P96 - Any Ideas on What It Is?

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phertest - April 3, 2013, 5:02 pm I was reading Nbullies blog and he suggests that P96 is a very good sleep aid. I was wondering whether it might alpha-thdoc. The reason is because I once wore a very complicated mix with roughly 40mcg's of a-thdoc... although I was a little tired after a few hours, I noticed some very lovey dovey faces on some of the girls.

It is my understanding that P96 is great with a314 and adds a romantic sort of vibe... which is what I believe was projected that day.

If not, what could it be? we have a few new molecules out and some of the summaries that are floating around are pretty dated.

Blade - April 3, 2013, 5:42 pm (04-03-2013 12:02 PM)phertest Wrote: I was reading Nbullies blog and he suggests that P96 is a very good sleep aid. I was wondering whether it might alpha-thdoc. The reason is because I once wore a very complicated mix with roughly 40mcg's of a-thdoc... although I was a little tired after a few hours, I noticed some very lovey dovey faces on some of the girls.

It is my understanding that P96 is great with a314 and adds a romantic sort of vibe... which is what I believe was projected that day.

If not, what could it be? we have a few new molecules out and some of the summaries that are floating around are pretty dated. P96 for me is like a cross between Beta Androstenol, A1 and TAC, probably the best single molecule I have ever used in terms of bonding and making a connection, more then likley it a designer molecule made directly for AD. phertest - April 7, 2013, 6:27 pm A designer molecule? how the... I'm not even going to try and imagine how they would come up with something like that!

... but considering their poor marketing strategy, and screwing with their best formulas, I find it kind of hard to believe. It would be more believable that they had their hands on an illegal steroid which they can't get anymore.

Have you tried P97? velinxs - April 7, 2013, 7:35 pm you know if someone was to cross reference steroid bans and the time they stopped selling them, could shorten the list of suspected pheromones for P-series? phertest - April 8, 2013, 4:15 am I wouldn't know where to begin with that... perhaps someone who knows which steroids might have pheromonal properties, and then doing research on each one. I would definitely help where I could. velinxs - April 8, 2013, 4:30 am could safely assume they all do, would more so look at which steroids have drastic pro-hormonal uses and were banned in recent times, likely our p96 n whatnot is on that list, or atleast derived from something listed as banned.

ill do some google searching after work tomorrow.

when was p96 discontinued? what other p series was discontinued and when? p86? polarvoid - April 8, 2013, 4:22 pm (04-07-2013 1:27 PM)phertest Wrote: Have you tried P97? P97 is brilliant with strong none - very dark/intriguing but its no P96. phertest - April 8, 2013, 5:39 pm I think Pago might be the man to ask about this... dexter - April 18, 2013, 12:02 am (04-07-2013 11:30 PM)velinxs Wrote: could safely assume they all do, would more so look at which steroids have drastic pro-hormonal uses and were banned in recent times, likely our p96 n whatnot is on that list, or atleast derived from something listed as banned.

ill do some google searching after work tomorrow.

when was p96 discontinued? what other p series was discontinued and when? p86? I agree. I've looked into it, but it's pretty convoluted. I've posted links to the laws that I've found that have been passed. The thing that is tricky is the laws say things that cover vague areas, like using verbage to say "or any molecule that is similar to these molecules" which is really just a power grab for the DEA to bust anybody they want. Just make sure you don't use too much Androsterone in florida where it is a Schedule III. That one is the kicker. velinxs - April 19, 2013, 11:53 am we just need to find someone who happens to have a laboratory / research facility / professional and have them start ordering from pharmaceutical suppliers

...we can dream, right?.

Blacky Chan - June 11, 2013, 7:47 pm Bump. Any one have any answers? dexter - June 11, 2013, 11:42 pm (04-19-2013 6:53 AM)velinxs Wrote: we just need to find someone who happens to have a laboratory / research facility / professional and have them start ordering from pharmaceutical suppliers

...we can dream, right?. I think that sounds like a brute force method. If you ever looked at what was available at sigmaaldrich.com that even looks like a steroid you'd say, "there is too much out there to try everything", especially when you are looking for just one molecule. Would you be able to find the "1" before some molecule melted your nose off, you know, bad reaction to some vague molecule.

I don't think any of the Pxxx molecules ever had concrete results, all pheromones have a somewhat etherial nature due to how it affects different individuals. Some of AndDir Pxxx could be different batches of the same molecule with different purity levels or different carrier scent additives with the same purity level.

So many different blind variables to find if you search in a brute force way.

I think you would need to have P96 to find out what P96 is. An analogy: How could you recognize Shakespear's plays without having read/seen one? You need some P96 in hand as a reference to compare to.

There are labs that will find out what is in P96, but the cost will be high in $$$. That wouldn't be hard to do, just hard to fit the bill. phertest - June 12, 2013, 7:13 pm Dexter, would you happen to know how much this might cost?

I think if its really that badly wanted and its not totally outrageous, some of us could get the money together.

Blade - June 12, 2013, 7:43 pm (06-12-2013 2:13 PM)phertest Wrote: Dexter, would you happen to know how much this might cost?

I think if its really that badly wanted and its not totally outrageous, some of us could get the money together. It's been done before and didn't work out to well plus you need to have some unscented p96, which is like chickens teeth to find. dexter - June 13, 2013, 8:29 pm (06-12-2013 2:13 PM)phertest Wrote: Dexter, would you happen to know how much this might cost?

I think if its really that badly wanted and its not totally outrageous, some of us could get the money together. i've never used p96, so I don't know what I'm missing. I've so many different mones, and AndDir has so many that haven't been in stock since late 2010 when I bought my first 'mones from them.

Of course when I add up how much I've spent on 'mones from AndDir and look at how much a test might cost, the test might be cheaper. But hey what a few thousand bucks right? I don't know the cost of the "test", only how much I've sent AndDir way over a few years.

I'm all for testing stuff, finding out what I'm putting on my skin that may have an affect on me. Don't want too much Estrogen soaking thru the skin and giving me a transdermally induced case of Gynocomastia. If you don't know what's in it, then it is a little like russian roullette. phertest - June 20, 2013, 7:13 pm Just in case you guys haven't noticed, XiSt by SteveO (or pheromoneXS) contains an ingredient called EpiAlloPregnanolone... the mix was based off Mustangs IBF mix which contained P96 as a core ingredient.

