· · · · SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

· · · · · · IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF ORANGE

DAGNY KNUTSON,

· · · · Plaintiff,

· · · · · vs.· · · · · · · ·Case No. · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 30-2014-00745266-CU-PN-CJC RICHARD J. FOSTER, INDIVIDUALLY AND DBA LAW OFFICE OF RICHARD J. FOSTER, LAW OFFICE OF RICHARD J. FOSTER, AND DOES 1 THROUGH 100, INCLUSIVE,

· · · · Defendants. ______

· · · · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF

· · · · · · · · · · ·MARK SCHUBERT

· · · · · · · · · · ·June 30, 2015

· · · · · · · · · · · ·10:59 a.m.

· · · · · · 535 Anton Boulevard, Suite 400,

· · · · · · · · ·Costa Mesa, California

· · · · · · Deanna L. Keeland, CSR No. 10941 ·1· · · · · · · · · · APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL

·2· ·For Plaintiff:

·3· · · · · · ·CORSIGLIA, MC MAHON & ALLARD · · · · · · · ·By:· B. ROBERT ALLARD, ESQ. ·4· · · · · · ·96 North Third Street, Suite 620 · · · · · · · ·San Jose, California 95112 ·5· · · · · · ·(408) 289-1417 · · · · · · · ·[email protected] ·6 · · ·For Plaintiff:· (APPEARING TELEPHONICALLY) ·7 · · · · · · · ·LAW OFFICE OF JON C. LITTLE ·8· · · · · · ·By:· JON C. LITTLE, ESQ. · · · · · · · ·1433 N. Meridian Street ·9· · · · · · ·Indianapolis, Indiana 46202 · · · · · · · ·(812) 320-3367 10 · · ·For Defendant:· (IN PRO PER) 11 · · · · · · · ·LAW OFFICE OF RICHARD J. FOSTER 12· · · · · · ·By:· RICHARD J. FOSTER, ESQ. · · · · · · · ·500 East Pacific Coast Highway, Suite 210-A 13· · · · · · ·Seal Beach, California 90740 · · · · · · · ·(562) 598-9200 14· · · · · · ·[email protected]

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16· · · · · · ·MICHAEL BERNSTEIN LAW · · · · · · · ·By:· MICHAEL BERNSTEIN, ESQ. 17· · · · · · ·1140 Bayview Drive, Suite 210-A · · · · · · · ·Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33304 18· · · · · · ·(954) 561-4000 · · · · · · · ·[email protected] 19

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25 ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·INDEX OF EXAMINATION ·2· ·WITNESS:· MARK SCHUBERT ·3 ·4· ·EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE ·5· · · ·BY MR. ALLARD· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·5 ·6 ·7· · · · · · · · · · INFORMATION REQUESTED ·8· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·None ·9 10· · · · · QUESTIONS WITNESS INSTRUCTED NOT TO ANSWER 11· · · · · · · · · · · · Page· · · Line 12· · · · · · · · · · · · ·8· · · · ·14 13· · · · · · · · · · · · ·9· · · · ·22 14· · · · · · · · · · · · 10· · · · ·19 15· · · · · · · · · · · · 10· · · · ·25 16· · · · · · · · · · · · 11· · · · · 7 17· · · · · · · · · · · · 13· · · · · 8 18· · · · · · · · · · · · 15· · · · ·24 19· · · · · · · · · · · · 23· · · · · 9 20· · · · · · · · · · · · 26· · · · ·22 21· · · · · · · · · · · · 77· · · · ·23 22· · · · · · · · · · · · 78· · · · ·16 23· · · · · · · · · · · · 80· · · · ·23 24· · · · · · · · · · · · 90· · · · ·14 25· · · · · · · · · · · · 90· · · · ·25 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · INDEX OF EXHIBITS

