Volume V Monday No. 6 ! 12th August, 1963
PA R L I AMENTA RY D E B ATES
DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)
OFFICIAL REPORT
CONTENTS
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MR SPEAKER : Reply from His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong to Address of Thanks [Col. 6471 Message from the Senate [Col. 6481 Assent to Bills Passed [Col. 649] Message from Mr Speaker, House of Representatives , Common- wealth of Australia re World-wide Disarmament [Col. 649]
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 651]
BILLS PRESENTED [Col. 666]
MOTIONS-- Waktu Persidangan Meshuarat [Col. 669] Malaysia [Col. 669]
WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 735]
DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1963 FEDERATION OF MALAYA
DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)
Official Report
Fifth Session of the First Dewan Ra`ayat
Monday, 12th August, 1963
The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.
PRESENT : The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, P.M.N., S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. „ the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Information and Broadcasting, Y.T.M. TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah). „ the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). „ the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Johor Timor). „ the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SLEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah). „ the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungei Siput). „ the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Muar Selatan). „ the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). „ the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah). the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah). the Minister of Health , ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan). the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan). the Minister of Education, CAPT. HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang). the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE, (Bukit Bintang). ., the Assistant Minister of Labour and Social Welfare, ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P . J.K. (Kiang). the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN, (Kota Star Utara). 643 12 AUGUST 1963 644
The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting, ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUsoF (Jerai). „ ENCHE' ABDUL AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat). „ ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK , A.M.N. (Melaka Utara). „ ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P.J.K. (Krian Laut). ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis). „ ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungei Patani). „ TOH MUDA HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF (Kuala Kangsar). „ TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN MOHD. SALLEH , A.M.N., P.I.S. (Segamat Utara). „ TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir). „ ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). „ ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH , S.M.J. (Johor Bahru Barat). „ TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara). „ ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, P.J.K. (Krian Darat). „ TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat). „ ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam). „ DR BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD. NOOK (Besut). „ ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A. M.N. (Kluang Selatan). „ ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong). „ ENCHE' CHAN SWEE Ho (Ulu Kinta). „ ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar). „ ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor). ENCHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar). „ DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap). „ ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N. (Penang Utara). „ ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG , A.M.N. (Kapar). „ ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD . YUNUS, A.M.N. (Kulim Utara). „ ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH , A.M.N. (Baling). „ ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah). „ TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD (Kuala Trengganu Utara). „ TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat). „ ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Melaka Selatan). „ ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN (Raub). „ ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, A.M.N., P .J.K. (Pant). „ TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu). „ ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah). „ ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan). „ ENCHE ' ISMAIL BIN HAJI KASSIM (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). „ ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Batu Pahat). 645 12 AUGUST 1963 646
The Honourable ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH ( Damansara). „ CHE' KHADIJAH BINTI MOHD. SIDEK (Dungun). „ ENCHE' LEE SAN CROON, K.M.N. (Kluang Utara). „ ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanj ong Malim). „ ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N. (Sepang). „ ENCHE' LIM JOO KONG, J.P. (Alor Star). „ ENCHE' Liu YOONG PENG ( RaWang). ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).
„ ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu -Jempol). „ ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD ( Hilir Perak). „ ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh). „ ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MOHD. AL! (Kuala Selangor). „ ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD. DAHAN (Ulu Perak). „ DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K. (Pasir Mas Hulu). „ ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). „ TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan). „ ENCHE' NG ANN TECK ( Batu). „ TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah). „ ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara).. „ TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD. SAID, J.P. (Rembau-Tampin). ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai). „ ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh). „ TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S. (Batu Pahat Dalam). „ TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Sabak Bernam). „ ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara). „ ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan). „ ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka). „ ENCHE' TAN PHOCK KIN (Tanjong). „ ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru). „ TENGKU BESAR INDRA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHUM SULTAN IBRAHIM, D.K., P.M .N. (Ulu Kelantan). „ DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan). „ ENCHE' Too JOON HING (Teluk Anson). „ ENCHE' V. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan). „ WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI AL! (Kelantan Hilir). „ WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K. (Kota Star Selatan). „ WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED , K.M.N. (Kemaman). „ ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh). „ ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas). „ ENCHE' YONG WOO MING (Sitiawan). 647 12 AUGUST 1963 648
The Honourable PUAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S. (Pontian Selatan). Z'UAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI Mom. Tail (Langat) . ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).
ABSENT: The Honourable the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N. (Ulu Selangor). ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak). ENCHE' KHONG KOK YAT (Batu Gajah). ,, ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat). NIK MAN BIN NIK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir). ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat). ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu). TUAN SPED JA`AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N. (Johor Tenggara).
IN ATTENDANCE : The Honourablethe Minister without Portfolio , ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BoH, P.J.K.
PRAYERS 31 haribulan Mei, 1963, menyembah- kan uchapan terima kaseh Dewan (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Ra`ayat kapada Beta itu telah selamat- lah Beta terima dengan sukachita-nya. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY Beta menguchapkan terima kaseh ber- banyak2 kapada Dato' dan sakalian MR SPEAKER Ahli Dewan Ra`ayat atas ingatan mu- hibbah dan ikhlas yang telah di- REPLY FROM HIS MAJESTY THE sembahkan itu. YANG DI-PERTUAN AGONG TO ADDRESS Demikian-lah sahaja Beta ma`alum- OF THANKS kan di-sudahi dengan salam ta`azim Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, jua, ada-nya." saya telah menerima perutusan yang bertarikh 4 haribulan Jun, 1963, dari- MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE pada Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Mr Speaker Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan : Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, Agong, saya bachakan perutusan itu : saya hendak ma`alumkan lagi, saya telah menerima suatu perutusan yang "Warkatul-ikhlas walmuhibbah is-itu bertarikh 3 haribulan Jun, 1963, dari- daripada Beta Syed Putra ibni Al- pada Yang di-Pertua Dewan Negara marhum Syed Hassan Jamalullail, Yang berkenaan dengan perkara2 yang ter- di-Pertuan Agong, Persekutuan Tanah tentu telah di-hantar oleh Majlis ini Melayu. meminta di-persetujukan oleh Dewan Mudah-mudahan barang di-wasalkan Negara. Sekarang saya minta Setia oleh Rabbul `alamin ka-majlis Yang Usaha Majlis ini membacha perutusan Berhormat Dato' Haji Mohd. Noah bin itu kapada Majlis mi. Omar, Yang di-Pertua Dewan Ra`ayat, (The Clerk reads the message). Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, yang ada beristrihatulkhir pada masa ini di- "Mr Speaker, bandar Kuala Lumpur, dengan bebe- The Senate has agreed to the follow- rapa selamat dan kesejahteraan-nya. ing Bills, without amendments : Waba`adah, ehwal Beta ma`alumkan (1) to prevent the improper use of bahawa warkah Dato' yang bertarikh certain emblems and names for 649 12 AUGUST 1963 650 professional and commercial Yang Berhormat Tuan Speaker Par- purposes ; limen, Canberra, Australia, saya jemput (2) to apply sums out of the Con- Setia Usaha Majlis ini membachakan solidated Fund for additional surat itu. expenditure for the service of (The Clerk reads the message). the years 1962 and 1963 and to appropriate such sums for certain "Sir, purposes ; I have the honour to bring to the (3) to authorise the raising of loans attention of your Parliament a resolu- outside the Federation to pro- tion agreed to by the House of vide sums required for the Representatives of the Parliament of purposes of the Development the Commonwealth of Australia on Fund or for the repayment or 23rd May, 1963. The resolution is as authorisation of external loans, follows : and to make general provision That with respect to external loans ; (1) World-wide disarmament is now (4) to amend the Loan Guarantee a condition of survival for all Act. 1963; mankind ; (5) to provide for the establishment (2) Regional disarmament arrange- of port authorities, for the func- ments cannot give security while tions of such authorities and the danger of attack from other for matters connected therewith. regions continues to exist ; (3) No programme of disarmament (Sd) DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN can be effective without proper BIN MOHAMED YASIN, safeguards ; President" (4) Proper safeguards are impossi- ble without inspection and TO BILLS PASSED ASSENT verification on an international Mr Speaker: Honourable Members, I basis ; wish to inform the House that His (5) Therefore, agreements on the Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong measures for the inspection and has assented to the following Bills verification of the successive which were passed recently by both stages of general and complete Houses of Parliament : disarmament are a necessary (1) The Emblems and Names (Pre- first step towards this objective ; vention of Improper Use) Bill, (6) Such arrangements on inter- 1963. national inspection and verifica- tion would afford evidence of (2) The Supplementary Supply (1962 good faith and willingness to and 1963) (No. 2) Bill, 1963. implement positive measures for (3) The Port Authorities Bill, 1963. disarmament and would thus (4) The External Loans Bill, 1963. tend to reduce international ten- sions ; and (5) The Loan Guarantee (Amend- ment) Bill, 1963. (7) Believing in these principles, this House desires Mr Speaker to communicate this resolution to MESSAGE FROM MR SPEAKER, the Parliaments of all members HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, of the United Nations. COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRA- LIA RE WORLD-WIDE I have the honour to be, DISARMAMENT Sir, Your most obedient Servant, Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya telah menerima sa-puchok surat (Sd) J. MCLEAY, bertarikh 18hb Julai, 1963, daripada Speaker" 651 12 AUGUST 1963 652 ORAL ANSWERS TO Mr Speaker: I understood him to say QUESTIONS that the new General Hospital will be built, but that it is only the question GENERAL HOSPITAL, KUALA of date when to commence the building. LUMPUR Enche' V. Veerappen (Seberang Construction of New Hospital Selatan): Would the Minister say 1. Enche' Tan Phock Kin (Tanjong) whether the building of the new asks the Minister of Health to inform General Hospital, Kuala Lumpur, is in the House the date by which construc- any way connected with the building tion work will commence for the new of the Teaching Hospital for the General Hospital in Kuala Lumpur. University? The Minister of Health (Enche' Enche' Abdul Rahman: No. Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tarikh Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- bagi di-mulakan pembenaan Rumah sara): Sir, it is indeed surprising that Sakit Umum yang baharu bagi Kuala no Minister can tell this House Lumpur itu ada-lah bergantong kapada when...... siap-nya plan yang lengkap yang se- dang di-uruskan oleh Akitek Rumah Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe- Sakit itu. Oleh yang demikian tidak- rang Utara): Mr Speaker, Sir, on a lah dapat di-nyatakan dengan tepat-nya point of order -I would like to know bila-kah pekerjaan membena Rumah what question is the Honourable Mem- Sakit itu akan di-mulakan. ber asking. Is it a supplementary question? Enche' V. David (Bungsar): Will the Honourable Minister at least assure Mr Speaker: Yes, it is a supple- this House the approximate time work mentary question. will begin, if he is not definite. Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Speaker, Sir, it is indeed surprising that not a Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji single Member of the Cabinet can Talib: Approximately the work will enlighten this House as to when the begin as soon as the plans are ready. new General Hospital will commence Enche' V. David: I think the Minis- to be built. If the Cabinet cannot come ter is not aware that plans had been forward with this information, is this under preparation for the last so many House to presume that the Cabinet has years. I am afraid that next year when not got definite plans for the new he changes his Ministry, another Minis- General Hospital, Kuala Lumpur? ter will come forward with some other Enche plans and there will be no hospital ' V. David: Am I to assume at all in Kuala Lumpur. So, I want to that they are looking for an M.C.A. know whether the Government is going contractor to finalise the job? to construct the Kuala Lumpur General The Minister of Works, Posts and Hospital or not. If it is going to do so, Telecommunications (Dato' V. T. Sam- at least the approximate date should banthan): Mr Speaker, Sir, I think I be fixed. (.Silence) Sir, am I to assume can throw some light on this question. that there will be no hospital at least Honourable Members are quite aware for the next few years in Kuala that some time last year we undertook Lumpur? The present one is like a to throw the planning of the new cattle shed. General Hospital open to the whole Mr Speaker: He has already replied world, and we received a lot of plans to that. in connection with this competition. Later in the year we had a panel of Enche' V. David : He has not international experts to go through answered. He has evaded the question. these and they selected the plan of an Either he does not know, or he does architectural firm, and this was accepted not understand his job, or he is deli- by the Government. Latterly, that berately evading the question. firm has been drawing up plans for 653 12 AUGUST 1963 654 the building of this hospital. Therefore, memang ada dengan chukup-nya di- one thing is definite that plans are rumah2 sakit, klinik2 dan dispensari2 being drawn for the rebuilding of the (dispensary). new General Hospital. The question Sa-kali pun demikian harus ada we now come to is, how long will it be orange sakit yang tidak dapat di-beri, before the plans are ready. As the dengan serta-merta, ubat2 jenis yang Minister of Health is himself not sure tertentu atau "specific patent drugs". how long these will be ready, because Perkara ini memang-lah tidak meng- in planning a hospital it is left to the hairankan oleh kerana tentu sa-kali architect to finish it as soon as he can, Keraj aan tidak dapat menyimpan, pada obviously we are not in a position to sa-tiap masa, semua ubat2 daripada state to a nicety how soon the architect jenis yang tertentu yang mempunyai will be able to have his plans ready. nama atau chap yang bermacham2, But it should be a fair estimate to say oleh kerana ada kala-nya di-dapati that construction work on the General satu2 j enis ubat itu mempunyai sa- Hospital will commence next year. hingga 50 nama atau chap yang ber- Enche' V. David: Sir, at least can I lain2nan. Daripada segi ekonomi pula now be definite that construction work maka telah menjadi dasar Kementerian will begin in the early part of next Kesihatan, sa-berapa boleh, mengguna- year? kan ubat yang murah harga-nya tetapi muj arab dan bermutu tinggi. Dato' V. T. Sambanthan : I am sure my Honourable friend will understand Bahagian yang kedua daripada soalan that it is not within my hands or the yang di-kemukakan itu tidak-lah ber- hands of the Minister of Health. The bangkit. Sa-kali pun demikian, untok plan for a hospital entails a lot of ma`aluman Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, detailed work, and this particular plan suka saya menyatakan bahawa di- envisages not only the construction of dalam Anggaran Perbelanjaan Tahunan the present hospital but also its im- Kementerian Kesihatan peruntokan provement as the years go by. Sir, this wang bagi membeli ubat2 atau pun is rather a difficult and complex drugs telah sentiasa di-tambah, dari' structure. So, I cannot say that the work pada sa-tahun ka-satahun, supaya will start in January or February next seimbang dengan perkembangan per- year. All I can say is that we will khidmatan perubatan dan kesihatan, certainly start work in 1964. dan juga dengan bertambah-nya rawatan2 mustahak di-beri di-rumah2 Enche' V. David: Just before the sakit Kerajaan, dispensari2, kelinik2 elections. dan perkhidmatan2 lain. Dalam tahun 1958 peruntokan yang di-sediakan SHORTAGE OF DRUGS IN bagi-nya chuma berjumlah $3,256,850 HOSPITALS, ETC. tetapi angka ini telah meningkat ka- 2. Enche' V. Veerappen minta kapada pada $5,220,000 dalam tahun 1963, Menteri Kesihatan menerangkan ada- is-itu hampir2 $2 juta lebeh daripada kah beliau sedar akan kekurangan yang telah di-sediakan dalam tahun benar ubat2, khas-nya ubat2 moden, 1958 itu. terutama sa-kali dalam rumah2 sakit luar bandar, dan apa langkah yang Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, beliau berchadang hendak ambil dalam at least will the Honourable Minister perkara mi. confirm that there is an acute shortage of drugs in the Malacca Hospital and Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji that patients are given plain water as Talib: Dato' Yang di-Pertua, tidak. a pretext of giving mixtures? Further, Saya tidak tahu tentang ada-nya ke- by his statement the Minister has con- kurangan ubat2 atau drugs, yang amat firmed that his Ministry is experi- sangat, saperti di-katakan oleh Ahli menting on human lives with cheap Yang Berhormat itu. Saya boleh mem- drugs. Sir, I want a reply whether he ber akuan bahawa ubat2 atau drugs is aware of the situation at least in yang mustahak dan lazim di-gunakan the Malacca Hospital. 655 12 AUGUST 1963 656
Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Mr Speaker: (To Enche' D. R. Seeni- Talib : I am not aware of that, Sir, and vasagam) Your question should have I don't think any of our Malayan been directed to the Minister ! doctors have ever prescribed water as a mixture ! (Laughter). Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam : For the information and supplementary ques- Enche' V. David: At least will the tion, Sir. The P.P.P. is not stupid to sit Minister take the trouble to investi- silently when stupid things are said ! gate? If he has no time, or if he is so busy, he can at least send his Enche' V. David: At least for the Permanent Secretary. first time we have heard that the P.P.P. has become the champion of the Enche' V. Veerappen: Mr Speaker, Alliance. Sir, would the Minister say whether it is true or not that even in the Mr Speaker: Order! Order! General Hospital, Kuala Lumpur, there have been many occasions where PROGRESS REPORT BY COM- such simple drugs and very important MITTEE ON SOCIAL SECURITY drugs as adrenaline, insulin and even sulphurite are not available? 3. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji to state the progress made by the Talib: I am not aware of that. Committee set up to consider the ques- Enche' V. David: At least will the tion of Social Security. Minister take the trouble to investi- The Minister of Labour and Social gate? (Pause) I want an assurance, Sir. Welfare (Enche' Bahaman bin Sam- Mr Speaker: The Minister will not sudin): Mr Speaker, Sir, the Committee reply until you sit down (Laughter). which is studying the possibility of introducing a comprehensive social Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji security scheme, has met six times. The Talib: I will look into the matter, Sir. Committee is making progress, and it Enche' V. David: Sir, my question is now in the process of going through is : will he investigate and not just in detail each of the contingencies look into the matter? facing workers such as maternity, employment injury, old age, sickness Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh): and unemployment. The Honourable Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not know Member will be aware that the task of whether I am in order to pose a this Committee is immense and the supplementary question on the question financial implications of this scheme raised by the Honourable Member for tremendous. It would, therefore, take Bungsar. If the Honourable Member some time before its work can be was aware that water was being given completed. However, the Committee by the Malayan doctors and I think will be urged to complete its work as it was clear he said so did he take soon as possible. any steps to report it or to bring it to the notice of the Ministry of Health Enche' V. David: Has the Govern- concerned? (Laughter). ment accepted in full the recommenda- Enche' V. David : For the informa- tions made by the I.L.O. experts? tion of the champion of the Alliance Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: The (Laughter) I can safely say, Sir, that Committee is going through the Report the matter has been reported . . of the I.L.O. Mr Speaker: I think that question is Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, irrelevant ! Sir, according to the reply by the Enche' V. David: It is only shocking, Minister, we are informed that the Sir, that I do not know when the Committee is now going through the P.P.P. Member became an Alliance details. Once you go through the Member ! details, it means that you have agreed 657 12 AUGUST 1963 658 on certain general principles or re- to-date and how many more are being commendations. Since those are already recruited and the ranks they will hold. agreed to, according to the Minister, is he prepared to inform this House as The Minister of Defence (Tun Haji to what are those general principles Abdul Razak): Mr Speaker, Sir, the which have been agreed to by the number of expatriate officers, by rank, Committee? in the Armed Forces in August, 1957, was as follows : Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin:The Major-General ... 1 Report of the Committee will have to Brigadier ...... 2 be submitted to the Government, and I cannot tell you now the outline of Colonel ...... 1 the general principles agreed upon. Lieutenant-Colonel ...... 16 Major...... 74 Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Speaker, Sir, could the Minister at least inform Captain ...... 96 us the general principles which have Lieutenant and 2nd been agreed to, because the general Lieutenant ...... 48 principles are the most important ones? The detailed principles can be Total 238 worked out later. Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Not The above figures do not include the at this stage ! Navy and Air Force because they were not in being at that time. SUB-DIVISION OF ESTATE The number of contract officers to COMMITTEE--REPORT date is as follows by rank : Army 4. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the Deputy Prime Minister to state the General ...... 1 conclusions arrived at by the Com- Colonel ...... 2 mittee set up to consider the sub- Lieutenant-Colonel ... 15 division of estates. Mayor ...... 44 The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Captain ...... 35 Haji Abdul Razak): The Report of the sub-division of Estates Committee is Total ... 97 being tabled as an annexure to Com- mand Paper No. 29 of 1963. Navy Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, Captain ...... 2 is it correct -I am subject to correc- Commander ...... 4 tion-that certain members of this Lieutenant-Commander... 13 Board have submitted a minority Lieutenant ...... 15 report? Sub-Lieutenant ... 4 Tun Haji Abdul Razak: I have said that the whole Report has been tabled Total ... 38 and I think the Honourable Member will have every opportunity to go Air Farce through the Report, both the minority Group Captain ...... 1 and the majority. Wing Commander ... 5 ARMED FORCES NUMBER OF Squadron Leader ... 12 EXPATRIATE OFFICERS ON Flight Lieutenant AUGUST, 1957 Flying Officer ... 34 5. Enche' K. Karam Singh asks the Pilot Officer J Minister of Defence to state the num- ber of expatriate officers, by rank, in Total ... 52 the Armed Forces in August, 1957 and 659 12 AUGUST 1963 660