Since theres no reports or info on the molecule, I am curious... could it be... "the one" ?

Btw, since its openly labelled on the product, I'm pretty sure its reasonable to openly discuss this.

Blacky Chan - June 20, 2013, 8:27 pm (06-20-2013 2:13 PM)phertest Wrote: Just in case you guys haven't noticed, XiSt by SteveO (or pheromoneXS) contains an ingredient called EpiAlloPregnanolone... the mix was based off Mustangs IBF mix which contained P96 as a core ingredient.

Since theres no reports or info on the molecule, I am curious... could it be... "the one" ?

Btw, since its openly labelled on the product, I'm pretty sure its reasonable to openly discuss this. Excellent find. My biggest problem with AndDir is that their answer to discontinue. d molecules and mixes seems a little fishy. If they knew someone else could produce the same products they might be less likely to jack up prices and discontinue mixes. Anybody remember Panty scorcher mixes?

KIMBA - June 20, 2013, 9:14 pm That is actually what I thought P 96 was. Diane used it in her mix's and the same effects 96 had were often the missing piece of the puzzle to her mixes I could not quantify based on reports.

I would need to get my hand on some to test, and to know the purity, who they get it from, etc, as all variation could make some difference in the effects we see.

I think it is a VERY educated guess to call them close in effect.

My thinking behind it is, this is a list of what Diane put in her products:

Quote:Pheromones we use

Below is a list of the pheromones and putative pheromones we use in our blends. Many of these individual pheromones will be available again for sale to the consumer and pheromone enthusiast in pre-diluted spray form and as concentrates soon.

Specific Pheromones: Androstadienone Androstanone Androstenol, Alpha Androstenol, Beta Androsterone Androsterone, Epi Androsterone, Epi-S Androsterone-S DHEA DHEA-S Estratetraenol Estratetriendiol Estratetrienolone Etiocholanolone Pregnanolone Pregnanolone, Allo- Pregnanolone, Epi- Pregnanolone, Epi-Allo- Pregnanolone, Epi-Allo-S Pregnenolone Pregnenolone-S Tetrahydrocorticosterone (TH-DOC) Tetrahydro-dehydrocorticosterone, Allo- (Allo-TH-DOC)

Diane was also a LONG time Androntic Direct customer/tester and this is her synopsis of P's and Products (For all the men here, this is golden for knowing how things effect women):

https://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/dianes-phero-notes-25251.h tml

Diane Wrote:These are my compiled research notes based on my post searches and also based on my own and my husband's experimentation. Please feel free to add to this post, correct where needed and add your own experiences with any of these. Forgive me for not crediting anyone for the work you've done, which I've unashamedly stolen for the compilation below. You all have my gratitude as do each of those who continue to test, test, test, and report on these and other molecules.

Pheromones notes:

A314/m "â€œ Mixture, Androstenone, Androsterone, Alpha- and Beta-Androstenol, TAA to buffer; Alpha male, confident, trust me vibe. 18 Pheromones total "â€œ 80% Androsterone , 20% steering molecules. Gives wearer the aura of the true Alpha Male, induces trust from other males, leadership, cooperation. Calming, trusting, authority vibe.

Androstenol "â€œ Communications and connection family of pheromones, produced in fresh sweat in both men and women. Androstenol also creates an aura of youth and health, which can help to create an impression of reproductive fitness, which is attractive. "â€œnols have a short life span, 2-3 hours. An over dose (OD) of Androstenol can cause: headaches, a feeling akin to a kind of drunken tiredness; an impression of weakness (making you appear a lot less alpha).

Alpha androstenol makes most people exposed very chatty, expressive, and even giddy, similar to a glass or two of champagne. It creates a friendly approachably impression, and can make the wearer seem less intimidating and more approachable. It seems to be more of a neurotic chatty pheromone than the beta isomer, touching more on empathy and romantic feelings.

Beta "â€œAndrostenol promotes deeper connections and conversation and promotes honesty. At high doses (20-40 mcg) it can create an almost mystical or spiritual aura.

Androstadienone "â€œ component of male sweat, dubbed the "love"Â• pheromone because it induces cuddling and affectionate behavior in females. Also causes heightened feelings of elation and calm in females. Showed in studies to increase positive mood and prevent the increase in negative mood in women. Also, body states of sensuality and warmth (measured by a visual analog scale) were increased or maintained by this pheromone. Affects last 1 to 2 hours after exposure. Can cause a pretty nasty rebound effect.

Androstenone- Negative bad boy pheromone. Causes irritabiliy and agression and sexual desire. Has the ability to cause arousal in women during their ovulation. It also has the ability cause irritation, nervousness, and agression in both men and women. With age you can increase the dose up to 15mcg for ages 50+ due to the depletion of natural -none production. Over 5.0 mcg can cause OD, agitation in others, being ignored by others, or other unpleasant side effects.

Androsterone "â€œ purely masculine and dominant pheromone, peaceful dominant alpha male pheromone; mood elevating effect on women. Causes High Perceived Value in male. Booster for other pheromone signals. Main ingredient in A314 .

Cops "â€œ Long chain fatty acid pheromone secreted by vagina when near semen; increases testosterone production of nearby males by 130% usually within 10-20 minutes of exposure. Reported to enhance females' perceived sexiness and attraction value.

Essence of Woman "â€œ Essence of a Woman from Lovescent. Copulins.

Kitten's PS Bubble Gum "â€œ recipe: 10 drops Essence of Woman to 4.0 mL Aqualina Pink Sugar perfume mixed in 5.0 mL to go bottle; let sit for 4 hours to compost.

My version: Diane's Butterscotch Cops - 1 drop Essence of Woman per Spray Aqualina Pink Sugar in 5 mL to go bottle; let sit for two days. This smells really yummy without being quite so sugary. Husband loves it.

Instant Female Magic For Men "â€œ Can make men feel/seem less Alpha. Pick me up spray for irritable women. Reported to lighten the mood of women exposed to it.

Instant Honesty "â€œ Alpha and Beta "â€œ Androstenol (70% beta, 30% alpha); promotes depth, close feelings, intense rapport, secrets, bonding, and extreme intimacy in the right context.

Instant Openess - Alpha and Beta "â€œ Androstenol (70% alpha, 30% beta); promotes a quantity of conversion/chatter box, lightness, good feelings.

