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WELDING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTESCONFIRMED MINUTES OCTOBER 22-24, 2012 OMNI WILLIAM PENN HOTEL PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA USAThese minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.MONDAY, OCTOBER 22 to WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 241.0 OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED Call to Order / Quorum CheckThe Welding Task Group (WLD) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 22-Oct-12 by Ralph Kropp.It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)NAME COMPANY NAME * Robbie Adams Honeywell Osawonuyi Agbonkonkon Parker Hannifin Aerospace Valdemir Campos Embraer * Gary Coleman The Boeing Company * Bob Fletcher BAE Systems Military Air & Information Bill Fowler United Technologies Aerospace * Larry Hamanishi The Boeing Company * Milan Hanyk Honeywell Aerospace Tara Harris UTC Aerospace Systems * Les Hellemann GE Aviation Secretary * Michael Irvin The Boeing Company * Jerry Isoaho GKN Aerospace Aaron Jacobson United Technologies – Aerospace System * Keith Kastner Cessna Aircraft Company * Ralph Kropp MTU Aero Engines Chairman * Holger Krueger Airbus Peter Lang Pratt & Whitney * Donald Lenhart Spirit AeroSystems * Nick Magnapera BAE SYSTEMS E&I * Scott Maitland Goodrich Aerostructures Joel Mohnacky UTC Aerospace Systems * Lyle Morris Raytheon Company * Earl Pruett Lockheed Martin Sunder Rajan Raytheon Company * John Sanders Hamilton Sundstrand Paul Slater Rockwell Collins * Kenneth Sposato Triumph Aerostructures - Vought Division Tim Storm Parker Aerospace * Steve Tooley Rolls-Royce PLC Vice Chairman Andrew Toth Rolls-Royce Corp. 1 Stanley Trull Honeywell * Gary L. Winters Northrop Grumman Corporation Mike Zampini HoneywellOther Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)NAME COMPANY NAME James Ahlemeyer Ducommun Aerostructures New York Brian Bennett May Technologny & MFC Jeff Bernath RTI International Metals Michelle Davis-Lawson Byron Products Lorraine Floyd Flexial Corporation Richard Freeman TWI LTD Ergin Gungor TEI Darron Harris Exotic Metals Forming Company Hirohiko Hattori Mitsubishi Heavy Industries * Randy Hite PCC Structurals Inc. Raymond Hozempa Yankee Casting Co., Inc. * Christopher Kielb Advance Welding Craig Militello Westinghouse Electric Co. Laura Moyer Alcoa Howmet Dover Casting Jim Olejarczyk Alcoa Forged Products * David Osenar Pako Inc. Buddy Raderstorf KIHM Metal Technologies Tom Riley Rhinestahl Corporation Sheila Salyer May Technologny & MFC * Mike Schleckman Voss Industries Suzanne E. Smatko Wyman Gordon Pennsylvania Keith Smith Rhinestahl Corporation * Jackie Sternot Pako Inc. * Gigi Streeter Barnes Aerospace Anatole Sufler C.A. Spalding Emre Yavuz TEIPRI Staff Present James Borczyk Mike Gutridge Jesse Lehmier Stan Revers Ian SimpsonIntroductions were made and the roster circulated for completion by attendees.The Code of Ethics, the Antitrust policy, Export Control regulations, Code of Conduct, and Harassment & Discrimination policy were reviewed.The previous secretary, Craig Militello, has left Goodrich Aerospace, and will no longer be the Secretary to the WLD Task Group. Ralph Kropp asked members of the Task Group to consider this position and recommended that an alternate be also put in place. Les Hellemann volunteered to be the Secretary for this meeting.1.1 Approval of Previous Meeting MinutesMotion made by Keith Kastner and seconded by Steve Tooley to accept the June 2012 minutes as written. Motion passed.Twenty-Nine actions items from the June 2012 minutes were reviewed, 3 of these items remained open. Observation audit of an Auditor scheduled for week commencing 29th October 2012; WELDING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTES Subsequent actions to be taken after observation audit is completed; Update handbook for welder qualification which can only occur after the checklist have been issued. All other action items from prior meetings were closed or were agenda items at this meeting. New action items identified in the October 2012 meeting will be added to the Task Group Rolling Action Item List (RAIL), which will be updated on a monthly basis. (See item 25.0 for details)1.2 Review of AgendaThe agenda was reviewed. There were 4 new business items identified for inclusion. (See item 20.0)1.3 Staff Engineer CommuniqueThe Staff Engineer presented a Nadcap Communiqué to the Task Group.1.3.1 The next meeting, February 2013, will be held in Dallas, USA.1.3.2 Revisions to NOP-002, NOP-005, NOP-011, NIP 7-02 and NIP 7-04.1.3.3 Use of m-frm-01 to capture non-voting members wishing to be listed on the roster.1.3.4 Tony Warren is performing the Nadcap Management Council (NMC) Oversight audit of the WLD Task Group.1.3.5 Changes of support staff: Stacey McKinley to replace Melanie Petrucci.2.0 