OW lzf~g / THE WESTERN AUSTRALIAN PARLIAMENT PARLIAMENTARY HISTORY PROJECT and - THE LIBRARY BOARD OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA J. S. BATTYE LIBRARY OF WEST AUSTRALIAN HISTORY Oral History Programme an interview with ROBERT HETHERINGTON 14 August 1986 MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL FROM 1977 conducted by Ronda Jamieson Oral History Officer Access - Open Reference number 0H1468 Verbatim transcript (1 hour 20 minutes in 2 x 60 tapes) State Library of IIIIIih!IIIiIIhihIIIllhII////iflh////////Jf/////:///i//f//////g,,////J 3 flu °7Q85 5 Q NOTE TO READER Readers of this oral history memoir should bear in mind that it is a verbatim transcript of the spoken word and reflects the informal, conversational style that is inherent in such historical sources. The Parliament and the Battye Library are not responsible for the factual accuracy of the memoir, nor for the views expressed therein; these are for the reader to judge. [ ] are used for insertions, not in the original tape. INDEX Ashley, J. 19 Legislative Council (continued) - reform of 2,9-15 Baxter, N. 22 - Select Committee on Berinson, J. 2,21,24 Govt Agencies 8-9, Bevan A. 9 13,14 Bryce, M. 8 - select committees 8-9 Burke, B. 8 13 Burke, E. 16 - voting in 6-7 Butler, T. 24 Legislative interests 2-3 5 Lewis, S. 23 Celtic Club 29 Liberal Party, Commonwealth Parl. Assn. 3 Parliamentary 4,7 Court, Sir Charles 5 McDonnell, Sir Richard 12 Dans, D. 24 MacKinnon, G. 5,21,23-25 Dowding, P. 21 Marquet, L. 9-10,19-20 Durack, Isobel 1 Masters, G. 24 Medcalf, I. 23,25 Mental Health 3 Electoral offices 8,25-27 Migrants 3 Ministry 2,9 Moore, N. 8-9,24 Fox, C.J. 16 Okely, B. 20 Gallagher, N. 8 Olney, H. 21,23 Griffiths, C. 16-19 Grill, J. 3 Parliament House 25-26 - bar 7-8 Health Services 3 - dining room 7-8 Helm, T. 24 - facilities in 26-30 Hoft, L. 19 Parliament of Western Australia Labor Party, Parliamentary 7-8,14 - backbench members 3 - Agriculture Committee 3 - change in 20-21 - caucus 6-7 - function of 16 - Deputy Leader 2 - Legislative Assembly - Education Policy Committee 2-3 see separate heading Labor Party, State 1,24 - Legislative Council Legislative Assembly 6,12 see separate heading Legislative Council - Members of 4,9 - Clerks of 18-20 - relations between - committee system 9-14,16 7-9,25-26 - debating and speaking in 4-7,17-18 - reform of 10,14 - dress in 17 see also under - election to 1-2 Legislative Council - Labor Party attitude to 2 Pearce, R. 3 - Leader of the House 5,18 - legislation in 14-15 - maiden speech in 3-4 Rape 3,5-6 - members of 21-25 Reid, G. 1 - politics in 5-7,14,22-25 Roberts, J.B. 18-19 - President of 17-18 - question time 21 ...2 2. Senate 1 Sexual assault legislation 3 Shadow ministry 2 SGIO 14 Tasmanian Legislative Council 2 Tonkin, A. 8 Tonkin Government 25 University of WA 1 INTRODUCTION This is an interview with Mr Robert Hetherington for the Parliamentary History Project and the Battye Library Oral History Programme. Born in South Australia in 1923, Mr Hetherington moved to Western Australia in 1967 to inaugurate the first year political science course at the University of Western Australia. He was elected to the Western Australian Parliament in 1977 for the Legislative Council Province of East Metropolitan which became South-East Metropolitan in 1981. Mr Hetherington was interviewed to provide background for the Parliamentary History Project and therefore only some aspects of his parliamentary experience were covered. His views on the Legislative Council and its reform were sought, together with details of the facilities and allowances available to members of Parliament in 1986, to provide a comparison with those of earlier periods. The interview was conducted on August 14, 1986 by Ronda Jamieson. There are two tapes. -.-j VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT - HETHERINGTON Robert Hetherington, born on the 8th of January e r 1923, the year of the Bruce Page Government, in Mount Gambi,Ø, - South Australia. RJ When did you come to Western Australia? HETHERINGTON I came to Western Australia in 1967. I was brought over here by the present Governor [Gordon Reid] to begin the first first year political science course at the University of Western Australia, after he became Professor of Politics in 1966. I ran the first year course until 1977 when I became a member of the Legislative Council, for East Metropolitan Province. RJ Why did you decide to go into politics? HETHERINGTON Well Isobel Durack told me it was