1926 CONGRESSION A.L RECORD-HOUSE 9209 • and administrators are hereby declared to be discharged and released HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES from all liabilities under such obligation. Mr. HEFLIN. Mr. President, this bill passed the House TUESDAY, , 19~6 some time ago, and has been on the calendar here. I was un­ The House met at 12 o'clock noon. able to be present last night when the calendar was consid­ The Chaplain, Rev. James Shera Montgomery, D. D., offered ered. The Secretary of War recommends the passage of this the following prayer : bill as amended. It simply relieves the bondsmen who agreed to clear up Taylor Aviation Field down there. While they did Blessed be the name of our heavenly Father, whose goodness not cut all the shrubbery that they agreed to cut that was on never faileth. Do Thou be everywhere as an abiding power the field, the Secretary of, War bas now approved the bill, and and influence shaping tbe destinies of men and nations. We say that the job was a little bigger than they thought it was wait upon Thee, 0 Lord, that our minds and hearts may be when they agreed to do it for a certain amount, and he is in harmony with Thy holy will. Give us a larger outlook upon willing for them to be relieved under the bond. life, and may the needs and ideals of a better world inspire Mr. 1\lcKELLAR. How much will it cost? us to noble and unselfish service. With patience and fortitude Mr. HEFLIN. It will cost nothing. may we fulfill the obligations which the citizens of the land l\.tr. McKELLAR. It must have cost something. have placed upon us. Out of Thine abundance bestow bless­ -. Mr. HEFLIN. They have alTeady done the work. ings of peace and happiness upon all. Through Christ. Amen. The VICE PRESIDENT. Is there objection to the present The Journal of the proceedings of yesterday was read and con 'deration of the bill? approved. There being no objection, the Senate, as in Committee of the MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE Whole, proceeded to consider the bill. A message from the Senate, by Mr. Craven, one of its The bill was reported to the Senate without amendment, clerks, announced that the Senate had passed with amendments ordered to a third reading, read the third time, and passed. bills of the following titles, in which the concunence of the EXECUTIVE SESSIO!'i House of Representatives was requested : Mr. CURTIS. I move that the Senate proceed to the con­ H. R. 292. An act entitled "An act to authorize the Secretary sideration of executive business. of Agriculture to acquire and maintain dams in the Minnesota The motion was agreed to, and the Senate proceeded to the National Fotest needed for the proper administration of the con. ideration of executi-ve business. After three minutes spent Government land and timber " ; in executive session the doors were reopened. H. R. 4547. An act to establish a department of economics, RECESS government, and history at the United States Military Academy, at West Point, N. Y., and to amend chapter 174 of the act of Mr. CURTIS. I move that the Senate take a recess until 12 Congress of April 19, 1910, entitled "An act making appro­ o'clock to-morrow. priations for the support of the Military Academy for the fiscal The motion was agreed to; and (at 4 o'clock and 42 minutes year ending June 30, 1911, and for other purposes"; p. m.) the Senate took a recess until to-morrow, Wednesday, H. R. 8185. An act to amend sections 1, 5, 6, 8, and 18 of 1\Iay ~. 1926, at 12 o'clock meridian. an act approved June 4, 1920, entitled "An act to provide for the allotments of lands of the Crow Tribe, for the distribu­ NO~HNATIONS tion of tribal funds, and for other purposes " ; Executive nominations received by the Senate Ma.y 11 (legisla· H. R. 8313. An act entitled "An act to allot living children tive day of ), 1926 on the Crow Reservation, Mont."; An "An PROMOTIONS IN THE NAVY H. R. 9037. act entitled act validating certain appli­ cations for and entries of public lands, and for other pur­ MARINE CORPS poses"; and Capt. Henry L. Larsen to be a major in the Marine Corps H. R.10860. An act entitled "An act to authorize the Sec­ from the 24th Q.ay of February, 1926. retary of Commerce to dispose of certain lighthouse reserva­ First Lieut. Frederick M. Howard to be a captain in the tions and to increase the efficiency of the Lighthouse Service, Marine Corps from the 14th day of September, 1925. . and for other purposes." Second Lieut. William H. Doyle to be a first lieutenant in the The message also announced that the Senate had passed Marine Corps from the 19th day of January, 1926. without amend.Ip.ent bills and resolutions of the following titles: The following-named midshipmen to be second lieutenants in H. R. 306. An act to amend the second section of the act en­ the Marine Corps from the 4th day of June, 1926: titled "An act to pension the survivors of certain Indian wars Francis J. McQuillen. Mortimer S. Crawford. from January 1, 1859, to January, 1891, inclusive, and for other Edward W. Snedeker. Benjamin F. Kaiser, jr. purposes," approved 1\larch 4, 1917, as amended; Kenneth W. Benner. Frank P. Pyzick. H. R.1243. An act for the relief of J. H. Toulouse; Kenneth H. Cornell. Thomas B. Jordan. H. R. 1540. An act for the relief of Luther H. Phipps; John S. E. Young, jr. Elmer H. Salzman. H. R. 1669. An act for the relief of Neffs' Bank, of Mc­ Richard S. Burr. Thomas A. Wornham. Bride, Mich. ; Lofton R. Henderson. Earle S. Davis. H. R.1731. An act for the relief of John W. King; and Chester B. Graham. Charles G. Wadbrook. H. R.1897. An act for the relief of the heirs of the late Arthur H. Butler. Con D. Silard. Louis F. Meissner. Earl J. Ashton. Joseph L. Wolfe. H. R. 2011. An act for the relief of William D. l\fcKeefrey; Hartnoll J. Withers. Ward E. Dickey. H. R. 2680. An act for the relief of the estate of Charles l\1. Russell N. Jordahl. Roy M. Gulick. Underwood; Nels H. Nelson. H. R. 2933. An act for the relief of H. R. Butcher ; H. R. 3025. An act granting a patent to certain land to Ben­ UNITED STATES CoAsT GuARD jamin A. J. Funnemark; Lieut. (Junior Grade) (Temporary Lieut.) Norman R. H. R. 3659. An act for the relief of the Custer Electric Light, Stiles to be a lieutenant in the Coast Guard of the United Heat & Power Co., of Custer, S. Dak.; States, to rank as such from December 22, 1925, in place of H. R. 3745. An act to amend section 96, chapter 5, of the act Lieut. Frederick A. Zeusler, promoted. This officer has served of Congress of March 3, 1911, entitled "The Judicial Code"; the required time in his present grade and has passed the H. R. 3990. An act for the erection of a monument upon the necessary examination for promotion. Revolutionary battle field of White Plains, State of New York; H. R. 4681. An act providing ior the issuance of patent to CONFIR~IATIONS the Boyle Commission Co. for block No. 223, town site of Hey­ burn, Idaho; Executive no-minations confirmed by the Senate May 11 (leg-is­ H. R. 5006. An act to detach Hickman County from the Nash­ lative day of May 10), 1926 ville division of the middle judicial district of the State of UNITED STATES ATTORNEY Tennessee and attach the same to the Columbia division of the Olaf Eidem, to be United States attorney, district of South middle judicial district of said State ; Dakota. H. R. 5673. An act authorizing the Secretary of the Interior POSTMASTER to issue letters patent to George K. Hughes; H. R. 5710. An act extending the provisions of section 2455 CALIFORNIA of the United States Revised Statutes to ceded lands of the Harold J. 1\fcCuny, Sacramento. Fort Hall Indian Reservation; LXVII-580 9210 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE ~{AY 11 H. R. 5726. An act for the relief of Jane Coates, widow of S. 3545. An act to amend an act entitled "An act to pro­ Leonard R. Coates; vide compensation for employees of the United States suf­ H. R. 6239. An act to authorize acting registers of United fering injuries while in the performance of their duties, and States land offices to administer oaths at any time in public­ for other purposes," approved September 7, 1916, and acts in land matters; amendment thereof; H. R. 8306. An act to authorize the coinage of 50-cent pieces S. 3555. An act for the relief of the Rochester Merchandise in commemoration of the heroism of the fathers and mothers Co.; who traversed the Oregon Trail to the far We t with great S. 3571. .An act for the relief of Ada Brown-Hopkins ; hardship, daring, and loss of life, which not only resulted in S. 3613. An act authorizing an appropriation for a monu­ adding new States to the Union but earned a well-deserved and ment for Quannah Parker, late chief of the Comanche imperishable fame for the pioneers ; to honor the 20,000 dead Indians; that lie buried in unknown graves along 2,000 miles of that S. 3630. An act to permit the United States to be made a great highway of history; to rescue the various important party defendant in certain cases; points along the old trail from oblivion; and ~o commemorate S. 3715. An act for the relief of the Harrisburg Real Estate by suitable monuments, memorial or otherwise, the tragic Co., of Harrisburg, Pa.; events associated with that emigration-erecting them either S. 3738. An act to amend an act entitled "An act authorizing along the trail itself or el ewhere, in localities appropriate for the Secretary of the Treasury to sell the United States marine the purpose, including the city of Wa hington; hospital re ervation and improvements thereon at Detroit, H. R. 8534. An act to amend an act entitled "An act to Mi<:h.., and to acquire a suitable site in the same locality and to authorize the purchase by the city of McMinnville, Oreg., of erect thereon a modern hospital for the treatment of the bene· certain lands formerly embraced in the grant to the Oregon & ficiaries of the. United States Public Health Service, and for California Railroad Co. and revested in the United States by other purposes, ' approved June 7, 1924; the act approved June 9, 1916," approved February 25, 1919 S. 3768. An act authorizing the construction of dam or dams ( 40 Stat. p. 1153) ; in Neches River, Tex. ; H. R. 9351. An act extending the period of time for homestead S. 3844. An act to amend tbe act entitled "An act to create entries on the south half of the diminished Colville Indian the White House police force, and for other purposes," approyed Rel ervation; September 14, 1922; H. R. 9-!63. An act to provide for the prompt disposition of S. 579. An act for the relief of the Georgia Cotton Co.; disputes between carriers and their employees, and for other S. 598. An act for the relief of Alexander McLaren ; purposes; S. 951. An act to -promote the safety of passengers and em· H. R. 9559. An act granting certain public lands to the city ployees upon railroad.q by prohibiting the use of wooden cars of Altus, Okla., for reservoir and incidental purposes; under certain circumstances; H. R. 9730. An act to provide for an adequate water-supply S. 1050. An act for the relief of William F. Brockschmidt; system at the Dresslerville Indian Colony ; S. 1339. An act for the relief of Katherine Southerland ; H. B. 9829. An act to amend section 87 of the Judicial Code; S.1344. An act to amend paragraph (11), section 20, of the H. R. 10610. An act to confirm the title to certain lands in interstate commerce act; the State of Oklahoma to the Sac and Fox Nation or Tribe of S. 1356. An act for the relief of R. H. King ; Indians; . S.1485. An act to authorize disbursing officers of the Army, H. R. 11171. An act to authorize the deposit and expenditure Navy, and Marine Corps to de ignate deputies; of various revenues of the Indian Service as Indian moneys S.1640. An act authorizing the Secretary of Agriculture to proceeds of labor ; establish a national arboretum, and for other purposes ; H. Con. Res. 23. Concurrent resolution authorizing the print­ S.1824. An act for the relief of R. E. Swartz, W. J. Collier, ing of the Madison Debates of the Federal Convention and and others; relevant documents in commemoration of the one hundred and S. 1857. An act to confer jurisdiction on the Court of Claims fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence; and to certify certain findings of fact, and for other purposes ; H. J. Res.134. Joint re olution authorizing the Cherokee In­ S.1921. An act to give military status and discharges to the dians, the Seminole Indians, the Creek Indians, and the Choc­ members of the Russian Railway Service Corps, organized by taw and Chickasaw Indians to pro ecute claims jointly or the War Department under authority of the President of the severally in one or :more petitions as each of said Indian na· United States for service during the war with Germany; tions or tribes may el~t. S. 3894. An act to regulate inter tate commerce by motor The message also announced that the Vice President had busses operating or to operate as common carriers of passengers appointed Mr. SHIPsTEAD and Mr. RANSDELL members of the for hire through the interstate tunnel now being constructed Joint Select Committee on the part of the Senate as provided under the Hudson River between the city of New York, State for in the act of February 16, 1889, as amended by the act of of New York, and the city of Jersey City, State of New Jer ey, March 2, 1895, entitled, "An act to authorize and provide for and over the interstate bridge now being constructed aero s the the disposition of useless papers in the executive depart­ Delaware River between the city of Philadelphia, Commou­ ments" for the disposition of useless papers in the Government wealth of Pennsylvania, and the city of Camden, State of Printing Office. New Jersey; The message also announced that the Senate had passed bills S. 3926. An act to fix standards for hamper , round stave and Senate concurrent resolutions of the following titles in baskets, and splint ba kets for fruits and vegetable , and for which the concurrence of the House of Representatives was other purposes ; requested: S. 3929. An act to authorize the deposit and expenditure of S. 115. An act for the relief of the owner of the steamship various revenues of the Indian Service as Indian moneys, pro­ Neptune~· ceeds of labor; S. 2-!8. An act for the relief of the Central National Bank, S. 3958. An act to provide for the permanent withdrawal of Ellsworth, Kans. ; certain lands adjoining the Makah Indian Reservation in Wash­ S. 255 . .An act for the relief of Rosa E. Plummer ; ington for the use and occupancy of the Makah and Quileute S. 491. An act for the allowance of certain claims for extra Indians; labor above the legal day of eight hours at certain navy yards S. 3078. An act to authorize credit upon the construction certified by the Court of Claim ; charges of certain water-right applicants and purchasers on the S. 3259 . .An act authorizing the em·ollment of Martha E. Yuma and Yuma Me a auxiliary reclamation projects, and for Brace as a Kiowa Indian, and directing issuance of patents to other purpo es ; her and two others to certajn lands of the Kiowa Indian S. 4018. An act to authorize the Secretary of the Treasury Reser-vation, Okla. ; to prepare a medal with appropriate emblems and in criptions S. 3330. An act for the relief of Thomas G. Peyton; commemorative of the poet, Henry W. Longfellow; S. 3382. An act to appropriate tribal funds of the Klamath S. Con. Re".17. Concurrent resolution. National prohibition Indians to pay actual expenses of delegate to Washington, and law; for other purposes ; S. Con. Res. 12. Concurrent resolution. Printing copies of S. 3403. An act to amend section 8 of the act making ap­ Con. titution of the United States and Declaration of Inde­ propriations to provide for the expenses of the government pendence; of the District of Columbia for the fiscal year ending June S. 2090. An act for the relief of Alfred F. Land; 30, 1914, and for other purposes, al.)proved March 4, 1913; S. 2094. An act for the relief of C. P. Dryden; S. 3440. An act to regulate the interstate transportation of S. 2188. An act for the relief of G. C. Allen ; black bass, and for other purposes~ S. 2189. An act for the relief of W. B. deYampert;