AUDITOR CONFERENCE – CLOSEDIan Simpson gave a review of the Auditor Conference content. This included new Auditor conference modules on Audit Skills and Non-Conformance Report (NCR) Writing; Subscriber specific presentations (Honeywell, GE Aviation, Rolls Royce, GKN Aerospace); Problem discussion of audit findings; Question and answer session.The Subscribers who attended the Auditor Conference assessed items that worked well and identified areas for improvement. The general consensus was that the Conference had achieved its objectives. Preliminary items for the 2013 Conference include: Continue company presentations with BAE Systems and Boeing volunteering; Welder Qualification; Gas control; Smart checklist; Question and Answer Review.A number of unresolved questions from the Auditors were reviewed.It had been noted that some Suppliers with Design responsibility may not be meeting the full expectations of the WLD Task Group. The Task Group noted that Suppliers in this situation must not have taken any exceptions to their AS9100 accreditation and as such it may be possible for Auditors to ask Suppliers how they meet AS9100.Further discussion ensued with respect to Suppliers being able to take exception with respect to the Special Process element of AS9100. Few cases had been noted, however the Task Group requested the Staff Engineer to pursue this item and ensure this item is being checked.ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to establish that the process established by PRI validates that Suppliers are not taking exceptions to the Quality System accreditations which need to be applicable to their business. (Due Date: 30-Nov-12)Specification flow down. A specific question on flow down of welder qualification specifications from Boeing was asked. At the Conference it was suggested that Boeing could provide further details in the Audit Handbook. 3 ACTION ITEM: Michael Irvin to provide details on specification flow down for inclusion in the Audit Handbook. (Due Date: 30-Nov-12)A request was made to revise the checklists to test for the element in AWS D17.1 that controls cross contamination by marking stainless steel brushes with the alloy type they can be used on. This was added to the rolling list of future checklist revision items.One Auditor had noted that there were occasional revisions in the grading (i.e. Major or Minor) of Non-Conformances. The Task Group stated that this occurs and is part of the Audit review process.Filler wire identification marking. It was confirmed that by referencing the specification that controls identification in the purchase order, then no specific identification requirement has to be stated as well.Resistance Welding Coupon evaluation. This was tabled for discussion in the open meeting, Item 23.0Filler wire control, specifically removal of oxidized tips. This was tabled for discussion in the open meeting, Item 23.0Hard face Welding Controls for welder qualification. This was tabled for discussion in the open meeting, Item 23.0Proposed handbook revision for AC7110/5 Para 5.1 to bring Handbook in-line with the checklist question. This was tabled for discussion in the open meeting, Item 23.0Edge distance of resistance weld coupons. It was noted that some Subscribers have standard test pieces that do not necessarily account for edge distance control. As such the Task Group cannot impose a specific edge distance control in the checklist.3.0 AUDITOR EFFECTIVENESS – CLOSED3.1 Review of Charts to Establish EffectivenessThe Staff Engineer presented the Nadcap Management Council (NMC) standard data set which is being implemented as part of the Auditor Consistency program. The majority of the charts that are being flowed down to the Task Groups are already in use by the WLD Task Group. The charts not previously seen by the WLD Task Group were the reports that show feedback results from the Staff Engineer and Supplier. These were reviewed along with the supporting data provided by the Staff Engineer. Only 2 isolated items were noted and no concerns were therefore expressed by the Task Group on these 2 new charts.The Staff Engineer presented the remaining charts on Auditor effectiveness which were familiar to the WLD Task Group. Several charts were reviewed which showed quantity of findings versus audit question by Auditor and average difference between each Auditor’s findings and the number of findings that the subsequent Auditor found.There is an outstanding item from the June 2012 Task Group meeting with respect to observing a specific Auditor. No further items from review of these charts were identified at this time.Although the Observation has not yet been made, Ian Simpson provided an update based on a discussion with the Auditor. After some discussion Ralph Kropp made the following motion.Motion made by Ralph Kropp to discontinue the use of the identified Auditor. The motion was not seconded. WELDING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTES 3.2 A sub-team of Scott Maitland, Michael Irvin, David Struckman and Ian Simpson was created at the June 2012 Task Group meeting to review an Auditor with high a number of NCRs versus two Auditors with low NCRs on the red-line chart. The team presented their conclusions to the Task Group. The main conclusion was that Auditors would benefit from further training in Welder Qualification and Gas Controls. During the subsequent discussion it was suggested that the best person to develop this training would be the Auditor who finds NCRs in these areas as he will be able to explain to his peers how he performs audits in these areas.ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to liaise with identified Auditor and establish if he is prepared to write training on Welder Qualification and Gas controls and then deliver this at the 2013 Auditor Conference. (Due Date: 30-Nov-12)Based on prior experience with this type of training material development it was suggested that the Task Group assign a Subscriber to the task of working with the Auditor to provide a link between the Auditor and the Task Group. Andy Toth volunteered for this.ACTION ITEM: Andy Toth to work with identified Auditor on development of 2013 Auditor Conference material and provide updates to the Task Group at future Task Group meetings. (Due Date: 21-Oct-13)3.3 Review of Auditor ObservationsTwo observation audits were reviewed. One of these had no issues; however one had an issue as described below.The Auditor had missed some non-conformances that the Observer had identified. The Staff Engineer was asked by the Task Group to review the results of the Observation with the Auditor. ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to discuss results of Observation Audit with identified Auditor. (Due Date: 30- Nov-12)The Subscribers were reminded of the procedural requirements of Observing Audits that are defined in NOP-007.At the June 2012 Task Group meeting some Task Group members stated that they had had some Observation audits declined and the Task Group believed this to be due to a perception within Suppliers that Observed audits have more Non-Conformances (NCRs). The Staff Engineer was asked to collect and analyze data to establish if this was the reality. The data was presented to the Task Group and also added to New Business item 20.0. See item 20.3 for details.3.4 Review of Training Evaluations and New Auditor CandidatesThe Staff Engineer presented an update of the current Auditor status. A number of Auditors are being reviewed to have their restrictions lifted. The Staff Engineer noted that a prior Auditor, who resigned in December 2010, was considering becoming an Auditor again. Procedurally there are no requirements for re-interview or re- assessment in training audits. There was some discussion on whether he could simply just start auditing again or if the Task Group needed to perform any further assessment.Motion made by Ralph Kropp and seconded by Steve Tooley to require the previously approved Auditor to conduct a satisfactory ‘T2’ audit before being re-hired. Motion passed.4.0 SUPPLIER ADVISORIES – CLOSED4.1 Review of Advisories since June 2012 Meeting.5 Two WLD Supplier Advisories have been issued since the June 2012 meeting: 2147 and 2157. The Task Group identified no further actions.Five Supplier Advisories, issued by other commodities, were also reviewed as they may have an effect on the WLD accreditations. These were 2148, 2150, 2161, 2163 and 2175. The Task Group decided that no further actions were required as a result of these Supplier Advisories.4.2 Review of Subscriber Advisories. There were no Advisories required from Subscribers.5.0 STAFF ENGINEER DELEGATION – CLOSEDThe WLD Task Group reviewed the Staff Delegation Tracking Form information for Mike Gutridge. He has met requirements of NOP-003 for delegation to be maintained, hence the WLD Task Group voted to maintain his delegation.Motion made by Keith Kastner and seconded by Scott Maitland to maintain Mike Gutridge’s delegation. Motion passed.The WLD Task Group reviewed the Staff Delegation Tracking Form information for Consultant Reviewer, Wayne Canary. He has met requirements of NOP-003 for delegation to be maintained, hence the WLD Task Group voted to maintain his delegation.Motion made by Keith Kastner and seconded by Scott Maitland to maintain Wayne Canary’s delegation. Motion passed.The WLD Task Group reviewed the Staff Delegation Tracking Form information for Ian Simpson. He has met requirements of NOP-003 for delegation to be maintained, hence the WLD Task Group voted to maintain his delegation.Motion made by Keith Kastner and seconded by Scott Maitland to maintain Ian Simpson’s delegation. Motion passed.Ian Simpson presented a training plan for new Staff