Queensland

Parliamentary Debates [Hansard]

Legislative Assembly

THURSDAY, 3 MARCH 1960

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provision of accommodation for the University at St. Lucia. As buildings on the previous site of the University of Queensland are progressively vacated adjustments of accommodation can be effected which will assist in freeing the Domain of the temporary buildings which it will be remembered were placed upon it by the Government previously in office. Neither the University nor the Depart­ ment of Education wishes to continue to use the accommodation on the Domain any longer than is necessary." "(2) I would remind the Honourable Member that the decision to excise portion of the land known as the Domain for the purpose of accommodating a new Morgue was made during the term of office of the Government in which he was the Deputy THURSDAY, 3 MARCH, 1960 Premier. The master development plan of the present Government with respect of the area surrounding the Domain is Mr. SPEAKER (Hon. A. R. Fletcher, for the purpose of undertaking long range Cunningham) took the chair at 11 a.m. planning in which aesthetic and utilitarian aspects will be carefully considered. This QUESTIONS plan will be considered in conjunction and in consonance with the proposals of RETURN OF BRISBANE DOMAIN TO BRISBANE the Greater Brisbane Town Planning Com­ CITY COUNCIL mittee upon the portion of the City area Mr. DUGGAN (North Toowoomba­ concerned. So importantly does the Leader of the Opposition) asked the Government view this that a special Premier- Cabinet Committee has been formed to deal with the matter." "(!) In view of the undertaking given to Parliament on October 29, 1957, that the "(3) My reference to the Domain Brisbane Domain would be handed back to being Crown land was intended to convey the Brisbane City Council for public use that the area has not been alienated under as soon as alternative accommodation for leasehold or freehold title. The area com­ monly known as the 'Domain' forms part the Central Technical College was avail­ of the Botanic Gardens Reserve, and able, what steps have been taken during the any land reserved for a public purpose is intervening twenty-eight months to secure Crown land within the interpretation of or provide such alternative accommoda­ the Land Acts. The Government retains tion?'' the right to amend a Reserve by excising "(2) In respect of his statement in the any part thereof or including additional House on September 15, 1959, 'the future land therein as may be deemed advisable of that piece of Crown-I repeat, Crown­ or desirable in the public interest. The land known as the Domain is receiving Honourable Member can rest assured that consideration in conjunction with the any action taken by the Government with formulation of a master development plan respect of the land in question will be for for the whole of the surrounding area,' does the general benefit of the community." this mean that the Domain may be subject to further excisions such as that made to SALE OF CROWN FoRESTRY LAND TO PRIVATE accommodate the new Morgue?" INTERESTS "(3) Is his emphatic insistence that the Domain is 'Crown land' to be interpreted as Mr. DUGGAN (North Toowoomba­ meaning that if the Government elects to Leader of the Opposition) asked the excise any part or use all of the Domain Minister for Public Lands and Irrigation- in implementing its so-called 'master "(!) Has he been approached by private development plan,' neither the Brisbane timber merchants or milling interests with City Council nor the people will have any proposals for the purchase by them of a say in the matter?" large area of Crown forestry lands on the basis of land value plus current valuation Hon. G. F. R. NICKLIN (Landsborough) of standing timber?" replied- "(2) Has he received from any source " (I) A number of contingencies are involved in making provisions for alterna­ proposals which would involve the sale by tive accommodation to that in the Brisbane the Government of Crown forestry land Domain including accommodation for and/ or the timber thereon?" certain department or sections of the "(3) If so, what action has been taken or University of Queensland. The Govern­ is proposed to be taken in respect of any ment has contributed substantially in the such proposals?" Questions [3 MARCH] Questions 2235

Hon. A. G. MULLER (Fassifern) replied­ dammed on adjoining sites. The Com­ "(1) No." mission's allotments now compare favourably with privately owned allot­ "(2) No." ments in the vicinity." "(3) See (1) and (2) above." TRANSFER OF RAILWAY LAND FOR TOWNSVILLE SHOW SOCIETY FINANCIAL AssiSTANCE TO WooLLOONGABBA SPORTS GROUND Mr. AIKENS (Mundingburra) asked the Minister for Public Lands and Irrigation- Mr. AIKENS (Mundingburra) asked the Treasurer and Minister for Housing- "(1) Has the Railway Department trans­ ferred to the Lands Commission the rail­ "(1) Did the Government grant a loan or way reserve adjacent to the show grounds any other form of financial assistance to at Townsville West preparatory to that land those in control of the Woolloongabba being granted to the Townsville Show Sports or Cricket Ground for the purpose Society for grounds expansion purposes?" of effecting improvements, &c., and, if so, "(2) What steps are being taken to pro­ to what extent and on what terms?" tect the owners of homes on the land from "(2) If any assistance was given, will precipitate ejectment and to give them similar assistance be given to the Trustees adequate time to make satisfactory arrange­ of the Townsville Sports Reserve for the ments to secure other accommodation or same purpose?" to move their homes?" Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo) replied- Hon. A. G. MULLER (Fassifern) replied- " (1) Under the provisions of 'The " (1 and 2) A proposal to excise for Brisbane Cricket Ground Act of 1958,' showgrounds extension purposes an area repayment of a loan of £22,000 by the from Railway Reserve R. 293, Townsville, Australia and New Zealand Bank Limited was submitted by the Secretary, Com­ for the purpose of effecting improvements missioner for Railways. There are five at the Brisbane Cricket Ground was existing informal leases on the land on guaranteed by the Government. The which dwellings have been erected. It guarantee is regarded as being of a is a preliminary requirement of the depart­ temporary nature as the loan will be repaid ment that the Townsville Pastoral, Agricul­ from proceeds of sale of the Fiveways tural and Industrial Association should Service Station which at present forms effect a settlement satisfactory to the part of the Brisbane Cricket Ground." occupants of the land and the association before action should proceed to excise "(2) In the absence of any such applica­ the railway land in question for show­ tion, I am unable to indicate what the ground extension purposes." Government would then decide." WIDOW's PENSION, PUBLIC SERVICE TOWN ALLOTMENTS, ARMSTRONG-GULLIVER SUPERANNUATION SCHEME AREA, TOWNSVILLE Mr. GARDNER (Rockhampton), for Hon. Mr. AIKENS (Mundingburra) asked the V. C. GAIR (South Brisbane), asked the Treasurer and Minister for Housing- Premier- "With reference to my previous questions "(1) Has his attention been drawn to the on the matter and assurances given that editorial in the State Service Journal, the problem would be attended to, is he headed 'This is a Pernicious Tax'?" aware that many allotments in the Arm­ "(2) Is it a fact that the widow's pension, strong-Gulliver area in Townsville have as provided in the Public Service Super­ not been filled in and that the Housing annuation Scheme, is capitalised and taken Commission tenants are experiencing con­ into account to determine the rate of suc­ siderable inconvenience and hardship due cession duty to be charged on the estate to water-logged yards? If so, will he per­ of a deceased officer?" sonally interest himself in the matter?" "(3) If the answer to part (2) above is in the affirmative, will he give an undertaking Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo) replied- to bring the matter before Cabinet for "Filling has been provided to houses reconsideration at the earliest oossible where filling was warranted. A recent opportunity with a view to protecting inspection of all rental homes in this widows from this imposition?" area following a fall of approximately five hundred points of rain in thirty-six Hon. G. F. R. NICKLIN (Landsborough) hours revealed that no water was lying replied- under the houses while minor ponding " Cl) Yes." was found in five yards. Such cases of minor ponding will receive attention. As "(2) Yes." the Honourable Member will be aware, this "(3) The relevant provisions of the is very level country and no advantage Succession and Probate Duties Acts is to be gained by filling one allotment governing this matter have been in exis­ to such an extent that stormwater is tence for many years incorporating the 2236 Questions [ASSEMBLY] Questions

whole period in which the Honourable LEVELLING OF AREA, NEW STATE SCHOOL, Member held ministerial office, including PORT DOUGLAS that of Premier. It seems strange that, with such ample opportunity to do so, Mr. ADAIR (Cook) asked the Minister he took no steps to remove what he for Education- now describes as an 'imposition'." "Will he indicate when work will be com­ menced on the levelling of area for the GIFTS TO CUSTOMERS BY OIL CoMPANIES building of the new school at Port Douglas?" Mr. GARDNER (Rockhampton), for Hon. Hon. J. C. A. PIZZEY (lsis) replied- V. C. GAIR (South Brisbane), asked the "The Land Administration Commission Minister for Justice- has advised that formalities associated with "In view of the growing practice of cer­ a road closure have delayed completion tain oil companies and petrol resellers of of the action taken for the creation of making gifts to customers in the form of a new school reserve at Port Douglas treasure-chest prizes, television sets, ice­ but notice setting aside the area in question creams and pens, the cost of the latter often as a reserve under the control of the representing more than 10 per centum of Minister for Education will appear in the the customer's purchase, will he (a) order an 'Government Gazette' of the 12th instant. immediate investigation by the Prices Action will now be taken to ask the Branch into the wholesale and retail Department of Public Works to make an marketing of petroleum products in Queens­ inspection and arrange for such ground land, with a view to determining more improvements as may be found necessary." economic and just price levels; (b) examine the legality of the sales promotion scheme MANUFACTURE OF FERTILISER, UREA known as Ampol Treasure Chest, the legitimacy of which is being queried in Mr. COBURN (Burdekin) asked the other States; and (c) ascertain whether these Minister for Labour and Industry- practices do, in fact, constitute unfair or "As the recently introduced fertiliser, restrictive trading practices bv the more Urea, has gained favour with sugar pro· powerful oil companies and resellers to the ducers in other countries of the world and detriment of the smaller operator?" it would appear that there is a demand by Hon. A. W. MUNRO (Toowong) replied­ Queensland cane-growers for its production "The legal aspects of these various in this State, will he kindly arrange for matters are being examined." officers of the Secondary Industries Assis­ tance Department to discuss with represen­ tatives of the cane-growers organisatiol}s TRANSPORT OF CHILDREN FROM BESSIE the wisdom and the possibility of the manu­ POINT, CAIRNS TO MAINLAND facture of this fertiliser at Ayr, where Mr. ADAIR (Cook) asked the Minister unlimited water and cheap electric power for Education- are available?" "In view of his refusal to grant assistance Hon. K. J. MORRIS (Mt. CooHha) to enable the children of Bessie Point to replied- travel to the mainland to attend school, "Urea is one of the recommended pro· does he not consider this is discrimination ducts from the proposed fertilizer works against these children, when children attend­ and the Director of Secondary Industries ing State schools are receiving free road has been working a great deal on this transport?" matter. It is also of interest to note that some overseas countries have now Hon. J. C. A. PIZZEY (Isis) replied- taken the further step of application of "There has been no discrimination liquid ammonia direct. Under certain against the children who are travelling conditions this has proved the most from Bessie Point to Cairns. Approval economical method of obtaining nitrogen, was given for a transport service whereby and this too, is being thoroughly investi­ these children were conveyed free of gated. The Director of Secondary Indus· charge. The Department of Harbours tries is always available to discuss matters and Marine advised that the vessel being such as this with interested parties." used for this service was not seaworthy and the service had to be discontinued. TRIALS IN DISTRICT COURTS When a suitable vessel is available this service will be reinstituted. The Mr. HOUSTON (Bulimba) asked the availability of a suitable vehicle or motor Minister for Justice- boat has always been regarded as a pre­ "(1) How many civil actions have been requisite to approval for the institution instituted in the District Courts in Brisbane of any transport service. In the meantime, since they came into being?" the parents of these children are being paid conveyance allowance to assist them "(2) How many of these actions have in meeting the cost of private been heard?" arrangement whereby their children are "(3) What would be a normal waiting now being conveyed to school at Cairns." time from institution to hearing of case?" Questions [3 MARcH] Questions 2237

Hon. A. W. MUNRO (Toowong) replied- MEDWAY CREEK RAILWAY DISASTER "(1) 380 civil actions have been insti­ INQUIRY tuted in the District Courts in Brisbane Mr. DONALD (Bremer) asked the Minis­ since the establishment of the Court in ter for Transport- April, 1959. In addition to these actions "(1) Has his attention been drawn to the 41 appeals have been instituted." report which appeared in 'The Courier­ "(2) 52 civil actions and 25 appeals Mail' of March 2, under the heading 'Were have been disposed of during the same not consulted-Unions', which stated that period." officials of Railway Unions denied in Bris­ " ( 3) It is not possible to state a normal bane last night that they had been consulted waiting time from institution to hearing by the Railway Department over establish­ of case. The two main reasons for this ment of the Medway Creek rail disaster are first that the District Courts are still inquiry?" in a developmental stage, and secondly "(2) If the report is correct, will he that there is a considerable variety in the explain why he chose to ignore the Railway nature and circumstances of cases. To Maintenance Union, the Australian view this matter in its proper perspective Federated Union of Locomotive Enginemen it is also necessary to realise that, during and the Guard, Shunters and Conductors the same period, the District Courts in Union?" Brisbane dealt with a total of 343 criminal trials and sentences. It may also be of Hon. G. W. W. CHALK (Lockyer) interest to note that an additional District replied- Court Judge, with headquarters at Bris­ "(1 and 2) I have read the report. bane, was appointed in February of this There are many other responsible spokes­ year." men associated with the unions concerned in addition to the four unionists mentioned." TENDERS FOR DIESEL-ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVES Mr. THACKERAY (Keppel) asked the Mr. HOUSTON (Bulimba) asked the Minister for Transport- Minister for Transport- "(1) In view of the grave public concern "Who were the tenderers and what were as to the condition of railroad and bridges the respective prices quoted for the supply of the Queensland Government Railways of five heavy diesel-electric locomotives, and in view also of the proposed inquiry the contract for which was announced by into the Medway Creek disaster, does he him on February 11 ?'' not consider a Supreme Court Judge would be more suitable than a General Manager Hon. G. W. W. CHALK (Lockyer) to act as chairman in assessing evidence?" replied- "(2) Is the inquiry to be based solely on " A. E. Goodwin Ltd., £390,000; the Medway Creek smash or to be a general English Electric Co., £473,915; Clyde inquiry into the safety conditions operating Engineering Co., £531,300; A. Goninan in the Queensland Railways?" & Co., £534,400; A.S.E.A. Ltd., £563,000. The lowest tender was for a locomotive "(3) Will Trade Union officials be allowed which had a horse power of only 643 at to give evidence and cross-examine wit­ rail, whereas the required rail horsepower nesses at this inquiry?" was 1,030. Its tractive effort was much Hon. G. W. W. CHALK (Lockyer) less than the required 38,000 lbs. at replied- 10 miles per hour, and the engine was " (1) I am unaware that there is any a 6-cylinder one, whereas a 12-cylinder grave public concern as claimed by. ~he was specified. The fuel tank capacity was Honourable Member as to the cond1t10n only 600 U.S. gallons as against 750 of the railroad and bridges of the Queens­ imperial gallons specified." land Government Railways. I already have stated by press announcement RAILWAY DEPARTMENT AND MARGINS that I have absolute confidence in the INCREASE integrity and capacity of the members of the Board of Inquiry, who are men Mr. DONALD (Bremer) asked the Minis­ experienced in railway administration, ter for Transport- engineering and maintenance." "Is it the intention of his department "(2 and 3) The inquiry is into the cause to oppose any application made by the of and the whole of the circumstances Trade Unions for the granting of the surrounding the derailment of the Mid­ twenty-eight per centum margin increase lander air-conditioned train at Medway recently granted by the Commonwealth Creek bridge on February 26, 1960. Any Arbitration Commission?" member of the public, including trade union officials desirous of giving evidence Hon. G. W. W. CHALK (Lockyer) will have an' opportunity of doing so, replied- and the Board has power to subpoena "This is a matter which will receive any witnesses :vhom it ~hinks. mig~t be consideration having regard to the terms able to give evtdence whtch Will assist at of the application when received." the inquiry." 1960-4B 2238 Questions [ASSEMBLY] Questions

NEW AcT TO GovERN QuEENSLAND company in a Brisbane court stated that he AMBULANCE TRANSPORT BRIGADE could produce five witnesses to swear on oath that the company had been told by the Mr. McCATHIE (Haughton) asked the Transport Minister that it could run direct Minister for Health and Home Affairs- to Queensland towns instead of crossing "Has any consideration been given the border; (i) a transport policeman was to proposals from the executive of the abusively drunk to a road haulier in a Queensland Ambulance Transport Brigade public place before five witnesses; (j) the submitted after (a) the Mackay Conference unhealthy state of railway finances was in 1956 when an Act similar to that operat­ due to Labour administrations and that ing in New South Wales was sought or Labour thinking is shared by Liberal after (b) the Southport Conference in 1959 politicians; and (k) although Western Trans­ when an Act of Incorporation was sought?" port have been prosecuted for breaches of the Transport Act, the number of prosecu­ Hon. H. W. NOBLE (Yeronga) replied- tions are small in projlortion to the breaches of the Act committed by this company?" "! have been in touch with the Central Executive of the Queensland Ambulance "(2) If the Premier has received the Transport Brigade on this matter, and will letter from the Queensland Road Hauliers' continue to do so until the position is Association containing the foregoing allega­ resolved. Whilst it is not intended that tions, will he in fairness to the companies the proposal for a separate Act for ambu­ concerned and in the public interest appoint lance brigades will be proceeded with. a Royal Commission to publicly Probe the It is intended that amendment of the allegations and thereby allow all parties Hospital Act with reference to ambulance named in the letter to state their case?" brigades will be submitted to the House "(3) Has it been conveyed to him, from at the first opportune time. It is con­ any source, that similar discriminatory fidently expected that the problem can be satisfactorily resolved in this way." treatment was exercised during the previous Government's period of office?" "(4) If so, and a Royal Commission is SUGGESTED ROYAL COMMISSION ON BORDER appointed, will he extend the terms of HOPPING reference to enable the commission to Mr. WALSH (Bundaberg) asked the Pre­ enquire into the previous Government's mier- administration of the Transport Act?" "(1) Has he received a letter from the Hon. G. F. R. NICKLIN (Landsborough) Queensland Road Hauliers' i\ssociation in rcplied- which it is claimed, inter alia, that (a) "(1) Yes." some licensed companies have been given immunity from prosecution by the depart­ "(2) No." ment for border-hopping offences; (b) "(3) No." evidence was given by a State transport "(4) See answer to (2)." policeman in a court case at Toowoomba on January 18 last, in which he admitted QUEENSLAND EGG BoARD BUILDING he had exercised discriminatory treatment favouring licensed operators and on Mr. CLARK (Fitzroy) asked the Minister occasions had booked all three licensed for Labour and Industry- Toowoomba companies for breaches; (c) "(1) How much did the Government pay two of such firms, viz., Brown's and Cobb for the building previously occupied by the & Co., have never been summonsed; (d) Queensland Egg Board now to be used by in Warwick on the nights of August 29 and the Queensland Police Department?" September 4, 1958, six breaches of the Act were reported by a State Transport Depart­ "(2) Have plans been prepared for its ment policeman, five of which concerned conversion for use by the Police Depart­ companies owned by Cobb & Co., and for ment?" which no summons were ever served on "(3) What is the estimated cost of con­ Cobb & Co. companies; (e) Cobb & Co. version?" companies have been operating on an "(4) When is it anticipated the building alleged interstate basis for two years with­ will be ready for occupation?" out any prosecution; (f) there is concern in transport circles over the influence exercised Hon. K. J. MORRIS (Mt. Coot-tha) on the Transport Department by Cobb & replied- Co. and Brown's Transport, such firms "( 1) £80,000." having been booked for breaches of the "(2) Plans and specification are in Act, but they have not been prosecuted, course of preparation." and are seldom checked, and appear to have been granted immunity; (g) Crisps's, " ( 3) The work to be included in the licensed operator in Stanthoroe area, had a proposal has not been finalised." summons served on it two years ago for a "(4) No definite date is known but breach of the Act and the case still stands partial occupation at least is expected adjourned; (h) counsel appearing for the in the next financial year." Questions [3 MARCH] Questions 2239

