187 Question of Privileg [RAJYA SABHA] Shri K.K. Tewari, 188 arising out of a derogatory to the dignity statement by of the Hon. Chairman (ii) SO. No. 319(E), dated the 11th SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: Madam, this April, 1990, publishing the is about the privilege of the House which has Income-tax (Ninth Amendment) been affected. Rules, 1990. SHRI P.K. KUNJACHEN (Kerala): (iii) S.O. No. 325(E), dated the 12th Madam, I want to raise a very important April, 1990, publishing the issue. (Interruptions) Income-tax (Tenth Amendment) SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: 1 want to Rules, 1990. speak about the privilege of the House which (iv) S.O. No. 354(E), dated the has| been violated... (Interruptions) 26th April, 1990, publishing the SHRI DIPEN GHOSH (West Bengal): It is Income-tax (Eleventh affecting the privilege of the House. Amendment, Rules), 1990. (Interruptions) [Placed in library. See No. LT-1015/90 for (i) to (iv)}. SHRI VASHWANT SINHA: Madam, it is the privilege of the whole House, the [The Deputy Chairman in the Chair] privilege of the Chairman of this House. SHRI M.M. JACOB (Kerala): There is no THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Just a Parliamentary Affairs Minister. Unless there minute. \ agree with the Members. Just now is an authorisation by the Chair, he can't lay the Secretariat gave it to me. Before me there it. are three privilege motions which have come. THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The I believe the Chairman said when he was in Parliamentary Affairs Minister has to run the Chair that the privilege motions will be between Lok Sabha and the Rajya Sabha. considered and examined and then he will see what he should de about it. Whatever decision SHRI M.M. JACOB: Madam, my point is the Chairman takes, we will proceed with it. unless it is authorised by you, he cannot lay But without the Chairman's consent I cannot it. It is an insult to the House. say anything about it. SHRI SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY (Uttar SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER: Madam, may I Pradesh): Madam, I am on a point of order. I make a submission? (Interruptions) met the Chairman this morning in his chamber and brought to his notice a very SHRI DIPEN GHOSH: Madam, it is a serious matter about the Flame Minister's question of the privilege of the Rajya Sabha. Office hushing up a man-slaughter which as (Interruptions) It is a question where the very appeared in the Blitz. I would like the Rajya Sabha has been publicly castigated. Government to make a statement on this (Interruptions) issue. SHRI KAMAL MORARKA (Rajasthan): Madam, it is a very serious matter. That has never come up in the House. QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE ARISING It is unprecedented. (Interruptions) OUT OF A STATEMENT ISSUED BY SHRI K.K. TEWARY DEROGATORY SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: It is TO THE DIGNITY OF THE unprecedented. (Interruptions) No rules in CHAIRMAN, RAJYA SABHA — Contd. the House govern this unprecedented matter. (Interruptions) SHRI YASHWANT SINHA (Bihar): Madam, we have given a privilege notice and SHRI KAMAL MORARKA: If any Tom, I would like to say a few words on that. pick and Harry says anything against our (Interruptions) Chairman, should we tolerate it?. .(Interruptions).. THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER): Madam, may I SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: He must just make one submission? (Interruptions) 189 Question of Prtotiege [24 MAY 1990] Shri K.K. Tewari, 190 arising out of a derogatory to the dignity statement by of the Hon. Chairman BE brought to this House in handcuffs now. SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER: You ..(Interruptions)... Wherever he is, he must be don't want us to say anything. You must brought to this? House under arrest, he must allow me to speak. ...(Interruptions)... Let me come to this House . .{Interruptions) ■.. say something. SHRI V. GOPALSAMY (Tamil Nadu): SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: He must be Madam, I have already moved a privilege brought to the bar of the House. motion. SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER. You must give SHRI DIPEN GHOSH: I want to move a me a chance to speak, then, I have no motion. objection to what you are saying. You must listen to our view also. ... (Interruptions)... SHRI YASHWANT SINHA Bring him to the floor of the House SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: You bring disgrace to the Indian democracy. SHRI DIPEN GHOSH: The privilege of the House is involved. ... (Interruptions)... SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER: If you do not SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER: Madam, I may want the House. ...(Interruptions)... That is a be allowed to make a submission on our different issue. stand. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: He is a THE DEPUTY CHAIRMA: I can allow disgrace to the Indian democracy. ...