281 Budget (Tamil Nadu) [26 MAR. 1980] 1980-81—General 282 Discussion MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Tamil Nadu the Lok Sabha, be, taken into consideration." takes precedence. The questions were proposed. SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA; I know that Tamil Nadu is important SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA (West Bangal): May I seek one clarification? Does this MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: The Minister expenditure from the Consolidated Fund also has responded. That should be enough. include, their expenditure on the defections that are b^ing engineered in Tamil Nadu? SHRI BHUPESH GUPTA: We suggested that recognition should be announced during this session. SHRI R. VENKATARAMAN; I will answer it at the end. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN; Tamil Nadu, please. SHRI ERA SEZHIYAN (Tamil Nadu): Sir, the demands for supplementary grants for SHRI ( BHUPESH GUPTA: It is clearly 1979-80 and the demands for grants of the stated in the manifesto. Government of Tamil Nadu for 1980-81 are under consideration. Tamil Nadu has come MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please do not under the spell of President's rule for a second make a debate. time. In 1976 January, the DMK Ministry was dismissed unceremoniously and the Assembly was dissolved. Now, in 1980 February, the Ministry of the AI-ADMK has been dismissed I. THE BUDGET (TAMIL NADU) more unceremoniously. Sir, at least when the 1980-81—GENERAL DISCUSSION. Ministry of the DMK was dismissed in 1976, there, was a pretext of the Governor's report II. THE TAMIL NADU APPROPRIA wherein the reasons—however fallacious and TION (VOTE ON ACCOUNT) BILL, untrue these reports generally may be—have 1980. been given to the public, at least why that Ministry was dismissed. Now even that III. THE TAMIL NADU APPRO formality has been done away with. No PRIATION BILL, 1980. official report has come as to why the duly constituted Government of Tamil Nadu has THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI R. been VENKATARAMAN); Mr. Deputy chucked out. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move: (The Vice-Chairman (Shri Sawai-singh Sisodia) in the Chair] "That the Bill to provide for the withdrawal of certain sums from and out of No reasons have been given so far to the the Consolidated Fund of the State of outside world, not to speak of the Legislature Tamil Nadu for the services of a part .0f the or the people of Tamil Nadu. Even the outside financial year 1980-81. as passed by the world is at a loss to understand why that Lok Sabha, be taken into consideration." Government has been dispense^ with. Pre- sumably it has been done because of the Sir. I also move: results of the Lok Sabha elections. Because we are going to have a very detailed discussion, "That the Bill to authorise payment and I will not deal with that question at present. appropriation of certain further sums from and out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of Tamil Nadu for the services of the financial year 1979-80, as passed by 283 Budget {Tamil Nadu) [RAJYA SABHA] 1980-81—General 284 Discussion [Shri Era Sezhiyan] be allowed tc take out a procession. My hon. Stability at the Centre, which had been the friend says that there was violence. I was not slogan of the Congress (I) Party, does not there. Now others may say that there was no mean stability at ths Centre at the expense of violence on their part. But I will quote an the States. Stability at the Centre should not impartial source, a source which cannot be mean destabilization of the Governments of as accused of being overtly sympathetic or many as nine States. The least unexpected and friendly to the AI-ADMK or the Janata Party. the most unjustifiable of all these dissolutions I am quoting from a press report given by the has been the dissolution of the Tamil Nadu Times of India, which paper by no stretch of Assembly. imagination can be accused of being sympathetic to the AI-ADMK Party or the Sir, once the President's Rule has been Janata Party or unsympathetic to the Congress enforced there seems to be an over-enthusiasm (I) Party or any other party. There is a report on the part of the police to assert their might on the 13th March, 1980 under the heading with lathis and bayonets. Whether it is the "Coalition Politics in Tamil Nadu", ^he cor- peaceful march of the blind men in Delhi or respondent of the Times of India has written: the gathering of the lawyers inGwaiior or the protest march organised by the Opposition "The recent rally of the AIADMK and its parties in Madras the Government is eager to allies which ended in an orgy of violence put forth its best lathi to meet