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NORTHWEST TERRITORIES LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

5th Session Day 88 17th Assembly

HANSARD

Monday, October 5, 2015

Pages 6659 – 6698

The Honourable Jackie Jacobson, Speaker Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories Members of the Legislative Assembly

Speaker Hon. Jackie Jacobson (Nunakput)

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Hon. Glen Abernethy Mrs. Jane Groenewegen Mr. Kevin Menicoche (Great Slave) (Hay River South) (Nahendeh) Minister of Health and Social Services Minister responsible for Mr. Robert Hawkins Hon. J. Michael Persons with Disabilities (Yellowknife Centre) Miltenberger Minister responsible for Seniors (Thebacha) Hon. Jackson Lafferty Government House Leader Hon. Tom Beaulieu Minister of Finance (Monfwi) Minister of Environment and Natural (Tu Nedhe) Deputy Premier Minister of Human Resources Resources Minister of Education, Culture and Minister responsible for the Minister of Transportation Employment NWT Power Corporation Minister of Public Works and Minister responsible for the Workers’ Services Safety and Compensation Commission Mr. Alfred Moses Ms. Wendy Bisaro (Inuvik Boot Lake) (Frame Lake) Hon. Bob McLeod (Yellowknife South) Mr. Michael Nadli Mr. Frederick Blake Premier (Deh Cho) (Mackenzie Delta) Minister of Executive Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Hon. David Ramsay Mr. Robert Bouchard Intergovernmental Relations (Kam Lake) Minister responsible for Women (Hay River North) Minister of Justice Minister of Industry, Tourism Mr. Bob Bromley Hon. Robert C. McLeod and Investment (Inuvik Twin Lakes) Minister responsible for the (Weledeh) Minister of Municipal and Public Utilities Board Community Affairs Mr. Daryl Dolynny Minister of Lands Mr. Norman Yakeleya (Range Lake) Minister responsible for the (Sahtu) NWT Housing Corporation Minister responsible for Youth

______Officers Clerk of the Legislative Assembly Mr. Tim Mercer

Deputy Clerk Principal Clerk, Principal Clerk, Committee Clerk Law Clerks Committees and Corporate and Trainee Public Affairs Interparliamentary Affairs Mr. Doug Schauerte Mr. Michael Ball Ms. Gail Bennett Mrs. Danielle Mager Ms. Sheila MacPherson Ms. Malinda Kellett Mr. Glen Rutland ______Box 1320 Yellowknife, Northwest Territories Tel: (867) 669-2200 Fax: (867) 920-4735 Toll-Free: 1-800-661-0784 http://www.assembly.gov.nt.ca Published under the authority of the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories 4

1) TABLE OF CONTENTS

PRAYER...... 6659

MINISTERS' STATEMENTS...... 6659

232-17(5) – Government of the Northwest Territories’ Response to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s Calls to Action (B. McLeod)6659

233-17(5) – Department of Environment and Natural Resources Strategic Plan 2015-2020 (Miltenberger)...... 6660

234-17(5) – Dredging the Port of Hay River (Beaulieu)...... 6660

235-17(5) – Minister Absent from the House (B. McLeod)...... 6661

MEMBERS' STATEMENTS...... 6661

Utilizing the Former Hay River Hospital Building (Groenewegen)...... 6661

GNWT Workforce Management (Dolynny)...... 6661

Dredging of the Hay River (Bouchard)...... 6662

Discontinuation of Handivan Services (Nadli)...... 6662

Action Plan for Persons with Disabilities (Hawkins)...... 6663

Action Plan for Persons with Disabilities (Bisaro)...... 6663

Bootlegging and the Sale of Illegal Drugs (Moses)...... 6664

Post-Devolution Legislation Review (Bromley)...... 6664

Mackenzie Valley Highway (Yakeleya)...... 6665

Fort Simpson Health Centre Replacement (Menicoche)...... 6665

Parking Concerns at Moose Kerr School in Aklavik (Blake)...... 6665

RECOGNITION OF VISITORS IN THE GALLERY...... 6666

ORAL QUESTIONS...... 6667

TABLING OF DOCUMENTS...... 6677 NOTICES OF MOTION...... 6678

Motion 50-17(5) – Medical Travel Policy (Yakeleya)...... 6678

MOTIONS...... 6678

Motion 48-17(5) – Northwest Territories Disabilities Services (Bromley)...... 6678

FIRST READING OF BILLS...... 6687

Bill 70 – Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), 2016-2017...... 6687

SECOND READING OF BILLS...... 6687

Bill 69 – An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 2 6687

Bill 70 – Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), 2016-2017...... 6688

CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE OF BILLS AND OTHER MATTERS 6688

REPORT OF COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE...... 6697

THIRD READING OF BILLS...... 6697

Bill 70 – Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), 2016-2017...... 6697

ORDERS OF THE DAY...... 6698 October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 6

YELLOWKNIFE, NORTHWEST TERRITORIES Monday, October 5, 2015 Members Present Hon. Glen Abernethy, Hon. Tom Beaulieu, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Blake, Mr. Bouchard, Mr. Bromley, Mr. Dolynny, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Hawkins, Hon. Jackie Jacobson, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. Menicoche, Hon. Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Moses, Mr. Nadli, Hon. David Ramsay, Mr. Yakeleya

and continue to suffer from the direct The House met at 1:30 p.m. impacts of residential school abuse. There is a growing understanding that 2) Prayer we must address this legacy now. It is our duty to help support those with ---Prayer lifelong scars to find closure. SPEAKER (Hon. Jackie Jacobson): Half of the population of the Northwest Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Territories is Aboriginal. We all know Ministers’ statements. Honourable someone who has suffered the direct Premier, Mr. McLeod. impact of residential school abuse. Many of their families and loved ones 3) Ministers’ Statements continue to be affected due to the MINISTER'S STATEMENT 232-17(5): physical, mental and sexual abuses GOVERNMENT OF THE NORTHWEST endured at the hands of the residential TERRITORIES’ RESPONSE TO THE school experience. It is imperative to the TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION success of the Northwest Territories and COMMISSION’S CALLS TO ACTION its people, socially, culturally, economically, and spiritually, that HON. BOB MCLEOD: Mr. Speaker, the reconciliation takes place. No one is Truth and Reconciliation Commission is immune to the impact of our shared an important milestone in Canada’s history nor should anyone be left out of history. The release of their report, our shared future. Honouring the Truth, Reconciling the Future, this past June has moved the The Northwest Territories continues to national discussion to reconciliation and be a model for the rest of the country provided tangible actions that need to not only through our policy be taken. It has compelled Canadians to recognize and accept the history of our young nation. The discussion is no of respect, recognition and responsibility longer about whether the residential but through our many programs and school experience happened or not. services. Reconciliation is about building What it is about is this: Aboriginal a nation where mutual respect between people in Canada have suffered from Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal peoples October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 7 exists. In order for this to happen, there done in the Northwest Territories and in must be recognition and acceptance of Canada. the past, acknowledgement of the harm In our response, the Government of the inflicted, atonement for the causes, and Northwest Territories commits to further action to achieve change. The need for action aimed at achieving reconciliation. reconciliation in Canada is urgent. We will work with our residents and Mr. Speaker, included with the Truth Aboriginal governments in our territory. and Reconciliation Commission’s final We will work with our partners report were 94 recommendations as throughout Canada, including sharing Calls to Action. Since its release, our with them the residential schools government departments have looked at curriculum we developed in partnership each of the recommendations and have with Nunavut. It’s long overdue that we considered how we could – and should work together, as one nation, to – respond to those not only directed to encourage positive and concrete steps the Government of the Northwest forward along the path of reconciliation. Territories but also those where a As the 17th Legislative Assembly comes national dialogue and response is to a close, I am certain that our needed. While we are already government will continue to play a role responding to many recommendations, in other ways that support Aboriginal we recognize much work still needs to people not only in the Northwest be done. Territories but across Canada. We will Later today, I will table Meeting the continue to participate at national Challenge of Reconciliation: The forums such as the Roundtable on Government of the Northwest Missing and Murdered Indigenous Territories’ Response to the Truth and Women and Girls, to build relationships Reconciliation Commission’s Calls to with Aboriginal governments in the spirit Action. This document is a way for our of respect, recognition and government to value the work of the responsibility. Truth and Reconciliation Commission Mr. Speaker, I want to acknowledge the and for us to say that we have heard contribution of Commissioner Marie and we will continue to take actions. We Wilson to the Truth and Reconciliation owe it to our people. We owe it to Commission, to the people of Canada Aboriginals across this country. and to the people of the Northwest Meeting the Challenge is intended to be Territories. On their behalf, I would like our initial response to the to thank Marie for her service and recommendations outlined in Calls to assure her the people of the Northwest Action. The response highlights the Territories will continue to be partners in many actions that the Government of reconciliation. the Northwest Territories has taken, I look forward to seeing the benefit of from recognizing Aboriginal languages reconciliation in our communities and and funding Aboriginal governments to across our country. Thank you, Mr. revitalize them, to mandating curriculum Speaker. on the residential school experience. However, this response is just the beginning and there is more work to be October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 8

MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. program and service delivery. The Premier. Honourable Minister of ENR, strategic plan and associated action Mr. Miltenberger. plan will replace the Framework for Action. These documents will be flexible MINISTER'S STATEMENT 233-17(5): and adaptable to changing DEPARTMENT OF circumstances and priorities. Thank you, ENVIRONMENT Mr. Speaker. AND NATURAL RESOURCES MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. STRATEGIC PLAN 2015-2020 Miltenberger. Honourable Minister of HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: Mr. Transportation, Mr. Beaulieu. Speaker, I am pleased to present the Department of Environment and Natural MINISTER'S STATEMENT 234-17(5): Resources, or ENR, Strategic Plan for DREDGING THE PORT OF HAY 2015-2020. This strategic plan, which RIVER will be tabled later today, establishes a HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Mr. Speaker, I vision, mission, values, goals and wish to provide additional information to objectives for the department. The supplement my responses given during strategic plan incorporates the new oral question period on September 29, responsibilities of ENR post- Devolution. 2015, regarding dredging the port of The 2015-2020 ENR Strategic Plan Hay River. The Department of aligns with government policies, Transportation has received a response including the ENR Establishment Policy, from Fisheries and Oceans Canada to and the GNWT Sustainable our most recent letter requesting Development Policy and the Land Use dredging and federal marine facility and Sustainability Framework. maintenance. The development of the ENR Strategic The Government of the Northwest Plan was a collaborative exercise. Territories is keenly aware of the critical Opportunities were provided for all ENR need to restore the east channel of the regional and headquarters staff to Hay River and its approaches from engage and provide input into the Great Slave Lake back to safe marine development of this planning document navigating conditions. for the department. The Department of Transportation has An action plan, which sets out strategic repeatedly identified Canada’s program priorities and key action items responsibility for maintaining safe with measurable targets, is planned to navigation conditions throughout the be tabled during the February session to Mackenzie River Corridor in numerous ensure alignment with priorities set by contacts with the federal government. th the 18 Assembly. ENR will continue to In the mid-1990s, the federal engage and consult with its partners on government accepted the programs and services, consistent with recommendation of the federal Standing its past and current approach. Committee on Transport, Infrastructure The 2015-2020 ENR Strategic Plan sets and Communities that the private sector the stage for ENR to better coordinate and entities benefitting financially from its various responsibilities and improve dredging should assume responsibility the efficiency and effectiveness of for this work. As a result, the national October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 9 dredging program was discontinued, solutions. This includes accessing other except in international waterways where sources of funding that might be Canada has a shared responsibility with available from the federal government, the United States. while continuing to respect the ongoing As a result of this decision, Canada roles and responsibilities of all levels of stopped the dredging program on the government, the private sector and Mackenzie marine system in 1993 and other stakeholders. Dredging is not just transferred the dredging equipment to a Hay River issue but a territorial one. the Town of Hay River, who eventually Other communities have dredging sold the equipment to a variety of needs as well. private interests. The federal In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, the government has not performed any Department of Transportation will dredging since this program was continue to work with our partners to cancelled. maintain a safe and effective marine In 1995 Transport Canada issued the system for the Northwest Territories. National Marine Policy divesting itself of Thank you, Mr. Speaker. major ports. Ownership and MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. responsibility for the remote northern Beaulieu. Honourable Premier, Mr. marine facilities critical to the supply and McLeod. delivery of essential goods to communities, the military and industry MINISTER'S STATEMENT 235-17(5): was transferred to the Department of MINISTER ABSENT FROM THE Fisheries and Oceans. HOUSE The federal government constructed HON. BOB MCLEOD: Mr. Speaker, I and still owns the community resupply wish to advise Members that the facilities in the NWT. In the early 1990s, Honourable Jackson Lafferty will be Canada and the GNWT entered into a absent from the House today to attend a memorandum of understanding to funeral. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. conduct the annual maintenance of MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. these federal facilities on their behalf. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The MOU arrangement continued until Member for Hay River South, Mrs. 2013-14, when Canada advised the Groenewegen. GNWT it would be cancelled Mr. Speaker, while the Northwest 4) Members’ Statements Territories no longer maintains the MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON marine system on behalf of the federal UTILIZING THE FORMER government, we still have a role to play. HAY RIVER HOSPITAL We recognize the importance of a viable BUILDING harbour in Hay River to the economic MRS. GROENEWEGEN: Thank you, well-being of the community, the region Mr. Speaker. My Member’s statement and the territory. In the upcoming today is on one of my very favourite months, we will convene a meeting of all topics. That is the hospital in Hay River, parties with an interest in the harbour not the new hospital but the old hospital. and begin working with them toward Mr. Speaker, every time we have October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 10 anticipated what we are going to do with There are many things that the old that piece of infrastructure once the new hospital could be used for. The other hospital is fully occupied, I have good news is that we have a window of adhered to my belief and my philosophy opportunity, because there’s 10 that just because it’s old doesn’t mean extended care beds in the old hospital it’s no good, and it’s actually not even right now and there’s been a slight delay that old. I was there for the ribbon on replacing those 10 extended care cutting. I never thought about the beds at the new wing of Woodland meaning of that. Manor, and thank you for that. We’re ---Laughter going to move those over there. That means we’re going to have this empty I really do believe that. Anyway, Mr. building, and there are so many needs Speaker, I’ve hit a brick wall because in the Northwest Territories, even the they say, “Hey, you want a new need for a territorial treatment centre. I hospital? You got a new hospital. Surely know treatment centre is not a word that you don’t expect the government to this government wants to hear about, maintain the old one.” Then I was in a but it is still a need. It is an expenditure. briefing about the Stanton Hospital and It’s an operations expenditure of this finally a light came on in my head. government to send people to Guess what? They are going to build a institutions in southern Canada. There is new hospital in Yellowknife but they’re money there. going to give the developers of the new hospital the old hospital. I thought the So, I don’t know where this would go, precedent has been set, the template is but I want to go back to Hay River with there. So now we, in Hay River, need to my colleague Mr. Bouchard. We would get together a partnership, a coalition, a like to talk to people in the community group of people in the community, who may want to think about what we perhaps some NGOs, and we need to could use that for and then I would like look as a group at what the old hospital this government to commit to giving Hay could be used for. I believe the River the same consideration they gave government might even participate in Yellowknife in terms of giving this the old Stanton Hospital to a certain coalition in partnership the old Stanton level that they’ve capped off. Hospital. We would like the same consideration. You’ve set the precedent If we were going to actually demolish now; the template’s there; we would like the old hospital in Hay River, there to move on that. We might just need a would be a technical review. There little money to hire a consultant to put would be the cost of demolition and our whole proposal together, but we’ll be other costs associated with that. What I in touch with you on that. Thank you would like to get a commitment for is very much, Mr. Speaker. could we get… Now the Minister of Health is pointing at the Minister of MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mrs. Public Works, and that’s why I laughed. Groenewegen. Member for Range Lake, Sorry. Mr. Dolynny. So, if we could get a commitment that would allow us to go into this project and consider what it could be used for. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 11

MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON We all know this administration was GOVERNMENT OF THE saddled with devolution responsibilities, NORTHWEST TERRITORIES so we need to evaluate how well all this WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT managed in comparison to the trends in MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Mr. workforce growth. Understandably, we Speaker. In keeping with my continuing saw a substantial growth in the number evaluation of the current administration, of GNWT employees with devolution today I wish to talk about our growth in implementation. This is a given. But this the GNWT workforce. contributed to the GNWT’s workforce to rise above 12 percent of the total NWT It is a known fact that managing the size population for the first time in our post- of government is an important divisional history. component of fiscal performance. Compensation and benefits for However, as I indicated earlier, even government’s departments, boards and before devolution this percentage of agencies account for approximately 40 workforce growth was rising moderately percent of the GNWT’s spending on and trending at a much higher operations. With the 2015-2016 average percentage than the previous three costs of compensation and benefits for a Assemblies. It is therefore my government employee at more than conclusion that although we saw $100,000 per year, we should give this reasonable stewardship of the some attention today. devolution responsibilities as a percentage of workforce growth The GNWT workforce, which includes management, it is with the overall trend boards and agencies, has grown 30.7 and management that I have a concern percent from 2000 to 2015 to a total of with. It is under this evaluation 5,438 employees projected for the 2015- framework that I recognize the 16 year. But when you isolate just management of growth of the GNWT boards and agencies, they have grown workforce for this McLeod government somewhat more than GNWT to be at a B minus grade. Thank you, departments at the 33.1 percent Mr. Speaker. respectively, although this rate of growth is significantly lower than the growth of MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. operation spending, as I said earlier, at Dolynny. Member for Hay River North, 115 percent, and our revenue at 149 Mr. Bouchard. percent during that same period. MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON Mr. Speaker, looking at this all from DREDGING OF THE HAY RIVER another angle, we need only to review GNWT employees as a percentage of MR. BOUCHARD: Thank you, Mr. the NWT population as a whole. If you Speaker. It’s been four years since I’ve look back to the 16th Legislative wanted to see a Minister’s statement on Assembly, we witnessed a decrease in dredging the port at Hay River. Amen. this relationship, and it’s not until the Hallelujah. We’ve finally got a statement start of the 17th Legislative Assembly that made that point. where we see a steady and modest We know the federal government is still trend upwards in our workforce growth. not there and now at least the territorial government is listening. The crack of the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 12 door is open. Now we need to kick that can attend appointments, take job door open and get this project going. interviews, shop for groceries and Last week I was talking about the fact complete other daily activities, all with that we are building roads, which used ease and at reduced cost. to be a federal responsibility, 75 federal, Once, Enterprise residents also had 25 for the territorial. If our federal access to these services, but the hamlet partners aren’t going to kick in the door has had this access cut off for more and get this thing going, let’s throw our than the last year. That’s not because 25 percent in. Let’s get a project where the organizers want to. It’s because the we can get this dredging of the Hay organization can’t afford it. They are in a River done. funding crunch. I appreciate the statement and I There is absolutely no doubt that these appreciate the gesture, but a meeting? services are much needed and well In four years it took us to get a used. It’s estimated that there are more statement that we’re going to have a than 100 pick-ups per month and more meeting? We need to get more results than 30 regular users, plus other clients than that. We need to have a plan. I’ve who use a service on and off. been asking this territorial government In the past the GNWT has said that this to come together with a plan on the type of funding would be a municipal costs and how we can go forward from responsibility, but the GNWT must there. We need more than just a reconsider this position. Handivan meeting. We need to get results. services in Hay River and surrounding I will have questions for the Minister on communities, including Enterprise, how we get this done sooner than later. provide a specialized transportation Thank you, Mr. Speaker. service to individuals with unique MR. SPEAKER: Amen. Thank you, Mr. medical needs. We must find a solution Bouchard. Member for Deh Cho, Mr. that will reinstate these services for our Nadli. residents. Without the handivan, what other options do residents with MEMBER'S STATEMENT ON disabilities have? DISCONTINUATION OF I’ll have questions for the Minister of HANDIVAN SERVICES Health and Social Services at the MR. NADLI: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. appropriate time. Mahsi. Today I must raise a serious concern MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Nadli. brought to me by some of my Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. constituents. The Hay River Committee Hawkins. for Persons with Disabilities and the NWT Council for Persons with MEMBER'S STATEMENT ON Disabilities work together to provide ACTION PLAN FOR PERSONS handivan services to Hay River WITH DISABILITIES residents. MR. HAWKINS: Thank you, Mr. This essential transportation service Speaker. In May of 2001, the Premier of helps people with disabilities or reduced the day then tasked a steering mobility. With handivan services they committee to develop a partnership that October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 13 would work on the issue of disabilities to Minister of the day presented to the promote inclusion of persons throughout House the NWT Action Plan for Persons the Northwest Territories through their with Disabilities, it was a leap forward. disabilities. With that task force, they But that’s as far as it went. Since that devolved through their Disability time, begrudgingly, the NWT Council for Steering Committee, they developed a Disabilities has been trying to follow up partnership that identified five key areas, to find out where it’s gone. They had and I suspect my good colleague to my one question, which was: what’s been left, Ms. Bisaro, will be referring to them accomplished? Other than a flurry of as well. activity and scrambling for a little bit of Under education: ensuring the… excitement, little has been shown for the (inaudible)…free lifelong learning great report that was put together to opportunities that maximize the potential change and improve the lives of people of individuals with disabilities are with disabilities. realized. The NWT Disabilities Council took it Under employment: enhance the upon themselves to get out there into employability of persons with disabilities, the communities, talk to service encourage re-entry into the labour agencies, reach out and find out what’s market and support more work really happening on the ground. They opportunities. found that there are so many people in the Northwest Territories – in the range Under income: design a system that is of 16 percent, I believe it is – 14.6 representative to the needs of persons percent of the population has a with disabilities and provides for an disability. income safety net which rewards individual’s work efforts to the greatest Although time is running out, this issue extent possible, but which provides is still vibrant and very important. Rather financial assistance if self-support is than me extending my Member’s impossible and insufficient to meet the statement, I’ll have my good colleague basic needs. to my left, Ms. Bisaro, pick up where I’ve left off. But it’s an important issue all the Under disability support the goal was to same. ensure that disability support provide for an active participation at home, at MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. school, in the community and they Hawkins. Ms. Bisaro. maximize personal and economic independence. MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON ACTION PLAN FOR PERSONS Finally, the fifth area was housing, a WITH DISABILITIES goal to ensure that persons with disabilities will be provided with a range MS. BISARO: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. of housing opportunities that are The history on this particular issue bears affordable, accessible and that repeating, so there may be some things maximizes their independence. which are said twice here. At the time it was very forward thinking Fourteen years ago the Premier of the and all those involved should be day recognized the importance of applauded, but in 2008, when the providing services for persons with disabilities in the NWT. There was an October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 14 acknowledgement that there were gaps respondents. Their findings were and that something needed to be done published earlier this year. to close those gaps. By 2004 a Unfortunately, of the 100 needs framework had been developed and identified in 2001, most have seen little some 100 needs identified, and those or no action since 2007. The NWT needs were placed into the five building Disabilities Services Project was blocks of the framework, as mentioned provided to government some months by my colleague: education, housing, ago, but the council has heard nothing employment, income, and disability back on either the contents of the report supports. or the five recommendations in it. Sometime after 2004, work began on an I seek unanimous consent to conclude action plan to address the needs of my statement. disabled persons. The NWT Action Plan for Persons with Disabilities was ---Unanimous consent granted published in 2008. The plan’s intention MS. BISARO: The government mindset was to remove barriers for persons with from the previous decade seems to still disabilities in the NWT. Alas, that did not exist where the issue of services for happen. Since 2008 we’ve seen and disabled persons is concerned. The heard of very little action on the action issue is still in that black hole. But it plan. Why is that? Is it the same must be removed from that black hole. situation as homelessness was in a few The decade of inaction has to be years ago? No one has full replaced with a commitment to action. responsibility, several unconnected We have 5,000 to 6,000 persons with people and departments doing what disabilities in the NWT and about 50 they can off the corner of their desks? I percent of them are seniors. We have a suspect so. half-finished action plan. We have In 2012 the executive director of the residents who need better programs and NWT Disabilities Council highlighted the services so they can lead a better life. lack of action on the items in the action It’s not too late to act. This Assembly plan at the council’s annual general can send a message to the 18th meeting. Again, no action by Assembly. We can tell them, make a government. commitment to our disabled persons, My colleague Mr. Moses asked make the provision of programs and questions of the Health and Social services a priority, take steps to address Services Minister in June of 2013. their needs. We can do this, and I look Again, no action on the action plan. forward to Members sending this message when we debate the motion Recognition that something needs to be later today. done for NWT’s disabled residents seems to have disappeared into a black MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Ms. hole. Last year a frustrated Disabilities Bisaro. The Member for Inuvik Boot Council set out to evaluate the 2008 Lake, Mr. Moses. plans and conducted a very extensive survey of the state of disabled persons in the NWT. They reached into every community but one, and heard from 321 October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 15

MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON youth, selling to our elders, selling to BOOTLEGGING AND THE those who are battling addictions. SALE OF ILLEGAL DRUGS We can start by pushing a lot of funding, MR. MOSES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. a lot more work into prevention and Over the course of this Assembly I have promotion, doing the education, creating stood up on many occasions to speak to more awareness within our people to a very serious issue throughout the get them understanding how they can Northwest Territories. That is dealing in take a big step against this issue. I know our small communities, specifically in we’ve done stuff here in the House such the areas of bootlegging and the drug as the Victims of Crimes Act, seizing deals that continue to plague our property and those kinds of things. Plus residents of the Northwest Territories we’ve done a really strong campaign in and continue to target our youth and our the Sahtu and here in Yellowknife. most vulnerable in our small We’ve got to get people in the communities. Obviously, as a result, Northwest Territories to understand, and there are devastating effects not only on the drug dealers and the bootleggers, our residents but our families, our that this is not acceptable, it’s not going communities, and the territory as a to happen in the Northwest Territories. whole. I will have questions for the Minister of When we hear about tragedies, whether Justice later about how he can support they’re accidental, suicides, homicides, our small communities to get the crime, violent crime, it all hits everybody bootleggers and the drug dealers out of very close because we’re a small the community. Thank you. territory and a small population. When MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Moses. you think about some of these crimes The Member for Weledeh, Mr. Bromley. where people are profiting off of some of our most vulnerable in the communities, MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON you only have a handful of liquor stores POST-DEVOLUTION in the Northwest Territories, yet we still LEGISLATION REVIEW continue to have crime and other issues MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Mr. happening in our small communities. Speaker. The Premier’s proclaimed Somehow the liquor is getting in there, legacy of the 17th is devolution of powers the drugs are getting in there and we’ve from the federal government to the got to find a way to address this issue a people of the North, but this claim lot sooner than later. remains a mirage, something shaky and I bring this up only because we continue blurry seen on a far off horizon. Like so to see it, we continue to hear about it many of the pickles we find ourselves in and we need people in the Northwest and leaving for the 18th to deal with, we Territories to speak up. We need people allowed Mr. Harper to dictate our in the Northwest Territories to empower actions. The results are no surprise: and support one another to let the First Nations groups left out in the cold, RCMP and their leaders know who are federal legislation on which to manage doing these acts of crime in the our lands and resources, a government community by bootlegging, selling to our that listens to Northerners worse than October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 16

Ottawa does. Are our people better off Legislation inherited from the federal now than before devolution? I think not. government needs to be redrafted and Devolve and evolve, the Premier said. assigned to the respective committees We will make it made-in-the-North of this Legislature for review. It needs to legislation entirely our own, and once be assigned to committees and the federal legislation had been presented to the people in plain adopted, he even sponsored a website language for community hearings, over the summer so people could give discussions, debate and amendment. up their time to wade through the highly Until then and until all First Nation technical laws and sets of regulations. governments have signed on, any So, dedicated souls actually did declaration of devolution is premature comment, but to no effect. The public and, indeed, misleading. soon discerned that this was a hollow This government is leaving an awful lot offer, a political gesture and the McLeod of heavy lifting for the next Assembly. government had no intent to make this Sadly, it is clear that making devolution legislation our own. a reality can be added to that list. Mahsi. It remains incomprehensible to me that MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. we can mirror federal legislation without Bromley. The Member for Sahtu, Mr. any plan to have an immediate and Yakeleya. thorough review of it by the people of the Northwest Territories. What MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON concerns me now is that this MACKENZIE VALLEY HIGHWAY government is finding the Harper MR. YAKELEYA: Thank you, Mr. approach of control and direction much Speaker. Some time ago when I was more to their liking than taking things to reading a book, one of the sentences the people and responding to the public that I read from the author asked the voice. We now hear our leaders parrot audience, he said to the audience, “How the same old things as Ottawa. We do you eat an elephant?” One piece at a need to streamline, reduce regulations time was the response. I want to use that were designed to protect the land that phrase in the ways how do you and ensure local control of the pace and build a highway? One section at a time. scale of development. We need to pass The Sahtu is hungry for a highway. laws that subsidize multi-nationals and We’ve been waiting. It’s about time that allow us to get in bed with them to build we come into the 21st century. them big costly infrastructure, or even to train wee children’s minds with Over the weekend I went to Norman corporate logos seen from birth Wells. I purchased 10 kilograms of flour onwards, all to let the extractive industry here at Walmart, $11.97. In Norman have their own way rather than to Wells it’s $45. Same bag, same maximize public benefit. kilograms, big difference. People in the Sahtu need a highway. We have heard How about distributive income, from the federal government: one addressing disparate income? How highway at a time. So, I ask this about environmentally and socially government, get that highway to Tuk responsible development? So, what is built so we can start in the Sahtu region. required? Open up our resources. There’s a huge October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 17 population of young people who want to This is a 40-year-old building that needs work. We have a potential of wealth of to be replaced sooner than later. A new resources sitting there: our people. facility will improve the quality of health That’s the potential. There’s potential in care delivery to Fort Simpson and resources. Our people are hungry for region. With a new building and new work. They want a highway. modern health equipment, we can I know there was a submission made to deliver better services. the Minister of Transportation’s The health centre was red flagged for government to start doing section by the past two years, meaning that the section. People are needing to work facility was to be built at the next desperately. It’s time to unleash the opportunity. It was our own engineers potential of the people in the Sahtu. who recommended a replacement due Connect us to the rest of the Northwest to its age and increasing maintenance Territories. Bring down the cost of living. costs, so we all are on the same page. Families want to go out, but you can We all believed in the importance of only go out during the winter months, replacing this facility. Why is this facility but then it means the cost of education, now moved seven years into the future? or taking time off. I’ll be asking the Minister of Public People want to develop their skills, build Works and Services questions at the their roads, build their destination. They appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. want to be part of the Northwest Speaker. Territories, not always sitting on the MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. sideline. Menicoche. Member for Mackenzie I’ll have questions for the Minister on Delta, Mr. Blake. where is our highway for the Sahtu. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. PARKING CONCERNS AT Yakeleya. Member for Nahendeh, Mr. MOOSE KERR SCHOOL IN Menicoche. AKLAVIK MR. BLAKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MEMBER’S STATEMENT ON Last year the hamlet council in Aklavik FORT SIMPSON HEALTH issued a notice to all public places in the CENTRE REPLACEMENT community to provide safer parking MR. MENICOCHE: Thank you very areas to protect people and property. much, Mr. Speaker. Myself and This is an urgent concern at Moose Kerr residents of Fort Simpson are looking School. forward to the completion of the As I told my colleagues in the House planning study for the replacement of last week, Moose Kerr School can only the Fort Simpson Health Centre. During offer parking on the road. This makes this session, while we deliberated the navigating the school property capital plans, I was very disappointed to dangerous for students, teachers and see the project on the books seven visitors, not to mention more difficult for years from now during the budget of drivers. 2022-2023. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 18

The hamlet council has obtained a Gardlund from Yellowknife, and we have quote for the work needed to solve this Stacie Bengts from Yellowknife, and we problem. Costs are estimated at also have two staff members who work $27,000, but the budget of the Aklavik very hard at making sure the program District Education Authority is limited, runs smoothly. We’ve got Colinda with no extra money to take on a project Blondin and we have Dawn Moses. So, such as this. we’ll welcome all to the gallery and As I said last week, we must be recognize the achievement. proactive, not reactive. This kind of We also have, from Inuvik Twin Lakes, roadwork can’t wait until a student is Jeannie Snowshoe. Welcome to the injured. It has to be done now to prevent gallery. accidents and injuries and to make MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Moose Kerr School a safer place to be. McLeod. Mr. Abernethy. My questions today will be for our HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Thank you, Premier. I will be asking the Premier to Mr. Speaker. I want to take this direct the department to look into this opportunity to recognize all of the Pages urgent need and find a way to help build who are providing us such incredible angle parking that will solve this problem services here in the Legislative for a safer school in Aklavik. Thank you, Assembly. They liquidated us well. Mr. Speaker. That’s not the right word, but you know MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Blake. what I mean. Hydrated. Properly Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, hydrated. Liquidated, that’s good, eh? recognition of visitors in the gallery. You like that? They keep us properly hydrated; they keep the information 5) Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery flowing; so I really want to take an opportunity to thank all the Pages and, Before I open up the floor, I’d like to in particular, a Page from the Great welcome my sister-in-law, Ms. Vivian Slave Riding, Kelsy Nayally. Welcome Edgi-Manuel, to the House. Welcome. to the Chamber and thank you so much. Mr. McLeod. I also want to recognize a constituent of HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: Thank you, the Great Slave riding who has joined us Mr. Speaker. I have stood up many the last couple of days, Mr. Kieron times and talked about the value of our Testart. Thank you. Youth Ambassador Program. I’m very MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. proud today to have a number of our Abernethy. Mr. Beaulieu. youth ambassadors up in the gallery. They were receiving, I think it was the HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Mahsi cho, Mr. th 2015 Pan Am Games team was Speaker. Today we celebrate the 5 receiving the Minister’s Culture and Annual Minister’s Culture and Heritage Heritage Circle Award, so we’re awfully Circle. In Minister Lafferty’s absence, I proud of their accomplishment. We have would like to recognize the recipients of four youth up there representing the this year’s awards. In the Youth youth ambassadors. We’ve got Jacob category: the 2015 Pan Am and Peffer from Inuvik, we’ve got Ryan Parapan Am NWT Youth Ambassadors. Tourangeau from Fort Smith, Karl Of the 32 youth ambassadors from October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 19 across the NWT, there are four here recognize a couple of people quickly. today representing the group: Stacie First off, I’d like to recognize a Bengts of Yellowknife, Ryan constituent of mine, Ms. Karen Wright- Tourangeau of Fort Smith, Jacob Peffer Fraser. I’ve know her for a very long of Inuvik, Karl Gardlund of Yellowknife. time. We all know Karen is a wonderful In the Elder category: Jeanna Graham woman who is a timeless talent of the from the Hay River Reserve. Individual ages in the art of Gwich’in traditional category: Berna Beaulieu from arts and crafts, so she is certainly a hero Behchoko. Group category: Yellowknife to her community and women alike in Ukrainian Association. The award was her amazing talents. To that, I give a accepted today by Donna Marie great nod. Ouellette and Trisha Graham Minister’s The other person I’d like to quickly Choice category: Vivian Edgi-Manuel of recognize is Denise McKee. She is up in Fort Good Hope. Thank you, Mr. the gallery here today and I suspect she Speaker. is here for the motion that will be on the MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. floor later today. She is the executive Beaulieu. Mr. Dolynny. director of the NWT Disabilities Council. MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Mr. If Denise doesn’t pull you aside, I’ll Speaker. Mr. Speaker, through you and remind you that the 2015 Annual Benefit th to you, I’d like to introduce one of our Auction is November 20 at the YK Inn. recipients, we’ve heard earlier today, for See you soon. the Ukrainian award, and that is a MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. member of Range Lake, Trisha Graham. Hawkins. Mr. Nadli. Thank you for joining us today. MR. NADLI: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. I’d like to recognize Ms. Jeanna Graham Dolynny. Mr. Yakeleya. from the K’atlodeeche First Nation. MR. YAKELEYA: Thank you, Mr. Jeanna is an elder who was recognized Speaker. I would also like to in the Minister’s culture awards. At the congratulate Ms. Vivian Edgi-Manuel for same time, Jeanna serves on the band her prestigious award on the Minister’s council, as well, on the K’atlodeeche Choice for Culture. She has done a First Nation. As well, to all the recipients wonderful job. of the Minister’s culture awards, I’d like to extend congratulations. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. Menicoche. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Mr. Bouchard. MR. MENICOCHE: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize MR. BOUCHARD: Thank you, Mr. Jasmine Hardisty, my constituency Speaker. I’d like to acknowledge Elsie assistant from Fort Simpson who is Bouvier, one of my constituents, who is chaperoning the Fort Simpson Pages proud to be with her friend Jeanna, who this week. Welcome to the gallery. won an award today at the Culture and Heritage Circle Awards. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Mr. Hawkins. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Bouchard. Mr. Bromley. MR. HAWKINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 20

MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Mr. Wright-Fraser. Welcome to the Speaker. I’d like to recognize Weledeh proceedings and congratulations to all constituent Dawn Moses. Dawn I don’t the award winners here today. think is the sister of my colleague here. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Dawn is actually a Jane Glassco Moses. The honourable Premier, Mr. Northern Fellow of the Walter and McLeod. Duncan Gordon Foundation in policy and leadership development, so I am HON. BOB MCLEOD: Thank you, Mr. very proud to have her as a constituent. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Ted Blondin, the chair of the Tlicho I’d also like to recognize any other Community Services Agency. Welcome Weledeh constituents I’m not aware of to the Assembly. in the audience and also, of course, congratulate all those who are winners MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. of the Culture and Heritage Awards. McLeod. Also, I’d like to welcome Mr. Jacob Peffer, my friend and ordering all I’d also like to recognize Denise McKee my skidoo parts every year. Thank you and all her work on behalf of the people for all the hard work. Then my daughter with disabilities. Mahsi. Kirstin Jacobson here in the House MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. today. Bromley. Mr. Moses. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral MR. MOSES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. questions. The Member for Weledeh, There are a few people I’d like to Mr. Bromley. recognize here today. First, a young gentleman who has really come a long 6) Oral Questions way and is a good role model in the community of Inuvik, Mr. Jacob Peffer, QUESTION 919-17(5): as well as all the other youth DISCUSSION PAPER ON ambassadors receiving the Minister’s ENERGY EFFICIENCY ACT Culture and Heritage Circle Awards MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Mr. today. Obviously, that program could not Speaker. I would like to follow up on have been done without great questions I started last week with the leadership. I’d like to recognize Ms. Minister of Public Works and Services Colinda Blondin and Dawn Moses for all on the Energy Efficiency Act and the work that they do. In a previous job, discussion paper. The other day the I know the hard work that goes into Minister outlined some of things we making the program successful. have done to reduce energy I’d also like to recognize Ms. Jeanna consumption. I was pleased to hear of Graham. In another job that I had as a that progress. However, we’ve got a CHR and tobacco coordinator for the long overdue Energy Efficiency Act and territory, we did a lot of work together, a commitment to getting that in place. and she was a very strong advocate for Since we didn’t do that, we committed to the people of Hay River and Hay River at least doing a discussion paper. Reserve. Where is that promised document for our review? Mahsi. As well, a couple of relatives of mine, Ms. Jeannie Snowshoe and Ms. Karen MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Bromley. The Minister for the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 21