(Interruptions).. If you do not know bow to provided everybody listens to me. deal with turn, we know how to deal with SHRI V. GOPALSAMY: I haw already him. given a privilege notice. My notice is the first notice. ... (Interruptions)... SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER: Mr. Sinha. without listening, you are going on saying. SHRI DIPEN GHOSH: He has publicly ...(Interruptions)... You do not want to listen castigated the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha. to our views. ...(Interruptions)... SHRI N.K.P. SALVE (Maharashtra): Mr. SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: It is now a Sinha, you continue with • your demand but question of breach of privilege of the listen to him also. ... (Interruptions)... Chairman of this House. Therefore, I demand SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER: Our party that he must be arrested and brought to this stand is ...(Interruptions)... House right away. ...(Interruptions)... Mr. K.K. Tewary must be brought to this House SHRI DIPEN GHOSH: Mr. Tewary has right now. castigated the Chairman of the Rajya Sabha. He must be summoned to the House to SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER. I may be express an apology. allowed to make a submission on the stand of our party. ...(Interruptions)... THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I think, Mr. Shiv Shanker wants to say about the stand of his party. SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: Mr, K.K. Tewary must be brought to the bar of the House now. SHRI DIPEN GHOSH: It is the privilege SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER. For once, there of the House. It is the prestige of the House. seems to be a change. The ruling party is The member must be arrested straightway. misbehaving. ...(Interruptions)... SOME HON. MEMBERS: Bring him 191 Question of Privilege [RAJYA SABHA] Shri K.K. Tewari, 192 arising out of a derogatoty to the dignity statement by of the Hon. Chairman THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Will the hon. not allowing! me to speak. Members. ...{Interruptions)... Please, have SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: Please hear peace. Now, as the Chairman did not allow the You respond after hearing me. further discussion, you said you are going to SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER: I am not raise it after 13 o'clock. For 10 or 11 minutes I stopping you. But you do not allow me. could hear the_ sentiments and the agony of SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: I will allow Members. And Mr. Shiv Shanker also wanted you to speak if you allow me to speak. to say something. ...{Interruptions)... Madam Deputy Chairman, many of us here DR. YELAMANCHILI SIVAJI (Andhra have raised a very important matter Pradesh): Our notice is there. concerning the privilege of this House, the SHRI V. GOPALSAMY: We raised it. privilege and the honour of the Presiding Officer of the House, the Chairman of the THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: My second House, no less a person than the very sentence is something. ...{Interruptions)... Chairman of this House who is the protector Hon. Members, you cannot read what is my of the dignity, decenty and decorum of this mind. Please let me complete my second House. He has bigen brought under question sentence. I have already three privilege by a most scurrilous statement which has motions over here. And Members are very appealed in newspapers today. Now, during unhappy about what happened. I really feel the Question Hour, we wanted to have the that it is a very serious matter as it is a Question Hour suspended and raise this question of the House. Mr. Dipen Ghosh was matter. My colleague Mr. Gopalsamy and all trying to tell me now that yesterday one lady of us were pressing for it. gut we conceded to Member was arrested and we really did not the wishes of the Chairman. But when he said work, no business was that we should go on with the Question Hour, transacted...{Interruptions)... Yes. I am happy we said, ''We shall go on with the Question she is there. We took very great exception to Hour, but we shall definitely raise it in the the police behaviour towards her and we Itouse after 12 o'clock." And he agreed to that really made the Government come forward to and we have a right to raise this matter here. I give a statement on the issue. will make one point, Madam Deputy ...{Interruptions)... Both the sides. I am Chairman, why I am raising it in this House. saying, the entire House, cutting across party .{Interruptions)... One moment. When the lines. It was a question of a Member. But privilege of a Member was involved, all of us today it is a very very serious matter. feel agitated, like we did yesterday. I am ...{Interruptions)... The entire House agrees. grateful to the whole House, which felt The entire House. ... {Interruptions)... agitated when I was arrested in Chandigarh. This time, it is much more serious as you SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: Madam, I yourself said, Madatn Deputy Chairman. will just make one point, if you give me one minute.