Sir, because of the expansion of the Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak (Kuala Armed Forces additional seconded Langat): Has the Minister a target officers of various ranks from the date for the complete Malayanisation various Commonwealth countries are of the Army and the other forces? being recruited and the total is Army ...... 34 Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr Speaker, Sir, being an ex-member of the Cabinet, Navy ...... 19 the Honourable Member should have Air Force ...... 15 known that we have had a target date Enche' K. Karam Singh : Could this for Malayanisation, but because of the House be informed when the Defence recent expansion of the Armed Forces Minister will start to end this British it is necessary to recruit seconded and Australian infiltration of our officers from various countries to help defence forces? When will he start the expansion of our Armed Forces. to end this infiltration of our defence Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: Sir, forces? I happen to know, and that is why I Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Sir, there is am on this side of the House. no infiltration. Enche' K. Karam Singh: Will the Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Speaker, Defence Minister agree that our Armed Sir, when you get these officers into Forces are completely dominated and our Armed Forces, it is nothing but controlled by the British War Office? infiltration and subversion. Tun Haji Abdul Razak: We on this Mr Speaker: What is your question. side of the House never agree with You are making a statement. I do not such distortions on any matter. like you to make a statement now; what is your question? Enche' K. Karam Singh: Is the Defence Minister aware that the Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Speaker, control of the British is so absolute Sir, the Defence Minister said it is not over our Armed Forces that our infiltration. Armed Forces do not have even one Mr Speaker: Well, what is your day's supply of bullets in case a question after that? conflict breaks out and we would have to depend on the British for bullets? Enche' K. Karam Singh: I am pointing out that that is not correct, Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Sir, that is Sir. Another supplementary question : completely untrue. is the Defence Minister aware that the presence of such a preponderant num- ROYAL MALAYAN AIR FORCE-- ber of foreign officers in our Army NUMBER OF PILOTS raises a doubt in the minds of the 6. Enche' K. Karam Singh asks the country and of the world whether the Minister of Defence to state the total Defence Minister is a Malayan Defence number of pilots in the R.M.A.F. and Minister or a British-adopted Defence the number of local officers who are Minister. Is he aware of that grave qualified pilots. suspicion? Tun Haji Abdul Razak : There are Tun Haji Abdul Razak : Sir, the 63 pilots in the Royal Malayan Air number of seconded officers is not so Forces : of these, 39 are Malayan preponderant, and these officers are officers. being recruited to help us in the techni- cal and training posts in the Armed Enche' K. Karam Singh: Could the Forces and as soon as our officers Defence Minister enlighten the House are available the seconded officers will as to what type of planes these pilots be replaced by our officers. The training have qualified to pilot whether they for our officers is being carried out as are mosquito planes or jet planes, or rapidly as possible. what sort of planes because it is no 661 12 AUGUST 1963 662
use having pilots of Mosquito or mainly filling technical posts in the Dakota planes alone. Could he clarify? Federation Signals, the Federation Engineers, the Federation Artillery, Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Sir, we have the Federation Ordnance Service and no Mosquito or Dakota planes in our the Federation Electrical and Mechani- Air Force (Laughter). We have planes cal Engineers and in the Ministry of such as Doves, Cessnas, Twin Pioneers Defence. and single-engine Pioneers. These are all the planes w^ have and these pilots The Malayanisation of posts filled have been trained to fly all these by expatriate officers is being carried planes. out as quickly as possible and as and when Malayan officers are available Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah they are being made to fill all these (Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Yang di- posts. Pertua, boleh-kah saya mendapat keterangan daripada Menteri yang Enche' K. Karam Singh: It is no bersangkutan is-itu berapa orang-kah use for the Government to deliberately pilot2 ini terdiri daripada orange Me- keep our forces under British domi- layu? nation on the pretext of technical posts. What this House wants to know is, Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang when will the Government train enough di-Pertua, Keraj aan tidak membedza2- Malayans to be fit to take up these kan bangsa daripada anak negeri ini, technical posts? tetapi hanya-lah di-tumpukan kapada warga negara Persekutuan sahaja is-itu Tun Haji Abdul Razak: I have bagi semua pehak ra`ayat dalam negeri explained, Sir, that they are being trained as fast as we can. ini. Enche' K. Karam Singh: Could we Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, boleh-kah saya know what scheme there is to show mendapat fahaman daripada jawapan that these people are being trained, Menteri yang bersangkutan bahawa sa- or is the Government just keeping this issue so cloudy that they can carry nya hak orange Melayu, atau kedu- on keeping these British officers under dokan orange Melayu itu di-jaga? the pretext of technical posts? Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang Tun Haji Abdul Razak : Sir, we have di-Pertua, bahagian hak orange Melayu trained them all the time, but, as I dalam tentera is-itu dalam semua baha- have said, our forces are being gian ada-lah di-pelihara dengan sem- expanded from time to time and we purna-nya. need more and more technical officers. Those we have trained are being NUMBER OF BRITISH OFFICERS employedl now, but we need more and IN FEDERATION ARMY AND more and we are training more and MALAYANISATION more. 7. Enche' K. Karam Singh asks the Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: Is the Minister of Defence to state the number Minister satisfied at the speed of the of British Officers in the Federation training undertaken? Army, viz, the Reconnaissance Corps and the Malay Regiment, and when it Tun Haji Abdul Razak: I am satis- is intended to Malayanise these posts. fied, Sir, but the matter is being reviewed from time to time. Tun Haji Abdul Razak : Sir, there are at present a total of 97 seconded Enche' K. Karam Singh : The Defence officers in all the units comprising to Minister has informed the House that Federation Army. The Honourable some of these technical posts were Member may be interested to know created because of Army expansion. that in the Malay Regiment at present I want the Defence Minister to inform there is only one seconded officer while this House whether he does any plann- in the Reconnaissance Corps there is ing at all and that people are trained none at all. The seconded officers are with a view to Army expansion. Does 663 12 AUGUST 1963 664
he have any planning at all, or does Member had taken the trouble to read, he not have? he would have known all about it. Tun Haji Abdul Razak: I have all Enche' V. David: on this particular the plans required. point, Sir, I want to know what interests any particular interests? Enche' K. Karam Singh: What hap- pens to those plans when an expansion The Prime Minister: It is not possible takes place? You just bring in people for me to go through the whole of the from outside? Is that how you plan? White Paper which has been presented to the House; so, I ask the Honourable Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: It is Member to read it. If he is not satisfied, only poor planning. after having read it, I will be very happy to answer any question at the MALAYSIAN PARLIAMENT - next sitting of this Parliament. DISTRIBUTION OF SEATS Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Speaker, 8. Enche' V. David asks the Prime Sir, is the Prime Minister aware that Minister on what basis the distribution this formula of balance of interests is of seats in the new proposed Malaysian a well-used formula of the British Parliament is made. imperialists to cancel out whatever they The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, have given us by this so-called formula Sir, allocation of seats in the Malaysian of balance of interests? Parliament took into account the prin- The Prime Minister: Well, one thing ciples set out in the Thirteenth Schedule I am aware is that we are not influenced 2 (c) to the Constitution of the Federa- by the British imperialists as said by tion of Malaya. Regard has to be paid the Honourable Member. If I am not to the administrative facilities available aware of any implications in the White in the areas concerned for establishing Paper, I would not be the Prime registration and polling machinery and Minister today. measure of weightage for the rural population. Enche' K. Karam Singh : Is the Prime Minister aware that this formula of As regards Singapore, the number of balance of interests which he has men- seats had been determined on a fair tioned to this House in effect reduces balance of interests, taking into account the democratic rights of the people of the following considerations : Singapore on the basis of people? In (a) that the Singapore citizens a democracy the people matter more should not lose the citizenship than anything else. rights they now enjoy ; The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, (b) that Singapore has been given the Singapore people are well in a local autonomy in education position to judge for themselves. If they and labour ; and feel, as the Honourable Member had (c) that Singapore has been given a put it, that all this had been the work substantially larger measure of of British imperialism, then they would financial autonomy as compared never have agreed to join Malaysia with the other States of Malaysia when the referendum was carried out in view of its wider responsibili- in Singapore. ties. Enche' K. Karam Singh: Would this Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, House be right in presuming that this I think in his statement the Prime formula of balance of interests used Minister said that the Singapore seats by the Prime Minister is a cloak to had been allocated on a balance of suppress the fundamental question of interests. May I know what interests? the representation of a people according to their number? The Prime Minister: All these have been mentioned in the little White The Prime Minister : Mr Speaker, Sir, Paper which, if the Honourable I am not aware of that. 665 12 AUGUST 1963 666
DATO' ONG YOKE LIN IN MALA- Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, YAN DELEGATION TO LONDON may I know from what date it is sup- TALKS posed to be implemented?
9. Enche' V. David asks the Prime Dato' Di Ismail : Sir, I said just now Minister why did Data' Ong Yoke Lin that these revised rates have been accompany him to London recently and offered to the Staff Side. This is in whether it was at the expense of the answer to the claim submitted by the Government. Junior Police Officers' Association. As a trade unionist, I am sure the Honour- The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, able Member knows that it will be Dato' Ong Yoke Lin is our Permanent negotiated by both parties. Representative at the United Nations Enche' V. David: Sir, unfortunately and he has returned home for consulta- the Police do not have a trade union. tion with this Government for which the passage to and fro has been paid BILLS PRESENTED by the United Nations. His presence in London for the Talks is absolutely THE CONSTITUTION necessary so as to put him in the (AMENDMENT) BILL picture on the whole issue of Malaysia, Bill to amend the Constitution of the so that when this question is raised Federation and, in connection there- or at any time in the United Nations with, the Interpretation and General he would be well able to answer them. Clauses Ordinance, 1948; presented by Therefore, his presence as a member the Deputy Prime Minister; read the of the Malayan Delegation in London first time; to be read a second time was absolutely necessary and it served at a subsequent sitting of this House. a very useful purpose. THE MALAYSIA BILL Enche' V. David: Mr Speaker, Sir, Bill for Malaysia; presented by the except for the importance of his pre- Deputy Prime Minister; read the first sence in London did he contribute time; to be read a second time at a anything on his part towards this subsequent sitting of this House. country? THE IMMIGRATION BILL The Prime Minister: Well, Mr Bill to extend and adapt the Immigra- Speaker, Sir, as I said, his presence in tion Ordinance, 1959, for Malaysia, London had been very, very useful to and to make additional provision with his own Government as he is our respect to entry into the States of Sabah representative in the United Nations. and Sarawak; presented by the Deputy Prime Minister; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent WAGE RATES OF POLICE sitting of this House. CONSTABLES REVISION THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY 10. Enche' V. David asks the Minister ) (No. 3) BILL of Internal Security whether the (1962 AND 1963 Government has decided to revise the Bill to apply sums out of the Consoli- wage rates of the Police Constables. dated Fund for additional expenditure for the service of the years 1962 and The Minister of Internal Security 1963 and to appropriate such sums for (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Data' Haji Abdul certain purposes; presented by the Rahman): Sir, the answer is "Yes". Minister of Finance; read the first The Government has considered the time; to be read a second time at a claim submitted by the Junior Police subsequent sitting of this House. Officers' Association and has decided on a revised salary scale for members THE REMUNERATION OF of the rank and file of the Police Force. JUDGES BILL These revised rates have been offered Bill to provide for the remuneration of to the Staff Side. the judges of the Federal Court and of 667 12 AUGUST 1963 668
the High Courts in Malaya, in Borneo 1959, and the Loan (Local) Act, 1961; and in Singapore; presented by the presented by the Minister of Finance ; Deputy Prime Minister; read the first read the first time; to be read a second time; to be read a second time at time at a subsequent sitting of this a subsequent sitting of this House. House.
THE CONSOLIDATED FUND THE CENTRAL BANK OF (EXPENDITURE ON ACCOUNT) MALAYA (AMENDMENT) BILL BILL Bill to amend the Central Bank of Bill to provide a sum out of the Con- Malaya Ordinance, 1958; presented by solidated Fund to the service of the the Minister of Finance; read the first year ending on the thirty-first day of time; to be read a second time at a December, 1964; presented by the subsequent sitting of this House. Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent THE SERVICE LANDS BILL sitting of this House. Bill to make provision for the ejectment of persons unlawfully occupying any THE CUSTOMS (AMENDMENT) land used or to be used for the purposes BILL of any Federation forces and to incor- Bill to amend the Customs Ordinance, porate the United Kingdom Services' 1952; presented by the Minister of Lands Board; presented by the Minister Finance; read the first time; to be read of Defence; read the first time; to be a second time at a subsequent meeting read a second time at a subsequent of this House. sitting of this House.
THE VICTORY SAVINGS CERTI- THE ROYAL MALAYSIA FICATES FUND (WINDING-UP) POLICE BILL BILL Bill to establish a police force for 'Bill to wind up the Victory Savings Malaysia, and make other provision in Certificates Fund and to provide for relation thereto; presented by the the disposal of monies remaining in the Minister of Internal Security; read the Fund ; presented by the Minister of first time; to be read a second time at a Finance; read the first time ; to be read subsequent sitting of this House. a second time at a subsequent meeting of this House. THE EDUCATION (AMENDMENT) BILL THE TARIFF ADVISORY BOARD BILL Bill to amend the Education Act, 1961, as regards the cost of religious instruc- Bill to establish a Tariff Advisory tion in assisted schools and as regards Board for the purpose of giving the local contributions towards the cost of Federal Government advice in connec- providing education, and to make tion with the creation of a common further provision for financial assistance market in Malaysia and the imposition to Muslim institutions providing educa- and alteration of protective and other tion; presented by the Minister of customs duties; presented by the Education; read the first time; to be Minister of Finance; read the first read a second time at a subsequent time; to be read a second time at a sitting of this House. subsequent sitting of this House. THE MERCHANT SHIPPING THE LOAN (ADVANCE (AMENDMENT) BILL DEPOSITS) BILL Bill to amend the Merchant Shipping Bill to authorise persons conferred with Ordinance, 1952; presented by the power to invest to make advance Minister of Transport; read the first deposits in accordance with the pro- time; to be read a second time at a visions of the Loan (Local) Ordinance, subsequent sitting of this House. 669 12 AUGUST 1963 670
MOTIONS the representatives of Governments who were and are fully agreed that the WAKTU PERSIDANGAN establishment of Malaysia would be in MESHUARAT the best interests of the peoples in the Tun Haji Abdul Razak bin Dato' State which will become component Hussain: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya parts of this new nation. The tendency menchadangkan menurut sharat2 pe- in the world today is for the smaller renggan (1) dalam Peratoran Meshuarat States with the same identity of interests 12, Majlis ini memerentahkan is-itu and sharing the same ambitions and dalam meshuarat sekarang ini sharat2: hopes for the future to combine and (a) perenggan kechil (a) dalam pe- pool their resources for their common renggan (1) hendak-lah di-f aham- good. The establishment of Malaysia kan sa-olah2 kalimah "atau hari is in trend in this direction because we Khamis" itu di-gantikan dengan believe that only by doing so will our kalimah "hari Khamis atau hari country and our people be able to Sabtu" ; survive the stresses and strains facing (b) perenggan (3) hendak-lah di- any new emerging nation in the 20th fahamkan sa-olah2 kalimah "hari century, and to chart our destiny for Juma`at" itu di-gantikan dengan the future, ensuring to the country kalimah "hari Sabtu". peace and stability and to the people harmony and prosperity, with each man Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahawa pada and woman enjoying at least the basic meshuarat Dewan ini ada-lah banyak needs of modern society. Malaysia has perkara2 penting yang hendak di-bin- no expansionist connotation as it is changkan maka mustahak-lah di-beri not our purpose nor is it our desire to dengan chukup masa bagi membahath- venture into the realm of colonialism kan perkara2 itu. Oleh sebab itu saya or neo-colonialism. These are concepts menchadangkan supaya Dewan ini ber- which are totally alien to our way of meshuarat juga pada hari Sabtu. Ini- thinking and as far as we are concerned lah tujuan usul di-hadapan Dewan mi. have already been irrevocably buried Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji in the limbo of the past. Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menyokong. In the process of bringing Malaysia into being, we have always adhered to Question put, and agreed to. the principle of self-determination for Resolved, the peoples of non-self-governing terri- The pursuant to the provisions of para- tories. From the time when Malaysia graph (1) of Standing Order 12, this House hereby orders that during the present meeting was first thought of, there had been the provisions of : close and constant consultation between (a) sub-paragraph (a) of paragraph (1) the representatives of the peoples and shall be construed as if for the words of the Governments of the States con- "or Thursday" there were substituted cerned. the words "Thursday or Saturday"; (b) paragraph (3) shall be construed as if All these I have told Honourable for the word "Fridays" there were substituted the word "Saturdays". Members before, and there is no need for me to repeat here, as you are aware MALAYSIA that we have had meetings of the Con- sultative Committee which was set up The Prime Minister: Mr Speaker, Sir, at the instance of the members of the I beg to move, Borneo Legislature. After that we had That this House, noting the desire of the the Cobbold Commission which com- people of North Borneo, Sarawak and prised members from the United Singapore to be federated in Malaysia with the existing States of the Federation in Kingdom Government and ourselves accordance with the agreement signed in and the report of that Commission was London on 9th July, 1963, hereby endorses thoroughly discussed by the people of that agreement. Sarawak and North Borneo at all levels Sir, the agreement signed in London of their representative bodies. The was the culmination of a long process consultations among the peoples of of negotiation and discussion between Borneo and Sarawak in respect of 671 12 AUGUST 1963 672
