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1 Monday, 21 May 2018 1 that they have lost. The portraits which have been 2 (11.00 am) 2 prepared are a tribute to those people, and the work has 3 Housekeeping 3 been both moving and admirable. 4 MR RICHMOND: I am going to start this morning with 4 This room needs to be a calm, safe space for those 5 a practical demonstration. This is me turning my phone 5 people and for all of us, and so can I ask you to do one 6 to silent. Could I ask that everybody else does the 6 or two things during our sessions. 7 same thing. 7 Firstly, when people are going through and talking, 8 I know that some of you are looking for Wi-Fi 8 can we please keep movement in the room to a minimum. 9 passwords. We have a Wi-Fi password. Can I just tell 9 Of course some people will want to go out because 10 you what it is in case you want to get on to the Wi-Fi. 10 they're feeling overwhelmed or because they have to 11 You go on to what's called the "Conference" network. 11 leave for another reason, but can we try and keep 12 Once you're on the "Conference" network, there will be 12 movement during it to a minimum. There will be pauses 13 a drop-down menu which, if you are like me, will take 13 between the various commemorations and you'll be able 14 three or four times to get to work, and then you access 14 then to move. 15 the one that says "Inquiry". Once you're in "Inquiry", 15 Phones, of course, we have already spoken about. 16 the password is "Inquiry2018". 16 We are very pleased and we welcome our colleagues 17 I think if you've been coming to the hearings, this 17 from the press, but can I ask that, if you are in any 18 will be the first time you will have seen me or heard me 18 way tweeting or doing anything like that, you're aware 19 speak. Those of you who are with solicitors may well 19 of who is around you and that you're not disturbing 20 have met me already. My name is Bernard Richmond, I am 20 them. 21 second counsel to the inquiry after Richard Millett QC. 21 I see also some people have got their computers out; 22 I hope to speak to many of you today and during the next 22 again, please be aware of the people sitting around you 23 six days. If you see me, everybody who knows me calls 23 and that they may in fact be trying to concentrate on 24 me either Bernard or Bernie, and please don't feel that 24 what is going on and may find everything a little 25 you have to address me by my surname; first names are 25 overwhelming.

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1 perfectly all right. 1 We have ushers wearing ushers' gowns who are here to 2 Can I introduce you to some of the team because you 2 help, so if you need anything, just ask them. If you 3 may not have met them. I will be repeating this 3 need first-aid, if you need support, then please say so. 4 informal briefing in various parts during every day 4 We have counsellors available and you need only ask 5 because, of course, we'll have different people 5 and we will make sure you get to meet with one of those. 6 visiting. So if you hear this more than once, I'm sorry 6 If you want a quiet space then through those doors 7 if it gets boring. 7 there is a quiet room where you can sit, where no phones 8 Richard Millett QC is the senior lead counsel to the 8 are to be used, please, it's just a quiet space. 9 inquiry. My co-second counsel is Kate Grange QC, 9 Through there and up the stairs there is the prayer 10 I wonder if she could just stand up so people can get to 10 room. We will make sure that we finish in time for 11 see her. 11 lunch every day so you've got time to get to prayers and 12 The junior counsel who has been working with me on 12 on Friday we will finish early to make sure that 13 this particular part of the inquiry is Zeenat Islam, the 13 everyone who needs to get to prayers can do so. 14 solicitor to the inquiry is Caroline Featherstone, and 14 Upstairs you know there is a space where you can 15 the solicitor who has been helping me particularly and 15 have tea and coffee. Those of you who are bereaved, 16 us with this is Ross Howarth. 16 survivors and residents will see that there is 17 Mark Fisher is the secretary to the inquiry, and 17 a separate space where only you can go, and may I ask 18 with us also we have our three assessors, we have 18 that everybody else respects that. I will come into 19 Joyce Redfearn, we have David Nethercot and we have 19 that space from time to time to see if everyone's all 20 Joe Montgomery. 20 right, but I will always ask if I can come in and if you 21 So if you meet any of those around, please feel free 21 want me not to come in for any reason, just say so. 22 to speak to them. 22 That's your space and it's for you to feel comfortable 23 The important thing about the next six days is that 23 in. That's very important. 24 we are all here to support those who have been bereaved 24 You'll see the various emergency exits here marked. 25 in the tragic events of this fire to commemorate those 25 It's very important that if there is any form of

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1 emergency which requires us to leave that we do so in 1 I will announce every morning when the streaming is 2 a way that is safe and where everybody feels as 2 about to begin and it will be just before Sir Martin 3 comfortable as possible. Can I tell you that I and my 3 comes in. You will not be asked to rise when Sir Martin 4 team will be the last people to leave the hall and we 4 comes in; it's a different sort of hearing for the next 5 will make sure that you're all entirely comfortable. 5 six days. But so, as it were, we all gather our 6 The ushers and the security staff will take control 6 thoughts and we have a solemnity to the start of 7 and tell you where to go, but as you can see, there are 7 proceedings, I will ask you to be silent whilst he comes 8 numerous ways out and that will be done as soon as needs 8 in. We will then be having a silence at the start and 9 to be done. All right? So we've got that completely 9 there will be a silence on the last day, when I will 10 under control. 10 also read, in alphabetical order, the 72 names of those 11 It's going to be a very emotional six days. 11 we are commemorating. 12 I cannot promise that I will not find it emotional and 12 I hope all of that is clear. Again, thank you for 13 I'm not going to be ashamed if I do find it upsetting. 13 coming and supporting what I hope will be a meaningful 14 There are obviously in all of the presentations, the 14 six days. 15 commemorations, various parts which touch various parts 15 Thank you very much. 16 of our emotions. There are some parts which it seems to 16 Could I ask everyone to be silent, please, and 17 me may be particularly emotive and I will warn you if 17 streaming is about to commence. 18 there are specific things in a presentation which you 18 (Live streaming commences) 19 need to be aware are coming, not in any way to undermine 19 (Sir Martin Moore-Bick enters the hearing room) 20 what's to come but so you know. So, for example, in the 20 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Good morning and welcome to the 21 first presentation you will see a picture of Logan, and 21 first hearing of the inquiry into the fire at 22 you may find that particularly poignant. 22 Grenfell Tower in June last year. 23 I will warn you also if, as will happen again today, 23 In terms of loss of life, the fire was the single 24 you are going to hear the voice of somebody who died. 24 greatest tragedy to befall this city since the end of 25 I'll also warn you just before any commemoration where 25 the Second World War. The sight of the building

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1 the tower is going to be shown and if, as in I think one 1 engulfed in flame is indelibly imprinted on the memories 2 presentation, there is actually fire on the 2 of those who experienced an event of unimaginable 3 presentation. 3 horror. To experience it even at second hand in the 4 If I miss anything then I promise it's omission 4 form of photographs or video recordings is truly 5 rather than in any way trying to undermine what you are 5 shocking. 6 seeing. 6 When we die, we live on in the memories of those who 7 So I hope that's clear. 7 knew and loved us. It is fitting, therefore, that the 8 Two more things and then I think we can get started. 8 opening hearings of the inquiry, at which evidence will 9 Can I ask our colleagues from the press to remember 9 be taken, should be dedicated to the memory of those who 10 two things. Firstly -- and this is a request, and it 10 died. They will be remembered through the words and 11 can only be a request -- we request that the audio 11 pictures chosen by the people who knew them best and 12 visual pen portraits are used only in news reporting of 12 loved them most: their families and friends. They will 13 the inquiry proceedings and that they are not to be used 13 share with us their memories of those whom they have 14 for other purposes without the specific permission of 14 lost. 15 the families concerned. 15 During the coming days there will be much sorrow. 16 Secondly -- and I'm sure this is something which 16 Sorrow at the memory of lives cut short and sorrow at 17 you'll be aware of already -- a number of the bereaved, 17 the contemplation of promise unfulfilled. Sorrow at the 18 survivors and residents have, through their legal 18 loss of close relations and sorrow at the absence of 19 representatives, asked the inquiry to convey their 19 friends and neighbours. But that sorrow will, I hope, 20 concern that they be subject to unwanted approaches by 20 be tempered by memories of past happiness, of times 21 the media during the commemoration hearings. We would 21 spent together, and of former joys. And above all by 22 ask the media to behave respectfully and appropriately 22 thanks giving for those who, by their lives, enriched 23 towards bereaved, survivors and residents at all times 23 the lives of those with whom they lived and among whom 24 during the commemorative hearings. 24 they moved. 25 Finally, this, as you know, is being live streamed. 25 Although what we shall hear and see over the coming

