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September 2010 Meeting minutes Beijing May 2010
IEEE P802.11 Wireless LANs
802.11 TGaf September 2010 Minutes
Date: 2010-9-19
Author(s): Name Affiliation Address Phone email Rich Research In Motion 7305 Napiet Trail +1-972-207-3554 [email protected] Kennedy Corporation Austin, TX 78729 Peter 170 W. Tasman Dr., San Jose, Cisco Systems +1-408-527-0815 [email protected] Ecclesine CA 95134-1706 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Zhou Lan NICT +81-46-847-5110 [email protected] 239-0847, Japan
Abstract This document contains the meeting minutes from the 802.11 TGaf meeting, held at the September, 2010 IEEE 802 Interim meeting.
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September 1 4 th , 20 10 (Tuesday) AM 8 : 0 0- 10:00
Notes – Tuesday, September 14th, 2010; with 36 attendees
1. Richard Kennedy (RIM) is the chair of 802.11af. Chair called meeting to order: 8:00 am Local time.
2. The agenda of the session was reviewed and approved by unanimous consent.
3. Introduction 3.1. Chair welcomed participants. 3.2. Chair reminded participants to record their attendance.
4. Administrative items 4.1. Chair reviewed the administrative items and presented the links for accessing the related documents. 4.2. Chair reviewed the patent policy and meeting guideline slides. Chair asked: “Are there any questions on the slides?” None. 4.3. Chair asked: “Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard?” None. 4.4. Chair reviewed other guide lines of the IEEE WG meetings. 4.5. Chair reviewed task group chair functions.
5. Chair reviewed the status and progress of the task group.
6. Chair reviewed the PAR Scope and Purpose, Purpose, Principles and Vision/Outcome of the project. 6.1. Peter Ecclesine (Cisco) as the technical editor of the task group suggested changing the starting points of the task group to clauses 17, 19 and Annex D and E. 6.2. The change is approved by the group with unanimous consent.
7. Motion to approve the TGaf minutes from the July Plenary in San Diego, with changes as discussed here, and the July 27th, August 3rd, 10th, 17th, 24th, 31st and September 7th teleconferences in documents 11-10/982r0, 11-10/971r1, 11-10/986r0, 11-10/994r0, 11-10/1017r0, 11-10/1059r0 and 11-10/1060r0 respectively. 7.1. Moved by Stephen McCann (RIM), Second by Shuzo Kato (NICT) 7.2. Discussion: None 7.3. Passes with unanimous consent
8. Motion to approve P802.11af draft d0.05 as the base for the P802.11af amendment. 8.1. Moved by Zhou Lan (NICT), Second by Peter Ecclesine (Cisco) 8.2. Discussion: 8.2.1.Stephen McCann asked if the draft text is already on the server. 8.2.2.Peter Ecclesine responded “it is on the server” 8.3. Passes with unanimous consent
9. Motion to accept 11-10/595r9 as the comment spreadsheet for D0.05. 9.1. Moved by Peter Ecclesine (Cisco), Second by Stephen McCann (RIM) 9.2. Discussion: None 9.3. Passes with unanimous consent
10. Peter Ecclesine presented document 11-10/595r9, the Technical Review Comment Spreadsheet. Submission page 2 September 2010 Meeting minutes Beijing May 2010
10.1. Padam Kafle (Nokia) asked if the editorial instruction is well constructed. 10.2. Peter Ecclesine showed the editorial instructions. 10.3. Stephen Shellhammer (Qualcomm) asked about the resolutions of channelization related comment. 10.4. Peter Ecclesine responded there will be another submission addressing these comments.
11. Peter Ecclesine presented document 11-10/794r2. 11.1. Ganesh Venkatesan (Intel) asked the document number. 11.2. Jae-Hyung Song (LGE) questioned about resolution of comment 106 pointing out the sensing requirement is still there, therefore detecting signal on the adjacent channel should be supported. 11.3. Peter Ecclesine suggested deferring the discussion to October until the new rule is released. 11.4. Padam Kafle commented comment 14 and 57 are related with document 11-10/813. 11.5. Padam Kafle commented document 11-10/813 covers dependent AP operation. 11.6. Zhou Lan (NICT) questioned about the IBSS operation. 11.7. Peter Ecclesine responded it is already in the draft text. 11.8. Eunsun Kim changed the resolution of comment 8, 9 to “agree in principle”.