Instant Sexiness/A "â€œ TAL , cops and undisclosed pheromones.

Instant Sexiness/B "â€œ TAH, cops and undisclosed pheromones.

Instant Shine "â€œ TAA is the main ingredient, gives you an aura of youth and confidence. Also contains TAF and other pheromones.

Lust After Me - Alpha"â€œ Androstenol , Cops and other pheromones .

Methoxyestratetraenone - methoxy-estratetraenone"â€œ At 150 mcg = instant horniness. Female happy sauce when paired with TAF , P103 and beta -nol . At high doses it can cause mild, but pleasant muscle contractions. Men find it centering and calming. In women it causes a sensual slowing down of sensation and an intense appreciation for all physical stimulation. (Paired with P103 and TAF = best sex ever!)

MX 134 "â€œ TAL, Androstenone, Cops , Androstenols; gives aura of Alpha Female competence and leadership.

MX274 "â€œ TAA, P74 heavy social "â€œ attention and mood lifter, empathy and closeness.

MX282 "â€œ sexy social.

MX335 "â€œ TAA , TAH , P79 , TAF , TAL , Copulins, Androstenol plus others. 54.6875 mcgs per spray of 8 pheromones/molecules, total. TAH heavy. Center of Attention, Life of the Party social, sexy mix.

P74 "â€œ Promote empathy and attention.

P79 "â€œ Pheromone enhancer, intensifier, synergy; helps others speak their mind and act on their thoughts or feelings; also a mood and sensation intensifier, eliminates defeatest attitudes and negativity, grounded confidence "â€œ needs to be steered in appropriate way, since this will enhance any/all moods, including bad ones. Possible combo: P79+TAF+p93 to get things done. Also reported to have sexual vibe for some. Since it is an intensifier when paired with sex Pheromones it should do the trick. Very fickle molecule with instant changeability, so timing is crucial for wearing it.

P83 "â€œ chatty, sexy putative, known to diminish inhibitions, can make one nervous, but can be calmed with 4x P86 (1:4 ratio)).

P86 "â€œ Relaxing, Can be excessively sedating if not paired with something more aggressive. Kicks in at about 20 minutes. Can cause a "shallow Hal"Â• effect of making normally unattractive people very attractive. Causes brightening of the visual field, similar to TAA. High dosage can cause mild amphetamine-like reactions in some people.

P87 "â€œ Anti-depressant mood lifter. Causes lizard-like, complete emotional blunting, but intense focus on minute details. Very cerebral and very cold molecule.

P90 - this is a single molecule putative that causes extreme physical motivation to get things done. Great for large scale projects that don't require a huge amount of attention to detail, like clearing out closets, or straightening up the garage. Effects last 8 hours or more. Can cause sleeplessness.

P91 - Cheerful, loving, happy molecule. Small dose goes a long way.

P93 "â€œ this is a single molecule pheromone that causes group motivation and participation, and work supportive of the wearer (great with A314 ). More caffein like self effects reported from males, attractive for women. Paired with TAF this is an incredible molecule for focusing on tasks that need to get done, making one tirelessly obsessed with order and cleanliness without a single bit of irritation. Very nice nesting molecule. Reported to be arousing for some women.

P96 - this single molecule promotes cheerfulness and good humor.

P100 "â€œ focus and get things done, motivational, not irritated, just concentrating and getting it done, OCD deal closer for chores. Great paired with TAF for some. My personal experience is this is a little too much like an amphetamine and it has an extreme edginess and figgity feeling to it that I hate "â€œ too much like caffeine overdose. May be a sex-linked or genetic based difference, since others report only motivational effects.

P102 "â€œ up to 25.0 mcg promotes oral desires, like kissing. Between 25.0 and 50.0 mcg that desire turns to actual hunger for food. Increases non-visual sensuality, music appreciation.

P103 "â€œ Disinhibitor (37.5mcg), can be intoxicating and limiting to intellectual capabilities at doses higher than 25.0 mcg . Removes feelings of social isolation and inhibition. Can induce mindless happiness and total lack of censoring of conversation... but happily, rather than blurt out negative or damaging stuff. Can cause a nebulous, undefined hunger, if not sexually satisfied this turns into insatiable hunger for food.

P107 - causes amphetamine-like motivation. Can cause sleeplessness.

TAA "â€œ Single pheromone, reduces personal space, makes people feel better and brighten up, produces a fun, youthful, vibrant vibe. This pheromone has a short life span, 2-3 hours, but can be slowed down with the addition of lotion on top. Also known as "happy sauce"Â•. Main ingredient in Instant Shine, MX274. Also component of A314.

TAC "â€œ Calming, laid back, similar to P74 . High doses "â€œ unpredictable hilarity. Induces lower body relaxation, proported to enhance ability for women to orgasm; "cool, empty"Â• pheromone, not good paired with TAA or P74 . This pheromone is good for gym workouts, but will inhibit heart rate elevation quite a bit. Workouts, especially lower body and cardio are easier. Time moves faster. Causes some disorientation, forgetfullness, clumsiness. TAC is very cool, distant. Can make others seem cold and uncaring when used alone at high doses. Definitely a relaxant. Harmonizing in social mixes. Buffer for "â€œnone.

TAF "â€œ Single pheromone, focus attention to details, increases attention to small details, can cause spaciness at higher doses. Reduces social fear. Can cause jumpiness if too stimulated visually (not good for online gaming or intense visual stimulation). Encourages "stop and smell the roses"Â• sensuality.

TAH "â€œ Single pheromone, gives Marylin Monroe sexy kitten aura to women; enhances smell and social sensuous feelings in men (easy to OD men). Can cause disrespect from some men. Makes me a little to pouty when I wear it.

TAL "â€œ Single pheromone, gives Angelina Jolie sexy goddess aura to women. Can cause bitchiness at high doses.

Turn Up The Heat "â€œ Androstenone and buffering pheromones to attenuate the negative effects of Androstenone. Arrousing for women, causes intensity of sensation and focus for women during sex.

The problem is I am no chemist, and I would not mess with making my own batch to figure out P's. But through attrition, what molecules and families we know dont act like P96 and the seldom posts/findings on Epi I think it is safe to say thats what it is or it acts in a close manor. phertest - June 21, 2013, 12:21 pm Thanks for finding it, Kimba... I read it a while back but completely forgot about it.