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1 days may be described as memorials, they are in truth 1 On 15 June 2017 the Prime Minister announced 2 much more than that; they are an integral part of the 2 a public inquiry into the causes of and circumstances 3 evidence before the inquiry. They will remind us of its 3 surrounding the fire, and on 29 June she appointed the 4 fundamental purpose and the reason why it is so 4 chairman as chairman. 5 important that the truth be laid bare. Only by 5 Now, after many months of evidence-gathering, 6 achieving that goal can we ensure justice for the living 6 assembly and analysis, the inquiry begins the hearings 7 and a lasting tribute to the dead. 7 of this phase 1 of its work. These phase 1 hearings are 8 At the end of these hearings the names of all those 8 a search for the truth about the building and its 9 whom we're commemorating will be read out, but now, as 9 make-up, about the physics of the fire cause and spread, 10 was done at Westminster a week ago, I invite you to 10 the systems in place or not in place for dealing with 11 stand for 72 seconds' silence as a mark of respect for 11 a fire of this kind, about what were the actions and the 12 those who died. 12 decisions of the London Fire Brigade and the other 13 (Pause) 13 emergency services on the night, and about the human 14 Thank you very much. 14 experience of those who escaped and, in some cases, of 15 I now invite Mr Millett, counsel to the inquiry, to 15 those who did not. 16 make some opening remarks. 16 Phase 2 will examine all the other issues, including 17 Yes, Mr Millett. 17 who took the decisions that led to the building being as 18 Opening remarks by Counsel to the Inquiry 18 it was and why, as well as an assessment of the 19 MR MILLETT: Mr Chairman, Grenfell Tower is a 24-storey 19 firefighting and fire survival guidance strategies. 20 residential tower block, including its roof plant floor, 20 But Grenfell is not a lawyer's argument or 21 which stands in the Lancaster West Estate in North 21 a scientist's experiment. Grenfell Tower was not 22 Kensington, London W11. It was completed in 1974 and is 22 a public space used by countless, faceless crowds. 23 owned by the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. 23 Grenfell was home. Its flats were private and 24 For 43 years it provided homes for thousands of 24 supposedly safe spaces where individuals could live 25 Londoners in its 120, later 129, flats, 6 flats per 25 their lives, cook their dinners, do their homework, feed

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1 floor. 1 their dogs, host their friends and their families, 2 Between 2014 and 2016, Grenfell Tower underwent 2 pursue their work in or come home from work to. It was 3 a substantial refurbishment programme, the principal 3 a human space for human lives, each unique. That is 4 element of which was the construction of a cladding 4 what a home is. 5 system on the exterior of the building. 5 And for many who lived there, Grenfell was not only 6 Sometime shortly before 00.54 on the morning of 6 a home but a place of refuge. Many of Grenfell Tower's 7 14 June 2017 a fire broke out in the kitchen in flat 16 7 residents had made Grenfell their home because they had 8 on the fourth floor on the east elevation of the tower. 8 chosen to live in London, attracted here by its 9 Within minutes thereafter the fire had broken out of the 9 vibrancy, its work and career prospects and its 10 flat and into the cladding in which the building had 10 reputation for tolerance. Some had done so because the 11 recently been wrapped. By 1.29 am the flames on the 11 countries of their birth had become intolerable places 12 exterior had reached the top of floor 23 on the east 12 to live. 13 elevation. By 2.51 am all four elevations of the 13 And beyond that, Grenfell was not only a home, not 14 building had become involved in the fire. 14 only a place of refuge, it was a joined-up community 15 The last surviving resident escaped the tower at 15 whose members worked, played, prayed and lived together, 16 8.07 am on 14 June 2017. At 19.55 pm the same day, the 16 and who stood often together as a single voice demanding 17 then incident commander declared that there was no 17 justice and dignity. And many of them died together. 18 longer any saveable life in the building. 18 A search for the truth is always hard and 19 The fire at Grenfell Tower claimed the lives of 71 19 painstaking. That is because the truth is not usually 20 women, men and children on that night, and a further 20 one big thing, but comprises many tiny fragments. In 21 life on 29 January 2018. It was the largest 21 our search, using the tools of evidence and science at 22 fire-related loss of life in the United Kingdom since 22 our disposal, we risk losing sight of why we are doing 23 the Piper Alpha disaster of July 1988. It was also, as 23 it and the people we are doing it for. So it is only 24 the chairman said, the worst loss of life due to fire in 24 right that this inquiry starts not with the study of 25 domestic premises since the Second World War. 25 combustible materials, fire spread and the building

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1 regulations -- that will come soon enough -- but with 1 have a group of people with you and I wonder if you 2 the individual human voices and faces of this tragedy. 2 would like to introduce those who are with you this 3 Today and in the days that follow, you will hear 3 morning. 4 from the families and friends who have lost their loved 4 MR GOMES: Yes, absolutely. Excuse my voice; I've got 5 ones in the flames at Grenfell Tower and to whose memory 5 a cold at the moment. 6 our search for the truth is dedicated. 6 MR RICHMOND: You can pull that closer to you if you want 7 The bereaved have chosen to commemorate their loved 7 to. 8 ones in different ways, some by speaking to you 8 MR GOMES: I hope you can all hear me. 9 directly, some through their legal representatives and 9 On my right is my wife, Andreia, and my friend and 10 some by presenting a film or montage of photographs. 10 lawyer, Martin Howe, and also my friend and lawyer Dipti 11 As Maya Angelou wrote, there is no greater agony 11 and our key worker and friend Enid Grant, and also David 12 than bearing an untold story inside you. We hope that 12 behind me, who is also part of the lawyer group. 13 these days of commemorations of Grenfell's lost loved 13 MR RICHMOND: Well, you're all very welcome and thank you 14 ones will enable their stories to be told and the agony 14 for all that you've done to prepare this. 15 of those who bear them to be lessened by telling them. 15 Marcio, the way that you and I are going to do this 16 But there are some for whom the weight of grief is 16 today, we've agreed, is that you and I are effectively 17 simply too great to bear and who have chosen to grieve 17 going to have a chat and you are going to tell the rest 18 privately or in silence. For them, the inquiry is 18 of us about what you've prepared. 19 honoured to provide a voice with which to name their 19 Perhaps you would like to tell us first of all what 20 loved ones. 20 we're looking at now. You'll see there's a screen there 21 So may we remember victoria King, flat 172. 21 for you but we are seeing it behind you. 22 So may we remember Alexandra Atala, flat 172. 22 MR GOMES: Yes. 23 So may we remember Marco Gottardi, flat 202. 23 MR RICHMOND: So what's that we're looking at? 24 So may we remember Abufars Ibrahim, flat 206. 24 MR GOMES: So, "Twinkle twinkle little star, do you know how 25 So may we remember Abdeslam Sebbar, flat 81. 25 loved you are?" This was on my son's nursery wall and

