Twissle Times Issue 43 September 2010

The Quarterly Newsletter of the a Entwistle Family History Association Twissle Times

www.entwistlefamily.org.uk September 2010

NEWS FROM THE COMMITTEE AGM In This Issue: Our 11 th AGM will take place at St Francis House, Hebburn Drive, Brandlesholme, Bury BB8 1ED on News from the committee Saturday 30 October 2010. AGM 1 The visit to Turton Tower will begin at 11.00am and Secretary’s Report 2 participants should meet at the Tower car park by Membership Secretary’s Report 3 10.45am. The cost of the tour will be £5 each. A Useful Websites 3 buffet lunch, at a cost of £6 each, will be served at St. Francis House from 1.30pm, followed by the AGM at 3pm. Inbox 4

Following last year’s success we hope you will join Turton Tower 5-6 us for an evening meal at the Red Lion at Hawkshaw St Paul’s church, Hoddlesden 7 http://www.redlionhawkshaw.com/ If interested please contact John Grundy as soon as possible so arrangements can be made. The Red Lion also has Betsy Entwistle of 8 some accommodation for those who may wish to stay overnight but early booking is advisable. Members GRO Certificate Ordering Service 8 with caravans may be interested in contacting Gelderwood , a site 4 miles from Bury email: Sir Bertine’s Castle at Bricquebec 9 [email protected]

Please let Brian Cook, our Treasurer, know if you wish to join the Turton Tower tour by Friday, 8 October as this will enable us to get a discounted entry price. Cheques (to include £6 for the buffet plus Editors: Eileen & Brian Cowen £5 for the Tower) should be made payable to the Tel. 01254 705292 Entwistle Family History Association and posted to [email protected] Brian Cook to arrive by Tuesday 19th October. www.cowen-ent.co.uk Partners are welcome (though only members may vote). Maps and travel directions will be sent to those who are attending. Treasurer: Brian Cook Pen-y-Gader, Tyn-y-Groes Conwy LL32 8SX John Grundy Secretary: Tel. 01492 650727 Tel. 0161 764 8718 [email protected] [email protected]

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Secretary’s Report Some of the data has been submitted to the GOONS (marriage challenge) along with Over the past year I have been slowly coming material from my own (Bury) databases. to terms with the Entwistle data accumulated by Barbara over much more than the 10 years One of my techniques is to abstract all the of the EFHA. Not an easy task, given that baptisms, marriages and burial data for a ‘Enties’ only come into my particular surname in a given area or at a lineage as a great great single church, and subsequently to build up grandmother (born 1805!). family groupings. This has two benefits o it gives an indication of the likely date I have been putting together various of a marriage because early computerised databases of Entwistles: deaths/burials eliminate some of the o birth / baptisms [18,000 entries]; marriage possibilities o marriages [9360]; an on-going o it gives the whole tribe. This can be operation is the abstraction of data really useful since forenames tend to (names of spouses) from the run through families (in my own case LancashireBMD and online parish there has been a John in each of the clerks. Dating Boyd’s Marriage 13 generations of paternal ancestors abstractions has also now been done. that I’ve managed to trace!) o deaths / burials [11,000]; o census details [24,200] in both family IGI (fiche format) provides a mass of groupings and forenames. information, but the structure of the information makes it very difficult to built up During this process I have been trying to link a picture of any given family - only by each entry to our members. Unfortunately computerising the data (particularly pre some of those links have been to ex-members 1837), can families start to be put together. and others have been to those who already knew of their connection, but some new links Hopefully you will now understand my have been made. request for your family trees. If you have similar data to that outlined above, then I Whilst Barbara had an encyclopaedic would appreciate a copy. Also, if you have knowledge of members’ trees, I am afraid that some spare time and would like to help in the I do not. The inclusion of “ The earliest known abstraction of data from various sources, I Entwistle ” on your membership application would love to hear from you! form is a help but doesn’t give the whole picture. Unfortunately there has been only a So far I have had a stall at one family history limited response to my requests for fair (in conjunction with the FH & submission of Entwistle family trees. I am HS), and hope to attend some more in the sure that more connections exist between coming months. Whilst there was minor members. Grateful thanks to those of you who interest, it is all about getting the EFHA have submitted details, whether on paper or as known. gedfiles. In March, I visited a couple of war grave Requests for help have been dealt with, and in cemeteries in Belgium, photographed some one case resulted in an article in Twissle Entwistle headstones and made notes of Times. In another case a non-EFHA member, Entwistles listed on large tablets. I have been read an old Twissle Times on our web site and able to follow up some of these names in recognised the name of his great grandfather MOD records. in an article relating to an unwanted certificate I continue to transcribe and index parish held by one of our members. I was able to registers in the Bury (Lancashire) area. This pass on details and received his family tree in also leads to further entries to the Entwistle return. This enabled an addition to our databases. Entwistle database, and the discovery of further links to members. I also hope to And finally , I hold my weekly consultancy induce the non-member to join us! sessions on family history in Bury Library. [John Grundy, Secretary, 28]

