Dharma Combat Zen Master Wu Kwang Zen Master Wu Bong (Richard Shrobe) (Jacob Perl) Question: You now become Buddha but, Zen Master Seung Sahn says, "In the end of the world, not so many Question: The Heart Sutra says form is emptiness, people believe Buddha's speech." So, if nobody listens emptiness is form. Then why do you practice so hard, to you, what can you do? Providence Zen Center style? Zen Master Wu Kwang: You already understand. Zen Master Wu Bong: For you. Q: So I ask you. Q: I don't understand. ZMWK: Soon, lunch is coming. Don't worry... Your ZMWB:Not enough? stomach is already full? Q: So please teach me. Q: I'm not asking about stomach... ZMWB: Go drink some tea. ZMWK: Not enough? Q: Thank you for your teaching. Q: Not enough. ZMWB: You're welcome. ZMWK: Did you get enough sleep last night? Q: Yes, thank you. Thank you for your teaching. Q: Our teachers said that all Buddhas are the true masters in front of your nose. So already all true masters Q: So, our teaching appears to be to take away this appeared without any ceremony. What are you doing up opposites world and attain this don't know world. So there? what is taking away this opposites world and attaining ZMWB: You already understand. don't know world? Q: I ask you. ZMWK: You already understand. ZMWB: Sitting here talking with you. Q: I'm asking you. Q: Thank you very much. ZMWK: Your face is brown. My face is red. ZMWB: You're very welcome. Q: Two thousand five hundred years ago, Buddha got Q: I'm so happy that you wUI soon become a Zen enlightenment and decided to leave his family to meditate Master—I'm so nervous, for you... I would like to know, and to teach. You have a family and from what I know, who are you? a happy family. So it doesn't look like you're leaving. ZMWB: You already know that. Two different ways, which one is correct? Q: Maybe... how about you? ZMWK: You already understand. ZMWB: My name is Jacob Perl... Q: I ask you. Q: I didn't ask about your name! ZMWK: When this ceremony is over, my family and ZMWB: That's not enough? I will get in my car and return to New York. Q: Uh, mmmmmmh. Q: Have a safe trip. ZMWB: Dog is chasing a bone... ZMWK: Thank you. Q: Okay. ZMWB: Okay. Q: Two old friends. I have diis dilemma: there are two of you and I only have one question. I'll have to just try. Q: I have a question. Many years ago, Minister Lee, So, I'm sitting back there looking at my two friends for in China, visited Lin-chi Zen Master and he asked him, the last ten years and thinking, "Hmm. Richard has hair "What are these monks doinghere? This is not common." and a beard and a little nose. Jacob has no hair, no beard And Lin-chi said, "They are meditating, they are becom­ and a big nose." And I'm thinking, which one is the ing Buddha." So, he said Uiat sometimes golden sand in correct Zen Master? Can you help me? die eyes makes seeing difficult. What does this mean? ZMWK: Yeah, you already understand. ZMWB: Ouch... (covering his eyes) Q: No, I'm very confused. Q: Mm hmm, thank you. ZMWK: It's wonderful to see you again, old friend. ZMWB: You're welcome. # Q: Oh, same here. It's wonderful to see you, too. # PRIMARY POINT Spring 1994 9 .