So its settled then... I think we've cracked P96 -- or atleast something very similar to it. Its true, no matter what combination of friendly/status/sexual mones I've used, nothing seems to create the romantic vibe projected by XiSt. I haven't had the chance to try P96 so I didn't know why people wanted it so badly. If this is the case, I see why now...

I'd be interested in trying the other -preg- molecules but I have no clue how or where to source them.

KIMBA - June 21, 2013, 3:00 pm The good ones are cracked. 86, 83, 96, and such have close replacements. velinxs - June 22, 2013, 4:33 pm So why was it discontinued then if its still readily make-able? paradigmshift - June 22, 2013, 6:50 pm (06-22-2013 11:33 AM)velinxs Wrote: So why was it discontinued then if its still readily make-able? I dont know if we truly know what it is. And youre talking androtics. Noone really knows why its discontinued. pheronik - July 18, 2013, 4:56 am Nice to read this thread.

Must be tried to compare the effects. Does anyone knows source for EpiAlloPregnanolone?

I tried finding that on Chris' website but it is not there. Any idea guys ? phertest - July 18, 2013, 5:07 am I'd be very interested in getting it as a single too. SteveO just started offering singles, might ask him if he'd list it later.

TwistedOstrich - July 18, 2013, 8:21 am I have a precious bottle of p96 if there is something to compare it with ;) I would love to figure this one out...

phertest - July 18, 2013, 3:37 pm TO, have you tried XiSt? It seems we've come across something that may be p96 or very close to it from what Kimba said. If you've had experience with it, I'd probably give it a shot to see if you can pick out the vibe of it

(07-18-2013 3:21 AM)TwistedOstrich Wrote: I have a precious bottle of p96 if there is something to compare it with ;) I would love to figure this one out...

PheroPhiend - July 21, 2013, 6:30 am Interesting. Epiallopregnanolone (Alloepipregnanolone ) is supposed to be a synonym for Allopregnanolone, 5ÃŽÂ±-pregnan-3ÃŽÂ²-ol-20-one .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopregnanolone

TwistedOstrich - July 21, 2013, 6:47 am (07-18-2013 10:37 AM)phertest Wrote: TO, have you tried XiSt? It seems we've come across something that may be p96 or very close to it from what Kimba said. If you've had experience with it, I'd probably give it a shot to see if you can pick out the vibe of it Steve just released Dancing Jokers MX329 named XS111... That MX was made back when P96 and P86 were still around so I'm suspecting some fun Putatives from the past to be in this one... Wouldn't be surprised from the description of XiSt of what would be driving its effects.. phertest - July 24, 2013, 12:31 pm Very very interesting find guys - check this out. I've only used XiSt as I haven't had the opportunity to try P96 on its own... and very likely we wont either. However, I've been reading DancingJokers journal to try and find whats in his Loveboat mix, but came across this instead:

https://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-journals/djs-back-business-new-lab-journal-16210-5.html

Just take a look over it and also the results myself and a few others have been having using XiSt - the effects are described so well and articulately, it seems as if its almost word for word my experiences with it so far (if you've been reading over the 105a/XiSt threads recently).

Very compelling evidence to say the least scorpio69 - July 24, 2013, 8:15 pm (07-24-2013 7:31 AM)phertest Wrote: Very very interesting find guys - check this out. I've only used XiSt as I haven't had the opportunity to try P96 on its own... and very likely we wont either. However, I've been reading DancingJokers journal to try and find whats in his Loveboat mix, but came across this instead:

https://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-journals/djs-back-business-new-lab-journal-16210-5.html

Very compelling evidence to say the least P96 seems to be a beast. As I was reading DJ's journal I noticed his hits with it were immediate whereas the hits with Xist are from multiple exposure, right? phertest - July 25, 2013, 3:21 am You can tell hits from the first exposure... its not like the girls do crazy stuff, but there is just a vibe that they are seriously looking at you like "the one" and appear to have a crush on you. Which is easily steered in that direction... its very powerful. It also builds up over time (as DJ mentioned)... and is somewhat a "reset" to view you in a different light... and projects romance. All match DJ's reporting on p96. scorpio69 - July 25, 2013, 7:12 pm You're right phertest, I went through his journal again and he talks about the reset effect and a cumulative effect on others. Yeah, it pretty much reminds me of the effects that were described by others here from Xist. So we have reason to believe that Xist contains a good amount of P96 as a steering molecule.

By the way, have you found out yet what's in his Loveboat mix? I think he did not disclose it at Ptalk. dexter - July 25, 2013, 11:32 pm (07-24-2013 7:31 AM)phertest Wrote: Very very interesting find guys - check this out. I've only used XiSt as I haven't had the opportunity to try P96 on its own... and very likely we wont either. However, I've been reading DancingJokers journal to try and find whats in his Loveboat mix, but came across this instead:

https://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-journals/djs-back-business-new-lab-journal-16210-5.html

Very compelling evidence to say the least thanks, I think, I just had to go order XiSt because of this post. You guys suck. haha. because my money escapes me.

I remember I posted on another forum that Dancing Joker must be imaginary because he only gave the good stuff to Steve to try out, and steve said it was excruciatingly awesome, but nobody else ever got to give it a try. This may be my chance to eat my words. Or maybe they will "unmoderate" my post at "the other" forum. I was bummed that it was only up for 2 days, got nominated for post of the month, and then dissappeared into the black hole of censorship called "in moderation". I digress.... phertest - July 28, 2013, 7:07 am You wont be disappointed mayn!

That is plausible in the internet world, but regardless SteveO does have some kickass mixes. pheronik - August 30, 2013, 1:25 pm I'd love to hear about any source on Allo-pregnanolone - if that is P96.

Never used before but that is the one I *must* test.

So far Chris is not offering it as singles. mark-in-dallas - August 30, 2013, 2:14 pm (07-25-2013 6:32 PM)dexter Wrote: I remember I posted on another forum that Dancing Joker must be imaginary because he only gave the good stuff to Steve to try out, and steve said it was excruciatingly awesome, but nobody else ever got to give it a try. Well now, that's not quite true because a couple of years ago I had the chance to test Dancing Joker's "FPPX" mix in alcohol and oil versions, and yeah it was pretty damn good stuff.