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Membership Secretary’s Report Therefore, I have decided not to renew my membership when it comes due in October." Subscriptions 2010/2011 are due 1 October but this year the AGM is not being held until That would be a great pity! I think she fears the 30 October. The Committee will she would have to seek out Twissle Times in recommend the amount to be paid to the AGM the Forum. Not so! There will be no change in and, if acceptable to the meeting, notices will how Twissle Times is sent out. be sent out at the beginning of November. Please do not pay until you receive a I can see there are advantages in the website notification from me as to the amount to be developments and it will mean that more paid. Any cheques received before the AGM information is available to all members, will not be banked until after the AGM. especially those who are computer literate. However if you feel they are too much for you, Again may I suggest you use GENfair to pay ignore them! You will find things are as before your subscription? Many members have used for you. We are still here to help you when this service over the last year. Provided you you meet those brick walls, we will still try to have supplied the correct email address find whether you connect with any other GENfair will send you confirmation of your members. Twissle Times will still be sent out payment as well as notifying me of your four times a year and we hope you will come payment. It is quick and easy. to the AGM. I am still here, valuing the friendship of long-standing members. I have received an email from one of our long- standing members: I hope to see many of you at the AGM. "Thank you for your e-mail regarding changes with 'Forum' I have decided that I am too old and [Elizabeth Cook, Membership Secretary, 10] technically illiterate when it comes to all this business about Pass Words etc. to keep up with Congratulations to Elizabeth and Brian Cook this advanced technology. I have enjoyed my on their golden wedding anniversary next membership of the EFHA, but feel that month! endeavouring to keep up with these changes of Pass Words etc. wears me out before I even start!

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Earlier this year the magazine ‘Ancestors’ ceased publication with National Archives, a joint publisher with Wharncliffe Publishing Ltd, reaching the end of its contract. A new magazine, with Wharncliffe as sole publisher, has replaced it with Dr Nick Barratt as its editor-in-chief. Its title is ‘Your Family History’. The first two extracts below were taken from the last editions of ‘Ancestors’ and the remainder from ‘Your Family History’.

Family Relatives , a pay-to-view site The Genealogist www.thegenealogist.co.uk has www.familyrelatives.com has launched a new added further Parish Register transcripts for Parish Registers project to comprise 5 million London, Kent and Herefordshire from 1513. baptisms, marriages and burials covering 1538-1900 primarily in . Origins Network www.origins.net is currently digitising a National Wills index. Old Bailey - details of about 200,000 criminal trials www.oldbaileyonline.org now cover 1674- In cooperation with the National Library a 1913. mass digitisation of newspapers is underway. For more information go to National Archives - MI5 files released www.bl.uk/news/2009/pressrelease20091016.html covering a variety of topics 1930-1955. Some of the files can be downloaded from [Extracted by Ray Entwistle] www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline ëëëëëëëë

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From Jane Shipley, Sent: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:58, Subject: Early Manchester Directory