•. 1926 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE . 9211 S. 2385. An act to reimburse Horace A. Choumard, chaplain lowing statement in explanation of the effect of the action in Twenty-thixd Infantry, for loss of certain personal property; agreed upon by the conference committee and submitted in the S. 2516. An act for the establishment and maintenance of a accompanying conference report : forest experiment station in Pennsylvania and the neighboring On Nos. 1 to 38, inclusive, relating to the numbers and com­ States; pensation of employees of the Senate: Appropriates for the S. 2525. An act for the relief of Maria Maykovica; number of employees and at the rates of compensation pro­ S. 2526. An act to extend the time for the refunding of taxes vided in the Senate amendments with the following exceptions : erroneously collected from certain estates ; Provides for a clerk at $1,800 in lieu of a clerk at $2,590, pro­ ~ - 2912. An act to further amend section 125 of the national posed to be omitted by the Senate amendments; appropriates deie n ~ e act of June 3, 1916, as amended; $3,600 for the superintendent of the Senate document room in­ S. 3030. An act to authorize payment of expenses of the stead of $4,000, as proposed by the Senate; appropriates $2,400 Washington-Alaska military cable and telegraph system out of for the second assistant in the document room instead of $2,500, receipts of such system as an operating expense ; and as proposed by the Senate. S. 3148. An act to regulate the manufacture, renovation, and On No. 39: Strikes out the paragraph, inserted by the Senate, snle of mattresses in the Dish·ict of Columbia. granting traveling and subsistence expenses to one clerk for THE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION RILL each Senator in going to and returning from each session of l\1r. DICKINSON of Iowa. l\Ir. Speaker, I call up the con­ Congress. ference report on the bill 10425, maldng appropriations for the On Nos. 40, 41, 42, 43, and 44, relating to the office of the legislati,·e branch of the Government for the fiscal year ending Architect of the Capitol: l\1akes the appropriation for repairs June 30, 1!)27, and for other purposes, and I ask unanimous con­ to the Capitol Building available for "personal and other serv­ sent that the statement be read in lieu of the report. ices," as proposed by the Senate, instead of for "wages of The Clerk read the statement. mechanics and laborers," as proposed by the House; appro­ The conference report and statement are as follows: priates $89,413.80 for maintenance of the Senate Office Build-· ing, as proposed by the Senate, instead of $79,413.80, as pro­ COXFERENCE REPORT posed by the House; makes the Capitol Power Plant appro­ priation available for the payment of an allowance of $300 The committee of conference on the disagreeing \Otes of the for maintenance of a vehicle for the superintendent of meters two Hou es on the amendments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. and increases the amount of the appropriation by $2,140 on 10425) making appropriations for the legislative branch of the account of the transfer of an employee from the rolls of the Government for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1927, and for Supreme Court to the Architect of the Capitol; and increases other purposes, having met, after full and free conference have the amount for repnirs of the Library of Congress Building agreed to recommend and do recommend to their respective from $9,000 to $12,500 as proposed by the Senate. Houses as follows : On Nos. 46 and 47: Makes the appropriation for a survey That the Senate recede from its amendments numbered 39 of the l\Iall by the Joint Committee on the Library available and 49. immediately for the payment of services heretofore rendered That the House recede from its di agreement to the amend­ under agreement. ment of the Senate numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 13, 16, On No . 48 and 49, relating to the Library of Congress: Ap­ 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34. propriates $518,585, as proposed by the Senate, instead of 35, 36, 37, 38, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 46, 47, 48, 50, 51, 52, and 54, and $514,785, as proposed by the House for salaries of the Library agree to the same. proper; and strikes out the increase of $5,280, proposed by the Amendment numbered 8: That the House recede from its Senate, in the amount for the maintenance of the Library disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 8, and Building. agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In lieu of On Nos.- 50, 51 and 52: Increases the pay of the Public Printer the matter inserted by said amendment insert "eme at $2,590, from $6,000 to $7,500 and the Deputy Public Printer from one at $1,800" ; and the Senate agree to the same. $4,500 to $5,000, as proposed by the Senate. Amendment numbered 11: That the House recede from its On No. 54: Makes a verbal correction in the text of the bill. (tisagreement to the amenument of the Senate numbered 11, The committee of conference have not agreed on the follow­ and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In lien ing amendments: of the sum proposed insert "$102,620"; and the Senate agree to the same. On No. 45: Transferring four trucks from the War Depart­ Amendment numbered 12: That the Honse recede from its ment to the Botanical Gardens. disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 12, On No. 53 : Providing for the payment of $125,000 for three and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In lieu postal-card presses for the use of the Government Printing of the sum proposed insert "$3,600"; and the Senate agree to Office. · L. J. DICKINSON, the same. Amendment numbered 14: That the Honse recede from its JOHN w. SUMMERS, disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 14, FRANK :MURPHY, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: In lien Ross A. CoLLINs, of the sum propo ed insert " $2,400" ; and the Senate agree to Mana.gers on the pa1·t of the House. the same. Amendment numbered 15: That the House recede from its Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I yield five minutes disagreement to the amendment of the Senate numbered 15, to the gentleman from Washington [Mr. JoHNSON]. and agree to the same with an amendment as follows : In lieu Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. l\Ir. Speaker and gentlemen, of the sum proposed insert " $14,060 " ; and the Senate agree to the consideration of this conference report permits me to re­ mind you that I am still insi tent on some relief being afforded the same. The committee of conference have not agreed on amend­ to certain committees of the H~use which now have insufficient clerk hire. If Members will look at this bill they will find in ments numbered 45 and 53. the first few pages the matter of clerk hire for both House L. J. DICKINSON, and Senate. Under clerical assistants to Senators you will JOHN w. SUMMERS, FRANK MURPHY, find- Ross A. CoLLINs, seventy clerks at $3,300 each, 70 assistant clerks at $1,9-W each, 70 Ma1wgers on the part of the House. assistant clerks at $1,830 each, and provided that such clerks and assist­ F. E. WARREN, ant clerks shall be ex officio clerks and assistant clerks of any com­ REED SMOOT, mittee of which their Senator is chairman. CHARLES CURTIS, I notice that the C01m;nittee on Immigration in the other body A. A. JONES, bas a clerk at $3,300, an assistant clerk at $2,150, another WM. J. HARRIS, assistant clerk at $1,830, and an additional clerk at $1,520; all Managers on the part of the Senate. told, four clerks, at a total of $8,830, while the House commit­ tee has but one clerk and a messenger at minimum pay. The STATEMENT other body is quite liberal with clerk hire. Its Members need The managers on the part of the House at the conference on clerks, and they are employed. the disagreeing votes of the two Houses on the amendments of Clerical assistants to Senators who are not chairmen of com­ the Senate to the bill (H. R. 10425) making appropriations for mittees are authorized as follows: Seventy clerks at $3,300 each, the legislative branch of the Government for the fiscal year 70 assistant clerks at $1,940 each, 70 assistant clerks at $1,830 ending June 30, 1927, and for other purposes, submit the fol- each. · 9212 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE MAY 11 A classification of the clerk hire and salaries for the commit­ clerk hire,· and while the Senate has power to employ a lot tees of the Hou e of Repre entatives makes an interesting dis­ ~ore clerks and to increase the salary of a messenger to the play. There are 18 classifications according to pay. These high salary of a clerk in this House, it is unjust in them to classifications have been made by no rule. I find the Commit­ do so. The Senate says that that is their own busines and tee on Immigration which has a crowded calendar, and many strictly speaking I assume it is, but I tried to impress 'upon involved propositions under consideration, and which during them the fact that we are not simply legislating for the Senate this session has spent about six weeks in hearings, many of or for the House but for Congress, for the Government of the them lasting all day, and nearly all of the hearings held at the United States, and that there ought to be some community of request of Members. In the classification by groups the clerks interest, some system in the scale of pay and in the number of of that committee stand, I think, seventeenth out of the 18 clerks that these various committees have. groups arTanged according to pay. The only group receiving l\Ir. BLACK of Texas. l\Ir. Speaker, will the gentleman clerk hire pay below that of Immigration is that of the Com­ yield? mittee on the Disposition of Useless Papers. Why the discrimi­ l\Ir. TAYLOR of Colorado. Yes. nation against the Committee on Disposition of Useless Papers? Mr. BLACK of Texas. As I now recall it, about two years If that is not an unfair arrangement, if that is not something ago we did pass a law fixing the salaries of all these employ~ to shame this House, I am unable to find anything worse. ees, both of the House and the Senate. Mr. CHINDBLOM. Has the gentleman a list comparing the Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Yes. number and pay of the clerks of the House with those of the 1\lr. BLACK of Texas. And it was signed by the President, other body? and is just the same as any other law fixing the salaries of Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. I have not. I did not want Government employees. I think the gentleman is correct. If to criticize the other body. there is a need for the revision of these salaries, then the same Mr. CHINDBLOM. Not for the purpose of criticism, but kind of a committee that revised them before ought to do that to spur us on. now. Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. I will do that. Mr. Speaker, Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Certainly. I ask unanimous consent to insert some tables in the RECORD. l\Ir. BLACK of Texas. And we ought not to allow the Sen· The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the request of the ate to come in and make increases that will cause discontent gentleman from Washington? and discord, as the gentleman says. I intend to vote against There TJas no objection. the conference report. Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. I realize that we can n.ot Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Mr. Speaker, the House ought to get any further at this session in this matter, but I do hope give this matter serious consideration. I did not file any mi­ that the Appropriations Committee and the Committee on Ac­ nority report, although I reserved the right to call the atten­ counts will make some provision for improving the situation tion of the House to this situation. We settled this whole at the winter session. matter some two years ago, but if every se sion of Congress Mr. HASTINGS. What is the amount allowed a Senator the Senate is going to tilt up some of their clerks in so far as for clerk hire who is not chairman of a committee? The salary is concerned and add a lot more, then we will have to amount allowed a Representative is $4,000. have another revision very soon, or else submit to a great deal Mr. JOHNSON df Washington. I am informed that it is of injustice and dissatisfaction among the House employees. about $7,000 or $8,000. Mr. MAcGREGOR. How are you going to restrain the ex­ 1\lr. DICKINSON of Iowa. The amount allowed a Senator travagance, and I say it is extravagance, of the other body, in is $3,300 for a clerk ; assistant clerk, $1,940 ; assistant clerk, not so much perhaps too high a pay roll as in having men on $1,830; and an additional clerk, $1,520. He is allowed four the pay roll who should not be there? · clerks. Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. If the Senate of the United Mr. HASTINGS. Is not mileage provided for in this bill? States insists on putting on more clerks and paying them more Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. No; it is proposed for Sen­ salaries every session, I do not know of any way that we can ate clerks, but not agreed to by the conferees. prevent it, unless we refuse to concur in the conference reports 1\lr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I yield 10 minutes raising their pay. to the gentleman from Colorado [Mr. TAYLOR]. Mr. BLACK of Texas. There is no compulsion upon our Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Mr. Speaker, I feel that the adopting what they do. remarks of the gentleman from Washington [~r. JoHNSON] Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. No; and I did not approve it. are very largely correct and appropriate. While, of course, There are only two items in dispute, and I think they ought the · Senate has the abstract and technical right to fix the to be adopted. The one giving four trucks to the Botanic number and salaries of their employees, nevertheless it seems Garden and the other conserving some cases. I think the to me they should not do so .except in cooperation and conjunc­ House ought to know about these things, and I assume the tion with the House. These matters should be handled jointly chairman will make an additional explanation as to those. by the two Houses. I objected to this Senate raise in salaries Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, the one item that and increase in number in the subcommittee, and for that caused a great deal of comment in this bill was amendment reason I declined to sign this report, because I feel we ought No. 39, which provided for the payment of mileage to the sec· to systematically take this matter up jointly as between the retaries to the Senators. That created a great deal of intereSt Senate and the House. Either this committee and the Senate among the Members of the House. After discussing that par· Committee on Approptiations, or the Committee on Accounts ticular amendment the Senate receded, and, of course, there in the House and the similar committee in the Senate ought is going to be no mileage paid to the secretaries of Senators to to take up the question of the revision of the number of Senate and from Washington. and House clerks and their salaries on the various committees. There are two amendments in dispute. They are both legisla· It is absurd and unjust for the great Committee on Immigra­ tion. One of them is with reference to the transfer from the tion to be treated the way we are treating it; but this subcom­ War Department of four trucks to the Botanic Gardens, needed mittee felt that we ought not to pick out one or two com­ very much. The other has to do with the settlement Govern­ mittees and increase their clerks. This work should not be ment Printing Office is to make with reference to the present done in such a haphazard way as the Senate is doing, and I ·adjustment for a printing press, and its authorization is made appealed to the Senators on this conference committee to in order to clear up the matter, so far as the General Account­ cooperate with the House and devise some system of clerk­ ing Office is concerned. ships and of pay that would treat both ends of the Capitol These are the only two items that are brought back here for rightly. If we adopt this report, it will create discontent disposition on the part of the House. In reference to the among the clerks of this House. It is not fair to them. agreement to the salary adjustment in the Senate I will say Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. Mr. Speaker, will the gentle­ that the Senators contend this is completing their task of re­ man yield? vision of senatorial employees' salaries over there, and, of Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. Yes. course, it has always been courtesy on the part of the House Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. Would it not be a fair to permit Senators to fix the salaries of their employees and in proposition to at least bring the pay for clerk hire for the turn the House fixes the salary of their employees. Committee on the Disposition of Useless Papers up to the Mr. UNDERHILL. Will the gentleman yield? expenditure of the Committee on Immigration? The ve,ry Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. I will. important Committee on the Disposition of Useless Papers is Mr. UNDERHILL. Will this feature of the conference re­ provided with but a few dollars less per year than the Com­ port come up under a separate vote, or do we have to vote up mittee on Immigration and the Committee on the Territories. or down the whole proposition? Mr. TAYLOR of Colorado. The illustration of the gentle­ Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. The whole proposition. ll)an from Wrlshington forcibly brings to our minds the ab­ · Mr. UNDERHILL. Will the gentleman yield for just a mo­ surdity of the position we are in respecting Senate and House ment? I think we ought to stay here all summer before acced- "1926 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD--HOUSE 9213 • ing for one minute to such a proposition which the Senate is the case of the superintendent of the document room there was attempting to put over here. [Applause.] recommendation for a $500 increase and only $100 was allowed. Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. To what particular item is the l\ir. DICKINSON of Iowa. The reason was that was on a gentleman objecting? parity with the document room of the House and the work is Mr. UNDERHILL. The general raise of salaries in the Sen­ similar, and the Senate receded from that amendment. ate which really in fact, is a model for us to follow here in l\lr. Si\IITH. But he is the only employee of the Senate who the' House, where' the House employees do twice or three times is on a parity with the House employees. Committee clerks the amount of work the Senate employees do and get half the and secretaries to Senators receive much larger salaries than pay. Now, if we are going to change these salaries they should the same class clerks in the House. be changed in the House as well as the Senate. They should Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. The pay of the respective men, be adjusted on some equitable basis in accordance with the what it ought to be, is entirely up to the two Houses of Con­ work performed and not give some employee of the Senate who gress. We have never undertaken to fix the salaries of Senate is merely there under patronage a salary of $4,000 or $5,000 employees. for performing nothing, where somebody else who has to work l\Ir. SMITH. But you made an exception in the case of the night and day only gets $2,400. I think it is about time for the superintendent of the Senate document room, and you uo not House to assert itself from an economic program even if it make an exception of. other employees. transgresses to a certain degree the prerogatives of the Senate. Mr. UNDERHILL. Can the gentleman tell us how. many :Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Permit me to suggest to the gen­ of these salaries of Senate employees have been raised, and tleman from Massachusetts that the House chairman of the the total amount? Committee on Accounts, the able gentleman from New York, l\lr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Yes. The total amount of Sen· raises salaries of different employees on the House side any ate raises for Senate employees is $9,250 for the entire raise. time the Committee on Accounts thinks it advisable. Now, Mr. UNDERHILL. How many employees does that cover? the Senate has no Committee on Accounts, and whenever the Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. I think 10 or 12; maybe more Committee on Accounts raises a salary it is paid out of the than that; 13 or 14. contingent fund for a year and then it is allocated to the Mr. UNDERHILL. What class of employees are those? legislative appropriation bill as an authorization. The Senate 1\lr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Well, there is the reading clerk, h:u:: no method of doing anything of that kind. I do not re­ the financial clerk, the journal clerk. member how many salaries they have raised ; I think, possibly, Mr. UNDERHILL How do these raises compare-that is, the chairman of the Committee on Accounts can tell us. I the contemplated amount compare-with the salaries of like know that here in one resolution we raised 6, 8, or 10 salaries positions in the House? on the House side. l\Ir. DICKINSON of Iowa. We try to make them correspond. l\lr. Ul'I"DERHILL. I can tell the gentleman. There has always been a little difference between the reading Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. We raised 4 or 6 or 10 salaries clerk of the House and the reading clerk of the Senate. I here in the House through the Committee on Accounts, but think the salary is $4,200 for the reading clerk: of the House over on the Senate side the only place to raise such salaries and $4,500 for the reading clerk of the Senate, just a little is in this bill. • difference. l\Ir. SMITH. Will the gentleman yield? Mr. l\IcSW AIN. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. I will. l\Ir. DICKINSON of Iowa. Yes. Mr. SMITH. I would like to inform the gentleman they l\fr. McSWAIN. Do I understand the gentleman from Iowa have a committee in the Senate, Contingent Expenses, which to say that this House ought not to have anything to do with brings in resolutions to increase salaries, and sometimes pro­ the fixing of the salaries of the employees of the Senators? vides for new employees, increasing the number provided by Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. It bas always been customary existing law, which committee corresponds to our Committee for them to arrange their employees and for us to arrange ours. on Accounts. Mr. l\IcS\V AIN. Can they get the money out of the Treas­ Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. The statement to the House con­ ury unless we vote our approval? ferees over there was that they did not have that any more. Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Certainly not. They had no longer any employees. paid from the contingent Mr. l\IcSW AIN. Do we not have something to do with the fund of the Senate; that they had absolutely done away with fixing of the salaries of the Senators themselves? that entire system, and for that reason this was the only place l\Ir. DICKINSON of Iowa. Yes. a salary could be raised. l\lr. McSWAIN. Then I say this House has just as much l\Ir. UNDERHILL. They have just sent over a proposition to right to fix the salary of the Senate employees as it bas to fix take half the money, $5,000, from the Senate contingent fund, the salaries of the Senators themselves or the salary of the Vice and $5,000 from the House contingent fund for a certain pur­ President or the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. We rep­ pose. If they have no contingent fund, they had better estab­ resent the people who pay the taxes, and we should say how lish one. much we will pay, and bow. Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Ob, they have a contingent Mr. CARTER of Oklahoma. Is it not a question of the fit· fund-- ness of things? :Mr. Ul\TDERHILL. They have a Committee on Finance also. Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Yes. l\Ir. DICKINSON of Iowa. Yes. It is that kind of a question. l\Ir. UNDERHILL. What is the duty of that committee? l\lr. McSWAIN. I would like to see it done. l\1r. DICKINSON of Iowa. We have to take their state- 1\lr. UNDERHILL. I understand one of the reading clerks ment over there that they are not now using a system of hav­ of the Senate gets $5,500 and another gets $4,800, and as com­ ing any committee over there recommending additional salaries. pared with the salaries paid over here it is more than 10 or 15 per cent than is paid over here. l\Ir. U:l\"DERHILL. If the House refuses to agree to this item in the conference report, then the Senate can take action l\Ir. DICKINSON of Iowa. There is one man over there who in the appointment of a committee to readjust such salaries is still on the roll who is not able physically to perform any of as are necessary. the work of his position, and one of the other clerks acts as a l\Ir. DICKINSON of Iowa. That readjustment has gone reading clerk. through over a period of years. Their salaries were fixed, and l\Ir. TAYLOR of Colorado .. But there is not as much work you no more than got the salaries fixed until somebody wanted to be done over there as there is over here. to unfix them. The gentleman from Massachusetts may pro­ The SPEAKER. The question is on agreeing to the con­ ceed to fix them this session, and before they are hardly fixed ference report. he will have at least a dozen requests to unfix them at the The question was taken, and the Speaker announced that next session of Congress. the ayes appeared to have it. l\Ir. SMITH. Will the gentleman yield? Mr. UNDERHILL. A division, l\fr. Speaker. Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. I will. The SPEAKER. A division is demanded. l\fr. SMITH. I believe the gentleman stated the committee The House divlded; and there were-ayes 110, noes 43. followed the recommendation of the Senate in reference to the So the conference report was agreed to. increasing of salaries of Senate employees? Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. l\Ir. Speaker, I object to Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Yes; we always do. the vote. I make the point of order that there is no quorum l\Ir. SMITH. It was not done in the case of the superintend­ present. ent of documents. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Washington makes the Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. There is where you have a com­ point of order that there is no quorum present. The Chair parative employee. will count. l\Ir. SMITH. The gentleman bas provided for increases in Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I will with­ salary of certain Senate employees and denied it to others. In draw the point of no quorum. Having been threatened that I 9214 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-. HOUSE ~fAy 11 • would not get the clerk hire, I will withdraw the point of no (Jlerk hire f)ayments to the co-mmittees, etc.-Continued quorum. The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report the first Senate Committees Wages amendment. The Clerk read as follows: 8. (a) Military Affairs; (b) Naval Affairs...... $2,880 Senate amendment No. 45: Page 29, line 20, insert: "Within 30 1,830 days after the approval of this act the Secretary of War is authorized 1,310 to deliver to the Botanic Garden, without payment therefor, four Total______...... ------...... _ 6, 020 trucks." 9. Post Office and Post Roads ... ------2, 830 Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I move that the 1, 73() House recede and concur in the Senate amendment. 1;310 The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa moves that the Total ...... •...... ~ .: ...... __ o, 920 Boo e recede and concur in the Senate amendment. The ques­ tion is on agreeing to that motion. 10. Pensions...... 2, 880 1,\)40 The motion was agreed to. 1. ClO T.hE! SPEAKER. The Clerk will report the next Senate amendment. TotaL .. ------·---.------.. __ .. ."...... •.•.... _____ . 5. 830 The Clerk read as follows: 11. (a) Claims; (b) Pnblic Buildings and Grounds; (c) War Claims...... 2,880 Senate amendment No. 53: Page 38, line 8, insert: "Payment of I, !i2) 1, 010 not to exceed the contract price of $125,000 for three postal-card presses ordered in fiscal years 1924 n.nd 1925 shall be made upon audit Total .....•...... •...... ~--...... f., 410 and order of the Joint Committee on Printing; and such audit, order, =- 12. Rules...... 2, 360 and payment shall be conclusive and binding upon all parties con­ 1,83') cerned as to correctness of the account." 1,010 Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Total ...... · ...... •.•.•.....•...... ------.---...... - .'i, 200 House recede and concur in the Senate amendment. · 13 World War Veterans ______;·------2,880 The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa moves that the 2,150 House recede and concur in the Senate amendment. The ques­ 1-- tion is on agreeing to that motion. Total ...... ------...... 5, 030 The motion was agreed to. H. (a) Banking and Currency, Public Lands .....•.•...... 2,360 Mr. DICKINSON of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I yield five minutes 1,520 to the gentleman from Washington [Mr. JoHNSON]. 1,010 Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. Mr. Speaker, since address- Total ______-______4,890 ing the Hou e ·on this matter a few moments ago, I have se- • . · · cured from my office a table classifying the clerk-hire payments 15· Rev..sion oflaws ...... ••...... 3,000 to the committees of the House of Representatives, and I find I · · · 1,010 that, accoriling to their wage scales, or their salary costs to the . Total.·------4,010 Go-vernment, the committees of tThhe House may "fbe a:ranged in · . Printing ______15 2,360 18 different classes or groups. ere 1s no um orm1ty, except ·· 1, 310 in the very tight treatment of committees of the seventeenth clasRifica tion. TotaL ...... ••...... •...... __ ...... 3,670 The groups or classes are found, as follows: 17. (a) Census; (b) Civil Service; (c) Coinage, etc.; (d) Elections No.1; 2,360 (e) Elections No. 2; (f) Elections No.3; (g) Enrolled Bills; (h) Flood 1, 010 Clerk "Ttire payments to the committees of the House of Representatives Control; (i) Immigration and Naturalization; (j) Irrigation and Rec­ lamation; (k) Labor; (I) Library; (m) Merchant Marine and Fish­ Committees Wages eries; (n) Mines and Mining; (o) Patents; (p) Roads; (q) Territories. Total...... ------..... ___ .•...... 3, 370 1. Appropriations_ ...... •...... ••••... $6, 000 18. (a) Disposition of Useless Papers in the Executive Departments; (b) 4, 000 Education; (c) Election of President and Vice President ...... 2,360 18,000 2,440 1,440 Now, how did we ever get into such a peculiar arrangement as Total .. ___ ...... - ...... --.. . 31,880 that? There is neither rhyme nor reason to it. One can not go before the distinguished chairman of the Committee on 2. Ways and Means __ .....•.•••...... •.. ------················· 3,600 2,360 Accounts without being told other committees are making 2,250 demands for increase in clerk hire, and that if one increase 2,880 is made all other requests will have to be considered. Well, 1, 310 1, 010 why not? I have no doubt that the Committee on the :Mer­ chant Marine and Fisheries needs a little more clerk hire. TotaL ___ ...... · 13, 410 All of these clerks are on the permanent rolls ; they are not 3. In valid Pens:ons ..... ___ ...... __ ....•...... 2,880 perquisites. But if one goes to either the chairman of the 2, 560 Committee on Accounts or the chairman of the Committee on 2,360 Appropriations and h·ies to get relief in a sincere effort to 1, 240 properly carry on the business of this House he meets with TotaL ...... __ ...... --...... 9, 040 rebuff. I submit that the whole schedule needs revision. (. Interstate and Foreign Commerce ...... •.•...... 2,8&0 The SPEAKER. The question is on agreeing to the motion 2, 360 of the gentleman from Iowa to recede ami concur in the 1,830 Senate amendment. 1,310 The motion was agreed to. Total._ ...... __ ...... --.------.... . 8,380 POSTAL SAL.AR.lES .AND POSTAL RATES 6. (a) Accounts; (b) Agriculture; (c) Rivers and Harbors...... 2, 880 2,150 1\!r. RAMSEYER Mr. Speaker, the act of February 28, 1,310 1925, commonly known as the postal salaries and postal rates act, provides for the appointment of a special joint subcom­ TotaL ...... •.•.. __ 6, 340 - mittee to study the problem of postal rates. That committee 6. Judiciary •.••..•.•.•.•.•••••••..... ------2, 880 has made an exhau tive study of the problem and is prepared L940 to make a partial report. The act further provides that the 1; 240 committee shall report by bill. That bill is prepared and is Total...... 6, 060 accompanied by a report. I ask unanimous consent that the bill may be referred to the proper calendar. 7. (a) District of Columbia; (b) Foreign .A.ffai.rs; (c) Indian .A.ffairs...... 2, 880 2,150 The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa asks unanimous 1,010 consent that the bill mentioned may be referred to the Union Calendar. Is there objection? Total ... -----_.------.••• ---- ___ .•.•.•.•..•• ------... __ ... 6, 040 There was no objection . . . 1926 OONGRESSION AL RECORD-HOUSE 9215

