Nunavut Canada

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF

2nd Session 5th Assembly

HANSARD

Official Report

DAY 42

Wednesday, March 6, 2019

Pages 2725 – 2864

Iqaluit

Speaker: The Honourable Joe Enook, M.L.A.

Legislative Assembly of Nunavut

Speaker Hon. Joe Enook ()

Hon. David Akeeagok Mila Kamingoak Emiliano Qirngnuq () () (Netsilik) Deputy Premier; Minister of Economic Development and Transportation Pauloosie Keyootak Paul Quassa () () Tony Akoak () Hon. Lorne Kusugak Allan Rumbolt Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole ( South) (Hudson Bay) Minister of Community and Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole Pat Angnakak Government Services; Minister (-Niaqunnguu) of Human Resources Hon. Joe Savikataaq ( South) Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak Adam Lightstone Premier; Minister of Executive and () (Iqaluit-Manirajak) Intergovernmental Affairs; Minister of Minister of Justice; Minister responsible for Energy; Minister of Environment; Minister Labour; Minister responsible for the Qulliq John Main responsible for Aboriginal Affairs; Energy Corporation (Arviat North-Whale Cove) Minister responsible for Seniors; Minister responsible for the Utility Rates Review Hon. George Hickes Simeon Mikkungwak Council (Iqaluit-Tasiluk) (Baker Lake) Deputy Speaker and Chair of Minister of Finance, Chair of the Financial Hon. Elisapee Sheutiapik Management Board; Minister of Health; the Committee of the Whole (Iqaluit-Sinaa) Minister responsible for Suicide Prevention; Government House Leader; Minister of Minister responsible for the Workers’ Safety Margaret Nakashuk () Family Services; Minister responsible for and Compensation Commission Homelessness; Minister responsible for Hon. Patterk Netser Immigration; Minister responsible for the Hon. David Joanasie () Status of Women () Minister responsible for Minister of Culture and Heritage; Minister of Nunavut Arctic College; Cathy Towtongie Education; Minister of Languages Minister responsible for the (Rankin Inlet North-Chesterfield Inlet) Nunavut Housing Corporation Joelie Kaernerk ()

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Table of Contents

Opening Prayer ...... 2725

Speaker’s Statement ...... 2725

Ministers’ Statements ...... 2725

Members’ Statements ...... 2730

Returns to Oral Questions ...... 2734

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery ...... 2735

Oral Questions ...... 2735

Tabling of Documents ...... 2752

Notices of Motions ...... 2753

Motions ...... 2754

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters ...... 2754

Speaker’s Statement ...... 2863

Report of the Committee of the Whole ...... 2863

Orders of the Day ...... 2863

A. Daily References

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 ...... 2725

B. Ministers’ Statements

189 – 5(2): Homeownership Review (Netser) ...... 2725

190 – 5(2): Territorial Orientation Program for Community Health Nurses (Hickes) ...... 2726

191 – 5(2): 2019 EnergyWise Campaign (Savikataaq) ...... 2727

192 – 5(2): Supporting Parents (Sheutiapik) ...... 2727

193 – 5(2): Celebrating French Language and Culture in Nunavut: Les Rendez-vous de la

Francophonie 2019 (Joanasie) ...... 2728

194 – 5(2): Improvements to Motor Vehicles Services in Nunavut (Akeeagok) ...... 2729

C. Members’ Statements

289 – 5(2): New District Heating System (Qirngnuq) ...... 2730

290 – 5(2): Garren Tiktaalaaq Voisey of Whale Cove (Main) ...... 2730

291 – 5(2): Elder Abuse in Nunavut (Towtongie) ...... 2731

292 – 5(2): Team at Terence Tootoo Memorial Hockey Tournament (Quassa)...... 2732

293 – 5(2): Correctional Centres in Nunavut (Angnakak) ...... 2732

294 – 5(2): Condolences to Grieving Families (Sheutiapik) ...... 2734

295 – 5(2): Nunavut’s Flag-bearer at Canada Winter Games (Akeeagok) ...... 2734

D. Returns to Oral Questions

Return to Oral Question 340 – 5(2): Unlawful Property Forfeiture Office (Ehaloak) ...... 2735

E. Oral Questions

402 – 5(2): Baker Lake Economic Development (Mikkungwak) ...... 2735

403 – 5(2): School Food Programs (Angnakak) ...... 2737

404 – 5(2): Gjoa Haven Economic Development (Akoak) ...... 2738

405 – 5(2): Fisheries Development (Keyootak) ...... 2740

406 – 5(2): Awareness Programs on Alcohol and Cannabis Consumption (Main) ...... 2742

407 – 5(2): Cannabis (Qirngnuq) ...... 2744

408 – 5(2): Alcohol-related Harm Reduction (Lightstone) ...... 2746

409 – 5(2): Letter Concerning Mr. Johannes Rivoire from France (Quassa) ...... 2748

410 – 5(2): Mine Training Plans (Main) ...... 2749

411 – 5(2): Mine Training Centre (Quassa) ...... 2750

F. Tabling of Documents

137 – 5(2): Department of Justice’s response to the Standing Committee on Oversight of

Government Operations and Public Accounts’ Report on the Review of the 2016-17 Annual

Report of the Legal Services Board of Nunavut (Ehaloak) ...... 2753

138 – 5(2): Letter to Prime Minister Regarding Extradition of Father Johannes Rivoire from

France (Savikataaq) ...... 2753

139 – 5(2): Correspondence Concerning Correctional Centres (Angnakak) ...... 2753

140 – 5(2): Photograph of CGS Shop in Whale Cove (Main) ...... 2753

G. Motions

031 – 5(2): Extended Adjournment – Notice (Main) ...... 2753

031 – 5(2): Extended Adjournment (Main) ...... 2754

H. Bills

Bill 15 – Appropriation (Operations & Maintenance) Act, 2019-2020 – Justice – Consideration in

Committee ...... 2755

Bill 15 – Appropriation (Operations & Maintenance) Act, 2019-2020 – Economic Development

and Transportation – Consideration in Committee ...... 2810

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Iqaluit, Nunavut and prayers. Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Members Present: To other residents of Nunavut who Hon. David Akeeagok, Mr. Tony Akoak, aren’t my fellow community residents, Ms. Pat Angnakak, Hon. Jeannie you will be kept in other people’s minds Ehaloak, Hon. Joe Enook, Hon. George and prayers. Let us never become Hickes, Hon. David Joanasie, Mr. Joelie downtrodden as we are Nunavummiut, a Kaernerk, Mr. Pauloosie Keyootak, Hon. resilient, cooperative and sympathetic Lorne Kusugak, Mr. Adam Lightstone, bunch who take time to assist others who Mr. John Main, Mr. Simeon may need our assistance. Mikkungwak, Hon. Patterk Netser, Mr. Emiliano Qirngnuq, Mr. Paul Quassa, Going to the orders of the day. Mr. Allan Rumbolt, Hon. Joe Ministers’ Statements. Minister Savikataaq, Hon. Elisapee Sheutiapik, responsible for the Nunavut Housing Ms. Cathy Towtongie. Corporation, Minister Netser.

>>House commenced at 10:00 Item 2: Ministers’ Statements

Item 1: Opening Prayer Minister’s Statement 189 – 5(2): Homeownership Review (Netser) Speaker (Hon. Joe Enook) (interpretation): Ms. Towtongie, can you Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): say the opening prayer, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We say “good morning” to the ones who have lost a >>Prayer loved one, and we feel profound love for your loss. My mother used to say that as Speaker (interpretation): Thank you, long as we are on this earth, the cycle of Ms. Towtongie. (interpretation ends) life will always continue, and eventually Premier (interpretation) and my time will heal your losses and life will colleagues, good morning. continue, Mr. Speaker. Nunavummiut, good morning. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, the Speaker’s Statement benefits of homeownership are clear. This is why the Nunavut Housing Prior to moving on to the orders of the Corporation (NHC) is working to make day, I want to start off with an this a reality in a territory that has announcement as yesterday relatively few homeowners. Nunavummiut had a very difficult day with several communities suffering Mr. Speaker, the housing corporation is losses on the same day. committed to eliminating barriers to homeownership and would like to thank To the residents, at least in my case, my the members for their interest in the fellow residents of , my Nunavut Housing Corporation paternal cousins especially, my dear homeownership programs and member relatives are deeply in my thoughts, and questions that they have been posing. others will keep you in their thoughts

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Within our public housing units are many tenants who crave home Minister’s Statement 190 – 5(2): ownership, and who wish the rent they Territorial Orientation Program currently pay could go toward equity in for Community Health Nurses their home. Unfortunately some are kept (Hickes) from this dream because they cannot Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. afford the high cost of repairs. It is for Speaker. The Department of Health that reason the housing corporation has continues its commitment to the delivery conducted a review of its of quality health care services. This homeownership programs and a includes putting in place safe and homeownership feasibility report. The systematic processes to support the knowledge gained from the review and integration of highly skilled, culturally report will allow us to help more competent nurses into our health care homeowners while continuing to work workforce. through the Government of Nunavut’s Blueprint for Action on Housing. Mr. Speaker and members, community health nurses are often the first and main Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this point of contact for Nunavummiut opportunity to update the House. In within the health care system. I am response to the recent written questions happy to announce that we have on homeownership, the Nunavut implemented a new territorial nursing Housing Corporation will be revising the orientation program. planned release date of the homeownership programs review and Health partnered with Medic North homeownership feasibly study. This will Nunavut, a subsidiary of Kitikmeot Inuit ensure that both reports provide Association, to develop a program that is appropriate answers to the members’ not only unique to Nunavut but to the questions whilst also avoiding north. The goal of any orientation redundancies. program is to enable participants to consolidate their skills and knowledge, Due to limited resources and the time- acquire practical experience, and consuming nature of conducting increase their confidence in health care program reviews, such as the delivery in a variety of clinical settings. homeownership review and feasibility study, the corporation plans to table the Mr. Speaker and members, the comprehensive reports during the fall curriculum for this program was created session. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. with a Nunavut lens, with input from Speaker. Inuit cultural advisors from Medic North Nunavut, and is based on Nunavut >>Applause community health nursing competencies. The program uses simulation training Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. equipment, allowing the nurses to work Ministers’ Statements. Minister of through real-life scenarios and develop Health, Minister Hickes. competencies at a quicker pace.

Mr. Speaker, we successfully delivered

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our first territorial community health The EnergyWise campaign aims to nurse orientation here in Iqaluit to 12 encourage Nunavummiut to become nurses from across the territory in better aware of their energy usage and October 2018. The Department of Health the impact it has on our environment. By delivered the second orientation program reducing our energy consumption, we to nine nurses in January 2019, which I can reduce our territory’s reliance on was proud to attend as minister. diesel and decrease the amount of greenhouse gases we release into the Please join me in recognizing the efforts atmosphere. Furthermore, this will help of our dedicated nursing staff and lessen our environmental footprint and congratulate them on their participation our contribution to our changing climate. in the Community Health Nurse Orientation Program. Thank you, Mr. On top of helping our environment, Speaker. saving energy at home and in our offices means saving money. Being conscious >>Applause of our actions results in significant savings across the territory. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Ministers’ Statements. Minister of Mr. Speaker, we are constantly looking Environment, Minister Savikataaq. for ways we can contribute to the well- being of our wildlife, land, and the Minister’s Statement 191 – 5(2): 2019 quality of our environment. Being EnergyWise Campaign EnergyWise is one way we can all (Savikataaq) participate. Hon. Joe Savikataaq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the people Mr. Speaker, I invite Nunavummiut to of Arviat, I say “good morning” to you. visit EnergyWise on social media and It’s not too cold over there. our website to learn more about ways to save energy, save money, and to help (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I am Nunavut’s environment. Remember to pleased to say today that the Department power down, head outside, and enjoy our of Environment Climate Change territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Secretariat is continuing the EnergyWise campaign as part of an ongoing >>Applause partnership with the Qulliq Energy Corporation and the Nunavut Housing Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Corporation. Ministers’ Statements. Minister of Family Services, Minister Sheutiapik. Mr. Speaker, we have used many avenues to promote this campaign, Minister’s Statement 192 – 5(2): including on television through APTN Supporting Parents (Sheutiapik) and CBC, at the Astro Theatre, via social media outlets and YouTube, and in Hon. Elisapee Sheutiapik posters distributed to all Nunavut (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. communities. Speaker. Good morning, Nunavummiut and everyone.

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(interpretation ends) Uqaqtitsijii, the also started funding community-based Department of Family Services parenting workshops in 2017-18. To date recognizes that our parents and workshops have been funded in Arviat, caregivers are our children’s first and , , and Gjoa Haven. The most important teachers. In this, we department is working to expand this remain guided by Inuusivut as we work program and work with communities to towards strengthening the well-being of offer more workshops. families across the territory. Uqaqtitsijii, healthy, strong and resilient Since 2016 my department has provided parents are a key foundation to healthy, funding to support the delivery of the strong and resilient families and [Qaujigiartiit] Health Research Centre communities. By continuing to [Inunnguiniq] parenting facilitator encourage and support our parents, we training program. This parenting are building a strong future for our program has three goals: children and families in Nunavut. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. • Revitalizing the wisdom and practices of [Inunnguiniq] in our >>Applause lives; Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. • Supporting healing for participants Ministers’ Statements. Minister of and their families; and Languages, Minister Joanasie.

• Strengthening the roles of extended Minister’s Statement 193 – 5(2): family and community in child Celebrating French Language and rearing. Culture in Nunavut: Les Rendez- vous de la Francophonie 2019 [Inunnguiniq] has also been consistently (Joanasie) raised during roundtable gatherings as a Hon. David Joanasie (French critical way to reduce poverty in interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Nunavut. Roundtable members have I rise today to celebrate the 21st edition agreed that strengthening [Inunnguiniq] of Les Rendez-vous de la Francophonie and early childhood development is one that takes place every year at the end of of the most important steps we can take March. to reduce poverty for the next generation. >>Applause

Uqaqtitsijii, I am pleased to report that (interpretation) Mr. Speaker, the lessons to date the [Inunnguiniq] parenting learned from francophones with respect facilitator training has been provided to to language rights have been a source of 169 community members and inspiration for Nunavut. Our government departmental staff from over 20 recognized this when it adopted its first communities across Nunavut and the mandate in 1999 to promote a fully Ottawa Inuit Children Centre. bilingual society in Inuktut and English or French. This continues to be our Building on this work, my department priority today under Turaaqtavut.

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(interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I am Speaker: Merci. pleased to share with my colleagues that 270 Inuit reported an ability to speak >>Laughter French in 2016, representing nearly one out of five of the 1,525 persons who (interpretation) Thank you. Ministers’ reported speaking French in our Statements. Minister of Economic territory. In our territorial capital, 13 Development and Transportation, percent of people are French-speaking. Minister Akeeagok.

Mr. Speaker, the Nunavut francophonie Minister’s Statement 194 – 5(2): contributes to the diversity of our capital Improvements to Motor Vehicles city and of our territory. This is reflected Services in Nunavut (Akeeagok) in the many activities organized by local francophone organizations. For instance, Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): l’Association des francophones du Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank Nunavut will be hosting several cultural you for speaking about the loss suffered and community events this month, open in your community, as I have a relative to francophones and francophiles of all from your community in my thoughts walks of life. today. In particular I am thinking of my cousin in Pond Inlet, whom we are Mr. Speaker, I would like to further keeping in our thoughts and prayers, and commend the Association des we share your pain. francophones du Nunavut for updating and including Inuktitut on their signs this (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I year. It shows respect to our community welcome this opportunity to rise today and helps to create a welcoming place before the Members of this House to for all. update them on the progress that has been made on the delivery of motor (interpretation) In closing, Mr. Speaker, vehicle services in Nunavut. I am excited to inform my colleagues that I will co-host the Ministerial As you are aware, significant issues held Conference of the Canadian up the timely delivery of motor vehicles Francophonie with my federal testing and licensing and the generation counterpart in June. In 25 years it will be of general Nunavut identification cards. the first time that the conference will be Many of you have been helpful in held in Nunavut. (French interpretation) providing insight on this issue and It will be a remarkable opportunity to rightfully pushing for improvements. showcase our unique and distinct linguistic reality to all Canadian Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report jurisdictions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. progress to this House. In light of the (interpretation ends) Qujannamiik. decision of the RCMP to stop administering written and practical >>Laughter testing services for class 7 and class 5 licences in our communities, our >>Applause department undertook a project where local municipal employees were trained

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to provide testing services. Ministers’ Statements. Minister of Justice, Minister Ehaloak. Ministers’ Initially this project was conducted with Statements. Members’ Statements. the Hamlet of Arviat, where local Member for Netsilik, Mr. Qirngnuq. examiners were trained in the summer of 2018. I can report to this House that Item 3: Members’ Statements thanks to our partnership with the Hamlet of Arviat, this project was Member’s Statement 289 – 5(2): New deemed successful and local examiners District Heating System have been providing testing services for (Qirngnuq) the past six months. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, to the Following the success of this project, we residents who just suffered the loss of a are taking it to other communities. We loved one, we will keep you in our have trained local examiners in thoughts and prayers, and ask for loving Kugluktuk and beautiful Pond Inlet… kindness from Our Father.

An Hon. Member: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning to speak about this misunderstanding from Hon. David Akeeagok: …and will yesterday where I was querying the shortly do so in as well. minister and I would like to correct the error I made when I asked the question In addition to this important initiative, regarding the Qulliq Energy upgrades to our Motor Vehicles Corporation. I will quote the error I Information System in conjunction with made. changes to data-sharing between government liaison officers and our (interpretation ends) As the minister will motor vehicles offices will lead to recall, the federal government quicker completion of licences and announced funding in September of last identification cards. year for a new district heating system. (interpretation) This was the source of (interpretation) Mr. Speaker, I am my error and I apologize to the Minister pleased with this progress and I would responsible for the Qulliq Energy like to recognize the tremendous role the Corporation for the error, Mr. Speaker. hamlets of Arviat, Kugluktuk and Pond Thank you. Inlet have played in helping to make improvements to our programs. I have Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. written to all other municipalities Members’ Statements. Member for offering similar training and I look Arviat North-Whale Cove, Mr. Main. forward to continuing to work with our hamlets to improve service for our Member’s Statement 290 – 5(2): residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Garren Tiktaalaaq Voisey of Whale Cove (Main) >>Applause Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Our

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meeting lasted late into the night, so we traditional social rules, and I wanted to should have just slept over here. express my pride in Garren along with his parents as well as his grandparents, >>Laughter who provide tremendous support and encouragement to their young grandson. I am thinking and sending my condolences to our fellow Nunavummiut He has a very bright future and might who are going through a hard time. very possibly play professional hockey. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Even though we go through challenging times, good events also happen in >>Applause Nunavut and it’s joyous to talk about them. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Members’ Statements. Member for >>Applause Rankin Inlet North-Chesterfield Inlet, Ms. Towtongie. There’s a young person from Whale Cove who is 15 years old, Garren Member’s Statement 291 – 5(2): Elder Voisey, Tiktaalaaq in Inuktitut, who is in Abuse in Nunavut (Towtongie) Ontario to further his training and is now living down there. (interpretation ends) Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank Garren Voisey is currently attending you, Mr. Speaker. My fellow residents Ontario Hockey Academy in Cornwall, of Rankin Inlet are in my thoughts and I Ontario. empathize with them, and I wish a good morning to the residents of Chesterfield It’s important to note and I know that the Inlet. Minister of Education is here, the schooling part of the hockey academy is I rise today to talk about our elders. also very high quality along with the Although our elders are not numerous in hockey. He’s accessing some great number, they sometimes are mistreated resources when it comes to schooling or face (interpretation ends) elder abuse. and also to developing his skills as a (interpretation) This is seemingly never hockey player. discussed as an issue in Nunavut because it isn’t very visible. When some of our Garren has been away from home since elders receive their pension cheques, he was 13. He has been going away and their children take their cheques. he has shown huge potential as a player. In fact he was part of Nunavut’s first- Our elders are mostly unilingual without ever team at the Canada Winter Games. the ability to write or speak in English, He does come home whenever he can, to and the public information that would Whale Cove, and when he is home in assist them is useless and they have Whale Cove, he is a great role model. nobody to turn to. This occurs in Nunavut. We tend to discuss our youth, He’s always joking around. He’s fun to which is fine, when we talk about sexual be around. (interpretation) He is a abuse. Nonetheless, our elders are facing sociable fellow, well versed in abuse over their money, are being

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bullied by their young relations, and we >>Laughter as a government have to feel their distress. I usually don’t mention hockey very often, but today I am quite proud to state An Hon. Member: Hear, hear! that there will be a major hockey tournament in Rankin Inlet, and for the Ms. Towtongie: Along with that, the first time, Igloolik is sending a hockey senior elders benefit from the federal team. government is called the Senior Citizen Supplementary Benefit. Low-income >>Applause seniors in Nunavut qualify for the federal Guaranteed Income Supplement. I take great pride in the team travelling This co-management payment program to the (interpretation ends) Terrence with the federal government should be Tootoo Memorial Tournament. looked at and have an analysis to see, at (interpretation) This has become an the end of the month, it’s keeping up annual tournament in Rankin Inlet. with the cost of living in Nunavut. Further, Terrence was my maternal nephew and I reminisce about him I encourage the Government of Nunavut occasionally. and Canada to look at the Old Age Security cheque, which comes at the end Now, to the hockey team from Igloolik, I of each month, to see if it reflects the wish them success and to play their best high cost of living in Nunavut. Thank to try to win their games, especially as you, Mr. Speaker. this is their first tournament. There will be many communities sending teams to >>Applause the tournament. Tournaments such as this are enjoyed by our young people, Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. who also garner experience, and it is Members’ Statements. Member for something to take pride in. Aggu, Mr. Quassa. I thank the residents of Rankin Inlet for Member’s Statement 292 – 5(2): hosting the hockey tournament that Igloolik Team at Terence Tootoo offers opportunity to our young people. Memorial Hockey Tournament Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Quassa) Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, >>Applause Mr. Speaker. Good morning. I also wish good morning to my fellow residents. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. During the middle of the week, we rarely Members’ Statements. Member for ever meet in the morning, so we don’t Iqaluit-Niaqunnguu, Ms. Angnakak. say good morning often, but I am thankful we can say good morning as I Member’s Statement 293 – 5(2): believe this is our first morning session. Correctional Centres in Nunavut (Angnakak) Yes, this morning I rose…actually I got Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. up and also stood, so I rose. Speaker. Good morning, everybody.

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Mr. Speaker, I rise today to address a jobs and I pay tribute to those who are situation that has been the subject of doing them every day. extensive public attention in recent months. I also want to say that I am sure that every one of us in this House knows Mr. Speaker, over the past couple of someone who has gone through the months a number of Members of the justice system as a victim or an offender, Legislative Assembly, including myself, and we must acknowledge that the issues have been copied on various exchanges in this area are very complex. of correspondence between the Minister of Justice and a number of national Mr. Speaker, as you will recall, both of organizations regarding her department’s us participated in three days of televised decision to prohibit a local journalist hearings in this Chamber back in 2015 from visiting and interviewing inmates when the Auditor General of Canada in person at any of our territorial presented his report to our Legislative correctional facilities. Assembly on corrections in Nunavut.

Mr. Speaker, later today at the Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek appropriate time I will be tabling copies unanimous consent to finish my of these exchanges of correspondence member’s statement today. Thank you. for the benefit of all Members of the Legislative Assembly. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. The member is seeking unanimous Mr. Speaker, I have been accused of consent to conclude her statement today. many things during my career, but a lack Are there any nays? There are no nays. of passion is not one of them. Ms. Angnakak, please proceed.

When this issue first came to my Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. attention, my first reaction was along the Speaker. Thank you to my colleagues. lines of “How could we have allowed a situation like this to have gotten to this That report was a real eye-opener for all point?” of us and drew attention to the critical need for improvements to our Mr. Speaker, I passionately believe in correctional system and facilities. open and transparent government, and taking an action like this struck me as Mr. Speaker, one of our great strengths something you would see in a place like as a country is our democracy’s Venezuela or Russia, not here in Canada. acceptance of the legitimacy and value It doesn’t reflect well on us and it makes of asking difficult questions on us look like we have something to hide. uncomfortable issues.

Mr. Speaker, as an Iqaluit MLA, I know I genuinely believe that in the absence of many people who work at or who have compelling evidence to the contrary, the worked at one of our territorial actions taken in this recent case were correctional facilities. These are heavy-handed and could have been important, difficult, incredibly stressful avoided.

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However, I also want to be clear that Member’s Statement 295 – 5(2): nobody should feel that he or she has the Nunavut’s Flag-bearer at Canada right to unfettered access to such Winter Games (Akeeagok) facilities at any time, and I also want to be clear that reasonable rules must be Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): followed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This past Saturday I took great pride when a Mr. Speaker, I was encouraged to note resident of , who is my that the minister has indicated in one of paternal nephew…actually all members her letters that she “expects this issue of our family were very impressed when will be resolved…in the very near he was chosen during the (interpretation future.” ends) Canada Winter Games (interpretation) as the territorial flag- Let us hope that this will be the last time bearer during the closing ceremonies of that a situation like this occurs. Thank these games. you, Mr. Speaker. We observed the ceremonies on >>Applause television where we reminisced about our parents who would have been doubly Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. proud, as it was touching to see him in Members’ Statements. Member for the role of a flag-bearer. I wish to thank Iqaluit-Sinaa, Ms. Sheutiapik. the organizers and coordinators who allow our youth to attend tournaments. Member’s Statement 294 – 5(2): Condolences to Grieving Families Young people take great pride in the (Sheutiapik) events which also raises their self- Hon. Elisapee Sheutiapik esteem. I think everyone feels their own (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. esteem rise a little higher. I am very Speaker. In thinking of Nunavummiut grateful to the officials who work and especially Iqalummiut, we have diligently to allow our athletes to attend. more than one funeral happening today Thank you, Mr. Speaker. here in Iqaluit, so I send condolences to those who have lost relatives yesterday. >>Applause

(interpretation ends) I’m also proud to Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. say OHA, the Ontario Hockey Academy; Members’ Statements. I have no more my son was the first to attend. names on my list. Returns to Oral (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Questions. Minister of Justice, Minister Chairman. Ehaloak.

>>Applause Item 4: Returns to Oral Questions

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Members’ Statements. Member for Quttiktuq, Mr. Akeeagok.

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Return to Oral Question 340 – 5(2): resident of my community, Agnowyak Unlawful Property Forfeiture Kilukishak. Welcome to the gallery. Office (Ehaloak) >>Applause Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation She’s chaperoning two students from ends) Good morning to my constituents Pond Inlet. We have two pages here and of Cambridge Bay and Nunavummiut, she’s their chaperone. Thank you and and especially good morning to my please feel welcome here, Agnowyak. granddaughter, Bridgette, who is watching this morning as she is getting >>Applause ready to go on vacation. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. Mr. Speaker, on February 26, 2019 a Member for Rankin Inlet North- question was asked by Mr. Emiliano Chesterfield Inlet, Ms. Towtongie. Qirngnuq, MLA for Netsilik, asked of the Minister of Justice. >>Laughter

“The current business plan of the Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank Department of Justice indicates that it you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to has ‘…worked with other Government recognize a long-time Nunavut reporter of Nunavut departments on allocating who sometimes reports on not so good the funding for the new office.’ news in Nunavut and Nunavik. I recognize the individual who is sitting The question was: right behind me, Jane George. Welcome.

Can the minister clarify what the office’s >>Applause actual budget is for the upcoming 2019- 2020 fiscal year? Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Welcome to the gallery. Recognition of Mr. Speaker, the answer is: Visitors in the Gallery. Oral Questions. Member for Baker Lake, Mr. The budget for the Unlawful Property Mikkungwak. Forfeiture Act is $254,000 for the 2019- 2020 fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Item 6: Oral Questions Speaker. Question 402 – 5(2): Baker Lake Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Economic Development Returns to Oral Questions. Recognition (Mikkungwak) of Visitors in the Gallery. Let me go Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): first. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Item 5: Recognition of Visitors in the Economic Development and Gallery Transportation.

Thank you. I am pleased to welcome a (interpretation ends) As the minister may

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be aware, the hunters and trappers minister indicated, responsible for the organization of Baker Lake has had a Nunavut Development Corporation and long-standing interest in starting a meat the Nunavut Business Credit processing facility to take advantage of Corporation. Can the minister indicate if the muskox population and caribou in ventures of the type that I have just our region; long-term growth prospects described are eligible for support from for the export of our healthy organic either or both of these entities? Thank meat products. you, Mr. Speaker.

The budget for the Department of Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Economic Development and Minister Akeeagok. Transportation’s Strategic Investments Program is over $3.4 million per year. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Can the minister confirm if projects of Speaker. For a proposal for that, what I this nature are eligible for consideration would encourage the community is to under this program? Thank you, Mr. submit preferably a business plan to our Speaker. department, which would lead us to determine which way we would go Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. because there are a lot of different Minister of Economic Development and programs that our department is doing; Transportation, Minister Akeeagok. as you mentioned in your first question, the Strategic Investments Program. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): There are various ways of doing it, so I Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation would encourage receiving a proposal ends) For the meat processing project, from your community. (interpretation) we have meat processing that is Thank you, Mr. Speaker. administered by the Nunavut… . I keep forgetting the name; the Nunavut Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Development Corporation, sorry, one of Your final supplementary, Mr. the agencies that I oversee. That is the Mikkungwak. corporation that we have assigned to conduct for any meat processing plants. Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker. The department is currently working on renewing its overall Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. economic development strategy for Your first supplementary, Mr. Nunavut. Can the minister indicate the Mikkungwak. extent to which the strategy will focus on developing potential in the food Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. processing and export sectors? Thank Speaker. I think the minister got a glance you, Mr. Speaker. of my first supplementary here. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. >>Laughter Minister Akeeagok.

The Minister of Economic Development Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): and Transportation is also, as the Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation

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ends) As it is being developed and it’s Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. drafted, I haven’t seen the details of it, Speaker. This funding is available for but with what you just raised, I’ll any entity that wants to help provide commit to see if that’s part of it and I service to their community. Simply can report back to this House. submit a proposal. Thank you, Mr. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker.

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Oral Questions. Member for Iqaluit- Your first supplementary, Ms. Niaqunnguu, Ms. Angnakak. Angnakak.

Question 403 – 5(2): School Food Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Programs (Angnakak) Speaker. I hope there are a lot of people out there listening that what they have to Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. do is provide a proposal. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Health. Mr. Speaker, a number of my colleagues have addressed the need for lunch Mr. Speaker, it is clear from recent programs in our schools. In the discussions in this House that food community of Iqaluit not only would security, especially for our children and providing lunch to our school students youth, is a concern across the territory. be another positive step towards addressing food insecurity; it would also Following his appearance before the alleviate busing needs as students are Standing Committee on Social Wellness currently shuttled home and then back to to discuss the Department of Health’s school over the lunch period. proposed budget, the minister provided a very comprehensive set of information Can the minister describe what to committee members on information consideration has been given to that is currently provided for breakfast providing funding for lunch programs programs through the community through the community wellness plans? wellness plans. This list includes 44 Thank you, Mr. Speaker. schools across Nunavut and the Cambridge Bay Wellness Centre. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Hickes. Can the minister clarify how the Cambridge Bay Wellness Centre Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. qualifies for school food program Speaker. As I talked about during my funding and how other institutions like appearance during Committee of the the Iqaluit soup kitchen could also apply Whole when this topic came up, this and qualify for breakfast program funding is provided to schools in funding? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. anticipation of a breakfast program, but some schools do utilize these funds to Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. provide some lunch programming as Minister of Health, Minister Hickes. well too.

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If any schools wanted to use that funding different options that could be for lunch programming as well, that’s considered like even hiring somebody to their prerogative. We have provided come and do the work. some of the core funding to get this program going. There are other sources Even though I appreciate it might be a and avenues for schools to raise funds to little bit awkward for the Department of provide food, but one of the Health to be coordinating funding of considerations that typically come up programs that actually enhance our during these conversations is who to run education system, however, we know them. It has been often said that teachers that improving literacy has a positive are there to teach. We need communities impact on health status, so it seems like to be engaged. We need community a fair trade. ownership; people that come forward and help offer to provide programming. Will the minister commit to working with his colleague, the Minister of The high school here in Iqaluit is a Education, to find even more ways perfect example. Not only do they where you can enhance food programs at provide a lunch service a few days a our school-age populations? Thank you, week, but they also provide teaching Mr. Speaker. opportunities for students during the food preparation, the shopping. I visited Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. the cafeteria myself and I have spoken to Minister Hickes. some of the students. One young lady that I was speaking to not that long ago Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. said it has even changed their habits at Speaker. When these issues arise, I know home on what type of foods they it’s not always apparent and I’m sure prepare. She helps her mom shop now to most members know that there is make sure that there are healthy foods in communication that goes on amongst all the house. of us in here, not just cabinet members but regular members as well. We’re There are a number of different avenues always trying to meet the needs of our that people can access that type of community with the resources that we program. Thank you. have available and I’ll continue to work with all of my colleagues, including the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister of Education, on how to make Your final supplementary, Ms. our programs more impactful. Thank Angnakak. you, Mr. Speaker.

Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Speaker. I appreciate the response I got Oral Questions. Member for Gjoa back from the minister. Haven, Mr. Akoak.