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25 ·1· · · · · · · · · COSTA MESA, CALIFORNIA; ·2· · · · · · · TUESDAY, JUNE 30, 2015; 10:59 A.M. ·3 ·4· · · · · · · · · · · · MARK SCHUBERT, ·5· ·having been first duly sworn, testified as follows: ·6 ·7· · · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION ·8· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·9· · · · · Q· · Good morning, sir. 10· · · · · · · ·Could you please state your full name for 11· ·the record and spell your last? 12· · · · · A· · Mark Schubert, s-c-h-u-b-e-r-t. 13· · · · · Q· · Mr. Schubert, you've been deposed before? 14· · · · · A· · Yes. 15· · · · · Q· · Do you recall the ground rules so to speak 16· ·that apply to this deposition process? 17· · · · · A· · Yes. 18· · · · · Q· · Can I bypass those rules and get right to 19· ·the substance of this case? 20· · · · · A· · Yes. 21· · · · · Q· · Thank you. 22· · · · · · · ·If there's anything that I ask of you would 23· ·you please ask me to rephrase it which I will do so 24· ·gladly so you and I are on the same page? 25· · · · · A· · Yes. ·1· · · · · Q· · I would like to first start asking you about ·2· ·your relationship with Richard Foster who is a defendant ·3· ·in this case. ·4· · · · · · · ·Can you tell me approximately when you met ·5· ·the acquaintance of Mr. Foster?· And if you don't know ·6· ·the exact date or time, an estimate would be great. ·7· · · · · A· · Well, Mr. Foster was the president of USAS ·8· ·and I made his acquaintance a number of years ago at a ·9· ·convention, U.S. swimming convention. 10· · · · · Q· · Do you recall when approximately that was? 11· · · · · A· · No, I don't recall. 12· · · · · Q· · Was it when you were the national team 13· ·director for USA Swimming? 14· · · · · A· · No. 15· · · · · Q· · Was it when you were the head swim coach at 16· ·USC? 17· · · · · A· · Possibly. 18· · · · · Q· · Can you state the period of time during 19· ·which you were the head swim coach at USC, please? 20· · · · · A· · 1972 through 2006. 21· · · · · MR. LITTLE:· Hey, Bob, I can't hear what Mark's 22· ·saying. 23· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· We're trying to get the phone 24· ·closer, but it's on a cord. 25· · · · · · · ·Is there any way we can get this phone a ·1· ·little closer?· Let's go off the record for a minute. ·2· · · · · · · · · · · (Off the record.) ·3· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·4· · · · · Q· · And for the record, Mr. Schubert, when you ·5· ·refer to USAS that's caps U-S-A-S which stands for ·6· ·United States Aquatic sports; is that right? ·7· · · · · A· · Yes. ·8· · · · · Q· · Thank you. ·9· · · · · · · ·Do you know what Mr. Foster's capacity was 10· ·with USAS when you first met him?· Let me rephrase. 11· · · · · · · ·I'll represent to you that based upon the 12· ·information I have Mr. Foster was president of USAS from 13· ·2006 through 2010. 14· · · · · · · ·Does that refresh your memory at all? 15· · · · · A· · When I first met him he was the water polo 16· ·representative to USAS. 17· · · · · Q· · Can you tell me whether or not that was 18· ·before 2000 or after 2000? 19· · · · · A· · No, I don't recall. 20· · · · · Q· · How would you describe the nature of your 21· ·relationship with Mr. Foster from that point forward 22· ·personally?· For example, did the two of you talk on the 23· ·phone?· Did you go out to dinner from time to time or 24· ·anything like that? 25· · · · · A· · No. ·1· · · · · Q· · At any point in time did you develop what ·2· ·you would characterize as a personal relationship with ·3· ·Mr. Foster, meaning go out for a drink, have him come by ·4· ·your house, talk to him on the phone to talk about daily ·5· ·living issues? ·6· · · · · A· · No. ·7· · · · · Q· · At some point in time did you retain ·8· ·Mr. Foster for the purpose of negotiating an employment ·9· ·contract with USA Swimming? 10· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· That's what we talked about. 11· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· I'm not asking for attorney/client 12· ·communications, I'm asking him about the retention of 13· ·Mr. Foster where he was retained. 14· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· I would take the position that 15· ·unless your rules are different than ours, that even 16· ·that's privileged unless it's something of public 17· ·record -- your clients, my clients, Richard's clients. 18· ·At this point he cannot admit or deny, it would violate 19· ·privilege. 20· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· So let me just make sure I 21· ·get the question on the record because I respectfully 22· ·disagree, especially in a case where as here it's a 23· ·malpractice claim against the very attorney who was 24· ·retained by Mr. Schubert which we believe established a 25· ·conflict of interest.· But I can't control how you're ·1· ·going to instruct your client.· So let me make sure I ·2· ·get the questions out.· And if your instruction is to ·3· ·not answer the question, then that's something that ·4· ·we'll have to deal with later.· So let me ask it this ·5· ·way. ·6· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Yeah.· Before we do that can we ·7· ·go off the record a second? ·8· · · · · THE REPORTER:· Is that okay? ·9· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Sure. 10· · · · · · · · · · · (Off the record.) 11· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 12· · · · · Q· · And let me make sure I get the question. 13· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Before you do, Bob, I'm going to 14· ·object for the record.· You made a statement this is a 15· ·malpractice case.· This is a breach of fiduciary duty, 16· ·fraud, and dependent adult case, it's not a malpractice 17· ·case. 18· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· Let's go back on the record. 19· · · · · Q· · Mr. Schubert, at some point in time did you 20· ·retain Mr. Foster to assist you in negotiating an 21· ·employment contract with USA Swimming? 22· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· I'm going to instruct 23· ·Mr. Schubert at this time not to answer the question as 24· ·it may delve into attorney/client privilege without 25· ·prejudice absent a court order then we'll be happy to ·1· ·answer that.· Right now my position is that's part of ·2· ·the privilege. ·3· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·4· · · · · Q· · Over what period of time did Mr. Foster ·5· ·represent you as it relates to an employment contract ·6· ·with USA Swimming? ·7· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Repeat the question.· Read it ·8· ·back. ·9· · · · · · · · · · (The record was read.) 10· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Same objection. 11· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· And instruction? 12· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Yes, sir. 13· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 14· · · · · Q· · At some point in time did Mr. Schubert -- 15· ·strike that. 16· · · · · · · ·At some point in time did you consult with 17· ·Mr. Foster for legal advice pertaining to your being 18· ·placed on leave by USA Swimming in or about 2010? 19· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Same objection.· Instruct 20· ·Mr. Schubert not to answer the question. 21· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 22· · · · · Q· · At some point in time did you consult 23· ·Mr. Foster for legal advice pertaining to your 24· ·termination by USA Swimming as national team director? 25· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Same objection.· Instruct ·1· ·Mr. Schubert not to answer the question. ·2· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·3· · · · · Q· · At some point in time did you retain ·4· ·Mr. Foster to assist you in determining your legal ·5· ·rights upon your termination by USA swimming as national ·6· ·team director? ·7· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Same objection.· Instruct ·8· ·Mr. Schubert not to answer the question.· To be clear ·9· ·Mr. Schubert is not waiving any information that would 10· ·violate an attorney/client privilege. 11· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· And for the record I have not up 12· ·until now asked for any substantive information 13· ·concerning attorney/client communications.· I'm simply 14· ·asking about retention dates -- 15· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Understood. 16· · · · · THE WITNESS:· -- to establish the retention. 17· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· But he can not admit or deny a 18· ·relationship with a lawyer -- 19· · · · · THE REPORTER:· I'm sorry.· I can't hear. 20· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Jon, put your thing on mute, buddy. 21· ·Jon. 22· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· I don't want to entertain too 23· ·many speaking objections, I don't wish to do that.· But 24· ·just for the record to be clear any question that may 25· ·violate on attorney/client privilege can't be answered ·1· ·by Mr. Schubert.· Mr. Schubert is, therefore, not in a ·2· ·position to admit or deny an attorney/client ·3· ·relationship at this point with Mr. Foster whether it ·4· ·existed or not unless anything that was done was either ·5· ·of public record or somebody else.· If Mr. Allard can ·6· ·get that information from someone else other than the ·7· ·client.· But if an attorney/client relationship existed ·8· ·between Mr. Foster and Mr. Schubert, Mr. Schubert in my ·9· ·opinion is not the one who can answer that question. 10· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 11· · · · · Q· · Mr. Schubert, other than your employment 12· ·status with USA Swimming, have you ever retained 13· ·Mr. Foster for any other purpose? 14· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Same objection. 15· · · · · · · ·Other than this most recent case which 16· ·involved Dia Rianda versus Golden West College which was 17· ·of public record, Mr. Schubert was represented by 18· ·Rich Foster that is clear.· But beyond that any case 19· ·that is either not of public record or if the 20· ·relationship wishes to remain confidential or if none 21· ·exists, you can't go beyond the Dia Rianda case where 22· ·Mr. Foster was attorney of record for Mark Schubert. 23· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· So let me make sure I get the 24· ·question out. 25· · · · · · · ·So going back are you instructing him not to ·1· ·answer that previous question, Michael? ·2· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Yes. ·3· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· Thank you. ·4· · · · · Q· · Other than the USA Swimming employment ·5· ·matter and the Dia Rianda matter, Mr. Schubert, have you ·6· ·sought the legal input or advice from Mr. Foster on any ·7· ·other matter at any other time? ·8· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Same objection.· Other than the ·9· ·Dia Rianda matter I would instruct Mr. Schubert not to 10· ·answer the question. 11· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 12· · · · · Q· · Mr. Schubert, at some point in time were you 13· ·part of an executive committee for ASCA which is the 14· ·American Swim Coaches Association? 15· · · · · A· · No. 16· · · · · Q· · Are you aware that you were listed at some 17· ·point in time as being part of pay two-man or two-person 18· ·executive committee for ASCA? 19· · · · · A· · No. 20· · · · · Q· · Has anybody ever told you prior to me 21· ·telling you now that at some point in time you were 22· ·listed as being part of a two-person executive committee 23· ·for ASCA? 24· · · · · A· · No. 25· · · · · Q· · Have you ever attended any board meetings ·1· ·for ASCA? ·2· · · · · A· · Yes. ·3· · · · · Q· · How many?· If you don't have an exact ·4· ·number, an estimate, please. ·5· · · · · A· · Since 1975. ·6· · · · · Q· · Regularly? ·7· · · · · A· · Once a year. ·8· · · · · Q· · Have you been part of the ASCA board since ·9· ·1975? 10· · · · · A· · Yes. 11· · · · · Q· · Continuously through the present date? 12· · · · · A· · Every fourth year you have to sit off a 13· ·year. 14· · · · · Q· · So is it fair to say that since 1975 you 15· ·would serve a four-year term, take a year off, and then 16· ·resume another four years? 17· · · · · A· · Yes. 18· · · · · Q· · And would that apply through today; sir? 19· · · · · A· · No. 20· · · · · Q· · When did you stop serving on the ASCA board? 21· · · · · A· · 2010. 22· · · · · Q· · Do you know -- strike that. 23· · · · · · · ·Approximately when in 2010? 24· · · · · A· · September. 25· · · · · Q· · What is the tenure, if you will, for a board ·1· ·of director?· Would it be, for example, September ·2· ·through September? ·3· · · · · A· · September through September. ·4· · · · · Q· · For how long has that been in practice to ·5· ·the best of your knowledge? ·6· · · · · A· · Since before I was a member. ·7· · · · · Q· · So if I were to be a board member for ASCA ·8· ·based upon your knowledge my term would begin in ·9· ·September of, if it's this year, 2015 and would carry 10· ·through till September 2016? 11· · · · · A· · Correct. 12· · · · · Q· · Is there any document that you're aware of 13· ·that establishes that that is the -- or those are the 14· ·time parameters for -- 15· · · · · A· · No. 16· · · · · Q· · -- ASCA? 17· · · · · A· · No, I'm not aware. 18· · · · · Q· · Have you ever attended a board meeting for 19· ·ASCA when Rich Foster was present? 20· · · · · A· · No. 21· · · · · Q· · As a representative of ASCA have you ever 22· ·sought legal advice from Mr. Foster? 23· · · · · A· · No. 24· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· I want to object to that 25· ·question.· Slow down the answer.· But instruct the ·1· ·client not to answer the question, but it's a no. ·2· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·3· · · · · Q· · To your knowledge has anybody from ASCA ever ·4· ·sought the legal advice from Mr. Foster? ·5· · · · · A· · Not to my knowledge. ·6· · · · · Q· · What is your current relationship with ·7· ·John Leonard? ·8· · · · · A· · Friends. ·9· · · · · Q· · Would you consider yourself to be a friend 10· ·of Mr. Foster? 11· · · · · A· · Yes. 12· · · · · Q· · For how long a period of time have the two 13· ·of you been friend? 14· · · · · A· · Since before 2000. 15· · · · · Q· · And all of us have different definitions of 16· ·friendships. 17· · · · · · · ·What is your definition of a friend in the 18· ·context of your friendship with Mr. Foster? 19· · · · · A· · Distant friend. 20· · · · · Q· · What is your characterization as a distant 21· ·friend? 22· · · · · A· · See him once a year. 23· · · · · Q· · In what capacity?· At the USA Swimming 24· ·convention, for example? 25· · · · · A· · At the USA Swimming convention. ·1· · · · · Q· · At some point in time were you involved in a ·2· ·lawsuit entitled TYR Sport versus USA Swimming? ·3· · · · · A· · Yes. ·4· · · · · Q· · Were you a defendant in that case, sir? ·5· · · · · A· · I don't recall. ·6· · · · · Q· · Were you represented by anybody in that ·7· ·case? ·8· · · · · A· · Yes. ·9· · · · · Q· · Who? 10· · · · · A· · Rich Young. 11· · · · · Q· · Who selected Rich Young to be your attorney 12· ·in that case? 13· · · · · A· · USA Swimming. 14· · · · · Q· · What was the nature of the allegations 15· ·against you in that matter?· For example, sir, was it a 16· ·breach of contract?· Was it defamation?· Was it personal 17· ·injury? 18· · · · · A· · I had made a statement that was printed in 19· ·Sports illustrated that anyone who did not wear a Speedo 20· ·at the Olympic trials wouldn't be on the Olympic team -- 21· ·would be watching on NBC. 22· · · · · Q· · When did Mr. young -- strike that. 23· · · · · · · ·When did Mr. Young's representation of you 24· ·begin? 25· · · · · A· · I don't recall. ·1· · · · · Q· · Was Mr. Foster involved in that case? ·2· · · · · A· · Yes. ·3· · · · · Q· · Who did he represent? ·4· · · · · A· · Eric Vendt. ·5· · · · · Q· · Can you spell that last name, please? ·6· · · · · A· · V-e-n-d-t. ·7· · · · · Q· · Did you -- strike that. ·8· · · · · · · ·By communication you understand I mean ·9· ·email, personal talk like you and I right now, phone 10· ·call, any form of communication. 11· · · · · A· · No. 12· · · · · Q· · Do you understand that definition? 13· · · · · A· · Yes. 14· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Did you communicate whatsoever with 15· ·Mr. Foster during the pendency of the TYR Sport matter? 16· · · · · A· · No. 17· · · · · Q· · Not even a hello or how are you, anything 18· ·like that? 19· · · · · A· · When I did my deposition I said hello. 20· · · · · Q· · Was Mr. Foster ever present in any meeting 21· ·between you and Mr. Young? 22· · · · · A· · No. 23· · · · · Q· · Other than saying hello in conjunction with 24· ·your deposition, did you communicate with Mr. Foster on 25· ·any other occasion concerning the TYR matter? ·1· · · · · A· · No. ·2· · · · · Q· · Do you recall a time when the 2004 Olympic ·3· ·trials were in Southern California? ·4· · · · · A· · Yes. ·5· · · · · Q· · Who to your knowledge was in charge of that ·6· ·effort? ·7· · · · · A· · Kurt Krumpholz. ·8· · · · · Q· · Can you spell that last name, please? ·9· · · · · A· · K-r-u-m-p-o-l-t-z [sic]. 10· · · · · Q· · Thank you. 11· · · · · · · ·What was your understanding as to what 12· ·Mr. Foster's role was in the organization of the 2004 13· ·Olympic trials? 14· · · · · A· · Before you ask me for the spelling I didn't 15· ·say that Rich was one of the people in charge.· He was 16· ·one of the people in charge -- 17· · · · · Q· · Okay. 18· · · · · A· · -- and then Mr. Krumpholz. 19· · · · · Q· · Okay.· How if -- strike that. 20· · · · · · · ·You were at USC at that point in time; is 21· ·that correct? 22· · · · · A· · Correct. 23· · · · · Q· · How, if at all, did you interact with 24· ·Mr. Foster as it relates to the 2004 Olympic trials? 25· · · · · A· · My understanding was Mr. Foster's main job ·1· ·was water polo, and any interaction I had was with ·2· ·Mr. Krumpholz since he was the main person in swimming. ·3· · · · · Q· · Did you have any interaction with Mr. Foster ·4· ·at all at any time concerning the organization of the ·5· ·2004 Olympic trials in Southern California? ·6· · · · · A· · No. ·7· · · · · Q· · No emails, no letters, no memos that you're ·8· ·aware of? ·9· · · · · A· · Not that I recall. 10· · · · · Q· · At some point in time were you aware that 11· ·Mr. Foster was president of the Long Beach Sports 12· ·Council? 13· · · · · A· · Yes. 14· · · · · Q· · How was that brought to your attention? 15· · · · · A· · By Mr. Krumpholz. 16· · · · · Q· · What was your understanding as to what 17· ·Mr. Foster's duties and responsibilities were in 18· ·conjunction with his presidency of the Long Beach Sports 19· ·Council? 20· · · · · A· · I'm not aware. 21· · · · · Q· · Have you ever communicated in any way with 22· ·Mr. Foster in his capacity as president of the Long 23· ·Beach Sports Council?· For example, did you arrange for 24· ·a meeting with him because you wanted to talk about two 25· ·Olympic-sized pools that were being built or did you ask ·1· ·to use the pool for your swimmers at USC or something ·2· ·like that? ·3· · · · · A· · I have had discussions recently with ·4· ·Mr. Foster regarding the rebuilding of Belmont Plaza, ·5· ·but I don't know if he was the president at that time. ·6· · · · · Q· · In or about -- strike that. ·7· · · · · · · ·From 2004 through 2010 did you have any ·8· ·communications whatsoever with Mr. Foster in his ·9· ·capacity as president of the Long Beach Sports Council? 10· · · · · A· · No. 11· · · · · Q· · At some point in time was it ever brought to 12· ·your attention that Mr. Foster was a professional 13· ·distributor of Myrtha, M-y-r-t-h-a, Pools? 14· · · · · A· · Yes. 15· · · · · Q· · Have you ever engaged in any type of 16· ·business transaction with Mr. Foster in his professional 17· ·capacity with Myrtha Pools? 18· · · · · A· · No. 19· · · · · Q· · In your capacity as head coach of USC did 20· ·you have any type professional relationship with 21· ·Mr. Foster in his capacity as a distributor of Myrtha 22· ·Pools? 23· · · · · A· · No. 24· · · · · Q· · How about his national team director for USA 25· ·Swimming? ·1· · · · · A· · No. ·2· · · · · Q· · At some point in time was it brought to your ·3· ·attention that Mr. Foster served on the board of the US ·4· ·Olympic Committee? ·5· · · · · A· · No. ·6· · · · · Q· · So until I told you that right now you ·7· ·didn't know that? ·8· · · · · A· · I didn't know that. ·9· · · · · Q· · At some point in time did you retain 10· ·Mr. Foster to represent you in the Dia Rianda matter? 11· · · · · A· · Yes. 12· · · · · Q· · Why did you -- strike that. 13· · · · · · · ·Who was involved in the selection of 14· ·Mr. Foster as your attorney -- strike that. 15· · · · · · · ·Was Mr. Foster retained by you to represent 16· ·both your interests and the interests of Golden West 17· ·Swim Club? 18· · · · · A· · Yes. 19· · · · · Q· · Who was involved in that decision? 20· · · · · A· · Myself. 21· · · · · Q· · Did you and/or Golden West Swim Club have 22· ·insurance that paid at least in part for your defense? 23· · · · · A· · Yes. 24· · · · · Q· · Did you have to make arrangements through 25· ·the insurance company to retain Mr. Foster specially as ·1· ·opposed to, for example, an insurance defense attorney ·2· ·who would be normally retained by the insurance company? ·3· · · · · A· · No. ·4· · · · · Q· · How did it come to be that you secured the ·5· ·services of Mr. Foster pertaining to that matter?· For ·6· ·example, did you call him up and say I want you to help ·7· ·me out or did you tell your insurance company you wanted ·8· ·him and they got him or do you know? ·9· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Well, first of all, object to the 10· ·form of the question.· Any conversations between Mark 11· ·and Mr. Foster with respect to being his attorney in the 12· ·Dia Rianda matter is sacred and privileged and instruct 13· ·him not to answer any questions regarding any 14· ·conversations with Mr. Foster as to how he was hired, 15· ·when he was hired, any of those types of questions.· But 16· ·with respect to him being represented by Foster the 17· ·answer remains yes. 18· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 19· · · · · Q· · Why did you retain Mr. Foster? 20· · · · · A· · He was recommended. 21· · · · · Q· · By who? 22· · · · · A· · Kurt Krumpholz. 23· · · · · Q· · Did you personally inquire as to the legal 24· ·experience that Mr. Foster had in employment matters? 25· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Inquired Kurt? ·1· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· I'll rephrase it.· Probably a bad ·2· ·question. ·3· · · · · Q· · At the time you hired Mr. Foster did you ·4· ·personally investigate whether or not Mr. Foster was ·5· ·qualified to represent you? ·6· · · · · A· · Yes. ·7· · · · · Q· · What did you do? ·8· · · · · A· · Talked to Mr. Krumpholz. ·9· · · · · Q· · And what did Mr. Krumpholz say? 10· · · · · A· · He said he was experienced in employment 11· ·law. 12· · · · · Q· · Did you do anything else to ascertain the 13· ·competence of Mr. Foster before you retained him? 14· · · · · A· · No. 15· · · · · Q· · Did you know at the time you retained him 16· ·whether or not he had ever been involved in any type of 17· ·litigation involving employment matters? 18· · · · · A· · No. 19· · · · · Q· · Did you know at the time that you retained 20· ·him whether or not Mr. Foster had ever tried before a 21· ·jury any type of employment matter? 22· · · · · A· · No. 23· · · · · Q· · Did you know at the time that you retained 24· ·him anything about his experience, cases he had, clients 25· ·he represented, litigated matters, cases that went to ·1· ·trial, where Mr. Foster was involved? ·2· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Could you repeat that question? ·3· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· I'll rephrase it. ·4· · · · · Q· · Did you know anything about Mr. Foster's ·5· ·experience in litigating employment matters at the time ·6· ·that you retained him other than what Mr. Krumpholz said ·7· ·that he was experienced in employment law? ·8· · · · · A· · I was aware that Mr. Foster represented a ·9· ·number of high-level athletes. 10· · · · · Q· · Like who? 11· · · · · A· · Janet Evans. 12· · · · · Q· · Anybody else? 13· · · · · A· · Eric Vendt. 14· · · · · Q· · Anybody else, sir? 15· · · · · A· · Kate Ziegler. 16· · · · · Q· · Anybody else? 17· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 18· · · · · Q· · Did Mr. Foster represent any of those three 19· ·individuals that you mentioned in an employment case to 20· ·your knowledge? 21· · · · · A· · Eric Vendt. 22· · · · · Q· · That would be the TYR matter or something 23· ·else? 24· · · · · A· · TYR matter. 25· · · · · Q· · Did you reach out to Mr. Vendt to see ·1· ·whether or not he would recommend Mr. Foster to ·2· ·represent you in that case? ·3· · · · · A· · Yes. ·4· · · · · Q· · When did you make that communication? ·5· · · · · A· · I don't recall. ·6· · · · · Q· · What did he tell you? ·7· · · · · A· · That he was very satisfied with Rich's ·8· ·representation. ·9· · · · · Q· · How about Ms. Evans did you reach out to 10· ·her? 11· · · · · A· · Yes. 12· · · · · Q· · And what did she say? 13· · · · · A· · Similar. 14· · · · · Q· · Can you specify what you remember her 15· ·telling you, please? 16· · · · · A· · That she was very satisfied with Rich's 17· ·representation. 18· · · · · Q· · How about Ms. Ziegler? 19· · · · · A· · No. 20· · · · · Q· · Did you interview any other employer to 21· ·represent you and/or the club in that matter? 22· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form.· Instruct 23· ·Mr. Schubert not to answer that question. 24· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Maybe the word communication was a 25· ·bad one. ·1· · · · · Q· · Did you consider any other lawyer to ·2· ·represent you in the Dia Rianda matter? ·3· · · · · A· · Yes. ·4· · · · · Q· · Which lawyers? ·5· · · · · A· · Michael Bernstein. ·6· · · · · Q· · Anybody else? ·7· · · · · A· · Yes.· But I don't recall the name. ·8· · · · · Q· · Did you interview Mr. Foster before ·9· ·retaining him?· Strike that.· Yeah, that was a good one. 10· · · · · · · ·Did you interview Mr. Foster before you 11· ·decided to retain him? 12· · · · · A· · Yes. 13· · · · · Q· · Did you interview anybody else? 14· · · · · A· · Yes. 15· · · · · Q· · Who did you interview who was a California 16· ·licensed lawyer? 17· · · · · A· · I don't recall his name. 18· · · · · Q· · You answered one question the person was a 19· ·male. 20· · · · · · · ·Where did the person practice law to the 21· ·best of your knowledge? 22· · · · · A· · Irvine. 23· · · · · Q· · Who was present during that interview? 24· · · · · A· · Myself and him. 25· · · · · Q· · And why did you decide not to the retain ·1· ·that person? ·2· · · · · A· · Financial reasons. ·3· · · · · Q· · Can you be more specific in other words was ·4· ·your -- strike that. ·5· · · · · · · ·Was Mr. Foster's hourly rate cheaper? ·6· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form.· That would ·7· ·be privileged. ·8· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·9· · · · · Q· · When you say financial reasons, can you 10· ·elaborate, please? 11· · · · · A· · I couldn't afford him. 12· · · · · Q· · And when you say you couldn't afford him -- 13· ·we talked about insurance earlier.· Was the insurance 14· ·company not involved in that initial decision making 15· ·process? 16· · · · · A· · Correct. 17· · · · · Q· · With regard to the 2004 Olympic swim trials, 18· ·were you involved whatsoever in that process other than 19· ·I'm guessing you had some swimmers who participated in 20· ·that event? 21· · · · · A· · I had swimmers that participated, other than 22· ·that I was not involved. 23· · · · · Q· · So as far as the meetings, setting it up, 24· ·organizing it, you weren't involved whatsoever? 25· · · · · A· · No. ·1· · · · · Q· · Had you ever had any type of interaction ·2· ·with Mr. Foster in his capacity with FINA? ·3· · · · · A· · Yes. ·4· · · · · Q· · Starting when, sir? ·5· · · · · A· · The only interaction I had was at a FINA ·6· ·Congress meeting was one day, I substituted for the ·7· ·president of USA Swimming and we sat together. ·8· · · · · Q· · When was that, sir? ·9· · · · · A· · July or August of 2009. 10· · · · · Q· · And was the president of USA Swimming at 11· ·that time Jim Wood? 12· · · · · A· · Yes. 13· · · · · Q· · So you sat in for Jim Wood? 14· · · · · A· · Yes. 15· · · · · Q· · Where was that meeting, if you remember? 16· · · · · A· · It was in Spain-- I'm sorry.· It was in 17· ·Italy.· I apologize. 18· · · · · Q· · How long was the meeting? 19· · · · · A· · Four hours. 20· · · · · Q· · What was Mr. Foster's role in that meeting? 21· · · · · A· · He was the delegate to the congress. 22· · · · · Q· · What does that mean? 23· · · · · A· · He represented USAS at the congress. 24· · · · · Q· · For how long were you in Italy in 25· ·conjunction with that meeting? ·1· · · · · A· · The world championships were held at that ·2· ·time, so I was in roam for about ten days and attended ·3· ·the meeting due to my attendance at the world ·4· ·championships. ·5· · · · · Q· · Other than the time you spent with ·6· ·Mr. Foster in that four-hour meeting, did you spend time ·7· ·with him at any other time during the world ·8· ·championships that year; for example, dinner, drinks, ·9· ·talking with him in the hotel lobby, anything like that? 10· · · · · A· · There was a meeting with Jim Wood, executive 11· ·director of USA Swimming Chuck Wielgus, myself, some 12· ·other representatives to discuss the next day's events 13· ·at the congress and the issues. 14· · · · · Q· · When was that meeting in relationship to the 15· ·FINA meeting that you mentioned earlier? 16· · · · · A· · The day before. 17· · · · · Q· · What generally was discussed during that 18· ·meeting? 19· · · · · A· · The mainly topic was the changes in 20· ·swimsuits. 21· · · · · Q· · How long did that meeting last? 22· · · · · A· · An hour. 23· · · · · Q· · Going back to the FINA meeting, what 24· ·generally do you recall being discussed during that 25· ·approximate four-hour period of time? ·1· · · · · A· · There were elections of the new president ·2· ·and there were discussions about the present rules ·3· ·regarding swimsuits and potential changes in those ·4· ·rules. ·5· · · · · Q· · I forget his name but the fellow from either ·6· ·Idaho or somewhere in the northwest, is that the ·7· ·president that was eventually elected? ·8· · · · · A· · This was the president of FINA.· He was in ·9· ·Uruguay. 10· · · · · Q· · Did you and Mr. Foster attend any other 11· ·meeting during the world championships in Italy other 12· ·than the FINA meeting and the meeting were Jim Wood and 13· ·the others with USA Swimming? 14· · · · · A· · No. 15· · · · · Q· · Do you recall any other formal meeting, and 16· ·by formal I mean in conjunction with aquatic sports, 17· ·that you attended along with Mr. Foster? 18· · · · · A· · No. 19· · · · · Q· · Let's talk about the Center of Excellence. 20· · · · · · · ·Do you know what I mean by that term? 21· · · · · A· · Yes. 22· · · · · Q· · Who's idea was it to form a Center of 23· ·Excellence, if you know? 24· · · · · A· · Mine. 25· · · · · Q· · What was the concept as originally formed? ·1· · · · · A· · The concept was to select outstanding ·2· ·coaches that would train for the Olympic games, train ·3· ·swimmers for the Olympic games. ·4· · · · · Q· · When did you form the idea or concept of the ·5· ·Center of Excellence? ·6· · · · · A· · 2006. ·7· · · · · Q· · Did you discuss the Center of Excellence ·8· ·idea with any executive for USA Swimming including ·9· ·Mr. Wielgus? 10· · · · · A· · Yes. 11· · · · · Q· · What, if any reaction, do you recall getting 12· ·from Mr. Wielgus on that topic? 13· · · · · A· · He was enthusiastic. 14· · · · · Q· · Did you discuss that concept with any other 15· ·executive for USA Swimming? 16· · · · · A· · Not executive. 17· · · · · Q· · Did -- strike. 18· · · · · · · ·At some point in time did you put your idea 19· ·into practice; in other words, you began the formation 20· ·of some sort of organization entitled the Center of 21· ·Excellence? 22· · · · · A· · In the fall of 2006. 23· · · · · Q· · And what occurred at that time in that 24· ·regard? 25· · · · · A· · We named Mecklenburg Aquatic Club in North ·1· ·Carolina as a Center of Excellence. ·2· · · · · Q· · And who was the head coach at Mecklenburg? ·3· · · · · A· · David Marsh. ·4· · · · · Q· · What distinguished the Mecklenburg ·5· ·North Carolina swim club from any other USA Swimming ·6· ·club? ·7· · · · · A· · David Marsh was one of the outstanding ·8· ·coaches in the country having won nine NCAA ·9· ·championships.· He resigned his position at Auburn to 10· ·take the position at Mecklenburg.· He was well 11· ·qualified. 12· · · · · Q· · Did the Center of Excellence ever take on a 13· ·legal form; for example, a corporation or a partnership 14· ·or something like that? 15· · · · · A· · No. 16· · · · · Q· · I'm just trying to figure out what makes a 17· ·Center of Excellence swim club a Center of Excellence 18· ·swim club. 19· · · · · · · ·Can you answer that? 20· · · · · A· · Olympic athletes and potential Olympic 21· ·athletes training with an outstanding coach and other 22· ·outstanding swimmers. 23· · · · · Q· · Did you at any point in time have a personal 24· ·financial interest in the formation of any club entitled 25· ·the Center of Excellence? ·1· · · · · A· · No. ·2· · · · · Q· · At some point in time after Mecklenburg was ·3· ·there another swim club that took on the title Center of ·4· ·Excellence? ·5· · · · · A· · Yes. ·6· · · · · Q· · Which club would that be? ·7· · · · · A· · North Baltimore Aquatic Club. ·8· · · · · Q· · And the coach there? ·9· · · · · A· · Bob Bowman. 10· · · · · Q· · When did the North Baltimore Aquatic Club 11· ·take on the title Center of Excellence, if you know? 12· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 13· · · · · Q· · Any other clubs that took on the name Center 14· ·of Excellence? 15· · · · · A· · Fullerton. 16· · · · · Q· · That would be FAST?· That's caps F-A-S-T. 17· · · · · A· · Fullerton Athletics Sports Teams. 18· · · · · Q· · When did FAST take on that title, if you 19· ·know? 20· · · · · A· · 2009. 21· · · · · Q· · Other than the title being placed next to 22· ·FAST, how, if at all, was it different than any other 23· ·swim club, that is FAST? 24· · · · · · · ·In other words, I'm trying to figure out 25· ·prior to 2009 you've got FAST, it's a swim club, you've ·1· ·got swimmers there, it takes on the name Center of ·2· ·Excellence. ·3· · · · · · · ·How does that change things? ·4· · · · · A· · John Urbancek who was retired from the ·5· ·University of Michigan owned a home in Fullerton, he's ·6· ·one of the most outstanding coaches in the world, and he ·7· ·was willing to take on the position at FAST. ·8· · · · · Q· · Was Mr. Foster ever involved to your ·9· ·knowledge in the creation of any Center of Excellence? 10· · · · · A· · No. 11· · · · · Q· · Have you ever discussed with Mr. Foster 12· ·anything about the Center of Excellence? 13· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 14· · · · · Q· · At any point in time was any Center of 15· ·Excellence funded by USA Swimming? 16· · · · · A· · Yes. 17· · · · · Q· · How so, if you know? 18· · · · · A· · From my budget with approval of the board of 19· ·directors all three of them were funded. 20· · · · · Q· · How were they financed? 21· · · · · A· · Travel expenses to competitions and in John 22· ·Urbancek's case part of his salary. 23· · · · · Q· · Other than Mr. Urbancek were any other 24· ·coaches for any Center of Excellence compensated in any 25· ·form or way by USA Swimming? ·1· · · · · A· · No. ·2· · · · · Q· · Was any Center of Excellence to your ·3· ·knowledge funded by the US Olympic committee? ·4· · · · · A· · Yes. ·5· · · · · Q· · Which club? ·6· · · · · A· · All three. ·7· · · · · Q· · And how so? ·8· · · · · A· · They would attend practices, give them ·9· ·physiological advice, draw blood for testing, fund 10· ·college scholarships. 11· · · · · Q· · My question was a poor one.· I apologize. 12· ·Let me rephrase it again. 13· · · · · · · ·To your knowledge was the US Olympic 14· ·Committee involved financially in any Center of 15· ·Excellence other than funding college scholarships? 16· · · · · A· · Yes. 17· · · · · Q· · How so? 18· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object on the form.· Asked and 19· ·answered.· If you're going to continue your answer to 20· ·the same question in my opinion but talk about blood and 21· ·whatever else but -- 22· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· I'm talking about the question was 23· ·limited, Michael, to finances. 24· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· This one's about how? 25· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· My question was limited to finances ·1· ·I'll ask it again -- ·2· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Okay. ·3· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· -- just so we're all clear. ·4· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Okay.· Thanks. ·5· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·6· · · · · Q· · Other than funding college scholarships was ·7· ·the US Olympic Committee involved in any other financial ·8· ·way with any Center of Excellence? ·9· · · · · A· · Yes. 10· · · · · Q· · How so? 11· · · · · A· · They gave a large amount of money to north 12· ·Baltimore for the support of Michael Phelps. 13· · · · · Q· · Any other way? 14· · · · · A· · No. 15· · · · · Q· · And would you indicate that the USOC funded 16· ·college scholarships, what does that mean, sir? 17· · · · · A· · There were grants that swimmers applied for 18· ·and that I recommended that was both in our budget from 19· ·the USOC and separate budgets from the USOC. 20· · · · · Q· · Can you approximate, please, how many 21· ·college scholarships were funded on an annual basis by 22· ·the USOC? 23· · · · · A· · Ten. 24· · · · · Q· · And were those ten scholarships spread out 25· ·generally over the three clubs? ·1· · · · · A· · And other clubs. ·2· · · · · Q· · Were these scholarships -- strike that. ·3· · · · · · · ·And when you say college scholarships, what ·4· ·do you mean by that? ·5· · · · · · · ·I'm assuming you mean someone's attending ·6· ·college like USC or Long Beach State and the USOC would ·7· ·pay for that? ·8· · · · · A· · Tuition. ·9· · · · · Q· · Were you involved in the hiring of Sean 10· ·Hutchison at FAST? 11· · · · · A· · John Urbancek suggested that Sean be hired 12· ·as John was unable to go to FAST immediately because of 13· ·duties at University of Michigan. 14· · · · · Q· · And what time frame are we talking about 15· ·right now? 16· · · · · A· · 2009. 17· · · · · Q· · Were you involved in the hiring whatsoever 18· ·of Sean Hutchison? 19· · · · · A· · Through recommendation. 20· · · · · Q· · What was your role in the hiring of 21· ·Mr. Hutchison? 22· · · · · A· · I recommended that FAST hire him to the CEO 23· ·of FAST. 24· · · · · Q· · Was that Mike Chasson -- 25· · · · · A· · No. ·1· · · · · Q· · -- or someone else? ·2· · · · · A· · Someone else. ·3· · · · · Q· · Who was the CEO at that time? ·4· · · · · A· · Bill Jewell. ·5· · · · · Q· · Other than recommending Mr. Hutchison to ·6· ·Bill Jewell, were you involved in any other way in the ·7· ·hiring of Mr. Hutchison? ·8· · · · · A· · No. ·9· · · · · Q· · What was your relationship -- strike that. 10· · · · · · · ·How would you characterize your relationship 11· ·with Bill Jewell as of 2009? 12· · · · · A· · Friendly. 13· · · · · Q· · And what do you mean by that, sir? 14· · · · · A· · He was a former assistant coach at 15· ·University of Southern California. 16· · · · · Q· · We talked about this in your deposition 17· ·before, but I need to ask it again for this case. 18· · · · · · · ·Were you at some point involved in the 19· ·secret surveillance of Mr. Hutchison by an entity called 20· ·Horsemen Investigations? 