SUGGESTED NEW RAIL SECTIONS, "(2) Can he advise the House (a) the BOGANTUNGAN-DRUMMOND RANGE estimated cost of construction of the flats proposed for Holland Park, for which Mr. CLARK (Fitzroy) asked the Minister it is understood plans and estimates have for Transport- been prepared, (b) the number of fiats con­ "In view of the steep grades, sharp curves, tained in the building, and (c) the approxi­ and high wooden bridges over fast-flowing mate rental charges for one-, two- and streams, also the landslides, derailments and three-bedroomed units?" accidents that have occurred over the Bogantungan-Drummond Range section, Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo) replied­ will he give consideration to a survey for "( 1) 320, including provision for the construction of a new railway line over land." this section to be carried out in stages over the next three years?" "(2) (a) £272,000 including an estimate to cover rise and fall provision, a tender having been accepted in October last. The Hon. G. W. W. CHALK (Lockyer) flats are being constructed. (b) 99 fiats in replied- 4 buildings. (c) £3 Ss. for a single bed­ "Surveys already have been made with room and £4 5s. for a two bedroom fiat the object of improving grades and curva­ per week. There . are no three bedroom ture over this section of line. A trial flats. I might add that these rentals survey for a deviation approximately could be as low as one-half and certainly 14 miles in length to eliminate sharp no more than two-thirds of what would curves and improve the grade to 1 in 75 be charged for comparable living accom­ shows that the cost of the work would modation." be approximately £1,000,000. The elimination of four-chain curves and a few five-chain curves by the construction of STATE RENTAL HOUSES FOR CIVILIANS AND five short deviations without any improve­ THE ARMED FORCES, IPSWICH AND GROVELY ment in grade would cost approximately £200,000. The undertaking of improve­ Mr. MANN (Brisbane), for l\1f. LLOYD ments to this section of line will receive (Kedron), asked the Treasurer and Minister consideration in conjunction with other for Housing- desirable works, having regard to available "In view of the obvious inability of work­ finances." ing families securing the allotment of State rental houses at Ipswich and at Grovely, FARM LAND, HERBERT RIVER, MT. GARNET will he approach the Commonwealth DISTRICT Government, explaining the position and the necessity of workers securing accom­ Mr. GILMORE (Tablelands) asked the modation in reasonable proximity to their Minister for Public Lands and Irrigation- places of employment, with the obiect of "As the farming lands recently opened having that Government instruct the up on the Herbert River, Mount Garnet, Department of the Army and the R.A.A.F. were eagerly sought and as a demand exists to either accept their responsibilitY for housin.g members of the Armed Forces, or for more, will he have more offered, say accepting alternative accommodation in up to twenty blocks?" Brisbane and Ipswich?" Hon. A. G. MULLER (Fassifern) replied- Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo) replied- "There are no more surveyed blocks "On the second instant I advised the available for leasing from former Wood­ Honourable Member in answer to his leigh holding on the Herbert River. question that the Commonwealth had However, following the Honourable Mem­ ber's representations, an early investiga­ accepted houses in seven areas of Ipswich. tion will be made as to the suitability of I suggest the Honourable Member inadver­ the land situated on the northern bank of tently included Ipswich in his question. The Millstream near Watson's Bend, for I cannot add further to the answer given farming purposes." to the Honourable Member on this question except to remind him that the 1956 Commonwealth and State Housing COST OF HOUSING COMMISSION FLATS Agreement was entered into before this :Mr. MANN (Brisbane), for Mr. LLOYD Government took office. Might I remind (Kedron), asked the Treasurer and Minister the Honourable Gentleman that the terms for Housing- of that agreement in relation to accom­ modation for members of the defence "(1) In view of the press statement some forces contains one very advantageous time ago that the erection of three blocks clause for which I feel he has no regard. of flats in Brisbane would cost approxi­ mately £1 million, will he advise the On every occasion that the Commonwealth approximate number of wooden dwellings exercises its right to claim a house which that this appropriation would build in the has been built under the Commonwealth­ suburban areas of Brisbane?" State Housing Agreement, they have to 2240 Questions [ASSEMBLY] Questions

provide, as additional housing money for APPOINTMENT OF SCHOOL INSPECTORS the State, an extra sum equal to one-half the value of the house. Having regard Mr. DIPLOCK (Condamine) asked the to the total housing needs of the State, I Minister for Education- am prepared to say that Queensland would gain tremendously were the Common­ "Have teachers who have not qualified wealth to exercise its right of nomination by examination to proceed to Class I., not only to the full limit allowed by the Division I., been appointed to the Inspec­ agreement but beyond. It would mean torate recently?" a lot of extra houses for Queensland citizens. If the purpose of the Honourable Hon. J. C. A. PIZZEY (Isis) replied- Gentleman's reasoning is to suggest that "Yes. The appointments were made because a citizen wears the Queen's uniform he is no longer a citizen I am in compliance with the prescriptions in afraid I cannot agree with him." Public Service Regulations 105 and 106. The officers promoted, owing to their superior efficiency had already, in open TENDERS FOR YEPPOON JETTY ANCHORAGE competition with other Head Teachers of Class I Division I, won their way to the Mr. THACKERAY (Keppel) asked the head teacherships of large schools, and by Treasurer and Minister for Housing- virtue of this superior efficiency and their "(1) Have any tenders been called for experience in the organisation and the construction of the Yeppoon Jetty management of such schools are quite Anchorage? If so, have any tenders been competent to inspect any other head submitted and accepted?" teacher." "(2) When is work likely to start on this project?" SHORTAGE OF TRAINED STAFF, CUNNAMULLA Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo) replied- AND CHARLEVILLE HOSPITALS "(1) Tenders closed at noon yesterday. Mr. MANN (Brisbane), for Mr. DUFFICY They will be examined by the Chief (Warrego), asked the Minister for Health and Engineer, Department of Harbours and Home Affairs- Marine, who will, in due course, make a recommendation for acceptance of the "(1) Is he aware that the Cunnamulla most satisfactory one. If none is con­ Hospital may close in the near future sidered suitable it is proposed that the because of a shortage of trained staff and work be done by the Livingstone Shire that shortage of trained staff at the Charle­ Council." ville Base Hospital is so serious that "(2) Until tenders have been con­ residents of the far south-west are being sidered it is not possible to indicate when denied adequate hospital facilities?" the work will commence." "(2) What action, if any, has he taken to rectify this position?" NEW PRIMARY SCHOOL, KAWANA AREA, ROCKHAMPTON Hon. H. W. NOBLE (Yeronga) replied- Mr. THACKERAY (Keppel) asked the "(1 and 2) I am aware that staff Minister for Education- shortage has been severe at Cunnamulla Hospital and that Charleville Hospital has "Will he consider building a new primary also been affected. Residents of the school in the Kawana area, Rockhampton, south-west area are not being denied the in place of the Present school which is maximum hospital facilities that can be obsolete and the school grounds unsuit­ provided. Every assistance possible is able?" given by the department to help hospitals boards to solve staff shortages, and this Hon. J. C. A. PIZZEY (Isis) replied- was done for the Cunnamulla Hospital. "The Regional Director of Education The latest advice received indicated that and the District Architect have reported the position at that hospital was much that the Glenmore School building should improved in that a number of additions be replaced with a new building on a new to the trained staff were expected. Closure site. A site considered to be suitable of the Cunnamulla Hospital is not expected. for the purpose has been selected in the No request for assistance in the matter of Kawana area and action to acquire this recruitment of nursing staff has been site will be commenced immediately. received from Charleville Hospital. It is When it is secured a recommendation will fairly common about January and be made to the Department of Public February for western hospitals to experi­ Works for the erection as early as it ence some staff shortage but the position can be arranged, of a new school usually improves quickly when the very building." hot weather is over." QWJstions [3 MARcH] 2241

AMALGAMATION OF MURWEH SHIRE COUNCIL PROPERTIES PURCHASED BY GOVERNMENT AND CHARLEVILLE TOWN COUNCIL Mr. lESSON (Hinchinbrook) asked the Mr. MANN (Brisbane), for Mr. DUFFICY Premier- (Warrego), asked the Minister for Public Works and Local Government- "(1) How many properties have been purchased by the Government since it took "Did he receive the following resolution office in (a) the metropolitan area and (b) from the Charleville Town Council-That country areas?" this council endeavour to amalgamate with the Murweh Shire Council'? If so, what "(2) Will he please advise the House in action, if any, has he taken?" detail the names of each property, location, prices paid and for what purpose the Hon. 1. A. HEADING (Marodian) properties were bought?" replied- "(3) Has any reconstruction work been "Yes. The matter was referred to the commenced, where, and what is the esti­ Murweh Shire Council for its representa­ mated cost of the conversions?" tions, as is required by law. I have discussed the matter with representatives Hon. G. F. R. NICKLIN (Landsborough) of the Murweh Shire Council and expect replied- to receive a reply at an early date." " Cl to 3) To collate the information sought by the Honourable Member would NUMBER OF PERMANENT EMPLOYEES IN involve considerable expenditure in time RAILWAY DEPARTMENT and money which would not be justified." Mr. DAVIES (Maryborough) asked the Minister for Transport- NEW HIGH SCHOOL, BARDON "How many permanent employees were in the Railway Department as at Feb­ Mr. HANLON (Ithaca) asked the Minister ruary 1, 1960?" for Education- Hon. G. W. W. CHALK (Lockyer) "In view of the initial heavy enrolment replied- at the new High School opened this year " At January 10, 1960, 24,527 ." at The Gap, will he give priority to the erection of a High School on the site held at Bardon for that purpose?" AREA PLANTED AND MEN EMPLOYED, TUAN FORESTRY AREA Hon. 1. C. A. PIZZEY (Isis) replied- "The establishment of a high school on Mr. DAVIES (Maryborough) asked the the Bardon site will be effected as soon Minister for Public Lands and Irrigation- as it is considered necessary. Initial " ( 1) What acreage is to be planted at enrolments at the Gap High School, Maryborough's Tuan Forestry this year?" though very satisfactory, were not heavy." "(2) How many men are employed at Tuan Forestry at the present time?" FAMILY MEN PAYING HIGH RENTALS Hon. A. G. MULLER (Fassifern) replied­ "(1) 421." Mr. HANLON (Ithaca) asked the Treasurer "(2) 54." and Minister for Housing- "Will he give consideration to a new TRANSPORT OF COAL BY ROAD category of rental priority covering cases where applicants are family-men paying Mr. DAVIES (Maryborough) asked the exorbitant rents beyond their income Premier- capacity as such cases at present have no "Does the Government contemplate priority standing?" altering the distances by which coal can be transported by road and, if so, what changes Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo) replied- are contemplated?" "It is considered that the present points priority system, which is based on housing Hon. G. F. R. NICKLIN (Landsborough) need, is the most equitable and suitable. replied- This system has operated satisfactorily "The question of the haulage of coal since 1945. Now let me remind the by road poses some problems and the Honourable Gentleman of the priority whole matter is at present under examina­ table-Families facing ejectment from tion by the various departments interested, present dwellings or homeless, 100 points; particularly insofar as it concerns the families living in tents, huts or similar West Moreton field. One particular aspect unsuitable accommodation, 100 points; being examined is whether, in the event of families living in premises condemned by large quantities of coal from this field local or State authorities, 80 points; being brought into the metropolitan area families separated owing to lack of accom­ by road, traffic hazards would be created modation, 60 points; families living under both on the main highways and in the overcrowded conditions 40 points; families Ipswich and metropolitan areas." sharing houses with other people, 40 2242 Questions [ASSEMBLY] Questions

points. A further three points shall be Mr. W ALLACE (Cairns), without notice, added for each child. After carefully asked the Minister for Justice- considering the matter, I am not prepared "In view of the apparent concern bv to concede any priority for people who small shareholders of the Cairns Star are adequately housed but facing dear Bowkett Building Society as to the adminis­ rental over families facing ejectment or tration, will he consider an investigation living in tents or huts or in condemned into the affairs of the society with a view premises. Still further, if I agree that to eliminating any doubts as to its an excessive rental is a social hardship, integrity?" I am bound to say that I regard separated families, overcrowded conditions and shared houses as a worse social evil." Hon. A. W. MUNRO (Toowong) replied- "! have not had prior notice of this CONSTRUCTION OF ABATTOIRS AT MACKAY question but if the hon. member will place before me his request in writing indicating Mr. GRAHAM (Mackay) asked the grounds in support of his suggestion, the Minister for Agriculture and Stock- matter will be given consideration." "(1) In connection with tlte press report that appears in 'The Mackay Daily ACCIDENTS AT EAGLE FARM RAILWAY LEVEL Mercury' of 25 February, dealing with the CROSSING activities of the Mackay Abattoir Board, can he confirm the statements appearing Mr. KNOX (Nundah), without notice, in this report, which state that the Mackay asked the Minister for Transport- Abattoir Board has had discussions with "As t1re amount of traffic using the an operating firm with regard to the con­ Eagle Farm railway level crossing is struction of the abattoirs and that the firm increasing daily, and as there have been in question has made preliminary investi­ several near accidents and two serious gations into the proposal?" accidents, including a fatal accident last "(2) Will he inform the House of the night, at this crossing, will the Minister name of the operating firm concerned?" have an examination made of the crossing with a view to improving safety?" Hon. 0. 0. MADSEN (Warwick) replied- Hon. G. W. W. CHALK (Lockyer) " (1 and 2) Certain bodies including replied- more than one operating firm have dis­ "This morning I received a report from played interest in the construction and the Commissioner for Railways dealing operation of an abattoir at Mackay. with this unfortunate happening. I have However, I understand that the con­ not had a chance to study the contents fei ences with the various interested of it but I know it contains reference organisations have not extended beyond to the fact that witnesses are prepared discussions of an exploratory nature. The to vertify t1rat the driver of the loco­ board has requested my department to motive sounded his whistle and in fact supply certain information as outlined did everything possible to attempt to stop in my answer to question No. 22 asked the train. However, I assure the hon. by the Honourable Member for Whit­ member that I will fully consider the sunday on March 2, 1960. When the report and, if it is considered necessary board is in a position to fully examine the to provide additional warning signals or information supplied at its request, I have take other action, it will certainly be no doubt it will forward its considered attended to." recommendations to my department for examination and subsequent recommenda­ tion to the Government." OPERATIONS OF ROAD HAULIERS Mr. WALSH (Bundaberg), without notice, CAIRNS STAR BOWKETT BUILDING SOCIETY asked the Premier- "Has the Premier received a letter from Mr. WALLACE (Cairns) asked the Messrs. Quinlan, Miller & Treston, solici­ Treasurer and Minister for Housing- tors, dated 2 March, in which inter alia, "In view of the apparent concern bv it is stated- small shareholders of the Cairns Star 'Far more serious and more con­ Bowkett Building Society as to the crete instances of discrimination have administration, will he consider an investi­ now been drawn to our attention by our gation into the affairs of the society with client. On 25 February, in the presence a view to eliminating any doubts as to of reputable persons here in Brisbane, its integrity?" Mr. Harris was told by a fellow opera­ tor that there was corruption amongst Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo) replied­ the State Transport police and that nine "This question should be addressed to of the police were actually being paid my colleague the Honourable the Minister sums of money by him. The same for Justice." operator then told our client that he Questions [3 MARCH) Motion for Adjournment 2243

was given advance information of a "HARLEY'S SEAFOODS," LABRADOR, SOUTHPORT sort of roster system indicating where and at what times the police would be Mr. JESSON (Hinchinbrook), without operating for that week and that on notice, asked the Treasurer and Minister for other occasions, in exchange for the pay­ Housing- ment of £5 by him, individual reports "Following my question of the 2nd inst. of breaches Were destroyed by Depart­ and your informative answer re Harley's mental officers in his presence. Seafoods Store- 'The same man further told our client (1) Could you please inform the that other hauliers were operating under House- the same system. Further, on the 26th (a) What rent is being derived by February, the same operator informed Harley from Hughes? Mr. Harris that he had been visited at (b) How much rent does he his depot that morning and he had made (Harley) pay to the Council? another payment. These, we know, are (2) Has the Gold Coast Town Council serious charges and our client is pre­ ever received any rent from this busi­ pared on any occasion to give evidence ness?" on Oath of the information which was given him and set out in this paragraph. Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo) replied- In view of this strong evidence of "So far as I am aware Mr. Harley corruption and discrimination in admini­ receives no rent. I am informed that he stration by the Department and against is a partner in the business and, as such, the background of unrest which has he no doubt receives a share of profits, existed even prior to this date, we ask but, so far as I know, no rent. No rent is that you give this matter your most presently being paid by Mr. Harley to the urgent attention as it seems that justice Council. Such rent was paid, but on find­ is not being done at all and that honest ing that the Council had no right to levy operators are presently being persecuted rent, it was discontinued." under this system of abuses. You must agree that allegations of corruption and PAPERS malpractice can be investigated satisfac­ torily only by open enquiry. Our client The following papers were laid on the demands such an enquiry in this case. table:- In view of the failure of Cabinet to By-laws under the Southern Electric institute adequate enquiries into the Authority of Queensland Acts, 1952 to charges already made to you about the 1958. administration of the Department, our client intends to make copies of this Order in Council under the State Electricity letter available tonight to other inter­ Commission Acts, 1937 to 1958. ested parties.' "If the Premier has received the letter MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT referred to containing the foregoing alle­ POLICE AND RoAD HAULIERS gations, what action does the Government propose to take in connection with it?" Mr. SPEAKER: I wish to acquaint the House that this morning I received the follow­ Hon. G. F. R. NICKLIN (Landsbor­ ing letter from the hon. member for Bunda­ ough) replied- berg and Deputy Leader, Queensland Labour "! received the letter this morning when Party:- I came into my office at 8.30 a.m. A reply "Parliament House, is now in the hands of the solicitors con­ "Brisbane, cerned, advising them that as their client "March 3, 1960. has made allegations of criminal offences "Dear Mr. Fletcher, which can be supported by evidence it is "In accordance with Standing Order his duty to give full information concern­ No. 137, I desire to inform you that I ing these allegations to the Commissioner propose to move the adjournment of the of Police so that they may be investi­ House at today's sitting for the purpose gated without delay. of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance, viz., charges of May I further add that if the client con­ corruption and malpractices in connec­ cerned, whose name the hon. member did tion with the administration of the not mention, but who I might say is named Transport Act. Harris, does not take this opportunity to "Yours faithfully visit the Commissioner of Police, Mr. "E. J. Walsh, Harris himself will be interviewed to give him an opportunity of standing up to "Member for Bundaberg and Deputy­ these very serious allegations which- are Leader, Queensland Labour Party. made against a very honourable body of ''The Hon. Alan Fletcher, men in our Queensland Police Force.'' "Speaker of the Legislative Assembly, "Parliament House, Government Members: Hear, heart "Brisbane." 2244 Motion for Adjournment [ASSEMBLY] Motion for Adjournment

