Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION Title: Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards Digital Instrumentation and Controls System Subcommittee Docket Number: N/A Location: Rockville, Maryland Date: November 2, 2016 Work Order No.: NRC-2707 Pages 1-435 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC. Court Reporters and Transcribers 1323 Rhode Island Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20005 (202) 234-4433 1 1 2 3 4 DISCLAIMER 5 6 7 UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION’S 8 ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS 9 10 11 The contents of this transcript of the 12 proceeding of the United States Nuclear Regulatory 13 Commission Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards, 14 as reported herein, is a record of the discussions 15 recorded at the meeting. 16 17 This transcript has not been reviewed, 18 corrected, and edited, and it may contain 19 inaccuracies. 20 21 22 23 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 www.nealrgross.com 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION + + + + + ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS (ACRS) + + + + + DIGITAL INSTRUMENTATION AND CONTROL SYSTEMS SUBCOMMITTEE + + + + + WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 2, 2016 + + + + + ROCKVILLE, MARYLAND + + + + + The Subcommittee met at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Two White Flint North, Room T2B1, 11545 Rockville Pike, at 8:34 a.m., Charles H. Brown, Jr., Chairman, presiding. COMMITTEE MEMBERS: CHARLES H. BROWN, JR., Chairman MARGARET CHU, Member JOSE A. MARCH-LEUBA, Member DANA A. POWERS, Member JOHN W. STETKAR, Chairman NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 2 MATTHEW W. SUNSERI, Member ACRS CONSULTANT: MYRON HECHT* DESIGNATED FEDERAL OFFICIAL: CHRISTINA ANTONESCU ALSO PRESENT: SUZANNE ANI, NMSS NIMA ASHKEBOUSSI, NEI MATT BARTLETT, NMSS BRAD BERGEMANN, NSIR MICHAEL BURKSDALE, Public Participant* JOE DEUCHER, NMSS JAMES DOWNS, NMSS CRAIG ERLANGER, Division Director, FCSE AARON KENT, Public Participant* JIM MALTESE, OGC CARDELIA MAUPIN, NMSS, CHARITY PANTALO, NSIR CASEY PRIESTER, NSIR Contractor MICHAEL SHINN, NSIR Contractor BRIAN SMITH, Deputy Division Director, FCSE NORM ST. AMOUR, OGC NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 3 ANDREA D. VEIL, Executive Director, ACRS *Present via telephone T-A-B-L-E O-F C-O-N-T-E-N-T-S Page Introduction and welcome...........................5 By Chairman Brown Opening Remarks....................................7 By Craig Erlanger - Division Director of the Division of Fuel Cycle Safety Safeguards and Environmental Review in the Office of Nuclear Material Safety and Safeguards Presentation of Cyber Security for Fuel............8 Cycle Facilities By James Downs - Program Manager for Cyber Security for the Fuel Cycle Facilities Types of Fuel Cycle Licensees and Regulations......9 By Brian Smith - Deputy Director in the Division of Fuel Cycle Safety Safeguards and Environmental Review History of Fuel Cycle Cyber Security Current Requirements NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 4 Brad Bergemann, NSIR........................88 Development of SECY-14-0147 James Downs, NMSS..........................103 SRM to SECY-14-0147 James Downs, NMSS..........................105 Regulatory Basis James Downs, NMSS..........................110 Overview of Draft Proposed Rule Language Consequences of Concern James Downs, NMSS..........................129 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 5 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S (8:34 a.m.) CHAIRMAN BROWN: Good morning. Meeting will now come to order. This is a meeting of the Digital Instrumentation and Control Subcommittee. I'm Charles Brown, Chairman of the Subcommittee. ACRS Members in attendance are Dana Powers, John Stetkar, Mike Corradini possibly, Jose March-Leuba, Margaret Chu, Matt Sunseri, and possibly our consultant Myron Hecht. Have you heard from Myron? MS. ANTONESCU: I haven't. CHAIRMAN BROWN: Okay. He was flying in, so, from California. So it could be happening. Christina Antonescu of the ACRS Staff is our designated Federal Official for this meeting. The purpose of the meeting is for the Staff to brief the ACRS on the technical basis for the fuel cycle cyber security rulemaking including the draft proposed rule language 10 CFR 73.53 and the draft regulatory guidance DG 5062 and other related NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 6 documents for the fuel cycle security