I know that there is also a lot of work Question 404 – 5(2): Gjoa Haven done in the preparation by the teachers. Economic Development (Akoak) When I visited the Nanook School, it was the same kind of thing. There are Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Good morning, (interpretation) my a number of good initiatives that we can colleagues. I say “good morning” to all do. the people of Gjoa Haven who are watching the proceedings. I say “good During my recent trip, I also had an morning” to my family and children. opportunity to talk to the president for the Kitikmeot Inuit Association who is Further, the people who have lost loved in the middle of their Inuit impact ones in Pond Inlet and Iqaluit are in our benefit negotiations. I’m optimistic that thoughts. there will be good economic opportunities for the community as a (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, my result of those findings. (interpretation) questions are for the Minister of Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Economic Development and Transportation and they concern the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. issue of economic development for the Your first supplementary, Mr. Akoak. community of Gjoa Haven. Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the minister is well The Department of Economic aware, the discovery of the lost ships of Development and Transportation’s the Franklin Expedition has created great 2019-2020 budget includes just over excitement in the community and we are $1.3 million in funding in contributions hopeful for long-term economic and job- under its Community, Tourism and creation benefits in the area of tourism. Cultural Industries Program.

Mr. Speaker, can the minister describe Given the international exposure that the what support his department is providing discovery of the lost ships of the to the Franklin Interim Advisory Franklin Expedition has had, I think that Committee which has been coordinating it makes sense for the department to a number of community initiatives in work closely with the community in this relation to the discovery? Thank you, area. Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the minister indicate Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. how much funding under this program Minister of Economic Development and has been provided to Gjoa Haven Transportation, Minister Akeeagok. projects during the current 2018-19 fiscal year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. ends) I don’t have specifics in terms of Minister Akeeagok. what support our government has done for that particular committee, but I had a Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. wonderful opportunity to meet with your Speaker. I don’t have the details in terms hamlet mayor and yourself. I’m trying to of which projects have been approved see if we can explore a lot more under that particular proposal-based activities to that community as a result grants and contributions program. I of finding the Franklin. I think there are could commit to going back to the

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member. If they have submitted a well as to my colleagues here. proposal and the member would like to share that with me, I would like to Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the follow up with my department for this. Minister of Economic Development and Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Transportation.

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. As the minister will recall, in May 2018 Your final supplementary, Mr. Akoak. the Department of Economic Development and Transportation Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. contributed $369,720 to a project to Thank you to the minister for the develop the inshore turbot fishery in response. I know that there are residents . The federal Canadian of Gjoa Haven who are interested in Northern Economic Development gaining employment in the tourism Agency contributed $526,130 and the sector. Can the minister indicate how his Hamlet of Qikiqtarjuaq contributed department works with Nunavut Arctic $23,300. College to identify training needs and courses in such tourism-related areas as Mr. Speaker, I represent two non- guide training and hospitality decentralized communities and management? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. investments like this are critical for economic development and job creation. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Can the minister provide an update on Minister Akeeagok. the status of this project to date? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Department of Economic Development Minister of Economic Development and and Transportation, we provide training Transportation, Minister Akeeagok. programs sometimes through Arctic College or our own department does the Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): training. For people who are interested, Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank we provide for training and we will members for their queries today, and I always provide for training in my want to provide adequate responses department. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. when it’s possible to do so.

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. The project our colleague mentioned is Oral Questions. Member for one where I don’t have the details here. Uqqummiut, Mr. Keyootak. However, we will speak to the benefits of the project and to cooperatively work Question 405 – 5(2): Fisheries on the details. With that being the case, I Development (Keyootak) will have to look into this project to determine what the details are and what Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank the history is, and when I have been you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to the briefed, I can then provide the people of Qikiqtarjuaq and Clyde River information to my colleague. who are watching the proceedings, as

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I want to further state that we do our Qikiqtarjuaq project is being funded by utmost to try to provide opportunities to the Department of Economic our non-decentralized communities Development and Transportation. using different funding programs. There However, the Department of are economic development officers in Environment has a fisheries and sealing every community, and I encourage division. Can the minister clarify why everyone to approach their local officers. the Department of Environment has Thank you, Mr. Speaker. responsibility for fisheries and sealing and not the Department of Economic Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Development and Transportation? Thank Your first supplementary, Mr. Keyootak. you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. you, Mr. Speaker. Can the minister Minister Akeeagok. indicate if similar projects are being looked at for Clyde River? Thank you, Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It can be in either of the departments, whether it is Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. within the Department of Environment Minister Akeeagok. or the Department of Transportation. They usually collaborate on files they Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): share. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I urge anyone who wishes to start new projects In terms of the choice, either would to propose the work. Additionally, we work as that is how it was set up. should be in constant communication as However, our collaborative efforts there are different pots of funds that should be promoted further, especially aren’t fully used. There are many when it comes to fisheries as that is one projects and proposals, and it is good to of our priorities in the Department of hear of developments with new Economic Development. As well, it is businesses and initiatives, as well as the also a priority for the Department of project our colleague mentioned where Environment. It is the same on that front. delicacies are produced through our food Sometimes our work overlaps and this is processing plants that can be sold in where we collaborate closely on files Nunavut and globally. I urge you to that originate from either department. tackle these types of projects as my fellow Nunavummiut. Thank you, Mr. We don’t concern ourselves with where Speaker. the project originated from as long as benefits can be realized here in Nunavut, Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. especially when the project is funded by Your final supplementary, Mr. our government, which is useful in these Keyootak. situations. Our departments sometimes work on the same files, but it is done Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank hand in hand with the other department. you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank the That’s our approach. Thank you, Mr. minister for his adequate response. The Speaker.

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Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. in the prohibited communities. Oral Questions. Member for Arviat North-Whale Cove, Mr. Main. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, there is a very unhealthy culture around Question 406 – 5(2): Awareness drinking alcohol in dry communities, Programs on Alcohol and such as Arviat, and it’s contributing to Cannabis Consumption (Main) great social harms. My first question for the minister is: in the prohibited, dry Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, communities of Nunavut, who provides Mr. Speaker. I rise to direct my question awareness and education about the to the Minister responsible for the harmful effects of alcohol? Liquor and Cannabis Commission. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The government issued a news release Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. regarding liquor and it identified to Minister responsible for the Nunavut Nunavummiut the six communities that Liquor and Cannabis Commission, have liquor prohibitions, including Minister Hickes. Arviat. Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Prohibition against alcohol has existed in Speaker. I thank the member for raising our community of Arviat throughout all this issue. It is complicated. Like the of my childhood years, starting from the member states, in dry communities it’s 1970s, which was when communities very difficult to put on promotional or first passed these alcohol prohibitions. educational activities with the perception that you are okaying something that’s In looking at these six communities, it is illegal, but we all know it is happening. quite obvious that alcohol is already present and being consumed. We all We do work very closely with the “Let’s know that even though alcohol is Be Aware” campaign through the prohibited in the community, many Department of Finance. We work very residents disobey the legislation by closely with community wellness breaking the law and consuming alcohol. coordinators through the Department of Health. An example in Arviat, last What is obvious to many citizens when October, just after the middle of the it comes to alcohol is the need to have a month, the 17th, 18th, 19th, there was a forum or a sounding board locally to team from our “Let’s Be Aware” staff provide information on the responsible that went into community, went to a consumption of alcohol, the addictive couple of the schools, met with the qualities, and how it can destroy your health care team, met with hamlet body. council, and did a radio call-in show to promote healthier activities with regard It is as if a barrier exists locally where to alcohol. residents could discuss these issues to resolve them. A systemic barrier seems That being said, it is difficult. When to be there, as if it is too humiliating to people are drinking in a dry community, admit that alcohol consumption occurs they tend to hide, as the member stated.

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To make sure that people are aware, our With alcohol education committees the health centre staff are trained to help focus is where alcohol is permitted. That intervention, to help people deal with being said, there can be requests for their issues. Our addictions strategy that further discussion on developing alcohol was just tabled last fall clearly outlined education committees in dry the availability of resources that we want communities. That is an option. to… . This new budget is going to be bringing additional resources at the One of the things, through our community and regional levels. We want community wellness committee, we’re to make sure that all communities have still in the process of trying to work with access to alcohol education activities. the Hamlet of Arviat to develop that Thank you, Mr. Speaker. committee in Arviat. All communities in the territory other than Rankin Inlet and Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Arviat are established with the Your first supplementary, Mr. Main. community wellness committees. We are currently working to help the Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, communities of Arviat and Rankin Inlet Mr. Speaker. Thank you, minister. to develop theirs. Thank you. (interpretation ends) This is a very complicated issue and just by raising this Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. in the House, I may be perceived as Your final supplementary, Mr. Main. advocating for a change from prohibition. I’ll make it very clear that Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, that’s not my decision. I don’t have a Mr. Speaker. It’s good to hear that type position on the issue. It’s the proactive work. communities’ decision through the plebiscite process whether or not the Based on my understanding of the communities remain dry. language used, cannabis is being sold by the federal government through an My understanding is that in the restricted online vendor and we now have and unrestricted communities, alcohol legislation to this effect. Now, with education committees are set up. I’m respect to the commission, they are no talking about the awareness and longer just a liquor commission as they education function of those committees now administer the cannabis sales within that I think has some value in terms of the territory. I also understand that tracking local use of these substances. Is prohibition does not work in stopping it currently possible to set up an alcohol the consumption of cannabis. education committee in a prohibited community? (interpretation) Thank you, (interpretation ends) There is no option Mr. Speaker. to prohibit the use of cannabis in our communities. Considering that this is Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. allowed in all our communities, will the Minister Hickes. minister commit to starting a conversation with the six prohibited Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. communities across Nunavut to set up Speaker. The member is very correct. alcohol and cannabis related education

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committees? (interpretation) Thank you, the concerns and questions especially on Mr. Speaker. solutions where we query our government on, Mr. Speaker. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Hickes. (interpretation ends) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Minister responsible for the Nunavut Speaker. In a nutshell, yes. With the Liquor and Cannabis Commission. alcohol education committees that we have right now and with the recent Cannabis has been legal in Canada since legalization of cannabis, we’re still October of last year. I believe that it is figuring out all the intricacies, if you important to remind Nunavummiut that want to call it that, on how to mesh those this decision was made by the federal two topics together and with the issue government. Information contained in that cannabis is now legal in all the minister’s recent budget indicates communities where alcohol isn’t. There that “Sales data from the first few is a little bit more complexity to it, but I months of legalization suggests can assure the member that we are government revenues will be modest.” working on that. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, one of the reasons why Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. cannabis was legalized was to take its Oral Questions. Member for Netsilik, sales out of the hands of criminals and Mr. Qirngnuq. provide a new source of revenue for federal, provincial and territorial Question 407 – 5(2): Cannabis governments. Can the minster explain (Qirngnuq) why revenues appear to be lower than Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank expected? (interpretation) Thank you, you, Mr. Speaker. I say “good morning” Mr. Speaker. to my colleagues, as well as to my fellow residents of and the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. residents of Taloyoak. Minister responsible for the Nunavut Liquor and Cannabis Commission, Mr. Speaker, my question will be similar Minister Hickes. to the question posed by my colleague representing Arviat, as he spoke about Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. the challenges faced in his community Speaker. Just to be blunt, revenues are and this matter is in the same vein, as lower than expected because of the well as being part of the same problem. supply issues that have been going on all across the country. This change was initiated by the Members of the Legislative Assembly to With the suppliers that we have on legislate the proposed legalization and contract here in Nunavut, they haven’t some residents disagreed on the been able to keep up with the demand or legislation, but as members we have to the selection that people desire. People work to resolve the problems we face have been looking at alternative ways of within our communities. We try to voice getting the cannabis into the community.

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It’s something that we have been answers to their questions from this working very closely with our suppliers House that apply to our community since to make sure that they’re being able to we are elected to represent our meet the needs for people to legally communities to raise these questions. purchase and so that the taxes that would be accumulated from that are going to (interpretation ends) At present the only Nunavut. way for Nunavummiut to legally purchase cannabis is by purchasing it We want to make sure that people are over the Internet from a single supply one, purchasing legal cannabis so that agent, which is a company named they know the contents in it, that they Tweed. In November of last year the know that there’s no additives. I can’t government issued a request for say it’s a healthy product because it’s expressions of interest for businesses something that’s very contentious, but at that are considering selling cannabis to least to make sure that it doesn’t have Nunavummiut. any impurities in it that are added. There are all kinds of other drugs out there that Can the minister clarify if and when people do add to cannabis in black over-the-counter sales of cannabis will market areas, and one of the purposes of be allowed in Nunavut communities? legalization is to make sure there is a (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. controlled product. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. I would have to say the main issue with Minister Hickes. the lack of revenue that we have anticipated is due to the lack of supply Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. and we have been getting more and more Speaker. Again I appreciate the assurances from suppliers that they’re member’s questions on this line. We did slowly figuring this thing out. We’re not recently sign another agreement with the only jurisdiction dealing with this, another service provider, AgMedica, but because of our population, you can which will be coming online, if it isn’t see the impacts a lot more. Thank you, already. I haven’t had a chance to check. Mr. Speaker. We have been busy the last couple of weeks. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Your first supplementary, Mr. Qirngnuq. That being said, with regard to storefront sales, maybe to supplement the Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank member’s first question, that’s another you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank the issue that we’re finding of why we’re minister. For my supplementary seeing a decrease in revenue than our question, although he partially touched estimates because people can’t just walk upon the subject, I want to ensure this in and buy it. You have to order online, matter is crystal clear in my wait for the mail and everything. If understanding, so I will be asking people want it, they want it now. It is questions about it. something we’re working on the regulations. Our residents want to hear publicly

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As we passed the legislation last June, Speaker. With the resources, it’s the we started then working on the same people that would be working on regulations to allow storefront sales. I that that are working on the regulations can’t give a definite timeline, but I know to make sure that we’re in line with our my officials were meeting on this topic, I projections and with our work according believe, about a week and a half ago. I to legislation. There hasn’t been a lot of have had a number of people who have progress on that front and I wouldn’t be approached me on when we’re going to able to give a timeline. be able to offer that service. My preference would be sooner than later I will say that anecdotally, probably because it would make an impact on the more than proof, we’re not aware of black market sales, so the sooner the many people that have newly started better, in my opinion, Mr. Speaker. smoking cannabis or consuming cannabis. It’s mainly people that have Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. already. It’s just they do have access to Your final supplementary, Mr. legal cannabis now. We’re not seeing a Qirngnuq. spike in usage, again, because we can’t track all the sales in the territory yet, but Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank again, anecdotally we’re not seeing a you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank the spike in usage. It’s the same people that minister for his response. With regard to were smoking cannabis before that are my colleague’s earlier question on smoking cannabis now; just they are able alcohol sales, I just wanted to add to the to do it legally. question about our commission that sells cannabis products as some of our It is something that we will have to adapt residents use this substance for medical and we will have to adjust as time goes purposes. I personally don’t know of on and as more data gets collected. anyone who uses medical marijuana, Thank you. only what I have been apprised of about medical marijuana used in cancer Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. treatment. I am only speaking to what I Oral Questions. Member for Iqaluit- have heard. Manirajak, Mr. Lightstone.

(interpretation ends) Last week the Question 408 – 5(2): Alcohol-related minister announced the establishment of Harm Reduction (Lightstone) a beer and wine store monitoring working group. Can the minister clarify Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. how the government is evaluating the Speaker. My questions today are also for impacts that legalized cannabis is having the Minister responsible for the Nunavut on Nunavut residents and communities? Liquor and Cannabis Commission. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on my Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. colleague Ms. Nakashuk’s questions on Minister Hickes. the 2016 strategy titled “Taking Steps to Reduce Alcohol-Related Harm in Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Nunavut.”

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Mr. Speaker, the action plan sets out his question in his question with the steps that the Government of Nunavut activities that have been ongoing. It’s a will take in reducing harm while complicated process. Even with regard recognizing the necessity for to reporting to the RCMP… . I’m a little departments to work together and tongue-tied myself today, Mr. Speaker. specifically the departments of Finance, Health, Family Services, as well as With regard to people who are buying Justice. over-quantities, we have established guidelines of what we assume to be Mr. Speaker, a number of initiatives regular buying habits and when people were identified, but a few that I would buy outside of that, and last year I like to ask about are how the believe there were a little over 1,800 government will explore ways to support permits that were issued of people the RCMP and support court ordered buying over what we consider normal restrictions on alcohol. buying practices. Those are reported to the RCMP. Mr. Speaker, the government has indicated that it will explore ways to One of the challenges we have with that, better support the RCMP efforts in by the time the permits are issued and reducing harms of alcohol by improving the product is delivered to the people, information sharing and communication it’s after the fact. That’s one of the between the government and the RCMP, issues that we’re continuously working and will also explore ways of how to with the RCMP and the Department of support court ordered restrictions on Justice on how to figure out how to use alcohol by considering whether the that data so that they can target the black permitting system could help reduce market sales of alcohol. That’s just one alcohol-related harm by supporting court example. ordered restrictions on alcohol, and exploring ways to increase I can’t get into every little detail. I’m not communication between the courts and sitting at that table with those people the permit system with respect to who are working on the different aspects alcohol-related limitations, restrictions, of where they are in all those categories and prohibitions for individuals in the that the member mentioned. I would territory. have to talk with my officials and get back to the member with details on I would like to ask: since 2016, what where we are in all those steps. Thank progress has been made on these specific you, Mr. Speaker. initiatives? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Your first supplementary, Mr. Minister responsible for the Nunavut Lightstone. Liquor and Cannabis Commission, Minister Hickes. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It’s shocking what the Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. minister has indicated, that over 1,800 Speaker. The member answered most of permits were shared with the RCMP last

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2748 year with regard to excessive amounts of stands now, individuals convicted in the liquor being purchased, but I’ll reiterate court can leave the court and then walk my question. down the street to our permit office and secure a liquor permit to import products As the GN has identified in this 2016 into the territory. strategy, there’s a need to support court ordered restrictions on alcohol. I would I would like to ask today if the current like to ask again whether there is beer and wine store is also supporting collaboration between the Nunavut court ordered restrictions and whether or Court of Justice and the GN liquor not individuals that currently have court commission’s permitting system and ordered restrictions prohibiting them whether or not those that currently have from consuming alcohol are able to restrictions on alcohol are being denied purchase beer and wine at our beer and liquor permits. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. wine store. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Hickes. Minister Hickes.

Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I haven’t been updated Speaker. The member was correct in his on... . I know it’s one of the issues that preamble. I will get that information they have been trying to figure out how back to him at a later date. Thank you. privacy and make sure that how that report itself would look like, what kind Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. of structure, what type of information Oral Questions. Member for Aggu, Mr. would be in. I’m not up to speed on Quassa. exactly what stage that’s at right now, Mr. Speaker. Again, I’ll have to get back Question 409 – 5(2): Letter to the member with that specific data. Concerning Mr. Johannes Rivoire Thank you. from France (Quassa)

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Your final supplementary, Mr. Mr. Speaker. My question this morning Lightstone. is for our Premier.

Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. As he will recall, at the beginning of the Speaker. I appreciate the minister’s session, I asked a question about Father response and I do look forward to Johannes Rivoire and the minister receiving more information on that at a indicated that he would write a letter. I later date. Considering the minister’s would like to get an update this morning response, I’m sure that he will not be from the Premier. Thank you, Mr. able to immediately respond to my next Speaker. question, but I also look forward to receiving that information at a later date. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Premier of Nunavut, Premier Savikataaq. Mr. Speaker, it appears to me that as it

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Hon. Joe Savikataaq (interpretation): site. Does Arctic College have a plan to Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the that effect? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. member for asking that question. I indicated that I would write a letter, so I Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. did and I will table it in the House this Minister responsible for Nunavut Arctic morning. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. College, Minister Hickes…Minister Netser. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Your first supplementary, Mr. Quassa. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s a good thing I asked >>Laughter that question so that we will know that it is going to be tabled. Thank you. I’m We are currently working with the mines sure that the people of Nunavut who are to see where employees can benefit. We affected by this look forward its tabling. get third party funding and we are It had a great impact to see this on TV working with the mines regarding and hear on the radio. On behalf of the training. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. people of Nunavut who have been affected, I am happy to express my Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. thanks. I look forward to seeing a letter Your first supplementary, Mr. Main. as we represent all Nunavummiut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I understand correctly, Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. I there are no plans about mine training at didn’t hear a question; it was just a this time, but it is being worked on. If I comment. Oral Questions. Member for recall correctly, Arctic College has only Arviat North-Whale Cove, Mr. Main. one employee who is working on mine training. Mining is a big thing in Question 410 – 5(2): Mine Training Nunavut. Plans (Main) For example, we have the turbot fishers Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, where they have the (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker. Thank you for recognizing fisheries and training consortium. me again. My question is for the (interpretation) I’m looking at a similar Minister responsible for Arctic College. type of a body created to deal with mine training. We hear that the Department of Yesterday my colleague was asking Economic Development is working on it. about mine training, and if I recall At this time I would like to know if correctly, he asked the minister if there Nunavut Arctic College supports this are any plans in this area. In Nunavut we idea and how. Thank you, Mr. have the regions of the Kitikmeot, Chairman. Kivalliq, and Baffin where they all have mines. We’re looking forward to seeing Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. some kind of a plan on mine training for Minister Netser. those interested in working at a mine

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Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): inviting independent outside agencies Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Arctic College, involved in the training sector for the Economic Development, and Family mining industry. If any agency expresses Services are working together because an interest and if Nunavummiut will we would like to see the young people of benefit, are other agencies that want to Nunavut working, as the mining sector is provide training in this sector welcome quite large. There is mining activity at to do so? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mary River, Rankin Inlet, Baker Lake, and the Kitikmeot. We will be working Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. hard on this as we would like to see a Minister Netser. decrease in the number of imported employees. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. ends) I think the Nunavut fisheries Your final supplementary, Mr. Main. training consortium is doing a great thing for the people of Nunavut. I often Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, see some of my constituents…the other Mr. Speaker. Thank you to the minister. day I saw very pleasantly one of my It is great news to hear that the nephews that lives in Baker Lake now department is working on this file and came here to take that course at the that they are aware of it. Nunavut fisheries training consortium office here. When they come out of that Now, when one looks at the program, they get jobs within shipping (interpretation ends) Nunavut Fisheries companies. Yes, we welcome that very and Marine Training Consortium, much and I understand that the (interpretation) it is an independent Department of ED&T is working on that agency. They do work in conjunction particular file, which we will support with Arctic College. Nonetheless, it is from the Arctic College standpoint. completely independent, overseeing the (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. program, designing the modules for training, but what I have noticed… . I Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. can’t even say it in English. It seems Oral Questions. Member for Aggu, Mr. they are wrestling away the education Quassa. and training in this area. Question 411 – 5(2): Mine Training NAC should be saying, “No, as Arctic Centre (Quassa) College, we will provide the training, so you shouldn’t be doing the training.” I Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, have seen a few cases where this Mr. Speaker. Thank you for recognizing occurred in past years before the me again. This is on the same subject of minister was assigned to this portfolio, college operational issues, much like my but he is now responsible for it. colleague just queried the minister about, which I want to complement. I wonder if the minister is willing to announce the fact that this training sector Based on a previous statement, when I is wide open or actually, that he is first moved to this side, I thank the

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Minister responsible for Economic this is something we also want to see Development for the invitation to the realized within Nunavut where we have mining conference. While attending the a specific mine training centre. Thank conference, we saw and met with many you, Mr. Speaker. mining companies, and several companies expressed their need to hire Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. more Inuit employees. Nonetheless, Your first supplementary, Mr. Quassa. there wasn’t enough training offered to address their needs, such as Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, (interpretation ends) engineering Mr. Speaker. Indeed this is a vision we (interpretation) and many other fields all want to see realized. This government inherent in mining operations. We were shouldn’t wait for development to occur informed that they would love to hire but proactively prepare prior to more Inuit. developments, especially when mining companies want more Inuit employees During the last event when we were with the mining sector already up and invited to the opening in Mary River, we running. They want to hire more Inuit to were informed about the new 800-person work in the technical sectors as per camp that was recently completed. We previous agreements reached with also stated our desire to have that many regional Inuit associations, such as QIA, Inuit hired in the mine to reach the 800 on the targets for Inuit employment level. which are laid out within these agreements. I reiterate my previous question to be more pertinent to today’s challenge of Along with Arctic College, we should be getting a (interpretation ends) mine fulfilling this need by offering relevant training centre, (interpretation) which training to the many young people and was originally in the Kitikmeot and I fellow citizens who have no prospects of believe it was later moved to Rankin jobs or employment. Perhaps if they Inlet. I forget some of the details, but I received training, they could be gainfully ask if the mine training centre will be employed. This is why I asked about built. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. when the (interpretation ends) mine training centre (interpretation) is Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. opening. Has the minister contemplated Minister responsible for Nunavut Arctic that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. College, Minister Netser. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Minister Netser. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, as per my previous comment, the mining sector is a Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): major part of our economy and we want Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank to see residents… . Let me repeat, we you for asking about this matter. Now, want to see more Nunavummiut as to the exact timing of the opening of a gainfully employed or even to be in (interpretation ends) mine training management. We are working towards centre, (interpretation) the only one we this goal. Although it seems rather slow, have is located in Rankin Inlet. What is

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2752 that term? There are (interpretation ends) Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. simulators (interpretation) there to train Minister Netser. the students on the equipment already in use. It can be so realistic you imagine Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): yourself actually working in a mine. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation This is in use today. ends) There’s an adage that says, “Give a man a fish and you feed him for life. Just recently in December there were 12 Teach a man how to fish and he becomes students who took the simulator course independent.” Our goal is to have an in Rankin Inlet for the developing mine independent Nunavut that is not reliant there and we should be proud of the 12 on social assistance. students, as they completed their training and will now be employed, I imagine, at Mr. Speaker, through these programs we that mine. There are four already are going to achieve our Nunavummiut working, based on my understanding, into becoming independent and they another four are waiting for confirmation don’t have to depend on government of employment, but I was told things are handouts. It’s a great thing to see when a progressing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. person who has lived on social assistance, especially in the smaller Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. communities where the mining sector is Your final supplementary, Mr. Quassa. the main employer, it’s great to see young people going to work and coming Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, home and providing for their families. Mr. Speaker. One’s ears perk up when you hear certain gold mining companies Mr. Speaker, these are the paths that such as (interpretation ends) Agnico we’re taking and it’s going to take a Eagle Mines (interpretation) stating that while, but we will get there. they would like all of their employees to (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. be Inuit with long-term visions as their basis. I share the vision they have of Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. wanting to employ an entirely Inuit My colleagues, please note that the time workforce up there. for question period has expired and therefore we will proceed with the orders With that as the basis, I previously of the day. Returns to Written Questions. mentioned and repeated that the income Replies to Opening Address. Petitions. support clientele, if you understand my Responses to Petitions. Reports of dialectal word, there are numerous Standing and Special Committees on clients in that program. Now my Bills and Other Matters. Tabling of question is: will Arctic College be able Documents. Minister of Justice, Minister to identify funds to set up mine training Ehaloak. and looking at communities with high levels of income assistance and targeting Item 13: Tabling of Documents those communities to set aside funds for mine training and any other employment? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tabled Document 137 – 5(2): Speaker. I wish to table today a Department of Justice’s Response collection of correspondence concerning to the Standing Committee on the issues that I raised in my member’s Oversight of Government statement today regarding the Operations and Public Accounts’ correctional centres in Nunavut. Thank Report on the Review of the 2016- you, Mr. Speaker. 17 Annual Report of the Legal Services Board of Nunavut Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. (Ehaloak) Tabling of Documents. Member for Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak (interpretation): Arviat North-Whale Cove, Mr. Main. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) I am tabling the Department of Tabled Document 140 – 5(2): Justice’s response to the Standing Photograph of CGS Shop in Whale Committee on Oversight of Government Cove (Main) Operations and Public Accounts’ Report on the Review of the 2016-17 Annual Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Report of the Legal Services Board of Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) They Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. say a picture is worth a thousand words, so maybe I should be bringing more Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. pictures in here and I can be quiet more. Tabling of Documents. Premier of Nunavut, Premier Savikataaq. >>Laughter

Tabled Document 138 – 5(2): Letter to Mr. Speaker, I am tabling a picture of Prime Minister Regarding the CGS shop in Whale Cove. My Extradition of Father Johannes constituency assistant took this picture Rivoire from France (Savikataaq) and it’s in bad need of replacement. I don’t say “repair” because I believe it Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. was built in the 1950s, so I don’t think Speaker. I committed to writing a letter any further repairs are cost-effective. It’s to the Prime Minister about Father in bad need of replacement in the Johannes Rivoire and I am pleased to community. (interpretation) Thank you, table the support letter to the Prime Mr. Speaker. Minister regarding the extradition of Father Johannes Rivoire from France. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Tabling of Documents. Notices of Motions. Member for Arviat North- Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Whale Cove, Mr. Main. Tabling of Documents. Member for Iqaluit-Niaqunnguu, Ms. Angnakak. Item 14: Notices of Motions

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notice that on Friday, March 8, 2019, I (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. will move the following motion: Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. I move, seconded by the Hon. Member The motion is in order. To the motion. for Iqaluit-Sinaa, that pursuant to the All those in favour. Thank you. All those provisions of Rule 3, that when the opposed. The motion is carried. Thank House concludes its present sitting, it you. shall be adjourned until May 28, 2019. Motions. First Reading of Bills. Second Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I Reading of Bills. Consideration in will seek unanimous consent to deal with Committee of the Whole of Bills and my motion today. (interpretation) Thank Other Matters. Bills 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, you, Mr. Speaker. and 21 with Mr. Rumbolt in the Chair.

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Also, in accordance with the authority Notices of Motions. Notices of Motions provided to me by Motion 17 – 5(2), the for First Reading of Bills. Motions. committee will stay in session until it Member for Arviat North-Whale Cove, reports itself out. Mr. Main. >>Applause Item 16: Motions >>Laughter Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time I seek Before we proceed to the Committee of unanimous consent to deal with my the Whole, we will now break for lunch motion today. Thank you. and return at 1:30 and commence with the committee meeting. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. The member is seeking unanimous Sergeant-at-Arms. consent to deal with his motion today. Are there any nays? There are no nays. >>House recessed at 11:50 and Please proceed, Mr. Main. Committee resumed at 13:30

Motion 031 – 5(2): Extended Item 19: Consideration in Committee Adjournment (Main) of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Chairman (Mr. Rumbolt): Good afternoon, members. I would like to call (interpretation ends) I move, seconded the committee meeting to order. In by the Hon. Member for Iqaluit-Sinaa, Committee of the Whole we have the that pursuant to the provisions of Rule 3, following items to deal with: Bills 13, that when the House concludes its 15, 16, 17, 18, and 21. What is the wish present sitting, it shall be adjourned until of the committee? Mr. Main. May 28, 2019. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you,

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Mr. Chairman. We wish to continue with Before we get started, I would like to ask the review of Bill 15 and the 2019-2020 Minister Ehaloak to please introduce her main estimates, starting with the witnesses. Department of Justice, followed by the departments of Economic Development, Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Finance, and Arctic College. Thank you, Chairman. To my right I have Deputy Mr. Chairman. Minister Bill MacKay and to my left I have Mubashir Mahmood, who is the Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Are Director of Corporate Services. Thank we in agreement that we first deal with you, Mr. Chairman. Bill 15? Chairman: Thank you, Minister Some Members: Agreed. Ehaloak. As I just stated, we left off with the opening comments being completed. Bill 15 – Appropriation (Operations & Maintenance) Act, 2019-2020 – I will ask members to please keep to the Justice – Consideration in budget and try to keep the details not too Committee great, if there are other ways to give more detailed questions in other venues Chairman: Thank you. I would now such as written questions and whatnot or like to ask Minister Ehaloak: do you oral questions. have officials that you would like to appear before the committee? Minister With that, I will now open the floor for Ehaloak. any general comments. If there are no general comments, we will go to page E- Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. 4 for the Department of Justice. Chairman. Yes, I do, Mr. Chairman. Directorate. Ms. Towtongie.

Chairman: Thank you. Does the Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. committee agree to let the minister’s Chairman. The Department of Justice officials go to the witness table? draft 2019-2020, this year, main estimates indicate that the positions in Some Members: Agreed. the department’s Directorate Branch is expected to increase [by] 4.0 from last Chairman: Thank you. Sergeant-at- year, 2018-19, to 49.0 for this year, Arms, please escort the witnesses in. 2019-2020. This is almost an increase of 10 percent. Why are these new positions Thank you. Yesterday we left off and we being created? Thank you, Mr. completed the opening comments for the Chairman. Department of Justice. Before we get started, I want to remind members that I Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. will again exercise my right as the Chair Minister Ehaloak. of the committee that I will give members only one opportunity to speak Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. to each line item or each page. Chairman. I thank the member for the question. Some of the positions that are

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being created in the Department of Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Towtongie, Justice are from our Therapeutic Justice if you could clarify your page number, Program. Some of our community please. Thank you. justice outreach workers who are contracted to the municipalities will be Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. becoming Government of Nunavut Chairman. It’s on page 54 in the employees, and also the creation of our priorities for 2019, “Work with the forfeiture office. Thank you, Mr. Federal Government to identify funds Chairman. for diversions for therapeutic treatments and traditional Inuit counselling for Chairman: Thank you, Minister accused persons and offenders.” My Ehaloak. Ms. Towtongie. question is: what types of agreements or negotiations for funding with third Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. parties are in place this year? Thank you, Chairman. How many positions in the Mr. Chairman. Department of Justice’s Directorate Branch are currently vacant? Thank you, Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. Mr. Chairman. Minister Ehaloak.

