Notes from St Lucia History Group Meetings Volume One of Three 2005 to 2011 SLHG Meeting Notes Volume One 2005 to 2011 The St Lucia History Group was established in March 2002 when the St Lucia Community Association was re-formed after a number of years in hibernation. The group has been meeting ever since, for the first couple of years monthly, and more recently bi-monthly. This volume is part of the consolidated record of the topics discussed at these meetings, those immediately available in electronic format. The group decided early on not to adopt a constitution or any particular organisation structure so formal minutes of proceedings have not been kept. In their place are a set of summary Notes which are representative of the main points of discussion at our gatherings. The focus for the group is the history of St Lucia although on occasion the field of study slips over the line and includes adjoining communities when this is relevant. Whilst meetings often include some form of presentation by individual members or guests they are open discussion rather than formal lecture format. Members of the group have researched and prepared a number of Papers and Research Notes on a variety of topics and these are available on line or as print copies in the Toowong and Indooroopilly Branches of the BCC Library. Sometimes predating, sometimes postdating their issue, these meeting notes complement this research and include otherwise undocumented material. Thanks is extended to the various individuals who have contributed to the group’s research. Andrew Darbyshire Co-ordinator, St Lucia History Group February 2021 PO Box 4343, St Lucia South, QLD 4067 [email protected] https://brisbanehistorywest.wordpress.com/ Cover – base image Google Earth Pro Page 1 of 91 SLHG Meeting Notes Volume One 2005 to 2011 St Lucia History Group meeting topics – Volume One Meeting Topic Date Page Paper Volume One Games and Pastimes Sep 2005 4 Oct 2005 8 18 Living in St Lucia Part 2 St Lucia during wartime Oct 2010 65 34 St Lucia at war Guyatt family Mar 2007 19 35 St Lucia families – The Guyatts Pollard family Mar 2007 19 35 St Lucia families – The Guyatts 03 Farming sub-division 1852 to 1881 Carmody family Apr 2007 21 14 Living in St Lucia Part 1 03 Farming sub-division 1852 to 1881 McCaffrey family Apr 2007 21 Living in St Lucia Part 1 Railway Toowong to 27 Southern & Western Railway – May 2007 23 Indooroopilly Brisbane Extension Greater Lang Farm Oct 2008 30 02 Lang Farm and Glenolive St Lucia Road Apr 2009 34 12 History of roads and street names Show and tell Jun 2009 36 11 Residential development after the Jerdanefield Aug 2009 39 1880s Aug 2009 39 Capemba 36 Capemba – the first two residents Aug 2010 57 Long Pocket Oct 2009 41 21 Long Pocket Ygosse boatyard Dec 2009 43 15 Industrial and retail development 19 Education in St Lucia St Lucia Pre-School Feb 2010 47 28 St Lucia Pre-School 1948 to 2000 UQ – the move to St Lucia Apr 2010 52 19 Education in St Lucia TJ Rothwell Aug 2010 57 36 Capemba – the first two residents Early aviation Apr 2011 69 Middenbury Jun 2011 76 Volume Two Mar 2014 May 2014 Sep 2014 1914-18 War centenary Dec 2014 Mar 2015 Jul 2015 Sep 2015 BVN Architect’s archive Mar 2016 Cunningham laboratory Mar 2016 CSIRO Page 2 of 91 SLHG Meeting Notes Volume One 2005 to 2011 Ironside School May 2014 19 Education in St Lucia Lingering Doubts Dec 2014 Local artists Dec 2015 Local government Mar 2012 06 Representing St Lucia Long Pocket Sep 2013 21 Long Pocket Portion 9 Jun 2012 23 Portion 9 Parish of Indooroopilly Robert Emmerson Curtis Mar 2015 Sand gardening Jul 2015 St Lucia Gazette Apr 2016 The Avalon Sep 2016 17 Community organisations 11 Residential development after the WA Back Sep 2014 1880s Volume Three Mar 2018 1914-18 War centenary May 2018 Brisbane’s early skating rinks Jul 2017 Harry Angel radio ham Jul 2018 Heritage housing Dec 2019 Hugh Waring sugar industry Jul 2018 North of England canals Sep 2019 Planning of Inala May 2017 Pre-war sport Mar 2019 17 Community organisations Scouting and Guiding Mar 2018 17 Community organisations St Lucia Bowls Club Mar 2019 17 Community organisations St Lucia farm School May 2019 19 Education in St Lucia Taringa Masonic Lodge Dec 2018 War Service Homes Jul 2018 West Furniture and family Sep 2020 37 Karl and Gertrude Langer Page 3 of 91 SLHG Meeting Notes Volume One 2005 to 2011 St Lucia History Group Notes on Saturday 3 September 2005 Meeting Present: Apologies: Judy Magub (Opening only) Trevor Nicholls Marilyn England Denise Venables Percy Hanlon Peter Brown Ian Venables Myra Shipstone Janet Spillman Lenore Jensen Joan Haig Andrew Darbyshire Queensland