21· · · · · A· · I recommended them to Bill Jewell when he 22· ·asked me for a recommendation. 23· · · · · Q· · Did Mr. Jewell tell you why he wanted to 24· ·surveil Mr. Hutchison? 25· · · · · A· · Yes. ·1· · · · · Q· · What did he say? ·2· · · · · A· · There was a rumor going around the country ·3· ·that Sean was involved with one of his swimmers at FAST. ·4· · · · · Q· · When did Mr. Jewell tell you this? ·5· · · · · A· · October of 2010. ·6· · · · · Q· · As of that time were you employed or not ·7· ·employed by USA Swimming? ·8· · · · · A· · Not employed. ·9· · · · · Q· · At any point in time did you have any 10· ·intention of replacing Mr. Hutchison as head swim coach 11· ·at FAST? 12· · · · · A· · Never. 13· · · · · Q· · As a condition of your settlement agreement 14· ·with USA Swimming, did you represent that you would not 15· ·seek any employment with FAST? 16· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form; object 17· ·Mr. Schubert not to answer the question.· The agreement 18· ·between Mr. Schubert and USA Swimming as everyone in 19· ·this room knows is confidential.· At this point no one's 20· ·going to violate the confidentiality of the agreement or 21· ·discuss any terms of the agreement in this deposition. 22· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 23· · · · · Q· · Putting aside the settlement agreement 24· ·which -- well, okay.· Rephrase. 25· · · · · · · ·Did you ever have any communication, ·1· ·Mr. Schubert, with anybody from USA Swimming in 2010 ·2· ·concerning going to FAST after you were terminated by ·3· ·USA Swimming? ·4· · · · · A· · No. ·5· · · · · Q· · For example, did Mr. Wielgus and you ever ·6· ·have a communication wherein the two of you discussed ·7· ·what you would be doing after USA Swimming? ·8· · · · · A· · No. ·9· · · · · Q· · You have a relationship, do you not, with 10· ·Patrick Horsemen; is that right? 11· · · · · A· · Yes. 12· · · · · Q· · And I don't want to violate your right to 13· ·privacy, but at some point in time did he date your 14· ·daughter? 15· · · · · A· · Yes. 16· · · · · Q· · And at some point in time did your wife work 17· ·there? 18· · · · · A· · Yes. 19· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Is Horsemen m-a-n?· Sorry.· M-e-n? 20· · · · · THE WITNESS:· A-n. 21· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Thank you. 22· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 23· · · · · Q· · At some point in time did Mr. Jewell ever 24· ·communicate with you the results of the surveillance of 25· ·Mr. Hutchison? ·1· · · · · A· · Yes. ·2· · · · · Q· · What did he tell you? ·3· · · · · A· · That photographs were taken at 5:00 in the ·4· ·morning with their cars parked together at Sean's house. ·5· · · · · Q· · Did the two of you have any further ·6· ·discussion on that topic, for example, what to do with ·7· ·the pictures or something like that? ·8· · · · · A· · No. ·9· · · · · Q· · Did Mr. Jewell ever tell you what he 10· ·intended to do with those pictures? 11· · · · · A· · Yes. 12· · · · · Q· · What did he tell you? 13· · · · · A· · That he would have a subcommittee that would 14· ·interview Mr. Hutchison. 15· · · · · Q· · What, if you know, became of that interview? 16· · · · · A· · I don't know if Mr. Hutchison was fired or 17· ·resigned but he left the club. 18· · · · · Q· · Who replaced him? 19· · · · · A· · There was no replacement. 20· · · · · Q· · When did Mr. Hutchison to your knowledge 21· ·leave the employ of FAST? 22· · · · · A· · December of 2010. 23· · · · · Q· · At that point in time was Dagny Knutson a 24· ·member of FAST? 25· · · · · A· · Yes. ·1· · · · · Q· · Do you recall having any communication ·2· ·whatsoever with Ms. Knutson concerning the departure of ·3· ·Mr. Hutchison from FAST? ·4· · · · · A· · I don't recall. ·5· · · · · Q· · For example, do you recall her calling you ·6· ·up and saying I thought Sean was my coach and I've been ·7· ·here for a few months now and now he's gone and I kind ·8· ·of feel like I got shortchanged or something like that? ·9· · · · · A· · No. 10· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· No, I don't recall, or no, that 11· ·conversation didn't take place? 12· · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't recall that conversation 13· ·taking place. 14· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 15· · · · · Q· · Do you know if Mr. Hutchison was ever 16· ·presented with those photos that were obtained via the 17· ·surveillance? 18· · · · · A· · I'm not aware. 19· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Let's talk about Dagny Knutson. 20· · · · · · · ·When is the first time you recall that name 21· ·being -- I'll ask it a better way. 22· · · · · · · ·When do you recall first noticing 23· ·Dagny Knutson? 24· · · · · A· · At the Short Course Nationals. 25· · · · · Q· · What year, sir? ·1· · · · · A· · I believe 2007 -- I'm sorry -- ·2· ·December 2006. ·3· · · · · Q· · Prior to the spring of 2010 -- well, let me ·4· ·just ask it this way to establish some time parameters. ·5· · · · · · · ·Do you recall flying to North Dakota to meet ·6· ·with the Dagny Knutson and her family and a close circle ·7· ·of friends in the springtime of 2010? ·8· · · · · A· · At their request. ·9· · · · · Q· · Prior to that time had you communicated with 10· ·Dagny Knutson or any of her representatives? 11· · · · · A· · At the request of her coach. 12· · · · · Q· · Which coach? 13· · · · · A· · I believe her club coach and her high school 14· ·coach are the same. 15· · · · · Q· · And when do you first recall communicating 16· ·with Dagny Knutson on any topic? 17· · · · · A· · The club coach asked me to discuss with her 18· ·and Dagny the possibility of training at FAST because 19· ·Dagny's perceived coach at Auburn had resigned and moved 20· ·to a club job in Florida. 21· · · · · Q· · When did that communication occur roughly? 22· · · · · A· · April of 2010. 23· · · · · Q· · Who participated in that conversation other 24· ·than you and this coach? 25· · · · · A· · Dagny, her coach, and myself. ·1· · · · · Q· · So it was a three-way phone call or was it a ·2· ·personal visit? ·3· · · · · A· · No.· We were on the deck of the swim meet. ·4· · · · · Q· · Where was this? ·5· · · · · A· · Ohio State University. ·6· · · · · Q· · Please tell me everything you remember being ·7· ·discussed on the pool deck at Ohio state between you, ·8· ·Dagny, and Dagny's coach? ·9· · · · · A· · She asked me what kind of support she could 10· ·receive from USA Swimming and the Olympic Committee. I 11· ·talked to her about paying her tuition, her room and 12· ·board, and expenses to swim meets she was already 13· ·qualified for and monthly stipend she was already 14· ·qualified for. 15· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Let's go back to those categories. 16· ·And I want to separate what you remember being discussed 17· ·on the pool deck at Ohio State versus later; okay. 18· · · · · · · ·Can you segregate that in your mind? 19· · · · · A· · Yes. 20· · · · · Q· · Thank you. 21· · · · · · · ·What do you recall telling Dagny and/or her 22· ·coach regarding support Dagny could expect to receive 23· ·from USA Swimming if she went to FAST? 24· · · · · A· · Tuition from USA Swimming and USOC, room and 25· ·board, meet expenses. ·1· · · · · Q· · At that time did the three of you discuss ·2· ·the length of time during which these expenses would be ·3· ·provided; for example, a year, two years, four years, ·4· ·five years? ·5· · · · · A· · Through the olympics in 2012. ·6· · · · · Q· · Did you understand at that point in time ·7· ·that Dagny Knutson had a full ride scholarship offer to ·8· ·Auburn? ·9· · · · · A· · She shared with me that she had no intention 10· ·of going to Auburn. 11· · · · · Q· · Thank you for that, but that wasn't my 12· ·question. 13· · · · · · · ·Did you understand at that point in time 14· ·that Dagny Knutson had a full ride scholarship to 15· ·Auburn? 16· · · · · A· · That was never told to me but I assumed it. 17· · · · · Q· · And a full ride to you meant -- strike that. 18· · · · · · · ·You were head football -- strike that. 19· · · · · · · ·You were the head swim coach -- 20· · · · · A· · I only wish. 21· · · · · Q· · They're going to be good this year, too, so 22· ·it's unfortunate for us. 23· · · · · · · ·Rephrasing.· Understanding that you were the 24· ·head swim coach at USC for a number of years, what was 25· ·your understanding of what a full ride scholarship meant ·1· ·in the context of Dagny's full ride scholarship to ·2· ·Auburn? ·3· · · · · A· · Tuition, room and board, and stipend. ·4· · · · · Q· · Tuition for how many years? ·5· · · · · A· · One year under NCAA rules.· A coach can only ·6· ·promise a scholarship for one year. ·7· · · · · Q· · To your knowledge as of the spring of 2010 ·8· ·did Dagny have a scholarship offer from any other school ·9· ·other than Auburn? 10· · · · · A· · I'm not aware of any other school, but I 11· ·assume she did. 12· · · · · Q· · Is it fair to say that as of that time she 13· ·was one of the most sought after female swimmers in the 14· ·country? 15· · · · · A· · Yes. 16· · · · · Q· · Can you think of anybody as of that time who 17· ·was -- who had more ability than her? 18· · · · · A· · No. 19· · · · · Q· · Is it fair to say that she was the top 20· ·recruit in the country at the time? 21· · · · · A· · In my opinion. 22· · · · · Q· · What else do you recall being discussed 23· ·between you, Dagny, and/or Dagny's coach while on the 24· ·pool deck at Ohio State? 25· · · · · A· · Her dissatisfaction of the coach at Auburn ·1· ·leaving that she had been promised would work with her. ·2· · · · · Q· · And when you say "she" you mean Dagny? ·3· · · · · A· · Dagny. ·4· · · · · Q· · What do you recall Dagny telling you in that ·5· ·regard? ·6· · · · · A· · That the reason that she was going to Auburn ·7· ·was the program -- was the program that Paul Vetter ·8· ·could provide her as he was very experienced in 400IM ·9· ·because he had been Katie Hoff's coach. 10· · · · · Q· · Do you recall Dagny telling you anything 11· ·else at that time? 12· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 13· · · · · Q· · Do you recall Dagny's coach telling you 14· ·anything else at that time? 15· · · · · A· · Just that they were interested? 16· · · · · Q· · And what did you say in return? 17· · · · · A· · I said we were interested in making it 18· ·happen if that's what they wanted. 19· · · · · Q· · At the time you are the national team 20· ·director of USA Swimming? 21· · · · · A· · Yes. 22· · · · · Q· · I'm trying to figure out the connection to 23· ·FAST. 24· · · · · · · ·If Dagny wanted to go to FAST, why wouldn't 25· ·she be talking to Bill Jewell as opposed to you? ·1· · · · · A· · She chose to approach me on the pool deck at ·2· ·the Ohio State meet.· Actually her coach approached me ·3· ·on the pool deck, and then the three of us had a ·4· ·discussion. ·5· · · · · Q· · What, if any, was your affiliation with FAST ·6· ·at that time? ·7· · · · · A· · I was the national team head coach and FAST ·8· ·was a Center of Excellence.· But Center of Excellences ·9· ·are independent from my role in that they are supported 10· ·by parents organization fundraising within.· The idea of 11· ·the Center of Excellence was to provide funding 12· ·initially to the center to get it going, and then the 13· ·center would become self-sufficient as North Baltimore 14· ·and Mecklenburg became. 15· · · · · Q· · At some point in time after that Ohio State 16· ·meeting did you travel to the Knutson home in Minot, 17· ·North Dakota? 18· · · · · A· · Yes.· At their request. 19· · · · · Q· · Do you know who Larry Herr is, H-e-r-r? 20· · · · · A· · Yes. 21· · · · · Q· · Who is Larry Herr? 22· · · · · A· · He is an employee of USA Swimming. 23· · · · · Q· · How, if at all, would you describe your 24· ·relationship with Mr. Herr in or about the spring of 25· ·2010? ·1· · · · · A· · We had a coworker relationship. ·2· · · · · Q· · Did you fly to North Dakota with someone ·3· ·named Jack? ·4· · · · · A· · I don't recall. ·5· · · · · Q· · Do you know anybody named Jack who would ·6· ·have flown with you to North Dakota? ·7· · · · · A· · I don't recall anybody flying with me to ·8· ·North Dakota. ·9· · · · · Q· · Did you ever -- strike that. 10· · · · · · · ·Do you recall having any communications with 11· ·Larry Herr about Dagny? 12· · · · · A· · No. 13· · · · · Q· · Let me show you a document.· Can I see the 14· ·exhibit tabs, please? 15· · · · · A· · May I request a break? 16· · · · · Q· · Absolutely.· Please do. 17· · · · · · · · · · · (Off the record.) 18· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 19· · · · · Q· · Mr. Schubert, let me show you a document 20· ·that I've marked as Exhibit No. 1 -- I'll give you a 21· ·copy, Michael. 22· · · · · (Exhibit 1 was marked for identification.) 23· · · · · · · ·Ask that you read it first.· You can keep 24· ·that in front of you, please. 25· · · · · · · ·Does this refresh your memory as to who Jack ·1· ·is? ·2· · · · · A· · I know who Jack is; however, I don't ·3· ·remember him flying with me.· He may have, but I don't ·4· ·recall it. ·5· · · · · Q· · What is Jack's last name? ·6· · · · · A· · Roach. ·7· · · · · Q· · Do you see the name Mike Unger here? ·8· · · · · A· · Yes. ·9· · · · · Q· · And Mike Unger is what? 10· · · · · A· · Assistant executive director. 11· · · · · Q· · While you were employed by USA Swimming, how 12· ·would you describe your relationship with Mr. Unger? 13· · · · · A· · Friendly. 14· · · · · Q· · Do you recall having any communication 15· ·whatsoever with Mr. Unger concerning Dagny Knutson? 16· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 17· · · · · Q· · Do you recall having any communication 18· ·whatsoever with Chuck Wielgus concerning Dagny Knutson? 19· · · · · A· · Yes. 20· · · · · Q· · Specifically Dagny Knutson's attendance at 21· ·FAST? 22· · · · · A· · Yes. 23· · · · · Q· · What communication do you recall having with 24· ·Mr. Wielgus in that regard? 25· · · · · A· · Whenever a swimmer went to a center I would ·1· ·keep him apprised. ·2· · · · · Q· · How many communications do you recall having ·3· ·with Mr. Wielgus concerning Dagny's attendance at the ·4· ·Center of Excellence at FAST? ·5· · · · · A· · I recall one. ·6· · · · · Q· · Please tell me what you remember being ·7· ·discussed during that communication. ·8· · · · · A· · That she had decided to attend the center. ·9· ·Bill Jewell had arranged housing with an outstanding 10· ·parent that he trusted.· He did that because of her age. 11· ·And that she was going to attend a junior college under 12· ·the USOC grant program. 13· · · · · Q· · You recall telling Mr. Wielgus that the 14· ·junior college tuition would be paid for by the USOC 15· ·grant program and not USA Swimming? 16· · · · · A· · We had money.· As I recall we had money in 17· ·my budget for tuition to supplement USOC. 18· · · · · Q· · I'm limiting this for this present question, 19· ·Mr. Schubert, to your communication with Mr. Wielgus. 20· · · · · · · ·Please tell me what you remember telling 21· ·Mr. Wielgus about funding for Dagny at FAST. 22· · · · · A· · I don't recall anything specific other than 23· ·the generalities that I just mentioned. 24· · · · · Q· · What was Mr. Wielgus' reaction? 25· · · · · A· · He was excited that she was attending. ·1· · · · · Q· · When do you recall that this communication ·2· ·occurred? ·3· · · · · A· · I'm assuming it was May or June of 2010. ·4· · · · · Q· · And did you glean from Mr. Wielgus' reaction ·5· ·that he approved of this? ·6· · · · · A· · He was always very enthusiastic about the ·7· ·Center of Excellence program. ·8· · · · · Q· · What -- based on his -- strike that. ·9· · · · · · · ·Based on his reaction when you told him 10· ·about Dagny, did he mean that he approved of her going 11· ·to FAST? 12· · · · · A· · Yes. 13· · · · · Q· · And in words or conduct what did you see 14· ·that led you to conclude that? 15· · · · · A· · Just his body language.· And I'm sure he 16· ·made some comments, but I don't recall what they were. 17· · · · · Q· · Are you aware of any communications that 18· ·Jack Roach had with Dagny concerning going to FAST?· For 19· ·example -- 20· · · · · A· · No. 21· · · · · Q· · -- were you part of those communications or 22· ·did Jack or Dagny tell you secondhand about what was 23· ·being discussed? 24· · · · · A· · Jack was the national junior team head coach 25· ·and he had had numerous discussions with Dagny and her ·1· ·coach about many topics.· I don't know the discussions ·2· ·that he had with her regarding going to FAST. ·3· · · · · Q· · Do you know about any information as it ·4· ·relates here in Exhibit No. 1 to the effect that ·5· ·Jack Roach, quote, put serious pressure, end quote, on ·6· ·Dagny to move to Fullerton and swim with Sean Hutchison? ·7· · · · · A· · I have no knowledge of that. ·8· · · · · Q· · Would you characterize any of your efforts ·9· ·as putting, quote/unquote, serious pressure, end quote, 10· ·on Dagny to move to Fullerton to swim with 11· ·Sean Hutchison? 12· · · · · A· · No. 13· · · · · Q· · How would you describe your involvement in 14· ·that respect?· For example, were you actively pursuing 15· ·her or were you passively just receiving information and 16· ·reacting when it came in or something else? 17· · · · · A· · She and her coach had expressed interest. 18· ·She was one of the outstanding swimmers in the 19· ·United States.· We wanted to support her through the 20· ·olympics.· We -- when I went out to see her parents I 21· ·actively answered any questions that they had. 22· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Let's move on now to the next 23· ·communication you had with Dagny and/or any of her 24· ·representatives after Ohio State. 25· · · · · · · ·When is the next communication you had with ·1· ·any of those people? ·2· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· After Ohio State or after the ·3· ·house visit? ·4· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· We haven't talked about the house ·5· ·visit yet. ·6· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· I thought we did.· I apologize. ·7· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· So let me rephrase it. ·8· · · · · Q· · After Ohio State when is the next ·9· ·communication you recall having with any representative 10· ·of Dagny? 11· · · · · A· · I recall having a discussion over the phone 12· ·with her coach regarding me coming out to talk to the 13· ·parents, and she recommended that I come out and talk to 14· ·the parents. 15· · · · · Q· · When in relation to the Ohio State meeting 16· ·did this conversation occur? 17· · · · · A· · About a month later. 18· · · · · Q· · Who contacted who? 19· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 20· · · · · Q· · How long did the conversation last? 21· · · · · A· · Five minutes. 22· · · · · Q· · What do you recall being discussed? 23· · · · · A· · That the parents would like to meet with me 24· ·to ask me questions about Center of Excellence. 25· · · · · Q· · Did the two of you discuss any of the terms ·1· ·of the arrangement as we previously discussed pertaining ·2· ·to the Ohio State meeting? ·3· · · · · A· · No.· We discussed briefly the services that ·4· ·we could provide her at the Ohio State meeting, but ·5· ·there was no questions from her coach, only that the ·6· ·parents would like to meet with me to ask me questions. ·7· · · · · Q· · When was the next communication? ·8· · · · · A· · When I was at the home.· I went to observe ·9· ·practice and talk to the coach about Dagny's workouts, 10· ·observed the workouts, observed her dry land training. 11· ·We didn't discuss anything about the Center of 12· ·Excellence at that time, it was just me showing interest 13· ·in her as a national team athlete as I would when I 14· ·visit any national team athlete. 15· · · · · Q· · What were your observations of her as a 16· ·swimmer at that time? 17· · · · · A· · She was a phenomenal trainer.· And her dry 18· ·land program was unlike anything I had ever seen before. 19· · · · · Q· · Let's break that down. 20· · · · · · · ·When you say that she was a phenomenal 21· ·trainer, can you elaborate, please? 