461 Statutory resolution PHALGUNA 7,1913 [SAKA) StatL by Minister 462 re. continuance of proclamation in re. instatement of Raiway respectofJ&K em ployees The civil administration must be restored STATEMENT BY MINISTER and the people must be allowed to exercise their fundamental rights. Today a number of 17.20 hrs. black laws are operating in Kashmir, much more harshly than in the rest of the country. R e: Supptementaries raised In re p ly to And the people ask: Do you consider us as - starred question No. 1 Re: Re-instata- * Indian citizens, do you consider us as sub­ ment of Railway Em ployees ject to Indian laws and Indian Constitution and Fundamental Rights? Do they not exist [E n g lish ] for us? We must convincethem that they are apart of the Indian State and Indian State is THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (SHRI a benign State, is a welfare State, is a C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF): Sir, as directed by democratic State, is a peaceful State and is Hon’ble Speaker on 25.02.1992, i have a secular State. We have got to convince personally gone into the records available in them on that the Ministry of Railways. Ifindthattheissues which had agitated the Hon’ble Members We should try to revive the economy. yesterday have already been covered by my Kashmir is suffering today. Its economy has Hon*bto predecessor Shri Janeshwar NBshra absolutely gone to pieces. People are in a in on 11.03.1991. state of increasing deprivation and that we must try to secure them. I quote from his statement as under.-

[ Translation] Finally, we must start talking. Home Minister would immediately retaliate by *l may, however, inform the Hon. saying, "with whom?” The first question is, Members about the decision taken by the what are we prepared to talk on ? We are not prevbus Government in this regard. Shri prepared to talk on recession. But we should had taken a decision to be prepared to talk on the limits of autonomy reinstate these dismissed empbyees and for them. Let us have a master plan, let us the draft proposal was placed before the have a strategic vision in which, as I said, our Cabinet The Cabinet had also given its sovereignty remains unnegotiable but the approval. But in the meantime, BJP with­ constitutional terms for the continuance of draw support to the Government, therefore, Kashmir as a part of the country can be the President said that the then Cabinet had negotiated. And, therefore, he should talk no power to take such adecisbn and hence first to the non-political intelligentsia. He order may be rescinded and the order was should talk to the political leaders whom he rescinded during the regime of the V.P. kept in prison and finally, if necessary, he Singh Government". should al90 talk to the militants, to the man with the gun, because he is there and we This was a statement made by Shri have to understand the man with the gun, in Janeshwar Mishra which is on record. He order to bring him back to the ways of peace. made this statement on the floor Of the House. I am just quoting him.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Loka- [English] nath Choudhury to speak now. Before that the Hon. Railway Minister will make a state­ The reoords confirm that the above ment. Statement is based on facts.

Whatever my colleague, Shri MaF likarjun, had stated in the House is b confor­ [Sh. C.K. Jaffer Sharief] ment on why you have not re-employed them. (interruptbns) mity with the records. This is based on facts. (Interruptions) MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: May I ro- quest the Hon. Members to resume their SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV seats. Whenever the Chair is on his legs, all (Azamgarh): No, it is not correct. Please do the Hon. Members are required to take their not make another wrong statement He never seats. This is the well established practice. mentioned about Rashtrapathiji's We are being very much agitated unneces­ direction. ( interruptions) sarily. There is a norm in the House and we shall have to follow it. If at all you need any SHRI ANIL BASU (Arambagh): Sir, ei­ clarification, one by one can get up and ask ther Shri Mallikarjun should correct his state­ the clarification. If ail the Members were to ment or he should apologise to the talk together, how can the reporters take the House.(lnterruptbns) proceedings? It creates a lot of confusion. It throws the House to disorder. I think none of SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: Kindly u§ is prepared to share these views. * bear with me.(lnterrupibns) SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: Let me MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please get submit with all humility to the Hon. Members back to your seats. You may ask whatever of the House that we have no less respect to clarifications you want to ask my friend Shri who is the former Prime Minister of this country. (interruptbns) There is no intention of denigrating anybody or put the blame on anyone. I must say in all MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: My appeal to fairness, whatever Shri V.P. Singh has done all the Hon. Members is to kindly resume is also in accordance with the propriety of the their seats. Constitution. When a Government is voted out, when some advice comes, what he had (Interruptbns) to do in obligation to his responsibilities, he had done it There is no question of attribut­ SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: Please ing any motives to anyone. Whatever my let me complete. ^ earlier colleague Hon. Shri Janeshwar Mishra, as the Railway Minister had

SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: Please SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: I have let me complete. already told that it is not international. Even what he said is virtually there on record MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please res­ already. He just repeated it. So let us forget ume your seats. You can ask any clarifica­ it and let us not get exercised over iL tion. [Translation] (Interruptbns) SHRI (Rosera): SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you please seethe (Dumdum): You should also make a stale- ruling given by the Speaker, yesterday. Ha re, restatement em pbyees had only referred to the statement made by not say that there will be a discussbn arising Shri Mallikarjun yesterday ...... (Interruptions ) out of the answer.

[E nglish] SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: In the Rules Committee we have discussed SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJESWARI it and the Chair has been given the (Bellary): There is no provision to allow a pow er.(lntemjptbns) discussion after a Minister has made his statement. [Translation]

SHRI ' SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Mr. Dep­ (Maihaduturani): As far as I understand the uty Speaker, Sir, the issue over which Hon. rules of procedure, in the Lok Sabha after a Minister yesterday...... (Interruptbns) statement is made by a Minister, there is no provision for a discussion. There is such a SHRI PETER G. MARBANIANG (Shil­ provision in the . But there is no long): If they want a discussbn, they can ask such provision in the Lok Sabha. We would for a haif-an-hour discussbn. therefore request you to please observe the rules of procedure. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: This is not the first time that the Chair has allowed a SHIR ANIL BASU: He is referring tothe Member to seek clarifications. ruling of the Speaker. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is a lot MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This is not a of difference between a suo motu statement suo m otu statement made by the Hori. and a statement arising out of a questbn. Minister. This arises out of a questbn al­ Where sufficient information is notforthcom- ready put. ing, under such circumstances a statement is made. On a policy, suppose if the Hon. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Yes. you Minister wants to make a statement on a are right. particular incident or an accident or any other thing, under such circumstanoes no SHRI MANI SHANKAR AIYAR: It is supplementaries could be put It is an estab­ separately notified that there will be a half- lished principle. an-hour discussbn arising out of an answer given to a question in the House. But there is (Interruptbns) no provision inour rules of procedure for you to permit Shri Ram Vilas Paswan or anyone SHRI PETER G. MARBANIANG: This ques­ else to initiate a discussbn. tion was brought today because of the ruling of the Speaker.( Interruptbns) * MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: For your knowledge I may read: MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let us hear the points of order one by one. "Statement to be made by the Minister of Railways in the Lok (Interruptbns) ...... Sabha on 26.02.1992 in connec­ tion with the supplementaries raised SHRI RAM KAPSE (Thane): Sir, my in reply to Starred Question No. 1 point of order is this. You have given a ruling; answered on 25.02.1992, regard­ the Members cannot discuss your ruling, ing re-instalement of Railway and they cannot comment on the ruling. Now Empbyees." you have allowed Shri Paswan to speak and please continue with this (Interrup­ SHRI MANI SHANKAR AIYAR: It does tions) ...... SHRI P.M.SAYEED (Lakshadweep): In this case, only a half an hour discussion Mr. Deputy Speaker, with due respect to can be allowed, if at a l a discussion is your ruling, I would say that there has never necessary’ I want your ruling on this, been any convention established in this Sir. (Interruptions) ...... House to differentiate a suo-m otu statement and otherwise. Any statement made on the THE MINISTER OF STATE III' THE floor of this House is not to be followed by a MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS discussion or clarification, of course, that is AND MINISTER OF STATE M THE MINIS­ left to you. But, so far, there was no differen­ TRY OF LAW. JUSTICE AND COMPANY tiation between a suo-m otu statement and AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARAJAN otherwise. KUMARAMANGALAM): Mr. Deputy Speaker,Sir, you have rightly said that there (Interruptions )...... can be two types of statements. One is a statement made by the Minister on a matter SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA of policy, tt is well accepted by all that as a WASNIK(Buldana): Yesterday also, a ruling matter of convention in this House, we do not was given in the case of the Finance Minister ask for clarifications like what we do in the when it was said that this is for the first time other House, the Rajya Sabha. Under the ft is being allowed and itw iflnotbe repeated rules, the other statement is a statement again ...... (Interruption s)...... made under Direction 115, which deals with procedure for pointing out a mistake or inac­ AN HON. MEMBER: I am on a point of curacy ; and on that basis, a statement is order. made. This is also not a statement which comes under Direction 115, for the simple MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will hear reason that no notice has been given by a every one. Member to the Speaker, pointing out that this is a mistake or inaccuracy , on the basis .(Interruptions).. of which this is being done. This is really to be treated on par with the statement which is SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA WASNIK suo-m otu. (Interruptbns) There are : Sir, yesterday also you said the same thing only two types of statements posstole. when the Finance Minister had to make a (Interruptbns) ...... May I have my say? statement. That was not a suo-m otu state­ Would you allow me to say? ...... (interrup­ ment, but that was a statement which was tions) ...... directed by the Chair. At that time, it waft made dear that this should not be a prece­ MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Let us hear dent; this is a different situation altogether, the Minister fully. Why are you so much and this is for the first time where such a agitated? If you feel that the hon. Minister is discussion is being allowed. misleading this House, when you get the (Interruptions) .... .for the second day chance, you can rebut it and say that he is again, similar type of discussion is being misleading the House. . allowed ...... (Interruptbns) ...... (interruptbns) ...... SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum): Sir. you have just now observed that the state­ SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: I am on a ment was made on the basis of an answer to point of order. a supplementary question. SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN­ SOME HON.MEMBERS: No ...... (Inter­ GALAM: I have not yielded. There must be ruptions) ...... some understanding between all of us.