Department of Public Works, Mr. Minister could share with us what are Beaulieu. the major elements that the paper will HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Thank you. address when finally delivered. Mahsi. The discussion paper on the Energy HON. TOM BEAULIEU: I don’t have Efficiency Act has been drafted. The that information with me, but I am Department of Public Works is now prepared to have the department share consulting with the other departments the major elements. I can provide a that are impacted by the act. After that briefing in written form to the committee they will then be discussing that more that will highlight all of the major broadly. I think that by the time the elements that we’re looking at in this department finishes looking at the Energy Efficiency Act. discussion paper it will probably be in MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. the next Assembly, but the discussion Beaulieu. Final, short supplementary, paper has definitely been drafted. Thank Mr. Bromley. you. MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Mr. MR. BROMLEY: Another commitment Speaker. The Minister has indicated he not made and this is what’s slowing us was prepared to answer my questions, down on our work to deal with the cost so I’m wondering how the Minister sees of living, environmental issues and so this legislation helping us to reduce our on and causing people to leave or not cost of living, our energy and electricity come to the North. So, very bills and our energy consumption. disappointing. Mahsi. I’m wondering: will the paper, should it HON. TOM BEAULIEU: As a result of be done soon, as the Minister indicates the act, the department will be able to th it might be, actually prepare the 18 develop a lot of the policies that would Assembly to efficiently do what we have be directed to corporations, to be not done, and that is put an effective directed to the government, directed to and timely act into place. the public on ways that they can reduce So, will the promised discussion paper energy costs right across the territory be comprehensive, ready and waiting and all aspects of our business. I’m and enabling for the 18th Assembly as hopeful that this act will allow they begin their work? Mahsi. government to work with the public and HON. TOM BEAULIEU: That is the with industry in all areas to allow plan, that we do present a discussion everybody to become more efficient paper that’s thorough to the next energy-wise. Thank you. Assembly and that a lot of the legwork MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. will be completed in the discussion Beaulieu. The Member for Hay River paper. Hopefully, once that is done, South, Mrs. Groenewegen. soon after the next government they will start to move forward with the act. QUESTION 920-17(5): Thank you. DISPOSITION OF THE MR. BROMLEY: Given that the whole FORMER HAY RIVER HOSPITAL government can see this except this MRS. GROENEWEGEN: Thank you, side of the House, I’m wondering if the Mr. Speaker. I know that there is a pre- October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 22 set method by which capital assets are proposal coming forward, the disposed of by this government. To the government would be pleased to look at fact that the hospital in Hay River, the the proposal. Thank you. old hospital, at some point in the next MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. two to three years, two years perhaps, Beaulieu. Member for Yellowknife will no longer be used by this Centre, Mr. Hawkins. government, I would like to ask the Minister of Public Works and Services if QUESTION 921-17(5): this government would entertain an ACTON PLAN FOR PERSONS unsolicited proposal from a community WITH DISABILITIES partnership coalition in Hay River for the MR. HAWKINS: Thank you, Mr. acquisition of that building and land. Speaker. My first question will be to the Thank you. Minister responsible for disabilities. In MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mrs. 2012 the NWT Disabilities Council Groenewegen. Minister of Public Works, asked for an update on the NWT Action Mr. Beaulieu. Plan for Disabilities. Part of their launch HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. of the action plan originally identified a Speaker. I didn’t believe that would be hundred concerns and they were further part of the regular disposition process. refined down to five particular themes. That would be first released by the Of course, things like education, Department of Health and Social employment, income, and disability Services, the building, then the second supportive housing were the themes part would be to see if any departments that they had refined them down to. in the government have any use for it, The question to the Minister is: When then after that it would be available for will there be a progress report on the NGOs. Thank you. success of that action plan and when MRS. GROENEWEGEN: We also will we see it either tabled in this House know that there’s been a precedent set or tabled publicly for us to move forward many times whereby the government on this initiative? Thank you. has made a contribution to create a MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. proposal for a program or activity, and a Hawkins, Mr. Abernethy. proposal would have to identify revenue HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Thank you, sources, potential sources of grants and Mr. Speaker. The departments have contributions to run a program. taken a number of actions to address a Would the government also entertain, number of recommendations that were please, a contribution agreement to in that report. The Department of Health such a coalition or partnership in Hay and Social Services, as an example, River to develop this property? Thank has included a number of the you. recommendations in many of the HON. TOM BEAULIEU: I can’t make a different strategies were dealing with, commitment from the Legislative like early childhood development. But I’d Assembly today to contribute to a be happy to pull together a summary of proposal, but we would be pleased to what we’ve done with respect to each of look at your proposal. If there’s a the action items in the different areas within the department and I will certainly October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 23 work with the other departments to pull needs of persons with disabilities. Thank that together. you, Mr. Speaker. We probably won’t be able to get that MR. HAWKINS: As my colleague had done in the next four days, but I will said, this is a multi-disciplinary issue. commit to having that available for the So, in other words, what that really is, is future government and the new government jargon that’s spread across Members coming in early in the life of multiple departments and it’s difficult to the next Assembly. Thank you, Mr. nail one person as responsible. Speaker. The initial action plan identified five key MR. HAWKINS: I certainly appreciate areas. I won’t go through them again, that answer. In 2014 the NWT but maybe the Minister can talk about Disabilities Council decided on their own how the department has helped facilitate initiative to conduct their own territory- better housing for people with wide survey. So, they reached out to disabilities and found ways to help them clients, caregivers and certainly work through poverty to ensure we can professionals obviously connected to get them back into the workforce to do disabilities. Their survey reached out to better things, because they want to be in more than 320 people in all communities a meaningful role in society and we but one. should be facilitating that. So let’s target My question for the Minister of Health the area of housing and how we’ve and Social Services is: What is the made their lives better. Department of Health doing with that HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: We are valuable survey information gathered by always working with the other the NWT Disabilities Council, and are departments, sharing technical expertise they able to put it into some type of use and information. and action, because it is incredibly With respect to housing, we have important information. Thank you. occupational therapists who are HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: I’ve available to do some assessments for reviewed that, as well, and it is an individuals to determine what, if incredibly good document. I do want to anything, they need in their individual applaud the NWT Disabilities Council for homes, grab bars, ramps, many other their initiative and incredibly hard work. things. So we do work with that. The As I’ve indicated, we’ve taken action on Housing Corp has put in a program – I a number of items that were in the initial believe it’s called CARE, but I’m not 100 action plan that was provided and percent sure and I will confirm that later they’ve been included in a different – where people can actually apply for strategies or different action items that money to do those ramps. We have we’ve been moving forward, like the occupational therapists and others who early childhood development. We’ve can come in and do assessments to done a significant amount of work determine what is needed in those around respite. Moving forward, the type homes. of information that was provided to us is Mr. Speaker, the Member may want to going to help us inform these different ask the Minister responsible for the program areas so that we’re meeting the Housing Corp a couple of these October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 24 questions, but they are also putting in This agreement is one of a series of housing throughout the Northwest labour market agreements successfully Territories and much of it is accessible negotiated between the GNWT, so that individuals who are living with particularly the Department of disabilities can have homes and access Education, Culture and Employment, to living units. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. and the Government of Canada with MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. some targeted initiatives for some older Abernethy. Final, short supplementary, workers and others. So, the Department Mr. Hawkins. of Education has taken a lead on this and has negotiated the agreement. MR. HAWKINS: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker. It was on the tip of my tongue on the last question, but I was trying to MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. find out if the Minister of Health and Abernethy. Member for Sahtu, Mr. Social Services was tasked with the Yakeleya. lead role on the Disability Steering Committee for these initiatives. So, he is QUESTION 922-17(5): somewhat responsible for all the areas. MACKENZIE VALLEY HIGHWAY My last question is really focused MR. YAKELEYA: Thank you, Mr. around employment, and some people Speaker. I want to ask my questions to say the best poverty plan is jobs, an the Minister of Transportation about action plan, creating employment for transportation in the Sahtu region, people. I did talk earlier in my statement specifically the Mackenzie Valley about stabilizing income and helping Highway. I know that the Tulita district people so they can have a meaningful has submitted a submission under the quality role in society that they so truly Community Access Program in an effort deserve and desire. to see that some work can get done in the region to prepare the young workers What is the Minister doing and what can to be ready once the Mackenzie Valley the Minister explain to this House that Highway is under construction, which is the department has done to help provide an initiative the federal government has opportunities for employment initiatives undertaken. to help people with disabilities live meaningful lives while they can Can the Minister update this House and contribute and make an income? Thank people in the Sahtu as to this you. community access proposal that has been submitted by the Tulita District HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: The Corporation? Department of Education, Culture and Employment has taken the lead on the MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Labour Market Agreement for Persons Yakeleya. Minister of Transportation, with Disabilities. The labour agreement Mr. Beaulieu. was signed with the Government of HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. Canada in February 2014 to provide Speaker. There are many aspects to the funding to better support education and Mackenzie Valley Highway. I recognize training and to put more employment that each of the groups are interested in participation for persons with disabilities. having an opportunity to train some of their people and start to build some October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 25 access to materials that they would Highway has been the Canyon Creek need to build a Mackenzie Valley Road. Canyon Creek Road will give Highway should we see approval. The people the ability, who are eventually Tulita district, I recognize that their going to be building the highway, to proposal, I believe is what the Member access material for the highway. is referring to, was to come south from Canyon Creek proposal has been Tulita to access the first gravel access reviewed, approved at our level, GNWT. further south, which I believe is 32 We’ve now included it in the overall kilometres. They are also looking at the Building Canada Plan bundle number possibility of staging the Mackenzie two. We are presenting three different Valley Highway, should we get approval. bundles to the government. We had That is staging the highway so that the bundle one approved last June. What Bear River Bridge would be the first we are hoping to do is have bundle two piece of the Mackenzie Valley Highway approved anywhere between January from Wrigley to Norman Wells. That and March of 2016, and we’re hoping as would give them a closer access to the soon as that’s approved, we will be able first bit of material, which would be on to start some construction on the the other side of the river from Tulita Canyon Creek Road. Thank you. and not too far away from Tulita. MR. YAKELEYA: That is good news With that, I know the department has and that it comes through from bundle been looking at all of the access road two and the approved Build Canada proposals, which is beyond the scope of projects. what we would consider community Does this give enough incentive for this access. These are access roads, more government to say we can look at a capital, that is working towards the proposed highway transportation office eventual construction of the Mackenzie in the Sahtu? Will that give enough to Valley Highway. Thank you. move your thinking to start planning a MR. YAKELEYA: Over the years the transportation office that’s needed in the people in the Sahtu, specifically the Sahtu? I have asked this question over Tulita District Corporation, have worked 100 times and I got 100 different for a number of years on a proposal to reasons why this government said no to look at building infrastructure. They a regional transportation office in the have looked from Norman Wells south Sahtu. Is this enough? Thank you. to Tulita. They actually put in the HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Prior to Canyon Creek proposal. potential construction of a Mackenzie Where is that proposal within the federal Valley Highway, we will have probable government’s infrastructure, capital opportunities to have year-round or an planning? Where is it in this independent region in Norman Wells government? What can the people would be of all of the major access expect from that proposal in the coming roads. We are talking about the access years from this government and our road and the new proposal that’s taking government? When can we start the access from Good Hope to Jackfish building our roads in the Sahtu? Lake, and the new proposal that would HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Another take the next step from Tulita south, and important part of the Mackenzie Valley also Canyon Creek. If all of those were October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 26 funded, there may be a lot of summer Sahtu to report to headquarters here in work that may be required in Yellowknife, and we had looked at that. conjunction. If that Mackenzie Valley Right now that would be a bit of hybrid was approved, there would be probably from what we’re doing. What we wanted enough work to have a highway section to do was continue to move forward on based in Norman Wells that could the Member’s demand to have basically ultimately become a region on its own. a highways section, a marine section MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. and an airport section all in a regional Beaulieu. Final, short supplementary, office. When we come to that Mr. Yakeleya. conclusion, the only highway basically is the winter road. So far what’s been MR. YAKELEYA: Thank you, Mr. happening is by servicing the winter Speaker. So that’s 100 no’s so far. I road out of Simpson, and placing people want to ask the Minister, given that the in the Sahtu throughout the whole winter lights are going to be closing pretty soon th road season seemed to be an effective on the 17 Assembly, and this is going way to deal with all of the DOT to be my third government that I’ve been operations in the Sahtu at this time. asking for a regional transportation office – this is the third one now – I want As I indicated, if there was more to ask if this is enough, you know that highway, like the Mackenzie Valley the work that is going to happen in the Highway, for sure that would become a Sahtu, to put even an interim or a part- possibility where there would be enough time or something to show that maybe volume of work in the Sahtu that we the next government will have the might could have an office in Norman Wells, and determination to say yes, we can do but today there just isn’t. this. I want to ask him if that’s something MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. that’s going to go into some report, Beaulieu. The Member for Mackenzie because after 12 years you still get a no Delta, Mr. Blake. from this government, as much as we could show it will be a while if you follow QUESTION 923-17(5): the Minister’s projection, it will be a PARKING SAFETY AT while before we get a full-time MOOSE KERR SCHOOL IN transportation office in the Sahtu. AKLAVIK I wonder how it would be if we had MR. BLAKE: m Thank you, Mr. something like that in Yellowknife where Speaker. Just in follow-up to my the regional office was in Behchoko or Member’s statement, I have some Gameti or Lutselk'e and see how they questions for the Premier. Will the like it. Premier ensure the Department of HON. TOM BEAULIEU: It’s more an Education, Culture and Employment issue of the volume of work. Right now, meets with the Aklavik District Education all of the airport divisions, the airports in Authority and Moose Kerr School to the regions all report to a regional investigate this problem with parking superintendent. One of the solutions and to find the funds needed? that the Member at one time proposed MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Blake. was that perhaps the first step would be The honourable Premier, Mr. McLeod. to move the airport operations in the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 27

HON. BOB MCLEOD: Thank you, Mr. provided to make sure this work is Speaker. As a government and the done? Department of ECE takes the concerns HON. BOB MCLEOD: The hamlet raised by the school representatives advised us that they needed to make very seriously, and of course, our some drainage improvements along one children and our students’ safety is of of the streets near the school, and they utmost concern. For that reason, we are see it as an opportunity to make some working closely with the Aklavik DEA as further enhancements to allow for some well as Public Works, and certainly, we off-street parking. The total cost for the will facilitate that work gets done to deal drainage improvements including with this issue. creating a leveled area for parking is in MR. BLAKE: I’d like to thank the the order of $32,000. This work will be Premier. That sounded like a definite done by the hamlet, and the hamlet has yes that this work will be completed. But infrastructure money to do that. Our we’ve had four months to ensure that Public Works and Services will this work is completed, and in the contribute surplus gravel for the angled Mackenzie Delta the ground is starting parking area and they will contribute to freeze. We are running out of time to something in the neighbourhood of build this parking lot. We’ll be lucky if we $3,000 worth of surplus gravel. have another week or two before MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. everything starts freezing up, the McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. material. You know, that makes costs go Blake. up slightly. I’d like to see this work completed within the next week or two if MR. BLAKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. the Premier can ensure that that This is clearly the government’s property happens. here. We’re putting a lot of burden on the community that have those funds HON. BOB MCLEOD: We first became designated for other projects. They have aware of this issue in the summer of done all the work to the drainage that is 2014 when the hamlet raised concerns needed. This property is Public Works’ with potential public safety issues. When property and I feel that these funds ECE met with the DEA in February of should come from this government, from 2015, the hamlet indicated that they Public Works, because that is their would use signage to restrict parking in building. the area around the school, and they put up appropriate signage to that effect. HON. BOB MCLEOD: Public Works But to fix the problem longer term, the consulted with ECE and the DEA. We hamlet has advised that they need to do have received confirmation that the some drainage improvements, so we hamlet is agreeable to establish some see the solution as being part of that, off-street parking in conjunction with the and certainly, we will follow up with them proposed drainage improvements. Now to see if we can get the work done this it’s a question of the timing. As the year. Member indicated, winter is coming, so we will follow up to see and to try to MR. BLAKE: Just so I’m very clear, will make sure that the work is done on a the Premier ensure that that $27,000 is timely basis. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 28

MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. and class C estimate and then used for McLeod. The Member for Nahendeh, the peer review committee. The peer Mr. Menicoche. review committee will be discussing the need, the capital need for the Fort QUESTION 924-17(5): Simpson Health Centre in comparison to FORT SIMPSON HEALTH all of the other capital needs put forward CENTRE REPLACEMENT by all of the departments. We’re MR. MENICOCHE: Thank you very expecting the peer review process as much, Mr. Speaker. Earlier I spoke part of phase two, the planning study, about the much needed Fort Simpson will be completed by fall of 2016. Thank replacement health centre. I’d like to ask you. the Minister of Public Works a few MR. MENICOCHE: Thank you very questions on the planning study and, as much. That provides a little bit of clarity a result, the capital planning process as about how far they’re progressing with well. the planning study. I’d just like to ask the Minister, what Is it typical for the department to go to stage is the planning study at currently? the communities to show them the type MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. of floor plans and the layout that they Menicoche. Mr. Beaulieu. have at these facilities? Thank you. HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Yes, it is. Speaker. In February 201, an RFP was Once the planning study is done and the issued for phase one of the planning peer review has indicated that this is study, including needs assessment, going to go into a capital plan, then the operational plan and a functional people that are putting the project program and feasibility analysis. A together will consult with the community. planning study services was awarded to Thank you. Western Health Planning and MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Associates since then. Beaulieu. The Member for Range Lake, MR. MENICOCHE: I’d like to thank the Mr. Dolynny. Minister for that answer. I’d just like to know, well, that’s the current stage of QUESTION 925-17(5): ST the planning study, perhaps the Minister 61 ANNUAL REPORT: can explain how the planning study NORTHWEST TERRITORIES affects the capital planning process. The LIQUOR COMMISSION Fort Simpson Health Centre was slated MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Mr. for ’17-18 but it’s, like, five years further Speaker. With the multiple number of down the line. I’d like to ask the Minister, reports being tabled in the past four why has that been deferred so far down session days, and no doubt right up to the line? Thank you. the bell later this week, I think Cabinet is HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Thank you. hoping that Members will be a little too There will be two phases in the planning busy to follow up on all the plethora of study. The first phase will be completed paperwork before us. But there is one in February of 2016. Phase two, which tabled document, 314-17(5), that was will be complete with schematic design tabled on September 30, 2015, to which October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 29

I’d like to ask the Minister responsible these courses free of charge to all NWT some questions. licence holders. This is voluntary, but The Minister of Finance tabled the NWT the Liquor Board can order a business Liquor Licensing Board and Liquor to attend at their discretion. Enforcement Board’s 61st Annual Interestingly, for the past two years of Report, 2014-2015, and within this this report, three communities, Fort report it indicates the number of class A Simpson, Inuvik and Norman Wells, had to class B liquor licence holders in the zero server training participants, yet NWT. Interestingly, Yellowknife holds 40 once again it appears that in this 2014- percent of these class establishments in 15 report, 67 percent of the participants the territory. It is plagued with 66 targeted and voluntarily forced to attend percent of all inspections in the NWT. were from Yellowknife. Can the Minister indicate why So once again, can the Minister indicate Yellowknife businesses are so unevenly why the perceived unbalance toward targeted with his Liquor Enforcement Yellowknife businesses? Thank you. Program? Thank you. HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: I MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. don’t believe it’s unbalanced. Dolynny. The honourable Minister of Yellowknife also has just about 20,000 Finance, Mr. Miltenberger. people, the majority of establishments and the majority of people in a high, HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: high influx as a territorial centre where Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t believe folks come in and out of town. So they anybody is being unfairly targeted. have way more volumes than anywhere Thank you. else as well. MR. DOLYNNY: Again, the numbers MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. don’t lie, and to take this one step Miltenberger. Final, short further, the report also shows from supplementary, Mr. Dolynny. 2013-14 to the 2014-15 year a decrease in inspections of licenced premises in MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Mr. every community in the Northwest Speaker. As I said earlier, Yellowknife Territories except the Yellowknife has 40 percent of these establishments, community. In fact, inspections are up in not way more that we heard from the our community by 3 percent. Minister. So, can the Minister offer an explanation Finally, it shows in the statement of to this trend? Thank you. operations that in 2014-2015 there were three compliance hearings in the NWT HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: for a total compliance penalty collection One of the benefits to Yellowknife is of $2,800 from NWT businesses. For they have potentially a full complement this measly $2,800, the Liquor of liquor inspectors. I know that in the Commission spent $25,000 in travel and smaller communities it is much more amassed $34,000 in honouraria. problematic finding qualified liquor inspectors. Thank you. Again, can the Minister inform the House, does he still feel we’re getting MR. DOLYNNY: The report also good value for money? Thank you. indicates that enforcement offers what is called server training and conducts October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 30

HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: would be their call on whether or not There’s a price to be paid for running they wish to attend such a meeting. But effective regulatory processes in we can, as the GNWT, invite them to ensuring compliance, and I would hope come. Thank you. and think that people would say if it was MR. BOUCHARD: Obviously, the a lot worse we would be having a obvious question is: Is the territorial different conversation about why we are government willing to put any kind of spending so much and why are there so dollar figure towards putting this on the many fines. So I think we just have to capital budget and getting this project recognize that there is a cost to doing moving? business as a government that’s not always revenue-based. Thank you. HON. TOM BEAULIEU: It will likely not be a capital budgeting process. It would MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. most likely be an O and M item. This Miltenberger. The Member for Hay River would be, again, most likely a North, Mr. Bouchard. contribution if it was to be capital. I think this may be something that could occur, QUESTION 926-17(5): I think dredging would occur every five DREDGING OF THE HAY RIVER years or so. I think that’s what has been MR. BOUCHARD: Thank you, Mr. happening in the past. So for something Speaker. I have questions for the like that, it would be most likely a one- Minister of Transportation about his time contribution and then maybe statement today. setting up some sort of schedule, but I’m Can the Minister indicate to me when he not sure that the Department of expects this meeting to occur on getting Transportation is going to get into the all the parties involved in dredging for purchasing of the dredging equipment. the Hay River area? Thank you. Thank you. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Bouchard. The Minister of Beaulieu. Final, short supplementary, Transportation, Mr. Beaulieu. Mr. Bouchard. HON. TOM BEAULIEU: Thank you, Mr. MR. BOUCHARD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are going to be meeting Speaker. Would there be an opportunity and getting the group together. It’s going to commit to a multi-year approach? As to be ourselves and industry, obviously. opposed to spending millions of dollars So I can’t determine their schedule, but in one year, maybe going to a multiple we’re going to try to have our people year, like going $400,000 and $500,000 ready at any time and definitely before a year for 10 years, as opposed to the next barging season. Thank you. giving $12 million to the project. MR. BOUCHARD: One of the parties We’re looking for a commitment that we can’t get to the table is the financially to the project. Is the federal government. Are we inviting the department willing to put that into their federal government to get into this deal? own end budget? Thank you. HON. TOM BEAULIEU: We can, as the HON. TOM BEAULIEU: The very initial GNWT, bring them to the table and ask discussions that we had was dredging is them to come to the table. But again, it commonly done on a five/six year basis. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 31

A lot of dredging has to occur for the doesn’t have any available funding whole Mackenzie River right away. So through the Department of Health and not only the Hay River Harbour but there Social Services to support this initiative. are some spots along the Mackenzie Thank you, Mr. Speaker. River. So, likely it would be multi-year MR. NADLI: I was expecting an answer dredging. But it’s really early to get into like that. Has the Department of Health it because we need to figure out who’s and Social Services discussed this going to pay for the equipment if the matter with other departments if there’s federal government will participate. If we no funding, like MACA or with the Town participate, do we come forward with of Hay River, to look for a partnership money here in the House? I suppose solution to these problems? We need an that’s part of the process. So those answer today. Mahsi. questions have to be answered and a plan has to be developed. That’s what HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Aside from we’re hoping to do this winter. Thank medical travel, the Department of Health you. and Social Services isn’t actually involved in transportation, but I have MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. had this issue raised to me and we have Beaulieu. Member for Deh Cho, Mr. shared this information with MACA, who Nadli. has indicated to me that the community government could choose to use either QUESTION 927-17(5): their gas tax or community public DISCONTINUATION OF infrastructure funding to purchase HANDIVAN SERVICES handivans in their communities to MR. NADLI: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. provide services to their residents. My question is to the Minister of Health Thank you, Mr. Speaker. and Social Services, specifically for MR. NADLI: Perhaps you could sum up persons with disabilities. Residents at the situation like this: We need to do Enterprise have very limited access to something today and now. I think services, especially if people are persons with disabilities lack the disabled and they have very limited services and support that they could services in the community. That’s more have in larger centres, but in small likely a general statement that could be communities people struggle. The town upheld in smaller communities. can’t afford to maintain the services, and My question is to the Minister. How will at the same time, local costs cannot be the Department of Health and Social absorbed by the Hamlet of Enterprise. Services support continuing the The Minister is mandated with his handivan services in Hay River and the department and also has the surrounding communities? Mahsi. responsibility to look after the general MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Nadli. interests of residents of the GNWT. Minister of Health, Mr. Abernethy. Can the Minister step in and commit to HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Thank you, assist and providing the funding to the Mr. Speaker. Public transportation is the Town of Hay River immediately so that responsibility of the municipalities, and disabled persons can access the this includes things like the handivan handivan? Mahsi. services. At the present time, the GNWT October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 32

HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: It’s my HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: It’s a understanding that the Town of Hay shared responsibility across the River actually did have a handivan in Government of the Northwest Territories place, and for a period of time they did depending on the different portfolios. provide services throughout the Housing has a significant number of community for persons with disabilities, responsibilities around persons with including services to Enterprise as well. disabilities and they have been That service was actually discontinued addressing those. As does MACA with by the community. communities, as does Health and Social I would strongly encourage the Services, things that we’ve done around community to continue to have dialogue the Early Childhood Development Action with the Department of Municipal and Plan, work around respite. As the Community Affairs around what money Minister responsible, one of my they can use that has been allocated responsibilities is to share information already. Unfortunately, the Department across the different departments and of Health and Social Services, as I said, ensure that they are working towards a doesn’t have a responsibility for travel of common goal, but it doesn’t change the people in the Northwest Territories individual department mandates. outside of medical travel, and this I have indicated that I will certainly wouldn’t fall under that scenario. But I continue to work with MACA. I strongly will certainly share the information once encourage the Member to have the again with the Minister responsible for communities that are affected discuss MACA and strongly encourage the the issue with MACA and see if they can Member to work with the community and find a new resolution. But community have them continue their dialogue with transportation is not a responsibility of MACA. the Department of Health and Social MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Services, so I strongly encourage him to Abernethy. Final, short supplementary, continue to have that dialogue with the Mr. Nadli. appropriate Minister. MR. NADLI: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. It’s a very disappointing lack of Abernethy. The Member for Inuvik Boot commitment and a lack of a very Lake, Mr. Moses. substantive answer to an everyday problem that we experience in small QUESTION 928-17(5): communities. PROGRAMS TO COMBAT BOOTLEGGING I don’t know; what is the role of the AND ILLEGAL DRUG SALES department, then, and the Minister, the role of this government in addressing MR. MOSES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. persons with disabilities that require Today I have questions for the Minister services at the local level? What role is of Justice in regard to some of the this Minister going to play and what role campaigns and the work they’re doing is this government going to play in around how we’re kind of getting rid of addressing services that could be the bootleggers and the drug dealers in directed towards meeting the needs of the community. I guess my first question disabled people? is the Not Us! campaign. I know it’s October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 33 been successful in some of the canines on request would be able to get communities in the past. Hay River and into the communities on a more regular Yellowknife have had successful basis and more or less kind of control programs. Inuvik did have a very and patrol our airports and our road successful program at one time. systems. I just want to ask the Minister, how HON. DAVID RAMSAY: That would be much funding is allocated for this an operational decision of the RCMP, program and is it being utilized in the but what I can say is in the 12 years that Northwest Territories and has there I’ve been a Member of the Legislative been an increase at all over the years? Assembly, I don’t recall a year where MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. we’ve seen more drug seizures, illegal Moses. The Minister of Justice, Mr. alcohol going into communities. We’ve Ramsay. had just today another three seizures in small communities across the NWT, and HON. DAVID RAMSAY: Thank you, the number of drug busts is really Mr. Speaker. The total allotted to the something. It really gets back to the Not Us! campaign by the Department of great police work that the RCMP are Justice is $100,000 per year. providing for us here in the NWT, and Communities can be provided with up to also campaigns like the Not Us! $10,000 to create and implement their campaign and also Crime Stoppers. At own campaigns in their own the end of the day, community members communities, plus up to $5,000 annually have just had enough of the bootleggers as well. and the drug dealers in their community We’ve had some success in a number and want to do something about it. of communities across the Northwest MR. MOSES: The Minister did allude to Territories, Fort Good Hope, Fort Liard, Crime Stoppers as being one type of Fort Smith, Gameti, Hay River, Ndilo, avenue. Can I ask the Minister if there Detah, Paulatuk, Ulukhaktok, and also are any other types of phone lines or here in Yellowknife. tips hotlines that the Minister can MR. MOSES: As I mentioned in my reference that would allow residents of Member’s statement, we’ve got to the Northwest Territories to give an create awareness and education on anonymous phone call to get some of these programs and let our residents, these, I guess, perpetrators in the especially the ones who have a certain community who do the bootlegging and interest in getting rid of our bootleggers sell drugs, if there’s any other type of and drug dealers, about such hotline in the small communities that campaigns like this. I know I’ve also they can call to address such a asked in the past in terms of prevention situation? As we’ve mentioned, I think and promotion. I know we had one there are maybe 11 communities that canine here, a canine unit in the don’t have RCMP officers at the Northwest Territories, and speaking to moment. our Minister, that has been up to two. HON. DAVID RAMSAY: The only way I’m just wondering, I’m sure I asked we are going to rid our communities of questions about this before. I just want bootleggers and drug dealers is to let to get an update whether or not those the authorities know. In the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 34 communities, folks can contact the local We do have RCMP patrols, and one of detachments. If they want anonymity the seizures that I spoke of earlier was they can look to Crime Stoppers, and near the community of Tulita where a jet we’ve advanced the Crime Stoppers boat was intercepted with a number of board here. There’s a renewed effort to bottles of liquor on board. Also, road get that board up and active here in the checks and the winter roads. We really Northwest Territories. We’re very increase our efforts when the winter encouraged by that. There are road season is in, and check stops and opportunities for folks to provide ensuring that there is not illegal alcohol information to the RCMP whether it’s going into our smaller communities. anonymously or through the local MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. detachments. Ramsay. The Member for Frame Lake, MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Bisaro. Ramsay. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses. QUESTION 929-17(5): MR. MOSES: I know that in the TEMPORARY CLOSURE OF Northwest Territories we do have CANTUNG MINE communities that are accessible by MS. BISARO: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. road, by water, the Mackenzie River. I’m With respect to the last conversation, I just wondering if the Minister would be have to say kudos to the RCMP for the working with the RCMP “G” Division to job they’re doing. They’re doing a great create higher awareness in those areas job lately. that are accessible by land. I know there My questions today are addressed to have been concerns and issues brought the Minister of Lands. I want to follow up forth, and as the Minister alluded to on some questions that I asked to the earlier, there have been a lot of seizures Minister of Environment and Natural in the communities where a lot of booze Resources last week. The Minister of and drugs have been taken, and we’ve ENR, in answering questions to me seen that in the media. Would the about the Cantung Mine, indicated that Minister work with the RCMP “G” there is about $11.6 million held in Division to create more public financial security for the Cantung Mine. awareness around those communities I’d like to ask the Minister of Lands what that are accessible by land and water? form that security is in. We have several HON. DAVID RAMSAY: It’s very different kinds of security which we can important that that message continue to hold. I’d like to know how this $11.6 get out. As the Minister of Justice, along million is held. with my counterparts from across the MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Ms. country, we’re deeply concerned with Bisaro. The Minister of Lands, Mr. the number of deaths that are caused by McLeod. the illegal drug fentanyl, and I think that’s something that we have to be HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: Thank you, acutely aware of as well. I know we’ve Mr. Speaker. The Member is correct; we had some recent seizures of that drug are holding $11.6 million, but as per the here in Yellowknife. It’s very alarming. form, I would have to confirm that and share it with the Member. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 35

MS. BISARO: Thanks to the Minister. To the Minister: I’d like to know, we hold I’ll take that commitment. My information $11.6 million in whatever form of is that out of the $11.6 million that about security, but how much is the $5 million is in promissory notes. I think reclamation going to cost for this promissory notes as an accepted form particular development, this particular of security for the liability and mine? Can the Minister advise us what reclamation of a mine are not worth very the estimate of the reclamation is and much. Next to worthless is my what kind of liability we would estimate understanding. we have for this particular property? I’d like to ask the Minister, if some of this HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: I wouldn’t security is promissory notes, would he have those figures. It’s too early right consider asking the company to change now. I think we’d have to do an them to an irrevocable letter of credit, assessment of the potential reclamation which does have great value, as costs. So it is fairly early right now. We opposed to a promissory note which has are holding $11.6 million, but as for the very little value? rest of it, again, it is fairly early and we HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: Part of our will have an opportunity to do an process now, plenty of security is set. assessment to see what the actual Our division at Lands will negotiate with reclamation costs may be. Thank you. the proponent the form of security. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. There has been some concerns in the McLeod. Final, short supplementary, past, raised with promissory notes and Ms. Bisaro. other forms of security that is believed MS. BISARO: Thanks, Mr. Speaker. To doesn’t hold much weight. So, we will the Minister: I’m a little surprised that we negotiate with them. haven’t yet done an assessment. I As for the actual figures on this one would have thought that once we took again, I will confirm those figures and over the ownership of a property, and share it with the Member and if there’s apparently we now have responsibility an opportunity to renegotiate that, I for the Cantung Mine, that an mean, they’re in a situation right now assessment would be done so that we’d where I don’t know how difficult it would know what kind of liability we’re looking be for us or make it difficult for us to at. negotiate with them, but I will get those So, in terms of this assessment, if it has figures and I will share them with the not been done, when will it be done, and Members. Thank you. if there is a variation in the amount of MS. BISARO: Thanks to the Minister. I liability required by the assessment and guess I would say, considering the the amount of liability we hold, will the situation that North American Tungsten Minister aggressively renegotiate the is in, it’s imperative that we check what agreement that we have with North kind of security we have and probably American Tungsten? Thank you. ensure that we have security that is HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: We will going to assist us in reclamation if they commit as a government, as a go under. Department of Lands, that going forward we will aggressively negotiate all future October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 36 land lease securities. I think because we City of Yellowknife is one of the only have the authority now, it’s more communities in the Northwest Territories important that we do our due diligence. I that’s large enough to access some of do know in June of this year there was a the funding that the federal government water licence amendment for the mine has made available. So I think they’re and I think the revised security amount also trying to pilot a Housing First was set at $30 million. So again, we will project and we’re working with them. do our due diligence and I will confirm Thank you. these figures and share them with the MR. BROMLEY: Thanks for that Member. Thank you. response. The Minister anticipated my MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. next question. The City of Yellowknife McLeod. The Member for Weledeh, Mr. has indeed committed to the Housing Bromley. First concept to try to alleviate the homeless situation here. A recent point QUESTION 930-17(5): in time count from the 150 Yellowknifers HOUSING FIRST PROGRAMS self-identified as homeless in May of MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Mr. 2015, that’s the spring. Speaker. My questions are also for So how exactly is the Minister working Minister McLeod today. The recent with the City of Yellowknife? The reports from the YWCA in Yellowknife Minister noted he was. I appreciate that. show that there are 64 families in How exactly is he working with the City emergency and transitional housing in of Yellowknife to help implement the the last fiscal year with more than 100 Housing First program? Mahsi. families on the waiting list, 50 women HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: We’re a waiting to get into Lynn’s Place here in member of the Community Advisory Yellowknife, 152 families on the waiting Board and we have had some initial list to get into Yellowknife Housing meetings with the mayor on the task Authority’s housing units. So these are force and the Housing First concept. obviously appalling numbers. Housing They are leading the work and we’ll First programs are getting lots of kudos continue to work with them. as a housing solution across North America. The Housing Corporation, being an infrastructure department, we would be I’m wondering: what is the Minister’s in a good position to provide technical understanding of Housing First advice on any infrastructure projects programs, their successes and their that they may need to work on going applicability here in the NWT. Mahsi. forward Thank you. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. MR. BROMLEY: I am calling for a Bromley. Minister of Lands, Mr. McLeod. cross-departmental response here and HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: Thank you, headed up by the Housing Corporation, Mr. Speaker. We have done some although they are primarily capital research into Housing First and we are approach, they certainly have a lot of working with the Department of Justice housing programs. Housing First to integrative case management and recognizes that the first step to helping we’re exploring the possibility of a homeless people out of poverty is to put Housing First model. I believe that the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 37 a roof over their heads. Only then can of our growing homeless population? the identifying problems that lead to What’s our plan for moving forward? homelessness be addressed effectively, Mahsi. sort of a step number two. In some HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: The NWT areas civil society contributes to the Housing Corporation has a number of caring of a family with a Housing First programs that are designed to keep client to help provide social supports. people in houses. We’ve got, I believe, I’d like to ask the Minister, how is he 2,400 public housing units across the working with Health and Social Northwest Territories and we have a Services, with ECE, other relevant number of third-party units. We have a departments and the public towards a number of income support clients in comprehensive solution through some of our public housing. So, we are Housing First for our hard-to-house playing a small part in trying to alleviate residents? Mahsi. the homelessness issue. HON. ROBERT MCLEOD: We work Again, it is something that the lead was closely with the Department of Health taken by the City of Yellowknife. We will and ECE. We sit as members on the continue to work with them to provide Community Advisory Board. We have a any assistance we can, but still trying to number of programs that we deliver to maintain our social housing issues that help try and alleviate the problem of we face and trying to improve those as homelessness. We make contributions well. Thank you. to some local groups that try to combat MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. that. So it is, as the Member I think said, McLeod. Time for oral questions has getting to be a problem that is expired. Item 8, written questions. Item increasing and we have to be part of the 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, solution with a number of different replies to opening address. Item 11, parties. Good on the City of Yellowknife petitions. Item 12, reports of standing for taking the lead on this one and we’ll and special committees. Item 13, do what we can to support them. Thank reports of committees on the review of you. bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. The MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. honourable Premier, Mr. McLeod. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley. 7) Tabling of Documents MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Mr. TABLED DOCUMENT 330-17(5): Speaker. The number of people without MEETING THE CHALLENGE OF a warm, safe place to sleep in RECONCILIATION: THE Yellowknife is indeed territory-wide and, GOVERNMENT OF THE two, growing daily. The housing crisis in NORTHWEST TERRITORIES the North is the number one social issue RESPONSE TO THE TRUTH AND in the North. RECONCILIATION COMMISSION Where are we at in implementing a CALLS TO ACTION Housing First program? So is the HON. BOB MCLEOD: Thank you, Mr. Minister willing to adopt the Housing Speaker. I wish to table the following First approach that addresses the need document, entitled “Meeting the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 38

