H.R. 2964, CAPTIVE PRIMATE SAFETY ACT; AND H.R. 5534, BEAR PROTECTION ACT OF 2008. LEGISLATIVE HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON FISHERIES, WILDLIFE AND OCEANS OF THE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION Tuesday, March 11, 2008 Serial No. 110-63 Printed for the use of the Committee on Natural Resources ( Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/congress/index.html or Committee address: http://resourcescommittee.house.gov U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 41-235 PDF WASHINGTON : 2008 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate Aug 31 2005 09:41 Nov 19, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 5011 Sfmt 5011 L:\DOCS\41235.TXT Hresour1 PsN: KATHY COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES NICK J. RAHALL, II, West Virginia, Chairman DON YOUNG, Alaska, Ranking Republican Member Dale E. Kildee, Michigan Jim Saxton, New Jersey Eni F.H. Faleomavaega, American Samoa Elton Gallegly, California Neil Abercrombie, Hawaii John J. Duncan, Jr., Tennessee Solomon P. Ortiz, Texas Wayne T. Gilchrest, Maryland Frank Pallone, Jr., New Jersey Chris Cannon, Utah Donna M. Christensen, Virgin Islands Thomas G. Tancredo, Colorado Grace F. Napolitano, California Jeff Flake, Arizona Rush D. Holt, New Jersey Stevan Pearce, New Mexico Rau´ l M. Grijalva, Arizona Henry E. Brown, Jr., South Carolina Madeleine Z. Bordallo, Guam Luis G. Fortun˜ o, Puerto Rico Jim Costa, California Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Washington Dan Boren, Oklahoma Louie Gohmert, Texas John P. Sarbanes, Maryland Tom Cole, Oklahoma George Miller, California Rob Bishop, Utah Edward J. Markey, Massachusetts Bill Shuster, Pennsylvania Peter A. DeFazio, Oregon Bill Sali, Idaho Maurice D. Hinchey, New York Doug Lamborn, Colorado Patrick J. Kennedy, Rhode Island Mary Fallin, Oklahoma Ron Kind, Wisconsin Adrian Smith, Nebraska Lois Capps, California Robert J. Wittman, Virginia Jay Inslee, Washington Mark Udall, Colorado Joe Baca, California Hilda L. Solis, California Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, South Dakota Heath Shuler, North Carolina James H. Zoia, Chief of Staff Rick Healy, Chief Counsel Christopher N. Fluhr, Republican Staff Director Lisa Pittman, Republican Chief Counsel SUBCOMMITTEE ON FISHERIES, WILDLIFE AND OCEANS MADELEINE Z. BORDALLO, Guam, Chairwoman HENRY E. BROWN, JR., South Carolina, Ranking Republican Member Dale E. Kildee, Michigan Jim Saxton, New Jersey Eni F.H. Faleomavaega, American Samoa Wayne T. Gilchrest, Maryland Neil Abercrombie, Hawaii Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Washington Solomon P. Ortiz, Texas Tom Cole, Oklahoma Frank Pallone, Jr., New Jersey Bill Sali, Idaho Patrick J. Kennedy, Rhode Island Robert J. Wittman, Virginia Ron Kind, Wisconsin Don Young, Alaska, ex officio Lois Capps, California Nick J. Rahall, II, West Virginia, ex officio (II) VerDate Aug 31 2005 09:41 Nov 19, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 L:\DOCS\41235.TXT Hresour1 PsN: KATHY CONTENTS Page Hearing held on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 ............................................................ 1 Statement of Members: Bordallo, Hon. Madeleine Z., a Delegate in Congress from Guam ............... 1 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 2 Brown, Hon. Henry E., Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of South Carolina .......................................................................................... 2 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 4 Statement of Witnesses: Evans, Sian, Ph.D., Director, DuMond Conservancy ..................................... 12 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 13 Response to questions submitted for the record ..................................... 15 Golab, Gail, Ph.D., Director, Animal Welfare Division, American Veterinary Medical Association ................................................................... 6 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 8 Goodall, Jane, Ph.D., DBE, Founder, The Jane Goodall Institute, UN Messenger of Peace ....................................................................................... 32 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 34 Response to questions submitted for the record ..................................... 35 Hogan, Matt, Executive Director, Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies ......................................................................................................... 