Malaysia culminated in the recent ascertaining the views of those peoples elections which had Malaysia as its in the territories, as requested by the main issue. The results are already three countries at the recent Summit known to Honourable Members. There- Meeting in Manila. In addition a re- fore, as far as we are concerned, we ferendum had been held in Singapore, have not the slightest doubt as to the the result of which generally indicated wishes of the people of North Borneo that a great majority of people in and Sarawak and that Malaysia had the Singapore are in favour of Malaysia. support of a vast majority of these A referendum was not held in the people. At the same time we had invited Borneo territories because it was community leaders, village elders and thought that the people in these terri- councillors, and other people of a re- tories would not yet know the meaning presentative character to visit Malaya of a referendum and, if held, would and to see for themselves how Malaya agree unreservedly with the views held is being run, so that when they by the Government of the day, or with returned home they would be able to the views held by the few who would discuss the prospects of Malaysia more in any case vote against Malaysia. All intelligently with their own people, the States have now agreed to join having known what it would be like to except Brunei. As I have said earlier join up with the Federation of Malaya. no State will be forced against its wish The concept of Malaysia developed to join Malaysia, and the Brunei and grew, and we have always been exclusion is a proof of that. They are satisfied that it has the complete and not forced to join the new State. unwavering support of the majority of the peoples in the various territories In effect, Malaysia has been generally which will become parts of Malaysia. accepted as a logical evolution in the Every possible step had been taken to political and economic progress of our ascertain the views of the peoples of States and the new States which will North Borneo and Sarawak. Of course, now join us. When Singapore, Sabah in a democracy like ours, we also believe and Sarawak through the wish of the in the fundamental freedoms, and hence majority of the peoples of those States opposition political parties had been throw in their lot with us, we must freely expressing their views on this surely welcome them with open arms. subject and we welcome them. They The only reason for any delay is not had been saying that they agreed in so much to pander to the tantrums and principle with the concept of Malaysia, wiles of others, who under the guise of but were opposed to the manner in champions of democracy are bent on which Malaysia was being brought hindering and embarrassing the smooth about, or was being hurried, and they coining into being of Malaysia, but considered that Malaysia, as at present rather from a desire to work sincerely proposed, would not be complete. for peace. These people in Borneo are our brothers who have common However, in the debate in this House historical and cultural ties with us and on the 18th of October, 1961, the House have gone through the same experience resolved. of administration as practised by the "That this House agreeing in principle Colonial Government. They an their with the concept of Malaysia comprising the eleven States of the Federation, the own would never for a long time hope States of Singapore and Brunei, the terri- to achieve independence and enjoy the tories of North Borneo and Sarawak, en- right of living on terms of equality with dorses the Government's initiative in taking the free peoples of the world. Their action for its realisation, the progress of which will be reported to the House by the continuance as subject peoples of the Honourable the Prime Minister from time colonial rule will expose them as targets to time." to communist designs, and they would Now the concept has become a not share with us the joy and hap- reality and Malaysia will come into piness, the pride and privilege of being being on the date scheduled, or soon one with us who are free and indepen- after as recommended by the Secretary- dent. Malaysia would be the bulwark General, who has accepted the task of against any communist efforts at 673 12 AUGUST 1963 674 capturing these territories and would the opportunity to explain to President ensure the security of the area, and, Soekarno and President Macapagal above all, Malaysia would bring about that Malaysia was something which the the demise of colonialism in this area. people themselves wanted. It was not The only people I can understand who the outcome of any imperialist design have valid reasons to oppose Malaysia for the purpose of perpetuating impe- are the communists, who certainly are rialist interests in our part of the against national independence and world. The paramount consideration personal freedom. Malaysia would has always been the interests of our certainly frustrate their plans to colonise people and our country and those of this area and to spread their own form. the new States joining us. We have of imperialism over these defenceless never been , and will never be, a party and harmless peoples . The communist to anything which we sincerely feel will imperialism, as I have said before--I not be for the good of the 10 million repeat it here is more diabolical, more or so people who will now become destructive and more sinister than any members of the new nation. The hopes imperialism which the world has ever and destinies of these people are sacred known or experienced before. Com- matters and we will not sacrifice them munism is not simply a political creed on the altar of personal glory or with the communists, but it is an all- political expediency. They have over- embracing ideological concept which whelmingly come out in support of is a religion in itself, except that it is a Malaysia and, come what may, it is man-made religion for the purpose of our task and our duty to see that we do destroying the religion that is given by not fail them. God to men. As I have said just now, On the other hand, we also value the communists are the only people the goodwill of our neighbours. The who have valid reasons to oppose peoples in Indonesia and the Philip- Malaysia . Of course, in a democratic pines are bound together with our country like ours we have every right peoples by close historical ties and to express our ideas , and certainly no culture going back for several cen- one would object to anyone making turies. At the same time, we share with his feelings known regarding his them and other countries in this region attitude towards Malaysia, but in the responsibility for maintaining peace opposing Malaysia let us not fall prey and stability, particularly in our part to the wiles of the communists who of the world. These considerations alone would benefit from any failure were a dominant feature at the Manila to implement the Malaysia Plan. When Talks and as a result we were able to I look at the opposition against Malay- reach complete accord and understand- sia by those non-communist elements, ing. Jointly, we have reaffirmed our I could not help but think that this is faith in the democratic principles in the first time in the whole history of guiding the affairs and shaping the the world that democratic people are destinies of our people and our aim to opposed to giving independence to work together for our common good. subject peoples. The right thinking people of Malaya cannot help but feel In view of this , we have agreed in that Malaysia is the logical evolution Manila to invite the United Nations in the political and economic progress Secretary-General or his representatives of these newly emerging States. I to ascertain, by a fresh approach prior would emphasise once again that peace to the establishment of Malaysia, the and security of our area could only be wishes of the peoples in Sabah and guaranteed by the eradication of Sarawak. On our part, we are already colonialism through constitutional pro- satisfied that the preponderant number cess and providing for these terri- of people in the Borneo territories want tories a new deal which would make Malaysia. So do many of our friends them equal partners in the free nation. throughout the world who have come out openly in support of it. But As you are aware, I have just come Indonesia and the Philippines are our back from Manila. There I had taken close neighbours , and it is essential 675 12 AUGUST 1963 676
that we should take into consideration in the Borneo territories . All parties their reaction to it, to ensure that they have already understood it that these will also be able to join in welcoming observers will in no way interfere with the birth of the new nation. That is the work of the Secretary-General or the spirit and term of the Manila his team. We have received assurances agreement. from the Secretary-General that he will We feel confident that the United carry out his task with the utmost Nations Secretary -General will give despatch and with the least possible delay. His working teams are expected every priority and co-operation in this matter. He has been kept fully in- to arrive in the Borneo territories any formed through his representative in moment now. The latest information Manila and we have further cabled him, I have received is that the advance party is arriving in Singapore today. inviting him and his representatives to come immediately to the Borneo States We have already received the con- currence of the British Government and for this purpose. We are satisfied that the Governments of the Borneo tern- provided they start immediately, the tories who also have undertaken to give task of ascertainment can be completed their fullest co-operation in facilitating in time before or soon after 31st the task undertaken by the Secretary- August. General of the United Nations. If, however, the Secretary-General and his representatives were to find I am thankful for the understanding themselves unable to complete their shown by Mr Donald Stephens, Chief task in time, we will have to accept a Minister-designate of North Borneo slight delay , probably for a few days, (Sabah) and also Mr Lee Kuan Yew, in the establishment of Malaysia. We Prime Minister of Singapore, who have fully appreciate that all our prepara- said, out of regard for me, that they tion for Malaysia will be thrown out of would have no objection to a slight gear. But we have to accept this in- delay in celebrating or welcoming evitability in the interests of goodwill Malaysia. and understanding and, above all, in The Opposition parties in a letter the interests of peace in this region of to me sent late last night , a copy of Asia. I therefore ask all concerned to which appears in the Press this bear with me. We had always been morning, urged me to dissolve this committed to the 31st of August. But Parliament and hold a general election as a clear indication of our sincerity before proceeding with the debate on and honesty of purpose and of motive, Malaysia. It is a last minute idea, we are agreeing to this course of action perhaps with the best of intentions, but despite all the difficulties and em- to me it is a last minute idea to barrassment, which are bound to result embarrass and harass the Government from any change of date. when the Opposition as well as the I feel sure that the United Kingdom whole country knows only too well that and other Governments , who are joint discussions and debates on Malaysia signatories of the Malaysia Agreement have been going on well over a year. in London will appreciate the wisdom Views and opinions were expressed not of our action. It is to their and our only in this House but outside this interest to ensure that Malaysia is House fully and freely . Objections brought into being with the maximum have been made and objections have goodwill of all our friends and neigh- been recorded. No challenge had been bours. We have done all we could to issued to the Government to resign at clear the doubts and misapprehensions any time before, and at this very late of our close neighbours, and it will be hour this was suddenly done . Obviously a pity to prejudice the future of the Opposition does not expect the Malaysia by taking an uncompromising Government to be childish enough to attitude or stand in this matter. take them seriously and give in to their wild ambition . (Applause). We have agreed to the idea of observers witnessing the Secretary- Elections had been held recently in General's teams carrying out the work the local and town council elections 677 12 AUGUST 1963 678
and the issue of Malaysia was played Malaya and her neighbours, Philippines up by the Opposition . But what is the and Indonesia. result of it? The result of that is that the nation returned the Alliance by an While I welcome the support of the overwhelming majority in the Federa- Opposition for the Manila talks, let me tion's recent elections; (Appl`ause) and reiterate here that it does not aim at they returned the Alliance Party by a frustrating Malaysia. The most it can landslide victory in Sabah and a good do and hopes to do is to delay for only majority also voted for the Alliance a few days the Malaysia Day to enable Party in Sarawak. But the issue had our neighbours to welcome Malaysia always been Malaysia. And here now and to join with us in celebrating it. comes the challenge from the Opposi- That is the only substance in the tion which says, "if these conditions Manila Accord or Agreement which are met, the way would be opened for was reached recently at the Summit national unity on this important issue Talks. which is going to affect the lives and It was alleged by a columnist in the destinies of everyone of our people." Malayan Times that we did not send a There can never be unity with parties strong team of officials as did Indonesia who hold divergent views in politics for the purpose of building up a good and it is in the national interest that impression among the opinion makers we keep the Opposition at arm's of Manila. Let me tell this House that length. Their views are unhealthy to there was no need for us to do that. my mind, in particular, on the issue Our case is made and our case is clear. of Malaysia, which I consider to be There was no need for us to go beyond destructive, so much so that they can it, and the opinions that count with us be branded as enemy agents. In the are those of the people of this country, national interest there can be no pact the States of Sabah, Sarawak and with them. In this respect, I am happy Singapore and the party to the agree- to note that one of the responsible ment signed in London, i.e., Great parties in this country, the P.P.P. it is Britain, and our other friendly countries. not often that I pay them compli- ments-ref used to sign this thing We realise that opinions in Manila (Applause) and I compliment them and in Indonesia are against Malaysia for this. because each has its own particular reason for opposing it and each country The letter went on to say, "We, the has its own axe to grind in regard to Opposition parties, welcome the Manila the new nation. I do not wish to go Conference and pledge full support to into it for fear that I might sour the you" to me "in the implementation relationship that has been built up of the accord reached or achieved in among our countries as a result of the that Conference." Let me tell the Summit Talks recently held in Manila. Opposition that I would like to make The Manila Accord is itself a proof that it clear to all Honourable Members of what we have set out to do we have this House that the Manila talks did achieved. There is no need, therefore, not deal with the formation of for us to win over any opinion makers Malaysia. The Manila Accord only from anywhere, so long as we are provided suitable mechanics for the satisfied that the coming of Malaysia purpose of enabling Indonesia and the will be heralded by angels of peace and Philippines to welcome Malaysia. To welcomed by those neighbours of ours, welcome Malaysia is entirely a different Indonesia and the Philippines, and of matter from opposing Malaysia. The the other countries in Asia and the rest steps we are taking now in agreeing to of the world. the task to be undertaken by the Secretary-General, i.e., to ascertain the The officials have played their parts views of the people of the Borneo very well indeed and in a manner territories and even to the possible so sober and so dignified that what- deferment of the date of Malaysia, ever may be expressed in Manila, the spring entirely from our desire to main- fact remains that they have made a tain the cordial relationship between good impression on the Filipino people 679 12 AUGUST 1963 680
and the Philippines as a whole. Sensa- a Central Government with the tionalism may be a creed with some, necessary powers to carry out the but sober thinking and sober politics constitutional and administrative res- have brought Malaya to the fore ponsibilities , Malaysia will not be among the happiest and the most a success . We have already seen what prosperous nations in Asia (Applause)- happened to Federations which, in and let us keep sober and keep sane. deference to local and provincial Talks and empty boasts may impress interests , had been set up with inade- others, but I can say that they do not quate powers in the centre. Such worry us very much . All we have set Federations cannot last for long and out to do is to ask for peace and we all the trouble taken to set them up give thanks to God that that has been has been in vain. Peoples' hopes and agreed. There is no point, therefore, aspirations would be frustrated and the in playing up the talks , which is likely set-back in their social , economic and to harm the prospects for peace. There- political progress will be disastrous. fore, I do not wish to say anything We would not wish this to happen to more on this subject. The people in Malaysia and had therefore been this country are able and capable to taking a firm stand on the need for a form their own opinion from what I strong Central Government. can see from their reaction when I returned to this country after the We regret that Brunei which origi- nally intended to come into Malaysia, Manila talks , except, of course, those few who are against us and they will has decided not to do so at the last moment. always be against us no matter what- This again, as I have said, ever we do right or wrong, parti- and repeat, is a proof that no State cularly when we are right (Laughter). is forced against its will to join us if they do not want to do so. Whatever Mr Speaker, Sir, during these last they have decided, we will continue so many months the United Kingdom to be their good friends and neighbours Government, we and our future part- as we have always been in the past. ners have been working closely together We wish them happiness and prosperity in connection with Malaysia. Our in the future. discussions and negotiations had always What happened in relation to Brunei been carried out in an atmosphere of should nail the lie that we have been friendliness and understanding. We all throwing our weight around. We have always been firmly convinced respect the right of these peoples to that Malaysia will be in the best decide for themselves . interests of Sabah , Sarawak, Singapore In the case of Singapore, and the Federation of Malaya. What Sabah and Sarawak, we have decided to go ahead with Malay- remained to be done was working out sia together. the constitutional framework for reali- There had been close and constant contacts between representa- sing the hopes and aspirations of the tives of the people , and the Malaysia peoples of Malaysia . It was also all Solidarity Consultative Committee the time appreciated that there should merely provided a machinery for what be safeguards for the special interests had been going on all the time. The of the component States. We are in Cobbold Commission too has done its various stages of development and a work. Then there was the Lansdowne happy and prosperous nation can only Committee which was set up to work be built up on a basis of mutual out the necessary constitutional arrange- respect, trust and confidence. Our ments for bringing in Sabah and objectives are the same but the territo- Sarawak together with the safeguards ries have their own special interests to be provided for the special interests and by giving full cognisance to this, of their peoples. Concurrently the we feel confident that we can together officials of the various Governments build up a thriving and happy nation. have been in close touch in order to Nevertheless we have also been aware work out the necessary Governmental that there should be a strong and machinery. In all cases we were like effective Central Government . Without members of one family preparing the 681 12 AUGUST 1963 682 blueprint for Malaysia rather than and political maturity hold out great members of opposing factions trying to promise for the future. We therefore get the best for themselves. These are confident that our partners in tedious months of negotiations had Malaysia are partners worth having been months well spent . Not only have and will be partners for life. We will we worked out the framework for be facing the critical times ahead in Malaysia but we have also nurtured in the knowledge that we have with us, the process the meeting of minds and for better or for worse, people dedi- the understanding of each other's needs cated to the cause of the nation as a and points of view without which whole, who will share in our joy and Malaysia will not succeed. prosperity and stand firm with us in the defence of our rights and of our I would also like to take this opportu- country. nity to record our appreciation of the attitude of the United Kingdom I must also thank my Deputy Prime Government. From the beginning they Minister, Tun Abdul Razak, the have been unswervingly in support of Finance Minister, the Minister of Malaysia. In the light of recent history, Commerce and Industry and the Minis- you will appreciate that they have ter without Portfolio, Enche' Khaw come to realise that protectorates and Kai-Boh for all the help that they colonial territories are things of the have given to this Government and for past. They have also realised that the representing us in the negotiations held millions in Africa and Asia , formerly in London recently and the negotia- under their colonial tutelage must now tions held in Manila too recently. They be allowed to work out their future have been bearing the brunt of the destinies. But they also have a responsi- work on our side. We are grateful to bility to ensure that their erstwhile them and their real reward will be in colonies do not immediately plunge the knowledge that they have played into chaos and confusion or become their part in making Malaysia a reality. political vacuumes with the attendant And in this connection I would also uncertainties and miseries for the like to thank the hard-working Govern- people of their former colonial terri- ment officials who accompanied them tories. across the oceans in all kinds of weather in order to serve the cause of No doubt taking these matters into this nation. consideration, the United Kingdom has on their part been satisfied that Mr Speaker, Sir, the birth of Malay- Malaysia is the answer, although this sia will mean the realization of the will mean surrendering of sovereignty hopes of the millions of people in our over the new States now joining us. country and in the States joining us. Their Ministers and officials have been For better or for worse they have giving their fullest co-operation and it decided to hand together and bring was fitting and appropriate that the into being this new nation. Our duty climax to these negotiations and con- and our obligation have been and will sultations took place in London with always be merely to guide and channel the signing of the Malaysia Agreement the desires and aspirations of the on the 8th of July this year. people along lines which we consider to be for their ultimate good. In the I would also like to record our appre- process we have had the support of ciation of the support and co-operation all those who have at heart the interest of the representatives of the Singapore, of our people and our country, not only Sabah and Sarawak Governments, for the present but also for the years particularly the Prime Minister of to come. There are others who, for Singapore and the official and unoffi- motives best known to themselves, cial leaders of Sabah and Sarawak. have criticised and opposed us. We on Their unstinting support and unshaken our part are firmly convinced, as I faith in Malaysia have enabled us to have said before, that through Malay- weather the storms of the preceding sia, and only through Malaysia, can months. Their high sense of purpose our country and the new States survive 683 12 AUGUST 1963 684
