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Second Session - Thirty-Ninth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs Chairperson Mr. Doug Martindale Constituency of Burrows Vol. LX No. 5 –6 p.m., Tuesday June 3, 2008 ISSN 1708-668X MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Ninth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital N.D.P. ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley N.D.P. ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson N.D.P. BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli N.D.P. BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park N.D.P. BOROTSIK, Rick Brandon West P.C. BRAUN, Erna Rossmere N.D.P. BRICK, Marilyn St. Norbert N.D.P. BRIESE, Stuart Ste. Rose P.C. CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan N.D.P. CULLEN, Cliff Turtle Mountain P.C. DERKACH, Leonard Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary, Hon. Concordia N.D.P. DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside P.C. FAURSCHOU, David Portage la Prairie P.C. GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach P.C. GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson P.C. HAWRANIK, Gerald Lac du Bonnet P.C. HICKES, George, Hon. Point Douglas N.D.P. HOWARD, Jennifer Fort Rouge N.D.P. IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Garry N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. JHA, Bidhu Radisson N.D.P. KORZENIOWSKI, Bonnie St. James N.D.P. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar, Hon. The Pas N.D.P. LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. La Verendrye N.D.P. MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns N.D.P. MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden P.C. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARCELINO, Flor Wellington N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McFADYEN, Hugh Fort Whyte P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane, Hon. Lord Roberts N.D.P. MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East P.C. NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake N.D.P. OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River N.D.P. PEDERSEN, Blaine Carman P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Rupertsland N.D.P. RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia N.D.P. ROWAT, Leanne Minnedosa P.C. SARAN, Mohinder The Maples N.D.P. SCHULER, Ron Springfield P.C. SELBY, Erin Southdale N.D.P. SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface N.D.P. STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin-Roblin N.D.P. SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto N.D.P. TAILLIEU, Mavis Morris P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann, Hon. Swan River N.D.P. 159 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS Tuesday, June 3, 2008 TIME – 6 p.m. Ms. Kelly de Groot, Private Citizen Mr. Greg Georgeson, Private Citizen LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Mr. Jim Huggard, Private Citizen CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Doug Martindale Mr. Robert Diamond, Private Citizen (Burrows) Mr. William Gardner, Manitoba Employers Council VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Ms. Bonnie Korzeniowski (St. James) MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: ATTENDANCE – 11 QUORUM – 6 Bill 6–The Securities Amendment Act Bill 25–The Embalmers and Funeral Directors Members of the Committee present: Amendment Act Hon. Ms. Irvin-Ross, Hon. Mr. Selinger Bill 29–The Business Practices Amendment Act (Disclosing Motor Vehicle Information) Ms. Blady, Mr. Borotsik, Ms. Braun, Mr. Bill 38–The Balanced Budget, Fiscal Hawranik, Ms. Korzeniowski, Messrs. Management and Taxpayer Accountability Act Martindale, McFadyen, Mrs. Mitchelson, Mr. Saran * * * Substitutions: Mr. Chairperson: Good evening. Will the Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs please come to Ms. Brick for Ms. Blady at 10:21 p.m. order. APPEARING: This meeting has been called to consider the Mr. David Faurschou, MLA for Portage la following bills: Bill 6, The Securities Amendment Prairie Act; Bill 25, The Embalmers and Funeral Directors Mrs. Mavis Taillieu, MLA for Morris Amendment Act; Bill 29, The Business Practices Mr. Leonard Derkach, MLA for Russell Amendment Act (Disclosing Motor Vehicle Mr. Stuart Briese, MLA for Ste. Rose Information); Bill 38, The Balanced Budget, Fiscal Mr. Ron Schuler, MLA for Springfield Management and Taxpayer Accountability Act. Mr. Cliff Cullen, MLA for Turtle Mountain At our previous meeting, Mr. Borotsik moved Mr. Blaine Pedersen, MLA for Carman the following motion: That this committee Mr. Cliff Graydon, MLA for Emerson recommend to the House that it waive rule 92(2) for Mrs. Leanne Rowat, MLA for Minnedosa these committee meetings to allow all presenters to Mr. Kevin Lamoureux, MLA for Inkster Bill 38, The Balanced Budget, Fiscal Management Mr. Ralph Eichler, MLA for Lakeside and Taxpayer Accountability Act, to present for an Mr. Kelvin Goertzen, MLA for Steinbach unlimited amount of time and to accept questions for Mr. Larry Maguire, MLA for Arthur-Virden an unlimited