LOK SABHA DEBATES
SECOND SERIES
VOLUM E 1, 1957
[loth May to 2 2 n d M a y , 1957]
FIRST SESSION, 1957.
(VoU I contains Not. j to 10)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT N»w Dclki. C ONTENTS
—------[Debates Volume I — loth May to 22nd M ay, Ifsfl
. „ C olumns No. 1 Fritlco>> «*A May, 1957. Homage to Martyr* of 1857 . t— a Nomination to Panel of Chairmen ...... a Member* Sworn ...... 3 -4 0 Daily Digest ...... 21— u Ato. » Saturday, n th May, 1957- Members S w o r n ...... a j Re: Motion* for Adjournment ...... 74 -15 Election of Speaker ...... 26— 38 Daily Digest...... 39— 40 No. 3 Monday, 13th May, 1957 - Member* Sworn ...... 41 President’s Address ...... 41— 60 President’s Assent to Bills ...... 60—61 Motions for adjournment— Relief to East Bengal Refugees ...... 61—<8 Food scarcity conditions in West Bengal ...... 68— 71 Removal o f certain statues ...... 71— 73 Food situation in the country ...... 75 Strike by Burmah-Shell Employee* ...... 75— 78 Papers laid on the Table .4 1,7 8 — 80 Petition regarding Indian Posts and Telegraphs Act and Rules framed thereunder Coal Bearing Areas (Acquisition and Development) Bill 80—4 s Introduced ...... 81— 82 Daily D i g e s t ...... 83-086 No. 4 Tuesday, 14th May, 1957 - Member Sworn ...... 87 Question of Privilege ...... 87 Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1, 3, 4 ,6 to i t , 13 to 16, 18 to 20, 22 and 23 B7— i»o Short Notice Question No. x ...... 120— 22 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions No*. 5, 17 and 2 1 ...... _ 122— 33 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1, 2, 4 to 16...... 123— 32 Modem for adjournment— Government’s decision on Report about Mahbubnagar Railway Accident . 131—36 Panel of Chairman ...... 136 Paper* laid on the T a b l e ...... *37— 4<> fjiiia g attention to matter o f urgent public importance— Rise in food prices ...... 140— 48 Election to Committees' ...... 148— 51 lrvVtaa Council o f Agricultural R e s e a r c h ...... X48 National Food and Agricultural Organisation L iaison Conraftittee 149 aj « )
C o l u m n s Indiaa Central Oilseed* Committee ...... 150 Indian Central Tobacco Committee ...... 150— 81 Railway Budget— 1957-58— presented ...... 151—>68 Business of the House ...... 168 Motion on address by the President ...... 16S— ■292 D aily Digest . 293— 98 ffo. J XTtdnttday, 151* M ay, 1957. Member* Sworn ...... 399 Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 34 to 46 . 299— 335 Written Answers to Question*— Starred Questions Nos. 6-A and 47 to 62 . 336— 46 Unstarred Question* Nos. 18 to 32 . . 346— 55 Papers laid on the Table 355 Motion on Address by the President ...... 356— 464 Presentation of General Budget, 1957-58 ...... 464— 503 Finance (No. a) Bill, 1957— Introduced ...... 505 Wealth Tax Bill, 1957— Introduced. 505— 06 Expenditure Tax Bill, 1957— Introduced ...... 306 Railway Passenger Fares Bills, 1957— Introduced 5°6 Provisional Collection of Taxes (Temporary Amendment) Bill, I9J7— Introduced 507—08 D aily D i g e s t ...... 509— 12 No. 6 Thursday, 16th May, 1957. Member Sworn ...... 513 Oral Answer* to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 63 to 82 and 92 ...... 513— 49 Short N otice Question No. 2 . 5 4 9 -5 3 Written Answers to Question*— Starred Question* N os. 83 to 86 and 89 to 108 ...... 55*— $3 Unstarred Questions Nos. 33 to 50 - 563— 7° Motion for Adjournment— ...... Price o f Sugarcane 57*— 73 Paper* laid on the Table ...... 573— 74 Statement re Dispute between Burmah Shell Oil Storage and Distributing Com ply Ltd., and Petroleum Workers’ Union. 574— 76 Motion on Address by the President 5 7 6 — 718 Daily Digest 7x9— *2 N o. 7 Friday, 17th May, 1957. Member Sworn ...... 7* 3— 767 Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 109 to 114, 1x6 to 120, 123 to.127 and 129 to 133 . 7* 3— 57 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1x5, 122, 128 and 134 to 138 ..... 758— 6* Unstarred Questions No*. 51 to 60 • 762— 67 Point of Information ...... 7®7 Papers laid on the Table ...... 768— 70 Buaiaeaa of the House ...... 77° 7* Election to Committees ...... 77 1— 74 Court of Aligarh Muslim University ...... 771— 7 * CHi.1
C o l u m n s Court -of University o f Delhi 772-73 Court o f Bsobtm H inds University . . .. 773-73 SaoUHtd (Coart) o f Visvs-Bhami 773-74 Election o f Deputy Speaker ...... 774—84 Industrial Disputes (Amendment) Bill*— I n t r o c u c e d ...... Statement re Industrial Disputes (Amendment) Ordinance . Motion on Address by the President . Coal Bearing Areas (Acquisition and Development) Bill Motion to consider : Resolution re appointment of a Second Pay Commission Death of Shri H.G. Pant ...... D aily Digest...... 855- No. 8 Monday, 20th M ay, 1957. Member sworn ...... 859 Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 138-A, 169, 139 to 144, 152, 153, 147 to 151 anuT 134 to 157- .859— 95 Short Notice Question No. 3 ...... 895— 98 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 146, 153, 158 to 166, 168, 170 to 178, 180 to 186 . . 899— 911 Unstarred Questions Nos. 61 to 98...... 9 11— 28 Papers laid on the Table ...... 928-29 Message from the President ...... 930 Statement re Finance (No. 2) Bill, 1957 ...... 93o— '33 Estimates Committee— Sixty-eighth Report ...... 933 Public Accounts Committee— Twenty-fifth Report . 934*35 Calling attention to matter of urgent public importance— Token strike by Naval Dockyard Workers, Bombay ..... 935— 37 Life Insurance Corporation (Amendment) Bill— Introduced] ...... 938— 40 Reserve Bank of India (Amendment) Bill— Introduced...... 940 State BanV. of India (Amendment) Bill— Introduced ...... 940 * Statement re Life Insurance Corporation (Amendment) Ordinance 940— 42 Coal Bearing Areas (Acquisition and Development) Bill ..... 942— 98 Clauses 2 to 28 and 1 ...... 942— 95 Motion to Pass ...... 995 Provisional Collection of Taxes (Temporary Amendment) Bill 999— 1017 Motion consider ...... <99 Clauses 1 and 2...... 1017 Mbtion to pass .... JO17 Industrial Disputes (Amendment) Bill 1017— 88 Motion to consider 10x7 Clauses 2 to 4 and l 1069— 87 Motion to Pass aa amended. IO87 Daily Digest. .... (089— 94 OT) C o l u m n s No. 9 Tuesday 2 li t M ay, <957. Oral Answers to Question*— Starred Questions Nos. 187 to 194 and 196 to *05. .... 1095— 1 1*8 Written Answers to Question*— . Starred Questions Nos. 195, 206, 208 to 210 and 212 to 229 ■ . ^ 1x29— 40 Unstarred Questions No. 91 to 133 . . 1x40— 62 Death of Shri T . Prakasam ...... 1 162— 64 Papers laid on the Table ...... 1x64 Statement re Demands for Excess Grants, 1953-54 ...... 1164 rolling attention to matter of urgent public importance— Sugarcane prices ...... X164— 67- Election to Committees ...... 1x67*68 Central Advisory Committee of the National Cadet Corps .... 1167-68 All India Institute of Medical Sciences ...... 1168 Railway Budget— General Discussion ...... 1168— 1306 Daily Digest ...... 1307— 12 N o. IO Wednesday, 22nd May, 1957. Members Sworn ...... ' -I 3I 3 Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 230 to 234, 236 to 248, 250 and 252 to 261. . 1313— 50 Short Notice Question No. 4...... 1350^— 53 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 231, 235, 247, 249, 251 and 263 to 280 . 1353— 68 Unstarred Questions Nos. 13410169...... 1368— 88 Motion for Adjournment— Harassment of Scheduled Caste converts to Buddhism. .1388-89 Papers laid on the Table ...... 1389-90 Calling attention to Matter of urgent public importance— “ Go-slow’* action of telegraph workers ...... 1390— 93 Central Sales Tax (Amendment) Bill— Introduced...... 1393— 95 Railway Budget— General Discussion ...... 1395 — 1502 Resolution re Thermo-nuclear Test Explosions ...... 1502— 78 Daily Digest...... 1579—84 Index . . . ._ ...... (1— 128) N. B. The Sign-f above a name of a Member on Questions, which were orally answered, indicates that the Question tvas actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. L OK SABHA DEBAT^S^e
87 88 L O K SA BH A ¥ t TRfr frcfrr srTcr tn m w tttt Tuesday, the 14tH May, 1957 f*rsr ^ t ;
The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the (sr ) zrflr ?T, fft **H?t tr*r srffT Clock rrr strvfr ? I M b . S p e a k e r i n the Chair] MEMBER SWORN t o *rtt ?t«it W ftw m i ifr ft Shri M. V. Krisimappa (Tumkur). (tsfi : (*?) aft ^ I QUSTION OF PRIVILEGE (*r) ^fr tT^- trsr q r Shri S. C. Samanta (Tamluk): Sir, on a point of privilege I have to r** ft *rf | 1 [tfwr qftftre ?, draw your kind attention to the «fwr ? ] fact.. . Mr. SpeaJcer: Just one word. The «ft tfh n m n irim : w jtstpt hon. Member is an old Member of ^ X ’ T this House. He knows too well how *TTr zT^T'<7T ^>t fai a question of privilege has to be srrfTTr ^ ^ 3r van*** w t w t : n g i arfMp ar^t ch? *rr^*r t Trfverr^r J qfaw H o fir*. *n«fcr ^Tr n^'T^r? % ^ t «rr, fV vnNtx j qto wtar : V fr/ft H 3TFTT ^ ] VtTtfTT : ^ qr fa 'Trfam-r V w t im vr *r*ft wit 3i w *f t * m * r n $ r i ?*r cff fa : tjw iptt 1 ( v ) W fTOf.T V 3 Shri B. S. Mnrthjr: Could we ha\e fl-nr anW jm jjtwt «pt 'rer the English rendering of the answer? 8 9 Oral Answer* 14 MAY 1987 Oral A n tv ren 90 The Prime Minister and Minister of visit took the opportunity of ascer External Aft airs (Shri Jawaharlal taining the views of the leaders of Nehru): The question was if Mi. Kashmir like Bakshi Gulam Moham Jarring said anywhere that he was med and others? not permitted to go to Kashmir— that is, not permitted by the Govern Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I have ment of India, as stated in some already said that Mr. Jarring had Pakistan papers, apparently. It is made it clear that he wants to meet completely wrong. In fact, we would the representatives of the Govern have been happy if he had gone there, ments and none else. Whether pri and we told him so. But tight from the vately he met others, I do not know. beginning of his arrival, even in Pakistan, in Karachi, he had made it Shri Supakar: May I know how clear that he would not visit any long this stalemate will be allowed to part of Kashmir. He made that clear, continue regarding Kashmir affairs? I believe, to the Pakistan Govern ment, and later when he came here Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I am afraid he also told us so; and he said: I am I can give no answer to that. only here to visit Karachi and Delhi to talk to the Governments and to Mr. Speaker: It does not arise out no one else. of the question. Several Hon. Members: rose— Shri Wodeyar: May I know whether Mr. Jarring's report is influenced by Mr. Speaker: Order, order. A the Swedish Foreign Minister’s state number of hon. Members are new to ment made in his Parliament about his the House. I would like to tell them Government’s stand on the Kashmir briefly how I propose to call hon. dispute? Members who rise in their seats for putting supplementary questions. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: How can Members will see that a number of I answer this question? I am sure names have been clubed on these that Mr. Jarring's report has come questions. These are all hon. Mem out of his own head, I take it, out bers who have tabled questions of his experience and study of the independently relating to the subject- question and is not influenced by matter. When one comprehensive other factors. question is admitted the names of other hon. Members are clubed there Shri Shree Narayan Das: May I on. I will, therefore, give opportunity know whether the Security Council first to those Members whose names has decided to discuss this report in appear bracketted along with the first the near future and if so, what is the name to ask one or two supplementary date fixed? questions. Then, I will look around and if any other Member wants to ask Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: No, Sir. questions, I will limit the number of We have no information as to when supplementary questions according to the Security Council might consider the importance of the subject-matter. this. Shri P. C. Bose. Shri Kasliwal: May I know whe ther, before this matter comes up Shri Supakmr: I am the third in before the Security Council for dis the list. cussion, there is a likelihood of this matter coming up in the Common Mr. Speaker: I have called Shri P. C. Bose who is also in the list. wealth Prime Ministers’ Conference? Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: No, Sir. So Shri P. C. Bose: May I know whe far as we are concerned, we do not ther Mr. Gunnar Jarring during his discuss such matters there. O ral Anneers 14 M AY 1987 Oral Answer* 93 Mr. ftpeuJMs; Next question. Shri- in Bihar, then I wish to submit that mati Tarkeshwari Sinha. I have the conditions in that camp are very allowed a number of questions. satisfactory. As for the minor com plaints that have been alleged by Some Hon. Members: What about the hon. Member it reference is made No. 2? to any particular complaint, I shall Mr. Speaker: It has been transfer have it looked into. red to the 20th. As regards the tents, I have no personal knowledge, but the tents Refugees from East Pakistan are of a standard size, and should be f Shri Sadh&n Gupta: of the same size as in West Bengal. I + Shri T. K. Chaudhuri: May I know •J. ^ Shrtmati Tarkeshwari Sinha: whether the attention of the Minister Shri Bibhuti Miahra: has been drawn to lengthy reports Shrlmatl Ua Palchoudhury: by the special correspondent of The Will the Minister oi Rehabilitation Statesman in the Calcutta edition of and Minority Affairs be pleased to that paper, of the 4th and 5th April, state: 1957. and also to the lengthy report by the special reporter to the Amirt (a) whether it is a fact that 9,000 Bazar Patrika—of the 16th April— out of 25,000 East Pakistan refugees which is generally a supporter of the sent to Bettiah for settlement have Congress Government—to the effect deserted their camps and gone back that: to West Bengal during the last one month; and “Except for somewhat inadequate arrangements for supply of drink (b) if so, the reasons thereof? ing water, no amenities that are The Minister of Rehabilitation and generally associated with human Minority Affairs (Shri Mehr Chand life are visible. The people live Khanoa): (a) Out of 28,075 displac in small stinky tents surrounded ed persons from East Pakistan admit by fifth and garbage. Sanitary ted in Bettiah Camp, Bihar, 10,358 arrangements are totally absent.” deserted the camp upto 15th April, and if so, why no contradiction was 1967. issued from Government side? At least, I understand that there is an (b) The desertions were mostly due establishment of the Ministry at Cal to misleading propaganda by some cutta, and they could have easily interested persons who worked up contradicted these things which came the emotions of the displaced persons out in the papers. by giving them hopes of rehabilita tion in West Bengal. Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: I visit ed that camp myself. I have also Shri Sirfban Gupta: May I know read the two articles referred to by whether it is a fact that living condi the hon. Member. Some of the report tions and amenities in the camp are ers who have been there are alleged very diplorable and whether, in parti to have stated that the conditions in cular, the refugees there are being the camp in Bihar—though I do not housed in tents 10* by 8 ' per family wish to compare them—are better and with very inadequate water sup than those in most of the camps in ply, and so on and so forth, and if so, other places. whether thit is misleading propa ganda? Shri Gajendra Prasad: May I know whether a Minister from Bengal Shri ASehr Chand Kfuuuia: If the recently visited Bettiah camp and hon. Member is referring to the liv said that the living condition there ing conditions in the Bettiah Camp was more than satisfactory? And is O ral A nsw ers 14 M A Y O ral A n n per* 94 it not a fact that some political orga of leftist parties came to see me in nisations in West Bengal are interest Calcutta. They suggested that aa ed in creating trouble and they sug Inquiry Committee consisting of the gested to these displaced persons to Government and all the leftist parties go away from Bettiah camp to might be appointed to look into the Bengal? conditions of the camp in Bettiah. I said *no\ for the obvious reason that Shri Mehr Chaad Khanna: As if a committee was to be appointed, regards the second part of the ques there would be so many others who tion, I do not wish to answer. But would also come and ask for the same as regards the first part, the answer is privileges or concessions. But I told in the affirmative. the members of the leftist parties Shri T. K. Chaudhurl: May I know then—and 1 repeat my invitation to some of the hon. friends sitting whether it is a fact that there has opposite—that if any one of them been no desertion from the rehabilita would like to visit the camp, I shall tion centres in Bettiah, which have see that all facilities are placed at been found very satisfactory and their disposal. where refugees are very happy, while desertions have taken place only from Shri H. N. Milkerjee: Could Gov those transit camps where these ernment tell us here and now how refugees were made to stay for nine many refugees from East Pakistan months with no prospect, of rehabili they sure prepared to have in perma tation there? nent rehabilitation centres in Bettiah and elsewhere, in view of the Shri Mehr Chand Khaim a: The Ministers having stated that there i« information that has been conveyed no further room in West Bengal and to the House by the hon. Member, also in view of the fact that the namely that no desertions have tj'ten refugees come away only when they place from our rehabilitation colonies are temporarily made to hang about is not wholly correct. Some deser in some transit centre? tions have lately taken place. Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: The As regards the Bettiah camp, peo position has not been fully appre ple were sent there in June 1956. No ciated, because on the eve of elections desertions of any large magnitude in West Bengal desertions did take took place from that camp till 1st place not only from Bettiah but also March, 1957. For eight to nine from rehabilitation colonies ana months, not a single desertion took centres in West Bengal itself. Their place-—I mean desertions of a sizable number is about 8,000 to 9 ,000. The nature. All the desertions that did number of persons who have deserted take place in large numbers were on the camp in Bettiah and the colonies the eve of the elections in West in West Bengal today is about 18,000. Bengal, that is, on the 2nd and 7th It is strange that no reference is made March, 1957. to deserters from the camps and Shrimati Rena Chakravartty: Ma> colonies in West Bengal, though they I know what is the reason why the have been lying on the same platforms Ministry has refused to appoint an and in the same streets. Inquiry Committee to go into this whole matter, a suggestion whcih was made by leaders of all parties, which # t o would have solved the problem to ®rm % tr*>r some extent? Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: No sug # Tf# arrsff vr w m v r gestion of that nature has been made to me. But ten days ago, some leaders tfrx rrwum, nrrfar firfr* t f l r i n m O ral Atmotrs 14 M A T 1087 O ral Answ er* 96 mind and an endeavour is made to t o t f w 3ito tft? disperse industries to different redions 3 «pnf * ^rnrr ? on the> basis of (i) the availability of raw materials, (ii) supply of water tft t o irwn : h m >w and electric power, (iii) transport %**T # £0i 'K<*rTOT |, ^ WJS facilities and (iv) proximity to con suming markets. ?pp 5^ 1 1 n f^ r r * t fa * f p t t #■ ?nn^ «rr f*r «FT Shri H. C. Mathur: May I know what special consideration is given to arefrm fwnrr ^rr*r, *ptt the under-developed areas lr> view of «rth^ »rm «flr ?fr ^ ? t h % *jm- these recommendations as alro the policy of Government? fW F »fY I Shri Manubhai Shah: To give an Industrial Development example, there are certain regions which are having a number of textile • i Shri Hariah Chandra Mat bur: mills while others have very few tex Will the Minister of Commerce and tile mills or practically none. There Industry be pleased to state: fore, the next allocatior of spindles (a) whether the Government of is so carefully made as to give more India have examined the recommen spindles to those areas where there dations made by the States Reorgani is none. sation Commission in their report Shri Heda: Are there large parts in (paras 842 to 844) that Government the country where no industry was should consider the question of for established by the Centre in the last mulating an industrial location plan five to ten years? If so, which are for the whole of India in order t<"> those parts? ensure the equitable distribution of development expenditure; and Shri Manubhai Shah: As far as the public sector industries are con (b) if so, their conclusions and the cerned actually they are sizable and action proposed to be taken in the big industries where very great tech matter? nical and economic considerations have to be looked into. Even there, The Minister of Industry (Shri constant care is taken in order to Manubhai Shah): (a) and (b). It is plan those industries, wherever pos true that the States Reorganizpt ion sible, in areas whe^o there are no Commission has mooted the idea of big industries. industrial location plan. The First and Second Plans have also 1-iid Shri A. M, Thomas: May I enquire great stress on regional development whether it is a fact that the licensing in industrial plans with a view to powers vested with the Central Gov achieving a considerable measure o* ernment have not been exercised in balance in industrial development such a manner as to facilitate regional between different regions of the coun development of the areas? May I try' and economic utilisation of also enquire whether care has been resources of each region. This was taken to ensure diversification of further reiterated in the Industrial consumer industries so as to eive Policy Resolution of the 30th April, relief to the transport system? 1966. Accordingly, while sanctioning Shri Manubhai Shah: For the first new industrial schemes under the part of the question of the hon. Mem Industries (Development and Regula ber, the answer is, ‘quite the con tion) Act, 1851, along with several trary’. Constant care is exercised for other factors such as the utility and the dispersal as welt as diversification. technical soundness of the schemes, For transport facilities also, wherever regional considerations are borne in we find that decentralisation helps in O ral Answers 14 MAY 1*57 Oral A n sw ers 98 the greater movement of goods, we Shri Manabhai Shah: As far as try to give a regional bias and dis Kerala is concerned, there are several perse the industries as much as pos industries run by the State Govern sible. ment as well as the Central Govern ment in that State. So, it will not be Shri Anthony Filial: In view of the true to say that no public sector fact that the formula now enunciated factory is run there. As I said in the by the Minister is very elastic, will previous answer, very clear and very the Government give some weight to precise information is collected in the plea made by the Madras Gov order to see that wherever possible ernment that the allocation of the the dispersal takes place in the best development resources should be on interests of the dispersal and the re the basis of population? moval of regional disparities. Shri H. C. Math or: May I know Shri Manabhai Shah: This is a what is the relationship of the States slightly different from the question with the Centre in the matter of the put on the paper. But, as far as location of these major development these things also are concerned, the industries? Planning Commission takes every Shri Manabhai Shah: Practically in thing into consideration. every case, we consult the State Gov Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: May I know ernments concerned; and the teams whether the Commission made a which are visiting, visit all the proba specific recommendation framing the ble areas which are good for that particular type of industry. industrial location plan and whether Government is contemplating to try Handloom Products the industrial location plan or may 1 *6. Shri S. V. Banuswamy: Will know whether that recommendation the Minister of Commerce and Indus has been dropped? try be pleased to state what steps are being taken to supply in suffi Shri Manubhai Shah: As far as the cient quantity the handloom products industrial location plan is concerned, which are in demand in the U.S.A.? the Planning Commission in para 49 of Chapter 29 of the First Five Year The Minister of Commerce (Shri Plan and 68 of Chapter 19 of the Kannngo): An American Expert Team Second Five Year Plan has given recently toured the important hand very deliberate views that it is not loom producing centres of India at our possible in such a big country to request in order to advise us on mea think of a master plan for the whole sures to be adopted to encourage handloom exports to America includ country. But constant efforts are ing the question of ensuring sufficient made that in the shortest possible supply. The Team’s final recommen period, the regional disparities are dations are awaited. removed. Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Is it a fact Shri V. P. Nayar: The hon. Minis that we have not been able to take ter mentioned four factors which full advantage of the sympathetic would determine the location of in market in U.S. because we have not dustries. I want to know whether geared production to supply in suffi none of these factors, if not all of cient quantities according to the them, should have made Government specifications in sufficient timet If decide upon giving one of the indus that is so, what steps are being taken tries in the public sector to the Kerala to organise production and supply? area which has, added to all these, an Shri Kanungo: A part at the ques unemployment, the magnitude of tion of the hon. Member Is correct in which is not known in any other the sense that by the very nature of State? the industry it is not able to produce <99 Oral Anatears 14 M A Y 19 57 O ral A n sw ers z o o large quantities of standardised varie Government have come to the con ties. But, for specific purposes or clusion that there is for the present specific designs, various steps are no need to pursue the proposal. The being taken by the Handloom Board State Government concerned are look and we hope that in the near future ing into the aspects of utilisation of export requirements in sizable quan this Factory. tities will be met. Shri T. B. Vittai Kao: One of the Shri B. S. Murthy: May I kqow reasons for mooting the idea of taking -whether it is under the contemplation over this factory was that the supply of the Ministry to send a team of hand of pig iron and steel to this factory loom workers to America to study the was not adequate. So, it was perhaps different patterns they would like to thought that it could be taken over by ■have? the Centre and provided with Shri We are getting the adequate supplies. May I know whe consumers down here. ther the supplies are now adequate? Shri Supakar: What is the volume Shri Manubhai Shah: That was not o f demand and what is the supply at the precise reason. At one stage, it present? was apprehended that when the pro Shri Kanungo: For export purpose ject was over, perhaps there would or the total? be no work left for the factory. But experience has shown that there is Shri Supakar: For export of hand enough -work now and the Tunga loom products to U.S.A. bhadra Project is utilising this fac Shri Kanungo: The export figures tory to the fullest. There is no short show a satisfactory increase. For supply of pig iron or steel. To the example, in 1955, the total export was extent that every factory in this 55 million and odd yards. In 1956, it country is provided for, this factory was 59 million and odd yards. is also looked after and provided for. Shri Thlmma lah; May I know the Shri T. Subramanyam: Is it a fact •other countries where there is great that the difficulty arose about the demand for these products? May I quantum of compensation to be paid also know whether any emporium had for taking over this concern? been set up in foreign countries? Shri Kannngo: Yes. We have Shri Manubhai Shah: That was not opened several sales centres—Singa also the main reason, perhaps. But, pore and Western Asia. We have got there was a difference of opinion re a trade centre in New York and an garding the compensation. But, that other in Geneva. As a matter of fact, could have been finally settled by a the bulk of the export goes to Africa talk across the table. Actually, I and countries of Europe. went to Hyderabad the other day to discuss certain matters with the Tungabhadra Shutter Manufacturing Andhra Government. But really why Factory we have not thought of pursuing the matter is because both the Andhra *7. Shri T. B. Vittai Rao: Will the and Mysore Governments think that Minister of Commerce and Industry they can fully utilise this workshop be pleased to state: at least for some time to come. (a) at what stage is the proposal to Shri TlUrumal Rao: Is it the plan take over the Shutter Manufacturing of the Central Government to own Factory at Tungabhadra Dam site; this factory as a shutter manufactur and ing concern to supply other river (b ) when is it likely to be finalised? valley projects after the needs here The Minister of Industry Mrtain tndtn to raise the prices of I know what will be our mode of pay anential commodities like ment? woollen goods, text-books etc; and Shrimati Lakshmi Menas: The mode of payment has been laid down 'currency and thus save our foreign Shri A. M. Thomas: The original ^exchange? idea was to locate one press, of a particular size, in the South. May I Mr. Speaker: That is a suggestion enquire whether the decision has been ■for action. subsequently revised and there has Shri Sadix«n Gupta: As we under been a proposal to locate two presses stand from Press reports Egypt is in the South and if so, of what six*? insisting on payment in dollars in res Shri K. C. Reddy: My information pect of Suez Canal tolls, has any Is that it was decided to start two understanding been reached with presses in the South, one at Coimba Egypt that in the case of our country tore and the other in Kerala. I do the payment will be made either in not know to what the hon. Member rupee or in any other soft currency? referred to. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I have just Shri A. M. Thomas: The two said, Sir, that I am not acquainted as presses referred were meant by me. to how this matter has been paid or Will they be started simultaneously or •whether any special understanding will they be started one after the has been reached. No question has other? •arisen. We have been carrying on in the old way. But, as, perhaps the Shri K. C. Reddy: The intention is House knows, we have given certain to start them simultaneously. One •credits in rupees to the Egyptian G ov press is meant for printing forms and ernment our dealings are by and the other press is for printing books. large in rupees. About this parti Shri Punnoose: May I know what cular matter I do not know. will be the estimated amount for the press that is going to be started in Government of India Press in Kerala Kerala? Shri K. C. Reddy: The press to be + started in Kerala is for printing forms . f Shri A. M. Thomas: and the estimate for the construction • \ Shri K. K. Warrior: of the press would be about Rs. 45 Will the Minister of Works, Hous lakhs for the buildings and about ing and Supply be pleased to state: Rs. 28 lakhs for equipment. (a) whether the work in connec Shrimati Parvathi Krishnan: May I tion with the starting of the Govern know what would be the estimate for ment o f India Press in Kerala has the press to be started in Coimbatore? -commenced; Shri K. C. Reddy: I have no in (b) when it is expected to be com formation at present with me about pleted; and that. t » ^ sm if $ Shri C. D. Pander May I kxtow » the »w f w z *fV UT^tf T^lft 1 Government has given any con sideration to a bigger and more Displaced Persons la Ranchi fundamental question. namely, that there is a steady flow of mijfrants *15. Shri S. C. SamAnta: Will the from East Bengal. There is no mom Minister ot Rehabilitation and in West Bengal and they are not Minority Affairs be pleased to state: willing to go to any other State. What has been done about this? (a) the number of East Pakistan Displaced Persons sent to Ranchi in 1930; Mr. Speaker: That does not arise out of this question. (b) the number sent to Tatisilwai Camp; Shri Bhattaeharyjra: The hon. fc) the number of them who were Minister stated that this happened in non-agriculturists; 1950. I want to know whether any record is kept in his department as (d) whether it is a fact that some to what happened to the claimants of them were to be re-settled in after they are settled? Kantatoli and ChutiP Mahallas of Ranchi; and Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: The (e) if so, with what results? implementation of the scheme is done with the agency of the State Govern The Minister of Rehabilitation and ments. The schemes are formulated by Minority Affairs (Shri Mehr Chand them; they are sent to us and the Khanna): (a) to (e) The information schemes are sanctioned. At times we is being collected and will be laid on have a follow-up organisation. But fee Table of the Sabha in due course. when about 90 lakhs of displaced persons are involved, it is very diffi Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know cult to keep track if every single whether any occupational industries individual case. for gainful employment have been provided for the displaced persons Shri T. K. Chaudhuri: Has the who were sent to Ranchi? attention of the hon. Minister been drawn to a report published in the Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: The Statesman that in regard to several facts relate to the yea r 1050, i.e. thousands of displaced persons whc 7 years ago. X have said I have to were sent to Ranchi in 1950, thsrc make enquiries from the Government are no traces found of them to show o t Bihar. where they have gone or anything like that. Will he kindly be*? this Shri S. C. Sa manta: May I know also in mind? what was the dimension of the rooms allotted to the displaced families which ■were sent to Ranchi? Shri Mehr hand Khanna: I in.me diately got in touch with the Govern Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: That is ment of Bihar; their Secretary came what I am saying. to Calcutta and I have discussed 'he whole -natter with them. I have told Mr. Speaker: He is collecting the them that if there are any defeats in Information. the schemes, though they were sanc Shri Mehr Chand Kkunu: 1 have to tioned a tang toe ago, vovbott collect information about rehabilitation schemes may be sent to us, w-hich made in 1990. will be d»i?y considered. t t l Oral Answers 14 MAY 1W7 Oral A n sw ers i i a T e l«fW w which this machinery is to be obtained at a concessional rate? + f Shri Shree Narayan Dm: • 1 8 J Sbrl Pratap Kesharl Deo: Dr. Keskar: The original equipment ] Shri SrwUhrtur Snpakar that we got was given, by Messrs. (_ Shri D. C. Sharma- Philips who had got a small television unit here for the Industrial Exhibition. Will the Minister of Information We have had talks with the UNESCO and Broadcasting- be pleased to rcier authorities after their session here and to the reply given to Unstarred Ques they are prepared to give, or arrange tion No. 363 on the 27th November, to give, us certain equipment for this 1966 and state the progress so far purpose. made in the setting up of Television station at Bombay and in "the experi Shri Biren Roy. Would the hon. mental investigation at Delhi? Minister in charge consider, in view of the importance and popular nature of The Minister of Information and Calcutta and also its cosmopolitan Broadcasting- (Dr. Keskar): The plan character, locating a station at Calcutta for the main, television unit a* also, along with Bombay, at the time Bombay is included in the Second a television station is proposed to be Five Year Plan. Some preliminary set up. work in that connection, regarding e suitable site, has also been carried Dr. Keskar: It is not possible to out. However, the question of any start television stations simultaneously specific date to take up this project at many places in India due to the is dependent upon the availability of question of cost; otherwise we will be foreign exchange. This question is ar very glad to do so. present under immediate consideration of Government. The Prime Minister and Minister of The proposal for o pilot television External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal unit for experimental and educational Nehru): I would naturally hesitate to purposes is being actively pursued. contradict my colleague, but some Some equipment for this Unit has of us are not anxious to go ahead with already been obtained and efforts are television. being made to get further necessary equipment and training. Though it is Mr. Speaker: No. 17—absent No. 18. difficult to fix a definite date, there is every hope that we will be able to get other essential equipment for this Unit soon, enabling it to function. t fa Shri Shree Narayan Das: What is Mr. Speaker: He is not the hon. the estimated expenditure of this pilot Member against whom the question project to set up a television unit in stands. The Member is absent; there Delhi? fore, I have called the next question. Dr. Keskar: We have formulated this pilot project on the strength of Consul-General’s Office, New York. some equipment that we got as a concession. I am not able to give the *18. Shri S. V. Kamaswamy: Will price of that concessional equipment, the Minister of Commerce and Indus but we will probably have to spend try be pleased to state: about Rs. S lakhs more in order to (a) whether the Consul-General’s make it function. office in New York keeps in touch Shri Shree Narayan Das: May I with private merchants who come kntrar the name of the country from there and if so how; O ral Answers 14 MAY M»7 Oral A tu u tft* 114, (b) whether it plays any part in Shri Hem Barua: May I know seeing that only quality good* are whether it is within the knowledge of exported from India to the U.8 .A.; Government that certain coloured and birds exported from India change their colour as soon as they get (c) if so, in what manner? drenched there? For instance, some red birds exported have changed The Minister of Commerce (Shri their colour as soon as they got Kannngo): (a) Yes, sir to the extent drenched in water. visiting Indian merchants keep the Consulate General informed of their visits to New York. Shri Kannngo: If particulars are- given I shall try to find out whether (b) No sir, the consulate General is it is correct. in no position to enforce quality checks at points of destination. Shri Kasliwal: May I know in how (c) Does not arise. many cases the services of the Indian. Standards Institution has befcn used in Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: There this connection? seems to be a general complaint about sub-standard goods being sent to United States. If that is s o . . . . Shri Kanungo: The Indian Standards Institution provides standards as such, Some Hon. Members: Louder please. and they are trying to do so for as many products as possible. But in the Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: There is matter of inspection and certification something wrong with the. . . . the Standards Institution are not con cerned. Mr. Speaker: In the meanwhile, hon. Members will speak louder. Indian Labour Conference Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: The general complaint seems to be about sending *19. Shri T. B. Vittai Rao: Will the sub-standard goods to United States Minister of Labour and Employment and other countries. If that is so, what be pleased to state: steps are being taken to see that only quality goods are sent? (a) whether the subjects for dis cussion at the Fifteenth Session ot Shri Kanungo: I would not subscribe Indian Labour Conference has since to the view that the bulk of the goods been finalised; sent out are sub-standard. But to ensure that the quality of exporters ( 8 ) Training Within Industry Shri Manubhai Shah: Yes, more or (T.W.I.). less. (4) A model agreement to guide Shri Subbiah Ambalam: May I employers in regard to rationalisa know whether the Government of tion. India propose to instal these plants in India, and in how many places? (5) Steps necessary to popularise the Subsidised Industrial Housing Shri Manubhai Shah: This is with Scheme among employees and co reference only to one plant for optical operatives glass and ophthalmic glass. ( 6) Wage Policy during the Second Shri Biren Roy: Will the hon. Five Year Plan. Minister be pleased to state if the setting up of the optical glass factory (7) Workers’ discipline. would only be in the public sector or (c) Does not arise. would also bo allowed in the private sector? Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: May I know when this conference is likely to b» Shri Manubhai Shah: The present held—since the last conference was question relates to a public sector held two years ago, as » gainst the idea factory. of yearly conferences? Shri V. P. Nayar: May 1 know what Shri Abid All: It will be held either is our annual requirement of optical in July or August next. and opthalmic glass, and what are the natural resources which may be Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: May I know necessary for starting the factory? whether the venue of this conference has been decided upon? Shri Manubhai Shah: The present estimates are 40 to 50 tons of optical Shri Abid Alt: Probably it will be glass and 250 tons of opthalmic glass; Delhi. and we have sufficient resources in Optical Glass Plant the country to manufacture these • quantities. *20. Shri Biahwa Nath Roy: Will the Minister of Commerce and Indus Indian Trade Centre, New York try be pleased to state the present *22. Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Will position with regard to the setting the Minister of Commerce and Indus up of any optical glass plant in India try be pleased to state: under the Second Five Year Plan? (a) what are the functions of the - The Minister of Industry (Shri Indian Trade Centre in New York Maanbhal Shah): Efforts are being made to obtain technical collaboration city; from reputed manufactureres abroad (b) what is the value of the goods for the production of optical and exhibited there; and ophthalmic glasses in this country. Recently, at the invitation of the (c) what is the expenditure involv Government of India, a team of ed on this centre? experts from the U.S.S.R. visited this country and has, after an extensive The Minister of Commerce (Shri tour, submitted a preliminary pro Kanungo): (a) The main functions of ject report which is under examina the Indian Trade Centre at New York tion. are to give visual publicity to India’s export products to stimulate consumer Shri Bbfewa Nath Roy: May I know interest and to give trade information whether India will have self-suffi to prospective American importers ciency try the end of the Second Plan and to provide trade instructions to- period, regarding optical glass? Indian exporters. 117 O ral A tw oer* 14 MAY 1957 O ral AntUMTB 118 (b ) About Rs. 1,23,000/- at a time. (b) and (c). 4724 houses have been (c) About Rs. 2 lakhs per annum. constructed up to the end of April Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: May I 1957 either directly by the Fund or know the strength of the staff main under the Subsidy and Subsidy-cum- tained and if the work turned out is loan schemes. commensurate with the expenditure Shri T. B. Vittai Rao: Government involved? had decided to construct fifty thousand Shri Kaimngo: I could not give the quarters during the Second Plan exact figure of the staff, but the cost period; but during the first year of o f the establishment is somewhere the Second Plan period not even the round Rs. 85,000 odd. As for judging land has been acquired. May I know the work, we have to wait for a fairly whether these fifty thousand quarters long time to judge the results of the will be constructed during the Plan promotional work. period at least? Shri Heda: Does this Trade Centre Shri Abid All: Already about 4000 welcome enquiries of the importers in houses have been sanctioned under the United States and give them pro this scheme and we expect 4hat it will per contracts in our country? be possible to adhere to the pro gramme. Shri Kanungo: Yes, Sir. Shri H. N. Mukerjee: We have not ed before that a lot of money lapsed Shrimati Ilia Palchoudhuri: May I on account of the construction of the know if any attempt is made to popu quarters not being proceeded with. larise our traditional Indian designs Could the Government tell us what in textiles and cloth instead of hav steps are taken to ensure that there ing our weavers and craftsmen copy will be no such lapse o f the moneys European designs? granted now? Shri Kanangc: I am afraid that Shri Abid All: No such question Indian weavers have not started copy arises with regard to this particular ing any designs from Europe. As for scheme because the houses are to be popularising Indian designs, one of built with the Coal Mines Welfare the items which this particular Centre Fund and this would not lapse. handles is the handloom goods. Sardar A. S. Salgal: May I know Coal Mine Workers whether it is a fact that in Korada coal fields, there is no arrangement *23. Shri T. B. Vittai Rao: Will the for quarters or drinking water and Minister of Labour and Employment other amenities to labourers? be pleased to state: Shri Abid Ali: If the hon. Mem (a) the total wage bill, of the ber puts a separate question, I will workers in the coal-mines in the collect the information. country since 1952 to 1956, year- Shri Mohiuddin: Is it a fact that a wise; large number of houses constructed (b) whether Government propose are lying vacant for one reason or to provide any other amenities like another and the workers have not construction of quarters; and occupied these quarters. (c) if so, the number of quarters Shri Abid Ali: Only in Luni some constructed up to the end of April, houses were not occupied because of 1957? some difficulties. Now only 200 houses remain vacant. Arrangement has been The Deputy Minister of Labour made with other departments and (flhri Afctd A ll): (a) The information it is expected that these houses «fll is not readily available. also be occupied. * * » Qrat Anmomn 14 MAY 1887 Oral A n sw ers t tH M p«l Singh: Could we have when they_ were called. Shri D. C. a break-up of the number of quarters Sharma: again absent. Then, there is built out ot the Fund and the number a Short Notice Question in the name built under the subsidy scheme? of Shri Kasliwal. Shri Abid Ali: 2,133 by the Fund directly and about 1,000 under the SHORT NOTICE QUESTION subsidy scheme. Indian Officials held by Lahore Police Shri V. P. Nayar: In answer to Part (a) of the question regarding the S. N. Q. No. 1. Shri Kasliwal: Will wage bill, the hon. Minister said that the Prime Minister be pleased to the information is not readily avail state: able. In the case of ever so many (a) whether the P.T.I. report from industries, details of wage bills have Karachi appearing in the Hindustan been given. I want to know how Times dated the 10th May, 1957 to long it will take to give us an idea the effect that two senior officials of the total wage bill, referred to in attached to the Indian Deputy High Part (a) and whether we will be Commission at Lahore were insulted, spared the necessity of putting another handcuffed and kept in police custody question on this? is correct; and Shri Abid Ali: I have the figure (b) if so, for what reasons? for 1955-56. If that would satisfy the The Prime Miinster and Minister of hon. Member, this is from 356 colli External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal eries out of 853. The workers Nehru): (a) and (b). The Press re employed are 3,21,263 in these 356 col port is in the main correct. The facts, lieries. They have paid Rs. 15,40,06,853. as ascertained by us, are as follows: Shri T. B. Vittai Rao: Under the On the night of May 7, five Indian Payment of Wages Act, these collieries nationals were arrested at 11 p.m. in are expected to submit their returns. Lahore by the local police on a base From the returns, we can calculate less charge of creating nuisance in a how much it is. What is the difficulty public place. They were abused, in getting the figure? handcuffed and manhandled, kept Shri Abid Ali: The difficulty under police custody for a period of is, they have not submitted the re about six hours and subjected to need turns. less medical examination on a baseless charge of being under the influence of Shri T. B. Vittai Rao: May I know alcohol. Of the five innocent victims, whether any collieries have been pro three were Indian Railway officials secuted for violation of the Payment undergoing training at the United of Wages Act, for not submitting Nations Training Centre at Walton: returns? the other two were diplomatic officers Shri Abid All: Notice. serving as Attaches in the Deputy Shri B. C. Bose: May I know whe High Commission for India. ther it is a fact that the Coal Mines Two other officers of the Deputy Welfare Fund has now decided to High Commission who came to know construct houses at its own cost and of the incident contacted them in the i f so, what is the bottle-neck in cons Mayo Hospital at 3 a.m. on the morn tructing more houses? ing of 8 th May. They informed the Shri AUd Ali: First, non-availabi Sub Inspector that two of the persons lity of hind and secondly, steel and arrested had diplomatic status. The cement difficulties. Sub Inspector professed ignorance about their status and identity and Mr. Speaker: The question list is gave an assurance that after consult over. I shall come back to those hon. ing his superior he would immediately Member* Who were absent at the time release them from custody. The Sub i z i Oral Answers 14 MAY 1967 Written Answers i i » Inspector however did not release Shri Joachim A lva; Is the Govern these officers till ten minutes past five ment aware whether the Dean o f the on the morning of 8th May and even Diplomatic Corps at Karachi has then the car and the personal belong made any formal representation to the ings attached from them were retained Government of Pakistan in regard to by the police. this unusual incident? Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: No: This Our High Commissioner in Karachi incident happened, as the hon. Member saw the Pakistan Foreign Minister on knows, in Lahore. the evening of May 9th and lodged a strong protest, both orally and in writ Shri M. Khuda Baiush: I read from ing, asking amongst other things, for the newspapers that a magisterial in exemplary punishment of the police quiry has also been ordered by the officers involved. The Pakistan Government of West Pakistan and Foreign Minister replied that he would we are now informed by the hon. immediately look into the matter and Prime Minister that a high level get into touch with the West Pakistan inquiry has been instituted by that Government. Our Deputy High Com Government. May X know whether missioner at Lahore also lodged a this high level committee would be strong protest orally and in writing able to go into the matter on the plea to the Governor of West Pakistan on that the matter is sub judice? 10th May afternoon. The Governor Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I take it that expressed regret at the incident and both refers to the same committee. the embarrassment it had caused and The words 1 used were the words promised a high level enquiry and used by the West Pakistan Govern serve punishment of the guilty per ment. The Governor has stated that sons if the complaint made is estab he has appointed a committee and lished. The Commonwealth Secretary whether it is high level or not so high, also brought the full details of the it is not for me to judge. incident to the notice of the Pakistan High Commission on 11th morning and Shri A. M. Thomas: May I know lodged an emphatic protest against whether the Government has got any the barbaric behaviour of the police information with regard to the motive and asked for severe punishment of for this act which appears to be a the offenders. deliberate and planned affair? Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: How can I Shri Kasllwal: May I know whether say? Motives there may be; we might any apology has been forthcoming perhaps connect with some incidents from the Government of Pakistan for or some other matter. Hon. Members this dastardly act? refer to something else, but we have no factual information about it. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I just read out a statement that the Governor of West Pakistan expressed his regret WRITTEN ANSWERS TO and he has appointed what is called QUESTIONS a high level inquiry Committee and as soon as that report is out, he will take First Five Year Flan Progress steps on it. 1ft *5 / shrl A. K- Gopalaa: Shri D. C. Sharma: Sardar Iqbal Singh: May I know whether it is a fact that some of Will the Minister of Planning be these officials were harassed because pleased to state whether the Progress they were responsible for the recovery Report on the First Five Year Plan of some abducted girl in Pakistan? has been completed? The Deputy Minister of Planning Shrf Jawaharlal N khn; No. I have (Shri 8. N. MMkra): A review of the heard no such report. First Five Year Plan which combines *#3 W ritten A nsw er* 14 MAY 1B57 Written A nsw er* also the Progress Report for 1955*56 (b) when they were established; is expected to be placed before Par liament during the present session. (c) the number of displaced per sons in each of them year-wise; Pakistani Nationals in Commer cial Establishments (d) the nature of work given so far in each year and the work at present *17. Shri D. C. Sharms: Will the given to them; Prim e MUnster be pleased to state: (e) the per capita annual income (a) whether it is a fact that many earned by them every year; Pakistani nationals are working in factories and commercial establish (f) the amount spent on relief and ments in Calcutta; and administration for each camp year- (b) if so, their number? wise; The Deputy Minister of External (g) whether any rehabilitation Affairs (Shrimati Lakshmi Menon): schemes have been formulated for (a) Yes. them; and (b) It would involve considerable (h) if so, what are they? labour to get full particulars about all these persons. But such information The Minister of Rehabilitation and as is easily available is being collect Minority Affairs (Shri Mehr Chand ed and will be placed on the table of Khanna): (a) to (h). The information the House later. is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha in due course. Sanskrit Programmes in A.I.R. Industrial Development in Kerala *21. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the State Minister of Information and Broad casting be pleased to state: 2. Shri Kumaran: Will the Minister of Planning be pleased to state whe (a) the total number of Sanskrit ther Government will lay a statement Programmes presented by All India on the Table of the House indicating Radio during 1957 so far; and the schemes for industrial develop (b) the total number of Sanskrit ment proposed to be undertaken dur recordings supplied in 1956-57 t o ing the Second Five Year Plan period foreign countries? in Kerala State under Central, State and Private auspices? The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): (a) 203 The Deputy Minister of Planning programmes, from January to March, (Shri S. N. Mlsra): A list of major 1957. industrial schemes proposed for deve (b) No recordings were supplied in lopment in the Kerala State during the 1956-57, but recitals have been ob Second Plan period is placed on the tained from various stations and some Table of the House. [See Appendix I, have been selected for being sup annexure No. 3] plied to Universities in foreign Migration from West Pakistan countries. 4. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Work-site Camps in West Bengal Minister of Rehabilitation and Mino and Tripura rity Affairs be pleased to state how 1. Shri A. C. Gnba: Will the Minis many Hindus from Sind (West Pakis ter of Rehabilitation and Minority tan) have migrated to India during Affairs be pleased to lay a statement 1957 so far? showing: The Minister of Rehabilitation and (a) the number of work-site Minority Affairs (Shri Mehr Chand Mfnps in West Bengal and Tripura Khanna): About 500 upto end of and their names; March, 1957. la s Written An*wers U MAY 1987 WHttan A n r a m iafi International Coart of Justice The Minister of Works, Bouta( . / Shri D. C. Sharma; and Supply (Shri K, C. Reddy): (a) 80. \Shri Raghunath Singh: (b) Estimated cost of these quar Will the Prime Minister be pleased ters is Rs. 6,43,500/-. Actual cons to refer to the reply given to Star truction cost will be known when the red Question No. 115 on the 27th accounts of the work are closed. March, 1857 and state whether the (c) All the quarters are occupied. Government of India have since sub No quarter remained unoccupied after mitted their preliminary objection to it was completed with all services. the Portugal's case against India to the Court of International Justice? (d) Does not arise. (e) Does not arise. th e Prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal Industrial Estate, Ludhiana Nehru): Yes, our Agent to the Inter national Court of Justice presented 8. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the our Preliminary Objection to the Minister of Commerce and Industry jurisdiction of the International Court be pleased to refer to the reply given in this case to the Registrar of the to Unstarred Question No. 661 on Court on the 15th April, 1957. the 5th December, 1956 and state: Ambar Charkha Enquiry Committee (a) the progress made so far with regard to the Industrial Estate at 6. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Ludhiana in the Punjab; and Minister of Commerce and Industry (b) the time by which the scheme be pleased to state the progress made is likely to be completed? so far in regard to the implementation of recommendations of the Ambar The Minister of Commerce and In Charkha Enquiry Committee other dustry (Shri Morarji Desai): (a) Land than Nos. 5, 12, 17, 27, 32 and 33? has been purchased at a total cost of about Rs. 4,21,000. The Minister of Commerce and In dustry (Shri Morarji Desai): A state (b) It is expected that the scheme ment is laid on the Table of the House. will be completed during the current financial year. [See Appendix 1, annexure No. 4] Hindustan Machine Tools Ltd. Government Quarters in Calcutta 9. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the 7. Shri Sadhan Gupta: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry Minister of Works, Housing and Sup be pleased to state: ply be pleased to state: (a) the nature of the proposals to (a) the riumber of Central Govern step up production in the Hindustan ment staff quarters constructed on Machine Tools, Ltd, Bangalore; and Southern Avenue in Calcutta; (b) what will be additional capi (b) the total cost of their construc tal investment? tion; The Minister of Commerce and (c) the number of such quarters Industry (Shri Morarji Desai): (a) which have not been occupied after The Hindustan Machine Tools is at completion of construction; present producing centre high (d) the maximum and minimum precision high speed lathes. The period during'" which such quarters manufacture of milling machines sizes have remained un-oceupied; and 2 and 3 (horizontal, vertical and universal types in each case) will (e) the reason ior their remaining commence shortly under an agree vacant? ment with M/s. Fritz Werner* W ritten A ntw m v 14 M AY 1987 Written Antxvert West Ctenatny. Proposals for reply given to Starred Question No. establishing other lines of manu 1163 on the 13th December, 1956, and facture such as radial drilling state the progress made with regard machines and lathes of other sizes to the proposal to produce a full- are now under consideration. length educative film for the removal (b) Capital expenditure of the order of untouchability? o f Rs. 4 crores has been incurred in The Minister of Information and establishing and equipping the Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): The machine tool factory. Additional capi production of such a film has to be tal investment consequent on the in proceeded with carefully so as to ful troduction of fresh items into the fil effectively the object in view. The production schedule will be limited proposal is being discussed with some mainly to balancing equipment and well-known producers. will depend on the items which may eventually be taken up for pro State Trading Corporation duction. (Private) Ltd. Indo-Pakistan Agreement on 12. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Moveable Property Minister of Commerce and Industry 16. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the be pleased to state: Minister of Rehabilitation and Mino rity Affairs be pleased to refer to the (a) whether the State trading reply given to Starred Question No. Corporation of India have entered 1327 on the 18th December, 1956 and into an agreement with the U.S.S.R. state the progress made in the im to supply hides, skins and tobacco; plementation of the Indo-Pakistan and Agreement on movable property (b) how the scheme is to be im during the current year so far? plemented? The Minister of Rehabilitation and Minority Affairs (Shri Mehr Chand The Minister of Commerce a»d Khanna): The second meeting of the Industry (Shri Morarji Desai): (a) Implementation Committee which Yes, Sir. For tobacco only. had been postponed at the request of Pakistan was held at Karachi on the (b) Exports are being arranged 4th and 5th February, 1957. At this through the Tobacco Export Pro meeting practically all the outstand motion Council. ing lists excepting those relating to Postal accounts were exchanged. The Slum Clearance meeting also took some decisions which should mitigate the hardship of displaced persons. Important among 13. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the the lists received are those relating to Minister of Works, Housing and Sup lockers and safe deposits. ply be pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred Quesetion No. 1442 The physical exchange of evacuee on the 21st December, 1956, and state: fire-arms between India and Pakistan ■Iso toojc place at meetings hela (a) whether the recommendations simultaneously at Lahore and made by the State Planning Ofiki-1.; Juliundur in October, 1956 and April, Conference held in Chandigarh on the 1957. As a result about 1,000 fire 11th October, 1956, regarding Pilot arms have been exchanged on pHher Projects on slum clearance in India side. hnve been considered by Government; Film en Umo-urtLabillty and (b) the main recommendations of II. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Minister of Information and Broad- the Conference and which of them have been accepted by Government? ewttnff be pleased to refer to the » 9 Written Answers 14 MAY 18*7 Written Aruncert _ 130 The Minister of Works, HcBHOf more new Employment Exchanges, as and Supply (Shri K. C. Reddy): (a) below: Yes. State Place where sanctioned (b) A statement is placed on the Orissa—Rairangpur, Joda and Table on the House, [See Appendix I, Rayagada. annexure No. 5J showing the main West Bengal—Siliguri. recommendations of the Conference relating to Pilot Projects on slum- Manipur— Imphal. clearance ■which have already been circulated by them to various State Heavy Water Production Governments who are concerned with 15. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the the execution of slum-clearance pro Prime Minister be pleased to refer to grammes. These recommendations the reply given to Unstarred Ques are generally covcred by the Slum- tion No. 496 on the 30th November, Clearance Scheme of the Govern 1956, and state: ment of India, copies of which are available m the Library of Parlia (a) whether any decision has since ment.. Considering the magnitude of been taken regarding the production the problem and the resources made of Heavy Water at Sindri; and available in the Second Kive Year (b) if so, when it is expected to be Plan, the implementation of the above Scheme will itself bo in the nature produced? of pilot projects to be carried out The Prime Minister and Minister of by tho State Governments and their External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal Local Bodies in different parts of the Nehru): (a) Not yet. country. Under the Scheme, the State (b) Does not arise. Governments are required to carry out the necessary Socio-Economic Trade with U.S.S.B. Surveys before formulating any pro jects of slum-clearance. The States 16. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the will, it is hoped, also execute the pro Minister of Commerce and Industry jects as expeditiously as possible, be pleased to state the value and the taking into account the resources tonnage of the commercial goods ex available and other connected factors. ported to and imported from U.S.S.R. The result of these projects will during 1956-57? provide adequate material for re search and study which should be of The Minister of Commerce and help in the formulation of further Industry (Shri Morarji Desai): The programmes of Slum-clearance and value of exports to and imports from the U.S.S.R. during 1956-57 (April- redevelopmei*. December) is as under:— Employment Exchanges Exports: Rs. 1094 lakhs. Imports: Rs. 1080 lakhs. 14. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Figures in tonnage are not avail Minister of Labour and Employment able. be pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. 1440 on the 21st December, 1956 and state the Persons Registered with Employment progress since made in regard to the Exchanges question of setting up remaining 101 new Employment Exchanges? 17. Shri M. Shankaraiya: Will the Minister of Labour and Employment be pleased to state: The Deputy Minister of Labour (a) the total number of (i) edu (Shri Abid Ali): Sanction has since cated and (ii) un-edueated persons been accorded to the opening of five who were registered with the various i g i Motion for Adjournment 14 M A Y 1957 Motion for Adjournment 132 employment exchanges in the coun try upto June 1956, (Statewise); and The Deputy Minister of Labour (b) the number who have been (Shri Abid A11): (a) and (b). The given employment? required information is given below:— N um ber o f registrations N um ber of placements STATE E d u c a t e d Others Total E d u c a t e d Oihfis Trial p e r s o n s * p e r s o n s * A n d h r a .... J 0. 9 , 7 4 7 3 ,0 4 ,0 6 3 4 ,1 3 ,8 1 0 2 3 , 0 4 7 3 0 , 4 9 9 5 3 . 5 4 6 A s s a m .... 1 5 .8 3 3 8 4 ,7 1 8 1 ,0 0 ,5 5 1 I.T9 2 1 1 ,6 2 8 1 2 ,8 2 0 B i h a r 8 6 ,1 7 9 3 , 6 7 ,6 8 5 4 , 5 3 ,8 6 4 7 , 5 0 4 45,571 53»°75 B o m b a y . 1. 8 3 ,4 7 ° 5 , 9 3 ,4 4 8 7 ,7 6 ,9 1 8 2 1 ,8 6 8 5 3 , 3 ” 7 5 , 1 7 9 D e l h i .... 1 ,0 6 .9 4 0 1 ,7 4 . 1 0 4 2 ,8 1 ,0 4 4 1 5 .0 7 3 1 5 ,0 3 6 3 0 ,1 0 9 H im achal Pradesh 1,9 0 3 •20 ,4 5 6 2 2 ,3 5 9 5 0 6 6 ,6 4 1 7 , 1 4 7 K e r a l a 5 2 ,2 9 8 1 , 0 0 ,8 9 7 1 . 5 3 . 1 9 *: 4 , 9 8 6 2 0 ,0 5 5 2 5 ,0 4 1 M adhya Prad csh 3 0 . 9 0 9 J , 1 2 ,5 7 0 1 -4 3 . 4 7 9 4 >1 4 9 9 ,7 8 2 1 3 ,9 3 1 M a d r a s . 1 , 3 3 ,7 0 0 3 ,4 7 , 8 6 1 4 , 8 1 .5 6 1 2 4 .8 0 2 3 6 ,0 7 2 6 0 ,8 7 4 M y s o r e .... 5 0 ,9 0 8 1 ,0 2 ,8 6 6 1 -5 3 ,7 7 4 4 ,1 2 5 10 .3 3 6 1 4 ,4 6 1 O r is s a 1 5 ,6 9 1 67,916 83,607 2 ,0 1 6 14 ,0 8 5 r o , r o i P u n j a b 1 .0 6 ,7 4 9 3 - 1 1 .8 9 5 4 , 1 8 ,6 4 4 12 .2 8 9 5 5 ,8 4 3 6 8 ,1 3 3 R a j a s t h a n 3 8 . 5 1 6 r , 1 7 ,0 2 8 1,55,544 4,5 4 6 1 0 ,7 6 4 Uttar Pradesh . 2 , 8 7 . 5 9 1 ' 8 , 1 9 ,9 5 0 1 1 ,07,<41 21,113 1 ,0 6 ,7 6 8 1 , 2 7 ,0 0 0 W est Bengal 1 . 3 6 , 9 7 9 4 , 1 1 ,9 0 8 5 ,4 8 ,8 8 7 8 ,1 3 2 3 5 ,3 7 4 4 3 .0 0 0 T o t a l I 3 , 5 7 .4 ' 3 3 9 . 3 7 ,3 6 5 5 2 ,9 4 ,7 7 8 1 . 5 5 . 3 4 X 4 , 6 1 ,7 6 5 6 , 1 7 ,0 0 0 * Matriculates and a b o v e . Norn Separate figures regarding educated persons are r.o\ asmlaHe for the >iars.pur 10 1 9 5 3 MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT particularly on a matter of this kind, this os not the ordinary procedure, G o v e r n m e n t ’ s d e c i s i o n r e . R e p o r t that is, just tabling an adjournment o n M a h b u b n a g a r R a i l w a y A c c c i d k a t motion as to what the recommend ations are. what their pros and cons Mr. Speaker: I have received notice are, whether the recommendations of an adjournment motion from Shri ought to be accepted or ought not S. L. Saxena about the decision of the be accepted, and so on. It is not by Government not to accept the findings a mere censure that this matter can of the Commission of Inquiry consist be raised. Therefore, if any hon. ing of Mr. S. L. T. Desar, of the Bom Member ...... bay High Court, which inquired into Shri S. L. Saksena (Maharajganj): the Mahbubnagar train disaster etc. If Government appoint a commission Does it contain only one recommend of enquiry like this, and they do not ation of the report or several re accept even their main recommend commendations? What are the re ations, it will be a very bad prece commendations accepted and what are dent, and no commission will here the recommendations not accepted? after be able to give judgment in So tar as such matters are concerned, dependently. This is a matter of very whenever a committee or a com urgent public importance. And if you mission is appointed to enquire into a permit, and if Government are pre particuar matter, and they submit a pared to give time for a two-and-a report, and Government accept or half hour discussion, I would be glad reject or accept partially that report, to withdraw this adjournment mo it is open to any hon. Member to ask tion. Government to lay the report on the Table of the House, and ask for a Shri H. C. Matbur (Pali): T have discussion on that. If w e could find already given notice of a motion for time, certainly, time will be allotted; a discussion of that report. 