William and Janet Thomson Ramsay Descendants Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 RAMSAY was born Abt. 1760 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland1, and died Aft. 1807 in Scotland. He married JANET THOMSON Oct 15, 1785 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland2. She was born Abt. 1764 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland3, and died Aft. 1807 in Scotland. Notes for WILLIAM RAMSAY: (Care has been taken to substantiate the information provided here with birth, marriage, death, census and family records. If the reader finds any errors or has additional details, please contact: [email protected].) The marriage record of William and Janet shows that both were living in Dunfermline in 1785. William was employed as a coal miner at the Berrylaw Colliery which, according to an 1856 map, was located about two miles west of Dunfermline. The birth records of their children show that the family lived variously in Dunfermline, Torryburn and Dalgety. They may have eventually settled in Dalgety parish since their last three children were born there. The parish consisted of six villages, including Fordell which had a large colliery where William may have worked. Adelaide Frick Ramsay Clarke recalled in a letter that she had been taken to Scotland on a visit when she was only six months old in 1892. She was later told by her mother that William and Janet had lived in Fordell Colliery. More About WILLIAM RAMSAY: Misc: alternate birth place Torryburn, Fife Occupation: coal miner Notes for JANET THOMSON: William and Janet had at least 37 grandchildren. Research is ongoing as to their other children's possible 1 marriages and grandchildren. More About JANET THOMSON: Alternate spelling: Jannet Misc: alternate birth place Torryburn, Fife More About WILLIAM RAMSAY and JANET THOMSON: Alternate location: Dalgety, Fife, Scotland Marriage: Oct 15, 1785, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland4 Children of WILLIAM RAMSAY and JANET THOMSON are: 2. i. JAMES2 RAMSAY, b. Oct 18, 1786, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown, Scotland. 3. ii. JOHN RAMSAY, b. Apr 27, 1788, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown, Scotland. 4. iii. WILLIAM RAMSAY, b. 1790, Torryburn, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown, Scotland. 5. iv. ROBERT RAMSAY, b. Apr 4, 1792, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland; d. Feb 8, 1832, Scotland. v. MARGARET RAMSAY, b. 1794, Torryburn, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown. More About MARGARET RAMSAY: Christened: Nov 2, 1794, Torryburn, Fife, Scotland5 Misc: may have married a Penman 6. vi. JEAN RAMSAY, b. Jun 18, 1797, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown, Scotland. vii. JANET RAMSAY, b. Mar 17, 1800, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland6; d. Unknown, Scotland. More About JANET RAMSAY: Alternate spelling: Jannet Christened: Mar 23, 1800, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland7 7. viii. ALEXANDER RAMSAY, b. Jan 1, 1803, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown, Scotland. 8. ix. HELEN RAMSAY, b. 1804, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown. 9. x. THOMAS RAMSAY, b. Mar 19, 1807, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown, Scotland. Generation No. 2 2 2. JAMES2 RAMSAY (WILLIAM1) was born Oct 18, 1786 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland8, and died Unknown in Scotland. He married HELEN PENMAN May 19, 1806 in Dalgety, Fife, Scotland9. She was born Jul 18, 1785 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland10, and died Unknown in Scotland. More About JAMES RAMSAY: Christened: Oct 29, 1786, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland11 More About HELEN PENMAN: Misc: daughter of George Penman, Helen Thomson More About JAMES RAMSAY and HELEN PENMAN: Marriage: May 19, 1806, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland12 Children of JAMES RAMSAY and HELEN PENMAN are: i. WILLIAM3 RAMSAY, b. May 4, 1807, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland13; d. Unknown. ii. JAMES RAMSAY, b. Aug 12, 1820, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland13; d. Unknown. iii. JOHN (TWIN) RAMSAY, b. 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown. More About JOHN (TWIN) RAMSAY: Christened: Mar 20, 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland14 iv. ROBERT (TWIN) RAMSAY, b. 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown. More About ROBERT (TWIN) RAMSAY: Christened: Mar 20, 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland14 3. JOHN2 RAMSAY (WILLIAM1) was born Apr 27, 1788 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland15, and died Unknown in Scotland. He married JANET PENMAN Jan 15, 1810 in Dalgety, Fife, Scotland16. She was born Feb 23, 1789 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland17, and died Unknown in Scotland. More About JOHN RAMSAY: 3 Christened: May 4, 1788, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland18 More About JANET PENMAN: Alternate spelling: Jannet Misc: daughter of Thomas Penman, Margaret Duncan More About JOHN RAMSAY and JANET PENMAN: Marriage: Jan 15, 1810, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland19 Children of JOHN RAMSAY and JANET PENMAN are: i. WILLIAM3 RAMSAY, b. Dec 10, 1810, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland20; d. Unknown. ii. THOMAS RAMSAY, b. Aug 21, 1812, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland20; d. Unknown. iii. EUPHEMIA RAMSAY, b. May 1, 1815, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland20; d. Unknown. iv. JANET RAMSAY, b. Aug 21, 1817, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland20; d. Unknown. v. ARCHIBALD RAMSAY, b. 