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1 So may we remember Sheila, flat 132. 1 it was just our way of showing how much we loved our son 2 I will now ask Bernard Richmond to invite the first 2 Logan. Even though he wasn't born at that time, but 3 of the families to come here to the table to speak. 3 everything was ready for his arrival. 4 Thank you. 4 MR RICHMOND: You'd been working quite hard, I think. 5 MR RICHMOND: Sir, good morning. Can I explain how things 5 MR GOMES: I did work extremely hard to make that nursery 6 will proceed because they will vary. Some people will 6 what it was. As you probably know, we lived on the 21st 7 choose to speak from the lectern and some from the 7 floor and I live with my wife Andreia and our two 8 table. Families and loved ones may join them either on 8 daughters [names redacted]. On that night we managed to 9 the stage or, in some circumstances, at the chairs on 9 escape the horrific fire at around 4.00 in the morning. 10 the floor. For each person there will be a slightly 10 MR RICHMOND: I think you'd just like to pause because, 11 different arrangement and so between each of the 11 although you've mentioned the names of your children, of 12 commemorations I'll ask if we may please have a pause 12 course, we'd like any publicity to be very careful if 13 while that is done. If there are to be lengthy 13 possible not to name children to keep their privacy, and 14 preparations, I'll ask for a break so that people can 14 I think that's the same with your two children, isn't 15 stretch their legs. 15 it? 16 COMMEMORATION FOR LOGAN GOMES 16 MR GOMES: Absolutely, yes. 17 MR RICHMOND: The first of our commemorations is 17 So that same evening, when I found out that we had 18 a commemoration to Logan Gomes and I'd invite his family 18 lost our son Logan in the hospital, and that was the 19 and solicitor to join us on the stage. 19 time I had to do it on my own because my daughter -- my 20 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Thank you. 20 daughters and my wife were both -- were all in comas 21 MR RICHMOND: It's a really big room but you've got the 21 that evening. 22 microphone there to help you. Take your time. 22 MR RICHMOND: Take your time, there's no rush. (Pause) 23 Absolutely no rush. 23 But all three are okay now? 24 I know, of course, because we've met, that you are 24 MR GOMES: All three are okay. 25 Marcio Gomes and that you are Logan's father, but you 25 MR RICHMOND: Physically okay.

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1 MR GOMES: They're all physically okay and we're trying to 1 didn't care about the nursery; they wanted him to sleep 2 move on and forward. 2 with them in their beds. They would say to us, "Mummy, 3 Thank you. 3 daddy, you can go out, you can go and have your meals, 4 MR RICHMOND: So we're going to look at another slide now, 4 you know, don't worry about the baby, we'll look after 5 aren't we? I think you're in control there, not me, 5 the baby. You know, Logan will sleep with us, he'll be 6 which is good. 6 all right here." So much that -- my oldest loved his 7 MR GOMES: So this was our little star, Logan Gomes. His 7 nursery and the way it was decorated so much that she 8 due date was on 21 August but instead he was born on 8 wanted to swap. She wanted to sleep there, and said, 9 14 June. That evening I was fortunate enough to hold my 9 "Why can't I sleep in his room?" and he can sleep with 10 son -- 10 our youngest daughter. But obviously we didn't allow 11 MR RICHMOND: Just pause a minute because some people just 11 that. 12 need to take a seat. (Pause) 12 They were extremely happy with what was coming, so 13 MR GOMES: So I held my son in my arms that evening hoping 13 happy that they didn't care about not having summer 14 it was all a bad dream, wishing, praying, for any kind 14 holidays, because normally that's important for them, to 15 of miracle, that he would just open his eyes, move, make 15 go away and be on a beach somewhere, but they didn't 16 a sound. But as we know, that never happened. 16 care. They said, "We'll put it off, it's not 17 As a family we went on adventures already, even 17 a problem." 18 though he wasn't here. We did the Gruffalo search. We 18 He might not be here physically, but he will always 19 went searching. We found him but firstly we found his 19 be here in our hearts. And that will be forever. You 20 friends, the fox and the owl. Already we had so much 20 know, I know he's here with God right next to me, giving 21 planned for him in terms of adventures and what we would 21 me strength, courage, to take this forward. 22 do together. The girls, they were already planning 22 This is our beautiful, sleeping baby. 23 which football team he was going to support. 23 MR RICHMOND: That was absolutely beautiful. Thank you very 24 MR RICHMOND: Which team was that? 24 much. 25 MR GOMES: Well, the argument went towards my side, I think, 25 MR GOMES: He was so beautiful, so restful. He looked like

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1 so he was going to support Benfica from Portugal and 1 he was just sleeping, as babies do. At that moment, we 2 Liverpool from the UK. Yeah, and I think I got away 2 felt like our hearts had broken. At least we were able 3 with that one. But, in all fairness, they did agree to 3 to hold him and to be with him. 4 compromise on that and that was that they would go to 4 Our sleeping angel, he was. We let him go with the 5 Disneyland the summer after, which we would've been 5 doves so he could fly high and free. A friend once told 6 going this summer, should everything have been all 6 us that God gives his hardest battles to his strongest 7 right. 7 soldiers -- excuse me. And certainly this has been our 8 The happiness. You know, everyone was so happy that 8 hardest battle. And we're proud of him, even though he 9 Logan was going to be born. No more so than my wife, 9 was only with us for seven months. But he certainly is 10 Andreia, as you can see from the photos. She was just 10 always going to be a part of our lives. 11 glowing with happiness. The pregnancy suited her. And 11 You never know what you are made of until you're 12 all her friends, family, were all very happy that Logan 12 broken, and I can tell you this: my wife, she's made of 13 was being born. You know, we cried during the reveal 13 the hardest material I know. And without her strength 14 party that we had when I found out it was a boy. Maybe 14 and courage, I wouldn't be here. (Pause) 15 I've become a little bit of a cry baby nowadays but we 15 I might be doing the talking, but she's the one 16 all cried at that moment. The girls were really happy. 16 that's always rock solid. 17 And during the party, the baby shower, many friends were 17 And we love our son and always will do. 18 there and many presents and it was all happy memories 18 MR RICHMOND: That's very, very clear from what you've been 19 for us. 19 saying. Thank you for coming and telling us. 20 He was my gaming buddy. I could already see it. 20 I think we'll take a few moments, if we may, just to 21 You know, I could be playing the Xbox and he would be 21 think about what we've heard and for those who remember 22 there with me playing as my partner. He was going to be 22 Logan to remember him. 23 my superstar. 23 MR GOMES: Thank you. 24 Our daughters were already making plans as before. 24 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Thank you very much. That was very 25 We had a nursery ready for Logan when he was born. They 25 moving and it must have been very difficult for you, and

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1 I'm very grateful that you came to tell us about Logan. 1 family moved to Dorking in Surrey until 1971, when the 2 Thank you so much. 2 family moved again to Gravesend, Kent. We attended 3 MR GOMES: Thank you. 3 a Catholic primary and secondary school and Denis 4 MR RICHMOND: Just take a moment, just take a moment or two. 4 excelled in the subjects history and maths. He also 5 (Pause) 5 participated in other activities, such as the school 6 Now, there's going to be a five-minute break while 6 choir, being an alter boy and joining the sea cadets. 7 we change around, so people may want to stretch their 7 There was one other passion throughout Denis's young 8 legs if they may, but I will be rearranging things for 8 life that was to override everything else, and that was 9 the next five minutes and then we will hear the 9 his love of sports, especially football, in which he 10 commemoration for Denis Murphy. 10 became a skilled player, crosscountry running and 11 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Right. Shall I rise for 11 distance running. He ran for the school and district in 12 five minutes, would that be the most convenient thing? 12 1,500-metre races and went on to win many medals and 13 MR RICHMOND: Please, thank you. 13 trophies for his sporting achievements. 14 (11.40 am) 14 My brother Mick often tells the story of when he 15 (A short break) 15 lost his bus fare at school and Denis put Mick on the 16 (11.50 am) 16 bus with his bus fare and then ran home after the bus, 17 COMMEMORATION FOR DENIS MURPHY 17 which was a distance of 5 miles. At that time Denis was 18 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Yes, Mr Richmond. 18 only 10 years old. 19 MR RICHMOND: So we are now going to hear a commemoration on 19 As our father did not feature in our lives from 20 behalf of Denis Murphy from flat 111. And I think the 20 a young age, Denis took on the responsibility of not 21 first speaker is going to be Anne Marie -- is that 21 only being our big brother but also carrying out the 22 correct? -- who is his sister. 22 role of a dad to us. He had a strong set of principles 23 Good morning. I wonder if we could start, as we did 23 and values which he adhered to and instilled in us, his 24 before, with you just introducing who is with us on the 24 siblings, to follow also. These included to have 25 stage. 25 manners, to show respect to others, to help and care for

