Lethargy, Compromising With Bhoots-Surbiton Ashram Date : 5th November 1983 Place : London Type : Seminar & Meeting Speech : English Language CONTENTS I Transcript English 02 - 14 Hindi - Marathi - II Translation English - Hindi - Marathi - ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT ENGLISH TALK I've had a very hectic, strenuous journey through America and it was much beyond my expectation, it worked out very well and I am very happy about it. All the Americans are very thankful, the Sahaja Yogis of England and other countries who have contributed to this tour and specially to people who traveled across and went round and have them to organize. So they have been extremely grateful I tell you, but for you people it would not have been possible. It was a very strenuous journey no doubt, and strenuous tour and everything was bit too much after the tour of Europe. But the way people went from here and have them and you sent money, there was much less strain on them and they could manage it very well and as you know we have done very well as far as our sowing the seed of Sahaja Yoga is concerned. So the seed of Sahaja Yoga I think is now sown and it may take a big flight. I am sure because Americans have I know they are very, people who are uprooted type and quite shallow people and one can say that also that they go on changing their gurus every third day and their cars every fourth day and their wives fifth day. When they have changed so many of them that it is easier to bring them round and talk to them about reality. That is the greatest part of it and the most of them have been to some guru or someone [Mother speaks Indian language and then says to one mother in English - I think better give him because this doesn't sound] and the result of all that is that they have reached conclusions that if reality has to come, it should come in the way Sahaja Yoga is. So it's not such a difficult thing to talk to them about Sahaja Yoga. But the best part of it they have been to all gurus who have given them a good licking, real good licking, they have lost all their money, they have been trained so much, they had to do all kinds of things, and they had to starve themselves and no food and sometimes they had to run for miles together, do all kinds of acrobatics and all kinds of things they have done and as a result to them Sahaja Yoga is very precious. This is a difference I think with others and Americans is, because you have not known those severe types of gurus that they have had who just torture their lives all the time saying that you have to do these things just to get rid of your sins and this has to be done, because of your sins, you are like this. And the main thing was I discovered there that the philosophers or the writers who wrote about the unconscious also had made a very big mistake and they said that if you have to go to the unconscious you have to pass through sub- conscious. And when I saw this diagram I was surprised. You have done the diagram with the unconscious and the unconscious becoming conscious and on top of that, was the sub-conscious and then the conscious mind and then the ego. So it was such a mixed bag. So I told them that God is the greatest planner and He has kept the central path for you absolutely open which is Sushumna path and the sub-conscious is on the left and the supra-conscious is on the right side. So you don't have to pass through all these things, even in an airport supposing you have to pass through the luggage to go to the aeroplane what will happen? And when human beings can understand that what about God? He has to be a greater organizer, a greater thinker than we are and He could not have thought of such a mix bag for us that when we have to ascend we have to go through our sub-conscious and then go to the unconscious. So the whole thing is they had no picture, it was all a mental projection and that's how they made all the mistakes there and when they published these things, perhaps the gurus who are agurus must have taken a clue and that's how they started talking that you have to go to your unconscious. And that's how the whole thing has been worked out that people thought that we have to go to the unconscious through the subconscious. And when this happened they said that if you have to go to the subconscious you must bear up everything, you must get possessed, you must get bhootish, you must take drugs, you must do all those things that the mad people are doing. In addition to that they use 2 Original Transcript : English Bible for that purpose, because in the Bible it is said that when the Holy Ghost came they all started behaving like mad people. This was Mr. Paul's mischief. And that's how they justified it that we all have to get mad to become spiritual. So this kind of a stupid idea was taken over and was exploited by the real thugs of India. Then it is now taken over by the thugs of Americans also. So the Americans are also forming some groups there, they have also become gurus and they are also teaching people that you have to become mad before becoming realized soul. It's such a thing that they never understood that there has to be some sort of a way made by God Himself for our ascent. Why will He make it so difficult, He has never made even a sprouting of the seed difficult, why will He make our evolution so difficult? And that's why these poor things, you see, half of them are mad. Really mad people, when they came to Sahaja Yoga, they had blisters all over their hands. All blisters on the left hand side, you could see all their hands were burning. Shaking all the time before Me, it was terrible I mean, I had to go on combating their bhoots and I really got tired with them, absolutely tired, every place I went there were people who had lots of these possessions in them. But the beauty about them which one should learn from them is that once they realized that this is the way it is the truth, they are working very hard. Extremely hard and they are very disciplined people, they get up in the morning, have their baths, sit down for meditations, they work it out. They are not like us, you see we are all very happy, you see, floating in the air, "Mother is looking after us, it's all right, we can get up at nine O' clock and then it's all right, we say namaskar to Mother, write a nice poetry about her", finished. They are not like that; they are working it out because what they said was very remarkable thing, what they said that Mother, we have gone to hell actually. And we have to really jet out, very fast, if you have to get out of it otherwise we will never be there, which is a fact. And this is what one has to understand that if you have to have any rapport with your Spirit you have to really work very hard. Now our, so far our Sahaja Yoga in the west, so far, I would say, not further because today is new year's day we have to take certain vows on a new year's day, isn't it?. So, so far has been a easy chair as you call it politician. And another thing I discovered very funny there which now I understand why people are like this in this country, also everywhere which, you see , you understand it better when you are little away from that place. So another thing I discovered was that this [UNCLEAR] called of Christian ethics you can say. [Mother speaks aside to a Sahaja Yogi: I hope you have not talked about, have you? All right.] Now the Christian ethics they told me was really explained many things why you behave like this. Like, one lady told Me a story that there was a fellow who had a store of his own and he used very good locks, you see, to secure it. So the people protested saying that why did you lock your things so well, you should have given a chance for a burglar, you see, after all you could ensure yourself, why did you take away the chance of a burglar. That kind of a Christian ethics works in our minds, you see. So what we do, we always sympathize with a bhoot all the time. You see."Oh! She is, Mother, so badly, Oh, she is like this". "arey baba [Hindi word] she is a bhoot! Didn't Modi tell you the same of Ramadasa? That [aside to the yogis: Did you surrender to Me? [Conversation of Mother with some Yogi [NOT CLEAR]. So Modi said this, there which is Ramdas Swamy has said it. Pishacha means a bhoot of a style, you see which sticks on to people, is pishach.