Engineer, Stan Revers. The plan was in relation to getting Stan to delegated status and was acceptable to the WLD Task Group. The Task Group asked that they are notified when non-delegated Staff Engineer reviewed audits are submitted to Task Group review so that they are aware that a quorum is required on these ballots.ACTION ITEM: Stan Revers to notify the WLD Task Group when he submits an audit to Task Group ballot. (Due Date: 19-Feb-13)Subsequent discussion was centered on Stan supporting both the WLD and Heat Treatment (HT) Task Groups and how his time would be split at Task Group meetings. The Task Group were informed that his time would be split approximately 50% WLD / 50% HT but that flexibility was needed to ensure he sees the broad spectrum of items that are affecting both Commodities. Ian Simpson stated that he would liaise with the PRI Staff who are responsible for HT so as to assure Stan sees the necessary WLD business items at future Task Group meetings.6.0 REVIEW OF SUBSCRIBER DEVIATIONS– CLOSEDNo Subscriber Deviations were requested for review.7.0 SUBSCRIBER VOTING MEMBER QUALIFICATIONS– CLOSEDThis agenda item was added at the request of Bob Fletcher. Bob withdrew his request for this item and hence no further discussion ensued.8.0 NEW BUSINESS CLOSED ITEMS– CLOSED WELDING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTESNo new closed business item agenda items were requested.9.0 MEMBERSHIP UPDATE – OPEN9.1 Les Hellemann of GE Aviation attended his second meeting and is eligible for Alternate Subscriber Voting Member (ALT/UVM) status.Motion made by Gary Coleman and seconded by Keith Kastner for Les Hellemann of GE Aviation to become an ALT/UVM. Motion passed.9.2 Robbie Adams of Honeywell attended his second meeting and is eligible for ALT/UVM status.Motion made by Gary Coleman and seconded by Keith Kastner for Robbie Adams of Honeywell to become an ALT/UVM. Motion passed.9.3 John Sanders of Hamilton Sundstrand attended his second meeting and is eligible for Subscriber Voting Member (UVM) status.Motion made by Gary Coleman and seconded by Keith Kastner for John Sanders of Hamilton Sundstrand to become an UVM. Motion passed.Scott Iby who is currently UVM will become ALT/UVM for Hamilton Sundstrand.9.4 As noted in item 1.0, Craig Militello is no longer at Goodrich and hence is no longer the Secretary for the Task Group. Chris English has volunteered to be the Task Group Secretary.Motion made by Scott Maitland and seconded by Holger Krueger for Chris English to be appointed Task Group Secretary. Motion passed.9.5 Les Hellemann volunteered to be the Alternate Secretary.Motion made by Scott Maitland and seconded by Holger Krueger for Les Hellemann to be appointed the Task Group Alternate Secretary. Motion passed.9.6 Ian Simpson informed the Task Group that Dag Lindland had also volunteered to be the Secretary if either Chris English or Les Hellemann are absent at future meetings.9.7 Tim Storm of Parker Aerospace is attending his first meeting.9.8 Osawonuyi Agbonkonkon of Parker Aerospace is attending his first meeting.9.9 Peter Lang of Pratt and Whitney is attending his first meeting.9.10 Jim Olejarczyk of Alcoa is attending his first meeting. Jim stated that he would be interested in becoming a future Supplier Voting Member (SVM). It was noted that at present the Task Group already has its full allocation of SVMs per the limits defined in NTGOP-001 Appendix IV.9.11 Jeff Bernath of RTI is attending his first meeting. Jeff stated that he would be interested in becoming a future Supplier Voting Member (SVM). Again it was noted that at present the Task Group already has its full allocation of SVMs.9.12 Delinquency to NTGOP-001 with respect to attendance at meetings and voting on letter ballots. It was noted that GE Aviation did not vote on 2 consecutive ballots. Per NTGOP-001, the Task Group Chair maintained Voting Rights due to GE Aviation’s participation in sub-groups and their commitment to the Secretary role.7 ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to make administrative changes to Task Group memberships. (Due Date: 15- Nov-12)10.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE (SSC) REPORT – OPENMike Schleckman gave a presentation on activities that the SSC is involved in. Key items: Mentoring to help new Suppliers; 100% Supplier voting participation for WLD Task Group; Ways to help Suppliers – help desk, Supplier tutorial, first time Supplier attendee Q&A; Contract flow-down continues to be topic of lively conversation; Educational resources available to Suppliers.11.0 NMC METRICS – OPENThe Staff Engineer presented graphic representation of the Weld Task Group performance of NMC Metrics. All metrics were coded ‘green’, except for initial audit Supplier cycle time and initial audit Task Group cycle time which were coded ‘yellow’. The Task Group elected to take no