Challenge of Reconciliation: The Report on What We Heard, May 2015.” Government of the Northwest Territories Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Response to the Truth and MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Reconciliation Commission Calls to Abernethy. Mr. Ramsay. Action.” Thank you. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. TABLED DOCUMENT 335-17(5): McLeod. Mr. Miltenberger. 2014-2015 REPORT OF THE LEGAL AID COMMISSION TABLED DOCUMENT 331-17(5): HON. DAVID RAMSAY: Thank you, ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following RESOURCES STRATEGIC PLAN document, entitled “2014-2015 Report of 2015-2020 the Legal Aid Commission.” Thank you, Mr. Speaker. TABLED DOCUMENT 332-17(5): CONFERENCE OF MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. MANAGEMENT AUTHORITIES Ramsay. Mr. Menicoche. SPECIES AT RISK ANNUAL REPORT 2014-2015 TABLED DOCUMENT 336-17(5): REFEREE CLAIM REVIEW, TABLED DOCUMENT 333-17(5): INTERIM AND PHASE 2 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES REPORTS SPECIES AT RISK COMMITTEE MR. MENICOCHE: Thank you, Mr. ANNUAL REPORT 2014-2015 Speaker. I wish to table Referee Claim HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: Review, Interim and Phase 2 Reports Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table that relate to the Deh Cho Bridge the following three documents, entitled contract between Rowe’s Construction “Environment and Natural Resources and ATCON Construction, initial general Strategic Plan 2015-2020,” “Conference contractor for the project. The referee’s of Management Authorities 2014-2015 reports review the issue of the non- Annual Report” and “Northwest payment of subcontractor funds on the Territories Species at Risk Committee Deh Cho Bridge contract. Thank you, Annual Report 2014-2015.” Thank you. Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Abernethy. Menicoche. Item 15, notices of motion. Mr. Yakeleya. TABLED DOCUMENT 334-17(5): NWT MEDICAL TRAVEL 8) Notices of Motion PROGRAM: MOTION 50-17(5): PATIENT-ESCORT SUPPORTS - MEDICAL TRAVEL POLICY REPORT ON WHAT WE HEARD, MAY 2015 MR. YAKELEYA: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Mr. Wednesday, October 7, 2015, I will Speaker, I wish to table the following move the following motion: now document, entitled “NWT Medical Travel therefore I move, seconded by the Program: Patient-Escort Supports – honourable Member for Yellowknife October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 39

Centre, that this Legislative Assembly conservative 6,000 people, with strongly recommends that the challenges in every community; Department of Health and Social AND WHEREAS an additional one in Services immediately introduce a policy nine people in the NWT are impacted by change to ensure access to non-medical a disability as family members and escorts for patients with impaired caregivers; mobility or cognitive ability, life- threatening conditions, such as cancer, AND WHEREAS people with disabilities or language barriers; are at higher risk for neglect, abuse, poverty, isolation, depression and And further, that the Department of mental health and wellness issues; Health and Social Services ensure that the Medical Travel Program is AND WHEREAS in 2001 the Premier of consistently applied across all regions of the Northwest Territories set up a the Northwest Territories; steering partnership tasked to develop a framework for effective programs and And further, that the Department of services for persons living with Health and Social Services ensure that disabilities in the Northwest Territories; a mechanism is in place for monitoring and evaluating the Medical Travel AND WHEREAS a 2008 GNWT Action Program; Plan for Persons with Disabilities was adopted to meet the needs and improve And further, that the government the lives of people living with produce a response to these disabilities in the North; recommended actions for consideration by the House by February 2016. AND WHEREAS there continues to be considerable and long-standing MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. barriers to full participation and Yakeleya. Item 16 notices of motion for citizenship in society for people with first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. disabilities in the areas of what the NWT Mr. Bromley. Action Plan for Persons with Disabilities identified as the five building blocks: 9) Motions housing, education, employment, MOTION 48-17(5): income and disability supports; NORTHWEST TERRITORIES AND WHEREAS transportation, mobility DISABILITIES SERVICES, and community funding issues are of CARRIED primary and common concern for MR. BROMLEY: WHEREAS Canada persons with disabilities across the ratified the United Nations Convention NWT; on the Rights of People with Disabilities AND WHEREAS when the NWT in 2010; Disabilities Council met with various AND WHEREAS persons with stakeholder departments, some of the disabilities have the right to be treated departments were unaware of the action equally, with dignity and respect; plan; AND WHEREAS almost 15 percent of AND WHEREAS the NWT Disabilities the population of the NWT lives with a Council has done an evaluation of the disability, which translates to a implementation of the action plan and October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 40 concluded that the effort has been for NGOs, a program under the Premier woefully inadequate; which was much appreciated, to AND WHEREAS between 2008 and evaluate the action plan and feedback 2015 there was little progress, few on services in the North from multiple accomplishments and no formal vested groups. They had substantial evaluation of the status of the actions feedback, as it turned out, from people called for in the plan; who both shared their personal stories, those who shared their experience in NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded the work that they do with people with by the honourable Member disabilities, and actually some for Deh Cho, that the government work departments, as well, who shared with the Northwest Territories information and status on programs and Disabilities Council and community services. From this work it was clear councils to assess the reasons for the that there are gaps and a new strategic failure to implement the action plan plan with measurable outcomes and formulated in 2008; ongoing evaluation is required. AND FURTHER, that the government The ultimate conclusion was that we work with the Disabilities Council to need to restart the conversation and propose the best way to actively move refocus the land back onto people with forward with a Disabilities Action Plan; disabilities throughout the North and the AND FURTHERMORE, that the people and families that support and government produce a response for care for those individuals. consideration by the House by June of The work that they did as a result of the 2016. Stabilization Fund was modest but MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. significant, enabling them to get some Bromley. The motion is in order. To the work going. The survey responses came motion. Mr. Bromley. from 321 people throughout the territory, MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Mr. including 115 living with disability, 58 Speaker. This is something I learned parents or caregivers and 148 service about at the recent AGM, annual providers, and as we heard today in general meeting, of the Disabilities statements, these were from 32 Council. It turns out that we did good communities. work back in the 15th Assembly and The report of the council focused on the even the 14th. Starting in 2004 there was five building blocks, which I mentioned: interest in addressing the issues people education, employment, income, with disabilities face. In 2008 there was disability supports and housing. In each an action plan that was produced and area there were five priorities that were tabled in the House and there was some selected. Within education, an example good work that went on in between is a third of the respondents identified times. difficulties with physical barriers in Between 2008 and 2015, however, education settings. there seemed to be a major shift and They concluded that needs for focus away from disabilities. This education, both at the institutional and prompted the NWT council’s interest personal levels, need training for and proposal to the Stabilization Fund educators and they need physical October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 41 accessibility for educational institutions Income exemption amounts and overall and access to accommodations. long-term ability structures for income Under the area of employment, again assistance should be assessed. there were several priorities identified. Emergency funds should be in place for They found under personal limitations, those who may not qualify for income 15.7 percent stated that even after all assistance, and we need to assess how barriers to employment had been many NWT applicants have had benefit addressed, some people will still be applications denied due to doctor error unable to work. Because of this, or doctor turnover. sufficient income supports must be Another major area was disability available so that all people can live supports, and included access to comfortably. supports and information, relocation for Under the employment block, some of services, transportation and community the priorities were extending the duty to accessibility, and under there that 25 accommodate to the private sector; put percent of personal survey respondents in place a funding resource program for identified a lack of transportation to and workplace accommodations; employer from services as an obstacle. We heard training for awareness of disability today in a Member’s statement from my issues and accommodations; physical colleague Mr. Nadli that that was a access to workplaces and public major issue. I talked to people in Hay spaces; and reassessing income River with a similar sort of thing. support, especially for those who are Stigma and attitudinal barriers was a completely prevented from being able to priority under this block of disability work. supports, and the need for trained Again, under the block of income, professionals. Again, the priorities were poverty and security, high cost of living addressing relocation concerns, so to and benefits, cost of programs and keep people as close to home as services were all priorities and they possible; to address availability and found that 20 percent of 115 personal affordability of aides and assistive survey respondents stated that last year devices; to address the lack of trained alone they had spent over $1,000 out of professionals through recruitment and pocket on health and support related retention; and an updated information specifically to their disability. guide to disability and supports and services is needed. It is now out of date. The priorities under that area of income There is one as a result of the action were poverty and low income families plan, but it is in need of updating, and I and individuals needing to be prioritized, think that’s something that should be especially those who are at risk of routine. poverty and living pay cheque to pay cheque, and I know some of these Housing. Housing priorities included things may be addressed obliquely in on affordability, accessibility, modifications our action plan on poverty, but we’re and renovations, and under that, 36 talking now about a subset of people percent of respondents anticipated who need extra attention. needing major repairs, modifications or improvements to their homes in the next October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 42 five to 10 years in order to assist them just the disabled person. It affects all specifically, again, with their disabilities. those people around them who support Safety, inclusion in the community was them, who are required to support them a priority area, and long-term care and in one way or another. Caregivers, supported living. Again, the priorities, family members, certainly schools are actions: prioritize long-term care and impacted. It’s not just the disabled supported living; prioritize and promote persons that we have to talk about here. funding for housing modifications and We are not providing the services and renovations; address safety and the programs that we should to the inclusion concerns by building disabled persons to the detriment of affordable and accessible housing, and many other people as well. consider a rent cap or other strategy; The council’s report, as Mr. Bromley has and expand accessible design, promote mentioned, highlights many gaps and and encourage high accessibility many needs in the services that are standards in their design. required across the territory. I think it’s I know my colleagues will speak and an excellent document. I have to add depth and substance to many of confess I haven’t read the whole thing, these remarks. I want to express but I’ve certainly read the summary and appreciation to the NWT Disabilities I’ve read part of the full document and Council for doing this work. I think it it’s a well done summary, it’s a well points clearly to the need to get on top done survey, and I don’t think anyone of these things, re-invigorate the can say that it didn’t canvass the process, renew the action plan and work majority of the NWT, 32 out of 33 with all to get this action done. communities, and some 320-plus people who were canvassed and responded to MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. the survey. I think it’s a very excellent Bromley. To the motion. Ms. Bisaro. summary of what one could say is the MS. BISARO: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. state of the nation, the state of the NWT I rise in support of this motion, as you nation in regard to disabilities and where may have gathered from my statement we sit. earlier today. I want to thank both the My view at this point is that this mover and the seconder, Mr. Bromley summary document, this project and Mr. Nadli, for bringing the motion document has provided the government forward. with a way forward. It’s done a great I spoke in my statement about inaction, analysis of where we sit at the moment, and a fairly long period of inaction in and there are five recommendations at regard to taking action on the issue of the end of the document, five major NWT residents who have disabilities recommendations which suggest how and closing the gaps and providing we can go forward from here. I think this services that close the gaps for NWT motion asks basically for the same disabled residents. thing. Maybe not specific to I think it’s important to note, as Mr. recommendations, but we’re asking for Bromley did, he gave you some the government to find out, do an statistics, but the impact of a disability in analysis, find out why there’s been no a family or in a community doesn’t affect action on the Disabilities Action Plan October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 43 since, basically, 2007, 2008. Why is it the council, and that’s an ask in this not a priority for this government? Why particular motion. nothing is happening. Why we still have Lastly, I think I mentioned, and I hope it NWT residents who are struggling to was well heard, but in my statement I live, to work, to get educated, all said we can send a message to the 18th because they happen to have a Assembly. If we speak strongly, if we disability. speak loudly, if we support this motion The Minister, earlier, was answering we can tell the 18th Assembly this is a some questions, and he spoke as the priority, and it’s a priority not just for the Minister of Health and Social Services, Members of this Assembly but for the but he’s also the Minister responsible for territory as a whole. This is something Disabilities, and I think we have to that we need to work on. We’ve waited recognize as a government that if we some seven or eight years to get some have a Minister responsible for real action going forward. We should Disabilities, then we have to give them start now in 2015 and not put it off until the tools to work with. I suggested that 2016 or 2017. It can be done. As I’ve this situation now is somewhat like the said before, let’s do it. homelessness situation was previously. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Ms. We now have a homelessness Bisaro. To the motion. Mr. Nadli. coordinator who is pulling all departments together and presumably MR. NADLI: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. working on programs across all I’d like to thank the mover, Mr. Bromley, government departments. We need the for bringing this forward, and colleagues same thing here with the Disabilities for speaking on it at this point. Action Plan. I think the motion itself speaks to the We have Education, we have Health, we most vulnerable in society who need have Housing, to name three major help, people with disabilities. I can ones. MACA, I’m sure, is involved in safely say that there a few of my there to a certain extent. We need relatives who are disabled and it’s somebody who has the funding but also disheartening to see them struggle, who has the authority to reach across all especially at the community level when departments and to pull them together. the programs and services are very limited at the same time and when I have to ask these questions, and I services like handivan services are think the answers are no, but is there basically stopped for one community coordination across our government in because another community can’t afford what we’re doing for disabled persons? to maintain those services. It’s rather Is it adequately funded? Are we sad that with this government we can’t following the advice of our NGOs, the do that and then people have no advice of the people that are working recourse but to look at perhaps the the front-lines that are dealing with federal government to step in and see if persons with disabilities on a day-to-day those services could be delivered to basis? There are lots of departments them. involved. Someone has to pull them together and someone has to work with Also, at the same time, we have to think carefully about our priorities. We lend October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 44 resources to big infrastructure projects, it’s at the end of this Legislative but at the same time, social needs such Assembly now and we’re trying to figure as this are something that we didn’t out how to address this issue. really intend perhaps to not consider, Back in 2012-2013 I had asked but it just so happens that’s how questions of the Ministers responsible, government is run, is that there are made a couple of comments. I’d just like limited fiscal resources. So there are to be as responsible, as well, saying that challenges, but we need to think I didn’t follow up on these. I asked carefully about our priorities and ensure questions, where were they, and I could that we’re pulling all the right cords in have followed it up in a more timely the right direction. manner, as well, to stay on top of the At the community level, a disability is a Minister. very big challenge. In larger centres like Of course, this is a big concern and Yellowknife you have all the services when they ask about why this action here. In smaller communities people are plan failed, I think it’s the responsibility basically left to fend for themselves if of the House to stay on top of this and they’re disabled and, unfortunately, keep the government accountable and families have to become caretakers, transparent to the action plans that we relatives, uncles, sisters, aunts. That’s help develop or previous governments how it is at the community level, but developed. But in the motion itself, it what’s most disappointing is the inaction does further recognize that the of the period of time when this was government worked with the Disabilities sitting on someone’s table or someone’s Council to find the best way to actively desk and collected dust. We need to move forward with the action plan and move on this initiative in terms of we do have a 2008 action plan. I know addressing the needs of disabled the NWT Disabilities Council just persons in the NWT. developed an action plan that has So, today I speak in favour of this numerous recommendations throughout motion and I’m hoping all of my the report, and as Ms. Bisaro mentioned colleagues will stand in support of it too. earlier, there are five main Mahsi. recommendations at the end, but if you MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Nadli. read it throughout the report, there are To the motion, Mr. Moses. some really good actions and recommendations brought forward as MR. MOSES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. well. The motion that’s here before us, over the length of this government, I think at In one of my statements that I had made the same time we can’t be pulling in in 2012, I just want to share with favours from the Minister responsible. Members that in 2010 Canada ratified We have 19 Members in this House and the UN Convention’s Right for Persons it’s our responsibility to bring action with Disabilities. This is the right of full items, bring concerns forward to the inclusion for every person. Only through Legislative Assembly, and over the four ensuring accessibility in all aspects of a years I believe this is one organization person’s life can there be full and one action plan that we didn’t give acceptance and inclusion. This includes its due respect and due action to. I know the removal of all visible and invisible October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 45 barriers that restrict access to activities there are a lot of areas where there are and services. Until this is accomplished, barriers that need to be addressed. individuals with disabilities will continue I support the motion and hopefully we to experience a lesser accessibility to can start seeing some action going to housing, education, employment, the 18th Assembly on persons with medical or health, recreational, disabilities and updating that action plan community, social and required as well as addressing some of the services. Pretty much all concerns that recommendations brought forward to some Members have mentioned already this Assembly. Thank you. in speaking to this motion. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Persons with disabilities have the right Moses. To the motion, Mr. Bouchard. to be treated equally, with dignity and with respect and I think what this motion MR. BOUCHARD: Thank you, Mr. is calling for is the next step that as we Speaker. I, too, would like to thank the leave this government we make a mover and seconder for bringing this recommendation to the 18th Assembly motion forward. We’ve been working and to the government moving into the with our local disabilities council for a 18th that they work with what the NWT’s number of years and one of the things disabilities developed, an NWT’s that stands out with us, we’ve talked Disability Service Project in 2015, and about our mobility, the mobility of these also kind of correlate it with the action individuals, and our chairperson has plan from 2008. been working and she’s indicated that if these individuals don’t have mobility it’s I’m really glad that Mr. Bromley and Mr. hard for them to get out, it’s hard to go Nadli have brought the motion forward. to school, hard to go to work, hard to be As I said, it is the responsibility of all sociable. Members here to stay on top of the action plans. I know as a government With the lack of effectiveness that we’ve there are a lot of reports and a lot of had with these plans and implementing action plans that get brought before us any kind of strategy, it’s put a situation and I just want to apologize to the NWT of the NWT Disabilities Council and our Disabilities Council that as Members we Hay River local one for an example. didn’t stay on top of it, but I think this Without any kind of funding, without any motion is going to bring forward the kind of programs out there, these discussions that are needed moving organizations are left to fight, and forward. I also just want to thank them literally fight over funding from other for developing that report and I do hope organizations throughout the Northwest that it reflects some of the community Territories. You would think that the two concerns as well. I know we have a very organizations would be linked directly, active disabilities council in Inuvik and I but oftentimes they’re competing over hope that the report, as I didn’t get to the same dollars. It’s because of the read the whole thing, I glimpsed over lack of planning that we’ve done here, some of the action items and the the lack of things we’ve done over the recommendations. They look great, but I last 10 or 15 years on this issue. do hope it reflects what we’re seeing in We need to work with the GNWT, with the communities. But as I mentioned, the people for disabilities, with all the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 46 councils and all the people throughout I would like to also say a big thank you the Northwest Territories to improve this to the people who do work in the NGOs. situation. Mr. Nadli spoke today about a Honestly, if it wasn’t for the creativity handivan for Enterprise. In the and resourcefulness of the folks who community of Hay River we had a work in the NGOs in this area of handivan for a while. They continue to disabilities, the situation for persons with operate it, but now only for a select disabilities would be even more group of people that they can actually challenged than what it is right now. So get funding for. We have seniors and we I’d like to thank particularly the Hay have people with disabilities who don’t River Council for Persons with have access to any kind of handivan Disabilities. As Mr. Bouchard has right now because the program is already mentioned, we know them specific to our own group of people that personally and we know how hard they are taking programming. It used to be work, we know how committed they are open to seniors, it used to be open to to this cause and we, as a government, the people of Enterprise and have a long ways to go to back them up surrounding areas to help out, but in what they need. Thank you. because the funding is so tight they MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mrs. don’t have the money to operate this Groenewegen. To the motion, Mr. handivan. This is one of the factors of us Dolynny. not having a plan in place. MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Mr. I will vote in favour of this motion. Thank Speaker. I do rise in support of this you. motion and I would like to thank the MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. mover, Mr. Bromley, and Mr. Nadli for Bouchard. To the motion, Mrs. bringing it forward today. Groenewegen. As I’m sitting here listening to my MRS. GROENEWEGEN: Thank you, colleagues speak toward this motion, I Mr. Speaker. I’d like to thank the mover am saddened for a number of reasons; and seconder of the motion and for we failed, plain and simple. I think Mr. them bringing forward these issues in Moses said it clearly, we’re so bogged such an articulate manner. I agree with down with all the things that are our day- everything that has been said up to this to-day lives, we forget certain things and point without reservation and support all this is one of the areas that I think that of the items that have been spoken to. even from a Member of this House, from Honestly, it’s one of those things that a Member of the Social Programs there should have been more work done committee, we failed, and I apologize to on this strategy and all the work that those with disabilities out there. We’re went into it and all the not perfect and, unfortunately, this is recommendations. It hasn’t happened. late in the game that we’re bringing this I’m glad that even though this is very forward. But we have a social contract late in this Assembly, it’s being brought with everyone in the Northwest up and it will be front and centre of the Territories and we have a social contract radar when the new 18th Assembly especially with those with disabilities returns to this House. and hopefully this motion today makes some amends towards that action. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 47