22· · · · · A· · Her team would do hundreds, Dagny would 23· ·start at the other end and do 125s and she would lap the 24· ·rest of her teammates. 25· · · · · Q· · And when you say her dry land exercises were ·1· ·unlike any other, can you elaborate on that, please? ·2· · · · · A· · She had a very high energy dry land coach ·3· ·that challenged her every way. ·4· · · · · Q· · Sufficit to say you were impressed? ·5· · · · · A· · Yes. ·6· · · · · Q· · Was there any doubt in your mind at that ·7· ·time that she would go on to become an Olympic champion? ·8· · · · · A· · I don't think anybody can predict whether an ·9· ·American can make the Olympic team because it's so 10· ·competitive, much less be an Olympic champion.· But I 11· ·felt that Dagny was as qualified as anybody to qualify 12· ·for the team. 13· · · · · Q· · Were you aware at that time that Dagny had 14· ·competed against Missy Franklin while Missy was 15· ·Canadian? 16· · · · · A· · No. 17· · · · · Q· · Are you aware of any head-to-head matchups 18· ·between Missy Franklin and Dagny Knutson? 19· · · · · A· · I believe that -- I'm not aware. 20· · · · · Q· · As of -- 21· · · · · A· · I would only be guessing. 22· · · · · Q· · I'm just trying to find out, sir, from you 23· ·how you would compare Missy Franklin's qualifications as 24· ·a senior in high school versus Dagny Knutson at the same 25· ·time. ·1· · · · · · · ·Do you have any assessment? ·2· · · · · A· · Comparable. ·3· · · · · Q· · Did they both specialize in the 200IM? ·4· · · · · A· · Yes. ·5· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Let's go to the meeting at the ·6· ·Knutson house. ·7· · · · · · · ·Can you identify for me, please, any person ·8· ·you recall being there? ·9· · · · · A· · Mr. and Mrs. Knutson and her coach. 10· · · · · Q· · Do you recall an inner circle of friends 11· ·also being there? 12· · · · · A· · I do not. 13· · · · · Q· · Do you recall roughly how long the meeting 14· ·lasted? 15· · · · · A· · Perhaps 90 minutes. 16· · · · · Q· · What do you recall being discussed during 17· ·that meeting? 18· · · · · A· · They had a lot of questions about where 19· ·Dagny would live, who would be her trainer.· I believe 20· ·the strength coach was there also.· He had a lot of 21· ·questions about the strength program.· They had a lot of 22· ·questions about how we would support her between London 23· ·and the current time frame.· They had specific questions 24· ·about tuition.· And I explained to them the grant 25· ·program.· I explained to them at the present time I had ·1· ·a contingency fund that we would draw from to support ·2· ·her. ·3· · · · · Q· · Do you recall anything else being discussed ·4· ·by way of categories? ·5· · · · · A· · Could you clarify "categories"? ·6· · · · · Q· · Bad question. ·7· · · · · · · ·You appear to have been listing in the ·8· ·category form things that you and the family discussed. ·9· ·And I'm just -- before I get into the specifics, I'm 10· ·just wondering if there's any other category of 11· ·conversation that you recall being discussed during that 12· ·approximate 90-minute meeting? 13· · · · · A· · Room and board, college, meet expenses. 14· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Let's go over those categories, 15· ·please. 16· · · · · · · ·When they asked you where Dagny would live 17· ·what did you say? 18· · · · · A· · I told them that I recommended that she live 19· ·with a family at least initially because of her age and 20· ·because of the fact that she'd never been to college 21· ·before and never lived away from home before. 22· · · · · Q· · When they asked you who would be training 23· ·Dagny, what did you say? 24· · · · · A· · Sean Hutchison. 25· · · · · Q· · What was your assessment of Mr. Hutchison's ·1· ·abilities as a swim coach at that time? ·2· · · · · A· · He was outstanding. ·3· · · · · Q· · What did you and the family discuss ·4· ·concerning support? ·5· · · · · A· · College tuition, room and board, meet ·6· ·expenses, club fees. ·7· · · · · Q· · What was discussed concerning college ·8· ·tuition; for example, what college and how long? ·9· · · · · A· · We discussed her attending a junior college 10· ·locally for two years and then transferring to a 11· ·four-year school that was close to the training center. 12· · · · · Q· · Did any schools come up during that 13· ·conversation?· I'm guessing since you were head coach at 14· ·USC was USC mentioned or Long Beach State or UCLA or 15· ·anything like that? 16· · · · · A· · Cal State Fullerton was mentioned, Chapman 17· ·College, those are the two closest schools to the 18· ·Center.· She mentioned at one time, I don't recall if it 19· ·was at that meeting, but she mentioned at one team a 20· ·desire to possibly attend USC. 21· · · · · Q· · Was there any representation made by you at 22· ·that time concerning who would be funding tuition at 23· ·either the JC and/or the four-year college? 24· · · · · A· · I explained to her that we had two budgets, 25· ·one with the USOC and one with USA swimming. ·1· · · · · Q· · And between those two budgets what? ·2· · · · · A· · We would fund her tuition. ·3· · · · · Q· · For how long? ·4· · · · · A· · Through the Olympic games. ·5· · · · · Q· · So 2012 only? ·6· · · · · A· · I told her that depending on how she was ·7· ·doing and my assessment that possibly we could fund her ·8· ·through graduation. ·9· · · · · Q· · What do you recall specifically representing 10· ·in that regard? 11· · · · · A· · Specifically that we would fund her 12· ·graduation at junior college.· And that if her 13· ·performance stayed at the level it was that we would 14· ·fund her through graduation. 15· · · · · Q· · Did the family ask you questions about the 16· ·performance issue; in other words, well, what if she 17· ·doesn't do well, what if she gets sick, will tuition 18· ·still be paid for or something like that? 19· · · · · A· · I said that she could continue to apply for 20· ·it, which we offered to all the national team athletes. 21· · · · · Q· · Which was? 22· · · · · A· · Tuition. 23· · · · · Q· · What was related by you at that time 24· ·concerning room and board? 25· · · · · A· · Reasonable expenses for an apartment and ·1· ·meals. ·2· · · · · Q· · For how long? ·3· · · · · A· · Through 2012. ·4· · · · · Q· · What about beyond that? ·5· · · · · A· · There was no promise made beyond that. ·6· · · · · Q· · Meet expenses what was discussed about that? ·7· · · · · A· · That she was in the national team pool and ·8· ·that would fund her meet expenses. ·9· · · · · Q· · Did you quantify it in any way; for example, 10· ·you would get X-amount of money for X-amount of time or 11· ·something like that? 12· · · · · A· · There was a finite amount of money that went 13· ·to all the national team athletes to attend grand prix 14· ·meets and national championships. 15· · · · · Q· · What else do you recall being discussed 16· ·during this meeting? 17· · · · · A· · I had discussions at the meeting with the 18· ·strength coach about what would be provided to her as 19· ·far as a strength program as he was concerned that he 20· ·felt that a lot of her success was due to his training. 21· · · · · Q· · Do you recall there being any discussion 22· ·with you with the parents to the effect of, for example, 23· ·my daughter has a full ride scholarship to virtually 24· ·every major swim program in the country, why would we 25· ·accept tuition promises only through 2012 or something ·1· ·like that? ·2· · · · · A· · No. ·3· · · · · Q· · Do you recall either one of Dagny's parents ·4· ·telling you something to the effect of it would be ·5· ·essential to them that Dagny be guaranteed ·6· ·unconditionally a college tuition as part of the FAST ·7· ·program if she went there? ·8· · · · · A· · No. ·9· · · · · Q· · What, if anything, do you recall the parents 10· ·telling you about what concerns, if any, they had about 11· ·their daughter going to FAST? 12· · · · · A· · Well, it would be the first time going away 13· ·from home.· She grew up in a small town.· Family always 14· ·took care of her.· And they didn't know how she would 15· ·acclimate to California. 16· · · · · Q· · Do you recall any concerns being raised by 17· ·anybody at that meeting about Dagny giving up a full 18· ·ride scholarship to Auburn for from what it appears only 19· ·a two-year guarantee of tuition through the 2012 Olympic 20· ·games? 21· · · · · A· · No.· I did make it clear to her that she 22· ·could continue to apply and utilize the funds from the 23· ·USOC. 24· · · · · Q· · What did you tell her in that regard? 25· · · · · A· · That she could utilize the funds from the ·1· ·USOC. ·2· · · · · Q· · I don't know what that means as a ·3· ·46-year-old I'm imagining as an 18-year-old that she ·4· ·would know what that means. ·5· · · · · · · ·I'm just trying to ask you what does that ·6· ·mean? ·7· · · · · A· · She would get -- ·8· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form. ·9· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· It's a bad question.· I apologize. 10· · · · · Q· · Can you elaborate for me, please, what you 11· ·explained to Dagny and her family concerning additional 12· ·funding that she might be entitled to from the USOC? 13· · · · · A· · That she could apply for those funds to pay 14· ·for tuition through graduation. 15· · · · · Q· · Do you recall any other discussion point at 16· ·that meeting that you've not already talked about with 17· ·me? 18· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 19· · · · · Q· · Was there any decision made by Dagny and/or 20· ·her family at that time or did you leave the meeting 21· ·where they said they would think about it or something 22· ·like that? 23· · · · · A· · My understanding -- I don't recall. 24· · · · · Q· · When was the next communication with any 25· ·representative of Dagny after that meeting? ·1· · · · · A· · I communicated with her coach who I saw at ·2· ·grand prix meets throughout the summer. ·3· · · · · Q· · And what do you recall about those ·4· ·discussions? ·5· · · · · A· · That she indicated that Dagny and her ·6· ·parents were very interested and that she would probably ·7· ·be coming to Fullerton in September. ·8· · · · · Q· · Did you eventually hear from Dagny and/or ·9· ·any member of her family? 10· · · · · A· · I don't recall speaking to Dagny or her 11· ·parents.· I do recall speaking to her coach.· Most 12· ·communication was done through her coach Cathy Aspus 13· ·(phonetic). 14· · · · · Q· · Who related to you that it was the decision 15· ·of Dagny to go to FAST? 16· · · · · A· · My recollection was that it was the coach. 17· · · · · Q· · And what did the coach tell you? 18· · · · · A· · That they had made the decision to come to 19· ·FAST in September. 20· · · · · Q· · Do you recall having any communication with 21· ·Dagny or any of her representatives from that point 22· ·forward? 23· · · · · A· · No.· With Dagny? 24· · · · · Q· · Yes. 25· · · · · A· · Yes, with Dagny. ·1· · · · · Q· · Would that be before or after she moved to ·2· ·Southern California? ·3· · · · · A· · Before and after. ·4· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Tell me what you remember about ·5· ·conversations you had with Dagny before she moved to ·6· ·Southern California and after the meeting in Minot, ·7· ·North Dakota? ·8· · · · · A· · I sat with her at the National ·9· ·Championships.· We discussed how people prepare to swim 10· ·finals, specifically Natalie Coughlin, she asked me 11· ·questions, and I was just showing interest in her. 12· · · · · Q· · After the meeting in North Minot [sic], do 13· ·you recall having any communications with Dagny directly 14· ·concerning the terms of her moving to Southern 15· ·California? 16· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 17· · · · · Q· · After Dagny moved to Southern California, do 18· ·you recall any communications with her at that time? 19· · · · · A· · I would call her weekly to see how she was 20· ·doing.· We had some discussions about her eating.· And I 21· ·asked her -- she said that she was struggling a little 22· ·bit.· And I asked her what the situation was, and she 23· ·shared with me that she was restricting her eating 24· ·during the week because she was concerned about her 25· ·weight because her strength coach had always been ·1· ·concerned about her weight.· And that she would binge on ·2· ·the weekend which concerned her.· I encouraged her to ·3· ·speak with the psychologist with the USOC that would ·4· ·regularly visit FAST. ·5· · · · · Q· · Did you have any other advice for Dagny when ·6· ·she told this to you? ·7· · · · · A· · I didn't feel that I was educated enough, ·8· ·but I did have a concern that she may have an eating ·9· ·disorder. 10· · · · · Q· · And did you do anything about that?· For 11· ·example, did you arrange to have her seen by a doctor or 12· ·any other specialist? 13· · · · · A· · I encouraged her to see the psychologist, 14· ·and I knew the psychologist would recommend the proper 15· ·course of action. 16· · · · · Q· · Did you identify who that psychologist was? 17· · · · · A· · No.· It was USOC psychologist. 18· · · · · Q· · Did you other than telling her that she 19· ·should see a psychologist at the USOC, did you take any 20· ·affirmative steps to arrange that?· For example, did you 21· ·find out who the person was?· Did you set up an 22· ·appointment?· Did you provide for funding?· Anything 23· ·like that? 24· · · · · A· · USOC provided all the funding for the 25· ·psychologist to be present. ·1· · · · · Q· · My question to you, Mr. Schubert, is other ·2· ·than telling Dagny you should go see a psychologist at ·3· ·the USOC, did you do anything further in that regard? ·4· · · · · A· · No. ·5· · · · · Q· · Did you think there was a need to do ·6· ·anything further in that regard? ·7· · · · · A· · Not at that time. ·8· · · · · Q· · Do you know if -- strike that. ·9· · · · · · · ·At that time did you know physicians in the 10· ·Southern California area? 11· · · · · A· · Yes. 12· · · · · Q· · Did you make my arrangements that she go see 13· ·any physician in Southern California at that time? 14· · · · · A· · No. 15· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form; asked and 16· ·answered. 17· · · · · · · ·Go ahead.· You can answer it.· The answer 18· ·was no. 19· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 20· · · · · Q· · If you had been legitimately concerned about 21· ·any eating disorder that she may have had, fair to say 22· ·you would have arranged to have her seen by a physician? 23· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Object to the form. 24· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 25· · · · · Q· · Go ahead. ·1· · · · · MR. CLAUDIO:· I object to the form but -- ·2· · · · · THE WITNESS:· Could you rephrase the question? ·3· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·4· · · · · Q· · Is it fair to say that if you had a ·5· ·legitimate concern that Dagny's health was compromised ·6· ·because of an eating problem that you would have out of ·7· ·the goodness of your heart or otherwise arrange to have ·8· ·her seen by a physician? ·9· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· I object to that form more than 10· ·the last one. 11· · · · · · · ·But go ahead. 12· · · · · THE WITNESS:· My recommendation was that she see 13· ·the psychologist who could determine whether she had an 14· ·eating disorder and then would direct her to see a 15· ·physician. 16· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 17· · · · · Q· · Thank you for that, but it wasn't responsive 18· ·to my question.· I'll try to make it better. 19· · · · · · · ·Is it fair to say, sir, that if you had a 20· ·legitimate concern in the fall of 2010 that 21· ·Dagny Knutson as an 18-year-old had an eating problem 22· ·that you would have taken affirmative steps to have her 23· ·seen by a physician? 24· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· First of all I object to the 25· ·form.· We don't need to be argumentative with the ·1· ·witness.· He did answer the question.· If you have a new ·2· ·question, ask it. ·3· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Can you read the question back, ·4· ·please?· I'd like an answer to that question. ·5· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Thank you. ·6· · · · · · · · · · (The record was read.) ·7· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form. ·8· · · · · · · ·You can answer the question if you ·9· ·understand it. 10· · · · · THE WITNESS:· No.· I felt the psychologist was 11· ·the most qualified person to make a determination if she 12· ·had an eating disorder. 13· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 14· · · · · Q· · Why did you think that? 15· · · · · A· · I have experience with swimmers and I know 16· ·psychologists are very well trained to identify that and 17· ·to have them seek the correct treatment. 18· · · · · Q· · How does a psychologist help with an eating 19· ·disorder based upon what was going through your mind at 20· ·that time? 21· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· If you know. 22· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 23· · · · · Q· · These all depend on what you know; you 24· ·understand that?· All these questions depend on your 25· ·knowledge; do you understand that?· I'm not asking you ·1· ·to guess; right? ·2· · · · · A· · Right. ·3· · · · · Q· · So based upon what you knew why would you ·4· ·think a psychologist would be appropriate to deal with ·5· ·whatever issues Dagny had at that time? ·6· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form. ·7· · · · · THE WITNESS:· It's a psychological issue. ·8· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·9· · · · · Q· · And what led you to believe it was a 10· ·psychological issue? 11· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form. 12· · · · · THE WITNESS:· Eating disorders are a 13· ·psychological issue. 14· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 15· · · · · Q· · What is that answer based on, sir? 16· · · · · A· · Personal experience with swimmers. 17· · · · · Q· · Okay.· What else do you recall discussing 18· ·with Dagny after she went to Southern California? 19· · · · · A· · She had some questions about turning 20· ·professional, we discussed that. 21· · · · · Q· · And please tell me what the two of you 22· ·discussed at that time. 23· · · · · A· · I told her that I was aware of a good agent 24· ·that she could pursue if she wished to, and that this 25· ·was Janet Evans' agent and Dara Torres' agent. ·1· · · · · Q· · And who was that? ·2· · · · · A· · Evan Morgenstein. ·3· · · · · Q· · When did you mention for the first time Evan ·4· ·Morgenstein to Dagny? ·5· · · · · A· · One of our discussions in September. ·6· · · · · Q· · Who first broached the topic of turning ·7· ·professional? ·8· · · · · A· · Dagny. ·9· · · · · Q· · What did she tell you? 10· · · · · A· · She said she was interested. 11· · · · · Q· · And what did you say in return? 12· · · · · A· · I said, "Well, you need to get a good sports 13· ·agent, and this is somebody that's been highly 14· ·recommended to me that you might look into and there's 15· ·other possibilities." 16· · · · · Q· · And what did she say in return? 17· · · · · A· · She asked for his number, and I gave it to 18· ·her. 19· · · · · Q· · Did you understand that Dagny was 18 at the 20· ·time? 21· · · · · A· · Yes. 22· · · · · Q· · And, therefore, an adult? 23· · · · · A· · Yes. 24· · · · · Q· · And, therefore, any professional agency 25· ·agreement had to be signed by her job? ·1· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Object.· Legal conclusion. ·2· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Same objection. ·3· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·4· · · · · Q· · Did you understand at the time, sir, that ·5· ·Dagny Knutson as an 18-year-old adult would have to sign ·6· ·herself as opposed to her mother a professional agency ·7· ·agreement in order to become a professional? ·8· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Same objection. ·9· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Same objection.