disease, there's nothing you can do about it. I don't really know. I'd had yearnings to go into politics for many years. When I came over here I decided that it was too late to do so. I joined the Labor Party immediately, went to State Executive meetings regularly. Then in 1974 I got myself into certain trouble because I criticised the then Premier of the State and found that I had a certain following on the State Executive, and I decided then to stand for the Senate, which I did that year. The following year I got sixth on the ticket when five were elected, and fifth on the ticket when four were elected, and was then talked into going into the Legislative Council which I did, for a safe seat, which I wanted. RJ Why the Council? HETHERINGTON Because that was what was offered to me. I was too old - I was fifty-four when I came in, I was too old to be picky and choosy. It was my last chance if I was going to go into politics, and so I bought it. I didn't want to go into the Hetherington 2 Legislative Council. "Who wants to be in the Western Australian Legislative Council?" I said. But I was finally persuaded that I might be useful there. One of the ironies is that it was suggested to me that the talent was such that I would probably become a minister. In the Parliament afterwards two future ministers were elected who killed that ambition stone dead. So there you are. RJ Why was it seen as the unsuitable place to be, the Legislative Council? HETHERINGTON Nobody wanted to be in the Legislative Council in the Labor Party. It was gerrymandered; we had no majority. At that stage there were thirty members; we had nine of them. We were in permanent opposition, and we just regarded it as the worst House in Australia, except the Tasmanian Legislative Council. It was just not the kind of Council you wanted to be in. It was rock bottom as far as a Labor member is concerned. I know members of the Liberal Party think of it much more highly, but then they have every reason to. However I found it most interesting when I came in there, and of course as it's turned out, one might as well have been there as anywhere else I think, because it's a team effort. I hope we look as if we're going to reform the place this year, but that remains to be seen. RJ Why did you find it most interesting when you got there? HETHERINGTON Well I found it interesting because I was immediately thrown into the deep end. I was elected deputy leader of the Labor Party before I actually took my seat, and found that I was leading for the Party on a whole range of bills, in opposition, so I was talking all the time. I learnt a great deal, and in due course became shadow minister for education, and I learnt a great deal there too. I was also on the Education Policy Committee, and I was the convener of that after I was defeated as deputy leader in the following Parliament by Joe Berinson, and helped to rewrite the policy. I took up a couple Hetherington 3 of interests. One was the integration of handicapped children into schools. I managed to rewrite our policy and see it in operation under Bob Pearce as minister. I also went with him when he was shadow minister for women's interests, which I had been, to the Hobart Rape Conference, and then took up the cause of reforming the sexual assault legislation, which we did in our first Parliament. So that there are a whole range of other things. Now I'm on the Agricultural Committee, Julian Grill's Agricultural Committee. I've just come from a meeting. There are some issues there that are seizing my attention. There are a whole range of issues, where you can become involved. Sometimes by influencing ministers, influence results. I'd much rather be able to do it myself, but there are still things to do. At present I'm interested in getting more efficient trade from Western Australia, improving our agricultural industry if we can. I am interested in looking at the whole problem of mental health. [interruption for phone call] Be doing that shortly. In fact I am going on a Commonwealth Parliamentary Association trip, and I'm stopping at Rome to talk to a psychiatrist or two about what they're doing with the de-institutionalising of mental health there. I'm also concerned to improve health services and equality of participation in community life of migrant women. There are other things, but these are a few of the things that are interesting me. Backbench members can have some influence on social issues, and there are some very important ones in the community at present.