12. Eunsun Kim presented document 11-10/1041r1. 12.1. Peter Ecclesine comment the resolution should have provided text that can be copy and pasted to the spread sheet.
13. Recessed at 10:00 am Local time.
September 1 4 th , 20 10 (Tuesday) PM 1 : 3 0- 3:30
Notes – Tuesday, September 14th, 2010; with 40 attendees
14. Richard Kennedy (RIM) is the chair of 802.11af. Chair called meeting to order: 1:30 pm Local time.
15. The agenda of the session was reviewed and approved by unanimous consent.
16. Administrative items 16.1. Chair reviewed the administrative items and presented the links for accessing the related documents. 16.2. Chair reviewed the patent policy and meeting guideline slides. Chair asked: “Are there any questions on the slides?” None. 16.3. Chair asked: “Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard?” None. 16.4. Chair reviewed other guide lines of the IEEE WG meetings. 16.5. Chair reviewed task group chair functions.
17. Eunsun Kim presented document 11-10/1049r1. 17.1. Zhou Lan asked besides Ethernet any other type of network is supported. 17.2. Peter Ecclesine encouraged people to check Rev.mb annex u for further information.
18. Chair asked if there is any document for comment resolution. 18.1. People were adding the documents to the list. 18.2. Chair sequenced the documents.
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19. Padam Kafle presented document 11-10/813r1 and 11-10/1056r1. 19.1. Stephen Shellhammer (Qualcomm) asked if an enabling STA is an enabler. 19.2. Padam responded an enabler doesn’t necessary have to be an enabling STA. 19.3. Stephen McCann commented GAS should not be used here because GAS is not a protocol. GAS is just a generic service. 19.4. Zhou Lan questioned about the distinction between a registered location server and an enabler. 19.5. Peter Ecclesine responded there will be a presentation this evening to clarify these concepts. 19.6. Stephen McCann commented putting WSM in the response frame will introduce big overhead. 19.7. Eunsun Kim questioned if STA LCI is really needed. 19.8. Peter Ecclesine commented STA LCI is not needed because the reported location is not trustable. 19.9. Eunsun Kim commented it might be possible for the STA to manipulate the location information.
20. Chen Sun presented document 11-10/1130r0. 20.1. Jae-Hyung Song (LGE) questioned about the distinction of the submission compared to 11-10/945. 20.2. Zhou Lan commented since 11-10/945 has not been presented yet, the discussion should be after 11-10/945 is presented.
21. Eunsun Kim presented document 11-10/695r3. 21.1. Srikanthyayani (Intel) asked if it is necessary to add information for other countries. 21.2. Peter Ecclesine responded we don’t spend time on those that don’t meet the regulation requirement.
22. Yohannes (NICT) presented document 11-10/712r4.
23. Recessed at 3:30 pm Local time.
September 1 4 th , 20 10 (Tuesday) PM 7 : 3 0- 9:30
Notes – Tuesday, September 14th, 2010; with 34 attendees
24. Richard Kennedy (RIM) is the chair of 802.11af. Chair called meeting to order: 7:30 pm Local time.
25. The agenda of the session was reviewed and approved by unanimous consent.
26. Administrative items 26.1. Chair reviewed the administrative items and presented the links for accessing the related documents. 26.2. Chair reviewed the patent policy and meeting guideline slides. Chair asked: “Are there any questions on the slides?” None. 26.3. Chair asked: “Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard?” None. 26.4. Chair reviewed other guide lines of the IEEE WG meetings. 26.5. Chair reviewed task group chair functions.
27. Peter Ecclesine presented document 11-10/996r0. Submission page 4 September 2010 Meeting minutes Beijing May 2010
27.1. Marc Emmelmann (FOKUS) asked if all the STAs need to be master in Ad-hoc mode. 27.2. Zhou Lan asked if it is possible to certify a system instead of a single device. 27.3. Peter Ecclesine responded we need to correctly decouple the system. 27.4. Alex(InterDigital) asked if there is maximum transmission range defined in the rule. 27.5. Peter Ecclesine responded there is none.