Blade - August 31, 2013, 5:06 pm Ive had a bit of A revelation regarding P96 and thÃƒÂ© "reset" effect, Iv been testing it again as a single for the last few days. what I have noticed is that friends or family always start to reminisce about the good times we have had together over the years, and it seems like any bad times or arguments we may have had don't get a mention or seem insignificant, so things don't really reset them selves it's just that all the happy memories you have of someone bubble to the surface and all the bad ones get pushed right down to the bottom. This is my theory and that's why I see this molecule as essential for someone who has been friend zoned or someone trying to win their ex back. eibmoz - September 1, 2013, 7:39 am (07-21-2013 1:30 AM)PheroPhiend Wrote: Interesting. Epiallopregnanolone (Alloepipregnanolone ) is supposed to be a synonym for Allopregnanolone, 5ÃŽÂ±-pregnan-3ÃŽÂ²-ol-20-one .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopregnanolone

Level - September 1, 2013, 6:17 pm how much does it cost to have a sample tested for it's contents ? Im willing to donate some P96 to have it's secret uncovered... Level

Albion9 - September 2, 2013, 1:04 am (07-21-2013 1:30 AM)PheroPhiend Wrote: Interesting. Epiallopregnanolone (Alloepipregnanolone ) is supposed to be a synonym for Allopregnanolone, 5ÃŽÂ±-pregnan-3ÃŽÂ²-ol-20-one .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopregnanolone

However, what's mentioned in the Wikipedia article is a different molecule than Epi. Allopreg is actually 3a,5a-Tetrahydroprogesterone or allopregnan-3ÃŽÂ±-ol-20-one . The latter is the classic IUPAC name. It would be great to know precisely . 5ÃŽÂ±-pregnan-3ÃŽÂ²-ol-20-one is CAS 516-55-2 . allopregnan-3ÃŽÂ±-ol-20-one is a potent GABA modulator . When I was researching Erox and ER303-muricin aglycone...the new pheromone like molecule...I found out it was synthesized from one of the 5a-pregnan molecules. I'm no chemist so a lot of the technical stuff is lost on me. I did copy and paste that 5a-prenan compound into a search engine and found a company in the north east US that sells a LOT of different forms of this stuff. I'm just killing some time witch my phone now so I can't provide links but it wasn't difficult to find at all. I remember reading which one it was syntesized from...and ther are a LOT. Maybe some of the more

Albion9 - September 2, 2013, 1:11 am (09-01-2013 8:04 PM)Albion9 Wrote: When I was researching Erox and ER303-muricin aglycone...the new pheromone like molecule...I found out it was synthesized from one of the 5a-pregnan molecules. I'm no chemist so a lot of the technical stuff is lost on me. I did copy and paste that 5a-prenan compound into a search engine and found a company in the north east US that sells a LOT of different forms of this stuff. I'm just killing some time witch my phone now so I can't provide links but it wasn't difficult to find at all. I remember reading which one it was syntesized from...and ther are a LOT. Maybe some of the more Chemistry educated on the forum can make more sense of this. Sorry for the way this is posted. I'm not wearing my glasses and my phone has a mind of its own at times. All I know is that what you are saying about p96 sounds a lot like the results they got in the testing of muricin aglycone. They may not be the same but I would venture a guess and say they are very similar. phertest - September 2, 2013, 2:13 pm Level, would it happen to be unscented? I believe any fragrance would make it near impossible to analyze whats in it. I believe a cheaper route would be to confirm whether allopregnanolone is actually the same thing -- could be done by reputable member s of the forum if we knew where to buy it from.

Id really like to try it to add romance ro already amazing mixes.

Very interesting observation Blade. I mentioned something to that effect in the xist threads a while back.... it feels as id youve been forgiven because youre just that amazing of a person and all your good qualities are amplified... now that I have a good idea of how the product works, I believe it can be improved and tailored to many situations.

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Pagodeiro - September 2, 2013, 2:30 pm (09-01-2013 8:11 PM)Albion9 Wrote: Chemistry educated on the forum can make more sense of this. Sorry for the way this is posted. I'm not wearing my glasses and my phone has a mind of its own at times. All I know is that what you are saying about p96 sounds a lot like the results they got in the testing of muricin aglycone. They may not be the same but I would venture a guess and say they are very similar. I'd really like to know the source for such compounds ....

muricin aglycone .. is daaa shit ...

Pago phertest - September 2, 2013, 6:20 pm Pago, have you tried XiSt? I was curious of your thoughts on it if you have any I saw your post on ptalk, I think you may be pleasantly surprised if you gave it a shot.

Pagodeiro - September 2, 2013, 7:01 pm Several points speak against ordering with STEVE

Shipping is expensive .. 24 Dollars to Europe .. i get free shipping with Androtics .. with True Pheromones .. with Alpha Dreams .. with HAX .. and Garry only takes a few bucks .. and Love Scent has way lower shipping rates as well ..

only 2 weeks return policy ... that's the minium he has to offer by laws .. i get way more from nearly all other vendors ..

Evolve .. Ascend .. Flirt .. Vibe .. Bliss .. did not overly impress me .. ( Evolve is nice stuff .. but other mothers have more beautiful daughters )

AND ... i do not need to buy any stuff that is supposed to contain any P96 .. i have a full 30ml's 100mcg per spray bottle of P96 standing in my mone cabinet ..

AND .. i have allopregnanolone from Chris ... and that's not anywhere near to the effects of P96 .. the dosages you need do not fit as well ..

AND .. there is another product out there that really contains P96 .... and i'm not going to tell you peeps

Pago lefer58 - September 2, 2013, 7:23 pm [omanquote='Pagodeiro' pid='102197' dateline='1378148466'] Several points speak against ordering with STEVE

only 2 weeks return policy ... that's the minium he has to offer by laws .. i get way more from nearly all other vendors ..

Evolve .. Ascend .. Flirt .. Vibe .. Bliss .. did not overly impress me .. ( Evolve is nice stuff .. but other mothers have more beautiful daughters )

AND ... i do not need to buy any stuff that is supposed to contain any P96 .. i have a full 30ml's 100mcg per spray bottle of P96 standing in my mone cabinet ..

AND .. i have allopregnanolone from Chris ... and that's not anywhere near to the effects of P96 .. the dosages you need do not fit as well ..