· Mark's here as a 10· ·fact witness.· Let's move on. 11· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 12· · · · · Q· · Go ahead. 13· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form. 14· · · · · · · ·Go ahead. 15· · · · · THE WITNESS:· I wasn't aware of that. 16· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 17· · · · · Q· · Are you aware of Dagny Knutson herself ever 18· ·personally signing any agreement with Evan Morgenstein 19· ·or any other sports agent which would have rendered her 20· ·ineligible to attend a college? 21· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Object as compound and seeks an 22· ·improper legal opinion. 23· · · · · THE WITNESS:· Rephrase the question. 24· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 25· · · · · Q· · Sure. ·1· · · · · · · ·Is it your understanding that by signing a ·2· ·sports agency agreement with Evan Morgenstein that Dagny ·3· ·became a professional? ·4· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· First of all, it's not been ·5· ·established that he knows that.· What the testimony was, ·6· ·and I'll draw for the bandwagon, is he gave her the ·7· ·phone number of a sports agent and that's as far as you ·8· ·got. ·9· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· Let's limit the objections 10· ·very concisely, please, Mr. Bernstein.· I don't want to. 11· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Do you need a break? 12· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· No.· I'm fine. 13· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Because the record should reflect 14· ·that you're getting a little testy with the witness, and 15· ·I don't see the need.· I'm objecting to the form.· I'm 16· ·trying to just avoid instructing him not to answer. 17· ·It's a terrible question in my opinion. 18· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 19· · · · · Q· · Okay. 20· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· But go ahead. 21· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· I understand.· Let's reduce the 22· ·characterizations of my questioning.· I think I ask 23· ·questions better than terrible.· I don't recall me being 24· ·testy, but I respect your opinion.· I'll do my best to 25· ·be courteous. ·1· · · · · Q· · Mr. Schubert, are you aware of any agreement ·2· ·that Dagny Knutson herself signed which would have ·3· ·rendered her ineligible to attend college? ·4· · · · · A· · No. ·5· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Object.· Compound; legal opinion. ·6· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Are you aware? ·7· · · · · THE WITNESS:· No, I'm not. ·8· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·9· · · · · Q· · Has it ever been brought to your attention 10· ·that Dagny Knutson never herself signed any agreement 11· ·with Evan Morgenstein? 12· · · · · A· · No. 13· · · · · Q· · Do you have any understanding one way or the 14· ·other as to whether or not even to this day 15· ·Dagny Knutson surrendered her eligibility to participate 16· ·in NCAA athletics? 17· · · · · A· · Could you repeat the question? 18· · · · · Q· · Sure. 19· · · · · · · ·Do you have any understanding as you sit 20· ·here today whether Dagny Knutson ever signed any 21· ·document which would have rendered her ineligible to 22· ·participate in NCAA athletics? 23· · · · · A· · I have no knowledge. 24· · · · · Q· · Was it ever brought to your attention prior 25· ·to me telling it to you right now that Dagny Knutson ·1· ·never signed any agreement with Evan Morgenstein which ·2· ·would have rendered her ineligible to participate in ·3· ·NCAA athletics? ·4· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Same objection. ·5· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Objection as to form. ·6· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Legal conclusion; it's compound. ·7· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· I object to that. ·8· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·9· · · · · Q· · She didn't? 10· · · · · A· · Other than what you told me, at least you're 11· ·inferring, I have no knowledge. 12· · · · · THE REPORTER:· I didn't get your objection. 13· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· I object to Mr. Allard testifying. 14· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 15· · · · · Q· · As of the fall of 2010 who was your agent? 16· · · · · A· · Kurt Krumpholz. 17· · · · · Q· · Was Mr. Morgenstein -- strike that. 18· · · · · · · ·Has Mr. Morgenstein ever been an agent of 19· ·yours? 20· · · · · A· · No. 21· · · · · Q· · Has Mr. Morgenstein ever provided any type 22· ·of professional services for you? 23· · · · · A· · No. 24· · · · · Q· · Other than Dagny did you over the course of 25· ·your career refer any other athlete to Mr. Morgenstein? ·1· · · · · A· · I don't recall. ·2· · · · · Q· · At some point in time was it brought to your ·3· ·attention that Mr. Foster was retained to represent ·4· ·Dagny relating to promises that you made to her? ·5· · · · · A· · Could you repeat the question? ·6· · · · · Q· · Yeah.· It's a bad one. ·7· · · · · · · ·At some point in time in the fall or early ·8· ·winter of 2010 that Dagny retained Mr. Foster to ·9· ·represent her? 10· · · · · A· · No. 11· · · · · Q· · When is the first time you learned that 12· ·Mr. Foster was retained by Ms. Knutson? 13· · · · · A· · When Mr. Foster told me. 14· · · · · Q· · Which was when? 15· · · · · A· · 2011. 16· · · · · Q· · What did he tell you? 17· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· If it doesn't violate a privilege 18· ·with you speaking to your lawyer during the FAST case, 19· ·it's a personal conversation, it doesn't invade a 20· ·privilege, I don't have a problem if you answer it. 21· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· We don't need coaching, 22· ·Mr. Bernstein. 23· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· You absolutely do.· And if you 24· ·want to object to it, that's fine, otherwise I'll 25· ·instruct him not to answer the question.· But I'm ·1· ·actually trying to help you out. ·2· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· I appreciate the help.· I'm ·3· ·not asking for it, I don't need it. ·4· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Well, then could you just ·5· ·rephrase the question? ·6· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Sure.· Let me just make sure we ·7· ·understand California law here.· You're to state the ·8· ·objection concisely and the basis of your objection -- ·9· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· You don't need to teach me 10· ·California law, Counselor.· I know California law, and 11· ·I'm here representing the witness.· I'm objecting to the 12· ·form of the question. 13· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· So objection to the form of 14· ·the question takes two words, objection form.· It 15· ·doesn't take more than that.· Let me ask it again. 16· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Then I'll just simply instruct 17· ·Mr. -- not only object to the form of the question but I 18· ·will instruct Mr. Schubert on that isolated question at 19· ·this point in time not to answer. 20· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· I understand, sir. 21· · · · · Q· · When you had this communication with 22· ·Mr. Foster in 2011 was he your attorney, Mr. Schubert? 23· · · · · A· · Yes. 24· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· Let the record reflect that 25· ·Mr. Bernstein nodded up and down with his head and ·1· ·Mr. Schubert answered yes in response to that question. ·2· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· That's correct, I'm nodding.· Why ·3· ·I'm nodding has nothing to do with it, but I am nodding. ·4· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· I'd ask that you not coach the ·5· ·witness, Mr. Bernstein. ·6· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to your representation ·7· ·that I'm coaching the witness.· That's really unfair. ·8· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·9· · · · · Q· · Mr. Schubert, what was Mr. -- in what 10· ·capacity was Mr. Foster -- 11· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Why don't we do this -- 12· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· No.· I want to get -- you can take a 13· ·break if you want, let me finish my area of questioning 14· ·first. 15· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Then we can take a. 16· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 17· · · · · Q· · In what capacity was Mr. Foster your 18· ·attorney in 2011? 19· · · · · A· · With the Dia Rianda case. 20· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Now we're going to take a break. 21· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· Go for it. 22· · · · · THE WITNESS:· I guess that was 2012.· Sorry. 23· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· You still want to take a break, 24· ·Michael? 25· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Yes, sir. ·1· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· Let's do it. ·2· · · · · · · · · · · (Off the record.) ·3· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Before you ask your next question ·4· ·I want to go back to the last question.· Object to the ·5· ·form of the question. ·6· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Jon -- I'm sorry.· Jon, we can hear ·7· ·you.· Jon Little. ·8· · · · · · · ·Okay.· Go ahead. ·9· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Seemed like everybody was talking 10· ·over each other.· Any conversations between Mr. Schubert 11· ·and Mr. Foster during the time of the Dia Rianda case 12· ·are privileged; and, therefore, violate the 13· ·attorney/client privilege.· So if, in fact, that last 14· ·question attempted to do that, move to strike the 15· ·question and the response. 16· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay.· There's no judge here to 17· ·grant your request, so my guess we're just talking to an 18· ·invisible person. 19· · · · · Q· · Let me establish some parameters here, 20· ·Mr. Schubert. 21· · · · · · · ·When did you retain Mr. Forster to represent 22· ·you in the Rianda matter. 23· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form.· Instruct 24· ·Mr. Schubert not to answer the question. 25· ·/ / / ·1· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·2· · · · · Q· · Up until the time that you were -- strike ·3· ·that. ·4· · · · · · · ·Up until the time that you retained ·5· ·Mr. Foster to represent you in the Rianda matter, did ·6· ·you have any communications with Mr. Foster concerning ·7· ·Dagny Knutson? ·8· · · · · A· · No. ·9· · · · · Q· · And by communication you understand that I 10· ·mean any form of communication? 11· · · · · A· · Yes. 12· · · · · Q· · Let me show you a document that we'll mark 13· ·as Exhibit No. 2. 14· · · · · (Exhibit 2 was marked for identification.) 15· · · · · · · ·I only have one copy so you guys can share 16· ·it. 17· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Thanks, Bob.· Okay. 18· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Can I see it? 19· · · · · THE WITNESS:· I do recall that email. 20· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 21· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Does that refresh your memory that 22· ·Mr. Foster did, in fact, contact you in the fall of 2010 23· ·concerning Dagny Knutson and Kate Ziegler? 24· · · · · A· · Yes. 25· · · · · Q· · Okay.· What was your response to this email? ·1· · · · · A· · I can't recall exactly what I said, but I'm ·2· ·sure I would have said that we did have an agreement to ·3· ·pay Kate Ziegler and Dagny Knutson's room and board and ·4· ·tuition. ·5· · · · · Q· · Do you recall your response being in writing ·6· ·or orally? ·7· · · · · A· · I'm sure I probably responded to the email, ·8· ·but I don't recall. ·9· · · · · Q· · Do you recall responding an email to that 10· ·email? 11· · · · · A· · No. 12· · · · · Q· · Do you recall calling Mr. Foster in response 13· ·to that email? 14· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 15· · · · · Q· · Do you recall any other communications with 16· ·Mr. Foster concerning either Kate Ziegler or 17· ·Dagny Knutson from 2010 up until the time you retained 18· ·Mr. Foster to represent you in the Rianda case? 19· · · · · A· · I don't recall. 20· · · · · Q· · Thank you. 21· · · · · · · ·Do you recall it being brought to your 22· ·attention by Mr. Foster that USA Swimming as of 23· ·November 2010 was taking the position that due to 24· ·budgetary reasons it would not pick up room and board 25· ·for her? ·1· · · · · A· · I don't recall the timing.· Obviously with ·2· ·that email I was aware of it. ·3· · · · · Q· · Let me show you a document that we'll mark ·4· ·as Exhibit No. 3. ·5· · · · · (Exhibit 3 was marked for identification.) ·6· · · · · · · ·For the record these are documents produced ·7· ·by Mr. Foster Bate stamped 92 through 95. ·8· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Thank you. ·9· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· You might want to show that to 10· ·Mr. Foster, too.· I don't have a copy of that 11· ·Mr. Foster.· Sorry. 12· · · · · Q· · Why don't you take a look at the first page 13· ·of Exhibit No. 3, please, before I ask you questions 14· ·about it, Mr. Schubert. 15· · · · · A· · May I read it? 16· · · · · Q· · Absolutely.· You all done? 17· · · · · A· · Yes. 18· · · · · Q· · Up until the time I just showed it to you, 19· ·was it ever brought to your attention that while 20· ·Mr. Foster represented Dagny Knutson, that Chuck Wielgus 21· ·of USA Swimming wrote him a confidential email? 22· · · · · A· · No. 23· · · · · Q· · Was it ever brought to your attention up 24· ·until your reading that that Mr. Wielgus at a time when 25· ·Ms. Knutson was being represented by Mr. Foster sought ·1· ·legal advice from Mr. Foster? ·2· · · · · A· · No. ·3· · · · · Q· · Was it ever brought to your attention up ·4· ·until reading this email that Chuck Wielgus was taking ·5· ·the position that you did not have the authority to make ·6· ·the promises that you made to both Kate Ziegler and ·7· ·Dagny Knutson? ·8· · · · · A· · No. ·9· · · · · Q· · Was it ever brought to your attention that 10· ·Chuck Wielgus in a confidential email asked Mr. Foster 11· ·whether USA Swimming was still responsible for 12· ·fulfilling promises that were made to Dagny without 13· ·authority by USA Swimming? 14· · · · · A· · No. 15· · · · · Q· · Did Mr. Foster at any point in time ever 16· ·relate to you the substance of what was discussed in 17· ·this confidential email between himself and Mr. Wielgus? 18· · · · · A· · No. 19· · · · · Q· · When is the first time you learned that it 20· ·was USA Swimming's position that you had no authority to 21· ·make the promises that you made to Dagny Knutson? 22· · · · · A· · I had no idea that these discussions were 23· ·going on.· And I didn't learn until much later that this 24· ·case had been -- this issue had been resolved. 25· · · · · Q· · If you didn't have the authority to make the ·1· ·promises that you made to Dagny Knutson, was it ever ·2· ·brought to your attention that you yourself had ·3· ·individual liability? ·4· · · · · A· · I had the authority.· I had 150,000 ·5· ·contingency budget to be used to help athletes in ·6· ·preparation for the Olympic games. ·7· · · · · Q· · I understand that's your position, sir, but ·8· ·Mr. Foster was told in November of 2010 that you did not ·9· ·have that authority which makes you potentially liable, 10· ·that's the basis of my question. 11· · · · · · · ·So was it ever brought to your attention 12· ·prior to today that if USA Swimming did not authorize 13· ·you to make the promises that you made to Dagny that you 14· ·were potentially liable individually? 15· · · · · A· · No. 16· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form.· The answer 17· ·is no. 18· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 19· · · · · Q· · At any point in time did Chuck Wielgus ever 20· ·dispute the arrangement that you had made for Dagny at 21· ·FAST? 22· · · · · A· · No. 23· · · · · Q· · Based upon your knowledge did Mr. Wielgus 24· ·approve of the arrangement of Dagny going to FAST? 25· · · · · A· · I'm not aware. ·1· · · · · Q· · What did you personally do to ensure that ·2· ·Dagny had a positive experience at FAST?· Let me lay a ·3· ·foundation. ·4· · · · · · · ·Do you know of a swimmer named Katie Hoff, ·5· ·H-o-f-f? ·6· · · · · A· · Yes. ·7· · · · · Q· · Did she go pro after high school? ·8· · · · · A· · Yes. ·9· · · · · Q· · How did that experience work for her? 10· · · · · A· · I think she went pro while she was in high 11· ·school. 12· · · · · Q· · Before or after Dagny? 13· · · · · A· · Well, before Dagny. 14· · · · · Q· · And how did that experience work out for 15· ·her? 16· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form. 17· · · · · · · ·If you know. 18· · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know. 19· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 20· · · · · Q· · Did Katie Hoff ever succeed in any type of 21· ·Olympic games? 22· · · · · A· · Yes.· She medaled. 23· · · · · Q· · What did she medal in? 24· · · · · A· · 400 individual medley. 25· · · · · Q· · Which medal? ·1· · · · · A· · Bronze. ·2· · · · · Q· · Was that considered a disappointment? ·3· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· To whom? ·4· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·5· · · · · Q· · Well, I'm asking you do you -- ·6· · · · · A· · I didn't consider it a disappointment. ·7· · · · · Q· · Did Katie Ziegler go pro before -- ·8· · · · · A· · Yes. ·9· · · · · Q· · -- or after Dagny? 10· · · · · A· · Before. 11· · · · · Q· · And how did that experience work out for 12· ·her? 13· · · · · A· · I'm not aware of how it worked out. 14· · · · · Q· · How did Katie Ziegler after she turned pro 15· ·perform internationally? 16· · · · · A· · She medaled in the olympics. 17· · · · · Q· · Which medal?· In what event? 18· · · · · A· · 800 free I believe it was a bronze medal. 19· · · · · Q· · What did you personally do -- strike that. 20· · · · · · · ·Isn't it true that for about three or four 21· ·years immediately after high school Katie Hoff performed 22· ·well below her expectation level? 23· · · · · A· · In some people's opinion. 24· · · · · Q· · What about in yours. 25· · · · · · · ·If we were to go back and look at Ms. Hoff's ·1· ·performance for the first three or four years out of ·2· ·high school, what would it be? ·3· · · · · A· · Disappointing. ·4· · · · · Q· · How did Katie Ziegler for the first few ·5· ·years after high school how would you characterize her ·6· ·performance? ·7· · · · · A· · Disappointing. ·8· · · · · Q· · Knowing that each of those two swimmers who ·9· ·went pro had disappointing periods of time after they 10· ·turned pro, what did you do, if anything, in the case of 11· ·Dagny to ensure her success at FAST? 12· · · · · A· · Put her in a good program with a good coach. 13· · · · · Q· · Anything else? 14· · · · · A· · We arranged for good financial support. 15· · · · · Q· · Anything else? 16· · · · · A· · No. 17· · · · · Q· · What provisions were in place for the 18· ·athletes including Dagny at FAST in case Sean Hutchison 19· ·left? 20· · · · · A· · John Urbancek was the head Center of 21· ·Excellence coach and would have taken over. 22· · · · · Q· · Isn't he a long-distance coach? 23· · · · · A· · He's coached NCAA champions from hundred to 24· ·1650. 25· · · · · Q· · Do you believe John Urbancek was as good a ·1· ·fit for Dagny as Mr. Hutchison? ·2· · · · · A· · Yes. ·3· · · · · Q· · Why? ·4· · · · · A· · Dagny trained long distance when she was in ·5· ·with Cathy Aspus. ·6· · · · · Q· · What was Dagny's specialty? ·7· · · · · A· · 400 individual medley. ·8· · · · · Q· · Would you agree -- let's go back to ·9· ·Missy Franklin. 10· · · · · · · ·Would you agree that Dagny was a much more 11· ·versatile swimmer than Missy?· Specifically Missy is a 12· ·pure sprinter; whereas, Dagny swam the 200 and 400 free 13· ·as well as the IMs? 14· · · · · A· · Missy won the 500 free style and broke the 15· ·American record at the NCAA championships. 