28. Recessed at 9:30 pm Local time.
September 1 5 th , 20 10 (Wednesday) PM 1 : 3 0- 3:30
Notes – Tuesday, September 15th, 2010; with 40 attendees
29. Richard Kennedy (RIM) is the chair of 802.11af. Chair called meeting to order: 1:30 pm Local time.
30. The agenda of the session was reviewed and approved by unanimous consent. 30.1. Padam and Zhou questioned about the agenda, when motions will be performed.
31. Administrative items 31.1. Chair reviewed the administrative items and presented the links for accessing the related documents. 31.2. Chair reviewed the patent policy and meeting guideline slides. Chair asked: “Are there any questions on the slides?” None. 31.3. Chair asked: “Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard?” None. 31.4. Chair reviewed other guide lines of the IEEE WG meetings. 31.5. Chair reviewed task group chair functions.
32. Peter Ecclesine presented document 11-10/794r2. 32.1. Padam questioned about how to resolve conflicts on resolution provided by different submissions.
33. Zhou Lan presented document 11-10/1137r1. 33.1. George Vlantis (STM) pointed out the submission as the comment resolution is not sufficient. The author should have stated Agree, Agree in principle or Disagree. 33.2. Eunsun Kim commented the definition of the enabling STA and dependent STA are already there, there is no need to define new one.
34. Jae-Hyung Song (LGE) presented document 11-10/945r1. 34.1. Zhou Lan commented the frame format having repeated information will not allow the enabler to know the exact operating channel. 34.2. Chen Sun (NICT) asked about the rational to bring a mechanism that is similar to the mechanism already in the draft text. 34.3. Zhou Lan suggested reducing the repeating information in the frame format. 34.4. Jae-Hyung responded it is preferred to have the repeating information for the purpose of the flexibility. 34.5. Rich Kennedy asked if the editorial instruction is there. 34.6. Jae-Hyung confirmed they are there in the document.
35. Tuncer Baykas presented document 11-10/1143r0.
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35.1. Peter Ecclesine commented this is a joint work between Tuncer and Peter for the resolution on the comments related with channelization.
36. Chen Sun (NICT) presented documents 11-10/710r3, 11-10/711r4.
37. Recessed at 3:30 pm Local time.
September 1 6 th , 20 10 (Thursday) AM 8 : 0 0- 10:00
Notes – Thursday, September 16th, 2010; with 30 attendees
38. Richard Kennedy (RIM) is the chair of 802.11af. Chair called meeting to order: 8:06 am Local time.
39. The agenda of the session was reviewed and approved by unanimous consent.
40. Administrative items 40.1. Chair reviewed the administrative items and presented the links for accessing the related documents. 40.2. Chair reviewed the patent policy and meeting guideline slides. Chair asked: “Are there any questions on the slides?” None. 40.3. Chair asked: “Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard?” None. 40.4. Chair reviewed other guide lines of the IEEE WG meetings. 40.5. Chair reviewed task group chair functions.
41. Stephen McCann (RIM) presented 11-10/1040r2 to resolve comment 4 and 5, it appears to be a polling mechanism for stations to retrieve the changes from database. 41.1. Padam Kafle commented it looked like other power save mechanisms.
42. Eunsun Kim presented 11-10/1041r2. 42.1. Padam Kafle questioned the proposed resolution on comment 65.
43. Eunsun Kim presented 11-10/1039r1 for editing changes and clarifications to WSM. 43.1. Rich Kennedy said it could be brought as a comment resolution in WG letter ballot.
44. Chair directed the editor to create speculative draft D0.06 from all submissions in 11-10/595r12 Initial Ballot sheet, column Q. 44.1. Zhou Lan (NICT) asked if we need time to look at all the submissions and conflicts 44.2. Byoung-hoon Kim (LGE) questioned not voting submission by submission in having D1.0 in November. 44.3. George Vlantis (STM) said “you could motion to approve all resolutions that have now dispute.” 44.4. Chen Sum (NICT) questioned the procedure of including submissions without approval to the new draft text.
45. Chari ran a straw poll: “Do you agree to provide the responses to all of the (150) comments received in the TGaf WG Internal Review by approving 11-10/595r12?” 45.1. YES: 7, NO: 13.