133 Motion/o* Ad**miW»«n* 14MAY1OT Motion fpr 134 BCr. Speaker: All that I can say ia this. Of course, it is an important There, a qeurtion ot principle is in matter. Otherwise, a committee volved. Am I to understand, or can would not have been appointed. Now, I take it, that you w ill be pleased to that committee has submitted a report. accept a motion for discussing this Government may accept the report aspect of the question? or may not accept the report, or may accept it partially. It is open to this Shri S. V. Saksena: If Government House to discuss it. would agree to have a two-and-a-half hour discussion, I would withdraw the If the hon. Member gives notice of motion. a motion, I shall consider if we can allot a particular time; I shall also Mr. Speaker: I have heard enough consult Government, and try. At about this. All that I can say at this present, I can only say that this is not stage is this. The Railway Minister the procedure to tackle matters relat has brought it to our notice that the ing to the acceptance or otherwise of Railway Budget is going to be pre a report. sented tomorrow...... Does the Minister want to say Some Bon. Members: No; today. anything? Mr. Speaker: I am sorry. The Rail way Budget is going to be presented The Minister of Railways (Shri today, and then, there will be dis Jagjivan Ram): I was just going to cussion of the Railway Budget. In say that a copy of the report has view of this, and in the light of what been placed in the Library of the I have already said, such reports House. The general discussion on the cannot be discussed in an adjourn Railway Budget is coming, and in the ment motion. There must be a se meantime, hon. Members may study parate motion tabled, and if time is the report and also the modifications given, it could be discussed. made by Government, and the grounds on which such modifications have The Prime Minister and Minister been considered necessary. These of External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal points can very well be raised in the Nehru): I merely wish to add to what course of the general discussion on my colleague has said. There is no the Railway Budget. doubt about the importance of that particular disaster and the importance Shri Heda (Nizamabad): In cases of the measures that we take to avoid of this nature, as far as I have been such disasters. There is no doubt that able to observe, only five copies are it is an important matter for an en placed in the Library. I feel that this quiry committee or a High Court number is very inadequate. I would judge to make recommendations on. request the Minister to have at least 12 copies placed in the Library. Speaking for myself, I regret to say 1 have not read the report. So, I Shri Jagjivan Ram: I believe about have no opinion about it personally. twenty-five copies have been already But, Government are perfectly pre placed; and some more copies will pared, that is, in theory, to have- a be -placed. discussion; in practice, it is a question of finding time; that is to say whether Shri T. K. Chaudhuri: Apart from it will be possible during this brief the Railway Administration aspect of Session to find time for this, apart the matter, there is another very im from the discussion of the Railway portant thing involved in this ques Budget, I do not know. I am in your tion. Government appoint some en hands and the hands of the com quiry committee with a High Court mittee which deals with allocation of judge as its chairman. It is almost time. a judicial enquiry. Now, that com mittee submits its report. And Gov But we shall gladly have a discus ernment reject its recommendations. sion' provided time is available It 4 35 Motion for adjournment 14 May 1957 Pantl of Chairman 136 now, later, in the next session. This So far as the time factor is con matter, as you were pleased to say, cerned, during this session time does cannot be taken on a motion for ad not seem to be available. But I w ill journment. The whole Report should allow representative 'Members to dis be studied and the matter discussed cuss this matter during the Railway then. Budget debate. Copies of the Report are available here and hon. Members Dr. Bam Snbhag Singh (Sasaram): may make their submissions. If still, Is it open to Government to express their view just on the eve of the ses there are many other matters which sion of the House on this matter, es have to be discussed on the floor of the House, I shall try to find time pecially when the hon. Minister says either in this session, if it is possible, that the House is free to discuss it in the course of the budget debate relat or during the next session. Under the circumstances, I do not feel called ing to the Railways? upon to give my consent to this Shri Jagjlvan Ram: Is the hon. motion for adjournment. Member asking what should be the procedure? As regards discussion of the matter, as I pointed out, nothing will be Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I must say stifled. Let us hear what exactly that the hon. Member’s suggestion is happened regarding these recommend rather odd, this being announced on ations and the decision of the Gov the eve or the morning of the meet ernment. If still the House is not ing of the House. It has no relation satisfied with it and wants to have a to the fact. A Ministry of Govern fuller discussion, I will certainly ment appoint a Committee on techni allow some time. cal matters. They come to their con clusions about the Report of the Com Shri Mohamad Imam (Chitaldrug): mittee. It has no relation to the fact May 1 request that copies of the Re of the meeting of the House. It is port may be circulated to all hon. open to the House to disagree with Members? Provision of five copies in the Government’s views or to very the Library will not be sufficient. them or to accept them. But Govern Mr. Speaker: As many hon. Mem ment have to deal with the Report of bers as want to have copies will kindly the Committee. A technical exami intimate to Secretary. We will try to nation of it cannot await a discussion get copies. in the House. Shri Mohamed /mam: If the Report Shri Sinhasan Singh (Gorakhpur): is just placed on the Table of the May I say one word on this? House, I am afraid we cannot all cf Mr. Speaker: No, I am sorry. There us go through it. is no end to this discussion. So far Mr. Speaker: Why should it be as the adjournment motion is con circulated to every hon. Member’ All cerned, I cannot give my consent to it. hon. Members who want to have This is, no doubt, an important copies, may write to Secretary. matter. When a Committee has been appointed by Government, it is open PANEL OF CHAIRMEN to the Government to come to any conclusion about its Report, one way Mr. Speaker: I have to inform the or the other. It is equally open to House that under rule 9(1) of the this House, if it wants, to have an Rules of Proceduhe and Conduct of opportunity to discuss the matter snd Business, I have appointed the follow bring it pointerly to the notice of the ing persons as Members of the Panel Government and to the country, that of Chairmen: Sardar Hukam Singh, Government’s decision is wrong or Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava, Shri otnerwise Incorrect. It is open to Barman, Shrimati Renu Chakravartty, hon. Members to table a motion to Shri Frank Anthony and Shri A. M. this effect Thomas: ■'*37 14 May 1657 Papers fetid on the tabl* 158 PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE (4) Supplemen- Twelfth session, tary Statement 195®, of th» .A n n u a l R e p o r t s o n t h e H i n d u s t a n No. XVII First Lok I nsecticides P r i v a t e L t d . a n d t h e Sabha. H i n d u s t a n A n t i b i o t i c s P r iv a t e L t d . The Minister of Commerce and In (5) Supplemen- Eleventh ses- dustry (Shri Morarji Desai): I beg to tary Statement sion, 1986, of lay on the Table a copy of each of the No. X IX the First Lok following Reports: — Sabha. (1) Annual Report of the Hin (6) Supplemen- Tenth Session, dustan Insecticides Private Ltd. tary Statement 1955, of the for 1955-56. [Placed in Library. No. XXII. First Lok See No. S-9/57]. Sabha. [See Appendix I, annexure No. 6]. (2) Annual Report of the Hin dustan Antibiotics Private Ltd. N otification under the K h a d i a n d for 1955-56. [ Placed in Library. Village Industries C o m m i s s i o n See No. S-10/57]. A c t N otification u n d e r E s s e n t i a l C o m The Minister of Commerce (Shri m o d i t i e s A c t Kanungo): I beg to lay on the Table, under sub-section (2) of Section 3 of Shri Morarji Desai: 1 beg to lay on the Khadi and Village Industries the Table, under sub-section ( 6) of Commission Act, 1956, a copy of the •Section 3 of the Essential Commodities Notification No. 5(8)/57-K V E dated Act, 1955, a copy of the Notification thf 23rd April, 1957. [ Placed in No. S.R.O. 904, dated the 23rd March, Library. See No. S-19/57], 1957. [Placed in Library. See No. S~ 11/57], K h a d i a n d V i l l a g e I n d u s t r i e s Com . S t a t e m e n t s s h o w i n g a c t i o n t a k e n b y m i s s i o n R u l e s G o v e r n m e n t o n v a r i o u b a s s u r a n c e s e t c . Shri Kanungo: I beg to lay on the Table, under sub-section (3) of Sec The Minister of Parliamentary tion 26 of the Khadi and Village In Aflairs (Shri Satya Narayan Sinha): dustries Commission Act, 1956, a copy I beg to lay on the Table the follow of the Khadi and Village Industries ing statements showing the action Commission Rules, 1957. [Placed in taken by the Government on various Library. See No. S-19/57], .assurances, promises and undertak ings given by Ministers during the various sessions shown against each: R e s u l t s or b y e - e l e c t i o n s The Minister of Law (Shri A. K. (i) First State Fifteenth Ses Sen): Sir, I beg to lay on the Table ment sion 1957, of a copy of the results of bye-elections the First held between the 31st July, 1955 and Lok Sabha. the 31st October, 1956. [Placed in (2) Supplemen- Fourteenth ses- Library. See No. S-20/57]. tary Statement sion, 1958, of No. IV the First Amendments to Representation o r Lok Sabha. the People (Conduct oi> X uexiain and Election Petitions) Ruxjm (3) Supplemen- Thirteenth ses- Shri A. K. Sen: Sir, I beg to lay on tary Statement sion, 1966, of the Table, und«r sub-section (1) Notification No. S.R.O. 1281, Quinquennium Average pro- Average yield dated the 23rd April, 1957. ending duction o f cereals per acre fin Million Tons; (in lb'.; (2) Notification No. S.R.O. 1435, dated the 7th May, 1957. 1951-52 435 519 [Placed in Library. See No. S-23/ 1952-53 44-6 514 57]. 1953-54 47-6 531 1954-55 496 544 C o m p a n i e s ( A p p e a l s t o t n e C e n t r a l 1955-56 52-1 557 GowtNMora) Rules 1956-57 54-8* 579* Shri B. R. Bhagat: Sir, I beg to lay •Based on provisional advance esti on the Table, under sub-section (3) mates. ot section 642 of the Companies Act, IMS, a copy of the Companies The above figures clearly establish (Appeals to the Central Government) that there has been a steady improve- 141 Calling Attention. 14 MAY 1997 to matter of urgent Public importance ^ [Shri A. P. Jain] ment in production. It we compare The position in tide different States the figures for the quinquennium end and the steps taken by the Govern ing 1951-52 and the quinquennium ment to meet the difficulties where- ending 1956-57, we find that the pro the Rabi crops have suffered are indi duction has gone up by 25:9% -while cated below: the yield per acre has gone up by BIHAR : 11%. The figures for rice, wheat and coarse grains separately, which make The Minister of Pood and Agricul up the total for cereals are given ture visited parts of the districts o f below: ------Patna, Monghyr and Bhagalpur, where the Rabi crop, in particular wheat, had been damaged by rust, rains and hail Percentage increase in qui storms. The wheat grain was shrivel nquennium ending 1956-57 led and the yield was low. Other over the quinquennium districts reported to be affected are ending 1951-52 Santhal Parganas, Pumea, Saharoa, Darbhanga, Muzaffarpur, Gaya, Pala- In total pro In yield per mau and Shahabad. The normal pro duction acre duction of wheat in the State of Bihar is of the order of 4 lakh tons, out of which 60 per cent, is reported to Rice 20-0 13-1 have been lost. Wheat 36-8 14-9 Coarse grains 29-9 12-2 The demand of the State Govern ment for wheat distribution in the affected areas has been accepted in The latest position is that the pro full. It has been agreed that for the duction of rice this year has been 28' 1 three months—-May to July 1957— million tons which is an all-time 60.000 tons of wheat will be supplied. record. In spite of recent damage to Additional 15,000 tons of wheat will wheat crop in certain parts of the be supplied for stocking so that in the country, the production of wheat is event of floods during the rainy season, expected to be about 8 - 6 million tons this wheat may be readily available as against 8 ' 3 million tons last year. for meeting the emergency. Already It is very near the record produc a number of special trains have been tion of wheat in 1954-55, namely, 8 - 8 despatched from the port towns where million tons. The production of coarse wheat is in stock, and it is expected grains this year is slightly better than that before the end of May, about last year, though it is still about 3 35.000 tons of wheat will reach Bihar. million tons less than the record pro I may here add that four trains have duction of 1953-54. Altogether the already reached the place—that is, total production of cereals this year is about 4,000 tons. expected to be 58-2 million tons which is higher than that of last year or the The position will be reviewed in year before. There is, therefore, no July and the programme of supplies justifiable cause for alarm, even during the subsequent months, will though the wheat crop has suffered in then be decided upon. If Bihar get* certain areas due to the recent rains, a good maize crop in August, the hailstorms and rust. The overall position is expected to ease. In order supply position is such that no serious to enable early sowing of maize, the difficulties need be approached. State Government have reduced the Government have a very substantial rate for tube-well water by 75 per import programme of wheat to meet cent. The Bihar Government are the legitimate requirements of differ undertaking relief works to provide ent areas where the wheat crop may employment in the scarcity affected have suffered. areas. Calling Attention 14 MAY 1957 to m attrr o f u rgen t Public 144 Importance UTTAR PRADESH: April and May, 1957, 14,000 ton* ot rice have been made available to the The demand of the U.P. Government West Bengal Government against lor the hill districts and Eastern U.P. a total demand of 15,000 tons. where the Rabi crop has suffered, has West Bengal Government have also been accepted in full IS,000 tons of sent the estimates of their require wheat per month will be made avail ments for the remaining months of able to the U.P. Government for dis the year and suitable allocation will tribution in these areas up to the end be made to them from time to lime. of September when the position will be reviewed. KERLA: RAJASTHAN: In this State the rice crop this year In Jodhpur Division, the Rabi crops has been normal but owing to high have been damaged, and the distribu density of population and crop pattern, tion of wheat is, therefore, being con large quantities of rice and paddy are tinued at an augumented rate in generally imported every year from Jodhpur. Substantial stocks of wheat Andhra and Tanjore District of are being built up in the other Central Madras. Those sources are open to •depots in Rajasthan. the State but the Government of India, have, during the four months BOMBAY: from January to April, supplied 78,000 tons of rice for distribution through In certain parts of Bombay, the 4000 and odd fair price shops. The jowar crop was damaged. It has, State Government has reported that therefore, been agreed to make avail the prices are showing an upward able adequate quantities of wheat to trend and expressed a desire to oper the Bombay Government for distribu more fair price shops. Discussions are tion in the districts. This will relieve likely to be held with the representa-' the adjoining areas of Madhya Pra tives of the State Government shortly desh from the pressure of demand and additional supplies will he given from Bombay. The full wheat require in the light of the overall availability ments of Bombay City, which is cor of stocks. doned off, will continue to be met by the Government of India. Reports of difficulties from sorr\e areas in Mysore and Assam have aUo WEST BENGAL: been received. Adequate steps are Although the aggregate production being taken to meet the situation. o f rice in West Bengal has been about In spite of the record rice crop and 2 lakh tons more this year as com the improvement in the total produc pared to last year, difficult conditions tion of cereals this year as compared continue to prevail in some districts to the last year, the prices continue to including Burdwan, Murshidabad, be generally higher this year than Nadia, Hooghly and Howrah which last year. It is natural for the con were affected by floods in October sumers, therefore, to complain of the’ P last year. There has also been damage high prices, but for a proper apprecia to rabi crops in certain districts. In tion of the situation it is very desira addition to 3,000 tons of wheat per ble to have the proper perspective. month, which was being issued for Against 100 as the price index for distribution in the districts, another 1952-53, which is now generally taken 6,000 tons of wheat will now be sup as the base year, the latest wholesale plied per month to meet the additional price index for rice is 103, for wheat requirements. 90 and for cereals taken together Like Bombay, the full wheat re 100'5. This shows that the current quirements of Calcutta, which is cor prices are not generally higher than doned off, will continue to be met by in 1952-83. 1954 and 1955 were un the Government of India. During usually low price years and a conti 145 Calling Attention 14 MAY 1957 to matter of urgent Public 146 Im p ortan ce IShri A. P. Jain] nuance of these low prices could not this year is substantially lower than be expected. the last year are solid bases for dis couraging any feeling of alarm. The While prices have been rising gene import programme of rice this year Is rally from the latter half of 1955 the higher than last year and by judicious rate of increase in 1956-57 has been use of these imports it should be pos less than in 1955-56. For example, the sible to avoid serious distress any rice prices increased by over 20 per where. cent, from November 1955 to the beginning of May 1956 while the The distribution of the stocks releas increase from November 1956 to May ed by the Central Government is nor 1957 has been only 4 per cent. Simi mally done by the State Governments larly, for wheat the increase was 2-7 through the Fair Price Shops. Their per cent, from November to May in number sometime back reached the 1955-56 while there has been a drop peak figure of about 20,000. These of 5-3 per cent, during the same shope have done fairly well, yet period in 1956-57. The same pattern there is need for greater supervision is seen in the case of the coarse grains and control over them in the interest also. In other words, the prices are of the consumers. The system obtain steadier this year than last year. This ing in different States is being is an encouraging sign. examined to achieve that end. The prices of wheat have been There are probahly several reasons showing a definite decline at present. why the prices of foodgrains are The marketable surplus of wheat generally higher than last year in normally is probably of the order of spite of better production. Apart from 3 million tons. In 1956, Government increased consumption arising from distributed I -2 million tons whicj} higher incomes, one obvious reason meant a substantial addition to the may be hoarding both by traders and marketable surplus. During 1957, producers. To discourage hoarding by already about 7:5 lakh tons of wheat the traders, the Reserve Bank of have been distributed during the first India, at the instance of the Govern four months of January to April. The ment, directed the scheduled banks import programme is such that Gov to limit advances against foodgrains. ernment would be in a position not From all accounts it seems that due only to distribute all the wneat that to better credit facilities available to is needed until the next harvest but the farmer and increase in the prices also to build a sizeable stock. of cash crops, the agriculturists are generally in a better position now than This year the Government are in a in the past to hold on to their stocks better position to counteract increases in order to get better prices later in in wheat prices. The imported wheat the lean months. This improvement will not only meet the entire demand in the position of the agriculturist? is of the port towns of Calcutta and no doubt welcome from one point of Bombay but will also be distributed view, but the natural -consequence in the neighbouring areas which, but from the consumer’s point of view is for the larger releases from the Gov that now they have to pay higher ernment stocks, would have been com prices. Government have been fully pelled to import wheat from the nor alive to the complex issues which thern and other States. This will arise out of this situation and have reduce avoidable movement as also taken steps from time to time to mini discourage rise in prices. mise the difficulties of the consumers. It is true that after the last kharif While Government will continue to- harvest the rice prices did not show watch the situation and will take fur the usual decline and are now show ther steps whenever necessary, they ing increases. The fact that the rice have come to the conclusion that the- production is an all-time record this whole question requires thorough in year and the rate of increase in prices vestigation and have decided to set up 147 CalUng Attention 14 MAY 1057 Election to Committees 148 - to matter of urgent Public Importance ft high-powered Committee to investi his statement, mentioned the name o f gate fully into the causes for rise in eight States where scarcity prevails. prices despite higher production and Out of the 14 States that exist today,, to suggest immediately and from time eight States are suffering from scar to time remedial measures which city. The figure given in respect of would prevent speculative hoarding total production is much higher. May and arrest undue rise in prices. I know how the figure is so much Shri S. V. Kamaswamy: May I higher? States including U.P., Bihar submit that this statement be circula and Assam are all suffering from ted to the Members? scarcity. So, I want to know how he- has given these figures. Shri A. P. Jain: Yes, Sir. I shall get it circulated. Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member is- aware that no supplementary question Pandit Govlnd Malaviya (Sultan- is allowed on the statement of this- pur): May I suggest that the hon. kind. If he wants, he can send in a Minister, before getting the statement chit and get enlightenment. If he circulated to the Members, might add wants enlightenment of the House, he a few more statistical figures to it, can send a chit to the Secretary and regarding the total requirements for an answer might be laid on the Table- the year in the matter of foodgrains, of the House. etc., the total expected crops, the existing stocks and the deficit to be made up etc., so that in the general ELECTION TO COMMITTEES discussion, we may be able to make such observations about the matter as I n d i a n C o u n c i l o f A g r i c u t / t u r a i , Re may be necessary? s e a r c h Shri A. P. Jain: So far as this state The Minister of Food and Agricul ment is concerned, I think it should be ture (Shri A. P. Jain): I beg to move: circulated in the form in which it has “That in pursuance of Rule 2(6) been read out. But, if any hon. of the Rules of the Indian Cour.cil Member wants any additional infor of Agricultural Research, read mation, I will only be too glad to with Rule 6(2) thereof, the mem supply it. bers of Lok Sabha do proceed to Shri Punnoose (Ambalapuzha): It elect, in such manner as the was thought necessary that a state Speaker may direct, four members ment should be made in the House in from among themselves to serve order to allay the anxiety in the as members of the Indian Council minds of the public regarding the of Agricultural Research.” food situation. Therefore, a little Mr. Speaker: The question is: clarification regarding the matter may “That in pursuance of Rule 2(6 y be helpful. I want to know one or of the Rules of the Indian Couiicil two small things about this. of Agricultural Research, re id Mr. Speaker: If any hon. Member with Rule 6(2) thereof, the mer.i- wants further clarification regarding bers of Lok Sabha do proceed to the statement that has been made, he elect, in such manner as the will kindly pass on a chit to the Speaker may direct, four members Secretary here and I shall pass it on from among themselves to serve to the Minister, or the hon. Members as members of the Indian Council can write to the hon. Minister and of Agricultural Research.” ask him to issue a supplementary The motion was adopted. statement and lay it on the Table of the House. Mr. Speaker: The dates and other instructions will find a place in the Shri Stnhaww Singh (Gorakhpur): bulletin that will be issued this even The hen. Minister, while reading out ing or tomorrow. 149 Election to Committee* 14 KAY 1W5? Election to ODBmXtwt . 156 "Na t i o n a l F o o d a s d AanrcuuftTR* In m a n C e n t r a l O x l s u m C oacicm nt O rganisation L i a i s o n C o M u i r m Shri M. V. Krlahnappa: I beg to 'Hie Deputy Minister of Food (Shri move: M. V. Krlahnappa): I beg to move: “That in pursuance of clause (a) of Section 4 of the Indian Oil “That in pursuance of Resolu seeds Committee Act, 1946 (Act 9 tion No. F. 16-72/47-Policy, dated of 1946), as amende'd from time the 8 th November, 1948 of the to time, the members of Lok "Ministry of Agriculture (now Sabha do proceed to elect, in Food and Agriculture), as amend such manner as the Speaker may ed todate, the members of Lok direct, four members from among themselves to serve as members Sabha do proceed to elect, in such manner as the Speaker may of the Indian Central Oilseeds Committee.” ■direct, four members from amonb' themselves to serve for a period Mr. Speaker: The question is: of three years as members of the “That in pursuance of clause (s) National Food and Agriculture of Section 4 of the Indian Oil Organisation Liaison Committee.” seeds Committee Act, 1946 (Act 9 of 1946), as amended from time Mr. Speaker: The question is: to time, the members of Lok Sabha do proceed to elect, in “That in pursuance of Resolu such manner as the Speaker may tion No. F. 16-72/47-Policy, dated direct, four members from among the 8 th November, 1948 of the themselves to serve as members Ministry of Agriculture (now of the Indian Central Oilseeds Food and Agriculture), as amend Committee.” ed todate, the members of Lok Sabha do proceed to elect, in such The motion was adopted. manner as the Speaker may I n d i a n C e n t r a l T o b a c c o C o m m i t t e e direct, four members from among themselves to serve for a period Shri M. V. Krlahnappa: I beg to of three years as members of the move: National Food and Agriculture “That in pursuance of clause Organisation Liaison Committee.'* (7-9) of paragraph 3 of the late Department of Education, Health The motion was adopted. and Lands Resolution No. F. 40- 26/44-A, dated the 10th April, Shri T. B. Vittal Rao (Khammam): 1945, as amended by Ministry of M ay I know how many times this Food and Agriculture Resolution committee met last year? No. F. 12-41/53-Com-II, dated the 22nd January, 1955 and Ministry Mb1. Speaker: I think it will be of Agriculture Resolutions No. always published in some report. But 6-146/56-Com. 11, dated the 26th -there is no harm; the hon. Minister October, 1956 and 22nd March, will kindly enlighten us. 1957, the members of Lok Sabha do proceed to elect, in such man Shri M. V. Krlahnappa: If I remem- ner as the Speaker may direct, "ber aright, it met two times in the two members from among them year. selves, to serve as members of the Indian Central Tobacco Commit Mr. Speaker: Hereafter, hon. Minis - tee.” ten will be ready to answer some Mr. Speaker: The question is: ■questions regarding the use to which such committees have been put as "That in pursuance of clause briefly as possible. (7-9) a t paragraph 3 of the late 151 Ralhoav Budget— 1957-58 14 M A Y 1957 Railway Budget— 1957-58 152 Department of Education, Health passenger services, and an additional and Lands Resolution No. F. 40- 60' 8 million tons in goods traffic over 26/44-A, dated the 10th April, that generated by the end of the First 1945, as amended by Ministry of Five Year Plan, making a total of Food and Agriculture Resolution 180'8 million tons was thought neces No. F. 12-41/53-Com-lI, dated the sary in keeping with the targets fixed 22nd January, 1955 and Ministry for other developmental projects and of Agriculture Resolutions No. schemes in the General Plan. H ie 6-146/56-Com. II, dated the 26th Railway Pian also provided for tfae October, 1956 and 22nd March, construction of 3,000 miles of new 1957, the members of Lok Sabha lines. Due to the limited overell do proceed to elect, m such man financial resources of Government, ner as the Speaker may direct, however, the Railways were allotted two members from among them only Rs. 1.125 crores of which Rs. 175 selves, to serve as members of the crores wort- to be found by them ov«r Indian Central Tobacco Commit the Plan period from their own re tee.” sources To conform to the reduced allotment, the scope of the Railway The motion was adopted. Plan had necessarily to be cut down and, afttr t-liminating most of the new lints except thoee essentially RAILWAY BUDGET—1957-58 required for the projected expansion Mr. Speaker: The hon. the Railway in steel and coal production, it was Minister will now present the Budget found possible to eater within the funds allotted for an increase of only The Minister of Railways (Shri 15 per cent, in passenger traffic and Jagjivan Ram): Mr. Speaker, Sir, a total of 162 million tons in good? I rise to present the statement of re traffic. The reduction in the target of ceipts and expenditure of the Railways passenger transport capacity restrict for the year 1957-58. ed the possibility of any substantial The estimates of expenditure for the relief of the over-crowding in our current financial year already present passenger irains during the period of ed by me on 19th March 1957 to the the Plan. While the prospect of the then Lok Sabha for a ‘vote on account’ contmuanco of the present state of remain practically the same, except over-crouding was undesirable, the for a few minor alterations which enforced reduction of the provision have been made in individual for extra goods transport from 180'8 demands. These alterations arc million tor.s to 162 million tons was brought out briefly in the Supplement much more serious from the point of to the Explanatory Memorandum on view of the country’s developing economy. After reserving capacity for the Budget and in detail in the expla 25 million tons on account of coal and natory notes in the Demand Book. On other raw materials required for the the earnings side, however, I have new steel plants and expansion of the certain new proposals to make for the existing ones, 6 million tons more consideration of the House, and these coal for other consumer? and 4 million affect the financial picture substanti ally. tons more for cement, a very meagre margin was left for the increase in The Honourable Members are aware the general merchandise traffic in that the Ministry of Railways had cluding increases in trade and tbe originally prepared their Second Five output of all other industries and Year Plan for an estimated outlay of agriculture. Rs. 1,480 crores. That was considered The experience of the first year of as the minimum required for the crea the Second Five Year Plan has made tion of the necessary extra rail trans it abundantly clear that the demands port capacity for goods and passenger on rail transport during the Plan traffic. An increase of 30 per cent, in period are likely to exceed even the 153 Railway Budget*-1957-58 14 MAT 1987 Railway Budgat— 1087-S8 [Shri Jagjivan RamJ original estimate of 180*8 million tons. tes it seems that the Revenue surpluses It is, therefore, manifest that the at the basic fare and freight rates may allotment o f Rs. 1,125 crores, which be somewhat higher and that the levy includes financial provision for carry of the supplementary charge of 0£ per ing only an additional 42 million tons cent, would bring in about Rs. 71 o f traffic, will be quite inadequate. To crores extra over the Plan period, it rater for a higher volume of traffic • is, however, quite clear that, on the <*ubatantial expansion of the Railway basis of the present supplementary Plan has become inescapable, and charge of 6| per cent, on goods and such an expansion must be planned parcels freight, the resources that will straightaway as the execution of the be left over after filling the initial gap line capacity and signalling works of Rs. 50 crores will not amount to essential for moving the higher quan more than a small proportion of the tum of traffic will take their own time. extra amount of over Rs. 200 crores On a rough basis it is anticipated that which has to be found if the Railways an additional amount of over Rs. 100 are to cope with the anticipated crores at the present price levels will demand of goods transport by 1960-61. be required to carry 180:3 million There is now universal recognition of tons. Apart from the demands of the the fact that transport capacity can larger quantum of traffic which the not lag behind other developments Railways must carry as the Plan deve envisaged in the Plan and that the lops, the rise in the cost of labour and very success of the Plan would depend essential materials like steel, cement on the timely creation of the addi etc., since the Plan was prepared, has tional transport capacity. It is, there already made the allotment of fore, essential that the necessary Rs. 1,125 crores insufficient for creat wherewithal to meet the extra ex ing capacity even for the increase penditure has to be found as early as of 15 per cent, in passenger transport, possible. and 42 million tons of goods