SHRI A. CHARLES: Let me complete. Sir, since it does not fall under the . 1913 (SAKA) ofRakway 470 em pbyees Direction 115, where it should be pointed out questbn. He referred to the statement made by a notice particularly, that this is a mistake by Mr. Janeshwar Mishra and db not say that has been made or.an inaccuracy in the anything regarding the statement made by statement which has to be amended, it Shri Mallikarjun. According to him the Na­ should not be allowed by that method. Here, tional Front Government decbed on 6.11.90 the Speaker, after speaking to all the leaders to rescind it he observed that — and after speaking to the hon. Minister felt that a statement would settle the matter. So, (English] . a Statement has been made. Under the existing rules, how would you treat this state­ "The then Prime Minister , Shri V.P. ment? The questbn is this: Are yqu going to Singh, has done this-not the Govern­ treat this as a statement under direction ment, not any other Government, in­ 115? Even if it is a statement under Directbn cluding Shri ’s Gov­ 115, the rules do not provide for clarifiaca- ernment. It was rescinded by the same tions. Let me make that dear. I am not saying Cabinet which had taken the dedsbn.” that you do not have the discretion. You may have any discretion. But even under 115 of [Translation] the directbns, the procedure for asking clari­ fications is not laid out, if I may clarify. My only submissbn is that he had stated that the decision in questbn was taken on With regard to suo motu statement or a 6th of November and the Government fell on statement made by the Minister on a policy, seventh November. Then the case was sent it does not necessarily have to be suo motu. to President’s Housefordebisbn. The Presi­ if a statement is made even on directbn or on dent observed that the particular decision request, it still amounts to be statement by was taken by the Government just before the Minister. The method of clarification does bowing out of the office. Government had no not exist. Still I do believe that the honour­ right to take a decision on this issue so he able Member wants to point out to what the rejected the case., Many cases have been Speaker’s direction was yesterday. And thata rejected in the same manner. These in­ I do not think is a clarificatbn. I do not think cluded SC/ST issue, minority Commissbn’s there is any bar for him to point out that. But issue and many other issues? If Mr.Chavan we shoub not have a discussbn on it. is appointed Prime Minister tomorrow or Narshima Rao Government goes in minority SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: I only want and President gives the same ruling that to draw you attention to Speaker’s ruling. Government took decisbn when it was about to exit, therefore, these dedsbns are not [Translation] acceptable then woub Shri Narashima Rao assert and say no he was a care taker Prime Mr. Deputy Speaker,Sir, you please see Minister and he took the decisbn in that ruling given by the Speaker yesterday. Mr. capacity? Would he issue orders against the Speaker observed yesterday .that whatever orders of President? has been sab against Shri V.P. Singh does not seem to be correct. He further sab that 17.39 hrs. the hon.Minister should make enquiry into it and then give statement as per the oontents (MR.SPEAKER In the Chair) of the file. This was Mr. Speaker's ruling. If he still wishes to state something in this regard (Interruptions) ...... he is welcome to do so. But he should not have a discussbn on it. Mr.Speaker, I was reading the ruling given by you. There is not wieight in his I referred to it beoause you are in the statement, he has read out the statement, chair at present and speaker's ruling is in you had told the chair yesterday as to when 471 StatL by Minister re. instatement employees [Sh. Ram Vilas Paswan] SHRI C.K.JAFFER SHARIEF: Sir, be­ fore you occupied the Chair; I had already the decision was sent to you by President's said that nothing is intentionafond it is not to Secretariat and when the order was issued hurt anybody's feeling and it is not disre­ by Shri V.P.Singh Government. Despite all specting Mr. V.P. Singh. Sir, this is unfor­ this if it comes from President, you cannot tune. Mr. Ram Vilas Paswan is a new found 1 implement it— * friend of Mr. Vishwanath whereas Vish- wanathji has been our old friend. . * [E nglish] «£• [Translatfonl How is Mr V.P.Singh responsible for that? You are not his only friend. We also respect him. Why are you so much worried? We should leave all these things as these [Translation] are not going to benefit anybody. We had not done anything of this sort, intentially and So the issue raised yesterday hurted against anybody and whatever has been our feelings. It hurted the feelings of Shri said was a constitutional propriety. What­ V.P. Singh. It was all done intentionally. ever he had done wo have brough to your knowledge what else we can say? MR.SPEAKER: We are all understand­ ing your point, so please be brief. [English]

