By Anders Griffen LABEL by IG HENNEMAN & AB BAARS AMSTERDAM Raham Haynes Is a Cornet Player and Composer Who, for GH: Yeah, I Started with Trumpet When I Was About 13
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INTERVIEW learning about nature and about the world, about science and mysticism. All of that, whether it’s deliberate or not, goes into the music. T S I T R TNYCJR: Why did you move to Paris? A E H T GH: There was a point in the late ‘80s when I was an F GRAHAM O usher at Symphony Space Theater in New York and Y S E they had something called the World Music Institute T R [WMI] that did a series there. I met Adam Rudolph; he U O C was working with Yusef Lateef doing a show for / I children, if you can imagine that! [laughs] Then I met C C Don Cherry, Hassan Hakmoun, Hamza El Din and U L L (CONTINUED ON PAGE 12) E B HAYNES O N WWW.STICHTINGWIG.COM A I DISTRIBUTION: WWW.SUBDIST.COM (AMSTERDAM, REAL COPY) R WWW.CATALYTICSOUND.COM (CHICAGO, REAL COPY & DIGITAL) D A by anders griffen LABEL BY IG HENNEMAN & AB BAARS AMSTERDAM raham Haynes is a cornet player and composer who, for GH: Yeah, I started with trumpet when I was about 13. G NEW RELEASE: WIG 31 WIG 27 over 40 years, has been exploring and fusing together In junior high school they had an orchestra, they had disparate musical influences including classical and a band, so, that’s where I started playing. electronic music, African, Arabian and South Asian music, drum ‘n’ bass, hip-hop and jazz. His father, Roy Haynes, is TNYCJR: How did you switch to cornet? one of the greatest jazz drummers of all time. As a performer Haynes has worked with Jaki Byard, Ed Blackwell, Butch GH: Everybody told me, “you gotta play trumpet.” Morris, David Murray, Vernon Reid, Bill Laswell, Steve It was actually Olu Dara who said, “fuck that, if you Coleman, Cassandra Wilson, Meshell Ndegeocello and The wanna play cornet, play cornet.” Then I got a cornet WIG 30 RPR 1094 / WIG 29 Roots, among many others. He has nearly 200 album credits that was the same make that his was. He told me which as a leader and sideman. While also working as an educator one to buy. And I bought that model. and lecturer, since 2000 his work has focused on chamber group composition and multimedia projects. He left his TNYCJR: What is that? study of classical composition at Queens College in the late ‘70s to become a player and now he has come full circle as GH: It’s an Olds Ambassador. It’s an Olds A3. I still his lifelong study has led him to compose for the orchestra. play it. I switched to cornet because I got tired of playing in sections and in big bands. In those days The New York City Jazz Record: I read that you are from there were a lot of bands. There were a lot of large Brooklyn, but when did you move to Hollis, Queens? groups, there were a lot of dance bands. I was playing in calypso bands and salsa bands and doing all that Graham Haynes: My parents were living in Queens. It stuff. I did a tour with Toots & the Maytals—you know just so happened that my mother, who was from Toots just died a month ago—I was on the road with Brooklyn, had to go there to deliver. I was born, him for three months. I loved playing with him, it was technically, in Brooklyn, but I’m from Hollis. You great playing with him, but I just got tired of playing know, if I say I’m from Hollis, Queens, most people the same thing night after night, you know? After that don’t know where that is. is when I switched to cornet. I wanted to be a soloist. TNYCJR: I understand that among your neighbors TNYCJR: So, on those Steve Coleman records were were Roy Eldridge, Jaki Byard and Milt Jackson, but you playing the trumpet? my first association with Hollis, Queens is Run-DMC. GH: I was playing trumpet. I switched to cornet shortly GH: Right, all the hip-hop people know, but what after. people don’t know is that between Hollis and other surrounding neighborhoods—Hollis, St. Albans, TNYCJR: When I first heard those records, I was Jamaica, South Jamaica—I think probably 90% of the listening with some friends and we were just grooving jazz musicians, particularly the Black jazz musicians until somebody said, “what meter is this in?” It really lived there. At one point we had Roy Eldridge, like blew my mind because you don’t think about meter I said, my house was right in back of Roy Eldridge’s when you’re grooving like