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March 12, 2002 Alberta Hansard 257 Legislative Assembly of Alberta Graham, and their three children. I had the good fortune of being able to meet Joe and his host earlier this afternoon, and I would ask Title: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 1:30 p.m. that the two of them please rise and receive the warm traditional Date: 02/03/12 welcome of this Assembly. [The Speaker in the chair] head: Oral Question Period head: Prayers THE SPEAKER: First Official Opposition main question. The hon. THE SPEAKER: Good afternoon. Leader of the Official Opposition. Let us pray. Our Father, we thank You for Your abundant blessings to our province and ourselves. We ask You to ensure to us Education System Your guidance and the will to follow it. Amen. DR. NICOL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. After his last meeting with Please be seated. the Premier, Larry Booi said: From the beginning, teachers have been concerned about classroom head: Introduction of Visitors conditions, fair salaries and initiatives to recruit and retain THE SPEAKER: The hon. Member for Bonnyville-Cold Lake. teachers . and it is important that the . process provide an opportunity for all three concerns to be raised. My question is to the Premier. Why is the Premier misrepresenting MR. DUCHARME: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my pleasure this the position of the elected president of the ATA and the thousands afternoon to introduce Mr. Ernie Isley, former Member of the of teachers that he represents? Legislative Assembly, who is seated in your gallery. Mr. Isley represented the Bonnyville constituency from the 19th through the MR. KLEIN: Mr. Speaker, far be it from misrepresenting the 22nd Legislature. I would ask Mr. Isley to please rise and receive president of the ATA. As a matter of fact, that’s precisely what we the traditional warm welcome. have in mind: to address those particular situations through a blue- head: Introduction of Guests ribbon panel or a commission or some form of process that has yet to be determined to address a multitude of issues facing education THE SPEAKER: The hon. Member for Edmonton-Castle Downs. today. MR. LUKASZUK: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s indeed a pleasure THE SPEAKER: The hon. Minister of Learning to supplement? to introduce to you a number of members of the Holy Rosary club, fine individuals of Polish descent. I guess that would be DR. OBERG: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are just two synonymous. Among them is Mr. Marian Hajdasz, president; things that I wanted to add if I may quote to you, and this is from the Tadeusz Szczepanski, first vice-president; Clarence Jarock, second ATA web site. March 4: ATA President Larry Booi meets with vice-president; Agnes Jarock, treasurer; Walter Linkewich, Premier Ralph Klein and subsequently with Minister of Learning, secretary; and all board members. I would ask them to rise and Dr. Lyle Oberg, and Minister of Human Resources and Employment, receive the traditional warm welcome of this Assembly. Clint Dunford. The Premier agrees to bring to caucus and cabinet Thank you. for discussion two potential approaches to resolving disputes: number one, initiating an arbitration process and, number two, THE SPEAKER: The hon. Leader of the Official Opposition. establishing a commission to investigate teaching and learning conditions. Right from the ATA web site. DR. NICOL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s a real pleasure today to stand and introduce to the Legislative Assembly a person who’s THE SPEAKER: The hon. leader. looking down from the top now when he used to sit down here with us. Mr. Percy Wickman is here to join us. Percy, wave up there, DR. NICOL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Arbitration procedures can and everybody give him a round of applause. include more than just wages and salaries. Mr. Speaker, I also have two other introductions I’d like to make. My second question is to the Premier. Is it the government’s Mr. Len Borowski and Mr. Ross Demkiw are in the public gallery. policy to make no commitment to improving the conditions of They were candidates that ran in the last election for us. I’d just like schools in this province over the course of the upcoming teachers’ them to stand and be recognized as coming in to look at what’s contract and in the current negotiations? going on here now. MR. KLEIN: Mr. Speaker, we have committed to take a good hard, THE SPEAKER: The hon. Minister of Health and Wellness. thorough look at the situation. Putting those kinds of conditions in a contract doesn’t really solve a thing, because as I explained in this MR. MAR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m very pleased to introduce Legislature yesterday, one size simply does not fit all. What we to you