As you’ve heard today, Mr. Speaker, let this Assembly know that I concur with there continue to be gaps and there are all the comments by the Members on too many to mention and a lot have this side here and I will be supporting been mentioned here today as well. It’s the motion on a going-forward basis to amazing that in this day and age, 2015, the election to the 18th Assembly. we’re talking about some of those basic When you look at a motion like this, areas that we take for granted. You giving thought to it does bring some know what? We came together as a personal experience with this as, Caucus four years ago and we had a growing up, I can recall working and shared vision. I remember doing that helping my grandfather, who was in a vividly and we talked about a vision of wheelchair, and doing things for my strong individuals, families and grandfather because he was unable to communities and that includes those use his legs so he had to be wheeled with disabilities. I think we forgot about around in the house. One of the things that along the way. that they did after he passed away was As you heard in the motion, 15 percent they built a ramp outside his house, of our population suffers disabilities, which was way too late and just roughly around 6,000 people. That’s suddenly things had happened. I almost the size of our public workforce. experienced all my brothers and sisters, So that’s like us ignoring everyone who you know, wanting my grandfather to be works for the government and that’s a like the other grandfathers where they large number of people. could walk around, but he had to be in a I’m really concerned that we sometimes wheelchair. That brings a lot of take accessibility for granted and that’s emotional stuff and mental stuff, you not right. Those who have troubles in know, and today we see that in our that area have a right to dignity and I small communities. think we haven’t offered them that right Some of the houses that these here today and I’m hoping this motion, I wonderful people live in, there’s lots of guess, speaks a little bit to making some mud and dirt, and when it rains they amends to where I think we’ve failed can’t go out and walk. They’re stuck in during the life of this 17th Assembly the house, you know? A lot of people because they don’t need to live with that talk about this. stigma, and for that we did fail and I will So, I do want to thank Mr. Bromley and definitely be supporting this motion and Mr. Nadli for bringing this motion I’m looking for all my colleagues to forward. It brings me sadness support the mover and seconder. Thank sometimes because I loved my you, Mr. Speaker. grandfather and at that time I didn’t see MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. it as a disability, I thought that was part Dolynny. To the motion, Mr. Yakeleya. of life. He did his best. Sometimes, even MR. YAKELEYA: Thank you, Mr. when we’re healthy like this, we’re even Speaker. The motion that was brought disabled ourselves. by Mr. Bromley and Mr. Nadli is a So I just wanted to say that I hope the motion that we haven’t talked very much message is loud and clear today that we about in our Assembly, as Mr. Dolynny need to continue to look after these has mentioned, and I certainly concur to wonderful people and help them do the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 48 best they can, especially in the small I would like to thank the mover and communities where, you know, they seconder once again. I’m happy to don’t have the services that the larger support this motion. Thank you. centres have. Yet there are a lot of good MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Blake. people out there, they’re working with To the motion. Mr. Hawkins. them and they’re not recognized for the work they do. So, I just want to say, in MR. HAWKINS: Thank you, Mr. closing, thank you, Mr. Bromley and Mr. Speaker. The detailed plan, the NWT Nadli, for bringing this motion forward. Action Plan for Disabilities, has certainly come forward in 2008 and it’s a shame MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. that it wasn’t received with better Yakeleya. To the motion, Mr. Blake. enthusiasm. During the day, of course, it MR. BLAKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. probably was. It got its own nudge, but I, too, am happy to support this motion. of course, like many great reports, they The first time in my riding I have seen find themselves on the way quickly to the difficulties people with disabilities that shelf or certainly holding that table face, you know, whether it’s in the up from wobbling. winter, we have a lot of deep snow in Seniors and disabilities are my two our communities and no vehicles for favourite areas I’m working on and I people with wheelchairs to travel around certainly dedicate myself, any time I’m in. Many times their family members ever asked, to these particular issues take them in their vehicles. They have to and I’m always looking for ways to see pack them in, put their wheelchair away; what I can do more. This NWT Action a lot of struggles. We do have some Plan for Disabilities certainly was a families that use their own money that brilliant step forward, but as we can see, they’ve saved up to buy a vehicle that’s it didn’t go any further than that. It needed for their child or their family wasn’t necessarily a false start, but the member. More has to be done. reality is it just didn’t go anywhere. The Even in Inuvik, only this past year we executive director of the Disabilities finally have taxis that now can take Council, in her research, was shocked people with wheelchairs. I mean, we’re to find many departments weren’t even finally moving up with the times here. familiar with the plan, let alone More needs to be done, whether it’s understanding it. So, with those five elevators, you know, a lot of our actions that we’ve already heard, it sort buildings don’t have elevator access. of makes you wonder about, you know, Simple little things like this are needed. one, education, what are we doing, be it That way people with wheelchairs or in our schools, departments, et cetera; other mechanisms can move around in employment, how we’re creating buildings, whether it’s public buildings, initiatives to get people with disabilities community halls. You know a lot of the involved; income, which helps balance challenges that our constituents face out in their troubling times and ensures here. Now is the time we need to put they have the ability…(inaudible)… money forward to make sure we live up disability access, supports and certainly to what they need and their standards. housing. I mean, these are certainly very important and critical facts when it comes to quality of life. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 49

Any improvement to disabilities and the Stage two: productive distractions. That struggle they have goes a long way. But is where the Health Minister of the day by chance, and certainly circumstances, says, “We should really do something this report, for a lot of reasons, didn’t go about the Disabilities Council and the past being a report. action plan to help people with The Disabilities Council, in the absence disabilities, but let’s just take a step of any follow through on this, took the back, take a look at the issue. Maybe initiative on their own and they certainly we’ll get to it pretty soon, but we’ll get need to be applauded for this. Even on right back to them.” page 3 of the NWT Action Plan it clearly Stage three of the procrastination of the states that the NWT Health Minister government, they defined it as definitely needs to play a lead role in this plan, not productive distractions. That is that they are to lead the Disabilities where the Health Minister of the day Steering Committee. The problem here says, “We know what the problem is and we’re facing is what progress has been our action plan tells us what the problem made, what action has been taken? is and it tells us how to implement and Why hasn’t the Minister leaned forward do something about it.” But that’s where into this report and done more? the Minister says, “Let’s run the Through the NWT Disabilities Council, numbers again and we’ll take a look at it the survey work has estimated again in a couple of months, but don’t approximately 6,000 people here in the worry, we’re totally in and we’ll get back Northwest Territories have a disability, to you.” and as my colleague Mr. Dolynny has Stage four of the seven-stage said, that’s more than our public service. procrastination problem of the Mr. Speaker, could you imagine if government is where they do false everyone who had a disability was starts. That’s where the Minister of the unionized and lobbied the government? day says, “I want to get to know my My goodness, that would certainly be a problem just a little better before I do force to be reckoned with. something.” That’s where they stand I’ve come to the realization that the back and the Minister will say, “Wow, government seems to have what I this is a serious problem. We’ve really sometimes call a sense of seven stages got to do something.” of procrastination. The McLeod Stage five of the seven stages of government suffers from this. What do I procrastination is where the McLeod mean by that? I’ve actually looked at government and the Minister of the day this quite clearly and we see that we get whip around and say, “You know, reports and this is what happens. nothing helps seeing the bigger picture Stage one in the procrastination: than putting an action plan on the shelf, unfounded motivation and confidence. putting it back, taking a serious look at it That is where the Health Minister of the later and then we’ll see how big it is. But day says, “We’re excited, we have an don’t worry, the action plan will still be action plan. We’re going to do there when we need to get to it. By the something. This is great. We are going way, does anyone want to go and get a to do wonderful things.” pizza and do something else in the meantime?” October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 50

Stage six, this is where the seven citizens and they deserve our full stages gets to skewed perception on support. minimum progress. This is where the Obviously, we aren’t able to do Minister of Health and certainly the everything on every problem, whether McLeod government say, “Wow. Well, it’s disabilities, seniors, housing or we’ve agreed to health and that was education, but what’s so important is it’s tough. We should congratulate not lip service that’s paid, it’s about ourselves. Besides, this is a pretty big showing efforts of the results. A lot of step by saying we’re going to help, by people take it quite to heart when they golly. We’ve really moved the problem see how much people try. The problem forward.” This is where they also say, is they aren’t seeing the results of those “We should grab another snack.” efforts in this action plan. It’s easy to say The seventh stage of the seven stages you will do it, but it goes so much further of procrastination I see the government when you show some results of those going through what is called the panic efforts. mode, when they really decide that they In closing, I just want to say that I have to get the work done at the last believe our government has greatly minute. That’s where they finally say, missed a window of opportunity here. I years later – in this case, eight years thank the NWT Council for Disabilities later – this is where the Minister of the for all the work that they regularly do to day and certainly the Premier of the day improve the lives of many Northerners. I and the government of the day says, know that they care deeply, and each “My golly, we haven’t done much but we and every day they go through the have an action plan and that sure looks struggle of either trying to get funding for nice. Let’s dust it off and say we programs or help the needs of accomplished that at least. Wait a individuals who are using those minute, we can blame this programs, providing education to those government… Nah, let’s not. Let’s who have problems and need help and blame the last government, or we can certainly helping every family who say it’s not this government’s problem, struggles, Mr. Speaker. They certainly it’s that government’s problem.” give 100 percent each and every day. Mr. Speaker, as I wrap this up, I’m just I’ve seen the work that they do and I going to point out that this whole action know many Northerners have benefitted plan is faced with procrastination. from the work that they have done, and People went into it with good intentions. to that, I thank you and the House. The results, I think, show for Thank you. themselves. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. In closing, I want to point out that the Hawkins. Minister Abernethy. quality of life and the determination is HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Thank you, something we should be relentless with Mr. Speaker. I’d like to thank the mover when helping people with disabilities. and seconder for bringing this motion to They want to be part of life and they the floor as well as bringing the want to contribute to life in the important discussion. I’ve listened Northwest Territories. Many are active carefully to all the Members and what I think is clear is that addressing the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 51 issues of individuals living with I stand by that commitment today and I disabilities is a shared responsibility, stand by that commitment in the future. and clearly we need to work together on The final report of the survey project solutions, whether that’s government to was shared with staff in each of the government or governments working partner departments on June 9, 2015. It with NGOs or NGOs working together. will be considered as we move forward We must all work together in meaningful with future planning, once that baseline partnerships to actually make change evaluation of all the programs offered by and bring about change for people with the GNWT is done and complete. disabilities. The council has indicated that they tend To that end, I’d also like to also applaud to initiate dialogue with partner the NWT Disabilities Council for being departments and bring those such strong advocates for persons with departments together to have a disabilities and for doing the report that discussion about what they saw, what they recently did. The department works they heard and their thoughts on the very closely with the NWT Disabilities plan. I checked with the department, Council. Recently, we collaborated on and that meeting hasn’t been organized several products, including the at this point by the council, but I know Yellowknife Day Shelter Project and, that at the Department of Health and more importantly, the Community-based Social Services and staff in other Respite Project. departments are available and obviously I recently met with the council on May would be pleased to discuss the work 26, 2015, and at that time the that is already underway as well as preliminary results from the Disabilities discuss any new or future opportunities Survey Project were actually shared that we have with respect to persons with me. The survey is aligned with with disabilities. some of the work that is currently being There have been a lot of suggestions to done with the GNWT. Following up on say that nothing has been done. the review, under the leadership of the Although I hear the Members, I don’t Department of Education, Culture and fully agree. I think more can be done, Employment, they are conducting a new but there has been a number of things baseline inventory of GNWT programs done as a result of that report. For and resources that are available to example, the GNWT delivers a range of persons with disabilities within the programs and services to support territory. That work is currently being persons with disabilities. As the Minister, done. I continue to recognize the importance I wrote to the council on June 2nd and of supporting services and programs for committed to having the findings of the persons with disabilities. final survey report considered in all The Department of Health and Social future planning that is being done by the Services provides funding to non- Department of Health and Social government organizations to provide Services and other departments that disability-related services. NGOs remain have other responsibilities with respect valuable partners in the delivery of to persons with disabilities. Mr. Speaker, programs and services to persons with disabilities. I will give you a few October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 52 examples here. This year we are The department continues to work with providing the NWT Disabilities Council the Department of Education, Culture with $184,164 and an additional and Employment on disability initiatives $226,553 for community-based respite such as Learning Supports for Persons outside of Yellowknife. The Hay River with Disabilities Committee and Committee for Persons with Disabilities Advocacy and Information Services. receives $37,000 annually. The The Labour Market Agreement for Canadian National Institute for the Blind Persons with Disabilities was signed by receives $100,000 annually. The the Government of Canada in February Yellowknife Association for Community 2014 and will provide funding to better Living receives $250,000 annually for support education and training and to community-based respite. The NWT promote employment participation for Seniors’ Society receives $199,000 persons with disabilities. This annually. agreement was one of a series of recent Mr. Speaker, we are taking a system- labour market agreements successfully wide approach to best meet the needs negotiated between the GNWT and the of NWT residents with disabilities and a Government of Canada including the number of the actions that were targeted initiative for older workers and included in the 2008 Disability Action Canada-NWT Job Fund agreements. Plan – and this is important – are now A four-year agreement will provide imbedded within the department’s $1.25 million in cost matched funding to strategic plan, or aligned closely or new and existing programs. directly articulated in the Early Childhood Development Right From The The NWT Housing Corporation and the Start Framework. Right From The Start Department of Health and Social Framework for Early Childhood Services work closely in developing Development focuses on prevention as supported independent living housing well as identifying and providing for seniors in designated communities. supports for children with disabilities. Five facilities are built, they’re replacing This includes screening for the the Joe Greenland Centre in Aklavik, development of disabilities; support for and four new facilities in Fort Liard, Fort at-risk families to minimize the risk and McPherson, Fort Good Hope and Whati. impact of disabilities; and improve The NWT Housing Corporation also diagnostic and therapeutic supports for offers the CARE Program. CARE children with disabilities. It also includes assists existing homeowners in making case management support for families necessary repairs to their home to and children, and improves support for ensure a safe and healthy residence expectant mothers for prevention of and to increase the remaining economic disabilities such as Fetal Alcohol life of their home. Additional assistance Spectrum Disorder. is available for improving the accessibility of dwellings for persons with disabilities assistance. Up to $100,000 is provided in the form of a forgivable loan to subsidize the cost of preventative maintenance, checks, October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 53 repairs and renovations in their existing MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. homes. Abernethy. Closing remarks. Mr. Low-income homeowners with Bromley. disabilities may be eligible for up to MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Mr. $100,000 to carry out modifications to Speaker. I’d like to start by recognizing their home to improve accessibility and the Minister’s call for all people to be support independent living. working on this, all those of us in Modifications may include such things authority, and have some responsibility such as construction of wheelchair for doing work on this. I think, in this access ramps, installation of grab bars particular case, I know when I, along in bathrooms and creating better access with my colleagues Bisaro and Hawkins, to bathtubs, showers and the kitchen. in this case, attended the latest AGM of There are also services such as home NWT council, I was a little bit shocked. I care assistance, respite services offered think Mr. Moses expressed through our Home Care Program to disappointment that I felt in myself for provide temporary relief for families not being more on top of that. taking care of their loved ones who have I’m glad to hear the Minister has already disabilities. We fund the supportive been working with the council and living program, providing people with community councils in addressing many disabilities with residential services and of the issues that we’re raising today, day programs to help promote and this will be good support for him and independence and personal choice. the 18th Assembly. The Department of Health and Social I think, as mentioned, we’re really Services will continue to work with our talking about our constituents, partners to improve the quality of life of thousands of whom and thousands of Northerners with disabilities by providing families, thousands of constituent the appropriate access to sustainable families are persons with disabilities or programs. However, while I agree that struggling with those things, so we’re we should strive constantly to improve talking about our own people. We’re upon what we do for residents with talking about community well-being. disabilities, Cabinet is unable to support We’re asking this to be made a real and this motion at this time and will be active priority with every department, abstaining as it is direction to the and we’ve heard from the Minister of government. Health and Social Services. We’re But I do commit to taking a copy of asking that this be given the profile in Hansard as well as all the information every department and that every provided and the report from the NWT department be given the tools to actively Disabilities Council and make it address the priorities that have been available to the future Minister and to identified by the council. Again, as the the future Assembly so that they can be Minister said, this is a message we are informed when they come to the 18th asking to be carried forward. Legislative Assembly so that we can We heard from several people that this once again have some meaningful is very disheartening to see people with debate on this issue and move forward. disabilities struggling in our communities when in fact we have the opportunity to October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 54 provide the key supports they need. I MR. SPEAKER: All those in favour, am a little disappointed we didn’t, ten; opposed, zero; abstentions, six. including myself. I appreciate that we’re The motion is carried. starting to get after that, and I ---Carried appreciate hearing from all my colleagues today. Item 18, first reading of bills. Mr. Miltenberger. The community council perspectives are important. They are active and critical 10) First Reading of Bills for persons with disabilities in every community. We heard that mobility and BILL 70: the handivan issue is common. APPROPRIATION ACT Finally, I think full acceptance and (INFRASTRUCTURE inclusion of persons with disabilities EXPENDITURES), within our society is our goal. We 2016-2017 haven’t done a good job. We can do HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: Mr. better. The Minister has got to start, and Speaker, I move, seconded by the the folks on this side of the House are honourable Member for Yellowknife indicating their willingness and their South, that Bill 70, Appropriation Act message to the 18th Assembly to (Infrastructure Expenditures), 2016- support that work and address every 2017, be read for the first time. priority out there. I’ll leave it at that and MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. ask for a recorded vote. Mahsi. Miltenberger. The motion is in order. To the motion. RECORDED VOTE SOME HON. MEMBERS: Question. MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Bromley. The Member is asking for a MR. SPEAKER: Question has been recorded vote. All those in favour, called. The motion is carried. please rise. ---Carried DEPUTY CLERK OF THE HOUSE (Mr. Bill 70 has had first reading. Schauerte): Mr. Bromley, Mr. Item 19, second reading of bills. Mr. Yakeleya, Mr. Blake, Mrs. Bouchard. Groenewegen, Mr. Dolynny, Mr. Bouchard, Mr. Nadli, Mr. Hawkins, Ms. 11) Second Reading of Bills Bisaro, Mr. Moses. BILL 69: MR. SPEAKER: All those opposed, AN ACT TO AMEND THE please rise. All those abstaining, please LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY AND rise. EXECUTIVE COUNCIL ACT, NO. DEPUTY CLERK OF THE HOUSE (Mr. 2 Schauerte): Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. MR. BOUCHARD: Mr. Speaker, I Abernethy, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. move, seconded by the honourable McLeod - Yellowknife South, Mr. Member for Kam Lake, that Bill 69, An Ramsay, Mr. McLeod - Inuvik Twin Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly Lakes. and Executive Council Act, No. 2, be read for the second time. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 55