the stresses and strains of the modern Mr Speaker, Sir, I can anticipate world. Only through Malaysia can we the joy that awaits Malaysia, the become a virile and prosperous nation anguish for those few for Malaysia ensuring peace, stability and happiness spells death. Everybody will benefit to our people. We will not be swayed from Malaysia. Only the communists from our course by the cries of those and their stooges have everything to who are out to wreck Malaysia for lose. For them Malaysia is the begin- their own selfish ends. With the grace ning of their strangling death. of God, Malaysia should become a Mr Speaker, Sir, we have gone a reality on the 31st of August or there- very gruesome journey firstly the Lon- about. Much depends on the speed don talks and secondly the Manila with which the Secretary-General of the United Nations can complete his Summit. In both we have waited anxiously and twice we have been well work. We will then be ready to face rewarded with great relief. Our Honour- the future and with the overwhelming able Prime Minister, Deputy Prime support of our people here and those Minister and their colleagues, notably in Singapore, Sabah and Sarawak, who the Minister of Finance and the Minis- will be throwing in their lot with us, ter of Commerce and Industry, have we have every confidence that we will everything to be proud of. We in our succeed. We sincerely believe in the normal way have everything to be correctness of our decision and the proud of them; to them we give our wisdom of our action. Let posterity salutation and congratulations. judge for itself. Mr Speaker, Sir, the Agreement Mr Speaker, Sir, I therefore ask this signed in London on 9th July, 1963, House to accept this motion, and I has opened up a new chapter in the beg to move. (Applause). history of South East Asia. Malaya, The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Singapore, Sarawak and Sabah have Siew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to agreed to be federated to form one second the motion. nation, Malaysia. Many controversial issues have been discussed and settled Mr Speaker: The motion is open for amicably. The financial grant of debate, but I think this is the best Singapore towards Borneo territories time to suspend the sitting. The figured prominently. No one can dis- sitting is suspended for 15 minutes. agreed that the Agreement reached is much to be welcomed. The financial Sitting suspended at 11.33 a.m. contribution towards the Central Government has also reached a satis- Sitting resumed at 12 noon. factory settlement. Perhaps, the mone- Debate resumed. tary issues have been accorded too much attention. Nevertheless no one Enche' Yong Woo Meng (Sitiawan): can doubt that the outcome is of Mr Speaker, Sir, much anxiety and mutual survival and prosperity. much argument have been said and Sir, the establishment of a Common will be said on Malaysia. Before us Market has much to be desired. Some today is a motion that is to decide the doubts have been expressed by some destiny of ten million people, which section of the members of commerce. per chance, by the turn of history, has Their fears might have arisen because driven them into close association of of overzealousness and anxiety. We one nation and one destiny. Upon us can assure them that the Alliance this day lies the responsibility to decide Government has their interest at heart, whether it is for the better or for the and their troubles are ours. worse should Malaysia come about. To us Malaysia is the hope of the Sir, what is Malaysia? Is it just a future, and even President Kennedy federation of various States, or is it commented that Malaysia is the best a union of the peoples of the same hope of security in that vital part of destiny to future prosperity? There is the world. no victor or vanquished, instead a 685 12 AUGUST 1963 686 mutual federation of common aspira- perplexing. We appreciate their kind tion believing that "united we stand congratulations of Tunku's achieve- and prosper". ment, but I can see no reason for them to ask for the right of self-determina- Malaysia spells the end of British tion in Singapore. May I ask them : colonialism in South East Asia and the are they blind to that referendum held emerging of a new nationalism. For the in Singapore last year? In case they first time, after centuries of exploita- might have forgotten, don't they realise tion and slavery, we are free to exercise that 75 per cent of the people there have our own rights to choose and govern voted for the Government's proposal? our own destiny. This new indepen- dence should be zealously guarded or Mr Speaker, Sir, we have much to otherwise it will be a mere transition be grateful to the farsightedness of from the colonial yoke to communist Britain, the forthright moral support slavery. Sir, curiously, perhaps coinci- of the United Nations, of America and dentally, it is also the symbol of the many of our fellow Commonwealth agonising death of the communists. No countries and many other countries wonder they are not slow to oppose it. which have shown a sympathetic and In their adamant opposition, believe encouraging support. As for Indonesia me, they have left no stone unturned to and the Philippines, we have reached oppose Malaysia from the very begin- a compromising settlement and even ing. History has not been kind to them we have gone as far as projecting a at best in Malaysia. farsighted after dream MAPHILINDO. In Malaysia, Sir, economically we Thank you, Sir. have all to gain. Businessmen have a Enche' Zulkiflee; bin Muhammad larger market to trade. More trade (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di- means a greater prosperity. The creation dalam mengemukakan usul yang kedua of a Common Market provides pro- pagi ini Yang Amat Berhormat Per- tection and a much larger market for dana Menteri telah mencheritakan local goods. This is a stimulus to kapada Dewan ini perkembangan2 greater speed for industrialisation. akhir dengan menanda tangani sa-buah More factories will provide more jobs. perjanjian di-antara Kerajaan Perseku- It is just like a positive feed-back tuan Tanah Melayu dengan Kerajaan reaction to the future prosperity. Let United Kingdom dan Kerajaan2 North us not be mistaken that communism Borneo, Sarawak dan Singapura. Yang breeds best in poverty. di-kehendaki oleh Yang Berhormat Sir, the Manila Accord is a great Perdana Menteri is-lah bahawa per- achievement of regional understanding. janjian yang telah di-meterikan itu di- It is the beginning to further greatness, sahkan dan di-luluskan oleh Dewan now Malaysia is to be launched and the yang bertuah ini. Walau pun telah formation of MAPHILINDO is not so banyak di-sebutkan oleh Yang Berhor- far in future. We have everything to mat Perdana Menteri cherita2 berkenaan be grateful, and the question of plebis- dengan perkembangan yang telah di- cite which has so long been a thorny chapai perjanjian Malaysia itu tetapi subject has just been thrashed out. ada beberapa perkara yang terchatit The Secretary-General of the United di-dalam perjanjian Malaysia itu sen- Nations, U Thant, has formally been diri telah tidak menjadi pokok per- asked to assess or ascertain the wishes bahathan bagi Perdana Menteri; of the people. I have no doubt of the entahkan kerana dia memikirkan ada outcome. Nevertheless, I still maintain beberapa perkara yang tidak hendak that there is no need for any sort of di-terangkan kapada Dewan ini atau assessment since the recent elections in pun kerana di-fikirkan perkara itu Borneo territories have proved beyond kechil. doubt of their general desire for Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apabila Malaysia. sa-buah Dewan yang sa-macham ini Sir, the press statement made by the hendak meluluskan sa-suatu perjanjian Socialist Front on 8th August is ;yang di-buat maka yang menjadi pokok 687 12 AUGUST 1963 688 is-lah bahawa isi perjanjian itu semua- pehak saya meluluskan perjanjian nya menjadi perkara perbahathan. Kita Malaysia ini tidak-lah dapat di-lakukan telah mendengar Usul Yang Amat Ber- oleh Dewan ini kerana beberapa sebab hormat Perdana Menteri itu yang Ber- yang akan saya sebutkan. Isi perjanjian bunyi : itu is-lah membawakan pembentokan Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ingatan Malaysia yang belum lagi kita ketahui akan kehendak ra`ayat Borneo Utara, is telah mendapat persetujuan ra`ayat Sarawak dan Singapura supaya di-sekutukan tentang dapat atau tidak-nya dia me- dalam sa-buah Negara Malaysia dengan lakukan usaha2 bagi membentok Negeri2 yang ada sekarang ini dalam Per- sekutuan Tanah Melayu menurut perjanjian Malaysia. Pada pendapat saya apabila yang telah di-tanda-tangan di-London pada sa-buah Kerajaan hendak membuat 9hb Julai, 1963, dan dengan ini ada-lah perjanjian yang besar yang membawa mengesahkan perjanjian itu. bukan sahaja kapada perubahan bebe- Yang menjadi soal kapada saya is-lah rapa perhubongan di-antara negeri2 kalimah "mengambil ingatan" yang kita dengan negeri2 lain, tetapi mem- di-katakan oleh Perdana Menteri itu. bawakan perubahan chorak kenegaraan Saya tidak tahu sama ada Perdana yang besar maka mustahak-lah perkara Menteri telah berpendapat sa-mata2 itu lebeh dahulu di-jadikan pertim- dengan Penyata Cobbold Commission bangan umum di-dalam negeri ini dari- di-jadikan asas bahawa ra`ayat Borneo pada awal-nya lagi. Tidak-lah chukup Utara, Sarawak, dan, dengan Referren- sa-mata2 kita kemukakan perkara itu dum, Singapura telah benar2 setuju dengan menggunakan apa yang di- dengan Malaysia. Tetapi apa yang ber- katakan majority di-dalam Dewan laku sa-bagaimana yang di-terangkan Ra`ayat sa-hingga menyebabkan per- oleh Perdana Menteri sendiri di-dalam kara yang sa-bagitu besar tidak di- persetujuan-nya di-Manila, bahawa bahathkan oleh ra`ayat negeri itu Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu akan juga sendiri dengan kuasa yang ada pada- melakukan satu jalan yang akan men- nya menurut Perlembagaan negeri mi. chapai penentuan sama ada ra`ayat2 di-Borneo dan Sarawak itu bersetuju Tuan Yang di-Pertua , saya sebutkan dengan Malaysia. Mendahului pendapat perkara itu is-lah kerana sa -kira-nya Setia Usaha Agong Bangsa2 Bersatu kita membuat satu perkara yang kechil dengan mengatakan telah di-ketahui pun berhajat kapada pandangan umum dan membawakan langkah2 bagi pe- yang menyetujui-nya, oleh itu maka nentuan di-dalam Dewan ini ada-lah amat-lah mustahak-nya dalam perkara berlawan dengan tujuan pengesahan yang besar saperti Malaysia bahawa dan pengakuan Perdana Menteri sen- ra`ayat dapat peranan di-dalam-nya. dini yang mengatakan bahawa Bangsa2 Kita tahu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, parti Bersatu boleh-lah menyiasat dan meng- Perikatan telah menang di-dalam Pi- ambil penentuan dengan langkah itu. lehan Raya tahun 1959 dengan Apa-kah yang akan jadi kapada kita manifesto-nya. Tetapi tidak-lah terse- di-sini, sa-kira-nya ternyata daripada but di-dalam manifesto-nya itu bahawa penyiasatan U Thant bahawa ra`ayat dia hendak melakukan sa-suatu yang di-Borneo Utara dan Sarawak itu tidak akan mengubah bentok Perlembagaan menyetujui Malaysia. Kalau pada hari negeri ini kapada sa-buah negara yang ini kita dapat menanggohkan Malaysia besar. Apa yang di-akui is-lah bahawa beberapa hari, tetapi saya tidak fikir dia akan berpegang tegoh dengan Per- ada kesediaan daripada Perdana Men- lembagaan yang ada sekarang mi. teri bahawa dia juga akan membatalkan Tetapi apa yang berlaku bahawa per- Malaysia pada masa U Thant menyata- ubahan yang di-mestikan oleh perjan- kan bahawa di-dalam pendapat-nya jian itu menurut kehendak2 yang kedua2 wilayah itu tidak mengkehen- tertentu pada article 5, 6 dan juga daki Malaysia. Saya berasa bahawa article 2, menyatakan kapada kita ba- perkataan2 yang di-sebut di-dalam usul hawa perubahan yang di-timbulkan ini ada-lah perkataan2 dan percha- oleh perjanjian itu ada-lah perubahan2 kapan2 dengan tidak menghindarkan yang mustahak dan besar . Pada pen- apa yang telah di-akui di-Manila dapat saya sa-kira-nya Kerajaan berasa baharu2 mi. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi bahawa soal yang saperti itu ada-lah 689 12 AUGUST 1963 690
soal yang jelas, terang dan baik saperti pengkalan2 tentera di-dalam negeri ini yang di-nyatakan oleh Perdana Menteri untok memborong semua pertahanan2 pada segi ini maka tidak-lah ada satu yang ada pada bahu manusia dalam sebab bahawa Kerajaan tidak mahu dunia ini kapada Malaysia dengan mengambil fikiran ra`ayat di-dalam hal alat2 Malaysia, nyata-lah bahawa negeri mi. Satu daripada akibat yang di-bawa kita ini akan menjadi satellite ekor perjanjian yang di-katakan di-minta bagi negeri Inggeris yang Keraj aan-nya kelulusan-nya di-dalam Dewan ini ia- akan menggunakan negeri kita kapada lah bahawa kita mengesahkan fasal 6 kepentingan2 yang nampak pada mata daripada perjanjian itu. Tuan Yang mereka walau pun tidak dapat di- di-Pertua, fasal 6 itu ada-lah satu fasal terima oleh mata kita sendiri. Per- yang menyentoh, pada pendapat saya, janjian ini tidak menyatakan walau kedaulatan bangsa kita, kedaulatan sadikit kuasa bagi Kerajaan Perseku- negeri kita, dan kedaulatan kemerde- tuan Tanah Melayu menidakkan atau kaan negeri mi. Di-dalam fasal 6 ini menolak hak bagi membolehkan mereka di-nyatakan dengan terang bahawa pe- ini menggunakan pengkalan perang nyentohan itu sampai kapada taraf dalam negeri mi. Sa-balek-nya dalam yang mengkebelakangkan taraf kemer- Article VI mengatakan dekaan negeri ini sa-bagai satu taraf "the Government of Malaysia will afford to yang tidak lagi sa-suai dengan maruah- the Government of the United Kingdom nya. Yang hujong-nya bagi kelulusan per- Saya bachakan Fasal Yang VI ii- tahanan yang ada di-dalam Article VI "The Agreement on External Defence and ini menyatakan "preservation of peace". Mutual Assistance between the Government Inggeris ada mempunyal konsep dia of the Federation of Malaya and the Govern- ment of the United Kingdom of 12th sendiri di-dalam ma`ana mema`anakan October, 1957, and its annexes shall apply dan tafsiran "preservation of peace". to all territories of Malaysia, and any Dia menyangka bahawa dunia ini ada- reference in that Agreement to the Federation lah jagaan dia sendiri, dan bahawa of Malaya shall be deemed to apply to Malaysia. ." peace (keamanan) yang di-fahamkan oleh Inggeris itu ada-lah keamanan Kalau had itu sahaja ada sadikit yang bersangkutan dengan dia sendiri. rengan-nya, tetapi di-hujong kata-nya Maka saya tidak dapat menerima "subject to the proviso that the Govern- bahawa negeri kita dapat di-jadikan ment of Malaysia will afford to the Govern- ekor pada sa-buah Kerajaan yang ber- ment of the United Kingdom the right to tujuan hendak mengikut "preservation continue to maintain the bases and other facilities at present occupied by their Service of peace" di-seluroh South-East Asia. authorities within the State of Singapore and will permit the Government of the United Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menterjemah- Kingdom to make such use of these bases kan "preservation of peace" bagi and facilities as that Government may seluroh South-East Asia ini ada-lah consider necessary for the purpose of assis- satu benda yang luas. Sa-barang kej a- ting in the defence of Malaysia, and for Commonwealth defence and for the preser- dian yang berlaku di-sabuah pulau vation of peace in South-East Asia." kechil pun boleh di-ma`anakan oleh Inggeris bahawa itu perlu kapada peng- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita tahu negeri gunaan pengkalan2 tentera yang ada kita ini telah merdeka, kita tahu di-sini. Bagi "preservation of peace in bahawa tujuan kita menchari kemer- South-East Asia" kalau orang Inggeris dekaan dan menchapai-nya is-Iah memandang bahawa mereka telah di- mengwujudkan kekuatan dan kedaulatan tugaskan oleh tugas2 yang di-tentukan kita sendiri. Kalau sa-kira-nya per- oleh angan2 mereka sendiri bagi men- janjian yang ada ini sa-mata2 berhajat j aga South-East Asia, maka biar-lah kapada pertahanan Malaysia, walau mereka menggunakan tempat mereka pun saya tidak bersetuju pada-nya, sendiri. Mereka boleh menggunakan tetapi dapat-lah kita faham tujuan- Hong Kong bagi kepentingan perta- nya, sebab tiap2 negeri ingin memper- hanan, sebab Hong Kong ada-lah tahankan negeri-nya. Tetapi, Tuan negeri yang di-bawah naongan. Inggeris Yang di-Pertua, apabila di-wujudkan itu sendiri, negeri yang di-jajah oleh 691 12 AUGUST 1963 692
Inggeris sendiri. Persekutuan Tanah maka Persekutuan Tanah Melayu mesti Melayu sudah memerdekakan negeri- membayar harga-nya dengan menje- nya, dan bagi kepentingan kedaulatan jaskan kemerdekaan yang telah di- kemerdekaan itu, Persekutuan Tanah chapai-nya? Ini-lah chara yang saya Melayu tidak lagi mesti bahkan tidak rasa berlawanan dan (repugnant) tidak lagi sa-patut-nya menjadi ekor bagi dapat di-terima dari segi konsep ke- Inggeris bagi mempertahankan sa-suatu merdekaan bagi negeri ini yang di- yang pada pandangan Inggeris untok kemukakan oleh perjanjian yang keamanan South-East Asia. di-meterikan di-London, dan di-minta kelulusan dalam Dewan ini pada hari Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dari segi Per- mi. sekutuan Tanah Melayu keamanan South-East Asia tentu-fah menjadi Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara ini chita2 kita sendiri, sebab kita tidak ada-lah satu perkara yang besar dan ingin hidup di-dalam wilayah ini yang perkara yang berhajatkan kapada penoh dengan kanchah pertemporan pertimbangan yang dalam dan yang dan pertarongan senjata antara siapa berhajatkan kapada pemerhatian yang berat. Jadi kalau Malaysia tidak dapat dengan siapa, tetapi dalam perkem- di-kemukakan lebeh dahulu kapada bangan politik international pada masa ► ra`ayat untok di-tentukan penerimaan ini sudah pada tempat-nya-lah Kera- atau penolakan-nya dan Malaysia jaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu memahamkan bahawa kita sudah sa- mengekori kapada penundokan kedau- patut-nya meluchutkan diri daripada latan negeri ini kapada kekuatan sen- memaksa diri kita berpegang kapada jata bangsa yang lain, maka nyata-lah orang lain dalam menentukan kaedah bahawa yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang keamanan di-South-East Asia. South- Berhormat Perdana Menteri ini ber: East Asia ada-lah satu kawasan yang lawanan dengan kepentingan negeri negeri-nya bukan tersusun dalam negeri ini dan kepentingan ra`ayat negeri ini, Inggeris, tetapi tersusun dari umat Asia terutama bangsa Melayu yang berhajat dan umat2 yang berasal sa-rumpun dan kapada terpelihara kepentingan-nya sa-bangsa dengan kita pada sa-tengah2- dalam sa-barang langkah Kerajaan nya. Maka apa-kah sebab-nya dengan yang menghendaki pengembangan atau perjanjian ini kita mesti melibatkan perlanjutan negeri mi. diri dengan orang Inggeris dan Kera- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita tahu jaan Inggeris di-dalam menjaga ke- bahawa di-dalam Article VIII telah amanan negeri kita sendiri? Pada di-nyatakan bahawa isi2 bagi peratoran2 pendapat saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, serta ranchangan2 yang akan berlaku kita sudah tua dan chukup tua untok dalam; Malaysia itu ada-lah terkandong mengetahui di-mana dudok kepentingan dalam Report of the Inter-Govern- keamanan negeri kita sendiri dan kita mental Committee yang di-tandatangani dapat mentafsirkan apa-kah di-mak- pada 27hb Februari, 1963. sudkan dengan keamanan South-East Asia, dan kita akan dapat menghurai- Saya merasa bahawa agreement ini kan kesulitan2 antara orange yang ada yang meluluskan bahawa report ini di-South-East Asia mi. di-terima dan di-laksanakan tujuan2-nya tidak-lah berpatutan, sebab dalam Boleh jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, report Mini di-nyatakan beberapa sharat2 tujuan yang besar bagi Inggeris, dan dan keadaan2 yang berlawanan dengan ini agak-nya tidak di-perhatikan oleh kepentingan kehidupan negeri ini, dan perwakilan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu juga berlawanan dengan kedudokan is-lah menjaga wilayah2 yang kechil bangsa Melayu dalam negeri ini, serta yang ada dekat2 di-sini saperti Hong berlawanan dengan kepentingan ke- Kong dan untok menjaga kepentingan wangan dan kekuasaan negeri mi. Tuan Australia. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita Yang di-Pertua, perkara ini tidak-lah tidak menyuroh negeri Hong Kong hendak saya bahathkan di-sini, sebab atau Australia atau sa-siapa di-serang implications atau. `akibat2-nya daripada oleh sa-siapa, tetapi kalau pertahanan report ini akan di-dapati dalam Rang ini hendak di-lakukan apa sebab-nya Undang2 yang di-kemukakan di-Dewan 693 1 2 AUGUST 1963 694
ini, tetapi oleh kerana saya berpendapat ada bertujuan hendak mengujudkan demikian dan oleh kerana saya fikir Malaysia, maka saya memandang perkara ini ada-lah perkara besar, dan bahawa yang teraniaya sa-kali is-lah oleh kerana Perdana Menteri sendiri ra`ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu. dalam uchapan-nya pada pagi ini Negeri ini is-lah sa-buah negeri yang menyatakan bahawa kita berke- mengagongkan demokrasi. Sejarah hendakan kapada strong effective hendak menjadikan anak sulong bagi Central Government, maka saya ber- demokrasi dalam negeri ini, tetapi pendapat bahawa meluluskan per- dalam perkara2 yang besar saperti ini janjian ini ada-fah berlawanan dengan dia tidak dapat melakukan-nya. Sa- apa yang di-sebutkan oleh Perdana kira-nya benar apa yang di-katakan Menteri. oleh Perdana Menteri bahawa daripada sambutan yang di-lihat-nya sa-waktu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, strong effective dia balek turun daripada padang kapal Central Government tidak-lah dapat terbang is-itu di-dapati-nya bahawa sa-mata2 dengan menyebutkan bahawa ra`ayat di-sini sukakan Malaysia, maka kita berkehendakkan dan mementing- tidak ada satu sebab mengapa dia kan Keraj;aan Pusat yang kuat dalam teragak2 dan lambat mengemukakan negeri ini, tetapi sa-balek-nya akan di-dapati dengan lebeh banyak lagi perkara ini kapada ra`ayat, dan oleh sebab itu, saya rasa perkara yang besar memusatkan kuasa2 dalam Persekutuan ini mesti-lah di-kemukakan kapada yang hendak di-buat-nya itu. mi nyata ra`ayat. Apabila bangkangan telah tidak dapat di-ujudkan, kerana Perdana timbul, maka chepat-lah Perdana Menteri telah menyebutkan bahawa tidak ada siapa yang di-paksa untok Menteri memberi chap. Dia kata negeri ini mengamalkan demokrasi, tetapi masok Ma' aysia paksa tidak ada, kalau di-bangkang, maka di-chap-nya tetapi di-beri suap, di-pujok dan di-beri orang itu "Chap Kominis". O: eh kerana keistimewaan yang luar biasa yang kekurangan rubber stamp dalam Kera- berlawanan dengan chara ke`adilan jaan maka chap Komunis ada-lah satu bagi mengujudkan bahawa Kerajaan chap yang terletak di-meja Perdana Pusat yang mempunyal negeri kechil Menteri untok mengechap siapa sahaja (component State) saperti Persekutuan yang menentang-nya dalam Dewan mi. Tanah Melayu. Jadi, oleh yang demi- kian perjanjian ini ada-lah `akibat-nya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dia tidak menga- banyak pada negeri ini, saya fikir takan siapa yang menentang Malaysia maka dia Komunis, tetapi dia tidak perkara ini hendak-lah di-rojok kapada nampak jalan, kenapa manusia dalam ra`ayat supaya ra`ayat dapat menentu- dunia ini mesti menentang Malaysia, kan siapa yang patut di-ikuti tentang burok baik-nya Malaysia mi. kalau tidak dia Komunis. Maka oleh yang demikian saya merojok pandangan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam men- Dewan ini kapada apa yang telah di- dapat ketentuan sama ada bersetuju lakukan dalam perbahathan dahulu atau tidak, soal2 yang berkenaan yang dalam Dewan ini ketika penentangan berchampor dengan Malaysia ini telah Malaysia kami lakukan. Kami telah banyak perkara, perkara yang timbul, menyatakan bahawa kepentingan bang- dan hingga-lah membawa perkara ini sa Melayu itu ada-lah amat mustahak bagi mereportkan kapada Pertubohan di-pelihara, dan Kominis itu tidak ada Bangsa2 Bersatu untok mengambil sangkut-paut-nya dengan soal mi. pandangan dalam perkara ini, tetapi orange heboh tentang ra`ayat Sarawak, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, persetujuan orange heboh tentang ra`ayat Sabah ra`ayat, kata Perdana Menteri dan kata dan orange heboh tentang ra`ayat orange Perikatan telah di-dapati, kerana Singapura, tetapi ra`ayat Persekutuan di-dalam pilehan2 raya Majlis Bandaran Tanah Melayu belum lagi di-hebohkan orange telah mengundi Perikatan. Sa- o'.eh sa-siapa. Saya memandang bahawa tahu saya di-dalam pilehan raya Majlis2 ra`ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, Bandaran, yang menjadi soal is-lah oleh kerana Kerajaan yang ada se- membuat