25 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 26 Response to questions submitted for the record ..................................... 28 Pacelle, Wayne, President and CEO, Humane Society of the United States ............................................................................................................. 50 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 52 Response to questions submitted for the record ..................................... 62 Perez, Benito A., Chief, Law Enforcement, Fish and Wildlife Service, U.S. Department of the Interior .................................................................. 47 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 48 Ross, Steve, Supervisor of Behavioral and Cognitive Research, and Chair, AZA Chimpanzee Species Survival Plan, Lincoln Park Zoo ...................... 63 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 64 Response to questions submitted for the record ..................................... 67 Schoenke, Ray, President, American Hunters and Shooters Association .... 22 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 23 Wissinger, Lewis ‘‘Skip,’’ Criminal Investigator (Retired), Shenandoah National Park ................................................................................................ 18 Prepared statement of ............................................................................... 20 Additional materials supplied: Archery Trade Association, Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, Bear Trust International, et al., Letter submitted for the record ............ 73 Garshelis, Dr. David L., Co-Chair IUCN/SSC Bear Specialist Group, Bear Project Leader, Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, Adjunct Professor, University of Minnesota, Statement submitted for the record 76 (III) VerDate Aug 31 2005 09:41 Nov 19, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 L:\DOCS\41235.TXT Hresour1 PsN: KATHY VerDate Aug 31 2005 09:41 Nov 19, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 L:\DOCS\41235.TXT Hresour1 PsN: KATHY LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON H.R. 2964, CAPTIVE PRIMATE SAFETY ACT; AND H.R. 5534, BEAR PROTECTION ACT OF 2008. Tuesday, March 11, 2008 U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on Fisheries, Wildlife and Oceans Committee on Natural Resources Washington, D.C. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:05 a.m. in Room 1324, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Madeleine Bordallo [Chairwoman of the Subcommittee] presiding. Present: Representatives Bordallo, Brown, Capps, and Young. Also present: Representatives Grijalva and Wittman. STATEMENT OF THE HON. MADELEINE BORDALLO, A DELEGATE IN CONGRESS FROM THE TERRITORY OF GUAM Ms. BORDALLO. Good morning. The legislative hearing by the Subcommittee on Fisheries, Wildlife and Oceans will come to order. The Subcommittee is meeting today to hear testimony on two bills that amend the Lacey Act amendments of 1981: H.R. 2964, the Captive Primate Safety Act and H.R. 5534, the Bear Protection Act of 2008. Pursuant to Committee Rule 4[g], the Chairman and the Rank- ing Minority Member will make opening statements. The Subcommittee on Fisheries, Wildlife and Oceans meets this morning to hear testimony regarding two bills to amend the Lacey Act amendments of 1981: to provide protections for nonhuman pri- mates and bears. The first is H.R. 2964, which would prohibit the interstate trade of nonhuman primates. While infant primates often seem endear- ing and adorable, they do grow up to become stronger and more ag- gressive. During the last decade there were 100 incidents reported of human injury by these animals, about 30 of which involved chil- dren. Additionally, nonhuman primates are vectors for diseases, in- cluding herpes-B, tuberculosis, and the Ebola virus. The purpose of the bill is to limit the interstate movement of these animals to diminish chances of injury and disease spread, thereby protecting human health and safety. Second, I commend my colleague, Congressman Rau´ l Grijalva, for introducing H.R. 5534, which would prohibit the import, export, (1) VerDate Aug 31 2005 09:41 Nov 19, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6633 L:\DOCS\41235.TXT Hresour1 PsN: KATHY 2 and interstate trade in bear viscera, particularly the gall bladder and the bile, which are coveted in traditional Asian medicines. Specifically, the Bear Protection Act would amend the Lacey Act amendments of 1981 to extend its protection to bears illegally har-