LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 27 May 2020 7197 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 27 May 2020 The Council met at Eleven o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, G.B.S., J.P. PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S., J.P. 7198 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 27 May 2020 THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK WING-HANG THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 27 May 2020 7199 THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, S.B.S., J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE ALVIN YEUNG THE HONOURABLE ANDREW WAN SIU-KIN THE HONOURABLE CHU HOI-DICK THE HONOURABLE JIMMY NG WING-KA, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE JUNIUS HO KWAN-YIU, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HO KAI-MING THE HONOURABLE LAM CHEUK-TING THE HONOURABLE HOLDEN CHOW HO-DING THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-FAI, J.P. THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-CHUN THE HONOURABLE WILSON OR CHONG-SHING, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YUNG HOI-YAN, J.P. 7200 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 27 May 2020 DR THE HONOURABLE PIERRE CHAN THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHUN-YING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TANYA CHAN THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-KWAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HUI CHI-FUNG THE HONOURABLE LUK CHUNG-HUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU KWOK-FAN, M.H. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LAU IP-KEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHENG CHUNG-TAI THE HONOURABLE KWONG CHUN-YU THE HONOURABLE JEREMY TAM MAN-HO THE HONOURABLE VINCENT CHENG WING-SHUN, M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HOI-YAN MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 27 May 2020 7201 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE MATTHEW CHEUNG KIN-CHUNG, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION THE HONOURABLE WONG KAM-SING, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT DR THE HONOURABLE LAW CHI-KWONG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR LABOUR AND WELFARE THE HONOURABLE JOHN LEE KA-CHIU, S.B.S., P.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY THE HONOURABLE FRANK CHAN FAN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT AND HOUSING THE HONOURABLE ERICK TSANG KWOK-WAI, I.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS MR ANDY CHAN SHUI-FU, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, S.B.S., SECRETARY GENERAL MISS ODELIA LEUNG HING-YEE, DEPUTY SECRETARY GENERAL MS DORA WAI, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MR MATTHEW LOO, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 7202 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 27 May 2020 PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Will the Clerk please ring the bell to summon Members to the Chamber. (After the summoning bell had been rung, a number of Members entered the Chamber) LAYING OF PAPERS ON THE TABLE OF THE COUNCIL The following papers were laid on the table under Rule 21(2) of the Rules of Procedure: Subsidiary Legislation Legal Notice No. Arbitration (Parties to New York Convention) (Amendment) Order 2020 .................................. 83 of 2020 Inland Revenue (Double Taxation Relief with respect to Taxes on Income and Prevention of Tax Evasion and Avoidance) (Macao Special Administrative Region) Order ........................... 84 of 2020 Air Pollution Control (Air Pollutant Emission) (Controlled Vehicles) (Amendment) Regulation 2020 ................................................. 85 of 2020 Property Management Services Ordinance (Commencement) Notice 2020 .......................... 86 of 2020 Property Management Services (Licensing and Related Matters) Regulation .............................. 87 of 2020 Pleasure Grounds (Amendment) Regulation 2020 ........ 88 of 2020 Dangerous Drugs Ordinance (Amendment of First Schedule) Order 2020 ........................................ 89 of 2020 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 27 May 2020 7203 Intercountry Adoption (Contracting States) (Amendment) Order 2020 .................................. 90 of 2020 Control of Chemicals Ordinance (Amendment of Schedule 2) Order 2020 ...................................... 91 of 2020 Antiquities and Monuments (Declaration of Monuments and Historical Buildings) (Consolidation) (Amendment) Notice 2020 ....... 92 of 2020 Employees Retraining Ordinance (Amendment of Schedule 2) Notice 2020 .................................... 93 of 2020 Other Papers The Government Minute in response to the Report of the Public Accounts Committee No. 73 of February 2020 Report No. 1/19-20 of the House Committee on Consideration of Subsidiary Legislation and Other Instruments Report of the Bills Committee on National Anthem Bill Report of the Bills Committee on Trade Marks (Amendment) Bill 2019 Report of the Bills Committee on Hotel and Guesthouse Accommodation (Amendment) Bill 2018 Report of the Bills Committee on Fire Safety (Industrial Buildings) Bill Report of the Bills Committee on Discrimination Legislation (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill 2018 Report of the Bills Committee on Occupational Retirement Schemes (Amendment) Bill 2019 7204 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 27 May 2020 ADDRESS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Address. The Chief Secretary for Administration will address the Council on "The Government Minute in response to the Report of the Public Accounts Committee No. 73". The Government Minute in response to the Report of the Public Accounts Committee No. 73 of February 2020 CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION (in Cantonese): President, I lay on the table at this Council today the Government Minute responding to the Public Accounts Committee ("PAC") … PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Chief Secretary, please put on your microphone. CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION (in Cantonese): President, sorry about that. President, I lay on the table at this Council today the Government Minute responding to Report No. 73 of PAC which was presented to the Legislative Council on 26 February this year. I welcome the PAC Report and am grateful for the time and efforts devoted by the Chairman Mr Abraham SHEK and members of PAC. The Government accepts PAC's various recommendations and sets out in detail the specific responses of the relevant bureaux and departments in the Government Minute. PAC has conducted public hearings on the Chapters of "Planning, provision and management of public toilets by the Food and Environmental Hygiene Department" and "Provision of consultancy, research and development and training services by the Hong Kong Productivity Council" in Report No. 73. I would like to highlight the key measures taken and progress made by the Food and Environmental Hygiene Department ("FEHD") and the Hong Kong Productivity Council ("HKPC") in response to the recommendations. Provision of clean and hygienic public toilets is an important public service. FEHD has taken the initiative to gradually upgrade public toilets under its management in recent years. These measures include implementing the Enhanced Public Toilet Refurbishment Programme to which over $600 million has been allocated, and expediting refurbishment works. FEHD will also LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 27 May 2020 7205 continue to make use of technology and step up collaboration with relevant departments to enhance the efficiency and effectiveness of public toilet management and maintenance. Specifically, FEHD completed in February 2020 a data-collection exercise on the utilization rate of its public toilets. FEHD would plan and manage public toilets on the basis of the data collected, including reviewing the mode of cleaning services for individual toilets, the frequency of cleaning services, the male-to-female compartment ratio, and the timing for refurbishment. In addition, FEHD has put on trial a visitor feedback system in November 2019 for users to provide feedback on their level of satisfaction on the overall cleanliness and maintenance of the toilet facilities. We agree that views of the public have positive value on the enhancement of public service. FEHD will consider extending an enhanced version of the system to other public toilets as appropriate, taking into account the cost-effectiveness and results of the trial. FEHD aims to come up with a specific plan in 2020 (i.e. this year) to further collect views from the public. The Innovation and Technology Commission ("ITC") and HKPC accept the findings and recommendations made by the Audit Commission and PAC on HKPC's provision of consultancy, research and development and training services. ITC and HKPC have immediately taken appropriate follow-up actions to implement the recommendations.