jalan, membuat pant, meng- karang ini tidak menyatakan di-dalam elokkan tempat2 tandas, menentukan pilehan raya-nya dahulu bahawa dia tempat2 kediaman, membuat tempat2 695 12 AUGUST 1963 696 perhentian taxi2 dan menentukan bagai- yang di-beri oleh pemileh2 atau mana chara ranchangan bagi meng- pengundi2 kapada ahli2 Parlimen untok ator jalan2 dan sa-bagai-nya. Hal menguruskan sa-suatu hal yang berlaku Malaysia, boleh jadi ada di-gunakan terhadap sa-sabuah negeri pada masa di-dalam pilehan2 raga Majlis Bandaran pilehan raya. dan Majlis Tempatan, tetapi itu tidak Maka hal yang bernama Malaysia menjadi soal pokok. Melainkan kalau ini tidak berlaku pada tahun 1959, ia- Perikatan memandang bahawa soal itu hanya berlaku pada tahun 1961 Malaysia itu-lah yang menjadi soal waktu di-kemukakan dalam Dewan mi. pokok pilehan raya itu. Maka saya Oleh sebab yang demikian, oleh sebab tidak nampak dalam hal itu. Yang penentuan kehendak atau tidak-nya demikian pilehan2 raya yang di-jalan- dari ra`ayat Borneo Utara dan Sarawak kan baharu2 ini telah menelorkan belum dapat di-lakukan dan oleh sebab hasil bahawa Perikatan telah menang ra`ayat negeri ini belum lagi memberi- dalam Majlis2 Bandaran di-beberapa kan mandat-nya kapada Kerajaan buah tempat, tetapi saya suka menarek untok membuat perjanjian yang saperti perhatian dalam Dewan ini is-itu apa ini bagi mengubah kedudokan negeri yang di-laporkan oleh surat khabar itu, ini di-dalam bentok-nya dan oleh sebab saya tidak tahu satakat mana-kah beberapa bahaya yang nyata di-dalam benar-nya, Perikatan telah menang Article2 perjanjian ini yang akan ber- banyak dalam Majlis2 Bandaran, tetapi tambah terang apabila di-bahathkan undi ada-lah lebeh sadikit daripada satu persatu membahathkan Malaysia parti2 Pembangkang. "Lebeh sadikit" kelak, maka saya mengemukakan satu bukan "lebeh banyak" sadikit. Perikatan pindaan kapada chadangan ini is-itu mendapat sa-banyak 253,000 undi dan dengan membuangkan perkataan2 sa- parti2 Pembangkang yang lain men- sudah perkataan "ingatan" sampai dapat sa-banyak 260,000 undi. Kalau- kapada perkataan "Persekutuan", di- lah Malaysia ini di-jadikan ukoran, gantikan dengan perkataan "Bahawa jangan-lah kerusi Majlis2 Bandaran itu Kerajaan tiada mempunyai mandat dari di-gunakan. Kalau referendum di-laku- ra`ayat untok membentok Malaysia yang kan mithal-nya, maka nyata-lah bahawa dengan-nya negeri2 Sabah, Sarawak kalah Perikatan dalam hal ini. Jadi, dan Singapura akan di-sekutukan jangan-lah di-logickan sangat soal dengan negeri2 Persekutuan", di-ganti- pilehan raya Majlis2 Bandaran itu. kan dengan perkataan2 itu dan pindaan Kemana-kah lagi penentuan ra`ayat ini saya mohon kapada Dewan ini itu dapat di-lakukan? Bagi saya, Tuan di-luluskan. Yang di-Pertua, mandate dari ra`ayat Mr Speaker: Saya hendak tahu ada- itu ada-lah penting. Saya maksudkan kah pindaan ini hendak di-buang semua bahawa dari melakukan agreement sa-kali usul yang ada di-hadapan Majlis saperti mandate sa-saorang itu, mandate ini ya`ani di-gantikan dengan . . . . . dari ra`ayat ada-lah penting bahawa ra`ayat ada-lah bersetuju kapada apa Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: yang di-lakukan oleh Kerajaan itu Tidak, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. la-itu sendiri, tetapi mandate tidak ada pada membuang perkataan2 "akan . . . Kerajaan yang ada sekarang ini. Tidak Persekutuan." ada untok membuat penentuan terhadap Mr Speaker: Mana dia punya pin- agreement ini, dan tidak ada untok daan, tidak ada di-sini? membuat penentuan terhadap Malaysia. Saya tahu bahawa executive power atau Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: kuasa pentadbiran, kuasa memerentah Minta ma`af, saya silap. is-lah di-beri oleh Perlembagaan ka- Mr Speaker: Sa-patut-nya hendak-lah pada Cabinet is-itu untok memboleh- di-buat pindaan itu mithal-nya, buang kan-nya bagi membuat perjanjian2 kalimah itu, bagini, bagini, dan di-ganti- tetapi di-dalam politik, mandate ada- kan dengan kalimah ini, ini, jadi terang. lah penting. Kita tahu bahawa yang Betulkan sa-mula mana2 kalimah yang di-maksudkan dengan mandate itu ia- hendak di-buang itu dan berikan ka- lah satu sanction atas suatu kelulusan pada saya. 697 12 AUGUST 1963 698
Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: Yang di-Pertua, "dan dengan ini ada- Saya menchadangkan supaya di-buang lah mengesahkan . . . ." perkataan2 sa-sudah "ingatan", "Ba- Mr Speaker: Jadi? hawa Majlis ini mengambil ingatan" semua perkataan "akan ...... Per- Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: sekutuan" itu di-buang. Saya menukarkan dan menambah per- kataan "tidak mengesahkan". Mr Speaker: Pada barisan yang per- tama ? Mr Speaker: Kalimah itu hendak di- masokkan di-mana ? Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: Ya. Barisan yang pertama, kedua, Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: ketiga dan keempat sampai perkataan Sa-sudah perkataan "ada-lah tidak "Persekutuan", dan di-gantikan di- mengesahkan". tempat perkataan yang hendak di-buang Mr Speaker: Jadi di-buang pada itu dengan perkataan "bahawa Kera- kalimah2 barisan yang pertama dari- jaan tiada mempunyai mandat dari pada perkataan "akan" sampai kapada ra`ayat . . . .". perkataan "Persekutuan", dan di-ganti- kan dengan kalimah yang di-bahathkan Mr Speaker: Nanti dahulu. Jadi dua kali perkataan "bahawa". tadi. Dan sampai itu di-tambah lagi kalimah "tidak" pada barisan yang Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: kelima sa-belum kalimah "ada-lah Yang tidak di-buang ..... mengesahkan", itu patut-lah di-tuliskan bagitu supaya terang. Mr Speaker: "Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ingatan bahawa", satu lagi Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: kalimah "bahawa", jadi dua kali ka- Jadi, itu-lah saya mengemukakan limah "bahawa" ? pindaan ini dengan harapan . . . Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: Mr Speaker: Chuba bachakan pin- Ya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Saya sanggup daan itu sa-kali lagi supaya semua mempertahankan-nya. orang faham. Mr Speaker: Saya mengikut sahaja. Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: "Bahawa Majlis ini, mengambil ingatan Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: bahawa Kerajaan tiada mempunyai "Bahawa Kerajaan tiada mempunyai mandat dari ra`ayat untok membentok mandat dari ra`ayat untok membentok Malaysia yang dengan-nya negeri2 Malaysia yang dengan-nya negeri2 Sabah, Sarawak dan Singapura akan Sabah, Sarawak dan Singapura akan di-sekutukan dengan negeri2 Perseku- di-sekutukan dengan negeri2 Perseku- tuan menurut perjanjian yang telah tuan" stop di-situ. Kemudian balek di-tandatangan di-London pada 9 hari- saperti perkataan asal, "menurut per- bulan Julai, 1963, dan dengan ini ada- janjian yang telah di-tandatangan di- lah tidak mengesahkan perjanjian itu". London pada 9 haribulan Julai, 1963, Jadi saya mengemukakan pindaan dan dengan ini ada-lah tidak mengesah- ini is-lah kerana memandangkan de- kan perjanjian itu". ngan perkara2 yang telah saya sebutkan Mr Speaker: Kalimah "dan" dan di-dalam Dewan ini tadi dan saya harap kalimah "ada-lah", itu tidak ada di- Dewan ini menimbangkan perkara ini sini ? dengan halus. Sa-kira-nya penting maka perkara ini hendak-lah di-fikirkan Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: dengan lanjut dan di-kemukakan ka- Itu pindaan lagi satu. pada orang ramai, sekian. Mr Speaker: Terangkan, di-mana Wan Mustapha bin Haji Ali (Kelan- dudok-nya kalimah "dan" dan kalimah tan Hilir): Saya menyokong, Tuan "ada-lah" itu. Yang di-Pertua. Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: Mr Speaker: Saya belum lagi mene- Dia ada di-dalam perkataan asal, Tuan rima pindaan itu (Ketawa). Ahli2 Yang 699 12 AUGUST 1963 700
Berhormat, kalimah yang di-sebutkan Mr Speaker: The sitting is suspended di-dalam terjemahan Melayu ini dengan till half-past four this afternoon. terjemahan yang telah di-chap di-dalam bahasa Inggeris ini, harus mengambil Sitting suspended at 12.55 p.m. ma`ana yang berlainan. Pada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok membawa Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m. pindaan ini nampak-nya dia berpegang (Mr Speaker in the Chair) kapada kalimah "mengesahkan perjan- jian", maka pada bahasa asal yang MALAYSIA pertama itu tidak ada di-sebut "menge- Debate resumed. sahkan perjanjian", chuma di-sebut di-sini : Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, "That this House, noting that the pada sa-belah pagi tadi Yang Ber- Government does not have the mandate hormat dari kawasan Bachok telah from the people to form Malaysia whereby membawa satu pindaan atas usul yang the States of North Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore will be federated with the existing ada di-hadapan Majlis ini atas nama States of the Federation in accordance with Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Men- the agreement signed in London on 9th ten. Pindaan ini berma`ana-Iah pada July, 1963, hereby does not endorse that faham saya satu bangkangan yang tepat agreement". atas usul yang asal itu. Oleh yang Jadi, bila di-pinda kalimah "tidak demikian, saya dukachita tidak dapat mengesahkan", sa-olah2 pindaan ini menerima-nya, kerana mengikut per- pindaan yang tidak bermaksud kapada atoran yang biasa hanya-lah boleh usul yang pertama itu. Sa-olah2 is-nya mengundi tidak bersetuju pada usul lari daripada tujuan yang asal kerana yang asal itu. tidak ada sebut di-sini di-dalam usul yang pertama itu supaya "majlis ini Honourable Members, the Honour- mengesahkan perjanjian yang di-buat able Member for Bachok has submitted di-London . . ." an amendment to the motion of the Honourable the Prime Minister which mi satu perkara yang berkehendak- has the effect of turning that motion kan fikiran yang lebeh • panjang lagi, into what is substantially its direct oleh itu bagus kalau kita tempohkan. negative. That being the case, I regret Enche' Zulkifee bin Muhammad: that I must rule it out of order as Tuan Yang di-Pertua, boleh saya ber- inadmissible, because the proper pro- chakap sadikit. cedure for negativing a motion in the Mr Speaker: Boleh! House is to vote against it. Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: Enche' Chin See Yin (Seremban Saya pun sedar berkenaan dengan Timor): Mr Speaker, Sir, the motion kesulitan terjemahan Melayu mi. Yang requires this House to endorse the sa-benar-nya, pada asas-nya saya meng- agreement signed in London on the gunakan bahasa Inggeris sa-bagai asas 9th of July, 1963. It only means one pindaan saya, dan saya telah membuat thing to my mind : the rice is in the pindaan itu saperti ini : pot, it is in the process of cooking, That this House noting that the Govern- whether it is cooked or uncooked, let ment does not have the mandate of the us eat it. That is what it is tantamount people to form Malaysia whereby the States to. But, Sir, it is a great pity in a of North Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore democratic country to accuse anyone will be federated with the existing States of the Federation in accordance with the agree- opposing the formation of Malaysia as ment signed in London on the 9th July, 1963, a communist or communist agent. hereby does not endorse that agreement. Surely, Sir, when a person opposes Itu sahaja perkataan "endorsement Malaysia there must be a reason or of the agreement" ada dalam chadangan reasons for it. In my case I say that I asal Perdana Menteri. Sebab perkara support Malaysia in principle, but that itu ada-lah yang menjadi istilah need not necessarily mean that I Parlimen. Suka-lah saya merundingkan support the type of Malaysia that is perkara itu kapada Tuan Yang di- proposed. The type of Malaysia that Pertua. we are going to form and adopt is one 701 12 AUGUST 1963 702 of great pity. It is one that has been In the Commission's Report, with thrown on to us by a third party. If reference to the two territories in we go back to the year 1961, we will Borneo, immigration is an important remember that one moonlit night the issue; in fact, we have agreed to allow Honourable the Prime Minister at a them to have their own law to control party in Singapore said : Let us have immigration. We, in the Federation, Malaysia. From that time onwards have got to give them $300 million to Malaysia came into being and it was assist them in rural development or widely discussed. such other development as the Central The terms of Malaysia are most Government may consider fit. On the unfavourable to the Federation of other hand, the Singapore Government, Malaya, but they are of great favour it was reported, is only giving them a to the States of Singapore, Sarawak loan of $150 million, and on this loan and the British North Borneo. Why do they enjoy interest annually and some- I say so, Sir? This is in connection thing more and that something more with the report that has been circulated is very important because it is going to the Honourable Members in this to benefit the people of Singapore. In House it is known as the Cobbold the Federation that is to come, or in Report. In this report much has been the Malaysia that will soon be born, mentioned about immigration laws, we are going to present them with education, special privileges, develop- $300 million and our people cannot ment, finance, and so on. Even as late even go there to find employment or to as last month, or the beginning of this trade and yet we have to dig into our month before the signing of the agree- pockets to develop the country in order ment, Singapore has achieved much to benefit the people in the two Borneo and that was reported in all papers. territories. In other words, here we have The Honourable Prime Minister said got to dig and dig into the earth to get to let us have a big family, make tin and to tap rubber to pay for some- it a success and thank Great Britain for body's benefit and yet cannot get its co-operation. If we are going to have anything out of it. Where is the pros- a big family, then the question of perity for the people of this country? equality must come in; whether equality And what is more? If at all we go has or has not come in is a matter for there, we can go there only on licence us to consider. I know that in the as tourists, to spend money so that they Bill that has been sent to us everything can get more from us in addition to was left intact, particularly Article 8 the $300 million which we are prepared and Article 152. What is Article 8 in to give them. So where is that pros- the Constitution of the Federation of perity for the people of this country? Malaya? It refers to equality. And As I see in the Bill, Sir, only a handful what is Article 152? It refers to educa- of people can go there and who are tion. But before I go further into that, these people? They are the topnotchers I would like to mention that the Prime of the Government or of the ruling Minister has said, "Let us pool our political party. No doubt, much can be resources together for the common achieved and plenty can be got. But good, and enjoy harmony and pros- what about those who have contributed perity." But we must ask ourselves the towards the $300 million as gift to the question as to whether in this Malaysia two territories the ra`ayats? Are they that we are going to adopt, we are going to be left forgotten? That is an going to enjoy harmony and prosperity, important aspect. Singapore refused to or whether it is going to be just a one- give $50 million. They proposed a loan sided affair. That is a very important of $150 million and it was accepted issue. Sir, I say that if concession in with the condition that 50 per cent of economy can be given to other States, the labour force, if necessary, would while we the people in the Federation be taken from Singapore. Look at the have got to be content with what little employment and the trade that the we have and to be given away, I do people of Singapore would enjoy. The not think there is going to be much P.A.P. Government has worked hard harmony and much prosperity. and got so much for the people of 703 12 AUGUST 1963 704
Singapore. But what has the Federation stated in the Constitution have not done Alliance Government done for the a job-a job that requires them to do. people in the Federation? If you work The people have voted them in and out that $150 million loan with 50 per they have failed to carry out this cent labour force at $8 per working pledge. The reason why I am making day cost, it would mean actually about this charge, Sir, is that if we were to several hundred working days. You go back to the Manifesto of the can see how much work will be pro- Alliance Party in the 1959 Parliamen- vided to the people in Singapore and tary Elections on the issue of educa- yet they can recover at the end of the tion-it is stated boldly in this way : period the money that is loaned to the "To review the present Education two territories, whereas in our case, it Policy in the light of experience gained is gone with the wind. It is like rice since its implementation bearing in when eaten it just disappeared back to mind the declared objective of making the land. Malay the National Language while at the same time encouraging and sustain- Now, Singapore has got concession ing the growth of the languages and for education, labour, finance, common cultures of other races." This is one market and, above all, employment for of the pledges of the Alliance Party. her people. But why Singapore should I wonder why they have not carried it necessarily ask for autonomy in educa- out; and it is because they have not tion and labour? There must be very carried it out that the Singapore people, good reasons for it. In our Constitu- knowing that it would not be carried tion, Article 8 provides for equality. out, have asked for autonomy in The Alliance deserves the praise education. That is the whole basic fact because that is supposed to be given to in my own humble submission. all the people who are citizens of the Now, with regard to encouraging the Federation of Malaya. In education, not growth of the other languages, are we only have they agreed to make Malay in fact encouraging the growth of the the National Language, but there is a languages and cultures of the other proviso that the Federation Government races in this country as pledged? I say, or any State Government should pre- Sir, we are not. The Government has serve and sustain the use and study failed the people and failed them of the language of any other commu- miserably, because I know it from facts. nity in the Federation. If Singapore In a certain girls ' school in this town, were to ask and they have got what the capital of the Federation of Malaya, they asked for for autonomy in edu- in 1962 there were 2,000 students; in cation, then it only shows that the 1963 there are 1,700; and in 1964, I Alliance Government has not carried was told , it is going to be 1,400. It is out what was required in Article 152 going to be lesser and lesser every year. of the Constitution of the Federation In my own town in the State of Negeri of Malaya. If it had done so, Singapore Sembilan, they have got 84 Chinese would not have asked for autonomy in classes and, at the rate things are going education and labour. And what is on, I think within a matter of ten years labour? In fact what they have asked you will not find eight classes left. for in labour are the rights of the But, why should it be so? people, and that has been defined in Article 8 of the Constitution of the It has been argued that free educa- Federation of Malaya. If there is tion is being given but that free equality truly practised in the Federa- education , is it encouragement? In tion, Singapore would not have asked what way will it help to encourage the for autonomy in education and labour growth of the languages and cultures and sacrificed a larger number of seats of other races as promised ? The people and be content with only an allocation of other races , who are now citizens in of 15 seats in the Parliament of this country, have accepted making Malaysia. Therefore, Sir, you will see Malay as the National Language, and that those who are responsible to carry it is also taught in all schools. Today, out the implementation of what is Indians, Chinese, Malays and all races 705 12 AUGUST 1963 706 in this august House speak the English fight for the right of the Chinese educa- language. Why? Because when we tion when you have driven four death were young, we were taught to learn nails into the coffin (Applause) and English in the English schools, and you have buried the dead? Only when Chinese and Indian languages were also you have a miracle, then you can bring taught at the same time. This had not it to life. But I say to the M.C.A. that retarded the progress of the country, if the dead is buried, then pray for nor is its development. So, why have reincarnation. There is hope, because the fear when we have accepted Malay Article 152 of the Constitution is still as the national language and when it is there--it has not been repealed. Why taught in all schools. It is a matter of not fight on Article 152? Everybody time when everybody will be speaking will give you support. I won't be here the Malay language. Let us enjoy the to fight you. I will be staying in the same facility and give the same facility house peacefully and will be happy to to the Chinese and Tamil schools. give you my vote. It is because of what There is nothing wrong as education is you have promised the citizens of wisdom; it gives us light. It can bring Chinese origin and not kept the pledge. us anywhere. Our close neighbours All the Chinese in my home town voted two of the biggest countries in the four Indians into the Town Council world are China and India and the they are so fed up with the Chinese time will come when we have got to representation (Laughter) that they trade with them, and it would be better preferred to vote anybody. Who is to to know their languages and to speak be blamed? The M.C.A., my friends them ; otherwise, we will come back over there. However, I think there is empty-handed in case we should go plenty of time yet for them to discuss there to trade with them. We cannot the matter further. Revise the educa- trade with the West forever. East is tion policy and the people will give East and West is West that time will you their support. If you do not, you come. too will go into the coffin, as it had been placed there by Dr Lim Chong Eu Now, Sir, I know the Alliance Party, and my friend over here (indicating and we all know it, is made up of Enche' Too Joon Hing). communal political parties with every- body fighting for his own rights. The Enche' Too Joon Hing (Telok UMNO must fight for the rights of Anson): Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point the Malays-and it is only reasonable ; of order ...... the M.C.A. must fight for the Chinese, and the M.I.C. must fight for the Mr Speaker: On what point of order? Indians. But why has not the M.C.A. (Laughter). done something for the Chinese Enche' Too Joon Hing: The Razak regarding Article 8 and Article 1.52 of Report has no connection with this the Constitution? Who do I say that motion at all. they have not done so? It is because as far back as 1956 they had driven Enche' Chin See Yin: Sir, education a death nail into the Chinese educa- is mentioned in the Cobbold Com- tion, and how was this done? Can we mission's Report. accept the Razak Report as a good one? I say, "No". I say it contains a Mr Speaker: I think it is quite in suicidal note. Clause 12 of the Report order. says that "eventually the Malay language shall be the medium of Enche' Chin See Yin: I am only instruction". Who signed that? Dr Lim bringing the people to see the grave Chong Eu and others as M.C.A. where Chinese education was buried. Representatives one of them is my Mr Speaker: Please proceed! Honourable friend here (Indicates Enche' Too^ Joon fling) (Laughter). Enche' Chin See Yin: Just give me And every time they go to the people, one minute, Sir, I have lost track of they say, "We will fight for the right what I am going to say (Laughter). Yes, of Chinese education". How can you Sir, I was just talking about death 707 12 AUGUST 1963 708 nails. In the Cobbold Commission's On the education issue it is stated as Report even those who were responsible follows : for writing it had stressed the "To work towards the minimum school- importance of education. Therefore. leaving age of 15 years." Sir, if we were to adopt Malaysia and Has this pledge been carried out? it the rice is now cooked nothing can I say that it has not. And why has not be undone. The Agreement has been the M.C.A. done anything towards it? signed and, I think, it is important that In the primary school you are allowed we should review the whole education to be there until you are 12 years of policy again to make things in con- age, and after that you have got to formity with Article 152 of the leave school. Even if you should send Constitution. I say this, Sir, because the children to the continuation school, Article 152 does make one language the you have not brought them up to the medium of education. It does say that, age of 15 years and even at the age "Malay shall be the National of 15 years what can you expect from language" and there it is today. It a boy? further went on to suggest that it will preserve, sustain and encourage the Mr Speaker: How is that relevant? languages and cultures of other Enche' Chin See Yin: The citizens languages in the country. If that is the o Malaysia. (Laughter). Therefore, Sir, case, Sir, then I do not see any wisdom these children, who are the citizens of in trying to suppress the education of Malaysia, at the ages of 12, 13, 14 and the other races in the Chinese schools 15 years, what do you expect them to or in the English schools. do? Now the Government Party will say, Mr Speaker: I must warn you that "Well, it is not our fault ; we have given the motion before the House is to them free education ; but the Chinese endorse the agreement made in London parents still do not want to send their regarding Malaysia. Though the matter children to Chinese schools. They is rather wide, I think you have taken prefer the English schools". It is a too much time on this subject of reason no doubt, but it is only super- education. You should concentrate ficial. But let us look into the inner more on the endorsement of the agree- part--the inside story. I was told that ment on Malaysia. it was due to the examination required Enche' Chin See Yin : Sir, I have got by the Government that the parents to touch on this matter for a while, thought things over and decided to,send because in Malaysia the question of their children to the English schools. economy comes into being, and edu- They say, "If you study Chinese arid cation plays an important role in yet have to take your examination in bringing up good citizens in Malaysia-- Malay, in what way is it correlated?" and that is why education is very That fact is known to everybody. In important. Any way I will not touch the Chinese schools you study Chinese on it now. and Malay as the National language is being taught-and English too. as Now, Sir, I go on to the question of another language, is taught. But should rights. On the question of rights, as I you pass the tests in Chinese and in see it, the P.A.P. Government has English, but should fail in Malay you fought very hard and it has been will not be promoted. That is why in promised autonomy in labour. Labour the examination for entrance to the is not in reality just the interpretation secondary schools so many children of the word "labour"; it is also the have been thrown into the streets ; and. question of rights rights in employ- yet nothing has been done by the ment and rights in trade. Here in the Alliance Party to assist in the matter, Federation we contribute $300 million though in its manifesto for the Parlia- for developing the two territories. mentary Elections in 1959, the Alliance We are not given the right to go there, promised the people that it would make although it has been suggested that we the minimum school leaving age as will be one big family and that we are 15 and this is how it was written. going to pool our resources together 709 12 AUGUST 1963 710