Not fewer than five members having risen can be justified is another matter. They in their places in support of the motion- have been made in a communication from a responsible firm of solicitors of long stand­ Mr. WALSH (Bundaberg) (11.35 a.m.): I ing in the community. I hesitate to think move- that they would present anything that could ' That the House do now adjourn." not be substantiated. I take this opportunity under Standing Orders In "Truth" of 28 February there was an to move the adjournment of the House, whictJ. article headed "Road war legal men I think every hon. member will agree is the surprise." It goes on to refer to the with­ prerogative of any hon. member, to permit drawal of Mr. F. G. Brennan and Mr. John of a discussion of a matter of public import­ Currie of the leading firm of solicitors, ance in the limited time available before the O'Sullivan Ruddy & Currie. The relevant session ends. paragraph reads as follows:- Yesterday I directed questions to the Premier "Mr. Brennan had suggested a wide which covered the serious allegations made divergence of attitude and action by the by a representative of the Queensland Government, in its handling of transport Hauliers' Association. I think the Premier affairs involving hauliers. It is believed will agree that the charges made in that letter that, in withdrawing, counsel had il!formed against the administration are of sufficient their clients that certain informatwn had importance for them to be publicly exposed. come into their poessssion, just before the It is not enough for them to be thrown aside Ipswich case, which necessitated _their by evasive replies given either in this House withdrawal on the ground of professwnal or through the Press. I want to be quite fair . ethics." with the Premier in this matter and say that I want to be quite open with the Premier as far as I am concerned I am not interested and the Government by saying that I have in any of the people in this case-not at all. been told that Mr. Brennan and Mr. Currie's All I am interested in is the public state­ reasons for withdrawing from these cases ments that have been made and the state­ were that the statements contained in the ments made in the communication to the letter forwarded to the Premier were made Premier as head of the Government. There in their presence and therefore, as hon, appeared in the Press on 23 January, a state­ gentlemen and members of the legal pro­ ment by myself, commenting on a statement fession they felt that they could not con­ made by the Secretary of the Queensland tinue t~ appear in any of these cases wh~n Hauliers' Association, Mr. J. Overlack, which it was likely they would be called ~s :Vlt­ appeared in the "Courier-Mail". In that state­ nesses in any inquiry. Whether that lS ng~t ment Mr. Overlack made some specific or wrong, I cannot say. All I can say lS charges that bribes had been offered by the that that was told to me by those ~ho con­ Government and bribes had been accepted by veyed the informatiol! to _me last mght, and companies. Those are not my words; they that is the informat10n m the letter from are the words of the representative of the Messrs. Quinlan & Miller. hauliers. Mr. Aikens: Did the solicitors concerned A Government Member: You are making tell you this? use of them. Mr. W ALSH: The solicitors did not tell Mr. W ALSH: The same as hon. members me. I said I would be frank about the did when they were in Opposition. They matter The information was given to me used them to the full extent and got plenty by th~se who conveyed to me Quinlan & of Press copy for the allegations they made Miller's letter. against the then Government. I pointed out Mr. Knox: Who had authority to give that this was tantamount to a charge of you that letter? corrupt administration and could not be brushed aside lightly. I pointed out that -it Mr. WALSH: If the hon. member for had been represented to me that one of the Nundah had followed carefully my question representatives of a road-operating company without notice to the Premier, he would had been threatened that unless the offer know that the solicitors in their letter said submitted by the Government was agreed to it was being conveyed to other parties. action would be taken to cancel certain Mr. Knox: Who gave it to you? licenses. It was represented to me that the Minister for Transport threatened that Mr. WALSH: I am not here to be cross­ unless the proposals were agreed to licences questioned by the hon. member for Nundah. would be cancelled. It was indicateed to me He knows I have only a limited time in also, and the people who made these repre­ which to speak. I shall reply only to rele­ sentations said they believed the person con­ vant parts of his interjection. cerned would be prepared to make a sworn I think it will be agreed that the charges affidavit regarding these things. made by the Queensland Hauliers' Associa­ Another suggestion was contained in the tion in their letter to the Premier certainly letter forwarded to the Premier yesterday, justify a royal commission, and I sav the gist of which I have quoted. I agree frankly that one of tl1e members of the that they are grave charges. Whether they three firms mentioned in this connection Motion for Adjournment [3 MARcH] Motion for Adjournment 2245 has indicated to me that they would welcome charge certain freight rates in accordance a royal commission. What is there to hide? with railway freight classifications. Probably What do the Government want to hide? If they have had no alternative but to increase the firms are prepared to have it and the their charges when tlre Railway Department hauliers are looking for it, why not grant has increased its charges. This business is the request and let us have a complete not of much satisfaction to the consumers investigation into the matter. It does not and those dealing with the haulage com­ matter whose lread is to be cut off or who panies. The Minister has seen Press state­ is going to get a thrashing. These men on ments to the effect that some of these the road are making a living. If they are hauliers, who have been, I take it, carrying illegal borderhoppers, I have no time for them, on in a legitimate way, have been able to that is, if they are committing breaches of carry certain goods at a cheaper rate than the law, but I am concerned about any sug­ other companies. All these things arise as gestion that either the Minister or his to whether the Government are giving con­ officers are administering the law in such a sideration to the bigger operators to the way that they discriminate between operators exclusion of others. So far as I and members in various parts of tlre State. of the Q.L.P. are concerned, the border­ hopper has to be dealt with in accordance I assume it is within the knowledge of the with the law. Let it not be forgotten that Minister that certain of these companies have the Q.L.P. moved a certain amendment either had their licences extended into other regarding taxation proposals put forward by areas of the State or have been issued with the Government which would indicate tlrat permits to engage in hauling business over we were not prepared to give the illegal long distances in Queensland. borderhopper any consideration. I have been told again that either a per­ The summons issued against Crisp, an mit or a licence has been granted to operator at Stanthorpe, two years ago, has Cobb & Co. to carry goods as far as been continually adjourned. In recent weeks Theodore, from Dalby to Theodore, or the it was further adjourned. This is hard to original destination set out in the licence. understand. When a case is brought before That in itself is a complete departure from the court it should be concluded. I do not one of the fundamental principles of the know whether the case hinges around any Transport Facilities Act, that the depart­ High Court determination. Perhaps tlre ment is obliged in all honesty to call tenders matter was determined by the more recent for these routes or a new franchise. Every­ High Court decision, but cases of this nature one would know that Cobb & Co. and should be dealt with. From the public's Western Transport and Western Interstate point of view these are serious allegations. would be rolling in money, and should be I asked the Premier a question this morn­ able to reduce the charges already being ing and he admitted in his reply to me made, but now it is alleged that they have that he had got a letter containing allegations been given some preferential treatment, in concerning police officers. I am in entire a bargain made by the Minister that if they agreement that the persons making the discontinued their borderhopping or alleged charges should be made to stand up to borderhopping lre was prepared to give them tlrem and I suggest that the only way this can some favourable consideration regarding be done is by the appointment of a com­ these permits or licences. mission of inquiry, whether the Premier Those are the statements made, and those likes to call it a Royal Commission or any are the matters the Government and the other form of inquiry. It does not matter Minister should have a chance to reply to about the name so long as there is scope and be quite open about. To show there to call witnesses and have them examined to is evidence of it, I have here dockets that the fullest extent. Questioning on the part have been issued-two of them-by Cobb & of the police means that the man concerned Co. which indicate that they took delivery of will be advised by his solicitor to take a certain goods on a certain date. Payments certain course of action. Obviously he will have been made. not give information in the manner he should give it as obviously the legal advice I do not know whether these documents will be not to do so until there is an open have been brought before the notice of the inquiry. Minister. The relevant numbers on the Government Members: Olr! dockets are-in the case of Cobb & Co., 8808 and 7611. There is also one from Mr. WALSH: I think the Premier will Brown's Transport Pty. numbered 3145. Can agree that that has been done. I can recall the Minister or the Government justify a an occasion when the Minister for Develop­ position where they are handling this border­ ment, Mines, and Main Roads made certain hopping situation in such a way as to favour charges in this House based on Press the bigger operators to the detriment of some reports. of the smaller operators or those who want (Time expired). to engage in transport? When I said that Cobb & Co. would probably be rolling in Hon. W. POWER (Baroona) (11.49 a.m.): money, I meant that they are only rolling I second the motion for the adjournment of in money because of the application of the the House, but I make it quite clear that I law as it stands, because they have had to have no interest in any of the hauliers, in 2246 Motion for Adjournment [ASSEMBLY) Motion for Adjournment any way. The charges made and the letter Premier has admitted receiving are far too received by the Premier are far too serious serious to be brushed lightly aside. It to be brushed aside. says- Mr. Nicklin: They are not going to be "Far more serious and more concrete brushed aside. Don't worry about that! instances of discrimination have now been drawn to our attention by our client. On Mr. POWER: Charges have been made 25 February, in the presence of reputable against members of the Police Force-l am persons here in Brisbane, Mr. Harris was not saying they are true-and in fairness told by a fellow operator that there was to them the whole matter should be cleared corruption amongst the State Transport up by the appointment of a Royal police and that nine of the police were Commission. It is all very well for the actually being paid sums of money by Government to say that the matter has been him." referred to the Commissioner of Police. Does that not warrant immediate investi· He has no authority to inquire into many gation, not by the Police Department, but matters that can be investigated only by a by a Royal Commission? The members of Royal Commission. The Premier can get the Police Force against whom the allegations advice from officers of the Justice Depart­ are made should be given the opportunity ment on the questions that can be directed of appearing before a Royal Commission to any one person, and whether he can be and being represented by counsel. If the compelled to answer them. If a Royal allegations are found to be untrue, action Commission is granted, the people who should then be taken against those who made make the allegations against members of them. We have the further statement- the Police Force can be compelled to answer questions and stand up to their replies. If "The same operator then told our client they are questioned by a policeman, they that he was given advance information can refuse to answer. of a sort of roster system indicating where and at what times the police would be The question on this matter directed by operating for that week and that on other the hon. member for Bundaberg to the occasions, in exchange for the payment Premier this morning reads- of £5 by him, individual reports of breaches "Has he received a letter from the were destroyed by departmental officers Queensland Road Hauliers' Association in in his presence." which it is claimed, inter alia, that (a) some licensed companies have been given Surely to goodness he can be brought before immunity from prosecution by the depart­ a Royal Commission to give that evidence, ment for border-hopping offences?" power being vested in the Royal Commission to deal with him if he does not give it ! How could a matter such as that be dealt As it is, the whole matter can be white­ with by the Police Department? Questions washed if he says he is not prepared to relating to an allegation like that could be answer any questions asked by a member answered only by the appointment of a of the Police Force. The letter continues- Royal Commission. The general public are "The same man further told our client entitled to know whether there has been that other hauliers were operating under some discrimination. the same system." The question asked by the hon. member I do not say that the allegations are true; for Bundaberg continued- I have no knowledge of that. I should hate "(b) evidence was given by a State to think that a member of the Queensland transport policeman in a court case at Police Force would be a party to any such Toowoomba on 18 January last, in which act. I know some members of the State he admitted he had exercised discrimi­ transport police and I have always found natory treatment favouring licensed them to be honest. If allegations are made operators and on occasions had booked against them they should be given an oppor­ all three licensed Toowoomba companies tunity to go before a public inquiry and for breaches." be represented by a legal man so that those allegations can be proved or disproved. The Whv should these matters be referred to Government should have nothing to hide in the · Police Department for investigation? the matter and if they have not why are Under the Police Rules, a policeman can they trying to shelve it by saying it is one refuse to answer any question directed to for the Police Department? It is far too him. However, if the terms of reference of serious in the eyes of the general public. a Royal Commission are made wide enough, I agree with the Deputy Leader of the it can compel witnesses to appear before Queensland Labour Party that, where these it and answer questions. I am not saying practices can be stamped out if they that the allegations are true, but I want do exist, action must be taken to do the fullest possible investigation so that it. Allegations have been made to the general public will be made aware of a reputable firm of solicitors by a the truth. man who says he is prepared to give the Time does not permit me to develop my evidence on oath. Why not throw the argument as fully as I should like, but the matter open before a Royal Commission? allegations contained in the letter that the The Government should seize the opportunity Motion for Adjournment [3 MARCH] Motion for Adjournment 2247 to have a full and thorough investigation First of all, let us look at the bona fides into the matters raised in the motion. In of the hon. member for Bundaberg. As we fairness to those against whom allegations know this is the last day of the present ses­ have been made they should be brought sion of Parliament. In his opening remarks before a Royal Commission where they can the hon. member said that he knew of all be given the opportunity to reply to these these things on which he based his case on allegations and put their accuser under cross­ 23 January last. If he knew these things examination by their legal representatives. why did he wait until the last morning of Today the general public are very much con­ this Parliament? cerned about what is taking place. Mr. WALSH: I rise to a point of order. There is an allegation of favouritism The Premier is misrepresenting what I said. against certain road hauliers. That, too, I said that I made a statement on 22 January. must be examined. I had no knowledge of what was in the letters The hon. member for Bundaberg has he received. documentary evidence, which he read here today. Mr. NICKLIN: The hon. member has been in conference with some other gentle­ Mr. Evans: He has always got his dossiers men concerned particularly with the Road in his inside coat pocket. Hauliers Association. No doubt this is a plain Mr. POWER: That might be so, but I have political stunt by the hon. member in an seen the documentary evidence and he will endeavour to embarrass the Government. So be prepared to make it available. A copy much for the bona fides of the hon. member of it must be in the office of the State for Bundaberg! Transport Department and the file can be Let us look at the bona fides of the inform­ put before the Royal Commission. ant on whose information the hon. member Mr. Morris: You have seen the documen­ based Question No. 16. Apparently his tary evidence? informant who gave him the letter was Mr. Overlack. Mr. Walsh: The Premier has got it, yes. Mr. Walsh: No. Mr. Morris: Yet you said a moment ago that you did not know anything about the Mr. NICKLIN: Mr. Overlack is Secretary truth of it. of the Road Hauliers Association. Mr. POWER: I said I had seen the docu­ :Mr. Walsh: Mr. Overlack did not give mentary evidence of some of the things that me the letter. it was alleged had happened. I am not subject to examination by the Minister in Mr. NICKLIN: The Road Hauliers charge of the Police Department: but allega­ Association requested an interview with the tions have been made and it is the bounden Minister for Transport and me to place their duty of the Government, in the interests of case before us with a view to having the the general public, to see that the matter is various points that they considered were dis­ fully investigated. advantageous to their members, placed before Cabinet for consideration. We met the Hon. G. F. R. NICKLIN (Landsborough­ hauliers and the letter the hon. member has Premier) (12 noon): I must admit that I am quoted from W_i!S submitted to Mr. Chalk and very disappointed and rather disturbed at me as a portion of the case of the deputa­ the weakness of the case put up by the hon. tionists. We handled the deputationists courte­ member for Bundaberg and the hon. member ously; we were thanked by them for the way for Baroona in advocating a Royal Commis­ in which we received their representations. sion. One would have expected, when We promised to investigate all their repre· responsible gentlemen such as they should sentations and at the present time a Cabinet be, being ex-Ministers of the Crown, took submission on the subject of their representa­ action such as they have taken this mornnig, tions is in course of preparation. In view that at least they would have supported of the action of the gentlemen concerned their case for a Royal Commission with when, for some ulterior motive or other they concrete evidence. gave the hon. member for Bundaberg a copy of the evidence that they presented in sup­ Mr. NICKLIN: They made out no real port of their case to me, I question whether case that what they stated was true. In view I would be justified in treating their repre­ of the circumstances associated with the mov­ sentations seriously and responsibly. In giv­ ing of the motion and the statements by both ing this information to the hon. member they hon. members in support of it I doubt very have taken the opportunity to make it a much, firstly, the bona fides of the hon. mem­ political issue, and whether their representa­ bers, secondly, the bona fides of the informant tions should be considered any further is a on whose information the hon. member for matter to which I must give very serious Bundaberg based his Question No. 16 on the consideration. There is the matter of bona business sheet this morning, and thirdly, I fides in the method of distributing the letter gravely question the bona fides of the methods which has been quoted here this morning and adopted by the solicitors concerned in the dis­ which was the subject of a question without tribution of the letter under discussion. notice. That letter contains very serious 2248 Motion for Adjournment [ASSEMBLY] Motion for Adjournment

allegations-very serious indeed, allegations debate on Royal Commissions following a that will be investigated to the full immedi­ statement by Mr. Holmes, Q.C., in 1955- ately. "The view I wish to put to you is that Government Members: Hear, hear! there are proper cases for the appointment of such Commissioners, but the power Mr. NICKLIN: The statements in that should be used sparingly. It should always letter will have to be proved and the person be used to enquire into matters that are who made them will be given the fullest of true public concern and that involve opportunity to prove them. If the firm of more than the question of whether or not solicitors and the client of this firm of solici­ a particular person has committed a parti­ tors were approaching this question purely cular crime. They should certainly not be with the idea of getting these things thor­ used as alternatives to criminal proceed­ oughly investigated, not with the idea of ings." making them a political issue, would they have endeavoured to deliver this letter to We do not intend to use a Royal Commis­ myself, to whom the letter was addressed, sion as an alternative to criminal proceed­ after office hours-when both my office and ings, and, if the allegations made in the Parliament House was closed? I -understand letter received this morning against mem­ that a representative of the firm came to bers of the Police Force can be proved, suit­ Parliament House last night at 8 o'clock able action will be taken by the Govern­ looking for me to deliver this letter to me. ment. But if those charges are proved not And roay I mention, Mr. Speaker, that in to be correct, we will also consider suit.able addition to giving this letter to me, they action against the person making them. Hon. also, for some strange reason, gave a letter members can rest assured that the Govern­ to the hon. member for Bundaberg. Do you ment are going to probe these allegations wonder, Mr. Speaker, why I question the to the bottom, serious allegations as they are, bona fides of the methods being adopted or.. against an honourable and responsible body behalf of the client of this firm of solici­ of men, the Queensland Police Force. No tors. If this thing was so vital-mind you. effort will be spared by the Government to the information is very vital-they should probe these allegations to the limit, and the have got it to me before this House finished gentleman who has made them will be given last night. And they should have given it to every opportunity. me as the head of the Government to have These are the first definite allegations on these things investigated without, at the same alleged corruption that have come into our time, distributing copies all over the place hands, and we are going to take suitable to other parties who had no power whatso­ action to see that they are appropriately dealt ever to order the inquiry that they desired with. That is the way to deal with them­ into these allegations. At least I myself not by the appointment of a Royal Commis­ as head of the Government should have been sion. I repeat that if they are found to be given the opportunity to investigate these correct suitable action will be taken by the very serious allegations before they distri­ Government, as the mover of the motion buted this letter far and wide, if those persons can be assured. were really genuine in their desire to have these things investigated. I doubt-and I On what has been said, there is no justifi­ think I have every reason to do so-their cation whatever for the appointment of a bona fides when one looks at the manner Royal Commission. I repeat that the alle­ in which this thing has been handled. As gations in this letter will be investigated­ hon. members know-particularly the hon. indeed, action has already been taken to member for Bundaberg, who has been Minis­ deal with them and to prove whether they ter for Transport-there have been tremen­ are correct or not. dous difficulties in regard to the implemen­ tation of the Transport Facilities Act invol­ Hon. P. J. R. HILTON (Carnarvon) (12.13 ving very many legal cases and appeals to p.m.): I support the motion, for the basic superior courts and the High Court. The reason that hon. members of Parliament have hon. member for Bundaberg knows only too many duties to perform in the public inter­ well, not only his own Government, but est. It has been revealed time and time again not only in this, but also in other Parlia­ also the present Government have been ments in the British Commonwealth that, seriously handicapped indeed by the fact that when a matter of great public interest is they have not been able to implement the given emphasis in the Press and by respon­ Transport Facilities Act in the way they sible people, a member of Parliament must desired because of the legal difficulties use every opportunity available to him to encountered. That is the reason for the focus the attention of the Government on large number of adjournments in the courts, such matters, to ensure as far as possible as the hon. member well knows, yet he that they are sifted until the position is raises the matter as a reason for a Royal clarified. Commission. Royal Commissions should not The point registered in my mind when the be appointed lightly. To substantiate my Premier was replying that he intended to statement I refer hon. members to the follow­ appoint the Commissioner of Police virtu­ ing statement by Mr. Menzies, now a mem­ ally to act as a Royal Commissioner or as ber of the Commonwealth High Court, in a a board of inquiry. That is all very well Motion for Adjournment [3 MARCH] Motion for Adjournment 2249 up to a point, but my view is that, if people and knowing what occurred in this Parlia­ make serious allegations, they should be ment and other Parliaments I say that I asked to substantiate them on oath. think the situation has reached a stage whereby the public should be reassured on Mr. Nicklin: They will be. these matters and an inquiry held to let the Mr. HILTON: A police inquiry does not facts be known. If people have made false put them in that position, and I challenge allegations, let them be put on oath and the Premier on that point. Furthermore, take the penalty due to them for making such we have witnessed the extraordinary spectacle allegations. Nobody can quibble against that. in recent times of two prominent legal firms A police inquiry, no matter how efficiently making certain statements in respect of this conducted, cannot meet this situation. Let public matter. We have had the spectacle them be put on oath and suffer the penalties of a prominent barrister withdrawing from which would be their just due if they appeared a brief entrusted to him. These are very as perjurers and men who set themselves unusual things. The unusual and unhealthy out to defame responsible public servants. atmosphere created should be clarified as That is my attitude, and I think it is reason­ soon as possible and by the most effective able. It is one that has been adopted by means possible. I do not substantiate the past Labour Governments. The Press is charges, one way or the other. I say that the only medium by which public opinion because all the evidence has not been placed can be kept informed, and recent Press com­ before me. ments have been such as to call for a searching inquiry into all the allegations that Mr. Chalk: You know nothing-that is have been made. your argument? Mr. Muller: Do you suggest that what they Mr. HILTON: Let me finish. I am not in are doing is morally right? a position to substantiate the charges because all the evidence is not available to me to Mr. HILTON: I have already said that if enable me to give a considered opinion. a ma·n is operating under the provisions of Section 92 of the Commonwealth Constitu­ :Mr. Morris: Your colleague has seen it. tion and is observing all the requirements associated therewith, he is carrying on a per­ Mr. HILTON: He has received a letter. fectly legal business. Whether we like it or !VIr. Morris: He said he saw the evidence. not, we must accept it. If his business is legal he should be allowed to conduct it with­ Mr. SPEAKER: Order! out interference. If it is not, let him suffer Mr. HILTON: I make the point that for all the penalties that the law prescribes. months and months not only Harris, but Dr. Noble: You could not stop him if it other men, have been making these allega­ was legal. tions; I am sick and tired of hearing them and would welcome an inquiry to clear the Mr. HILTON: That is the point I am atmosphere. We have had allegations that making. Allegations have been made that licensed carriers have been deliberately break­ certain men who are operating legally are ing the law for a number of years. There are being unduly persecuted. allegations that border-hoppers, as they are Mr. Hiley: If they are operating legally, called, have been discriminated against. how could anyone persecute them? Under the provisions of Section 92 of the Commonwealth Constitution, provided these Mr. HILTON: Surely the Treasurer is people carry out certain requirements, they not so naive that he thinks it could not be are operating a perfectly legal business. Sec­ done? That is why I want a Royal Com­ tion 92 has been brought into play when mission. I am sure that reputable citizens there are grave matters under consideration. would be prepared to come forward and I am not arguing for the border-hoppers, but give evidence. whether we like it or not, we have to accept Dr. Noble: How could it be done? the legal position presented to us by decisions of the High Court and the Privy Council. Mr. HILTON: Of course it could be done. If these men are operating a legitimate bus­ If, in the performance of their duties, trans­ iness, it is highly reprehensible that they port police are directed to do certain things should be persecuted. I see the hon. mem­ of course it can be done. That line of argu~ ber for Mt. Gravatt, Q.C. an eminent lawyer, ment does not go down with me. Of course looking at me intently. He has argued the it could be done. merits of Section 92 and knows that what Dr. Noble: It could not. I am saying is correct. If they observe cer­ tain requirements their business is legal. Mr. HILTON: I suggest that the Minister Because they are carrying on what they con­ for Health and Home Affairs confer with his sider to be a legal business, allegations are colleague, the Minister for Transport, and made that certain officers of the Transport get some enlightenment on the matter. Department are persecuting them. I have I rose to speak as a public man; I am heard it time and time again. I repeat, I really concerned about all the allegations that am not taking sides one way or the other. have been made. I am not supporting them, As a public man with a sense of responsibility but I want a searching inquiry into them. 2250 Motion for AdJournment [ASSEMBLY] Motion for Adjournment