AND .. there is another product out there that really contains P96 .... and i'm not going to tell you peeps :D

Pago [/quote]

Thanks Pago, your words are golden. This A314 is a Women Slayer. Any more suggestions would be appreciated brother. phertest - September 2, 2013, 7:46 pm Thanks for the tease Pago! well the actual molecule on the bottle says epiallopregnanolone, but I don't know any chemistry so I wouldnt know if its the same thing or not. If you're willing to sell some P96 I'll gladly be your first buyer

Also... I agree not all SteveO mixes live up to the hype for me. Evolve just makes me angry and get -none rage, and Ascend w/o cops doesn't get me respect or status. Maybe its just my chemistry. I feel too lazy with Bliss so I only use it for low energy tasks like watching TV with my girl

Pagodeiro - September 2, 2013, 7:51 pm

Thanks Pago, your words are golden. This A314 is a Women Slayer. Any more suggestions would be appreciated brother.

good guess 58

the product i'm talking about is not by Androtics ...

Pago lefer58 - September 2, 2013, 8:09 pm (09-02-2013 2:23 PM)lefer58 Wrote: [omanquote='Pagodeiro' pid='102197' dateline='1378148466'] Several points speak against ordering with STEVE

only 2 weeks return policy ... that's the minium he has to offer by laws .. i get way more from nearly all other vendors ..

Evolve .. Ascend .. Flirt .. Vibe .. Bliss .. did not overly impress me .. ( Evolve is nice stuff .. but other mothers have more beautiful daughters )

AND ... i do not need to buy any stuff that is supposed to contain any P96 .. i have a full 30ml's 100mcg per spray bottle of P96 standing in my mone cabinet ..

AND .. i have allopregnanolone from Chris ... and that's not anywhere near to the effects of P96 .. the dosages you need do not fit as well ..

AND .. there is another product out there that really contains P96 .... and i'm not going to tell you peeps

Pago

Thanks Pago, your words are golden. This A314 is a Women Slayer. Any more suggestions would be appreciated brother. [/quote]

Erox

Level - September 3, 2013, 2:53 am (09-02-2013 9:13 AM)phertest Wrote: Level, would it happen to be unscented? I believe any fragrance would make it near impossible to analyze whats in it. I believe a cheaper route would be to confirm whether allopregnanolone is actually the same thing -- could be done by reputable member s of the forum if we knew where to buy it from.

Id really like to try it to add romance ro already amazing mixes.

Sent from my GT-I9305T using Tapatalk 2 yes it is scented :-( eibmoz - September 3, 2013, 4:07 am I think Erox ER303 is Pregna-5,20-dien-3-ol (same as Molecule D2) or one the other Pregnadienes.

post: (05-26-2012 7:01 PM)Alpha Dream Wrote: Compounds related to pregnadienols or pregnadienones. I do not believe that ER 303 is the best that can come from this line of compounds. I think there may be found the holy grail of pheromones in this line of compounds. This article has mentions of THDOC, DHEA, DHEAS and allopregnanolone (3a,5a-tetrahydroprogesterone) which has synonym 3a-hydroxy-5a-pregnan-20-one, as PheroPhiend posted in wiki link.

So if Allopregnanolone is 3a-hydroxy-5a-pregnan-20-one, is it correct the epi/beta isomer would be 3b-hydroxy-5a-pregnan-20-one (epiallopregnanolone)?

Some good reading..or not.. ;) https://www.google.com/patents/WO1999045931A1?cl=en https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10951125 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2936666/

(06-22-2013 11:33 AM)velinxs Wrote: So why was it discontinued then if its still readily make-able? I think it was Tisha or Jasmine who said it was expensive and sold at a loss.

All so confusing.. look forward to trying XiST.

Albion9 - September 3, 2013, 3:56 pm (09-02-2013 9:30 AM)Pagodeiro Wrote: I'd really like to know the source for such compounds ....

muricin aglycone .. is daaa shit ...

Pago Pago,

I sent you a pm.

Later.

Ekscentra - September 3, 2013, 9:19 pm Pago, I assume you're referring to a certain product sold by HAX? ;)

PheroPhiend - September 3, 2013, 11:09 pm 3b-hydroxy-5a-pregnan-20-one / (3ÃŽÂ²,5ÃŽÂ±)-3-Hydroxypregnan-20-one seem to be identical. It would be better to look at the 3-d structure of the 3a, 5a and 3b, 5a and spin them on x, y and z. AURFZBICLPNKBZ-FZCSVUEKSA-N is a good identifier for the 3b, 5a dexter - September 4, 2013, 10:30 pm (08-30-2013 9:14 AM)mark-in-dallas Wrote: Well now, that's not quite true because a couple of years ago I had the chance to test Dancing Joker's "FPPX" mix in alcohol and oil versions, and yeah it was pretty damn good stuff. so dancing joker does exist, not just a myth. pheronik - September 6, 2013, 6:32 am

(09-02-2013 2:01 PM)Pagodeiro Wrote: AND .. i have allopregnanolone from Chris ... and that's not anywhere near to the effects of P96 .. the dosages you need do not fit as well ..

Pago That means Allopregnanolone is not P96 and muricin aglycone is ?

So what are difference in effects of allopregnanolone vs P96? phertest - September 16, 2013, 10:51 pm Just revisited this thread... muricin aglycone? This is definitely something ill look into. Unfortunately last I heard erox wasnt shipping internationally but Ill try pick some up elsewhere...

Thanks for the tip Pago

Sent from my GT-I9305T using Tapatalk 2 pheronik - September 17, 2013, 4:41 pm I'm trying to get some source for muricin aglycone. Please share if you find any.

Same here.

Cheers!

FrankJaeger - September 17, 2013, 8:33 pm (09-17-2013 11:41 AM)pheronik Wrote: I'm trying to get some source for muricin aglycone. Please share if you find any.

Same here.

Cheers! Erox has it in their product.

JAYCEE - September 18, 2013, 12:34 am Erox is nothing like P96 in my experience. With Erox I get nothing. With P96 I get hits through the glass at the drive thru teller.

MMM - September 18, 2013, 12:55 am (09-17-2013 7:34 PM)JAYCEE Wrote: Erox is nothing like P96 in my experience. With Erox I get nothing. With P96 I get hits through the glass at the drive thru teller. Hits through the glass at the drive thru teller!?!?!? As how many mcgs, J?

Free fries?

FrankJaeger - September 18, 2013, 7:44 pm (09-17-2013 7:34 PM)JAYCEE Wrote: Erox is nothing like P96 in my experience. With Erox I get nothing. With P96 I get hits through the glass at the drive thru teller. You'll have to take that up with Pago. He says otherwise in this thread and thinks Xist does not have any P96 in it (allopregnanolone). I just got some P96 and my Erox is on the way for some testing. How many mcg's of P96 should you start with? pheronik - September 19, 2013, 2:52 am Well but erox is a blend. I think we're all interested in P96 as single molecule.

on the other hand, I'm willing to believe that Androtics has made us believe that P96 is a single :s

It may be a blend. But until it is proved, the quest for P96 as a single molecule remains.

Pagodeiro - September 19, 2013, 12:02 pm Just to clarify ..

the product iÂ´m convinced that P96 is in is not made by Erox !

Pago phertest - September 19, 2013, 3:55 pm No worries Pago I know you probably spent a long time figuring it out so its cool to keep it under wraps.

Im wondering if it may be in the nude line since I've seen something of a reset. As in females who might not have paid attention to me before may become more receptive to advances. Just a wild guess though.

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FrankJaeger - September 19, 2013, 5:15 pm (09-19-2013 7:02 AM)Pagodeiro Wrote: Just to clarify ..

the product iÂ´m convinced that P96 is in is not made by Erox !

Pago So you just think that muricin aglycone is just a powerful putative that is similar to P96 in its effects or is it different altogether? Any hints on what you think P96 is? Many believe it's in Xist as allopregnanolone. Do you have any real P96 from AD that you'd like to part with? I got some P97 from you last year. It's possible that AD put more than one thing in P96, but the point of the putatives was for testers to add these to their own mixes and report back on the forums so AD could get some empirical data on it and incorporate it into their mixes. Putatives were all suppose to be single molecules. Isn't that right, Pago? I know you were a reporting user and got to try out a lot of cool stuff.

PheroPhiend - September 19, 2013, 6:44 pm I think you may find many of these Androtics' are mixed Alpha and Beta XYZ (fill in the blank) Sulfate. They will be hard to copy with a single CAS #. This is how pharmaceutical chemistry works in the real world. They don't need or want to make a single, pure molecule. The end result of the step wise synthesis may be mixed Alpha and Beta, or they may go further to isolate one or the other to a specified degree of purity (not 100%) depending on how much time, reagents, etc, the client will pay. Take a look at that film Lorenzo's Oil. They had to find one old codger in the world who could make a few ounces with many months of an experimental reaction. Nobody else would do it (or could). God, what I wouldn't give to see a research chemist on this board. Some of your top patent drugs (and common ones) are made exactly the way I described. I'd bet you could make 24 putative pheromones derived from androsterone. I'd bet they have but stopped p96, P86 and P93 because it cost to much or the materials were not obtainable or patent. Maybe the lab dude died and his private notes were unpublished.

Chris knows (or knew) a few things about chemistry. I wish he could get focused and stop the paranoia.

Jimmycrack - June 21, 2016, 11:23 pm well after a limited trial of batch of p96 bought recently and then subsequent review of posts, I can see why the hype and mystery is justified. I can happily position p96 and p130 and valuable items to have. I want to provide a broader test of p96 in different demographics but frankly I'm confident it is solid for what I use it for - smoothing out powerful none/rones. sunnyday - June 22, 2016, 9:42 am (06-21-2016 6:23 PM)Jimmycrack Wrote: well after a limited trial of batch of p96 bought recently and then subsequent review of posts, I can see why the hype and mystery is justified. I can happily position p96 and p130 and valuable items to have. I want to provide a broader test of p96 in different demographics but frankly I'm confident it is solid for what I use it for - smoothing out powerful none/rones. That's great. I like P96 too. What mcg per spray do you have and how many sprays do you normally use for 'smoothing out'? Thanks

Jimmycrack - June 22, 2016, 2:16 pm (06-22-2016 4:42 AM)sunnyday Wrote: That's great. I like P96 too. What mcg per spray do you have and how many sprays do you normally use for 'smoothing out'? Thanks 12.5 neroli 2x. dexter - June 24, 2016, 9:56 pm After reading this thread I tried some P96 and P130 to find some fun with the girlfriend 2 days ago, but it was such a mix that i can't attribute any effect to one or the other. I did use a 50mcg spray of each with about 20mcg of TAC and wow, now that i think of it, there was way too much mixed in. But i will pay more attention next time.

Jimmycrack - June 29, 2016, 2:02 am (06-24-2016 4:56 PM)dexter Wrote: After reading this thread I tried some P96 and P130 to find some fun with the girlfriend 2 days ago, but it was such a mix that i can't attribute any effect to one or the other. I did use a 50mcg spray of each with about 20mcg of TAC and wow, now that i think of it, there was way too much mixed in. But i will pay more attention next time. I hope I didn't mislead anyone on P96 and P130. I run this in conjunction with what I believe are high nones: AV and/or Alter Ego for men (which is a Androsterone/none mix with some nol). And the secret is the p96 not p130. I use the p130 to calm myself down. I wasn't using p96 and p130 solo.

For me the p96 and AV was winning. One odd thing was I found my t-shirt from the night I wore this. I didn't realize I hadn't washed it. Oddly the P96 seemed to have converted to a strong none like smell. It is possible it mixed with something but I wonder if it is a phero that converts over time.

One unexpected benefit: sleeping after p96 was a cake walk. Wondered if it was gabagenic - I'm sure there are past threads on this.

RedEyes - September 16, 2016, 3:59 pm Hi!

I have ordered a few mones from PheromoneXS, and ask if I can try out XSP96, but it was out of stock.. I check out PSX website today and see that SteveO have created more and its back on stock again

My question is: is this the same putative like from androtics direct?

and should i order P96 from PSX or AD ?

Thanks! ~Red~

Ekscentra - September 17, 2016, 6:41 pm It's the same putative.

RedEyes - September 18, 2016, 11:45 am (09-17-2016 1:41 PM)Ekscentra Wrote: It's the same putative. thanks for answer

Muad'Dib - November 21, 2016, 6:24 am What dosage is a typical one to order from Androtics?

BigDickBandit420 - November 21, 2016, 6:46 am (11-21-2016 1:24 AM)Muad'Dib Wrote: What dosage is a typical one to order from Androtics? I recommend 10 or 15MCG. 20 was good. 30 was my sweet spot that buffered 2 drops of A314 and one spray of IS x2. There were diminishing returns from 20 to 30, but worth it.

It created a dream like trance where everyone would want to get along. I would say it enhanced my natural charisma.

Muad'Dib - December 14, 2016, 5:06 am (11-21-2016 1:46 AM)BigDickBandit420 Wrote: I recommend 10 or 15MCG. 20 was good. 30 was my sweet spot that buffered 2 drops of A314 and one spray of IS x2. There were diminishing returns from 20 to 30, but worth it.

It created a dream like trance where everyone would want to get along. I would say it enhanced my natural charisma. Thanks!

Muad'Dib - March 9, 2017, 7:21 pm So only Steve knows what P96 is. It would really suck if it was just purified urea, and we're all just spraying someones' pee on ourselves. I guess that would be Pee96? james mathers - March 10, 2017, 5:02 am Where did u get this urea idea from? Lol....funnily enough i think i smelled like urine the higher the dose i had of p96. heey85 - May 9, 2017, 2:15 pm Question!... AD offering P96 at the moment... has anyone tested if it is the same as what it was before...

BigDickBandit420 - May 9, 2017, 4:37 pm (05-09-2017 9:15 AM)heey85 Wrote: Question!... AD offering P96 at the moment... has anyone tested if it is the same as what it was before... 3 or 4 months ago I bought p96 spray stealth. The Neroli scent had more of a aromatherapy impact then I thought, but it's still the same. james mathers - May 10, 2017, 1:05 pm it seems to work ok, nothing magical though. As others on here have mentioned, many of there products were supremely effective between 2007-2011. I had amazing hits off Ammo original version [Nautica Competition scent] and original IS, IH, A314 etc back in the day.....even my current TUH cannot be compared with say the 2009 version. My 2008 Instant Female Magic [A1] appeared far more crushy and far more effective than current A1 products. My number 1 selfies mix was IS/Ammo. Alas, the same 2017 combo does not work quite the same.

Scottie2Hottie - June 24, 2017, 9:39 pm Regarding the discussion about EpiAlloPregnanolone being P96, according to SteveO it's P102, not P96. I think he also uses EAP in XiSt as part of the reset function. I've tested P102 but can't confirm this. But I also never would have expected it nor noticed it functioning in this manner. Not sure that 5 ml is enough to trigger reset anyway. I still have a little bit left from my sample but not enough to efficaciously determine if it has reset capabilities.

I've never used P96 from AD but have tested xsp96 from PXS. It seems to smooth out a mix nicely. Adds a nice bonding/comfort element. I find I can use rather high doses (e.g., 25 mcg) of xsp75 with it in the mix.

I realize none of you know me unless you were on PheroTalk a decade ago and expect that you'll take my post with a grain of salt. I have no problem with that. I mainly come here to do research and educate myself. I'm just trying to share what little I know.

Ekscentra - June 25, 2017, 12:51 am (06-24-2017 4:39 PM)Scottie2Hottie Wrote: I realize none of you know me unless you were on PheroTalk a decade ago and expect that you'll take my post with a grain of salt. I have no problem with that. I mainly come here to do research and educate myself. I'm just trying to share what little I know. I thought the name sounded familiar. I've seen quite a few of your posts browsing through the archives on PTalk. In addition, there are a few long-time PT veterans on here who may recall you (Snoopyace, Paradox, and Dssmaster). Welcome aboard.

Scottie2Hottie - July 24, 2017, 11:30 pm Sorry Eksentra I just now saw your post. Thanks for the welcome.

Jiberjamer - July 23, 2018, 5:05 am Bump!

VishRemma - July 23, 2018, 5:26 pm (05-10-2017 8:05 AM)james mathers Wrote: it seems to work ok, nothing magical though. As others on here have mentioned, many of there products were supremely effective between 2007-2011. I had amazing hits off Ammo original version [Nautica Competition scent] and original IS, IH, A314 etc back in the day.....even my current TUH cannot be compared with say the 2009 version. My 2008 Instant Female Magic [Androstadienone ] appeared far more crushy and far more effective than current Androstadienone products. My number 1 selfies mix was IS/Ammo. Alas, the same 2017 combo does not work quite the same.

I'm really at a loss as to what's changed in this industry. Not just Androtics, a lot of other companies also. The products in general appear to be less effective imo. Maybe i just got older and uglier? Lol, it could be as simple as that, but there are some conspiracy theories out there. Were certain strains and batches of Androstenone and Androstadienone used back then perhaps too effective and too powerful, and thus prohibited by some American legal entity? Not the molecules itself, but super potent/effective strains of it. Did those with money, power and influence, get wind of it's efficacy and buy up all the best juice off these companies at inflated prices a few years ago? What do the elite or Hollywood celebrities know of this? Not sure, and perhaps this is a far fetched notion, but the lazy man hits used to come thick and fast back when Androtics/MHarris were kings in this industry. Not sure i'm getting the same results now. Hi James, Not sure about conspiracy theories, but it is obvious that certain mixes have changed over the years. The obvious, bell weather case is A314 from Androtics. It was the first phero I ever bought back in 2011. The hits and other effects were many, varied, and dramatic. I was dumbfounded. Lazy mans hits galore. Chicks opening me. Kino like crazy. Then my truck got broken into, and they stole my stash. Had to wait a few months to get a new bottle. It was good but not the same. It was obvious.

There has been a lot of speculation on this board and others that some key ingredient was banned and not available anymore. Steroid or some such thing. AD tried to replace it with something and it hasnt worked as well. End of that story.

The good news is that there are many good products available from other vendors, and some guys are trying to replicate the original A314. Dig in and do some reading here and you can find info on these. I look forward to the day where we have a A314 knockoff that works as good. Hope springs eternal.

Rcount - June 19, 2019, 10:39 pm (09-01-2013 1:17 PM)Level Wrote: how much does it cost to have a sample tested for it's contents ? Im willing to donate some P96 to have it's secret uncovered... Level

+1, i have some from pxs so we could compare it

Quote: Pheromones we use

(06-20-2013 4:14 PM)KIMBA Wrote: That is actually what I thought P 96 was. Diane used it in her mix's and the same effects 96 had were often the missing piece of the puzzle to her mixes I could not quantify based on reports.