traffic, and it is estimated that achieving the In March last, in presenting the physical targets originally included in Budget, I stated that the report of the Rs. 1,125 crores Plan will itself the Freight Structure Enquiry Com require an extra amount of about mittee was expected shortly and that Rs. 100 crores. when the budget was again presented in the new House, it would be possible The two items of extra expenditure to give an indication of the recommen just mentioned add up to well over dations of the Committee and the Rs. 200 crores. As my predecessor, effect of the implementation of those Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri explained recommendations. I regret to say that in February 1956 when proposing the it has not been possible for me to do present 6| per cent, supplementary so. The report in Us final and com charge on goods and parcels freight, plete form was received oniy recently. the Railway revenue resources, com The task assigned to the Committee puted on the basic level of fares and was a difficult one and I would, on be freights in force were estimated to half of the Government, r-xpress our amount during the Plan period to deep gratitude to Shri Ramaswami only about Rs. 325 crores including Mudaliar and his colleagues on the the contribution of Rs. 225 crores Committee for the thorough manner through the Depreciation Reserve in which they have dealt with this Fund, the expenditure on open line intricate subject in their report. While revenue works, interest on Railway the recommendations of 8 ie Commit fund balances and Revenue surpluses, tee envisage an appreciable rise in leaving a gap of Rs. 50 crores to be the general level of freight rates, fliled in order to make up the Railway various aspects dealt with in the re contribution o f Rs. 375 crores envi port have far reaching implications saged in the Plan. On present estima and the recommendations, particularly < 55 JUftoay B*4yet—*W7-W 14 MAT 2MR7 MaOtea* Budget—1887-88 156 those related to the augmentation a t Aithnmfo the view has been mmr freight rates, call for a detailed study. pressed both in this House and else— It is anticipated that a 7 complete where, that concessions for passenger examination of the recommendations traffic should be reduced or withdrawn And the preparatory work like the in the context of the prevailing over amendment of the Goods Tariff and crowding and the need to enhance ■the preparation of mileage tables earnings, I do not at the moment pro w hich roust precede the introduction pose to cancel any of the existing o f the new freight rates are not likely concessions. In fact, I propose extend to be completed until the end of the ing the concession of a single tickct to current calendar year. As -we are cover a blind passenger and his atten already well into the second year -of dant, which applies at present only the Plan, the augmentation of re to blind persons under the care of sources to meet the extra expenditure recognised institutions, to all blind on rolling stock and works can brook persons. A similar concession is being n o further delay; otherwise the Jtafl- extended to patients suffering from •ways may be too late in creating the tuberculosis for their journeys for capacity required to carry the addi admission to and on discharge from tional traffic load which, it is quite hospitals and sanatoria. Both these certain now, will devolve on the Rail concession will, of course, be subject ways during the Plan peri*d. to production of appropriate certi ficates to avoid misuse. It is proposed, therefore, to enhance, I am sure the House would be in »s from the 1st July 1957, the supple terested to know the progress already mentary charge on goods and paroels made in the implementation of the traffic from 6| per cent, to 12i per Railway plan of Rs. 1,125 crores, and cent., certain commodities toeing I would invite the attention of the exempt as at present. I have not made Honourable Members to the intro any changes in the passenger fares as ductory section of the White Paper on ray colleague, the Finance Minister, is the Railway Budget for 1957-58, which considering this matter. gives the details of the progress made in the year 1956-57 and that pro grammed in the current financial Consequent on the increase of the year. Put briefly, a sum of Rs. 193 supplementary charge it is estimated crores had been provided in the that the additional earnings will be Budget for 1956-57 for expenditure on about Rs. 11-3 crores for goods traffic Works, Plant and Machinery, and and Rs. 1:2 crores for parcels traffic Rolling Stock, against which the Rail per year But since the increase is ways, final estimates in the last week to take effect only from the 1st of of the year amounted to Rs. 178 crores, July, the extra earnings for this finan the shortfall being almost entirely on cial year are expected to be only the Works side. The revised estimate about Rs. 9J crores. It is hoped that of expenditure on civil engineering towards the end of the current year works in 1956-57 was nearly Rs. 11:8 H will be possible to introduce a selec crores less than the original estimate tive variation in freight for goods tra of Rs. 88 ' 16 crores, and the final ffic based on the recommendations of estimates fell short even of the revised the Freight Structure Enquiry Com estimates by nearly Rs. 6‘ 6 crores mittee and withdraw the flat supple While this last surrender of funds was mentary charge. partly because the on-account pay ment proposed to be made for the Taking the increase in parcel and purchase of the Bombay Government goods earnings into account, the total plant in the Chola Powerhouse could surplus for the current financial year not materialise due to the negotiations is now estimated at Rs. 30-83 crores, not having reached any finality, it which will be credited to the Develop has become apparent from an analysis m ent Fund. of the civil engineering expenditure 157 R ailw ay Bud»«t—1^57-58 14 MAY 1*57 RaiUoay Budget—-1 AM-*8 758: h ri Jagjivan Ram] during the last year that by far the were already in progress, those for the greater portion of the shortfall was MadhopuT-Kathua, Bfluraaet-Hasnabad due to the shortage of materials, parti and the Mangalore-Hassan lines cularly permanent way items like and for the avoiding lines in the Delhi rails, sleepers and fittings and signal area have been completed. Surveys and interlocking stores and equipment. for the Guna-Ujjain portion of tee It will be appreciated, however, that Gwalior-Ujjain and the Nizamabad- some time is required to gear up the Ramagundam, Muzaffarpur-Darbhan- construction organisation to the desir ga, Robertsganj-Garhwa Road, Ram- ed tempo and it was not possible to do pur-Haldwani, Bhaili-Bhadran and so in the very first year of the Plan. Sojitra-Dholka and Kadur-Chikma- However, all the factors contributing glur-Sakhleshpur projects are nearing to the shortfall have been carefully completion. Those for the Sambalpur- examined and are being further tackl Titilagarh, Sitamarhi-Sonbarsa, ed with a view to ensure better pro Bangalore-Salem, Trivandrum-Tinne- gress in this and the coming year to vclly-Cape Comorin, Veilore-Conjee- wards full implementation of the Plan. varam, Kotah-Chitorgarh, Udaipur- Considering the acute shortage of Ilimmatnagar, Satna-Rewa-Govind- essential materials, particularly steel garh, Nipani-Sakleshwar-Ghataprabha required for permanent-way, bridge and Bukhtiarpur-Rajgir projects and girders, cement etc., the progress the branch lines in the Karanpura and made on new constructions has been Kathara coalfields are still in progress. quite satisfactory and the projects have been executed with commend The proposal for a second road- cum-rail bridge over the Jamuna at able despatch. During the year 1956- 57, the 24 mile long Champa-Korba Delhi, with an avoiding line between Tughlakabad and Ghazdabad is under and 26 mile long Fatehpur-Churu branch lines were opened to traffic, detailed examination and the survey as also the 37 mile long Emakulam- of the railway alignment, is expected Kottayam section of the Quilon- to be completed shortly. Model experi Emakulam link, making an aggregate ments are also taking conducted by the of 87 miles of new railway lines. The Central Water and Power Research construction of eight other projects Station at Poona on the suitability of totalling 525 miles is in progress. the site proposed for the bridge. A p Recently, a link between Chandrapura proval was also given to surveys for and Muri, a distance of approximately the conversion of the Kurduwadi- 43 miles, has been sanctioned and the Miraj Narrow Gauge and the P 0011a- work is expected to get into full swing Miraj-Kolhapur Metre Gauge sections immediately after the monsoon. The to Broad Gauge. An urgent recon 7 mile link between Gandhidham and naissance survey was also conducted New Kandla which was opened for of the Jaldhaka and Torsa River goods traffic last year has now been crossings on an alternative Assam opened to all traffic. -Work is also in Link route. progress on early 700 miles of doubl The Honourable Members will ings, of which about 370 miles are observe from the details that I have on the South-Eastern Railway, 116 just given that surveys of a large miles on the Western Railway and mileage have already been completed 78 miles on the Southern Railway. and those of other lines aggregating At the close of the last financial year again to a considerable mileage are more than 1,50,000 men were working also in progress. When all these on the various projects. survey reports are received and exa Approved surveys totalled 2,800 mined, some of the lines might be miles during 1956-87, of which the eliminated on financial and other field work on nearly 2,000 miles considerations. But even in regard to is still in progress. Of the sur the rest, I see no prospect of their con veys sanctioned in 1935-99 or which struction being taken, in. hand' during* * 5 9 Railway Budge*— 1W 7-M 14 M AY 1957 Railway Budget— 1957-58 160 the Second Plan period due to short- route as soon as the working season Age not only of funds hut of materials begins. alsa. In these circumstances there can he no point in undertaking any fresh Honourable Members will have seen .surveys, thereby dissipating our man a reference in the White Paper power, which is so urgently required presented in March last to the electri -for speeding up approved Plan pro fication of certain sections ot the jects. It will not, therefore, be pru Indian Railways during the Second rient to sanction any new surveys dur Five Year Plan. There is a provision ing the year 1957-58, unless they are of Rs. 80 crores in the Plan tor the •connected with an approved develop electrification of about 800 miles of ment project or required urgently on the Indian Railways, the sections in -operational .grounds or on strategic cluded in the Plan being the Calcutta considerations. suburban area and the main line sec Of the twelve dismantled lines the tions from Burdwan to Gomoh on the restoration of which was approved by Eastern Railway, Igatpuri to Bhusaval the Central Board of Transport, eleven on the Central Railway and Tftmba- toad been restored by 1955 , and appro ram to Villupuram on the Southern val was accorded in 1956-57 to the Railway. The necessity has since be restoration of the Kohtak-Gohana come apparent of extending electrifi portion of the RohtaK-Panipat Link, cation to the sections from Gomoh to the only remaining line. Owing to Moghalsarai, Asansol to Rourkeia, and the limitation of funds in the Second Rajkharswan to Barajamda, involving Five Year plan it has not been possi an additional mileage of about 500. ble to consider the restoration of The Plan was formulated on the as more lines. sumption that the electrification would be on the direct current system adopt The House is already aware of ed on the existing electrified sections Government's anxiety to stabilise and near Bombay and Madras. In view, strengthen the railway route to Assam. however, of the successful operation of In 1947 the railway connection to electrification on the single phase Assam was cut off and the Govern alternating current system on the ment took immediate action to re- French National Railways, followed •establish it along the narrow strip by the reported decision of many other of Indian territory through the advanced countries to adopt this Northern Districts of Bengal by cons system, investigations were made of tructing three new railway links to its feasibility for main lines in India. join the old railway sections in this These investigations were consider area. The old portions Bagrakote to ably facilitated by the kind loan by Mai and eastward to Madarihat were the French National Railways of the built early in the century as branch services of their electrical engineer lines by the ex-B.D. Railway, mainly ing experts. I take this opportunity to serve tea gardens. Before embark to express the gratitude of the Gov ing upon any large scale measures to ernment of India to the Government strengthen the old lines for present of France and to the French Railway [Shri Jagjivan RamJ vision of Rs. 2'98 erorew has teeia Washington last winter between the* made for the purpose. A surrey has W oria Barrk and a mission of Railway now been completed of the amenities officers, a team of experts was tent out: available at all stations and the extent by the Wbrld Bank to study conditions to which they wilT haste’ to be supple on Indian Railways on the spot The mented to reach the minimum stand team has submitted its report to the ards of amenities prescribed tor such World Bank, and a mission including; stations. I need hardly mention that two Members of the Railway Board the full implementation of these is. proceeding to Washington immedi measures will take time, depending ately to finalise the loan negotiation*. upon the availability of materials. It is hoped that the loan will provide' substantial relief from, the foreign ex As already stated, acute shortage o f change difficulties besetting- the Rail construction materials of all descri way Plan. ptions, and more specially, steel; During, the year under review there cement, pipes and signalling equip was serious damage due to abnormal ment, prevailed during 1956-57. I floods, especially on the Northern, mentioned last March th*t steps were Northeastern, Central and Southern. being taken in conjunction with other Rairways. There were two cases of Ministries for improving the procure unfortunate accidents to trains carry ment of rails, sleepers etc. It has sub ing passengers at railway bridges due sequently been decided that the Minis to the bridge approaches being washed try of Railways should take over the away by high and unprecedented procurement of the specialised rail floods one near Ariyalur on the way items of steel requirements, and Southern Railway and the second near a mission is being sent out to Europe Mahbubnagar on the Central Railway. and other countries to expedite the Commissions of Enquiry were ap procurement of rails, sleepers etc., the pointed to investigate into the causes shortage of which is seriously hamper of these, accidents. The Commissions’ ing the implementation at the Railway reports have been received and /.very Plan. The procurement of wooden carefully studied and the conclusions sleepers has been considerably pro of the Ministry thereon are embodied moted by exploiting tbe usage of a in the Notifications which have been greater variety of new species with published for general information. and without treatment, by the relaxa tion of specifications, by increased Turning now to other aspects of supplies from the Andamans and by railway administration, I had occasion initiating measures for exploring the to mc-ntion in my reply to the Budget possibilities of the import of timber discussions in March that two or three sleepers from Burma, Australia, alternative proposals were being con Thailand, Malaya, • Indonesia and sidered for the introduction for rail Brazil. In spite of all these- efforts, way staff of the pension system of wooden sleepers can meet only about retirement benefits in place of the one-third of our total requirement of existing provident fund-cum-gratuity sleepers, and the Railways have, system. I am now in a position to say therefore, been forced to use metal that definite proposals have since been* sleepers which also cannot be procur formulated which I intend discussing ed in sufficient quantities. It is pro in the near future with the represen posed now to use concrete sleepers tatives of organised labour. also, in big yards to start with. Another matter mentioned during The House must be aware that the the March Session was the improve Government of India have approached ment of the channels of promotion of the World Bank for a loan to help members of the Class IV staff in their £jr«nce the Railway Plan, and that, own class and into the Class HI following the conversations la. Service. A committee has since beeot 163 R a itw at B u d get—1867-58 14 MAY 1997 Railway B udget— 1957-58 164 appointed to review the channel* of tiations with local bodies and State promotion of these staff, with Shri Governments are at present G. D. Tapase as Chairman, and a conducted to settle the terms an which number of senior officer* representing the piimary schools that are required the Railway and Posts and Telegraphs will be opened. Departments and the Planning Com mission and two representatives of In addition to the opening of pri labour as members. The committee is mary schools in large railway colonies expected to start work immediately. where educational facilities do not exist, it seems desirable that some The question of improved housing provision should also be made tor and other amenities for Railway staff meeting the educational needs of the has been in the forefront, both in the children of railway employees station first and in the second Five Year ed at outlying places which have no Plans, A little over 40,000 staff quar schools in the neighbourhood and ters were built during the first Five where the number of children of Year Plan. About 15,000 quarters railway staff does not justify the open were built last year, 15,000 quarters ing of schools by or with the assistance more are again programmed for the of the Railway Administrations. I current year and it is anticipated that have decided tentatively that, at the end of the second Five Year to start with, one residen Plan 64,500 new quarters will have tial school with primary as well as been added to the number at the com secondary classes should be opened in mencement of the Plan. The policy is each linguistic area to cater for tlje to provide quarters not only for essen need? o f employees posted outside tial staff, who are liable to be called their own linguistic areas or at satxons out for duty at any time of the day or where adequate educational facilities night and, therefore, required to live do not exist or cannot be provided. near the. places of their work, but My intention is that such schools also to other staff in areas where should be constructed and run on an housing is difficult due to lack of austerity basis. An investigation into private enterprise. In addition to this problem is being comm«aeed building new quarters, improvements forthwith to existing quarters have been under taken on a large scale, such as by In his speech introducing the substitution of better types of quarters Budget for 1956-57 my predeeeaaor for the old and provision of amenities Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri mentioned l>ke water-borne sanitation and elec the appointed o f an officer in the Rail trification. way Board’s Office to review the exist ing medical arrangements on Railways Though education is the responsi anti ’ o plan for future expansion. I bility of State Governments, Railway nni g!ad to say that this review has Administrations have, in the interest b< t 1 completed and the- plans for fu- of the children of staff at stations ‘.l r< < ::pans:c.” of medical facilities where educational facilities were in on Railways have been drawn up. An adequate, opened a number of schools i n d i e , of the proposed expaaeesi which are being maintained entirely ;n some directions has already been from railway revenues. The necessity giver, ^li the White Paper. for the expansion of these facilities has formed the subject of discussion I v/nulfl like to refer in particular between the National Federation of to the facilities for the treatment of Indian Railwaymen and the Railway Railwavmen suffering from T.B. In Board, and a survey of large colonies taeklii" th’s disease early diagnosis has just been completed for the pur and treatment are extremely impor pose of estimating the additional num tant. To enable incipient T.B. infec ber of primary schools that should be tions to be detected and treated in the opened to cater for the needs of the initial stages of the disease, it has children of railway employees. Nego been planned to set up 80 Chest 165 Roihi)»v Bwdjjat—1957-38 14 M AY 19*7 RaUteoy i 66 [Shri Jagjivan R*m] Clinics, and of these 33 are already Central Railway won the Invitation in operation. We are at the same time Gold Cup, for which teams of all- doing all we ' can to augment the India repute compete by invitation. facilities for the treatment of advanc In the field of athletics railwaymen ed T.B. patients in sanatoria. My have set up and improved upon all- predecessor stated in February 1956 India records and they have also re that 220 beds had been reserved for presented the country in international Railway employees in different Sana games. On my suggestion, the Rail toria. As has been mentioned in the ways organised during Railway Week White Paper, this figure has now gone this year, exhibitions of photography, up to 646 beds sanctioned, which we painting and handicrafts and also propose to increase by March 1961 to staged cultural programmes of drama, about 1350. dance and music, in which a large number of artists drawn from axnAng In the past, the medical facilities railwaymen and their families all over provided on Railways concentrated the country participated. I was greatly mainly on the curative aspects of impressed • by the wealth of talent medicine. According to modem con among railwaymen and I expect such cepts the preventive aspect of medi a cultural meet will hereafter be an cine is equally important. This has annual event. been recognised on Railways by the decision to convert existing dispen Thus it will be seen that every en saries into health units and to build deavour is being made within the new* ones. The necessity for devoting existing limitation of funds and other whole time attention at the senior resources to ameliorate the living officers’ level to health wot'k has been conditions of the railway employees recognised by the creation of a post of in all possible ways. In doing so, we District Medical Officer of Health at have to bear in mind the general the headquarters of each Railway. standard prevalent in our country and The proposal to which a reference work with this background. It must was made while presenting the Budget not be forgotten that we have under in February 1956 for the Association of taken a stupendous task in trying to surgeons and physicians of repute with raise the economic standard of millions the headquarters hospitals of Railways of people as quickly as possible. This is materialising. Arrangements are task can be successful only if all about to be completed for such sections of our people give of their specialists to be attached to the best, always bearing in mind Northern Railway Central Hospital the interests of the country recently opened in Delhi. above those of any particular gorup, section or state. The achieve The Hoiise is aware of the pre ments of the Railways during the First eminent position which the Railways Five Year Plan and the dedicated work occupied in the field of sports and which has enabled Railwaymen to athletics in the years gone by. For a record striking improvements in Rail few years during and after the war way operation leave no room for they were unable to devote much doubt that, in this critical period in time and attention to such activities, the economic evolution of new India, but within the last four years they have Railwaymen will be second to none in on the inspiration of my predecessor, their devotion to duty and thetr spirit Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri, entered the of sacrifice. I do not want to miss this field again, and I am glad to say they opportunity to express my thankful have restored their old traditions by ness to all railwaymen. I have full winning the National Champion ships confidence that they will render even in Weight-lilting and Hockey. The a better account of themselves in the championship in Hockey has been won fulfilment of the still bigger tasks after 27 years. More recently, the lying ahead of them. t& f H allw ay Budget—1957-58 14 MAY 1997 Motion on Addrets b y th e l6 3 P resident Shri Ferose Gandhi (Rai Bareli): Houses. A ll hon. Members do not Before you take up the next item, may read all the books that are sent to I ask the Minister of Railways one them. Therefore, those who are in question? When he presented the terested—of course, all are interest Budget on the last occasion, I had ed—may apply to the office, and I requested that Volume II of the Rail shall arrange to get as many copies way Board’s report should be provid as are necessary. ed to all Members, in addition to Volume I which used to be provided. Shri Ferose Gandhi: Thank you. I just went into the Lobby and found Mr. Speaker: The Minister will try that this year, after my request and to provide the Secretariat with as after his assurance that he would con many copies as are necessary. I shall sider the matter, both the Volumes have them placed in the Notice Office. are missing. To send them to every hon. Member Shri Jagjivan Ram: I shall check up, may not be necessary. but my information is that the vol umes have been placed in the Library. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE Some Hon. Members: They are not there. The Minister of Parliamentary Affairs (Shri Satya Narayan Stnha): Shri Ferose Gandhi: They should May I request the House to sit till six not only be placed in the Library but o’clock every day? they should be given to us, one copy each. Mr. Speaker: This Session is of short duration, and the work is heavy. Shri Jagjivan Ram: I shall send the Therefore, the Minister of Parliament copies to the Lok Sabha Secretariat. ary Affairs suggests that the House Shri Ferose Gandhi: We used to get may sit every day, from today on them every year. Last year, we got wards, till six o’clock. Volume I. I requested the Minister Dr. Ram Sabhag Singh (Sasaram): to provide us with Volume II. And There is no lunch-hour and there is he said he would consider the matter, no breflk. and as a result of the consideration, both the volumes have disappeared. Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members are going away for lunch. Therefore, we Shri Jagjivan Ram: What I said was shall sit till six o'clock every day, till that I would send the volumes to the office, and they will distribute it. .. the 3ist inst. Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: They should be circulated to hon. Members. MOTION ON ADDRESS BY THE The Minister o t Home Attain PRESIDENT (Pandit G. B. Pant): One copy to Shri Feroze Gandhi. Mr. Speaker: The House will now take uP the debate on the President’* Shri Jagjlvan Ram: . .and I shall Address. send one copy to Shri Feroze Gandhi. B e f o r e I c a l l u p o n Shri Thirumal Shri Ferose Gandhi: I have got it. Rao t o move his Motion o f Thanks to the President, I have to announce that Pandit Thakur D u Bhargava: They under rule 21, I have f i x e d that the should be circulated to all hon. Mem time-limit for speeches shall o r d i n a r i bers. l y be 15 minutes, with the exception Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members will of leaders of various Groups, for notice that there are as many as 750 w h o m SO minutes will be allowed, i f Members of Parliament in both the necessary- l $9 M otion on 14 M A Y IM 7 Address by tht President. 179 [Mr. Speaker] The Prime Minister, who, I think, by one, and they may signify whether will reply to the debate, on behalf of they want to move their amendments. Government, may intervene or reply Then, the amendments will be treated at a later stage, and take the neces as moved. Then, the general discus sary time. sion will follow. Shri Thlramal Rao (Kakinada): Sir, Shri Thirumal Rao may now I beg to move: continue. "That the Members of Lok Shri Thirumal Rae: The measure of Sabha assembled in this Session confidence reposed is also a measure are deeply grateful to the Presi of the high esteem in which all our dent for the Address which he has leaders are held in the country and been pleased to deliver to both the also outside. Houses of Parliament assembled This sovereign Parliament Is enter together on the 13th May, 1957.“. ing into the second phase of its exist I would like to express the sense of ence as the second parliament under satisfaction of this House generally, the Indian Republic. And I think it and of myself personally, on the re- is time that we should have a brief election of the President and the Vice- retrospect of the achievements of this President for a second term. Both of Parliament during the first five years them have shed lustre on their high of its existence. offices, one as a great lcarmayogi and a fellow-builder of independent India We have passed through a decade along with Mahatma Gandhi, and the of our existence as an independent other as a great philosopher who nation. After the general elections in interpreted the great truths of our 1952, wc- have implemented the pro culture and philosophy in a language visions of our Constitution based on adult franchise. This Parliament was intelligible to the countries of the elected on that basis with an extensive West. The country has voted in an voting strength of 17 crores of people, overwhelming manner its confidence which number swelled to 19 crores in in the present leadership as represent this election. As a result of that ed by the President, the Vice-Presi election, the leadership of the country dent, and the Prime Minister of India has been clothed with constitutional In a parliamentary set-up, a general authority. What has been achieved election is considered to be the elec during the first five years of the tion of the Prime Minister of the existence of this Parliament is some country, and the country has in no thing which is remarkable in the uncertain a manner declared once history of responsible representative again its implicit faith and confidence government in the world. in the leadership of the Prime Minis ter by voting him back to power for But we need not be complacent; we another lease of five years. need not be proud of what we have achieved. We must be conscious of Sbri A. K. Gopalan (Kasergod): what is possible under conditions that May I make one submission? Some have obtained in this country under amendments to the motion are also wise and old leadership. The amount there. They have to be formally of legislation that has been placed on moved, after the motion is moved. the statute-book is prodigious. Matters But the hon. Member is speaking on which have been hanging fire for a the motion now. long time, as for instance, the legisla Mr. Speaker: The practice i1: that tion with regard to the social customs the Mover of a motion moves his and relations in Indian society, the motion and makes his speech; then, it property of women, marital relations is seconded. Thereafter, whoever etc.