ADDRESS OF PRESIDENT COOLIDGE Who can measm·e the inspiration that may be drawn from such symbols Mr. MILLS. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to ex­ of heroic deeds ! tend my remarks by having printed in the RECORD the address You have encouraged research into Revolutionary history, published the results, aided in the preservation of documents and relics, of the of the President before the Daughters of the American Revo­ individual service records of soldiers and patriots. You have promoted lution on April 19, 1926. the celebration of patriotic anniversaries. Worthy acts of service to The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York asks unani­ the Nation, each and every one! mous consent to extend his remarks by printing the address of You undertake to promote institutions for the diffusion of knowledge the President recently delivered before the conv-ention of the to the end that there may be developed " the largest capacity for Daughters of the American Revolution. Is there objection? performing the duties of American citizens." You have added to your There was no objection. endeavors oi this character the very practical and necessary work of Mr. MILLS. Mr. Speaker, under the leave to extend my helping the foreign born to understand and acquire the full benefit of remarks in the RECORD, I include the following address made living in America. by President Coolidge at Washington on the 19th of April, But it is the third and last, and the most important, paragraph of 1926, at 8 p. m., before the Daughters of the American Revo­ your declaration of purpose that arouses the keenest interest. In it lution: you say it shall be your endeavor- Members or the Daughters of the American Revolution, coming " To cherish, maintain, and extend the institutions o1 American to address the Thirty-fifth Continental Congress of the National freedom, to foster true patriotism and love of country, and to aid in Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution reminds me that securing for mankind all the blessings of liberty." I have had that privilege several times in the past. You represent These are principles worthy of the best support that the country can one of the most distinguished patriotic orders of our Nation in cherish­ give. Yet ·it is not beyond the capacity of the humblest citizen to ing the memory of the people and the record of the events of the great make some conhibution for their establishment. However exalted is struggle which resulted in American independence. It is a marked the conception of our institutions, they are not beyond the reach of the honor to be invited to speak in your presence. But I do not wish to common run of people. They are ideal but they are practical. They be the sole recipient of such opportunity. Perhaps you might profit rest on the every-day virtues-honesty, industry, and thrift. As the by some change in the future. In a fresh view of a great period, ani­ overwhelming p1ass of our people are thoroughly loyal to these princi­ mated by a great pill'pose, consecrated by a great result, you are more ples, we can feel a warranted assurance that the foundations of our likely to secure a much larger inspiration. institutions are secure. In Massachusetts the 19th of April is known as Patriots' Day. But while we are justified in the assumption that the heart of the It is honored and set apart. The whole Nation is coming more and people is sound, and that they are moved by worthy motives, it can not more to observe it. As the time lengthens from the occurrences of be denied that we always have and do now suffer from ma.ny minor 1775, its significance becomes more apparent and its importance more afllictions. That would be disturbing if one djd not realize that more real. It stands out as one of the great days in history, not because serious maladi£>s have been met and overcome in the past, and that 1t can be said the American Revolution actually began there, but there is every reason to believe that our people have sufficient character because on that occasion it became apparent that the patriots were to meet the requirements of the present day. determined to defend their rights. Our Republic gjve3 to its citizens greater opportunities, and under it The Revolutionary period bas always appeared to m£> to be sig­ they have achieved greater blessings than ever came to any other nificant for three. definite reasons : The people of that day had ideals people. It - is exceedingly wholesome to stop and contemplate that for the advancement of human welfare. They kept their ideals within undisputed fact from time to time. Then it Is necessary to contem­ the bounds of what was practical, according to the results of past plate the inescapable corollary that the enjoyment and perpetuation of experience. They did not hesitate to make the necessary sacrifice to these conditions necessarily lay upon our people the obligation of a establish those ideals in a workable form of political institutions. corresponding service and sacrifice. Citizenship in America is nat a As I have examined the record of your society, I believe that it is private enterprise but a public function. Although I have indicated devoted to the same principles of practical idealism enshrined in insti- that it is my firm conviction that this ·requirement will be met, it can tutions by sacrifice. . not be denied that if it is not met disaster will overtake the whole This is but the natural inheritance of those who are descended from fa_l>ric of our institutions. Revolutionary times. In this day, with our broadened view of the Our very success and prosperity have brought with them thelr own importance of women in working out the destiny of mankind, there perils. It can not be denied that in the splendor and· glamour of our will be none to deny that as there were fathers in our Republic so life the moral sense is sometimes blinded. It can not be disputed that there were mot)lers. If· they did not take part in the formal de­ in too many quarters there is a lack of reverence for authority and of liberations, yet by their abiding faith they inspired and encour­ obedience to law. Such occurrences are sporadic and produce their aged the men ; by their sacrifice they performed their part in the own remedy. When society finds that Its life and pro.perty are in peril struggle out of which came our country. We read of th1! flaming from evildoers, it is very quick to organize its forces for its own plea of Hannah Arnett, which she made on a dreary day in De­ protection. That can not fall to be done in our country, for our people cember, 1776, when Lord Cornwallis, victorious at Fort Lee, held a as a whole are thoroughly law-abiding. strategic position in New Jersey. A group _of the Revolutionists, It is not in violence and crime that our greatest danger lies. These weary and discouraged, were discussing the advisability of giving evils are so perfectly apparent that they very quickly arouse the moral up the struggle. Casting aside the proprieties which forbade a woman po.wer of the people for their suppression. A far more serious danger to interfere in the counsels of men, Hannah Arnett proclaimed her lurks in the shirking of those responsibllitles of citizenship, where the faith. In eloquent words, which at once shamed and stung to action, evil may not be so noticeable but is more insi..'Jlect there wlll be Others say it was less. mistakes, but they will be the mistakes ·which the people themselves I am not disposed to accept these conclusions as altogether fair to make, because they control their own Government. But if the people the women. And it stands to reason that it would take some time for faH to vote, a government will be developed which is not their gov­ them to become u~d to exercising the privilege which had belonged ernment. to the men of this country for 'many generations. This is not a partisan question, but a patriotic question. Your It is not my purpose to draw any distinction between the men and society, which is organized "to cheri h, maintain, and extend the the women as to the extent to which they take advantage of their institutions of Amel'ican freedom," may well take a leading part in privilege and perform their duty at the ballot box. But rather it arousing public sentiment to the peril that arises when the average is my idea to call your attention to the startling fact that in the last citizen falls to vote. The women of the country ought to be espe­ two presidential elections barely 50 per cent of those qualified to vote cially responsive to an appeal from you. I feel quite certain that have done so. In the senatorial elections in ol'l years the voting per­ with the men it would be almost irresistible. The American people ceDtage is much smaller. have been especially responsive in meeting the requirements of taxa­ A published study of the senatorial vote of 1922 revealed some tion. They ought to be even more responsive in meeting the require­ astonishing facts. In not a few of the States the total vote cast for ments of voting. The whole system of American Government rests senatorial candidates was less than 50 per cent of the total possible on the bal1ot box. Unless citizens perform their duties there, such a vote. In not a singli:! case did the successful candidate secure any· system of government is doomed to failUl'e. where near a majority of the total possible vote. There was one State in which the percentage was 42 and another in which it was PERMISSION TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE 33. From that it ran down sharply to certain States where the Mr. LA.GUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanim~ms consent candidates elected received as low as 7, 9, or 10 per cent of the total that after the disposition of business on the Speaker's table possible vote. to-day, and before the committee starts the consideration of If we are to keep our representative form of government and to the agricultural bill, I may address the House on the agricul­ maintain the principle that the majority shall rule, it behooves us tural bill for 25 minutes, not having obtained time in general to take some drastic action to arouse the voters of this country to a debate. greater interest in their civic duties on election day. Many remedies The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York asks unani­ have been proposed, from disfranchisement to criminal action. The mous consent that after the disposition of matters on the most practical, I believe, however, is for all bodies of men and women Speaker's table, and before beginning the consideration of the interested in the welfare of this country to join together onder some agricultural bill, be may be permitted to address the Hou e efficient form of organization to correct this evil which has been coming for 25 minutes on the subject of the bill. Is there objection? on us for more than 40 years, but which within the last decade has Mr. TILSON. Mr. Speaker, reserving the tight to object, become most acute. it seems to me that the proper place to make the request Having in mind the poor showing made in the presidential election would be after the House has resolved itself into Committee of 1920, an etrort was made to get out a larger participation on election of the Whole and when the committee is considering the bill. day in 1924. Such prominent bodies as the National Civic Federation, At that time the gentleman could ask unanimous consent to the National League of Women Voters, the American Federation of proceed for 25 minutes on the bill. Labor, the Federal Council of Churches of Christ in America, ~nd a large number of other organizations, business· as well as civic, each in Mr. LAGUARDIA. If the distinguished leader will permit, its own way, attempted to get people to the polls. Members of the I have followed suggestions so often in the last :five days to Daughters of the American Revolution took part as individuals but not wait until some other time that I am just about at the 1·ope's as an organization, I understand. When the vote was counted it was end. I hope the gentleman will not object, because I have found the percentage of vote cast was very litHe greater in 1924 than this speech in my system and I shall feel much better once I in 1920. One of those most earnestly interested ln the movement, deliver it. writing about it later, said: Mr. TILSON. I shall not object to the gentleman having .. Was it a tragedy or was lt a farce--the result of the great and the 25 minutes in the committee. more or less spectacular campaign by voluntary organizations to • Get Mr. LAGUARDIA. That is perfectly satisfactory. out the vote' 1" Despite all this effort, the percentage of those voting Mr. RUBEY. How is the gentleman going to do that in was barely 50. The question naturally arises, Had it not. been for all committee? this work, would not the decline have reached an extraordinary and a Mr. TILSON. By asking unanimous consent, the same as bumiliatingly low point? The very fact that there was little net in· in the House. He has the same chance of getting the permis­ crease after all the self-sacrificing and disinterested work would seem sion in the committee as here, and it would be more appro­ to show clearly the growing strength of the tend-ency to remain away priate for the gentleman to make his request after the House from the polls on election day. ha resolved itself into Committee of the Whole. Led by our example, country after country in various parts of the Mr. RUBEY. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to object, is world has adopted a representative .form of government and extended this matter to be settled here or in the committee? its franchise for the election of parliamentary bodies. There was a Mr. LAGUARDIA. I hope the gentleman will not object. time when America led the world in getting out the vote. It is not Mr. RUBEY. There have been five days of general debate. pleasant to find that now we have dropped far behind some of the Mr. LAGUARDIA. And I could not get a minute. other nations in our participation in popular elections. We are told Mr. RUBEY. I am a member of the Committee on Agri­ tJ1at 82 per cent of the men and women qualified to vote went to the culture. and I could not get a minute, becau e I was wedged polls in the parliamentary elections in England and Wales in 1922. in between two contending parties who fou"ht u. and who did The Brltisb electorate is maintaining a voting average of 60 per cent not speak for their measures but spoke against ours. better than ours. In Germany in 1920 the vote approximo.ted 75 per 1\lr. LAGUARDIA. And I was in between three. cent of the total electorate. And it is estimated that 1n 1924 this was Mr. RUBEY. I appreciate the gentleman's po itioii. increased to 82 per cent. In 1921 1n Canada, in voting for members of Mr. LAGUARDIA. And if the gentleman will recall, when the lower house of Parllament, a little over 70 per cent of the voting unanimous consent was asked I reserved the right to object population participated. Over a period of 21 years Australia has main· and was then given the assurance that I would be given time. 1926 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9217 • 1\Ir. RUBEY. I shall not object in the House, but I do not It is true that he has just cause for complaint; legislation know what I shall do when we get into committee. has been enacted for every other form of capital in the United 1\Ir. TILSON. I shall not object in committee, but I feel States. The farmer has the right to ask the question: Why that we should first go into committee, where the bill is to be should not the farmer have protection? Why should not the di cussed. farmer have his industry safeguarded and protected by law? Mr. LAGUARDIA. Will the gentleman give . me 25 minutes The manufacturer of cotton and woolen goods is vrotected; in the committee? all other manufactured products are safeguarded. Railroads Mr. TILSON. I shall not object to that. are allowed, through the Interstate Commerce Commission, a Mr. LAGUARDIA. :Mr. Speaker, I will modify my request tariff rate that protects them. Organized labor, through its that my 25 minutes may be used after the House resolves itself thorough and intelligent organizations, is well protected to-day. into the committee, and that is a proper request, because we The farmer complains that he is thwarted in his attempts to have always fixed the time for debate in the Committee of make an honest effort to regulate his affairs so that he can the ·whole. receive a living wage for his labor and a fair and just return The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York asks unani­ upon his investment, and he complains justly. mous consent that when the House resolves itself into Commit­ In my early manhood a certain principle appealed to me, tee of the Whole House on the state of the Uhion for the consid­ and it appeals to me now; the principle upon which civiliza­ eration of the agricultural bill he may be permitted to address tion and human intelligence is based. That the earth, through the committee for 25 minutes. Is there objection? toil, is made to produce sufficient wealth; if all shared equally Mr. HUDSON. 1\Ir. Speaker, a parliamentary inquiry. in their efforts to produce that wealth, the comforts of life The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. should be furnished to all so engaged. 1\Ir. HUDSON. If this request is granted, then can other And so this question arises, Is that production equally and Members of the House who did not get time during the gen­ equitably distributed to all the producers? The man engaged eral debate have the privilege of proceeding for 25 minutes? in agriculture says that it is not, and he is eminently correct. The SPEAKER. The gentleman does not state a parlia­ The gross value of all farm crops and products marketed in mentary inquiry. Is there objection? 