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1 MS MURPHY: This my mum, Denis's mum; this is Denis's 1 others and to love each other. In fact, he taught us 2 ex-wife, who became -- remained his lifelong friend; 2 and nurtured us to grow into the adults we are today. 3 this is Peter, Denis's son and only child; and this is 3 When Denis left school in 1977, the family moved 4 my brother Tim, Denis's brother. 4 back to West London and lived just off Portobello Road, 5 MR RICHMOND: You are all very welcome and thank you for 5 where mum still lives to this day. 6 coming. I think what you're going to do is read 6 Denis went on to take up a trade in painting and 7 a statement for us; is that correct? 7 decorating and worked hard until he was unable to do so 8 MS MURPHY: Yes. 8 due to health conditions. 9 MR RICHMOND: Well, again, as I've said before, there is 9 Denis continued to play football into his adult life 10 absolutely no rush. Take your time and pause as and 10 and went for trials for Charlton Athletic and Crystal 11 when you need to. 11 Palace. He didn't make the grade in professional 12 MS MURPHY: Thank you. 12 football but continued to play football for Sunday 13 MR RICHMOND: All right? 13 league teams until his thirties, when a cartilage injury 14 MS MURPHY: I, Anne Marie Murphy, speaking on behalf of the 14 forced him to give it up. 15 Murphy family, will say as follows. 15 Denis had such a caring nature and this was evident 16 Denis was born on 10 October 1960 in 16 in his voluntary work he used to do with adults with 17 Queen Charlotte's Hospital in Hammersmith. Mum says he 17 learning disabilities, supporting them to access 18 was born with a twinkle in his eye and a smile on his 18 activities in the community, and he got a real sense of 19 face, and he kept this trademark throughout his life. 19 achievement from doing this. 20 Denis was the proud son of Anne Murphy and was the 20 When Denis was 22 he met his future wife Tracey and 21 eldest of four children. He has two brothers, Mick and 21 in 1984 they got a flat together in Grenfell Tower. 22 Tim, and I'm his sister Anne, and was fondly called by 22 They went on to have a son, Peter, together in 1989, who 23 Denis "Little sis". 23 is Denis's only child. When Peter was seven months old, 24 Denis spent his early years living in North 24 they moved to a house in Mitcham, Surrey, and when Peter 25 Kensington until 1968. When he was 8 years old the 25 was four, they moved to a house in Tooting.

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1 Denis and Tracey eventually divorced but stayed good 1 he was a teenager and even travelled a number of times 2 friends, and Denis decided to move back to North 2 to Europe to see them play. 3 Kensington to be near Mum. He then got another flat in 3 Although Denis had health issues in his later years, 4 Grenfell Tower before 1997 and this was on the 11th 4 this didn't hold him back from his thirst for life and 5 floor, which was later to become the 14th floor. Denis 5 he spent his time helping out at a local boxing club, 6 remained living there until his untimely and tragic 6 watching his beloved Chelsea as well as other sports and 7 death. 7 visiting Mum on a daily basis. Mum would get great 8 Denis was a loving son, father, brother, uncle, 8 pleasure from these visits and the daily highlight for 9 friend and our hero. He was the linchpin of our family 9 her was cooking him his dinner after she had given him 10 and touched the lives of so many people. Once you had 10 a list of errands to do. 11 met Denis, you would never forget his warmth, wit, 11 Aside from visiting and ringing Mum daily, Denis 12 cheeky smile and love of life. 12 also had a ritual of ringing his son Peter, his 13 Denis had three biggest loves in his life: family, 13 brothers, Mick and Tim, and myself on a set day every 14 friends and Chelsea Football Club, and not always in 14 week. We would have our chats with him and, when the 15 that order! 15 call came to a close, Denis would always end it with 16 Denis was at the heart of our family and his love 16 "Love you, son", "Love you, mum", "Love you, bruv", 17 for all of us was unconditional. This was as 17 "Love you, sis", and we would always say "Love you" to 18 far-reaching as his aunts, uncles and cousins, here and 18 him too. 19 in Ireland, and also his nieces, nephews, great nieces 19 In the early hours of 14 June 2017 at approximately 20 and great nephews. Denis also had many friends he cared 20 1.30 am, my brother Tim was to receive the last phone 21 deeply for, and if you were lucky enough to have known 21 call he would have with Denis, informing him that there 22 him, you had a special place in his heart for always. 22 was a fire in his block of flats, Grenfell Tower. Tim 23 A great source of comfort to us as a family since 23 never imagined that this would be the last time that he 24 Denis's death is hearing the wonderful stories about him 24 would get to speak to Denis. 25 from people that we have never met before, telling us 25 At 2.32 am Peter and myself spoke to Denis and

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1 stories of how they knew Denis and the impact he had had 1 reassured him that we were on our way to him, also never 2 on their lives. All of these stories are testament to 2 imagining that we wouldn't ever get to see or speak to 3 the qualities he possessed. Some of these were loyalty, 3 him again. 4 caring, selflessness and his non-judgmental approach to 4 Other people always featured first and foremost in 5 everyone he knew and met. 5 Denis's life, and sometimes you had to look beyond the 6 A story we'd like to share with you is 6 strength he showed to understand the worry and 7 a conversation we had with Denis at a family gathering, 7 vulnerability beneath. When we look back at the life he 8 where he told us he had become a member of Unite, the 8 lived and the challenges he overcame, we really can't 9 bus union. We all laughed and said to him, "You can't 9 think of a better role model to have had. 10 be serious? You can't drive a car let alone a bus!" 10 MR RICHMOND: Take your time. Would you like some water? 11 Well, he was serious, as we were to find out after his 11 MS MURPHY: Ever since Denis has been gone, there's a gaping 12 death, when we received a phone call and an e-mail from 12 hole in our hearts that can never be filled. And it 13 the union Unite sending their condolences and explaining 13 hurts. It really hurts. We can't imagine a day when it 14 why Denis had joined the union. The reasons being that 14 won't hurt any less. The pain, loss and sorrow we feel 15 he wanted to be a part of the campaign to make his voice 15 is indescribable and has left us devastated. We as 16 and the voice of his community in Grenfell Tower heard. 16 a family feel strongly that there is no reason in the 17 Because we truly know that Denis loved his community. 17 world why anyone should have death forced upon them in 18 One of the proudest moments in Denis's adult life 18 such a horrific way, and the day Denis died, a part of 19 was when his son Peter graduated from university. One 19 all of us died too. 20 of his not so proudest moments was the day Peter became 20 To us, Denis was an inspiration, and we feel lucky 21 a Tottenham supporter, as Denis was a fanatical Chelsea 21 and blessed that he was a part of our family. His 22 fan. Him and Peter had lots of light-hearted 22 warmth and love will stay with us forever and he has 23 disagreements about their respective football clubs and 23 left behind an ever-lasting legacy. 24 Denis took great delight whenever Chelsea beat 24 There are three things that nobody can eradicate 25 Tottenham. Denis had been going to Chelsea games since 25 from our lives: (1) the memories we hold of Denis so