46. Recessed at 10:00 am Local time. Submission page 6 September 2010 Meeting minutes Beijing May 2010
September 1 6 th , 20 10 (Thursday) PM 1 : 3 0- 3:30
Notes – Ad-hoc session, Thursday, September 16th, 2010; with 27 attendees
47. Richard Kennedy (RIM) is the chair of 802.11af. Chair called meeting to order: 1:30 pm Local time.
48. The agenda of the session was reviewed and approved by unanimous consent.
49. Administrative items 49.1. Chair reviewed the administrative items and presented the links for accessing the related documents. 49.2. Chair reviewed the patent policy and meeting guideline slides. Chair asked: “Are there any questions on the slides?” None. 49.3. Chair asked: “Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard?” None. 49.4. Chair reviewed other guide lines of the IEEE WG meetings. 49.5. Chair reviewed task group chair functions.
50. Chair started free discussions on the subject related to enablement.
51. Recessed at 3:30 pm Local time.
September 16 th , 20 10 (Thursday) PM 4 : 0 0- 6:00
Notes – Thursday, Sep 16th, 2010; with 46 attendees
52. The agenda of the session was reviewed. 52.1. Motion to amend the agenda to add “Review and vote on submissions with a 5 (originally 8) minute time limit (on review and discussion) per document”. -11-10/1130r0 -11-10/695r4 -11-10/1049r1 -11-10/945r1 -11-10/1033r3 -11-10/711r4 -11-10/1041r2 52.1.1. Moved by Eunsun Kim (LGE), Seconded by Matthew Fischer (Broadcom) 52.1.2. Discussions: 52.1.2.1. Padam Kafle spoke against the motion. 52.1.2.2. Paul Lambert commented each submission should be presented and reviewed by the group. 52.1.2.3. Eunsun Kim responded that it is not necessary to present again because all the submissions have been heard by the group in both conference call and face to face meeting. 52.1.2.4. Chen Sun spoke in favor of Eunsun’s opinion. 52.1.3. Motion to amend the motion “Change the order of the document review and vote, move 11-10/1130r0 to the third place”. 52.1.3.1. Moved by Zhou Lan (NICT), Seconded by Yohannes Demessie (NICT) 52.1.3.2. Passes with unanimous consent
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52.1.4. Paul Lambert (Marvell) requested a roll-call vote for this motion. 52.1.5. Chair approved the roll-call vote request. 52.1.6. Passes with YES: 20, NO: 4, ABSTAIN:6. 52.1.7. Chair suggested changing the presentation time from 8 minutes to 5 minutes. 52.1.7.1. No objection was heard.
Last Name First Name Affiliation Vote Bumiller G RIM ABSTAIN Banerjea Raja Marvell ABSTAIN Choi Inhwan LGE ABSTAIN Emmelmann Marc FOKUS ABSTAIN GIRAUD Claude NXP Semiconductors ABSTAIN Jain Avinash Qualcomm ABSTAIN Kafle Padam Nokia NO Lambert Paul Marvell NO Song Jae-Hyung LGE NO Vlantis George A STMicroelectronics NO Baykas Tuncer NICT YES Demessie Yohannes NICT YES Fischer Matthew Broadcom YES Iso Akio NICT YES Choi Jee-Yon ETRI YES Kim Eunsun LGE YES KIM BYOUNG-HOON LGE YES Kwak Joseph InterDigital YES Kato Shuzo NICT YES Kim Youngsoo Samsung YES Cheong Minho ETRI YES Kojima Fumihide NICT YES Zhou Lan NICT YES Lee Daewon LGE YES Lee Yuro ETRI YES Oh Jong-Ee ETRI YES Pyo Changwoo NICT YES Seok Yongho LGE YES Sum C. S. NICT YES Wang Junyi NICT YES
53. Eunsun Kim presented document 11-10/695r4. 53.1. Motion to approve document 11-10/695r4 and direct the editor to include the normative text in P802.11af d0.05. 53.1.1. Moved by Eunsun Kim (LGE), Seconded by Zhou Lan (NICT) 53.1.2. Discussions: None 53.1.3. Passes with YES:18, NO:1, ABSTAIN:6