further actions on this.12.0 SPECIFICATION CHANGES – OPEN12.1 AWS D17.1:2010 paragraph 7.1.2 (Qualification of Visual Welder Inspectors) has previously been discussed with a decision not to issue NCRs until after 1-May-13. The 2 options currently available are to become a Certified Weld Inspector (CWI) or to utilize AWS B5.2 to develop a training and qualification program which requires endorsement by the Engineering authority. It was noted that outside of the USA, gaining CWI status will be difficult and expensive, thus only allowing the AWS B5.2 route. Many Subscribers noted that they are still not yet in a position to either approve programs as required by AWS B5.2 or to provide exceptions. Motion made by Holger Krueger and seconded by Scott Maitland to extend the timeframe for which a NCR will not be issued due to a Supplier not meeting AWS D17.1 Paragraph 7.1.2 to 1-Nov-13. Motion passed.ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to issue an Auditor Advisory extending the date to 1-Nov-13 for full compliance to AWS D17.1 para 7.1.2 . (Due Date: 30-Nov-12)A member of the American Welding Society (AWS) D17 Committee suggested that anyone with concerns over this requirement should attend the next AWS meeting scheduled for November in order to express their concerns directly to the specification body.It was also noted that if the flowed contract to a Supplier is AWS D17.1, then this is a requirement of the specification and although Nadcap has chosen not to test this requirement at this time, Suppliers who do not meet the requirement are not meeting their contractual requirements.12.2 It was noted that AMS 2694 Revision C will soon be issued. This has removed the requirement for welder qualification to AWS D17.1 on the repair welding of castings.12.3 Holger Krueger noted that there had been no ISO meeting on weld specifications since the June 2012 Task Group meeting and as such there were no new items to report. Holger expects that an update will be provided at the February 2013 Task Group meeting.13.0 CREATE NMC FEEDBACK CHART – OPENThe Task Group generated the feedback chart presented by Steve Tooley, in Ralph Kropp’s absence, to the NMC. 14.0 NEW AUDITOR TRAINING PROGRAM – OPENIan Simpson gave a presentation on the New Auditor Training program that is being rolled-out for any new Auditors entering the program after December 2012. The Task Group requested if the training material could be made available. Ian Simpson responded that he believed the material to be proprietary but that he would investigate if it could be sent to UVMs. Alternative suggestions WELDING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTES were that it could be reviewed at future Task Group meetings, or access to the Learning Management Center (LMS) be granted for a short period of time.ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to establish if New Auditor training material can be sent to UVMs. Should this not be an option, Ian to establish how UVMs can review the material. (Due Date: 30-Nov-12) 15.0 ANNUAL REVIEW OF FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS – OPENIan Simpson presented the existing Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) that are provided by the Task Group for Suppliers. Some modifications to existing questions were made as well as some new questions added. The new revision will replace the existing one in eAuditNet at Resources/Documents/Public Documents/Welding/Supplier Information.ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson replace existing FAQ document with revised one. (Due Date: 30-Nov-12) 16.0 AUDITOR ADVISORIES– OPENThere were 3 Auditor Advisories posted since the last Task Group meeting, 12-WLD-001, 12-WLD- 002 and 12-WLD-003. All were reviewed. The Staff Engineer reminded everyone that these are posted in eAuditNet at Resources/Documents/Public Documents/Welding/Auditor Advisories.17.0 BRAZE (AC7110/1) CHECKLIST REVIEW – OPENA joint sub-team comprising of members of the WLD and HT Task Groups had been established to review the AC7110/1 checklist. Per a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) there is an agreement between these Task Groups. i.e. that although the checklist is owned by WLD, HT will be consulted on any revisions. The sub-team had identified a number of questions that should be reviewed by the WLD Task Group. These were reviewed by the WLD Task Group.Many proposed changes were reviewed; however the majority were not supported by the Task Group. The following changes were however identified and supported by votes as stated:Motion made by Gary Winters and seconded by Keith Kastner to update Handbook to clarify the term scrap in paragraph 4.3.5.2. Motion passed.Motion made by Michael Irvin and seconded by Ralph Kropp to move requirements currently stated at paragraphs 7.5.1, 7.5.2, 7.5.3, 7.5.4 and 7.6.2 to Job