CANADA VOLUME 134 S NUMBER 048 S 2nd SESSION S 35th PARLIAMENT OFFICIAL REPORT (HANSARD) Thursday, May 16, 1996 Speaker: The Honourable Gilbert Parent CONTENTS (Table of Contents appears at back of this issue.) OFFICIAL REPORT In the right hand column at page 2814, second paragraph of the answer of the Minister of Industry, the second line should read ``of a provincial government if one were to choose to intervene in the,'' not ``federal''. The House of Commons Debates are also available on the Parliamentary Internet Parlementaire at the following address: http://www.parl.gc.ca 2851 HOUSE OF COMMONS Thursday, May 16, 1996 The House met at 10 a.m. offender facilities and programs, and meet with officials, and that the necessary staff do accompany the committee. _______________ Motion agreed to. Prayers * * * _______________ PETITIONS CORPORAL PUNISHMENT ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Mr. Stephen Harper (Calgary West, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, it is my duty to present a petition signed by 25 residents from different [English] ridings in the city of Calgary. GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO PETITIONS The petitioners note that section 43 of our Criminal Code allows Mr. Paul Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the schoolteachers, parents and those standing in the place of a parent Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, to use reasonable physical force for the correction of pupils or pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), I have the honour to table in both children under their care. The petitioners call upon Parliament to official languages the government’s response to four petitions end such legal approval of this harmful and discriminatory practice presented during the first session. by repealing section 43 of the Criminal Code. MERCHANT NAVY VETERANS * * * Mr. Ed Harper (Simcoe Centre, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, pursuant [Translation] to Standing Order 36, I have a petition to present on behalf of 75 INTERPARLIAMENTARY DELEGATIONS Canadians regarding the merchant navy veterans of World War II. The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger): Pursuant to Standing Order These petitioners are asking Parliament to consider extending 34(1), I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the the same benefits armed forces veterans receive to merchant navy report of the Canadian Parliamentary delegation to Chile, from veterans. April 8 to 11, 1996. HEALTH AND DENTAL BENEFITS * * * Mr. Dick Harris (Prince George—Bulkley Valley, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I am pleased to present a D (1010) petition signed by 25 Canadians in B.C. [English] The petitioners are concerned with the government’s consider- ation of taxing supplemental health care and dental care coverage. COMMITTEES OF THE HOUSE The petitioners call upon Parliament to refrain from implementing JUSTICE AND LEGAL AFFAIRS a tax on health and dental benefits and to put on hold any future consideration of such a tax until a complete review of the tax Mr. Paul Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the system and how it impacts on the health of Canadians has been Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, undertaken. there have been consultations between the parties on a travel [Translation] motion. I move: Pursuant to its mandate in relation to the comprehensive review of the Young MINORITY RIGHTS Offenders Act, phase II, and specifically, to observe how the youth justice system operates in practice, that six members of the Standing Committee on Mr. Réginald Bélair (Cochrane—Superior, Lib.): Mr. Speak- Justice and Legal Affairs, four from the Liberal Party, including the chair, one er, I am pleased to table a petition this morning on behalf of 45 from the Bloc Quebecois, and one from the Reform Party, be authorized to travel to Toronto, London and Windsor, Ontario from Sunday, June 2 to citizens of Mattice, who are greatly concerned about clause 17 and Thursday, June 6, 1996 in order to hold public hearings, visit sites, young the resolution the government will have to adopt in future. 2852 COMMONS DEBATES May 16, 1996 Routine Proceedings There are serious concerns that this would create a precedent from countries to the west. The Asian gypsy moth threatens its which would allow any provincial government to suppress the habitat far more than the European gypsy moth, being a more rights of a minority. aggressive feeder, feeding on a wider host range, and having females capable of flying before they deposit their prolific egg masses. It was multiple catches of the Asian gypsy moth on the * * * Vancouver waterfront that launched the intensive spray program in 1992. Asian and North American gypsy moths are capable of [English] cross-breeding, the result of which is a North American gypsy moth with females capable of flying. Prior to determining a treatment response, it is thus essential to determine whether the QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER gypsy moth is of the Asian, European, or hybrid genotype; this is done through genetic fingerprinting. Mr. Paul Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, The following shows the number of male gypsy moths trapped Question No. 28 will be answered today. before and after spraying during the last 10 years in the greater Vancouver regional district. [Text] Vancouver waterfront (includes areas of North Vancouver, West Question No. 28—Mr. Forseth: Vancouver, Burnaby): Regarding the spraying of gypsy moths by Agriculture Canada in the McBride/Sappleton area in New Westminster, British Columbia: (a) what is the —1988—1 male was trapped1; exact ingredient of the formulation Btk, (b) what were the gypsy moth counts 2 before and after spraying over the past 10 years in the general urban area, (c) —1989—6 male gypsy moths were trapped ; what specific notification procedures and what education programs have been —1990—10 male gypsy moths were trapped3; conducted over the past six months to constituents living in the affected area, —1991—33 male gypsy moths were trapped inside the spray and (d) what alternative forms of dealing with the gypsy moth are available and what is the cost-effectiveness ratio of each? zone (27 Asian gypsy moths introduced from Russian freighters in Vancouver Harbour)4; Hon. Ralph E. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri- —1992—area was treated with Btk for Asian gypsy moth; Food, Lib.): (a) Btk: Due to proprietary information exemptions in following treatment 2 male gypsy moths were trapped, one just the Access to Information Act, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada outside the treatment zone; (AAFC) cannot disclose the total contents of Foray 48B, the —1993—0 male gypsy moths were trapped; particular formula of Btk used for the eradication of gypsy moths. What we can say is that the active ingredient is a bacterial insect Burnaby disease, Bacillus thuringiensis Kurstaki—Btk. Small amounts of chemicals are used in the commercial fermentation process, and —1992—9 male gypsy moths were trapped (3 of these were the bacteria metabolize these into complex and simple sugars and outside the treatment zone); water in the final formulation. The final formulation has been —1993—area was treated with Btk; following treatment no male examined by Health Canada and Environment Canada and has been gypsy moths were trapped in treatment area; proven safe; it is even certified for use by organic growers. Richmond (b) Treatment Effectiveness: European gypsy moths (also knows as North American gypsy moths) have been accidentally moved to —1991—3 male gypsy moths were trapped (just outside what British Columbia on household effects numerous times in the last later became a treatment zone); 17 years from infested areas of eastern North America and —1992—61 male gypsy moths were trapped; elsewhere. Thirty-nine male moths wer caught in pheromone- —1993—area was treated with Btk; following treatment 2 male baited sticky traps in B.C. in 1994 and again in 1995; prior years gypsy moths were trapped outside the treatment block; moths trapped have numbered over 200 males. (The pheromone is —1994—0 male gypsy moths were trapped; a sexual lure used to attract male gypsy moths only.) When gypsy —1995—1 male gypsy moth was trapped5; moths are trapped at low density (one or two in a trap with no moths in surrounding traps), the figures do not necessarily indicate a sustainable population and therefore eradication is not necessary. —————————— 1 Singleton moth not requiring immediate treatment. However, the area surrounding such finds is always closely moni- tored for two subsequent years to determine whether the population 2 Singleton moths not requiring immediate treatment. is increasing or has failed to develop. 3 Singleton moths not requiring immediate treament. British Columbia is uniquely placed in that it has the pressure of 4 Information pertaining strictly to treatment zones was forwarded to MP’s introductions of North American gypsy moths by land and air from Ottawa office as a result of a request to Gypsy Moth Information Line. eastern North America and of Asian gypsy moths by sea and air 5 Singleton moth not requiring immediate treatment. May 16, 1996 COMMONS DEBATES 2853 Supply South Vancouver tion and Inspection Branch of AAFC has chosen to use an efficacious ground-spraying program of Btk to take into consider- —1991—1 male gypsy moth was trapped6; ation public discomfort with the aerial application of a pesticide. —1992—5 male gypsy moths were trapped (1 just outside what This year, the cost-effectiveness ratio of a ground application later became a treatment zone); compared with an aerial application of Btk is 8:1, though this —1993—20 male gypsy moths were trapped; varies with the size of the areas. —1994—area was treated with Btk; following treatment no male gypsy moths were trapped in treatment area; —————————— 6 Singleton moth not requiring immediate treatment.