—which have beets hanging fire- wants to move his amendment may do from nearly 1946—have been finally so. I shall call the hon. Members one decided by the First Parliament Motion on 14 VUST lSCr. Address by the JPmittent 172 - India In a manner that has been planning up to 1871-76. By 1971-76, acceptable to the vast majority at the their investments would come to a people. total. of Ra. 27,270 crores, when the • per capita income which at the end Again, as for the question of un- of the period 1951-56 has been Rs. 281 touchability, the abolition of untouch - is expected to rise to Rs. 546. In order • ability has been placed on a statutory- to achieve this, we have to go on making it an offence to observe expanding our. investments at the rate untouchability. And that has b a n of RS. 6,200 crores under the Second achieved as the most important item Five Year Plan, RS. 9,900 crores under in our social programme. the Third Five Year Plan, Rs. 14,800 ■ A number of other pieces of legisla crorea in the Fourth Five Year Plan, tion hare also been passed during the and Rs. 27,700 crores by the time we first five years. The ideal of a society reach the -end of the Fifth Five Year based on the socialistic pattern has Plan. This is a very bold thing indeed, been accepted. To implement that which only men of great imagination ideal legislatively, the First Parlia and foresight and experience can ment had taken steps to nationalise think of evolving and then working the Imperial Bank, to nationalise the out on a practical basis through the insurance business in this country, and agency of Government and with the also to place on a sound footing the co-operation of the public. economy of the country with a view to eliminate inordinate inequalities That is what is being achieved. But between the rich and the poor. we are now passing through a very difficult period. As has been said, the 4 We are now entering on the second assumption of this Plan is mainly bas phase. I do not want to give a ed on agricultural production in this detailed picture of the First Five Year country. Even when we see the econo Plan and its working. That Plan has mic development of the United States shown us the way by voting an of America, all their industrial pros expenditure of Rs. 3,101 crores, most perity is based on a continuous and of which was completely spent and continued sustenance of purchasing absorbed. The country and Govern power derived from agricultural pro ment have mobilised the expert duction. The economy of the United opinion of a number of economists States has been largely—70 per cent and leaders of public opinion, and of it is self-contained and they have experienced administrators in the got a very small margin of exports— shape of the Planning Commission dependent on their agricultural pro and all their advisers, and have evolv duction. That is the basis on which ed a Plan. The first seven years have we have also to depend in this coun been one continuous activity intellec try, because the basis of our very tually, to evolve a Plan intended for economic system is agriculture. about thirty year3 to come. From the figures, we have seen that the planned national income at the In the First Plan, we made a provi sion for agriculture and community end of the period 1931-56 is shown to development of Rs. 357 crores and be Rs. 10,800 crores. For a country irrigation and power, Rs. 6C1 crores Steeped in poverty, whose optimum In the Second Plan, wc have made a level of subsistence is the lowc.it in provision of Rs. 568 crores for agricul the world, so to say, it is neefssary ture and Rs. 913 crores for irrigation that it has to be lifted up en masse to and power. In the Second Plan, the a level of average contentment and emphasis has been shifted to industrial stability, economically. More than development. The income derived that, we have to evolve a long-range from agricultural activities is always Plan. less than that derived from industrial The Planning Commission have activity. Therefore, the emphasis has decided that they will''carry on the been rightly shifted from agricultural -173 /Motion o n 14 M A Y 1957 Addrets by the President 174 {Shri Thirumal Rao] development ,to industrial develop a day does not want to walk but ment. We have seen in the Second wants to get into a bus to go a distance Plan a provision of Rs. 890 crores for of two miles. So also you find that industry and mining. A concomitant fine cloth is used by the lower and ancillary activity which develops classes. It is we, the upper classes, industry end on 'which industry who have set the example. Whenever depends is transport and communica the women members dress themselves tions. About Rs. 1;385 crores are in fine cloths, the lower class people, provided for this purpose. the maid-servants, also dress them selves in fine cloths. As I have already The magnitude at this task is only said, the cinemas are working at full being felt just now in the second year speed, and lower class people, men of the Plan. We are up against so and women, dressed in fine cloths go many shortages. Yesterday and today there; they travel by bus; they go on we have been having a discussion pilgrimages to various places with about the food situation in the country. the surplus money that they have. I No doubt, prices are rising. I come am not saying for a moment that they from a surplus area situated between are living in a condition where milk two river basins, the Godavari and and honey flow. But when~ a little the Krishna, where we see an artifi money comes into their hands, they cial rise in food prices. What is the imitate the upper classes and want to reason? We have released large spend a little more on luxuries. quantities of money by way of deve lopment programmes, river valley We also see from the statistics fur programmes and so many other con nished by the Food Minister that larg^ structional activities, and that money numbers of people depend on coarse is in circulation. We have developed grains. But people eating coarse a large industrial potential about the grains hitherto are trying to imitate cities by our starting huge works. All the upper classes and going for the this increases the numbers in indus finer qualities of rice and wheat. This trial labour and they are receiving is the position. a little more money. There is bound to be inflation in prices. How to curb With regard to the smaller agricul it? turists, my hon. friend, Shri A. P. Jain, has told us just now that they Here, I want to allay the panic that are able to hold on and are not com is being created that there is food pelled to sell the little produce that scarcity and deaths by starvation and comes from the field. Let me give lack of food. That is not the case. an example. Take a 10-acre plot in Poverty is always there, and the main my district, which is a deltaic district. problem of the Second Five Year On the average, a man produces SO Plan is to tackle this question of maunds an acre. He produces 300 poverty as far as possible. maunds. He will also have one or two acres under sugarcane which But with regard to agricultural gives him Rs. 500 an acre. On the conditions in my part of the country. sugarcane, he makes a profit of Rs. I may say this. Take the low income 1,000. He takes a loan from a bantr groups. For instance, take a family on the security of the paddy and of four people. These four people go waits tor a rise in prices. I have to work and earn Rs. 1-8 eadh a day. calculated that on this score Rs. 33 If a family earns Rs. 250 per month, crores are now financed by banks as they spend Rs. 190 an their food. Now paddy loans. At the rate of Rs. BOO you aee the cinemas working art fu ll a ton, about 8 lakhs tons of paddy or« speed; you see the transport system locked up in this manner. Thie create* working at full speed. People ‘Work an artificial scarcity. The man who ing in the rural side are taking to keeps this under lock and key tell* transport. A man who earns 1U. 1-8 you openly that he is not gatag *75 M otion on 14 iMAY 1967 A dd ress by the President 176- relaase it, unless the price of paddy recently read that the north and goes up to Rs. 30 a. bag or Rs. 15 a south of India are to be connected by maund. That is actually what is canals. There is a canal system now happening in a particular part of the which can easily be connected on the country. If my speech is published east coast up to Calcutta—the famous in the vernacular Press in my consti Buckingham canal which is 400 mile* tuency, all those small landlords w’ll long. So also the road system must rise against me and say: “This man come to the aid of the general com who has taken our votes is fighting munications system in the country, against high prices. It is today that because the railways cannot fully we are receiving a little higher price. cater for the needs of the rising tempo Where were these legislators when of industrial development in th« the price of rice had fallen to Rs. 3 country. a maund and when we suffered the There is another important aspect vicissitudes and vagaries 01 climate? of development to which I would lik« Today we are having a little monev. to refer—the issue of reorganisation What are we to do?” of States which was faced by the last Therefore, this is a problem which Parliament. It was to the credit of has to be dealt with care by Govern the late Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel to ment. You cannot displease one have united India under one Constitu section of the population They are tion and one flag, eliminating ell the just now tasting a little rise in prices. ruling princes and making India a On the other hand, you cannot also nation. Now, it has been given to th« displease the large section of landless Home Minister, Shri Pant to face all population who depend for their very the great difficulties that are inherent .existence on daily wage and art, in the reorganisation of the States. therefore, concerned with the cost of We are not completely out of the foodgrains. difficulties of the aftermath of th* legislation that has been passed by I do not want to deal with high the last Parliament. But, for my part, finance and other problems concern I should like to express our sense of ing the huge deficit, for which the gratitude and gratefulness that the Prime Minister has appointed an Andhra area has been united into one expert in our Finance Ministry. More and Andhra Pradesh has been formed. over, other Members of the House are The justification for the Andhra State competent to advise him on these has been found in the results that matters, as to how to bridge the gap have been achieved there. I am not with regard to external finance or laying any emphasis on the linguistic investments and also how to finance aspect of it because .ve do not want the Second Five Year Pian inside the to use an argument which has proved country. useful in the past. Within two years of the formation of the Andhra State With regard to the Second Five we have been able to organise the Year Plan, I want to lay emphasis on Nagarjuna Sagar Proiect and it is the development of transport. We being implemented. The intensity have got for a coastline of 3,400 miles with which a particular State which only four or five well-developed ports, has got a sort of emotional integration like Calcutta, Visakhapatnam, Madras, and ideology binding it togolher will Bombay, Cochin and now Kandla. work can be experienced from this. These are hardly enough. There is a With regard to the rfreat difficulties large number of minor ports which that Punjab has presented, it is an deserve to be developed into major achievement of the last Government ports. Also, the four-fold system of and Parliament that they were able road transport, canal transport, rail to organise the State of Punjab- into transport and sea transport, has to a unified province, though stili certain be co-ordinated and a concerted plan murmurs and dissentient voices are- developed in the country. We have heard. *77 .u:m n r 1WS7 Addres* by the President 178 [Shri Thirumal Rao] With regard to Bombay and Gujarat ter has announced to the world that it la a difficult problem. It is not a it is disastrous to humanity if these solution that can be imposed by any tests are continued. World public body from outside. The <. Gujaratis opinion has gradually veered round. want a Maha Gujarat and the Maha In England, the Labour Party Is rashtrians want a Brihan Maharash against it. The former Prime Minister tra; but both of them want Bombay. of England, Mr. Attlee has pronounced That is the bone, of contention. Both against it and public opinion in many of them claim to have succcodud in countries, and Japan particularly, is the elections on this issue. It is for against it. We are sure that with the both of them to .unite and .decide. But, leadership which our Prime Minister as far as, I think, the Central Govern commands, with the prestige he com ment and this ‘Parliament is concern mands in the world today, if we ed, the verdict of Parliament is there persist in this that nuclear tests should and it cannot' be undone except by be stopped and nuclear weapons Parliament itself. should be banned permanently from modem warfare, then there is a Sir, I do not want to take much of chance of saving humanity irom the your time. But I wanted to refer disastrous effects of these things. briefly to one or two points referred to by the President in his speech, with I do not want to take much time of regard to our foreign policy. With the House because this is o formal regard to Kashmir, wc need not go motion of thanks where more contro too far into the matter. Pakistan versial aspects will be dealt with by a leadership has' been trying to use other Members of the House. I am* Kashmir as a sort of peg to hang on thankful for the opportunity you its Government from time to time. It have given me of moving a motion of thanks. In this connection, I should is the last resort of the Prime Minister of Pakistan, I think, to prolong his like to place on record also our grati life for a short- while by diverting the tude to Providence that our Prime attention of the whole Pakistani Minister was saved from a very serious accident in January last. If people to India. They are not able to draw up a Constitution; th^y are not we understand things properly or in able to achieve stable government and a proper setting, the difference between life and death, between they go on slinging mud at the neighbouring country, India. The being and not being is so thin that we recent report of Jarring is self-evident. cannot realise it until the thing over He has come and seen things for him takes us. It is providential that the self. He has seen that the set-up that leadership of this country is kept in safe hands for another period of has been created by the power blocs of the West and the East is responsi political activity. ble for all these troubles there. Now, Mr. Speaker: Shri Mathura Prasad since Pakistan has definitely allied Misra will now second the motion. itself to the purse strings of the Before the hon. Member starts I United States and the western powers, would like to make an announcement. it has created another fresh problem I find there are as many for this country because of the NATO as 50 or 60 amendment.'. I and Baghdad Pacts whereby military I would therefore request hon. Mem material is being pumped into Pakis bers who wish to move their amend tan as a set-off against India’s ments to please hand in at the Table stability. within 15 minutes a slip intimating With regard to the stopping of the the number of the amendments wliich nuclear tests, our country has been they would like to move. I would one of the first to raise its moral look into all of them and such of them protest against the continuance of as are in order would bo treated as these nuclear tests. 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I • 1957." As has already been announced by «ft«r»*o f*m...... the Speaker, Members may kindly wt I fV *JtT VVttft TTFT'T Jfft give intimation to the Table of the aft ' * t - Shri S. A. Danger Sir, the amend ments are already there before you But neither our national interests and, therefore, 1 will offer my remarks nor our history and traditions, nor on the President’s Address and the our convictions chart any other course elaborate commentary as it has been for us. Happily for us, this is the given to us by the Congress Party. common aim and the firm desire of On reading the Address, what fell our people. strikes me first is, it seems there is an attempt to hide from the country the sfnr, srar far ^ trip ^rq1 j j * t *t real state of affairs as they exist under srtw sft t% f sflr s p ? r % the present Government, and I will substantiate that statement from offi ftr^f r^r T 7* % T T 3TT 7^ £ cial records and not from the news «ftr for *rf ?rf ^fa^ns^r papers of the Communist Party. «rft £, «it?: i t w m On the eve of the election we were told many things about the achieve fqf*: ^rnr? f%7 arr f sftr ^ r ments of the Five Year Plan. One of 3tt t? t ^ f% ?*t TTf^nrm^xt the achievements was tliat food pro j n r r a ^ % m rc *t *pff TShri S. A. Dangel What I want to submit is that even sident'^ Address is parochial enough. now there is an attempt to hide the 1 do say that deliberately. The Pre real picture. The Presidential sident is the President of the Repub Address says: lic. When he mentioned these cala mities only yesterday, it was Bihar “While food production has and certain parts of U.P. more espe increased, and the increases have cially. But, when we com* to the been maintained,” statement of the Food Minister bow many States have been listed? He So, the country has to learn that food mentions not only Bihar and OJ., production has increased and the thanks to the Food Minister, he men increases have been maintained. Then tions Rajasthan, Bombay, West Bengal the Address goes on to say: and some other parts also. “....except for the results, of natural calamities, more especially The Deputy Minister of Food (Shri in certain parts of Bihar and the M. V. Krishnappa): That was not ■astern districts of Uttar Pradesh, about calamities but supply of food- we have a considerable way to go grains. before our country becomes fully self-sufficient in food.” An Hon. Member: He mentioned eight States. So, except for natural calamities in certain parts of Bihar and Uttar Pra Shri S. A. Dange: Let us not count desh, the food production has increas them. What is more important is ...... ed, and people who have the illusion that they are really starving should not carry that illusion and 3hould not Shri Shree Narayan Das (Darbhan- die, because we are assured that food ga): May I just point out, Sir, that production has increased. Then, in when the hon. Member is speaking the same paragraph it is said: he should remember that the speech delivered by the President was not “Intensive efforts have increas prepared personally by the President ed food production and improved but by the Government. Therefore, crop prospects. “Except in the we should...... (Interruption). case of some of the coarse grains adversely affected. . .. ” Mr. Chairman: Order, order. Let us everything is all right. So, naturally, hear the hon. Member. those people who eat coarse grains, Ihoee coarse people, may die coarsely. Shri Shree Narayan Das: There But, as my friend Shri Thirumal Rao fore, what I want to say is this. The stated, many people are now eating hon. Member referred to the fact that rice and wheat and are very pros Bihar has been mentioned in the Pre perous going to cinemas, riding on sident’s Address, as if it was parochia buses and all that; so they need not lism on the part of the President. feel bad about this failure in coarse grains, because rice and wheat are Mr. Chairman: The hon. Member available in ample quantities. This is had made it clear that he did not the picture I get from the President’s mean anything personally to the Pre Address. The Address says that food sident. These are the views of the production is increasing, things are Government that are expressed by going on nicely and except for a few the President in the name ef the Pre calamities everything is O.K. sident. Therefore, anything that is criticised here is the policy of the Even in pointing out the calamities Government or the views o f the Gov I am very sorry to say that the Pre ernment. The hon. Member who is M otion on 14 M A Y 1957 Address by the President 193 ■peaking knows it and I suppose all the public and not to allow the Oppo g * bon. Members know it. Therefore, sition parties in the country to chal the hon. Member has the right to cri lenge the Government’s methods of ticise the views. governing the country and looking after its welfare. Shri S. A. Dange: In fact, I would have thought that it was human for For example, in the month of March the President to remember Bihar. the picture is presented in what wayf But it is certainly not correct on the In the month of May, the picture is part of the Government of India, of presented in what way? According the whole country, to mention only to the white paper on the Budget Bihar and Uttar Pradesh and to show presented in the month of March, that the position is very nice. I am agricultural production declined and glad to note that the Government of foodgrains had already declined in the India as a whole has become parochi previous year. So, Government was al and mentions only Bihar and aware that food production was dec Uttar Pradesh. lining even on last year's figures. It had declined from 68 million tons to Mr. Chairman: I thought that the 66 million tons. Government was hon. Member did not mean the Presi aware, that something was happening dent personally. amiss and something was going wrong. In 1953-54, the production was Shri S. A. Dange: No. I am not 68 million tons, and in 1954-55, it was referring to the President; and having 66 5 million tons. In 1955-56, it was £aid this, I proceed to ...... 63-4 million tons. This is the figure taken from the White Paper given by Shri M. V. Krishnappa: In the state the Government only in the month of ment of the Food Minister, the Minis March. So, production is declining. ter has specifically mentioned “des This is the picture that the hon. Min truction of crops in Bihar and Uttar ister of Finance was pleased to give. Pradesh”. In Bombay and Kerala, if they did not mention destruction of Now, when this decline was being crops, it has been mentioned that sup conceded, was it not natural for the plies of foodgrains have been sent Government to take steps to see that there. That is the point. The des ample stocks were kept? Not only truction and calamities have occurred that. The Government should have only in Bihar and in the eastern parts rushed the grains in time to areas o f Uttar Pradesh. where there was disaster. I am not blaming the Government for the flood. Mr. Chairman: That explanation Certainly, it is not in their hands. shall have to be given when the time But there is no reason why they for reply comes. should not have taken action earlier. Shri S. A. Dange: I have only to My quarrel is, it takes starvation request that the interruption time is deaths to move the Government and not calculated in the 30 minutes given to make them rush the stocks. It to me. Otherwise, I do not mind the takes demonstrations, it takes the interruptions. As many hon. Members peasants to go round and surround ■s possible can interrupt me if the the courts and granaries in order to Chair allows. tell the Government that the situa tion is serious and that relief ought Well, in West Bengal, it is flood to be rushed. My quarrel is not that that is mentioned, and I thought flood production has fallen due to natural 1* disaster and natural calamity. calamities. I cannot quarrel with I mrvthg that point aside, what I was Government on that score nor can I *naking out was that the picture is blame the Ministers on the other side. <*“Mber»tely painted in such a way as But my blame or complaint on this create complacency in the minds of question is, why did not they rush in 193 M otion on 14 MAY 1857 A d d ress b y the President 1 9 4 [Shri S. A . Dange] any food grains earlier again, why any number of gentlemen in the Con should they wait until somebody gress Party who, within ten minutes am ong the public dies? But then, the in the Grain Merchants' Association death among the public is not im or in the stock exchange in Bombay, portant for the hon. Ministers. can find out on a badla day where Such deaths are not of public impor speculative advances are being made tance; only deaths in private are ol and where advances are being really public importance to them. That is made for honest trade purposes. another matter. But then, why is it They know it, and 1 can tell them that these deaths are necessary to that if they do not know it, “please move the Government? Therefore, come to the bullion exchange, please my comment is that this democracy come to the stock exchange, please functions only when the democrats come to the Grain Merchants’ A sso die in streets in public, and even ciation”, and we will tell you how then, if a man dies of starvation, the speculative advances are made to fo o d Ministers might say, “Oh, it is not hoarders and grain merchants w ho owing to starvation; it is just stoppage have nothing to do with trade as of the heart”. This sort of approach such. Therefore, why only restraint is an anti-democratic approach and on speculation? That is m y second this approach is very well brought out question. Why not abolish this spe in the President’s Adress. culation? Why not they stop it alto gether? When certain monopoly rings 1 want to say that food production got into trouble on the cotton ex-i, is painted in such a way as to create change some months back, Govern complacency in the public mind. ment took the step to stop the cotton Of course, people are giveji warnings, exchange and stopped the transaction that there should be no hoarding. in cotton exchange. If they could It is very strange to find sermons stop transactions on the cotton ex made to the people that they should change because certain merchants not hoard or indulge in wasteful ex were in trouble, because certain deal penditure. Can an agricultural ers could not meet their commitments labourer hoard? Can 40 per cent, of on the badla day, why not the Gov the population in this country hoard? ernment do it with regard to fo o d Can anybody tell me that any agri grains also? cultural labourer who is unemployed or who gets about a rupee a day can hoard sackfuls of grain? Who can Therefore, we say that the Presi tell me that the middle-class people, dent’s Address is a homily to the living in small tenements, can have wrong section of the people. It should tons of wheat or hoard up lots of not be addressed to the people in grains and cause prices to go high? general. It should be addressed to Who are the people that the Govern the hoarders in particular, because ment refer to, to whom they say “you the majority of the people are n ot should not hoard”? Let them say hoarding or indulging in wasteful that the speculators must not hoard, spending. Wasteful spending, n ot and the Government knows that specu done by millions but a handful of la tors are hoarding. But what is rich in the country cannot cause a Government doing? The Government crisis of food in the country, when sa y that the banks should not give especially the Government claims advances on speculation. The Fi that food production I)b« increased. nance Minister says, “we are putting Therefore, I say that the picture m tnints on the advances for specu painted by the Government Is not lation.” Why only restraint? Why true and the slogans are not correct. not abolish speculation on foodgrains? Therefore, the solution also will no* Why not they stop advancing money be correct it the same policy 4* pur for speculative purposes? There are sued. 995 Motion on 14 MAY 1957 A d d ress b y the Preside** 196 Take, for example, the way in that food is being made a point in which things are painted, mark the power politics. To sura up on food—the words even. T he White Paper says: picture presented by the address ia> “ T he fa ll was due to less favourable not correct; it does not reflect reality. weather conditions.” That was in Secondly, the slogans are not such as March. In May, it has become natu would lead to the correction of the ral calamities. From “Less favour situation, because it only speaks of able” , it has become “calamity” in hoarding done by the people, whereas two months, and this is a very rapid hoarding is done only by the specula progress in the thinking of the minis tors. terial benches. But now did they find it that “ less favourable weather” had Thirdly, the restraint proposed on really become a “natural calamity” expansionist tendencies in bank ad within two months? It is for the vances should not remain at the level simple reason that during these two of restraint, but should go over to a months, the peasants started sur complete stoppage of advances for rounding the granaries; the peasants speculation from the Reserve Bank of started demonstrating. People began India. to go to the courts and demand relief Then, the question would be, what from the Government. Therefore, it should we do? What we should do is was found that “it is not less favour that, instead of putting the peasants able weather but it is a real cala who demonstrate for supplies in pri mity” . True, it is all a real calamity. sons, better look after their demands But what is the solution proposed? quickly. Let us have fair price shops, The solution proposed in Punjab, as many as possible, and not sudden I learn, is that the fair price shops are ly stop them, because somewhere a being stopped and are proposed to be little price fall has taken place. stopped from 15th May. Why? I venture to state that food is being Of course, there is the usual ques made a point in power politics. I tion of land reforms. We have heard would request the Government not to of them for the last five years and treat this item at least in the life of we shall be hearing of them for the the people as an instrument of power next five years. Bhoodan is one, and politics. God bless Vinobaji if he succeeds under the present system in carrying Shri C. D. Pande (Naini Tal): them out. So far as ceiling is con Neither political capital put of it for a cerned, the ceiling is still in the realm party. of theory. They do not know exactly Shri S. A. Danger Surely, but do where the ceiling is and where the not make food capital out of it. Politi floor is; perhaps they will know it cal does not starve anybody, but food when the floor slips from under their capital does. feet next time. Therefore, I need not There is a report in the Statesman talk about agrarian reforms. Unless to which I shall draw attention. It is and until the {feasants force the Gov said that the prices are falling in ernment in each area to carry out the Punjab, this has got to be stopped by reforms, 1 am sure none of the pro closing the shops. Another reason for mises will be carried out as they are their closure, which the Government given either in the Five Year Plan or will be reluctant to admit is that Sar- the election promises of the ruling dar Pratap Singh Kairon’s ministry, party. I would simply say, please for with its obvious bias in favour of the God’s sake, carry out the reforms peasants— (I want to correct him and quickly; Jet the peasant have his land say “ in favour of rich speculating and let us fix the ceiling. And, tem capitalists’) perhaps is anxious porarily, at least until the difficulty to avoid any fall in their is tided over, let us completely gus- profits.” Here is a suggestion—I do pend land revenue and -rent collec riot say it is a fact, though it may be— tions where scarcity is prevailing. M otion on 14 MAY W 7 Address by. the P r * M * * t 15$ A n Hon. Member: That has been usually given, but some quota holders done. instead of exporting that commodity, sell the quotas in the market to Shri S. A. Dance: Only in parts. somebody at higher prices. I would The second .point to which I want like to know from whichever M inis to refer is, how about the second Five ter is concerned with this why this is Year Plan, which is supposed to re taking place. There is a licensing build the country into socialism. We committee, a quota committee and any are told that they are in financial diffi number of secretaries. Quotas are culty and in balance of payment diffi given to A, B or C for exporting culty. On that I would say that in the manganese or tea. Instead of export President’s address, a very welcome ing it and earning foreign exchange, note is given, namely, that in spite of he goes to the market and says, “We the difficulties, the working of the Plan are not able to use this quota and so will not be halted and that it will not we will sell, it to anybody who wants be delayed, though there are demands to buy it”. There was a regular ad that the Plan should be spread over vertisement in the Times of India by from 5 years to 7 years and that cer a well-known flrfri which says, “ W e tain schemes should be cut down. I have got quota; we cannot use it and welcome it as a good feature that we are prepared to sell it.” Does the those gentlemen who want cutting hon. Minister know of this advertise' down of the Plan are not going to be ment? If he does not, I will procure given quarter in the policy of the it for him. That firm was honest Government of India. That is a wel enough to advertise, but does the hon. come feature but only saying that is Minister know how many people are not enough. It speaks of difficulties, conducting unadvertised sales of but how are the difficulties in balance quotas? of payment going to be resolved? I do not want discuss that point in de The Minister of Industry (Shri tail now; I will do it at the proper M anubhai S h a h ): Will you give their time in the proper place. But, I names? would say plainly one thing that is Shri S. A. Dange: 1 will give, if indicated in the White Paper is that your secretary does not help. There the private sector's investments are fore, so far as the Five Year Plan is uncontrolled. How is it that concerned, please have a proper eye the White Paper itself says on the private sector. I do not want that the precise figures of private the private industries to be stopped; investment and precise figures of 1 do not mean that they should n ot advances are not available? No pre be given finances, but I do not want cise figures of anything are available, them to run away with the allocations most probably, in any case, of what in such a way as to disturb the whole is happening in the realm of the pri relation of economy between the pri vate sector. vate and public sectors. It is frankly Hie Finance Minister laid down a admitted by the Finance Minister in certain plan in which a certain his White Paper that he does not know how it happened. I f he r f/w amount was to be invested in the pri vate to make a statement that he does not know, what is he therefor? The not know how suddenly a larger in job should be given to somebody who knows how to d o it. vestment took place in the private sector—a wonderful method of con I need not deal with the questions ducting the finances of the country. of imports at length here, as to w hat If be does not know it, may I tell imports are going to be cut out and him a fe w things? There is difficulty what exports are going to be allowed. in balance of payments which an Here we have developed a practice to affected by the export trade also. In accept all principles in words mn* the export trade* quota* for exports are violate them in practice. There it. *99 M otion on 14 M A Y 1987 Address by the President 30 0 quarrel over the definition of ‘luxury’ because of the work they have done, ‘necessity’- There is some change but that is not going to stop the Maha ia that line of luxury imports for rashtrian people from getting their improving the finances of the second Maharashtra State and that is not Five Year Plan. But, because the also going to stop the Gujarati people Plan is being disturbed, I do not want from getting their Gujarati State. them to attack the standards of the Therefore, we have given the vote; working class, its wages etc. For ex the vote is the verdict of Maharash ample, it takes the Government of tra and Bombay. Please respect the India months and months to decide vote and respect democracy. If de whether retrenchment compensation, mocracy is not respected, but is sup which is excluded by the Supreme pressed by bayonets, the answer will Court, should be restored or not. By also be in some stronger terms. In that time, a foreign railway company this country bayonets are met by —the Parsi Light Railway Company— peaceful satyagraha. And if democ has run away with Rs. 30 lakhs; that racy’s verdict is not going to be obey is how our capital is vanishing. If ed, then satyagrapha, political gene you allow a foreign company to run ral strike and hartals will again be away with Rs. 30 lakhs to England, launched in Maharashtra and Bombay you will certainly run short of capi City in order to tell you once more tal and accumulations. Why does this of the mind of the people. Seeing happen? In certain lines, our invest the elections in Bombay—municipal ment in foreign countries also has got electionsl legislative elections—with to be checked. All this is happening folded hands, we appel to you; see because the Ministries are not vigi what is there; see what the people lant. I do not charge them just now are thinking and concede what they of completely lacking in principles, require; stop the quarrels. If the because the principles are stated in Gujarati and Maharashtrians quarrel the programme and certainly, I must over Bombay-—I am not sure they are say that they accept the principles; quarrelling, they are not—help them only the principles are not being to come to an amicable settlement. translated into practice. Have a round table conference, study each other’s difficulties, the Gujaratis’ difficulties, the difficulties of the third subject I should like to Maharashtrians or of Karwaris; study mention is the question of the States. them, argue with them. Let us give V,e are told that this is a democracy. and take and obey the verdict of de If you accept it is a democracy, please mocracy. That would be my prayer accept the verdict of democracy, of to the ruling circles here. For God’s the people of Bombay State and sake do not neglect this vote; do not Maharashtra to form a separate Maha neglect to read the signs, and just rashtra State and a Gujarati State. say we are in a majority and we shall Call a round table conference carry on with that majority as we as soon as possible. We are told, like like. Many majorities have crumbled the Englishmen who told us before in the past and this majority will not that because the Hindus and Muslims be an exception to that. Therefore, quarrelled, vre could not have swaraj, on this question I am only submitting that since the Gujaratis and Maha a prayer through you. Sir, to the rul rashtrians quarrel over Bombay, you ing circles: Call a round table con cannot have a Maharashtra State or a ference. Let the two interests, if they Gujarati State. They are trying to are quarrelling meet and help in the carry out certain lessons of the past in solution of the quarrel. What the practice today; but that practice is Ministers are doing is to intensify dangerous. No amount of shooting is the quarrels. That is what I going to stop the Maharashtrians from Therefore, I request that they should taking Bombay. Shooters may be immediately take this matter in promoted to the higher Ministries, and try to resolve the problem o f 201 M otion on 14 MAY 1957 Addrws* by tHe President 30A [Shri S. A. Dange] Maharashtra and Gujarat, because Shri S. A. Dange: Thank God the theirs is the only problem left in the Soviet explode at least in their own country; they do not explode In some whole country in reorganisation of other people’s country. That at least states. you should know. When all others have got their beautiful States carved out according Now we agree with the Prime Minis to their satisfaction, 1 would ask you ter in his efforts to persuade all these gentlemen on the other side why you people to stop their tests. But I w ant should deny that pleasure and that to strike a little, what I m ay ca ll, right to us. Just because we have a jarring note. It is not necessary for committed the sin of rearing a beauti the Prime Minister in order to per ful Bombay amidst us? Why should suade the Government of Great B ri you make us quarrel? Why should tain to stop the tests to be a M em ber you not concede the demand of the of the Commonwealth. M y P rim e people? All the people of India have Minister has stated many a time that got their own States. They are now if we are there we can persuade and speaking in their own languages, in do many good things. The good Tamil, in Malayalam, in Bengali or things we have seen so far is the bom Hindi, in their own States. Please bing of Egypt, the denial of self- allow us to do that and have our own government to Malaya and massacre Marathi State and Maha Gujarat in Cyprus and my Prime Minister has State, and I am sufe it will not be a not been able to stop the amiable distraction from the unity of the gentlemen of the Commonwealth from country, but will strengthen the unity doing these things. Therefore, the of the country, of which you and we, question is: is it necessary to conti both of us, are proud. nue any longer in such a Common wealth, when we know that they do not hear our good advice and in fact Mr. Chairman: The hon. Member’s persist in their policies of massacres time is up. and invasions. Therefore, I would tell the Prime Minister through—I Shri S. A. Dange: The last point I would certainly wish him bon voyage wish to make is with regard to hyd when he goes out and I would cer rogen bomb tests. We all are agreed tainly like him to be safe in his that these tests must be stopped. We voyages—that I would not like him to are all agreed on the efforts that the attend these Commonwealth Prime Prime Minister is making in persuad Ministers Conferences. Personal safe ing other countries to stop these journeys, yes, but let him not under tests, and abolish the atom bomb for take these journeys for Common ever. But I should like one point to wealth Conferences, because they are be noted. It is not true that all the conferences in which we sit in a ring three atom powers that is the United of imperialists. If it is a ring o f the States, the Soviet Union and the Bandung nations, or United N ations, United Kingdom continue to adhere where everbody sits and talks, then to a policy of tests and not agreed to we should have no objection. But stoppage of tests. The Soviet Union there is no reason why we should has already agreed that it is prepared specialise ourselves in sitting in a to stop the tests. The other Commonwealth which massacres two have not agreed. I only want Cyprus, Egypt, Malaya and so on. to mention that. ( Interruption) I f Therefore, ray submission is all suc you dislike that a g reem en t y ou m ay cess to his efforts for peace; all success say so. to his efforts to stop the H bomb; but in order to carry those efforts we Sbrl M. F. MMhra: They agree and should not be in the Commonwealth; tfcay explode! we should quit the Commonwealth. 