audits. Motion passed.As these changes are not revising the requirements, simply relocating them within the checklist, the Task Group agreed that these are all editorial changesACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to make defined changes to the AC7110/1 checklist and issue per requirements of NIP 4-01. (Due Date: 31-Dec-12) ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to revise AC7110/1 handbook to define scrap and to align with revised checklist paragraphs. (Due Date: 31-Jan-13)18.0 NMC MEETING REPORT – OPENRalph Kropp gave an update of items discussed at the Planning and Operations meeting, and the NMC meeting. No items that require WLD Task Group action were identified.19.0 NTGOP-001 APPENDIX IV BALLOT COMMENT RESOLUTION – OPENThe ballot of the WLD appendix of NTGOP-001 resulted in 3 comments. Alternative proposals for the verbiage in paragraphs 6.2 and 6.3 were proposed. These were discussed and ultimately resulted in the following motion.9 Motion made by Jackie Sternot and seconded by Ralph Kropp to accept verbiage as written in Paragraph 6.2 of the balloted revision to remain. Motion passed.As the proposed verbiage in paragraph 6.3 was similar to paragraph 6.2, Randy Hite withdrew his ballot comments on paragraph 6.3.The editorial comment made by Michael Irvin on paragraph 6.2 was accepted by the Task Group.ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to make revisions to NTGOP-001 Appendix IV per the ballot dispositions of the Task Group and ballot it to the NMC. (Due Date: 30-Nov-12)It was however noted that although the verbiage in paragraphs 6.2 and 6.3 described what the Task Group require in Main and Satellite audit conditions for merit and failure, that this could be simplified by providing examples and / or a process map to supplement the verbiage. A sub-group of Larry Hamanishi, Scott Maitland and Mike Schleckman volunteered for this.ACTION ITEM: Larry Hamanishi, Scott Maitland and Mike Schleckman to create example matrix and or process/map to provide guidance for paragraphs 6.2 and 6.3 of NTGOP-001 Appendix IV. (Due Date: 31- May-13)20.0 NEW BUSINESS OPEN ITEMS – OPEN20.1 Milan Hanyk sought support from the Task Group for possible future revision to AC7110/5 Supplement E (Casting Repair). This proposal would include new questions to better test the control of this item. Randy Hite suggested that the cancelled checklist AC7110/10 may provide some additional items for consideration. A sub-team of Milan Hanyk, Randy Hite, Don Lenhart, Holger Krueger, Robbie Adams and Jerry Isoaho to draft additional questions and present to the Task Group at the February 2013 Task Group meeting.ACTION ITEM: Milan Hanyk, Randy Hite, Don Lenhart, Holger Krueger, Robbie Adams and Jerry Isoaho to draft additional questions for AC7110/5 Supplement E (Casting Repair) and present at the February 2013 Task Group meeting. (Due Date: 19-Feb-13)20.2 REACH – This is a European Union legislation to control harmful chemicals. The Task Group discussed if this would have an impact on Weld audits. The Task Group noted that it would have some impact on Suppliers, but that it would have limited, if any, impact on the Nadcap WLD audits.20.3 At the June 2012 Task Group meeting, Ian Simpson was asked to obtain data on Observed audits. There was a concern that perhaps observed audits received more NCRs than non-observed audits. The data for the Weld Task Group shows that observed weld audits have less NCRs than non- observed audits (For initial audits 3.0 NCRs average for non-observed versus 2.5 NCRs average for observed; for reaccreditation audits 2.0 NCRs average for non-observed versus 1.3 NCRs average for observed). Hence the data does not support the perception that more NCRs are generated in Observed audits. In an attempt to stop Suppliers rejecting Observers, the Task Group suggested that a letter from the Task Group Chair that explains the situation would be beneficial.ACTION ITEM: Ralph Kropp and Ian Simpson to create letter which will be sent to Suppliers when an Observer requests an audit to explain that the Audit is not being influenced by the Observer. (Due Date: 31- Dec-13)20.4 Holger Krueger presented some resistance weld nugget photographs produced in commercially pure titanium. This highlighted an issue that in this material it is possible to confuse the Heat Affected Zone (HAZ) with a weld nugget. Hence in the worst case scenario a weld may not even have been produced, but the HAZ may be interpreted as the nugget and subsequently recorded as having passed the evaluation.21.0 ANNUAL REVIEW OF TOP 10NCRS – OPEN WELDING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTES Ian Simpson presented the top 10 NCRs based on the NCRs for the prior 12 months. This was reviewed by the Task Group. Ian Simpson reminded the Task Group that this document is posted in eAuditNet at Resources/Documents/Public Documents/Welding/Supplier Information.ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to update the Top 10 NCRs that is posted in eAuditNet. (Due Date: 30-Nov- 12)22.0 FORUM FOR SUPPLIER ISSUES – OPEN22.1 A meeting participant requested if the WLD Task Group would consider not controlling Class C welds to the same requirements as Class A and B. The Task Group responded that the baseline checklist requires them to have a system for weld schedule development and qualification and that the job audits tested that system as well as the contracted flow down. As not all Subscribers control weld classification in the same manner, then it would be too difficult to separate out each Subscriber’s requirements. Hence there was no support for this suggestion.22.2 A meeting participant requested if the beam stopper material in electron beam welding had to be the same alloy type as the material being welded. The Audit Handbook for this item was reviewed and allowance is given for deviation providing this is defined in the WPS.22.3 Jackie Sternot asked for the Task Group’s interpretation of performing the self-audit prior to the Nadcap audit. The WLD checklist requires the Supplier to perform a self-audit. Although the Supplier should satisfy themselves that the job audit aspect of the self-audit is in control, it is the Auditor who selects the job audit and hence if these sections of the self-audit are not completed, no NCR will result.22.4 A meeting participant requested if it is acceptable to qualify laser welds of the same material and joint configuration using the same test report. i.e. not make the qualifications part specific. The Task Group stated that in principle this is acceptable, however that this should be described procedurally so as to assure the qualifications are performed when required.22.5 A meeting participant noted that the GKN Aerospace (U20, formerly Volvo) supplemental checklists flow down a requirement that is not always required by the contract. The GKN Aerospace Subscriber Voting Member noted that he was aware of this issue and will make revisions to the Supplemental requirements at the next revision.23.0 CHECKLIST REVISIONS – OPEN23.1 Checklist Ballot ResolutionThe Task Group reviewed the ballot comments from the ballots of AC7110/3, AC7110/3S, AC7110/4, AC7110/4S, AC7110/5, AC7110/5S, AC7110/6, AC7110/6S, AC7110/12, AC7110/12S, AC7110/13 and AC7110/13S. Each comment was dispositioned. ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to finalize the checklist ballots with the Task Group dispositions and ballot per NIP 4-01 requirements (i.e. affirmation ballot to Task Group if technical changes occurred or NMC affirmation ballot if no technical changes have occurred). (Due Date: 31-Jan-13) The Task Group agreed that should Supplemental Checklists require affirmation ballot, they can be balloted to Subscribers only as allowed by NIP 4-01.23.2 Handbook Revisions23.2.1 Per a suggestion made at the Auditor Conference, the Task Group discussed the need for possible revision to the assessment of resistance weld nuggets. The concern is that the current diagram has the faying surface coinciding with the maximum nugget width. Hence by using this diagram, the Auditor does not know if the coupon evaluator knows that the width must be assessed at the faying surface. The WLD Task Group however agreed that by adding new diagrams it is possible that a 11 coupon evaluator would possibly be asked to assess coupon shapes that he would never encounter in production and this would be an un-fair test. The WLD Task Group therefore agreed to write additional guidance in the handbook for AC7110/4 at paragraph 8.5 and issue an Auditor Advisory to instruct auditors to use the widest possible variations of coupons that are likely to be encountered during the job audit evaluations.23.2.2 Per a suggestion made at the Auditor Conference, the Task Group modified guidance in the handbook for AC7110/5 at paragraph 5.1.23.2.3 At the Auditor Conference, the Task Group was asked for guidance in expectations for welder qualification for hardface welding. The Task Group members stated that they needed to understand how their specifications control this type of welding before guidance can be given.23.2.4 Ian Simpson noted that Audit Handbooks will need to be revised based on the checklist revisions that will occur (ref item 23.1) and asked for a sub-team to be created to review handbook changes. Don Lenhart, John Sanders and Gary Coleman volunteered for this sub-team.23.2.5 Tungsten electrode marking. Electrodes are supplied with identification which can be lost when electrodes are cut, points ground etc. There was some discussion as to whether not controlling electrode identification in these situations could cause problems. The Task Group sentiment was that few, if any, problems had been attributed to the use of an incorrect electrode and at this time elected not to provide guidance. 