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HRG. 110–434 SERIAL 110–37 OVERSIGHT OF THE INVESTIGATION OF THE NASA INSPECTOR GENERAL JOINT HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON SPACE, AERONAUTICS, AND RELATED SCIENCES OF THE COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION UNITED STATES SENATE AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS AND OVERSIGHT OF THE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ON JUNE 7, 2007 Printed for the use of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation and the House Committee on Science and Technology ( U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 41–101 PDF WASHINGTON : 2008 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate Aug 31 2005 13:06 Jul 16, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 5011 Sfmt 5011 S:\WPSHR\GPO\DOCS\SCST607 SCOM1 PsN: JACKIE SENATE COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION DANIEL K. INOUYE, Hawaii, Chairman JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER IV, West Virginia TED STEVENS, Alaska, Vice Chairman JOHN F. KERRY, Massachusetts JOHN MCCAIN, Arizona BYRON L. DORGAN, North Dakota TRENT LOTT, Mississippi BARBARA BOXER, California KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON, Texas BILL NELSON, Florida OLYMPIA J. SNOWE, Maine MARIA CANTWELL, Washington GORDON H. SMITH, Oregon FRANK R. LAUTENBERG, New Jersey JOHN ENSIGN, Nevada MARK PRYOR, Arkansas JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware JIM DEMINT, South Carolina CLAIRE MCCASKILL, Missouri DAVID VITTER, Louisiana AMY KLOBUCHAR, Minnesota JOHN THUNE, South Dakota MARGARET L. CUMMISKY, Democratic Staff Director and Chief Counsel LILA HARPER HELMS, Democratic Deputy Staff Director and Policy Director CHRISTINE D. KURTH, Republican Staff Director and General Counsel KENNETH R. NAHIGIAN, Republican Deputy Staff Director and Chief Counsel SUBCOMMITTEE ON SPACE, AERONAUTICS, AND RELATED SCIENCES BILL NELSON, Florida, Chairman KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON, Texas, Ranking JOHN F. KERRY, Massachusetts TRENT LOTT, Mississippi BYRON L. DORGAN, North Dakota JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire MARK PRYOR, Arkansas (II) VerDate Aug 31 2005 13:06 Jul 16, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 S:\WPSHR\GPO\DOCS\SCST607 SCOM1 PsN: JACKIE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION BART GORDON, Tennessee, Chairman RALPH M. HALL, Texas, Ranking JERRY F. COSTELLO, Illinois Republican Member EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., LYNN C. WOOLSEY, California Wisconsin MARK UDALL, Colorado LAMAR SMITH, Texas DAVID WU, Oregon DANA ROHRABACHER, California BRIAN BAIRD, Washington ROSCOE G. BARTLETT, Maryland BRAD MILLER, North Carolina VERNON J. EHLERS, Michigan DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois, Vice Chairman FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma NICK LAMPSON, Texas JUDY BIGGERT, Illinois GABRIELLE GIFFORDS, Arizona W. TODD AKIN, Missouri JERRY MCNERNEY, California JO BONNER, Alabama LAURA RICHARDSON, California TOM FEENEY, Florida PAUL E. KANJORSKI, Pennsylvania RANDY NEUGEBAUER, Texas DARLENE HOOLEY, Oregon BOB INGLIS, South Carolina STEVEN R. ROTHMAN, New Jersey DAVID G. REICHERT, Washington JIM MATHESON, Utah MICHAEL T. MCCAUL, Texas MIKE ROSS, Arkansas MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida BEN CHANDLER, Kentucky PHIL GINGREY, Georgia RUSS CARNAHAN, Missouri BRIAN P. BILBRAY, California CHARLIE MELANCON, Louisiana ADRIAN SMITH, Nebraska BARON P. HILL, Indiana PAUL C. BROUN, Georgia HARRY E. MITCHELL, Arizona ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio CHARLES A. WILSON, Ohio ROBERT J. WITTMAN, Virginia SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS AND OVERSIGHT BRAD MILLER, North Carolina, Chairman F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., JERRY F. COSTELLO, Illinois Wisconsin, Ranking Republican Member EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas DANA ROHRABACHER, California DARLENE HOOLEY, Oregon DAVID G. REICHERT, Washington STEVEN R. ROTHMAN, New Jersey PAUL C. BROUN, Georgia BRIAN BAIRD, Washington RALPH M. HALL, Texas, Ex Officio BART GORDON, Tennessee, Ex Officio (III) VerDate Aug 31 2005 13:06 Jul 16, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 S:\WPSHR\GPO\DOCS\SCST607 SCOM1 PsN: JACKIE VerDate Aug 31 2005 13:06 Jul 16, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 S:\WPSHR\GPO\DOCS\SCST607 SCOM1 PsN: JACKIE C O N T E N T S Page Hearing held on June 7, 2007 ................................................................................. 1 Statement of Representative Feeney ..................................................................... 