Public Protection 2021 Transcript
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1 1 BEFORE THE NEW YORK STATE SENATE FINANCE AND ASSEMBLY WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEES 2 ----------------------------------------------------- 3 JOINT LEGISLATIVE HEARING 4 In the Matter of the 2021-2022 EXECUTIVE BUDGET ON 5 PUBLIC PROTECTION 6 ----------------------------------------------------- 7 Virtual Hearing Held via Zoom 8 February 10, 2021 9 9:40 a.m. 10 PRESIDING: 11 Senator Liz Krueger 12 Chair, Senate Finance Committee 13 Assemblywoman Helene E. Weinstein Chair, Assembly Ways & Means Committee 14 PRESENT: 15 Senator Thomas F. O'Mara 16 Senate Finance Committee (RM) 17 Assemblyman Edward P. Ra Assembly Ways & Means Committee (RM) 18 Senator Brad Hoylman 19 Chair, Senate Committee on Judiciary 20 Assemblyman Charles D. Lavine Chair, Assembly Committee on Judiciary 21 Senator Jamaal T. Bailey 22 Chair, Senate Committee on Codes 23 Assemblyman Jeffrey Dinowitz Chair, Assembly Committee on Codes 24 2 1 2021-2022 Executive Budget Public Protection 2 2-10-21 3 PRESENT: (Continued) 4 Senator Julia Salazar Chair, Senate Committee on Crime Victims, 5 Crime and Correction 6 Assemblyman David I. Weprin Chair, Assembly Committee on Correction 7 Senator John E. Brooks 8 Chair, Senate Committee on Veterans, Homeland Security and Military Affairs 9 Assemblyman Kenneth P. Zebrowski 10 Chair, Assembly Committee on Governmental Operations 11 Senator Diane J. Savino 12 Chair, Senate Committee on Internet and Technology 13 Senator Gustavo Rivera 14 Assemblyman Harry B. Bronson 15 Senator Pete Harckham 16 Assemblyman Edward C. Braunstein 17 Assemblywoman Deborah J. Glick 18 Senator Andrew Gounardes 19 Assemblyman Erik M. Dilan 20 Assemblywoman Jenifer Rajkumar 21 Assemblyman Phil Steck 22 Assemblywoman Dr. Anna R. Kelles 23 Senator James Tedisco 24 3 1 2021-2022 Executive Budget Public Protection 2 2-10-21 3 PRESENT: (Continued) 4 Senator Anna M. Kaplan 5 Assemblywoman Karen McMahon 6 Assemblyman Demond Meeks 7 Assemblyman Ron Kim 8 Assemblyman Philip A. Palmesano 9 Senator Todd Kaminsky 10 Assemblyman Andy Goodell 11 Assemblywoman Catalina Cruz 12 Assemblyman Mike Lawler 13 Senator Kevin Thomas 14 Assemblyman Michael Tannousis 15 Assemblywoman Patricia Fahy 16 Assemblyman Harvey Epstein 17 Assemblyman Anthony H. Palumbo 18 Senator George M. Borrello 19 Assemblywoman Rebecca Seawright 20 Assemblywoman Latoya Joyner 21 Senator John C. Liu 22 Assemblyman Michael Reilly 23 Assemblywoman Alicia Hyndman 24 Assemblywoman Carmen N. De La Rosa 4 1 2021-2022 Executive Budget Public Protection 2 2-10-21 3 PRESENT: (Continued) 4 Senator Jeremy A. Cooney 5 Assemblywoman Marjorie Byrnes 6 Assemblyman Angelo J. Morinello 7 Assemblywoman Latrice Walker 8 Assemblyman Daniel J. O'Donnell 9 Assemblyman Chris Burdick 10 Assemblyman Mark Walczyk 11 Assemblyman Jake Ashby 12 Senator Elijah Reichlin-Melnick 13 Assemblyman Kevin M. Byrne 14 Assemblywoman Linda B. Rosenthal 15 Assemblyman Jeffrion L. Aubry 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 5 1 2021-2022 Executive Budget Public Protection 2 2-10-21 3 LIST OF SPEAKERS 4 STATEMENT QUESTIONS 5 Honorable Lawrence K. Marks Chief Administrative Judge 6 NYS Office of Court Administration 15 26 7 Robert H. Tembeckjian 8 Administrator and Counsel New York State Commission on 9 Judicial Conduct 133 140 10 William J. Leahy Director 11 New York State Office of Indigent Legal Services 159 165 12 Patrick A. Murphy 13 Commissioner NYS Division of Homeland Security 14 and Emergency Services 180 185 15 Angelo Riddick Interim CIO and Director 16 NYS Office of Information Technology Services 229 236 17 Michael C. Green 18 Executive Deputy Commissioner NYS Division of Criminal 19 Justice Services 267 274 20 Anthony J. Annucci Acting Commissioner 21 NYS Department of Corrections and Community Supervision 355 362 22 Kevin P. Bruen 23 Acting Superintendent NYS Division of State Police 455 460 24 6 1 2021-2022 Executive Budget Public Protection 2 2-10-21 3 LIST OF SPEAKERS, Continued 4 STATEMENT QUESTIONS 5 Kristin Brown President and CEO 6 Empire Justice Center -and- 7 Laura Abel Senior Policy Counsel 8 Lawyers Alliance for New York -and- 9 Molly Clifford Interim Executive Director 10 NY Legal Services Coalition 504 11 Dr. David Sandman President and CEO 12 New York State Health Foundation -and- 13 Coco Culhane Executive Director 14 Veteran Advocacy Project -and- 15 Shane Correia Deputy Director of Strategic 16 Partnerships Center for Court Innovation 17 -and- William C. Silverman 18 Chair Fund for Modern Courts 19 -and- Joan Gerhardt 20 Director of Public Policy and Advocacy 21 New York State Coalition Against Domestic Violence 513 530 22 23 24 7 1 2021-2022 Executive Budget Public Protection 2 2-10-21 3 LIST OF