54. Eunsun Kim presented document 11-10/1049r1.
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54.1. Motion to approve document 11-10/1049r1 and direct the editor to include the normative text in P802.11af d0.05. 54.1.1. Moved by Jae-Hyung Song (LGE), Seconded by Eunsun Kim (LGE) 54.1.2. Discussions:None 54.1.3. Passes with YES: 24, NO:0, ABSTAIN:7
55. Chen Sun (NICT) presented document 11-10/1130r0. 55.1. Motion to approve document 11-10/1130r0 and direct the editor to include the normative text in P802.11af d0.05. 55.1.1. Moved by Zhou Lan (NICT), Seconded by Eunsun Kim (LGE). 55.1.2. Discussions: Not allowed due to time limit. 55.1.3. Motion to amend the motion to “Motion to approve document 11-10/1130r0 with a removal of the second last paragraph of 10.12.8, and direct the editor to include the normative text in P802.11af d0.05. 55.1.3.1. Moved by Jae-Hyung Song (LGE), Seconded by Inhwan Choi (LGE) 55.1.3.2. Discussions: Not allowed due to time limit. 55.1.3.3. Fails with YES: 6, NO: 13, ABSTAIN: 3. 55.1.4. Passes with YES: 19, NO: 4, ABSTAIN:6.
56. Jae-Hyung Song (LGE) presented document 11-10/945r1 with changes introduced in r2. 56.1. Motion to approve document 11-10/945r1 with changes introduced in r2, and direct the editor to include the normative text in P802.11af d0.05 56.1.1. Moved by Jae-Hyung Song (LGE), Seconded by Eunsun Kim (LGE) 56.1.2. Discussions: None 56.1.3. George Vlantis (STMicroelectronics) requested a roll-call vote on this motion. 56.1.4. The request is rejected by chair due to time limit. 56.1.5. Fails with YES: 8, NO:12, ABSTAIN:9.
57. Tuncer Baykas (NICT) presented document 11-10/1033r3 with a supporting document 11- 10/1143r0. 57.1. Motion to approve document 11-10/1033r3 and direct the editor to include the normative text in P802.11af d0.05. 57.1.1. Moved by Tuncer Baykas (NICT), Seconded by Paul Lambert (Marvell) 57.1.2. Discussions: Paul Lambert spoke in favour of this submission. 57.1.3. Passes with YES:23, NO:0, ABSTAIN:3.
58. Chen Sun (NICT) deferred the presentation of 11-10/711r4.
59. Eunsun Kim (LGE) presented document 11-10/1041r2. 59.1. Motion to approve document 11-10/1041r2 to resolve comments CID 10, 32, 39, 40, 53, 60, 61, 98, 102, 121, 89, 26, 33, 44, 64, 65, 111, 127, 130. 59.1.1. Moved by Eunsun Kim (LGE), Seconded by Zhou Lan (NICT) 59.1.2. Discussions: 59.1.2.1. George Vlantis asked what will be the effects with the resolutions of these comments. 59.1.2.2. Eunsun Kim responded those comments are not resolved yet, they need to be resolved. 59.1.3. Passes with YES: 16, NO: 3, ABSTAIN: 7.
60. Eunsun Kim and Yohannes asked what the procedure of creating D0.06 is. 60.1. Rich Kennedy as the TG chair and Peter Ecclesine as the TG editor agreed that all the submissions except for those failed the motion will go into D0.06, submissions without a
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voting will be marked as “not voted”, submissions that failed the motion will not go into D0.06.
61. Chair proposed to cancel all the conference calls until the release of the new FCC rules. 61.1. No objection was heard in the group.
62. Chair asked if there is any other business, hearing none, 62.1. Motion to Adjourn. 62.1.1. Moved by Jae-Hyung Song (LGE). Seconded by Matthew Fischer (Broadcom) 62.1.2. Pass with unanimous consent. 62.2. We are adjourned at 6:00pm local time.
63. References: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-0945-02-00af-dse-status-query-response.doc https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-0595-12-00af-d0-02-comment- spreadsheet.xls https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-1040-02-00af-white-space-map- notification.doc https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-1037-02-00af-normative-text-for- deployment-scenarios-and-signalling-methods-for-enablement.doc https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-0711-04-00af-proposed-changes-regarding- to-dse-in-ieee-802-11af-d0-03.doc https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-1049-01-00af-proposed-resolution-for- comments-on-multi-band.doc https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-0711-03-00af-proposed-changes-regarding- to-dse-in-ieee-802-11af-d0-03.doc https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-1143-00-00af-11af-channel-numbering.ppt https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-0712-04-00af-proposed-changes-regarding- measurement-in-ieee-802-11af-d0-02.doc
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