16· · · · · Q· · Who was a more versatile swimmer as between 17· ·the two? 18· · · · · A· · They're both versatile. 19· · · · · Q· · Were you -- strike that. 20· · · · · · · ·Were you in attendance at the world 21· ·championships in Shanghai in 2011? 22· · · · · A· · No. 23· · · · · Q· · Are you aware as to how Dagny Knutson fared 24· ·against Missy Franklin in the 200 free? 25· · · · · A· · No. ·1· · · · · Q· · Let's got back to Exhibit No. 3, please. ·2· · · · · · · ·As of November 2010, I'm specifically ·3· ·referring to Line Item 3 at the bottom -- let me just ·4· ·read it out loud for the record. ·5· · · · · · · ·Mr. Wielgus of USA Swimming is asking ·6· ·Mr. Foster who represents Ms. Knutson, quote, Can any of ·7· ·this be used in the settlement discussions with Mark's ·8· ·attorney, end quote. ·9· · · · · · · ·During any of the settlement discussions 10· ·that you had with USA Swimming was it ever mentioned to 11· ·you that the promises that you made to Dagny Knutson 12· ·without approval by USA Swimming should be credited 13· ·against any amount that you were paid? 14· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· First of all I object to the form 15· ·of the question.· And if there were any settlement 16· ·discussions, those would be privileged and confidential. 17· ·If you're referring to mark's case against USA Swimming, 18· ·I would instruct him not to answer the question, it 19· ·would be privileged. 20· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 21· · · · · Q· · Was it ever brought to your attention that 22· ·USA Swimming made efforts to credit any settlement you 23· ·received on account of any monies paid by USA Swimming 24· ·to Dagny Knutson? 25· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Same objection.· Instruct him not ·1· ·to answer the question. ·2· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Maybe we should depose you. ·3· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· For what? ·4· ·BY MR. ALLARD: ·5· · · · · Q· · Line Item No. 4 do you see where Mr. Wielgus ·6· ·says, quote, Mark's actions would seem to evidence a ·7· ·recruiting violation under Section 304.1.13 of the Code ·8· ·of Conduct.· And that he's asking Mr. foster who's then ·9· ·representing Ms. Knutson whether they should take action 10· ·on that. 11· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? 12· · · · · A· · It would be difficult to -- 13· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Do you see that, and the answer 14· ·would be yes or no. 15· · · · · THE WITNESS:· I see that. 16· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 17· · · · · Q· · Did anybody ever bring to your attention a 18· ·possible violation of 304.1.13? 19· · · · · A· · No. 20· · · · · Q· · If Mr. Wielgus indeed thought this, do you 21· ·know why any action wasn't taken?· For example, was it 22· ·part of your settlement agreement with USA Swimming, if 23· ·you know? 24· · · · · A· · Dagny recruited us, we didn't recruit her. 25· · · · · Q· · Can you turn the page, please.· This is Bate ·1· ·No. 93 at the top, and this is an email from Mr. Foster ·2· ·to Chuck Wielgus.· And he states at the bottom, quote, I ·3· ·won't, however, get involved with litigation against USA ·4· ·Swimming, period.· I have too many friends in your ·5· ·organization, including you, period, end quote. ·6· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? ·7· · · · · A· · I see that. ·8· · · · · Q· · What is your understanding as to the ·9· ·friendship level that Mr. Foster had with USA Swimming 10· ·as of this time? 11· · · · · A· · Professional. 12· · · · · Q· · How would you describe Mr. Foster's 13· ·relationships with -- based upon what you saw with 14· ·executives of USA Swimming? 15· · · · · A· · Professional.· I know there was a lot of 16· ·discussions when he was president of USAS, so he was 17· ·acquainted with all those individuals. 18· · · · · Q· · And what do you know about that acquaintance 19· ·or those acquaintances? 20· · · · · A· · I wasn't present during those meetings. 21· · · · · Q· · Were you involved in any way, shape, or form 22· ·with the retention of Mr. Foster by Dagny Knutson? 23· · · · · A· · No. 24· · · · · Q· · Did you recommend Mr. Foster? 25· · · · · A· · No. ·1· · · · · Q· · Would you have recommended Mr. Foster ·2· ·knowing his previously existing relationships with USA ·3· ·Swimming the entity against whom the claim was brought ·4· ·on behalf of Dagny? ·5· · · · · A· · No. ·6· · · · · Q· · Do you know who recommended Mr. Foster? ·7· · · · · A· · I'm not sure. ·8· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Let's look at -- we're getting closer ·9· ·to the end here.· Sorry we're going overboard. 10· · · · · · · ·Exhibit No. 4. 11· · · · · (Exhibit 4 was marked for identification.) 12· · · · · · · ·Sorry.· Is my pace too fast?· A little bit? 13· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· We're done with 3? 14· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Yes, sir. 15· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Thank you. 16· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· And can you share that with 17· ·Mr. Foster? 18· · · · · Q· · Okay.· For the record this is an email 19· ·produced by Mr. Foster from Kate Ziegler, it's spelled 20· ·Z-i-e-g-l-e-r, to Evan Morgenstein with a carbon copy to 21· ·Mr. Foster. 22· · · · · · · ·Do you see where Kate Ziegler represents in 23· ·her mind at least the promises that you made to her 24· ·concerning FAST? 25· · · · · A· · Yes. ·1· · · · · Q· · Do you dispute any of it? ·2· · · · · A· · No. ·3· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Next Exhibit is No. 5.· There you go. ·4· · · · · · · ·As you're reading that, sir, let me just ·5· ·relate to you.· I'd like you to review the email that ·6· ·was written by Ronda Knutson to Evan Morgenstein and ·7· ·Rich Foster on the first page dated November 17, 2010, ·8· ·continuing to the next page and ask you the same ·9· ·question I did with regard to Ms. Ziegler as to whether 10· ·or not you disagree with anything that she says was 11· ·promised to her daughter?· And if you could read that 12· ·with that in mind that would be appreciated. 13· · · · · (Exhibit 5 was marked for identification.) 14· · · · · A· · Could you repeat the question?· I'm sorry. 15· · · · · Q· · Sure. 16· · · · · · · ·What I'd like you to do is review the first 17· ·page of Exhibit No. 5 and proceed to the next page, it's 18· ·an email to Evan Morgenstein and Rich Foster from 19· ·Dagny's mother.· And let me know if you disagree with 20· ·any of the things that she says were represented to her 21· ·and her daughter concerning fast.· So if you could read 22· ·through that with that in mind that would be great. 23· · · · · · · ·Have you had a chance to review the first 24· ·and second pages of Exhibit No. 5, sir? 25· · · · · A· · I have. ·1· · · · · Q· · What, if anything, do you disagree with? ·2· · · · · A· · The first paragraph under here's my written ·3· ·summary and my best estimate and expectation as to the ·4· ·full extent of the financial commitment. ·5· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Which -- ·6· · · · · A· · It says through 2016 the next sentence, but ·7· ·then it says as long as Dagny kept swimming.· She had to ·8· ·keep swimming at a certain level. ·9· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Did you describe for the mother what 10· ·that level meant? 11· · · · · A· · World class level. 12· · · · · Q· · You specifically recall saying that? 13· · · · · A· · Yes. 14· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Anything else you disagree with? 15· · · · · A· · No. 16· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Let's look at Exhibit No. 6.· Let me 17· ·give you a copy first.· The copies aren't sorted 18· ·properly. 19· · · · · (Exhibit 6 was marked for identification.) 20· · · · · · · ·Why don't you take a look at Exhibit No. 6, 21· ·please, before I ask you questions. 22· · · · · A· · Okay. 23· · · · · Q· · Thank you for reviewing that, sir. 24· · · · · · · ·Do you see where your responses to four 25· ·separate areas of questions would be at the bottom of ·1· ·the first page of Exhibit 6 proceeding to the top of the ·2· ·next page? ·3· · · · · A· · Yes. ·4· · · · · Q· · Is there anything about what you've read ·5· ·there summarizing your position that you disagree with? ·6· · · · · A· · No. ·7· · · · · Q· · In the context of the phrase, quote, high ·8· ·level of performance, end quote, as far as the condition ·9· ·attached to support, did you ever quantify that in any 10· ·way to Dagny or her parents?· For example, top 25 in the 11· ·world, top 5 nationally, or anything like that or was it 12· ·just left at high level of performance? 13· · · · · A· · My recollection is that it was left as high 14· ·level of performance. 15· · · · · Q· · Let me show you an exhibit I'll mark as No. 16· ·7.· It's a one-page document. 17· · · · · (Exhibit 7 was marked for identification.) 18· · · · · · · ·Do you have any response to the various 19· ·questions that were being asked in that email, 20· ·Mr. Schubert? 21· · · · · A· · No. 22· · · · · Q· · So do you recall that information being 23· ·requested of you? 24· · · · · A· · Yes. 25· · · · · Q· · And what, if any, response did you give? ·1· · · · · A· · I don't recall. ·2· · · · · Q· · You don't recall what response you gave or ·3· ·you don't recall what the answers to the questions were? ·4· · · · · A· · I don't recall what response I gave. ·5· · · · · Q· · Do you know what the answers are today? ·6· · · · · · · ·In other words, as you sit here today do you ·7· ·have responses to those questions as contained in ·8· ·Exhibit No. 7? ·9· · · · · A· · I would be guessing. 10· · · · · Q· · Okay.· One final exhibit, this is No. 8. 11· ·I'll represent to you this is a letter written by 12· ·Mr. Foster, a carbon copy was provided to you 13· ·apparently. 14· · · · · (Exhibit 8 was marked for identification.) 15· · · · · · · ·So I assume you've read and reviewed it. 16· ·Are you all done, sir? 17· · · · · A· · One minute. 18· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Sure. 19· · · · · · · ·Okay.· Let me just lay a foundation before I 20· ·ask you specific questions. 21· · · · · · · ·Remember we talked earlier about Exhibit 22· ·No. 5?· Do you have that in front of you still, sir? 23· ·Those are the original exhibits, Mr. Bernstein, so we 24· ·should probably make sure we keep those -- 25· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Okay.· I didn't know these were ·1· ·the originals. ·2· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Yeah.· I don't have -- ·3· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· I thought you were giving them to ·4· ·counsel.· That's okay.· We can get copies.· You want him ·5· ·to look at 5? ·6· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Yes, please. ·7· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Sure.· Here's composite Exhibit 5 ·8· ·consisting of two pages. ·9· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 10· · · · · Q· · Okay.· So looking at Exhibit No. 5 remember 11· ·I asked you, Mr. Schubert, what, if anything, you 12· ·disagreed with as far as the position taken by the 13· ·Dagny Knutson family and you indicated that it wasn't 14· ·true, that the provision of support was through 2016 so 15· ·long as Dagny kept swimming.· Your position is that that 16· ·was not the agreement, that the agreement was that she 17· ·needed to maintain a high level of performance. 18· · · · · · · ·Do you recall that testimony? 19· · · · · A· · Correct. 20· · · · · Q· · So is it fair to say that there's a 21· ·difference between what the Knutson family recalls you 22· ·said and what you remember you said in that regard? 23· · · · · A· · Correct. 24· · · · · Q· · Okay.· So looking -- by the way, now going 25· ·to Exhibit No. 8 which is the letter, the April 23, ·1· ·2014, letter, did Mr. Foster write this with your ·2· ·authority? ·3· · · · · A· · No. ·4· · · · · Q· · Did Mr. Foster confer with you the contents ·5· ·of this letter before he wrote it? ·6· · · · · A· · No. ·7· · · · · Q· · Did you understand at the time that ·8· ·Mr. Foster wrote this letter that he was your attorney ·9· ·as it relates to the Dagny Knutson matter? 10· · · · · A· · Restate the question. 11· · · · · Q· · Did you know at the time that Mr. Foster 12· ·wrote this letter that he was acting on your behalf as 13· ·it relates to the Dagny Knutson matter? 14· · · · · A· · No. 15· · · · · Q· · Were you aware that threats on your behalf 16· ·were made against me, my law firm, and Dagny in the 17· ·event that we filed suit against Mr. Foster? 18· · · · · A· · No. 19· · · · · Q· · And my partners. 20· · · · · · · ·Let's go through the substance of this 21· ·letter. 22· · · · · · · ·The last sentence -- strike that. 23· · · · · · · ·The last full sentence of the first page, 24· ·quote, Mr. Schubert confirmed the terms of the agreement 25· ·and indicated he would do anything he could to ensure ·1· ·that Dagny would continue to receive the benefits of the ·2· ·agreement, period, end quote. ·3· · · · · · · ·That is untrue, is it not, at least as it ·4· ·relates to the part of support going through 2016 so ·5· ·long as Dagny kept swimming; would that be accurate? ·6· · · · · A· · Yes. ·7· · · · · Q· · Do you know why Mr. Foster wrote that -- ·8· · · · · A· · No. ·9· · · · · Q· · -- otherwise?· Go ahead. 10· · · · · A· · No. 11· · · · · Q· · The next sentence, quote, At no point did 12· ·Mr. Schubert deny the agreement, end quote. 13· · · · · · · ·That would be untrue as it relates to 14· ·Dagny's understanding that the agreement went through 15· ·2016 unconditionally; true? 16· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Object to the form.· Are you 17· ·asking him? 18· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· I'll ask it again.· That was a bad 19· ·one. 20· · · · · MR. BERNSTEIN:· Thanks. 21· ·BY MR. ALLARD: 22· · · · · Q· · It says here, quote, At no point did 23· ·Mr. Schubert deny the agreement, end quote. 24· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? 25· · · · · A· · I think we already have under evidence the ·1· ·email from Rich Young stating what my position was. ·2· · · · · Q· · Right. ·3· · · · · · · ·I guess what I'm trying to figure out is why ·4· ·Mr. Foster would say this knowing that that was the ·5· ·position you took back then, so that's purpose of my ·6· ·question. ·7· · · · · A· · Okay. ·8· · · · · Q· · I don't know why Mr. Foster is saying this. ·9· ·I assume you don't either.· So let me state it again. 10· · · · · · · ·Quote, At no point did Mr. Schubert deny the 11· ·agreement, end quote. 12· · · · · · · ·That would be untrue as evidenced by the 13· ·email that we referred to earlier written by Mr. Young; 14· ·true? 15· · · · · A· · When you say the agreement are you talking 16· ·about 2016? 17· · · · · Q· · I assume what Mr. Foster's talking about is 18· ·the agreement that you entered into between you/USA 19· ·Swimming and Dagny Knutson. 20· · · · · A· · I didn't deny the agreement, and I told 21· ·Mr. young exactly what the agreement was. 22· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Did you tell USA Swimming at any 23· ·point in time that USA Swimming needed to honor the 24· ·agreement? 25· · · · · A· · I had no communication with USA Swimming. ·1· · · · · Q· · The first sentence at the top of page 2, ·2· ·quote, He told Mr. Young that USA Swimming needed to ·3· ·honor the agreement, end quote. ·4· · · · · · · ·Is that true? ·5· · · · · A· · Yes. ·6· · · · · Q· · The next sentence, quote, Mr. Schubert was ·7· ·willing to testify on Dagny's behalf if litigation ·8· ·ensued, end quote. ·9· · · · · · · ·Is that true? 10· · · · · A· · I don't recall saying that. 11· · · · · Q· · The first sentence of the third paragraph on 12· ·the second page, quote, Since Mr. Schubert -- strike 13· ·that. 14· · · · · · · ·Quote, since Mr. Schubert always supported 15· ·Dagny confirmed the terms of the agreement with Dagny 16· ·and went out of his way to force USA Swimming to honor 17· ·the agreement, there was no reason to question 18· ·Mr. Schubert, end quote. 19· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? 20· · · · · A· · Yes. 21· · · · · Q· · That would be untrue, would it not, at least 22· ·as it relates to the term as we discussed earlier that 23· ·provided according to Dagny's mother that support would 24· ·be provided through 2016 so long as Dagny kept swimming? 25· · · · · · · ·Is that true. ·1· · · · · A· · I'm sorry.· Rephrase -- just repeat the ·2· ·question. ·3· · · · · Q· · Sure. ·4· · · · · · · ·Is it true, sir, that this statement is not ·5· ·true at least in the sense that you disagreed with ·6· ·Dagny Knutson's interpretation of the agreement ·7· ·specifically that support would be provided through 2016 ·8· ·so long as she kept swimming?· Your position was that it ·9· ·was more than that, that she had to be at a high level? 10· · · · · A· · Correct. 11· · · · · Q· · So you would agree that there was some 12· ·dispute between what you remembered happening and what 13· ·the Knutson family remembered happening at least as it 14· ·relates to the representation about the length of 15· ·support and any conditions attached thereto? 16· · · · · A· · Correct. 17· · · · · Q· · Okay.· Let me go over just a few things. 18· ·I'm almost done, I promise. 19· · · · · · · ·Did you ever make a promise to Dagny for 20· ·rent for a comfortable apartment in the Fullerton area? 21· · · · · A· · Reasonable. 22· · · · · Q· · Did you make a promise concerning living 23· ·expenses, such as phone, electricity, and gas? 24· · · · · A· · The term used was reasonable room and board. 25· · · · · Q· · Did you ever make a promise concerning ·1· ·tuition at a nearby college and/or university of ·2· ·plaintiff's choice? ·3· · · · · A· · Yes. ·4· · · · · Q· · Did you make a promise with regard to ·5· ·expenses associated with travel to out-of-town meets? ·6· · · · · A· · Yes. ·7· · · · · Q· · Did you also promise a swim coach who turned ·8· ·out to be Sean Hutchison? ·9· · · · · A· · Yes. 10· · · · · Q· · Did you make a promise for a stipend for 11· ·incidentals? 12· · · · · A· · No. 13· · · · · Q· · The agent issue arose in the fall of 2010 as 14· ·opposed to when the initial discussions were had with 15· ·Dagny. 16· · · · · · · ·Is that your testimony, sir?· I'll rephrase. 17· · · · · · · ·When you met with the family in 2010, did 18· ·you make any representations that as part of the deal 19· ·you would arrange for Dagny to have an agent? 20· · · · · A· · No. 21· · · · · Q· · Was there any discussion in the spring of 22· ·2010 concerning Dagny going professional if she went to 23· ·L.A.? 24· · · · · A· · No. 25· · · · · Q· · That discussion occurred later; is that ·1· ·right? ·2· · · · · A· · In September of 2010. ·3· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Okay, sir.· Those are all the ·4· ·questions I have.· Thank you. ·5· · · · · THE REPORTER:· Just go by Code? ·6· · · · · MR. ALLARD:· Yes. ·7· · · · · THE REPORTER:· Mr. foster, did you need a copy. ·8· · · · · MR. FOSTER:· Yes, I do. ·9 10· · · · · · ·(Deposition concluded at 2:09 p.m. 11· ·Declaration under penalty of perjury on the following 12· ·page hereof.) 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ·1 ·2· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·*** ·3 ·4· · · · · · ·I, MARK SCHUBERT, do solemnly declare under ·5· ·penalty of perjury, under the laws of the State of ·6· ·California, that the foregoing is my deposition under ·7· ·oath; that these are the questions asked of me and my ·8· ·answers thereto; that I have read same and have made the ·9· ·necessary corrections, additions, or changes to my 10· ·answers that I deem necessary. 11· · · · · · ·In witness thereof, I hereby subscribe my name 12· ·this _____ day of ______, 20___. 13 14 15· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·______16· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·MARK SCHUBERT 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ·1