SPEAKERS, Continued 4 STATEMENT QUESTIONS 5 Manuel M. Vilar Vice President & CAO 6 Police Benevolent Association of New York State 7 -and- Timothy M. Dymond 8 President New York State Police Investigators 9 Association -and- 10 Richard Wells President 11 Police Conference of New York State -and- 12 Michael O'Meara President 13 New York State Association of Police Benevolent Associations 14 -and- Thomas H. Mungeer 15 President New York State Troopers Police 16 Benevolent Association 532 549 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 8 1 2021-2022 Executive Budget Public Protection 2 2-10-21 3 LIST OF SPEAKERS, Continued 4 STATEMENT QUESTIONS 5 J. Anthony Jordan Washington County District Attorney 6 -on behalf of- District Attorneys Association 7 of the State of New York -and- 8 Susan C. Bryant Executive Director 9 NYS Defenders Association -and- 10 Laurette Mulry President 11 Chief Defenders Assn. of NY -and- 12 Audrey Sample Founder and Group Lead 13 Students Demand Action Rochester -and- 14 Regina Ritcey Executive Director 15 NYS Dispute Resolution Assn. 568 586 16 Elizabeth Gaynes CEO and President 17 The Osborne Association -and- 18 Shayna Kessler Senior Planner 19 Vera Institute of Justice -and- 20 Yonah Zeitz Policy Coordinator 21 Katal Center for Equity, Health and Justice 22 -and- Barry Graubart 23 Deputy Chapter Leader Moms Demand Action for 24 Gun Sense in America, New York Chapter 596 9 1 2021-2022 Executive Budget Public Protection 2 2-10-21 3 LIST OF SPEAKERS, Continued 4 STATEMENT QUESTIONS 5 Sarah Bertozzi Managing Attorney and Director 6 of Immigration Legal Services Journey's End Refugee Services 7 -and- Terry Lawson 8 Executive Director UnLocal 9 -and- Elena Sassower 10 Director Center for Judicial 11 Accountability 611 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 10 1 CHAIRWOMAN KRUEGER: Good morning. 2 I'm Senator Liz Krueger, chair of the Senate 3 Finance Committee. And I'm joined today by 4 many people but most importantly my cochair 5 of today's budget hearing from Ways and 6 Means, Assemblywoman Helene Weinstein. 7 Today is the joint legislative hearing 8 for fiscal year 2021-2022 on 9 Public Protection, issued within the 10 Executive Budget. 11 It's Wednesday, February 10th, around 12 9:40 in the morning. Check back at 9:40 13 tonight -- we'll still be here, I'm going to 14 tell you, because today will be a very long 15 hearing because there are so many different 16 overlapping agencies within the rubric of 17 public protection. 18 These hearings are conducted pursuant 19 to the New York State Constitution and 20 Legislative Law. 21 Today the Senate Finance Committee and 22 Assembly Ways and Means Committee will hear 23 testimony concerning the Governor's proposed 24 budget for the Judiciary, the State 11 1 Commission on Judicial Conduct, the Office of 2 Indigent Legal Services, New York State 3 Division of Homeland Security & Emergency 4 Services, New York State Office of 5 Information Technology, New York State 6 Division of Criminal Justice Services, the 7 State Department of Corrections and Community 8 Supervision, and the State Division of State 9 Police. 10 Following each testimony there will be 11 time for questions from the chairs and 12 rankers and other legislators. Following the 13 eight representatives from state government, 14 we will move to testimony from the public who 15 has asked to testify here today. 16 All testimony is available online and 17 can be read by each and every legislator and 18 everyone in the public. 19 If you asked to testify but you were 20 turned down because it was too crowded, you 21 are still welcome to submit testimony even 22 past today's date. And for those of you who 23 are just listening in and want to read along, 24 you should have access to quite a bit of the 12 1 testimony online already. 2 I'm now going to introduce members of 3 the Senate, and Helene will introduce members 4 of the Assembly. Following, we'll have 5 introductions by the Senate -- 6 (Zoom interruption.) 7 CHAIRWOMAN KRUEGER: Oh, somebody 8 please mute yourself if you're not me talking 9 at the moment. 10 SENATOR O'MARA: Sorry. 11 CHAIRWOMAN KRUEGER: That's okay. 12 Thank you. That's another rule for these 13 hearings: Remember to mute yourself if 14 you're not the one who's supposed to be 15 actually speaking. 16 We have so many Senators here today, 17 but Jamaal Bailey, John Brooks, Julia 18 Salazar, Brad Hoylman. I'm just going 19 through the -- Gustavo Rivera, Pete Harckham, 20 Diane Savino, Anna Kaplan, John Liu. 21 Let's pass it to Tom O'Mara, the 22 ranker, to name his members who are here 23 today. 24 SENATOR O'MARA: Good morning. Thank 13 1 you, Senator Krueger. 2 We are joined on the Minority side by 3 Senator Jim Tedisco. I'm sure others will be 4 joining as we progress throughout the day.