1919 was $21,425,623,614, which was divided as follows in 1919: Mr. BURTNESS. Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to ob­ ject, does that mean before any section of the bill is read? AnimalsLivestock sold products------______$2,3, 667,511,050,000 072, 273 Mr. LETTS. Mr. Speaker, I object. There were a great Crops ______14,755,364,894 ForesL------394, 321, 828 many of us who were shut out in the same way. Kursery and greenhouse______97,884,219 Mr. LAGUARDIA. . But Iowa has had a great deal of time, while New York has had practically none. I make the point of In 1909 the gro s value of all farm crops and products mar­ no quorum, Mr. Speaker. keted was $8,494,220,307. 1\Ir. LETTS. We only had 28 minutes last night near the Let us look over the livestock :figures in the United States for close, when the House was almost empty. • the years 1915 and 1925 : Mr. KNUTSON. Will the gentleman from New York with­ hold his point of order a moment so that I may prefer a unani­ 1925 1915 mous consent request? Mr. LAGUARDIA. Mr. Speaker, I withhold it. · Number Value Number Value SPANISH WAR PENSION BILL Mr. K~UTSON. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to Horses______17,589,000 $1,107,248,000 21, 195,000 $2,190,102,000 have printed as a public document a digest of the bill (H. R. Mules______5, 411,000 457,697,000 4, 479,000 503,2n,ooo 8132) commonly known as the Spanish War pension bill. I Milk cows______25,319,000 1, 287,714,000 21,262,000 1, 176, 338, 000 will say to the minority leader, the gentleman from Tennessee Other cattle______39,609,000 970, 117,000 37,067,000 1, 237,378, ()()() Sheep______39,134,000 372,909,000 49,956,000 224, 687, ()()() [Mr. GARRETT], I have secured a statement from the Commis­ Swine ______------54,234,000 669,402,000 64, 618,000 612, 951, 000 sioner of Pensions which I will incorporate as a part of the document, as suggested by the gentleman the other evening. 1\ir. GARRETT of Tennessee. I had hoped the gentleman It will be seen from the above :figures that the number of might be able to have a formal ruling from the Secretary of livestock has changed materially upon the farm and to some the Interior. extent this has a bearing upon the crops. Mr. KNUTSON. The Secretary of the Interior has signed In the matter of horses the change in 10 years from 21,195,000 and approved the paper I am going to incorporate. to 17,589,000 in 1925 shows a loss of nearly 4,000,000 head. Mr. GARRETT of Tennessee. And that paper shows whether This is considerable in the loss of consumption of corn and hay. these increases are automatic 01r whether application must be The automobile has taken the place of the horse and increased made? the overhead expense of the farmer very materially. Mr. KNUTSON. Yes. In milk cows we see an increase of 4,582,000 head in 1925, Mr. GARRETT of Tennessee. May I ask what the state­ with a value increase of $102,376,000. ment shows in that regard? Other cattle have increased 2,542,000 head and decreased in Mr. KNUTSON. It states that under the bill they are auto­ value $267,259,000; and the 1925 value is shown as the lowest matic. return for cattle in the 10-year period. There is a decrease in The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Minnesota asks unani­ sheep of 10,822,000 head, and an increase in value of $148,- mous consent to print ·as a public document a digest of the 220,000. Hogs show a decrease of 10,348,000 head, an increase Spanish War pension act. Is there objection? in value of $31,923,000. There was no objection. It i'3 very apparent that while the population of the country has grown the animal products of the Nation are decreasing THE FARM PROBLEM AND REMEDIES in number. This is true except in the case of milk cows and Mr. MORROW. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to other cattle, which have materially increased in number, but extend my remarks in the RECORD upon the subject of farm not in value, the value in 1915 being $55.33 per head, against relief. _ $50.50 per head in 1925, this being the :figure for milch The SPEAKER. Is there objection? cows. 1.~ere was no objection. There can be no question but that orderly marketing of all 1\Ir. MORROW. 1\Ir. Speaker, the House has under consid­ farm products and the cutting out of the middleman wherever eration the three agricultural bills-H. R. 11603, known as the possible is largely the solution of the farmer's problem. Haugen bill; H. R. 11618, the Tincher bill; and H. R. 11616, The farmer's overhead expenses have become very important the Aswell bill. Like the Christian religious denominations factors in the returns fro!n his investment. The land values are striving for the same end, these bills have one purpose­ are too high to yield a return upon the investment, after the relief for the farmer-yet they are apparently arranged dif­ payment of taxes, hired help, the cost of marketing, and trans­ ferently to accomplish the purpose intended. Agriculture has portation charges are all taken care of, very little is left for a been termed the basic industry of the Nation; it is certainly just return on the investment. the mainstay of the Nation ; it is through the growth of agri­ The farmer's earnings are lower per year than any other culture that the Nation has been developed. individual employed or engaged in. business in the United The farmer has not always been prosperous in the Nation; States. The treport as set forth in the Haugen bill shows this: he has had his ups and downs, his high and his low prices, his That it ought to appeal to the Members of Congress to find good years and his lean years. His needs are many, and some solution for the plight of the American farmer. It is much can be corrected by the farmer himself, and it is indeed shown that from his labor and his investment the farmer earns doubtful whether legislation can assist him :yery materially. less than any othe~ worker in the country. 9218 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE MAY 11

After he• pays for his food, clothing, help, and other expenses A1:erage value per acre of plo·w la-nds ],[arch 1~ 1925-Continued be has nothing in return ; in fact, he is practically in debt. That there is no prosperity upon the American farm is appar­ State All Poor Good ent to every thinking person in the Nation. Can legislation ------so lYe this problem? There are some phases of the problem that $74 $49 $96 can be solved in time ; whether legislation can l."each the farm­ 123 82 Michigan ______======_= 153 er's problem, to prevent the greater portion of the returns from w~~~~---~== 57 35 75 75 49 97 his labor being absorbed by the middleman, and other charges, 73 54. 86 that take two-thirds of the price for which the prod­ ~=~~======:::::::::= == == 135 100 162 uct is sold to the consumer ; this is the main problem to be 63 42 81 so-lved. 31 22 37 ~~~Uffaii~~~======~======:======58 34 68 Certainly, production is no greater in the country now t.lutn 90 64 108 it was 10 years ago; the acreage employed in agriculture is no ~0~~~~:::-~~======Kansas ______------______.______54 37 69 TennesseeKentucky ______------____ ------______------__ _ 44 26 60 greater; the population has increased materially and should 46 27 65 absorb a large part of tlie farmer's surplus. Still the farmer's MississippiAlabama ______------______....______- ---- _ 28 18 37 returns are not sufficient, under the present purchasing po"Wer Louisiana ______24 16 34 of the American dollar, to enable him to operate his farm suc­ Texas______35 22 45 Oklahoma ______------______50 32 64 cessfully. Deflation in farm values, live tock values, the fail· Arkansas ______------______38 24 53 ure of banks, and the number of farmers who have gone through 1\f ontana ______32 20 34 19 12 28 bankruptcy indicate the ffurmer's plight: Wyoming ______------_ 25 13 37 Colorado ______------____ _ 48 24 68 p1'incipal of Ut~ited States~ by New l\1exico ______1'he ttco tann. m·ops the years 38 23 55 [From tables prepared by tbe Department of Agriculture] Arizona ______------______116 70 140 NevadaUtah_------______90 40 122 Idaho______78 45 90 Year Acres Bushels Value 68 44 90 Washington __ ------____ ------_ 80 45 103 Oregon_------_------_------California ______78 46 100 CORN 111 51 164 1913.------105, 820, 000 2, 446, 988, 000 $1, 692,092, 000 1914------1@,435,000 2, G72, 804, 000 1, 722) 070,000 Transportation and marketing charges should be remedied ; 1915------106, 197' 000 2, 994, 793, 000 1, 722, 680, 000 if l>ill 1916. ------105, 296, 000 2, 566, 927. 000 2, 280, 729, 000 the A. well offers a solution for this, by o-radually educat­ 1917------116, 730,000 3, 065, 233, 000 3, 920, 228, 000 ing the farmer and producer up to this point, it will go a long 1918.------107,494.,000 2, 582, 814, 000 3, 5281 313, 000 way in solving the farmer·s problem. l\Iy State, in the market­ 1919_------97,170,000 2, 811, 302, 000 3, 7EO, 597,000 1920.------101, 699, 000 3, 208,584,000 2, 150, 332,000 ing of livestock and in cotton, is not looking with favor upon 1921.------103, 740, 000 3, 068, 569, 000 1, 'l!J7, 213, 000 the Haugen bill, as now presented. 1922------102, 846,000 2, 906, 020,000 1, 910, 775, 000 There should be reciprocity with Mexico upon a broader 1923------104, 324, 000 3, 053,557,000 2, 217, 299, 000 1924.------105,012,000 2, 43e, 513, ooo 2, 405, 468, 000 field. l\Iexico is taking about two and one-half million bushels of our corn, and the shipper pays an export duty of 17 cents .ALL WHEAT per bushel. Should this duty be relieved it would a sist the 1913.------50, 184., 000 763, 380, 000 610, 122,000 producer very materially. 1914_ ------53,541,000 891,017,000 878, 680, oao 1915------60,469,000 1, 025, 801, 000 942, 303,000 The gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. KI~CHELOE] stated that 1916.------52,316,000 636, 318, 000 1, 019,968,000 only 5 per cent of the corn crop was exported; that the balance 1917------45,089,000 636, 655., 000 1, 278, 112, 000 was fed upon the farm. If only 5 per cent of this corn is ex­ 1918.------59,110,000 917, 100,000 1, 874, 623, 000 1919_------75,694,000 967, 979.000 2, 080, 056, 000 .ported, it would appear to me that 1\Iexico, which do-es not 1920.------61,143,000 833, 027. 000 1, 197, 263,000 produce in excess of 100,000,000 bushels per year, would be 1921.------63,696,000 814,905,000 754, 834, ()()() 1922.------62,317,000 867,598,000 873, 412,000 able to use a much larger quantity than we are now export­ 1923_------59,569,000 7'd7,381,000 735, 993, 000 ing to that country. With proper reciprocity laws with Mexico, 1924------54,209,000 872, 673, 080 1, 136, 595,000 letting in certain products w·hich the United States needs and which we can secure in .Mexico and which do not interfere The average farm wages since 1875 for a series of years with the products produced in the United State , a larger field indicate what is wrong, in part, with the e>..'J)enses of the for our surplus corn can be secured in that country. farmer. The same thing applies to wheat. According to figures from Look at these figures: the Depa1·tment of Agriculture for the year ending December

------~------~------31, 1925, 1,2.33,010 bushels of wheat were exported into Mexico, Average Average on .which an import duty was collected of 39.6 per bushel, wages wages United States currency, based on rate of exchange in force with without in May, 1926. Two hundred thousand six hundred and eighty board board barrels of flour were sent into Mexico during the same period, the duty being $3.88 per barrel in United State currency. 1875 ______$12.92 '19. 87 The chief exports from Mexico are oil, precious metals, coffee, 1885------12.34 17.W tobacco, hemp, si al, sugar, dyewoods, cabinet woods, and 1895 __ ------12.02 17.69 1 902 ______------16.40 22. 14 hides. In 1925 the imports from the United States were $146,- 1910_------19.21 27.50 833.521 ; the exports from Mexico to the United States were 1912------20.81 29.58 $1 5,109,260. Many of these articles are on the free list coming 1915 ______------21.26 30.15 into the United State ; others can be placed on the list without 19201919 ______------_ 39. 2 56.20 46.89 64.95 interfering in home production. 1925_ ------34.9! 48.55 This, in my opinion, is one step that can be worked out by Congress, as the Mexican tariff on corn and wheat is too high Average value per acre of plow lands Marcll 1, 1925 at the present time. In fact, they need a part of our surplus corn and wheat, as they can not produce it within their own State .All Poor Good country, And we need many of the products from Mexico upon which the Mexican exporter is compelled to pay a duty. The farmer should limit his crop production; there should be MaineNew Hampshire ______------______------_ $36 $21 $49 41 23 60 a principle of cooperative marketing toward the education of Vermont. _____ ------36 23 63 the American farmer; to restrict crop production and to change 70 MassachusettsIsland______------______---- __ ------_------_ 41 107 Rhode 91 56 115 his crops from overproducing corn and wheat to some other Connecticut ___ ------______------__ _ 60 34 90 crop that always has a market in the Nation. New York ______------__ _ 53 32 74 Iowa farmers, in my opinion, can produce upon their valu­ Pennsylvania_New JerseY------______------______84 49 108 able soil a much better crop return from the raising of sugar Delaware ______53 32 69 48 28 66 beet and the manufacture of sugar, for which there is a more 50 31 66 certain market in the United States, than in the production of ~:~~~==~=====~======~======12 28 58 corn. NorthWest Virginia Carolina ______------_ 38 24 55 South Carolina ______52 33 70 The same might apply to other agricultural States where Georgia______, ______38 24 52 there is a surplus of both wheat and corn. It is true that labor 25 17 36 Florida______33 18 48 will constitute a factor in the production of sugar beets, and it Ohio ______--_------_------70 4.8 91 requires much more labor than the growing of wheat and corn ; 1926 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9219 but certainly the surplus of wheat and corn can be limited in consideration· of the bill, and the ·question of germane ness the growing of other valuable crops where climatic conditions would, of course, be involved if an attempt was made to offer and the soil permit the same. either one of the bills at any other place except at the end of It would appear to me that of all the bills presented, in the reading of the Haugen bill. conjunction with other legislation heretofore had, that the Mr. CANNON. Then, in the opinion of the Chair, we need Aswell bill offers an opportunity to assist the farmer in pro­ not expect the Tincher bill or the Aswell bill to be offered as ducing a crop best suited for the marketing conditions of the a substitute for the pending bill until the last paragraph of country, and in cooperative marketing associations. Also, in the pending bill bas been read. intelligent plans for adjusting the supply and demand; in the The CHAIR~lAN. The Chair did not say that. withholding of crops and letting the supply come to market Mr. .CANNON. That is what we would like to know. The in proper quantities to be absorbed in a legitimate market and resolution says after the reading for amendment. cutting out the speculator and stock gambler in wheat and Mr. DENISON. If the Tincher bill or the Aswell bill are corn. In my opinion, this bill will assist Yery much in bringing offered as substitutes, it will be to the entire bill. As I under­ the farmer back to a sound business in connection with his stand the rule, the bill under consideration will ba ve to be agricultural pursuits. There should be loans advanced to the read and perfected before the substitute could be offered. farmer on as reasonable a basis as it is possible for the Gov­ The CHAIRMAN. Under the general rules of the House the ernment to give. The independence of the farmer should not Ohair will say that it is in order at the completion of the be destroyed; be should remain as he has always been con­ reading of the first section of the bill to offer an amendment in sidered-the most independent citizen of the Government. the nature of a substitute for the bill as a substitute for the first A POINT OF NO QUORUM section with the notice that if that motion is adopted a motion will be made to strike out the subsequent sections of the bill Mr. LAGUARDIA. 1\Ir. Speaker, I make the point of no when read. Of course, the question of germaneness would qUC!l' ~ll. . be involved in such an amendment as that. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York makes the 1\Ir. BEGG. I think the general understanding of the rule point of order that there is no quorum present. The Chair will was that the Haugen bill should be read and amended and at count. [After counting.] Two hundred and fifty Members are the end the other bills could be offered as a substitute. present, a quorum. Now, the question I would like to propotmd to the Chair is, FARM RELIEF Suppose the Tincher bill is offered as a substitute and adopted. Mr. HAUGEN. l\I.r. Speaker, I move that the House l"esolve 'Vben it is offered will it be offered as one amendment or will itself into the Committee of the Whole. House on the state of it be read under the five-minute rule with an opportunity for the Union for the further consideration of the bill (H. R. 11603) amendment or will it be voted up or down as one amendment? to establish a Federal farm board to aid in the orderly mar­ The CHAIRMAN. The rule does not provide for the read­ keting and in the control and disposition of the surplus of ing of either substitute bill by sections but in its entirety as agricultural commodities. an amendment. The motion was agll'eed to. 1\Ir. BEGG. Then there will be no amendment other than ·Accordingly the House resolved itself into the Committee of the regular amendment ·eligible under the rules for amendment. the Whole House. on the state of the Union for the further The CHAIRMAN. Any germane amendment will be in consideration of the bill H. R. 11603, with Mr. MAPES in the order. chair. Mr. BEGG. Under the same rule as if it was a simple The Clerk read the title of the bill. amendment? The CHAIRI\IAN. In accordance with the rule under which '11le CHAIRMAN. Under. the general rules of the House. the bill is being considered, general debate having closed, the 1\lr. BEGG. The bill proposed as a substitute then would be Clerk will read the bill. , read but once. Mr. CANNON. Mr. Chairman, a parliamentary inquiry. The CHAIRMAN. The substitute would be read as one The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will state it. amendment. Mr. CANNON. Mr. Chairman, the rule under which we are l\Ir. GARRETT of Tennessee. If I understand the situation, proceeding, like most special rules adopted by the House, is the Chair has stated correctly that it would be read as a susceptible of conflicting interpretations. The resolution pro­ whole, but after being read it would be subject to amendment be­ vides that the Tincher bill or the Aswell bill, or both, may be cause that would only be an amendment of the second degree. offered as substitutes for the pending bill. I would like to ask The CHAIRMAN. That is as the Chair understands it. if it will be in order to offer these bills immediately after the Mr. BARKLEY. The rule also provides that not only may reading of the first paragraph, or at any time during the read­ the bill be offered as a substitute for the Haugen bill but ing of the bill, or if they will be in order only at the conclu­ offered as a substitute for each other. The question that I sion of the reading of the bill. It may be of some interest would like to ask the Chair is if either one of the bills is to know just when we may expect these two bills to be offered as a substitute for the Haugen bill and the other a brought up. substitute for it, would the last amendment that was offered l\1r. ASWELL. They are coming up all .right. have to be voted upon fh:st? Mr. CHINDBLOM. Will the gentleman read that portion of The CHAIRMAN. The Chair is not sure he understands the rule? the gentleman from Kentucky, but he will say this, that if l\1r. CANNON. I have read the rule. either bill is offered and adopted as a substitute, that forecloses Mr. CIDNDBLQM. I mean for the information of the any further amendment. The Chair thinks that these questions Hou e. I do not have a copy before me, but my recollection is ought to be deferred and answered definitely when they arise the resolution does say something about when that motion may during the consideration of the legislation in the committee. be offered. l\lr. CANNON. Of course, the Chair is not required to The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Missouri includes answer hypothetical questions. But if one or two points are several items in his parliamentary inquiry, and perhaps it cleared up now it will save time later on. Under the provisions would be best to postpone any attempt to answer them defi­ of the rule the Tincher bill and the .A.swell bill are made in nitely until the questions are 1·aised directly in the committee. order, clause 7, Rule XVI, to the contrary notwithstanding; However, the Chair will now say that he does not think the that is, whether germane or not. I assume that the Chair rule prohibits the offering of any germane amendment at any holds that if the whole bill is germane any part of the bill is time during the consideration of the bill that it is in order. germane. Would it be in or.der to offer any part of the Tincher It does provide for the offering of the Tincher bill or the bill or any part of the Aswell bill in the course of the con­ Aswell bill at the conclusion of the consideration of the Haug~n sideration of the pending bill? bill, regardless of whether those bills are germane or not, under the general "rules of the House. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will rule on the germaneness Mr. CHINDBLOI\I. Will the Chair permit an interruption? of the amendments when they are offered. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. :Mr. CANNON. The rule provides that the proposed sub­ Mr. CHINDBLOM. If, however, either one of those bills stitutes are germane as a whole. Are we to infer that any is offered before the reading bas been concluded, the Chair section will be considered germane if offered separately as an might be called upon to rule upon the germaneness of those amendment to some paragraph of the Haugen bill? bills as amendments, so that the privilege of offering them, not­ The CHAIRMAN. The Ohair thinks not, if offered sepa­ withstanding the rule of germaneness, arises only after the rately. conclusion of the reading of the entire bill. 1\Ir. BLACK of New York. If either substitute is adopted, The CHAIRMAN. As the Chair stated, the rule does not will the substitute be read tmder the five-minute rule? prohibit the offering of any germane amendment during the The CHAIRMAN. It will not. 9220 CONG~ESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE ~fAY 11

The Clerk read the :first section of the bill, as follows: The result is that we have dumped into the hopper of this Be it enacted, etc.- . House three bills not even germane to each other ; in fact, in some respects, incongruous, incompatible, contradictory. The DECLARATIO~ OF POLICY most ardent supporters of one bill declare that they prefer to ~ECTION 1. It is hereby declared to be the policy of Congress to have nothing rather than either of the other bills. So, what enable producers of agricultural commodities to control a supply of are the rest of us to do? I was born and brought up on a such commodities sufficient to stabilize their market against undue and farm, and so have had considerable personal experience. I excessive fluctuations and to distribute the benefits and costs thereof represent a district that has a considerable number of excel­ to all producers of such commodities; to minimize speculation and lent farmers. However, neither from my own personal ex­ waste in marketing; to encourag-e the organization of producers of perience nor from observation of or information from others agricultural commodities into cooperative as ociations; to protect have I acquired ufficient knowledge of the subject to be able to domestic markets against world prices and assure the maximum bene­ say with absolute as urance which, if any, of these three bills fits of the tariff upon agricultural commodities; and to provide for the will serve the purpo e. · control and disposition of the surpluses of agricultural commodities, I have sat here during a week of debate and ha-ve beard a for the purpose of promoting the orderly marketing of agricultural number of excellent speeches. l\Iost of them-and I am free commooities in interstnte and foreign commerce. to say, the best of them-have been those describin'g the prob­ Mr. TILSON. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to lem that confronts us. The problem, however, wa fairly well proceed for 10 minutes in a discussion of the bill. known to everybody before the discussion began. The gen­ The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Connecticut asks ~leman .from New York [Mr. JACOBSTEIN] gave a very lucid, unanimous consent to proceed for 10 minutes. I there objection? mterestmg, and valuable statement of the problem. llis charts :Mr. BLACK of New York. Reserving the right to object, portrayed in graphic and very con-vincing form the facts and that would not cut off an amendment to this first section? difficulties of the situation, but he made no attempt to give a Mr. TILSON. It would not. solution. He is well known as an economist, and I could not The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? but hope that he would give us the benefit of some of his great There was no objection. ability in the explanation of the economic workings of the Mr. TILSON. Mr. Chairman, it wa my duty in my official· several bills. I wish that he might have told us what in his capacity as floor leader to have brought before the House for its judgment, would be the effect of the actual operation' of the consideration bill propo ing relief for agriculture. For several Haugen bill, for instance. However, he left us just as much in •:eeks I had held open a place on the legislative program for this the dark as most of the others who have poken to us. purpo e, and have done the best I could toward giving the House I confess my inabilit~ to forecast what would be the effect the amplest opportunity for the consideration of such legislation. of the working -out 1n actual 1Jractice of the everal bills. I I am glad that it is not a political matter, and that it has not have tried to figure out how the equalization feature would taken a political turn in the debate. Party lines seem to be work and have been Ull3.ble to convince my elf that in tlle forgotten in this matter, so that we are having the advantage end such a scheme would be helpful. I do not know tha.t I of the united, combined wisdom of all parties, and we surely fully understand ju t what would be the ultimate effect of need it. · all the provisions of the Tincher bill, though it seems to me Some criticism has been made of the rule by which the sev­ that some of the provisions of the bill will be helpful. With eral bills reported by the Committee on Agriculture are brought perfect frankness 1 may say that it seems to me to be the IJefore the Hired. These gentlemen from New York and those who represent · 1\Ir. BLACK of New York and 1\Ir. RAINEY rose. the cities here are going to vote against this bill; they are Mr. BLACK of Kew York. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amend- going to vote against all these bills. I have talked to them ment. . about it, and they say they are going to vote against them The CHAIRMAN. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from because they represent food-consumil_lg constituencies and be­ Illinois. cause their opponents in their primaries and in their elections l\lr. BLACK of New York. What is the request of the gen­ will say, "You voted for a bill that might raise the cost of food­ tleman from Illinois? stuffs to us, and therefore you a~e :p.ot properly representing l\Ir. RAINEY. I rise in opposition to the pro forma amend­ our district." In other words, they stand, all of them-and the ment. two \Yho have just spoken indicate that they do--for reducing 1\Ir. BLAC~ of New York. There is no pro forma amend­ the farmers of this country to the con~ition of the peasantry of ment pending. Europe. Mr. RAINEY. Then I make one. I move to strike out the l\lr. SCHAFER. Will the gentleman yield? la t word. l\Ir. RAINEY. Yes. Mr. BLACK or New York. 1\Ir. Chairman, I have a perfect­ Mr. SCHAFER. I represent a city district, but I do not ing amendment to submit. stand where the gentleman placed those who represent city The CII.AIRMAN. The gentleman from New York offers an dish·icts. I intend to vote for legislation for the· farmer. amendment, which the Clerk will report. Mr. RAINEY. I thrui.k the gentleman, and I would like to The Clerk reatl as follows : receive similar declarations from other gentlemep who rep­ Amendment offered by Mr. BLACK of New York: Page 1, line 8, resent city districts and who are big enough to vote for a bill after the word "to," strike out "all producers of such commodities" which will bring some relief to the f~rm constituencies of the and insert "all the people of the United States." rest of us. [Applause.] . Mr. BLACK of New York. l\lr. Chairman and gentlemen of 1\Ir. BL..~CK of New York. Will the gentleman yield? the committee, I have a very definite and helpful purpose in ~Ir. RAINEY. Yes. view in putting this language in the declaratory p01tion of 1\lr. BLACK of New York. Does the gentleman think that a the bill. I want the declaratory portion of the bill to read man who votes for a bill that plainly says to the court, "This that the bill is in the interest of all the people of the United is unconstitutional," is a friend of the farmer? States instead of a class. There is a legal background for this Mr. RAINEY. I think the amend.ment offered by the gentle­ suggestion of mine. Heretofore emergency legislation, stretch­ man is as sheer nonsense as I ever heard on the floor of this ing our powers right up to our constitutional limitations, has House. [Applause.] been justified on the theory that our extraordinary action is in Mr. BLACK of New York. I s11ggest to the gentleman that the benefit of all the people and not in the benefit of a class. he will improve his logic as well as the law and legislation if Emergency legislation has been justified largely on the theory he will read some cases in the Supreme Court on declaratory that it is in the benefit of all the people, considering all the statements in legislation. ~ people as vendees. l\Ir. RAINEY. I would not improve it by listening to the The bill, as it re~ds, makes the "\"'endors the subjects of bene­ gentleman from New York, but I might by studying the ~ther fit through the use of our extraordinary reserve powers, and I source of information he mentions. say to you gentlemen from the farmers that if you want this 1\Ir. BLACK of New York. That is where the gentleman got bill to stand up for two minutes in any court you will change his information. It is not original with him. the language of your declaration. There is no court in this 1\lr. RAI~TEY. I did not catch the last statement of the country that will stand for price-fixing legislation of an emer­ gentleman, btit I know it must have been a very witty remark. gency type that is in the interest of the vendor. It has never [Laughter and applause.] I hope I have now squared myself been tlone in this country or in Great Britain. If this bill is with the gentleman from New York for calling his amendment to stand up, it must not be for extortion by the farmers "sheer nonsense." I still adhere, however, to that statement. on the consumers, but for reasonable food prices for the con­ The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Illinois sumers. has expired. And now I have another purpose in view and that is my Mr. RAINEY. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to respect for the American Congress and for our form of gov­ proceed for 10 minutes more. ernment. As to this legislation I want to know, once and for '!'he CHAIRM~-\N. The gentleman from Illinois asks unani­ all, if we have ceased to be a Congress and have become a rural mous consent to proceed for 10 additional minutes. Is there soviet? Have we ceased to follow the preamble of the Consti­ objection? tution of the United States which requires us to legislate for There was no objection. the benefit of all the people and for the common welfare, or do Mr. RAINEY. I have listened during this debate to criti­ we exist as a rural soviet and say that the benefits of emer­ cisms of farm leaders. They have been called lobbyists, in­ gency legislation are for a class? And I warn you gen­ sidious lobbyists, and unsafe advisers. It has been said that tlemen from the farmers that if you do not change your lan- they represent improperly here some certain interests and "9224 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE MAY 11 vague charges are made that we are better off without them nard N. Baruch, who approves this Haugen relief ~bill and who and that they do not contribute anything to the solution of this has made valuable sugge lions in its preparation. .Mr. Baruch economic problem. In the time I now have I want to briefly is regarded as one of the great economists of the country. He review the farm leader hip we have had in the United States furnishes to the Democratic Party a very la1·ge part of th~ and to see what objectionable features you can find in it. meager sinews of war it is able to obtain. The grange movement was the beginning of the agrarian So we have some important Democratic support for the unrest in the United States soon after the Civil War, and that Haugen bill, and some support that may appeal to all of us Jed up to the Farmer's Alliance and the National People's on this side of the House before the congressional elections Party. The National People's Party, deri. ively called the proceed very. far. Populi ts, held a convention in 1892 in the city of Omaha, Mr. Peek served in his position during the war nearly two Nebr .. perhap the mofit enthusiastic convention ever held by years in the city of Washington. He paid his own expen es any party in the history of partie in the United States. They and received for his services a Treasury certiiicate calling for declared for certain propositions in their platform, and I am $1 from the Treasury of the United States, which he has going to tell you in a moment what they were. As a result ~f framed and which hang up in his study. You have been de­ those declarations they were denounced from one end of thiS nouncing him as a lobbyist and as unsafe and all that ort of country to the other as socialists, as communists, as unsafe in thing. For the distinguished and patriotic services be ren­ the uo-o-estions they were making. They were described as dered here during the war period he received the distinguished­ ignora~t Attention was called to the whi kers of Senator service medal conferred by the authority of the Congress of Peffer of Kansas ; to the alleged fact that one of them did not the United Stutes. He received other medals and in ignia wear ~ny ._ocl{S and they called him "Sockless" Jerry Simpson. conferred by other nations, and this was his entire reward, I knew him in the latter years of his life as the most ex­ and he was entirely satisfied with it. On account of his quisitely dressed man I had ever met. They described Mary distinguished service for his country and for our allied na­ Elizabeth Lease as coarse ancl manni h and disgusting. She tions he was made also a member of the Legion of Honor was the most accomplished woman orator of her generation. of France, of the Order of the Crown of Belgium, and of the Then we had Ignatius Donnelly there, a man of profound learn­ Order of the Crown of Italy. He is rendering now as im­ ing and of tremendous energy, and Gen. James .B. Wea~er, portant a service for his country as he rendered during the one of the most accomplished orators the English-speaking war. He is largely financing out of his own private fortune races ha-ve e-ver produced in all the history of the world. the movement for a betterment of farm conditions in the Now this is what they stood for. In the Omaha convention United States, and he is not a rich man, as we ordinarily use of the' National People's Party these were their platform pro­ that term. For hi reward so far he has only received criti­ vh;ions: cism and abuse, but this is always the lot of men who render Election of Senators by direct vote of the people; a great service in their generation for their fellow men. He Tile initiative and referendum ; towers high above tb,e little men who are abusing and criti­ The graduated income tax ; cizing him on the floor of this House. I have mentioned only The Australian secret-ballot system; the leaders of the farm movement who come from my own Desti·nction of alien land ownership; State. Eight hours for labor ; I am not defending those l\Iembcrs of Congress who are lead­ Postal savings banks ; ing the fight for the Haugen bill on the floor of this House Restriction of immigratlon; against the assaults which are being made upon them. They Loans to farmers from subtreasuries; can defend themselves much better than I could defend them, Government ownership of railroads; and if they see fit to do so. I do not consider it necessary for A circulating medium of $50 per capita. them to make any attempt to defend themselves. The failure of the great Agricultural Committee of the Ilou. e The e were the propositions contained in the Populist con­ to get together is due to the fact that these are great economic . vention platform of 1892. We do not have Government owner­ questions upon which there may well be a difference of opin­ ship of railro&ds, but we have absolute Government control of ion as to remedies. The question of distribution, the question railroads, and we have just passed through the House an of handling the surplw;;-the·e are important and complicated arbitration bill which is the very last word in arbitration. If questions. It is not surprising that there should be differences it fails, compulsory arbitration is the nert step, and if that of opinion. It is not surprising that we have three bills re­ fails and that will alway fail, Government ownership is the ported out by this committee and presented to the IIou. e for its next: We do not have loans to farmers from subtreasuries, con ~ideration . All of them are intended to meet the diffi­ but we have loans to farmers from the farm-loan banks we culties presented. have established throughout the counh·y, which amounts to I favor the Haugen bill. From my viewpoint it is the best the same thing. We do not have a circulating medium of $50 of the three. Farmers have enough opportunities. to borrow per capita, but we are fast approaching it. Then they had money. The Tincher bill, in its last analysis, simply gives less than $16 per capita and we now have $43. them an opportunity to add a hundred million dollars to the So every proposition that the Populists stood for in 1892 total farm indebtedness of the United States, which amounts bas now been practically enacted into law, and the time bas to $12,000,000,000. There is not half enough money in existence come when we ought to do justice to the great farm leaders in the United State to pay it, even if the farmers had all the of that period, because you do not want to repeal very many money there is and were in a position to apply it to their of these things, and they are not going to be repealed, whether indebtedness. you want to do so or not. The Aswell bill provides a better marketing system, perhaps, The leaders who have appeared here representing the vari­ than we now ha-ve, but it really gives us nothing that we do ous farm organizations of t11 country have been men who are not already now have. The Haugen bill will furnish imme­ sacrificing their time in order to come here. They are not diate relief. It provides a system for world di trilmtion of lobbjtists. By " lobbyist " we mean a man who is paid to be the farm surplus. It pro-vides a system for removing from here, who is paid to repre ent a certain interest. I know the market and storing, and for intelligently di ~ tributing an them. I have encountered hundreds of them during my period apparent farm surplus in any of the basic commodities it em­ of service here. braces. It gives to the farmer at once the benefit of the tariff From my own State we have here George N. Peek, of 1\foline, protection now enjoyed by industry. Personally, I would pre­ who can command in industry the very highest salaries that fer to see the tariff lowered in order to increa e the purQ.hasing are paid; but he has given it all up during the last two or power of the things we produce on our farms, but under this three year , and has been working out tbese propo itions for administration this can not be done, and I propose now to the r{!lief of the farmers. We have here from Illinois honest help the Republican Party keep their promises and make their old Sam Thompson, who is now at the head of the American tariff protection what tbey said it would be. It depends upon Farm Bureau Federation, whom I know, and Earl C. Smith, the Republican Party in this House, where they have such a who come · from my congressional district, and who is at the large majority, and in the Senate, where they al o have a head of the Illinois Agricultural Association-and Thompson majority, to carry out their promises. The Republican Party comes from near my home in Illinoi ~ -not one of them is re­ is now the responsible party, and there are a number of us on ceiving compen ation for his service. here in promoting farm this side who are going to help you keep your promises, and relief, but all oj. them are generously donating their time for if you do not do this with the 50 or more votes we will be able the common good. They are all practical farmers and live to give you, then God help the Republican Party in the ap­ on their farm . proaching elections. Mr. Peek came here during the war and gave up his profit­ It is surp1ising that you gentlemen from the cities who have able position in industry and took the place of commissioner these profiteering problems you discuss on tbe :fioor can not of finished products in the War Industries Board under Ber- accomp~ish something for yourselves. It is surprising that you 1926 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE · 9225 can not get together and frame up a co11structive proposition · price of the products produced in tb_eir own particular State. by which you might help your own communities. The farmers They would not be asking for it but for that purpose. are not respon ible for the high prices you pay for foodstuffs. So, then, in so far as this bill is concerned, it is not a question The farmers do not live in your cities; if they did, they could as to whether you are going to have a high or a low tariff, but run them much better, evidently, than you are able to do. The rather the proposition is laid down that, no maher what Con­ Congress can not legislate for the cities. We can not in this gre s determines shall be the exact tariff rate, whatever it is, body pass laws that will meet the conditions of which you be it high or low, such rate is to be reflected back into the complain in New York City and in the other cities. You must price given to the producer of the product. do that for yourselves in the States where you live. The rea­ Now, I want to make it plain, representing as I do a part . ons you haYe gi'ven for your refusal to do anything to keep of the great spring-wheat country, that there are some provi­ the farmers of America from sinking to the level of the pea ant sions in the Haugen bill which we have not a ked for and farmers of other countries of the world are absolutely unten­ which I do not want to try to defend, although I admit that able. You can reduce your own livin" costs and eliminate your strong arguments can be made on their behalf, at least by way own profiteer by securing proper legislation in your own of excuse. Personally I have taken the position in my St~te States for your own citie . The farmers are not .in a posi­ that representing the producers I was not going to ask Con­ tion to do it for you. The farmers are not responsible for your gress for one single thing that other sections of the Nation own admitted incapacity to properly govern your cities. have not received from the counh·y and from Congress, but that The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Illinois I do want whatever other ection · and other producers enj{)y. bas again expired. The question is on the amendment offered I therefore do not plead, and our people have not pleaded, for a by the gentleman from New York. sub idy. We do, however, feel that we are entitled to govern­ The question was taken ; and on a division (demanded by Mr'. mental machinery making it possible to sell our surplus at BLACK of New York) there were 4 ayes and 60 noes. world prices without al. o selling that part used in domestic So the amendment ·was rejected. · consumption at the same price. We are willing to stand the 1\Ir. BURTNESS. Mr. Chairman, I mo\e to strike out the loss ourselves on the export, but want the tariff reflected in the last word, and I a k unanimous consent that I may proceed price of that used by American consumers. That is the prin­ for 15 minute . ciple we are standing on and have stood on. With that in The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the mind, you need not ask me whether I defend the so-called sub­ gentleman from North Dakota? sidy, as you have termed it, which is included in this bill, There was no objection. although I think I could, if I had the time, establish the fact 1\lr. BURTNESS. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the House, that there is not a very great difference between a direct sub­ it is obviously impossible to diEcu s in detail any or all of sidy such as is included in this bill and some indirect subsidies these bills in 15 minutes, and I hope to use most of my time \Vhich are provided by other laws, where the money does not in answering some of the objections that have been raised to come directly out of the Treasury of the United States. I do, however, want to make a suggestion, and I make it the so-called Haugen bill. seriously. I make it for the earnest consideration of the mem­ Before doing that, however, I want to emphasize some fea­ bers of the Committee on Agriculture and for other Members tures which ha\e been discussed on the floor, but which, I who want to get a principle established. Would it not be advis­ believe, are not fully under tood by the membership of the able, would it not be better, for tho e of us who believe strongly House. Let me bring it home to you all that the Haugen bill in this kind of legislation to come upon the floor of the House, in its fundamentals amounts simply to the establishment of a when debate under the five-minute rule is ended and the bill device which will make the tariff operati\e in the price that has been· perfected, with a bill as to which no one can say that is paid the producers of certain specific farm crops a'bd prod­ the agricultural sections of the country are actually asking for uct , of which we generally have an exportable surplus. ·That a direct subsidy from the Treasury Department? [Applause.] is all it amounts to in its fundamental principles. 1\lr. JOHNSON of Texas. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman 1 made the statement in my speech on the agricultural yield? problem about a month ago that the tariff is not an end in Mr. BURTNESS. Yes. itself, it is not something put on the statute books simply for Mr. JOHNSON of Texas. Is the gentleman going to offer ot· the purpo e of getting a tariff written into the law. It yields support an amendment to make the equalization fee effective at a revenue, it is true, but as w ed it is also a means to another once? • end. It is the means which has been adopted by this country, 1\lr. BURTNESS. I shall strongly support such an amend­ generally speaking, for the development of industry within ment, if it is offered. Why not impose the equalization fee at our borders for the purpose of making this country almost once upon all crops with the exception of cotton? It is proper independent of the rest of the world, and for the purpose of to leave out cotton because of the simple fact that there is no -maintaining in the United State certain living standard3 tariff thereon, and it is doubtful whether an equalization fee above foreign standards for producers, whether farmers or can work without some tariff. Why not eliminate the $375,- men employed in the factories and in the mines. That is the 000,000 provision that is found in the Haugen bill? general and specific purpose of a protective tariff, and an in­ Its enactment might mean a new revenue law increasing cidental purpo e of even tariffs for revenue only. In looking taxes. Why not take the administration and the leaders of over the entire field we find with reference to a few crops this administration at their word, when they say, as I assume that the tariff does not accomplish that particular end, and they have said by the introduction of the Tincher bill and so this bill, as a permanent fundamental proposition, askn its backing by the Secretary of Agriculture, that they are will­ that Congress recognize that fact and asks for a device which ing to spend $100,000,000 for the purpo ·e of as isting agri­ will make the tariff operative as to wheat, hogs, cattle, prod­ culture? No one can then charge us with raiding the Treas­ ucts thereof, · and on cotton if a tariff is e>er put on it; that ury. Why not use that $100,000,000 for two or three pur­ is, on. certain basic crops in the same way as it is to-day opera­ poses, and let me make some suggesthms in respect to that, tive on most of the things produced in the factory and in the although I do not want anyone to think that I am wedded same way a it to-day operates on certain crops of which wool, only to these suggestions and would consider no other . Let sugar, and flax are clear examples. us furnish $50,0007000 of it to t)le cotton people by way of a Now, I want to say to those on the Democratic side of the sort of loaning fund, or for that matter, I would not object aisle, and particularly to those of you who have said that this seriously, if it were as contemplated by the Haugen bilL recognizes the protecti\e tariff principle that I do not see it that lly preference would be that the money be used by the cotton way at all. It seems to me that it simply recognizes that what­ people as loans for the purpose of marketing their crop and ever tariff is in exi tence for the time being, whether it be a high stabilizing their prices. We can think back in our experience protective tariff, or a low protective tariff, or a tariff for rev­ with the War Finance Corporation, that the gentleman from enue, or some other form of tariff, no matter what it is, that Ohio [Mr. BRANDl could so well tell you about, as be was one the tariff written on the statute books of the country, that is of it directors, and we can by it ascertain what can be done the law of the country, should be reflected into the price paid with considerable money loaned for the purpose of stabilizing the producer of the product. cotton prices. The plan was successful then and would be