Chairman: Thank you. Minister Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ehaloak. Chairman. The third party funding that she is referring to is under Community Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Justice. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. In our Directorate Branch we have three vacant positions. Thank you, Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. Mr. Chairman. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman. I don’t have very many Ehaloak. Ms. Towtongie. questions on this section, but I do want to ask the department if they could tell Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. us the number of PYs that are in senior Chairman. In the business plan, page 54, management throughout the department it talks about negotiating for funding that are in acting positions. Thank you, with third parties and participating in Mr. Chairman. negotiations relating to federal/territorial agreements. I would just like an example Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. of what types of agreements they are. Minister Ehaloak. That’s my final question, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. Chairman. Just one position. Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Chairman.

Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman. What was the page number Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. again, please? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr.

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Chairman. For Corrections, is that the Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. same? How many people are in acting Chairman. Yes, we do. I have a list that I senior management in the correctional can present to the members if the facilities across Nunavut? Thank you, member so wishes. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Minister Ehaloak. Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa.

Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman. None at the moment. Thank Mr. Chairman. I asked that question you, Mr. Chairman. earlier because I think it relates to a lengthy list that you aren’t able to name Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. off right now. What is the approximation? I just want to hear about Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. this example of (interpretation ends) Chairman. Can the minister tell us how family abuse, (interpretation) which I many traditional Inuit counsellors we think applies more to elders. About how have for the BCC? Thank you, Mr. many elders are there? Can you provide Chairman. this information to us, even if it’s at a later date? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Minister Ehaloak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have two positions. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. For the total of Nunavut, we have what we call emergency protection Chairman: Thank you, Minister orders. The number of applications we Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. received was 63. The number of applications granted was 60. The number Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, of applications revoked was three. The Mr. Chairman. Welcome. The question I number of applications varied was four. would like to ask is regarding the I have these broken down by region, if (interpretation ends) Family Abuse the member so wishes. Thank you, Mr. Intervention Act. (interpretation) We Chairman. have heard about elders not being taken care of properly. I think that is why this Chairman: Thank you, Minister Act was created in the Legislative Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Assembly. My first question is: do you know if people have broken regulations Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, in this Act since it was enacted in Mr. Chairman. For that list, do you work Nunavut? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. with the Department of Family Services? In Igloolik I recently heard that there Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. was some kind of intervention taking Minister Ehaloak. place by the Department of Family

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Services. This person was not behaving has this project on our legislation work towards elders. These are handled by plan and we expect to have a bill Family Services. If they break the law, prepared for this mandate. Thank you, does the Department of Justice end up Mr. Chairman. taking them over? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you. I think the minister only answered part Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. of my question. Which area would need Chairman. The Department of Justice to be reviewed? What exactly are the works closely with Family Services and proposed changes you are considering? I the Department of Health when it comes hope that was understandable. Thank to victims who are under our Family you, Mr. Chairman. Abuse Intervention Act. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the Family Abuse Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Intervention Act one of the things that Mr. Chairman. I also thank you for the Department of Justice would like to helping us to completely understand that. review is the lack of the use of the We will expect that list. I’m sure the community intervention orders. Thank Department of Family Services is well you, Mr. Chairman. aware of this as well because they work closely together. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. I’m going to now switch to English. (interpretation ends) Your department’s Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, draft 2019-2022 business plan indicates Mr. Chairman. She stated that they will that one of its priorities for the 2019- be reviewing the community 2020 fiscal year is to “Review the intervention orders. Do they have that in Family Abuse Intervention Act and every community? Thank you, Mr. Territorial offences legislation for Chairman. necessary updates.” Which specific concerns with these statutes have been Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. identified? (interpretation) Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Chairman. The Department of Justice Minister Ehaloak. will work with the community justice committees in the communities to work Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. on this issue. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. The Department of Justice

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Chairman: Thank you, Minister Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): Chairman. We’re slated to hire three Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I new Inuit employees in 2019-2020. would like to ask about the business plan Thank you, Mr. Chairman. on page 54 at the very bottom. It says that the Department of Justice wants to Chairman: Thank you, Minister increase Inuit employment. Personally as Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. an MLA, I think that if Inuit are bilingual in Inuktitut and English, they Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): should be able to work in any position. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Now I want to ask about the three new My first question is that the Department employees. I was also a member of the of Justice knows how many employees Fourth Legislative Assembly, but we they have in total. They include Nunavut passed the Civil Forfeiture Act. In the beneficiaries and non-Inuit. My question upcoming year’s operational funding, on the operations and maintenance how much funding is allocated towards budget for this coming fiscal year is: the civil forfeiture office? Thank you, how many Inuit are you contemplating Mr. Chairman. to hire? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I stated in response to one Chairman. Our short-term goal for the of our member’s questions the other day, 2019-2020 year is that the number of for the 2019-2020 budget, we have employees is expected to reach 121 full- allocated $245,000 for the forfeiture time employees, which is 47 percent office. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Inuit representation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): With regard to setting up the office, Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I we’re looking at $245,000, which is a would like to ask further so that we will big amount. How many Inuit are you be very clear. You indicated that there going to be employing in the forfeiture are 121 employees. How many positions office? Thank you very much, Mr. will be slated towards Nunavut Inuit that Chairman. you will be trying to hire? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Mr.

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Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. when the office is going to affect all of Chairman. The civil forfeiture office will Nunavut? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. have three positions within its office and one of them will be an Inuk employee. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak.

Chairman: Thank you, Minister Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. Chairman. I agree with the member that we should hire more Inuit. We’re hiring Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): the one Inuk because it is just setting up Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. the office for now, but in the future we Can the minister respond: why will you will hire more. Thank you, Mr. have only one Inuk working in the Chairman. forfeiture office? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon and Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. welcome, Mr. Mubashir Mahmood for Chairman. The reason for one Inuk his first appearance here in the employee is this office is new. For now Legislative Assembly. in the 2019-2020 budget, we have three positions, but in the future we will be I would like to begin on a bit of a looking at hiring more PYs in this disappointing note here. Reviewing the department. I’m positive that there will department’s budget, it appears that be more Inuit hired in the future. The there is very little change and much of it three positions that we’re hiring for now is being recycled from previous years’ is just to start up and set up the office. budgets. I would just like to enquire: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. how much of a contribution have program managers put into the Chairman: Thank you, Minister development of this year’s main Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. estimates? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I Minister Ehaloak. don’t agree with the minister’s response. When you’re setting up an office, it’s Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. going to have an effect on all the people Chairman. Under the Corporate Services of Nunavut and the majority of the Branch we work with the Department of population is made up of Inuit. There are Finance, and in the other branches we do 25 communities and the first language of work with our senior managers. Thank the majority of people in these you, Mr. Chairman. communities is Inuktitut. I would like to see two Inuit working there instead. Has Chairman: Thank you, Minister the minister taken that into consideration Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone.

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Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to Directorate, Chairman. I hope that that is in addition almost everything is identical outside of to the three prior. I would like to enquire the salary increase. Is there the further: what sorts of efforts has the expectation that the Directorate’s minister undertaken so far in 2018-19 expenditures this year will not change as and going into 2019-2020 to encourage well? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. more employees? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Minister Ehaloak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, it won’t, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Department of Justice Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. works with our employees and encourages education leave so that they Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. can advance within the department. As Chairman. I would like to move on to the Minister of Justice, I totally support my next topic and that’s Inuit and agree that we should train and employment in the department. Last encourage our employees to go on year, in my written question on education leave so that they can advance education leave, it was identified that the themselves within the department. department had a total of three Thank you, Mr. Chairman. employees on education, one of which being Inuit. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. I would like to enquire if the department has put any effort into encouraging more Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. employees to take advantage of the Chairman. I thank the minister for that education leave program and if the response and I do appreciate what the department has seen an increase this year minister is trying to do. in employees participating. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Last year when the minister was before the Committee of the Whole, it was Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. identified that the Baffin Correctional Minister Ehaloak. Centre had very low Inuit participation in that facility. I would like to enquire: Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. what has the minister done to date since Chairman. In the 2019-2020 year we this last appearance to encourage more have two or three employees who will be Inuit employment in the BCC? Thank applying for education leave. Thank you, you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Minister Ehaloak. Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr.

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Chairman. As I have stated previously year program, the first year being time and time again, working in our general justice education. It will corrections facilities, being a corrections introduce the students to justice careers. officer can be very stressful, but the There will be three streams, I think, department does work with Nunavut paralegal, courts, and then corrections Arctic College to create a diploma and for the next year, you can specialize program under public safety careers. The in one of those three. The concept is that department also works with the Nunavut this will be a two-year program. Law School Program, and we do initiate peace officer training through Nunavut We’re hoping that we can get something Arctic College. Thank you, Mr. going. We’re looking now at September Chairman. 2020, but that’s our hope and right now we’re looking for ways to fund that. Chairman: Thank you, Minister We’re approaching Makigiaqta as well Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. as looking at the Nunavut Implementation Panel. As you know, Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. there was a settlement with Canada Chairman. Thank you for that response, where they provided funding for minister. I would like to just request a education and training for Inuit. We’re little bit more detail on the work with hoping to access funding for this Arctic College on what the minister and program through either of those sources. the department has done to date. When Thank you. can we expect to see this type of justice training be provided to our Chairman: Thank you, Mr. MacKay. communities? Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Chairman. Thank you for that response, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. MacKay. I’m really pleased to hear that the department is making some Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. progress in this area and I’m sure, once Chairman. Through you, I would like to the program is rolled out and those ask my deputy minister to answer Mr. individuals do complete that, it will Lightstone’s question. Thank you, Mr. begin making a difference. Chairman. I would like to return to what some of Chairman: Thank you, Minister my colleagues have brought and that’s Ehaloak. Mr. Mackay. the Family Abuse Intervention Act. I have the feeling that the Act itself is not Mr. Mackay: Thank you for the common knowledge in our territory. I question. I just thought I would give a was wondering: who is responsible for little more detail about the program that communicating the aspects of this Act to we’re trying to develop with Nunavut the general public and giving them the Arctic College. What it is, is we’re knowledge of the powers of the Act and looking at putting together a diploma what it can do to protect them? Thank program that will train. It will be a two- you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. I would like to enquire: what would be Minister Ehaloak. the best way to communicate the Family Abuse Intervention Act and the powers Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. that it has to those individuals who are Chairman. Through our community currently suffering from that type of justice outreach workers and with our abuse? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. assistance from our department, we train them on the Family Intervention Act and Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. we also get them to work within the Minister Ehaloak. community with other stakeholders and the public. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Through the Family Abuse Chairman: Thank you, Minister Intervention Act we also work with the Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. RCMP, we work with Family Services, and we work with the Department of Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Health. Chairman. I would just like to request a little bit more detail on the Act itself. If a family member, and it could be Who is the target group that is intended anybody, it could be a man, woman, or to benefit the most from this Act? Thank child, feel that they’re being abused and you, Mr. Chairman. they need help through our emergency protection orders or community Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. intervention orders, we work with them Minister Ehaloak. to ensure that their safety is the main concern. Anyone can come to the Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Department of Justice and we will help Chairman. This Family Abuse them to prepare these orders. Intervention Act is to help victims. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The community justice outreach workers will work with multiple departments so Chairman: Thank you, Minister that we can ensure that their health and Ehaloak. Mr. Main. Sorry; I’m getting safety is our priority. Thank you, Mr. ahead of myself. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman.

Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman. As the minister had Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. previously indicated, the Act gives the power for the ability to use protection Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. orders to prevent abusers from Chairman. My last question on the committing more offences to the victims. Family Abuse Act: when RCMP In that instance I’m assuming it is members do their community outreach women and children fleeing from and visit our schools, do they inform domestic violence. That’s what I was children and youth about the aspects of trying to enquire as to who the Act is the Act and what it can do to protect intended on protecting. them? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman. Regarding the new three- member special victims unit, the RCMP Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. will establish one corporal Chairman. Yes, they do. Thank you, Mr. supervisor/investigator and two Chairman. constable investigators. This unit will be based in Iqaluit and will be the support Chairman: Thank you, Minister team for the entire territory. Thank you, Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman. Thank you for the response. I Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. would like to just move on and request some updates on some of the initiatives Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. the department had requested last year. Chairman. The minister had requested The first one, the department had this special victims unit to be created requested $1.9 million for RCMP radio April 1, 2019 or the current fiscal year, upgrades to replace outdated radio which is almost over. Why have these systems. I would just like to begin by positions not been filled and why is the asking for an update on the outcome of special victims unit not up and running? that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Minister Ehaloak. Minister Ehaloak.

Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this time we’re still going Chairman. The positions are filled through the federal procurement process. except one. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone.

Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The next one I would like to Chairman. I’m glad to hear that two of request an update, last year the the positions are filled and I’m sure that department requested three additional jobs will keep their hands quite full. I positions for the special victims unit, would like to request that the minister which investigates sex crimes and provide us with updates going forward improves overall enforcement in that on that special victims unit, but for the area. I would like to request an update time being I’ll move on to the next item. on that initiative. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Last year the department added Inuit- speaking employees in six communities. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. I would like to request if that had been Minister Ehaloak. accomplished and, if so, how many communities currently have Inuktitut-

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speaking individuals in the detachments. that are with the RCMP. For this year Thank you, Mr. Chairman. going forward, are there any specific positions and in which specific Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. communities would they be going to Minister Ehaloak. under this Inuit employment plan? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I’m happy to say that there are six Inuktitut-speaking employees Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. who are frontline in the RCMP stations, Minister Ehaloak. who actually answer the phones, and they are in Arviat, Cape Dorset, Coral Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Harbour, Kugluktuk, Pangnirtung, and Chairman. The increase within the Pond Inlet. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. communities, as I stated earlier, are community justice outreach workers. Chairman: Thank you, Minister They are contracted with the hamlets and Ehaloak. Mr. Main. they will become Government of Nunavut employees. We also have the Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, community justice outreach program that Mr. Chairman. Welcome, minister and is starting in Cambridge Bay, and most your officials. of those will be Inuit employees. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department wants to increase Inuit employment numbers. In reading Chairman: Thank you, Minister (interpretation ends) your Inuit Ehaloak. Mr. Main. employment plan on page 81, this is kind of a unique priority. I don’t know that I Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, have seen it with any other department Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I and it seems to speak to the idea of will ask for more information on the decentralized jobs. It says, “Increase justice outreach worker thing, but I will Department of Justice positions in the ask it later on in the pages. communities where Inuit representation is higher.” In terms of the pilot project in Cambridge Bay, it indicates here on And then in the status update on page 81 page 54 of your business plan that it is a it talks about a bunch of different things three-year justice pilot program starting that were done, but specifically this year. The fact that it is a three-year regarding increasing “Department of pilot program, does that mean we have Justice positions in the communities to wait three years until we could see a where Inuit representation is higher,” I similar program or an additional note that it continues on page 83 for this program set up in other communities? year’s priorities that is in there and the (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. next year it’s still in there. Chairman.

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Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. program through the Hamlet of Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Main, for Cambridge Bay. Social, health and your question. Not necessarily. This is justice resources are available within the funding from the federal government for community. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. a three-year project, and we’re hoping that this project will be very successful Chairman: Thank you, minister. Mr. so that we can approach the federal Main. government for more funding for other communities. Instead of a three-year Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, program, we can negotiate for a longer Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I program for this Therapeutic Justice guess that’s what I don’t understand Program. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. because it sounds like yes, there are resources available in Cambridge Bay Chairman: Thank you, Minister already and that things are quite strong Ehaloak. Mr. Main. there in terms of local justice capacity. Anyway I don’t want to get into the Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, details, but I’ll just leave that as a Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I’m comment. I don’t quite understand the going to be blunt here. Why was decision-making process there. Cambridge Bay chosen? I would think that if we’re putting federal funds My last question on this branch is the anywhere, it would be into Cape Dorset, bullet that’s on page 55, “Work with which my understanding is it has one of Law Enforcement to identify the highest per capital crime rates. I’m community-based policing solutions.” not meaning to insult the community in It’s government type language. What are any way; it’s just a fact in terms of the we talking about when we talk about crime rate. I would think that if we get community-based policing solutions? extra money from the federal It’s a priority again in this year, so it government, we would put it where it’s appears that these policing solutions needed the most, which would be into a haven’t been identified yet, and then in higher crime rate community. I’m just the next year there will be implemented wondering what the decision process community-based policing solutions. was in terms of selecting that specific (interpretation) I would like to know pilot project. (interpretation) Thank you, exactly what that is talking about. Thank Mr. Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Minister Ehaloak. Minister Ehaloak.

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Nunavut. The RCMP met with RCMP. That’s why it’s always going to stakeholders on this and have been be identified in our business plan. working with resources to guide those that are involved. Thank you, Mr. Things that are community-based Chairman. policing examples, I guess, of community-based policing initiatives Chairman: Thank you, Minister include like in a simple level, the RCMP Ehaloak. Mr. Main. participating in community events. For example, in Iqaluit here the RCMP holds Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, an elders’ lunch every year and has a Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Toonik Tyme event as well, then just on Community-based policing solutions, a minor level having the police involved I’m just looking for one or two specific in communities in terms of coaching things that are community-based hockey or whatever. That’s encouraged policing solutions, please, that have been by the management of the RCMP. identified. (interpretation) Thank you. Ultimately what we would like to see is Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. an alternative to policing in some Minister Ehaloak. communities to the RCMP, which would be community-based and be policing by Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. community members. It would be maybe Chairman. Through you, I would like to doing things that are not high-level ask my deputy minister to give a detailed crimes but just sort of lower level answer for Mr. Main. Thank you, Mr. policing which community members can Chairman. do. We sort of have a version of that with by-law officers, but we would like Chairman: Thank you, Minister to kind of expand that into communities Ehaloak. Mr. MacKay. and have communities take on more of the policing role. Thank you. Mr. MacKay: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the question. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. MacKay. Community-based policing solutions are Mr. Main. an ongoing discussion we have with the RCMP and with justice stakeholders. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, What we mean by that, community- Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) based policing solutions are ways to get Thank you for that additional the community more involved and information. I was wondering about the participating in crime prevention and by-law officers and the community policing within the community. constable positions because we’ve had those in the past. For one reason or Every year that’s going to be a priority another, we don’t seem to have those for us because that’s something we’re community constable positions anymore, working on so that there is more but it’s encouraging to see that this is community-based policing within the something that’s still being discussed communities. That’s why it’s part of our and it’s on the table. It’s not a question; shared directional statement with the it’s just a comment. (interpretation)

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have always said that the routings Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Mr. between Gjoa Haven and Cambridge Akoak. Bay are very poor and if a person that is being abused, if they cannot find a home Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. for them, they would have to wait two or Good afternoon, minister and staff. three days to fly into Cambridge Bay. Now, my question is: who looks after I just want to go back to a little bit of them during those two days that they are Mr. Lightstone’s questioning on waiting for a plane to transfer them to a community justice outreach workers. safe place? Where will they be housed? Yesterday when we had the family services minister up, I had asked about The RCMP has told us that they have housing people who were homeless or tried looking for places and are unable to needed safe shelters. They had said that find a place for them. Now, does Family they were working with the justice Services or the justice department look department. after them, and how do they look after them when there’s no direct or In your comments, protection orders immediate resource for the abused were provided by the community justice family? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. outreach worker. In that sense, do they find homes for the people who are in Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Akoak. trouble where there are absolutely no Minister Ehaloak. safe shelters in smaller communities? Do they find homes for them? Thank you, Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. Chairman. With the assistance of the RCMP, Family Services, and Justice, Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Akoak. there are safe homes in the communities Minister Ehaloak. which are private. They’re secret so that if an individual is fleeing from the home Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. and requires a few days to stay in a safe Chairman. The Family Abuse home until they can be, let’s say for Intervention Act is to help people who example, moved to Cambridge Bay to are abusing their loved ones or their the women’s shelter, there are safe children, and that’s what the Family homes within the community that can Abuse Intervention Act is. If a mother help until the family is moved to a and child have to flee from their home women’s shelter. Thank you, Mr. for an extended period of time, I know Chairman. that in the Kitikmeot the Cambridge Bay women’s shelter has taken these Chairman: Thank you, Minister individuals from other communities so Ehaloak. Mr. Akoak. that they can be held safe. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to confirm, there is a safe home in Chairman: Thank you, Minister Gjoa Haven? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ehaloak. Mr. Akoak.

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Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Akoak. What were the results of your Minister Ehaloak. department’s reviews of the Legal Services Board and the Human Rights Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Tribunal? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. Yes, there is. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Akoak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. That was just a specific Thank you, minister, for the response. review on the funding itself. It wasn’t a My next couple of questions left. You’re review on the actual work of the Legal department’s draft 2019-2020 main Services Board or the Human Rights estimates indicate that the proposed Tribunal. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. budget for the Legal Services Board is $11,818,000, which is unchanged from Chairman: Thank you, Minister the 2018-19 fiscal year. I would just like Ehaloak. We are on Directorate. Total to know: why has the budget for the Operations and Maintenance, to be Legal Services Board remained exactly Voted. $18,285,000. Agreed? the same? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Some Members: Agreed. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Akoak. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you. Next is E-5. Law Enforcement. Are there any Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. questions? Mr. Main. Chairman. The reason there is no increase in the Legal Services Board is Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, because they get a contribution as well Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I from the federal government of understand this is under contract $500,000 every year. Thank you, Mr. basically with the RCMP, but I’m Chairman. looking for the department’s position on the issue of Inuit RCMP officers. Is the Chairman: Thank you, minister. Mr. minister satisfied with the current Akoak. amount of Inuit employment within the RCMP? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. My last question is your department’s 2018-2021 business plan indicated that Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. one of its goals for the 2018-19 fiscal Minister Ehaloak. year was to “Conduct a review of organizations receiving departmental Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. contribution agreements to ensure that Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Main, for they are providing the best possible your question. I’m just as concerned as services and maximizing the funds you are, and I’m not happy with the provided.” amount of Inuit officers we have in Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman: Thank you, Minister Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Ehaloak. Mr. Main. Thank you, minister, for that. I mean money talks, right? If it would help, if Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, you look into it and you find something Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) that has potential, I would encourage Thank you, minister. My understanding you to pursue that aggressively. is that the number of Inuit officers in Nunavut is in the low single digits now, In terms of what the RCMP is doing, but through a meeting we did have with they end up dealing with a lot of mental the RCMP, there are efforts underway to health issues and mental health cases. increase that number, so that’s What types of training do RCMP encouraging. officers generally have to deal with mental health or individuals who have In terms of issues that maybe the mental health issues? (interpretation) department can contribute on, one of the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. issues to my understanding is the pay that is paid to the RCMP officers is not Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. competitive compared to other Minister Ehaloak. opportunities available here in Nunavut. Is the government looking at either Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. bonuses or ways to get around that Chairman. The RCMP officers take de- issue? escalation training. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand it’s very difficult for the RCMP to change their pay structure. Chairman: Thank you, Minister They’re a federally governed Ehaloak. Mr. Main. organization. Is the department looking at ways to put more money into the Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, pockets of officers who are, say, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) bilingual? (interpretation) Thank you, Does that de-escalation training include Mr. Chairman. training related to depression and specifically around the target or the age Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. of folks that tend to have the highest Minister Ehaloak. suicide rate, which are young males? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. The pay scale of our RCMP officers is administered by the RCMP, Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. but we will take your consideration Minister Ehaloak. seriously and we will look into it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The RCMP members receive Chairman: Thank you, Minister extensive training in crisis intervention Ehaloak. Mr. Main. and de-escalation techniques to resolve crisis situations. They do take extensive Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, training. Addressing the mental health

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needs of individuals in communities Chairman. requires empathy, patience, and awareness on the part of the first Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. responder. Through crisis intervention Minister Ehaloak. and de-escalation techniques, many mental health crisis situations can be Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. managed with decreased risk to the Chairman. In discussions with the public and police officers. Thank you, commanding officer, we will continue to Mr. Chairman. look at this option. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Main. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Main. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, When it comes to the whole staffing Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Are issue, I forgot I was going to also there any specific details around this? mention that if we could find a way to Are there any plans for a trial in a encourage RCMP officers to stay in their community? (interpretation) Thank you, communities longer than three years, my Mr. Chairman. understanding is that that’s an option that’s available to the RCMP officers, Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. but it’s very rarely exercised. I don’t Minister Ehaloak. know. You compare a police officer who has been in a community for 20 years Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. and knows everybody to an officer who Chairman. Not at this moment. Thank has been in a community for two years you, Mr. Chairman. and maybe is just finally getting a feel for the community and has to leave soon, Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Main. I think that there are clear advantages to having police who actually have a long- Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, established track record and I think it Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) It would make our policing a lot more would have been helpful if the minister effective. just responded that way to my first question. You’re looking at it. It’s I just have one last question and it’s on difficult when we have to wade through the use of body cameras. We received that type of language. Either you have a correspondence on this from one of our trial planned or you don’t. That’s just a colleagues on this specific matter. The comment and it is a little disappointing Minister of Justice in this to hear that it’s not being looked at. correspondence referred to the use of these types of body cameras has not Just a closing comment on law really been tried out yet. I would just enforcement, in both Arviat and Whale like to see if there are any plans for Cove the police are very active in the specific trials or pilots with body community. I have seen them at cameras. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. community events and really appreciate

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2772 the hard work they do. I think some of Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, the things that they’re doing, Mr. Chairman. All 25 communities have participating in events with youth and elders. Do all of the communities have a trying out foot patrols around the person available to act as an interpreter community are, I think, very beneficial like you said? All communities have and I just wanted to put that in there as a elders. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. compliment to those staff. (interpretation) I’m done, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Thank you. Minister Ehaloak.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Chairman. Like I stated earlier, six communities have frontline Inuktitut- Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, speaking staff. If the RCMP requires the Mr. Chairman. Now, also in the plans it assistance of helping an individual who states that every year you will work doesn’t speak English, they will go harder to make sure that the Inuktitut within the community for assistance for language is understood by the police and interpreters. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. to have the Inuktitut language spoken and used more in the police force. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. We have heard that RCMP stations now have Inuktitut-speaking people working Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, on staff. What do these employees do? Mr. Chairman. I understand now that Are they administrators? Are they your department is fine with police interpreters? What do they do? Thank officers who can’t speak Inuktitut or you, Mr. Chairman. who are not learning or receiving any training at all. What I seem to Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. understand is that they will forever be Minister Ehaloak. dependent on interpreters, even though the Inuktitut language is very important Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. in Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I’ll give an example. If you call the RCMP and you’re an elder, the Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. person who picks up the phone will be Minister Ehaloak. an Inuktitut-speaking employee who can assist the elder and then translate to the Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. RCMP if the elder requires assistance of Chairman. We do encourage the RCMP the RCMP. If an RCMP officer has to officers within our communities to take deal with an elder who doesn’t speak some Inuktitut training. Thank you, Mr. English, this employee will be able to Chairman. translate for the elder so that the elder is understood. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you.

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Yes, I advocate for that more because of year for the RCMP contract. course that needs to be done. The (interpretation ends) Your department’s majority of people the RCMP officers 2019-2020 (interpretation) main serve are Inuit and I believe in some estimates indicate that your department cases communities are made up of up to has allocated $45,844,000 to the RCMP. 90 percent Inuit. Let’s be aware of that. It has increased by 6.6 percent from the 2018-19 fiscal year. What’s the main Let me move on to something else. You reason for the increase? Thank you, Mr. have also indicated that (interpretation Chairman. ends) peace officer training (interpretation) is offered through Arctic Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. College. I would like more information Minister Ehaloak. on that. I know the minister here is not the Minister responsible for Arctic Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. College, but I would like to ask: is this Chairman. Part of the huge increase is actually progressing? Have you seen the funding that we’re requesting to people being trained as peace officers? replace eight staff housing units. Thank Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Minister Ehaloak. Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa.

Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman. The Department of Justice Mr. Chairman. The increase of 6.6 will be working with Nunavut Arctic percent is quite high. I’m sure the RCMP College to prepare this program and we have proper staff housing. will be working with them to ensure that this peace officer training we can create In the 2019-2022 business plan it and help those Inuit who want to become indicates that “There are 162 RCMP employees of the Department of Justice positions in Nunavut…” I probably through the various divisions. We will don’t really understand this repeated work with Arctic College to ensure that statement, (interpretation ends) we can have this for Nunavummiut. “…including regular RCMP officers, Once we have the details of how the civilian and public servants.” program will be outlined and when it (interpretation) I’m sorry but I have to will start, I can promise the members speak English sometimes. It indicates that I will ensure that this House is that they have created 11 new positions aware. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. in this branch from 2018-19. What is the purpose for the increase? Thank you, Chairman: Thank you, Minister Mr. Chairman. Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Mr. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Quassa, your phone may be too near to Mr. Chairman. We will expect that then your microphone. It’s causing a little bit because it’s very important. Our of interference. Minister Ehaloak. government pays a lot of money every

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Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The increase in the RCMP Chairman. Yes, through the division is for…I’m just trying to find municipalities the by-law officers do my notes here. …for five constable support the RCMP and the RCMP do positions, six… . support the by-law officers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Sorry. The increase is five special constables and three regular members Chairman: Thank you. Next is Mr. for the territory’s sex crimes special Qirngnuq. victims unit, two informatics radio stations and six administrative person Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank years. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome to the minister and your officials. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Some of my questions were already posed, so I’ll ask a brief question. How Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, many police officers do we have in total Mr. Chairman. I apologize for my phone in the smaller and larger communities in causing the interruption. Nunavut? I would like to get that information, hence my question, Mr. It’s very good to hear that special Chairman. Thank you. constables are a part of it. We used to have special constables in the past where Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Qirngnuq. many Inuit were special constables. We Minister Ehaloak. would like the Nunavut government and especially your department to encourage Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. that. We would like to see more Inuit Chairman. The amount of RCMP working in that field. That’s what people officers in our communities is: Clyde in the communities are asking for, to River has two; Sanikiluaq has two; Hall have more Inuit working as police or Beach has two; has two; Gjoa constables in the community, as it was in Haven, three; Taloyoak, three; the past. Kugaaruk, two; , two; Grise Fiord, two; Resolute Bay, two; I have one more question, Mr. , two; Pangnirtung, three; Chairman. Now, the communities have Qikiqtarjuaq, two; Naujaat, two; Whale these positions called by-law officers. Cove, two; and Chesterfield Inlet, two. There are positions in most communities Thank you, Mr. Chairman. and the RCMP are the actual police officers. Do you encourage the by-law Chairman: Thank you, Minister officers in the communities to help and Ehaloak. Mr. Qirngnuq. support the local RCMP? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll add to my Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. colleague’s earlier comments. I want to Minister Ehaloak. ask about Inuit RCMP officers, as I don’t believe we have any of them. Yes,

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2775 based on my knowledge, there are no Inuit to consider this field. It may Inuit RCMP officers based in my occasionally show, but we rarely hear community. I would like to refer to the when initiatives are being offered. question of the past practice raised by my colleague when he spoke about I wonder if there are any promotional (interpretation ends) special constables ads for the RCMP career training (interpretation) in English. What plans opportunities for students completing does the RCMP have to perhaps consider high school. Is it only available online if these types of positions can be where people can view the ads or is it established in the communities? If there available in a written pamphlet? Thank are no plans for this, as RCMP officers you, Mr. Chairman. require specialized training that takes several years, I wanted to understand if Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Qirngnuq. there are any initiatives in this area. Minister Ehaloak. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Qirngnuq. Chairman. The division has a full-time Minister Ehaloak. recruitment specialist who is looking to increase our Inuit numbers and also Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. assist with special constables within our Chairman. In speaking with my deputy communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. minister, they’re done through the RCMP and they just appoint them with Chairman: Thank you, Minister the support of the municipality. They Ehaloak. Mr. Qirngnuq. appoint them as special constables. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have another Chairman: Thank you, Minister question related to that matter, but I want Ehaloak. Mr. Qirngnuq. to move to a different subject. When RCMP officers are assigned to the Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank communities, I imagine that they are you, Mr. Chairman. I also thank you for contractually obligated to comply with the appropriate response. That is good to the assignment. At least I imagine that is hear about. Now, about the RCMP the only reason they arrive. training, I would want to see more opportunities for this kind of training When they are scheduled to arrive, what available. This is just a comment, albeit type of orientation is provided to the fairly lengthy, so it may not come RCMP officers to enable them to across. understand the community? They are just there to provide what I call in What kinds of encouragement or English (interpretation ends) peace promotional messages are there to try to officer (interpretation) services only. recruit more Inuit in the smaller What kinds of agreements do they have communities to think of careers in this to abide by before they arrive into the field? We never see any kind of communities in terms of providing advertisement or promotional ads asking policing services? Are they sent to our

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2776 communities with this information? Mr. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank Chairman, I hope my question was clear. you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for your Thank you. answer, deputy minister, as the answer was very clear. Now, in thinking of that Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Qirngnuq. as it applies to our community, the Minister Ehaloak. RCMP sometimes have the opportunity to provide more assistance, but we rarely Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. see any kind of voluntary or public Chairman. Through you, I would like my training initiatives, especially with crime deputy minister to answer Mr. prevention work with local youth. That’s Qirngnuq’s question. Thank you, Mr. why I’m asking the question. I think Chairman. police officers should do more to help with crime prevention. That’s just a Chairman: Thank you. Mr. MacKay, comment, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. please go ahead. Chairman: Thank you for your Mr. MacKay: Thank you, Mr. comment. Ms. Towtongie. Chairman. RCMP members for Nunavut are selected from the greater RCMP Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank population and typically they will apply you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) to serve in Nunavut and then they’re My question is the current 20-year assessed by the commanders here on Canada-Nunavut Territorial Police whether they would be a good fit for Service Agreement was signed in 2012. Nunavut. That includes interviews with This agreement provides for a contract them to see if they are open to the management committee. How often does culture of Nunavut and whether they the committee meet and how does it take would fit in with the small communities into account concerns raised by that they would serve into just to make municipalities regarding such issues as sure that they would be a good fit for the number of officers posted to those communities. detachments? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Once they come here, they do get some Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. training in sort of the history of Nunavut Minister Ehaloak. and Inuit culture. They get some of that training and some language training Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. before they’re deployed to their Chairman. The committee has two community. assistant deputy minister meetings and two officials’ meetings per year. Thank There’s no specific agreement that they you, Mr. Chairman. sign, but they do have an employment contract, of course, with the RCMP, Chairman: Thank you, Minister which includes a code of conduct that Ehaloak. Ms. Towtongie. applies to all RCMP. Thank you. Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. MacKay. Chairman. In 2016-18 the Government Mr. Qirngnuq. of Nunavut and the RCMP shared a

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2777 directional statement and it was tabled in investigate those and the special victims this Legislative Assembly on November unit is up and running and there are three 8, 2016. When will the 2019-2021 positions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. shared directional statement be ready for tabling in the Legislative Assembly? Chairman: Thank you, Minister Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ehaloak. Ms. Towtongie.

Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman. I thank the minister for her response. My final question is the Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. minister has excellent staff in Chairman. The document will be tabled Chesterfield Inlet. They smile and the in the fall of 2019. Thank you, Mr. crime rate in Chesterfield Inlet is down. Chairman. However, in Rankin Inlet it’s a slightly different story. Chairman: Thank you, minister. Ms. Towtongie. I read in the draft 2019-2022 there are efforts to increase the RCMP capacity to Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. communicate in the Inuktitut language. Chairman. Last year the Minister of How about the frontline receptionist that Justice’s opening statements to the answers the phone? The Chesterfield standing committee stated that the Inlet municipality requested a minister’s department’s 2018-19 main receptionist that was bilingual in both estimates indicated that a new Nunavut- English and Inuktitut. In Rankin Inlet we based special victims unit was being do not have that, even though she is an established to enhance the RCMP’s excellent receptionist. ability to investigate sex crimes. As of today, what is the status of the new Are there specific goals taken to ensure special victims unit? that the frontline, other than the RCMP receptionist, learn Inuktitut? That’s my The other MLA from Arviat North said final question. Thank you, Mr. that our youth are really into computers, Chairman. Facebook; we call them punngajut, lowered down. Does that special victims Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. unit take into consideration in the cyber Minister Ehaloak. world, pornography or luring children into pornography? Is there a unit that Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. deals with that within Nunavut? Thank Chairman. Thank you for the question. you, Mr. Chairman. Due to the funding restraints that we have within our funding from the federal Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. government, we do have difficulty trying Minister Ehaloak. to hire all Inuktitut-speaking frontline staff, but with meeting with the federal Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. minister, we are trying to come up with Chairman. Yes, the special victims unit an agreement just for Nunavut itself. takes that into consideration. They do

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There is funding that other jurisdictions Chairman: Thank you, Minister can apply for and it’s called the First Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. Nations police funding. Unfortunately Nunavut is not a part of that, so we have Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): been working in discussing with the Thank you very much. In the business federal minister for a special fund for plan on page 58 for 2019-2020, the third Nunavut so that we can create more bullet states, “Crime reduction through programs and services for intelligence led by policing and crime Nunavummiut, and one of them is the prevention strategies.” How is that being hiring of Inuktitut-speaking frontline done? staff. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To use Baker Lake as an example, with Chairman: Thank you, Minister an open alcohol ordering system and Ehaloak. Before I go on to the next name with the federal government legalizing on my list, we will take a 10-minute cannabis, from last year to now, Baker break. Thank you. Lake has been largely affected. I want to know how communities that are going >>Committee recessed at 15:01 and through this can get more assistance. resumed at 15:16 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Welcome back, members. I Chairman: Thank you, Mr. would like to call the committee meeting Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. back to order. We will continue on, on page E-5, which was Law Enforcement. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. The next person on my list to ask Chairman. The RCMP will work with questions is Mr. Mikkungwak. the community justice outreach workers to come up with crime prevention Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): strategies within the community. Thank Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman. My colleague asked this question already, but I wanted to know how many Chairman: Thank you, Minister police officers there are in Baker Lake Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. and how many are allocated for the community. I didn’t hear the earlier Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): answer, so if the minister can identify Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As the Member for Baker Lake, I tend to notice the fact that our RCMP officers Chairman: Thank you, Mr. are continually busy and aren’t able to Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. keep up, and sometimes they are so busy that they can’t answer the calls. The calls Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. sometimes go unanswered and currently Chairman. I don’t have a number for they are extremely busy with calls. I’m Baker Lake, but I can get the wondering if the Department of Justice information to the member. Thank you, can place more priority on this front, Mr. Chairman. obviously, for our community of Baker Lake. We want residents to have a

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healthy lifestyle and we want our fellow This is my last question. In Baker Lake residents to be happy and healthy. we have a local legal aid or justice outreach worker. They work with local My question now is the minister elders to develop a strategy for the mentioned the plans earlier that they community and they know the were going to contemplate their options community intimately. for Baker Lake. When will this initiative appear in Baker Lake? Thank you, Mr. The Department of Justice has said that Chairman. they will support the initiative for 2019- 2020. On the same page you state that Chairman: Thank you, Mr. you will strengthen the supports you Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. provide and also provide support to the committees in terms of requesting funds Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. as an allocation for communities that are Chairman. The RCMP division here in most impacted. You know some of these Iqaluit has looked at Baker Lake as a numbers. priority for an extra police officer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. How can you communicate better with the population? What is the Chairman: Thank you, Minister communication plan? Thank you very Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. much, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. The crime rates have indeed increased dramatically in Baker Lake. Some Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. residents are still unable to converse in Chairman. Through our community English being unilingual Inuit. Will this justice outreach workers, we do work also be considered? Thank you, Mr. with different departments and the Chairman. municipality and encourage our justice staff to make the public aware of the Chairman: Thank you, Mr. support that they can get through the Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. Department of Justice. We work diligently with community justice Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. outreach workers when they need Chairman. As Minister of Justice, that’s support through our department here in one of the top priorities that is on my list Iqaluit. We do community justice to ensure that our frontline staff are outreach worker training. Thank you, Inuktitut-speaking for our Inuit Mr. Chairman. population. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): Chairman. My first question, the Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. minister is requesting additional funding

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to replace outdated staff housing for counterparts. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. RCMP members. I would like to enquire what is going to happen with the eight Chairman: Thank you, Minister units that are due to be replaced. Thank Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Chairman. Can you give an example of Minister Ehaloak. when an RCMP member would update the list? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Because these units are Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. “unreparable,” they will be demolished. Minister Ehaloak. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman. If the individual is convicted within the court system, they can be Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. listed under the sexual offenders list. Chairman. Now, the minister had stated Thank you, Mr. Chairman. “unreparable.” Is there no chance that these could be surplused and then Chairman: Thank you, Minister repurposed? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman. For these individuals who are convicted, can you give us some Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. examples of what sort of court orders Chairman. No, these buildings are that they would be receiving? Thank beyond their lifecycle. Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Minister Ehaloak. Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Through you, I’ll ask my Chairman. I’ll move on to my next line deputy minister to answer Mr. of questioning. I would like to enquire: Lightstone’s question. Thank you, Mr. who in the department is responsible for Chairman. updating and maintaining Nunavut’s registered sex offender list? Thank you, Chairman: Thank you. Mr. MacKay, Mr. Chairman. please go ahead.

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interference against a child, obviously Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. the types of orders would be that you can’t go work in a school or be within a Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. certain distance of a school or work with Chairman. My next question is: when an children. It’s specific to the individual individual does receive court orders and and the offence, but those kinds of is put on this registered offender list, and restrictions would be placed on the the individual is then released into a person. community, who is responsible in the Department of Justice or the RCMP for The other part of it too is once you’re in notifying the school faculty that these the sexual offenders registry, you can’t individuals are not allowed to be within apply for a record suspension. A record a certain parameter of the school itself? suspension is something that is given to Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you after a certain amount of time. I think it is five years. You can apply for a Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. record suspension and have that Minister Ehaloak. removed from your criminal record, the conviction, but if it’s a sex offence, it Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. remains visible if you have to do an Chairman. When an offender is admitted enhanced record check to work, for into a Nunavut correctional facility, an example, in a school or with children. admissions and release plan is created Thank you. for the offender.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. MacKay. When sexual offenders are being Mr. Lightstone. released from the Corrections Division, the Corrections Division contacts the Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. RCMP and the victims of the offender. Chairman. I would like to request an Public notification to the community or update on the current number of schools is at the discretion of the RCMP. individuals that are on the registered sex offender list. As well, the minister had If there is no concern that the offender indicated that it appears like the may be a dangerous offender at risk of individuals are on there for life. How far reoffending, there is a national flagging back does the current registry go? Thank system to ensure that the appropriate you, Mr. Chairman. person at the federal level can pursue that designation if it is appropriate. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman. Unfortunately we don’t have that information right now, but we can Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. definitely try to find it for the member. Chairman. Corrections notifies the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. victim and the RCMP and it’s at the RCMP’s discretion whether or not to Chairman: Thank you, Minister notify the public. I would l like to ask:

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how often does the RCMP notify the Education and the school faculty to public and when was the last time that ensure that those registered child sex this occurred? Thank you, Mr. offenders are not allowed within the Chairman. premises or property of a school. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Minister Ehaloak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It doesn’t happen very often. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. As Minister of Justice, I can say yes, we can share that information Chairman: Thank you, Minister with the RCMP to ensure that schools, Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. daycares, anyone who is involved with the youth or children be notified. Thank Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. That is what I feared. I had suspected as much and I do believe that Chairman: Thank you, Minister when a registered child sex offender is Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. released into a community, it is everyone’s right to ensure that parents Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. and children are made aware. I would Chairman. I cannot thank you enough, like to request that the minister seek and minister. I am really pleased to hear that. encourage the RCMP to use this ability It feels like it has been quite a battle over more often. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. the last year to get this information out. I really do believe that you’re moving in Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. the right direction in that avenue. Minister Ehaloak. Earlier today I brought up a question to Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. the minister of the liquor commission Chairman. The Department of Justice regarding the alcohol harm reduction will look into that. Thank you, Mr. strategy and how in 2016 it was Chairman. identified that there needs to be more communication between court services Chairman: Thank you, Minister and the liquor commission to support Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. court orders on the prohibition of consumption of alcohol. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When I was looking at the I would like to ask the minister: since regulations around the National Sex 2016, what sort of progress has been Offender Registry, it’s at the discretion made on that initiative and to date does of the police force to share that listing the Nunavut Court Services share those with who they see fit. I would like to ask court orders with the Nunavut Liquor the minister if she believes that it would Commission? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. be ideal for the RCMP to share that information with the Department of Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone.

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Minister Ehaloak. The minister’s response was that the government has been engaged and will Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. continue to be engaged with these Chairman. They don’t share that with groups to determine if improvements can them, but we can make sure… . I mean be made to the oversight of serious we can work on it with them. Thank you, incidents and investigations. I would just Mr. Chairman. like to ask the minister to clarify what exactly that response means. Thank you, Chairman: Thank you, Minister Mr. Chairman. Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman. Once again thank you so much, minister. I’m really grateful to Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. hear that there’s going to be some Chairman. As the minister, I did progress made there. seriously look at that issue regarding the standing committee’s concerns and I’m I would like to bring up another topic totally in agreement. The department is and before I do so, I would just like to working on options as to what the state that I’m extremely grateful for the intergovernmental review would look role that the RCMP plays in our like and hopefully at least by the fall we communities and what they do to ensure can come up with options and the safety of everyone. I cannot thank recommendations for these reviews. them enough for that service. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

My next line of questioning is going to Chairman: Thank you, Minister be regarding the document that the Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. minister tabled this morning in response to the Standing Committee on Oversight Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. of Government Operations and Public Chairman. Once again I thank the Accounts’ report of the review of the minister for that response. I would like 2016-17 Annual Report of the Legal to seek just a little bit more clarification. Services Board of Nunavut. The minister’s response indicated that the government has been engaged with a One of the recommendations that the number of these groups. I would like to standing committee made was that “the enquire: which groups has the minister Government of Nunavut enter into had the opportunity to meet with? Thank exploratory discussions with the you, Mr. Chairman. Government of Alberta concerning the advisability and practicability of entering Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. into an intergovernmental agreement for Minister Ehaloak. the use of the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team to investigate serious Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. [incidents] occurring in Nunavut Chairman. Through you, I’ll ask my involving the Royal Canadian Mounted deputy minister to answer that question Police.” as he has been meeting with these

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various groups. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman. I do appreciate the deputy Ehaloak. Mr. MacKay. minister’s response. Has any consideration been put forward Mr. MacKay: Thank you, Mr. regarding a pan-territorial oversight Chairman. This has been an issue that committee, including Nunavut, the has been in front of us for some time NWT, and Yukon, to create our own now, so I have had the opportunity to northern civilian police oversight body? meet with a number of different I do believe that Yukon has a great idea organizations. We have spoken to with using Alberta, but I also believe ASIRT and the discussions are ongoing. that it might be beneficial to have As you know, the NWT also doesn’t northerners on that board as well. That’s have civilian oversight, so we’re also my question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. talking to the NWT to see if there is something we can do with them or with Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. ASIRT to come up with something; Minister Ehaloak. again, just discussions. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. We also had a fairly in-depth discussion Chairman. Yes, those will be in with the Civilian Complaints Review discussions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Commission for the RCMP. That’s the oversight body that exists right now for Chairman: Thank you. We are on non-serious incidents. We were talking Justice. Law Enforcement. Total to them about maybe expanding their Operations and Maintenance, to be mandate to serious incidents within Voted. $45,844,000. Agreed? Nunavut. That’s something that they’re thinking about right now. Some Members: Agreed.

Another option we’re looking at is we Chairman: Thank you. We are now on have talked to Manitoba, their civilian page E-6. Justice. Lawyer Support oversight board, as well as Quebec. We Services. Are there any questions? Okay. are in discussions with a few different Total Operations and Maintenance, to be independent civilian boards. One thing Voted. $3,550,000. Agreed? we aren’t really considering seriously right now is to have a Nunavut-based Some Members: Agreed. civilian oversight board. It’s not totally off the table, but I don’t think it’s really Chairman: Thank you. We are now on realistic for Nunavut to have one given page E-7. Justice. Registries and Court the size of the jurisdiction. Services. Are there any questions? Ms. Towtongie. That’s sort of a summary of where we are at. Thank you. Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For the year 2019- Chairman: Thank you, Mr. MacKay. 2020 it indicates that the courts will

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increase in cost from $61.0 million to investigations. Thank you, Mr. $67.0 million in 2019-2020. The Chairman. increase is 10 percent. What kinds of programs will they be establishing? Chairman: Thank you, Minister Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ehaloak. Mr. Main.

Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) On page 63 of your business plan it talks Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. about the Family Support Program in Chairman. The increase is the two terms of child support payments and it divisions get 8.3 percent increase in mentions that “There are currently compensation and benefits and the approximately two hundred and seventy increase is for courts to fund the six one open family support files.” positions that relate to the four judicial officers and two court transcribers. This is an area that has been identified as Thank you, Mr. Chairman. problematic by a constituent of mine in terms of trying to collect on child Chairman: Thank you, Minister support payments. It’s problematic when Ehaloak. Ms. Towtongie. the parent who is supposed to pay child support leaves Nunavut. It’s complicated Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. and maybe could use improvement. Chairman. My final question, the budget for the Office of the Chief Coroner is I wonder if the minister could unpack funded through your department’s that number, 271 open family support Registries and Court Services Branch. files. Is that a number that’s on the On March 19, 2014 the 2011 Annual increase? Does it mean that 271 persons Report of the Office of the Chief Coroner are providing payments? What does that was tabled in the Legislative Assembly number mean? (interpretation) Thank by the Minister of Justice. However, you, Mr. Chairman. since that time, no annual reports have been tabled. Will the minister commit to Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. resuming the practice of tabling the chief Minister Ehaloak. coroner’s annual report in the Legislative Assembly? Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. The 271 that the member is referring to is the amount of applications Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. we have within the Maintenance Minister Ehaloak. Enforcement Program. There are 271 within the maintenance enforcement Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. where an individual has to pay for child Chairman. I thank the member for the support. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. question. The main reason why the coroner’s annual report has not been Chairman: Thank you, Minister filed since 2011 is the coroner’s office Ehaloak. Mr. Main. does not file reports until completion of

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Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, a mother, for example, who do they go Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) to for more information on this program Thank you for explaining that. Out of and how is it communicated? those 271, how many of them are being, (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. I don’t know what the terminology is, Chairman. fulfilled or how many are actually being followed? (interpretation) Thank you, Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Mr. Chairman. Minister Ehaloak.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman. If a mother wants to contact or get an application to the maintenance Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. enforcement office, they can approach Chairman. All those 271 applications are their community justice outreach worker in arrears. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. and they will assist them to ensure that their application is filled out probably Chairman: Thank you, minister. Mr. and then sent to the maintenance Main. enforcement team here in Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) If Chairman: Thank you, Minister the minister could explain that a little bit Ehaloak. Mr. Main. more in terms of what being “in arrears” means. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman. Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Just a suggestion in terms of communicating Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. the fact that this program is delivered Minister Ehaloak. through the community justice outreach workers, if this could be something that Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. would be promoted, it could maybe help Chairman. The 271 that I mentioned is to address issues like child poverty in people who owe or are a part of the terms of empowering single parents to Maintenance Enforcement Program, and try to get more child support money for some are currently paying and some are their children. not paying. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In terms of the Justice of the Peace Chairman: Thank you, Minister Program here, if the minister could give Ehaloak. Mr. Main. us a quick overview of what the current capacity is within the Justice of the Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Peace Program. There have been Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I references made to there are not enough realize this is a small line item. I don’t JPs; they have too much work. I would want to spend too much time on it, but if just like a little bit more information on a parent wishes to seek out to establish a that. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. maintenance order and try to seek out Chairman. child support, who do they go to? If it’s

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Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. that program and to take that training to Minister Ehaloak. get up to a level 4 where they can do a lot of the work that judges do. Thank Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. you. Chairman. Through you, I would like my deputy minister to answer Mr. Main’s Chairman: Thank you, Mr. MacKay. question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Main.

Chairman: Thank you, Minister Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Ehaloak. Mr. MacKay. Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I’m going to skip ahead to page 66 under the Mr. MacKay: Thank you, Mr. land titles office. Again, this was an Chairman. Thank you for the question. issue that was brought to me by a The Justice of the Peace Court in terms constituent. of…I think the member was asking about the capacity of the court. There are My understanding is that it’s currently three full-time Justice of the Peace quite difficult to access information positions. One is currently vacant and under the land titles office from outside we have a Justice of the Peace of Iqaluit. It’s a lot easier if you’re here Appointment and Remuneration and you can walk into the office and deal Committee, which is advertising right with the staff in person. I’m just now for a third legally trained Justice of interested to hear if that has been the Peace. Those three are all based in communicated to the department. Is this Iqaluit. a concern?

And then there are community Justices Land titles are a technical thing. It might of the Peace that are in most be people who are investing in real communities and those are generally estate. Is this something that has been community members who are trained to highlighted? I note that the department is be Justice of the Peace, though not planning to build an investor education technically legally trained, and they are website, so perhaps that’s tied to this trained and get assigned a certain level difficulty or I may be mistaken. Just a of expertise between one and four and little bit more information regarding land that determines what kind of things they titles and accessing from outside of can handle. Iqaluit. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The program is something we’re trying to expand and make more effective to Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. take some of the burden off the court Minister Ehaloak. system, but that’s basically what we mean when we’re saying that it’s not at Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. capacity. We are short one full-time JP Chairman. Through you, I would like the and then the community Justices of the deputy minister to answer the question. Peace are basically a volunteer position. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I mean they do get paid per diem, but it can be a challenge to recruit people into Chairman: Thank you, minister. Mr.

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MacKay. Chairman. It’s for providing a space for Nunavummiut to access educational Mr. MacKay: Thank you, Mr. materials on investments, financial well- Chairman. Thank you, member, for the being, and identifying fraud. It will assist question. We don’t usually get a lot of in creating healthier financial situations questions about legal registries, but for Nunavut families. Thank you, Mr. you’re right that there are often concerns Chairman. that the filing of land titles documents from outside Iqaluit can be complicated. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Land titles can be complicated generally. Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. Most landholders live in Iqaluit and the ones that are outside of Iqaluit, perhaps, Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. have more difficulty than the ones in Chairman. Business plan, page 63, one Iqaluit. of my colleagues did touch on it, but in our community of Baker Lake we’ve had One thing we are working at, though, a turnover of JPs and some of them have that I can just share with the member is experienced medical issues also. My Legal Registries is going to undertake a question here regarding the Justice of the survey of users and we’re going to try to Peace, and I know they are essential in get a sense from users of where the our communities, is: is there going to be issues are so that we can address some training delivered this new fiscal year problems in terms of delivering service once the budget has been approved for to the people of Nunavut where we can operations and maintenance to ensure improve service. We hope that survey to that they deliver the appropriate services be coming out pretty soon and we will that they have signed on for? Thank you, get the results of that survey, and that Mr. Chairman. will give us a sense of where we can improve the service at Legal Registries. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. MacKay. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Main. Chairman. Every year we set aside time for the Justices of the Peace for them to Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, come for training, like you said, because Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) sometimes there is a high turnover, but Thank you for that information. In terms there is training for these individuals. of this investor education website, what Thank you, Mr. Chairman. is the purpose of that website? I note that it’s a priority mentioned on page 67 for Chairman: Thank you, Minister this year. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. Chairman. Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Chairman. I take the minister’s Minister Ehaloak. comments as a guarantee that there will be training for the Justices of the Peace. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr.

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On that very same page again, the concern? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. coroner’s office, for a large community like Baker Lake, we have experienced a Chairman: Thank you, Mr. turnover. On that note also, will there be Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. training delivered to individuals that have given their names forward to be a Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. coroner within the community, and when Chairman. They do have a standard of do we anticipate the training for the service. We don’t have that information coroners? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. right now, but we can make sure we get the info to the member. Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Chairman. One of my minister’s statements was appointment of a new Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, coroner. One of the things that we will Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask do with the Department of Justice with questions about the Justices of the Peace. our coroners in our communities is In 2018-19 they were going to look into training for the individuals and to meet the Justice of the Peace Program in the with our new coroner when she starts her communities to establish (interpretation job. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ends) regional Justices of the Peace services (interpretation) in each region. Chairman: Thank you, Minister (interpretation) Also in 2019-2020 you Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. stated that you would “Explore feasibility of adding one (interpretation Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. ends) legally trained Justice of the Peace Chairman. Similar to my colleague, on (interpretation) in each region to page 66 of your business plan, land titles support…” I would like to get an update office, I had a constituent talk to me who on the status of this work. Thank you, attains their land title, but the turnaround Mr. Chairman. time that they received was somewhat, I guess, right on the edge because the Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. individual was actually applying for the Minister Ehaloak. Nunavut Housing Corporation Home Repair Program, but the turnaround time Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. for my constituent to get a response was Chairman. In recognizing the important kind of very late. They started missing role of the Justices of the Peace in the out on the sealift season for actual administration of justice in Nunavut, materials. Justices of the Peace in Nunavut, JP Brian Aglukark, Martina Maniyogina, For this office, the question I have is… . and Charlie Tautuajuk…sorry, it’s hard I’m sure they get a whole stack of files. to pronounce the name…were recently What is the turnaround time for an appointed in the late spring of 2018. individual when they contact this office Thank you, Mr. Chairman. to get a reply form this office for their

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Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Quassa. be local elders on the (interpretation ends) traditional, (interpretation) which I Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, don’t know the meaning of, so I think it Mr. Chairman. Thank you. That is very should be clarified. I just want more interesting. information. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

It was also stated earlier that the local Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Justices of the Peace deal with lesser Minister Ehaloak. crimes, and I have seen JPs who are Inuit. Now with Nunavut being an Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. official territory, members keep Chairman. No, there is just the court maintaining, as well as the government, system and the Justices of the Peace. that they will follow Inuit societal Thank you, Mr. Chairman. values. Do Justices of the Peace follow Inuit societal values more closely in their Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Quassa. roles? As an example, they aren’t lawyers or experts in Canadian law, but Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, in the Inuit homeland, are they more Mr. Chairman. I guess I didn’t clearly closely adhering to Inuit societal values? hear the term that time, so I am asking Thank you, Mr. Chairman. about this again. To date, who is the senior Justice of the Peace here in Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Nunavut? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ehaloak. Chairman. They do use Inuit societal values when they have a case before Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. them. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. The senior Justice of the Peace for Nunavut is Joseph Murdock- Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Quassa. Flowers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman: Thank you, Minister Mr. Chairman. Now, within the Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. communities there are different levels allowed under the court system, which Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, are judges, Justices of the Peace, and Mr. Chairman. I also thank you for another level that I am unsure of the stating the name. I believe you already Inuktitut term, but the line item under mentioned it, but I just want a clearer (interpretation ends) traditional justice understanding. How many communities (interpretation) that I think make up the have, for example, (interpretation ends) three different levels. full-time (interpretation) Justices of the Peace? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to clearly understand how many they can choose or rather, if you Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. are going to follow Inuit societal values, Minister Ehaloak. is there a third level? An example would

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Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just in Iqaluit. Thank you, Chairman. Can the minister tell us: what Mr. Chairman. is the process of accessing this type of service? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think you stated that the Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. other communities have part-time Chairman. If you’re from another Justices of the Peace. I’m not sure of the community there is a number to call. If exact term in English. There are quite a you are here in Iqaluit there is a number lot of other communities outside of to call or you can go to the office. Thank Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Minister Ehaloak. Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak.

Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. All the other communities do Chairman. Can the minister tell us how have Justices of the Peace, but they’re all often this service is used? Thank you, part time and they’re used as and when Mr. Chairman. needed. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Minister Ehaloak. Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Currently in the year 2018 Chairman. I just want to ask a couple of there were 361 new files and I have a questions around the rental office. Can breakdown for every year, but last year the minister tell us exactly: what is the we had 361 applicants. Thank you, Mr. role of the rental office? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, minister. Ms. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Angnakak. Minister Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So 361 cases that didn’t go to Chairman. The role of the rental office is court, am I correct and that this person, if an individual has disputes with their whoever it is that works in this office, landlord, then the rental officer can made a determination which way and assist the individual. Thank you, Mr. who is going to get what? Thank you, Chairman. Mr. Chairman.

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Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. Chairman. The 361 I mentioned is not actually files closed or open; it is just the Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. number of applications we got that year. Chairman. When we look at a typical file Thank you, Mr. Chairman. with the rental office, what are we looking at? Are we looking at people Chairman: Thank you, Minister that maybe have a disagreement over Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. amounts of rent, or maybe somebody hasn’t paid for something? What is a Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. typical case that comes before the rental Chairman. Obviously my next question office? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. is going to be how many actual files that have closed. How many have you Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. worked on? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister Ehaloak.

Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman. Most files are disputes on rent payments or evictions. Thank you, Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. Chairman. In 2018 the number of files closed with order was 117, files closed Chairman: Thank you, Minister or withdrawn were 180, files closed with Ehaloak. I know from experience that disallowed was 1, and files closed with the housing association uses that no follow-up are 6. Thank you, Mr. department quite often. Ms. Angnakak. Chairman. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. When it Chairman: Thank you, Minister comes to communities, you say there is a Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. number to call. I would imagine, if you look at the private rental market, most of Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. these calls are coming from Iqaluit or the Chairman. Withdrawn, can you elaborate regional centres. Am I correct? Thank on why somebody would do that? No you, Mr. Chairman. follow-up, what does that mean? Who is not doing the follow-up? Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Chairman. Minister Ehaloak.

Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman. I do have it broken down by region and by community, and so far the Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. highest number of applicants we Chairman. When we mean “withdrawn,” received was here in Iqaluit, which was the person and the landlord had closed 222. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. with an agreement. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Ehaloak. I will add that a lot of times these files are Chairman: Thank you, Minister initiated by landlords, not necessarily by

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2793 tenants, when people don’t pay their office. I was curious: what kind of rents and stuff like that. In the case of training is provided to Nunavut’s housing associations you have non- coroners and is it provided by the chief payment, so they start the filing process coroner’s office? Thank you, Mr. from there. Ms. Angnakak. Chairman.

Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Chairman. I was actually just speaking Minister Ehaloak. with somebody today who rented a room out and didn’t get the first and last Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. months’ payment, doesn’t really have a Chairman. As I stated earlier, when our formal agreement in place, and already coroners from the communities come to the person hasn’t paid what they were Iqaluit for training, there is a coroner supposed to pay. For people like this, is from Ontario that comes up and teaches there a website that they can go to? If the program. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you’re going to rent out a room, because more and more people are either doing Chairman: Thank you, Minister Airbnb or they’re renting out a single Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. room in their house to try to get by, what kind of information do you have out Mr. Lightstone: I’m glad to hear that it there so that this kind of thing doesn’t is being done that way. I just wanted to happen and so people are prepared? confirm that the training that is being Thank you, Mr. Chairman. provided: is it basic level training or is training that is certified to a national Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. standard? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Ehaloak. Chairman. There is an online website that individuals can access and it’s Hon. Jeanie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. www.nu-rto.ca. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is just basic training. Thank Chairman. On that website it will give you, Mr. Chairman. individuals exactly what they need to do if they were going to rent out a room and Chairman: Thank you, Minister how to do it so that they don’t get caught Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. in situations where an individual they have accepted to rent a room to doesn’t Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. end up paying. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My next question is whether Chairman. there is any intention of going beyond providing basic training. Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman. Ehaloak. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Ehaloak. Chairman. My first line of questions is going to be related to the coroner’s Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you Mr.

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Chairman. We make that available to the Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. coroners if they would like further training. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is very worrisome to me. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. I understand how difficult it is for these children to get a guilty verdict. Are these Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. individuals who aren’t found guilty Chairman. Just to expand on that, let’s placed on a watch list? I’m curious if say a coroner would like to go beyond any of them end up coming back with and receive some more advanced another charge and then becoming found training, would that then be facilitated guilty later on. Thank you, Mr. here or would they be able to go and Chairman. receive this advanced training elsewhere? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. Minister Ehaloak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Through you, I will ask my Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you Mr. deputy minister to answer Mr. Chairman. That would be with the Lightstone’s question. I don’t want to individual and the Nunavut chief coroner give you information that I’m not aware to decide where the training would be. of because this is such a touchy subject. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask my deputy minister to answer the question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone, please continue. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. MacKay, please go ahead. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My next line of questioning is Mr. MacKay: Thank you, Mr. regarding court services. When there are Chairman. The member is correct; it is court proceedings where there is an difficult often to get a conviction for individual accused of child sexual abuse, sexual assault, especially against and when a child is not able to provide children. They are a fairly low sufficient or reliable evidence to secure a conviction rate. I don’t have them on guilty verdict, I was curious: would that hand, but compared to other offences, it accused individual then be able to pass a is fairly low. vulnerable sector check? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The fact remains that a person who is charged with something is not guilty and Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Lightstone. they’re not guilty until they’re proven Minister Ehaloak. guilty. If they’re not convicted of anything, they don’t get a criminal Hon. Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. record and they don’t go on any list. Chairman. Yes, I guess. Thanks, Mr. They would still have vulnerable sector Chairman. clearance. As far as whether they’re watched, I don’t know what individual

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2795 police do or that sort of thing, but there Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. isn’t any official way that they’re Chairman. I will get into asking some tracked after that. If you’re found not questions about risk versus needs when I guilty, then you’re free to go. Thank talk a little bit more. Thank you for your you. response, but I do want to know a little bit more about actually what kinds of Chairman: Thank you, Mr. MacKay. programs the department offers in regard We are on Registries and Court Services. to rehabilitation services for inmates. Total Operations and Maintenance, to be What actual programs do you have in Voted. $14,519,000. Agreed? place? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Some Members: Agreed. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you. Moving on to page E-8. Corrections. Any questions? Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Angnakak. Chairman. We interview each client on multiple topics ranging from education, Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. With other skills, employment patterns, Corrections, we have spoken over the history, financial management, family years about repeat offenders and I think relationships, behavioural and emotional we still have some pretty high numbers stability, alcohol and drug usage, mental when it comes to that. It makes me think and physical health, and overall attitude. about rehabilitation methods that the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. department may use. My first question is: is there a framework to guide what Chairman: Thank you, Minister kinds of rehabilitation models are used Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. here in Nunavut when it comes to rehabilitation? Thank you, Mr. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. All I heard from that response is that you interview. What actual Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. programs do you have that will help Minister Ehaloak. inmates re-… ? How can we help who we call clients, inmates? How do we Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. help them to rehabilitate to reintegrate Chairman. Community Corrections has back into the community? What kinds of launched their client risk needs programs and support services are there? assessment and youth risk needs Thank you, Mr. Chairman. assessments tool for direct reporting clients on probation across Nunavut. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. This combination with NUHALT Minister Ehaloak. strategies will assist the client with their integration into their communities. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. The types of programs the Department of Justice holds are land Chairman: Thank you, Minister skills programming, traditional skills Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. toolmaking, healthy relationship anger

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management program, alcohol and drug Chairman: Thank you, Minister program, the reformers unanimous, elder Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. visitation and counselling, spiritual services, bible study, air brakes/heavy Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. equipment operator course, drivers Chairman. I have heard good things training, road tests, first aid, and about the Rankin Inlet Healing Facility WHMIS, which is kind of like workers’ and in fact the Makigiaqta here has been comp., kitchen worker program, kitchen very… . I do wonder about the BCC. skills program, gathering ice for the You have more of the maximum type community, health services, and of… . I don’t know what the properly counselling. We also have work with terminology is, but perhaps they have Nunavut Parks. Other program been accused of more serious crimes, considerations are and perhaps they are the ones who need educational/institutional instructor, the most attention for rehabilitation. carpentry, soapstone carving, work What programs are offered at the BCC assignment, weekly shift team offender specifically? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. outings, AA meetings, which they now call NA meetings, town crew work, Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Ilaliutiniq, Working Together for Minister Ehaloak. Mending, and Pilimmaksarniq education program. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The following programs are Chairman: Thank you, Minister offered at our Baffin Correction Centre Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. and they are: substance abuse program, elder counselling, Inuit cultural skills Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. program, classroom setting as well as off Chairman. It sounds like it’s a school. grounds with on-the-land program It’s great. I’m surprised, especially about officers, alternatives to violence and the heavy equipment operator course. anger management, [Inunnguiniq] parent How do you teach that if you’re at the program, parenting, healthy relationships BCC? How do you teach that? Thank that embrace and incorporate Inuit you, Mr. Chairman. societal values, we have the town crew, which is off grounds, vocational life Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. skills, we have the maintenance program Minister Ehaloak. where offenders will work within the facility, acquiring transferrable skills to Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. assist with community reintegration, we Chairman. That program is offered in have the inside-out smart recovery Rankin Inlet because the inmates at the program, which teaches inmates to Rankin Inlet Healing Facility have the problem solve and improve relationships opportunity. They do stay in the facility, with a primary emphasis on addictions but they have the opportunity to go out and recovery, we have recreational and get jobs, go out and go to school, programming, daily use of a gymnasium and go out and go train so that they’re with access to cardiovascular and ready when they come out of the facility. strength training equipment and it’s Thank you, Mr. Chairman. facilitated by the beneficiary officer, as

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2797 well as daily opportunities for fresh air training to them so that they are on the grounds. Thank you, Mr. qualified to teach these kinds of courses? Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. Minister Ehaloak.

Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Once again that’s a very Chairman. Typically correctional extensive list of programs that people facilities are reliant on community can access. I think that’s very good. It partners to assist with rehabilitation and makes me think: how many teachers do reintegration. Across the territory we you have there? Who is doing all of this have individual volunteers and non- teaching? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. profit groups that provide inmates with skills, knowledge, and experiences they Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. need for personal growth. As a result of Minister Ehaloak. continued safety and security concerns, inmates at the Baffin Correctional Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Centre cannot be provided sometimes Chairman. In our facility at the Baffin with these opportunities; basically some Correction Centre we have staff and of them, especially the ones who are in elders who do the training. Thank you, maximum security. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. Can you please define “staff”? Are they Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. correctional officers or is this outside of Chairman. I don’t think I got any answer being a correctional officer? Thank you, to my question. Mr. Chairman. The minister said that correctional Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. officers are teaching all these courses Minister Ehaloak. here. I’m asking: how are they qualified to teach these courses? Who has taught Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. them? How are they qualified? Are you Chairman. I’m sorry. I should have evaluating? Even teachers in school have defined it myself. They are corrections to have evaluations done while they’re officers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. doing teaching. I’m just curious as to how that’s all done when we’re talking Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. about corrections. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Now, these are quite Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. specialized courses. When you have Minister Ehaloak. correctional officers there, how are you

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Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Chairman. Circle North is a consulting Minister Ehaloak. group which has extensive experience training corrections staff in Nunavut and Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. the Northwest Territories. They provide Chairman. We receive reports when the training in areas of healing, restoring training is completed. The member is relationships, and taking responsible and right; we have Circle North come in, effective control of one’s behaviour. We train our corrections staff to be able to are currently preparing staff to deliver an run these courses or we have third party offender programming curriculum based companies that do the on-the-land on these ideas to bring these skills portion, the traditional healing, the drug directly to our offenders. This training addictions. We have third parties that incorporates Inuit societal values work with us to do these courses. Thank through its delivery. you, Mr. Chairman.

The instructors of the Justice Institute of Chairman: Thank you, Minister British Columbia are experts in security Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. and safety training. They provide correction supervisors and frontline Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. officers with security training, which Chairman. I have actually heard that the prepares staff to maintain safety and Inuit cultural skills program is very well security in our facilities and respond to run and well received. It’s one of your incidents. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. most popular courses there. Talking about that, I know that there are limited Chairman: Thank you, Minister seats, so not everybody can get into that Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. course. Looking forward going into the future, do you think you will expand that Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. course in any way? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’m just curious again. Circle Chairman. North consultation, they train the correctional officers. Is that what you’re Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. saying? And then the correctional Minister Ehaloak. officers become the teachers of these courses. That’s what I understand. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we will try to expand. If I understand that correctly, I would Thank you, Mr. Chairman. like to know how often these programs are evaluated. If you have somebody Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. who can’t deliver the course, it’s no good having the course. Not everybody Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. is made out to be a teacher. I’m Chairman. You did mention about a wondering if you have any kind of gymnasium and classroom. I had sort of evaluations when you look at the whole heard that the gymnasium was used for picture, if you can elaborate on that. something else, but maybe they have put Thank you, Mr. Chairman. it back now. If you can just confirm: is there gymnasium still at the BCC?

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak.

Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. That’s Minister Ehaloak. good. I feel the more they interact, obviously the more we get to more Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. specific knowledge about how someone Chairman. The gymnasium was removed may need intervention when we talk to prepare for our new facility. Thank about rehabilitation and that. you, Mr. Chairman. What about reintegration programs? Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. What do these look like? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Are you saying that that Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. program no longer exists and that Minister Ehaloak. inmates can’t use the gymnasium? What about the classroom? I heard the Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. classroom was made into a weight room Chairman. I have already mentioned to or something like that, so if you can the member the reintegration where their confirm that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. client risk needs assessment and youth risk needs assessment are direct tools for Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. reporting clients on probation from Minister Ehaloak. across Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The weight room is there and Chairman: Thank you, minister. Ms. there is a classroom as well, but there is Angnakak. no gymnasium. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. I would just like a little bit more information about Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. when you do that. When you look at the risks and the needs of the different Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. Just to ask clients, how do you evaluate what kind about something else, I would like to of intervention and programming they know: how many times per week, say, need when it comes to those kinds of do your clients, inmates interact with assessments? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. case workers and facilitators? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Minister Ehaloak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In October 2018 we added Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. the… . Sorry, I’m trying to figure out Chairman. At least once a day for the what these acronyms are for our inmates. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. translators.

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Sorry. We have added the one-on-one to kind of intervention and programs? our case management delivery. Once we Maybe you get to a point where there is conduct the interview lesson with the nothing you can do. I don’t know, but client, the following week we do a how do you work with people when you session with the client on the same topic, assess their risk? Thank you. weaving into the topic of focus on Inuit societal values or emotional and mental Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. well-being. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister Ehaloak.

Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We take each individual and Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. what the risk factors are and we will Chairman. Does one of the risk work with that individual. Thank you, principles involve looking at the Mr. Chairman. offender’s risk to reoffend? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Keyootak. Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Angnakak. Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a brief Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. question. Sometimes incarcerated Chairman. This initiative helps to offenders get an early release or they get support the client by providing a paid when they leave in some cases. continuum of care. Since January 2019 With respect to this matter, is there a our division wants to enhance this limit to the number of times an offender program to provide more information to can leave early? Does it have a ceiling? our inter-agencies within each Thank you, Mr. Chairman. community in the hopes that all agencies will work together to provide assistance Chairman: Thank you. Minister to our clients. The individual is met with Ehaloak. for several weeks and we work with the individual to ensure that what their goals Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. are when they want to come out of our Chairman. It all depends on the inmate facilities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. themselves whether they work within the facility and it depends on how much Chairman: Thank you, Minister money they have within the facility. Ehaloak. Ms. Angnakak. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman. I brought up the idea about Ehaloak. Mr. Keyootak. looking at the offender’s risk to reoffend because you have some people who Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank going there like a revolving door. Are you, Mr. Chairman. I didn’t quite grasp you doing the same thing every single the response to my question. How many time or do you look at these people times can an inmate be bailed out? Is differently after a while in terms of what there an upper limit for that?

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Keyootak.

Chairman: Thank you. Minister Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank Ehaloak. you, Mr. Chairman. My question was related to institutions outside of Nunavut Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. in the south where visits are scheduled. Chairman. Our inmates in our facilities For example, where southern institutions don’t get bailed out. Only when they house Nunavut inmates incarcerated, have been arrested by the RCMP and such as the southern provinces, can they’re held in custody, through there is anyone visit them at any time or are where individuals can be bailed, but in visitations scheduled in the future? How our facilities there is no bail system. is this arranged or do you identify Thank you, Mr. Chairman. particular times for visitation outside Nunavut? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, minister. Mr. Keyootak. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let me move to Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. another matter here. We have inmates Chairman. I’m sorry I didn’t get your incarcerated outside of Nunavut, for question the first time. example, who are in southern institutions such as penitentiaries, of which I believe If an inmate is out at a facility, they there are too many to count. would have to make arrangements with the facility that they’re in, in the south. In Nunavik I believe there is a group that Thank you, Mr. Chairman. schedules visits to institutions where their residents are housed. Is there a Chairman: Thank you, minister. Thank similar type of body in Nunavut or a you. We are on Corrections. Mr. place Inuit can submit proposals to if Kaernerk. they wish to visit so that trips can be arranged? Is this available at any time or Mr. Kaernerk: Thank you, Mr. is this specific to timelines within a year Chairman. Since we’re on the where inmates can be visited? Thank Corrections Division, I’m just you, Mr. Chairman. wondering how many Inuit work at the BCC or Makigiarvik when it comes to Chairman: Thank you. Minister the Inuit Employment Plan. Ehaloak. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Any member of the public Chairman: Thank you. Minister can visit our inmates in our facilities. Ehaloak. They just have to call and make an appointment ahead of time. Thank you, Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. Chairman. In our facilities at the Baffin Correctional Centre and Makigiarvik we

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2802 have 82 positions there and 12 of them how does the department take care of are Inuit, and at the young offenders’ these individuals? My example was facility we have 19 staff there and 6 are mental issues. What’s the process there? Inuit. In the women’s correctional (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. facility we have nine and three of them Chairman. are Inuit. In the Ilavut Centre we have 12 positions there and 8 are Inuit. In Chairman: Thank you. Minister Utaqqivik we have seven positions and Ehaloak. two are Inuit. In the Kivalliq Correctional Facility, which is the Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Rankin Inlet facility, we have 45 Chairman. If an inmate is released, they positions there and 26 are Inuit. That’s can work with our probation officers our correctional facilities. Thank you, within our communities and our Mr. Chairman. probation officers can guide them if they wish for mental health assistance or any Chairman: Thank you, Minister other assistance they require. Thank you, Ehaloak. Mr. Kaernerk. Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Kaernerk: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Chairman. Thank you for the Ehaloak. Mr. Kaernerk. information. In your business plan I keep seeing this under the Inuit Employment Mr. Kaernerk: Thank you, Mr. Plan. Is there a plan to at least train Inuit Chairman. Mental health is a major issue workers to increase your employment in when it comes to releasing these inmates the correctional facilities? Is there some to their hometown. It’s a serious matter kind of plan to have more Inuit present because it can come to suicide and all at the facilities? Is that in the plan too? these matters and they can put someone (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. in danger. It’s nice to know that there’s a Chairman. program for them. At the least the probation officers are there. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Ehaloak. Moving on to my other questions, your department’s 2019-2022 business plan Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. indicates that one of its priorities for the Chairman. Yes, we do. Thank you, Mr. 2019-2020 fiscal year is to assist Chairman. community justice committees providing community justice and healing programs Chairman: Thank you, Minister “in order to address family violence and Ehaloak. Mr. Kaernerk. to divert cases from the formal criminal justice system.” Mr. Kaernerk: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That’s good to hear. On The government’s most recent annual another matter, let’s say, for instance, if report on grants and contributions that an inmate is released, what is the usual your department provided a total of method? Let’s say, for instance, if they $1,334,000 in contribution of funding have any kind of mental health issues, for 17 communities during the 2016-17

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2803 fiscal year. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) On As of today, which communities do not page 17 of the annual report on the have functioning community justice division of corrections, this is 2015-16, it committees when it comes to this vacant says that the Rankin Inlet Healing amount of jobs? That would be my final Facility does not have regular access to question. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. mental health services in the community. Chairman. It says in brackets that it’s provided by the local health centre. I read somewhere Chairman: Thank you. Minister else that when these types of inmates are Ehaloak. transferred out of the Kivalliq… . I’m just wondering if that’s still the case or Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. whether there is increased capacity to Chairman. Every community has a mental health services at this time. functioning community justice (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. committee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you. We’re on Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Corrections. Total Operations and Minister Ehaloak. Maintenance, to be Voted. $37,819…sorry. Mr. Main. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We believe so, but we can get Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, an update from the facility. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I Mr. Chairman. just have a couple of brief questions. Chairman: Thank you, Minister In your annual report on corrections it Ehaloak. Mr. Main. mentions the offenders or inmates who are having mentally ill or mental issues Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, and that they’re talking about the Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I’m in particular. They’re looking at the 2016-17 report and again transferred out of the Kivalliq region. Is it says that the “Rankin Inlet Healing that correct? (interpretation) Thank you, Facility does not have access to mental Mr. Chairman. health services in the community.” This must have been where I read it. It says, Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. “The facility screens individuals prior to Minister Ehaloak. entry to assess whether the inmate has serious mental issues prior to accepting Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. them from the RCMP. Inmates that are Chairman. If I could have the member identified as having serious mental rephrase his question; I kind of didn’t issues are transferred to BCC where understand what he was asking. Thank more community mental health support you, Mr. Chairman. is available.”

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still being done and, if so, how many here. My understanding is there’s no inmates have been transferred to the hard rule which would say that they BCC due to mental health issues? would go to Makigiarvik, which is a (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. much nicer facility; it’s bright, updated. Chairman. The BCC is not a good place for anyone to be, let alone somebody with serious Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. mental issues, let’s say, schizophrenia. Minister Ehaloak. It’s troubling to think that we would be housing them in that facility. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we do. If an inmate who When it comes to the BCC, the fact that is in the Rankin Inlet Healing Facility the gymnasium is not in place and that requires mental health and assistance, we’re in this interim period before the they are transferred to the Baffin new facility gets built, are they taking Correctional Facility, but we don’t have inmates outside more? What are they the numbers that you’re looking for right doing? I remember, when we did the now, so we can get the information for tour, we saw this small little exercise you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. room that they’re using. It had some exercise equipment in there, but it’s not Chairman: Thank you, Minister adequate for people to work off steam. Ehaloak. Mr. Main. What are the interim measures between Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, now and when the new facility is built to Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) make sure that the inmates are getting Thank you, minister, for agreeing to look enough exercise and fresh air, etcetera? into that. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When they are transferred here, I just wanted to confirm that those inmates Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. would be staying at Makigiarvik, not at Minister Ehaloak. the BCC. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Unfortunately because the Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. gym was removed and the delay of the Minister Ehaloak. building of the new facility, it has put a damper on our inmates and we do give Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. them more fresh air outside time and Chairman. It would all depend on the hopefully there will be no more delays inmate’s situation. Thank you, Mr. with our new facility so that they can get Chairman. the gymnasium that they so need. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Main. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Ehaloak. Mr. Main. Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) If it depends…I’m trying to interpret this Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you,

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Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I 11. It says, “…the Division will require know there’s a big correlation between a statistician to extract and interpret this mental health and getting in trouble with data once the definition has been the law. I’m just wondering: within the established.” Has there been any further inmate population, what is the progress on trying to develop a measure prevalence of mental health issues? for recidivism, like how often they (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. return to jail? (interpretation) Thank you, Chairman. Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Minister Ehaloak. Minister Ehaloak.

Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We don’t know the exact Chairman. Through you, I would like to amount of inmates who have mental ask the deputy minister to answer Mr. health problems, but they are screened Main’s question. Thank you, Mr. when they first come into our facility to Chairman. assist them and see where they are. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. MacKay, please go ahead. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Ehaloak. Mr. Main. Mr. MacKay: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a topic that has come Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, up quite a bit and we’re trying to track it Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Yes, in the annual report. As the annual report I understand that there’s a close said, what we’re doing now is working correlation there and you could look at with other jurisdictions through the it. If we have high inmate numbers, yes, heads of correction table to come to a we have a justice problem or you could common understanding for the definition look at high inmate numbers and you of recidivism. say, “Oh, we have a big mental health problem.” In terms of the We want to move away from just a interconnection between health and blanket re-offence definition, but we justice, I would be interested to see any want to get a better sense of where the additional information that the minister offences are coming and whether it’s can dig up on this matter going forward true recidivism in that you’re doing the because it is not currently included in the same thing over and over or you’re just annual report. getting into trouble for different things.

My last line of questioning is on this We’re trying to come up with a idea of tracking recidivism. If I compare definition for that and then once we do the two annual reports, the most [recent] that, we have a statistician that we’re annual report on corrections gives a bit going to hire and we will try to get a more information on recidivism and it better sense of recidivism rates into our seems to indicate that some work has annual report. I’m hoping that in the next been done on this number. This is page annual report we will have a recidivism

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rate in there. Thank you. Chairman. If a community doesn’t have a probation officer within their Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Main. community, a probation officer from the closest community will come to your Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, community and meet with the Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) It’s individuals who are on probation. Thank good to hear that the work continues and you, Mr. Chairman. I encourage you to keep putting energy into this. It’s important because it would Chairman: Thank you, Minister help us to know whether our Ehaloak. Mr. Akoak. programming is working in terms of giving the offenders education or Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. opportunities or healing or whatever How does the department provide they need. ongoing support to a probation officer? How do they help them out? Thank you, I would just like to comment that, Mr. Chairman. however possible, if that recidivism measure or calculation could include Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Akoak. consideration for the extent of poverty in Minister Ehaloak. Nunavut. We have repeat offenders who, when they go to their somewhat regular Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. trips to the correctional facility, come Chairman. The probation officers will back in better health than they would be meet with the inmates to ask them how at home. They get access to proper food they’re doing, what they’re doing to and it’s incredibly sad, but it happens. better themselves, if they need further That’s just a comment. (interpretation) assistance, and they will sit and meet That’s it for me. Thank you, Mr. with the individual to help them so that Chairman. they don’t break their probation. They’re there to assist them. Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Mr. Chairman. Akoak. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ehaloak. Mr. Akoak. I just have about four questions for the minister. Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question was: how does your I’m assuming that not all communities department help or support a probation have probation officers and for those that officer when they need help? Thank you, do not have one, how is that service Mr. Chairman. provided to a community when it is required? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Akoak. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Akoak. Minister Ehaloak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our probation officers are Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. given training in workshops and legal

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processes, and expectations of job Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, functions, first aid and CPR, mental Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) health first aid, suicide prevention, What’s the status of converting the correction offender management system. CJOWs, sorry translators, community They’re also trained in client risk needs justice workers to GN employees? assessment, youth risk needs assessment, (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. discharge and release planning, case Chairman. management, workshops with parole officers assigned to Nunavut, explaining Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Correctional Service Canada’s jobs and Minister Ehaloak. responsibilities, Nunavut Healing and Learning Together (modules 1 to 3), and Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. also the Pilimmaksarniq education Chairman. Currently we have six program for healthy communities and community justice outreach workers that relationships. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. transferred from the municipalities who are now Government of Nunavut Chairman: Thank you, minister. Mr. employees and we are in the process of Akoak. transferring the other community justice outreach workers to become government Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. employees in the future. Thank you, Mr. My last question will deal with Chairman. correctional officers. I’m just wondering: do they have current Chairman: Thank you, Minister certification in CPR and first aid Ehaloak. Mr. Main. training, and how often is this training provided to those staff? Thank you, Mr. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman. That’s it. Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I recall this was a major initiative that was Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Akoak. outlined back in 2017 by the department Minister Ehaloak. to transition them to GN employees. It references in this 2017 presentation, “as Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. funds become available.” When is the Chairman. They require yearly training target date to have this finished with all in those areas. Thank you, Mr. communities? (interpretation) Thank Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you. We are on Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Corrections. Total Operations and Minister Ehaloak. Maintenance, to be Voted. $37,819,000. Agreed? Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We plan to transition the Some Members: Agreed. other community justice outreach workers within three or four years. Chairman: Thank you. Page E-9. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Community Justice. Are there any questions? Mr. Main. Chairman: Thank you, minister. Mr.

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Main. you that in Nunavut we have diversions of 192, total completed is 111, in Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, progress is 67, and referred back to Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I referral source is 21. Thank you, Mr. would like to flag the issues that have Chairman. been coming up in Whale Cove around lack of office space. There was some Chairman: Thank you, Minister back and forth with the Hamlet of Whale Ehaloak. Mr. Mikkungwak. Cove on this matter and it’s impacting other departments as well. I would Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. appreciate the minister’s attention to that Chairman, for recognizing me. I have a matter. question on page 72 of your business plan, third bullet on 2018-19, “Deliver I just wanted to highlight the excellent crime prevention programs in all regions work that’s being done in Arviat by the of Nunavut.” When I read the status, it community justice committee. Some of identifies “…funding for crime the committee members have been long- prevention programming in 10 serving and they’re really making a good communities across the territory. A contribution to the committee. Thanks to crime prevention project manual has the department for their support for that been developed to support all other committee. (interpretation) That’s it for communities in their crime prevention me. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. activities.”

Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Towtongie. The question I have is, there’s a strategy for ten communities in Nunavut, but a Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. manual has also been developed for all Chairman. First of all, the community other communities. Can I get a clear justice committee in Rankin Inlet is explanation on that? Thank you, Mr. excellent with working with young Chairman. offenders, youth offenders. However, across Nunavut, does the department Chairman: Thank you, Mr. have data of the youth offenders that Mikkungwak. Minister Ehaloak. have been diverted to the community justice committees and they have not Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. reoffended or is there data or statistical, Chairman. There are specific programs historical data that we can follow to see for the crime prevention program and how successful the community justice currently the staff travel to the committees are? My final question. communities across the territory to Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ensure that crime prevention projects are being developed and that community Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Towtongie. justice outreach workers are Minister Ehaloak. appropriately resourced to support this programming. Thank you, Mr. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. The data that we have is broken down by region, but I can tell Chairman: Thank you. We are on

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Community Justice. Total Operations Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Yes, I and Maintenance, to be Voted. Mr. clearly understand that, but my question Quassa. was: can all the communities use the alternative justice system? Is that Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, available in all communities? Thank Mr. Chairman. It seems like that you, Mr. Chairman. example earlier where I was kind of querying the minister about these Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. (interpretation ends) alternative justice, Minister Ehaloak. (interpretation) as it seems to be called nowadays, albeit on another front, it is Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. more along the lines of lower court Chairman. Yes, they do. They do use processes. what the member is talking about. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have also heard about the examples such as the Cambridge Bay program that Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Quassa. was land based to allow students to learn traditional skills, and I believe that Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, constitutes alternative justice. I think Mr. Chairman. I wish to return to the these are clearly part of that. Further, I example of the on-the-land program I was delighted with the legal precedence mentioned was undertaken in Cambridge in Cambridge Bay. I believe it’s in Bay, which I feel is a worthy program. Cambridge Bay. Further, back when we had outpost camps, the outpost camps were also used Do you tie those together to ensure we to teach certain skills such as was use more Inuit societal values? Do all offered in Cambridge Bay. Although the communities have these positions in the minister mentioned that only a few system, not necessarily through the communities use the program, I believe formal court system but through a lesser we need to restart that. Are you process? Are there options like that anticipating the funding will be available? Is (interpretation) alternative increased for these types of programs justice (interpretation) available in our sometime? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. communities? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Minister Ehaloak. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Quassa. Minister Ehaloak. Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have two types of outpost Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. camps, two are for inmates that are run Chairman. Yes, these are all culturally through our facilities and we also have related programs. Thank you, Mr. outpost camps for individuals like youth Chairman. groups or for men at risk, women at risk, and youth at risk. There are two types of Chairman: Thank you, Minister programs that we have. Thank you, Mr. Ehaloak. Mr. Quassa. Chairman.

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Chairman: Thank you. Again, Chairman. Community Justice. Total Operations and Maintenance, to be Voted. Chairman: Thank you, Minister $5,495,000. Agreed? Ehaloak. On behalf of the committee, I thank you and your staff for being here Some Members: Agreed. and answering the questions that the other members had. Chairman: Thank you. Go back to page E-3. Department Summary. Justice. With that, Sergeant-at-Arms, if you Total Operations and Maintenance, to be could please escort the witnesses out. Voted. $125,512,000. Agreed? We will take a 10-minute break while we get ready for the next department and Some Members: Agreed. Mr. Mikkungwak will be in the Chair. Thank you. Chairman: Thank you. Do we agree that we have concluded the Department >>Committee recessed at 17:20 and of Justice? resumed at 17:41

Some Members: Agreed. Bill 15 – Appropriation (Operations & Maintenance) Act, 2019-2020 – Chairman: Thank you. Minister Economic Development and Ehaloak, do you have any closing Transportation – Consideration in comments? Please go ahead. Committee

Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman (Mr. Mikkungwak): Thank Chairman. First of all, I would like to you. I call the committee meeting back thank the staff with the Department of to order. I would now like to ask Justice who assist me to make it easier Minister Akeeagok: do you have for me to know the job as the Minister of officials that you would like to appear Justice. before the committee? Minister Akeeagok. I thank my colleagues for asking all the questions so that people in Nunavut are Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): aware of the programs and services and Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If it’s the care of our inmates and our possible, yes. community justice outreach workers, our community justice committees, our Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Justices of the Peace, and how we try to very much. Does the committee agree to make a difference within our let the minister’s officials go to the communities. witness table? Agreed?

I would like to thank the members for Some Members: Agreed. the opportunity to give you detail, hopefully, of how the Department of Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Justice functions. I just want to say very much. Sergeant-at-Arms, please “thank you very much.” Thank you, Mr. escort the minister’s officials in.

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Thank you very much. For the record, increase of $517,000 to the department’s Minister Akeeagok, please introduce operations and maintenance budget from your officials and proceed with your $86,582,000 to $87,099,000. This opening comments. Minister Akeeagok. consists of:

Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation):  In the Economic Development Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Branch, an increase of $300,000 for my colleagues. To my right is my very the Community Engagement Support good Deputy Minister, Uloriak Hanson, Program as well as an increase of and to my left is also a very good $90,000 for the Tourism Training Assistant Deputy Minister, Bernie Fund; and MacIsaac. Those are who we are.  In the Transportation Branch, an Thank you and I am pleased that we are increase of $405,000 for Nunavut reviewing the 2019-2020 main estimates Airports’ Safety Management and business plan of the Department of System project, which is partly offset Economic Development and by a decrease of $278,000 to the Transportation. Motor Vehicles Division. This decrease is due to the sunsetting of The department is working to support one-time funding to address the Turaaqtavut’s Pivaallirutivut priority RCMP’s decision to stop area, and this is accomplished through administering driver examinations, programs that diversify and improve as well as one-time funding for a economic opportunities, encourage renewal of the driver’s licence and community self-reliance and local general identification card issuing employment, and promote the system. development of our renewable and non- renewable resources for the long-term (interpretation) I would now like to benefit of Nunavummiut. provide more details of these proposed changes, as well as highlights of the (interpretation ends) The department department’s planned operations for also plays an important role in 2019-2020. connecting Nunavummiut to one another and the rest of Canada through the With respect to the proposed increase to operation of community airports and its the Community Engagement Support role in the regulation of motor vehicles Program, the proposed funding consists and drivers. of $225,000 for the contribution budget, together with $75,000 in operations and The focus of this budget is to consolidate maintenance funds to support a program changes made in previous years rather manager. than introduce new changes. The larger changes in this budget were all planned (interpretation ends) The Community for in last year’s three-year expenditure Engagement Support Program is a made- forecast. in-Nunavut response to the unique challenges faced by Nunavut For 2019-2020, we propose a net communities and mineral exploration

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2812 companies. If we want to create As we build the division’s safety economic opportunities through the management systems capacity in 2019- development of our mineral resources, it 2020, we will also complete quality is critical that communities and assurance audits of our airport facilities exploration companies understand one and operations in 11 communities across another’s concerns and priorities, and the territory, including Arctic Bay, Grise this program will help ensure that Fiord, Kimmirut, Sanikiluaq, Gjoa happens. The contribution policy has Haven, Taloyoak, Chesterfield Inlet, been approved and the program will be Rankin Inlet, Naujaat, Kugaaruk, and launched at the Nunavut Mining Coral Harbour. Symposium in April. As previously mentioned, this budget We will continue to work with the includes a reduction in the Motor mining industry and communities on a Vehicles Division’s budget due to the number of other initiatives. We will sun-setting of one-time funding. I would build on the success of the Agnico Eagle like to assure my colleagues that the Memorandum of Understanding and department has been making progress in finalize similar agreements with the delivery of motor vehicle services Baffinland and TMAC Resources. and that will continue in the coming fiscal year. My overview referred to an increase to the Tourism Training Fund, which was (interpretation) As my colleagues may initiated in 2018-19 and is just one of the know, we are working with hamlets exciting initiatives of the Tourism and which are willing to do so to administer Cultural Industries Division. practical driver exams for class 7 and class 5 licences. We remain committed With our new Tourism Act and to this approach, and I look forward to regulations complete and in force, the providing my colleagues with a full department will be continuing a multi- update at the upcoming winter sitting. I year, phased implementation process. mean that was earlier today, as we wrote The department will be hosting a tourism these opening comments a while ago. I summit early in this fiscal year. Work is spoke to it today. already underway on the first annual report on the tourism sector, as required (interpretation ends) More generally, the by the new Tourism Act, and I look operations of the Motor Vehicles forward to tabling that document in the Division are now on a much stronger Legislative Assembly. footing with the successful rollout of the new Motor Vehicles Information System Moving now to the Transportation last November. Branch, where the department’s proposed budget includes an increase of In 2019-2020 we will continue to make $405,000 to increase the Nunavut improvements to the delivery of motor Airports Division’s capacity in the area vehicles services, including examining of safety management systems in options for online and toll-free telephone compliance with federal regulations. service, and we will monitor the effectiveness of the cannabis-related

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provisions of the Traffic Safety Act. In took the opportunity to raise a number of the coming weeks we will also launch an issues and concerns. extended public information campaign to inform Nunavummiut of the provisions In 2018 federal funding was provided of the new Traffic Safety Act and under the National Trade Corridors Fund regulations which are now in force, such for the construction of new airport as the prohibition against distracted terminal buildings in Chesterfield Inlet, driving. Kimmirut, Kugluktuk, Naujaat, and Whale Cove. However, none of the other (interpretation) That concludes my projects that were submitted by the opening comments on the proposed Government of Nunavut for 2019-2020 operations and maintenance consideration were approved by the budget of the Department of Economic federal government. Development and Transportation. I would be happy to answer any questions The department’s proposed 2019-2022 the Committee of the Whole may have. business plan indicates that it Thank you, Mr. Chairman. “…submitted applications for the second intake of the program at the end of Chairman (interpretation): Thank you 2018.” The standing committee looks very much. (interpretation ends) Does forward to receiving copies of the the chair of the standing committee have submissions and urges the minister to opening comments? Please proceed, Mr. provide periodic updates to the Rumbolt. Legislative Assembly on the status of their consideration by the federal Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. government. Chairman. I am pleased to provide opening comments on behalf of the On June 8, 2016 the Government of Standing Committee on Community and Nunavut’s Report on the Review and Economic Development on its review of Reform of Income Assistance and the proposed 2019-2020 Main Estimates Economic Development was tabled in and 2019-2022 Business Plan of the the Legislative Assembly. The report Department of Economic Development was prepared by the Department of and Transportation. Family Services and the Department of Economic Development and The department’s proposed 2019-2020 Transportation. The report indicated that operations and maintenance budget of the Department of Economic $87,099,000 represents a 0.6 percent Development and Transportation will increase from its 2018-19 main “Place a greater focus on job creation estimates. The number of positions in when reviewing EDT programs.” the department has increased from 143.0 PYs to 146.0 PYs, which represents a The Department of Economic 2.1 percent increase from its 2018-19 Development and Transportation’s main estimates. proposed 2019-2020 main estimates include a total of $24,166,000 in grants During the minister’s recent appearance and contributions expenditures. This before the standing committee, members amount constitutes a significant