for the common good. But it appears I think, if the Government were to to me that the good is only one-sided---- ask the House to pass a Bill for more it is for the people of Borneo and Singa- money for defence, we should refer this pore but not the people of the Federa- to the British Government or is it tion. For Singapore is has been suggested the East India Company which will be that the question of the four-to-one soon known as the Malaysia Company? ratio will not be adopted. I was I think that this is only fair since they enlightened that the four-to-one ratio are the traders and will make all the in the Federation does not necessarily money from the Borneo territories refer to all employment but only in instead of we the Federal Citizens the Malayan Civil Service. But, Sir, having to foot the bill. unfortunately this ratio has now been. applied, I was told, to the lower ranks. Sir, another point is that it has been This is an unfortunate affair, and I suggested that it is very likely that the hope that something will be done to Malaysia celebrations scheduled for the rectify this. I am only asking the 31st August will be postponed as a Government to reconsider the whole result of the Summit Meeting in aspect of the requirements in Article Manila. Sir, I want to know why was 8 and Article 152 of the Constitution there any necessity for our Government, of the Federation of Malaya. for the Honourable the Prime Minister, to attend this Summit Meeting. The Sir, I have already pointed out the Philippines Government are claiming question of inequality in that the North Borneo from the British. The Alliance Party has not fulfilled its Indonesians are claiming a portion of pledge as regards the rights of citizens the Borneo territory. All these have of the Federation of Malaya and also nothing to do with us. Why are we in the implementation of Article 152 making ourselves responsible for some- of the Constitution which has not been body's problem, and as a result of carried out properly. For that reason which we have got to spend a lot of I ask that the Government makes an money and this money is from the announcement that something will be Federal Treasury, and the ra`ayats and done towards appointing another Com- everybody contribute towards it. What mittee to review the education policy, is the necessity? As a result, we have because the subject of education is now created a new nation called stated not only in the State of the Maphilindo. That Maphilindo is a very Federation of Malaya but it is also troublesome creature and it may turn stated in Singapore and in the two into a monster, as somebody has Borneo territories. If autonomy can be suggested the creation of Greater given to Singapore, then something is Malaysia to my mind, I think, Greater wrong somewhere regarding the imple- Malaysia and Maphilindo are one mentation of these two Articles of the and the same. To my mind it is going Constitution, and I ask the Government to create a lot of misunderstanding, to be more serious about this and try a lot of fear and a lot of suspicion. to fulfil its pledges to the people. I would like the Government to clarify Now, Sir, with regard to the forma- than point so that the people will know tion of Malaysia, I think the Federation the difference between Maphilindo has been made to carry the baby which and Greater Malaysia or are we is in reality the responsibility of the going to create Maphilindo instead British Government, because we have of Greater Malaysia? That is the point got to foot the bill in order to provide which I have read in the newspapers protection to the two Borneo territories. where the M.C.A. has tried to explain We have got to enlarge our Navy, our this to the citizens of Chinese origin. Air Force, and Land Forces, and Police If there is no fear, if there is no and what-nots. We are made to pay suspicion, what is the necessity to for something which the British Govern- explain this through the medium of the ment is responsible for, and yet they press? There must be something brew- are enjoying the same facilities, they ing in the air. If not, what is the are enjoying benefits at our expense. necessity? 711 12 AUGUST 1963 712
Sir, before I conclude, I would like dengan sa-bulat suara memberi mandat to say that I accept. Malaysia in kapada Yang Amat Berhormat itu. Dan principle, but not the type of Malaysia dengan ada-nya mandat itu berma`ana- proposed by the Alliance Government, lah Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana provided the Government makes Menteri mendapat keperchayaan penoh arrangements to rectify the points bukan sahaja daripada parti-nya bah- raised, in order that the citizens of the kan daripada pehak Pembangkang. Federation will enjoy equality in Malaysia. The citizens I refer to are Berkenaan dengan perkara ini tidak not of one race but of all races who ada tersebut dalam manifesto, saya have made this country of Malaysia ingin menarek perhatian, khas-nya their home. Yang Berhormat dari Bachok, manifesto tahun 1959. Yang pertama Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe- Perlerbagaan, is-itu "menjaga dan rang Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya memelihara Perlembagaan Persekutuan bangun menyokong dengan sa-penoh2- Tanah Melayu. Maka akan menjadi nya usul yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang asas yang utama kapada dasar untok Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri. terus memelihara Kerajaan yang adil Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengambil dan tegoh". Di-dalam Article 2 dalam peluang ini menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 Perlembagaan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tahniah kapada Yang Amat Berhormat ada di-sebutkan P'erdana Menteri yang telah pun ber- "Parliament may by law- jaya dengan sa-penoh2-nya menjalankan tugas dengan bijaksana bagi rneng- (a) admit other States to the Federa- tion". hasilkan chita2 yang kita telah menyerahkan mandat untok menjaya- Jadi ini berma`ana bahawa penuboh- kan penchiptaan Malaysia itu. Tuan an Malaysia ini memang ada terchatit Yang di-Pertua, ada sa-tengah pehak di-dalam Perlembagaan kita yang Pembangkang telah mengatakan bahawa membolehkan Parlimen atau Kerajaan Kerajaan Perikatan tidak dapat mandat yang berkuasa memasokkan mana2 dan tidak dapat tugas yang sa-penoh- negeri yang suka berchantum dengan nya untok melaksanakan Malaysia dan negara kita yang di-sebut Malaysia tidak ada tersebut dalam manifesto sekarang ini. Saya menarek perhatian Parti Perikatan dalam Pilehan Raya berkenaan dengan dasar luar negeri tahun 1959 dahulu. Tuan Yang di- dalam manifesto ini. Dalam muka 18 Pertua, untok menghilangkan keraguan dalam manifesto ini menyebutkan : daripada, pehak2 yang kurang faham Dasar luar negeri. "Asas2 utama ka- di-atas perkara ini, khas-nya pehak pada dasar perhubongan antara bangsa. parti Pembangkang yang mana pada Yang pertama menegakkan Piagam pagi tadi saya telah dengar Yang Bangsa2 Bersatu. Menolong bangsa2 Berhormat dari Bachok mengatakan yang terjajah untok menchapai ke- Kerajaan tidak ada mandat, Kerajaan merdekaan dan kedaulatan yang patut letak jawatan dan mengadakan sa-penoh-nya. mi ada-lah janji dari- Pilehan Raya sa-mula. Tuan Yang di- pada pehak Parti Perikatan menolong Pertua, saya ingin menarek perhatian bangsa2 yang terjajah. Memang-lah Yang Berhormat dari Bachok. Yang sikap parti kita mengambil langkah pertama perkara mandat ini sa- untok membentok Malaysia is-lah ber- bagaimana yang telah di-terangkan pandukan kapada manifesto kita. Yang oleh Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana kedua berbaik2 dengan segala negara Menteri telah pun di-beri is-itu pada yang bersahabat dengan bersunggoh2 18hb Oktober, 1961. Dewan ini telah mengadakan dan menguatkan pertalian pun membahathkan usul supaya di- ekonomi dan kebudayaan dengan beri mandat kapada Yang Amat mereka. Maka oleh sebab ltu di- Berhormat Perdana Menteri untok tubohkan negara, Malaysia sebab menubohkan Malaysia. Saya nampak Kerajaan kita memandang berat di-atas manakala di-minta persetujuan tentang hal keselamatan negara kita, di-atas hal usul itu sa-telah di-bahathkan beberapa baik sangka di-antara kita dengan lama boleh di-katakan semua Ahli negara tetangga dan di-atas chara dalam Dewan ini telah bersetuju memperkuatkan dan mempereuatkan 713 12 AUGUST 1963 714 persahabatan, maka sebab itu-lah Yang dan kebudayaan di-antara negara2 Asia Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri Tenggara sa-lain daripada per- telah pun pergi ka-Persidangan hubongan2 yang di-buat dan di- Kemunchak untok menchapai satu persetujukan oleh dua belah pehak, persetujuan yang di-namakan Maphi- kerana maksud2 yang tertentu di-antara lindo. Ini ada-lah berpandukan kapada mereka. Perikatan akan berusaha untok manifesto kita juga. Perkara me- menuju kapada perkembangan ikatan2 melihara kerja-sama yang rapat dengan yang lebeh rapat di-antara orange segala negara yang bersahabat ; itu Malaysia dalam kawasan mi. termasok-lah sa-bagaimana yang saya Tahun 1959 dahulu sudah ada per- sebutkan tadi. Yang ketiga memberi kataan Malaysia itu, bukan baharu, sumbangan dengan sa-berapa yang maka sebab itu-lah Perikatan memper- boleh kapada usaha menggalakkan dan juangkan is-itu untok hendak me- memelihara keamanan dan kema- nubohkan negara baharu yang di- `amoran dunia. Jadi, dengan ada-nya sebutkan negara Malaysia. Tuan Yang berbaik sangka di-antara negara di-Pertua, perjanjian ini ada-lah tetangga ini, maka dengan sendiri-nya mengenai khas-nya bagi keselamatan kita memberi sumbangan untok ke- amanan dunia. Sa-lain daripada itu di- negara. Tadi ada pehak Pembangkang mengatakan bahawa kalau-fah ada dalam muka 9 perenggan 2 tentera2 asing dalam sa-sabuah negara pen ja jahan. Perikatan mengutok pen- jajahan dalam sa-barang chara atau itu berma`ana-lah negara itu tidak ber- rupa. Perikatan akan menyokong daulat dengan sa-penoh-nya, dan bagi dengan chergas mereka yang berjuang kita yang hendak membelanjakan kerana kemerdekaan dengan chara wang untok pertahanan itu ada-lah yang aman. Jadi negeri2 Singapura, membadzir sahaja. Saya ingin menarek Sarawak dan Sabah telah pun berusaha perhatian pehak Pembangkang is-itu dengan sa-penoh untok membebaskan tentera2 asing yang ada dalam negerii negeri mereka itu daripada penjajah kita ini is-lah tentera2 Commonwealth British. Kita akan mengutok sikap yang negara-nya ada membuat per- mana2 Kerajaan penjajah, dan kita janjian pertahanan dengan negara kita. akan beri sokongan penoh untok Perjanjian Pertahanan untok mem- mereka itu dapat di-bebaskan, dan bantu di-antara satu dengan lain, jika Alhamdulillah, dengan kerja-sama dan ada perkara2 kechemasan, saperti dengan ikhtiar daripada Yang Amat dharurat atau pun anchaman2 dari luar. Berhormat Perdana Menteri, maka Di-tempat saya is-itu Butterworth, ada mereka itu akan di-bebaskan sa- sate pengkalan terbang R.A.A.F. di- bagaimana yang di-tetapkan is-itu pada sana ada lebeh kurang 20,000 orang 31 haribulan Ogos mi. Jadi, Tuan Yang pekerja2 daripada warga negara kita di-Pertua, saya ta' nampak-lah tudohan2 sendiri yang beker ja dengan tentera2 yang di-tujukan kapada Kerajaan R.A.A.F. Ada yang bekerja sa-bagai Perikatan yang mengatakan bahawa kerani, ada yang bekerja sa-bagai ahli2 kita tidak dapat mandate dan kita tidak teknik, ada yang bekerj a sa-bagai buroh berjanji dengan pengundi2 untok hendak kasar, ada yang bekerja sa-bagai amah, menubohkan Malaysia. ada yang bekerja sa-bagai driver dan lain2 lagi di-Butterworth dan Pulau Lagi satu perkara, Tuan Yang di- Pinang. Chuba-lah kita fikir 20,000 Pertua, saya ingin menegaskan lagi orang pekerja2 kalau di-hetong panjang berkenaan dengan perjanjian kita ini sa-orang pekerja mendapat $100 satu is-itu di-sini menyebutkan berkenaan bulan, berma`ana dua juta ringgit di- dengan satu perkara yang berthab_it de- bawa daripada luar negeri masok ka- ngan Asia Tenggara. Perikatan akan dalam negeri kita pada satu bulan. terus mengambil langkah2 yang tegas Ini ada-lah memberi sara hidup kapada untok berusaha mendatangkan ke- orange kita di-sini. Semua-nya ini bukan majuan dan ketegohan dalam lapangan2 duit kita sendiri, tetapi datang-nya ekonomi, masharakat dan politik bagi duit2 itu dari Kerajaan luar negeri. Jadi, kawasan mi. Untok menchapai tujuan saya berharap kapada pehak Pembang- ini, maka ada-lah di-chubai hendak kang supaya berfikir panjang dalam mengadakan satu perhubongan ekonomi perkara mi. 715 12 AUGUST 1963 716
Sa-lain daripada itu, mereka terpaksa negara terancham, maka pehak2 Pem- juga menyewa rumah yang belanja-nya bangkang terus menyokong penoh berjuta2 ringgit. Semua-nya ini ter- segala tindakan dan langkah yang di- pulang kapada kita. Sa-kira-nya ten- ambil oleh Kerajaan. Mereka bersatu tera2 Commonwealth tidak ada dalam tegoh untok menjaga keselamatan negara kita ini, boleh-kah kita tamat- negara-nya yang di-chintai itu. Jadi, kan dharurat pada 31 haribulan Julai, saya merayu kapada pehak2 Pembang- 1960 dahulu? Mustahil bagi kita. kang supaya mereka itu berfikir dengan Sumbangan pertahanan daripada pehak tenang dan j angan mudah terpengaroh tentera2 Commonwealth patut kita dengan pengaroh2 yang akan menjadi- berasa megah, kerana sumbangan itu kan negara kita ini sa-bagai sa-buah kita perjuangkan sa-lama 12 tahun negeri yang kuchar-kachir, sa-buah yang mana kita terpaksa berbelanja sa- negeri yang tidak aman, dan dengan banyak $ 300,000 dalam satu hari. yang demikian harus-lah kita akan me- Alhamdulillah dengan ada-nya tentera2 nerima apa juga akibat2-nya barang di- itu negara kita selamat dan kita boleh jauhkan Tuhan daripada terjadi per- hidup dengan aman dan damai, dan kara2 yang tidak di-ingini itu. wang untok pertahanan itu di-gunakan Sekian-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok pembangunan negara. Semua-nya terima kaseh. ini mendatangkan faedah kapada kita. Dan di-dalam perjanjian itu memang- Enche' Tan Phack Kin: Mr Speaker, lah di-tetapkan untok pengkalan2 itu Sir, when the Honouarble Prime Minis- di-gunakan, mereka tidak boleh guna- ter spoke this morning, one could not kan dengan sa-suka hati mereka, help feeling that either he was trying melainkan dengan persetujuan daripada to hide all the facts from this House kita. Saya suka menarek perhatian or he was really being mislead about pehak Pembangkang is-itu saya tahu actual conditions in the Borneo terri- mithal-nya negara Jepon, pertahanan tories, in Singapore and in this country negara-nya ada-lah di-tanggong oleh today. The Prime Minister this morning Amerika Sharikat. Wang untok per- appeared like an artist painting a tahanan bagi negeri-nya tidak di-belan- picture and, like an artist, he allowed j akan dengan bagitu banyak, oleh sebab his emotions to get the better of him. itu dalam masa 17 tahun sahaja sa-lepas He painted a picture not of what really perang dunia yang kedua ini, negara those territories are today but of what Jepon telah menjadi sa-buah negara he wanted, and he hoped that by doing yang chukup maju dalam Asia ini, dan so he would be able to mislead this ini termasok juga dalam hale per- House into believing that these are kapalan, letrek dan berbagai2 lagi. actually the facts. He painted a very Negara Jepon telah maju di-dalam rosy picture. He tried to tell us that dunia ini dalam tempoh 17 tahun, as far as the Borneo territories are kerana wang untok pertahanan negara- concerned, Malaya is trying to do nya ta' payah di-gunakan, kerana ada something good for them. He went on negara atau pakatan yang berasingan to say : yang bersetuju untok mengawal dan . to survive the stresses and strains menjaga keselamatan negeri-nya itu. facing any new emerging nation in the 20th Oleh itu, saya berharap-lah kapada century and to chart our destiny for the future, ensuring to the country peace and pehak Pembangkang supaya memikir- stability, and to the people harmony and kan sa-mula di-atas usul ini dengan prosperity, with each man and woman fikiran yang waras dan mensifatkan enjoying at least the basic needs of modern diri-nya sa-bagai. warga negara yang society." tulin, dan memikirkan masaalah ini These are very laudable objectives. But bagi kepentingan negara lebeh daripada let us look at the proposals as far as kepentingan sendiri. the Agreement is concerned. What are the people in Singapore going to get Sa-bagaimana yang kita tahu bahawa from this arrangement; similarly, the sikap atau pendirian parti2 Pembang- people in the Borneo territories as well kang di-India manakala timbul perkara as the people in this country? Are we kepentingan negara atau keselamatan able to promise them all the things 717 12 AUGUST 1963 718 said in the speech? Are they really based on this very important require- going to live in peace and harmony, or ment. If we do not have that, I am are they not going to have all these afraid we are paving the way for dis- things? We must realise that the basic unity and further division. The Prime requirement of a peaceful and harmo- Minister pointed out that one of the nious society, the pre-requisite of such a reasons for having Malaysia is the fear society, depends on a very simple of communist infiltration, and the fear concept the concept of equality. One that eventually we may lose our must feel that as a citizen of the new national independence and our freedom. Malaysian territory, one enjoys the I must point out that the absence of same rights and privileges as other this fundamental pre-requisite will citizens in the territory. That, I main- actually give grounds to communists tain, is the fundamental requirement; capitalizing on this particular issue. and I feel, Sir, that the Prime Minister If we are going to have a genuine knows fully well that he is not giving Malaysian nation, we must see to it this basic requirement to all the citizens that there is no dissatisfaction, because of the new Federation of Malaysia. dissatisfaction will lead to hatred and As a matter of fact, people in certain hatred is being used, as we are all territories in the Federation of Malay- aware, by people to engineer revolu- sia are being discriminated against. Not tions and things like that. So, I say being satisfied with that, he went on here, Sir, that what the Prime Minister and agreed to various financial arrange- has said on the concept of a new nation ments. So, apart from political whereby everybody will enjoy the basic inequality, we also visualise some needs of modern society is merely lip economic inequality. We must realise service and in practice, in accordance that once we go to the extent of dis- with the proposition that is being put crimination in order to achieve our forward here, will result more in dis- objectives, we are playing right into the integration than in integration. I must hands of people whom we say are point out here, Sir, that apart from going to destroy the emergence of a political and economic disunity, we new Malaysian nationality. If the new have also seen that, as far as matters Malaysian nationality is not going to pertaining to education and other be based on the concept of equality, matters, there is also this division. And then I say, Sir, that we ourselves are I say, Sir, that unless and until the paving the way towards final destruc- people of the new Federation can have tion of the neW Federation, because, as the opportunity of enjoying equal time goes on, there is bound to be rights and privileges, the talk of a new dissatisfaction. There will be dissatis- nation is merely a dream. faction on a regional basis; there will be dissatisfaction on a racial basis; I must say here, Sir, that it is very there will be dissatisfaction on various well for the Honourable Prime Minister grounds between the "haves and the to say that those who oppose the new "have-nots" and all that. This will not Federation of Malaysia are either com- only give rise to dissatisfaction between munists or communist-inspired. He the new territories and the present said so without any grounds to sub- States in the Federation of Malaya the stantiate that statement. I am pointing present arrangement, I am afraid, will out here, Sir, that people who are also give rise to dissatisfaction among opposed to communism do oppose the the existing States in the Federation new Federation for the reasons just of Malaya. If, for example, a certain enunciated by myself. We have pointed new State in the new Federation is out that unless and until this very entitled to certain privileges, then fundamental anomaly is being reme- naturally some old States will demand died, the Federation Government can for similar privileges. So, I say, Sir, never dream of building a nation in the basic requirement must first of all the manner envisaged by the Prime be fulfilled before we can ever dream Minister. It is also a matter of regret of unification. Unification must be that the Prime Minister should tell this 719 12 AUGUST 1963 720