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1 dear, because he does not cease to be because he has 1 family want to be solidly beside her while these are 2 become memories; (2) the only possessions we have left 2 being read. 3 of his now, which are a recovered handful of coins, so 3 MR RICHMOND: You are uncharacteristically quiet, Mr Howe. 4 poignant to us as he would give you his last pennies if 4 MR HOWE: Am I? Okay. 5 you ever needed them; and (3) that we feel him walk 5 MR RICHMOND: If you would like to bring that towards you. 6 beside us each and every day. To us, his family, he 6 MR HOWE: I am going to read a commemoration tribute, words 7 really was our hero. He is our hero and he will always 7 on behalf of Saber's brother, Aref. 8 be our hero. 8 "Saber was not only my brother but my best friend 9 Thank you. 9 and the only sibling I had here in the United Kingdom. 10 MR RICHMOND: We'll now take a few moments, if we may, just 10 We did everything together when we were kids and, even 11 to think about what we've heard and to allow those who 11 until he died, we would always make decisions together. 12 knew Denis to remember him quietly. (Pause) 12 Being so close in age meant that, as kids, we grew up 13 Thank you very much for that very moving tribute. 13 playing, fighting and arguing. But, more importantly, 14 If you can wait for a second. I'll ask the judge if 14 we grew up loving and favouring each other over our 15 he would give us five more minutes; there is a very 15 other siblings. The bond we had was unbreakable. 16 large amount of rescaling to do for the next. 16 A bond like no other. We shared our times of trouble, 17 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Yes, of course. 17 of sickness and hardship, but most importantly we shared 18 MR RICHMOND: Thank you. 18 our happiness. Our kids grew up together and they are 19 (12.03 pm) 19 like brother and sister, a relationship that we had and 20 (A short break) 20 I still am proud of. 21 (12.08 pm) 21 "Losing Saber was like my world came crashing down. 22 COMMEMORATION FOR MOHAMED AMIED 'SABER' NEDA 22 I'd faced many blows in life, losing many family 23 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Mr Richmond. 23 members, but this was the worst. The way in which the 24 MR RICHMOND: Sir, we are now moving to the commemoration 24 fire happened, his death, and the sudden severity of it 25 for Saber Neda. The commemorations are in fact going to 25 all left me with so many questions and a big void in my

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1 be read by Mr Martin Howe and David Howe, solicitors for 1 life, which I have still not come to terms with. 2 the family. Good morning, gentlemen. 2 "We spoke many times a week, but on this particular 3 MR HOWE: Morning. 3 day of all days, we didn't speak. Not knowing -- we 4 MR RICHMOND: Perhaps before we start you would like to 4 didn't know what was going to happen later that night. 5 introduce who we have in front of us. 5 "It was Ramadan and we had broke our fast as 6 MR HOWE: We have -- 6 a family, something that Saber had done that night too. 7 MR RICHMOND: Please forgive me, I think there might be 7 We went to bed not knowing what was about to happen. 8 a problem. 8 I was oblivious to everything that was going on that 9 We are just checking whether we need microphones but 9 night. I switch my phone to airplane mode in the night 10 I think we're okay. If we do for any reason, I have one 10 so that I don't get disturbed. I did that on the same 11 here. 11 night. 12 MR HOWE: Okay. 12 "It was roughly 3.15 in the morning when a call came 13 MR RICHMOND: Perhaps you would introduce who is here. 13 through from my daughter to her mother in which she told 14 MR HOWE: So we have Saber's two nephews, Oris and Masi. In 14 us what was happening. Farhad had called my daughter, 15 the middle we have Saber's wife, Flora. Besides Flora 15 Fatima, and was repeatedly saying, 'Our flat is on fire 16 we have Saber's son, Farhad, and then at the end we have 16 and I can't find my dad'. He had told her they were out 17 Saber's brother, Aref. 17 but Saber was nowhere to be seen. 'I can't find my 18 MR RICHMOND: Well, you're all very welcome. I think there 18 dad.' 19 are three -- 19 "With Farhad struggling to breathe and us all being 20 MR HOWE: Indeed. 20 so shocked and confused as to what was happening, my 21 MR RICHMOND: -- commemorations to read and perhaps you'll 21 son-in-law brought his car around and we immediately set 22 tell us who we are going to hear from each time and take 22 off from Leeds towards London to try and find my 23 your time, as well you know. Thank you. 23 brother. 24 MR HOWE: The reason that the family are sitting in front 24 "After a drive that seemed never-ending, we arrived 25 here is because Flora has some mobility issues and the 25 in London and went straight to the Chelsea and

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1 Westminster Hospital, where Farhad had been admitted. 1 I hope we can get more answers from this inquiry 2 Trying to comfort him and looking at him laid there in 2 and, more importantly, justice for all those innocent 3 the condition he was in, I didn't know how to handle my 3 people who also lost their lives in this fire. 4 emotions. What was I to do? Do I stay there with him 4 Including my brother, Saber. 5 and comfort him, or do I go and look for Saber, who was 5 MR RICHMOND: I think the second commemoration is going to 6 still missing? 6 be read by you. 7 "Pretty soon the search began. Within an hour or 7 MR HOWE: This is a statement on behalf of Farhad Neda, 8 so, all family members were surrounding us and everyone 8 Saber's son. 9 we knew was out searching for Saber. Searching 9 "My dad was a unique person. I spent nearly all my 10 hospitals, the fire site, the community centres, 10 life before the fire with my family living on the top 11 churches, mosques, anywhere where we might have found 11 floor of Grenfell Tower at flat 205 on the 23rd floor. 12 him, where he might have been taken to. All in the hope 12 We are a very close and happy family. I grew up in 13 that we would find him, find my brother. 13 a safe home full of love and full of laughter. 14 "Hours went by, days went by, we never lost hope, 14 "My dad loved life and loved meeting people. He 15 always hoping and praying he was unconscious in 15 would get along with almost everyone, no matter what 16 a hospital or somewhere else, anywhere, as long as he 16 age, colour, sex or religion they were. He would treat 17 was alive. 17 everyone the way he wanted to be treated himself: with 18 "We never lost hope and tried to reassure Farhad at 18 respect. And for this reason he was loved by so many. 19 the time. Flora was in a bad way, unconscious and very 19 He was a man of deep integrity and fairness. 20 ill. We had to be there for Farhad at a time when 20 "Within the community of Grenfell Tower, my dad was 21 neither his mum nor his dad could be around to help him. 21 well liked by neighbours and friends in the tower, and 22 "I was always by his side, all through his hospital 22 in the 18 years that we lived in Grenfell, there was 23 stay. I see my brother in Farhad and this gave me 23 never a bad word said about him. 24 an immense amount of comfort and calm in what was 24 "My dad came to the UK in 1998 with my mum and me. 25 a horrific situation to be in. 25 I was only about 5 years old, but I can remember from