23.2.6 Removal of filler wire oxidized tips. The Task Group stated that a separate requirement is not going to be imposed to require procedural control of this item. If a welder is found to be reintroducing an oxidized wire into the weld pool then this should be written as an NCR against the filler wire cleanliness question.ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to make changes to Audit Handbooks to address items made at the 2012 Auditor Conference and the impending Audit Checklist revisions. (Due Date: 31-Jan-13) ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to issue an Auditor Advisory to instruct Auditors performing resistance weld audits to select jobs that give the widest range of parts that the Supplier welds in order to test coupon evaluators in the types of weld nuggets they encounter. (Due Date: 31-Dec-12) ACTION ITEM: Sub-team of Don Lenhart, John Sanders and Gary Coleman to review Audit Handbook revisions and provide feedback. (Due Date: 31-Jan-13) ACTION ITEM: All Subscriber Voting members to establish their specification requirements that control hardface welding and be ready for further discussion at the February 2013 Task Group meeting. (Due Date: 19-Feb-13)ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to issue an Auditor Advisory to clarify that if oxidized filler wire is seen to be contaminating the weld pool that it is to be written as an NCR against the filler material cleanliness question. (Due Date: 31-Dec-12)23.3 Smart ChecklistsThe WLD Task Group has previously agreed that for mature Suppliers the structure of the audit should be changed to allow more compliance (job) audits and to reduce procedural questions to allow the time for this. Ian Simpson provided a re-cap of this to the Task Group and presented an outline of requirements compiled by the eAuditNet team. The Task Group is still in agreement that this is the correct approach. The main item of discussion on this subject was that the Task Group believed that the Supplier should not see the questions that will be asked in a modified scope audit until the Auditor arrives. This would ensure that the Supplier has reviewed all the checklist requirements and not focused only on those they know will be asked.Once NMC agree to Smart checklist, WLD and Chemical Process Task Groups will be requested to pilot the program. WELDING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTES23.4 Global SpecificationsIan Simpson presented a report on the use of Global specifications within the Weld Checklists. In reviewing this it was noted that the WLD Task Group have incorporated Global specifications into the checklists and where possible worded the questions to test the requirements of all specifications. Only 4 further Global specification were identified: ISO 3838, ISO 13919, ISO 14744 and DIN 65233. Of these it was noted that DIN 65233 is expected to be replaced by an ISO within 6 months and ISO 3838 is not an Aerospace specification. The Weld Task Group is committed to ensuring that the checklists test Global specification requirements and include an ISO specification update at each meeting in order to achieve this.24.0 FEBRUARY 2013 AGENDA– OPENMeeting days will be Tuesday 19th through Thursday 21st February 2013. Items to be included in the agenda are:2013 Auditor Conference development  Hardface Welding – Welder qualification requirements Review proposal for Casting Weld repairs Checklist ballot comment resolution Review and disposition rolling list of ballot revision proposals NOP-011 Failure criteria Smart Checklists Standard agenda items including Auditor Advisories, Auditor effectiveness, Staff Engineer delegation, Metrics, Membership changes, Specification changes affecting Nadcap25.0 REVIEW OF ACTION ITEMS– OPENAll action items were reviewed and found acceptable. For specific details please see the Welding Task Group RAIL posted at www.eAuditNet.com under Public Documents / Welding.26.0 REVIEW OF MEETING EFFECTIVENESS– OPENThe Task Group completed the meeting evaluation form.27.0 NEXT MEETING – OPENThe February 2013 meeting is to be held in Dallas, Texas, USA.ADJOURNMENT – 24-Oct-12 Meeting was adjourned at 4:30 p.m.Minutes Prepared by: Les Hellemann ([email protected])***** For PRI Staff use only: ******Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)YES* NO 13 *If yes, the following information is required:Documents requiring Who is responsible: Due date: revision: NTGOP-001 App IV Ian Simpson 30-Nov-12 (to NMC ballot) AC7110/3, AC7110/3S, Ian Simpson 30-Nov-12 (to AC7110/4, AC7110/4S, Task Group AC7110/5, AC7110/5S, affirmation AC7110/6, AC7110/6S, ballot) AC7110/12, 31-Jan-13 (to AC7110/12S, AC7110/13 NMC ballot) and AC7110/13S AC7110/1 Ian Simpson 31-Dec-12

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