7 Prepared statement submitted by Representative Feeney for Hon. F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr., U.S. Representative from Wisconsin ................................ 7 Statement of Representative Gordon ..................................................................... 3 Statement of Senator Hutchison ............................................................................ 6 Statement of Senator McCaskill ............................................................................. 42 Statement of Representative Miller ....................................................................... 4 Statement of Senator Nelson .................................................................................. 1 WITNESSES Brian, Danielle, Executive Director, Project On Government Oversight (POGO) .................................................................................................................. 29 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 31 Carrington, Lance, Deputy Assistant Inspector General Investigations, Office of the Inspector General, U.S. Postal Service and Former Assistant Inspec- tor General for Investigations, NASA ................................................................ 21 Carson, Kevin J., Assistant Inspector General for Audits and Inspections, Office of Inspector General, Government Printing Office and Former Deputy Assistant Inspector General for Audits, NASA ................................................. 9 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 13 Cobb, Hon. Robert W., Inspector General, NASA ................................................. 53 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 55 Herzog, Debra, Senior Attorney, Office of Inspector General, U.S. Postal Serv- ice, and Former Deputy Assistant Inspector General for Investigations, NASA ..................................................................................................................... 17 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 19 Light, Dr. Paul C., Paulette Goddard Professor of Public Service, Robert F. Wagner School of Public Service, New York University .............................. 24 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 25 APPENDIX Donohue, Hon. Kenneth M., Inspector General, Department of Housing and Urban Development, prepared statement .......................................................... 79 Excerpts from Record of Investigation of Hon. Robert W. Cobb, Office of Inspector General dated August 30, 2006 .......................................................... 116 Excerpts from Semiannual Report, Office of Inspector General, NASA, dated April–September 30, 2004 ................................................................................... 112 Excerpts from transcript of interview of Hon. Robert W. Cobb, conducted by Office of Inspector General, Department of Housing and Urban Develop- ment, dated June 27, 2006 .................................................................................. 113 Grassley, Hon. Chuck, U.S. Senator from Iowa, prepared statement ................. 77 Letter, dated August 15, 2003, from Hon. Robert W. Cobb to Hon. Sean O’Keefe entitled ‘‘Subject: Observations on the Independence of the Colum- bia Accident Investigation Board’’ ...................................................................... 84 Policy and Procedures for Exercising the Authority of the Integrity Committee of the President’s Council on Integrity and Efficiency, dated April 24, 1997 .. 89 Quality Standards for Federal Offices of Inspector General, dated October 2003 ....................................................................................................................... 94 Report in the form of a letter, dated January 22, 2007, from James H. Burrus, Jr., Chair, Integrity Committee to Hon. Clay Johnson III, Chair- man, Integrity Committee, President’s Council on Integrity and Efficiency .. 136 Response to written questions submitted by Hon. Bill Nelson to Hon. Robert W. Cobb ................................................................................................................. 81 (V) VerDate Aug 31 2005 13:06 Jul 16, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 S:\WPSHR\GPO\DOCS\SCST607 SCOM1 PsN: JACKIE VerDate Aug 31 2005 13:06 Jul 16, 2008 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00006 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 S:\WPSHR\GPO\DOCS\SCST607 SCOM1 PsN: JACKIE OVERSIGHT OF THE INVESTIGATION OF THE NASA INSPECTOR GENERAL THURSDAY, JUNE 7, 2007 U.S. SENATE, SUBCOMMITTEE ON SPACE, AERONAUTICS, AND RELATED SCIENCES, COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS