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NATIONAL CAPITAL PLANNING COMMISSION

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COMMISSION MEETING

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OPEN SESSION

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THURSDAY, MAY 6, 2021

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The meeting convened via Videoconference, at 1:00 p.m. EDT, Beth White, Vice Chairman, presiding.

NATIONAL CAPITAL PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT:

VICE CHAIR BETH WHITE, Presidential Appointee LINDA ARGO, Mayoral Appointee EVAN CASH, Office of the Chairman of the Council of the District of Columbia LENA CHANG, U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs ARRINGTON DIXON, Mayoral Appointee WENDY GINSBERG, U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Government Reform PETER MAY, Department of the Interior PAUL McMAHON, Department of Defense JENNIFER STEINGASSER, Office of the Mayor of the District of Columbia ANDREW TRUEBLOOD, Office of the Mayor of the District of Columbia MINA WRIGHT, General Services Administration DIANE SULLIVAN, Director of Urban Design and Plan Review

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NCPC STAFF PRESENT:

MARCEL C. ACOSTA, Executive Director JULIA KOSTER, Secretary to the Commission ANNE SCHUYLER, General Counsel

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CONTENTS

Commission Roll Call ...... 4

Elect Commissioner to Run the Open Session . . . . 8

Report of the Vice Chair ...... 10

Report of the Executive Director ...... 12

Legislative Update ...... 14

Consent Calendar Items - No Presentation . . . . .15

Smithsonian Institution Museum Support Center - Pod 6

Jamie L. Whitten Federal Building Public Gathering Area Security Plan Modification

Action Item - With Presentation

National Capital Planning Commission Submission Guidelines Update ...... 18

Presentation - Matthew Flis...... 18

Information Presentations

National Capital Region Facilities Outreach Initiative...... 35

Baltimore-Washington Superconducting ...... 58

Adjourn...... 98

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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S

2 1:01 p.m.

3 VICE CHAIR WHITE: So, good afternoon,

4 everyone, and welcome to the National Capital

5 Planning Commission's May 6th, 2021 public

6 meeting.

7 COMMISSION ROLL CALL

8 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Our first order of

9 business, Ms. Koster, could you please take the

10 roll call?

11 SECRETARY KOSTER: Certainly.

12 Commissioner Steingasser?

13 COMMISSIONER STEINGASSER: Here.

14 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner

15 McMahon? Commissioner McMahon?

16 COMMISSIONER McMAHON: I am here. I'm

17 here.

18 SECRETARY KOSTER: Thank you.

19 Commissioner May?

20 COMMISSIONER MAY: Yes. Here.

21 SECRETARY KOSTER: Thank you.

22 Commissioner Argo?

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1 COMMISSIONER ARGO: I am here.

2 SECRETARY KOSTER: Thank you.

3 Vice Chairman White?

4 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Present.

5 SECRETARY KOSTER: Thank you.

6 Commissioner Wright?

7 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: Here.

8 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Dixon?

9 COMMISSIONER DIXON: Here.

10 SECRETARY KOSTER: Thank you.

11 Commissioner Cash?

12 COMMISSIONER CASH: Here.

13 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Chang?

14 (No response.)

15 All right. And, Commissioner

16 Ginsberg?

17 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: Here. I'm

18 here.

19 SECRETARY KOSTER: Okay.

20 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: Trying to be

21 here.

22 (Laughter.)

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1 SECRETARY KOSTER: Trying to be here.

2 All right.

3 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: Trying.

4 (Laughter.)

5 COMMISSIONER CHANG: Lena is here,

6 too. Lena Chang.

7 SECRETARY KOSTER: Oh. Thank you.

8 COMMISSIONER CHANG: Sorry, I'm just

9 not used to being called "Commissioner".

10 (Laughter.)

11 SECRETARY KOSTER: All right.

12 COMMISSIONER CHANG: I'm like, Who is

13 that?

14 (Laughter.)

15 SECRETARY KOSTER: All right. So,

16 Vice Chairman White, you have a quorum.

17 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

18 Well, noting the presence of a quorum,

19 I'd like to call this meeting to order.

20 Today's meeting is, of course,

21 livestreamed and will be available in a few days

22 as a video on NCPC's website.

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1 If there's no objection, the agenda is

2 adopted as the order of business.

3 And at this time, we would like to

4 play a short video clip of the Pledge of

5 Allegiance.

6 (Video played.)

7 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

8 I would also like to pause for a

9 moment of silence for all of those affected by

10 COVID-19 in our nation and around the world.

11 (Moment of silence.)

12 VICE CHAIR WHITE: In response to the

13 COVID-19 guidance on public gatherings, NCPC will

14 conduct its meetings online until circumstances

15 change.

16 And I want to share how we will be

17 conducting Commission business today. Votes by

18 the Commission will be conducted by roll call.

19 When Commissioner's wish to be recognized, they

20 should unmute, turn on their web cams, and

21 request to be recognized.

22 During Commission deliberations, I

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1 will use a round-robin format to ask each

2 Commissioner if they have any questions or

3 comments.

4 During deliberations, all

5 Commissioners should be on video during that

6 time, if you're able, unless you're experiencing

7 technical issues, of course.

8 When you wish to put forward a motion,

9 a second, or an amendment, please unmute,

10 identify yourself, and make the motion.

11 ELECT COMMISSIONER TO RUN THE OPEN SESSION

12 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Before we proceed

13 with the rest of the agenda, in the absence of a

14 Chair, the Commission must nominate and vote on

15 who should run the meeting, which is the second

16 agenda item. Is there a motion to nominate a

17 Chair?

18 COMMISSIONER MAY: Madam Chair, I

19 would nominate -- I'm sorry -- Madam Vice Chair,

20 I would nominate you to chair the meeting.

21 COMMISSIONER DIXON: I second.

22 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

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1 There's a motion and a second.

2 Secretary Koster, do you want to call

3 the roll?

4 SECRETARY KOSTER: You bet.

5 The motion was made by Commissioner

6 May and seconded by Commissioner Dixon, I

7 believe.

8 So, with that, Commissioner

9 Steingasser?

10 COMMISSIONER STEINGASSER: Yes.

11 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner

12 McMahon?

13 COMMISSIONER McMAHON: Yes.

14 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner May?

15 COMMISSIONER MAY: Yes.

16 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Argo?

17 COMMISSIONER ARGO: Yes.

18 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner -- or

19 excuse me -- Vice Chairman White?

20 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Yes.

21 SECRETARY KOSTER: Okay. Commissioner

22 Wright?

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1 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: Yes.

2 SECRETARY KOSTER: Okay. Commissioner

3 Dixon?

4 COMMISSIONER DIXON: Yes.

5 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Cash?

6 COMMISSIONER CASH: Yes.

7 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Chang?

8 COMMISSIONER CHANG: Yes.

9 Okay. And, Commissioner Ginsberg?

10 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: Yes.

11 SECRETARY KOSTER: I believe that was

12 all affirmative.

13 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: That was

14 definitely a "yes," yes.

15 (Laughter.)

16 SECRETARY KOSTER: Okay.

17 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Well, the ayes have

18 it. Thank you, Fellow Commissioners, for

19 electing me to run this online meeting.

20 And welcome, Commissioner Chang, to

21 the meeting. We're happy to have you today.

22 REPORT OF THE CHAIR

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1 VICE CHAIR WHITE: So, Agenda Item 3

2 is the Report of the Vice Chair.

3 And I want to let everyone know, at

4 its meeting of October 3rd, 2019, NCPC reviewed a

5 proposed addition to the Korean War Memorial

6 consisting of a Wall of Remembrance inscribed

7 with the names of the American Armed Forces and

8 Korean Augmentation Troops who died during the

9 Korean War.

10 Mr. Hal Barker provided testimony to

11 the Commission on the extensive research

12 conducted by Mr. Barker and his brother to ensure

13 a complete and accurate list of names for the

14 wall. Unfortunately, during the Commission

15 meeting, comments were made that called into

16 question the motives for the work undertaken by

17 Mr. Barker and his brother.

18 The Commission values the comments it

19 receives from the public, and it is our

20 responsibility as Commissioners to treat the

21 public with dignity and respect. And on behalf

22 of the Commission, I want to apologize to Mr.

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1 Barker and his brother for the comments made

2 publicly regarding the motives for their work.

3 In so doing, I want to note that Mr.

4 Barker and his brother have been working on this

5 project as private citizens for a long time. And

6 as he has made clear in his communications with

7 NCPC staff, he and his brother never had any

8 intend to receive financial remuneration for the

9 work.

10 I commend Mr. Barker and his brother

11 for their civic contribution to the Korean

12 Memorial, and on behalf of the Commission, I want

13 to thank them for their work as well.

14 REPORT OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

15 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Agenda Item No. 4

16 is the Report from the Executive Director, Mr.

17 Acosta.

18 MR. ACOSTA: Thank you, Madam Chair.

19 Looking to future Commission meetings,

20 our June and July meetings look very busy.

21 For June, the Commission will likely

22 review NASA's Goddard Space Center Master Plan;

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1 the Park Service's Wolf Trap Performance Arts

2 Master Plan; the FDR Prayer Plaque at the World

3 War II Memorial, and information presentations on

4 the status of the Hirshhorn Sculpture Garden

5 design and the Pennsylvania Avenue Initiative.

6 We also expect that the Commission will conduct

7 its federal review of the District's

8 Comprehensive Plan, once the D.C. Council

9 transmits the amendments to NCPC.

10 The facility has also installed a

11 mockup to the proposed stacked stone wall to the

12 Hirshhorn Sculpture Garden for public viewing.

13 If possible, we encourage Commissioners to see

14 the wall in person before our June meeting.

15 Staff will create a short video of the mockup for

16 those who cannot view it in person. We'll follow

17 up with details in an email.

18 Finally, depending on local COVID

19 guidance at that time, we are planning on a

20 Commission field trip for Wednesday, September

21 1st, to visit the Beltsville Air Postal Center,

22 the proposed site of the Bureau of Engraving and

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1 Printing, and the FDA Muirkirk Campus. So, more

2 information will be provided in the coming

3 months.

4 And that concludes my presentation.

5 You have a report in your packets, and I'll be

6 happy to answer any questions that you might

7 have.

8 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you, Mr.

9 Acosta. It does sound like a busy summer.

10 Does the Commission have any questions

11 for Mr. Acosta?

12 (No response.)

13 LEGISLATIVE UPDATE

14 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Hearing none,

15 Agenda Item No. 5 is the Legislative Update. Ms.

16 Schuyler?

17 MS. SCHUYLER: Thank you, Madam Vice

18 Chair. I have nothing to report today.

19 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

20 Does the Commission have any questions

21 for Ms. Schuyler?

22 (No response.)

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1 CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS

2 SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION MUSEUM

3 SUPPORT CENTER - POD 6

4 JAMIE L. WHITTEN FEDERAL BUILDING PUBLIC

5 GATHERING AREA SECURITY PLAN MODIFICATION

6 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Hearing none,

7 Agenda Item No. 6, Consent Calendar.

8 There are two Consent Calendar items

9 on this month's agenda.

10 The first is for approval of final

11 site and building plans for the Smithsonian's

12 Institution Museum Support Center - Pod 6 --

13 that's a mouthful -- submitted by the Smithsonian

14 Institution.

15 The second is for approval of

16 preliminary and final site development plans for

17 the Jamie L. Whitten Federal Building Public

18 Gathering Area Security Plan Modification,

19 submitted by the United States General Services

20 Administration.

21 Are there any questions from the

22 Commissioners regarding the Consent Calendar

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1 items?

2 (No response.)

3 Hearing none, is there a motion to

4 approve the Consent Calendar?

5 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: So moved. This

6 is Commissioner Wright.

7 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you,

8 Commissioner Wright.

9 Is there a second?

10 COMMISSIONER ARGO: I second. This is

11 Commissioner Argo.

12 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Commissioner Argo,

13 thank you for seconding the motion.

14 Ms. Koster, can you please confirm the

15 motion and the second, and take the vote by roll

16 call?

17 SECRETARY KOSTER: Yes. Commissioner

18 Wright made the motion. Commissioner Argo

19 seconded.

20 And with that, Commissioner

21 Steingasser?

22 COMMISSIONER STEINGASSER: Yes.

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1 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner

2 McMahon?

3 COMMISSIONER McMAHON: Yes.

4 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner May?

5 COMMISSIONER MAY: Yes.

6 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Argo?

7 COMMISSIONER ARGO: Yes.

8 SECRETARY KOSTER: Vice Chairman

9 White?

10 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Yes.

11 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner

12 Wright?

13 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: Yes.

14 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Dixon?

15 COMMISSIONER DIXON: Yes.

16 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Cash?

17 COMMISSIONER CASH: Yes.

18 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Chang?

19 COMMISSIONER CHANG: Abstain.

20 Okay. And, Commissioner Ginsberg?

21 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: Abstain.

22 SECRETARY KOSTER: All right. The

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1 motion carries with 2 abstentions.

2 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

3 ACTION ITEM - WITH PRESENTATION

4 NATIONAL CAPITAL PLANNING COMMISSION

5 SUBMISSION GUIDELINES UPDATE

6 VICE CHAIR WHITE: The only action

7 item today is Agenda Item 7A, to approve an

8 update to submission guidelines for the National

9 Capital Planning Commission.

10 Presenting today will be Mr. Flis, and

11 we look forward to the presentation. I know this

12 has been a great deal of work, and I appreciate

13 what's gone into it. So, we're eager for your

14 presentation.

15 MR. FLIS: Great. Thank you.

16 Can you see my presentation?

17 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Yes.

18 MR. FLIS: Okay. Great.

19 Well, good afternoon, Members of the

20 Commission.

21 Today, staff is requesting your

22 approval of some updates to the Submission

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1 Guidelines. These changes are really focused on

2 clarifying the requirements for concept reviews

3 of master plans and, also, providing some

4 additional details about the purpose of

5 information presentations.

6 So, after some recent discussions

7 about increasing Commission involvement in

8 coordination with our federal partners, we're

9 always looking at ways to improve the review

10 process by providing some better opportunities

11 for that early interaction to occur. This update

12 to the Guidelines is one step, and later today,

13 Ms. Free will talk about our new engagement and

14 outreach efforts with federal facilities as part

15 of another tool we're looking to use.

16 So, just a reminder, the applicant

17 agencies submit development proposals to NCPC

18 following the process that's laid out in the

19 Commission Guidelines. These Guidelines describe

20 the content of submissions, the submission

21 stages, along with the coordination and review

22 process.

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1 The current Guidelines were adopted by

2 the Commission in 2017, and we've had several

3 topic-specific updates since that time, including

4 those regarding transportation, tree protection

5 and replacement, and then, most recently, you'll

6 recall the Antenna Guidelines update just several

7 months ago.

8 So, the current Guidelines do refer to

9 a Concept Master Plan review stage today, but

10 they do not provide the details regarding the

11 submission requirements, similar to other review

12 stages. So, today's update will fill that gap in

13 information and provide additional clarification

14 about when a Concept Master Plan might be

15 appropriate to consider.

16 The concept review stage occurs before

17 the draft review. So, you can see that here on

18 the screen. In general, the concept review

19 enables the Commission to provide early input on

20 the general consistency of the plan with NCPC

21 policies and feedback on the general layout, the

22 type of development, land uses, et cetera. So,

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1 at this stage, we're really talking about general

2 placement, basic height, circulation, and access

3 -- all at a relatively high level.

4 This stage of review, again, helps

5 identify potential issues as early as feasible

6 and prior to further development of that Draft

7 Master Plan. So, again, this is a way to help

8 support that early coordination.

9 So, at the concept review stage, the

10 Commission has focused on issues such as: is the

11 concept consistent with the NCPC Comprehensive

12 Plan and other policies? Are there particularly

13 unique or complex issues? And perhaps most

14 importantly, if more than one alternative is

15 under consideration, are there meaningful

16 differences or preferences from NCPC's

17 perspective?

18 This is really one of those key

19 aspects of the concept review when the Commission

20 can provide comments on these alternatives to

21 help provide guidance to the applicant.

22 This is also important when NCPC has

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1 a NEPA responsibility, and both the applicant and

2 the Commission must ultimately align on the

3 preferred alternative. So, doing this early

4 before getting too far down the road is really

5 important.

6 So, the Commission has reviewed

7 several Master Plans at the concept review stage,

8 including the recent St. Elizabeths Master Plan

9 Amendment, as well as the South Mall Campus

10 Master Plan. These reviews were helpful in

11 allowing the Commission to provide comments early

12 on alternatives before more detailed Draft Master

13 Plans were prepared, and they were helpful to

14 sort out some of those bigger planning issues,

15 like placement, height, and massing, again,

16 earlier in the process.

17 Again, the current Guidelines do refer

18 to a Concept Master Plan stage, but they don't

19 have the details regarding the submission

20 requirements. So, that is what the purpose of

21 today's update is.

22 So, after we first drafted these

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1 updates, staff did reach out to several applicant

2 agencies that have recently submitted Master

3 Plans, including GSA, the Navy, and the

4 Smithsonian. In general, their major comments

5 related to understanding the purpose of concept

6 reviews and how to determine if such a review is

7 necessary. In particular, the agencies asked

8 that the Guidelines provide better parameters for

9 determining when to use the concept review to

10 provide more certainty in the process, to avoid

11 surprises, particularly to the schedule or

12 budget.

13 So, based on these comments, staff did

14 revise the proposed language, and it's the

15 language that's before you today. In particular,

16 we clarified that the Concept Master Plan review

17 stage is not mandatory. In addition, NCPC staff

18 will work with the applicant during the pre-

19 submission stage to jointly determine if a

20 concept review would be helpful or not. Again,

21 this is to help allow applicants to plan ahead.

22 We've also added examples of plans

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1 where a concept review may be suggested and/or

2 beneficial. These, again, give applicants an

3 idea about what might qualify for a concept

4 review. So, for example, this might include new

5 or greenfield sites where there's no existing

6 Master Plan; plans that are substantially out-of-

7 date or where there are substantial changes in

8 the program, or situations where applicants,

9 again, are seeking Commission feedback on

10 distinct alternatives. Again, we think these all

11 might benefit from a concept review, but we will

12 work with applicants to discuss that at the pre-

13 submission stage.

14 So, moving on to another topic of this

15 update, we've also added a description of

16 information presentations as part of this update.

17 This is intended to provide some clarification as

18 to the purpose of information presentations,

19 which are distinct from the formal review stages,

20 which are described in the rest of the

21 Guidelines. So, again, this is not a

22 requirement. This is just to provide some

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1 information to the applicant and the staff, and

2 also, to provide some guidance to staff.

3 Generally, information presentations

4 are reserved for introducing larger, complex

5 projects before formal submission is made to the

6 Commission or to provide an update on specific

7 topics related to projects that the Commission

8 has already reviewed. I think the example of

9 Union Station would be a good one, where the

10 Commission had a concept review of that project,

11 and later, we did an updated information

12 presentation about parking. So, it was a

13 specific discussion about that issue.

14 These presentations occur at the

15 recommendation of NCPC staff, and the Commission

16 does not take an action. I will note that

17 information presentations are also used by staff

18 or other organizations to brief the Commission on

19 other planning-related topics. You can recall,

20 just last month, we had a presentation by COG

21 talking about the COVID-19 pandemic.

22 Staff may use information

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1 presentations also to brief the Commission on the

2 preparation of comments related to NEPA,

3 particularly EA comment letters or EIS comment

4 letters. In these instances, staff will brief

5 the Commission on NEPA correspondence that's

6 pertinent to projects that are subject to future

7 review, but where there is no pending application

8 before the Commission.

9 So, you've heard briefings on EIS

10 comment letters in the past, most recently, for

11 the Managed Lanes Project. And later today,

12 you're going to hear another one regarding the

13 Maglev Project, which is also in the NEPA

14 process.

15 Again, this is really important to the

16 Commission because the NEPA process is another

17 point where NCPC can provide guidance, even

18 before a project is submitted for a formal

19 review.

20 And then, finally, just to wrap up,

21 we've also included some other minor changes for

22 clarification purposes in the document. They

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1 don't alter the submission requirements for

2 Master Plans, but they do provide some clarity

3 regarding NEPA and the Historic Preservation

4 review process. Other changes are primarily for

5 kind of internal consistency within the document.

6 So, overall, we think the updates will

7 help, again, fill that gap in the Guidelines, but

8 also provide some clarity to both applicants and

9 staff in terms of the application of concept

10 reviews for Master Plans. And as such, it is the

11 Executive Director's recommendation to approve

12 the revisions for the Guidelines. We will make

13 any changes to the document, per the discussion

14 today, and then, also, include any minor

15 editorial updates. And these will go into effect

16 30 days after we publish a Federal Register

17 notice for the changes.

18 So, that concludes my presentation.

19 I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you.

20 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you, Mr.

21 Flis.

22 We'll now open it up to the Commission

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1 for discussion. I'd like to start with

2 Commissioner May, and then, go in a round-robin

3 format, using our normal seating order. So,

4 please keep your web cams on during the

5 discussion, and let's turn to Commissioner May.

6 COMMISSIONER MAY: I don't have

7 extensive comments. I would just say that I

8 appreciate the clarifications in the update and

9 look forward to using the new submission

10 guidelines.

11 Thank you.

12 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

13 Commission Argo?

14 COMMISSIONER ARGO: I would -- can you

15 hear me? I'm frozen right now.

16 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Yes.

17 COMMISSIONER ARGO: Okay.

18 VICE CHAIR WHITE: We can hear you,

19 Commissioner Argo. If you would like, I could

20 move on and come back.

21 Julia, what's your advice here?

22 COMMISSIONER ARGO: Hello. I'm back.

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1 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Oh, good.

2 Commissioner Argo, welcome back.

3 (Laughter.)

4 COMMISSIONER ARGO: I have no idea.

5 It's the boogey monsters on Teams kicked me off.

6 (Laughter.)

7 All that to say, I have no additional

8 comments.

9 (Laughter.)

10 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

11 Commissioner Wright? Commissioner

12 Wright?

13 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: I am coming.

14 Sorry, I'm slow on the trigger.

15 I do actually have a question. Will

16 concept review be used in -- will it replace or

17 preclude information sessions? Because I know

18 we've tripped up over this a little bit, and I'd

19 be anxious to know about that. Because -- well,

20 I'll just leave it there. That's my question,

21 Mr. Flis.

22 MR. FLIS: Yes.

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1 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: I mean, let's

2 just imagine for St. Elizabeths another

3 amendment. So, would we use concept review

4 instead of the information session? That's what

5 we did last time, and this is a welcomed change

6 if the answer is yes. That's what we call "a

7 leading question".

8 MR. FLIS: I think we're trying to

9 make a differentiation here. When there are

10 alternatives on the table, staff thinks it's more

11 important to have that discussion as a concept

12 review --

13 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: Right.

14 MR. FLIS: -- because, that way, we

15 can actually capture the Commission's guidance.

16 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: Yes.

17 MR. FLIS: Yes, information

18 presentations, I think we're trying to make a

19 distinction that it is better to introduce a

20 project or a big issue versus talking about

21 alternatives, if that makes sense.

22 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: It does.

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1 MR. FLIS: I think that's where we

2 were getting a little bit confused from that

3 perspective.

4 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: Okay. All

5 right. Thank you.

6 That's it. It's a welcomed change for

7 us. Thank you.

8 VICE CHAIR WHITE: All right. Thank

9 you, Commissioner Wright.

10 Commissioner Dixon?

11 COMMISSIONER DIXON: I associate my

12 comments with Commissioner Argo, and no comment.

13 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

14 Commissioner Cash?

15 COMMISSIONER CASH: Thanks. No

16 comments here.

17 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

18 Commissioner Chang?

19 COMMISSIONER CHANG: Thank you. No

20 comments.

21 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Commissioner

22 Ginsberg?

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1 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: Thank you. No

2 comments.

3 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

4 Commissioner Steingasser?

5 COMMISSIONER STEINGASSER: Yes, I just

6 want to state that I agree. I think this will be

7 a pleasant and good change that will help

8 organize a lot of the thoughts and the way the

9 material comes to us. So, I appreciate it.

10 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

11 Commissioner McMahon?

12 COMMISSIONER McMAHON: Yes. No

13 comments. Thank you.

14 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Well, thanks,

15 everyone.

16 I would just like to add, I think it's

17 really important to acknowledge the work that it

18 takes on behalf of staff to go back through these

19 Guidelines and really think hard about not just

20 making it easier and more clear for the

21 applicant, but keeping it robust enough, so that

22 we're addressing issues and catching them in the

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1 process as they go along. And I just want to

2 acknowledge the great work that's been done, and

3 I think it will help us all with greater

4 coordination between us and our applicants.

5 So, with that, is there a motion to

6 approve the final Guidelines?

7 COMMISSIONER STEINGASSER: So moved.

8 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you,

9 Commissioner Wright.

10 Is there a second?

11 COMMISSIONER McMAHON: This is

12 McMahon. I second.

13 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Commissioner

14 McMahon seconded.

15 Ms. Koster, can you please confirm the

16 motion and the second, and take the vote by roll

17 call?

18 SECRETARY KOSTER: Certainly.

19 Commissioner Wright, I just wanted to make sure,

20 made the motion. I think it was Commissioner

21 Steingasser then.

22 COMMISSIONER STEINGASSER: Oh, I'm

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1 sorry. Yes, that's correct.

2 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Excuse me. I

3 didn't recognize the voice.

4 COMMISSIONER STEINGASSER: Okay.

5 SECRETARY KOSTER: Yes, and

6 Commissioner McMahon made the second.

7 And with that, Commissioner

8 Steingasser, if you can lead us off?

9 COMMISSIONER STEINGASSER: Yes.

10 SECRETARY KOSTER: Thank you.

11 Commissioner McMahon?

12 COMMISSIONER McMAHON: Yes.

13 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner May?

14 COMMISSIONER MAY: Yes.

15 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Argo?

16 COMMISSIONER ARGO: Yes.

17 SECRETARY KOSTER: Vice Chair White?

18 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Yes.

19 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner

20 Wright?

21 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: Yes.

22 SECRETARY KOSTER: Thank you.

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1 Commissioner Dixon?

2 COMMISSIONER DIXON: Yes.

3 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Cash?

4 COMMISSIONER CASH: Yes.

5 SECRETARY KOSTER: Commissioner Chang?

6 COMMISSIONER CHANG: Abstain.

7 And, Commissioner Ginsberg?

8 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: Yes.

9 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you. The

10 motion is carried.

11 So, that covers our agenda action

12 item.

13 INFORMATION PRESENTATIONS

14 NATIONAL CAPITAL REGION

15 FACILITIES OUTREACH INITIATIVE

16 VICE CHAIR WHITE: And now, we have

17 two information presentations.

18 Agenda Item 8A is an information

19 presentation on NCPC's Facilities Outreach

20 Initiative in the National Capital Region.

21 So, Ms. Free, welcome.

22 MS. FREE: Thank you.

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1 Can we you see my screen?

2 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Yes. Thank you.

3 MS. FREE: Okay. Great.

4 Well, good afternoon, Commissioners.

5 I will take a few minutes today to

6 brief you on the outreach program for federal

7 facilities in the Region that the NCPC plan

8 review staff will initiate this summer. We think

9 this is a timely briefing in conjunction with the

10 previous action item on the Submission Guidelines

11 Update and given the discussion at last month's

12 Commission meeting regarding how NCPC can weigh

13 in on important site selection decisions which

14 clearly have urban planning implications, but are

15 not required to be reviewed by the Commission.

16 This program currently focuses on

17 federal facilities located within the environs of

18 Maryland and Virginia. For purposes of this

19 initiative, we define "federal facilities" as

20 federally owned property located in the National

21 Capital Region, to include installations,

22 campuses, Master Plans, and individual sites and

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1 buildings. Please note that the program does not

2 currently include NPS, or National Park Service,

3 Park properties at this time. The Park

4 properties will be incorporated as a later phase

5 of this initiative.

6 So, the outreach program builds upon

7 NCPC's previous and ongoing outreach work,

8 including annual coordination meetings with the

9 Department of Defense; the biannual Federal

10 Capital Improvements Program, or FCIP, data

11 calls; the Master Planning Training Workshop,

12 which we held in January of 2020, and the less

13 regular, but effective staff outreach on new

14 guidelines and resource guides that's conducted

15 as necessary.

16 So, given our prior success in

17 outreach with the Department of Defense, and

18 other venues, we saw the next logical step was to

19 formalize the outreach to include civilian

20 agencies.

21 While coordination regarding projects

22 within the District is robust and includes

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1 monthly Coordinating Committee meetings, there

2 are currently a number of challenges in

3 coordinating with applicant agencies of the

4 facilities and the environs. NCPC's review of

5 projects in the environs is extremely important

6 because local and state governments do not have

7 the authority to review development on federal

8 land, and NCPC is the only planning agency

9 providing that oversight for these facilities.

10 A good example of the current

11 challenges is our recent experience with the

12 Humphreys Engineering Center, which in many ways

13 touches on all of the issues we need to address.

14 First, a change in staff and/or

15 infrequent submissions results in a loss of

16 institutional knowledge of NCPC and its

17 requirements.

18 Secondly, even if applicants are aware

19 of NCPC's authorities, they often approach NCPC

20 staff too late in the planning process.

21 And third, there is not a process in

22 place to directly update applicants on NCPC's

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1 work and how it may impact their projects. A

2 good example of this would be the recently

3 adopted Tree Preservation and Replacement

4 Policies or the Antenna Submission Guidelines.

5 So, there are three ways that we're

6 addressing these challenges. The previous

7 presentation by Mr. Flis already discussed two

8 solutions to address these issues, including

9 bringing Master Plans in earlier to the

10 Commission at a conceptual level, and having the

11 Commission advise on NEPA comments for projects

12 in the environs.

13 The third solution is through a new,

14 annual outreach initiative that NCPC staff is

15 beginning in June. I will summarize the goals,

16 findings, and next steps related to the

17 initiative on the next series of slides.

18 So, the primary goal of this

19 initiative is to establish an annual coordination

20 schedule with applicant agencies that will result

21 in coordination earlier on in individual

22 projects' Master Plans and ensure that the

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1 projects are submitted at the appropriate stage

2 for review.

3 We will also integrate the

4 Transportation Management Plan, or TMP,

5 monitoring schedule into this outreach and look

6 to coordinate this effort with the FCIP process,

7 wherever possible.

8 On the information management side of

9 things, we are currently working to create a

10 visual interactive map-based platform to keep

11 track of and manage the information about each

12 facility, including primary applicant contact

13 information, TMP reporting, the date of the last

14 coordination meeting, and the meeting notes.

15 The next series of slides will cover

16 the work we've done so far in support of this

17 initiative.

18 And a key aspect of establishing the

19 program began last October, which required staff

20 to take inventory of the federal facilities

21 within NCPC's jurisdiction; identify where within

22 the environs these facilities are located; who

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1 the associated applicant, occupant, and owner

2 agencies are for those facilities, and their

3 contact information.

4 In many cases, the applicant,

5 occupant, and owner agency differ for a single

6 facility. The applicant agencies are those that

7 oversee a facility, but may not occupy or even

8 own it. A good example of this is the

9 Intelligence Community Campus in Bethesda, where

10 the Army Corps of Engineers is the applicant, the

11 Defense Intelligence Agency is the occupant, and

12 the owner is the Department of Defense. NCPC

13 staff typically coordinates most directly with

14 the applicant agencies in the review of facility

15 projects, while the occupant and owner agencies

16 may have varying degrees of participation.

17 So, this data was collected from

18 various sources, including GIS, project

19 submission records, former internal inventory

20 efforts, and agency and department websites. I

21 will review a summary of the data we collected on

22 the next series of slides.

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1 So, once we gathered the data we

2 needed, we started looking at how we should

3 structure the outreach to ensure it's effective.

4 We looked to resolve that the outreach should

5 target facilities based on their location or by

6 the applicant agency, and also, when the outreach

7 should occur.

8 So, I'll go through these next few

9 slides pretty quickly, but the idea here was to

10 use the data we collected to understand where the

11 facilities are located and how many facilities

12 each applicant agency oversees in Maryland and

13 Virginia, to help us make an informed strategy

14 for structuring the outreach.

15 Here we have the total number and

16 percentage of facilities across D.C., as shown in

17 light blue; Maryland, in dark blue, and Virginia,

18 shown in orange. Again, these figures exclude

19 the National Park Service Park properties.

20 Now, just looking at facilities in

21 Maryland and Virginia, which is the focus of the

22 current study, the distribution of facilities is

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1 about equal, with 47 percent of federal

2 facilities in Virginia, shown in orange, and 53

3 percent in Maryland, as shown in blue.

4 And then, we broke down the

5 information even further by jurisdiction. Within

6 Maryland, you can see, outlined in blue, that the

7 majority of the facilities are located in Prince

8 George's County, followed by Montgomery County,

9 which is outlined in purple, and only one federal

10 facility is located within the City of Rockville.

11 And in Virginia, you can see Fairfax

12 County, which is outlined in blue, leads with 41

13 percent of the total facilities; Arlington

14 County, shown in purple, follows with 23 percent

15 of the facilities; Loudoun County, shown in

16 orange, and Prince William County, shown in

17 yellow, have a similar amount with 15 and 12

18 percent, respectively. And the City of

19 Alexandria, shown with the green outline, has 9

20 percent of the total facilities. While the City

21 of Manassas and the City of Fairfax fall within

22 our review authorities, there are no federal

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1 facilities currently located within these

2 jurisdictions.

3 And here, we have the facilities, as

4 shown with the purple shapes, overlaid on a map

5 of the region. A few facilities this Commission

6 may not be familiar with are the U.S. Coast Guard

7 Station in Fairfax County, the USPS William F.

8 Bolger Management Academy, the Department of

9 Energy Germantown Campus, the Adelphi Laboratory

10 Center in Montgomery County, and the Global

11 Communications Receiver Site in Prince George's

12 County, amongst others.

13 And once we had an idea of where the

14 facilities were located, we looked at who the

15 applicant agencies are and the number of

16 facilities that each of them manage. The Army

17 Corps of Engineers, the Department of the Army,

18 the Department of the Navy, and the General

19 Services Administration lead with four or more

20 facilities. Five other agencies have three or

21 more facilities, and the rest of the agencies

22 have one or two.

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1 And the next few slides compile a list

2 of the facilities overseen by each of the

3 applicant agencies. Again, these are agencies

4 that oversee a facility, but may or may not

5 occupy or own the facility.

6 A good example of this is the General

7 Services Administration, who leads with the most

8 facilities of those inventoried. GSA owns and is

9 responsible for oversight of several facilities

10 that other federal agencies occupy. And all of

11 the facilities listed are subject to NCPC's

12 review authorities.

13 So, what we have here is a look at

14 those four leading agencies with the most federal

15 facilities and where their facilities are

16 located. We find that those facilities are

17 primarily located in Prince George's, Montgomery,

18 Fairfax, and Arlington Counties.

19 And in summary, this analysis did not

20 prove to show a strong reason to structure the

21 facility outreach one way or the other, meaning

22 by jurisdiction or by agency, applicant agency,

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1 but we had reason that, if our goal of the

2 outreach initiative is to improve and maintain

3 more consistent outreach with applicant agencies,

4 it would make the most sense to then organize the

5 outreach by applicant agency.

6 So, with regard to the outreach

7 schedule, NCPC staff will hold annual outreach

8 meetings that occur just prior to the beginning

9 of the next fiscal year. So, that would be over

10 the summer and into September. That would give

11 us the best understanding of the projects that

12 are in the pipeline for the forthcoming fiscal

13 year.

14 NCPC staff will brief the applicant

15 agencies on NCPC's recent plan review and policy

16 updates and initiative, and hear from the

17 applicant agencies about the projects planned for

18 their facilities over the coming year. We also

19 use these annual meetings as an opportunity to

20 collect the new TMP reporting data on a biennial

21 basis.

22 The annual meetings are also an

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1 opportunity to supplement intergovernmental

2 coordination with the local jurisdictions. While

3 we already refer Master Plans and individual

4 projects in the environs that are not associated

5 within an approved Master Plan to these agencies

6 for intergovernmental review, NCPC staff will

7 include local planning agency contacts in the

8 annual meetings to further support coordination

9 and understand local agency perspectives prior to

10 the projects being submitted to NCPC.

11 I will also note that NCPC conducted

12 preliminary outreach meetings earlier this spring

13 with applicant agencies that we have not had much

14 contact with over the past several years, but may

15 have good potential for new projects. This

16 coordination was done directly between the

17 applicant agencies, the ones listed here on the

18 slide, and the UDPRD Director. And it's a unique

19 outreach to this first year of the program.

20 Moving forward, all outreach meetings will be

21 conducted over the summer, as I had just

22 previously described.

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1 The outreach is designed to have a

2 facility-specific approach by coordinating

3 directly with applicant agency contacts that are

4 knowledgeable about the planning and oversight of

5 each individual facility. An NCPC project

6 officer will also be assigned to each of the

7 applicant agencies and will serve as the primary

8 point of contact for that agency as it relates to

9 projects for the facilities that they manage.

10 Staff finds that this approach will

11 support a greater understanding of the planned

12 improvements for each facility and enhance

13 coordination and dialog between NCPC staff and

14 applicant agency staff throughout the year.

15 And also as part of this initiative,

16 staff drafted a new Plan Review Resource Guide

17 and a Resource Guide for Controlled Unclassified

18 Information Master Plans to assist applicants

19 with preparing applications for NCPC's review.

20 In terms of next steps, NCPC staff

21 will be working to confirm applicant contact

22 information, schedule the outreach meetings, and

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1 to finalize our work on the information

2 management side of things. We will also begin to

3 incorporate data collected for the NPS Park

4 properties into this initiative.

5 So, this concludes my presentation.

6 I look forward to your discussion, and I am happy

7 to answer your questions. Thank you.

8 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you so much,

9 Ms. Free.

10 I will now open it up to the

11 Commission for discussion, starting with

12 Commissioner Dixon, and then, go in a round-robin

13 format. Please keep your web cams on during the

14 discussion.

15 Commissioner Dixon?

16 COMMISSIONER DIXON: First of all, I

17 want to thank the staff for the presentation, for

18 it's very thorough, and I have no questions at

19 this time. But thank you very much.

20 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

21 Commissioner Cash?

22 COMMISSIONER CASH: I also want to

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1 thank staff for the very informative

2 presentation. I don't have any other comments or

3 questions. Thanks.

4 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Commissioner Chang?

5 COMMISSIONER CHANG: Thank you for the

6 presentation. It was very informative, and I

7 have no comments.

8 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

9 Commissioner Ginsberg?

10 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: I think my

11 internet's back on. So, I'm very excited.

12 Thanks for having me.

13 I think this data is really excellent,

14 and I would just be curious if there is a way to

15 break down federal buildings by Congressional

16 District for the Members that are represented on

17 my Committee, but we can talk about that later.

18 Because I think it would be really useful for

19 those Members to understand the facilities better

20 in their Districts.

21 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

22 Commissioner Steingasser?

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1 COMMISSIONER STEINGASSER: I'd also

2 just like to thank the staff for the

3 presentation, and I have no comments.

4 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

5 Commissioner McMahon?

6 COMMISSIONER McMAHON: Yes, I'll echo

7 everybody else. Great work by the Commission and

8 good recommendations and a good study. I support

9 the organizing by agency versus geography. I

10 think that's a much better way, at least from my

11 perspective, to do it. But thanks again.

12 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

13 Commissioner May?

14 COMMISSIONER MAY: Yes, I do have a

15 couple of quick comments.

16 First of all, I appreciate the fact

17 that you did not try to fold in the National Park

18 Service in this initial go-round because it would

19 be very complicated, and it would slow the whole

20 thing down tremendously, I think, if you tried to

21 do it all from the very beginning.

22 And we look forward to working with

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1 the staff when you actually do start talking

2 about Park Service facilities. We have a lot of

3 facilities and we have a lot of staff in

4 different Parks, and a complicated structure,

5 organizational structure, for dealing with them.

6 So, it will be a challenge for all of us, I

7 think, to get something useful out of that, but I

8 look forward to that prospect.

9 I look at this effort as a step toward

10 better understanding more holistically the needs

11 of the various agencies in the Washington area.

12 And I'm hoping that, as a result of this, NCPC

13 will be able to better understand or anticipate

14 the needs for new facilities that will come. So

15 that, when it comes to some of the siting of

16 federal facilities in the National Capital Area,

17 NCPC can play a stronger role in evaluating that

18 and providing input and guidance.

19 I think there have been a couple of --

20 well, I won't go into the most famous example

21 that I have of perhaps flawed agency siting

22 decisions that have been made in the past. But I

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1 will say that I really think that, for example,

2 the most recent decision with regard to the

3 Bureau of Engraving and Printing and their

4 decision on where to locate their printing

5 facility is something where the NCPC could have

6 been helpful in that process, if we had been

7 involved earlier on, and not just at the point

8 where we were trying to evaluate that facility.

9 So, hopefully, we will inch toward

10 that. It is a bit of a Holy Grail, but,

11 hopefully, we will be able to get there.

12 (Laughter.)

13 VICE CHAIR WHITE: That's a great

14 point. So, planning's Holy Grail, right,

15 generally?

16 COMMISSIONER MAY: Exactly, yes.

17 Well, I mean, these locational decisions,

18 particularly given the way commuting patterns,

19 and such, will continue to evolve in the near

20 future, I think these things are incredibly

21 important, as well as other important principles

22 like living near where you work, and things like

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1 that, that are hard to grapple with, but that

2 doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

3 Thank you.

4 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you so much.

5 Commissioner Ago?

6 COMMISSIONER ARGO: There we go.

7 Just to say, you know, in a former

8 business, we call this "client management" in the

9 businesses I've been in.

10 (Laughter.)

11 And being proactive and thoughtful is

12 a preliminary way, an anticipatory way is, in my

13 opinion, a great way to do business. So, I'm

14 very supportive.

15 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

16 Commissioner Wright?

17 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: Well, I'm

18 impressed with my fellow Commissioners' ability

19 to speed read, because I couldn't keep up. So,

20 I've been pinged by some OPDQ staff members who

21 are noting some inaccuracies, or at least one.

22 So, we'll look at this in-depth and make any

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1 edits that are warranted.

2 I would associate myself with

3 Commissioner May's remarks, particularly around

4 the Bureau of Printing and Engraving site

5 location. Yes, we just get into it too late.

6 And this is a particularly good time

7 to do it, I think, because commuting patterns,

8 and everything else, is going to be, you know,

9 has been put into a MixMaster by COVID, and we're

10 kidding ourselves if we think we understand the

11 full net effect of what has happened to us over

12 the last 14 months. So, this is particularly

13 timely to undertake an analysis like this.

14 I should quickly add, that's not a

15 diss on the staff work that there's a couple of

16 possible errors because we have complicated --

17 sometimes it's very difficult to know who owns

18 what. I mean, we've had, at least in the decade-

19 plus that I've been doing this at GSA, we

20 sometimes have difficulty figuring out -- we have

21 delegated properties, and they've been delegated

22 for so long that sometimes it takes a little bit

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1 of research to figure out exactly who owns what.

2 So, we will correct, if there's any

3 correction to be made, forthwith, but I think

4 we're right on time with this, for all the

5 reasons that Mr. May commented.

6 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you so much.

7 I would like to add, and really echo

8 Commissioner Wright's comments and Commissioner

9 May, and everyone, that what you've put together

10 is really yeoman's work, and I love how you

11 presented in different ways, ways that we can

12 look at the breadth and scope of the work that we

13 do, both the earlier efforts on the application

14 or submittal process, you know, getting earlier

15 reviews, more consistent outreach. It can only

16 help with greater coordination, not just between

17 NCPC and federal facilities, but also improved

18 coordination with the local jurisdictions. And

19 we all have very similar goals in what we're

20 trying to achieve.

21 And I so appreciate the Holy Grail of

22 planning, you know, trying to be proactive,

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1 trying to find synergies among these projects;

2 that the coordination through our review is

3 really important because we're the only entity

4 that really focuses on federal lands in the

5 National Capital Region. So, coordination with

6 the local jurisdictions will not only result in

7 better projects, but also among the agencies.

8 And the example that was given I think

9 is one of those that, had we been able -- and no

10 fault of our staff or our previous efforts -- but

11 being proactive is difficult when you have such a

12 broad array of departments and facilities.

13 So, I think the way you've put the

14 data together -- I love the suggestions about

15 sorting them in different ways. Whether by

16 District or by agency or by geography, I think

17 all lend itself to ways to manage that data. So,

18 my compliments to Mr. Flis, Ms. Free, Ms.

19 Sullivan, Ms. Koster, and especially the part

20 that I've seen while I've been on the Commission

21 for more and more robust engagement and outreach

22 with the public, so they understand our work, I

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1 think has really grown tremendously and is

2 becoming more and more effective each day.

3 And the pivot to virtual on top of all

4 of that, while you're trying to move this

5 forward, is a really great achievement. So, I

6 just wanted to add those comments and thank the

7 staff for the great work.

8 So, with that, thank you, Ms. Free.

9 -WASHINGTON SUPERCONDUCTING MAGLEV

10 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Our next item is

11 Agenda Item 8B. It's also an information

12 presentation on the Baltimore-Washington

13 Superconducting Maglev.

14 Mr. Weil, welcome.

15 MR. WEIL: Thank you very much.

16 Okay, Madam Vice Chair, can you see

17 the presentation?

18 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Yes. Thank you.

19 MR. WEIL: Good afternoon, Madam Vice

20 Chair White and Members of the Commission.

21 Today, I am here to brief the Commission on the

22 Baltimore-Washington Maglev NEPA study and to

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1 seek support for our proposed staff comments and

2 recommendations on the Draft Environmental Impact

3 Statement, which we will send to the Federal

4 Railroad Administration prior to the end of the

5 public comment period on May 24th. In addition

6 to our preliminary staff comments, we will also

7 include any other comments that we hear today

8 from Commission members in our letter.

9 The first part of my presentation will

10 be a high-level overview of the Maglev Project,

11 which is short for magnetic levitation, and then,

12 I will summarize our comments related to the

13 study's purpose and need, the range of study

14 alternatives, and impacts to federal and District

15 property.

16 So, here's the general Maglev Corridor

17 and its relationship to the National Capital

18 Region, situated partially within our review area

19 within the District of Columbia and Prince

20 George's County, Maryland. The proposed guideway

21 alignment would span between 33 and 36 miles in

22 length between downtown Washington, D.C., and

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1 Baltimore, Maryland.

2 The Maglev would operate as a

3 frictionless train held within its guideway by a

4 series of powerful magnetics with a capability of

5 achieving a top speed of 311 miles per hour,

6 which would enable a one-way, 15-minute trip

7 between Baltimore and Washington, D.C.

8 Here's the purpose for the study: to

9 evaluate and ultimately construct and operate a

10 safe, revenue-producing, high-speed ground

11 transportation system that achieves the optimum

12 operating speed of the Maglev technology. And

13 this is to significantly reduce travel time, to

14 meet the capacity and ridership needs of the

15 Baltimore-Washington Region. In addition, the

16 Draft EIS shows a number of objectives relating

17 to transportation redundancy, connectivity,

18 economic growth, and complementary service within

19 the Region.

20 As described in the EIS, the project

21 is intended to address issues and challenges with

22 increasing population and employment, growing

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1 demands on the existing transportation network,

2 increasing travel times and decreasing mobility,

3 and maintaining regional economic viability.

4 The Federal Elements of the

5 Comprehensive Plan include policies that support

6 transportation, as well as policies that

7 encourage preservation and protection of our

8 Region's park network, forested areas, historic

9 cultural resources, and parkways, all of which

10 relate to the Maglev Project.

11 In addition, our Commission represents

12 the interests of a number of potentially affected

13 jurisdictions and federal properties, including

14 the U.S. Secret Service's Rowley Training Center;

15 the Beltsville Agricultural Research Center, or

16 BARC; the Baltimore-Washington Parkway; Goddard

17 Space Flight Center, and the District of

18 Columbia.

19 Per the National Capital Planning Act,

20 our Commission would have approval authority for

21 future building and site development on federal

22 property within the District, an advisory

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1 authority over District property and federal

2 property outside of the District.

3 The Draft EIS shows the temporary use

4 of several National Park Service reservations

5 along New York Avenue during the construction

6 phase with no permanent use. However, the new

7 Maglev facility would require permanent

8 development of several federal campuses in the

9 BWI Parkway, outside of the District in Prince

10 George's County, Maryland.

11 The Maglev Study is led by the Federal

12 Railroad Administration with a number of

13 participating, cooperating, and coordinating

14 District and federal agencies. And then, once in

15 place, the Maglev facility would be owned and

16 operated as a for-profit service by a private

17 firm known as Northeast Maglev.

18 This is the second Maglev presentation

19 of the Commission, with the first presentation

20 made to NCPC in January 2019 by the project

21 consultants.

22 As shown on the timeline, the Draft

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1 EIS is currently available for public review and

2 comment, with all comments due to the Federal

3 Railroad Administration by May 24th. Once the

4 comment period concludes, FRA will review and

5 consider all comments; select a preferred

6 alternative, and publish a final EIS and record

7 of decision in early 2022. After that, the

8 Maglev would be constructed in sections over the

9 next seven years between 2023 and 2030.

10 Here is the proposed Maglev route

11 extending between downtown Washington, D.C., and

12 Baltimore, Maryland, with two fixed station

13 locations, one in downtown Washington, D.C., and

14 one at BWI Airport in Anne Arundel County,

15 Maryland.

16 And then, FRA will select a third

17 station location within the City of Baltimore,

18 either in the Cherry Hill neighborhood or Camden

19 Yard section of the city. And this Baltimore

20 location will be identified in the Final EIS as

21 part of the study's preferred alternative.

22 Here is a concept rendering of the

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1 downtown Washington Station taken from the Draft

2 EIS. And this would be located, the Washington,

3 D.C., Station would be located under New York

4 Avenue with three different station entrances --

5 one in the new Headhouse Building constructed

6 between 5th and 6th Streets along the south side

7 of New York Avenue, and the two other entrances

8 would be along the north side of New York Avenue,

9 one near 4th Street and one near 1st Street. As

10 part of the new Headhouse Station development,

11 there would also be an underground garage with a

12 thousand spaces intended for use by Maglev staff

13 and riders.

14 From downtown Washington, the Maglev

15 guideway would extend to the northeast in an

16 underground tunnel for approximately 12 miles

17 until it reaches outside the Beltway in Prince

18 George's County, where it would gradually rise up

19 to ground level and emerge through a portal

20 facility on Baltimore-Washington Parkway

21 property. And then, once above ground, the

22 guideway would rise up into an elevated viaduct

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1 that ranges in elevation between 125 and 165 feet

2 above ground level.

3 And here, I would like to point out

4 that there are currently different alignment

5 alternatives that are still under consideration.

6 One alignment, known as the J Alternative or

7 Parkway East Alternative, would align along the

8 east side of the BW Parkway, shown here in light

9 blue, and the other alignment, known as the J1

10 Alternative or West Alignment, would align along

11 the Parkway's west side, shown here in magenta.

12 The west alignment would run above the

13 ground for a distance of between 5 to 6 miles, or

14 17 percent of the guideway's entire length, and

15 the eastern alignment would run above ground for

16 8 to 9 miles, or 25 percent of its total length.

17 As the National Park Service's parkway

18 property ends at the Prince George's/Anne Arundel

19 County line, the elevated viaduct would span a

20 more limited distance of approximately 4 miles

21 along Park Service property.

22 In addition to the guideway, other

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1 project elements would include one 170-to-200-

2 acre train maintenance facility site. And the

3 Draft EIS is currently considering three

4 potential sites for this, two of which would be

5 located on BARC Campus property within the

6 National Capital Region. And these are

7 identified here by the two yellow dots. The

8 third potential location is in Anne Arundel

9 County near the BWI Parkway interchange with

10 Maryland Route 198. And as the Maglev would only

11 need one of these sites to support its operation,

12 FRA will identify the preferred maintenance

13 facility site in the future Final EIS document.

14 Finally, the Maglev will require two

15 air intake emergency egress structures along the

16 tunneled guideway section, with one in the

17 District and the other in Prince George's County,

18 and then, several other air intake emergency

19 egress structures would locate along the tunnel

20 section closer to Baltimore as well, which is

21 outside of our area of review jurisdiction. Each

22 of these structures are anticipated to look like

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1 50-foot-tall buildings, and the EIS indicates

2 that these structures would be designed for

3 compatibility to the surrounding environment.

4 And here's a slide that shows a

5 compilation of all the key project elements, both

6 within the National Capital Region, shown here in

7 color, and elements located outside of the

8 Region, which are shown here in gray.

9 The EIS includes 12 different build

10 alternatives, which are all reflected here in

11 this matrix. And this is based on the different

12 combinations of station locations, multiple

13 potential train maintenance facility sites, and

14 two different Parkway alignments still under

15 consideration. The Draft EIS contains numerous

16 matrices such as this to convey potential

17 temporary and permanent impact ranges, broken

18 down by topic area and some by property

19 ownership.

20 So, that concludes my overview of the

21 project. And now, I will highlight our staff

22 comments and draft recommendations, the majority

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1 of which focus on federal property and District

2 impacts. However, we also remain unclear about

3 the real benefits of the project, given its

4 potential for significant impacts to a wide

5 variety of federal activities in the Region.

6 MR. WEIL: Starting with the project's

7 purpose, need and objectives, the draft EIS

8 appears to make the case for some of these that

9 relate to the Maglev's potential for positive

10 economic impacts. And the project's potential to

11 create another redundant transportation facility

12 in the region. Here is an EIS ridership forecast

13 table that shows a majority of Maglev's future

14 ridership as being from travelers who currently

15 drive between Baltimore and Washington, which is

16 positive.

17 However, in terms of the Maglev as a

18 more traditional complementary form of public

19 transportation, which is widely available to the

20 traveling public, we note that there are several

21 key differences between the Maglev and other

22 services such as , MARC and commuter bus

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1 including the Maglev's $60 average one-way fare,

2 which would make this high-speed service less

3 accessible than Amtrak, MARC and commuter bus.

4 We note that comparison sample one-way fares

5 average $30 for Amtrak's regional service with a

6 low of $15 for a one-way fare, as well as a one-

7 way fare of $8 for MARC rail.

8 In addition the draft EIS states that

9 the Maglev would reduce future MARC ridership

10 within the study area by over 30 percent, and the

11 Amtrak ridership by 94 percent. And these

12 declines would require Amtrak and MARC to lower

13 their service levels in response. Thus the

14 expectation that Maglev would compete with these

15 more traditional public transportation services

16 appear to be contrary to the intent of the Maglev

17 project as a complimentary public transportation

18 mode.

19 As shown here on this slide, Amtrak

20 currently has plans to improve its system through

21 future corridor improvements between Washington

22 D.C. and Boston, and these improvements could be

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1 undertaken to improve service in the Baltimore-

2 Washington area in a much less disruptive way to

3 local, federal, and private property.

4 Finally, the current Maglev study

5 scope of between 33 and 36 miles is relatively

6 limited compared to a longer-distance facility

7 that would run up to or Boston,

8 which may increase the utility of the high-speed

9 service. As federal planners we must consider

10 all of these factors when assessing the benefit

11 of the Maglev project, especially since the draft

12 EIS shows significant physical and planning costs

13 to federal properties in the region. And I will

14 highlight these in more detail throughout the

15 remainder of my presentation.

16 Regarding the study's alternative

17 alignment selection process we note that the

18 Federal Railroad Administration started with an

19 initial set of 16 alignment options for the

20 Maglev within the study area. And based on

21 general criteria and conceptual impact

22 information, FRA selected two alternative

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1 alignments to carry into the ongoing more

2 detailed NEPA study, both of which rely heavily

3 on the permanent use of Baltimore-Washington

4 Parkway property, and other federal campuses in

5 the study area. Thus, no matter which

6 alternative is selected, federal planning,

7 security, research, and other uses -- as well as

8 the historic nature and setting of the Baltimore-

9 Washington Parkway -- would be permanently

10 affected.

11 In order to broaden the study should

12 neither of the build options prove to be

13 feasible, once federal facility and master plans,

14 programming, and mitigation are better

15 understood, we continue to recommend that FRA add

16 one or more additional Maglev alignments to the

17 NEPA study for greater planning flexibility.

18 Potential project impacts appear to be

19 significant both to federal properties within the

20 region, and other properties within the larger

21 study area outside of our area -- our area of

22 review jurisdiction. And these include the

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1 Patuxent Wildlife Research Refuge, Fort Meade,

2 and National Security Administration Campus. Of

3 particular concern are physical impacts to

4 recreational facilities and parklands, viewsheds,

5 water resources, ecological resources such as

6 forests and farmland soils. And while it may be

7 possible to lessen these impacts to an extent,

8 their magnitude would likely make it impossible

9 to fully mitigate in a meaningful way.

10 So one of -- one key recommendation

11 that we have is that prior to the selection of

12 the preferred Maglev alternative, we urge FRA to

13 continue to work with affected federal and

14 district stakeholders to develop more specific

15 impact and mitigation information, to use this

16 information to resolve outstanding planning

17 issues related to federal and district property,

18 and to reflect this additional development and

19 coordination in the final EIS and record of

20 decision.

21 Next I will highlight more specific

22 impacts and concerns for each of the potentially

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1 affected federal properties along the Maglev

2 corridor, as well as some specific concerns from

3 district planners as well. Starting with the

4 Baltimore-Washington Parkway, here are the

5 potential Maglev alignments along either side of

6 the parkway. And EIS materials show a range of

7 permanent impacts to the parkway's aesthetics,

8 visual quality, historic setting, and parkway

9 property's ecological resources such as its

10 linear, contiguous, forested areas.

11 In addition, tens of acres would also

12 be directly affected through construction

13 impacts. And although these activities would be

14 temporary, the land would be occupied for several

15 years and new trees of vegetation proposed as

16 mitigation could take up to 75 to 100 years to

17 fully mature according to the draft EIS. NCPC's

18 comprehensive plan recognizes visual and physical

19 encroachment as a threat to the scenic and

20 pastoral qualities of our region's parkways. And

21 the best way to protect BW Parkway land would be

22 to completely avoid its use altogether, either

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1 through additional tunneling, or by using another

2 alignment that is completely outside of the

3 parkway property.

4 Moving on to BARC, both alignments

5 would significantly impact the campus with

6 greater impact should one of the BARC sites be

7 developed as a 200-acre train maintenance

8 facility. In particular there are concerns with

9 potential impacts to sensitive wetlands, storm

10 water management, multiple ongoing research

11 programs, and increased polluted storm water

12 runoff on BARC property -- which is especially

13 relevant considering the campus's agricultural

14 research mission. In additional the large size

15 and placement of the maintenance facility would

16 eliminate a number of potential future solar

17 array sites thereby threatening the BARC

18 Sustainable Energy program.

19 In particular the EIS states that the

20 air strip maintenance site east of the parkway

21 would impact the area's unique setting, which

22 could not be replaced elsewhere on BARC, with

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1 research functions no longer available and years

2 of ongoing research possibly lost or altered for

3 a very long time. We note that while the EIS

4 does include a chapter that describes the

5 Maglev's compatibility to local county and

6 district planning and zoning, the EIS does not

7 currently include an assessment of how the

8 project would affect BARC's future planned land

9 uses, development, or programming.

10 So as shown on this slide, one of our

11 key recommendations is to -- is for FRA to

12 collect this more detailed planning information

13 for BARC and other potentially affected federal

14 properties, and to use this information to assess

15 these more defined impacts, to develop

16 mitigation, and then to base the preferred

17 alternative on minimizing disruption to federal

18 plans in the area to the maximum extent feasible.

19 But until we have this more detailed operational

20 planning information, we cannot see the selection

21 of a realistic preferred alternative.

22 Moving to the south, potential impacts

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1 to the Goddard Space Flight Center would be less

2 than those to NPS property or BARC, but with

3 greater impact should FRA select the BW Parkway

4 East alternative, and-or develop the air strip

5 train maintenance facility site, which would

6 directly affect ongoing NASA research.

7 Specifically there are concerns

8 related to potential vibrational,

9 electromagnetic, and lighting interference to

10 NASA's geophysical and astronomical observatory

11 and facility, which is located on land leased

12 from BARC adjacent to the air strip site. In

13 addition, campus access from the BW Parkway would

14 also be impacted during project construction.

15 So again, as previously stated, the

16 Federal Railroad Administration should use the

17 Goddard Space Flight Center Plan to assess

18 potential real impacts to campus operations and

19 future projects, and to develop appropriate

20 mitigation prior to selection of the preferred

21 alternative and prior to release of the final EIS

22 and record of decision.

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1 To the north of BARC, with its

2 location along the east side of the BW Parkway,

3 the U.S. Secret Service's Rowley Training Center

4 would experience greater impacts with the

5 selection of the Parkway East Alternative than

6 with the West Alignment. Based on the Secret

7 Service's security-related mission, its need for

8 training space on campus, and planned future

9 projects, there are concerns related to the

10 project's potential impacts to campus security,

11 as well as noise, vibration, and electromagnetic

12 interference and storm water runoff. Previous

13 coordination notes state that the center would

14 not be able to cede any land for the project,

15 which again reinforces the importance of

16 considering future federal plans as the study

17 continues.

18 Related to the District of Columbia,

19 District planners have expressed overarching

20 concerns based on the lack of detail provided in

21 the draft EIS, and related to the Federal

22 Railroad Administration's previous elimination of

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1 other potential Maglev station locations within

2 the city. When these other station sites may

3 have been preferable to the current Mount Vernon

4 East location, and the EIS's consideration of

5 only one station site has made it more difficult

6 for planners to understand the real magnitude of

7 the potential project impacts on the city.

8 Other concerns include potential

9 operational impacts to New York Avenue during

10 construction as a major city transportation

11 corridor, the potential new 1,000-space garage --

12 despite other nearby -- other nearby potential

13 parking opportunities -- and the District's

14 effort to minimize parking in the city, and the

15 fact that there are no direct underground

16 connections to Metro Rail, which was one of the

17 reasons for eliminating previous NOMA station

18 locations.

19 NCPC staff are fully supportive of

20 these comments, and we will support these and

21 other District comments in our final letter as we

22 continue to coordinate with District planning

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1 staff. Before I close, here are some key

2 recommendations that we will convey to the

3 Federal Railroad Administration in our comment

4 letter -- to continue to develop more specific

5 mitigation with specific locations since the

6 draft EIS does not currently contain this

7 information, to add one or more non-Parkway

8 alignments to broaden the study, should neither

9 of the two current options prove to be feasible

10 once federal plans, programming and mitigation

11 are better understood; and to collect more

12 detailed planning information before selecting

13 the preferred alternative since FRA should seek

14 to minimize the disruption to existing and future

15 federal plans and operations in the region.

16 Regarding next steps, NCPC staff will

17 finalize our comment letter based on today's

18 meeting and send that to the Federal Railroad

19 Administration prior to the end of the public

20 comment period. FRA will then review all public

21 and agency comments received, and then they plan

22 to select a preferred Maglev alternative and

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1 release a final EIS and record of decision in

2 early 2022. In addition, over the next few

3 months, the FRA and the Maglev team have agreed

4 to come in and provide a follow-up information

5 presentation to our commission to address any

6 questions and concerns that members may express

7 at today's meeting. So that concludes my

8 presentation and I am now available to respond to

9 any questions from commission members at this

10 time. Thank you.

11 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you, Mr.

12 Weil. Such a thorough presentation. I will now

13 open it up to the Commission for discussion,

14 starting with Commissioner Cash and then going in

15 a round robin from that.

16 SECRETARY KOSTER: Can I also ask Mr.

17 Weil, thank you, to take the screen down? Yes.

18 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

19 Commissioner Cash, if you would like to offer any

20 comments or questions?

21 COMMISSIONER CASH: Well I am very

22 thankful for the staff's work on -- on addressing

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1 these -- the District's concerns in here. I

2 think that there's a lot of outstanding questions

3 that need to be asked about this. I have a lot

4 of concerns about the impacts, especially here in

5 downtown, but on the project itself, I guess I'll

6 go for the old adage. If you don't have anything

7 nice to say, then don't say it at all. So --

8 (Laughter.)

9 VICE CHAIR WHITE: I'm sure your

10 mother would be proud of that statement,

11 Commissioner Cash.

12 (Laughter.)

13 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

14 Commissioner Chang?

15 COMMISSIONER CHANG: Thank you for the

16 presentation. I have no further comments.

17 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

18 Commissioner Ginsberg?

19 (No audible response.)

20 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Maybe we'll come

21 back. I'm not sure if Commissioner Ginsberg can

22 hear us.

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1 (Simultaneous speaking.)

2 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: No comments --

3 no comments from me, I'm sorry.

4 VICE CHAIR WHITE: No problem, thank

5 you.

6 (Simultaneous speaking.)

7 COMMISSIONER GINSBERG: Thank you for

8 the presentation.

9 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you. I see

10 that Commissioner Trueblood joined us. So,

11 Commissioner Trueblood, welcome -- any comments?

12 COMMISSIONER TRUEBLOOD: Thank you.

13 I guess my -- maybe it's a question. And I think

14 -- thank you very much for the presentation.

15 It's summed up, I believe, many of our thoughts

16 so far. But my question -- you had mentioned

17 earlier NCPC's approval authority over New York

18 Avenue. And I'd love to hear a little bit more

19 about what that looks like and what we should be

20 anticipating our -- our role in that review and

21 approval in the future.

22 MR. WEIL: Well, yes, at this time it

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1 looks like the only -- first of all, our

2 commission would have approval authority over

3 federal property within the District. And at

4 this time the draft EIS shows a number of

5 National Parks Service reservations along New

6 York Avenue as being temporarily impacted during

7 the construction phase. The draft EIS explains

8 that these -- these reservations would be

9 returned back to their existing state once the

10 construction phase was complete. So that --

11 that's where our approval authority would be.

12 COMMISSIONER TRUEBLOOD: Okay, thank

13 you -- I mean, you know, I guess I'll just say,

14 you know, I have a number of questions probably

15 better suited for the project sponsor. So I look

16 forward to that presentation.

17 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

18 Commissioner McMahon?

19 COMMISSIONER McMAHON: I appreciate

20 the staff's work. I enjoyed the presentation,

21 looking forward to future discussions on this

22 topic. Thank you.

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1 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

2 Commissioner May?

3 COMMISSIONER MAY: I have comments,

4 but I have a lot of background noise at the

5 moment. So if somebody else could go and I will

6 try to clear that up here.

7 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Okay. Commissioner

8 Argo?

9 COMMISSIONER ARGO: Hello, I -- I'm

10 kind of bowled over. It was -- it's a huge --

11 you know, it's a huge project with potentially

12 huge impacts, you know, that I think -- you know,

13 you clearly touched on. I appreciate -- it's a

14 huge amount of work, I'm sure, has gone into this

15 and will continue to go into this project and

16 really appreciate how the staff has dived in and

17 -- and given us, you know -- and given us the

18 overview. But also -- also being very clear

19 about where the key issues will be, not just for

20 the commission, but for other authorities as

21 well.

22 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you.

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1 Commissioner Wright?

2 (Simultaneous speaking.)

3 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Okay, I keep

4 getting --

5 COMMISSIONER WRIGHT: I have no

6 questions or comments at this point. I -- what -

7 - did I go out of turn? Sorry. I don't have any

8 questions or comments. It's -- it's kind of

9 overwhelming. I remember seeing it the last time

10 -- you know, people talk a lot about how we are

11 not competitive in this realm with other

12 countries. And I don't know how they get it

13 done. Because there's so many things that --

14 that can impede the progress of a project like

15 this that was extremely thorough. It -- I find

16 it overwhelming to think about what would need to

17 happen to -- to -- to bring this project to

18 fruition. Wow. So I'll just leave it at that.

19 And I -- I guess -- I -- what -- what will be our

20 next -- what's the next step? And in the end --

21 this is a -- I said I wasn't going to comment or

22 ask a question. How -- who is the -- what entity

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1 is the final decision maker when we really get to

2 mitigation and all this stuff? I mean, I'm sort

3 of unclear on the decision tree on this, which is

4 an unfair question, Mike, I'm sorry.

5 MR. WEIL: That's okay.

6 (Laughter.)

7 MR. WEIL: I believe this is fairly

8 similar to the -- the famous Managed Lanes

9 project where the Federal Railroad Administration

10 technically is the lead agency, but -- but they

11 are all also working very closely with the

12 Maryland Department of Transportation. And

13 basically, once they wrap up the study with a --

14 a selection of a preferred alternative, which

15 they will publish through the final environmental

16 impact statement and ROD, I believe mitigation --

17 the plan right now is to develop mitigation up to

18 a certain point and then to continue refine -- to

19 refine that mitigation as kind of the plans are -

20 - are developed into more detailed engineering

21 plans. And I would guess that would be done in

22 conjunction with -- with the Maglev firm who will

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1 be operating the project and -- and who will own

2 the service.

3 So those are the next steps. One of

4 our recommendations is to kind of -- basically

5 slow the process down so that we can get as much

6 detailed information, not only on impacts but

7 also mitigation, before a preferred alternative

8 is -- is really selected. So again, we can make

9 more of these planning decisions before we get

10 into more detailed design.

11 MS. SULLIVAN: Madam Chair White, I'm

12 just going to add that those are next steps with

13 regard to the environmental impact statement

14 process, but then it's a -- maybe it's fairly

15 obvious, but you know, there's a lot of

16 discussions that have to happen with all the

17 landholding agencies as well. So -- I mean,

18 that's a good segue to Peter's comments.

19 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Yes, that's a very

20 important point. I am glad you added that.

21 Commissioner May, are you available to speak now?

22 Or should we move on to Commissioner Dixon?

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1 COMMISSIONER MAY: No, I'm good. I

2 can talk now.

3 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Okay, thank you.

4 COMMISSIONER MAY: Okay, so I

5 appreciate the presentation. It is -- it was

6 very thorough, but boy, it only touches the

7 surface of what we're all grappling with on this

8 project. I mean, my history on this goes all the

9 way back to the very beginning. It's been more

10 than four years since we started having meetings

11 on this topic -- through all of the different

12 alternatives, and all of the potential impacts of

13 those. And I will note at that time that the

14 plan was to release the draft EIS in the winter

15 of 2018, and so -- I don't know if that meant

16 December of 2018, or January of 2018. In any

17 case, it's now 2021. It's several years behind

18 and I think it's going to continue to move more

19 slowly than scheduled. I'd be very surprised if

20 they can get all the way to a final EIS in -- in

21 the early next year. But, you know, we'll --

22 we'll see what happens.

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1 First of all I will say, you know, we

2 have been talking directly with FRA and have been

3 -- have reviewed earlier drafts of -- of what's

4 in the -- in the draft EIS. And so everything

5 that I am saying today is not news to FRA. They

6 already know what our concerns are. As noted in

7 the presentation, there are -- there are multiple

8 Parks Service properties and DOI properties that

9 are involved here. We have the two large Park

10 Service parks -- Greenbelt Park and of course the

11 Parkway. Fourteen L'Enfant reservations are

12 affected. And of course the Patuxent Research

13 Refuge is also a DOI property. And we are

14 coordinating the Park Service with DOI on all the

15 comments. And they'll receive a single comment

16 letter from -- from DOI.

17 We're concerned about the -- I think

18 in the biggest -- in the big picture, the concern

19 is that we're not sure how this can actually

20 happen given the constraints of federal agencies

21 involved -- particular Department of the

22 Interior, which is what we know. I'm not sure

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1 what the path forward is because what's being

2 proposed is a set of impacts that are so

3 substantial -- I mean, more substantial than

4 anything that I have seen in my Park Service

5 career and that, at this point, includes the

6 Managed Lanes study which is -- you know, has

7 been throttled back to the point where the -- the

8 effects are more manageable on Park Service land.

9 I mean, this is the biggest thing.

10 And when you get to that scale, some of the tools

11 that are available for federal decision making

12 aren't necessarily available to you. So it's --

13 it's complicated. I'm not sure how this can

14 happen. We'll see as we, you know, move further

15 along and communicate further with FRA.

16 I will say, there are -- you know, the

17 way the alternatives have been eliminated up to

18 this point and we're down to basically both sides

19 of the Parkway, I think is problematic. And, you

20 know, the level of impact of those alternatives

21 has gotten more extensive as the design has been

22 -- has been refined. So I am grateful that NCPC

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1 is speaking up for adding back some of the prior

2 alternatives, or just adding alternatives

3 generally because I think that that's necessary.

4 It's also an option conceivably that they could

5 put the entire structure underground. I mean,

6 most of it is already underground. So I don't

7 know if there's -- you know, how seriously the --

8 you know, how -- how viable it is to just keep

9 the entire thing underground, because then we're

10 talking about a much different set of impacts.

11 And frankly, more manageable.

12 The -- as it's envisioned right now,

13 the -- the -- the Maglev train will come out of

14 the ground along the Parkway and run parallel to

15 it for somewhere between six and ten miles. Now

16 the National Park Service operates 19 miles of

17 the Parkway, so conceivably half of the Parkway

18 will be substantially affected by this road -- by

19 this elevated viaduct. And I think you saw some

20 good images of what this thing is going to look

21 like. So this is -- you know, even though it's -

22 - it says 90 acres of impact, that's 90 acres of

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1 construction and footprint. It is not 90 acres

2 out of the 1,400 that -- you know, where you can

3 see it. It is -- you know, 50 -- 30 to 50

4 percent of the Parkway and its viewsheds. The

5 things that make it a parkway and not just a

6 highway will be diminished by this construction.

7 I also think there -- I mean, I don't

8 know if it's -- it's not well covered within the

9 DEIS, but there are substantial below-grade

10 impacts as well. I don't know how they are

11 calculated in some of the acreage counts and

12 things like that, but I do want to make sure that

13 NCPC staff is fully aware and are raising the

14 appropriate questions when it comes to what's

15 accounted for within the EIS.

16 And, you know, frankly the -- a lot of

17 the -- looking beyond the Department of

18 Interior's perspective on this, I am very

19 concerned about the other impacts that this will

20 have with the -- you know, the large ventilation

21 structures, the stations at both ends, the -- I

22 mean, a 200-acre maintenance facility planted

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1 within the Beltsville Agricultural Research

2 Center -- I mean, that's really a huge structure.

3 And if it's on the -- if the alignment chosen is

4 on the west side of the parkway, then that means

5 that the -- the Maglev train will be flying over

6 the parkway to get to the park -- conceivably.

7 So, I mean the -- there's just any

8 number of -- of concerns that we have. Again,

9 all of this stuff is information that we have

10 previously shared with FRA and will be putting

11 some version of this into writing before the end

12 of the comment period. And I do appreciate the

13 NCPC staff analysis on this and agree with the

14 comments that had been registered so far. Thank

15 you.

16 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you,

17 Commissioner May. Commissioner Dixon?

18 COMMISSIONER DIXON: Yes, I think it's

19 fascinating -- the technology. And I've been on

20 a Maglev from, I think, the airport into Hong

21 Kong. It's really special. But I guess the

22 question I have is, is the juice going to be

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1 worth the squeeze? Or is the result going to be

2 worth the -- the damage of the -- what's going to

3 be done?

4 I also feel that there's a lot

5 happening with who's going to be the rider?

6 Who's going to be on this? There are fewer and

7 fewer -- more and more of us are doing work from

8 home. There's a lot of other transportation

9 options. Fifteen minutes is good to get to

10 Baltimore, but -- you know, whether that result

11 is really something that is going to mean

12 something to us in 20 years -- that -- that -- I

13 wish we could upgrade our existing rail where

14 there are right aways to be able to handle this

15 kind of thing, rather than have to build some

16 other new structure over the top and cause all

17 this disruption. If the time could be spend

18 trying to convert those right-aways into a faster

19 one -- maybe even Maglev -- rather than have to

20 build a whole new one.

21 Obviously there's going to be a lot

22 going -- thought going into this and I'm just --

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1 I'm excited by it but it's -- you know, a lot of

2 things excite us, but do we really want to go

3 through the -- the intrusion to our -- to our

4 land and to our area? So, we'll have to wait and

5 see. Looking forward.

6 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you so much

7 for those comments. You know, hearing all this,

8 I just want to go back for a second and really

9 reflect on what our job is as the regional

10 planning commission for federal land. And the

11 thoughtful analysis by the staff and fellow

12 commissioners in really digging into the impacts

13 of this project, looking at it in a really

14 careful, critical way, and then asking the big

15 questions. I think that's our job and I think --

16 you know, I want to compliment the staff as

17 everyone has in putting this out there. And the

18 other part of this going back to our public

19 outreach and engagement efforts -- it's so

20 important for the public to have good visuals to

21 understand what this is going to mean to their

22 communities.

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1 So the visuals that you include on the

2 -- the visual vegetation impacts, what happens

3 along the parkway -- is really important for the

4 public to understand. So I so appreciate that we

5 not only do this work, but we do it in public --

6 in the spirit of helping analyze what these

7 trade-offs are. I mean, our comprehensive plan

8 policies encourage non-single occupancy vehicle

9 transportation systems. But with this one,

10 obviously, there are lots of trade-offs. I do

11 question -- I love the way Commissioner Dixon put

12 it -- is the juice going to be worth the squeeze?

13 And I think as a society that is what we have to

14 do in looking at these projects. As Commissioner

15 Wright noted earlier, COVID has an impact on

16 transportation and how we travel and use these

17 systems. The competition to public

18 transportation and the equity issues that are

19 involved in these decisions are serious and

20 really need careful review. Commissioner May, I

21 am really glad that you've shared with us what

22 the status of your conversations are with the

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1 Federal Railroad Administration. This is -- this

2 is a really important project for -- for our

3 review. So thank you for that. And I look

4 forward to having the Federal Railroad

5 Administration and the Maglev team come back to

6 the commission to answer all these questions,

7 discuss the project further. And I hope everyone

8 who is in the public who is participating and

9 watching the meeting today will go and review the

10 presentation and the materials that our staff has

11 put together and -- and take a look at what this

12 will mean for your communities.

13 So if there are no other questions or

14 comments from the Commission members, we will

15 conclude our open session agenda. But I didn't

16 want to cut that off if someone had an additional

17 comment or question.

18 (No audible response.)

19 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Thank you, Mr.

20 Weil, for your presentation and good work. So

21 this --

22 (Simultaneous speaking.)

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1 MR. WEIL: Thank you very much.

2 VICE CHAIR WHITE: -- completes --

3 Commissioner Argo, did you want to make an

4 additional comment?

5 (No audible response.)

6 VICE CHAIR WHITE: Okay, thank you.

7 This concludes our open session agenda. The

8 Commission will next meet on Thursday, June 3rd

9 at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time. And if there is no

10 other business, the open session is now

11 adjourned.

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C E R T I F I C A T E

This is to certify that the foregoing transcript

In the matter of: Open Session

Before: NCPC

Date: 05-06-21

Place: Teleconference was duly recorded and accurately transcribed under my direction; further, that said transcript is a true and accurate record of the proceedings.

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