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1 "It was after Farhad was discharged and days went by 1 the moment that he set foot in the UK that he found 2 that the police asked us for DNA from Farhad. This was 2 himself a job and worked hard until the day he passed 3 when the fear kicked in. The uncertainty and the 3 away. He was the sort of person who would never 4 heartbreak that maybe we were not going to see or hear 4 complain about work and would never take a day off for 5 from Saber again. Maybe we had actually lost him. 5 being sick. I always remember him saying to me that the 6 "Pretty soon after, our worst fears were confirmed 6 day that he stops working will be the day that he truly 7 and my brother was now a victim of the Grenfell fire. 7 is sick. 8 My best friend, my brother, my role model, taken away 8 "For the last 10 to 15 years of his life, my dad 9 from me in such a way that has left a great big hole in 9 worked as a chauffeur. He would always wake up in the 10 my heart, a void that can never be filled. 10 morning, put on a smart suit and go to work. Dad would 11 "I spent the next few weeks in London staying with 11 dress smartly even on days that he didn't have a client 12 Farhad and making the funeral arrangements with him. 12 booking. He loved dressing well, which was evident from 13 Now we are almost at the year anniversary of the fire 13 his wardrobe, which was mainly filled with suits and 14 and there are still so many unanswered questions. 14 large collections of ties in all colours and patterns. 15 "The only thing I know is that my brother was 15 With his smart dress code and his unique character, my 16 a hero. He gave up his life for his family and for 16 father built a large customer portfolio for his own 17 others. He sacrificed himself in that fire in order to 17 chauffeur business, which included many VIPs. 18 put others first. That is just the brave and selfless 18 "In the many years that we lived in Grenfell Tower 19 person that he was, and that is a memory of him that 19 we got to know almost all our neighbours. From a young 20 I will hold in my heart for as long as I live. 20 age I remember my dad being friendly with all our 21 I will ensure that I am there for Farhad and I am 21 neighbours and he would say hi to all of them whenever 22 there for Flora, as that is what he would have wanted 22 they would pass each other. My dad would always 23 more than anything else. He would have wanted for them 23 encourage me from a young age to always greet our 24 to be happy and safe, even when he can't be there to 24 neighbours as he believed that this was a way of showing 25 give them that. 25 respect to them. It was thanks to this lesson from my

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1 dad that I became friends with so many people in the 1 Holland and Germany, where my mother and father have 2 tower. 2 brothers and sisters. I met my fiancee in Holland, and 3 "As a teenager, I went to Holland Park Secondary 3 one month prior to the fire, my parents and I were in 4 School in West London, and my dad took me to school most 4 Holland preparing for my wedding. I can still hear my 5 days in his car. My dad always encouraged me to do 5 dad's advice to me, telling me that I should concentrate 6 well, as well as I could, in my studies. He never put 6 on raising the deposit for a house and that I was not to 7 any pressure on me, but he always took a kindly interest 7 worry about the cost of the wedding as he was happy to 8 in all that I was learning. Dad would listen intently 8 pay for it all. 9 when I would explain to him what we were learning in 9 "As a family, we celebrated my engagement to my 10 school. He gave me all the support he could to help me 10 fiancee in December 2016 and my dad had told me how 11 make a success of my schooling. 11 proud he was of me and my fiancee. It causes us both 12 "He also encouraged me and supported me in interests 12 deep pain to think that my dad will not be there at our 13 outside of school. I started to learn the skills of 13 wedding. It hurts so much to think that he will not 14 Taekwondo at a young and my dad would bring me to my 14 hold his future grandchildren in his arms as he has held 15 classes and wait for me to finish. He was always 15 and protected me. 16 watching me as I trained. I became good at the sport 16 "I graduated from Kingston University with a BSc in 17 and I started competing in Taekwondo at around the age 17 engineering in January 2017, and it was so clear from 18 of 8 at Kensington Leisure Centre. My father encouraged 18 the smile on my father's face that he was very proud of 19 me in the sport and never complained about the long 19 my achievements. He had always emphasised the need for 20 distances he had to drive. He happily took me 20 education and my graduation with a degree in engineering 21 everywhere as I competed all over Britain. 21 was the icing on the cake. 22 "At the age of 15 I made it into the British 22 "At the graduation ceremony, Dad proceeded to buy 23 Taekwondo squad. I was selected to compete in the 23 all the official photographer's photographs of me, even 24 European championships in Poland. As always, Dad was by 24 though I told him that it was unnecessary. He replied 25 my side. He travelled with me to support me and look 25 by saying, 'Nonsense, son, you only graduate once'. My

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1 after me. We stayed together in the team hotel. 1 dad made sure the photos took pride of place in our 2 "Through my father's encouragement, I achieved 2 home. They were all destroyed in the fire. 3 second-dan in Taekwondo and I have won more than 25 3 "I was fortunate enough to work alongside my dad in 4 medals in varying colours of bronze, silver and gold in 4 the business which he had set up for high-end 5 both national and international competitions. 5 chauffeuring. He gave me the flexibility to be able to 6 "My dad worked hard to support me in this sport, to 6 study and to earn money to support myself. He was 7 the extent that, regardless of working a night shift, he 7 always there to take the pressure off me when it all got 8 would not hesitate in coming home in the morning after 8 too much. He would happily take on work that had been 9 that night shift, picking me up, and driving me to 9 allocated to me in order that I could concentrate on my 10 competitions dotted all around the country. I know that 10 exams which were happening at that time. Dad always put 11 he was very proud of me and my achievements in 11 me first. He never thought of himself before my mum or 12 Taekwondo. 12 me. 13 "My father and I were a great team together. I felt 13 "My dad was the sort of person who would help anyone 14 so close to my dad. He was my best friend and is the 14 who needed help. He would always put others before 15 man I admire most. 15 himself, no matter who they were. If a person asked my 16 "On one trip we went to Sweden, where I was 16 dad for help of any kind, he would sometimes think for 17 competing in the Viking Cup. And this, too, is a really 17 days of a way in which he could help that person. My 18 treasured moment. Together we visiting many countries 18 dad was a calm and very kind man. 19 for the first time, and I felt completely supported and 19 "I think if you ask anyone about my dad, you will 20 safe with my dad beside me. 20 find no one who will say a bad word about him. I am 21 "Unfortunately, all the medals and all the 21 sure that they would all mention how he was always 22 photographs I had taken alongside dad at these 22 smiling and that he was always a pleasure to be around. 23 international competitions were lost in the flames of 23 He has left everyone with very happy memories and dad 24 Grenfell. 24 will not only be dearly missed by us, his family, but he 25 "We also travelled as a family on many occasions to 25 will also be missed by many other people because he

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1 touched their lives and had a positive impact on them. 1 "Our one and only child, our son Farhad, was born in 2 "Since my father's death, I have missed him so very 2 Kabul in March 1993, and I remember how happy and how 3 much, every day. When I returned to work after the 3 proud Saber was that he was the father of a baby boy. 4 fire, I felt under a lot of pressure. I felt 4 "It was forbidden at that time to have men at the 5 overwhelmed. I felt that I could not support my mum and 5 birth of their children in Afghanistan, and I remember 6 that I could not deal with all the consequences of the 6 holding our newborn son, Farhad, up at the hospital 7 fire. I could not continue to run his business. I was 7 window so that Saber could see him from two floors 8 in a state of deep despair and shock. 8 below. I could see my husband's beaming smile when he 9 "However, one night I dreamt about my dad and he 9 saw us. The nurses at the hospital told me how proud he 10 came to me in my sleep, and he told me in his calm 10 was of the moment, and Saber being Saber, he had given 11 voice, 'Don't worry, son, I am behind you.' 11 all the nurses money to celebrate the birth of our son. 12 "Thinking about my dad and trying to do everything 12 They were overjoyed. 13 I can to be there for my mum and to honour my dad's 13 "However, Afghanistan was moving into dark times and 14 example has given me the strength to carry on, even 14 we went from the tyranny of the mujaheddin to the 15 though it is so difficult. 15 oppression of the Taliban. On account of Saber's 16 "My dad is dearly loved and he is sorely missed. My 16 position within the Afghan army, we were told that he 17 dad will never be forgotten and I know that he will be 17 was being targeted and that our lives as a family were 18 looking after us. He will always be behind us." 18 in danger. At the same time, the school where I worked 19 MR RICHMOND: There's one more statement to be read. 19 was closed down by the Taliban and they forbade any 20 Two things. I think we'll just take a second or two 20 women from working. It was such an oppressive time and 21 to let everybody just gather themselves and just find 21 a dangerous time. 22 out whether or not anybody needs some water. 22 "We therefore had to take the decision to flee from 23 Yes. I think, Martin, the other thing is that this 23 our country and we sought refuge here in the 24 third tribute is going to be followed by a recording 24 United Kingdom, as it is a country known around the 25 which contains Saber's voice; is that correct? 25 world for its respect for human rights and for fairness.