If men are operating legally, they should that were made over a week ago though it be allowed to carry on their business under was only this morning that I had any know­ the law of the land. Those who are making ledge of them. The allegations were made the allegations should be put on oath and by people in such a position that one could made to suffer the penalty if their allegations be excused for expecting them to be above are held to be without foundation. Obviously reproach. Though the allegations were made a police inquiry could not be searching a week and more ago it was only this morn­ enough. ing that my Leader and I, as the Minister I regret very much that the Premier has in charge of police, were given the faintest not acceded to the request of my Deputy inkling of them. Why the delay? It was Leader for the appointment of a Royal Com­ probably to prevent our getting the evidence mission. Believe me, this matter will not we need, because hon. members opposite conclude at the end of this debate. There know as well as you know, Mr. Speaker, and is so much agitation in the interests of jus­ as well as I do, that a week's delay in a tice that the demands for a Royal Commis­ case like this makes it more difficullt to get sion will continue until they are acceded to. evidence; but we will get it; make no mistake about that. Hon. K. J. MORRIS (Mt. Coot-tha­ Another serious aspect of the charges is Minister for Labour and Industry) (12.24 p.m.): Two matters have been raised in the that both the hon. member for Bundaberg motion. The first relates to transport and the and the hon. member for Baroona want to other is an allegation against certain police dictate to the Premier and to the Govern­ ment the method of the investigation. Why! officers. Most of the debate has been centred Is it because they are afraid that they will on the subject of police officers, from which be called to give evidence? I very much sus­ I assume two things: firstly, that the sup­ pect that it is. I remind you that the hon. porters of the motion have no real argument on the subject of transport and, secondly, that member for Bundaberg said that, unless the they are trying to build up a very queer inquiry into the matter is of the type he believes in, he will give advice to the com­ argument revolving round the Police Force. plainants not to produce evidence. Is that Naturally, as Minister in charge of the Police the right action for an hon. member of this Department, it is my duty to take part in the House? debate. In all countries, police officers have the Mr. WALSH: I rise to a point of order. responsibility of ensuring that the laws-many The Minister for Labour and Industry I of which are unpopular with certain sections would say, is uttering a deliberate falseho'od of the community, particularly the law­ Mr. SPEAKER: Order! breakers-are obeyed. It is common know­ ledge that in all countries police officers, Mr. WALSH: What I did say was the man because they do their duty, are shot at and concerned will be advised by his solicitor much effort is made to suggest that there to take a certain course of action. is, in certain cases, something wrong with their actions. It is always a great problem Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The hon., the because often charges are made against one Minister for Labour and Industry. police officer or another by people with com­ pletely unreliable backgrounds, people we Mr. MORRIS: I move on. There was an know of very well; but, invariably, even if attempt by both those hon. members to we know that the accuser is a crank or an allege that they knew nothing of the state­ untruthful person, whatever the situation, ments until one of them made a slip which never during the administration of the Police I shall demonstrate in a few moments. It is Department in our period of office has any a deliberate attempt to befoul a body of allegation, however simple, however silly, men for the basest of reasons-for political however unbelievable, failed to be investi­ advantage to a few people on the other side ~ated. The results have led me more and of the House. The hon. member for Baroona more to realise how right we are in being said he had seen certain documentary evid­ proud of the Police Force. Notwithstanding ence. Again I say, "Why is it that this Dur justifiable pride and confidence in them, charge did not come to me as Minister in we recognise that, whether it is a body of charge of police, in the days that have gone policemen or of clerics or people in any other by?" category, it is possible on occasion to gei a bad potato in the bag. For that reason, Mr. POWER: I rise to a point of order. whenever a charge is made, whether it sounds sensible or not, it is investigated to the abso­ Mr. MORRIS: Oh yes, use up all my lute limit. We are jealous of the high time! reputation of the Police Force. I challenge Mr. POWER: The Deputy Premier is mis­ any citizen of Queensland to point to one leading the House. · My statement was that allegation that has been made against any I had seen certain papers. The papers I member of the Force that has not been had seen included the letter that was for­ investigated. warded to the hon. member for Bundaberg; Having dealt with the general I now turn the others were the papers which were !o the particular to deal with certain allega­ taken down by the Minister for Trans­ tions, and, mark you, they are allegations port-- Motion for Adjouf'nment [3 MARCH] Motion for Adjournment 2251

:Mr. MORRIS: This is another speech. I because of his capacity to progressively and strongly object. The hon. member is trying consistently smear the characters and repu­ to use up all my time. tations of many people. Senator McCarthy Mr. Power: You should stick to the truth. grew up to exercise tremendous power and authority in the United States of America. :Mr. MORRIS: These people who try to Indeed many people feared his power had befoul a great body of men will get their become so extensive that it laid the founda­ opportunity to give their evidence on oath. tion for an alternative form of Government. That man's reputation fell to the ground :Mr. POWER: I rise to a point of order. when he was exposed for interfering with Standing Orders provide that if an hon. the proper liberties of the people. Irrespec­ member rises in his place and denies a state­ tive of whether we are Labour, Liberal or ment made by_anybody else that that person Country Party we should do all we can to must accept the denial and accept the state­ uphold the reputation of Parliament-the ment made by the hon. member rising. I probity and integrity of Parliament and ask that the Deputy Premier accept my members of the Public Service. That is the statement. foundation on which the democratic system Mr. SPEAKER: He has automatically rests. We should have an incorruptible done so. Public Service, and men in public life should be men of honour and integrity. Mr. MORRIS: I move on and remind the I could differ from the Minister in regard House that a man called Overlack admitted to the administration of his portfolio but quite openly in the Press-and many of I shall not waste time this morning with us heard on T.V.-that many previous that. I have no general views to advance this attempts were designed as a subterfuge to morning on the administration. I suppose get publicity. This is another example. He there was no more vociferous critic of the is using a further instrument to get more administration of the department than the base and untrue publicity. This is typical present Minister. I can go back 10 years and of the technique we have seen used by these I do not recall at any stage when there speakers on previous occasions. was so much public disquiet on the adminis­ We have been in office for three years. t.ration of transport, nor has there been a Today is the last day of this Parliament. demand for a Royal Commission, as was There has not been a charge made against advanced in various quarters in recent times. the police officers until the last day. Is I do not suggest there is warrant for the that not in itself significant? Although we establishment of a Royal Commission. If fight with members of the Australian Labour we are to preserve the structure of Parlia­ Party quite frequently, I draw attention to ment it is essential that we must see to it the fact that none of them has sunk to the that there is more than a smear suggestion depths of coming in on this wretched attack. before we set in process a power to investi­ While I oppose them politically, I say that gate people's reputations. The Premier very they would not befoul themselves in this properly quoted Mr. Menzies, a man whom manner. I recommended to defend this State against We will not be panicked into adopting the High Court. If these people are prepared their methods in this inquiry. They can to make statutory declarations why not give rest assured that it will be not only a full it today instead of tomorrow. If somebody and searching inquiry but also those hon. makes a statutory declaration that there have members concerned will be required to give been happenings of a corrupt nature, I see evidence on oath. Then we will know no reason why action should not be taken whether they are low political humbugs or to move in the direction sought by the hon. have been making fair statements. I have member for Bundaberg. several other points to make. :Mr. Hart: Do you not think it depends (Time expired.) on the character of the person. Mr. DUGGAN (North Toowoomba­ :Mr. DUGGAN: That is an important Leader of the Opposition) (12.34 p.m.): The element. Opposition propose to support the motion :Mr. Hiley: They will have an opportunity for the adjournment but for reasons different to make a statutory declaration now. from those advanced by the mover and seconder. I have made the point in the Mr. DUGGAN: That has been declared by chamber on many occasions, but as recently the Premier. I indicate that I did not receive as last session I was rebuked by the a copy of the letter that was sent to the Treasurer for protesting, in his view, Premier. I should say normally one would too strongly about the growing tendency expect the Leader of the Opposition to be in Australia, to smear the character and the repository for any positive action against reputation of many people throughout th~ the Government in view of his office and the community. Fortunately that tendency numbers he can command. Some of these seems to have been checked. We know men associated with the hauliers' association what happened in America with what is -I do not condemn them-through their known as "McCarthyism." One man has spokesmen have publicly said that the been able to exercise tremendous influence Queensland Labour Party will be a spent 2252 Motion for Adjournment [ASSEMBLY] Motion for Adjournment

force after the election-that it will be lucky Before I vacated office, and as a member to have four members here. If Parliament of the Transport Advisory Council, I is to be invoked to correct a public evil secured the support of all State Transport one would have thought, irrespective of Ministers except Sir Arthur Warner for my leadership, that the approach would have suggestion that we submit to our respective been made to the official Opposition. The Premiers a submission that there should be reason I associate the Opposition with the some common approacl:r by way of motion is not that I think tl:re Premier has referendum to the Australian people to failed to establish his case-and I want him clothe the Federal Parliament with specific to record this very strongly in his mind­ power to deal with the problem of border­ but because of the general atmosphere of hoppers. Sir Arthur Warner was in agree­ smearing that has been going on for some ment, but said it was difficult in his view time and which was employed inferentially to frame amendments that would not create yesterday in the question directed t? the certain other difficulties. The other Ministers Premier wl:rich contained the followmg:- were prepared to support my motion, but, as "Has it been conveyed to him, from any we had agreed that there should be source that similar discriminatory treat­ unanimity of opinion, the proposal was ment 'was exercised during the previous abandoned. I mention that to refute the sug­ Government's period of office? If so, gestion made recently, as recently as yester­ and a Royal Commission is appointed, day, by the hon. member for Munding­ will he extend the terms of reference to burra, that I am a friend of the road enable the Commission to inquire into hauliers. the previous Government's administration We laid down a policy from 1947 to of the Transport Act?" 1957 for a balanced transport economy in this State. We considered the element of I told my colleagues this morning, railway finance and the security of employ­ immediately I became aware of this action ment of 27,000 railway employees, but we that, as a previous occupant of that office, did agree to road transport, provided the I was prepared to go before any Royal operators were prepared to make a reason­ Commission to have an examination of my able contribution to what we considered to conduct in my capacity as Minister for Trans­ be a balanced transport economy. We were port. That is why I support the motion. prepared to give some amelioration or relief I may have made many wrong decisions. to those people who felt it should be utilised. I am not denying that. I may have made In this age I think there is need for all decisions that were in conflict with tl:re these services. No-one could say, because views of the present Minister for Transport it may affect the revenue of the Railway or th<; views of the Government, but I Department or road hauliers, that air trans­ challeuge anyone to prove against me, in the port sl:rould be prohibited in the State or conduut of my public life, any improper Commonwealth. In the same way we could action at any time. It is for that reason not say that road transport people should my colleagues join with me in saying that we be thrust out of existence merely because do no\: want to find ourselves in the position of the effect on railway revenue. We had where subsequently people will go outside to devise ways and means of making the this Chamber and say that on 3 March, services complementary, bearing in mind our 1960, there was placed on the resolution capacity to finance various operations. paper of the Parliament a demand for a Royal Commission which included a review I think I have made it abundantly clear of tlre operations of the previous Minister that the Opposition at all times is anxious in the office, and we voted against it because to preserve the integrity of members of we haJ something to hide. That is why we Parliament and the incorruptibility of public support the motion, although we do not agree servants, but the damage has been done by that Oil the evidence submitted, the appoint­ the circulation of this letter and th'e smear ment of a Royal Commission would be contained in the question asked this morn­ justified. ing in this House. It is useless to say later, "In fairness to those people they should I h~;ve nothing to hide. In regard to the be given the opportunity to reply." The statement about the interstate hauliers, even damage is then done. I want to clear up any the minister cannot deny that I introduced an suggestions that we want to hide anything Act to deal with the problem of interstate or protect malpractice in high or low places. hauliers following a Privy Council decision For those reasons only we intend to support in 1954. the motion. Mr. Chalk: Quite true. Mr. AIKENS (Mundingburra) (12.44 p.m.): The genesis of the motion before the House Mr. DUGGAN: It was found that that is tl:rat the Government should appoint a law was not sufficiently valid to stand up Royal Commission or some other competent to the High Court's determination, and in board of inquiry, to inquire into the alle­ 1955 r brought in another amendment to gations of malpractice in the Transport try and repair the position. Department. Mr. Nicklin: Supported by the Opposition. The hon. member for Bundaberg who introduced the motion, supported by the hon. Mr. DUGGAN: That is true. member for Baroona, gave what he con- Motion for Adjournment [3 MARCH] Motion for Adjournment 2253 sidered to be reasonable grounds for the if he will particularise the corruption, I will appointment of a Royal Commission. We be with him to the limit in demanding a have just heard a speech by the Leader of Royal Commission. It is interesting to the Opposition. To me it was a remarkable remember that on one or two occasions in one. To wrap it up in a few words, he this House in the past I produced specific said, "We do not believe that a Royal evidence and made specific charges and asked Commission should be appointed to inquire for a Royal Commission on certain matters. into the ramifications of tlre Transport I was told that I had to make this infor­ Department as it is operated today, but we mation available to the police so that the do believe that we should vote for this police, through their law officers, could inves­ resolution because no-one then will be able tigate the charges before the Government to say later that Jack Duggan and his would take action. It was said that the Gov­ Australian Labour Party were not game to ernment would not waste public money on vote for it." a fishing expedition. I believe that this is a I want to say that-- fishing expedition. What is behind it? What is the cause of it? Again, I am not referring Mr. Davies: Said by people like you. to the integrity of the hon. member for Mr. AIKENS: If the hon. member wants to Bundaberg. Who are behind the people writ­ take me on-the political parrot from Mary­ ing these letters? The border-hoppers, men borough who made the interjection-it will like Overlack who proudly and courageously be the sorriest day he has ever experienced went into prison the other day rather than since entering this House. pay his fine, hoping that he would be elevated Let us be honest with ourselves. I have to public martyrdom in this State. been in this House a long while and if I may Mr. Morris: And had a heart attack. be permitted to use the vernacular, I have Mr. AIKENS: A heart attack, or house­ tipped the nn a lot of times, and I will con­ maid's knee, or warts on the quartz. Within tinue to tip the tin if I think it is in the a couple of days he sent an urgent appeal interests of the public. If I have got a tin to his mates to release him from durance vile. to tip, I tip it. I tip the tin, the horse, the harness and the whole lot. I do not come An Honourable Member: They told him here with any sophistry or casuistry and say to go to work. that it has come to my notice that certain Mr. AIKENS: They should have given him things have happened or that I have been a No. 9. Anybody who has been in the given to understand certain things are going Army knows what a No. 9 is. When he on or that I have been informed by certain failed to hit the headlines and have himself reputable people that such-and-such a prac­ paraded as Saint Overlack he realised what tice is taking place. I do not question the a damp squib as a martyr he was and he slunk sincerity of the hon. member for Bunda­ out of prison with a heart attack or a bad berg but if he had come into this House and attack of housemaid's knee. said, "I charge traffic policeman so-and-so with accepting a bribe on such-and-such a Harris was mentioned, and he was the date from such-and-such a person and I same man of whom I asked a question in charge traffic policeman so-and-so that on this House a couple of years ago. He was such-and-such a day he received a bribe from the bright bird who went to North Queens­ so-and-so, and I charge the Minister for land with a load of wool. He was going to Transport with abusing or prostituting take the wool, without a licence or a permit, his Ministerial powers inasmuch as he from a place near Muttaburra to Townsville. granted a particular concession to one His truck broke down in a creek between particular company and refused the same Hughenden and Charters Towers-! think it concession to another company" I would was either Torrens Creek or Cape River­ have said that the hon. member for Bunda­ and he told all sorts of lies and put up all berg came into the House with specific sorts of arguments to shield himself from charges very horribly true or damnably false. the prosecution that he knew would certainly On the basis of those specific charges this follow as soon as I got hold of it. I asked Parliament must act. the Minister a question in the House about it, and Harris was subsequently brought before An Opposition Member: Did he have the the court. names of the police? These people were running round thumb­ Mr. AIKENS: He did not have the names ing their noses at the Government. They of the police or the dates. He was acting were told by some bush barristers that they on information supplied to him, secondhand were acting within the provisions of Section information or third hand information. But, 92 of the Commonwealth Constitution, and he may be acting in all good faith but that that they could bring a load of wool or is not good enough for me. If anybody will produce to Brisbane from any part of the lay a specific charge of corruption against country if they went to Tweed Heads and any member of the Public Service. whether a then came back. Of course, if a traffic policeman or a traffic policeman or a mem­ policeman was not following them they ber of Parliament, or lay a specific charge would not even bother to go to Tweed Heads. against the Minister for Transport or any They would merely claim that they had gone Minister sitting on the front benches, and there and come back to Brisbane. They 2254 Motion for Adjournment [ASSEMBLY] Motion for Adjournment would say, "We are operating under Section preserve the integrity of the State, but it is 92 of the Commonwealth Constitution and not right to set one up every time someone you can't touch us. You can go jump in makes a charge. the lake." What is the position in this matter? It Finally. the matter came before the High has now been shown that Mr. Harris, Mr. Court for consideration and, by a unani­ Overlack, and the other gentlemen who are mous judgment, it ruled that these hauliers crossing the border and returning to Bris­ were not protected by Section 92 of the bane and claiming the protection of Section Commonwealth Constitution and that, in 92 of the Commonwealth Constitution have effect, they were acting unlawfully. Then been breaking the law. They took a chance. the hauliers squealed for mercy! Let us As a matter of common sense, what Harris suppose that the High Court judgment had was doing would not seem to have had the been in their favour; today they would protection of Section 92 of the Common­ have been running round hurling abuse at wealth Constitution; but he took a chance the Transport Minister and the Government, and he was proved wrong. He is now up and everybody else. They would be saying, before the court and numerous charges have "You mugs can't touch us." They would been preferred against him and are being have been as happy as Larry, with their preferred against him. Mr. Overlack, too, thumbs to their noses and, if possible, bor­ has been charged before the court and con­ rowing a couple of extra hands to do it. How­ victed. These gentlemen do not like being ever, now that their operations have been held charged-nobody does-so they begin to by the High Comt to be illegal, they are complain and to complain very loudly, and cringing and squealing for mercy. I hope they cry out for a Royal Commission. Mr. that the Minister for Transport prosecutes Harris even brings very grave charges them to the full limit of the law for every against the police. breach. To use the vernacular once again, if he does not I will be up him like a rat Mr. Morris: Not in particular. up a rope. I adjure him to show them as Mr. HART: No, there is no particularity. little mercy as they would have shown him if the High Court's decision had gone the In at least half these cases that come before other way. the courts, somebody makes a charge against the police. Very often when a person is con­ Mr. Evans: They pleaded with the victed of an offence to which he pleads Government to call it a day. "Not guilty" he says, "I am not guilty and Mr. AIKENS: They did when they lost you are making up the evidence against the case. Their action reminded me of what me." He has to say that. happens in the fights behind "bush pubs" An Honourable Member: Sometimes he is that many of us have seen. One fellow will right. get the advantage temporarily, but as soon as he is knocked down he squeals out for Mr. HART: Sometimes he is right and his mates to stop the fight and save him sometimes he is wrong; more often he is f10m his just deserts. wrong. If a Royal Commission were to be I do not think we should have any sym­ appointed every time such an accusation was pathy for these people unless they are pre­ made, the public officers of the State-the pared to lay specific charges. I freely admit judges and others-would be doing nothing the possibility that we may have a bad apple else but presiding at Royal Commissions. To in the police barrel-I do not consider that justify the appointment of a Royal Commis­ every member of the Police Force is a sion something more is needed than a vague shrinking violet or a perfumed pansy-but charge by an accused person. What is the if a charge is laid, let it be definite and to charge on which the hon. member for the point so that we will have something to Bundaberg founds his case? work on. I do not propose to vote for the motion. It has not been put forward in such It is one of the most disgraceful things I a way as to merit my support. have ever seen that a motion of this nature should be moved before this House on such (Time expired.) evidence. As I see it this is the gravamen of the charge: Mr. HART (Mt. Gravatt) (12.54 p.m.): I think the real answer to the motion was "On 25 February, in the presence of given by the Leader of the Opposition when reputable persons in Brisbane, Mr. Harris he said that it was necessary to have more was told by a fellow operator that there than just a smear to appoint a Royal Com­ was corruption amongst the State trans­ mtsston. That has always been the view of port police and that nine of the police the legal profession. I think I heard Mr. were actually being paid sums of money Menzies make the remark quoted by the by him." Premier. It is a view with which the legal That is, Harris was told something by some­ profession of Australia is in general agree­ body not named. ment. Royal Commissions are very weighty weapons. I admit they are necessary to Mr. Aikens: About a policeman not named. Motion for Adjournment [3 MARCH] Motion for Adjournment 2255