Have you heard of this, published in 1800? The directory contains a list of six orders and resolutions of the sessions for the good Banck’s Manchester and Salford Directory; or government of licensed alehouses. These are alphabetical list of merchants, manufacturers, signed by Thomas B. Bayley, Peter and principal inhabitants, with the numbers Drinkwater, John Leaf, and John Simpson.It is affixed to their houses, &c. of particular interest to me because my Entwisles were still in England at the time. Manchester: Printed and sold by G. Bancks, They came to America with some money, and corner of St. Ann’s Square, 1800. the entry above contains the names "Entwisle" 248 pages, of which 198 are filled with the and "Thomas Bayley." directory, which contains 6336 names. My Thomas Bayley Entwisle's father and The borough reeve of Manchester was Mr. mother were born in England, and I have long Charles Frederick Brandt; constables, Messrs. suspected that Thomas Bayley Entwisle got his John Entwisle and John Baldwin; borough first two names from his mother's family. reeve of Salford, Mr. John Boardman; There is also a "William Bayley Entwisle" constable Mr. Jonathan Gunson. floating around from the same period, and I'm thinking he is Thomas Bayley Entwisle's brother, but I haven't proved that yet.

??? Just wondering if you have had occasion to see the directory, does it list any other Entwisles?

Please contact the editors if you can help Jane with this research.

From Carole Cockshott, Sent: 9 Jul 2010, Subject: Ralph Entwistle

I was interested in the article that appeared in our local library and finally visited the State the latest issue of Twissle Times about Ralph Records of NSW to see what they had and was Entwistle. handed a bundle of papers which included a well folded piece of parchment. It turned out Quite a long time ago I extracted Entwistle to be the signed death warrant for Ralph and names for Barbara from the various Australian noted on the back was the fact that his states birth, death and marriage indexes, execution had been carried out and the date. It electoral rolls, shipping indexes etc and of gave me a rather eerie feeling to be holding it. course the convict indents. This was where I came in contact with Ralph. My part in this was over as I was only looking for information from the date these ex pat On following him I was able to read about his Entwistles arrived in Australia. exploits in the newspapers of the time held in

??? As editors we are always delighted when members contact us to tell us of their research into their Entwistle ancestors. Please think about your own discoveries and consider whether there is a topic which might produce an article for this newsletter. Each quarter we worry about whether we will have sufficient material for publication but fortunately members turn up trumps in the nick of time!

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TURTON TOWER

In issue 36 of Twissle Times (December In the current promotional literature for Turton 2008) Australian member John William Tower the only mention of a bed is ‘the Entwistle described his visit to Turton Tower. Courtenay bed, which dates to 1593, brought He mentioned “My homework was a little to the house by the Kays in 1840. Although disorganized so I couldn’t see which bed and sold in 1890, the bed was returned to display sideboard belonged to Sir Bertine Entwistle in the house in 1978’ . (c. 1450) Most of the furniture was labelled as part of the Chetham Collection with no This does not seem to be the same bed! further details.” Perhaps this can be clarified during our tour of Turton Tower before the AGM next month? John had obviously been reading The Entwisle Family 1 by Bannister Grimshaw, who mentions the furniture left behind at Entwistle Lower House by Sir Bertine’s widow after his death in 1455:

…With respect to the furniture Dame Lucy left at the Lower House, an old black oak sideboard is still there, always going with the estate. A tenant of Lower House, named Kay, who died in the 18th century, bequeathed a bed to his wife: this eventually came into the possession of Kay’s daughter – Betty Marsh – who lived at Parr’s Farm in Egerton. This bed was bought at a sale there about 1840, by one of the Ashworth family of Bromley Cross, from which family I purchased it for Sir Lee Knowles, Bart., and it is now in Turton Tower.