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1 MR HOWE: That is correct. It will be followed by the last 1 "We arrived in the UK in 1998 and this country gave 2 phone message that Saber left to his brother-in-law. 2 us protection. We were recognised as a refugee family. 3 MR RICHMOND: Ready? Okay, thank you. 3 We were very proud to become British citizens five years 4 MR HOWE: I am reading this statement on behalf of 4 later. 5 Flora Neda, Saber's wife, now widow. 5 "The majority of both Saber's and my family had to 6 "For almost 20 years we lived happily together in 6 flee Afghanistan because of the persecution. Our 7 flat 205 on the 23rd floor, the top floor, of 7 siblings have settled in the United States, in Holland 8 Grenfell Tower. We lived there with our son, Farhad. 8 and in Germany. Given how close Holland and Germany are 9 "We were both born in Afghanistan and grew up there. 9 to here, we spent many happy holidays and as a family 10 We met in Kabul in 1989. I had finished my university 10 visiting our loved ones in both of those countries. 11 degree and was teaching in a primary school in Kabul. 11 "Saber comes from a big family. He was one of ten 12 My school colleague and best friend introduced Saber to 12 children and he was very close to his younger brother, 13 me. He was her brother-in-law. I was 26 years of age 13 Arif, who lives in Leeds, and who, as we have just 14 at the time and Saber was 28. He had just returned from 14 heard, has been greatly affected by the loss of his 15 what was formally known as Czechoslovakia after two 15 beloved brother. 16 years of training in the Afghan army. When he returned 16 "Saber always instilled the importance of education 17 to Afghanistan, he was part of the training team for new 17 in our son Farhad. As he did in all areas of his life, 18 recruits within the Afghan army. He was a high-ranking 18 Saber led by example. He immediately started attending 19 army officer. 19 English classes on our arrival in the UK and also 20 "It was love at first sight, which was, at that 20 enrolled in computer classes. He always tried to better 21 time, difficult given the traditions of Afghan society. 21 himself. 22 My father did not take to Saber immediately. It took my 22 "My husband was a very hardworking man and, in the 23 father two years to give his approval to our marriage, 23 early years of being here, he was more than happy to do 24 and we were married in 1991 in Kabul. We were together 24 any work that he could find in order to support me and 25 as husband and wife for over 27 years. 25 Farhad. This work included cleaning, delivering pizzas

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1 and driving. He did some minicab driving for an 1 lie ahead for our son and perhaps a future filled with 2 employer and subsequently set up his own chauffeur 2 grandchildren in our lives. 3 business. He was extremely proud of his business and we 3 The second recent moment that had made my husband so 4 were proud of him. 4 proud was being at our son's university graduation 5 "Saber ran his own chauffeuring business for the 5 in January 2017. Saber was so filled with pride over 6 last ten years of his life and was so pleased when our 6 what Farhad had achieved in his young life, and it is 7 son Farhad joined him in the family business. I was 7 because of the support, love and fatherly direction 8 really happy seeing my husband and my son going to work 8 which Saber gave to Farhad that Farhad was able to make 9 together and working alongside each other. 9 and get those achievements. 10 "Saber was known to all his customers as being 10 "It is just so sad that my beloved husband will not 11 an honest and caring man. It was a reflection of his 11 be with us at Farhad's wedding and will not be there to 12 standing that so many of his customers came to his 12 see and hold his grandchildren or share in the joy of 13 funeral. Saber's funeral was packed. There was 13 becoming a grandparent. Those hopes and our dreams have 14 literally no standing room available. 14 been shattered. 15 "My son's cousin in Holland had posted a video on 15 "The chance to enjoy such special moments as 16 the internet almost immediately after the fire asking if 16 a close, loving family have been taken away from Saber, 17 anyone had seen Saber. It was a very difficult time for 17 and there is a heavy sense of loss within our hearts 18 the family following the fire. I was in a coma and 18 which will never, ever go away. 19 hospitalised. Farhad was also in a coma and being 19 "Saber had always been there for all of us. He 20 treated in a different hospital. Our wider family 20 never complained and he always did everything with 21 members did not know what had happened to Saber. They 21 a smile. He was my husband, he was my best friend. 22 did not know if he was dead or alive. 22 I miss him so much. He will always be the love of my 23 "A cousin received a call from someone in Holland 23 life." 24 who felt so moved to call him because he had once been 24 Thank you. 25 driven by my husband from Heathrow Airport to London, 25 MR RICHMOND: I think we're now going to hear that last

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1 and even though he had only been in Saber's company for 1 recording. 2 a short period of time in the car, he had the very clear 2 (Last recording played) 3 impression that he was a good and kindly person and 3 MR RICHMOND: So that concludes that particular part of the 4 wanted to say that. 4 tribute. 5 "Saber had that kind of effect on people. He was 5 So I see that it's 12.40. I wouldn't want the next 6 loved by family, he was loved by his friends, he was 6 people to feel in any way rushed. Can I invite you 7 loved by his neighbours and customers alike. He was 7 perhaps to break now until 2 o'clock? 8 a much loved and very popular man. 8 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Yes. We shall do that, then. I'll 9 "We were delighted when we were offered a flat at 9 rise now and we'll break until 2 o'clock. 10 Grenfell Tower back in 1999 and we were both very proud 10 Thank you very much indeed. 11 of our home. My husband and I decorated our flat 11 (12.40 pm) 12 regularly and we had very many happy times in there 12 (The short adjournment) 13 together. 13 (2.00 pm) 14 "We were a close community at Grenfell Tower and our 14 MR RICHMOND: Sir, good afternoon. 15 door was always open to our neighbours. Sadly, we have 15 Can I say two things before we start. The first is 16 lost many friends and neighbours in the fire, including 16 that I interrupted you at the end of Saber Neda's 17 two young girls on our floor who would regularly come 17 commemorations when I know you wanted to thank the 18 into our flat to see us. They always came in to look at 18 family for their contributions, so can I apologise. 19 the tropical fish tank which we had in our flat. 19 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Well, don't worry. I'd like to make 20 "Looking back over the most recent times in Saber's 20 it clear straight away that I'm already finding these 21 life, I would say that the two proudest moments were, 21 descriptions of the deceased extremely moving and I'm 22 first, being at the engagement party of our son Farhad 22 very conscious of the effort which some of those who are 23 in December 2016. Saber was looking forward to the 23 presenting them have had to make in order to tell us 24 marriage of our son and his lovely fiancee. And, of 24 about their loved ones. It can't be an easy exercise 25 course, he was looking forward to everything that was to 25 and I'm very grateful to all of you who have come along