House that the question of self-determi- people at the Consultative Committee nation as far as the Borneo territories can actually be said to be representa- are concerned is more or less a matter tive of the people in Borneo. To of agreement. I feel, Sir, that in trying continue this argument further , he went to give substance to his statement the on to tell this House that the recent Honourable the Prime Minister took elections in the Borneo territories were great pains to tell us, as far as consul- fought on the issue of Malaysia, and tations with the people of the Borneo that the Alliance Party the Pro- territories are concerned, of the many Malaysia Party had won an over- meetings which were held by the Con- whelming majority at these particular sultative Committee at which represen- elections . But I must ask the Honour- tatives of the people of the Borneo able the Prime Minister whether the territories were present. I would like to elections were conducted under normal ask the Honourable the Prime Minister political circumstances. Is it not a fact who are these so-called representatives that the leaders of political parties of the Borneo territories? Are they were being detained a few weeks prior the elected representatives of the to these elections and a lot of pressure Borneo territories, or are they the was being put on the people? So, I nominated representatives of the say here, Sir, that we do not accept Borneo territories? the elections as a testimony of support for Malaysia, because the elections were I must remind the Honourable the not being held under normal cir- Prime Minister, or, perhaps, I must cumstances-they were being held refresh his memory that we have in under threat of detention, and there this country a very close similarity. In was actual detention of the political the years prior to the achievement of leaders. So, how can you expect the Independence we had, in fact, the people in the Borneo territories to British Government telling the whole vote freely if you have this threat? So, world that the representatives of the I say here, Sir, that it is wrong to say people at that time agreed that elec- and there is no reason whatsoever for tions need not be held on Merdeka the Honourable the Prime Minister to year full elections in 1957. It was a say it that as far as the question of proposal agreed to by the then Chief self-determination is concerned he is Minister of the Federation of Malaya, satisfied that the Borneo people are whom the British Government pro- all in agreement. claimed to be a representative of the people of Malaya, and the first person I now come to Singapore. The to oppose that was none other than Honourable the Prime Minister talked the Honourable the Prime Minister about referendum. Surely, the Honour- his argument was that the Honourable able the Prime Minister is not so naive the late Data' Onn was not elected by as to believe that the referendum held the people but that he was nominated, in Singapore was a genuine referendum and as such he could not be considered to determine the wishes of the people as a representative of the people. So, of Singapore as to whether to join how can the Honourable the Prime Malaysia or otherwise? The Honour- Minister today tell this House that he able the Prime Minister is aware, and is having consultations with the the whole world is aware, that the representatives of the people of the referendum was a fiasco. The people of Borneo territories? I fail to see the Singapore were not asked whether; they logic of his argument. Perhaps his wanted to join Malaysia or otherwise : viewpoint has changed in the few years they were asked to determine what type after Independence, or that he is saying of Malaysia they wanted. So the people things to suit his purpose. But the fact of Singapore were in no position to remains that as far as Members of the say that they did not want Malaysia. Opposition are concerned, as far as the They had to make a choice it was a people of this country are concerned, Hobson's choice. Here, Sir, is a very we cannot accept the fact that the vital matter to which this House must so-called representatives of the Borneo give very serious consideration. 721 12 AUGUST 1963 722
Thirdly, in regard to this country, in particular, to consider seriously. the Honourable the Prime Minister Legally it may be possible for the tries to convince us that, as far as the Alliance to force the issue through, Federation of Malaya is concerned, the but will it bring forth a Malaysia as matter has been debated in this House envisaged by the Honourable the and that it has the support of the Prime Minister, or will it bring forth a majority in this House. But I must Malaysia that will be full of chaos? point this out to the Honourable the It is very well to force things on Prime Minister whether the majority people, but we must realise that in a in this House, that is the Alliance parliamentary democracy, in any form Party, has a mandate from the people of government, we must have the to establish Malaysia. When the general support of the people. Unless Alliance went to the people at the last we have that support, it is impossible elections, they pledged above every- to rule and not to say to rule peace- thing to uphold the Constitution and fully. Perhaps, the Alliance is thinking the Prime Minister is quite aware that of ruling the country forcefully but not to admit new states in Malaysia and peacefully, but that is contrary to what to make the provisions which he has the Prime Minister has enunciated. It is in mind, it is necessary to amend the my contention that if we are going to Constitution, to amend it to such an build a new nation Malaysia a extent that it may be beyond recogni- nation free and equal, then we must tion to the people, who read the take into consideration all those factors Constitution at the time the Alliance enunciated. Party went to the polls. I say here, Sir, that this is an act of political Sir, I have demonstrated to this dishonesty. The Alliance talks of House the false picture which the upholding parliamentary democracy Prime Minister has painted about the and the least they can do will be to new Federation of Malaysia. But, practice the elementary principles of perhaps, the most important feature, parliamentary democracy. It has talked or the most important consideration, of adhering to the British system of which this House will have to consider parliamentary democracy, but in is in respect of the views of our neigh- practice it has failed dismally to carry bouring countries. The Prime Minister out that pledge. Later on the Honour- has taken great pains to see to it that able the Prime Minister, perhaps to some form of agreement is being demonstrate to the House that the reached with our neighbours, namely Alliance has the support of the people, Indonesia and the Philippines, with went on to say that at the recent Town regard to the formation of Malaysia. Council Elections it won overwhelm- The Prime Minister then went on to ing support. However, Sir, the say that it would be a pity to prejudice Honourable the Prime Minister in his the future of Malaysia by taking an enthusiasm over the results of the uncompromising attitude in this matter recent Town Council Elections failed and so as a result of this he had to analyse the figures very closely. If agreed to a team from the United he were to analyse the figures for the Nations to make a survey of the views Town Council Elections very closely, of the people in the Borneo territories. he would have discovered that the That is merely one aspect of the Opposition Parties polled more votes matter. Sir, I would like to ask the than the Alliance. Prime Minister whether, by the adop- Enche' V. Veerappen: Hear, hear! tion of this motion in endorsing the Agreement reached in London, would Enche' Tan Phock Kin: So , that is a it not be an act of prejudgment on the testimony that the majority of the outcome of the findings of the United people is against the Alliance and Nations in the Borneo territories. What against the policy as practised by the will be the reaction of the Government, Alliance, and against Malaysia as should the United Nations in the such. These are facts which I would course of investigation say that the like this House and the Government, people in the Borneo territories are 723 12 AUGUST 1963 724
not in favour of Malaysia? In the Mr Speaker: This motion is amended course of his speech, it appears to me now by the Honourable Member for that the Prime Minister feels confident Tanjong by deleting the words "hereby that the United Nations will agree that endorses that agreement" and substitut- the Borneo people are all in support of ing therefor the words, "is not yet Malaysia. And should the United ascertained, hereby defers the endorse- Nations express the view that in their ment of that agreement." The amend- opinion the people of the Borneo ment is open to debate. territories are not in favour of Malaysia, I say that the passing of the motion Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji today will give the impression that the Muda: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya whole affair of sending a team of the berdiri pada petang ini is-lah bagi United Nations is merely a farce and menyokong pindaan yang di-kemuka- that the Government is determined to kan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari have Malaysia irrespective of what the Tanjong. Memandang kapada uchapan United Nations have to say on this yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Amat particular question. This, Sir, is one Berhormat Perdana Menteri pada pagi aspect of the problem. tadi dengan mengatakan bahawa per- setujuan Manila telah mengambil kata Sir, the other aspect of the problem sa-pakat is-itu meminta Setia-Usaha is what will be the reaction of Indone- Agong Pertubohan Bangsa2 Bersatu, sia, and what will be the reaction of atau wakil-nya untok meninjau ke- the Philippines on this particular issue? mahuan ra`ayat di-Sabah dan Sarawak The mere adoption of this motion will untok mengetahui kehendak2 ra`ayat give rise, I submit, to suspicion of the di-sana dalam soal memasoki Malaysia. intention of the Federation Govern- Kata Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku ment, and the integrity of the Federa- Perdana Menteri tadi, sunggoh pun tion Government. The Prime Minister kita telah berpuas hati di-atas hasil2 of this country has already been daripada pilehan raya yang di-adakan accused by the Indonesian President baharu2 ini di-wilayah2 itu, tetapi kita of having gone back on his words. terpaksa-lah menghormati negara te- What will be the reaction after this tangga kita is-itu Indonesia dan particular motion has been adopted? Philipina supaya dapat-lah di-kekalkan If the Prime Minister is sincere about keamanan dalam negeri2 di-sabelah sini. his statement delivered to this House Akan tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, this morning that we are going to pada pagi ini Yang Amat Berhormat have understanding with our neigh- Perdana Menteri telah meminta perse- bours, then I submit that he must tujuan daripada Rumah ini bagi di- agree to an amendment of this motion sahkan perjanjian di-London itu, dan which I propose to move here. ini pada fahaman saya ada-lah men- I propose, Sir, to move the following dahulu kehendak2 keputusan yang di- amendment : persetujui di-Manila itu. Boleh jadi dan Delete the words "hereby endorses that besar kemungkinan, barangkali sa- agreement" at the end, and insert in place sudah penyiasatan di-lakukan dengan thereof the words "is not yet ascertained, apa chara yang akan di-lakukan oleh hereby defers the endorsement of that agree- Setia-Usaha Agong Bangsa2 Bersatu, ment." atau wakil-nya di-dapati bahawa tidak The amended motion will then read ada persetujuan daripada ra`ayat Sabah as follows : dan Sarawak untok memasoki Malay- "That this House, noting the desire of the sia, maka clang-kah malu-nya kita people of North Borneo, Sarawak and Singa- dengan usul yang di-kemukakan oleh pore to be federated in Malaysia with the Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Men- existing States of the Federation in accord- ance with the agreement signed in London teri pada pagi tadi. Usul telah men- on 9th July, 1963, is not yet ascertained, dahului kehendak persetujuan bersama, hereby defers the endorsement of that agree- kata-lah kita memberi persetujuan ment." untok menerima usul Yang Teramat Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Muda Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri itu, (Pasir Puteh): Saya menyokong. sedangkan sa-bulan Iagi keputusan 725 12 AUGUST 1963 726 penyiasatan yang di-lakukan oleh wakil yang sedang bersidang hari ini is-itu Setia-Usaha Agong Bangsa2 Bersatu dengan erti-kata yang lain bahawa mengenai hasrat ra`ayat Sabah dan tidak-lah kena usul yang di-kemuka- Sarawak itu ada-lah kebalikkan dari- kan oleh Yang Amat Berhormat pada kehendak usul yang di-kemukakan Perdana Menteri pada pagi ini, jika pada pagi tadi. Jadi, nampak-lah pada di-bandingkan dengan apa2 keputusan kita bahawa usul yang di-kemukakan yang di-chapai di-Manila itu. pada pagi ini ada semangat tidak jujur di-dalam-nya dalam menghadapi per- Tuan Yang di-Pertua dalam ke- setujuan di-Manila itu yang telah ber- nyataan Perdana Menteri pada pagi lansong baharu2 mi. tadi telah menyatakan bahawa Malay- sia yang di-chadangkan ini ada-lah sa- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita sa-bagai bagai satu benteng yang kuat untok satu bangsa yang merdeka mesti-lah menentang Komunis, tetapi pendapat menghormati keputusan yang telah di- ini tidak logic, sebab Komunis itu chapai di-Manila itu dan dengan ada- bukan datang daripada luar, tetapi nya pengakuan daripada Yang Ter- datang dari dalam negeri ini sendiri. amat Mulia ...... Sejarah telah menunjokkan bahawa Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini pernah berperang dengan Komunis, tetapi (Seberang Tengah): On a point of order, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, S.O. 31 bukan Komunis yang datang dari (1). Say a berpendapat, Tuan Yang di- luar, bahkan Komunis yang hidup Pertua, sa-suatu pindaan, atau usul berkembang di-dalam hawa dan mengikut S.O. 31(1) ini, jika pindaan udara negeri ini sendiri . . . . itu berkaitan dengan usul ini, pada Mr Speaker: Kita sekarang sedang pendapat saya, pindaan yang di-buat membahathkan pindaan ini sahaja. oleh. Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Tan- Kita belum lagi membahathkan usul jong itu ada-lah berlawanan. Jadi, yang asal, kerana bila sudah habis saya perchaya memadai-lah Ahli Yang membahathkan soal pindaan itu, usul Berhormat itu membangkang terus asal akan di-teruskan balek. Usul dan ta' payah membuat pindaan. pindaan di-hadapan Majlis ini is-itu Mr Speaker: Saya telah beri ruling oleh sebab belum lagi mendapat ke- dan telah menerima pindaan itu. Please putusan dari Bangsa2 Bersatu di-sana, proceed. maka patut-lah persetujuan itu di- tempohkan had itu saya benarkan Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji sekarang ini untok di-bahathkan dalam Muda: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagai Majlis ini, kerana sa-lepas daripada itu sa-buah negara yang merdeka dan ber- kita terpaksa berbalek kapada usul daulat, kita, pertama-nya, bagi pehak asal yang akan meliputi semua sekali Perdana Menteri sendiri mesti-lah dan Ahli2 yang berchakap dalam pin- menghormati keputusan di-Manila itu daan ini ada hak pula berchakap dan bagaimana pengakuan Perdana dalam usul asal, melainkan Ahli Yang Menteri sendiri pada pagi tadi Berhormat itu sudah berchakap tadi mengakui hendak berbaik2 dengan jiran terlebeh dahulu daripada di-kemuka- tetangga, dan memang keputusan di- kan pindaan mi. Manila itu memutuskan supaya Setia- Usaha Agong, atau wakil-nya itu pergi Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji menyiasat akan kehendak2 ra`ayat Muda: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh Sabah dan Sarawak itu. Mengikut kerana kedudokan dan keadaan bagi semangat Perdana Menteri is-lah di- persetujuan ra`ayat2 di-Sabah dan dasarkan kapada kehendak berbaik2 Sarawak itu belum dapat di-tentukan dengan jiran tetangga, is-itu perjanjian lagi, sa-hingga U Thant atau wakil-nya yang tidak mahu merosakkan keadaan meninjau di-sana, maka kita di-Tanah di-Asia Tenggara mi. Jadi, Tuan Yang Melayu pun ada-lah mempunyai di-Pertua, semangat Perdana Menteri peluang bagi memberi kapada ra`ayat2 kita menghadhiri sidang kemunchak di-sana untok mengkaji dan melanjut- di-Manila itu patut-lah juga di-hidup- kan perkara ini sambil kita menunggu, kan terus sampai kapada Dewan kita apa-kah hasil daripada keputusan yang 727 12 AUGUST 1963 728 akan di-laksanakan oleh wakil Setia- the future peace and security of this Usaha Agong Bangsa2 Bersatu itu. region free from restrictions and inter- ference of outside powers, and thirdly, Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana that there is an abundant source of Menteri pada pagi tadi telah menyata- goodwill among the three countries kan bahawa sa-tiap bangsa yang kechil arising out of our cultural and economic itu pada masa ini hendak-lah menjadi ties and of friendliness. We therefore bangsa yang besar supaya terjaga support the outcome of the Manila keselamatan-nya, tetapi apabila Map- Accord, in which our Prime Minister hilindo telah di-bahathkan, elok-lah exhibited his generosity in accommo- Perdana Menteri memikirkan keadaan dating the wills of our neighbours. The itu, sebab tidak akan sudah dengan Manila Accord, which makes provi- kita hidup bersama dengan bagitu sion for ascertainment by an inde- banyak-nya orange asing yang tinggal pendent source of the wishes of the di-dalam negeri ini daripada orange people of Sarawak and North Borneo kita sendiri. Jadi untok menyelamat- as to their entry into the Federation of kan keadaan ini, maka perlu-lah asas Malaysia, has therefore at the present persetujuan Manila atau tujuan Map- moment removed confrontation from hilindo itu di-hormati oleh Perdana Indonesia. Menteri kita dan oleh Dewan yang mulia ini, maka penting-lah perjanjian The Prime Minister: On a point of di-London itu di-tanggohkan sa-hingga clarification, I would like to inform the perkembangan politik membolehkan Honourable Member and the House kita membuat ranchangan yang lebeh that the Accord is not to assess the balk bagi negeri ini sendiri. views of the people as to whether they want or they do not want Malaysia. Enche' Too Joon Hing: Mr Speaker, I would like to make it clear that the Sir, I rise to support the amendment Accord set out, if I remember correctly, moved by the Honourable Member four matters for the Secretary-General from Tanjong that the London Agree- of the United Nations to find out in ment signed on the 9th of July, 1963, his personal capacity : (i) whether should now be deferred for endorse- Malaysia was one of the major issues ment until the ascertainment of the in the recent elections held in Sabah wishes of Borneo people has been and Sarawak; (ii) whether the electoral obtained by the independent repre- registers were properly compiled; (iii) sentatives of the United Nations. whether the elections were free and Sir, the U.D.P. and the Opposition whether there was coercion; and (iv) Parties in this House have always whether votes were properly polled maintained that our country, though and properly counted. These are the small it may be, should always try to matters which the United Nations maintain friendly terms with our Secretary-General has been asked in his neighbours in order to ensure peace own personal capacity to find out for for the people and the security of this himself or through his personal repre- country. We support the principle that sentative. the countries in South-East Asia Enche' Too Joon Hing: Thank you. should remain in mutual goodwill and Sir, that is also a way to ascertain the constant consultation and accept col- wishes of the people and certainly it lective responsibility for the destiny of will also promote goodwill and co- the peoples in this region without operation among the people concerned. interference from outside powers. Mr Speaker, Sir, the summit meeting in Sir, the House is well aware that we Manila has therefore been supported the Opposition Members have time and by the Opposition Parties as demon- again expressed and declared support strating, firstly, that the free countries for Malaysia in principle, but we only in South-East Asia can get together oppose Malaysia because of the method freely and with goodwill to solve their and manner in which it is being differences, secondly, that they are brought about. Sir, time has proved capable of getting together to work out that our views have been correct and 729 12 AUGUST 1963 730 have been borne out by the course of whole not to wreck the Manila accord, recent events. We are of the opinion and to postpone or defer the debate that the summit conference at Manila, on this motion in the House today until the confrontation of Indonesia, the such time as the United Nations inde- troubles and uprising in Brunei, Sara- pendent team publishes its findings. If wak and North Borneo could all easily its findings are favourable to the esta- have been avoided if the situation had blishment of Malaysia, then the been handled with patience and pru- motion should be moved and debated, dence. However, we are presently of but if the findings are adverse then the view that the unfortunate events the passing of such a motion at this having come to pass, the Accord stage would only open ourselves to achieved at the Manila Conference ridicule. should not be frittered away by thought- Mr Speaker, Sir, in spite of the less and ill-considered acts and the explanations and reasons given by, our opportunity to bring peace and good- Prime Minister for this motion and the will to the region as a whole be untruthful charge hurled on the Opposi- completely nullified. Mr Speaker, Sir, tion for opposing Malaysia, and recent events have shown us how although Malaysia was debated and easily and dangerously an agreement passed by majority in this House in can be upset by President Soekarno's October 1961, nevertheless the fact sudden and violent reaction to the remains that the Alliance had been London Agreement so soon after our elected on a platform which contained Prime Minister's meeting with him in no Malaysia in 1959, and also because Tokyo. The President's attitude has of the fact that the Prime Minister as obviously indicated that Indonesia long ago as 1957, just after Merdeka, should be consulted before any move had rejected the idea of merger with is made to resettle the territories in Singapore. I say that the Alliance have South-East Asia or cause any realign- no mandate from the people to form ment of the allegiance of the territories Malaysia. Had Malaysia been a major in this area, thus bringing a change issue in the 1959 platform such as in the balance of power in this region. Merdeka had been in 1955 then the President Soekarno was so particularly Alliance is justified of the introduction concerned about this that he had gone of this motion here today. The to the extent of accusing our Prime people's will must be ascertained Minister of violating the spirit of the before the formation of Malaysia takes Tokyo meeting. We therefore feel place. Therefore, I support the amend- strongly that our Prime Minister having ment moved by the Honourable agreed to the Manila Accord, which Member for Tanjong that this motion makes provision for the ascertainment be deferred until the views of the of the wishes of the people of the people have been ascertained. Borneo territories through the United Nations, should not at this moment Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Mahmud pre-judge and anticipate the findings (Temerloh): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya by passing this motion at this stage tidak bersetuju di-atas pindaan yang in this House that the people of North di-bawa oleh wakil daripada Tanjong, Borneo and Sarawak are desirous of oleh sebab usul yang di-bawa kapada joining Malaysia. Dewan ini' is-lah untok hendak menge- sahkan perjanjian2 yang telah di-buat Mr Speaker, Sir, a motion of this oleh Yang Teramat Mulia Perdana importance in nature if passed in this Menteri. Bukan-lah berma`ana lulus House today could easily be interpreted pada hari ini tertuboh-nya Malaysia, again as a breach of the accord jadi perjanjian2 yang di-buat boleh-lah achieved in. Manila and reopen the old di-usulkan atau pun di-luluskan oleh sore for no purpose at all. We, there- Dewan ini terlebeh dahulu yang meng- fore, appeal strongly to the Prime kehendakkan Yang Teramat Mulia Minister as one who