and through you to members of the Assembly Mr. Joachim need to do – and Mr. Booi agrees – is to have a full and thorough Lemaire. Joachim is from northern France, and he is in Edmonton examination of education to ensure its sustainability for future as part of the Edmonton Glenora Rotary Club student exchange generations. That’s what it’s all about. program. A part of that exchange program requires students to attend high school in their host country, and even though Joachim THE SPEAKER: The hon. Minister of Learning to supplement. graduated from grade 12 in France, he is attending Eastglen high school here in the city of Edmonton. Over the course of the year Joe DR. OBERG: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again I will quote will be living with three different Glenora Rotary families. His from the ATA web site. current family is Margot Ross-Graham and her husband, Mick Impending changes in education point out the need for teacher- 258 Alberta Hansard March 12, 2002 board cooperation. Neither party can operate in a vacuum and make this money available to school boards to cover the additional expect complicated problems to be resolved during the heat of costs that are going to be associated with this arbitration and with the regular collective bargaining. settlement? They need that money in education, Mr. Premier. DR. NICOL: Good negotiation includes all the conditions, Mr. MR. KLEIN: Mr. Speaker, this government did not go out on strike. Speaker. This government did not go out on strike. The $50 million that was My final question to the Premier: can the Premier explain why his budgeted for teachers’ salaries was not used. It goes back into the legacy to Albertans will be overcrowded classrooms, overworked general revenue fund and is used as the government deems teachers, and no extra help for special-needs students? appropriate. I can tell you that those dollars will be used in priority areas to address many of the urgent needs that I’ve previously MR. KLEIN: Mr. Speaker, nothing could be further from the truth. outlined. Notwithstanding our commitment to look at education, to ensure sustainability of education for future generations, we have provided THE SPEAKER: The hon. leader. in our budgets reasonable increases to accommodate precisely what the hon. Leader of the Opposition pointed out. DR. NICOL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Why won’t you give that To explain the amount of extra money we have put in to money back to the school boards to cover the costs that are accommodate special needs, to accommodate early literacy associated with this arbitration process that you’ve put in place? programs, to accommodate a number of issues, I will have the hon. That’s going to increase their costs over and above what was in the minister supplement. budget before. They deserve that money, Mr. Premier. DR. OBERG: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Special needs in MR. KLEIN: Mr. Speaker, first of all, these will be onetime dollars. itself has more than doubled, from around $158 million to a little I can’t in my wildest dreams imagine that this arbitration process is over $300 million in the last five years. When it came to special going to come anywhere near $50 million. needs, we had a full review on this involving all of the stakeholders. I’ll have the hon. minister supplement. There were some 20 or 30 stakeholders. They brought back 66 recommendations, all of which we accepted. This government, this DR. OBERG: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For every 1 percent department accepted each and every one of them. increase in teachers’ salaries around the province it costs us roughly When it comes to class size – and this, you will pleased to know, $23 million. The key component here is that those dollars are will be my last quote of today: “I am the first to admit that class size ongoing. They are not onetime dollars. The savings that were alone doesn’t make a difference.” That was the hon. Member for retained from the strike were a little over $50 million. According to Edmonton-Mill Woods in his response to the Speech from the our accounting practices, those dollars have to be put back into Throne. general revenue. I will not comment on the upcoming budget, but I think that THE SPEAKER: Second Official Opposition main question. The people will be more than pleasantly surprised as to what occurs. hon. Leader of the Official Opposition. THE SPEAKER: Third Official Opposition main question. The hon. Money Not Spent during Teachers’ Labour Dispute Member for Edmonton-Mill Woods. DR. NICOL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government has saved over $50 million as a result of the teachers’ strike. According to the Teachers’ Labour Dispute Premier last Thursday, not a single penny of these dollars will go DR.
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