I had learned from outside sources that it had in former days always been referred to as the Royal Bed – or Queen Anne’s Bed. (It is always Queen Anne). However, I find in the name Royal bed a possible corroboration of the tradition that Queen Margaret had on more than one occasion been a secret visitant of Sir Bertine in Entwisle, and this is supported by the fact that both sideboard and bedstead are carved in the Flamboyant style, which was so popular in France in the 14th and 15th centuries. The natural inference is that it was brought from France to England, probably when he had his new hall built, and prior to the expulsion of the English from France. 2

So, it seems that this bed was at Turton Tower about 100 years ago. Sir Lees Knowles, 1st Baronet, (1857 – 1928) was MP for Salford from 1886 until 1906 but his connection with Turton Tower remains unclear to me.

Door at Turton Tower

1 [Eileen Cowen, Editor, 241] Grimshaw, Bannister, 1924, The Entwisle Family: Accrington, Lancashire, The Accrington Gazette, 136 p. Available to EFHA members on our website 2 ibid

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Two Owners of Turton Tower

in London and sold it at a good profit in Manchester. His wealth became so apparent that the authorities wanted him to become a knight; he refused and was fined. Later, though, he became High Sheriff of Lancashire and was forced to undertake rather onerous duties for which he felt too old. He worried that Parliament under Cromwell’s rule might appropriate his fortune so he placed a large chunk of it in benevolent foundations to found a blue coat school for forty poor boys which eventually became Cheetham’s Hospital and then Cheetham’s School of Music. His money The oldest part of the Tower that we see today also helped found Cheetham’s and other was built sometime in the 15 th century when a libraries. Pele tower became necessary for the defence of the area. There had been a structure The linen industry was the precursor to the before this and from the early 13th century cotton industry in the north of England. Apart this had been part of the barony of from Lancashire, it was the staple industry in Manchester. The Tower was enlarged and parts of Yorkshire. James Kay , born at altered over the next 500 years by the Lords Edgefold Farm near Entwistle in 1774, was a of the Manor of Turton. The fortifications th British inventor who produced a wet spinning were improved in the late 16 century. The process for flax in 1824 which helped Tower was bought by Humphrey Cheetham industrialise production and helped Britain in 1628 and passed to his descendants when lead the world in linen textiles. He had three he died in 1653. As it became less important spinning mills at Preston, Penny Bridge and at for defence, it was leased by farmers and fell Pendleton and with the fortune they made him, into a sad state of disrepair. Only the money purchased Turton Tower in 1835, the building and energy of James Kay who bought it in that had once been his local manor house. 1835, saved it from ruin. Despite losing his patent rights in a dispute with a Yorkshire linen manufacturer in 1841, Humphrey Cheetham , the third son of a he renovated the Tower and placed his own successful merchant, was born in Crumpsall stamp on the building by adding the Dutch Hall, Harpurhey, Manchester in 1580. gabled façade. He sold the Tower to Anne and Humphrey made his fortune by the classic Elizabeth Appleton. Kay died in 1857. merchant route, he “bought cheap and sold dear.” In his case, he bought cheap linen cloth [Brian Cowen]

Postal Library & Research

Contact: Maureen Fisher Ightenhill Farm, 150 Ightenhill Park Lane Burnley, Lancashire, BB12 0RP Telephone: 01282 435438 Email: [email protected]

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ST PAUL’S CHURCH, HODDLESDEN There are between 30 and 35 Entwistle graves in this churchyard many with multiple occupancy. The church was consecrated on 24 June 1863 and demolished due to dry rot in the 1970’s. For a photograph of the old church and churchyard see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/OverDarwen/StPaul.shtml

Mr William Bayne Ranken, owner of the Some noteworthy (to some!) statistics: Hoddlesden Estate, contributed £3,000 towards the original building cost of just over First Vicar : - Rev G W Reynolds 1863-1867. £5,000. The style of the building was Longest Serving Vicar : Rev Stanford Harris decorated gothic, designed by E. G. Paley, an M.A. 1881-September 1899, when he died in architect who worked mainly in the north west his 80th year. He is buried in Grave No. 1213. of England. Oldest person buried in the graveyard: At the opening of the graveyard, some charges Martha Ward, who died June 22nd 1988, aged were: 100 years. She is buried in Grave No. 749. • parishioners - new grave - £2 First person buried in the graveyard: - • non-parishioners - new grave - £7 (of Margaret Leach aged 82 years, who died 4th this £2 credited to churchyard July 1863. She is buried in Grave No 1534. account) • opening fee - non parishioners - Youngest persons buried in the graveyard: - £1.10 Mary Owen, who died 24th June 1938 aged 3 • opening fee - parishioners - £1 minutes, and Annie Fielding, who died 11th • minister fee + certificate - 15s.6d Nov 1891, also aged 3 minutes. Mary is in Grave No 1554 and Annie is buried in Grave • sexton - 10s.0d No. 1686