Mr. HART: About a policeman not named same gentleman referred to the move by and on occasions not named. The infor­ which one of the best police officers in New mation goes on- South Wales was shifted, and those were the "The same operator then told our client tactics that it was proposed to adopt. that he was given advance information In a question asked in the House this morn­ of a sort of roster system indicating where ing by the hon. member for Bundaberg refer­ and at what times the police would be ence was made to a transport policeman being operating for that week and that on other "abusively drunk to a road haulier -in a public occasions, in exchange for the payment place." By whom was the allegation made? of £5 by him, individual reports of None other than a person named Tracey, a breaches were destroyed by departmental border-hopper and a man who was convicted officers in his presence." in the Ipswich court and fined for abusing There is a charge against departmental a policeman. That again gives hon. mem­ officers not named by persons not named. bers an insight into the calibre of the men Surely before appointing a Royal Commission associated with this matter. Let us follow something better than that is wanted! Any this pattern a little further. In a telephone Government that launched a Royal Commi~­ discussion between one Stubbs, a solicitor in sion on such evidence as that would be Brisbane, and the Transport Commissioner guilty of a grave dereliction of duty and of approximately a week ago-on 29 Febru­ improperly using the machinery of the State. ary at 3 p.m.-this is what the transcript says in relation to Mr. Stubbs:- Hon. G. W. W. CHALK (Lockyer-Minister "Mr. Stubbs said he thought that the for Transport) (2.15 p.m.): In the 2t years it Premier had referred only to a withdrawal has been my responsibility to administer the and I"- Department of Transport it has been my privilege and duty to interview many people that is, the Transport Commissioner­ who have come to see me about matters asso­ "pointed out that the Premier had said ciated with transport in Queensland. On the cases set down for the following weeks many occasions implications have been made would be proceeded with. Mr. Stubbs about certain actions by officers of the Depart­ said as long as it was understood the ment of Transport. On every occasion I cases were to go on the counsel defending have asked that charges be made in writing these cases were entitled to make their so that the matters could be thoroughly best possible case. He said under those investigated. But there always has been some circumstances no hold would be barred "ifs" or "buts" and consequently charges have and that the defending solicitor could not been laid. However, from time to time I say many things in court whi<;h he could have carried out certain investigations within not say outside as there was no action for my own department to ascertain whether libel regarding any matters he might say there perhaps could be some truth in some in court." of the things one might hear. Not on any That is the solicitor associated with Over­ occasion have I been able to find one iota lack. Th.at is the solicitor who came to see of truth in what has been alleged. me and the Premier on the list of cases Today a letter has been produced in the on. behalf of the Road Hauliers' Association. House by the hon. member for Bundaberg in Let us examine the letter presented on that which there are a number of implications. occasion. It says- It is true that the letter refers to nine police "We would like to put our viewpoint officers, but there is nothing specific in the to you personally and to your Transport letter. Consequently how can we possibly Minister. Could you advise us if it would accept it as being the basis for the appoint­ be possible to arrange this. I can assure ment of a Royal Commission? you that we do not intend to make any political capital out of this meeting, and I want to analyse very quickly a few of it will be conducted, as far as we are con­ the matters that have led up to the produc­ cerned, in terms of absolute sincerity." tion of this letter because I believe that the pattern was not designed yesterday but That was the approach of the Haulers' Asso­ several months ago. It is apparent that they ciation from Overlack. Here we have evi­ have waited until today, the last day of this dence that the whole of the nature of the Parliament, to attempt to explode the matter approach was put before the hon. member with the idea of making political capital out for Bundaberg. I ask hon. members to of it. examine the sincerity of those who are rais­ ing this matter. That is all the evidence Let me have a look firstly at what happened the department has. on 19 or 20 January. Constable Bradbury was told by Mr. Overlack, the gentleman who I want briefly to touch on one or two wrote the letter to the Premier asking for an other charges that have been made. I want interview, that his association, the Road to point out to the House that other points Hauliers' Association, would make as many have been examined either by the Transport complaints as possible against the best police Commissioner or myself to see if there was officers attached to the Department of Trans­ any basis of truth in the charges made. We port with the idea of getting them shifted. have been charged, according to the question We have that from the police officer. The asked this morning, with having issued cer- 2256 Motion for Adjournment [ASSEMBLY] Motion for Adjournment tain summonses. The charge was to the effect Question: "Which one?" that summonses were issued against certain Answer: "I have submitted Breach companies and were not proceeded with. reports against all three companies." The number mentioned was six. It is true there were six charges. One of them was Question: "Were any of them sum­ against Marylands and they were convicted. monsed?" Mr. Walsh: I did not say that. At that stage Mr. O'Connor, the barri~ter, interjected, and rightly so. I have now given Mr. CHALK: The hon. member said that hon. members the reason why some inter­ in his question this morning. Let us examine ceptions have not been proceeded with. Con­ the charges in relation to the other five sequently, I think that the reference to this cases. The other five charges were placed matter today has been made purely for the before the Crown Law Office. Summonses purposes of political propaganda. were issued but they have not been served, and for the reason advanced by the Crown (Time expired.) Law Office who advised me that in view of the circumstances that at this stage it would Mr. WALSH (Bundaberg) (2.26 p.m.), in be unwise to proceed. But We have pro­ reply: The defence by the Government is tected ourselves. We can proceed against more in the nature of an attack on the them if, after further interpretation of solicitors representing certain firms, the the Harris case we find that the Hauliers' Association and those who have breaches can be dealt with. There is seen fit to come into the public light, as nothing to hide. They were intercepted. The it were, and submit these things for public reports were placed in the Crown Law Office. examination. Summonses were issued to cover the time Before I deal with their case, let me refer factor. We waited for the Harris judgment. to the speech of the Leader of the Opposition. We believe certain circumstances have If he has not had information from the been clarified lly the High Court in the Hauliers' Association, that is not my fault, Harris case which may enable us to review because throughout these discussions I have the position. submitted to them that they should bring In all fairness to the constable involved, this matter to the notice of the Leader of the Opposition, more particularly as the I think I should refer to another matter that offences and malpractices referred to were in was raised by the hon. member for Bunda­ the Downs area. I understand now that a berg about what was alleged to have been letter dealing with this particular aspect was said by a police officer in cou~t proceedin~3 conveyed to the hon. member for Ithaca last at Toowoomba. It was implied that this night for transmission by him to the Leader police officer had intercepted certain vehicles of the Opposition. and +hat, when the reports went to the trans­ port office, certain action was not taken. Before I proceed further I want to deal This is his advice of the evidence in the with another point. The hon. member for Toowoomba court- Mundingburra made an attack on a man named Harris. The Harris he referred to Question by Mr. Currie: "Did you stop has nothing to do with the person involved all transport trucks on the road on the in the particular proceedings at the moment. date of alleged complaint?" As a matter of fact, I met the gentleman Answer: "No." outside just after the House adjourned and Question: "Why not?" he said to me, "That man has got the wrong Harris." The person referred to by the hon. Answer: "Constable Bradbury, who was member for Mundingburra is living in the Dn duty in company with me at the time, Central West. I am not going to say where, stopped a number of trucks." because I do not want to identify the locality. Question: "Between yourself and That is not my business. The man who Bradbury, did you stop every truck on apparently was sitting in the gallery has that date?" nothing to do with the case the hon. member Answer: "No." for Mundingburra mentioned. Question "Why not?" If I may deal with what the Leader of the Answer: "There are a number of licensed Opposition said regarding the latter part of operators such as Western Transport, Cobb my question which was answered by the & Co., and Browns Transport, whose Premier this morning, I point out that I vehicles are travelling on the Highway. I cannot help it if I hear whispers, even if they do not stop the trucks owned by the!'>e are not in relation to the Leader of the companies on each and every trip. I stop Opposition. The justification for the latter these trucks intermittently and check part of my question which was answer_ed by them." the Premier this morning was that, 1f the Government had any knowledge from any Question: "Have you breached any of source that anything was wrong with the these companies?" previous Government's adminis~rat!~n, I was Answer: "Yes." anticipating them, and indeed mv1tmg them Motion for Adjournment [3 MARcH] Motion for Adjournment 2257 to have an inquiry into the ramifications of debate that I said five out of six cases were the administration prior to 1957. Is that not not proceeded with. There is some influence fair enough? operating on the part of the major companies. Mr. Mann: It is in keeping with the tactics Mr. Dewar: Do you doubt the Crown Law you always adopt. Office? Mr. WALSH: I am sorry if it does not fit Mr. W ALSH: I am not interested in the in with the idea of the hon. member for hon. member. I am interested in the bigger Brisbane, but I think they are honourable things, not the small fry. The Premier very tactics. I only hoped that, if the Govern­ cleverly brushed aside every charge made in ment did appoint a Commission, one the letter which was the basis of my ques­ man who would be willing to go into the tion and which was answered this morning. box would be the Minister for Transport. Mr. Nicklin: Not at all. Mr. Chalk: You bet he would. Mr. W ALSH: He concentrated on what he Mr. W ALSH: I am sure he would. With thought might be the popular thing regarding all these references about the justification for an attack on the police. I might tell the the motion, let me say that I have a recollec­ Premier that I have never had to crawl to tion of the tactics adopted by the Minister any police officer or police administration and for Transport in connection with the Casket I am not going to do it now. It there is inquiry. Have I not a recollection of the evidence that the police in this case have statement made by the Minister for Develop­ corrupted their office by virtue of the letter ment, Mines and Main Roads based on a which has come from a responsible firm of statement made in the Senate by Senator Ian solicitors, solicitors who act for the A.L.P. Wood? What came out of those as a matter of fact-- representations? A Government Member interjected. Mr. Evans: You know what happened about that. Somebody was found guilty of corrupt Mr. W ALSH: It was their right. Apart conduct. from that the people I know to be connected with that firm of solicitors are as reputable Mr. W ALSH: If the Minister wants to be as any man in this House. I will defy dirty about that part of it I am saying that anything to be said to the contrary. That the charges conveyed in the letter from the firm, in their legal capacity, have submitted hauliers association, if they can be justified a letter to the Premier and the last paragraph before a royal commission will be interpreted says that because of the failure of Cabinet as being corrupt practices, the same as to take any action to institute proceedings Mr. Justice Townley said. He made it clear they have submitted it to other interested that the Minister for Public Lands had not parties. benefited financially or materially but cor­ rupted his office merely because it was sug­ Mr. Morris: Cabinet did not even have it until-- gested he would benefit somebody else. In this case, however, neither the Premier Mr. WALSH: The Minister for Labour and nor the Minister for Transport have concen­ Industry wanders so much that I cannot be trated on the complaints set out in the letter bothered with him. The letter to the Premier from the Queensland Road Hauliers Associa­ was delivered last night. tion. The Premier had given his answer Mr. Morris: Not to the Premier. to that letter before I asked the question without notice, and he turned down com­ Mr. WALSH: The Premier was not here. pletely any suggestion that there should be They told me they had delivered the letter any inquiry into any one of the charges made in the letter from the hauliers association to to the Premier. However, the Minister for the Premier. Are they any different from Labour and Industry cannot sidetrack me. the matters inquired into by Mr. Justice Minister after Minister has risen to his Townley? Not a bit. There has been the feet, but no attempt has been made to answer suggestion that somebody-not necessarily the the series of charges contained in the letter Minister or even with his approval-has been from the Quensland Road Hauliers' Associa­ giving concessions to certain major transport tion. The one that arrived this morning is companies against other hauliers. It has only secondary. not been denied. The Minister for Transport says that the Crown Law Office advised him I notice that the hon. member for Mun­ in connection with five of the six breaches of dingburra has returned to the Chamber. For the Act which were committed on 28 or 29 his information I repeat what I said before, August and 4 September and that only one that is, that the Harris to whom he referred case was proceeded with-Marylands. The this morning has nothing to do with the Minister for Transport said that I said that Harris who is associated with this matter. that case had been proceeded with. I did not mention Marylands, and I will defy the Mr. Aikens: I accept that. Minister to show in my question or in the (Time expired.) 2258 Workers' Compensation, &c., Bill [ASSEMBLY] War Service Land, &c., Bill