303 M otion on 14 MAY 1957 A d d rett b y the President 304 These are all the points which lor Now I come to the other points that the present I wish to submit. I desire to make. The country ha* seen a great reform recently; that w u Shri Heda (Nizamabad): Mr. Chair the introduction of the decimal coin man, Sir, 1 would like to touch on two age. All of us are very happy that the or three points, but before I do that naya paise have come into force and I would like to refer to one point just people all over the country are very now made by my hon. friend Mr. jubilant over it. But our Posts and Dange. He said that the verdict of Telegraphs Department have adopted the people of Maharashtra and Bom a policy, a sort of callous policy, as a bay has been given in favour of Maha result of which there is general con rashtra with Bombay, and, therefore, demnation of the introduction of naya his demand is that Government should paise. The official calculator had accept that verdict and immediately given us that two annas mean twelve take steps to have a separate Maha naye paise. But the Postal Depart Gujerat State and Maharashtra with ment overnight changed the price of Bombay. The point is it was on the the envelope to thirteen naye paiae, advice of the country and not on the and that created complications. No advice even of Members of Parliament doubt they would have lost some reve from those particular regions this nue— they say they might have lost a House had accepted this bilingual for few lakhs of rupees. But what we mula. would have lost in the sale of nostal envelopes might have been gained, if Shri S. A . D ange: For giving that not fully at least substantially, in the advice they were all defeated. sale of post cards. The post card according to the old rate was nine pies, An Hon. Member: The House can and according to the calculator it was change it. five naye paise. I therefore think that the action of the Posts and Telegraphs Mr. Chairman: Will these running Department in changing the postal commentaries go on? rates by taking advantage of the in troduction of such a big reform, was Shri Heda: Of course, many were not discreet. And I hope that what firm in their conviction that Bombay they have done will be undone by should go to Maharashtra. But we some other measures. conceded to the general wish of the country that the formula of a Another complication that has been bilingual State should be tried. There created after this introduction is this. fore my humble appeal to my hon. So far as the one -anna and two anna friend Mr. Dange and other people be coins were concerned, there was not longing to the Samyukta Maharash much difficulty. People could readily tra Samiti is that they should give accept six naye paise for one anna, scope and chance for this bilingual and even twleve naye paise for two State to work. If it does not work, annas. But the difficulty arose when then alone should they think of revis you had to give two naye paise for ing this decision. But if they go on one quarter anna coin and three naye harping from the beginning and not paise for a two quarter anna or half allow the formula to work, then I anna coin. I think if the Government would say that in this great demo had used some imagination and with cracy they will be indulging in some drawn this quarter anna coin oui of undemocratic tactics. Therefore, the circulation, much difficulty would threat of general boycott, hartal and have been avoided. The half anna satyagraha, at the very outset of the coin, the one anna coin and the two aecond Parliament is uncalled for. I anna coin do not present any diffi hope that they will take these factors culty; the greatest difficulty '.hat has into consideration and give a chance been presented is by the quarter anna to Bibb who are working this for- coin, and I suggest to the Govern ment that they should consider this M otion an 14 MAY 1057 Address by tut Jfresident ->n* [Shri HedaJ suggestion and withdraw the quarter red miles to the east and south-east anna coin from circulation as early as by areas which are surplus in fo o d possible. production. And even in Buch $ city recourse had to be taken for th e in At the same time I may state that troduction of a good number of fair the one naya paisa coin was not put price shops. Even after the introduc into the market to the extent that was tion of the fair price shops, for the needed. There were, rather, ve'y first month or two the prices did n ot few of them. Moreover, as was ex behave properly. These are matters pressed in this House and also in the that the Government should look in to. other House, the size of the one naya paisa is so small that it rather slips I do not say that the figures as given If the old device—I mean of making by the Department, in the statement a big hole in the centre— had been of the Food Minister, are not correct. adopted, the size would have been But the thing is that we must feel bigger, and this one naya paisa would them. I feel that the representatives not have slipped and it would have of the people, whether in Parliament become more popular. Even now, nc: or in the State Assemblies, should much is lost, and I hope that they will be associated in some procedure, at use that device. The objection from some stage or other, by which they the Government to adopting that de can verify the figures that have been vice was that the naya paisa in that obtained. I have toured in my own ease would be used for some other constituency and there is no doubt purposes. But nothing is lost if people that I have found out that good re put the one naya paisa for some other forms have taken place. For instance, industrial use. What Government will better agricultural implements have have to do would that be they will been used; the Japanese method of have to mint more of these coins, and rice cultivation has been used exten the Government would have in fact sively. Even then, when people are been benefited by starting a small told that the food production is 25 industry. per cent, more, I see from their faces that they do not believe in those Now, I come to food production. I figures. Therefore, I think it will have come from an area which is tradi a very nice psychological effect if the tionally surplus in food. Telengana people’s representatives in the Parlia and the rest of Andhra Pradesh are ment as well as in the Assemblies are a very rich area so far as food pro associated in the process of taking this duction is concerned. We have been census so far as food production is told in the President’s Address that concerned. about 25 per cent, of food production has been achieved. That increase is The third point, which I thinlr is there in the course of the last five again a universal one, is we are see years. In the course of the last five ing that bureaucracy is working to its years, I think the population would full, and in spite of the advent o f free have increased hardly five to seven dom for the last ten years we notice per cent., or at the most eight per very little change in their attitude. cent- Therefore, in spite of a few Even now, you m ake any representa calamities here and there this year tion, it is not looked into properly. and even to some extent last year, The result is that we have to approach when w e find that there is a tendency the higher-ups sometimes even the Of food prices rising, one begins to Ministers, and it is only after their en wonder, particularly when the food dorsements that matters are looked in prices rise in a city like Hyderabad to. Then again, when we get the which is surrounded by about one replies, they am very evasive. Some hundred miles to the north and to the times I fe e l that the tendency of west and by about four to five htrod- bureaucracy is n ot to nee common* *07 M otion on 14 MAY 1967 Address by the President aoS *ense but to interpret the rules or the Lok Sabha Secretariat. It is grati letter of the rules in such a way as to fying to note that the Lok Sabha Sec delay the process of getting the deci retariat sympathetically intervened sion. And many times, the delays are and they approached the New Delhi so dangerous that they defeat the Municipality with a request that that very purpose. We have to evolve course may be adopted. That Member some method by which early justice of Parliament had suggested another and early remedies would be possible. way out aiso. He said that he would not pay about two or three months' I have seen in many offices a sen bills and that these bills may be ad tence put on the walls, a sentence by justed from the former deposit and our Prime Minister. The sentence is that he would pay a new deposit. that he is not interested in explana Even that was not accepted. One fine tions; he is interested in getting things morning, his water and electricity done. Therefore, we have to see that connections were cut off. He had to the things are done very early. make a new deposit. My only pur pose in giving this example was to I will, just as an example of this show that the commonsense that one man’s deposit could, with his consent, bureaucratic working, mention one case which pertains to a Member of have been easily transferred, without this Parliament. About seven years any difficulty, to another man was not back he and a few other Members of used and, they insisted on the letter of Parliament had obtained one bunga the rule. The letter of the rule did low, what is called an M.P.’s bunga not permit a book transfer. In these low. And after the next elections, the days when we insist on banking and other advanced methods of money others opted out for the State Assem transactions, such a course could have blies and he was the sole occupant of been adopted. Therefore, I think the the bungalow. The deposit for the Government have to tackle with this water and electricity charges in the bureaucracy and bureaucratic proce New Delhi Municipal Committee was dure as a national problem and I think in the name of one of the other Mem it is national problem No. I. I hope bers. So he wrote once, and again, that these suggestions would be look that the deposit may be transferred ed into by the Government. to his name and that he was prepar ed to get the assent of the other Mem ber in whose name the deposit lay. Shri U. C. Fatnalk (Ganjam): Mr. There was no reply. About three Chairman, in moving amendment years passed in this way. And one No. 37, I beg to point out that Defence day he received a letter in \vhich they is a very important subject. It takes said, that “their Supervisor has found nearly 50 per cent, of our Budget and out that somebody is occupying this it affords scope for training our youth bungalow and using the water and in various ways. From that point electricity unauthorisedly” and there of view, I beg to submit that Defence fore he should furnish the deposit should have been given some consi early. The Member replied back that deration in the President’s Address, it was he who was insisting on this particularly because, the President for the last two or three years, and happens not only to be the head of he referred to the correspondence. To our civil administration under article cut the story short, there was a 53 ( 1) of the Constitution, but also the demand for a fresh deposit. He stat Supreme Commander of our Defence ed that instead of the other Member forces, under clause ( 2) of the same taking his deposit back and his put article. Apart from the fact that the ting it in again, it would be better President is the Supreme Commander if there was only a book entry and the of our Defence forces, it is absolutely deposit transferred. But, the muni necessary that Defence should be cipality did not accept. That Mem given a high priority in the present ber of Parliament took the help of the set-up. Our Defence forces should 909 M otion on 14 MAY 1989 .Address 2>v tlw PwwfcU** aro [Shri U. C. Patnaik] have a sort of ait assurance from the nuclear weapons. From that point a t President as well as from the Gov view, we have been suggesting a num ernment that they are protected In ber of things in the interest* a t the these days of nuclear warfare. It Is defence organisation. We have been also necessary, that the President suggesting from here that there should should have given us an assurance that be scope for extension of Reserve in the event of a war, we have got units. You know that we have not proper defence arrangements and pro even bulit up reserves to the extent per training and equipment for our of 1 /9th or l/10th of standing colour defence. units. That is a way of minimising defence expenditure. In our country, In this connection, I would congra we had nominal reserves. Of course, tulate our Government and our Prime in 1919 the Mestonian Commission re Minister on ensuring the best defence ported against our system of reserves. in modern warfare, namely, mainte Still that was continued by the Bri nance of international peace. Be tishers. There has been very little cause, today, the best defence in a war change even after attainment of In of the atomic age, is peace and dependence. We want that the re avoidance of war itself. Apart from serves should be such that they may the attempt, that is being made in the be capable of expansion during emer international sphere to avoid war, gencies with one month’s training. when we are maintaining a heavy machinery, though it is only to meet war with conventional weapons, we Similarly, we have another sugges have to see that we have the best tion with regard to reduction of the arrangement for defence on the one defence expenditure. We have in this hand, and that our expenditure on country a duplicate officer system, defence ensures to the benefit of our namely the Junior Commissioned Offi social, economic and political rebuild cer. You, Sir, from this side of the ing of our nation. From both these House had moved last year a Resolu points of view, we have to examine tion about the Junior Commissioned the question of defence and see if Officer cadre. It was a duplication there is scope for utilising the defence introduced in this country by the Bri machinery for ensuring better defence tishers, because the British officers in and at the same time for ensuring charge of platoons, companies or bat better development programmes and talions did not know the language of projects. the country, they had the system of Viceroy’s Commissioned Officers. With these two considerations in After the attainment of Independence, view, we have been suggesting for the after the departure of the Viceroy, we last so many years that there should have simply re-named it Junior Com be some change here and there in the missioned Officers and we have been defence organisation to ensure better carrying on. At the platoon level, at defence in an emergency and better the company level, at the battalion nation-building programme during level, you have a Non-Commissioned peace time. Of course, some of these Officer, you have a Junior Commis suggestions have been accepted. We sioned Officer and you have an Offi have an expanded National Volunteer cer. Today, when the Viceroy has Force now. We have also a sort of a departed, it would have been easy to nucleus reserve being bulit up. But, reduce the defence expenditure by re that progress that should be made in planning in respect of the Junior Com view of the urgency of the times is missioned Officers’ organisation or the not being made. We submit that our V.C.Os.’ organisation. We have not defence organisation should be pre done that. These are suggestions pared at least for a war with conven made from time to time with a view tional weapons, if not for a war with to improve the defence organisation Station o n 14 MAY 1967 A d d ress b y th e P resid en t 2 X2 Mtti minimi** the cost. It is unfortu could be taken up on contract basis nate that many of them have not been as they do in other countries, through considered by the department con M.E.S. You may be aware that in cerned. America the Alabama Dara was com pleted by Military engineers, but here Then again I refer to the Ordnance in our country we have a dearth of factories. We have been referring engineering staff. We have no techni here several times to them as to how cal personnel for our big projects there is so much spare capacity for and yet our M.E.S. organisation is work, how so much could be done there only to serve as a liaison and so on. The Public Accounts Com between the department and the con mittee and the Estimates Committee tractors. have recommended a thorough over haul of these ordnance organizations. Then I wish to say something about Even that has not been attended to. the educational corps. In every Other It has been pointed out recently by country education is being given the the Estimates Committee how even highest priority in the Defence organi the Baldev Singh Committee report is zation, because after 3 to 5 years of not being implemented properly. service people have to go back and they have to be absorbed into civilian Now we have got depots with very life. For absorption into civilian life valuable material. Sometimes we are there is special training. In the Army, ordering some material from Western Navy or Air Force services there are countries. Still we do not know what E.V.T. courses and so many other is the material in our depots. There courses, in order to train these person has been no plan. Things are not pro nel and make them fit for civilian perly kept; there is no coverage; there life. Here in our country we have not are no test tracks, no horse standing got that educational system. We had ground with the result that things during the British rule a small educa are lying in the open without proper tional corps. At that time the Bri care and still we are going in for tishers found—it was during the things from other countries. Second World War—that from the army point of view some education should be given to the people and they Similarly in the matter of vehicles. recruited some professors as Lieute We have got very valuable vehicles; nant Colonels. That was the highest I would not like to go into detail, grade to which they could recruit pro because I had an opportunity of see fessors; they got a number of profes ing as a Member of some Committee sors recruited as Lieutenant Colonels or other but there are very valuable and thev started the Army Educa vehicles imported costing hundreds of tional Corps. At present the Army crores and still they are lying uncared Educational Corps has become less in for and in the open air. its standards than were required by the Britishers and now you have got Then in our country we have the the Army Educational Corps being run Military Engineering Service. They do by people who do not possess the not do any engineering work. They necessary qualifications to run it. Th« are there only serving as a iiaison bet idea of having the Army Educations) ween the Ministry and the contractors. Corps and vocational training is that So our Military Engineering Service as soon as a man finishes his short is entirely dependent upon the con term service during the period of his tractors for 98 per cent, of the Military reserves liability as well as later on Engineering works. We have been he gets himself absorbed in ifie pointing out in this House several nation’s development drive; he joins times that these Military Engineering different vocations and he is fit for works can be undertaken by the work. - In the United Kingdom on M.E.S. itself and not only the M. E. whose pattern we are said to have works but also the civilian works built our army, the teachers’ training M otion on 14 M A t 18(7 Addrett +V 4h* Prw&ent 2.14 {Shri U. C. Patnaik] diploma given by the army is consi food drive came to an and, whereas dered suitable for civilian life for our delegation while in China w as one to become a teacher. Similarly very happy to note that the arm y 1® in various other vocations a certificate doing quite a lot of grow more fo o d of proficiency and the diplomas given work. The army is being given train by the army organization are consi ing in engineering, in technological so dered to be on a par with similar dip that the army personnel as soon as lomas and degrees given by universi they are released from tlreir serv ice, ties and civilian education courses. i.e., 3 years in the army, 4 years in Here in our country, we have not yet the navy and 5 years in the air force, got that system. It is for our plan they go back and help the country in ners to consider why they should the development drive. In fact w e not utilise the large personnel of youth have given certain reports; I was organizations for their adult education, asked to prepare a report on defence for their technological drive etc. It is of China; I would be placing a cop y for our planners to consider these on the Table of the House and I h ave matters. It is not merely for the submitted it to the hon. Mr. Speaker. defence personnel; it is not merely for Other Members have also submitted the defence organization and I res reports on various aspects of Chinese pectfully submit that our defence or administration. I am not ^comparing ganization has not been brought up in our country with China; I am not those traditions of thinking in terms comparing our Government with the of developing national reserves. Chinese Government. What I am sub mitting is that if there is something to 2 S h r s . learn from another country, let us do it and what we have learnt from China Recently, our delegation has been to is that they are utilising this defence China and one very great thing was organization and these defence forces their efficacy in integrating defence for expanding education in their XShrl U. C, Pftifiaaq information about sabotage infiltration Shri C. D. rude; We are. a n d other fifth, columnist activities in - aid* ou r country and also abroad. I Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: You xo*T w ou ld , therefore, submit that the Min be, but I am not. ' ister of Defence should, be associated Mr. Chairman: That is the beauty with the Ministry of Home Affairs and of the democracy, namely that we have the Intelligence Departments of the to hear other views, however unplaa- States, in order to make this Organisa sant they may be. tion very sound. Shri C. D. Pande: I am in favour Shri Brajeshwar Prasad (Gaya): I, of dollars from America. a lon g with all the Members of this House, suffer from fear. Mr. Chairman: But let us hear tike hon. Member. Shri S. N. Dwivedy (Kendrapa ra): Fear of the Prime Minister? Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: We should take military aid, and especially Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: I am o f nuclear weapons, from Russia. I d l> the opinion that this country is likely not know how far my inforngatlan is to be invaded by Pakistan. It was a correct, I have been told, and I have sheer accident that Marshal Zhukov gathered from the newspapers also was here in the month of January. that Pakistan has been snpplied or is ' People were under the impression rightly or wrongly that Pakistan would going to be supplied with nuclear wea pons. invade this country on the 26th Jan uary. Marshal Zhukov’s presence had An hon. Member: They shall not a salutary effect. be able to use it. I have been suggesting on the floor Of this House for the last seven or Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: When 1 eigth years that there should be a suggest a military alliance between military alliance between India, China India, China and Russia, I know that and Russia. The question of Kashmir military alliances in Europe have not was always present in my mind when led to fruitful results. But when I I made this suggestion on the floor suggest a military alliance, I always of this House. We are responsible to have the goal of a world federation in the country, and we shall be held res view. A militray alliance between ponsible to the country, and we shall India, China and Russia, will pave the be held responsible before the bar of way for the political integration of the public opinion if anything untoward whole of the Afro-Eurasian land-mass. happens. I speak with a full sense of responsibility when I say that a mili I am in favour of a joint defence tary imbalance has been created after council being formed at the present Partition, and we have done nothing moment—as soon as possible,— to restore the balance. between China, Russia and India. I mean a joint defence council constat The balance can be restored only by taking military aid from Russia. A ing of the representatives of India, military alliance should be formed China and Russia. with China and Russia. I am in favour q i borrowing nuclear weapons Shri & S. Mnrthy (Kakinada—Re from Russia. served—Sch. Castes): There are two Chinas. Shri G. 9 . Pande: And dollars from A m erica t Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: The Chtofs Shri Brajeshwar' PYttfed: I am sot of Staff of these three countries should -in fa v o u r a t all o f taking any a id fr o m meet and ohalkout a joint plot A m erica . action, if occasion arises. M otion on 14 MAY 185V Address fry ft* President z» O Use thne ientln«to of humanity in breaks out, this whole planet will be finiril and erf tha coloured race in shattered to pieces. particular, Nehru, Mao and Khrush- Cbev, should meet a* early as possible. There is another alternative. Tlia I t an alliance is openly arrived at, whole of the Afro-Asian land m at there will be no war between India will emerge as one political unit undar and Pakistan. Both India and Pakis the joint leadership of India, China tan will continue to exist as sovereign and Russia. I am also in favour of entities till a world federation comes a military alliance between India, Into being. But if there is no open China and Russia because I appre alliance between India, China and hend that these three countries will fight amongst themselves either today Russia, war may break out and Russia may invade Pakistan and finish or tomorrow. ; Pakistan. When I suggest a military allianoe, I always have a federal end in view. B brt C. D. Pande: That is very nice! The nations of Western Europe ih par Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: I do not ticular fought amongst themselves. want the liquidation of Pakistan. The result was disaster. Where is England now? What has become of Shri C. D. Pande: Why not? the French Empire? Germany has been divided into two. Nation states Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: If Pakistan are gangsters. They light; it is in is liquidated, from Constantinople to their nature to fight. A11 the condi Rawalpindi, all the regions will pass tions are well set for a light between within the Soviet orbit of influence. India, China and Russia in Asia. Thaae If America had given a public warn nations must come together if Asia is ing to Germany in 1914, the first world to be saved from the catastrophe that war would never have broken out; if has overtaken Europe. in 1939, President Roosevelt had warn ed Hitler—if a public warning had Shri S. N. Dwivedy: It is very good been given—the second world war to hear this from a Congress Party would never have broken out. A Member. military alliance between India, China and Russia is in the nature of a public Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: You are a warning to all war-mongers and to all new Member; or else you would no< imperialists who are trying* to sub have made this remark. jugate the whole of the Middle East. Mr. Chairman: The old Mrolwt shall continue to address the Chair. Shri Bhattacharya (West Dinajpur): Is the hon. Member sure that China Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: I am marry and Russia will agree? for this lapse. Shri C. D. Pande: The best thing The Baghdad Pact is bound to b e is for Marshal Zhukov to take up per liquidated. Will it be liquidated by manent residence in Delhi ! war or by diplomatic methods? When I say ‘diplomatic methods', I mean a Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: I have said military alliance between India, China that there should be a military alliance and Russia. It will lead to the liqui leading to the establishment of a dation of the Baghdad Pact by peaceful federal union. Only a federal union means, without shedding one drop of can prevent war; no amount of diplo human blood. If war breaks out, the macy in the United Nations Organisa Baghdad Pact will be shattered to tions or anywhere else on earth can pieces and the whole of the M iddle prevent war. War is a necessary con East may pass into the Soviet orbit p i comitant of the institution of the influence. A military alliance between nation state. It cannot be prevented India, China and Russia will also jo^a- b y any other mechanism. If a war vent a political settlement b etw een Motion on 14 MAY W5? Address by th* Prttident *a* £Shii Brajeshwar Prasad] America and Russia. This is the tion of the old world, preferably -on the greatest danger, the greatest menace basis of federalism, is the only solu of the age; if America and Russia come tion of all the problems of Asia, Africa to a political settlement, the uncom and Europe. mitted nations of Asia will be divided into two spheres of influence—Russian America has established her own and American. A political settlement hegemony over the new world, but is always based on give and take. If she is opposed to the political integra we are under the impression that a tion of the old world. Twice within political settlement between Russia my own lifetime, she went to war to and America will be on some altruis prevent Germany which had nearly tic basis, we are living in a fool’s para succeeded in establishing her hege dise. The whole of South-East Asia mony over Europe. There was one will pass into the American orbit of nation in Asia. Now she has become influence if a political settlement is weak as a result of the two atom arrived at between America and bombs dropped over Hiroshima and Russia. The Middle East may go to Nagasaki—I am referring to Japan. Russia. This alone can be the basis Japan tried to consolidate South-East of understanding between Russia and Asia. She was wiped out by America. America. I cannot think of any other Now President Nasser is trying to basis of a political settlement between stabilise the Middle East. He thinks the two. in terms of an Arab State. The Eng I give a public warning that this lish and the French were made to in political settlement between Russia vade Egypt. By backdoor and shame and America must be prevented at less methods, Jordan has been brought all costs. Hence I suggest that India, under American control. China and Russia should come to a The interests of India and America settlement, a military alliance. If they come to a political settlement or some can never meet. They are antagonis military understanding, it will not lie tic. Unless the old world is integrated into a political unit, there cannot be in the power of America to dominate any basis of settlement between South-East Asia. The balance of power will be shifted? (An Hon. Member: America on the one side and the old Where?). world on the other. I have done. Shri C. D. Pande: Sumatra! Shri M. R. Masanl (Ranchi—East): Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: The hon. Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am afraid it is a hard and thankless task to invite the Member’s uderstanding of foreign House to turn its attention to a matter- politics seems to be very crude and of-fact, rather mundane subject after elementary. the most fascinating and speculative Mr. Chairman: Even if that be the tour of the world upon which the pre case, the hon. Member has to listen to vious speaker invited the House to him. embark. Shri Brajeshwar Prasad: One last I speak in support of my amend point, and I will conclude. I have ment, No. 8 , drawing attention to two held the view since long, since the day Ordinances which have been referred I advocated on the floor of the House to in the speech of the President. that there should be a military alliance Many years ago, more years than I between India, China and Russia, that care to remember, when I was a stu there is no basis of agreement or dent, I sat at the feet of Prof. Las lei— understanding between India and I know many other Members in this America. Hie interests of India and House must also have shared that very America run poles apart. America is stimulating experience including the opposed to the political integration present Defence Minister who is not i» of the old world, and political integra his place. Prof. Laski went to Moscow M otto* on 14 M A Y 1957 A d d re tt b y the President 22 4 and made a speech, which greatly up Speaker had said that the power set the British public. Discussing the should be used very sparingly, but English quality of sportsmanship, of there is a tendency to use this power playing cricket, Prof. Laski.made an rather generously, forgetting that the observation, perhaps an unfair one, purpose of this clause in the Constitu that the British surely played the tion is to deal with an emergency. game according to rules but that when they lost the game they changed the I do not wish to enter into the merits rules! or demerits of either the Ordinances or the judgments of the courts to 1 must, confess that when I read, nullify which these Ordinances were within a period of one week, two Or passed. For that, there w ill. be an dinances being enacted reversing the other occasion when hon. Members judgments of the High Court of Bom will have their say. But I do wish to bay and the Supreme Court of this raise the general issue which is of a country, I was irresistibly reminded historic nature. It was as far back as of Prof. Laski’s commentry on English 1389 when the British House of Com sportsmanship. In raising today this mons petitioned King Richard II to ab issue of the Ordinance-making power, stain from using his power of passing I realise 1 am not doing anything very Ordinances and by the 15th century original. In the days when we parti this power of executive legislation had cipated in the Civil Disobedience cam lapsed and had become obsolete. In paigns, we referred to this practice as our own country, this power is a relic ‘Ordinance Raj’. And, as recently as of the Government of India Act, 1935. February 16, 1954, this House had a And when it was sought to perpetuate ^ serious and worthwhile discussion in this power, Dr. Ambedkar—who was a situation somewhat similar to the then piloting the Constitution—made present—only, on that occasion seven a statement that the emergency power Ordinances had been enacted, not two. in our own new Constitution of the Dr. Krishnaswami and an hon. Mem Republic of India was similar to the ber who occupied the seat from which power of the Crown to make a procla I am speaking made a very useful con mation of emergency under the Em tribution by drawing attention to the ergency Powers Act of 1920 in Eng way in which this power was being land. One has only to recall these exercised by the Executive. This led things to realise how lightly now w* to an excellent debate and also to a are getting into the habit of resorting very sound proposition being adum to the use of administrative law. The brated by the Speaker of the House, distinction seems to be overlooked your distinguished predecessor, to between a real emergency and ad whom reference was made only two ministrative convenience. days ago. The Speaker, the late Shri Mavalankar, then said that “ it would I am not for a moment denying the be recognised that that is not a demo good intentions or the good faith of cratic way of doing things”—referring those who have enacted these Ordi to the enactment of the Ordinances— nances or who have advised the Presi and “it is only in exceptional circum dent to take this step. They undoub stances that Government might issue tedly wanted to do something which Ordinances. They can, only if they in their view was in the national in must.” I feel that the enactment of terest or the public interest. But I these last two Ordinances should not do suggest that everything in the pub be allowed to pass altogether without lic interest is not a legitimate occasion protest because such a protest may, for the enactment of an Ordinance. It perhaps, have the helpful result of may be that the courts of law, in this preventing this lapse becoming a bad particular case, misunderstood the in habit which an Executive endowed tention of the Legislature, as was sug with powers in any part of the world gested in the case of the Industrial la inclined to develop. The hon. Disputes Act, or it may not be so. It M o tio n tm U U*X WW Address b y - ^m .JpruUUm* » » [Sbri M. R. Masani] m ay b e th s t thte o rig in a l L ife when it was the Government, sat in iU u iv ic t Corporation Act vu judgment in its own cause. I do vrisb defective and needed to be to stress that this is not a happy situ improved. But surely the only body ation to arise when economic power w h ich has the power to put th ese in a planned economy inevitably gets matters right is' this House itself. This concentrated in the hands of the State. House was due to meet in a few days* o r a few weeks' time. I do submit 1 feel, therefore, that in these two tfiat the correct, the properly democra cases the objectionable nature of the tic course would have been to wait Ordinance is heightened by the fact for this new Parliament to assemble, that in both cases an attempt has been to put the problem before them and made to nullify the decisions—in one meanwhile at least to “play cricket” case of the Supreme Court of India and obey the decisions of the highest and in the other of the High Court of organs of our judiciary, respect Tor Bombay—of courts which to the best which we all wish to see enhanced and of their lights tried to interpret the developed. Otherwise the danger is statutes enacted by this Parliament. I (bat the Government becomes * the do not deny for a moment the right Judge in its own cause as I think has of this Parliament to amend a statute happened in the case of the Life on finding that it was not properly Insurance Ordinance. carried out; but for the Executive, between sessions of Parliament to claim that they can interpret the law Before leaving Bombay, 1 had occa better than the highest tribunals of sion to attend at their invitation a the judiciary of this country is, I meeting of the trade union represent suggest, something which this House ing the insurance workers. They pro should ponder and which should not tested against the use of this Ordi be allowed to pass without protest. nance I can testify to the great bitter ness that was felt by a large number This, Sir, is an issue which is above o f democratic trade unionists affiliated party politics; it is an issue in which broadly though not officially, to the the liberties of this House, the prestige INTUC and the Hind Mazdoor Union. of this House and the democratic liber They felt that this was a very poor ties of the people are at stake. I do return for eschewing the weapon of appeal to this House, to the Members the strike, for not falling into the of this House of all parties, not to let hands of those disruptors to whom this matter rest and on this occasion my hon. friend the Finance Minister and on the occasion when the Ordi referred in a previous debate on nances come before the House to stress this matter in the House. They did on Government that though we can not strike. They had kept away from see their good intentions, though we disruptive agitation. They did not can see that they might have taken this want to interfere with the smooth step with the best of motives, we do business of the Life Insurance Corpo believe that in future on such occa ration and so they went to a court sions they should abstain from inter Of law to test the provisions of the vention with the due process of law law. For a moment, they had a hard- until this House is in session and can won victory in the High Court of Bom be seized of the matter. bay. They found that the fruits of that victory were snatched away from Shri Oaaappa (Bangalore): Sir, I th em by the Executive, which, on th e join with my hon. friends who have One hand, made the Ordinance and, on expressed their gratefulness to the th e other, was the employer as the President for the Address which he management of the Life Insurance delivered to the joint session of Par Corporation. In other words, the liament. I would beg of thoee friends Trade Unionist* felt that the employer, who -are inclined to be critical . -or i f ortaw om 14 MAY 1987 Address by th* Pr**id*m 328 even hyper-critical to view the admi be an effort made to give a Quietus to nistration as a whole. What is that the whole dispute 00 that there is a this Government haa been able to settlement once' and for all. I am .accomplish during these years after pretty sure that those who handle the freedom? Do they not agree that these affairs would, if possible, like on the whole, by and large, it has to have the issue settled once for all g iv e n a marvellous account of itself and not allow it to hang over. But put the prestige of the country on a the question is: how is it possible? high pedestal and gained for it a very Has any person inclined to be critical prominent place in the comity of na any solution for that? It is not so tions today. To try to use a micro easy to have a solution. No doubt, if scope to find out where there may be proper diplomatic efforts are made some undesirable baccilli or things of and we are able to win over some of that sort would be a great injustice to the powers which are befriending the Government. In our search for Pakistan, it may be possible to have a trees, I am afraid we may final solution. I think that we may miss the wood. If we try to leave that question at that. assess Socrates, say, by the bulging Likewise, take the question of Goa. eyes that he had or the upturned nose Any way, that is not a matter which and not by the great contribution bristles with any inconvenient diffi which he had made, we would be poor culties for India as a whole. Even judges of Socrates. Likewise, here in there, it may be possible for us through the case of the working of this admi diplomatic channels to get an early nistration during these years, if we are solution. Let us hope that this is not able to develop a sense of propor possible. tion and realise the really substantial and great achievements that the Gov The President has referred at great ernment has to its credit, that would length to the happy solution of be doing less than justice to -the Gov the Suez Canal dispute. The situation ernment. has eased a great deal though other disputes have crept in the Middle Bast The two aspects of our administra or the Western Asia. In regard to tion are the one relating to the natio this particular issue, I think the part nal activities and the other relating to the international policy. Dealing with played by India has been exceptionally successful. You will find a reference the international policy pursued by to this fact in the U.K. Parliament by "this country, ably piloted by the Prime the Labour leaders that the Govern Minister, one is very happy to see that ment could have done equally weli or there is so little room for difference even better if they had not adopted the -among the different sections and the wrong policy at the beginning but ad •different parties in the land. That opted the policy which they had done indeed augurs well for the future of today. That, I think, was the stand this country. taken up by the Government of India It may be that the other side and and I ask whether there could be any this side are at various with regard to body who could differ with that. I com e domestic matters. But, on the think it is a matter of special gratifi ■whole we find that we are in agree cation to us tbat in the whole world ment so far as our foreign policy is there is nobody other than our able, •concerned. In some of amendments beloved and trusted Prime Minister aent up in connection with this Ad whose aid could be sought to bring dress, there are references to Kashmir about a solution for these problems in And Goa. There are fears that there the Middle East. That, I think, is a is no Immediate possibility of a settle positive achievement for this great ment in the case of Kashmir. The country on which we can well con question here is whether the Kashmir gratulate ourselves and congratulate issue should be allowed to go on un the Prime Minister. Whether it is the solved as it is or whether there should Russian bloc or whether it is the Afotten on H MAY 1967 Address fey tft* [Shri Dasappe] Western democracies, you see that the is, how to develop the economy o f one man who could be summoned to the country. It does not matter play the role a t a good Samaritan is whether it is the Govesmmeat that our Ptime Minister. That is a thing does it, or it is the private sector which my friends opposite may kindly that does it. Where, for instance, bear in mind when they deal with this the private enterprise is not suffi question. ciently active and forthcoming, I think there is a duty cast on the Gov I would now come to matters nearer ernment to sponsor those industries home. Here, I would say that it would and build up the economy of this, be a wrong assessment if we think country. And, when I say “Govern that the Union Government is held ment”, I do not confine it only to responsible for everything that the Central Government. I see nc goes on in India. We have a federal reason why the partnership of the Government. Certain subjects are State Governments should not be more or less exclusively within the sought and their co-operation taken 'jurisdiction of the States and those along with the public if necessary. are subjects which vitally concern the We must see that the States are also day-to-day life of the masses. So, enabled to sponsor and build up cer we must keep a correct sense of pro tain industries so that they may b e portion while criticising the actions able not only to further the economy of the Government. Everything and build it up along with the hangs round the implementation of Centre, but also to that extent lessen the Second Plan. I am glad to note the burden on the tax-payer. That that the Second Plan has restored the is a suggestion which I beg to make. balance between attention to indus tries and attention to agriculture. The other question is one of finance. The President himself has been One of the criticisms levelled pleased to say that the question of against the First Plan was feat it finance is a thing which causes serious- hardly concerned itself with the deve concern. I have absolutely no doubt lopment o f industries. But, then that the hon. Finance Minister, whose- there were the special problems. The resourcefulness everybody should cer food problem was very acute. Natural tainly admire, will be able to meet ly, attention was diverted to the difficulty and get over the situa grow more food and have more multi tion. I would, however, say that purpose projects. Now that we have, there is one way in which the resourc more or less, been able to solve It to es could be augmented and that iff the general satisfaction, it was time by increasing our exports. I am for us to turn to industries. I am sure the Government is doing every glad that greater emphasis is laid on thing possible in that direction. I industries, not only heavy industries am now thinking of that vast contin but also small-scale and cottage Indus ent which, I believe, provides a very tries. fertile field for our exports, ana that is Africa. We shall not worry Therefore, I think that the econo about South Africa, noT need we mic policy laid down by the Govern worry about the northern Mediter ment is a thing which is worthy of ranean coastal areas. In between acceptance by his House and there is there is the vast continent almost nothing very much for us to find untapped and, I believe, If a propet fault with it. I may with the permis Commission is constituted to ascertain, sion of the Minister concerned, say the possibilities and due steps are- that I am not one of those who believe taken, we will be able to capture * in water-tight compartments of pub large portion of the business in that lic and private sector. The question field. It would be wise for us not MtdM cm 14 MAT 1087 AO /brut by the President to tarry long in this matter and allow There is only one other matter to other State* to atep in. Then it will which I want to refer before I dose. pre»ent far greater difficulties. A democracy requires a certain level of education among the voters, other The other thing is about invitation wise there is danger ahead. It is to foreign investors. I am not one of nearly ten years since we have had those who will feel shy to get a.* freedom, and if you take the statis much foreign investment as possible tics you will find that today not even But* how will foreign investments 50 per cent, of the children of school- pour in? Unless we create a suffi going age are really being educated. ciently favourable atmosphere for I am only speaking of the children. those investments, I do not know That does not do us much good. I. from which quarter the investments therefore, beseech those in authority may com*. to apply their mind to this very urgent and very important factor and My next suggestion is about exercis do what best they can. ing economy. I would only just in brief indicate that there is room imr In die end 1 woaid again appma vo economy, especially with regard to the hon. Members opposite to view the class IV category in the adminis the whole question in its entirety and trative offices. 1 am not relerring to not merely in parts. the executive side, but I think Mr. Chairman: The following are India is the only country where we the amendments which have been have an army, an unproductive force, indicated by the members to be mov in the shape of class IV servants or ed subject to their being otherwise - chaprasis. I do not think there is admissible: ^ any other country with which we can compare ourselves. It is possible for Nos. 1 to 5, 7 to 14, 16, 20, 21 to us to exercise sufficient economy in 23, 27, 28, 31 to 35, 37, 40 to 42, that direction and that will have a 44, 47 to 50. wholesome effect. Shri T. B. Vittal Rmo: I beg to With regard to salaries, the sug move:— gestions for Pay Commissions and so (i) That at the end of the motion, on, I would beg of the Central Gov the following be added, namely:— ernment to have some consideration for the scales of salaries prevailing in “ but regret that there is no the States. They are unable to pay reference for undertaking legis the same scales as given here, but lation for tiie amendment of the there is always a reaction in the Payment of Wages Act and the States when they are confronted with Workmen’s Compensation Act in the higher scales permissible in the favour of the workers.' Central Departments. (ii) That at the end of the motion, Then I come to the question of food the following be added namely:— prices. I only want to say one thing “but regret that there is no in this connection. Whenever we reference for initiating legislation have to decide this rather ticklish governing conditions of work for question, we have to take into consi workers engaged in the road deration the cost of production and transport and construction of the various items of taxation which an buildings as indicated in the agriculturist is confronted with. Then Second Five Year Plan." alone will be able to do justice to the farmers. We must give up all (iii) That at the end of the motion, hopes of having any extra production the following be added, namely:— In agriculture until and unless we "but regret that there is no can assure the farmers a fair price. reference for the appointment of JW A d& rm b y *34 £SJari T. B. Vlttal Rao] Wages Commission to go into the S^Mtjvely articulated food policy question of w age* to r industrial 40 prevent a rt*frud*s«*nce of workers.” 8UCh a situation.” (iv) That at the end of the motion, S. N. Dwivedy: I beg to ithe following be added, namely:— movt>;__ “ but regret that there is no T^at at the end o f the m otion, reference for initiating legisla the following be added, namely:— tion for welfare of the workers employed in manganese mines as (a) “ but regret that n o serious outlined in the Second Five Year notice has been taken o f the Plan.** alarming rise in prices o f food-grains and scarcity Shrimati Parvathl Kriahnan: I beg conditions prevailing in the to move:— country; That at the end of the motion, (b) that the Address fails to sug rthe following be added, namely:— gest concrete measures to “ but r^ ret that there is no remove disparities in income; reference to the nationalisation of and foreign-owned plantations in the country.” (c) that no notice has been taken of the abridgement of the Shri Tswgamanl: I beg to move:— constitutional rights of the That at the end of the motion, citizens” . -.the following be added, namely:— “ but regret that there is no Nath Pal: I beg to move:— reference to renaming the State of Madras as Tamil Nad in defer- (i) That at the end of the motion, . ence to the wishes and desires of fallowing be added, namely:— the people of the State.” “ but regret that the Address Shri M. R. Maaanl: I beg to move:— ^ e s no mention of the Govem- “ fbt’s intention to respect the That at the end of the motion, w*shes of the people of the people :the following be added, namely:— the Marathi-speaking areas o f "but regret that Government ^Igaum and Karwar to be in- eorporated in the State of : should have resorted to the use of ^ 'n b a y .” the Ordinance making power by the enactment of the Life Insur- Supakar: I beg to move:— . ance Corporation (Amendment) 'Ordinance (No. 3 of 1957) and (i) That at the end of the motion, the Industrial Disputes (Amend following be added, namely:— ment) Ordinance (No. 4 of 1957) “but regret the failure of the without waiting for the new Par Government to keep the prices o t liament to assemble.” foodstuffs within easy reach o t the Shri Frank Anthony: I beg to ro%mon man." tcnove:— That at the end of the motion, (ii) That at the end of the motion, tthe following be added, namely:— the following be added, namely: — "but regret that the Address “but regret the inability of the does not deal adequately with the Government in freeing the entire reasons for the present unsatisfac of Jammu and Kiqflimir State tory food situation or with any from aggreasions by Pakistan.” M otion ( iii) That at the end of the motion, (e) that the Address has not tbm following be added, namely;— given any clear indication about helping the growth of small- "but regret the inability of the Government to remove poverty scale cottage and small power driven industries; a n d mass unemployment in the last six years of planning.” (f) that the Address has not said anything about m»lriny Shri Mahan ty: I beg to move:— education free upto higher That at the end of the motion, the secondary stage; following be added, namely:— (g) that the Address has not “but regret— given any indication about the unemployment problem and not (a) that the Government have laid down any policy to solve it; signally failed in easing the situation and bringing food (h) that the Address has not prices down; and said anything about how to (b) that the Government have gradually increase and decrease tl'e incomes of various citizens pursued no effective policy 1j solve the Kashmir question in of the country in a manner so accordance with the will of the that difference of the lowest and people of Kashmir as expressed nighest income of the citizens by the Constituent Assembly of may not be more than the ratio Kashmir." of 1 to 10; Shri Braj Baj Sinjph: I beg 1 j (i) that the Address has not m ove:— laid down any policy about the future of Goa and how to free That at the end of the motion, the it; following be added, namely:— "but regret— Cj) that the Address has not said anything as to how the (a) that the Address has not Government will solve the laid down any definite policy Kashmir issue.” about the solution of the food problem; Shri S. A. Dange: I beg to move:— (b) that the Address has (i) That at the end of the motion, failed to enunciate a .policy of the following be added, namely:— reclaiming the fallow land whereby the millions of un “but regret that the Address employed people of India might fails to take note of the unanimous get employment by cultivating and express desire of the people the land and also increase the of Maharashtra to so reorganise production of foodgrains; the State of Bombay as to form the State of Samyukta Maharashtra (c) that the Address has not with Bombay as capital and the laid down any policy with State of Mahagujarat.” regard to the stopping of the u se of English in official busi (ii) That at the end of the motion, ness and replacing it by Hindi, the following be added, namely:— our Rashtra Bhasha, and other -State languages; “but regret that the Address fails to promise measures to im (d ) that the Address has not prove the conditions of the made any mention about the workers and employees in the removal o f imperialist statues matter of wages, trade union .from public places to museums; rights and unemployment.” * 3 7 M otion on 14 MAY 1997 A d d ress b y 0m P resid en t 23$ [Shri S. A. Dange] (iii) That at the end a t the moticm, servants and appoinuxieat of at the foil owing be added, namely:— Second Pay Commission; and "but regret that the Address (b) that the Address fails to fails to outline concrete measures make any promise of education to correct the alarming food being made free at the secon Situation.” dary stage and fixation of pay- scales of teachers in order to Shri Awasthi: I beg to move:— improve their lot. That at the end of the motion, Shri Khnahwaqt Rai: I beg to the following be added, namely: — move:— “but regret— That at the end of the motion, the (a) that no indication is given following be added, namely:— to the immediate replacement ••but regret that there is no of English by Hindi or other mention of— State languages for official pur poses; (a) the deteriorating food situation in the State of Uttar (b) that the serious problem Pradesh, especially in the of unemployment is neither Eastern Districts; and given any consideration in the Address nor any ways and (b) the reduction of the cane means are suggested to eradi price in India specially in the cate unemployment; State of Uttar Pradesh which is causing great hardship to the (c) that the Address fails to cane growers”. suggest any means for the establishment of a socialistic Shri Nanshir Bbarucha: I beg to- pattern of society; move:— (d) that the Address fails to (i) That at the end of the motion^ take note of the aspirations of the following be added, namely:— the people of Maharashtra and Gujerat regarding creation of a “but regret that the uni lingual Marathi speaking Address does not take more State; adequate note of the graver repercussions of States’ reorgani (e) that the Address fails to sation beyond referring to the mention any definite policy as ‘inevitable showing down’ of the to the manner of developing Second Five Year Plan”. cottage and small scale indus tries; (ii) That at the end of the motion,, (f) that the Address makes the following be added, namely:— no mention of the reclamation “but regret that the Address of land for achieving self-suffici does not throw into bolder relief ency in the matter of food pro the grave strain imposed by the duction and distribution of land Second Five Year Plan on the to landless people be acquiring nations’ economy, both internal it from those who possess more and foreign exchange resources, than a certain limit and general nor suggests practical ways of re-distribution of land; overcoming the difficulties”. (g ) that the Address makes no mention for improving the (iii) That at the end of the motion^, financial condition of the people the following be added, namely:— of the lower strata of the socie “but regret that the Address ty and fixation of - pay-scales does not take sufficient note a t of low-paid Central Government the grave and widespread dir—tis * 39 M otion on 14 MAY 1957 A dd ress b y th « P resid en t 340 faction felt on account of the high organisation so as to facilitate prices a t foodgrains, scarcity the subsequent absorption of conditions in some parts of the ex-service personnel in civilian ■country and the failure of the activities; Government to make the country self-sufficient in the matter of (e) contains no proposal to foodgrains”. improve and reorganise the ordnance factories on lines sug ( i v } That at the end o f the motion, gested by the Estimates Com the following be added, namely:— mittee and the Public Accounts “but regret that beyond a Committee; factual mention of the Life Insur (f) envisages no plan to ance Corpora tion (Amendment) utilise the valuable material Ordinance 1957, the Address does lying uncared-for in certain not refer to the grave injustice Ordnance and vehicle depots; done to the Life Insurance Corpo ration employees”. (g) indicates no concrete sug gestions for improving the or (v) That at the end of the motion, ganisation of Reserves and the following be added, namely:— Auxiliaries so as to provide for Adequate defence in emergen “but regret that the Address cie s; does not refer to any concrete And effective steps the Govern (h) contemplate no scheme ment propose to take for procur for making the youths defence- ing even a temporary suspension minded, by associating the o t tests of thermo-nuclear defence machinery with volun weapons, beyond the reference to tary youth organisations e.g. the ‘Standstill Agreement' in the rifle, shooting, scouting Seva Prime Minister’s statement to the dal, flying, gliding and yatching Lok Sabha in April, 1954” . clubs; Shji C, P a ta a lk ; Jbeg to move:— (i) indicates no intention to That at the end of the motion, the provide for a suitable machinery following be added, namely:— to ensure rehabilitation of ex- servicemen in civilian life; “but regret that the Address (j) contemplates no scheme to es) makes no reference to the reorganise the recruiting reorganisation and modernisa tion of the defence forces of the machinery and associating it Union; with the concerned civilian de partments and with the general (b) gives no assurance that public; "the defence organisation is pro vided with adequate equipment (k) has totally ignored the and training to protect itself vast scope for expanding the and to defend the country in a Lok Sahayak Sena, extending modern war; its activities as an inter-services organisation and providing for (e) discloses no programme Its follow-up work; for integrating the defence ser vices with socio-economic plan (1) has overlooked the n eces ning so as to ensure greater sity for reviving, in an im efficiency at lesser cost; proved form, the Army Grow More Food campaign; (d) gives no indication of any proposal to expand and upgrade (m ) has failed to take 'stock the educational and vocational of the Ordnance factories mid tra in in g courses in the defence other defence installations for Motion on 24 MAT UCT Address t>v fNtWiqit 2 4 3 (Shri 17. C. FatnafltJ purposes of specialised training litation policy of the Govern for technicians; ment”. (n) gives no indication of (iv) That at the end of the motion, modernising the military intel the following be added, namely:— ligence services and co-ordinat ing them with their civilian “but regret that the Address counterparts so as to counteract has not referred to the failure o t sabotage, infiltration and other the Government in finding a fair fifth-column activities, inside and just solution to the language the country, and to get neces problem of Punjab”. sary information from outside; Shri B. C. Kamble: I beg to move:— (o) has failed to realise the (i) That at the end of the motion, necessity for rationalising the the following be added, namely:— cadre of Junior Commissioned Officers; “but regret to note that the Government have failed to note in (p) does not contemplate re the Address and respect the ‘will’ organisation of the M.E.S. and of the electorate of the- Marathi E.M.E. so as to undertake all speaking people which is demons military works and, wherever trated in the recent general elec possible, civilian works analog tions and also in the recent ous to military activities; and Bombay Municipal Corporation elections on the issue of establish (q) has totally failed to create ment of Samyukta Maharashtra the atmosphere necessary for and to take immediate steps for national defence in emergencies the establishment of Samyukta ion-building activities Maharashtra” . eace-time.” (ii) That at the end of the motion, »nn vajpayee: I beg to move:— the following be added, namely:— (i) That at the end of the motion, “but regret to note that the the following be added, namely:— Government have completely neglected to take into considera "but regret that the