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: I am only SHRI ANIL BASU: No, Sir (In te r­ referring to the fact that Shri Mallikarjun had ruptions) ...... stated again and again yesterday that Mr. V.P.Singh had not done it deliberately. MR.SPEAKER: Please sit down.

MR.SPEAKER: We have understood .(Interruptbns )...... your point, so you should finish it.

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Still he MR. SPEAKER: I have heard what you has not uttered anything. Shri Jaffer Sharif have said. I was hearing every word of has not said anything I would like to submit yours. But yesterday, when the statement that the hon.Minister should apologise for was made, it was not very clear and it was making allegations against us yesterday. He appearing that this had not happened and should express regrets for Mr. V.P. Singh was responsible. Are you not k (interruptions) ...... sorry for it?

MR.SPEAKER: When this discussion SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: We have was held yesterday it seemed that the repeatedly made it clear that we are not at all details of the incident had not been received. putting any blame on Mr. V.P. Singh.

It seemed that the former Prime Minis­ • MR. SPEAKER: But are you not sooty ter had done that special circumstances. for giving this kind of impression? Otherwise he could not do all this intention­ ally. When someone feels hurt, you also feel .(Interruptions hurt. SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: Sir, [E nglish] there is scope to correct the statement. He should utilise that scope (Interrup­ and you are sorry for it ...... (Interrup­ tions) ...... tions) ...... 473 StatL by Minister PHALGUNA 7,1913 (SAKA) of Railway 474 re. instatement employees MR. SPEAKER: If you swear the state- was a Confidence Motion on the 7th. In fact, merit made yesterday.. I am not supposed *o make any reference to • the President. (Interruptions )...... MR. SPEAKER: You can s p e * on SHRI C.K.JAFFER SHARIEF: I cannot constitutional provision. You are right in not dispute what is on record. Facts are facts. referring to him. .