the protests and with pitched battles between the arguments. A procession against the processionists and the police on a long dissolution of the Tamil Nadu Assembly was stretch of Mount Roards is a pointer. The organised in Madras on March 2 by the AI- massive rally was more impressive than the ADMK, the Janata Party, the CPM, the CPI earlier procession taken out by the DMK and other parties. Fourteen parties were there. and the Congress (I) to Raj Bhavan. It It was very unfortunate that those participated symbolised a widely-held feeling that an in the procession were mercilessly attacked elected government with a popular majority and beaten by hoodlums . (which was not opposed to Mrs. Gandhi's SHRI V. GOPALASAMY (Tamil Nadu): regime) had been unjustly clubbed with Because they indulged in violence. hostile Janata und Lok Dal governments SHRI ERA SEZHIYAN: ... and by the and dismissed. Significantly the rally was policemen. My hon. friend says that there was organised to protest against the dismissal of violence. Because I was not there on that day, I nine State governments. concede that there had been violence. But who All the parties participating in the rally started violence?, Whether it was started by the have made serious allegations that the processionists or by the hoodlums and violence was triggered by agents policemen is the thing that should be settled. provocateur of the DMK and the My hon. friend belonging to the DMK Party Congress(I). There is enough evidence to may have one version; another person may show that missiles were thrown at the have another version. That is why we want procession at certain points and 'outside judicial inquiry—a judicial inquiry as to why elements' infiltrated the ranks of the there was violence on the protest march marchers. Many who saw the happenings on organised by the AI-ADMK and other that bloody Sunday thought the police had Opposition parties. Today it may be one gone beserk in attacking the marchers, Opposition party, tomorrow it may be another including women and children." Opposition party. Members of an Opposition party hr.ve the Fundamental Rights and the The paper has reported this. You may tight •f assembly and as such they should have got a different version. A 285 Budget (Tamil Nadu) [26 MAR. 1980] 1980-81—General 286 Discussion different version, I may have got. This version Now, Sir, coming to the financial position, is from a source which cannot be accused of it is not very rosy. bias on this side or that side. In 1976 January when that Govern-' ment was dismissed and the President's rule was SHRI V. GOPALASAMY: The broken | imposed, the Finance Minister here, Mr. C. glasses of the LIC building say the evidence. Subramaniam, was from Tamil Nadu. Now (Interruptions). They tried to attack the statue. also when the President's rule has been The marchers started the violence. They indulged imposed for the second time, the Finance in hooliganism and rowdism. Minister also happens to hail from Tamil Nadu. Sir. Tamil Nadu has contributed more THE VICE-CHAIRMAN: (SHRI than its share, a stilus of talented persons to SAWAISINGH SISODIA): Please do not occupy the Treasury Benches. especially the interruption. (Interruptions). office of the Finance Minister. Start-from Mr. R. K. S'hanmugh.rm Chetty, Mr. T. T. Krishnamachari, Mr. C. Subramaniam, to Mr. SHRI ERA SEZHIYAN: I do not want to Venkata-raman it has a long record. indulge into an argument witn him. I wanted only a judicial enquiry. The version may be wrong, SHRI KHURSHED ALAM KHAN (Delhi): this may be coloured, this may not represent fully You assure us that there will be contribution what has taken place. Why do you not conduct a in the future ulso. judicial enquiry to gc, into all the aspects and take evidence? The courts are there. The SHRI ERA SEZHIYAN: Yes, yes, that is procedure of judicial enquiry is there. I am correct. Though the contribution of Tamil asking neither more nor less. Whether this was an Nadu has been very much and very outcome of the hired hoodlums or the marchers significant, the return on the investment of themselves can be looked into by the judicial Tamil Nadu for orovid-ing the Finance enquiry. A request has ilready been made. I do Ministers, has been very low. not know why the Government has net come SHRI KHURSHED ALAM KHAN: Do not forward so I far to conduct a judicial enquiry. I ask for too much interest. am not here to plead the cause of the marchers if they have done something wrong. Let them be SHRI ERA SEZHIYAN: They have been taken to task as per the rules of the game. too much unbiased probably. In this one, Tecently, figures have been given of the percentage of people living below the poverty I will not go very much into its political line.