NADCAP TASK GROUP CHAIR/STAFF ENGINEER ROUNDTABLE JUNE 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTES CONFIRMED MINUTES JUNE 27, 2012 ESTREL HOTEL & CONVENTION CENTER BERLIN, GERMANY
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 27, 2012
The meeting was called to order @ 1:10PM.
The following representatives were in attendance:
Task Group Chairs in Attendance:
Ken Abram Honeywell Aerospace Pascal Blondet Airbus David Day GE Aviation Kent DeFranco Lockheed Martin Kevin Dowling Spirit AeroSystems Phil Keown GE Aviation Manuel Koucouthakis Honeywell Aerospace Ralph Kropp MTU Aero Engine Scott Meyer Goodrich Corporation Tim Myers Honeywell Mitch Nelson Cessna Aircraft Company Tim Pruitt Rolls-Royce Jerry Satchwell Rolls-Royce Angelie Vincent Spirit AeroSystems
Other Attendees:
Muriel Auzanne Airbus Karyn Deming Goodrich Corporation Jeff Kingsley USAF – AFRL Alex Pohoata Honeywell Aerospace Richard Rumas Honeywell Aerospace Bobby Scott Bombardier Michael Walker Spirit AeroSystems Kevin Ward Goodrich Corporation Jan Wigren Volvo Aero Corp
PRI Staff in Attendance:
Jerry Aston Mark Aubele John Barrett James Bennett Rebekah Braun Will Calvert Nigel Cook Marcel Cuperman Bill Dumas Susan Frailey Phil Ford Michael Graham Rob Hoeth Scott Klavon Jennifer Kornrumpf
Page 1 of 5 NADCAP TASK GROUP CHAIR/STAFF ENGINEER ROUNDTABLE JUNE 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTES Jim Lewis Bob Lizewski Keith Purnell Ian Simpson Richard Sovich Andy Statham Kevin Wetzel
2.0 Opening Comments
I. Code of Ethics & Conflict of Interest
The Nadcap Personal Code of Ethics, Conflict of Interest and the agenda were reviewed.
II. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes
Motion made to approve the June minutes as written. Motion seconded and passed unanimously. John Barrett reviewed the Agenda for this meeting.
3.0 OPEN DISCUSSION
John Barrett asked if there were issues that any Task Group Chairpersons wished to discuss.
I. Observation Audits
Heat Treating has a problem with Suppliers refusing Audits. Their Task Group has been contacting the Supplier directly and not following the protocol of contacting PRI- Scheduling, so an accurate number of refusals are not documented. The Task Group is also concerned with checklist as it mostly evaluates the auditor and only one question is directed towards the audit process. Plus the Supplier’s perception of an Observation audit is a concern.
NMSE has few refusals because they state upfront the Observation Audit is directed at the auditor and not the Supplier.
Composites would like to improve the checklist and have received a few refusals.
It was mentioned that NOP-007 is in the process of being revised to include specific auditing criteria.
Welding also has problems with Supplier refusals. They are requesting to investigate whether there is a difference between the number NCRs on Observation Audits verses Non-Observation Audits. Glenn Shultz is researching the overall NCRs within Nadcap.
As an action from the SSC meeting held earlier this week, Eric Jacklin will be discussing the purpose of Observation Audits during the October 2012 SSC meeting.
Page 2 of 5 NADCAP TASK GROUP CHAIR/STAFF ENGINEER ROUNDTABLE JUNE 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTES Chemical Processing believes more NCRs are written, but cannot back up claim. They feel Task Groups should target problem Suppliers, specifically ones with issues as in not meeting the merit criteria, etc.
MTL would like specific commodity feedback. They feel a change to the process would be to allow those Task Group members who are well trained in Task Group Activities be the Observers for these audits.
II. Work Share Issues at Task Group
NMSE had a meeting scheduled with another Task Group, but the meeting was cancelled which was disruptive to the established agenda. Heat Treating creates sub-teams to attend other Task Groups so the regular the Heat Treating Task Group meeting continues uninterrupted.
AQS stated the more administrative meetings keep getting added, the less time the Task Groups have to conduct their business. It was noted that this meeting was shortened by 1 hour.
Welding recently lost their Secretary and is finding that work not getting done. The Coatings Task Group has a Supplier as the Secretary so only the closed portion of the meeting minutes are prepared by PRI Staff. Another suggestion was made to try rotating Secretary through the Task Group membership for every Nadcap Meeting.
NDT forms Ad-Hoc teams that hold conference calls between Nadcap Meetings to work on issues. They utilize Nadcap meetings to have the sub-teams report-out on all activities.
CP uses their Staff Engineers to remind the Ad-Hoc teams to communicate Task Group activities.
HT and COMP has the same small group of people that participate on the current Sub-Teams. They are asking how to get non-participants more involved. NMC has same issue, too and formed the Equitable Contribution Committee to research this across NMC and Task Groups level.
III. Suggestions for New/Small Task Groups
Nonconventional Machining & Surface Enhancement has essentially 2 Groups, NM and SE. There are a limited number of members for each group attending every meeting; approximately 20 companies are in and out of this Task Group. Some of these members also support multiple Task Groups, and would like to ask for a definition of “Subscriber Support”. CMSP has same issue, plus they are concerned with their succession plan as they are still a growing Commodity with a small number of Subscribers.
Page 3 of 5 NADCAP TASK GROUP CHAIR/STAFF ENGINEER ROUNDTABLE JUNE 2012 CONFIRMED MINUTES Elastomer Seals is a small Task Group and has found they get more support outside Nadcap Meetings. Recently they started working on checklist revisions between meetings rather than during.
ETG has a small core members and relies on the CSR to email reminders of open Action Items to the Task Group.
4.0 AUDITOR CONSISTENCY STATUS UPDATE
Nadcap Auditor NIP 6-01 draft Consistency
Mike Graham gave an update regarding the Auditor Consistency Status which will also be reviewed at the Planning and Operations meeting.
It was noted that CP, HT and NDT has agreed on the Standard Data set that will be incorporated into NTGOP-001 and balloted by October 2012. The Initial Auditor Training has received positive feedback from the email that was distributed prior to the June 2012 Nadcap. A pre-ballot of NIP 6-01 will be distributed before the August 2012 official ballot. The target implementation of the Initial Auditor Training is November 2012. Modifications will be needed for the t-frm-01 to add Task Group specific Appendices and define the process for utilizing the feedback data. Eric Jacklin will present the Auditor Observation program to the SSC for buy in during the October 2012 Nadcap meeting. A process for Auditor examinations for new and potentially current auditors is in place to monitor using the Dashboard.
NIP 6-01 was reviewed with the revisions suggested by the Auditor Consistency Team. The wording within the Auditor Contract will need revised plus research will need conducted to review NOP-002 as it was recently balloted.
ACTION ITEM: Mike Graham will email the revised NIP 6-01 to the Staff Engineers and Task Group Chairpersons for review prior to the official ballot of the procedure.
5.0 Wrap Up & ADJOURNMENT
I. Feedback
It was agreed that the current length of this meeting was adequate, and will remain for the October 2012 meeting.
II. Action Item Summary
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III. The meeting was adjourned at 1:58 pm.
Minutes prepared by: Jennifer Kornrumpf [email protected]
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