1822, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown. More About ARCHIBALD RAMSAY: Christened: Dec 14, 1822, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland21 4. WILLIAM2 RAMSAY (WILLIAM1) was born 1790 in Torryburn, Fife, Scotland, and died Unknown in Scotland. He married CHRISTIAN MORRIS May 10, 1816 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland22. She was born May 25, 1797 in Cowdenbeath, Fife, Scotland23, and died Unknown in Scotland. More About WILLIAM RAMSAY: Christened: Mar 7, 1790, Torryburn, Fife, Scotland24 More About CHRISTIAN MORRIS: Christened: May 28, 1797, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland24 Misc: daughter of William Morris, Elspet Spowart More About WILLIAM RAMSAY and CHRISTIAN MORRIS: Marriage: May 10, 1816, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland25 4 Marriage note: double wedding date with brother Robert Children of WILLIAM RAMSAY and CHRISTIAN MORRIS are: i. ELSPETH3 RAMSAY, b. 1816, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown. More About ELSPETH RAMSAY: Christened: Sep 13, 1816, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland26 ii. JANET RAMSAY, b. Jul 10, 1818, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland27; d. Unknown. More About JANET RAMSAY: Christened: Jul 19, 1818, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland28 iii. JANE RAMSAY, b. Apr 20, 1820, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland29; d. Unknown. iv. CHRISTIAN RAMSAY, b. 1822, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown. More About CHRISTIAN RAMSAY: Christened: Sep 7, 1822, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland30 5. ROBERT2 RAMSAY (WILLIAM1) was born Apr 4, 1792 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland31, and died Feb 8, 1832 in Scotland. He married ELIZABETH MORRIS May 10, 1816 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland32, daughter of WILLIAM MORRIS and CHRISTIAN SNADAN. She was born Apr 23, 1793 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland33, and died Mar 1, 1862 in Scotland. Notes for ROBERT RAMSAY: Marriage: see a photo of Robert's marriage on this site. It reads that on April 22, 1816, "Robert Ramsay Coalhewer in the parish of Dalgety and Betty Morris of this parish gave in their names for proclamation in order to marriage and being three times proclaimed and no objections made they were married on 10 May 1816." Robert's brother William was married the same day. Occupation: "In 1813 Robert, while mining in the Earl of Elgin's coal pit, was so severely injured that he could never thereafter perform hard labor. Fortunately, he had been a regular and a studious fellow and while he was only twenty-one at the time of the accident, he was already ranked as a mine boss. Manual labor, therefore, was 5 not necessary for him and owing to his good standing in the community, he was able to get sufficient financial backing to set himself up in the mining business on leased property." (Childers, p. 15) His descendant Margaret Ramsay Jones, of Mt. Pleasant, PA, wrote that Robert "owned the coal mine called 'White Rashes' at Cowdenbeath, Fifeshire, Scotland." Family: Robert died just two years after the birth of his youngest child. He never lived to see any of his grandchildren. Still, "he accumulated sufficient of the world's goods during his brief life that his family never lacked the necessities and his children received at least a limited education." (Childers, p. 15) Robert's descendant, Adelaide Frick Ramsay Clarke, maintains that Robert and Elizabeth were buried at Dunfermline Abbey, Dunfermline, Scotland, on the left side of the Margate entrance. However, when I husband and I visited the Abbey in 1997, we could not find the graves even though we walked through the entire cemetery and bought the book that lists the graves. On the other hand, some of the stones are unreadable and damaged. More About ROBERT RAMSAY: Christened: Apr 8, 1792, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland34 Christening witness: Apr 8, 1792, James Ramsay & Alexander Robertson Occupation: 1813, mine boss35 Notes for ELIZABETH MORRIS: Of the eight known children of Robert and Elizabeth, seven survived to adulthood, marriage and parenthood. Although Robert died at an early age, Elizabeth lived long enough to know of the birth of most of her grandchildren. Of Elizabeth's children, only William left Scotland to emigrate to America. The rest likely never left the county of Fife, judging by the places their children were born. All her daughters married miners and they worked in the collieries in the parishes of Auchterderran and Dalgety, as did her son Morris. William carried the mining tradition to the United States. Robert and Elizabeth had at least 46 grandchildren. Elizabeth's descendant, Adelaide Frick Ramsay Clarke, maintains that Robert and Elizabeth also had a son Thomas, nicknamed Tam "who lived in Tam Hill Scotland. Some of the family are still there," Adelaide wrote in a family record. However, I can find no record of a Thomas Ramsay born to the couple. Thomas Ramsay is also not in the notes of Helen Ramsay Walter. 6 Margaret Ramsay Jones states that Elizabeth died in 1865. I will have to check this with the Scottish Register, but in general, I have found a number of dates provided by Mrs. Jones to be in error. More About ELIZABETH MORRIS: Alternate spelling: Morres, Morrice Christened: Apr 28, 1793, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland36 Christening witness: George Burke(?), Alexander Morres More About ROBERT RAMSAY and ELIZABETH MORRIS: Marriage: May 10, 1816, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland37 Marriage note: double wedding date with brother William Children of ROBERT RAMSAY and ELIZABETH MORRIS are: 10.