MR. SPEAKER: Now , why don’t you SHRI MALLIKARJUN: When the explain it? Yesterday, you did not explain it. constitutbnal provisbn came into the pic­ ture, a communication came from the Rash- (Interruptbns )...... trapati Bhawan that such a decisbn should be rescinded. SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: He concealed the facts yesterday and had put MR. SPEAKER: I know it. You were the blame on Mr. V.P. Singh (Interrup­ very careful. tions) Mr. Speaker Sir, you made your observation yesterday. How can we justtake SHRI MALLIKARJUN: In that context, I it like that? (Interruptions) ...... had told that it was the Natbnal Front Gov­ ernment which was still functbning then MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Mallikarjun, you because the motion on vote of confidence hear me first. Then you can speak. Now, you came ep only on the 7th (Interrup­ had made a statement which is factually not tions) ...... incorrect. But then, if you had given some more information, a little more elaborately, Kindly bear with me. 7th was the vote of then probably, this kind of an impression confidence day. A Communbatbn came would not have been created. Nobody is from the Rashtrapati Bhavan and underthe blaming you. Constitution, the Natbnal Front Govern­ ment was still functbning. Till it was voted (Interruptions) ...... out, it was the Government. If in between this had happened, I had to inform the facts. That MR. SPEAKER: If the impression has is how I had given the reply, ft was not my gone that he and he alone is responsible, not intentbn to attribute any ulterior motive to because of the situation, then would you not anyone. That is why I have referred to no feel sorry for it? other Government, not even the Govem- ment headed by Shri Chandra Shekhar, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE whbh had rescinded the decision, because MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MAL­ as per the Constitutbnal obligation. It had to LIKARJUN): Kindly bear with me, Sir. There be done and it had been done. is plenty of time. *

I am answering to a question posed to MR. SPEAKER: You are right Suppos­ me. While answering to a question. Mem­ ing, you explained all these things yester­ bers expect to elicit information from me. So, day, this situatbn would not have arisen. I am replying to a question which was posed to me by an hon. Member as to which Gov­ SHRI MALLIKARJUN: How could I ernment had rescinded it. At that time, be­ explain Sir? Kindly tell me. How could ex­ cause of the surchargedsituatbn, I m ight not plain it yesterday, when they were all shout­ have expressed myself properly. What I had ing. Had they albwed me to speak, I would told was that on 6.11.90 there was a Cabinet have explained. I had to refer even to the decisbn taken and the Cabinet decision President. Why shoub I have to refer to the was taken to reinstate them. However, there President of our Republic? . MR. SPEAKER: You don’t have to! You not give me any warning. You may refer the have to refertothe Constitution. You have to matter to the Privileges Committee...... mention that it was done as per the (Interruptions) ...... Constitutional provision. MR. SPEAKER: I. am stilt giving an SHRI MALLIKARJUN: That is what I opportunity to the Railway Minister. had said. As explained by my senior col­ league, it was done as per the constitutional .(Interruptions ;).. propriety. But all that had happened on the 7th itself... SHRI MALIIKARJUN; Why should I appologpse when I have not committed any MR. SPEAKER: So what? Don't you mistake? I am a Member of this august feel that it is necessary for you to express House You may refer the matter to the regret? . Privileges Committee. MR. SPEAKER: I can decided the privileges matters in the House SHRI MALLIKARJUN: At least in this itself. You should know it. august House, I do not have to apologise and nor have I to feel sorry when I have (Interruptions) ...... placed facts of reality before the House. (Interruptions) ...... SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: Sir, a Minister cannot say this. The Speaker has 17.47 hrs. (At this stage Shri Antt Basu tried his best to find a solution. and some other Hon. Members came and stood on the floor near the Table.) MR. SPEAKER: well, gentlemen, we always care for each others feelings. MR. SPEAKER: Please go back to your .(Interruptions).,

.(Interruptions)*., MR. SPEAKER: Shri Jaffer Shaief is on his legs. I am not allowing others. - MR. SPEAKER: First you go back to your seats and taken speak. SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: I am extremely sorry. The problem is that a non­ (At this stage Shri Anil Basu and other issue has been made as an Hon. Members went back to their seats.) issue (interruptions) ......