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2814 proportion of the department’s total Policy have expired. The standing operations and maintenance budget. committee notes that information published by the department indicates The Department of Finance publishes an that the Small Business Support Program annual, government-wide report on continues to be under review. grants and contributions expenditures. Although the report provides a listing of The department’s Development what amounts of funding recipients Partnership Agreement Policy expired in received during a given fiscal year under March of 2016. Under the former policy, different programs, very little the government could enter into information is published with respect to development partnership agreements the purpose of the funding or the results with mining companies. The government that it achieved in such areas as job has since changed its approach, and the creation, especially in relation to funding standing committee notes that the that is provided to for-profit businesses. department’s proposed 2019-2022 business plan indicates that “The A number of policies administered by Agnico-Eagle Mines-Government of the Department of Economic Nunavut Memorandum of Development and Transportation, Understanding Oversight Committee including the Strategic Investments met three times in 2018, forming Program Policy and the Country Food meaningful collaborations on issues Distribution Program Policy, contain including the use of Government of [specific] annual reporting and tabling Nunavut healthcare facilities and the requirements regarding expenditures provision of ongoing workplace training undertaken under these programs. for Nunavummiut. Similar Memoranda However, these reporting and tabling of Understanding with Baffinland and requirements are not currently being met TMAC Resources are in the advanced in all cases. The standing committee stages of drafting and are anticipated to strongly supports greater transparency in be finalized in 2019.” The standing this area. The standing committee does committee encourages the minister to note that the department has begun the table copies of these memorandums of practice of tabling a comprehensive understanding in the Legislative annual report under its Community Assembly. Transportation Initiatives Program Policy. The department’s proposed 2019-2022 business plan indicates that “The The Department of Economic department is working with [the Development and Transportation is Department of] Family Services and responsible for administering Nunavut Arctic College to develop a approximately a dozen formal policies. governance structure for a Nunavut-wide The standing committee notes that mine training entity and determine how progress has been made by the it should be implemented.” It also department in recent years to renew a indicates that “In 2018, the department number of its policies. However, both completed the first Territorial the Policy on Program Partnerships and Monitoring Report. This annual report the Small Business Support Program will [complement] the work of the

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Regional Socio-Economic Monitoring Nunavut’s information and Committees and project-specific communications technology monitoring programs by taking a infrastructure.” However, it is unclear as comprehensive, Nunavut-wide snapshot to how these funds have actually been of the mineral development industry and spent to date. The department’s proposed its impacts and benefits on 2019-2020 main estimates also include Nunavummiut and communities.” The $300,000 in funding for the program. standing committee looks forward to the One of the priorities of the Department timely tabling of this report. of Community and Government Services has been to “work on developing a The department’s 2018-19 main broadband and telecommunications estimates included $675,000 in strategy, including funding agreements, contribution funding for a new collaboration models, and strategic “Community Engagement Support partnerships to continue to evolve and Program,” the stated purpose of which is update territorial connectivity.” It is to “position Nunavummiut to understand important that the two departments developing projects more thoroughly and coordinate their work in this area. to create a means for communities to derive significant direct benefits from The proposed 2019-2020 main estimates mineral exploration.” However, it is of the Department of Economic unclear as to how these funds have Development and Transportation include actually been spent to date. The $3,358,000 in core funding for the department’s proposed 2019-2020 main Nunavut Development Corporation and estimates include $900,000 in proposed $700,000 in core funding for the contribution funding for the Community Nunavut Business Credit Corporation. Engagement Support Program, which The standing committee looks forward represents an increase of 33.3 percent. to the minister’s 2019-2020 letters of expectation to these entities being tabled The first Nunavut Economic in the Legislative Assembly in a timely Development Strategy was released in manner. The standing committee looks June 2003 and reached the end of its ten- forward to seeing progress on the part of year lifespan in the spring of 2013, over the government regarding such matters half a decade ago. The department’s as amending section 37 of the Nunavut proposed 2019-2022 business plan Business Credit Corporation Act to indicates that a proposed draft of the increase its loan limit threshold, in new strategy is anticipated by January of addition to amending the legislation to 2019. The standing committee looks provide for greater public disclosure of forward to monitoring progress in this its lending activities. area. On December 8, 2017 the Department of The department’s approved 2018-19 Economic Development and main estimates included $300,000 in Transportation announced that the contribution funding for the “Nunavut RCMP would “…no longer administer Broadband Development Program,” the practical and written tests for the Class 7 stated purpose of which is to support and 5 licenses…” The department’s “research, advocacy and innovation in proposed 2019-2020 business plan

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2816 indicates that it “…completed [training] Mr. Chairman that concludes my local examiners in Arviat, Sanikiluaq opening comments on the proposed and Pond Inlet in 2018-2019 and has 2019-2020 Main Estimates and 2019- developed a program that is available to 2022 Business Plan of the Department of other communities. Discussions with Economic Development and other potential partners continue to find Transportation. Thank you, Mr. local written examiners in each Chairman. community.” The proposed business plan also indicates that “The department Chairman: Thank you. I wish to advise examined alternative service delivery members that I will exercise my options, including the technical and discretion as Chair and only recognize training issues surrounding streamlined each member only once on each branch. licence and General Identification Cards I also ask you to focus your questions on delivery in Nunavut. Options have been the proposed 2019-2020 main estimates. pursued but were deemed too costly to be effective; the department will Do members have any general continue to monitor developments.” comments before we proceed to detailed questions? (interpretation) General Mr. Chairman, members have been comments? (interpretation ends) I have raising concerns in the Legislative no names for uqausiksatuinnait. K-4. Assembly for a number of years Economic Development and regarding the lengthy delays that are Transportation. Corporate Management. experienced by residents of smaller Ms. Towtongie. communities in obtaining driver’s licences and general identification cards. Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank Funding for the replacement of the you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) department’s Motor Vehicles Your department administers a number Information System was first included in of different policies. One of them is the the government’s 2014-15 capital Small Business Support Program Policy estimates. At that time the minister of that expired in 2011. Information that is the day publicly acknowledged those on your department’s website indicates concerns and stated that the new Motor that the policy is currently under review. Vehicles Information System would What is the timeline for completing this “improve service delivery.” Although review and what specific changes to the this system is now operational, it does Small Business Support Program are not appear to have significantly reduced being considered? Thank you, Mr. the time required for residents to receive Chairman. driver’s licences and general identification cards. Although the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you standing committee recognizes that such very much. Minister of Economic factors as bandwidth limitations are Development and Transportation, beyond the department’s immediate Minister Akeeagok. control, members again emphasize the importance of achieving improvements Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): in this essential service. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This issue has been under review for quite some

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time and it is nearing its completion. We totals $3,432,000 when it was being anticipate that the renewal will prepared. In using the figures and in commence on April 1. That is currently researching it, 21 PYs were created in my expectation. Thank you, Mr. 2017-18. In the same manner, in looking Chairman. at the 2018 figures, there were 42 PYs created. Further, the funding we allocate Chairman (interpretation): Thank you to the hamlets also equals another 25 very much. Ms. Towtongie. PYs through community economic development. These are the positions Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank that have been created through the you, Mr. Chairman. On June 8, 2016 the funding allocated through the grants and government submitted a report on the contributions. Thank you. review and reform of income assistance and economic development. The report I apologize. Mr. Chairman, there are still was prepared by the Department of several policies that are undergoing Family Services and (interpretation change as we are trying to add more and ends) the Department of Economic are changing the policies as we continue Development and Transportation. The to try to make it easier, but this is the report indicated that the departments will first change I take pride in and that I can “Place a greater focus on job creation speak to in this House. Thank you, Mr. when reviewing EDT programs.” Chairman.

The Government of Nunavut’s most Chairman (interpretation): Thank you recent annual report on grants and very much. Ms. Towtongie. contributions spending indicates that your department provided a total of Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank $23,035,222.34 in contribution funding you, Mr. Chairman. In the Department to organizations and individuals during of Transportation’s business plan for the 2017-18 fiscal year. How many full- 2019-2022, one of the priorities listed on time and part-time jobs were created and page 238 states that they will be sustained by this spending? Thank you, “examining changes to the Community Mr. Chairman. Transportation Initiatives Program” within this coming year. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, very much. Minister Akeeagok. Chesterfield Inlet has used the funds from this program effectively where they Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): constructed a road to the (interpretation Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you ends) Josephine River and Josephine for your good question. We have started Lake. (interpretation) I would like to to change our policies and your question know what changes are being considered was good, as that is how it is, and we because the community has benefited continue to change the policies. from this fund in Chesterfield Inlet. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this time the first item listed in English, (interpretation ends) Strategic Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Investments Program, (interpretation) very much. Minister Akeeagok.

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Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Economic Development and Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This was Transportation. Corporate Management. reviewed and we didn’t change much Mr. Main. because it’s being utilized very well. That’s the policy and we’re still using Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, the same policy, but it was reviewed last Mr. Chairman. Welcome, minister and year. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. your officials.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you I will base my questions on different very much. Ms. Towtongie. contribution programs that are under economic development. Looking at the Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank (interpretation ends) strategic you, Mr. Chairman. This is my final investments, community transport and question. Your department’s CTIP country food (interpretation) programs, policy, or (interpretation ends) your different contribution programs, Community Transportation Initiatives which one is the most important? Has Program, (interpretation) outlines the the department set which one is the most maximum contribution a community can important? If you’re going to be making, request, up to $300,000. One community for example, cutbacks or if you’re going can apply up to $300,000 as per the to be finding extra money, which policy. Has any consideration been given program would you put that into? Thank to increasing this amount or will this you, Mr. Chairman. amount remain at $300,000 or will it be decreased? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you That’s my final question. very much. Minister Akeeagok.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): very much. Minister Akeeagok. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In looking at the programs, they are all important and Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): I wouldn’t want to cut any funding off Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Looking at from them. Our communities request the main estimates that we’re trying to funding from these programs, as well as get approved and looking at the number our private businesses and many of proposals that we receive, we think diligently apply for the programs, as that $300,000 is enough, but let’s be they can apply to different contribution aware in this House that if we try to raise programs and receive additional support that, we may have to ask for it in the from other programs. capital proposal instead. We want to keep communities applying for money I cannot make a statement saying that I from that, so we’re just going to keep the want to get rid of a program or to change same amount right now and we don’t the budget amounts at this time. With have any intentions of changing that at this being the case, within the opening the moment. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. comments of your chairman, it was stated that policies are becoming Chairman (interpretation): Thank you antiquated. We are reviewing them to try very much. (interpretation ends) to update them, especially the

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contribution policies. This is where we If they wanted to reallocate funds to are updating these policies and I want to other programs, they have the discretion make some consideration during the to do so. I would ask that this suggestion fiscal year 2019-2020. be considered about allocations. Perhaps it can lead to more job creation, but this That’s what I can state here, but I would is just a comment. not want to start slashing funding from any of these programs that communities (interpretation ends) When it comes to access through applications. Thank you, the NNI Secretariat, it came up in quite a Mr. Chairman. few different departments, the implement of the new NNI Policy, the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you NNI 2.0. Have there been any issues very much. Mr. Main. from within the GN that have been coming up under this NNI Secretariat Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, under the new policy? (interpretation) Mr. Chairman. I, too, don’t want to see Thank you, Mr. Chairman. any slashing of the budgets. However, in looking at these three programs, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you (interpretation ends) Country Food, $1.5 very much. Minister Akeeagok. million; Strategic Investments, $3.4 million; Community Transport, $1.5 Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): million, (interpretation) they all have Thank you. I would like to address your different budgets. As the minister commentary. Yes, I concur with your alluded to earlier, they are all important assessment that budgets for these programs. contribution programs could be changed and outlining who is eligible. We are In looking at the different budgets, in my trying to enact a policy that is more opinion, (interpretation ends) Strategic consistent, for example, getting an Investments (interpretation) seems to be appendix. As you said, they are too the most important program as it has the segregated. We can look at some largest amount allocated to the budget. I combination of funds, as well as increase would urge this be reconsidered as from the budget as sometimes we can use the my perspective, it would look better to (interpretation ends) strategic investment concentrate on the program with the policy (interpretation) or the program as most benefit by taking some funding out they can access other funds to leverage of one budget and moving it into the their budget to meet their needs. I am budget that is most effective. glad you also brought up that idea and I like that suggestion. I just wanted to I would like to see some changes to the speak to that matter you mentioned. budgets by allocating further funds to (interpretation ends) different programs The NNI Policy was implemented on (interpretation) that contribution funding April 1, 2017 and as of now, we are is applied from and to have a clear unsure what impacts it has had since, as policy within the department. It should we haven’t studied the results. With that be different every year based on the being the case, we don’t know the exact needs as the budget shouldn’t be static. effects, or in English (interpretation

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ends) tangible changes, (interpretation) Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): as it hasn’t appeared yet within the NNI Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, due to Policy where reports are made through the changes, some concerns have the (interpretation ends) contract activity surfaced and we continue to revisit this reports (interpretation) about the impact as developments occur. My ministerial NNI has on the government and whether colleagues and I want to further review it led to increased costs. Thank you, Mr. this matter and to enact changes if Chairman. required, as we will need to deliberate on the changes made in 2017 and what the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you results are. very much. The minister says it will be implemented. Mr. Main. You just mentioned that we need to revisit some policies after changes have Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, been made and whether it has had an Mr. Chairman. I’m concerned about that. impact on government operational Although I support these programs for funding. We will have to carefully Inuit and Nunavut businesses, when review this issue. Yes, I can only say there is no limit, it looks like it increases that we will revisit this at a later date. costs. Even though they are owned by This will allow us to understand how it Qallunaat, some businesses are like is working. pretend businesses and they make it appear as if they are owned by Inuit. I became a minister, I believe, last year However, if you look closely at the in June. My officials provide many paperwork, you would see that the briefings to help me understand the money is going outside of Nunavut to issues and I am very grateful to them to non-Inuit. I’m concerned about that. letting me know how it operates and the impacts on this government. This is how To use this example, the recent bulk fuel it is. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. purchase for Nunavut was over one hundred something million, which is a Chairman (interpretation): Thank you substantial amount under that contract. I very much. Mr. Main. think it was tendered through the NNI Policy, if I understood it correctly, and if Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, residents of Nunavut and Inuit got Mr. Chairman. Thank you, minister. It employment, then it may be acceptable. would be great if you could look into However, I haven’t completely that further. If I understand correctly, understood the impact and I am deeply you would have to work with Nunavut concerned about this. Tunngavik to make any changes to that.

Has the minister heard of any concerns I am appreciative of the (interpretation within the government about this? Thank ends) Strategic Investments Program you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation) as it has a noticeable impact when communities receive Chairman (interpretation): Thank you funding that they put towards training very much. Minister Akeeagok. their residents. To use this example, the (interpretation ends) Hamlet of Arviat

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(interpretation) used funds to offer mine Earlier today the Minister responsible preparedness training specific to the new for Arctic College did some answering mine at Meliadine Lake near Rankin towards this and the Department of Inlet. We should be proactively training Economic Development and residents so that more Inuit can be hired Transportation, what we’re going to do to work in the mines. It will have a real for this year’s mining symposium benefit to the Nunavummiut who are roundtable that we take on an annual hired. basis is to see if we can formalize the training society or the training aspects so I wonder if during the winter or actually that we can take more advantage. the upcoming fiscal year of 2019-2020, in acknowledgement of the requests and I think, through the MOUs between the to recognize its recent emergence, three mines, there is synergy. There’s a (interpretation ends) recognizing the fact lot of interest. There’s good work. I that Meliadine is just in the startup phase think the Qikiqtani Inuit Association just and this is when the opportunity is the made an announcement in terms of their most available, will there be special work with Baffinland. There’s good consideration given for prioritizing mine opportunity and something that I think training applications under that Strategic what we’re going to take is look at all Investments Program? our funding and see how we can better formalize this. As the members state, I believe the Chair would attest, if he mining is a huge employer right now. could voice his opinion, that when the opportunity is there, you’ve got to take I’m just coming from the Prospector it. Otherwise those jobs get filled by Development Association of Canada and southern workers and then after that it is having discussions with the mining a lot tougher to get Inuit and sector that’s happening here in Nunavut Nunavummiut into those jobs. Will there now. We have all identified it as a need. be priority given for mine training in this I think that’s something and I want to fiscal year considering Meliadine? continue to advance and enhance (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. because it is a bright future for us in Chairman. terms of getting some of those jobs that we’re going to continue to diversify our Chairman (interpretation): Thank you economy. This is one sector, I think, that very much. Minister Akeeagok. has good potential.

Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. I thank the member for continuing to Chairman. We have a specific program raise this and it helps me do my job a lot and it’s called the Mine Training Fund, better when we hear throughout the which is $200,000. This where the public and especially here in this House Hamlet of Arviat has taken some good the level of support that we’re getting. I work towards it, and that’s one that we want to thank the members for raising use and we go to our roundtables and this. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. work with all our stakeholders and ask Chairman. how we’re going to do this. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you

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very much. Mr. Main. What we’re trying to do is take all those, including our government resources, and Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, talk within our departments. The Mr. Chairman. I also thank the minister. departments that I work very closely I want to return to the subject of the with are Family Services and Arctic (interpretation ends) Nunavut Mine College to try to figure out how can we Training Fund, (interpretation) which is capture this and enhance and focus it so constantly underfunded as that $200,000 those jobs will get into the mining is quickly expended for training. sector.

Now, I was talking about the $3.4 When I was going through that, I think million fund and since it was first whoever gets trained, a door opens up to allocated and at the beginning of the new any of our Nunavummiut, so I encourage mine at Meliadine, now is the best time every Nunavummiuq to take those to provide funding for training training opportunities that are out there. (interpretation ends) this year, next year. What I have committed is that we will (interpretation) If we don’t train continue to try to find more training Nunavummiut, then non-residents will opportunities. (interpretation) Thank take those jobs from Nunavummiut. you, Mr. Chairman. Even if we try to adapt at a later date, it would be much harder. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. Main. I’m asking the minister again: (interpretation ends) within your existing Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, program guidelines, will there be any Mr. Chairman. Thank you, minister. recognition given in this upcoming fiscal (interpretation ends) I guess I’ll just state year to prioritizing or recognition given again that the time is now and we can’t to the opportunity that exists with the wait. I understand we need a Nunavut development of that new mine near mine training society in the long term, Rankin Inlet? (interpretation) Thank but in the short term, right now the you, Mr. Chairman. opportunity is there and I would encourage the minister to use his Chairman (interpretation): Thank you discretion and recognize that opportunity very much. Minister Akeeagok. and take every opportunity that comes to pour money into the training Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): opportunities with that Meliadine mine. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, Every dollar we put into that training file (interpretation ends) there is good at this particular very short window of opportunity right now and we need to time, I feel, will pay off in a big way. take that opportunity. With Agnico Eagle Mines opening the Meliadine The Kivalliq Mine Training Society is mine, it also went through their Inuit not really doing much at the current Impact and Benefit Agreement. Through time. The relationship between the that, a big chunk of that is on training. mining proponent and the regional Inuit For Baffinland, they went and secured association is not good. It’s not big chunks of training. conducive to training activities. That’s

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where I hope to see ED&T playing a I wish to move to a different topic in my role, you have some very excellent staff line of questioning, Mr. Chairman. In the in your Rankin Inlet office, playing a 2019-2022 business plan on page 238, it role as a leader and investing in that states that “The department submitted particular activity in this particular time two proposals for funding under the because it will pay off. I will just put that Oceans Protection Plan.” It states here out there as a comment. that there are (interpretation ends) mooring bollards (interpretation) that are I do understand we have to diversify the part of the breakwater infrastructure on economy and whatnot. You don’t want the shoreline. We did hear about this to exclude anybody, but bang for your happening in Sanikiluaq, Taloyoak, Gjoa buck, that’s where it is in the next year Haven, Pangnirtung, and Arviat. These or two in particular. That’s just a communities were identified. comment. (interpretation) That’s it for me. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Further, there was a second aspect which was to “…undertake a Comprehensive Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Scoping Study of marine needs in all very much. (interpretation ends) Next Nunavut communities, which will name on my list, Mr. Quassa. provide further opportunities for collaboration with Nunavut Tunngavik Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, and Regional Inuit Organizations.” As of Mr. Chairman. Welcome, minister and today, what is the status of this particular your officials. They’re all a bit familiar. project? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

>>Laughter Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Akeeagok. Thank you indeed and I am again voicing my appreciation for inviting me Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): to the PDAC summit as we were Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I apologize; I included in that trip. didn’t get the page number. I wasn’t on the right page. Now, my colleague Mr. Main expressed his opinion on the mining sector that I I recently made an announcement in the also believe is needed immediately, as of House about the plan and there are five right now we have to commit to the communities that we are looking at to training. As a matter of fact, while at the install mooring bollards. Some meeting in Toronto, the information we communities have these bollards. For heard from the mining sector was to example, tankers need to have these proceed with the training of residents, as mooring bollards between the land and they are just waiting for qualified Inuit. shore. Some communities have them, That’s the message we heard loud and but we would like to install heavier clear. We understood that and as the bollards with more capacity. minister you heard that. That’s what I wanted to reiterate and I further push for I am very pleased that all the and support my colleague. communities will be visited by officials to look at their marine infrastructure and

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what is required in these communities, Chairman. for example, for the hunters or infrastructure for ships. Docking Chairman (interpretation): Thank you facilities were approved and in we will very much. Mr. Quassa. start working on these projects 2019- 2020. We will make sure this Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, information is sent out to all the Mr. Chairman. I also thank the minister communities. for providing information that is quite clear for members to understand. I will Regarding the docking facilities or be switching to English briefly, although marine infrastructure, we are working this subject seems specific to Inuit with NTI and more so the regional Inuit culture, Mr. Chairman. organizations. The Qikiqtani Inuit Association is currently negotiating with (interpretation ends) Your department’s the federal government on an agreement Country Foods Distribution Program for the five affected communities Policy requires you to table annually in regarding the Tallurutiup Imanga the Legislative Assembly or otherwise National Marine Conservation Area. make publicly available a summary of They have told us that they have contributions, detailing the names of submitted a proposal. We look forward each successful applicant, amount of to it and we encourage the federal each contribution, the type of investment government to approve funding for the being supported, and community. projects in the four communities. They have already begun construction in the Although your department’s 2015-16 fifth community. annual report is available on the website, it has not been tabled in the Legislative Through the National Trades Corridor Assembly. When will you table the Fund, we are working with the Qikiqtani 2015-16, 2016-17 and 2017-18 annual Inuit Association in developing plans for reports on your department’s the future marine infrastructure project administration of the Country Food in Qikiqtarjuaq. Distribution Program? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Further, the Kitikmeot Inuit Association has stated that they would like to Chairman: Thank you. Minister construct a road and port project in Akeeagok. Grays Bay. At that time we informed them that if they will be seeking funding, Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. we could possibly do a matching grant Chairman. Thank you for the question. for the road and port project if they My plan for tabling the comprehensive received funding from the National report will be for this upcoming spring, Trades Corridor Fund. as we are compiling those.

These are some of the projects and I do want to state that on an annual basis programs that we are working on the Government of Nunavut, and it was currently with the regional Inuit noted by the chair of the standing organizations. Thank you, Mr. committee, that the grants and

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contributions from all of government Chairman (interpretation): Thank you does get tabled. The country food is no very much. (interpretation ends) Just a exception. Every of those grants and reminder to the members that when contributions that were expended have you’re going to be asking your been reported through that process. questions, focus on the proposed 2019- 2020 main estimates. Next name on my I understand and hear the member’s list, Mr. Lightstone. concerns and the committee’s concern that they want to see more in-depth Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. reporting. I have heard that and that’s Chairman. This is sort of a policy issue, something I’m committing self to tabling so I’m not sure if it relates…well, I’m this spring session. (interpretation) sure it definitely does relate to the 2019- Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 2020 main estimates.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you In a recent news article the Government very much. Mr. Quassa. of Yukon mentioned its intention of updating the Motor Vehicles Act to Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, incorporate stiffer penalties for driving Mr. Chairman. This is becoming more past a bus illegally. I would like to prevalent and it has been discussed quite enquire: what is the current penalty for a bit. There is a food security issue driving past a bus illegally here in happening across the north and this is a Nunavut? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. good program. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Moving on to something else, on the Akeeagok. same page in the 2019-2022 business plan, page 238, it mentions the Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): (interpretation ends) Community Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Transportation Initiatives Program (interpretation ends) I apologize to the (interpretation) up to 2019-2020. What member. I don’t have the specific changes will you be looking at doing for regulations and the fines that are this program? Does that make sense? applicable, but I can commit to going Thank you, Mr. Chairman. back to this House in terms of what our regulations are in terms of passing Chairman (interpretation): Thank you school buses. (interpretation) Thank you, very much. Minister Akeeagok. Mr. Chairman.

Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That was very much. Mr. Lightstone. asked earlier, but I would like to respond further. In the year we found that there Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. doesn’t need to be too many major Chairman. Thank you, minister, for that changes, so we didn’t make any changes. response and I would appreciate The program is accessed quite a bit. receiving that information. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I recently spoke to one of our by-law

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officers here in the city and I was a bit Chairman. Yes, I’ll definitely look into shocked when I found out that it actually it. It’s an ongoing process when we’re occurs here quite frequently. adapting our Motor Vehicles Act. We Unfortunately a number of motor had recently passed it and it included vehicles here in the city are in fact certain things such as distracted driving driving past school buses illegally. I and cannabis use, those things. It is any would first like to enquire if the minister infractions and anything serious, as the is aware of the situation. Thank you, Mr. member noted. Definitely I’ll take notice Chairman. of this and bring it forward. If we can do it through our regulations, then I’m Chairman (interpretation): Thank you definitely doing it. very much. Minister of Economic Development and Transportation, Maybe we already do have it in our Minister Akeeagok. regulations, in our Act, but at this point in time I’m looking through my main Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. estimates. It does not get into the Chairman. Yes, we are aware of it and as specifics of our main estimates. I I stated, I’m going to have to go back definitely take the member’s questioning and get the regulations and our Act to very seriously and something that I’ll see if those are infractions as to which definitely look into. Thank you, Mr. agency will need to enforce that, but it’s Chairman. something, as I stated, I don’t have the document per se in terms of our Chairman (interpretation): Thank you regulations when it comes to school very much. Mr. Lightstone. passing. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The next topic I would like to Chairman (interpretation): Thank you discuss is the need for more driving very much. Mr. Lightstone. training in the territory and specifically driver’s education. I know I brought the Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. issue up with Arctic College in the past, Chairman. The penalty for driving past a the benefit of the college providing these school bus illegally is a serious types of driver’s ed. courses in our infraction across the country and the communities, but I would like to enquire safety of children are at stake whenever if the minister has begun talks with the it does happen. I would like to enquire if college about possibly collaborating on the minister would be willing to take producing such curriculum. Thank you, into consideration the possibility of Mr. Chairman. increasing that infraction or the penalty to deter this from occurring. Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Mr. Chairman. very much. Minister Akeeagok.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. very much. Minister Akeeagok. Chairman. Thank you for the question. Our new Motor Vehicles Act that was Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. passed in January of last year does allow

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for introducing a graduated driver’s Chairman. licence system, but at this point we’re not there yet. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Akeeagok. Right now we are fully focused and especially having the RCMP not do our Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. drivers’ exams anymore, that we put our Chairman. The revolving funds are resources into trying to get the adequate administered within the departments, drivers’ training. That has been our and each of those is bound by the NNI, focus. and I will read the NNI Policy. “The NNI applies to all GN territorial Further, as the chair of the standing corporations including: committee noted, we do have delays in terms of our licensing. We’re focused on a) Nunavut Arctic College, that and also the new Traffic Safety Act b) Qulliq Energy Corporation, that we are focusing on trying to get c) Nunavut Housing Corporation, those in place and implemented. Thank d) Nunavut Business Credit you, Mr. Chairman. Corporation, and e) Any territorial corporations which Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. are subject to Schedule B of the Financial Administration Act.” Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll move on to the next topic Further, “a) The GN provides more than and that’s the NNI Policy. I would just 51% of the individual contract funds, or like to seek some clarification on a few b) The GN provides more than 51% of items, and first I would like to enquire if the annual operating funds for a party to all GN departments and agencies are the contract.” bound by the NNI Policy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is in our NNI Policy. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman. very much. Minister Akeeagok. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): very much. Mr. Lightstone. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the minister for that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you clarification. I would just like to raise an very much. Mr. Lightstone. issue of a constituent of mine. The Nunavut Brewing Company apparently Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. is having trouble with the Nunavut Chairman. Thanks for that response and Liquor Commission, who is claiming I would just like to further elaborate if that the NNI Policy doesn’t apply to the revolving funds or Government of purchase of their product. I would like to Nunavut revolving funds are also bound enquire if the minister is aware of that by the NNI Policy. Thank you, Mr. situation and why they’re in that

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predicament. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. thank you for your clarification. For the liquor commission, the revolving fund, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you typically they buy the products to resell very much. Minister Akeeagok to the public. I don’t know if there are any exemptions. That’s something that Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): our staff are quite aware of and are Thank you, Mr. Chairman. working towards resolving that. I hope (interpretation ends) Our NNI Secretariat that they come to a conclusion. is quite aware of this and is working (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. with the brewery and with the Chairman. Department of Finance and their commission. I don’t want to get into the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you specifics on why or how it’s not, but if I very much. Mr. Lightstone. understand it, the brewery is not a government entity. The brewery is trying Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. to sell products to the general public, so Chairman. I thank the minister for that anything that we buy from that… . The response. I’m very happy to see that the NNI is usually when the government current situation is being looked into and expends money, such as contracts. it isn’t a final decision that has been (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. given. Chairman. I would like to move on to my next topic Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone and I would like to refer to the Nunavut Business Credit Corporation. For a Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. number of years now, MLAs have been Chairman. I know that the brewery is not crying for increasing transparency from a government entity and I did not say this money lender. In the key highlights that it was. I was just stating that the of the 2017-18 annual report it states that Nunavut Liquor Commission, which is a “Enhanced annual reporting, which government entity, which is purchasing includes the disclosure of clients product from the Nunavut company, is receiving funding” is included, but when not abiding by the NNI Policy through I look through the annual report, I do not those purchases. I just wanted to clarify see a listing of clients which have that. I would like to offer the minster received funding. I would just like to another opportunity to provide a request some clarification on that topic. response. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Akeeagok. very much. Minster Akeeagok.

Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the Chairman. I just want to commend the clarification. I’m not an expert in terms Nunavut Business Credit Corporation’s of how this gets applied. The staff that board of directors in the fine work that are reviewing it do have that expertise they’re doing. I did have an opportunity and I wait for them to resolve this. I when I first got this portfolio and had a

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2829 meeting directly with them in their that work is still ongoing. We have not annual board meeting, and a lot of good made any legislative amendment change work is being developed. requests. It’s going to have to go through this House. There is no bill before this One of the things I have asked them to yet, so the work is still being done do is to go through some of the between our department and the legislative amendment changes that they corporation. (interpretation) Thank you, would like to see and some that we Mr. Chairman. would like to see. One of the areas that our member raised in the annual reports Chairman (interpretation): Thank you is the disclosure of business as part of very much. Mr. Lightstone. our ongoing collaborations with the corporation in terms of moving towards Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. amending their current legislation. Chairman. I don’t understand why the (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. minister is bringing up the Act and the Chairman. legislation around the NBCC. As far as I can recall, these individuals have already Chairman (interpretation): Thank you signed agreements stating that their very much. Mr. Lightstone. information would be made public; the names of the individuals and the Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. companies receiving funding would be Chairman. I’m recalling to this time last made public. I would like to ask minister year when the previous Minister again: why has this yet to happen? responsible for Economic Development Thank you, Mr. Chairman. and Transportation had made a commitment in the House to give Chairman: Thank you. Minister direction to the NBCC to start providing Akeeagok. the names of those who have received financing. I would like to ask what has Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. changed since then and why have these Chairman. Through you, if I could ask names not been released. Thank you, my Assistant Deputy Minister, Bernie Mr. Chairman. MacIsaac, to elaborate on this. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Akeeagok. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. MacIsaac. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As a result of that Mr. MacIsaac: Thank you, Mr. commitment, we have given letters of Chairman. I think is what the member is direction to the corporation and work is referring to, in 2017-18 a letter of underway in terms of drafting the expectation from a previous minister legislative amendment. They have noted, “…it is my expectation that the reported back to me on the list of NBCC will adopt the practice of legislative amendments that they would disclosing the identities of recipients of like to see. That’s one, through our letter loans and other financial assistance in its of expectations and letter of direction, annual reports for future years.” The

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corporation, in its 2017-18 annual report recipients that were approved for new which was tabled by the minister credit facilities and had advance. It responsible on November 7, 2018, did might have been just those two, but I’ll disclose the identities of any recipients definitely to having conversation with that were approved for a new credit the credit corporation board of directors facility and had advances. and see where that is at. At this point I don’t have the specifics in terms of those I don’t think the annual report is out for other 45. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. this current fiscal. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When will the public get a Chairman. I see on page 14 the name of chance to see the names of all of the the two clients that have received individuals and companies that have funding, but there are still 45 other received funding and currently have recipients and as well, there are a loans from the credit corporation? Thank number of listings in the loan portfolio you, Mr. Chairman. of activity that occurred throughout the year and there are no names associated Chairman (interpretation): Thank you with those amounts. very much. Minister Akeeagok.