Address tion the situation arising out of has not referred to the mounting the mass conversion to Buddhist threat of Pakistan to the security Faith by the former Scheduled and integrity of India, including Castes in different parts o f our Jammu and Kashmir”. country and give new Buddhists the protection and the educational, (ii) That at the end of the motion, economic and other facilities, the following be added, namely:— they rightfully deserve”. “but regret that the Address does not make any reference to (iii) That at the end of the motion the following be added, namely:— the growing totalitarian trends in Jammu and Kashmir which have •Taut regret that Government so glaringly manifested them have not so far solved the problem selves in the conduct of elections of poverty of the Bharatiy people, there” . nor Government have suggested any such future plan for the (iii) That at the end of the motion, eradication of poverty”. the following be added, namely:— (iv) That at the end of the motion, “but regret that the Address the following be added, namely:— does not make any reference to 'the growing disdbntent among the "but regret that the Address displaced people about the rehabi only exhibits Osvsnantnfi lack MotMm on 14 M A T 1957 A ddress by the President 2441. of definite policy on major pro- It was contended here that all these b)*m * &»cine our country namely things should have been effected by th*t of Kashmir, Goa, unemploy legislation or executive action. I ment and scarcity of food”. submit that is not the only remedy by which such maladies could be , Mr. Chairman: All these amend- remedied. I am of the opinion that ft taaants are before the House. strong public opinion is needed to Shri Kafhubir Sahai (Budaun): effect all these things. I am one of Mr. Chairman, Sir, I take this oppor those who think that a strong public • tunity to offer my humble thanks to opinion in the country is yet needed. the President for his very mild, sober That strong opinion has nob been and well-balanced Address that he created so far. If there had been a was pleased to deliver on the 33th strong public opinion, my submission May to the Members of both the is that the pace of progress of the Houses of Parliament. That Address first Five Year Plan would have been was delivered in very moderate tones greater. but, at the same time, he made I would not p ooh -p ooh or deprecate • pointed reference to some of our the progress that has so far been short-comings. I was astonished at made, but what I say is, greater the speech of the hon. Leader of the progress should have been made. The Opposition today when he tried to country realises that we are in the give to this House a picture that the second year of the second Five Year Address of the President "■fra.s a Plan. That is running smoothly, but misrepresentation of facts. Far from my contention is that progress should it. The President made, as 1 sub have been greater. The cause of less mitted, pointed reference to our progress is that public opinion is not short-comings, and in the course of with us, I doubt if plan-mindedness what I am going to say I will just has been created all over the country, point out those short-comings. Despite the very comprehensiveness of the Plan itself, it has not He referred to the economic situa been brought home to every one in < tion in the country, and he said it the country. was a matter of great concern. The President is the President of the Take the case of urban areas. Republic. He has to speak with a Where is that enthusiasm for running very great sense of resonsibility. the Five Year Plan? It is not so bad as people think it to be. But we have Mr. Chairman: Instead of referring not tried to create public opinion for to the President, it would be better it. Now, what is the cause for this if the reference is to the Address. lack of public opinion? Shri Raghubir Sahai: In that An Hon. Member: Want of Address it was pointed out that the publicity. Central Budget was a deficit one and that the State budgets were also in Shri Raghnbir Sahai: There are deficit. Some remedies were also real causes that ought to be consider pointed out in the Address; for ed. They were not able to create instance, that effective economies public opinion, because, there is still should be made; there should be corruption in the services; there is planned restriction of certain imports; still inefficiency in the administration; the export, trade should be expanded there is still delay in the execution of and there should be increasing self- works and carrying out of orders. suffciency in industry as well as In There is also a sense of insecurity agriculture; and savings should be in the minds of the people, both utilised for production and there urban as well as rural. Until and should^ be an abandonment of un unless we tackle those problems, productive and anti-social habits of despite the good wishes and inten Warding and speculation. Now, they tions of the Government, we may were remedies that were suggested; not be able to achieve the end -MS M otion on 14 MAY 1997 Address by theP rm id tn t 3 4 6 [Shri Raghubir Sahai] we have in view. I know and Again, production of foodgrains can •3 realise that the Government is only increase when we place all the ■conscious of every one o f these evils. necessaiy material for raising food But what I wish to point out is that grains in the hands of the cultivator. .more attention should be paid to the I was going through the report sub -eradication of these evils. mitted by some of our friends who had gone to China. They point out Sir, in the President’s Address that it was an equitable distribution 'reference has been made to the food of fertilisers, good seed, good imple situation in the country. Well, we ments, etc., that were responsible for might paint it in any manner we like. raising the production of foodgrains The hon. Leader of the Opposition in that country. We should see that said that the attention of the Govern in every area where foodgrains are ment can only be drawn when raised, fer:ilisers in requisite quanti dUmocrats die on the streets. Maybe, ties, good seed, good implements, etc., in his opinion, it may be so, but the are made available to the cultivators. food situation is really such as to Then, we should give all possible engage the attention of every facilities for the agriculturists to sink responsible person in this country. their own tube-wells or irrigation "We know that a good deal of attention wells. The difficulty is, money is ndt has been paid to the problem of with them. Then, there is shortage raising the production of foodgrains of cement and bricks. Well, they in the country, but we find that the cannot sink wells without all these prices do not show a tendency of requisites. We should see that all falling, and so long as the prices these essential articles are placed in remain what they are, they are bound their hands and the difficulties in the to produce discontent in the people. way of execution of these projects Think of the condition of an ordinary removed. person or a middle-class person purchasing wheat at the rate of two Then there is another point. Where •eeers and eight chatanks per rupee. is the requisite personnel that should This is a horrible state of affairs. The be available to these cultivators? prices should fall down to a reason- There is a limited community project -able extent. staff and a limited N.E.S. staff, so that every cultivator cannot take the 16 hrs. fullest benefit out of them. So, I It brings us to the conclusion that would invite the attention of the if prices should fall, production should Government to this matter and ■increase. So, what is at the root of request that they should particularly this? Where is the obstruction? see to it that all these facilities are "Which is the bottle-neck? I say, in placed at the disposal of the culti my humble opinion, production is not vators. increasing, because many of our schemes of irrigation that were In the address, I find that a refer sanctioned three years back in the ence has been made that the com ■Community Project areas have not munity development blocks have made been carried out. I know of such great strides. I congratulate all those instances in the Community Project who are responsible for the great u»rea of Usawan in my State. I strides, but I expected greater strides. presume there may be other instances My complaint is that greater strides -elsewhere in the country as well. have not been made. I say. that Projects of bunds, projects Of sinking greater strides have not been made 'wells, tube-wells, etc., sanctioned long because of the lack of imagination on -ago and for which money had been the part of many of those who are in allotted, have not been executed. charge of those blocks. They did not "Why? They should be executed with know where to start and where to dthe least delay. end; they did not know bow to M otion on M A Y 1097 A d d rest by the President 34$ a llocate priorities. Where it was a Let us now see the address delivered question of tackling the needs of in March, 1957. There we find the irrigation first or talcing up the w ords, improvement of communications first, they began at the wrong end and “. . .the unhappy colonial out started more schools. I flo not want post o f the Portuguese G overn that those who are in charge of the ment, where every kind of liberty com m unity development or N.E.S. is suppressed and economic b lock s should lack imagination. Every stagnation prevails. It is the firm b lock , whether community project or policy of my Government that N.E.S., has got its different problems. Goa should become free from Every problem should be studied first colonial domination and should and then regular work should be share in the freedom of the rest B'arted. of India.” In the light of these utlerances, it is I wish that, as is contemplated in really surprising that in this addrest;, the second Five Year Plan, the com there is no mention whatever of Goa. munity development blocks should It is worthwhile remembering that spread all over the country covering because the Indian Government had every village, but there should not be taken up a cer'ain attitude about Goa, lack of imagination on the part of certain incidents have taken place. those who run them. For the last two years I was in a Goan prison. I have not got a complete Shri Goray (Poona): I am grateful picture of wha: happened outside, for the opportunity that I am getting but when I came out and tried to to address this House for the first study what had happened, I found time. But I am not happy to find that that during these two years, not only in the Presidential Address, there is ;he Goans, but Indians from all parts no mention of the problem of Goa. I of this country had made the highest want to refresh the memory of this sacrifices, so that Goa might be House by referring to the Presidential liberated. It is one thing to fight addresses in the years, 1955, 1956 and under the imperialism of the Bri'ish even the address delivered a couple brand, but it is altogether a different of months back, in March, 1957. In thing to wage a struggle of freedom each of these addresses, we find that under a rule like that of the the President has mentioned the Portuguese. Perhaps it is known here problem of Goa in unequivocal terms. that even to unfurl a plan of indepen dence in Goa exposes you to such If you turn to the Presidential repression that hundreds of Goans Address delivered in 1955, you will have been sentenced to terms ranging find that he had said: from 10 to 20 years for this small oflcnce. Not only that; you are “My Government hope that the brutally beaten. In addi'ion, when problem of Goa will be solved the sentence is finished, your civic peacefully.” rights are taken away from you for 10 to 15 years. That means a young That hope was belied and a very man, after spending 20 years in a grim struggle was launched by the Goan prison, will almost have no Goans themselves. That struggle opportunity to live as a free citizen found its reflection in the Presidential again. Address of 1956. There you find that these s'rong words were used: Fortunately for us, in this House on the Congress benches, there is a brave "The Portuguese Government lady who dared the Portuguese h ave made no response and have authorities and exposed herself to persisted in their methods of bullets. We eongratula'e her, but at colonialism, suppression and the same time, we must remember that te r r o r." these are the sacrifices which our *49 M otion on 14 MAY 1957 Address by th e President 230 [Shri Goray] citizens have made. What was our that there are only three courses open attitude? At that time, w e found so fa r as relations between India and that the Government encouraged such Goa are concerned. O ne Is, he says, let things. They were happy and proud the Indian nation consider us as a g ood that Goan and Indian citizens were neighbour and behave with us as a sacrificing everything for the libera good neighbour. The other is, he says, tion of Goa. As late as March, 1957, you go to war with us. He has openly w e find the President saying that Goa said that. He said that we know v e ry must become part and parcel of India. well that if India were to declare w a r But now af'er two months, we find against us we have no chance of sur suddenly that all mention of Goa is vival. But still, remembering the great dropped. I am really surprised and saints of our country and the great I am very sorry about it. What will l croes of our country we shall fight the Goan people think? Those who to the last man. Or, he says, there is a are in prison and those who arc out third course, and that is you complete side are keenly wa'ching what is ly neglect us; you just think that w e happening in the Indian territory. If do not exist at all. These three cours you say a word of encouragement, es, Sir, he has suggested and^ I sup they derive immense pride from ff. pose we have not given sufficient They call themselves Indians. They thought to it. We have rejected all o f say, we want to merge ourselves with them. Wc have a sort of a cavalier India and share 'he happiness and policy towards this question of Goa. sorrows of our Indian brethren. But Wc say that this is our country; this here, when we meet in this Parliament,, is our territory. The President o f the w e find that no mention whatever is Congress said that so long as the being made of their sacrifices and of Portuguese are there we will consider their unflinching struggle for freedom. this as a continuous aggression. N ow Sir, does it mean that we have chang if this is a continuous aggression, I ed our policy towards Goa? One of my do not know how you can neglect to friends, an hon. Member from Mysore, take note of it and just drop all refer just now said that we have been very ences to it. Therefore, I want to draw eminently successful in our foreign the attention of this House that we policy. I admit that w e have been must not leave the Goans in the lurch. very successful so far as other countries were concerned; but when it An Hon. Member: What should we fame to us, whether it was the ques do? tion of solving the problem of Kash Shri Goray: There are about three mir, or settling our differences with hundred prisoners still rotting in Goan Ceylon, or of solving the problem of jails, including about a dozen women Goa, I think not even the hon. Mem who have been sentenced to twenty ber from Mysore will say that we years’ of imprisonment. have been successful. The lacuna is Now, Sir, the question is w hat very obvious and we find that nearer should we do? I say: act as any Gov our home we come, the less success ernment will act under such circum ful we are. stances. We have got the arm y; w e have got all the resources. Let us try to understand what the Portuguese Government is. I do not Acharya Kripalani (Sitamarhi): know, Sir, how many hon. Members But no guts! care to read the utterances of their Shri Goray: If you think that this Prime Minister Dr. Salazaar. But territory is yours, and the Portuguese when I was in Goa 1 had the oppor are there as aggressors, well, it is the tunity of studying his speeches and I duty of every Government to repel must say that that he has been very the aggressors. Supposing that you do frank in his utterances. He has left no not want to do that: it you do not room for any doubts. He has told us want to take the extreme step, if you M otion on 14 MAY 195? A d d ress by the President think that the world forces are not in cratic House; please look at our ques your favour, if you think that it will tion more sympathetically. Do not be too hazardous, if you have come consider that this is only a bogey to the"'conclusion that for the next raised by the communists or socialists ■five or ten years you are not going to or by any other party because it is do anything, then I say, be bold anti-national, but it is a genuine enough and tell the Goan people that demand of the people. The people we are not going to do anything for hive shown their will. They have you; if you want to fight for your given their verdict and as a demo freedom, do it on your own strength: cratic organisation and as the repre do not expect anything from us. sentatives of the people you should be willing to be guided by their ver Acharya Kripalani: They should dict. have known it by this time. Shri Mahendra Pratap (Mathura): Shri Goray: That will be a bold Sir, I thought I was going to speax and frank policy. tomorrow. I was just writing you a slip. There are very few persons to Having dealt with this question, I hear me speak. But as you have kind would like to deal with the problem ly called me, I shall do my duty. which was mentioned by my hon. friend Shri Dange. I would only may begin by saying generally plead before this House that the peo that I am very sorry to see that the ple of Maharashtra and Bombay have whole structure of the Government is democratically expressed their wish in the same which the British made for a most definite and decisive manner. themselves and not for the country Sir, I would plead with this House: do find the whole Government is run just not drive three hundred and a half cn the lines that it was run under the crores of people, your brother citizens British. We see the same collector, the of India into an impossible position. same bad a sahib the same captian the The Maharashtrian people are not ask same policeman and the same th a n e- ing anything which you have not dar, who yesterday were giving thra given to other people. Do not say that shings to our Congress brethren. To they have been the victims of lingual- day, of course, they salute congress ism. If you look at the new map of men but they continue to thrash the India you will find that the new map people all the same. So, I say that this of India is based on nothing else but system of Government should be language. Only two provinces have overhauled. been left out: that is Gujerat and Maharashtra, and if they ask that they I have seen some revolutions should be given what has been given abroad. I was that day at Budapest to oth ers, I would plead with all the when the revolution of 1918 broke Members of this House, whether they out. I saw with my own eyes people belong to the Opposition or to the being killed and I had to run from the Government benches, “Be large-heart place where firing was taking place. I ed; be ready to give to Maharashtra was in Munich when the revolution in and to Gujerat what you have given Germany broke out. I came down to to yourself.” Do not have linguistic the hotel porter and asked him, “What provinces for every other linguistic is it?” He said, “ It is only the little group and when it comes to Gujerat boys doing some mischief, you go and and Maharashtra impose a bilingual sleep”. But the next day what did I State on them. see? All the kings had run away, the whole g overn m en t was changed, and it Sir, I do not want to hold out any was a red revolutionary government. threats. That is not the way I speak. I Those things I have seen. I have seen "would not say that I am going to do things in Moscow; I was in Orel; 1 this or going to do that. But I will went, through the fighting lines. X say in this House, which is a demo have seen something of revolution*. *53 M otion o n 14 MAY 1W7 A d d ress k y thn President z$& [Shri Mahendra Prstap] 1 w as for five years in all China. And harassment. Now we are harassed most of my friends there who were everywhere. Take octroi. What Is itT then only small people are today in Poor people come into the town and the government. I had the occasion to they must pay some tax. It is harass- > speak from the same platform as ment. We go on the road, and w e see Madame Sun Yat Sen in 1925. I there are some barricades here and mean to say this is only a preface that there. Trucks are stopped and taxed. I know a bit of revolutions. They I mean to say there is harassment at overhauled the whole machinery. every step, and then they tell us That is the point. But here our Gov “this is your National Government ernment just took over the govern I say “this is you r Government* ment and is acting as the agent of not National Government at all”. London. This, 1 think, is ts the whole trouble. So I say, Sir, this system should be changed. The Government should be Shri Tyagi (Dehra Dun): That is overhauled from top to botton. uncharitable. An Hon. Member: How? Shri Mahendra Pratap: I have said in my amendment that in the Address Shri Mahendra Pratap: Yes, it is a of our hon. President no definite pro good question, I will answer it. I mise is made to better the condition say that every village and every town, of the people. It should have been should have home rule. said in so many words: we would do Now, there are people in our Con this, etc. I heard a great deal of “my gress creed who say that there should Government, m y Government". He did be no caste system. But there a r e not even say, “your Government”. 1 castes. What to do? These great was very much astonished. I say this gentlemen who speak against castes,, with all respect to the President and they carry names which denote castes. with all respect to our Congress bre 1 am told that it is the etiquette of the thren: I say that four-anna cap sits House that we cannot name someone. under the canopy of two thousand So I do not name anybody. I only say rupees I want a change. suppose there is a gentleman whose An Hon. Member: Four thousand name is Pandit Lakshman Maitra o r rupees. something. Now, you see, “Pandit’ shows that he is a Brahmin; ‘Laksh Mr. Chairman: Order, order, the man’ shows that he is a Hindu; and hon. Member should not get inspira ‘Maitra' shows that he must be a Ben tion from anywhere. gali. So in our names there is caste, Shri Mahendra Pratap: The second there is religion, there is province. So th in g is they are taxing and taxing I think it is better let these castes be th e people. Just as some cruel people organised. My friend there asked cu t the hair of the sheep they are “How?” This is my view: let thes**- ta xin g the people, and the people ask, castes be organised from Brahmin to “ Is it our government or the govern bhangi and bhangi to Brahmin. I may m en t o f those who tax us?” They tax tell you, Sir, that even among the th e people and they divide th e m on ey Sikhs there are castes. I happened am ong themselves. And this they call to be born among the Jats, and I know nationalisation. I say, Sir, this Is *Gor- we are related only to Jat Sikhs. S o emmjentisation’. And this ‘govem - I know that the Sikhs have also cast- ' xnenti*ation' is in the interests of the es which many people do n o t kn ow . government servants —with all respect I was saying once to—again, I shall to those who are drawing high not mentiqn the name—but I was tell *»y and high salary and who ing some Ministers that there are Raj are conducting the administration. puts and there are Jats Martial races. I sty this system - should be And then he said, “the Sikhs?** I —M, duwud,- ■' TBbera should -lie" no “You don’t know then about the M o tio n Sikhs". Am ong Die Sikhs there are Turkey and Afghanistan, helped us in to u r important castes, the Khatri who our freedom movement. After the is the Brahmin o t the Sikhs—the First World War, I was a guest of the Xhatri gave us ten Gurus— , then, the Soviet Government. I met Comrade Jets who are the Kahatriyas of the Lenin and comrade Trotsky. They Sikhs; then the Aroras who are the were very helpful after the Second Vaisyas of the Sikhs; and the Ahlu- World War. Shri Subash Chandaa walias who are a kind of Jats. So I Bose walked in my footsteps. I left said, 4*You don’t know about Sikhs”. India in 1914; I went to Germany; I And among Muslims also there are did this, I did that. Exactly the same, castes. There are Syed and Quereshis Shri Subash Chandra Bose did 26 —I know many of these names— and years later, that is in 1940. He went to the Afghans and Tughlaks. There are Germany; he went to Japan. I came to so many castes. So I mean to say that Afghanistan. That is the only differ it will be according to our culture, ence. I was the First President of the according to things as they are, if we First Provisional Government of India organise every caste or every profes at Kabul. He was the Second Presi sion in every village and town, and let dent of the Second Provisional Gov their leaders form the village govern ernment of India at Singapore. ment and the town government. Do Mr. Chairman: The hon. Member you follow me? will appreciate that today we are dis Mr. Chairman: I must remind the cussing the Address of the President hon. Member that it is also an eti of the Republic of India who is there quette of this House that the Mem today. ber who is speaking m ust address the Shri Mahendra Pratap: I am a little Chair and not indulge in private con deaf. My age has made me deaf. versation. Mr. Chairman: I had appealed to Shri Msheadra Pratep: But this the hon. Member to confine himsel gentleman here asked me the ques snore to the Address that has been tion. Now I will address only the presented to the House. ■Chair. Here is a village, for instance, Shri Mahendra Pratap: I onl; We do not recognise any party. We meant that it should also have been only recognise their castes. Let the mentioned that Japan, Germany Brahmins be organised, let the Raj and Italy helped us in the Second puts be organised, let the jats or what World War. If there was no Subash ever other castes there are be organis Chandra Bose, I think we would not ed. Their leaders should form the have got this Independence. "Government of the village and the town. If somebody has any other Coming to the third point,...... proposal, I have no objection. But, Mr. Chairman: Is it the last? the rule of the collector and the Shri Mahendra Pratap: Yes, I was captain, the rule of the thanedar and hearing many speeches about many the Tahsildar should end. This is proposals, about military, diplomacy what I mean. and all that. I say, unless and until I have referred to three things here. we have a world federation, a federa I have said here that Germany, Tur ted world Government, there can be key arid Afghanistan helped us during no peace on earth. I wish that our the First World War and that it should Government adopts my plan of world be mentioned. Our Mahatma Gandhi federation as its creed. Just as Soviet -was a great Mahatma and what he did, Russia has its creed of Karl Marx and I know. I know how the British were communism, just as the Anglo-saxons helpful to Mahatma Gandhi’s move- t have t )t the creed of democracy and ment because they were afraid more parliamentarian ism, I wish that our o t us who sat in Kabul and Moscow. Government adopts my creed of world “That is another filing. I only want to federation, with unity of religions and M y that these countries, Germany, the economy of a joint family. Our M otion oh 14 MAY *##7 Address President *58 [Shri Mahendra Pratap] President should declare: from to and Afghanistan during the First morrow every village becomes a joint World War /and later from family and ev e r y city will be con Soviet Russia and from Japan sidered a joint family. OT ^t*T f*T5T Germany and Italy during the Second World War; and VT «IiT # m i (c) that the Address fails to # f f sftr m ^ ^ *rt ^fte ^ mention that the only remedy 7ST MX 'PHT 5fT^ I JKTT* of all the ills is World Federa tion.” *pr | fo $»f ^ 5 ftp f^Rnf trap tri^'V Shri M. Khuda Bakih (Murshi- dabad): Mr. Chairman, I join my ^arr * ^ wrtt'Y friends in offering my humble thanks **rrr h stVt *T«nrt g-g'Y swrar to the President for the excellent Ad 5 *TTfV Ttfsrer f iftr Tiprsrr^ h dress that he has made to Members of Parliament. The Address was ex BT’T'Tr f fa ^?rr *flr *f * m cellent, informative and realistic. I v\ r nrr?^ heard some one say that the Address was misleading. I think that the Ad t m f*r*m : sptt i dress showed commendable candour Mr. Chairman: Order, order; now when it said: the hon. Member should finish. “The economic situation, more Shri Mahendra Pratap: Finished. particularly in related to the Plan, Mr. Chairman: The hon. Member confronts us with factors which, referred to a certain amendment. He while they do not warrant grave has not given us the number of that apprehensions, are matters of seri amendment, when hon. Members were ous concern asked to give a list of the amendments that they wished to move. Anyhow, I It is also said that the Union and can allow that even now if he gives the State Government are having the number of the amendment that deficits in their budgets and that he wishes to move. owing to many factors, there are ap prehensions that we may not be able Shri Mahendra Pratap: The number to go ahead with our Plan. Though of the amendment is 53. the Address has been optimistic and Mr. Chairman: Amendment No. 53 has certainly not tried to lower down would also be considered as having the targets, it has also expressed ap been moved. prehension. That, I think, is certainly Amendment moved: not misleading the House or the country. It is said that we do not want That at the end of the motion, the to lower the targets and that the best following be added, namely:— interests of the country will not be “but regret— served by lowering the targets, or (a) that no definite promise is halting development. Our endeavour made to better the condition of has to be to renew our efforts to the people, to stop increasing bridge the gap and collect all the taxes, to give swaraj to every funds that would be necessary. It is villagei and town, to add a factory, said that there are factors both inter a field a garden and a dairy to nal and external—I believe they may every village; be external factors—and that there may be a diminution of the expected (b) that no mention was foreign aid. Things are not as they made of aid to our freedom were when these Plans were framed. movement received from Gov World conditions have undergone & ernments of Germany, Turkey change—in many places, a rapid 3 5 9 M otion on 14 M A Y 1957 Address by the President z6o change—which has affected the Plan do that, we have to g o through the finances. rent legislations obtaining in the diff Referring to food, the President erent parts ot the country and find a aid that while food production has out whether the return assured to increased, certain places in the coun the private sector, who would invest try have been affected by floods and in the building trade, would be attrac Other calamities and there are short tive enough, whether there are deter ages. I must confess fo a feeling of rents for private capital coming into disappointment, and I dare say that that particular field of investment in that feeling is shared by all hon. the different rent control Acts obtain Members coming from West Bengal, ing in the different States of our that the President, while he mention country. ed the names of two other States, did Our President has said that our re not mention the nam e o f m y S'..: lations with foreign countries continue West Bengal where thtj.e xs to be friendly. I would have said in shortage of food and where the food spite of the provocations offered by situation is really distressing. Bengal some of our friends, especially by has suffered vastly by floods and our some of our neighbours. During ques Prime Minister undertook a strenuous tion hour, what I tried to elicit from tour by helicopter to inspect the flood the Prime Minister—I think I was not affected areas. Things were bad enough able to express myself fully, or he then, but, the situation has become did not quite catch what I wanted to infinitely worse since because the know—was that a committee of enquiry subsequent crops have also failed. has been instituted by the Govern Food is being rushed to Bengal, I ment of Pakistan. What we read in dare say, and the Union Government the newspapers was that a magisterial and the State Government will do all enquiry has been ordered. A magis in their power to meet the shortages, terial enquiry is a thing entirely and probably there will not be the different from a high level committee concern that we are .feeling now, of enquiry, which the Prime Minister eventually. said, has been ordered by the Govern But what is more important is that ment of Pakistan. along with the food shortage, there is What I apprehended, and my appre a grave fodder shortage. Areas affected hensions are still there, was that the by floods have lost all they had, and Government of Pakistan might have in order to save their cattle, the culti ordered the magisterial enquiry sub vators had to fall upon whatever Ihuy sequent to the high level committee of could lay their hands on, such as the enquiry set up by them, in order to tops of sugarcane etc., and they have forestall the enquiry of the high level somehow kept their cattle fed. This committee, because a magisterial en has also resulted, if I may say so, in quiry is necessarily a court enquiry, a problem of some magnitude, in thnt and if a matter is referred to a magis the cultivators, having had to cu.. uJ trate for enquiry, it can be claimed to the tops of sugarcane for feeding sub judice; and if the matter is sub their cattle, exposed their cane to a pest known as the ‘Stem-Borer’. Wide ju d ice, the other high level committee which may have been appointed by areas have been affected, with the result that the recovery of sugar has the Government of Pakistan cannot function. That was my apprechension gone down to as low as eight per cent. And when the Prime Minister replies Our President has also told us that to the debate, he may condescend to his Government have initiated mea give this House fuller information on sures to relieve housing shortages and the point, because it affects not only promote housing standards. I can the House but the entire country. The only say that in order to achieve what entire country is pained to read the we want to, we must also be able to news and is certainly anxious to know attract the private sector. 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