that. house. If I went into my yard and Roy came into his yard, then I’d see him and we’d talk, you know. Jaki GH: Right, you don’t notice. That’s the space we want Byard lived up the street. Coltrane lived [in St. Albans] the listener to be in. It’s not until you start analyzing for a minute in the ‘60s. That area also had Ella that you notice the time signature. That’s one of the Fitzgerald, Count Basie and guys from Duke Ellington’s differences between Steve and [folks] now who are band. Fats Waller had lived there in the ‘40s. He went doing a lot of time signature stuff. They make it out there because James P. Johnson went out there. All obvious [laughs]. The feel is more important than the these jazz musicians started coming out there because time signature. At the same time, for folks who want to there were not that many places that would sell analyze it, there’s enough meat in there. property to Black people. They sold James P. Johnson a house and then they sold Fats Waller a house and TNYCJR: Is Coleman’s M-Base concept an ongoing then Count Basie. James Brown lived around the corner aspect of your approach? from Count Basie [nods and smiles]. Back in those days there were a lot of clubs. The reason that the hip-hop GH: Since the time it was conceived up until now, and the bands were there—they had dance bands, funk people have always asked, “What is M-Base? What bands—was because people had houses and you could does it mean?” and I always say, “ask Steve, he came rehearse your band in the basement or in the garage up with the name.” [laughs] But, for me, it’s a means of and people wouldn’t really mess with you. learning and gathering all the elements of, not only music, but also science, physics and nature, to make TNYCJR: So, when did you start, when did you pick up music. That’s pretty much what Steve has always done a horn, when did you start playing…trumpet, I guess? and I’m always interested in new experiences and 6 DECEMBER 2020 | THE NEW YORK CITY JAZZ RECORD IN MEMORIAM OVERTON BERRY (Apr. 13th, 1936 – (INTERVIEW CONTINUED FROM PAGE 6) Oct. 19th, 2020) The longtime Seattle- TOSHINORI KONDO based pianist was Music Director for musicians that came from all over that would play Peggy Lee and other performers for the these WMI concerts. A lot of these people had lived in by andrey henkin 1962 World’s Fair and had albums for Paris, which was kind of like a hub for world music in Jaro and C E, featuring such sidemen as the ‘80s, particularly for West African music too, which Chuck Metcalf and Bill Kotick, as well was a direct link to what we were trying to do with as several self-released CDs in the new millennium. M-Base with all these polyrhythms and layering. I had Berry died Oct. 19th at 84. to look towards Africa, and I had to look towards the T E East and Arabia too, to find another perspective on how N . C I HAROLD BETTERS (Mar. 21st, 1928 – to deal with what I wanted to deal with. So, in 1990 I S U Oct. 11th, 2020) The trombonist wrote moved and I stayed for three years. I did move around M N tunes recorded by Woody Herman, quite a bit in Europe and I went to Africa and came W O T Gerald Wilson and Ambros Seelos and back to New York several times in that three-year N W had leader dates in the ‘60s for Gateway period. I was working with Ralph Peterson, Geri Allen O D (including one co-led with fellow and Ed Blackwell. So, I was coming to New York, but I / N I trombonist Slide Hampton), Reprise was based in Paris because [of the influence of] the K H and his own Bettersound and H.B. Better died Oct. World Music Institute… One day they would have S U N 11th at 92. music from Rajasthan and the next day there’d be music N A from Morocco with Don Cherry and then there’d be G R MARC FOSSET (May 17th, 1949 – Oct. Master musicians of South Asian music. I saw Zakir E T E 31st, 2020) The French guitarist was Hussain play with his father Ustad Allarakha Qureshi P active since the late ‘70s, working with several times. It just opened my ears up. Japanese trumpeter Toshinori Kondo, active in his countrymen René Urtreger, Patrice country’s and the international avant garde jazz scenes Caratini, Michel de Villers, Stéphane TNYCJR: And drove you right out of the country. with numerous collaborators and dozens of his own Grappelli and others as well as expatriate records since the ‘70s, died suddenly on Oct.