Although I do appreciate the name of the Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): two new loan recipients is included, I Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thought I still don’t understand why the other 45 answered you earlier concerning the names aren’t listed, including all of the board and I will find out from them why individuals who saw increases to the they don’t have the names disclosed. I existing lines of credit, renewals of don’t have the written documentation in credit, and amounts paid out. There is a front of me, but they produce the annual lot of activity that occurred throughout report. I will be able to find out for you. the year, not just the two new clients that Thank you, Mr. Chairman. received disbursements. I’m curious why the names of all those individuals who Chairman (interpretation): Thank you took part in the activity were not very much. Mr. Lightstone. included as well. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’m not sure if I got the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you answer I was looking for, but I just want very much. Minister Akeeagok. to rephrase the question. I thank the minister for committing to talking to the Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. board about this, but I would like to ask Chairman. I don’t know the details and again: when can the Legislative why there are only two. As my staff Assembly and the public see the names mentioned, the one that was approved of all the individuals and companies that was to disclose identities of any have received funding from the Nunavut

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Business Credit Corporation? Thank I decided to pick one company and just you, Mr. Chairman. see if I can get some more information about it. I’m not picking on this Chairman (interpretation): Thank you company just because of who they are, very much. Minister Akeeagok. but it’s only because they received a large sum of money, and that is the Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Nunavut Brewing Company. In 2016-17 Chairman. It is one that I have they received $30,000 under the Small committed to going to the corporation Business Support Program and in the and asking for those specifics. I don’t same year they received $250,000 under know and it’s something that’s within the Strategic Investments Program. They their legislative amendments that we’re went from a small business to a large considering. There might be a number of business in the same year. In the factors that might be in there, so that’s following year, they received another why I’m almost non-committal in terms $250,000 for the Strategic Investments of providing the names. I’m going to go Program. That’s over half a million through and have the discussions with dollars that this one company here in the corporation and if there are no Iqaluit received from the department. barriers towards that, it will definitely be tabled. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. My question is: how many jobs did this Chairman. company create from the money that was provided by the department? Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Mr. Chairman. very much. (interpretation ends) We are on K-4. Economic Development and Chairman: Thank you. Minister of Transportation. Corporate Management. Economic Development and I would like to remind members: focus Transportation, Minister Akeeagok. your questions on the proposed 2019- 2020 main estimates. Mr. Rumbolt. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We did not have that level of Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. breakdown for the Strategic Investments Chairman. I just have a couple of Program in terms of how many jobs for questions, maybe, on this area and I that particular company, but I can say want to add on to Mr. Quassa’s question that there are several of them and earlier when he was talking about the something we can go back, go through grants and contributions that the and review the ones that were approved. department provides. I think it’s like $24 As I mentioned earlier, this program, million that they do provide to people when we changed the policy, does allow and businesses. In my opening for how many direct jobs have been comments I talked about the need for created. I can commit to going back and more information being published about looking at the specific company and see the grants and contributions program and how many jobs were created here in the minister did state from Mr. Quassa’s Iqaluit. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. question that he is willing to provide Chairman. more details. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2832 very much. Mr. Rumbolt. we do of all our programs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think he answered my Chairman (interpretation): Thank you question in part. My next question is: very much. Mr. Rumbolt. when these companies apply for this funding, how much detail do they have Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. to give? Do they have to give such Chairman. When it comes to people details as how many jobs they’re going applying for the grants and contributions to create, how many beneficiaries are from the department, is it done on a need going to be employed, and what else the basis? What I mean is if a company money is going to be spent on? How comes to you and it’s a multi-million detailed of information does the dollar company and they want to expand department ask for? Thank you, Mr. to a different venture, and they come to Chairman. you for investment money into this company, do you treat them differently Chairman (interpretation): Thank you or are they just as qualified as somebody very much. Minister Akeeagok. coming in who is just starting out fresh, a new company with very little money to Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. invest? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. Through you, could I ask my assistant deputy minister, who chairs and Chairman (interpretation): Thank you reviews these proposals, Mr. MacIsaac, very much. Minister Akeeagok. to respond to that question? (interpretation) Thank you. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you. (interpretation ends) Thank Chairman (interpretation): Thank you you, Mr. Chairman. For the Strategic very much. Mr. MacIsaac. Investments Program, we do have two streams. One is for Nunavut businesses Mr. MacIsaac: Thank you, Mr. and that is the Business Investment Fund Chairman. We have a very rigorous due that provides maximum equity diligence process for applications under contribution of $250,000 to larger this and all of our programs; such things Nunavut business ventures in strategic as audited financial statements, details, sectors or where businesses have export as the member suggests, on the number potential. Funding is provided based on of jobs being created and what the the gap in equity required to implement program is. That’s the application the strategic project. process and we also have a reporting process that comes at the end of the The other funding is for the Nunavut program or the project which basically Economic Foundation Fund and that’s details the information, “Did they do for the non-government organization or what they said they were going to do?” non-business. That’s to provide support As the minister mentioned earlier, we for a minimum of $50,000 to have strengthened the due diligence on organizations and municipalities to carry these programs. It’s part of a more out activities to improve the ability of onerous monitoring and evaluation that Nunavummiut to participate in the

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Nunavut economy. Thank you, Mr. specific factors account for the length of Chairman. time that it’s taking to be updated? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. (interpretation ends) K-4. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Economic Development and Akeeagok. Transportation. Corporate Management. Ms. Angnakak. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Through you, could I ask my Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Minister, Udlu, to respond to Chairman. I want to concentrate really that? Thank you. on Iqaluit, the breakwater, the dock, and just to get a good sense of an update on Chairman (interpretation): Thank you that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. very much. Ms. Hanson.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Ms. Hanson (interpretation): Thank you. very much. This was asked previously, (interpretation ends) Thank you for the but if the minister would like to respond question. When it comes to the strategy, to that, he can. Minister Akeeagok. yes, we agree, it’s taking far too long. There are a number of factors that have Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. contributed to the delay. At the risk of Chairman. For our capital projects on the pointing fingers, which I really don’t Iqaluit port, is what the member wants, want to do because we’re all an update on how it is? If it is, the stakeholders in the development of the project is on schedule and on time. Nunavut economy, but the department They’re set to restart again this summer was waiting on the strategy that was to for them to complete this project. Thank be developed and released by the you, Mr. Chairman. Nunavut Economic Forum because we were contributors to their budget and to Chairman (interpretation): Thank you the development and strategy. There very much. Unfortunately we’re not were a number of delays that happened dealing with capital items right now; there. we’re dealing with operations and maintenance. Ms. Angnakak. Once we realized that perhaps that strategy wasn’t to going to come into Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. I just fruition or whatever it’s called, reality, thought I would ask while we have the we decided to embark on our own experts here. You see, we want to know specific one for the Government of what’s going on. I want to talk about the Nunavut, so concentrate on the economic development strategy that was government in terms of what can we do released quite a while ago now, in 2003. to organize ourselves in a manner that Your business plan indicates that the will help promote economic activity Nunavut Economic Development amongst all departments, work better Strategy update has not yet been together, and provide some clarity in completed. As of today, what is the terms of how to move forward. status of the new strategy, and what

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The focus of the strategy shifted, very much. Ms. Angnakak. although what we are using in our drafts is everything we have heard from the Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. communities because there was a Chairman. Can the department or the community engagement tour that was minister tell us: in what specific ways is conducted by the department. We used the new Nunavut Economic the feedback from the communities to Development Strategy anticipated to be figure out how to organize ourselves different from the current one? Thank better. We feel as though this will be you, Mr. Chairman. actually a stronger document in that it’s an inward look to promote economic Chairman (interpretation): Thank you development. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. very much. Minister Akeeagok.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. very much. Ms. Angnakak. Chair. I want to applaud the members here for continually raising it. The main Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. focus is to create jobs and that’s going to Chairman. Can the minister tell us: who be our focus on our strategy. That’s the are the partners now? You mentioned the major difference. Thank you, Mr. communities, but whom in the Chairman. communities, and how is the economic development forum involved, if they are Chairman: (interpretation) Thank you involved with this still today? Thank very much. Ms. Angnakak. you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman. People are always talking very much. Minister Akeeagok. about the Internet these days and how slow it is, and then we hear of big Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. amounts of money being provided to Chairman. Currently this is a some businesses when it comes to government-led initiative and the Internet. Your 2018-19 main estimates communities were involved. Our staff included $300,000 in contribution visited each and every of the funding for the new Nunavut Broadband communities and reviewed the draft with Development Program. How is this them and that would be with the funding being spent today? Thank you, municipalities, economic development Mr. Chairman. officers, and any of the stakeholders within the community. Those were our Chairman (interpretation): Thank you primary people to go and see and very much. (interpretation ends) And consult, and this draft which is on its may I remind members to be cognizant fourth draft right now is one that is of the interpreters. Minister Akeeagok. within our own government. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. Thank you for the question. For this fiscal year that was being asked Chairman (interpretation): Thank you in terms of how much we have spent to

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date, we have not spent any money to explain about how they will work with date to that specific broadband grant. the contractor? How is the department Thank you, Mr. Chairman. involved when they see numbers like this that aren’t meeting the targets? Do Chairman (interpretation): Thank you you give them the whole length, like the very much. Ms. Angnakak. period of the whole contract, or is this something that you’re going to monitor Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. every so many months? How do you Chairman. I’m going to go back to our work with the contractor when you see doc but with a different question. Your this? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. business plan for 2019-2022 indicates on page 239 that it is “monitoring labour Chairman (interpretation): Thank you content in Nunavut’s marine very much. Minister Akeeagok. infrastructure projects in Iqaluit and Pond Inlet, and has discussed training Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. requirements with the contractor.” To Chairman. Within this capital project it what extent has the contractor met its is very closely monitored and one that Inuit labour content obligations, and our NNI Secretariat monitors when it what specific training requirements have comes to the payroll. They have an been identified? Thank you, Mr. ongoing dialogue with the company and Chairman. we will continue in terms of if they’re not meeting their obligations and Chairman (interpretation): Thank you identify what those penalties are. very much. Minister Akeeagok. I also want to stress that we do have Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you Mr. project managers that oversee this Chairman. I want to stress this is still an project. It’s something that we’re very ongoing capital project that we are closely monitoring. I just want to assure monitoring and yes, we are monitoring the members for this, the way our NNI it. As of the end of September 2018, the Secretariat monitors is that they do Pond Inlet Inuit content payroll was receive payroll records from the averaging around 19 percent and their company and gets identified at which are obligation is at 15 percent. For the Inuit and non-Inuit. Thank you, Mr. Iqaluit project, the obligation was at 15 Chairman. percent and currently it is at 11 percent. I do want to stress this is still an ongoing Chairman: Thank you. We are on the project and we will continue to monitor borderline of capital, but we are dealing it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. with operations and maintenance. As it relates to ED&T staff overseeing the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, operations and maintenance of these very much. Ms. Angnakak. contracts, I’m allowing it. Ms. Angnakak. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand that when you Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. don’t meet the obligations, there are Chairman. I beg to differ. I’m talking penalties and that, but could the minister about employment and the NNI, and I

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2836 am allowed to ask those kinds of of how we can try to attract more Inuit questions. into these contracts that are coming, I think, through that collaboration and When it comes to the department connecting Family Services that has the working with the contractor when you apprentices and NNI that knows where see lower numbers than what the targets they are and our contractor who were and the NNI Secretariat works with determines the levels. them, what happens when the NNI Secretariat meets with the contractor and Like you say, there might be because you realize, meaning you the NNI, that there are too many projects. Through maybe they just aren’t the people, like that, I think that’s where we’re working no, maybe because we have so many to improve this through our secretariat. other projects going on, that’s a reality? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is that still a penalty even though a contractor may be in that kind of a Chairman (interpretation): Thank you situation? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. very much. Ms. Angnakak.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. very much. Minister Akeeagok. Chairman. I’m going to something totally different now. On September 22, Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. 2016 the Government of Nunavut Chairman. Yes, NNI does monitor a announced that the Department of number of these contracts and works Economic Development and with the contractors. Once the contract is Transportation’s Tourism and Cultural signed with their obligations, they are Industries Division will be assuming expected and through that, the contractor responsibility for tourism development, has to justify how they’re meeting or marketing, and research, including exceeding or not meeting their visitor experience and visitor centre obligations. That is something that we operations, and that Nunavut Tourism monitor and do that. I don’t know if would “continue as a membership-based there are specifics of whether we change association that will focus on supporting contracts to reflect that. I don’t think we its members.” do. I think that once they’re obligated, they need to do that. I think what the The number of positions in your NNI Secretariat does is basically says department’s Tourism and Cultural that yes, you are meeting or not meeting Industries Division increased from 9 to your obligations and these are initiatives 19 PYs during the [2017-18] fiscal year. that you can do. As of today, how many of these positions are filled with indeterminate I thank the member for giving me this employees? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. opportunity for the wonderful work that the NNI Secretariat is moving forward. I Chairman (interpretation): Thank you think, through good work with our very much. Minister Akeeagok. Family Services, there are good discussions that are taking place with Hon. David Akeeagok: Mr. Chairman, CGS and with Family Services in terms please bear with me. I have that

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2837 information; I’ve had it in the House trying to attract as many. That’s going to ready for it. kick-start our new strategy. I think this is going to be our evaluation in terms of For the indeterminate filled with how we’re doing. indeterminate are 10 that I can count right here that are filled indeterminately Ever since that 2016 has happened, but at this time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. from 2016 to current, when I assumed this portfolio, it has been wonderful Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. presentations from my staff. Just a few days ago there were announcements on Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. the businesses that are receiving awards Chairman. Can the minister or the in our territory. I think that’s a testament department tell me if they have done any of the work that our wonderful staff and evaluations since the move of these the members from Travel Nunavut have responsibilities from the Nunavut done. I want to applaud that. Thank you, Tourism association to the department? Mr. Chairman. What kind of changes have you seen? Have they been positive or are they Chairman: Thank you. Just a note, negative, or maybe there’s no Tourism is on page K-5 under Economic difference? In the area of tourism there Development. We are on K-4. Economic is such a big potential there. Thank you, Development and Transportation. Mr. Chairman. Corporate Management. Mr. Kaernerk.

Chairman (interpretation): That is on Mr. Kaernerk (interpretation): Thank the next page, but I will leave it at the you, Mr. Chairman. Good day, minister discretion of the minister to respond. and officials. Minister Akeeagok. To begin, (interpretation ends) the Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. department’s draft 2019-2020 main Chairman. Thank you very much for estimates include $3,358,000 in core this. There is a very positive atmosphere funding for the Nunavut Development when it comes to this. It’s one that, Corporation and $700,000 in core throughout the country, there are a funding for the Nunavut Business Credit number of tourism strategies that have Corporation. What new priorities for the been started at the provincial, territorial two corporations have you included in and federal level. The federal the 2019-2020 signed ministerial letter government kick-started their tourism of expectation to the Nunavut strategy right here in Nunavut by Development Corporation and the announcing it in Rankin Inlet. Nunavut Business Credit Corporation? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. For our government, the exciting thing Chairman. that we are doing and something that I will be saying in a minister’s statement a Chairman (interpretation): Thank you little later on, if time allows for it, will very much. Minister Akeeagok. be in terms of the tourism summit that we’re planning earlier this spring of

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Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): with these two corporations. Thank you, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The letters of Mr. Chairman. expectation that we sign each year were just signed recently, but I wasn’t Chairman (interpretation): Thank you expecting detailed questions, so I didn’t very much. Mr. Kaernerk. bring those letters with me. I look forward to tabling those letters as we do Mr. Kaernerk (interpretation): Thank annually. We’re kind of waiting for them you, Mr. Chairman. I don’t know what to be tabled first. I’m sorry that don’t it’s going to be like if they merged. have the details in front of me, but I would like to say that we have a close Perhaps as a preamble, the Department working relationship with these two of Finance’s draft 2019-2022 business corporations. That’s how it is. Thank plan indicates on page 22 that they are you, Mr. Chairman. “working to develop memoranda of understanding with the territorial Chairman (interpretation): Thank you corporations…” What specific goals and very much. Mr. Kaernerk. objectives do the Nunavut Development Corporation and the Nunavut Business Mr. Kaernerk (interpretation): Thank Credit Corporation have in relation to you, Mr. Chairman. We will be this initiative? I would like more anticipating getting more details. information on that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Now, in looking at this chart, it shows two different corporations. Has the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Department of Economic Development very much. Minister Akeeagok. ever considered or have any plans to merge these two corporations? Has this Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): ever been considered or not? Thank you, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also thank Mr. Chairman. you. The Department of Finance does a tremendous amount of work on the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you agencies or territorial corporations. The very much. Minister Akeeagok. two corporations are under my ministerial portfolio. They also Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): cooperate on mutual issues and we try to Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maybe our produce consistency in the annual colleague was eavesdropping during our reports, including shared goals and meetings on that matter. I’m glad that objectives. We want to see that within you asked the question. I have had the reports that are produced and further, discussions with these two corporations if their work is operating efficiently about the possibility of a merger. I can’t within government operations, so they tell you exactly what the outcome is are assessed in that regard. going to be, but we’ve had discussions about merging or combining these two Every year a letter of expectation is sent or if their job descriptions are too from the minister, but when the letter is different, then we will stay status quo. I being prepared, we work with the do have a close working relationship Department of Finance and other

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impacted departments to complete the food sales? Hopefully I was clear, but I letter. As specified on page 22, this is the will stop there for now. Thank you, Mr. type of work we undertake Chairman. collaboratively with the two corporations. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Akeeagok. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. Kaernerk. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That question Mr. Kaernerk (interpretation): Thank was also raised in this House earlier you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, that’s quite during oral questions about muskox. We fascinating to hear and thank you for the are open to deliberating with other clarification. organizations. Yes, we want to devise new ways to create opportunities as we I want to move to this issue specific to need to create diversity, not just have a my constituency. It is regarding mining industry or a fishing industry or entrepreneurship or business creation. If just public servant positions, but we look at my constituency and my diversity in our economy. We need to community in particular, there aren’t create these initiatives and we want to very many private businesses. You also work with our communities. mentioned earlier that there are job creation initiatives the department wants I can speak about one of my to realize, to have development constituency communities. As an opportunities for the communities. example, the Aiviq HTO in Grise Fiord operates a small business arm focusing If we look at the smaller communities, on sports hunts, for polar bears in this when they are trying to create business case as per their mandates. Further, an opportunities, you recognize certain organization that wishes to create a bodies, using HTOs as an example. Do business arm, such as the local HTOs, you have the option of reconsidering this can create a separate business arm if issue alluded to earlier related to the they wish. They can apply for various Country Food Distribution Program and grants and contributions under our policy? I wonder if these bodies can departmental programs, which is why we have a small business arm in the are requesting allocations under the communities, perhaps in conjunction grants and contributions totalling $3 with the Qikiqtani Inuit Association and million under the (interpretation ends) their business arm, the Qikiqtaaluk Strategic Investments Program Corporation. (interpretation) that is specific to business creation assistance funding. Have you ever thought of increasing the opportunities to provide that to the Sometimes our departmental employees smaller communities that have low in the Baffin region are housed in Pond numbers of private businesses? I believe Inlet, in the it is in this can provide a benefit. Can this type Kugluktuk, and in the Kivalliq region it of idea be considered to have a business is in (interpretation ends) Baker? arm creating some income from country (interpretation) Sorry, it is in Rankin

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Inlet. The employees have scheduled met for the first time last week. They visits to their regional communities, so have a future meeting planned and I will we use our employees to look for wait for that meeting to occur first. I opportunities in the communities. I urge don’t have a date identified at this time. communities wishing to create Thank you, Mr. Chairman. businesses to do so. We are aware of the sales of country foods and we have Chairman (interpretation): Thank you estimated that $1.2 million in sales very much. Ms. Towtongie. occurs here in Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. How much public Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, funds are being requested from the very much. (interpretation ends) We are government? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. on page K-4. Economic Development and Transportation. Corporate Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Management. Total Operations and very much. Minister Akeeagok. Maintenance, to be Voted. $18,665,000. Agreed? Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With respect Some Members: Agreed. to that, we developed ideas on the type of building they are interested in Chairman (interpretation): Thank you designing as well as the purpose of their very much. Turn the page. proposed building. The final cost (interpretation ends) K-5. Economic estimates haven’t been provided as they Development and Transportation. have not begun cost estimates yet. Economic Development. Ms. Towtongie. We have heard from two bodies, QIA representation and Qaggiavuut Society Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank representatives. They are the only two you, Mr. Chairman. I only have three we have heard back from, but I tasked questions. Looking at the business plan the committee to prepare a business case for 2019-2020 at the bottom of page 244, if they want to create the (interpretation it states that one of their priorities is to ends) Nunavut Cultural Centre. “Study the proposal from the Steering (interpretation) We would like to see Committee for a Nunavut Cultural their proposed outline. Thank you, Mr. Centre and provide final Chairman. recommendation to Cabinet.” When was this proposal given to your department? Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Thank you, Mr. Chairman. very much. Ms. Towtongie.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank very much. Minister Akeeagok. you, Mr. Chairman. Our perspective should be that this centre would be for Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): the whole territory and specifically the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Inuit culture, which I prefer be housed committee was recently created and they outside of Iqaluit. It should be right in

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the centre of the territory, in Rankin Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Inlet. I’m just kidding. However, I ask: if Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Currently we the proposal is submitted to the anticipate more marine traffic. Actually government, can the minister provide a we are getting more ships traversing our copy to the committee? Thank you, Mr. waters and community-based training for Chairman. the Coast Guard Auxiliary specific to the marine shipping challenges and how we Chairman (interpretation): Thank you can work together with the industry. very much. Minister Akeeagok. That is one area.

Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Another avenue, which the MLAs Thank you. Yes, as soon as we get the granted to the department, was report, we will table it in the House for authorization to draft a bill specific to my colleagues. Thank you, Mr. the cruise ship industry. This would Chairman. address the concerns expressed by communities, for example, lands they Chairman (interpretation): Thank you don’t want accessed, and this would be very much. (interpretation ends) K-5. managed through the licensing process Economic Development and when they submit applications. This is Transportation. Economic Development. one area that we are exploring to Ms. Angnakak. determine if we can enact changes. That comprises what I can report on. Thank Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I almost called you Mr. Tourism because that’s what I want to Chairman (interpretation): Thank you talk about. very much. Ms. Angnakak.

>>Laughter Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know that there are I asked my other question, I guess, when communities that don’t welcome this I wasn’t supposed to and I’m thanking type of tourism mainly because some the department for answering. communities have voiced the concern that it’s them kind of paying out money Just a couple of questions in regard to for entertainment and stuff. Is there the direction the department is going anything in place that requires a cruise when it comes to tourism. There has ship to pay a community a certain been talk about cruise ships and I’m amount for visiting their community? wondering what position the department Thank you, Mr. Chairman. takes when it comes to cruise ship type tourism. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Akeeagok. Chairman: Thank you. Minister of Economic Development and Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Transportation, Minister Akeeagok. Chairman. Yes, there is an allowance for communities to put that in place through our regulations. The current practice is

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2842 that the outfitting company that puts actually was in a restaurant where the passengers in those, they make a part-owner of a cruise company that program and they work with our comes up here, we were talking and he economic development officers in the was telling me about how they get all the communities in terms of what kind of passengers to pay extra money, some presentations, if any, that’s going to take kind of extra money that’s going to go place. It’s variety of responses to that towards the community. Let’s say your question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ticket costs $1,000, well, then they had to pay $1,100 and that extra money went Chairman (interpretation): Thank you to the community for a project that the very much. Ms. Angnakak. community would decide.

Ms. Angnakak (interpretation): Thank When I asked him: “Well, you have been you, Mr. Chairman. Is there a fee for going into Nunavut for quite some years. supporting communities financially? I What kinds of projects have you didn’t know whether I got a yes or no. funded?” He replied that they hadn’t Do they pay a fee to come into funded any projects, even though they communities? Is there a uniform pay collected the money. How do you work structure? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. with the cruise companies to ensure that communities are getting paid for what Chairman (interpretation): Thank you they should be? Thank you, Mr. very much. Minister Akeeagok. Chairman.

Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman. As part of the permitting of very much. Minister Akeeagok. the cruise ships, there is what we call “service packaging opportunities.” Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you. That’s one of the conditions that, when a Through that permit there is a reporting cruise ship is going to one of the requirement and those cruise ships that communities, they’re obligated to have these service opportunities, that’s provide certain opportunities. It is where the additional fees that would go through our permitting system. Thank the passengers. I don’t know how a you, Mr. Chairman. cruise ship actually charges their passengers, but if there are fees towards Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. that, it would be towards that.

Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. I know in the community that I Chairman. I just want to get a better represent, for Grise Fiord, the cruise understanding. When you say ships that have been going up, some of “obligations, opportunities,” is that the things that they do is provide a financial support that goes into the cultural showcase in the community and communities? When you say programs, they get greeted all dressed in traditional it’s like they’re going to do something. clothing. Those are the things that the community works with the cruise ships Quite a few years ago now, I must admit in terms getting money out of the cruise it was maybe four or five years ago, I ships.

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The other ways that we’re doing in terms Chairman (interpretation): Thank you how can we benefit more from cruise very much. Minister Akeeagok. ships is that we’re providing more and more training opportunities for our Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. communities. We’ve got different Chairman. If I understand the question, it training opportunities on how to deal is: what are the differences in the with cruise ships and cruise ship-ready training that we offer to our cruise ships, preparation workshops and Inuit cruise our hunting, our sports hunts, our eco- ship training initiatives. Those are ones tourism, and different sectors within that we offer so communities can be tourism? I don’t have the actual better prepared. breakdown as to which we fund more or fund less. Through our ongoing dialogues with the cruise ships companies that are coming What we’re trying to do is encompass all here more and more, from permitting of them in terms of providing... . A then we will get into… . What we’re classic example is providing Wilderness gearing towards is to have First Aid that can apply to anyone of memorandums of understanding with the them; tourism officer workshops, cruise ships. That’s going to get more heritage visitor centre training, or cruise formalized. I thank the communities for ship boot camp. their ongoing reporting from our communities. This is, I think, probably Then we’ve got partnerships with the going to be a huge chapter in our tourism Nunavut Marine and Fishing Training strategy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Consortium in terms of launching the Inuit Cruise Ship Training Initiative that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you was launched in 2017. very much. Ms. Angnakak. I am hoping, through our strategy, that Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. This is a we start putting it into sectors so we can very interesting topic for me. I think report to this House in terms of what there has been a lot of discussion within levels, where we’re providing our the communities about cruise ships and supports, and where we are focusing our the industry of where it’s going as we efforts when it comes to tourism. are getting more and more cruise ship lines coming up to Nunavut. For the cruise ships, the 2018 actual data will be available in April 2019 and it I’ve got a couple of question on this. will be our department’s annual tourism One is: when you look at the cruise ship report. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. industry versus the other kind of tourism industry, what is the difference in Chairman (interpretation): Thank you funding that is allocated towards very much. Ms. Angnakak. supporting the cruise ship industry versus maybe some other kind of Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. tourism? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I guess the thing about the cruise ship tourism industry is that they don’t use our hotels, they don’t really

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2844 buy our food, they don’t use our airlines, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. and they probably don’t use the taxis. I’m assuming that the tickets to get on Chairman (interpretation): Thank you those ships are pretty expensive. very much. Ms. Angnakak.

I’m wondering if you’re tracking what Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. they’re buying. What are they buying in Chairman. Well, when I think about the community? Are they buying the cruise ships, I find that they’re not really $200 and under types of souvenirs or are spending very much money at all. If you they buying the big-ticket items? What start to have a thousand people get off are these cruise ship tourists interested and go to Gjoa Haven, everybody needs in? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. to go to the washroom, people need to… . Even buying a cup of coffee, you need Chairman (interpretation): Thank you to be ready for those amounts and the very much. Minister Akeeagok. community needs, perhaps, some support like if the water use is going to Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. quadruple within an hour. I don’t know. Chairman. According to our 2015 I’m just thinking that these are kinds of visitors exit survey, the cruise ship the supports, perhaps, that the passengers spent on an average about community is going to need. Where is $670 per individual. Based on that, they that going to come from? Is that coming are buying smaller items for the from the department? products. If people aren’t really spending much… I must stress that the cruise ships are . Somebody just told me a story a couple getting bigger and The Serenity, I think, of days ago about here. One of the issues is probably the biggest with a thousand with the cruise ship is they’re supposed passengers, but then you’re starting to to let you know a certain time in advance speak volume. When you start speaking that they’re coming to a community. volumes, where we’re trying to promote This one didn’t do that coming to Iqaluit, to our communities if they’re being this one for some reason, so they had to visited is to find ways of capitalizing on go and open up the visitor centre. that. Somebody local found out that these The member from Gjoa Haven and I had people were coming off the ship, so they a good discussion on that when it comes got some people together to go down to to… . There are a whole slew of people the visitor centre with some carvings and wanting to visit the Franklin. When it hoping, and he was telling me that they was discovered, we saw a big spike of never bought anything. They went and cruise ship passenger bookings. There looked at everything, but they didn’t are opportunities that we really need to really buy from the local people. capture. It’s kind of concerning to me. What are I think, through these things like exit we promoting? The only way that this surveys, that we are getting the data that kind of tourism is going to really help us we need in order to focus our efforts. is if they spend money in Nunavut and

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the money stays here. Otherwise we’re monitors or in short of having just giving. inspectors, which we can allow for through our permitting if we know that Just one more question on this and that they are going to areas that we don’t is… . When the cruise ships are want them to go. Last season there were travelling between communities, I have two communities that specifically asked heard stories of, and of course it could cruise ships not to go to very sensitive, all be rumours, that sometimes they stop community-sensitive places. As far as in areas and there’s really no way of we know, they honoured it. providing oversight of where they’re stopping, like in the middle of One of the things that we also are somewhere, in the middle of two following is under the federal communities and that people are getting regulations, any vessel that operates off and exploring. There are old Tuniq more than 12 passengers does need to sites and stuff like that that we don’t have the AIS, which is a monitoring want them to be disturbed. How does the system, and they track exactly where department monitor this? Thank you, that ship is going, where it stopped, and Mr. Chairman. where they are. Through that we’re able to monitor whether they are going to Chairman: Thank you. Minister sensitive places and, if they do, then Akeeagok. through our permitting we have every right to fine or charge the cruise ship Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. operators. This could lead to operators Chairman. Yes, I think, for cruise ships, losing their licenses. it is a different clientele. I admit that. It is different because they do pay for the Through this House we were blessed to full package and they do expect full be given the opportunity to have an Act packages. This is where we are working that allows us to do these things, and I very closely with the communities that applaud our House for doing that. Thank are being visited into providing cruise you, Mr. Chairman. ship preparedness workshops and the expectations that they should have when Chairman: Thank you. (interpretation) it comes to cruise ship passengers, and Please keep your responses as concise as one that we will continue to raise to the possible and further, if your questions communities. can be more specific to the items under the Department of Economic There are different programs and good Development and Transportation as they opportunities, such as the one that I know the issues under their mandate, as mentioned on the Inuit cruise ship they have dealt with that for many years. training. It’s a fine example. Nine of Ms. Angnakak. those trainees were employed on the cruise ships in 2018. That’s a seasonal Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. I didn’t job for those nine Inuit. quite get why that was.

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dedicated person doing that? Maybe I any time we want that data, we’re able to didn’t understand it. You said there’s get that. That’s one that I would ask at some kind of equipment; you can see the staff level that they would be where that cruise ship is going. Well, monitoring it and to report that. I just who’s monitoring that? Thank you, Mr. wanted to state that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman: Thank you. I am also the very much. Minister Akeeagok. Deputy Speaker. Ms. Angnakak.

Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Thank you. (interpretation ends) As part Chairman. Well, in terms of monitoring, of the permitting, they are obligated to it doesn’t seem like it is organized and provide us where they were and we get who is really going to look at things that. Our department does monitor that. because if the number of ships coming Thank you, Mr. Chairman. up is more and more, the likelihood of somebody stopping where they shouldn’t Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. will increase.

Ms. Angnakak: Thank you. Sorry, Mr. I think Nunavut needs to have a way of Chairman, I was referring to…you said making sure that the sites are protected, there’s some kind of electronic even the ones that haven’t been monitoring that was going on where you identified as sensitive sites. I think it’s can see where the ship is. I’m just important. You need to know where the wondering: who is monitoring that and ships are going. Going into the future, is who is providing you with that that something that the minister can information? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. commit to reviewing and looking at, just to make sure that you have an actual Chairman: Thank you. Minister mechanism that you can use to monitor Akeeagok. these kinds of activities? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Deputy Speaker, who is the Chair of this Chairman: Thank you. Minister committee. Akeeagok.