Mr. Speaker, Bill 69 makes a number of moved into Committee of the Whole for amendments to the Legislative today. Assembly and Executive Council Act. ---Unanimous consent granted These include amendments to: MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Miltenberger. • allow for the duration of the Legislative Assembly to be extended BILL 70: in the event of a postponed polling APPROPRIATION ACT day under the Elections and (INFRASTRUCTURE Plebiscites Act; EXPENDITURES), • align the sitting requirements of the 2016-2017 Legislative Assembly with the HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: I Northwest Territories Act (Canada); move, seconded by the honourable • clarify certain provisions in respect of Member for Yellowknife South, that Bill processes for appointments and 70, Appropriation Act (Infrastructure revocations; and Expenditures), 2016-2017, be read for the second time. • extend the period before an election within which a vacancy may occur This bill authorizes the Government of without requiring a by-election. the Northwest Territories to make infrastructure expenditures for the 2016- The bill also makes a related 2017 fiscal year. Thank you. amendment to the Elections and Plebiscites Act with respect to a MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. postponed polling day in the event of Miltenberger. The motion is in order. To conflict with a federal election period. the principle of the bill. This bill comes into force on polling day SOME HON. MEMBERS: Question. for the General Election that follows the MR. SPEAKER: Question has been dissolution of the 17th Legislative called. Bill 70, Appropriation Act Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Infrastructure Expenditures), 2016- MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. 2017, has had second reading. Bouchard. To the principle of the bill. ---Carried SOME HON. MEMBERS: Question. Item 20, consideration in Committee of MR. SPEAKER: Question has been the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill called. The motion is carried. 45, An Act to Amend the Workers’ ---Carried Compensation Act; Bill 49, An Act to Amend the Deh Cho Bridge Act; Bill 54, Bill 69, An Act to Amend the Legislative An Act to Amend the Forest Assembly and Executive Council Act, Management Act; Bill 56, Miscellaneous No. 2, has had second reading. Mr. Statute Law Amendment Act, 2015; Bill Bouchard. 59, Estate Administration Law MR. BOUCHARD: Thank you, Mr. Amendment Act; Bill 60, An Act to Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to Amend the Motor Vehicles Act, No. 2; waive Rule 69(2) and have Bill 69, An Bill 61, An Act to Amend the Public Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly Airports Act; Bill 62, An Act to Amend and Executive Council Act, No. 2, the Coroners Act; Bill 63, An Act to October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 56

Amend the Victims of Crime Act; Bill 64, back to order. When we left off on An Act to Amend the Co-operative Friday, we were on Supplementary Associations Act; Bill 65, An Act to Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), Amend the Safety Act; Bill 68, An Act to No. 3, 2015-2016. I will ask Minister Amend the Child and Family Services Miltenberger if you would like to take the Act, No. 2; Bill 69, An Act to Amend the witnesses table and bring witnesses into Legislative Assembly and Executive the Chamber. Council Act, No. 2; Minister’s Statement HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: 221-17(5), Sessional Statement; Tabled Yes, I would, Madam Chair. Thank you. Document 324-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): No. 2, 2015-2016; and Tabled Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Does Document 325-17(5), Supplementary committee agree? Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures) SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. No. 3, 2015-2016, with Mrs. CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Groenewegen in the chair. Thank you. Sergeant-at-Arms, could you please escort the witnesses to the table. 12) Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters For the record today, joining Minister Miltenberger is Sandy Kalgutkar, deputy CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): secretary to Cabinet; and Mr. Mike I’d like to call Committee of the Whole to Aumond, deputy minister of Finance. order. What is the wish of the I would like to ask Members if they have committee, Ms. Bisaro? any general comments, please. MS. BISARO: Thank you, Madam SOME HON. MEMBERS: Detail. Chair. We’d like to continue with Tabled Document 325-17(5), Supplementary CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), Okay, detail. Thank you, Members. No. 3, 2015-2016. If we complete that, Please turn to page 6 of the tabled Tabled Document 324-17(5), document. Education, Culture and Supplementary Estimates (Operations Employment, labour development and Expenditures), No. 2, 2015-2016. If we standards, not previously authorized, are really efficient, we will move on to $100,000. Total department, $100,000. Bill 56, Bill 59, Bill 62, Bill 63, Bill 64 and SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. Bill 69. CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Thank you. Department of Environment Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Committee and Natural Resources, forest agreed? management, not previously authorized SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. $406,000. Total department, $406,000. CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. Agreed. We will proceed with that after a CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): brief break. Page 8, Finance, Office of the Chief ---SHORT RECESS Information Officer, not previously authorized, $120,000. Office of the CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Comptroller General, not previously I’d like to call Committee of the Whole October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 57 authorized, $160,000. Total department, we didn’t have enough funding to cover not previously authorized, $280,000. all the assets we wanted to, to get all SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. the security tools in place. This money will allow that to happen. Next year in CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): the capital plan, that $280,000 will go Mr. Bromley. back to Health and Social Services and MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Madam they will be able to spend the money Chair. Could I have an explanation of and the project will pick up steam in the this last item of $280,000? It sounds like next fiscal year. So, it’s not that there’s a there was a surplus in the child and surplus, there’s a cash flow issue from family services budget for the that project that we are re-profiling to information system that we’ve been this year, and that $280,000, again, as I trying to get in place for years now. In said, will be available for that project fact, I was told there was ongoing work next fiscal year and we’ll be in a position that we’d approved for this fiscal year to spend that money. Thank you. and that there was even more capital CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): dollars planned for next year to finish off Thank you, Mr. Aumond. Mr. Bromley. the Child and Family Services Information System. If I’ve got that right, MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Madam I’m questioning how there can be this Chair. The deputy minister has just said $280,000 in surplus given we’re barely exactly what I said, albeit in more halfway through the year, if I’m flowery terms. This is extremely understanding this correctly. Thank you. disappointing. We have been trying to get this approved, the Child and Family CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Services Information System, as the Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Mr. Aumond. Minister of Health knows, since the 16th MR. AUMOND: Thank you, Madam Assembly. It was recognized that our Chair. There’s no surplus in the child child and family services workers are so and family services project. It’s just that flummoxed by this useless piece of the project has faced some delays in software that they spend times driven to getting started. From a cash flow smoking, leaving the building and going perspective, they were not going to use out to smoke, because this is a useless all the money that was allocated in their piece of software that we have and it’s budget for the 2015-2016 year, so the affecting the delivery of child and family discussion and decision was around a services. The Auditor General was on couple of projects in Finance that were about exactly this stuff, and year after approved and proceeding. The first one year after year we’ve transferred dollars. was on the cash management function. I guess I’m just so tired of it and I can’t That was going to be spread over two imagine what our workers are feeling years and the thinking or the decision when they’re absolutely driven to was to try to use some of that surplus, extraction and doing unhealthy things not surplus but free up cash this year from a useless piece of software that from Health and Social Services to do they simply can’t even administer, that project over one year. For the follow, record the family’s history over security tools, because of the money time, extended family’s history over allocated in the IT budget for this year, October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 58 time, critical for being able to support MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Madam our families as needed. Chair. I just hope the Minister is right. Can I ask what’s going on here? Thank I’m hoping if I’m ever driven to listening you. to our proceedings a year from now… CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): ---Laughter Thank you, Mr. Bromley. I’ll go to … that I am not seeing this same thing Minister Abernethy. yet again. The sound system sure is a HON. GLEN ABERNETHY: Thank you, soaker for gobbling up cash. Just a Madam Chair. The Member asked comment. Thank you. roughly the same question when we CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): were discussing the capital budget for Thank you. I thought you were going to ’16-17. At that time I indicated that we say if I’m ever driven to smoking. Mr. have actually made some progress on Miltenberger. this file, significant progress. We are HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: moving forward with a brand new Thank you, Madam Chair. We as well system; we’re in the negotiations with a hope that the Member is never driven to potential provider. It’s not going to be a having to unwillingly watch the rebuild of the existing awful system that proceedings on TV to check up on this the Member has described, but given thing and we intend to honour the the time it’s taken to land on an commitment that’s laid out here. Thank appropriate vendor, someone who can you. actually do the work and give us the tool that is going to meet the needs of the CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): social workers that are involved in this Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. file and we’ve been seeking their input Finance, office of the chief information and advice as we move along to make officer, not previously authorized, sure that people are informed. $120,000. Office of the comptroller general, not previously authorized, We still anticipate the end date to be the $160,000. Total department not same. We just need to move some previously authorized, $280,000. money from this current fiscal year to Agreed? the future fiscal year because we’re not going to be able to spend all the money SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. this fiscal year. But at the end of the CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): day, we still are projecting the same go Thank you. Health and Social Services, live date that we’ve been contemplating administrative and support services, not all along. It’s more of a cash flow previously authorized, negative adjustment to make sure that we can $172,000. Total department, not actually get this project done and that previously authorized, negative we have the full funds in the appropriate $172,000. Agreed. fiscal year. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Thank you, Minister Abernethy. Mr. Turning to page 10, Public Works and Bromley. Services, asset management, not previously authorized, $1.5 million. Total October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 59 department, not previously authorized, MR. DOLYNNY: So now we’ve got $1 $1.5 million. Mr. Dolynny. million that won’t be spent until next MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Madam year and we’re looking at an Chair. I’d like to welcome the appropriation for the remaining $1.5 department here again today for the million to be spent in that same year. Is appropriations. Maybe if we can just that the understanding? Thank you. start this off with a simple lead-in MR. KALGUTKAR: Thank you. The question here, if we can get some level $1.5 million will be spent this fiscal year. of explanation what this $1.5 million MR. DOLYNNY: Now the story is means with respect to tenant starting to be a little bit clearer. So we’ve improvements. Thank you. got $1 million that’s destined to be spent CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): next year, we’re trying to spend $1.5 Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Kalgutkar million this year for tenant MR. KALGUTKAR: Thank you, Madam improvements. This is money that we’ve Chair. The department has $2.5 million had in our public coffers since May of in incentive money to do some tenant 2014. Is this money accruing any type of improvements on the YK Centre and interest? Where is it parked exactly? they got to receive that money in May Thank you. 2014, so it’s reported in our ’14-15 MR. KALGUTKAR: The money was Public Accounts. This appropriation is deposited into our Consolidated for the department to get the authority to Revenue Fund and depending on what start spending that money and the value of the fund was at the time the undertake those renovations. Thank money was deposited, it’s uncertain you. whether it was earning interest or not. MR. DOLYNNY: So, what we’ve heard Given that we are in a cash deficit today from the assistant deputy minister position, I would assume that it’s is that $2.5 million, not $1.5 million, was reducing our interest costs. Thank you. deposited in our public accounts in May MR. DOLYNNY: So, with the $1.5 of 2014. Now we’re looking for an million that we have before us right now, appropriation to spend $1.5 million. what is the intention of this money to be Where is the remaining of this money spent on during this fiscal year? Thank and where was it spent? Thank you. you. MR. KALGUTKAR: The remaining $1 MR. KALGUTKAR: I think the main million is in the 2016-17 Capital intent is to proceed with the tenant Estimates. agreements at the YK Centre. I believe MR. DOLYNNY: So it’s safe to assume it’s the third floor for the financial shared that that $1 million that was in last year’s services offices. main estimates were spent directly on CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): the YK Centre tenant improvements? Thank you, Mr. Kalgutkar. Mr. Aumond. Thank you. MR. AUMOND: Thank you, Madam MR. KALGUTKAR: That $1 million is in Chair. Mr. Kalgutkar said it’s for the the 2016-17 Capital Estimates, so it third. It’s also for the fourth floors of the won’t be spent until the next fiscal year. YK Centre where the Department of Transportation used to be. They moved October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 60 from YK Centre to the new office total, will be spent at the YK Centre building and that space is going to be building itself and not be used for any refitted up for GNWT clients who will other project or projects within our occupy that building. Thank you. Public Works and Services? Again, by CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): what way are we able to guarantee that Thank you, Mr. Aumond. Mr. Dolynny. this money is being spent where the money was given to? MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Madam Chair. When is the anticipated date of CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): completion for these renovations Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Aumond. pursuant to the $1.5 million we have MR. AUMOND: Thank you, Madam before us today? Thank you. Chair. The inducement of the $2.5 MR. AUMOND: The $1.5 million in million is part of the lease that we have addition to the $1 million is for the same with the landlord, and so our project. It’s just over the two fiscal years accountability around that would be in and should be completed sometime in the lease with the landlord, who will be the 2016-17 fiscal year. Thank you. undertaking the inducements, presumably, on behalf of the GNWT. MR. DOLYNNY: Because I may not be here to see the completion of this MR. DOLYNNY: Were there any project, by what proof or performance caveats to that $2.5 million in total in guaranteed where 18th Assembly terms of performance, if we weren’t able Regular Members are able to follow this to perform our duties to use that money spending and making sure that indeed wisely or efficiently or effectively to the the government is compliant with all the betterment of the YK Centre terms and conditions to the overall $2.5 improvement? Were there any caveats million given to us? Thank you. that that money would go back to the landlord? CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Kalgutkar. MR. AUMOND: The caveat, in the Member’s terms, are with the provisions MR. KALGUTKAR: Thank you, Madam of the lease. It has to be spent on the Chair. The first $1.5 million will show up landlord’s properties. If not the YK in our ’15-16 Public Accounts. Funding Centre, it could be spent on another that’s carried over from that $1.5 million, property that we would lease from the the Assembly of the day will see it in the landlord. But the landlord will be capital carry-overs and the total project undertaking and managing those will be accounted for in the ’16-17 Public inducements, so the landlord will be in a Accounts. Thank you. very good position to know if we’re CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): spending the money on his property or Thank you, Mr. Kalgutkar. Mr. Dolynny. not. MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Madam MR. DOLYNNY: Does the landlord Chair. I appreciate the answer. It was receive an accounting of the money more the accounting aspect of the being spent in terms of, again, back to question. I guess the real question is: By the proof of performance? Do we supply what mechanism do we have to receipts as to contractor payments or of guarantee that those monies that we that nature? By which way does the have are given to us, $2.5 million in October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 61 contractor provide that information either COMMITTEE MOTION 141-17(5): through us, who is possibly doing our CONCURRENCE OF TABLED work for us, back to the landlord to DOCUMENT make sure that we actually are following 325-17(5): SUPPLEMENTARY through to the T and I that we have in ESTIMATES relationship to this agreement. (INFRASTRUCTURE CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): EXPENDITURES), T and I. Interesting. Mr. Aumond. NO. 3, 2015-2016, CARRIED MR. AUMOND: Thank you, Madam Chair. There would be a scope of work MS. BISARO: Thank you, Madam agreed to with the landlord and Chair. I move that consideration of particularly if there is a third party who is Tabled Document 325-17(5), undertaking the tenant improvements, Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure but in this case I think the landlord will Expenditures), No. 3, 2015-2016, be be managing them themselves, and now concluded and that Tabled there would be a costing that would be Document 325-17(5) be reported and associated with that that both the recommended as ready for further landlord and, in this case, Public Works consideration in formal session through and Services would have to sign off on the form of an appropriation bill. for the value of the work, and that would CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): be the proof and the verification that the Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. The motion is in money was being used for its intended order. To the motion. purpose. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Question. CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Thank you, Public Works and Services, Question is being called. The motion is asset management, not previously carried. authorized, $1.5 million. Total department, not previously authorized, ---Carried $1.5 million. Agreed? I would like to thank the Minister and his SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. officials. I’ll turn the floor over, then, to Minister Miltenberger for his opening CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): comments on our next bill, please. Does the committee agree that we have concluded consideration of Tabled HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: I Document 325-17(5)? am here to present Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. No. 2, 2015-2016. This document CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): proposes an increase of $50.7 million in Thank you. Ms. Bisaro. operations expenditures for the 2015- 2016 fiscal year. The more significant items are: 1. a total of $24.5 million for the Department of Environment and Natural Resources for the increased costs incurred during the 2015-2016 October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 62

fire season. Twenty point nine million the Members now for any general dollars of this amount was approved comments. by a special warrant in June 2015 SOME HON. MEMBERS: Detail. and is now being included in the supplementary request. CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Detail? Okay. If I could get your 2. $22.1 million for the Department of attention, please, to page 4 of the Finance to contribute funding to the document. Education, Culture and NWT Power Corporation to mitigate Employment, labour development and the impact of extreme low water standards, not previously authorized, conditions in the Snare Hydro system $1.250 million. Total department, not against NWT residents’ power costs. previously authorized, $1.250 million. I think Members will agree that this SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. level of investment is not sustainable over the long run and that CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): government needs to start taking Thank you. Environment and Natural steps to reducing power costs for Resources, forest management, special governments, businesses and warrants, $20.908 million, not previously residents. authorized, $3.635 million. Water resources, not previously authorized, The GNWT has already made $255,000. Total department, special significant efforts and investments to warrants, $20.908 million, and not reduce internal power consumption. previously authorized, $3.890 million. However, more needs to be done to Mr. Dolynny. encourage our residents and businesses to do the same. MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Madam Chair. Again, I’d like to welcome the The most immediate way of doing this department here today. I guess, first and is to provide additional funding to foremost, I want to extend my programs currently being delivered congratulations to the fire suppression through the Arctic Energy Alliance, or teams that work with us, that work AEA, and to accelerate NTPC’s LED alongside us through our MARS Streetlight Replacement Program. agreements for doing an outstanding job If Members agree, 10 percent, or $2.2 this fire season. In the wake of what million, of this funding will be we’re continuously hearing as some of committed: $1.8 million to AEA and the heaviest drought years that this $400,000 to NTPC programming for territory has seen for many years, 2015-2016 to enhance energy decades, I’m very pleased that there conservation in the NWT. was no loss of life and that there was 3. $1 million in incremental costs very little loss in terms of buildings and associated with the current year dwellings. operations of the new Hay River The reason why I’m leading into that is I Regional Health Centre. want to make it perfectly clear that any I am prepared to review the details of comments we have with respect to any the supplementary estimates document. money spent in this area isn’t a reflection of the people working for us or CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): working under us. That is distant to the Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. I’ll ask October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 63 question at hand. The question before That being said, I’m still a bit perplexed us is the amount of money spent in that we have a warrant in front of us for order to provide these services to a number of dollars with respect to protect the public and the Northwest forest management and fire suppression Territories as a whole. yet very little information with respect to We know that special warrants fall under where that money was spent, not how it a certain category in terms of being was spent or any type of breakdown. spent, and with it should come the I know there was some dialogue going explanation in due course or to follow on behind the scenes with the with respect to how those monies were department and myself, as a Member. spent. Point in question, last year when We had some discussions in the we spent well over $55 million in fire backroom P and P, Priorities and suppression as a special warrant, and Planning, with respect to how can we we waited, as a committee and as better do this. The onus was put on the Members, very diligently to find out what Members of that committee to come up exactly was the breakdown of that over with a list of areas of opportunity. I find $55 million. We all waited very patiently that to be a bit problematic that I, as a for five or six months, only to see a fire Member, or even a committee is suppression support that really talked at expected to come up with the a very high level in terms of a parameters of how the money is spent. bureaucratic level for policy change and This is something that should be performance change and the fact that provided to us by the purveyors and we needed maybe better equipment and stewards of the people’s spending. So I more sophistication to deal with the will throw this back into the department science of fire. But that report only broke here today in terms of how can they down three significant numbers to provide, and in what way can they literally entail the spending of an amount provide, a better and more fulsome far greater than we would provide detail approach to breaking down these for other appropriations that this numbers and providing more of a public committee has reviewed. discourse in how the money was spent So, many of us, including myself, were and have a certain standard we can use very disheartened that very little from year to year so we can completely emphasis was given on writing backup understand how efficient or inefficient, as to what we actually spent our money as it may be, in terms of we are on. It was taken by default. It was a spending hard-earned tax dollars to fight “trust us, don’t worry.” It’s a $55 million the fires of the Northwest Territories. trust us program. We can’t continue to Again, to the Minister and to the go along this same course of action as department: Is there a list of Members of this House. We have a measurables, in terms of accounting responsibility and a due diligence to measurable, that we can use to clearly protect the public purse and it provides articulate the volume of money that we a level of transparency and spend? Thank you. accountability that every one of us here CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): has taken oath to four years ago. Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Minister Miltenberger. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 64

HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: at this stage, close to $80 million of Thank you, Madam Chair. We did taxpayers’ money spent on fire provide some extra information on a go- suppression? Yet, I can tell you on one forward basis. If the request is a hand, Madam Chair, how many comprehensive, very detailed package numbers I got to approve that spending. that will capture all our costs in terms of Will the Minister commit to provide material, fire crews, aircraft, we can Members of this House and also commit commit to provide that. We can work that there is a transition piece for the through the committee before the next 18th Legislative Assembly so this fire season, the format, to make sure it question does not need to be asked by captures the needs of committee in future Members of the 18th Assembly? terms of accountability and such. We can build that in so it’s not at the level HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: As where it is currently. Thank you. we speak, the folks will be pulling together a package that we will put on MR. DOLYNNY: I appreciate the offer the table and provide to committee of the Minister, but the Minister clearly is members. It will be part of the record on aware. the sands of the hour glass are a go-forward basis. We will do what we dissipating quite quickly. What he’s can for last year, but we’ll do this year asking for in terms of number of days for sure. I will commit to that. We’ll make left is not feasible, it’s not going to it part of the record that that will be the happen in time. This is going to fall on expectation for all further supplementary deaf ears once again. It will be picked or special warrant appropriations. Thank th up by the 18 Assembly, hopefully, and you. through some stewardship that we are going to become better people at doing MR. DOLYNNY: I appreciate the this job. Minister’s offering. I will take it with much enthusiasm. Unfortunately, it may This is not the responsibility of a not help us a lot today. It’s important, as Member. This is not the responsibility of we said, on a go-forward basis that a committee to ask the government to Members on this side of the House, if provide information. It should be we’re dealing with any type of provided willingly. This information appropriation, it doesn’t matter the dollar should be provided in an accounting figure and especially when it does methodology framework which is subject matter with specific large numbers, such to the right type of scrutiny for the as we have before us, that Members are amount that’s being asked on behalf of well informed to the point that we can us to approve. make good decisions for the people that Again I will turn it back to the Minister: we serve. I take this information with Will he commit his department before respect and I look forward to the the 18th Assembly to provide a complete expedient performance of the listing of accounting breakdown for department in following through with money spent, not only for this past what they’re offering. Thank you, calendar year but go back to last year’s Madam Chair. $55 million, and provide some level of CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): accounting other than three or four large Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Next on the list numbers to make up that which is really, I have Ms. Bisaro. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 65

MS. BISARO: Thank you, Madam I would like to state that I think we are Chair. I have a question on this page, as getting too free with being overdrawn in well, with regard to the forest our supplementary reserve and I would management item and the fire caution Members and the Department of suppression. Before I get there, I do Finance to be really careful, more want to make a comment about the careful than they already are, about the impact the total amount of these impact all these expenditures have on supplementary estimates, the our bottom line. operations expenditures, are having on With regard to the special warrant and our budgeting, so to speak, the impact the $3.6 million that is being asked for on our finances. fire suppression, thankfully we had a Prior to this supplementary estimate, better year this year than we did last this request for $29.8 million, we had a year, so we’re not being asked to supplementary reserve. We set one up approve as much as we were asked to every year. We had about $23 million in approve last year in a supp. However, I our supplementary reserve. So you take looked at the total cost of fire the cost of this particular supplementary suppression this year and it comes out expenditure and it puts us in the hole to some $57 million. Last year, I believe, some $26 million. You and I, Madam it was quite a bit higher. It makes me Chair, in our household budgeting wonder again, in terms of budgeting, we wouldn’t be able to put ourselves in the know we’re liable to be stuck in a hole without getting ourselves into hot drought situation for another year or water and perhaps having to sell two, maybe three or four – hopefully not something off to pay for the deficit. – but I again ask, why don’t we budget I appreciate that we have extraordinary the amount of money we are going to circumstances, but either we need to need more closely to the amount of increase our supplementary reserve in money we actually end up spending? anticipation of extraordinary When I first started, our fire suppression circumstances happening and the budget was a minimal amount. I think supplementary reserve is supposed to the amount in the budget was for an deal with the extraordinary absolute perfect year and I think it’s circumstances that come up year to gradually been increased somewhat but year. But we almost seem to be using I think we still under-budget what we the supplementary reserve for whatever require for fire suppression and I would it is we need it for and then when we like to ask why we don’t put in a better come up against really extraordinary number, a number that’s closer to reality expenditures, such as fire suppression when we’re budgeting for fire costs and/or low water surcharges for suppression. Thank you. electricity, then we put ourselves deeply CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): in the hole. It doesn’t seem to really Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Minister matter, and I know it has an impact on Miltenberger. our financing because we have to borrow more money. It increases our HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: costs on any number of things. Thank you, Madam Chair. We are at work looking at expanding the base budget for fire suppression to make it October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 66 more reflective of some of the costs. supplementary reserve by half as much One of the challenges we face with as what it was in the first place. So, I’m every other jurisdiction is we are now glad to hear that. I was going to say any quite routinely, at least the last few guess is going to be better than what years and if you look around the world, we’ve got, but I guess an educated like in North and South Carolina, for guess, a better educated guess is going example, extreme weather events that to be I think better for us in the budget in are coming in. We’ve had some the long run. So, just a comment. discussions, as a Finance department, Thanks, Madam Chair. about how do we best capture the CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): pressures from extreme weather events Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Next I have Mr. that aren’t tied to the routine business Bromley. that supplementary appropriations are designed to capture, that are going to be MR. BROMLEY: Thank you, Madam more and more reflective of what's Chair. I think we had three separate hits happening with global warming and before we finally got to our final number climate change. on fire suppression costs last fiscal year. I’m wondering: do we know if this is the I appreciate the Member’s concern and last one or do we anticipate whether it’s ours as well. We need to capture there could be more supps for fire how we account for those major events suppression for this fiscal year. that are a very big drain on the public Obviously, it would be handled by the purse. At the same time, we want to 18th Assembly. Thank you. make sure that we still use the supplementary reserves appropriately, CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): so part of the discussion is maybe there Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Mr. is a separate column and a separate Miltenberger. way to account for those and it’s not a HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: discussion that we’ve finished having Thank you, Madam Chair. We anticipate and it’s a discussion that we’ll be that this is the final supp that will be continuing to have with committee, as required. Thank you. well, as we accept the reality. Most of us MR. BROMLEY: So, what would be the would accept the reality that extreme final amount for this year for fire weather is now upon us. I think every suppression? jurisdiction in the country is facing that, it HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: doesn’t matter which province or Thirty-two million dollars. Thank you. territory. Thank you. MR. BROMLEY: Thank you. I think last CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): year, the largest year we had on record, Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Ms. obviously, it was a challenge. We were Bisaro. a little more prepared this year as a MS. BISARO: Thanks, Madam Chair, result of having that experience. But I and thanks to the Minister for his know there was a comprehensive comments. I’m really pleased to hear review done by the department on the that the department is starting the performance during our ’14-15 year that discussion and is looking at ways to I’m sure we drew upon for the ’15-16 avoid us overspending our year. I wonder if the Minister could tell October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 67 us any areas that we improved our commented on that and I missed it. I am performance and perhaps our just wondering if this is something we proficiency as a result of that previous now do annually. Thank you. year’s experience. Thank you. HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: Yes, Madam Chair. The intent is to do a One of the big areas has been on the similar territorial-wide debriefing on the preparedness with emergency performance and issues and things that firefighters and extra crews that were need to be identified to follow up on. trained and standing by and ready to roll Thank you. that were there right from the start last CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): year. The year before last we were Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. gearing up just because of the Anything further, Mr. Bromley? unprecedented nature and trying to recruit emergency firefighters. We had MR. BROMLEY: I did have some an amazing response, but this year comments on the climate change we’ve kept it in place. We’ve worked on related aspects of this, but I think since the training, so we now have a cadre of this is happening more and more often trained emergency firefighters. We’ve and coming up repeatedly in this supp, worked a lot on our communications. I’ll just save it and talk about it later. We’ve had the benefit this year of the Thank you. weather that worked in our favour. CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): We’ve had some good work with Buffalo Okay, thank you. Environment and in terms of their large land-based air Natural Resources, forest management, tanker ready to go, the Electra, after a special warrants, $20.908 million; not long struggle to get it certified. We previously authorized, $3.635 million. anticipate having that one, plus Water resources, not previously hopefully another one for fire season, authorized, $255,000. Total department, which will give us two state-of-the-art special warrant, $20.908 million, not land-based aircraft that will help us. previously authorized, $3.890 million. Every year there’s a MARS meeting, as Agreed? well, about all the work that goes on SOME HON. MEMBERS: Agreed. between provinces and territories to see CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): if there are any improvements in terms Thank you. Moving on to page 6, of equipment as well as the movement Department of Finance, deputy of staff and equipment. minister’s office, not previously So, all in all, I think we’ve learned some authorized, $22.129 million. Total valuable lessons, the big one for me department, not previously authorized, being the communication and having $22.129 million. Mr. Dolynny. emergency folks ready so we don’t have MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you, Madam to rely as much on outside resources. Chair. It gives me great pleasure to Thank you. finally get to this part of the budget, MR. BROMLEY: Thanks to the Minister which has been talked about here in the for that response. Will we be doing media for a number of weeks at the end another one this year? Is there an intent of August and early part of September to do that? Maybe the Minister when residents were notified that the October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 68 government took a lead action in trying we subsequently got three extensions. to mitigate the low water expenditures or After the third one it became imperative low water issue at Snare and Bluefish that we give the PUB some indication by and took it upon themselves to give a bit the end of I think it was August, that we of a bird’s eye view of what was about to were given the latitude of a final six come here today. This has been big in extra days. So we finally had to make the making and I’m glad we are finally the decision to give them the information having an ability to talk about this that they requested, which would appropriation in its full consideration. become part of the public record in First and foremost, just to give a bit of a terms of the operations. Thank you. background, I’ll allow the Minister to MR. DOLYNNY: Everything that we do maybe give us information indicating… here is to provide facts for the public to The Public Utilities Board had a hand in understand the money that we’re offering, from what we heard in spending on their behalf, and as the conversations on the floor of the House Minister indicated, there was here, extensions. correspondence given to Members. I Can you give an idea of what exactly don’t believe that information, in terms was going on between the department of public utility letters, is in the public and the Public Utilities Board in terms of domain. But I know that Members on these so-called extensions during this this side of the House received some last drought season and what did that correspondence just in the last week or mean in relationship to the appropriation so, which puts Members in a bit of a we have here before us today? Thank handicap situation because we weren’t you. made aware of the correspondence to and fro between the Public Utilities CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Board and the department. Can the Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Minister department confirm if this is indeed Miltenberger. true? Is there any proof that the HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: department shared high-level Thank you, Madam Chair. As the information with any of the committees appropriation for the previous low water here, both EDI, Economic Development, surcharge was spent, the Public Utilities or Priorities and Planning with respect to Board wanted to know, given the fact pertinent information leading up to the that the low water issue was continuing, appropriation and the announcement in what was the intention of the the early part of September? Was there government and what was the intention, anything given to committee members then, of the Power Corporation to to believe that there was something respond? Were we going to raise rates imminent in the works? Thank you. or was there going to be some other HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: accommodation made. We were There was ongoing discussion in just monitoring the volumes of flows, the about every venue about the ongoing needs, the extent of the low water, and water and the need to make a decision. we wanted to be as clear as possible When we finally reached the point of and see what was going to happen. So having to make a decision, there was a they wanted to know fairly early in June, letter written to committee and followed if my memory serves me correctly, and October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 69 subsequently a couple of days later by solar batteries; we’ve concluded the the public announcement about that operation in Colville; we’ve entered into matter. Thank you. power purchase agreement with MR. DOLYNNY: So, again, things are Lutselk’e and Bullfrog Power is another coming down to some more clarity. example. We’ve funded the final work to That’s an August 31st deadline that see what it would cost in Deline for mini Members were made aware. Prior to hydro. We also are continuing our work that I can assure Members here and in Inuvik with Storm Hills and another those listening in, Regular Members of site to see the viability of wind. We’ve the committee here weren’t fully aware just taken part in helping sponsor a of the severity and the gravity major North American Micro Grid happening behind the scenes. Of Conference that’s going to as well give course, we all understood there were us a great opportunity to see the low water issues. I mean, we’re quite technology and the financing support observant in that regard, but Members and the opportunities that exist across were somewhat handicapped, as I said, North America with businesses as in terms of having this type of everybody gets more and more involved information. Now that we have this in the opportunities presented by information and now that we’re renewable resources, switching to discussing this here today, I guess my alternative energy resources. question is, as a Member of this As well, we’ve also made efforts into committee, how did we deal with low areas where we do have some hydro water issues for the last year since the surplus to offer up that hydro to last time we put a $20 million subsidy communities like Fort Smith, Hay River back in the hands of NTPC? In the last and Res that are on the grid down there 12 months, what has NTPC done in at a wholesale rate to help cover their order to control its demand costs as communities. Thank you. management of diesel and what were MR. DOLYNNY: Thank you. I liked the those savings and how was that Minister’s reply. I know they’re doing lots quantified? Thank you. of work behind the scenes and I applaud HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: As their actions and I encourage them to we were dealing with the low water, we continue. were also burdened with a major retrofit We know that this appropriation before of one of the big turbines out at Snare, us, this ask is a part of that two-part which is costing in the many millions of process. The overall number I believe is dollars. At the same time across the $2.9 million that will be projected in its system, if that’s the question, we’ve fullness that we’re dealing with a much done things like push for the conclusion smaller amount here, the $22 million, in the thermal small communities that over $22 million. I guess, by what the transfer or the completion, sorry, the mechanism are we, as Members of this replacement of existing high use, high side of the House, able to follow and cost of sodium vapor lights, streetlights somehow account for where that money with LED lights. We’ve, of course, will be spent on exactly, and if that worked with the government to put in money is not needed, how do we know alternate energy replacements with that money will not be returned? What October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 70 are the mechanisms for how this money had low water and suggesting that there will be accrued, especially as I said, this was going to be a requirement to spend is a two-part process, there’s going to the money. So again, I wasn’t surprised be more money in the next fiscal year. when I read that this was coming, but I Again, I’m more inclined to find out how really feel strongly that we needed to be are we able to follow proof of better informed as Regular Members. performance in this money being spent So this particular expenditure, and I on diesel costs? Thank you. have to say again, this is $22 million, HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: which is pretty much the full amount of We will get that information. NTPC what is putting us in the hole in terms of tracks it to the litre and we’ve already our reserve. Again I reiterate that we indicated that we’d be prepared to need to plan better, particularly in terms compile that on an as required basis, of our electricity, but in terms of monthly, quarterly, whatever is the wish expending money in general. Thanks, of committee to provide that information Madam Chair. so that we can see how it goes over the CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): course of this fall and winter. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. We are going to, CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): I think, report progress here fairly Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Ms. shortly. I will let him answer you, but that Bisaro. clock is wrong. It’s actually five minutes MS. BISARO: Thank you, Madam to six right now. Mr. Miltenberger. Chair. I, too, would like to comment on HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: this extraordinary expense and I have to Thank you, Madam Chair. The Member say that in hearing that we were articulately laid out her concern on a spending up to $29 million for a low previous item similar to this one and we water surcharge, I wasn’t surprised. I had a good discussion. We agree that can’t argue with this particular we need to try to count better. It’s very expenditure, I can’t argue with the dollar difficult to anticipate things like low amount, but I can argue the process. As water, the duration and such, but we are was stated by Mr. Dolynny, Members looking at how we can better account for really didn’t have any opportunity to the money and the increasing number of consider this expenditure before it was extreme weather expenses that we are complete. Sure, there was a letter from being obliged to deal with. Thank you. st the Premier dated August 31 . I think CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): Cabinet was well aware and the Premier Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Ms. should have been well aware that Bisaro. Members were not meeting at that time. We weren’t scheduled to meet in MS. BISARO: Thank you, Madam committee until about the middle of Chair. I move that we report progress. September. I think Cabinet is well aware ---Carried that we don’t see correspondence CHAIRPERSON (Mrs. Groenewegen): immediately, that it’s sent out. Thank you. I will now rise and report Also, in late July, early August, I think progress. Thank you, Minister there was an article in the paper, an Miltenberger, Mr. Aumond, Mr. interview with NTPC suggesting that we Kalgutkar. Sergeant-at-Arms, thank you. October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 71

MR. SPEAKER: Item 21, report of MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Committee of the Whole. Mrs. Miltenberger. The motion is in order. To Groenewegen. the motion. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Question. 13) Report of Committee of the Whole MR. SPEAKER: Question has been MRS. GROENEWEGEN: Thank you, called. Bill 70, Appropriation Act Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your (Infrastructure Expenditures), 2016- committee has been considering Tabled 2017, has had third reading. Mr. Clerk, Document 325-17(5), Supplementary orders of the day. Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures) No. 3, 2015-2016; and Tabled 15) Orders of the Day Document 324-17(5), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), CLERK OF THE HOUSE (Mr. Mercer): No. 2, 2015-2016; and would like to Orders of the day for Tuesday, October report progress, and that consideration 6, 2015, at 1:30 p.m.: of Tabled Document 325-17(5) is 1. Prayer concluded and that the House concur in 2. Ministers’ Statements those estimates and that an 3. Members’ Statements appropriation bill to be based thereon be introduced without delay. Mr. Speaker, I 4. Reports of Standing and Special move that the report of Committee of the Committees Whole be concurred with. Thank you. 5. Returns to Oral Questions MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mrs. 6. Recognition of Visitors in the Groenewegen. Do I have a seconder? Gallery Ms. Bisaro. 7. Acknowledgements ---Carried 8. Oral Questions Item 22, third reading of bills. Minister 9. Written Questions Miltenberger. 10.Returns to Written Questions 14) Third Reading of Bills 11.Replies to Opening Address BILL 70: 12.Petitions APPROPRIATION ACT 13.Reports of Committees on the (INFRASTRUCTURE Review of Bills EXPENDITURES), 14.Tabling of Documents 2016-2017 15.Notices of Motion HON. MICHAEL MILTENBERGER: Mr. 16.Notices of Motion for First Speaker, I move, seconded by the Reading of Bills honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that Bill 70, Appropriation Act 17.Motions (Infrastructure Expenditures), 2016- - Motion 49-17(5), Dissolution of 2017, be read for the third time. the 17th Legislative Assembly 18.First Reading of Bills October 5, 2015 NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD Page 72

- Bill 48, An Act to Amend the - Bill 65, An Act to Amend the Mental Health Act Safety Act 19.Second Reading of Bills - Bill 68, An Act to Amend the 20.Consideration in Committee of Child and Family Services Act, the Whole of Bills and Other Matters No. 2 - Bill 45, An Act to Amend the - Bill 69, An Act to Amend the Workers’ Compensation Act Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 2 - Bill 49, An Act to Amend the Deh Cho Bridge Act - Minister’s Statement 221-17(5), Sessional Statement - Bill 54, An Act to Amend the Forest Management Act - Tabled Document 324-17(5), Supplementary Estimates - Bill 56, Miscellaneous Statute (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, Law Amendment Act, 2015 2015-2016 - Bill 59, Estate Administration Law 21.Report of Committee of the Amendment Act Whole - Bill 60, An Act to Amend the 22.Third Reading of Bills Motor Vehicles Act, No. 2 23.Orders of the Day - Bill 61, An Act to Amend the Public Airports Act MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Accordingly, this House stands - Bill 62, An Act to Amend the adjourned until Tuesday, October 6th, at Coroners Act 1:30 p.m. - Bill 63, An Act to Amend the ---ADJOURNMENT Victims of Crime Act The House adjourned at 5:55 p.m. - Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Co- operative Associations Act

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