Earliest date on a gravestone: August 1848. In 1878 a bell tower was added at the north Oliver Duxbury aged 68 years (15 years before end of the church and a peel of bells was the building of the church so he was probably placed in it by public subscription. buried elsewhere.) The number of sittings was 579 of which 209 Deepest grave: Grave No. 1444 at 11 feet. It were free. That means that 370 people paid for contains Adcroft, Hacking & Watson remains. themselves and their family to sit in their very Number of graves: At least 1719 plots are own pew. listed in the Grave book but the burial book suggests many remain unoccupied. World War One memorials There are 13 casualties from WW1, including: • Grave No. 403, 1574 Private James Entwistle Cooper , East Lancashire Regiment, 23rd June 1920, 42yrs • Grave No. 1179, Private Benjamin Entwistle, died in Germany, November 6th 1918, aged 32

??? If you think one of your ancestors may be buried here please contact the editors or [email protected] for a transcription and/or photograph of the gravestone.

[Jean Machin, 282]

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BETSY ENTWISTLE OF DARWEN

A lovely photograph of Betsy Entwistle which appears on the with Darwen website www.cottontown.org

‘Darwen’ is given as the location of the photograph but there are no further clues about Betsy’s identity on the site.

The background looks more like a seaside promenade than Darwen!

??? I wonder if any reader recognises Betsy as a family member. Here is a portrait of Betsy, also from www.cottontown.org

GRO BMD Certificate Ordering Service For E.F.H.A. members only - new service through GENfair - £12. This includes the cost of the certificate, GENfair’s commission and the cost of posting the certificate to you. EFHA will retain a copy of the certificate for our records and details will be entered on the massive database John Grundy is compiling.

Go into GENfair at www.genfair.co.uk/ Then click on Suppliers and scroll down to Entwistle FHA . Click on Certificate Ordering Service. You will be asked to provide your Entwistle FHA membership number and details of the Certificate required. Please note: GENfair and EFHA will take no responsibility if the incorrect certificate is ordered nor will they be liable to refund the customer. If you are unsure of the details of the Certificate you require we suggest before ordering you contact our Research Co-ordinator , Maureen Fisher [email protected] or Secretary, John Grundy JTGRUNDY@ aol.com.

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SIR BERTINE ENTWISTLE’S CASTLE AT BRICQUEBEC

Many years ago after Eileen and I were caught it, to raise the money for his ransom, to Sir Bertie in a force 9 gale on the way to France with Entwistle, who fought at Agincourt, and who held it three young children, we landed safely from till the battle of Formigny expelled the English from the ferry and made our first rest stop at Normandy, and Sir Bertie fell at St. Albans in the Lancastrian cause.” Bricquebec. We alighted from the car with immense relief and put our feet on solid, stable ground. We wandered in the early morning light, still a little dazed from the crossing, around the picturesque village square, admiring the ruins of Sir Bertine’s old home.