Question-"That the House do now WAR SERVICE LAND SETTLEMENT adjourn"-put; and the House divided­ ACTS AMENDMENT BILL AYES, 28 SECOND READING-RESUMPTION OF DEBATE Mr. Adair Mr. Jesson Baxter Jones, A. " Debate resumed from 2 March (see ," Burrows , Keyatta p. 2234) on Mr. Muller's motion- Clark , Lloyd Davis , M ann "That the Bill be now read a second , Diplock McCathie time." Donald Power , Dufficy Smith, A. J. , Duggan " Thackeray Mr. DUGGAN (North Toowoomba­ , Foley " Wallace Leader of the Opposition) (2.46 p.m.): I do Gardner Walsh " not propose to speak very long but I wish Graham Tellers: Hanlon to establish the right of the Opposition to , Hilton Mr. Byrne criticise legislation and to be accepted Davies , Houston " seriously by members of the Govern­ ment. In his second reading speech the NoEs, 39 Minister was entitled to reply in fairly Mr. Anderson Mr. Madsen strong terms to the various points made by Beardmore Morris hon. members on this side of the Chamber Chalk " M tiller Cob urn " Munro at the introductory stage. I take no exception , Connolly " Nicholson to his doing that. When he was in Opposition Dewar " Nicklin he was always a hard hitter; he could take Evans :Dr. Noble Ewan Mr. Pizzey it as well as give it. We like to place Gaven Ramsden ourselves in the same category. When we Gilmore Richter hit hard in a debate we must expect hard Harrison " Roberts " Hart Smith, P. R. replies. For that reason I take no exception , Heading " Taylor to the general reply made by the Minister. Herbert " Tooth Hewitt Windsor I indicated that taking all the circumstances , Hiley " Wordsworth into consideration the Opposition felt that Hooper " there was justification for this measure to ," Jones, V. E. Tellers: Knox give relief to these people. Having given u Lonergan Mr. Hodges that assurance, and not having interrupted Low , Rae the Minister at all when he was speaking, PAIRS I should think that that would be sufficient for the Minister to realise that he had the Mr. Gunn Mr. Ahearn support of the House. But the hon. member ,. Marsden , Bjelke-Petersen , Sparkes for Roma, who has apparently assumed the , Gair role of Assistant Minister for Public Lands, Resolved in the negative. came in with a quite unnecessarily provocative speech in which he attacked the Labour Party, its land policy, and indeed very LIMITATION BILL strongly criticised the hon. members for Belyando and Bundaberg and certain other THIRD READING hon. members who were not in the Chamber Bill, on motion of Mr. Munro, read a at the time. He showed a lamentable lack third time. of judgment in anticipating the tenor of the House. Whether those hon. members elect to defend the criticism levelled at them INSURANCE BILL yesterday is a matter for them. The measure could have gone through THIRD READING without any trouble at all. I was never Bill, on motion of Mr. Hiley, read a Minister in charge of land matters. There­ third time. fore I cannot presume to speak with experi­ ence on detailed land matters, but as an ordinary member of Parliament with STATE GOVERNMENT INSURANCE some experience over the years and as one OFFICE (QUEENSLAND) BILL who takes a general interest in land develop­ ment, I have a general knowledge of land THIRD READING matters. I do not presume to have as much knowledge as the present Minister or the Bill, on motion of Mr. Hiley, read a previous Labour occupants of that office, third time. but I think I can say that in view of the very severe attack by the hon. member for Roma it is remarkable that he is the wealthiest WORKERS' COMPENSATION ACTS member on his side, having accumulated AMENDMENT BILL the great bulk of his wealth during Labour THIRD READING administration. Under the land laws of the State he has been able to amass a fortune. Bill, on motion of Mr. Hiley, read a If he is not a millionaire he is very close third time. to it. Labour has nothing to be ashamed War Service Land Settlement [3 MARCH] Acts Amendment Bill 2259 of about its general land policy over the that it would be undesirable to waste their years. It certainly has nothing to be ashamed money on crops for which there was no of about its treatment of soldier settlers. apparent market. At no stage was it said What the Goverment of the day did was at to these people that they could not do very great cost to them. In placing the certain things. They were given perfect soldiers on the land admittedly some mistakes freedom of action in regard to the crops were made. I took the trouble this morning they might grow. to read the Premier's remarks at the time. Mr. Ewan interjected. When the Hon. A. Jones introduced the legislation early in 1946, I think it was, the Mr. DUGGAN: I am glVlng my side of Premier said that he approved of what he the case. It was unnecessary for the hon. believed to be prudent steps to appoint a member to attack the Government that went selection committee to review the applications. out of its way to help these men. Something like 1,500 or 1,600 applicants had to be screened at that time. Whether Mr. Ewan: Not as much as they could the committee did a good or a bad job I am have. not prepared to say. This committee was Mr. DUGGAN: That is your opinion. The selected and comprised men of ability. The Opposition and the Q.L.P., for that m;:tter, Minister said that something like £20,000 did not raise objection to the help g1ven. is involved in the capital loss on the holdings. There was unanimity. What I object to is the Mr. Muller: £5,000. unwarranted attack by the hon. member for Roma. The Minister can thank the hon. Mr. DUGGAN: You are writing off. member for Roma for provoking this debate. Mr. Muller: The write-off is a Common­ There was no need for it, as we were pre­ wealth matter. pared to facilitate the passage of the meas­ ure. Mr. DUGGAN: You could have Soldier Mr. Ewan: You admit you were wrong. A who had no land experience, and under the Commonwealth Rehabilitation Scheme Mr. DUGGAN: I do not make any such the utmost assistance he could secure to enter admission at all. a business would be £1,000, but Soldier B The hon. member for Roma has quite with land experience could go onto a farm unnecessarily held up the proceedings of the where the cost of development was £10,000 House to engage in an unnecessary, provoca­ of £15,000. These people all undertook the tive attack on the Labour Government's land same risk and it is remarkable that there policy. I have entered the debate at this should be such discrimination. On the ques­ stage not to oppose the Bill but to reply to tion of 10 years, circumstances had arisen the hon. member for Roma. I do not object that might justify the Minister's giving to the Minister's reply. We voiced some approval to reduce the time to five years. minor criticism, and he answered it in his When the Bill was introduced the Premier usual forthright fashion. I have no quarrel said that it was desirable that we should with his reply. I do not agree exactly with restrict the sales to returned service personnel. everything he said, but I do not object to He did not want to see a repetition of the manner in which he said it. He is a hard people going onto War Service blocks, and fighter and I accept that fact. In debate we then having them taken over by foreigners. have to cope with parry and thrust. When We welcome them all now whether they a person enters the political arena, he cannot come from Australia or some other country. expect to give all the punishment and take There is not so much animosity now as at none. that time. The Premier of the day and the The Opposition is in agreement with the then Leader of the Opposition approved of measure. I am only sorry that it was not the steps taken by the Government. passed with complete concord and accord. Mr. Hilton: So did the present Minister. There would have been no occasion for me and possibly other hon. members to inter­ Mr. DUGGAN: I did not have an oppor­ vene, but for the impetuous action of the tunity of reading through the debates, but hon. member for Roma. I did come across a passage where I think the hon. gentleman collided with the present Mr. LLOYD (Kedron) (2.57 p.m.): I enter Deputy Premier. The rest of the Country the debate mainly to correct the misappre­ Party generally approved of the measure. It hensions of the hon. member for Roma and is wrong to say that it was a bad and other Government members on the war ser­ dictatorial action to prevent these people from vice land settlement scheme. I do not know growing potatoes or something else. They that the qualifications of the hon. member may have been persuaded not to grow certain for Roma would entitle him to speak commodities. The other day the Minister on behalf of ex-Service men. I hope the for Agriculture and Stock mentioned the Minister will accept what I am about to say Tinaroo Falls development area and the in the spirit in which I make the statements. difficulty of growing products for which there When the war service land settlement is no market. No doubt that was the posi­ scheme was started, the Government endeav­ tion and the officers of the Department of oured to settle as many ex-Service men as Public Lands perhaps persuaded these people possible in Queensland, under a system of 2260 War Service Land Settlement [ASSEMBLY] Acts Amendment Bill

closer settlement. An excellent job was done the land than could be settled on the land by officers of the Government departments. in any other State in the Commonwealth. The history of the scheme proves that in The Government extended to them the pro­ Queensland it was far superior to the scheme visions of the War Service Land Settlement in any other State. We had to contend with Act, provisions which we ourselves introduced. the proposal made by the Commonwealth We gave them money free of interest and Government at that time. They wanted to redemption over a period. No other State get possession of land in this State owned in the Commonwealth had done as much for by the people of Queensland. They wanted the settlement of ex-service men. Our figures a title of that land. The Government of bear that out. The hon. member for Roma, the day rejected the scheme on the ground and the hon. member for Chermside on that they wanted to retain ownership of the occasions, endeavour to make political capital land for the people of Queensland. Subse­ out of one of those things that very often quently, during the period of the Clare pro­ happen. The hon. member for Roma should ject, we got into difficulties with inflation over be the last person in the world to endeavour costs and advances to numerous ex-Service to indict the previous Labour Government on men who were placed on the land. something about which he knows nothing. He might know about land in the Roma dis­ In March 1953 we proposed to the Com­ trict and the profit he has been able to make. monwealth Government that the scheme but what does he know about the settlement should be amended to enable this State to of ex-service men on the land in Queens­ carry on as an agent State, the idea being land? Not a thing. The former Labour that we would retain OWTil!rship of the land Government have nothing to be ashamed of. but were prepared to pay the full cost of The results were caused by seasons and the acquisition or resumption of the land. The monopoly that existed in the control and Commonwealth Government rejected that sug­ purchase of tobacco. The hon. member will gestion. admit that within the last two years, because I accompanied the late Premier, Mr. E. M of competition, and because the monopoly Hanlon, on an inspection of the whole of has been broken the tobacco-growers have the Clare settlement. Many of the settlers achieved a degree of prosperity. This were very grateful for what had been done monopoly was slowly and gradually killing for them by the Queensland Government, the prosperity of the tobacco-growers of acting as a principal State, not an agent Queensland. State, at tremendous cost to the Government. I rose merely to explain the record of the Within a few years of their settlement on previous Government in the settlement of the land, and I think this will be admitted ex-service men on the land. I do not think by officers of the Department of Public Lands any responsible hon. member opposite would and Irrigation, it appeared that those men deny that that record is a good one and that had a bright future ahead of them. There the Government won the tl:ranks of ex-service were good seasons, the crops were good, but men. If the 80-farm project in North Queens­ later the seasons collapsed and the crops land was badly planned, it_ was only because were not found to be as satisfactory as they of the advice that was given to the Govern­ might be. The market was stifled by the ment of the day. The work was carried out monopoly tobacco interests in this country, well and at tremendous cost to the Labour and the scheme itself did not look as pros­ Government, who did everything possible to perous as had been hoped. The hon. mem­ ensure t~a.t the settlers would enjoy a pros­ ber for Roma states that the former Labour perous hvmg. Government did not do what they should Mr. FOLEY (Belyando) (3.6 p.m.): The have done. We find that up until 1953 the party to which I belong has no objection to Queensland Government had actually settled the concessions to soldier settlers contained more ex-service men on the land in the State in the Bill, such as the right to transfer than had been settled on the land in any property after a shorter period than was other State of the Commonwealth. In all provided originally when the agreement on schemes, including war service land settle­ ment, under the Agricultural Bank's exten­ soldier settlement was entered into between sion_ of credit to ex-service men to settle on the State and Commonwealth Governments. the land, 649 ex-service men had been settled At that time 10 years was regarded as a reasonable period in which to determine ~m the land. Queensland was the only State m the Commonwealth to make available to whether a settler was making good. 3,000 ex-service men £5,500,000 free of Provision was also made in the original interest and redemption over a period. How agreement that after a certain period had can the hon. member for Roma say that a elapsed, the Commonwealth and State Labour Government had done nothing for Governments might consider a write-down if the settlement of ex-service men. The former it was found that a settler could not make Labour Government in their treatment of good. Why is it that on the eve of an ex-service men generally have done nothing election the Minister is incurring the expendi­ of which they could be ashamed. We cer­ ture of a large sum of money when he could tainly differed with the Commonwealth ask the Commonwealth Government to Government as to becoming an agent State. inquire into the economic circumstances of We proved as a principal State that we the farms and, if necessary, agree to a write­ could settle more landless ex-service men on down? As far as I am aware, no action has War Service Land Settlement [3 MARCH] Acts Amendment Bill 2261 been taken to conduct an inquiry along those to carry more of the burden of capital cost, lines. If a write-down was necessary, that decided that it would be sound to establish was the proper approach and full provision from 23 up to 27 farms in the Gibber­ was made for it in the original agreement Gunyah area just over the river from with the Commonwealth Government. There Theodore. In their wisdom they formulated should be no necessity for this Government a plan and submitted it to me, as Minister to bear the cost out of their own resources. in charge at the time. Was I to take the stand that I knew more than the engineers Obviously, representations have been made who had spent months, possibly years, to the Government and they have come to investigating the project? Naturally I did the conclusion that politically this would be not adopt that attitude. I submitted the a very fine gesture to make on the eve of an scheme to the then Cabinet and it was agreed election. If any of the settlers are suffering to carry out this project. privations, and if the conditions referred to by the Minister and the hon. member for Mr. Davies: Most of those engineers are Roma actually exist, by all means give the still in the department. settlers some assistance. Probably they would have got more assistance and a greater Mr. FOLEY: They are still in the depart­ write-down than under the Bill. How many ment. The same men will be advising the farms are involved in the £4,900 referred to present Minister. When they recommend a by the Minister? If there are very many project to him, not being an irrigation the Bill will not make the difference between engineer he will not be in a position to success and failure to the settlers who will contest any of the points raised by them. receive the benefit. Details of the original projects launched were submitted to Parliament. Details were given I was not present during the debate on of the surveys, the capital expenditure and the second reading but I hurriedly perused the estimated number of farms that would the Minister's remarks. Generally he tried be provided. If any hon. members had any to convey the impression that irrigation in knowledge of irrigation they had the oppor­ Queensland as administered by the previous tunity to condemn or reject the schemes. Labour Government was not what it should Usually, although there might be some debate, have been, not economically sound, so he is the necessary legislation was agreed to. setting out to improve it. However, he can­ not point to any irrigation project in The Minister referred to the Mareeba­ Australia or any other part of the world Dimbulah scheme. The same applies there. where the capital expenditure on the dam, He boasts that he has cut down the number the reserve dam, and the necessary canals and of farms by 1,000. other improvements, is passed on to the settlers. It would be impossible for any Mr. Muller: I did not say that. group of settlers on an irrigation project to carry the capital investment. Governments Mr. FOLEY: That is how it reads in the realise that and agree to carry most of the proof of the Minister's speech if he has capital expenditure. They try to adjust water not corrected it. Anyway, he has reduced the charges, rents and other charges to enable number considerably. Again that project was the settlers to carry on successfully. submitted and agreed to by Parliament. The estimate of the number of farms was Reference has been made to the Gibber­ not the estimate of the Irrigation Commis­ Gunyah project on the Theodore irrigation sioner. He went into the matter with agric­ settlement. That is purely experimental and ultural experts and other Lands Department was never intended to be anything else. It officials with a wide knowledge. They agreed was hoped that later it would be possible to that a certain acreage of land in the settle­ find foundations in the Nathan Gorge to ment would be sufficient for a man to make build a bigger dam to carry a greater reserve a good living. We agreed to that. How can of water to irrigate most of the Dawson any Minister dispute evidence submitted by River Valley by gravitation. That has never skilled men like irrigation engineers, Depart­ come about, but not through the fault of any ment of Agriculture and Stock field experts, Government. soil experts and agricultural experts, and field officers of the Department of Public Lands? Mr. Muller: You had 28 years in which to do it and you never did it. Mr. Ewan: What has this got to do with the Bill? Mr. FOLEY: What can any ministry do if the irrigation engineers, continually boring Mr. FOLEY: If the Minister is allowed and testing, are unable to find suitable foun­ to make a review of other land settlements dations and, naturally, therefore, unable to and give his opinion on them, indicating that submit any recommendation to the Minister? they were big mistakes by the then Labour In the circumstances, no administration could administration, it is only right that other carry on with the project. That is why the hon. members should be allowed to refer to Nathan Gorge dam and the irrigation project the Minister's remarks and give their opinion, that was to be associated with it have never as I am doing. I do not claim to be an come about. But our engineers, in an irrigation expert but I know that a soil sur­ endeavour to get more settlers at Theodore vey was carried out at Mareeba-Dimbulah, 2262 War Service Land Settlement [ASSEMBLY) Acts Amendment Bill

as it has been carried out in every other Hon. P. J. R. HILTON (Carnarvon) project. It is part of the planning of an (3.25 p.m.): I enter the debate because of irrigation settlement. the shocking misstatements that have emanated from the Minister and the hon. Mr. Davies: Several years before. member for Roma. At the oufset I take strong exception to a term used by the Mr. FOLEY: Yes. It was estimated that a Minister. He accused the previous Govern­ certain acreage would be sufficient. If it ment of placing a socialistic millstone round has been found since that that acreage was the necks of the settlers at Clare. No too small I agree with the Minister that by responsible Minister with a knowledge of every possible method he should try to the background and other matters associated arrange for greater areas to be given to the with that settlement could justify such an settlers. On the other hand it is wrong to outlandish statement. do that in an endeavour to build up a settle­ ment by what is known as the share-farming The comment on the Bill has not included system. I think it is definitely wrong for a any reference to the Commonwealth-States settler to be given more land than he can Agreement on the settlement of ex-service handle himself and permit him to work it on men. As the Leader of the Opposition a share basis. Those who engaged share has said, when the complementary legislation farmers should have had the opportunity to was passed in this Assembly to ratify the select the land in the first place. The Minis­ agreement between the Commonwealth and ter admitted in a previous debate that 80 the State, every Country Party member was acres would enable the settler to work a por­ completely in accord with the principles of tion and bring in a share farmer to work the the Agreement, but now we hear the Minister rest. I think that system is wrong; it does for Public Lands describing it as a socialistic not tend to healthy land settlement. Every millstone. It is a horrible reflection on Minister, including the present Minister, who the intelligence and ability of scientific has administered that department has been officers of the Department of Agriculture faced with the same position. He has a staff and Stock, of experienced administrators of of trained irrigation engineers and other the Department of Public Lands and of experts to advise him on the different aspects that great administrator, the late Sir John of irrigation. The reports he receives reflect Kemp, because he played a part in the the wisdom of these experts. The Minister formulation of that scheme in the North. must either reject the whole thing as not Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I draw the being Government policy or accept it. We attention of the hon. member to the fact know that some people have found it difficult that I have been very lenient. I have to keep up their rent payments and pay allowed him to answer the Minister's their survey dues. They enjoy an interest­ comments, but I appeal to all hon. members free period on the capital debt. Some settlers not to embark on a general discussion on meet with more difficulty than others, and the policy of previous Ministers on land I am with the Minister in giving these people or irrigation. This is essentially a very every assistance. I advise the Minister not simple and clear amendment of the Act. to adopt the attitude that because he is in I appeal to the hon. member. I do not charge of the Department of Irrigation and want to have to restrain him. Water Supply that his judgment on these matters is better than that of experienced Mr. HILTON: I am specifically referring engineers and others. If the Minister does to the Clare settlement. The Clare and I prophesy that he will make greater mistakes Millaroo settlement is covered by the in the future than he claims were made by Commonwealth-States Agreement, and certain some of his predecessors. The Minister said moneys are being written off. With all due the amount of assistance was £4,900. That respect to you, Mr. Speaker, I think my does not represent much help if it is spread statements were relevant to the provisions over a considerable number and therefore of the Bill. I was pointing out that the will not mean the difference between success genesis of the settlement was the Common­ and failure; but if it only concerns a few it wealth-States Agreement, and I referred to will be very helpful. I wish the Minister the calibre of the men who advised the every success in his effort to help those who Government re the implementation of the are in distress. If the Minister submits a Agreement. As a member of the previous similar proposal in regard to any other irriga­ Government I was taking strong exception tion settlement where difficulties are being to the scheme, suggested by illustrious and experienced my party will be right behind competent public servants who advised the him. I suggest to the Minister that it would Government, being described as a socialistic be wise to approach the Commonwealth experiment with returned soldiers. Government to have an investigation of every The hon. member for Roma charged the farm that comes under the Commonwealth­ previous Government with neglect, with State Agreement with the object of writing failing to do anything for these settlers, and down debts to an economic level. The Gov­ in all fairness we should be allowed to reply ernment would then be giving some real to them, because, as the Minister knows assistance, and the State would have to bear only too well, the Agreement in respect of only 50 per cent. of the cost. Clare and other soldier settlements provided War Service Land Settlement [3 MARCH] Acts Amendment Bill 2263 that after due investigation by a committee Prior to the defeat of the former Govern­ appointed by the Commonwealth and State ment that committee had furnished a report. Governments action could be taken to write There was no time left to us to take action down the capital indebtedness of the settlers. by consulting the Commonwealth Govern­ Prior to my vacating the office of Minis­ ment in an endeavour to see that full justice ter for Public Lands, a committee appointed was done to those settlers. Furthermore, by the Government made a comprehensive everybody at that time knew that the homes report. erected were not all that could be desired. Hon. members will recall the position in Mr. Ewan: What did you do? regard to the supply of building materials at that time. There was an urgent need to Mr. HILTON: I emphasise that it was a get the settlement under way as speedily as few weeks before the defeat of the Govern­ possible and ex-army buildings were used. ment. Everybody knew that in due course the cost would be written down and that we had Mr. Ewan: We followed it up. to get the consent of the Commonwealth Mr. HILTON: I am glad to have that Government to the writing down. It was observation. It has taken the present Gov­ impossible to approach the position piece­ ernment three years to act on the informa­ meal. We had to make an approach to the tion supplied by that committee of investi­ Commonwealth to see that justice was done. gation in regard to Clare. It has taken them three years to act when they had all Mr. Ewan: Who valued them at £3,000 the information placed before them, and I when they were first put up? do not think that that is anything to brag Mr. HILTON: They had to be valued at about. If the State Government had acted that time. on its own account in regard to the write-off the Commonwealth Government would have I repeat, there was a great outcry at the bailed up and refused to meet the writing­ time to speed up soldier settlement, and the down of the capital indebtedness. The Government did their best to meet the Premier and the Minister know that full demand. It was not our fault that some of well. The State Treasurer, having regard the settlers failed to measure up to their to the parlous state of the Treasury would obligations, even though they were all strongly resent any action which would "screened" and approved by a committee relieve the Commonwealth Government of composed mainly of men from outside the their obligation in • respect to those settlers. Public Service. Can the previous Govern­ ment be held responsible merely because Mr. Ewan: You will admit it was a hor­ some of the settlers failed to make a success rible mess before you· had that committee appointed. of the venture? The officers of the Irriga­ tion Department did everything possible to Mr. HILTON: There was no such thing ensure that the settlement was established on as a horrible mess. I give the Minister full sound lines under the Commonwealth-States credit for he WZiS fair enough in his Agreement. Every consideration was afforded introductory speech to say that he to the settlers by them and other Govern­ was not blaming anybody. He knew that ment officials. the best technical men available to the Gov­ I resent very strongly any attempt to make ernment had investigated that particular cheap political capital out of the tribulations area. There were factors operating, other of these ex-service men. I resent also the than the land itself, which caused disaster charge that a previous Government put a to some, not all. I well recollect reading socialistic millstone round their necks. There the results of the first year's operations is not much more I can say-- of that scheme. Some men had earned a gross income up to £12,000. In Mr. Aikens: Hear, hear! that year tobacco prices were reason­ ably good; the tobacco combine was Mr. HILTON: The hon. member for not able to exercise a depressing influence on Mundingburra says, "Hear, hear!" If he sales, although in subsequent years it did. wants to get back to the North to loaf, let There were floods in the country, and the him go. It is immaterial to me whether he hon. member for Roma knows that if he is interested in this debate. knows anything at all. I should like the Minister to tell us the Mr. P. R. Smith interjected. actual amount for which the Commonwealth Government have agreed to accept respon­ Mr. HILTON: I am speaking on a serious sibility in the write-down of capital indebted­ matter. I want to see justice done to those ness. I realise that the Bill relates only to men. I am supporting the Bill in its entirety. land rents and survey fees, but we should Let us treat the matter objectively and be told whether the Commonwealth Govern­ look at everything in its right perspective. ment have measured up to their responsi­ Because of factors other than capital indebt­ bilities. edness and the land itself, some of these men were put in dire straits. That is why the I do not intend to deal with other points previous Government appointed a representa­ raised by the Minister in his second-reading tive committee to go into the whole matter' speech. I think the hon. member for 2264 War Service Land Se,ttlement [ASSEMBLY] Acts Amendment Bill

