UFYB 176: Tarot Cards, Thought Work & Mysticism with Jessica Dore Full Episode Transcript With Your Host Kara Loewentheil UnF*ck Your Brain with Kara Loewentheil UFYB 176: Tarot Cards, Thought Work & Mysticism with Jessica Dore Welcome to Unf*ck Your Brain, the only podcast that teaches you how to use psychology, feminism, and coaching, to rewire your brain and get what you want in life. And now here's your host, Harvard Law School grad, feminist rockstar, and master coach, Kara Loewentheil. Hello my chickens. I am so excited for this episode today and for you to hear the conversation that I have with the one and only Jessica Dore, who as you’ll hear I’ve been calling Dore in my brain this whole time. But before we get to that, I need to tell you something else important, which is that today is the day. I guess it depends when you’re listening to this, but if you’re listening to this the day it comes out, today is the day that for the first time, you can sign up to do deep, deep body image work with me. This is the first time that you have been able to take a body image exclusive class with me. So starting today, we are opening registration to the Unf*ck Your Body Image course. The course does not describe it. It is the Unf*ck Your Body Image journey of a lifetime. The Unf*ck Your Body Image amazing rollercoaster. The Unf*ck Your Body Image - I was going to say paradise, but we do a lot of work on recognizing that life always involves positive and negative emotion around here. But maybe paradise is involving positive and negative emotion. Anyway, some of you are going to - if you’re listening to this right when this comes out, you’re going to be on the webinar with me that I’m doing later today to teach my three best body image hacks. So some of you I’m going to see in a few minutes probably. But if you missed that webinar, don’t worry. You can now sign up directly for the program. This is work that until now has only been available inside The Clutch. You had to be a Clutch member to do this work on your body UnF*ck Your Brain with Kara Loewentheil UFYB 176: Tarot Cards, Thought Work & Mysticism with Jessica Dore image and to get access to all of these deeper tools and teachings that I have around body image, making peace with your body. Really body image is not even the right term in some ways because we all know that sort of what you think about your body’s appearance goes so much deeper. Really, this course is about deciding what the purpose of your body even is. What your body is for. What your relationship to your body should be like. What you want it to be like. It’s not just how you think about food and how you eat and how you move or don’t move and all of the kind of drama you have around exercise and how your body looks in the mirror, but it’s also how you live in your body as a home and the complicated relationship that you have with your body. All of the kind of fears and anxieties and resentments that we have about our bodies, especially if our bodies aren’t behaving the way we want them to. We dig deep into all of that with really powerful thought work tools. And until now, like I said, you could only do that in The Clutch. But this work is so important and everyone needs to have access to it if they want it, even if they’re not in The Clutch. Obviously being in The Clutch is amazing, so if you’re not in The Clutch I still don’t understand you. But you can now sign up just to do this work with me. So if you are interested in that, you’ve been thinking about it, you’ve been wanting to work on your body image, do not delay ma poulette, my chickens. When I have done these in The Clutch, they’ve sold out in 24 hours. And we’re expecting it’ll probably fill up in a couple of days. So go to unfuckyourbrain.com/bodyfreedom. All one word. unfuckyourbrain.com/bodyfreedom. Again, all one word. Or if you want, we will text you a link to all the information. So you can just text your email address to +13479971784 and just use the code BODYFREEDOM when UnF*ck Your Brain with Kara Loewentheil UFYB 176: Tarot Cards, Thought Work & Mysticism with Jessica Dore you get prompted. You’ll get a text saying what’s the code word, and you text back BODYFREEDOM, all one word. Then we will text you a link straight to all the information so you don’t have to remember it. Or you can go to unfuckyourbrain.com/bodyfreedom, all one word. Okay, I think that’s what you need to know. Like I said, hit pause and go there now if you’re really interested because it will fill up fast. It will sell out quickly. Alright, without further ado, now I want you to hear all about my amazing conversation with Jessica Dore. We’re going to talk about tarot cards and thought work and mysticism and therapy and a whole bunch of amazing juicy topics. Take a listen. — Kara: Hello my chickens. I have a very exciting podcast guest for you today and conversation that some of you when hearing what’s about to come may start to be like, has Kara lost her mind? Is this podcast now about woo-ness and astrology and witches? And I just want you to take a deep breath. I am still me. And some of you are going to be like, finally, she’s finally admitting what we all knew all along, which is that it’s all about the woo. Neither of those things is happening. Just come on this journey with me. It’s going to be amazing, I promise. I am speaking to - I just realized that despite working with her for three years, I don’t know how to pronounce her last name. I always say it in my head as Jessica Dore, is that right? Jessica: It’s “Door.” UnF*ck Your Brain with Kara Loewentheil UFYB 176: Tarot Cards, Thought Work & Mysticism with Jessica Dore Kara: I’m just connecting to your ancestral lineage is what’s happening to the original. Jessica: Yeah, it means a lot to me. Kara: You actually might want to try to get a little closer to the mic. You’re a little quiet I think. Jessica: Okay. Like I said, in extreme lounge mode. I’m sinking down into my chair. Kara: Jessica’s doing this interview if the mic will come to her fact. Otherwise, that’s it. Jessica: Right. I’ll do it only if - exactly. I literally didn’t move out of this chair. And this microphone appeared and the log was put on the fire. Kara: This is a whole other conversation we have to have about what is happening in your life that you have a band adjusting to your every need in this house. We got on this call for this podcast and I was like, where are you? And she’s like, I’m in this house with a band. And I was like, are you recording? And she’s like, no, but they are. And I’m by the fire. Just no other explanatory info given. That’s just how she rolls. It’s all very mysterious. Alright, why don’t you introduce yourself? Tell people who are you and what you do. Jessica: Okay. Yeah. Well, I’m Jessica Dore, as you said. Kara: Dore. UnF*ck Your Brain with Kara Loewentheil UFYB 176: Tarot Cards, Thought Work & Mysticism with Jessica Dore Jessica: Oh right, thank you. That’s very classic you. Like no, let me tell you how you say your last name. And me, I’m like, nope you’re right, that’s it. Kara: Don’t let her fool you. She’s got a will of steel. It’s just hidden behind some nicer manners. Jessica: But yeah, I’m a tarot reader and that’s how we connected. But I think you connected with me maybe because more of - my background is in social work. I have a social work license in Pennsylvania. I have a background in psychology publishing. I’ve been working in the psychology publishing field for 10 years. So I’ve just been studying cognitive and behavioral therapies for a long time and incorporating them into my interpretations of the tarot. So I’ve kind of tried to weave these things together and that’s I guess the basis of my work with tarot and kind of what makes it different than a tarot reader that does sort of fortune telling or more of a divination type practice. That’s me. Kara: Yeah, so tell us a little bit - I think that’s true. The one other time I’d had two tarot card readings that were not done by you. And they were both more like, yeah, this is what’s going to happen kind of, or this is your year is about this. So interesting because I was just - I told you before I got on this call, I was just teaching the first session of my advanced certification in feminist coaching and I had - I wrote this whole curriculum and then I was having everybody go round and say what stood out to them.