is dedicated to the Perdana Menteri membuat perjanjian promotion of peace and goodwill and dengan Kerajaan Britain, Borneo, Sa- the security of South-East Asia as a rawak dan Singapora, itu sahaja. Jadi 731 12 AUGUST 1963 732 rasa saya kita meluluskan hari ini tidak mempunyai pendirian langsong. tidak ada sebab-nya yang kita boleh Tuan Yang di-Pertua, telah terang jatoh maruah atau sa-bagai-nya dari- di-dalam uchapan Yang Teramat pada hasil perjumpaan kita di-Manila Mulia Perdana Menteri dengan pan- dahulu. Yang kedua-nya, Tuan Yang jang menyatakan bahawa kita mem- di-Pertua, kita meluluskan hari ini, berikan kesempatan yang luas kapada kita maseh lagi banyak masa mem- Setia-Usaha Agong Bangsa2 Bersatu binchangkan penubohan Malaysia, atau wakil-nya dengan rombongan maka pada masa itu-lah dapat itu menengok beberapa perkara2 kita menanggohkan usul2 untok yang telah di-putuskan di-dalam penubohan Malaysia. Lagi satu, Tuan sidang kemunchak di-Manila itu. Yang di-Pertua, sebab2-nya maka Tidak ada sama sa-kali soal2 per- Kerajaan kita dan Kerajaan Britain sidangan di-Manila itu boleh ber- bersetuju yang Setia-Usaha Agong bangkit dengan apa yang sedang kita Bangsa2 Bersatu menyiasat kedudokan hadapi sekarang ini dengan menerima negeri Borneo dan Sarawak, ada-kah laporan dan pengesahan daripada per- sekarang Pilehan Raya itu mengikut janjian di-London itu. Tuan Yang dasar demokrasi, kita perchaya dan di-Pertua, sa-belum perjanjian ini di- kita menaroh keperchayaan bahawa meterikan atau di-tanda-tangani oleh perkara itu berjalan mengikut dasar Persekutuan, Singapura, Sarawak dan demokrasi. Dengan sebab keperchayaan Sabah maka telah dalam persidangan itu Kerajaan kita dan Kerajaan Singa- Dewan Ra`ayat ini suatu keputusan pura, Borneo dan Sarawak bersetuju bahawa Dewan Ra`ayat ini akan mela- yang Setia-Usaha Agong Bangsa2 Ber- porkan daripada satu masa ka-satu satu itu menyiasat perkara itu. Jika masa perkembangan2 yang berlaku perkara itu tidak balk dan tidak betul atau terbit daripada masaalah Malay- atau tidak mengikut demokrasi saya sia ini, maka oloh kerana masaalah perchaya Kerajaan2 itu tidak membe- ini telah demikian terang, maka telah narkan Setia-Usaha Agong itu melawat pun di-kemukakan satu usul supaya dan menyiasat perkara itu. Jadi, rasa apa yang telah di-buat satu2 perjanjian saya untok menanggohkan ada-lah satu di-London itu di-terima oleh Dewan perkara yang tidak munasabah. mi sekarang ini. Tetapi, bagi menanggoh- ada-lah satu tangga sahaja untok kan dengan alasan yang konon-nya menuju kapada lahir-nya Malaysia. menyentoh perasaan sahabat2 yang Dengan sebab dua perkara itu saya menghadiri Majelis Tertinggi di-Manila tidak bersetuju atas pindaan yang di- itu ada-lah sate hal yang tidak dapat bawa oleh wakil daripada Tanjong itu. di-terima oleh akal kita, oleh kerana bukan-lah Persekutuan tidak dapat Mr Speaker: Jika tidak ada sa-siapa menerima segala keputusan yang telah hendak berchakap saya hendak undi di-buat daripada Persidangan Kemun- pindaan mi. chak, tetapi hanya menunggu kepu- Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah tusan mereka itu yang sedang di-dalam (Tanah Merah): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perjalanan-nya meneliti di-dalam si- saya sendiri ada-lah tidak menyetujui dang kemunchak itu. Maka oleh hal atas pindaan yang di-kemukakan oleh yang demikian, bagi menanggohkan Yang Berhormat dari Tanjong itu. menunggu masa yang lain bagi mene- Dan yang menjadi kemuskilan saya rima keputusan, atau pun perjanjian di-dalam pindaan itu is-lah untok di-London itu ada-lah satu perkara menanggohkan apa yang telah di- yang saya nampak tidak menasabah kemukakan itu dan telah juga di- dan tidak boleh di-terima. Apa yang sokong oleh sa-orang Ahli daripada patut kita terima pada hari ini is-itu PAS pada pagi tadi dengan mengatakan perjanjian2 yang telah di-buat dalam satu usul yang berlainan. Jadi, nampak- Dewan ini patut-lah Ahli2 Dewan ini nya bahawa pehak pembangkang menerima dan kemudian sa-sudah hanya hendak melambatkan sa-mata2 daripada itu kita akan membinchang- usul ini di-bahathkan sa-hingga tidak kan satu persatu terbit daripada per- mempunyai satu pendirian, terutama kara yang telah di-tanda-tangani itu. sa-kali pehak parti PAS yang mana Sakian-lah. 733 12 AUGUST 1963 734
Enche' V. veerappen: Mr Speaker, approach, which in the opinion of the Secretary-General is necessary to ensure Sir, I rise to support the amendment complete compliance with the principle of and to reply to a few things that were self-determination within the requirements stated on this. Mr Speaker, Sir, as my embodied in principle 9, taking into consi- Honourable friend from Tanjong had deration the recent elections . ." put it, the passing of this motion From this I understand -I may be standing in the name of the Prime wrong, Mr Speaker that the elections, Minister without the amendment would the results and how they were conduc- be putting the cart before the horse. ted, is only one aspect which the We have been assured that the wishes Secretary-General would take into of the people in the Borneo territories consideration. But I think this matter will have to be re-ascertained. Though has all been left to the Secretary- the Prime Minister has said in very General to devise the best ways to few words just now in clarification that ascertain their views. Therefore, until the United Nations Secretary-General the views are ascertained, it would be would be only considering the elections, wrong for us to debate this motion and how they were conducted, but and that is why we are asking for from the text of the statement which deferment. If we do not defer, Mr was given to us in Appendix "B" it Speaker, Sir, the consequences, I am says here : afraid, would not be very good, "That United Nations Secretary-General because from what I read . . . . or his representative should ascertain prior to the establishment of the Federation of Mr Speaker: The time is up. The Malaysia the wishes of the people of Sabah meeting is adjourned to 10 o'clock a.m. and Sarawak within the context of General tomorrow. Assembly Resolution 1541, paragraph (15), principle 9 of the annex, by a fresh Adjourned at 6.30 p.m. 735 12 AUGUST 1963 736 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO Teachers of National Language QUESTIONS 3. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE Minister of Education to state the AND CO-OPERATIVES number of teachers fully qualified to Sodium Arsenite teach the National Language in National Type Schools by States as at 1st Janu- 1. Enche' Lee Seck Fun asks the Minis- ary, 1962, and 1st January, 1963. ter of Agriculture and Co-operatives whether, in view of the difficulties faced by the Rubber smallholders, he Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji would review the ban on Sodium Talib: The number of teachers quali- Arsenite being used as a weed-killer fied to teach the National Language in and allow them to use it until such National Type Schools from the Secon- time a suitable substitute is available. dary and Primary Training Colleges are as follows : The Minister of Agriculture and Co- operatives (Enche' Mohamed Khir bin (a) From Secondary Training Colleges : Johari): The ban on the use of Sodium Arsenite as a weed-killer has been At the Maktab Bahasa, teachers deferred for a further period of twelve are specially trained to teach both months with effect from 1st March, Malay as well as National Lan- 1963. However, at the expiry of this guage. The numbers trained at this period the ban on the use of Sodium Maktab by States are as follows : Arsenite as a weed-killer will be reviewed. Under these circumstances, As at As at 1-1-63 State 1-1-62 (cumulative there is no reason why Sodium Arsenite figures) could not be used by rubber small- holders as a weed-killer provided Johore ...... 57 130 existing regulations are observed and Kedah ...... 59 103 strict precautions are taken to minimise Kelantan ... 29 50 or eliminate the risk of poisoning to Selangor (including human beings and livestock. Kuala Lumpur) 155 183 Malacca ...... 59 67 MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Negeri Sembilan ... 68 80 Number of Classes in National Type Primary Schools Pahang ...... 48 58 2. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the Perak ...... 182 213 Minister of Education to state the Perlis ...... 13 17 number of classes in all National Type Penang ...... 58 72 Primary Schools, i.e., Chinese, Tamil Trengganu ... 33 43 and English medium schools, by States. The Acting Minister of Education 761 1,018 (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): The number of classes in National Type Primary Schools, by In the case of the other Training States, as at 31st January, 1963, are Colleges, Malay/National Language as follows: is a compulsory subject for all National Type Primary Schools teachers in training and the number Region Total Chinese Tamil English of teachers trained in these Colleges Kuala Lumpur .. 575 84 800 1,459 are as follows : Selangor .. .. 1,085 845 551 2,481 Negeri Sembilan .. 776 404 387 1,567 As at 1-1-62 ...... 2,197 Malacca .. .. 440 166 310 916 Johore .. .. 1,903 599 610 3,112 Pahang .. .. 561 209 208 978 As at 1-1-63 ...... 3,688 Trengganu .. 78 4 80 162 Kelantan .. .. 106 50 246 402 (b) From Primary Training Colleges: Perlis .. .. 95 2 30 127 Kedah .. .. 735 317 363 1,415 Penang .. .. 1,023 177 718 1,918 The number of teachers, who Perak .. .. 2,186 1,030 959 4,175 have offered National Language as Total .. 9,563* 3,887' 5,262$ 18,712 the second language for purposes * 339,136 pupils. t 67,649 pupils. t 216,056 pupils. of training and are qualified to 737 12 AUGUST 1963 738
teach National Language are as 1961 follows : (a) Admission ...... 435 State Trained at As at As at 1-1-63 M. C. 1. O. 1-1-62 (cumulative figures) (b) Federal Scholarships ... 26 10 2 0 Perak .. S .I.T.C. .. „ Bursaries ... 17 1 0 0 D.T.C., Taiping ^. 778 1 , 319 Ipoh . , i State Scholarships ... 6 27 4 0 T. Anson J (c) Failures First Year ... 24 45 21 10 Kelantan .. K.B.T.C. .. 357 .. 454 Selangor .. D.T.C., Kuala 610 .. 979 Lumpur 1962 Penang .. Penang 668 .. 1,072 Kedah and Alor Star 163 .. 309 (a) Admission ...... 487 Perlis N. Sembilan .. Seremban 230 .. 388 M. C. 1. O. Malacca .. Malacca 244 .. 477 Johore .. Muar .. 365 .. 699 (b) Federal Scholarships ... 25 8 1 0 Pahang .. Kuantan 1 132 .. 207 Raub „ Bursaries ... 12 3 3 0 Trengganu .. K. Treng-f 52 .. 103 State Scholarships ... 12 29 7 0 ganu (c) Failures First Year ... 18 33 17 7 Total .. 3,599 .. 6,007 MINISTRY OF HEALTH University of Malaya Poly-clinic at Bentong 4. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the 5. Enche' Chan Siang Sun asks the Minister of Education to state : Minister of Health to state when the (a) the number of students admitted construction of the Poly-clinic at to the Kuala Lumpur Division of Bentong will be put in hand. the University of Malaya and the The Minister of Health (Enche' University of Malaya, Kuala Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): The Lumpur for the years 1959, 1960, construction of a Poly-clinic at Bentong 1961 and 1962; is a project under the Second Five-Year (b) of these how many, by race, were Development Plan of my Ministry. This awarded with Federal and State project will be put in hand immediately Scholarships and Bursaries ; necessary funds for the purpose are available. (c) of these also how many, by race, failed their examinations at the Health Centre at Sungkai end of the First Year. 6. Enche' Lee Seek Fun asks the Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Minister of Health to state, in view of Talib: Please see statement below : the fact that Sungkai is 38 miles to the Tanjong Malim Hospital and 16 miles STATISTICS RELATING TO KUALA to the Tapah Hospital, whether a LUMPUR DIVISION OF UNIVERSITY OF Health Centre will be constructed there MALAYA/UNIVERSITY OF MALAYA, before the end of 1963. KUALA LUMPUR FOR 1959-62 Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji 1959 Talib: The construction of a Sub- (a) Admission ...... 225 Health Centre at Sungkai is a project M. C. 1. O. in the Development Plan of the (b) Federal Scholarships ... 7 - - 1 Ministry of Health. It will not, how- „ Bursaries ... 19 2 2 1 ever, be constructed before the end of State Scholarships ... 7 21 3 0 1963. (c) Failures First Year ... 15 19 6 6 MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR 1960 Low-cost Housing (a) Admission 329 7. Enche' Chan Siang Sun asks the M. C. 1. O. Minister of the Interior whether the (b) Federal Scholarships ... 22 3 1 0 Government will consider to establish „ Bursaries ... 3 6 0 0 Low-cost Housing Schemes in the new State Scholarships ... 12 21 3 2 villages for the purpose of replanning (c) Failures First Year ... 11 23 8 6 them. 739 12 AUGUST 1963 740
The Minister of the Interior (Dato' instalment will not exceed $35 payable Dr Ismail bin Dato ' Haji Abdul over a period not exceeding 17 years. Rahman): The policy to build low-cost houses is not for the purpose of 10. Enche' Tan Phock Kin asks the replanning, but to meet the demand Minister of the Interior to state how for houses. Low-cost Housing Schemes many of these units are rented and at for various States within Local Autho- what rentals. rity areas including new villages which Dato' Dr Ismail : 2,608 units of low- are Local Councils have been, are cost flats and 36 units of low-cost being and will be considered according terrace houses built out of Federal to the merit of each scheme. loan funds have been or will be let out on rentals not exceeding $50 per 8. Enche' Tan Phock Kin asks the month. Minister of the Interior to state what is the total number of units of Low- 11. Enche' Lee Seek Fun asks the cost housing built by Government in Minister of the Interior to state whether each year since 1957 for the various he would consider giving priority for States in the Federation. the construction of low-cost houses in Tanjong Malim, Slim River, Sungkai Dato' Dr Ismail: The total number and Bidor in view of the great demand of units of low-cost houses and low- for such houses in these areas. cost flats built by State Governments, Municipalities and the Housing Trust Data' Dr Ismail: Although Tanjong with Federal Government loan funds Malim and Bidor are included in the are as follows : Perak Government's list of projects for low-cost houses, schemes in other Year Units places in Perak have been accorded 1957 ...... 541 higher priority by the State Govern- 1958 ...... 613 ment. It is expected that eventually Tanjong Malim and Bidor will be 1959 ...... 570 accorded high priority in the list of 1960 ...... 110 projects and consideration will be given 1961 ...... 418 for the allocation of funds for schemes in these 2 places along with schemes in 1962 ...... 825 other States. It would appear that there 1963 ...... 3,692* is no demand for low-cost houses in Sungkai and Slim River. Total ... 6,769 Restricted Residence and Prevention of (* Includes units under construction and Crime Ordinances those in respect of which tenders have been 12. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the called.) Minister of the Interior to state the The above figures do not include number of persons sent to Nibong 893 units of low-cost houses for sale Tebal District since 1959 and the undertaken directly by the Housing States from which they have been sent Trust with Housing Trust funds and under (a) the Restricted Residence 1,210 units of low-cost houses and flats Ordinance and (b) the Prevention of undertaken directly by State Govern- Crime Ordinance. ments with State Government funds Dato' Dr Ismail: and with Housing Trust supervision during the period in question. (a) Under the Restricted Residence Ordinance- 9. Enche' Tan Phock Kin asks the 21(19 from George Town Minister of the Interior to state how 1 from Butterworth many of these units are sold and at 1 from Pahang). what price. (b) Under the Prevention of Crime Dato' Dr Ismail: 4,125 units of low- Ordinance cost houses have been or will be sold 5 (3 from George Town on hire purchase terms and monthly 2 from Bukit Mertajam). 741 12 AUGUST 1963 742
13. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the (c) 2,010 cases have been investi- Minister of the Interior to state the gated to date (30-6-63) and 139 number of persons, normally resident are still under investigation. in Nibong Tebal, that have been sent (d) 182 cases. out to other States under the above (e) 9 cases. laws. Dato' Dr Ismail: None. Permit for Playing of Music at Funeral Procession 14. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the 16. Enche' Lee Seck Fun asks the Minister of the Interior to state the Minister of Internal Security whether, number of persons who have been in order to save people staying far released from the restrictions placed away from the OCPD of a Police under the above laws since 1959. District the trouble of having to travel long distances to obtain a music licence Dato' Dr Ismail: For the whole of for a funeral procession from him, he the Federation of Malaya : would consider vesting this power of Under the Prevention of issuing such licence also to Police Crime Ordinance ...... 182 Inspectors in charge of Police Stations Under the Restricted Resi- within a Police District. dence Ordinance ...... 325 Dato' Dr Ismail: The provision governing and regulating the extent to MINISTRY OF INTERNAL which music may be played in public SECURITY places and for that matter music played at funeral processions along public Anti-corruptions Branch roads is laid down in section 39 (1) (a) 15. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the of the Police Ordinance which is quoted Minister of Internal Security to state : below for ease of reference : "39. (1) Any Officer-in-Charge of a (a) the qualifications of the Head Police District may, in such manner as he of the Anti-corruptions Branch ; may deem fit- (a) regulate the extent to which music (b) the number of cases that have may be played in public places in been reported to the Anti- such District". corruptions Branch since 1959; It will be noted that this provision (c) the number that have been inves- in the Police Ordinance quotes specifi- tigated to date; cally the Officer-in-Charge of a Police District as the only authority and as (d) the number convicted; such no Officer-in-Charge of Sub-Police (e) the number against which pro- Stations in a District can exercise the secutions are contemplated. power mentioned above without re- course being made to amending the The Minister of Internal Security law. As the request is reasonable and (Dato' Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul as the authority to be vested with this Rahman): power is not lower than the rank of (a) The present Director of the Anti- Police Inspector in charge of Police corruption Agency is a Barrister- Stations within a Police District the at-law who has had experience Government agrees to amend the law both on the bench and as a to this effect. Deputy Public Prosecutor. Police Post at Kuala Bikam New Village (b) 2,149 cases. 17. Enche' Lee Seck Fun asks the 1959 (July to December) ... 196 Minister of Internal Security if he is 1960 (January to December) ... 463 aware of the frequent occurrence of 1961 (January to December) ... 770 gang fights in the Kuala Bikam New 1962 (January to December) ... 505 Village, Bidor, and if so, whether he 1963 (January to June)...... 215 will consider the appeal from the Total ... 2,149 villagers to have a Police Post in this village. 743 12 AUGUST 1963 744
Dato' Dr Ismail: The matter has In addition to the 18 nurses, there are been fully investigated into and it has a total of 32 midwives and 133 ayahs been established that gang fights have in these hospitals. never been frequent as claimed. The only serious case that occurred during Medical Attention and Treatment of Female 1962 and 1963 was one of rioting that Estate Employees took place in August, 1962. Those 19. Eiiche' K. Karam Singh asks the responsible were arrested and charged Minister of Labour and Social Welfare in Court but due to contradictions in whether he will give an assurance that the statements of prosecution witnesses female employees on plantations in they were acquitted by the Court. Apart Malaya will be medically examined from this there was also a case of and treated, apart from doctors, only voluntary grievous hurt in April, 1963, by female nurses and not by male and another petty mischief in June, hospital assistants, and if so, how does 1963. the Government intend to implement The village is being covered by this assurance. regular police patrols from the Batu Duabelas New Village Police Station Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: The and since this arrangement was made general practice on estates is that in April this year there has been no Resident or Visiting Medical Officers reports of unrest or intimidation, direct examine those who are ill twice or or indirect. thrice a week ; in some cases, more Under the foregoing circumstances it often. The more difficult cases are is considered that there is, at present, transferred to the Government hos- no justification for the establishment of pitals. Only the minor cases are, there- a Police Post in this village. fore, normally attended to by Hospital Assistants on these estate hospitals. MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND In such cases, wherever possible, a SOCIAL WELFARE female nurse or an ayah is always Female Nurses in Estate Hospitals present when the patient is female. 18. Enche' K. Karam Singh asks the However, in confinement cases at- Minister of Labour and Social Welfare tended to in estate hospitals, the midwife to state how many female nurses are or ayah is always in attendance. In attached to estate hospitals giving the view of the difficulties experienced in number in each State. obtaining suitably qualified staff, the existing arrangement would seem to The Minister of Labour and Social be the best possible. Under the cir- Welfare (Enche' Bahaman bin Samsu- cumstances, the assurance requested by din): The number of female nurses the Honourable Member cannot be attached to estate hospitals is as given. Nonetheless, the position will follows : be kept in constant review and State No. of No. of Estate! Female improved wherever possible. Group Nurses Hospitals Old Folks' Home, Bidor Selangor ...... 21 ... 1 20. Enche' Lee Seck Fun asks the Kelantan ...... 4 ... Minister of Labour and Social Welfare Pahang ...... 4 ... 2 whether, as the Old Folks' Home at Johore ...... 8 ... 1 Bidor caters for the vast sub-district of Malacca ...... 5 ... Tapah whence a bigger building is Negeri Sembilan ... 19 ... 5 necessary, he would recommend to the Perak ...... 23 ... Social Welfare Lotteries Board for an Penang and Butter- early release of the grant for which worth ...... 2 ... 1 they had applied. Kedah / Perlis ... 12 ... 8 Kuala Trengganu ... Enche' Bahaman bin Samsudin: Applications for funds from the pro- 98 18 ceeds of Social and Welfare Services Lotteries are to be made to the Ministry 745 12 AUGUST 1963 746 of Rural Development through the and Polling Clerks in all elections. The respective District Rural Development reasons are as follows : Committees. No application for funds (i) Presiding Officers and Polling for this Home has been received by the Clerks are usually appointed Ministry of Rural Development. long before Nomination Day. (ii) In the majority of cases, they are PRIME MINISTER'S Government servants. As such, DEPARTMENT their conduct is governed by General Orders. Appointment of Presiding Officers and (iii) Even if they are not Government Polling Clerks servants, they will be subject to the laws governing elections and 21. Enche' V. Veerappen asks the if they are found guilty they will Prime Minister to state whether the be punished. Election Commission could instruct all Returning Officers to consult candi- (iv) A Presiding Officer or a Polling dates before the appointment of Clerk is required to take an oath Presiding Officers and Polling Clerks of secrecy under section 5 of the in all elections to prevent persons Election Offences Ordinance, likely to influence a voter from being 1954, before assuming duty at a inadvertently appointed. polling station. (v) Candidates have their polling The Prime Minister: The Election agents in the polling stations. Commission does not consider it They can always bring to the necessary to instruct all Returning attention of the Returning Officer Officers to consult candidates before regarding any offences com- the appointment of Presiding Officers mitted.