Belyando covered them very fully. How­ I know, too, that some of the blocks at ever, I resent the very base and unparlia­ Clare proved to be too small. The Minister mentary accusation of the hon. member for said that. He said, too, in his Second­ Roma that the previous Government con­ Reading speech that the farms at Mareeba­ demned the settlers at Wandoan to penal Dimbulah were reduced in number, and I servitude for life. What an astonishing understand that they were increased in area. statement! During the period that I was One of my chief complaints about the settle­ Minister for Public Lands-and it extended ments in the Burdekin Valley is that they over 18 months-1 had not one deputation have not been increased in area to allow from that area. I knew that some of the all the settlers to have at least 40 acres of blocks were not functioning as they should, land suitable for growing tobacco. I was but they were surveyed and designed accord­ advised in a letter from the Minister that ing to the best information available to the it was not intended to increase the areas Government from experienced officers of the and, further, that the vacant lands in the Department of Agriculture and Stock and settlements of Clare, Millaroo and Dalbeg the Department of Public Lands. To say would be ballotted for by settlers in the that the Wandoan settlers were condemned particular areas. That still does not solve to penal servitude for life is fantastic, the problem of the man who is without absurd, unfair, and very unworthy of the sufficient land to grow tobacco. He has to hon. member for Roma, who pretends to take pot luck. know something about land settlement. I have here a letter written by one of Mr. McCATmE (Haughton) (3.39 p.m.): the settlers who are without sufficient area. I intimated during the initiation stage that He says that he considers it one of the I was quite happy to support the measure. greatest injustices ever perpetrated on I know the area under consideration very settlers in Queensland, that all the settlers well. I know also that quite a number of have the opportunity to apply for these lands the soldier settlers have experienced diffi­ and that those who are without sufficient culty. I know much more than I care to area still have to take pot luck. He says say here about some of their difficulties; that, if an existing settler secures another I have said it in other places. block at ballot, he will immediately put on share-farmers and the other farmers will It has been decided to remit land rentals still be without enough area. and water and drainage charges. However, that is only a portion of the amount to be I mentioned the nut-grass problem. written off. The intimation given to the While the Minister said it was the opinion soldier settlers was contained in a letter of departmental officers that tobacco could from the Premier. The two paragraphs that be grown with nut grass, he and other hon. deal particularly with this matter read- members agreed that the general view was to the contrary. I appeal to him to check "The State and Commonwealth Govern­ the results of the farm that has been in ments are aware that many settlers have operation this year before it is abandoned. met with some severe setbacks in the I appeal to him further to carry on the growing of their crops. The Investigation investigation for two or three years and to Committee has not found a solution for test thoroughly whether farrow irrigation the technical problems associated with and chipping will prove the answer to growing the farms, the complexity of which is tobacco in nut-grass areas. realised by both Governments. The Bill will help the settlers at Clare "They feel that some recognition should a little way along the road. I support it be given to settlers for work that they wholeheartedly but I could not accept the have put into their farms without a insinuations of hon. members opposite that compensating financial action. It has been the previous Government neglected the area agreed that this can best be achieved by because their accusations cannot be sustained relieving settlers of their debts to the in any way. They have only to look at Crown as at 31 December, 1959, for the successful ones and to delve into the improvements, plant and machinery and problems of those who were not successful working capital advances (excepting to find the truth of the matter. advances made against the 1959-1960 tobacco crop)." Hon. A. G. MULLER (Fassifern-Minis­ That will indicate to hon. members that the ter for Public Lands and Irrigation) (3.46 Commonwealth-State agreement has been p.m.), in reply: Most of the points raised working in that direction as it should. As have been outside the provisions of the Bill I intimated earlier, the previous Govern­ nevertheless I suppose they have some indirect ment set up a committee of investigation bearing. The Bill contains three clauses, to try to settle these matters and the Premier's only one of which relates to the argument letter says the information in it has been put forward this afternoon about the justifica­ obtained following work done by that tion of remitting the £5,000 owing to the committee over two years, so it is quite State. apparent that they have followed on from The hon. member for Belyando must have the report submitted by the committee set been absent from the State for a long time or up by the Labour Government. taken little or no notice of what has been War Service Land Settlement [3 MARCH] Acts Amendment Bill 2265 going on in the negotiations between the the hon. members for Belyando and Carnarvon State and Commonwealth Governments over know that is true. Some of these settlers have the write-down. The Commonwealth Govern­ done well and some have not. Some of them ment have measured up to their responsibili­ were absolute failures. This may have been ties. They have agreed in principle to the due to lack of effort or insufficient land. write-down but I am not prepared to say at In some cases it was due to both. The the moment what the amount will be. In position had to be dealt with. The longer it any case it is outside the provisions of the was left the more acute the position became. Bill. They have agreed to meet their respon­ sibilities and write off the considerable debt Mr. Hilton: You described the whole thing of the settlers in that area. The matter is as a socialistic venture. being handled by the Treasury Department Mr. MULLER: It was a socialistic venture; and, in all, it will run into a substantial sum that was the reason why it was a failure. The of money. When the Bill was introduced I hon. member claimed that every member of estimated how much it may be but I am not prepared to make a definite statement because this Government agreed to it. We agreed to I do not know. What we are concerned the settlement in principle. We had no say about now is what affects the State directly as members of the Opposition regarding the -the rent and the survey fees. policy to be adopted with the settlers. On the admission of the hon. member for Bely­ The hon. member for Belyando openly ando they failed because they knew nothing admitted that he knew nothing at all about about it. Men were put on the land at the methods of controlling the settlements. high capital cost and the conditions were He admitted that he considered that the such that it was extremely difficult for them Government should rely vn departmental to succeed. We took off the socialistic officers. He referred to the work of the late shackles and we are now making the soldier Sir John Kemp at Gibber-Gunyah. There is shoulder his own responsibility. We are nothing worse than casting reflections on any­ advancing him money and giving him land one who has passed on. Sir John Kemp did and we say, "Under the freehold basis you a mighty job as an engineer. It is the respon­ have to make a do of it or get off." Under sibility of the Government and the Minister the freehold basis he is not tied up for five in charge in particular to ensure that irriga­ years, let alone 10 years. If he is a failure tion schemes are economically sound. After the sooner he gets out the better for himself all, Governments have to find the money, and everybody else. These settlers were whether they borrow it or get it from revenue. handicapped by socialistic shackles. I do No Government can afford to take a risk by not apologise for that statement. allowing departmental officers to direct them. The hon. members for Belyando and Carnar­ Mr. McCathie: Mr. Minister-- von have both held the portfolio of Minister Mr. MULLER: The hon. member has had for Public Lands and they know perfectly his say. well that when these schemes are being planned and designed the Minister in charge Mr. McCathie: I wish to ask a question. accepts full responsibility. Not on one single occasion has the Irrigation Commissioner Mr. MULLER: The hon. member's speech attempted to lay down the costs of a scheme is the only one that does not call for a without conferring with me. Until I am sat­ reply because there was nothing in it. isfied that a plan is sound I will not refer it Mr. McCathie: I wish to say something to Cabinet. I take it exactly the same thing now. happened when the hon. member for Belyando and the hon. member for Carnarvon Mr. MULLER: The hon. member has had were in office. It is no use trying to evade his say. I am now speaking and you have blame for failure by saying it had nothing to listen to me. The hon. member represented to do with the Government and that the the people up there over the years and he Government acted entirely on the advice of failed to submit one concrete proposal for experts. I seek the advice of experts but I the solution of the problem. The hon. mem­ do not always act upon it. I do not allow ber for Carnarvon failed too. He said that any officer of my department to tell me what he appointed a committee. He appointed a to do. I admit that I am influenced greatly committee-one of several appointed by the by their advice and recommendations but then Government-but nothing was done. when it comes to committing the Government Immediately we assumed office we got in to a large sum of money I reserve the right touch with the Commonwealth Government to make up my own mind. If you want and said that there must be an adjustment. expert advice you generally go to a person And that adjustment is being made. The who is in the best position to advise you. Commonwealth Government have not failed Let us not throw the responsibility on a to live up to their responsibility; nor have public servant when the venture turns out to this Government. The Bill gives the State be a failure. Government the right to make their The hon. member for Belyando said that contribution. I was making this gesture just before an The hon. member for Belyando also election. As a matter of fact the position has objected to my reference to Theodore and been desperate for a number of years. Both Gibber Gunyah. In the Theodore area there 2266 War Service Land, &c., Bill [ASSEMBLY] Anzac Cottages, &c., Bill

was another socialistic system in operation. what the Commonwealth Government have The settlers said, "This is not our respon­ done. I can only say that they have measured sibility. We are really the guinea pigs of the up to their responsibility. Government. We have been placed here by the Government but we do not own the land Mr. Hilton: I am glad to hear it. and cannot make a living on it. We are not Mr. MULLER: The amount involved has in a position to sell it." been worked out, and the Commonwealth If they had owned the land and the Government will find their part. The sad part Government had attended to irrigation by of the story is not the £5,000 that will be providing the water the settlers would have written off under the Bill. I would not have been able to adjust themselves, but under raised a song and dance about it only the the scheme introduced by the previous point has been raised. The State has to find Government they could not do it. The hon. about £200,000 to meet its share. The amount member for Belyando tried to get out of may be more or slightly less, but that figure it by saying that at the time it was intended will not be far out. The whole of the to build the Nathan Gorge dam to provide loss of £200,000, every penny of it, is due to water for the settlement, but what happened? the bungling of the previous Government. The scheme was started in 1928, and the I did not want to go into great detail, but previous Government went out of office in the points were raised and I was obliged to 1957, 29 years later. During that time they reply to them. did not do a thing about it. They did not even give an estimate of the cost. The Motion (Mr. Muller) agreed to. settlers were fed up to the neck and wondered if anything was going to be done. We got CoMMITTEE busy and obtained an estimate of the cost. It was £27,000,000. The scheme was not a (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Taylor, practical one. As the hon. member for Clayfield, in the chair.) Belyando has entered the argument, I say Clauses 1 to 3, both inclusive, as read, that he in this instance also should have agreed to. satisfied himself that the proposal was sound. Bill reported, without amendment. It was unsound economically.

Hon. members opposite have referred to THIRD READING my interference in the Mareeba-Dimbulah scheme. It is true that the plan envisaged Bill, on motion of Mr. Muller, by leave, 1,400 farms, the cost involved being read a third time. £14,000,000 or £10,000 a farm. Any sensible person with any knowledge of irrigation would ANZAC COTTAGES AND T.B. HOMES know that such a scheme was not practicable. BILL I said to the Commissioner, "This will break the Bank of England." The Commissioner SECOND READING did not dictate to me as to what we had to do. We closely examined the proposal, made an Hon. A. G. MULLER (Fassifern-Minister adjustment of the areas and reduced the for Public Lands and Irrigation) (4.1 p.m.): I number of farms. We did not reduce the area move- under irrigation. We drew up a scheme so that "That the Bill be now read a second each of the settlers could make a living. We time." are now building the channels to the area During the introductory stage I was asked to supply the water. The settlers will be com­ for certain information. I asked the Public pletely responsible for working their own Curator to give me a few details regarding farms. We assist them financially, but we the provisions of the Bill, and he has sup­ will not be tied to this cost of £14,000,000. plied me with some particulars. As to the Whatever arrangement the settlers make with Anzac Cottages, there is one unimproved the Agricultural Bank or any other bank will allotment and three vacant cottages, one at be made by them in the same way as similar Toowoomba which is in a bad state of repair, arrangements are made by any other private one at Goodna, and the other at Norman settler. Despite what might be said, we have Park. Of the other cottages, 14 are let to put the scheme on a sound, economic footing. ineligible tenants, and 33 to Anzac widows. It is a business proposition. It is a practical As to the cost of reconditioning the cot­ scheme under which the settlers will be able tages, I might say that in 1956 a thorough to make a living. inspection of the cottages in the Greater Hon. members opposite cannot excuse Brisbane area and adjacent thereto was made by the inspectors attached to the Public themselves by saying that we agreed to the Curator's Office, and it was estimated that proposal. We agreed with the settlement an expenditure of £17,000 would be required in principle, but the form of the settlement to place the cottages in a reasonable state and the tenure of the land were matters of of repair, including painting. If the cost of Government policy, and that was the root reconditioning the country cottages was added cause of the failure. to this sum, it is estimated that least £20,000 The hon. member for Carnarvon asked would be required. Taking into considera­ if I was prepared to make a statement about tion the further deterioration of the cottages Anzac Cottages and [3 MARcH) T.B. Homes Bill 2267 and increased costs of repair, the present­ I do not dismiss lightly the suggestion day cost of reconditioning the cottages could of tl:te hon. member for Bundaberg. If it is a quite conceivably reach £24,000. matter of giving preference to someone, it The allotments on which the cottages are could be accorded to widows of soldiers who erected vary in area from 16 perches to 1 were killed in World War II. However, see­ rood 11 perches. The values of these cot­ ing that the money was subscribed for a tages vary. A cottage in Brisbane which specific purpose and the obligation has been has been well cared for by the widow and fulfilled, I think it would be wise to act on family might be valued at £2,000. There the advice received and sell the cottages that are not many of these. Cottages in Bris­ are unoccupied so that the others may be bane and in the country which have not been kept in reasonable repair. so well cared for by the occupant might have a value as low as £1,000. Mr. LLOYD (Kedron) (4.8 p.m.): The It is anticipated that in the next three years Minister has said that 14 of these cottages the sales would be limited to one block of are occupied by ineligible tenants, and that vacant land, three cottages at present vacant, there is one unimproved allotment and three and 14 other cottages occupied by ineligible vacant cottages. He said also that within tl:te tenants, realising perhaps, a gross amount of next 12 months it is intended to sell those £24,000. It would be the duty of the Public properties and use the proceeds to keep the Curator, as Trustee, to obtain the best price remainder in reasonable repair. Speaking of obtainable. Sales in all cases should be made the 14 cottages that are let to ineligible by public auction at a fixed reserve, and no tenants, I should imagine that the provisions private sale made unless that reserve was of the Fair Rents Act would be binding not reached at auction. on the Public Curator. If he is to be There was a suggestion made by the hon. empowered to sell the 14 cottages, I point member for Bundaberg that the sales should out that the Fair Rents Act prevents anv be restricted to ex-service men. That sugges­ private owner from selling a house tion has a good deal of merit. My first immediately after evicting the tenant. I reaction was that it would not be practicable. should like some elaboration from the Whilst this suggestion might have certain Minister on wlrether he intends to empower the Public Curator to evict the ineligible m~rit we must not lose sight of the primary tenants. The fund is gradually going out of object of th~ Anzac Cottage Scheme, which was to provide homes for homeless Anzac use and eventually there will not be any widows. Therefore, it is essential that when people accommodated in the homes. It has sales of these cottages are being made to been in operation over 40 years and natur­ provide funds for the upkeep of cottages ally those eligible to occupy the homes are occupied by Anzac widows, an endeavour gradually disappearing. Their descendants should be made to obtain the maximum are of course entitled to use them but they benefit_for them, and that could only be done too will decrease in number. Under the pro­ by_ sellmg the cottages at the highest possible cess of selling the houses the fund will pnce. A sale that was restricted to ex-service become merely a fund of money without men only, or for that matter any other sec­ property resources. What will happen to it tion of the community, would not return the then? Will it be transferred to other ~cheme the greatest measure of benefit. patriotic funds or to the Canteen Trust Fund, or to some other purpose similar to As hon. members will realise, the purpose that for which it was originally intended for which the cottages were erected l:tas or will it revert to the Government? The almost been served; most of the widows Minister might consider reviewing the fund have long since died. It became a matter for with that in mind. We have no objection to the Public Curator to use his discretion in the Bill. letting the cottages, and a number of them are at present leased to ineligible persons Hon. A. G. MULLER (Fassifern­ with the object of collecting rent. He is at Minister for Public Lands and Irrigation) present collecting about 30s. a week for each (4.12 p.m.), in reply: The Deputy Leader of cottage, which would scarcely cover the cost the Opposition has raised a good point about of keeping them in repair. He has had to the possibility of the Public Curator's selling use his discretion in deciding whether to the homes over tl:te heads of the tenants. allow tl:t~ children of an eligible person or I remind him, however, that the Public a war Widow to use the cottages. In using Curator is not empowered to sell without his discretion, he decided that the female the approval of the Governor in Council. children of a widow would be permitted The question of rendering people homeless to remain in a cottage till they were married. will be closely watched. I am sure that However, that practice could not be allowed will not happen. Of course there is a limit to continue over a number of generations. to how far we can go to make ourselves The cottages are now getting into a bad good fellows by giving people cheap homes state of repair, and it becomes a question and not evicting them. Knowing the Public of whether the Public Curator should lease Curator and his officers I am sure tl:tat them to anybody and everybody. I think that the matter will be taken care of and that would be very unwise. No fund has been no undue hardship will be created. I should set up to enable him to keep them in a not like to see people turned out when reasonable state of repair. they could not get another home. 2268 Rockhampton Harbour Board [ASSEMBLY] and the City of Rockhampton Bill