Icons . Bring back suggestions to next meeting . Submissions close 1 November 2005 St Lucia/Dutton Park Bridge . Council looking for name . SLHG input if History link to be considered (Dart/Carmody/Sugar etc) . Suggestions next meeting SLHG Research Papers . Copy lodged with Toowong Library for Cataloguing . Ian’s Paper on Birds of St Lucia to add (IV > AD) Games/Toys/Pastimes . Open Discussion - Refer attached Odds . Pre WW2 – Sanitary Cart races Creek to George Street 2am, night shift workers laid bets with bookies . Davies Park swimming pool in fenced off part of river until late 1950’s . Davies Park speedway (prominent role in developing sport), LJ remembers they hired cushions to sit on . Tong Lee and family (Cnr Munro and Macquarie), furniture maker, herbalist and silk worm vendor NEXT MEETING 12.30 Saturday 1 October 2005 Apologies: Myra S / Lenore J / Judy M Discussion Topic – St Lucia at War (WW2) Bring (or send with a friend) – Memorabilia, photo’s, memories, location forces personnel, location temporary camps, souvenirs (no live ammo !) etc Need Aerial Photos again (December Meeting: Helen Gregory Presentation) Page 4 of 91 SLHG Meeting Notes Volume One 2005 to 2011 GAMES AND PASTIMES Main list by Joan H with contributions by Group: Rounders Quoits Cricket Skittles Vigaro (Ladies Cricket with special bat) Bobs Footy Ludo Tennis Snakes and Ladders Bike riding Dominoes Scooter riding Chinese Checkers Soap Box trolleys Cards – various Marbles (See Ian V terms used in Tiddlywinks game) Crows and Cranes (team game) Fiddle Sticks Red Rover Musical Chairs Cowboys and Indians Hide and Seek (with coffin variant) Cubbyhouse building Blind Mans Bluff Paper Chase (Church groups) Pass the Parcel Simon Says Drop the Hanky Spinning tops Pin the Tail on the Donkey Skipping Oranges and Lemons Basketball Blow Football Clay modelling Table Tennis Dolls, prams, cots, dolls houses Yoyos Cock fighting Hula Hoop 3 Legged races Matchbox Rugby Egg and spoon races Model planes Kite making and flying Jacks Sand garden Competitions (Beach) Kit Hat Hopscotch Tubes I Spy Who sees the 1st white horse (car travel game) The more unusual (mainly around WW2 time): . Laundry tub regatta after rain where the SL Bowls Club now is . Home made boats (gal iron, timber, tar off roads for caulking) Toowong Creek . Billycarts and canoes from adapted aeroplane auxiliary fuel tanks . Special ‘Blackout packs of cards’ for playing in low light . Cow dung fights with (Admiral) Kelly . Souvenir collecting/swapping, wartime memorabilia . Rocket making (generally wooden with propellant made from Condies Crystals, Saltpetre, Sulphur, Peroxide) Page 5 of 91 SLHG Meeting Notes Volume One 2005 to 2011 GAMES AND PASTIMES Prepared and tabled by Ian Venables: TERMS USED IN MARBLES DIBBS General term used for marbles or for the game of marbles. STONKER Clay marbles, considered inferior and often made in China or Japan. Usually not allowed as marbles to be won. TAW Marble favoured as a striking marble and released from the knuckles of the player. These were sometimes made of agate or were called agates. AGATE Marble made of natural stone. Often preferred as a striking marble or taw. EYE-DROPPER Larger then usual marble used in game of Eye-dropper where the marble is dropped onto a group of centre marbles. RING A game played where each player puts a marble (not a stonker) into the centre of this ring to be won by whoever strikes the marble so that it leaves the ring. The circle or ring was usually about 2 – 3 feet in diameter and considered a nursery game. BIG RING A game of ring marbles where the ring is drawn by one player scratching the circle in the dirt using his or her feet as the centre and reaching out as far as possible creating a circle approximately 5 - 6 feet in diameter. PINKING or Throwing a taw marble from outside the ring towards to PINK the marbles in the centre before the start of a game of ring. Whoever gets closest to the centre without touching starts the game by having first shot. In other games, a similar play is used to start the game. DRIBBLING Releasing a taw marble towards target marbles in a way that is not meant to win them but puts the player in a better position for his next shot. Considered a “cowards” way of playing. TRIANGLE A game where target marbles are placed on each of the three points of the triangle and also along the sides if more than three are playing. KNUCKLE-DOWN- A call made in a game of triangle if a players taw lands SCREW-TIGHT on a line. This requires the player in his or her next shot to fire his or her taw vertically downwards with the hand twisted inwards as hard as possible.