ANSTEORRAN COLLEGE OF [Device] Missing comma after field tincture in HERALDS blazon. Lovely arms! Collated Commentary on ILoI 0311 Gawain [Device] The chief, having only one edge, is Unto the Ansteorran College of Heralds does Estrill indented, not dancetty. I’d have drawn the Swet, Retiarius Pursuivant, make greetings. dogs and flowers a bit larger, but this should be For information on commentary submission formats or OK. to receive a copy of the collated commentary, you can contact me at: Da’ud Deborah Sweet [Device] There is nothing markedly either “Irish” 824 E 8th, Stillwater, OK 74074 or “hound”-like about these wolves. 405/624-9344 (before 10pm) “Dancetty: Applies only to a two-sided ordinary [email protected] (such as a pale or fess) which zig-zags or “dances” across the field. Indeed, a fess dancetty may be blazoned simply as a dance. Commenters for this issue: Modern non-SCA heraldic treatises define dancetty as a larger version of indented, but Knute period blazons do not make this distinction.” (Glossary of Terms) The chief here is indented. Aryanhwy merch Catmael – Herald-at-Large, Northshield, Midrealm Seawinds [Device] Vert, three irish wolfounds passant, on a Gawain of Miskbridge - Green Anchor Herald chief dancetty Or three cinquefoils vert. Da’ud ibn Auda - al-Jamal Herald Magnus [Device] The chief should be blazoned as Seawinds Heraldry Guild - Jayme Dominguez del indented. Valle, Pursuivant Extraordinary; Fearghus Cochrane, Deputy Pursuivant; Marguerite du College Action Bois; Caitriona inghean Mhic Lochlainn; Moira Device: Cochrane. Conflict Checking done via the Online Ordinary. Magnus von Lübeck – Orle Herald 2. Fáelán mac Cathail (Northkeep) Name registered via Caid August 2001. New Badge. Plain English description: Fieldless, black heart, white cresent moon. Collated Commentary on IloI 0311 Knute [Badge] (Fieldless), On a heart sable a crescent 1. Brigid MacCana (Northkeep) argent. This is clearly drawn as a crescent, not Name registered via Ansteorra January 1996. a moon. New Device. Vert three Irish wolfhounds [Returning {Fieldless} On a heart argent a passant and on a chief dancetty Or three seadragon rampant gules.] Conflict with ... cinquefoils vert. Argent, a wyvern passant gules. There is only one CD for the posture of the monster. Several Knute commenters submitted evidence that heart [Device] Blazon fu: Vert three Irish wolfhounds shapes were used as a medium, albeit only passant and on a chief indented Or three occasionally, for heraldic display in period. cinquefoils vert. See, e.g., Ottfried Neubecker, Heraldry, The chief should be a bit narrower and the dogs Sources, Symbols and Meaning, page 76. should be larger. Clear. [12b/93, p.12] Precedents – Da’ud 2.1, under Heart Aryanhwy Considered as Sable, a crescent argent: Adrienne of Toledo - May of 1973: Sable, in pale [Badge] Blazon as (Fieldless) On a heart sable, a a cinquefoil, a crescent, and a dagger inverted, crescent argent. all argent. Single CD for adding the cinquefoil and dagger. College Action: Cadwynn ap Cheshire - March of 1975: Sable, Badge: within a crescent argent, a crescent embattled gules. Single CD for tertiary charge. Morimoto Koryu - June of 1976: Sable, a crescent surmounted by a ken blade argent. Single CD 3. Order of the Lion’s Paw of Kenmare. for overall charge. Seanach an tSeanachaidhe - December of 1999 (Northkeep, Barony of) (via Caid): Sable, two stags attires Or issuant New Order/Award. from between the horns of a crescent argent. Single CD for attires. Aryanhwy Sean Macarailt of Sandyhume - January of 1973: [Name] This should have been listed under the Sable, an increscent argent. Single CD for Barony's name, not the order name. orientation. Return for multiple conflicts. Magnus [Order] Speed’s Atlas page 282 header Munster Aryanhwy dates Kan Mary to 1611. The atlas was [Device] This is effectively Sable, a crescent compiled during Elizabeth’s reign and dates to argent, per precedent: period. Speed, John, The Counties of Britain “While blazoned on the LoI as (Fieldless) On a (New York: Thames and Hudson, 1989) heart gules, a hare salient contourny argent, The name can also be a constructed place-name. since a heart is considered standard shape for Ekwall page 271 header Kenn gives it as a armorial display, the submission is considered river name Kenne from 1200. It was used to as Gules, a hare salient contourny argent. As form place-names such as Keneford from 1300 such it conflicts with .... (Barony of Skraeling meaning ford on the river Kenn. Page 272 Althing, 5/98 p. 26)” header Kentmere gives this as a mere formed As such, this conflicts with: by the river Kent as Kentemere in 1274. Also Morimoto Koryu (reg. 06/76) Sable, a crescent page 271 header Kendal gives Kendal from surmounted by a ken blade argent. With a CD 1190 as the