·2· · · · · · ·I, the undersigned, a Certified Shorthand

·3· ·Reporter of the State of California do hereby certify:

·4· · · · · · ·That the foregoing proceedings were taken

·5· ·before me at the time and place herein set forth; that

·6· ·any witnesses in the foregoing proceedings, prior to

·7· ·testifying, were duly sworn; that a record of the

·8· ·proceedings was made by me using machine shorthand which

·9· ·was thereafter transcribed under my direction; that the

10· ·foregoing transcript is a true record of the testimony

11· ·given.

12· · · · · · ·Further, that if the foregoing pertains to the

13· ·original transcript of a deposition in a Federal Case,

14· ·before completion of the proceedings, review of the

15· ·transcript [ ] was [ ] was not required.

16· · · · · · ·I further certify I am neither financially

17· ·interested in the action nor a relative or employee of

18· ·any attorney or party to this action.

19· · · · · · ·IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have this date

20· ·subscribed my name.

21· ·Dated: ______

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24· · · · · · · · · · · Deanna L. Keeland · · · · · · · · · · · · CSR No. 10941 25 ·1 ·2· · · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION ERRATA SHEET ·3 ·4· ·Our Assignment No.· JO119407 ·5· ·Case Caption:· KNUTSON vs. FOSTER ·6 ·7· · · · · · ·DECLARATION UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY ·8· · · · · I declare under penalty of perjury that I have ·9· ·read the entire transcript of my deposition taken in the 10· ·captioned matter or the same has been read to me, and 11· ·the same is true and accurate, save and except for 12· ·changes and/or corrections, if any, as indicated by me 13· ·on the DEPOSITION ERRATA SHEET hereof, with the 14· ·understanding that I offer these changes as if still 15· ·under oath. 16· ·Signed on the ______day of ______, 20___. 17 18· ·______19· ·MARK SCHUBERT 20 21 22 23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION ERRATA SHEET ·2· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______·3· ·______·4· ·Reason for change:______·5· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______·6· ·______·7· ·Reason for change:______·8· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______·9· ·______10· ·Reason for change:______11· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______12· ·______13· ·Reason for change:______14· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______15· ·______16· ·Reason for change:______17· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______18· ·______19· ·Reason for change:______20· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______21· ·______22· ·Reason for change:______23 24· ·SIGNATURE:______DATE:______25· · · · · · ·MARK SCHUBERT ·1· · · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION ERRATA SHEET ·2· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______·3· ·______·4· ·Reason for change:______·5· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______·6· ·______·7· ·Reason for change:______·8· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______·9· ·______10· ·Reason for change:______11· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______12· ·______13· ·Reason for change:______14· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______15· ·______16· ·Reason for change:______17· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______18· ·______19· ·Reason for change:______20· ·Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______21· ·______22· ·Reason for change:______23 24· ·SIGNATURE:______DATE:______25· · · · · · ·MARK SCHUBERT