*Not recorded. SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: Please bear wjth me. This is not the way. This is SHRI RAM KAPSE: I am on a point of unfair. They do not give others a chance to order. complete.

MR. SPEAKER: What is it? MR. SPEAKER: Let him complete.

(Interruptions) ...... (Interruptbns) ......

MR. SPEAKER: I am giving one more SHIR C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: Sir.you^ chance to the Railway Minister to make have sincerely felt that there is something amends. Otherwise, I am going to speak up. wrong. I have made it very dear that it is not intentional and not wilful. We have respect SHRI M. MALLIKARJUN: Sir, you need for Shri V.P.Singh. What he did was In

"Not recorder re. instatement • em pbyees accordance with the propriety of the Consti­ Kashmir is a symbol of our secularism, tution. There is no intention of attributing any because when partition took place, when motive to anyone. If it has*hurt any body, I power was handed over to , when must feel sorry about it. Pakistan attacked Kashmir-Kashmir was a State ruled by Raja Hari Singh and Indian MR. SPEAKER: Now, this should end army had no access to it, it is the people of the matter. There should be nothing more on* Kashmir who defended Kashmir against this. The debate should continue. Pakistan.

(interruptions )...... So, Sir, our friends on the other side should recollect that when the majority of the SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: people of Kashmir were fighting, the Praja Yesterday he said that the employees will Parishad the previous incarnation of Jan not be reinstated. On the basis of this deci­ Sangh, now it is B.J.P. was saying that sbn. Jammu will come to India, Ladakh will come r ■ to india but Kashmir will go to Pakistan. So, (Interruptions) ..... it is the people of Kashmir who had defended it. That is why, now, everybody agrees that MR. SPEAKER: I am not allowing you, the situation has become so bad that the this is not going on record. President's rule has been imposed and mili­ tancy is taking place. My point is, why such (Interruptions )*...... a state of affairs arose? Why were the people of Kashmir attacked earlier? Why the MR. SPEAKER: Yes, Shri Loknath youth of Kashmir who had earlierfought and Choudhary, . sought to remain in India were alienated?

(Interruptbns) ..... The time has come when every political party who are talking of integrity, unity of MR. SPEAKER: You must help me. India, and e/cfao/lndiashouldmakeasearch Every be v should not do like this. of their heart and say how they have contrib­ uted. Ttye alienation of Kashmir started with our Congress friends, in the manner in whbh they have behaved. The matter became still 17.54 hrs. worse when Shri Jagmohan became the Governor there. The same Shri Jagmohan, STATEMENT BY MINISTER who was the Governor of Kashmir; Who divided the Natbnal Conference, the only Statutory Resolution Re-.continuance of democratic organisation and the Congress Proclamation m Respect of Jammu and people were also party to it, became again Kashmir— C ontd. the Governor of Kashmir. Who were sup­ porting it? When the alienation was taking SI i RI LOKNATH CHOUDHRY place, we were fighting here in this House (KJagatsinghpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the hon. that Shri Jagmohan should be recalled. My Home Minister has moved a motion to ex­ friend Shri Charles, has forgotten this. tend the President’s Rule in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. Many Members who Then comes the questbn of Ekta Yatra. have spoken before me have said that Ka­ Today, the Home Minister has stated thatthe shmir is abeautif ul State; Kashmir is a Swarg militancy is going down. When something is and that Kashmir is a part of the India's developing in the right directbn, then, there heritage and culture. I would tike to say that can be Ekta Yatra. This was don for abrogat-

*Not recorded.