When Eileen and I first visited the village after that awful sea-crossing it was some time before we thought about food but I seem to remember seeing a rather elegant restaurant nestling somewhere in the castle, possibly in the stone buildings within the lower bailey. 3 Keep at Bricquebec When Mrs Palliser visited, she had found an interesting and rather unwholesome inn Bannister Grimshaw writes about Bricquebec amongst the ruins. Castle in The Entwistle Family . He acknowledges his use of Brittany and its “The inn, "Hôtel du Vieux Château," is within the Byways by Fanny Bury Palliser and actually enclosure of the ruins - a most dilapidated old place; copies her almost word for word, although he our dirty ill-furnished room next to a hayloft, the says he disagrees with some of her historical horses passing through the house to the stable, and assumptions. Fanny Palliser wrote her travel every kind of litter and rubbish accumulated under book in the mid 19th century, describing her the windows. Yet in the room we occupied had once slept our gracious Sovereign Queen Victoria. On a tour around a very rural and often rather placard is inscribed, "Chambre de la famille royale primitive area of France. She travelled by train d'Angleterre, 18 Août 1857" and below stairs is to the station at Sottevast and then by (horse- another, setting forth, "S. M. la Reine d'Angleterre, drawn) omnibus for the final 5 miles to le Prince Albert, les Princesses Royale et Alice, le Bricquebec. This is what she says about it: Prince Alfred, sont descendus à l'hôtel du Vieux Château le 10 Août 1857." 4 “Its ruined castle, dating from the end of the fourteenth century, with its lofty octagonal donjon, We didn’t try to find a room in the inn but we nearly a hundred feet high, standing on a high did eat in the village, though not in the elegant "motte" or artificial mound, has a most imposing restaurant. Our meal, ‘croque monsieurs’, was appearance. Bricquebec, the most considerable demesne of the Cotentins, was taken by King Henry eaten across the square in a little cafe, from V from the Sire d'Estouteville ... Henry gave where we set off to the family waiting to Bricquebec to William de la Pole, Earl of Suffolk, welcome us near Dinan. the ill-fated favourite of Queen Margaret of Anjou, [Brian Cowen] and he, on being taken prisoner by the French, sold

4 Palliser, Fanny Bury, 1869, Brittany & Its Byways: Some 3 Thanks to Marko Tjemmes’ website for this photo: Account of its Inhabitants and its Antiquities; During a http://www.castles.nl/eur/fr/bb/bb.html Residence in that Country.

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Don’t forget!

Check out our Website! www.entwistlefamily.org.uk

Apart from the interesting articles openly available, EFHA members may also download from the Members-Only section: • Entwistle related Census Records. These are listed alphabetically by county, then by town within each county. Other counties with a larger number of Entwistles will appear later as a separate list. Note: Cheshire, Derbyshire, Durham, Essex, Hampshire, Kent, Lancashire, Middlesex, Staffordshire, Su rrey and Yorkshire not included yet. • past issues of our newsletter - Twissle Times. It seems a few members have reported problems receiving and downloading our quarterly newsletter, Twissle Ti mes. It is sent out as an Adobe.pdf file attached to an e-mail but is also available to download from the member’s area on the EFHA web site www.entwistlefamily.org.uk/efha_members . So, if a ll else fails, login to your Member’s Account, click on the Twissle Times folder, and click the latest edition of Twissle Times file, which will appear at the bottom of the list of archived editions - something like: TTMar10.pdf . In the same folder is an index to the first 10 years of Twissle Times. (Also added as an appendix to theMarch 2010 issue.) • a .pdf copy of Bannister Grimshaw's book "The Entwisle Family" published in 1924. The book, which is 72 pages of extensive research into the local family hist ory, with illustrations, has real historical significance going back to the thirteenth century and beyond. Original copies now change hands for upwards of £40.

Our New Forum: A new improved Forum has now been added to the EFHA web site. This is the first stage of our web development programme aiming to improve communication and research resources for our members.

Members will need to Register to use this Forum with a User Name and Password . Save these in a safe place and remember, these will be different to your Member Login details. Also, remember this is an Open Forum - open to non-members as well as members. At a later date we will be adding more resources which are entirely member based , allowing communication between members -only, including facilities to display and exchange research and family tree data. One possibility under discussion includes adding the PhpGedView program. If you wish to try out a demo version of this, follow this link: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index. php?title=Download_v4.2.x where you will find a Windows Demo and a download link. When it has finished downloading, open the zipped file and double -click on the .exe file. [Tom Entwistle, Webmaster]

IT REALLY IS WORTH B ECOMING A MEMBER!

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