amount of time from committee Mrs. Heather Stefanson, MLA for Tuxedo attendees. WITNESSES: The motion was ruled in order. At the time of Bill 38–The Balanced Budget, Fiscal adjournment, Mr. Faurschou had the floor. Management and Taxpayer Accountability Act Mr. David Faurschou (Portage la Prairie): Thank Mrs. Karen Boughton, Private Citizen you very much, Mr. Chair. I do appreciate the Mr. Keith Boughton, Private Citizen opportunity to once again speak in favour of the Mr. Andy Sirski, Private Citizen motion this evening. It is, as I was saying last night, Mr. Howard Rybuck, Private Citizen very important to recognize individuals that are Mr. Gordon Gillies, Private Citizen volunteering their time, taking monies out of their Ms. Peggy Prendergast, Private Citizen own pocket through expenses to pay for their travel 160 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA June 3, 2008 costs. They wait very patiently for their time to able to maintain a program at zero, that involves present and bring very, very good information to the significant, significant decision making and committee based upon their experience and prioritization. understanding. Obviously, they are motivated to I think it is a testament and a true make the presentation for the betterment of all that accomplishment that, through the tough years and live in Manitoba. the recessionary years of the '90s and the cutbacks I think it is incumbent upon us, the committee from the federal government, supporting education members, to allocate enough time to truly examine and health-care services and justice–I should the information provided by the presenters as well as mention justice as well–that was also experiencing given the opportunity to question the presenters to significant cutbacks from the federal government extrapolate on the information that is so vitally during the 1990s. All of this was accomplished. important to the committee and to the legislation to To the credit of the former administration, which we are currently studying. balanced budget legislation was passed and has been It is, with that thought in mind, that I've got to adhered to since then. This is something that a compliment the honourable Member for Brandon person should be proud of, but it also something that West (Mr. Borotsik) for bringing forward the motion, we here in this committee are now examining its so it gives us opportunity to examine the importance demise. of the presenters. This motion speaks volumes, if we * (18:10) were to pass this motion as how we should regard those that come before us and make presentation. Not to be able to take the time necessary to hear all of what our presenters have to say is truly a I know the honourable members opposite travesty. I don't know how members opposite can believe that it should be a time limit; that is look themselves in the mirror and say, no, I don't something that they are unwilling to reconsider. It's a want to hear from you. I've heard enough. I'm done. real shame that they did not believe that. For Whatever you have got to say, I'm not interested. example, the former Finance Minister who Take a hike. There's the door. That's what you guys experienced more than a billion dollars of cutbacks across the way are saying to presenters. and transfer payments from the federal government– quite the converse here under the current Finance This motion that we have here tonight is indeed Minister's tenure where greater than $2 billion has an important statement to presenters that we are here come by way of the federal government, in addition to listen, and that is what we as legislators are to the previously existing financing, this past year responsible for doing. I know there is a member who alone over $200 million more in exclusive transfer has extolled many, many times during question payments. period, from the government side, who says, new era A vindication of this government's prowess is of accountability. I would say that, if you're truly making Manitoba even a more have not province. If supportive of a Cabinet colleague, Mr. Minister, this members on the government's side of the House are acceptance of the motion before us would speak proud of that accomplishment, I hope that they take volumes and effectively add credence to the it home to their children and their spouses, friends statements made by his Cabinet colleague that this is and family and say, this is what we're really all a new era of accountability, because we're here to about–making Manitoba more of a have not listen and we're not going to shun anyone. If they province. have taken the time and made the effort and accounted for the expense of making their way to Here at this table, to cut off the former Finance committee, I think it's incumbent for us to regard Minister who has experience that none of us around their passion and commitment to the future of this this table have, that he had to accommodate and province by sitting a few more minutes and listening navigate through, making priorities, making very, to what they have to say and questioning to more very, conscious, hard decisions–I know the NDP fully understand what they are here to present.