>>Laughter Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are a number of I had to correct myself. (interpretation) monitoring systems that are in place; as I I’m sorry. mentioned, that one that their ship has to report to. NTI has, under their Inuit (interpretation ends) We don’t have Marine Monitoring Program, six dedicated staff looking at every one of communities signed up for live these cruise ships on a daily basis, but monitoring when it comes to the ships, we do and it is a requirement under not necessarily just cruise ships but Transport Canada of them reporting on ships. their routes and where they were. If at

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There is active monitoring through Inuit Economic Development. (interpretation) impact and benefit agreements, such as I would appreciate it if you would raise Tallurutiup Imanga. This year the your hands beforehand. Mr. Main. Qikiqtani Inuit Association just launched a guardianship program up in the Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, community I represent and their task is Mr. Chairman. I’m sorry if you didn’t to monitor these ships too. When they think I had questions. (interpretation discovered the Franklin ship, there is a ends) I’ll try to get through my questions guardianship program that was as quick as possible here. immediately launched by Parks Canada at the sites where Gjoa Havenmiut were First of all, just as a comment, you go hired to monitor the marine. There’s a through all of the different organizations lot of good monitoring taking place. that the department funds, all the different little pots of funding and the I’ll continue to work with my federal little programs and inherited counterparts and NTI in terms of making organizations. We have so many sure those monitoring… . I think when different little organizations all over the we talk about the safety and the amount place. It would be beneficial to consider of ships that are coming, one thing that amalgamating as many as possible. worries us in terms of not being That’s just a general comment. For monitored are these individual yachts example, the NDC, the NBCC; I know under 12 passengers. There have been that has been around for a while. cases where in one of our communities that yacht had to be charged for indecent When it comes to your business support things. programs, is there any way that your staff can exempt applicants from the Those are the very things that I pay very requirement to submit a business plan close attention to through working with under your current policies? our federal-provincial-territorial work (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. and through NTI. I thank the member for Chairman. raising this and it is something that is dear to me. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Akeeagok. Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Angnakak. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the question. Chairman. I just meant to say I don’t That is on the second phase of our have any more questions, but I could review of our policies, and I applaud you take this time. Thank you very much for for raising this. It’s one that yes, we are our dialogue here. It was very interesting definitely looking into as a part of the for me and for the information that you second phase of our reviews in our provided. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. policies. Chairman. The first part has been to consolidate our Chairman: Thank you. K-5. Economic grants and contributions, which will then Development and Transportation. help us to focus in because there are

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groups that… . When there are different (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. little pockets, then you start seeing there Chairman. are different grants that have been taken. Consolidating it will allow for us to sort Chairman (interpretation): Thank you of streamline in terms of funding to very much. Minister Akeeagok. businesses. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Main. Thank you. (interpretation ends) There’s not an immediate review of that at this Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, point to do this. I’m going to ask my Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) deputy minister to elaborate a bit more Thank you, minister. I would like to in terms of what else are we doing, follow up on what was mentioned by my through you, Mr. Chairman. colleague in terms of making sure that when the application comes in the door, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you there is indeed a need for a government very much. Ms. Hanson. grant. Ms. Hanson (interpretation): Thank you. You can have a corporation on the books (interpretation ends) Thank you, Mr. that has zero dollars in assets, but if you Chairman. As the minister had take a deeper look at it and you look referenced earlier this evening, there has who the shareholders are, well, guess been a move to update our policies and what? The shareholders own ten houses one of them is the policy that you have in between them and they have a mentioned. The update in that policy combined net worth of $2 million. It’s will take effect April 1, so we haven’t just an example. On paper the developed a communication plan yet to corporation has no assets. It needs the go out to the communities to provide this money, but really, if you take a deeper information about the updated program. look, I think you know where I’m going However, because you have asked, we with this. will provide you with some of the details of the changes. There’s a lodge near Arviat at . There was a bunch of money that In consultations with the communities, went towards that and I don’t think the they always express the fact that they need was there for that money. didn’t see why they needed to have Personally I think the people behind that economic development plans, that it was lodge are in fact quite wealthy, but they costing a lot of money to develop these did access free government money. plans, and they typically needed to hire a That’s just an example. consultant to draft the plan, which would cost a lot of money. One of the changes When it comes to the community to that program will be that they won’t economic development officers in the be required to submit a plan. It would CCB, the $190,000 that’s provided to still be a fundable activity; they still can hamlets each year, are there any plans to apply for it, they can still receive money change that amount? It has been at that to develop a plan, but it will not be a $190,000 for many years. requirement for us to provide them with

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2849 supplementary funding under the they used to prepare… . I don’t know if $190,000 for economic activities within they still do it. They did a regional their community. breakdown of the summary and you could clearly tell which communities The other change that we are going to be had a strong economic development incorporating is the fact that we used to officer and which communities didn’t. require that they have an economic That’s just a suggestion which would development committee and that they help hamlets to implement performance report to that committee as to what their management with their CEDOs. I know plans are and whether or not those it’s not ED&T’s job to hire and fire activities have been approved. What we CEDOs. It’s just a suggestion there, so I heard from communities as well is that will just put that out. that committee typically is a redundant committee, like they do it for the sake of When it comes to a trade shows, there our program whereas there are a small are three regional trade shows plus the bunch of people to have this committee Nunavut Mining Symposium. I would requirement isn’t all that necessary. If like to hear how the department decides we still have the same committee people how much money they’re going to put that are agreeing on economic activities, into trade shows each year. so that committee will no longer be (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. required. Chairman.

Those are two major changes for that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you capacity policy change. Those are the very much. Minister Akeeagok. ones worth noting. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For the chamber of commerce Chairman: Thank you. Before we that do the trade shows, we work with proceed and continue with Mr. Main’s them in terms of when they’re providing line of questioning, we will take a five- their budgets and the amount of money minute break. they asked for from our government. What our threshold does try to be is that >>Committee recessed at 20:29 and as a government, our top would try to be resumed at 20:37 at 15 percent of the total budget or lower. It all depends on which trade Chairman: Thank you. I call the shows we’re on. Thank you, Mr. committee meeting back to order. Mr. Chairman. Main. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, very much. Mr. Main. Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) When it comes to community economic Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, development officers, if the department Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Just could start providing a region-by-region a suggestion if the department can take a summary to hamlet councils in each close look at their trade show funding community in terms of, in the Kivalliq, because I’m not sure that it’s always the

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best way to spend money. I’ll get to a community. When there are training point around that. opportunities, they go and provide various and different types of either It’s an observable practice or it’s training or best practices. observable that when you have an ED&T office in your community, it’s a Through this budget that we’re asking lot easier to fill out all the required for, that’s what we are proposing. Thank application forms. I’m not saying that you, Mr. Chairman. the employees are biased towards people; it’s easier when you can sit Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Main. down with an expert and say, “Walk me through this application form,” face to Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, face. Yes, there are economic Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) development officers in every Another example of an alternative use community, but the ED&T, the for money that goes into trade shows, regional…I’m talking about the that plane ticket that sends somebody to community operations employees. a trade show somewhere could send a That’s on page 251. grade 12 graduate to a mine site. A visit like that could change their life. I think When I’m talking about trade shows, the minister would agree that when you even a portion of that money could be actually visit an operating mine and you put into ensuring that the community see it with your own two eyes, it’s pretty operations employees do more travel to amazing. That’s just a suggestion. the communities in their region. It could provide a lot of benefit for community In terms of tourism…I’m trying to move members trying to start up a business. very quickly here. In terms of tourism, (interpretation) I would like to know if the Nunavut tourism budget was cut that idea will be taken into quite significantly in recent years. The consideration. Thank you, Mr. minister mentioned the work that’s being Chairman. done in-house with ED&T. In terms of that relationship with Nunavut tourism Chairman (interpretation): Thank you and ED&T, is the new arrangement very much. Minister Akeeagok. working better for tourism businesses, and what’s the evidence of that? Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Thank you. (interpretation ends) Chairman. Through this budget that we’re trying to get approved, we budgeted to have both Chairman (interpretation): Thank you of that to support the ongoing trade very much. Minister Akeeagok. shows because there are some benefits to that. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For his first comment about Also, what the member just talked about students going to mines, I think we do is having our staff visit communities have a program that allows for students more, on average there are at least two to learn about mining. I also want to visits from our regional offices to every applaud our Kivalliq regional office.

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They have developed an ago or last week about specifically that, entrepreneurship for youth for each of incorporating mining into curriculum. I the Kivalliq communities that allows a don’t recall that there is a specific youth to venture into entrepreneurship. module. I think grade 4 was mentioned, One of the things that we’re also doing if I recall correctly. I’ll just put that as a as part of our mining symposium is we suggestion, if the department can keep will be inviting students to come and working on that so that we have mining- have discussions with the mining related curriculum, including companies to see the benefits of mining. environmental type things, because we have to have a proper balance. It should For the second part of your question, be standard curriculum in every school through you, if I could ask my assistant in Nunavut because that’s a big chunk of deputy minister to respond to the second our economic future, I believe. I’ll just portion. Thank you. put that out there as a comment.

Chairman Thank you. Mr. MacIsaac. As for Nunavut tourism and ED&T, the current arrangement where Nunavut Mr. MacIsaac: Thank you, Mr. tourism is doing a much smaller role Chairman. The value of engaging youth than they used to, ED&T is doing more in tourism and mining and understanding than they used to. Is that proving to be what are all the opportunities related to more effective for the businesses in the those particular fields is very important. tourism sector? (interpretation) Thank We have funded many programs by you, Mr. Chairman. various agencies to actually increase awareness to students in the schools with Chairman Thank you. Minister respect to mining, with respect to Akeeagok. tourism, with respect to entrepreneurship. We have engaged with Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. some large organizations, national Chairman. I am of the view that it has organizations that have already improved and it is one that will continue developed programs to actually go into to evolve. I think Travel Nunavut used to the schools and to deliver those. It’s an be Nunavut Tourism. What you think is ongoing effort and we’re also engaging smaller, but they’re more strategic and with our fellow departments within the more focused. For our department doing Government of Nunavut to see how we Destination Nunavut, doing the can work better together to address the marketing and for research, I think we’re need and to address the opportunities starting to see a lot of that. When we do that are out there. Thank you, Mr. our tourism summit this spring, that’s a Chairman. fine time to do some of our evaluation as part of “Okay, what are we doing? Are Chairman (interpretation): Thank you we doing it right? If not, which way do very much. Mr. Main. we go?” I think, leading that and with support from Travel Nunavut, those are Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, things that we’re going to focus on. Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I did Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ask the Minister of Education a few days

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Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Main. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the member for Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, asking this. Our three regional chambers Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I of mines are running well right now. All don’t have any further questions. I just three of them are well equipped in terms wanted to comment that I really of doing their regional work. I think it’s appreciate the work of the Nunavut timely and something that we’re looking Development Corporation. I am a past at in terms of how do we make a board member, but they have Nunavut chamber of commerce and subsidiaries in both Arviat and Whale what relevance will that be… . Cove and they do some really great Unofficially that is the work that we’re work. That’s just a comment. starting to do and starting to promote. As (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. you know, the chamber of commerce Chairman. creates their own. As a government, we help support, but it’s not necessarily for Chairman Thank you. K-5. Economic the government to decide whether there Development. Mr. Lightstone. should be a Nunavut chamber of commerce; we can advocate for it. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I thought you forgot about me there for a moment. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. (interpretation ends) K-5. Just a couple of quick questions. I was (interpretation) Economic Development. just curious if the minister has taken any Mr. Qirngnuq. consideration to creation of a Nunavut chamber of commerce. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for recognizing me. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Akeeagok. I would like to ask a question about what my colleague, the Member for Iqaluit- Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Niaqunnguu, mentioned earlier. I just Chairman. Yes, Mr. Chairman. wanted to know what the minister’s department thinks about cruise ships Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. coming into the communities. A lot of people are concerned about what Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. incidents might occur in our waters. I Chairman. Thank you for the brief wonder if the Department of Economic response. I would like to ask the Development has any plans on that. minister: what type of consideration has Thank you Mr. Chairman. been put into the idea of creating a Nunavut chamber of commerce? Thank Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. you Mr. Chairman. This was responded to, but I’ll leave it up to you to respond, Minister Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Akeeagok. very much. Minister Akeeagok.

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Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): region and they have to provide nautical Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, through charts with the sea depths. I do agree that policy framework, the communities with my colleague that we need that in can identify protected areas prior to the Nunavut as not enough nautical charts licence approval that particular lands are exist. Further, we have informed the not to be landed upon, that specific sites federal side about the issues we face, are culturally significant and specifically the Coast Guard, where we communities don’t want the cruise ships inform them of our concerns with more to visit them. They can supply that ships traversing our waters, with information prior to the licence approval. improper sea depth charts and lack of information on reefs and shoals. For When cruise ships apply for their example, near your community lies a licence, we consult the closest shoal that the ship ran aground on. We communities on what other conditions don’t want incidents like that to happen they want included. This year two again, so we try to work closely with communities identified parcels of lands those entities that are responsible for they didn’t want disturbed, and the looking after our waters in Nunavut. cruise ships adhered to that condition. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. Qirngnuq. very much. Mr. Qirngnuq. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also thank the you, Mr. Chairman. I will try to be clear minister for the information. I believe in my next question. Within our the federal government will be collecting territorial waters of Nunavut, we don’t sea depth data as obviously they don’t have clearly delineated shipping routes want that to happen. With your role as mapped out that ships can follow. What the Government of Nunavut, will you does the (interpretation ends) department collaborate with your federal (interpretation) feel should be changed counterparts to see if more Inuit can be in the future? Will you start identifying trained in scanning sea depths and shipping routes or lanes that cruise ships whether Inuit from Nunavut can get can follow as we anticipate more ship these employment opportunities to traffic in the future, and to ensure their develop these nautical charts? This is my safety? I hope I was understandable, Mr. last question, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Chairman. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Akeeagok. very much. Minister Akeeagok. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): What I mentioned just now was specific Thank you. Thank you for the question. towards Inuit who can work onboard the The Department of Fisheries and Oceans cruise ships, perhaps like a cultural or perhaps it is the Coast Guard that are advisor, and we have commenced a responsible for marine shipping in the training program towards that goal. As

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well, on the fisheries’ front, we also very much. Minister Akeeagok. prepare the training needed. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Now, we are cooperating with the Thank you. With our MOU, there are federal government on their new Oceans seven points where we want to work Protection Plan, which is to manage our together. We will be looking for similar oceans properly through this plan. It will kinds of agreements with Baffinland and determine what types of ships are TMAC. We have placed importance on allowed to enter arctic waters and how employment, education, training, capital safer routes can be determined, the type items, housing, health, and climate of fuel that is allowed, those kinds of change. Those were the items within the details, and to identify shipping lanes. plan, although there are still many We are working with the federal details included in these seven points government to determine these issues. that are within these agreements. These Thank you, Mr. Chairman. are the major areas that we have begun negotiations on. Thank you Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman. very much. (interpretation ends) K-5. Economic Development. Mr. Quassa. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. Quassa. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Now, you have spoken Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, about this on several occasions and Mr. Chairman. I would like to see more members are aware about the examples of these documents tabled in (interpretation ends) Agnico Eagle the House. Will you be able to table the Mines (interpretation) and Government MOUs in the House? Thank you, Mr. of Nunavut (interpretation ends) MOU, Chairman. (interpretation) as they are called. Due to this agreement, the committee has met Chairman (interpretation): Thank you thrice in 2018 and we anticipate that the very much. Minister Akeeagok. other mines in Nunavut… . I imagine other mines are mentioned in the MOU. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you. We will need to commence I wonder about other mines we have negotiations and we will still need to discussed, such as Baffinland operating a come to an agreement as to how much mine at Mary River and TMAC information can be released publicly. Resources mining gold. Now, I believe Once we agree on what can be shown you will have further MOUs with the publicly, I can provide a better response. mines in 2019. What are the main issues However, I anticipate being able to come that will be negotiated in the new to an agreement with the companies and agreements for Baffinland and TMAC that some of the details can be revealed Resources? What can we expect from publicly. We may table portions of the these agreements? How will they be MOUs in this House once we have designed? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. reached agreement. I can’t really commit to providing information as we have not Chairman (interpretation): Thank you reached agreement yet, but that’s what I

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expect. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. closely with our fellow departments and we are working together, at least at the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you officials’ level. Things are now falling very much. Mr. Quassa. into place and I expect this is how it will occur. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think this will be my With that being the case, we also need to final question. We heard that the mining look at federal government funding that sector wants to hire more Inuit and may be applicable or specific to training. Nunavummiut, but there is a lack of We hope to partner with them on this trained professionals, although many type of training program, along with our Inuit are working for Agnico Eagle and regional Inuit organizations that already Baffinland. We heard that Baffinland have agreements with the mining built a new 800-person camp. Further, companies on training initiatives. We we should be looking at Nunavut-wide will also include them. Right now it mine training. seems to be the right time to create this territorial organization and Nunavut is Now, in this document you provided for now in a position with all regions 2019-2020 on page 237 you stated that requiring work in the mining area. you will be working with the Department of Family Services and I think we’re almost at four mines now. Arctic College on how this training Nunavummiut are travelling all over the program will be designed. To date, at place for work and we want to see more. what stage is this training program at? It’s always very gratifying to see Inuit Thank you, Mr. Chairman. driving these huge trucks. When we met with them, I said I hope that in the future Chairman (interpretation): Thank you we will have the whole workforce that very much. Minister Akeeagok. can speak Inuktitut, as we are trying to grow the territory and we should be able Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): to understand each other as Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased Nunavummiut. Thank you, Mr. that we are debating this idea. All the Chairman. mining companies and several representatives of the department meet at Chairman (interpretation): Thank you an annual roundtable where planning very much. (interpretation ends) We are takes place for advancing programs and on K-5. Economic Development. Mr. such. Sometimes each department has Keyootak. specific funds for such initiatives. Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank As I stated earlier, we have you, Mr. Chairman. Let me first ask contemplated creating an agency to plan about this, as my colleague was asking training programs, and many of the about tourism and how they are issues would be finalized. At this time managed. In one of my constituency every year after agreement is reached, communities we have a very large work begins on which entity will do national park that tourists sometimes what work. However, we want to work enter. Who manages tourism access to a

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national park? How is that managed? very much. Ms. Hanson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Hanson (interpretation): Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you (interpretation ends) Thank you for the very much. Minister Akeeagok. question, Mr. Chairman. The increase has to do with the new program that was Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): approved last year called the Community Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before any Engagement Support Program and what organization or company gets a licence, that is, is a program that encourages we ask the communities whether or not dialogue between the exploration they want the tourists to go there. In company and communities. Both the terms of a park, there is a committee. As exploration companies and communities I stated, two communities have stated or community organizations can apply that they don’t want people going to this for this funding just to have particular inlet. One of your constituency conversations as to what sort of work communities said that that inlet should they’re doing in that area because a lot not be entered as it is a wildlife safe of times communities don’t know who to zone. When we were issuing the licence, ask. This is funding for a person and that inlet was off limits based on specific funding for the communities to consultation with the community. Thank access. Nakurmiik, Mr. Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. (interpretation ends) K-5. very much. Mr. Keyootak. Economic Development and Transportation. Economic Development. Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank Total Operations and Maintenance, to be you, Mr. Chairman. Moving on to Voted. $23,390,000. Agreed? something else now, in the business plan for 2019-2020 you have included Some Members: Agreed. $900,000 for the Community Engagement Support Program. Now, this Chairman: Thank you. K-6. Economic represents a 33.3 percent increase from Development and Transportation. the 2018-19 fiscal year. How much of Transportation. Mr. Main. this funding has been spent to date? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) In Chairman (interpretation): Thank you the business plan for airports it mentions very much. Minister Akeeagok. making submissions to Transport Canada for the Airports Capital Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Assistance Program. It says that an Thank you. If I can, through you, ask my agreement was signed for a runway Deputy Minister, Ms. Hanson, to rehabilitation project in Clyde River. respond to that. Thank you, Mr. (interpretation) I would like to get an Chairman. update on what is happening on that front now and if they submitted a request Chairman (interpretation): Thank you for that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman (interpretation): The minister very much. Minister Akeeagok. is asking to switch witnesses. Do you agree to bring in another official? Do Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): you agree? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The project for Clyde River is moving forward. The Some Members: Agreed. upgrades include grading and lighting. We have already agreed to the changes. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. More work is ongoing up to now to Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort an complete that. You may have also heard official out and bring in the other recently that an agreement was also official. reached for Hall Beach, as we heard an announcement. These two agreements Thank you very much. Minister are what we are trying to complete in Akeeagok. this year, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Thank you. I also thank you, my very much. Mr. Main. colleagues, for allowing me to change my witness. I want to recognize Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Assistant Deputy Minister John Mr. Chairman. Thank you, minister. It Hawkins. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. states that requests will be forthcoming for this upcoming year for the two Chairman (interpretation): Thank you projects, or rather (interpretation ends) very much. Mr. Main. two major rehabilitation priorities. (interpretation) What exactly are these Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, two projects or what will the work Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I entail? I would like to ask if he has that guess this is just a clarification I require. information which I want to hear about. The minister mentioned Clyde River and Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hall Beach. At the very bottom of page 258 it says, “Develop two major Chairman: Thank you. Minister rehabilitation priorities for submission to Akeeagok. Transport Canada Airports Capital Assistance Program.” What will those Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): two major priorities be? (interpretation) Thank you. Currently we are working on Thank you, Mr. Chairman. that in Clyde River and Hall Beach. This is what that title is for, as it is specific Chairman: Thank you. Minister towards what we have planned out. Akeeagok.

Since I answered that question, Mr. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, if I can be allowed, I would Chairman. Thank you. For the ask the official to my left be replaced by development that we’re getting ready for another official who is in the waiting the submission to Transport Canada, we room and that they get escorted in. do indicate there are two, but for our Thank you, Mr. Chairman. needs, we have identified three so far. I

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2858 want to stress that these are submissions very much. Minister Akeeagok. that we are going to bring forward to Transport Canada for three communities. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): I just wanted to clarify whether I can Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When the release the community names and those report has been compiled, I plan on three that we’re working in terms of tabling the report. At this time I don’t getting for the submission are Kugaaruk, have that documentation handy. Pangnirtung, ammalu Whale Cove. However, I can commit to providing it at (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. a later date when the report has been Chairman. completed and I will table it. At this time it isn’t part of my briefing notes, so I Chairman (interpretation): Thank you apologize for that, Mr. Chairman. very much. Minister Akeeagok. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): very much. Mr. Main. Yes, I just noticed that I had misread the community name. I apologize. I want to Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, correct this because it is not Kugaaruk Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) My but rather Kugluktuk. Thank you, Mr. last question is about art displays in Chairman. airports. I note that in the 2016-17 contracting report there was $145,000 Chairman (interpretation): Thank you that was spent to the Winnipeg Art very much. Mr. Main. Gallery for art at the Iqaluit airport along with another $50,000 contract for art at Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, the Iqaluit airport design. Mr. Chairman. Thank you, minister, for identifying it. I heard that the airport in My understanding is that there’s another Whale Cove is in bad shape. sculpture there that has just been (interpretation ends) Thank you for unveiled. I don’t know what the cost on confirming that. I do fly in and out of it was, but it looks pretty expensive and Whale Cove and it’s kind of hairy it contrasts that with the art at the Whale knowing that there are issues with the Cove Airport, there are puzzles on the runway itself and the surface. walls, or the art at the Arviat Airport, we have tourism-related displays at the I guess my last questions here are Arviat Airport and they date back, I regarding this Iqaluit airport. It says for believe, to the NWT days or very close this current year, this is on page 260 on to that, maybe early 2000s. the P3 at the very top, the status, “The division continues to monitor the P3 I understand it’s nice to have art in the Partner’s performance, including the airport, but is there a program or is there closeout of deficiencies.” If the minister consideration given to art type of could outline what those deficiencies displays in other airports in Nunavut? were. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman.

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very much. Minister Akeeagok. an application for funding towards displaying Inuit arts and crafts through Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): the department or through tourism Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are no services. We work with ED&T to displays anywhere else, but when new develop that so a display case can be facilities are being constructed, if the installed in their local communities. That display cases have room, then the arts is one way to allow communities to and crafts for the display cases are work towards that through our provided. However, at this time we don’t department, as airport services are more have any display cases immediately for airlines. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. available. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Main. very much. Following my list of names, Ms. Towtongie. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe consideration Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank should be given to that idea, as it would you, Mr. Chairman. I have a question be beneficial. Inuit arts and crafts should specific to page 255, consideration of be displayed to showcase them. If this resolving delays as it states the process was available in every airport, I think it is resulting in prolonged delays in would be perfect rather than have a Nunavut to receive driver’s licences for central display case that causes envious both class 7 and class 5. It states that feelings. It seems to be shouting “Look “…casual Driver Examiners were hired here, we have the most awesome display in Gjoa Haven, Rankin Inlet and case while everyone else has the Iqaluit…” Now, as of today, with that discards, but we have the best airport purpose of resolving the delays in here.” Uniformity is best, so that should getting driver’s licences, what is the be our goal instead. status of this work now? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am aware that yes, in Arviat we will never get a $400 million project to build Chairman (interpretation): Thank you our airport, which is fine and very much. Minister Akeeagok. understandable. Nonetheless, when talking about beautification projects, Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): what is sauce for the goose should also Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This process be sauce for the gander; there should be began at the end of November. The uniformity. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. foundation for that is completed and is now in use. For applicants applying for a Chairman (interpretation): Thank you driver’s licence in the communities, the very much. Minister Akeeagok. computers and cameras have all been updated through that process. We Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): anticipate it will be faster as we have Thank you. I concur with that statement, experimented with different techniques, but at the same time, if a community such as directly broadcasting the feed via wishes to develop a local collection satellite to the three regional centres that towards a display case, they can submit I just mentioned.

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When the file is being transferred Chairman (interpretation): Thank you between communities, this has been the very much. (interpretation ends) K-6. cause of the delays. At this time, when Transportation. Mr. Quassa. the form is filled out, a picture is taken, and then the whole file is sent via Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Internet to Rankin Inlet, Iqaluit, Mr. Chairman. I have a question I want (interpretation ends) or Gjoa Haven. to ask while we’re on airports. In fiscal (interpretation) They go to those year 2018-19 it was stated that these… . communities I mentioned. Thank you, I don’t know the Inuktitut term, so Mr. Chairman. perhaps I will say the words in English, (interpretation ends) “…installation of Chairman (interpretation): Thank you runway visual aids…” (interpretation) I very much. Ms. Towtongie. imagine that these aids are for the pilots attempting to land. It says this is for ten Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank communities. you, Mr. Chairman. This is my final question. On the same page, at the top of Further, in fiscal year 2019-2020 the page 255, it states that the department department has identified communities. instituted “a public information Are these the same ten communities campaign surrounding impaired driving, listed in the previous year, 2018-19, and including cannabis.” 2019-2020 that were to be the prioritized ones where the work would be I am of the mind that provision of completed? Arctic Bay, Grise Fiord, information to the public about new Kimmirut, Sanikiluaq, Gjoa Haven, policies and legislation related to driving Taloyoak, Chesterfield Inlet, Rankin should never be done just once; it has to Inlet, Naujaat, Kugaaruk, and Coral be ongoing. How many times will the Harbour, I believe, are the ten department inform the public about communities. Are these the driving regulations? Thank you, Mr. communities? That’s my first question. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Akeeagok. very much. Minister Akeeagok.

Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I department will try to keep everyone understand the question correctly, there informed about developments along are 10 up there and 10 in 2019-2020. these lines. Not just once, but we will try They’re different. Every year 10 airports to keep people properly informed as are inspected and they see what we’re supposed to, and that will improvements are needed. That’s what continue. Since this law is new, you will the airport division does. Thank you, Mr. be hearing it more than you would, with Chairman. our promotional items. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. Quassa.

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Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, then it’s impossible to land. Mr. Chairman. Now, the ten communities are identified. The You can land in Iqaluit no matter what remaining communities that aren’t the weather is, but in Igloolik they can’t named here have no issues with their do that even though the population is airports and thusly don’t require an over 2,000 people and it’s the largest inspection. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. community outside of Iqaluit in the Baffin region. It has no airport guidance Chairman (interpretation): Thank you system at all. I would like more very much. Minister Akeeagok. information about Igloolik, especially when you said that all airports get Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): inspected annually to see what Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are 25 improvements need to be made. That’s communities and all airports can’t be my question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. inspected right away. We do a quality assurance audit and we can do 10 per Chairman (interpretation): Thank you year. This is set so that we cover all the very much. Minister Akeeagok. communities in three years, but all communities eventually get rated or Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): checked. We have to do the audit in Thank you. Each community has phases. We have to separate the different levels of development and communities when we are doing that. some are older than others. Through this All the other airports are inspected. audit, if they find something that needs There are inspections done annually. to be improved or fixed, we get a letter Thank you, Mr. Chairman. from the federal government telling us what needs to be fixed or equipment that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you is missing that we need to find and very much. Mr. Quassa. install. That’s the kind of letter we get from the federal government. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want more information I don’t have the details for Igloolik, so I now. What exactly do they do? What do can’t say what that pilot was talking they check? What do they inspect? about. I can look into it. I expect there is no GPS guidance system, but we have I’m not sure if it’s true or not, but I been installing them. The other question heard it from a pilot when we were on from the MLA was about the our way to Igloolik. We weren’t able to (interpretation ends) Airports Capital land for a while, but we ended up Assistance Program. (interpretation) We landing. The pilot told me that when are able to do upgrades using that you’re trying to land at the Igloolik program. Igloolik would probably fall Airport, there are no guidance systems at into one of those programs, but we’re all or no locators available. I’m not sure aware of it. if that’s true. I didn’t catch the pilot’s name. The person said Igloolik is a big Whenever a community is lacking community and there is nothing to guide something, we notify the pilots and other you to the airstrip with. If it’s foggy, operators on what’s missing and what’s

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2862 broken. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. (interpretation ends) K-6. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Economic Development and very much. Mr. Quassa. Transportation. Transportation. Total Operations and Maintenance, to be Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Voted. $45,044,000. Agreed? Mr. Chairman. This will be my final question. For the airport in Iqaluit we Some Members: Agreed. don’t use anymore, the yellow terminal building, we have heard that the Chairman: Thank you. Back to page K- government might be repurposing it. I 3. Department Summary. Economic just want an update on that. I believe it’s Development and Transportation. Total not being utilized at all. I see the cargo Operations and Maintenance, to be people there, as well as aircraft no longer Voted. $87,099,000. Agreed? in use. What are your intentions for that building? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Some Members: Agreed. That will be my final question. Chairman: Do members agree that we Chairman (interpretation): Thank you have concluded the Department of very much. Minister Akeeagok. Economic Development and Transportation? Agreed? Hon. Minister Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Some Members: Agreed. Chairman. Maybe we can talk more about this when we get into the capital Chairman: Thank you. Closing projects. comments, Minister Akeeagok.

Right now we are looking at it to see if it Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): can be improved. We need to use that Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can keep right now. NAV CANADA officials are going on and on, but I would like to working there. We still own the bottom thank all of my colleagues for approving part of it. It can still be utilized, but it this. Now in April we look forward to all would need to be renovated and we’re the people of Nunavut being able to aware of that. It’s going to cost money apply for contributions and start their and because it is going to be very own businesses or look for a great job. expensive, we will have to ask for They will be able to do all of that funding to be approved by the House to because you approved it, so I thank you. try to get it renovated. My staff worked really hard to plan this We are considering our options and and I am extremely grateful for doing looking at all the communities as well to such a very good job. Mr. Chairman, you see what the absolute priority is in the are a great chairman and I thank you too. communities. That is a consideration we Thank you, Mr. Chairman. have been making along capital lines. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Sergeant-at-Arms, please

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2863 escort the minister’s officials out. Mr. Charlie, your music will forever be in Rumbolt. our hearts.

Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. >>Applause Chairman. I went to the back to have tea and get rejuvenated so we can continue, (interpretation) Thank you. Let’s now go but, Mr. Chairman, you’re out of tea. back to the orders of the day, if I can find it. Report of the Committee of the >>Laughter Whole. Mr. Mikkungwak.

Therefore I would like to make a motion Item 20: Report of the Committee of to report progress. Thank you, Mr. the Whole Chairman. Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): >>Laughter Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Your committee has been considering Chairman: There is a motion on the Bill 15 and the 2019-2020 main floor and it is not debatable. All those in estimates and would like to report favour of the motion. All those opposed. progress. Also, I move that the Report of the Committee of the Whole be agreed >>Laughter to. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

The motion is carried. I will now rise to Speaker (interpretation): There is a report progress to the Speaker. motion on the floor. Is there a seconder? Mr. Akeeagok. Speaker’s Statement >>Laughter Speaker: Before I receive the Report of the Committee of the Whole, I wish to The motion is in order. All those in take this opportunity to formally and favour of the motion, please raise your publicly convey the deepest sympathies hand. Thank you. All those opposed. of this institution and all of its members The motion is carried. to the family and many friends of the late Charlie Panigoniak, who we learned Third Reading of Bills. Orders of the has just passed away. Day. Mr. Clerk.

As members will be aware, Charlie Item 22: Orders of the Day Panigoniak was invested into the Order of Nunavut at a ceremony held in this Clerk (Mr. Quirke): Thank you, Mr. Chamber on September 20, 2012. Speaker. Orders of the Day for March 7:

Charlie was recognized with many other 1. Prayer awards and honours during his 2. Ministers’ Statements distinguished career, including the Queen Elizabeth II Golden and Diamond 3. Members’ Statements Jubilee Medals. 4. Returns to Oral Questions

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5. Recognition of Visitors in the Whole Gallery 21. Third Reading of Bills 6. Oral Questions 22. Orders of the Day 7. Written Questions Thank you.

8. Returns to Written Questions Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. 9. Replies to Opening Address This House stands adjourned and in accordance with the authority provided 10. Petitions to me by Motion 17 – 5(2), we will 11. Responses to Petitions commence our meeting on Thursday, March 7, at 10:00 a.m. 12. Reports of Standing and Special

Committees on Bills and Other Sergeant-at-Arms.

Matters >>House adjourned at 21:44 13. Tabling of Documents 14. Notices of Motions 15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills 16. Motions • Motion 29 – 5(2) • Motion 30 – 5(2) 17. First Reading of Bills 18. Second Reading of Bills 19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters • Bill 13 • Bill 15 • Bill 16 • Bill 17 • Bill 18 • Bill 20 • Bill 21 20. Report of the Committee of the