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1 to do this. If I don't mention something specifically 1 MR RICHMOND: Thank you very much. 2 at the end of your address, don't think that I don't 2 MS SANUSI: This is a statement for Mary Mendy prepared by 3 appreciate it, I do very much indeed. 3 and being read on behalf of her sister Betty Mendy and 4 Thank you. 4 Marion Telfer, her niece. 5 COMMEMORATION FOR JOSEPH DANIELS 5 Mary Ajayi Augusta Mendy was born in the Gambia on 6 MR RICHMOND: Sir, we are now moving to a commemoration for 6 11 June 1965. She was hard working. She came to 7 Joseph Daniels, and that is going to be presented by his 7 England in the 1980s. In 1992, she gave birth to 8 son, Sam. 8 Khadija, which turned out to be the greatest and 9 Two things: the first is I think it was flat 135 in 9 proudest day of her life. 10 which he lived, and, secondly, that Sam has asked 10 MR RICHMOND: Sorry to interrupt, I am going to ask you to 11 specifically that there be no applause after his 11 pause to see if we can get the lights to come down just 12 presentation. 12 a little bit more, because there are beautiful photos 13 Thank you. 13 and we'd like to see them. (Pause) 14 MR DANIELS: My father, Joseph Daniels, moved to London in 14 Can you see all right? That's much better, thank 15 1982. Grenfell Tower had been his only home since then. 15 you. 16 The events of that night took his life and all trace of 16 MS SANUSI: She completely devoted her life to Khadija. 17 his existence in this world. He never stood a chance of 17 Marion says: 18 getting out. It should never have happened. 18 "I joined my aunt in December 1992. We moved into 19 MR RICHMOND: Thank you very much. 19 Grenfell Tower around 1993. My aunt and Khadija lived 20 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Thank you very much. 20 at the address until that fateful night where our lives 21 MR DANIELS: Thank you. 21 were changed forever. 22 MR RICHMOND: I'm not going to ask you to rise as you have 22 "My aunt was my hero. She has been in my life for 23 only just come in but there will be a moment while we 23 every major event. She was my mum as well as my aunt. 24 arrange the next two commemorations, who are going to 24 For the first time in my life, my aunt is not a phone 25 sit on the stage together. One is for Mary Mendy and 25 call away. She is not there to listen to my complaints

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1 the other for Khadija Saye. 1 or my gossip. My aunt made me a priority in her life. 2 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Take whatever time you need. 2 She was the best aunt and sister we could have asked 3 MR RICHMOND: Thank you very much. (Pause) 3 for. She was warm and kind. She welcomed everyone into 4 COMMEMORATION FOR MARY MENDY AND KHADIJA SAYE 4 her home. Grenfell Tower was a place all her family and 5 MR RICHMOND: Sir, the commemoration for Mary Mendy, who 5 friends could find shelter if they ever needed it. 6 lived in flat 173, is going to be presented by the 6 "Mary Ajayi Augusta Mendy was a carer who worked 7 solicitor for the family, Shakiratu Sanusi. 7 within her community. She was a humanitarian who made 8 Are you going to do it from there or from the 8 it a passion to help those less fortunate than herself. 9 lectern? 9 She frequently travelled to Gambia and offered donations 10 MS SANUSI: I'll do it from here. 10 to hospitals and other organisations. 11 MR RICHMOND: Would you introduce who is on the podium with 11 "On the night of 14 June 2017, our family lost two 12 you? 12 much loved members. My aunt was the strong one, the 13 MS SANUSI: Betty Mendy is Mary's sister. 13 fighter and the protector. The pain is unbearable. 14 MR RICHMOND: Sorry, could you just pull that in front of 14 There are no words to describe the emptiness that's in 15 you so we can hear you speak into it. Thank you. 15 our hearts." 16 MS SANUSI: Betty Mendy, she's Mary's sister. This is 16 Marion says: 17 Brian Jackson, a friend providing her with support, and 17 "I hate night time because night brings silence and 18 David Lammy, who is very close friends with Khadija, and 18 silence brings tears of sadness, because that's when 19 of course this is Marcia Willis Stewart. 19 I start to remember the blaze of fire. 20 MR RICHMOND: Thank you. 20 "There will be two empty chairs on the table for 21 I have been asked by people who manage the sound to 21 every birthday, Christmas and New Years, but they will 22 ask if you could put the microphone in front of you. 22 forever own a position in our hearts. We will carry 23 That's it, perfectly, that way we can hear everything 23 their memories throughout our lives, our children's, and 24 that you say. 24 our children's children. Although the pain feels like 25 MS SANUSI: Thank you. 25 forever, it will soon be replaced by happiness. All of

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1 the tears will be replaced by memories of joy. Until we 1 May I take a seat, sir? 2 meet again." 2 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Yes, of course. 3 MR RICHMOND: Thank you. 3 MR RICHMOND: Thank you. 4 I think we are now going to move to the portrait for 4 (Video played) 5 Khadija Saye from the same flat, and I think, Marcia, 5 MR RICHMOND: Sir, that concludes the presentation and, on 6 you are going to present that. 6 that really rather poignant and beautiful photograph, 7 MS WILLIS STEWART: "Dear Sir Moore-Bick, my daughter, 7 that concludes the presentations that we have prepared 8 Khadija Saye was 24 years old when she lost her life in 8 for today. 9 the Grenfell Tower fire of June 2017. She was very 9 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: If I may say so, those 10 gentle, very kind, and friendly. 10 were extremely impressive presentations and really bring 11 "She was born in Hammersmith, London, in 1992. She 11 to life again the people that you are commemorating, and 12 attended St Charles Primary School and Sion Manning 12 I'm very grateful to have had a chance to see and hear 13 Secondary School, both in Ladbroke Grove, West London. 13 them. Thank you. 14 She later went on to Rugby School in Rugby, 14 MR RICHMOND: Sir, that concludes the presentations we have 15 Warwickshire, and the University for Creative Arts in 15 today. 16 Farnham to study photography. Her burning passion was 16 If I may say, firstly, there will still be tea and 17 photography. Encouraged by her mother, Mary Mendy, who 17 coffee available upstairs and so please feel able to 18 also lost her life in the same fire. 18 spend some time upstairs with each other having tea and 19 "Khadija said to me one day, 'Daddy, I'm in love 19 coffee. I'm around if people need to raise anything 20 with images.' It was this passion that Khadija pursued 20 with me. But otherwise, may we please meet again 21 to the end because it gave her great satisfaction and 21 tomorrow, ready for a 10 o'clock start. 22 brought her joy and happiness. 22 SIR MARTIN MOORE-BICK: Yes. We'll finish now and start 23 "Thank you very much. Yours sincerely, 23 again at 10 o'clock tomorrow. I look forward to seeing 24 Mohammadou Saye. 24 all of you here again then. 25 MR RICHMOND: Marcia, I think what's going to happen now is 25 Thank you very much. Thank you.

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1 that there is going to be a piece of film. 1 (2.25 pm) 2 Two things: firstly, could you just tell us what 2 (The commemoration hearing adjourned 3 until Tuesday, 22 May 2018 at 10.00 am) 3 we're going to see, and then, before it's played, I am 4 4 going to ask that the lights are actually dimmed. I'll 5 5 do that for all of the videos so that, when they are Housekeeping ...... 1 6 played, we can get to see them in their best possible 6 7 way. Opening remarks by Counsel to the ...... 9 7 Inquiry 8 So what are we going to see? I'm sorry. 8 COMMEMORATION FOR LOGAN GOMES ...... 14 9 MS SANUSI: We are going to see a short video put 9 COMMEMORATION FOR DENIS MURPHY ...... 21 10 together following the documentary that was to be aired. 10 COMMEMORATION FOR MOHAMED AMIED ...... 29 11 She'd been part of a group of artists that had gone to 'SABER' NEDA 12 the Venice Bienalle, and following the unfortunate 11 COMMEMORATION FOR JOSEPH DANIELS ...... 49 13 events of 14 June, a short clip was put together 12 14 celebrating her and her burgeoning career, as it were, COMMEMORATION FOR MARY MENDY AND ...... 50 15 at the time. 13 KHADIJA SAYE 16 Together with her family it was discussed at length, 14 17 and her father, that it would be appropriate to show 15 16 18 that edited version because part of it was filmed when 17 19 she was at home in Grenfell, and also it exhibited her 18 20 talent and the poignancy of the development of her 19 21 career shortly before all of that. 20 22 MR RICHMOND: Thank you. 21 22 23 I am just going to ask that the lights perhaps be 23 24 lowered a little more and then, once that has been done, 24 25 we'll see the video. Thank you. 25

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