Mr. Power: He would not do it. it is a very wise move because now Rock­ hampton will have a deep-sea port at which Mr. MULLER: I think the hon. gentleman the former river traffic can be handled can rest assured of that. adequately. The Rockhampton Harbour The proceeds of the fund will not revert Board will be relieved of the responsibility to the Government. We do not expect that and the heavy costs of dredging the river to there will be any for some time, but any keep the river port open. The harbour board surplus moneys will go into the care of and the city council have jointly set out to the Public Curator. Every !1on. mew.ber will attain a desirable objective: a good port at agree that that is very wise. If anyone can Port Alma that will not only serve the needs prove entitlement to moneys held in trust of the City of Rockhampton but also help the Public Curator has power after a time to serve the needs of the central district of to pay them out. Queensland. I should like to point out that the Bill protects the rights of the electors of I assure hon. members that every pro­ the city. If the people do not agree with vision in the Bill has been designed with the the council regarding this matter they have best of intentions to care for the people the remedy in their own hands and they can that the Government headed by the late cause the issue to be decided by the general Mr. T. J. Ryan sought to benefit. body of electors at a poll. I know of no Motion (Mr. Muller) agreed to. more democratic way in which the council can act and at the same time protect the CoMMITTEE rights of the electors. The Bill is not only (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Taylor. giving the Rockhampton City Council power Clayfield, in the chair.) to make this proposed agreement with the Clauses 1 to 6, both inclusive, and Harbour Board; it also protects the rights of preamble, as read, agreed to. the citizens of Rockhampton. If the citizens do not wish the city council to proceed with Bill reported, without amendment. this proposed agreement they are given the democratic right to express their displeasure THIRD READING at the polls. That adequately protects the Bill, on motion of Mr. Muller by leave, interests of all concerned. Hon. members read a third time. ' have had an opportunity to study the pro­ visions of the draft agreement between the ROCKHAMPTON HARBOUR BOARD parties which is enacted as a schedule to the AND THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY Bill. Hon. members will notice that the OF ROCKHAMPTON BILL draft agreement is a very clear one. Safe­ guards are written into the agreement as far SECOND READING as the council is concerned. I repeat that I Hon. G. F. R. NICKLIN (Landsborough­ believe the agreement is a fair one and I Premier) (4.17 p.m.): I move- commend the Bill to the House. "That the Bill be now read a second BURROWS (Port Curtis) (4.23 p.m.): time." Mr. As the Premier is handling this Bill it is I am dealing with the Bill on behalf of appropriate that I should repeat what the the Minister for Public Works and Local hon. gentleman said on a similar matter. In Government who is keeping an appointment 1951, when speaking on the problem of on behalf of the Government. The Minister Central Queensland ports the hon. the Premier gave a very full explanation of the Bill at said- the introductory stage. I do not propose to reiterate what he said. Hon. members have "The Battle of the Ports is being revived had an opportunity to study the Bill. It today, and the only excuse I can see for gives the Rockhampton City Council power the proposal is that it is nothing more than to enter into an agreement for the develop­ a political sop to Rockhampton and sur­ ment of Port Alma as the port for Rock­ rounding electorates." hampton. It places the council in a legal In the same speech the hon. gentleman also position to give certain undertakings which said- as the elected representative body of the "Too much money has been wasted in people it desires to give. this State on things that are not necessary. It was suggested on the introduction of the I do not say they are not desirable but Bill that the Rockhampton City Council they are not necessary at the present would perhaps be exceeding its powers in time." undertaking to make such an agreement with I agree that too much money is spent on the Harbour Board to share responsibility to things that are not necessary. I pointed out help Port Alma, but in my opinion the on the first reading that the whole of the council has every right to undertake the trade of the combined ports in Central responsibility as long as it has the backing Queensland would not be sufficient to keep and consent of the citizens of Rockhampton. the port of Gladstone working to capacity for With the proposed development of Port six working months of the year. It must be Alma Rockhampton is to be denied its river remembered that both the Harbour Board port which has been in existence ever since and the City Council are guaranteed by the Rockhampton was a city. Personally, I think Government. If they were not guaranteed Rockhampton Harbour Board [3 MARCH] and the City of Roclchampton Bill 2269 by the Government they would not be able better opportunities for amateur fishermen. to enjoy the lower rate of interest and they That shows how bankrupt of ideas the com­ would have to pay exorbitant rates on money mittee was. Any reason whatever was suffi­ not guaranteed by the Government. A dan­ cient. As I pointed out in the earlier debate gerous precedent has been established in local the Premier told the people of Rockhampton government finance. As the Premier rightly what they would get and that was what the said in 1951, "The Battle of the Ports has comrnittee recommended they should get. been revived." The proposal is not a solu­ The report of the committee was never made tion of the problem. It could be solved if public. The A.L.P. branch at Rockhamp­ the Government had the courage to inquire ton asked for a copy of the report. I had into it in a full and open manner. In that said that the report would have a damning regard, the Government pretended to inquire effect on the future of Gladstone. In response into it. They appointed a committee to to their request the Premier wrote to the inquire into Central Queensland ports. Those branch and said that the report was not made were the terms of reference. The chairman public, and never would be. As one who has was Mr. Fison, Chief Engineer of the Depart­ read the report I can understand why the ment of Harbours and Marine. I challenge Premier is ashamed to make it public. The anyone in Australia who has been associated Government acted on such a scurrilous and with Mr. Fison to question his ability and nebulous document. his integrity. But the Government yielded Mr. Low: Are you expressing the views to outside influence. The Rockhampton inter­ of the Opposition? ests were not satisfied with Mr. Fison. They feared a man who would be honest in my Mr. BURROWS: I often wonder why God opinion, and objected. They also objected created men like the hon. member. He made to the terms of reference. In consequence men like the hon. member so that we could the terms of reference were narrov;ed down appreciate intelligent people. I represent a and the committee was confined to an inquiry rort which has been sacrified and crucified into the Rockhampton port or the area under by this Government, and whilst I am paid the control of the Rockhampton Harbour to do my job I will do it and I will not be Board. brushe_d aside by upstarts like the hon. ~nember. It took evidence in camera. I was for­ tunate in that the Treasurer allowed me to Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I remind the hon. look at the report. No other hon. member, ~ember that he must discuss the merits of apart from Cabinet Ministers, has had the ~he Bill. same opportunity. I studied the report for about two hours in the Treasurer's office and Mr. BURROWS; After objections were made quite copious notes of its contents. ':!ade there was a further inquiry into all the That was the only evidence we had. In the CJOrts of Central Queensland. The first report course of that study I found some alarming on Rockhampton, the matter with which we evidence, directed against Gladstone. The are dealing now, was acted upon almost chairman of the Rockhampton Harbour Board instantaneously. Sir Arthur Fadden was who is in the lobby and is naturally very chairman of the committee that furnished a interested in the Bill when giving evidence more general and comprehensive report. The proceedings of that committee were held in condemned the waterside workers of Rock­ public; evidence was taken in public. That hampton. He was asked if they could ship report has been in the hands of the Govern­ through Gladstone as an alternative to develop­ ment for three months. In answer to my ing the Rockhampton port. He attacked the question the Premier gave a ridiculous reason waterside workers of Gladstone and more or why it cannot be made public. less said they were a mob of anarchists, but he described members of the same union who The man who used to be the champion of lived in the Rockhampton district as paragons Gladstone is now sponsoring a Bill which, as of industrial virtue. a man said to me last night, is taking the "Glad" out of Gladstone. In future its name Mr. SPEAKER: Order! should be Sadstone. I am opposing this Bill. In previous years there was competition Mr • .BURROWS: I am only pointing out between the ports for the limited amount of how misleading and irrelevant much of the trade offering in Central Queensland. There evidence was. I was astonished at a further is still a limited amount of trade; there IS recommendation made by the Committee. not sufficient trade to keep one port half­ Another precedent was established which filled. Both the Gladstcne and Rockhampton could have an immense bearing on local Harbour Boards are reducing harbour dues, government finance in future. The:: -- ockhamD­ Gladstone is in a fortunate nosition because ton City Council is contributing £80,000 Natme w~s a lot kinder to ·it than to Port towards a road which is 37 miles from the Ahna. Rockhampton post office, and a long way out of the area of the City of Rockhamoton. Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The hon. member One of the reasons advanced by the Com­ will remember that I have ordered that this mittee for its recommendation as to this road debate should not develop into a controversy which will cost between £200,000 and on the value of the two ports. £250,000, a recommendation on which the Mr. __ llU:RR

Gladstone. This is the statement of the and hopes that that potentiality will ulti­ Chairman of the Ghdstonc Harbour Board, mately be realised. Credit must be given which was publishe,l in "The Eulletin", to the Council. I think the Government's Rockhamp!on, on JO October, 1959- view is that Central Queensland will become "As far back as 1929 th(: Shell Company a greater grain producer than the Darling (then British Imperial Oil Company), the Downs, and in addition that the mineral and first to establish a terminal in Central pastoral industries, with secondary industries, Queensland, skilfully phyed Gladstone \:'ill play their part in the development of against Port Alma and obtained concessions the Central district of this great State. from Gladstone, which they would not have obtained otherwise. The hon. member for Port Curtis has "In 1950 Caltex Oil (Australia) Pty. Ltd. criticised the Central Queensland Meat also by playing Port Alma against Export Company and the benefits it will get Gladstone, drove a hard bargain and the from the agreement, but let me put the other next was the Vacuum Oil Co. Pty. Ltd. viewpoint. Is it not a fact that Swifts of "The final one was B.P. Australia Ltd., Gladstone benefited greatly from the develop­ which drove the hardest bargain of all. ment of that port? The Rockhampton agreement will give an opportunity to the "The Board would be lucky to get out Central district to keep the big meat industry of it for under £10,000 per acre for in existence in Rockhampton, with great reclamation as against £3,600 on which benefit to the economy of Rockhampton. rental to be paid by B.P. was to be Approximately 1,200 persons are employed based for 9 acres. It could cost the in the season at the Rockhampton meatworks. Board in the vicinity of £100,000 to We have our seasonal problems, of course. bring B.P. to Gladstone." There is a ft1tnre ahead of Central Queens­ That is part of the evidence of the Chairman land and I think that the agreement entered of the Gladstone Harbour Board before into will be honoured. I am hopeful in the the Queensland Ports Inquiry Committee. days that lie ahead that the guarantee to the Rockhampton Harbour Board will be a The Rockhampton Harbour Board had a guarantee and not a subsidy. fairly strong opponent apparently in the Gladstone Harbour Board. The Chairman Mr. THACKERAY (Keppel) (5.1 p.m.): I admitted that the oil interests whose contri­ did not intend to speak in this debate. How­ butions are an important factor in the ever, as a Central Qt1eenslander 1 must clarify finances of the port drove a hard bargain. the position on behalf of the hon. member The G!adstone Harbour Board was prepared '')r Fitzroy and myself. There is room for two to play with the oil companies and so ; 1rts in Central Queensland and they should prevent the development of Port Alma. The stand side by side in a spirit of friendship charges made by the hon. member for Port and good neighbourliness for the develop­ Curtis could be reversed against the Gladstone ment of Central Queensland. The individual Harbour Board. ports of Gladstone and Port Alma should not fight one against the other. I have The Rockhampton City Council and rate­ not attacked the development of the road t,> payers of Rockhampton have obligations Port Alma because a first-class road to tha! and responsibilities under the agreement. port is essential for the development of th~ The Council backed by the public in a general area. We have the agricultural, industrial and sense and by the business community is mineral w~alth of the district to look after. quite willing to accept its responsibility. Central Q:Jeensland has to be developed in the The agreement has been carefully considered. interests of the State. When I see statistics [t is merely a continuation of the broad relating to the population of Toowoomba policy adopted by the Labour Government and Ipswich and other cities I often wonder when the hon. member for Bundaberg was why they are growing ahead of Rockhamp­ Treasurer. The Council undertook certain ton. Why are we not able in Rockhamp~on obligations in regard to the road to the salt to keep abreast of the times and increase our works, and that industry is now being nopulation? We need extra industries in developed on very sound lines. The Labour Rockhampton. I do not favour the provision Government subsidised the scheme and relating to 10 per cent. of the people demand­ passed special legislation to enable the ing a noli for I think the Government sho.Lild Rockhampton City Council to participate dve the people of Rockhampton a poll Wlth­ in it. The Rockhampton City Council is out a request signed by 10 per cent. of the prepared to participate in these schemes for ratepayers. However, I bow to the Govern­ the benefit of the district. Assistance to ment's decision. outside organisations has been rendered by the Council on other occasions. It helped Mr. Nkklin: It is a provision in the Local the Livingstone Shire Council with the Authorities Act. building of a scenic road and beach improve­ ments. It is prepared to undertake these Mr. THACKERAY: Yes. Then 4,500 responsibilities on the ground that develop­ reople will determine whether a referendum ment will be 0f benefit to the Central will be held. We cannot oppose a referen­ district. It has faith in the future develop­ dum because it is the exercise of the demo­ ment and potentiality of Central Queensland, cratic right of the people. Rockharnpton Harbour, &c., Bill [3 MARCH] Uni'llersity of Queensland, &c., Bill 2273

I think I have made the position clear so .1hen, as the result of improved pastures, the far as the hon. member for Fitzroy and meatworks in Central Queensland will be myself are concerned. If the people are pre­ operatints for 10 or 11 months of the year pared to accept this method of finance I must When that happens, both ports will be accept their decision. needed to handle the products. I point out, too, that behind Rockhampton and Glad­ Hon. G. F. R. N!CKLIN (Landsborough­ stone are two of the greatest known coal Premier) (5.4 p.m.), in reply: During the deposits in the world. They must eventu­ rather remarkable speech of the hon. member ally be developed and their output must go for Port Curtis he posed the question as to through Port Alma a:1d Gladstone. There who took "Glad" out of Gladstone. He is also a likelihood that a large chemical blamed the Bill. I am sure, after listening industry will be established in Central Queens­ to his remarks today that he could be called land, which has the two essential raw maTer­ "Dismal Jimmy". If he talked round Glad­ ials-pyrites in Mt. Morgan and salt in the stone as he spoke in this House this after­ Fitzroy Basin. noon it is no wonder there is no "Glad" in Gladstone. Is there any need for the dismal picture of the area that the hon. member for Port Mr. Burrows: What about the things you Curtis has painted? Definitely not! With the said yourself? development that must come, there will be Mr. NICKLIN: I am sure that everyone room for both Port Alma and Gladstone. has greater faith in the port of Gladstone The Bill simply gives the Rockhampton than the hon. member who represents it. By City Council the right to enter into an agree­ the way he speaks in this Chamber he has ment with the Rockhampton Harbour Board no faith whatever in the port. It has been to develop a port for that city. It is the wish proved by the hon. member for Rockhamp­ of the Council, and I feel that it is also the ton that the hon. member for Port Curtis wish of the people of Rockhampton. If It is completely out of touch with the activities is not, they are being given the opportunity of his port. In reply to his question this to say yes or no. The port will not be morning I was able to tell him that the built at the expense of the Rockh:ampton Gladstone Harbour Board had recently raised ratepayers unless they approve. If they do a loan of £40,000, and was wanting more approve, they are sayin? in effec! that they money. If the Gladstone Harbour Board are prepared to accept the resnonsibility. I had no faith in the future of Gladstone, believe that they will accept the responsi would it be doing that? Certainly not ! It bility and will be prepared to invest in what has faith in the future of Gladstone, and so I think will be a profitable investment for have I and everybody else who knows any­ their city, that is, the development of Port thing about the Central district and Gladstone Alma. itself. The only one out of step is the hon. 1'.1otion (Mr. Nicklin) agreed to. member for Port Curtis. Not only is he out of step with the Gladstone Harbour Board, from the remarks of the hon. member for COMMITTEE Keppel, he is also out of step with the mem­ bers of his own party.

We are fortunate compared with other State. I listened to the argument advanced States in this first week of the University by the hon. member and have decided since year. The :Melbourne University had to to concede the principle which he advanced. bar 33 teacher students because there was In the committee stage I shall move an no place for them in the Arts faculty. The amendment to cover the point raised. That University of Sydney, too, is tremendously is the only variation to the principles of the over-crowded. So far we have been able Bill previously outlined. to cater for all students without restriction. 1\tr. DUGGAN (North Toowoomba­ We have been fairly generous, increasing Leader of the Opposition) (5.16 p.m.): the State grant from £464,000 in 1954-1955 I thank the Treasurer for accepting the to round £830,000 this year. Even so, the suggestion. The matter was discussed with needs of the University are tremendous and me and I am very happy that the Treasurer some budgeting must be carried out. They is prepared to accept that submission. On must know beforehand to what extent the behalf of the hon. member for Kedron I Government can help them. Only about 5 express thanks to the hon. gentleman. per cent. of their revenue comes from other Motion (Mr. Hiley) agreed to. sources tlran Federal and State Government grants and students' fees. The Federal grant CoMMITTEE is a fixed amount. The only real variables are the State Government grant and the (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Taylor, students' fees. Clayfield, in the chair) We have given the University every pos­ Clause 1-Short title-as read, agreed to. sible support and will continue to do so. Clause 2-New s.55A inserted; Country The last report of the Senate concluded with sports meetings- this statement- Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo­ "The picture emerging from this report Treasurer and Minister for Housing) (5 .17 on the year's activities is that of thriv­ p.m.): I move the following amendment- ing growth. On all sides there is evidence of expansion. Although the initial thrust "On page 3, lines 7 to 10, omit sub­ h'as been provided by the Commonwealth paragraph (b)- Government's acceptance of the Murray 'Such place is not within the Metro­ Committee's recommendations, we could politan Area or any Local Authority not have advanced so raridly but for the Area mentioned in paragraph (b) of splendid co-operation of the State Govern­ subsection one of section thirty-six of ment and its officers." this Act.'" I can assure hon. members that wc will That is the sub-paragraph that contains continue to give all possible support to it, the limitation which would have prevented as we do to primary and secondary country sports meetings being held in the educational facilities. metropolitan area or in any local authority area mentioned in paragraph (b) of sub­ Motion (Mr. Pizzey) agreed to. section 1 of section 36 of the Act.

COMMITTEE Amendment (Mr. Hiley) agreed to. Clause 2, as amended, agreed to. (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Taylor, Clayfield, in the chair) Clauses 3 to 9, both inclusive, as read, agreed to. Clauses 1 and 2, as read, agreed to. Bill reported, with an amendment. Dill reported, without amendment. THIRD READING THIRD READING Biil, on motion of Mr. Hiley, by leave, Bill, on motion of Mr. Pizzey, by leave, read a tlrird time. read a third time. PAPERS RACING AND BETTING ACTS AMENDMENT BILL The following papers were laid on the table:- SECOND READING Orders in Council under the State Hon. T. A. HILEY (Coorparoo­ Transport Facilities Acts, 1946 to 1959. Treasurer and Minister for Housing) (5 .15 p.m.): I move- SPECIAL ADJOURNMENT "That the Bill be now read a second time." Hm1. G. F. R. NliCKLIN (Landsborough­ Premier): I move- .<\t the introductory stage the hon. member "That the House, at its rising, do adjourn for Kedron raised the matter of the limitation until Tuesday, 29 March, 1960." that the Bill imposes on the conduct of country sports meetings, excluding the con­ Motion agreed to. duct of those meetings from the citi(;s of the The House adjourned at 5.22 p.m. Prorogation [3 MARCH] Prorogation 2275

BILLS ASSENTED TO AT CLOSE OF Schools of Arts (Winding Up and Transfer) SESSION Bill; His Excellency the Governor, in the name Labour and Industry Acts Amendment of Her Majesty, assented to the following Bill. Bills on the dates indicated- (24 March 1960)­ (10 March, 1960)- Limitation Bill; Insurance Bill; War Service Land Settlement Acts Amend­ State Government Insurance Office ment Bill; (Queensland) Bill; Anzac Cottages and T.B. Homes Bill; Workers' Compensation Acts Amendment Rockhampton Harbour Board and the Bill. Council of the City of Rockhampton (15 March 1960)- Bill; Colonel Daniel Edward Evans (William University of Queensland Acts Amend­ Parry Memorial Bursary) Bill; ment Bill; City of Brisbane Market Bill; Racing and Betting Acts Amendment Bill.

PROROGATION. Parliament was prorogued by the following Proclamation in Gazette Extraordinary, Monday, 28th March, 1960. A PROCLAMATION by His Excellency Sir HENRY ABEL SMITH, Colonel on the Retired List of the Corps of Household Cavalry, Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order, Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, Governor in and over the State of Queensland and its Dependencies, in the Commonwealth of Australia. [L.S.] HENRY ABEL SMITH, Governor. In pursuance of the power and authority vested in me, I, Sir HENRY ABEL SMITH, the Governor aforesaid, do, by this my Proclamation, Prorogue the Parliament of Queensland to Tuesday, the Tenth day of May, 1960. Given under my Hand and Seal, at Government House, Brisbane, this Twenty-eighth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty, and in the ninth year of Her Majesty's reign. By Command, FRANK NICKLIN. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!