rulemaking. The Subcommittee will gather information, analyze relevant issues and facts, and formulate proposed positions and actions as appropriate for deliberation by the full committee. The rules for participation in today's meeting have been announced as part of the notice of this meeting previously published in the Federal Register. The meeting will be open to public attendance with the exceptions of portions that may be closed to protect information that is proprietary. We have received written comments and request for time to make oral statements from members of the public, the Nuclear Energy Institute regarding today's meeting. That will, those oral statements will come at the end of the meeting. To preclude interruption of the meeting, the phone line will be placed on listen in mode during the presentations and Committee discussions. Also the bridge line will be opened at the end of the meeting for anyone listening on the bridge line who would like to make any comments. A transcript of the meeting is being kept and will be made available as stated in the Federal NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 7 Register. Therefore, we request that participants in this meeting use the microphones located throughout the meeting room when addressing the Subcommittee. Participants should first identify themselves and speak with sufficient clarity and volume so that they may be readily heard. And then also please silence all cell phones, pagers, iPhones, iPads, and all other appropriate electronic appliances, devices that you may have on your persons, including me. Thank you. We will now proceed with the meeting. I call upon -- (Off microphone comments) CHAIRMAN BROWN: Okay, okay. I thought I was going to have somebody over there. So Craig Erlanger, the Division Director of the Division of Fuel Cycle Safety Safeguards and Environmental Review in the Office of Nuclear Material Safety and Safeguards to make some opening remarks followed by James Downs to start the presentation. Have at it. MR. ERLANGER: Good morning. Thank you for the opportunity to present today. As Mr. Brown mentioned, my name is Craig Erlanger, I'm the Director of the Division of Fuel Cycle Safety Safeguards and NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 8 Environmental Review. As discussed, we will be briefing you today on the Fuel Cycle Cyber Security rulemaking effort. The Staff's goal is to get a proposed rule package to the Commission in March of 2017. We have a full agenda today. At this point I'm going to turn it over to James Downs who is the Senior Project Manager for this effort and he's going to talk you through the agenda and a few other items, and then we'll be followed by an overview of the fuel cycle facilities themselves. James? MR. DOWNS: Thanks, Craig. As Craig said, I'm James Downs. I'm the Program Manager for Cyber Security on the Fuel Cycle side of the house. This effort has been about five years in the making. So you know, when we started out it was just an initiative to kind of gather the lay of the land at the fuel cycle facilities as far as cyber security is concerned. Over those five years, we've had various directions and approaches that we've taken, and hopefully the presentation today will kind of provide some detail on where we've been and hopefully where we're going. NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 9 And obviously, as we go through the presentation, if you've got questions, please let us know. So the agenda today, on slide two here, going to give you a quick overview of fuel cycle facilities. By that we mean just kind of a discussion of some of the, you know, to try to get a physical description of what a fuel cycle facility looks like, the different types of facility types that are out there. A lot of people at the NRC are familiar with the power reactors and don't have a lot of experience with fuel cycle facilities. So we like to give this kind of introduction to fuel cycle, just kind of get everybody thinking outside of the reactor box and into the fuel cycle world. After that, we're going to give a history of fuel cycle cyber security, give a quick overview of the draft proposed rule language, and then go into the draft regulatory guide which is the guidance document associated with the proposed rule language. So with that, oh there's a slide three, just some acronyms that we're using in the presentation. We intentionally tried to limit the use of acronyms which is very difficult for NRC Staff to do because we love our acronyms, but we've just got a NEAL R.