valley of river Kent. The rest of the for removing the overall charge. order is correctly documented. Adrienne of Toledo (reg. 05/73) Sable, in pale a cinquefoil, a crescent, and a dagger inverted, College Action all argent. With a CD for removing two of the Name: charges in the primary charge group. Cadwynn ap Cheshire (reg. 03/75) Sable, within a crescent argent, a crescent embattled gules. With a CD for removing the tertiary. Morgaine Aelfdryda ferch Cadfael (reg. 12/90 via 4. Tadc Ioseph [of] Sciath. (Northkeep) the Middle) Or, on a pile inverted vert a New Name. crescent argent. Since this can be reblazoned as “Per chevron throughout Or and vert, a Aryanhwy crescent argent,” there is one CD for the field. [Name] Is he submitting <Tadc Ioseph of Sciath> or <Tadc Ioseph Sciath>? If the submitter’s Da’ud don’t provide a summary, shouldn’t whoever [Badge] Blazon fu: [Fieldless] On a heart sable a puts the LoI together give a summary, so that crescent argent. commenters can comment? OCM s.n. Tadc say that “this name was relatively common in Seawinds the early period and became extremely popular [Badge] “(Fieldless) On a heart sable, a crescent later.” The later spelling is <Tadhg>. S.n. argent”. Conflict - Clear Ioseph they say “this is a borrowing of the biblical name <Joseph> used exclusively by Magnus clerics in pre-Norman Ireland.” My copy of Johnston is from 1892 and has only 256 pages, and no entry for <Sciath>, so I cannot comment on that element. However, College Action regardless of this, the name has a fatal Name: problem: “...in the name Aislinn Fiona of Rumm, Fiona can only be interpreted as a second given name or as an unmarked matronymic. Use of double given names and unmarked 5. Zubeydah the Wanderer. (North- matronymics in Gaelic have both been cause keep) for return in the past. [Aislinn Fiona of New Name. New Device. Azure, an ewer Rumm, 08/01, R-An Tir].” bendwise within an orle argent. The same is true of unmarked patronyms and double given names for men. Since he will not Knute accept changes, one of the names cannot be [Device] Clear. dropped in order to make this registerable. Aryanhwy Gawain [Name] Arabic/English names are a weirdness, [Name] What is intended by the brackets around per the 02/02 LoAR. <the Wanderer> is SCA- “of”? Gaelic names don’t seem to include either acceptable: double givens or unmarked patronymics, so “No evidence has been found that the the two given names are a problem. I’d bynames the Wanderer or the Traveler were advocate losing the second one, since the text used in English in period. However, they are in O’C&M suggests that it was used only by both SCA compatible. Though the correct clerics. The client seems to be going for a modern spelling is Traveler, the spelling that Scottish Gaelic name, judging by the has been registered most often is Traveller. toponymic, so the English preposition definitely Therefore, this byname is registerable in both the spelling the Traveler and the doesn’t belong. Traveller. [Mihrimah the Traveler, 10/01, R- Ansteorra] [Ed.: returned for two Seawinds weirdnesses]” [Name] Sciath: we do not have the book for “The byname the Wanderer is SCA reference. However, if it is Scots, it presents a compatible. This name has one weirdness Gaelic – Scots weirdness. Possible suggested for use of an SCA-compatible name phrase. Gaelic Spelling – Sgathaich. [Joel the Wanderer, 12/01, A-Artemisia]” Magnus Like Mihrimah, this name now has two [Name] The cited source, Irish Names, gives weirdnesses, and must be returned. Tadc as the pre-1200 spelling of the given name. Ioseph was a clerical given name in pre- Gawain 1200 era from the source cited. I couldn’t find [Name] There are a lot of languages and cultures Sciath in Johnston without the header. The in the Middle East. Based on the citation for the page numbers change with each edition. What given name, she seems to mean Arabic. If she are we to make of the indecisive [of] in a name really wants authenticity in language, we need that allows no changes? to find out if there is a reasonable Arabic To begin with the last name is undocumented. It equivalent of “the Wanderer”. Of course, it may mixes Old Irish with English giving a possible well have the same unsavory connotations that two weirdness for mixed language and time the epithet has in period European cultures, difference. If we include the “of” in the name but Toyota. we have an unmarked patronymic. If we drop the “of” then we have a double given name in Da’ud Gaelic. Either way this gets returned. [Name] The more usual transliteration of the “As neither double given names nor unmarked given name is Zubaydah, with Zubeidah as an patronymics were used in Gaelic in period, alternative, but the submitted spelling should Muirgen is not registerable on its own in this not be problematic.