Of course, men like the gentlemen from Texas, Mr. HuDSPETH now. I would say that at least $2G1 000,000 of the other $50,- and Mr. BLANTO~. have time and again said on the floor that 000,000 should be used as a temporary loan fund to tbi'3 board whenever a tariff law is written they are going to be on the in the establishment of the various equalization funds. job and get a tariff on the products raised in their State the Of course, the board gets no money from the equalization fee same as producers from other States are looking for a tariff. until the craps are marketed, until these equalization certifi­ .What do they want it for? Of course, they want it in order cates are paid for. Every cent of the loan should go back to to get the tariff rate that may be established reflected into the the Tr~asury ~s soon as the money becomes available from the L..."\VII-581 9226 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE MAY 11 equalization fee. I would use the other $25,000,000 by way of 1\lr. BURTNESS. Oh, well, that is for the committee to say. loan funds just as intended in the Haugen bill, as it is drawn .1\lr. VESTAL. For 10 additional minutes. now to other smaller cooperative associations. I have not such The CHAilll\f.Al.~. The gentleman from. Indiana ask unani­ grea.'t faith in these loans, but think they would be of ~orne mous consent that the gentleman's time be extended for 10 practical help. We would then go before the country With a minutes. Is there objection? [After a pause.] The Chair proposition of which we need not be ashamed and no one could hears none. say that we are a. king for a direct subsidy from the Treasury. Mr. BURTNESS. l\Ir. Chairman, I assume that a number of l\lr. WILLIA~I::s of Illinois. Mr. Chairman, will the gentle­ you gentlemen own farms. If you do, I ask this que tion. man yield? Are you not producing on the wlwle upon tho ·e farms just as Mr. BURTNESS. Yes. much to-day as you can produce? ram not asking whether Mr WILLIAMS of Illinois. If the change should be made in you are producing as much as you can of any one particular the p.ending bill as suggested by the. gen~leman, th~ legis~atio_n crop. In my case I produce every kind of small grain and would then be in substantially the Identical form m which 1t stock-wheat, flax, rye, barley, oats, corn, hogs, and produce Wfl.S submitted to the Committee on Agriculture by the repre­ cattle and dairy products. Can I increase my wheat acreage sentatires of the farm organizations that came before us. without reducing the crop of some· of these other things? That Mr. BURTNESS. I so understand. I am also convinced, as is out of the question. Can I increase my hog pro per cent of of wheat. the money provided for in the bill as it is introduced. The Remember, this acreage is now in other and, generally speak­ su"gestcu amount that I have given would give you 50 per cent ing, more profitable crops. It is in alfalfa and diver.:.ifie

In the general debate on this bill it was charged that but­ to the existing tariff law we could not guarantee him an in­ ter, cattle, and swine were incorporated therein merely for the crease, as had been done for others, but that it was only hoped purpose of getting -rotes for the bill from Congressmen repre­ for as a 1·esult of "orderly marketing." It will be the con e­ senting districts where such commodities are produced in large quences and not the cause thereof that will most deeply concern quantities. Such charge appears to be true, since in the hear­ him. ings on the bill, which consumed about seven weeks, there was There is no assurance under the terms of the bill that the an absence of testimony disclosing any necessity for the in­ price of cotton would be increased one penny. It is the belief clusion of such products. of the advocates of the bill that an increa e would result in The gentleman from New Jersey [Mr. FonT], a member of abnormally large crop years by the board assisting the pro­ the Agricultural Committee and an economist of recognized ducers of cotton in controlling the quantity in excess of the ability-and who, by the way, delivered a very able address requirements for " orderly marketing," but as to whether or on the floor of this House opposing the bill-made an unan­ not such result will follow would depend-if the bill be work­ swerable argument why cattle and swine should not be in­ able--entirely upon whether or not there was an excess and cluded in the bill. Among other things, it was shown that the upon the adminish·ation by the Federal farm board created bill as framed would benefit the packers equally as much if by this act. not more than the producers of the e commodities. The Tbe board would have the right to exerci e the widest dis­ packers are already charging abnormally high prices for meats, cretion as to what constituted "orderly marketing," and what and the passage of this bill would enable them to still further quantity of cotton, in their judgment, would be in excess of raise their prices thereon. The consuming public would pay such requirements-the determination of a surplus and the ex· ~till higher prices for meats and the producers thereof would tent, if any, of assistance to be rendered to producers of cot­ receive scant, if any, benefits. Wben cattle and hogs were at ton, all these being matters left entirely to the discretion of the lowe t ebb in prices the packers, who have a monopoly in tbe board, there being no definition or limitation thereof under the sale of meat in the United States,· and who seem to be the terms of the bill. An abuse of discretion against the upheld in this monopoly by the present Republican adminis­ cotton producers in any of these particulars would not be sub­ tration, did not reduce the prices to the consuming public. ject to review. Texas leads all other States in the production of cattle, and This board would be composed of 12 members, only 3 of it is my understanding that the cattle raisers of that State are whom will be from sections that produce cotton. The other demanding that cattle be omitted from the bill. and my col­ 9 members would be chosen · from nonproth conventions- Mr. JOHNSON of Texas. If it was a bona fide farm organi- And so forth. The purpose of my amendment is twofold: zation my amenTdme?t would in~lude.. it, otherwise it would not. First. to make sure tllat the law is clear, as is intended by Con- ! ~Ir1 s;rEvE~Sns, but certainly not the other. My amen?ment IS essen­ selection with the various organizations of the farmers than tiallr nec~ ~ sary to preven! the Secretary of Agrt~ulture's. ab1_1. e to vest this pow~r in the Secretary of Agriculture. My amend- ?f d~c:;cretion, !lnd. to P~OVlde th~t he shall act Without discnm­ ment seeks to correct the vice in the bill where it prescJibes matwn and Will give h .~ auth?~Ity to act only when he d~s so. what organizations shall have a right to vote. It uses the 1 M:. HUDS~ETH. Mr. Chauman, I call the gentleman s at- conjunctive ,, and." It reads: · tention to this fa~t: The gentleman from New Jer:·ey [1\lr. . , FonT] calls attention to page 22 of the bill. The definition The members of the c~nn~ll from each dfst~ict sha.l~ be ele~ted by there is that embraced in a certain act. We do not know what t~e bona fide far~ ~rgamzations and cooperative as ·oc1atlons m such corporations were embraced in that act. We have not the ell strict 8 t a con' en twn- I Capper-Volstead Act before us. .And so forth. If the word ''or" was u ed, my amendment ., Mr. JOHNSON of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I am very glad might not be necessary. that my colleague has called attention to that because I think That languag~ w.ould be cap~ble of the co~truction that 1 that language, since I have more closely exami~ed it, makes my the fa1·m orgamzatwns to be given representation should be amendment even more neccf.:::;ary than before, becau e that SN'­ not only farm organizations but also "cooperative association ~ ." tion confines the "cooperatiYe aR~t1ciations" to tho:;:e that The language of the amendment I offer provides that all b~na baye been heretofore licensed, de:ignated, and rec~onized by 9236 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 1\IAY 11 the law and my amendment is to give every organization, shall have no voice in this organization which has to do with whether' it has been heretofore recognized or not, some voice. the fixing of prices? l\Ir. SCHAFER. The gentleman's jlmendment merely gives l\Ir. McLAUGHLIN of Nebraska. No matter how great or some of the 70 per cent of the farmers which Mr. llEGG was small that organization is, if it is a bona fide farm organization talking about something to say in regard to this matter. it is covered in the bill. l\Ir. JOHNSON of Texas. That is the purpose of the amend- Mr. LOZIER. Mr. Chairman, this bill on page 22 refers to ment. cooperative associations as defined by what we call the Capper- l\Ir. BURTNESS. Mr. Chairman, will tbe gentleman yield 7 Volstead Act. This act defines what is a cooperath'e associa­ :Mr. JOHNSON of Texas. Yes. tion; namely, an organization of producers in which more than l\Ir. BURTNESS. The definition includes both cooperative 50 per cent of the commodity handled is produced by members marketing associations as defined in the Capper-V~lstead Act of such association; and with that statutory definition as to as well as others, provided they come within the defim~i~n found what ~onstitutes a cooperative marketing association, would on page 22, and then we hav-e in section 2 a prov1s1on t~at not any farm organization producing more than 50 per cent those members shall be elected by the bona fide farm orgamza- of the commodities it handles come clearly within the pro- tions and cooperative associations. visions of this act without any further definition? l\lr. JOHNSON of Texas. I read and explained that a while l\lr. McLAUGHLIN of Nebraska. I so understand it. Jg~ ' The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered :.\1r. BURTNESS. I could not understand the gentleman s by the gentleman from Texas. contention as to why any of these organizations the gentleman The question was taken, and the Chair announced the noes ha in mind are not included within the designated bona fide appeared to have it. farm organizationS.. On a division (demanded by Mr. JoHNSON of Texas) there Mr. JOHN 0~ of Texas. I call the gentleman's attention to were-ayes 33, noes 57. the fact that if a disjunctive" or" bad been used there his con- So the amendment was rejected. tention might be sound, but coupled with the language "bona M1·. NEWTON of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I offer an fide farm organizations" and the conjunctive "and" taken to- amendment. O'ether they are capable of the construction which is limited The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the amendment. ~nly t~ those that are cooperative organizations. The Clerk read as follows: 1\lr. CARTER of Oklahoma. ·what the gentleman contends is Amendment by Mr. NEWTO~ of Minnesota: On page 2, beginning in that they would have to belong to both the cooperative orga.~- line 9, strike out section 2. zation · and the farm organizations before they could partlcl- Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota. l\lr. Chairman, this is a mo· pate? tion to strike out the entire section which contains the provi- Mr. JOHNSON of Texas. Yes. · 'd' f th tt' f th F d 1 f Mr. LOWREY. \Yhy not amend by cutting out the language ~~~~~~OVl mg or e se mg up 0 e e era arm advisory "and cooperative associations" in line 14, page 2? SUM"IERS f W h' t M Ch 1 · 1\trr·. JOHNSON of Texas. I think that possibly might do, Mr. · ~' 0 as mg on. r. a rman, a parha· c~. mentary inquiry. Has the section been read? but in view of other portions of the bill I think it is best to The CHAIRMAN. The section has been read, and the gen· leave it as it has been drawn. Aside from that, this amend- tleman can not take the gentleman from Minnesota off his feet ment will do one thing if it does nothing more. It says to the by a parliamentary inquiry. Secretary of Agriculture, "You shall not discriminate in ex- Mr. HASTINGS. I did not get the amendment. ercising the judgment and discretion herein conferred upo~ you, l\lr. NEWTON of Minnesota. It is to strike out the section. ann you shall give equitable recognition and rep~·esentatwn to The duties of the council are set forth in the next section. all organizations alike," and that is what I think .we want. Two duties are conferred upon this council: First they are to That is the intention of Congress. Let us eJ..-press It affirma- meet, cooperate with the board, and make recommendations as tively so that there can be no question about it hereafter. set forth in paragraph 5 of section 3; second, they nominate The Federal board created by this act is to exercise the to the President three individuals from each of the 12 dis­ greatest power e"\'er conferred upon any branch of the Gov- tricts for appointment to the Federal Farm Board. Selections ernment with reference to agriculture. It will hold in its hand are made by the members from each district. If no one else tl.J.c life·and death of that great industry, and if we are to pass does I shall offer an amendment to strike out this power to a law conferring such vast power, let us be sure that its pro- make these nominations. I believe the President should not be visions are so broatl, plain, and comprehensive that every bona required to choose from this restricted field of nominees. fide farm organization in the land shall at least have some If they do not have the power to nominate, this board has slight "\'Oice in the initial proceedings nominating candidat~s practically nothing else to do but to meet once a year or such from whom the President shall name the members of this other times as they may want to get together and to make board. [Applause.] recommendations. Under those circumstances I do not think l\Ir. McLAUGHLIN of Nebraska. 1\Ir. Chairman, I rise in the board serves any useful purpose. Now, on yesterday the opposition to the amendment. The bill is very clear in its gentleman from Iowa [l\1r. RAMSEYER] called attention to 71 wording. In every place where "farm organizations" are re- legislative precedents whereby Congress bad placed certain re· felTed to the words "and cooperative associations" follow. If strlctions upon the right of the Executive to make appoint­ it had b~en intended that cooperatives and farm organizations ments. With the excepton of one, they were in no wise in were meant to be one and the same, the bill would have stated point. Congress can restrict the power of the President by "farm organizations which are cooperative associations." prescribing certain general qualifications or standards provid­ There is no chance of mistaking this language. On pa_ge 22 the ing the President is given the right to choose from those who definition of a cooperative is fully given. It was the purpose of are within the qualifications and are therefore qualified. The the committee to have the Secretary of Agriculture designate case in point was the Railway Labor Board. That provision those who would be eligible to vote on this particular proposi- has never been tested in the courts. It is the only case in tion who are members, both farm organizations and coopera- point that I know that board has proven unsatisfactory. It tives. It seems to me that the committee has been broad is an example that in my judgment ought not to be followed. enough in its inclusion of this language. If you are going to 1\ir. BURTNESS. Will the gentleman yield? mo(lify it as suggested by the gentleman from Texas, you may Mr. NEWTO~ of Minnesota. In just a moment and I will have a ituation where any little local organization of farmers, be glad to yield. Therefore, if we take the position that the who might cooperate, for instance, in buying a corn sheller or President of the United States ought not to have this board a threshing machine and pass it m·ound among themselv-es, dictate to him as to whom he shall appoint, if we take that would be eligible to membership and have opportunity to vote position, giving him a free rein, there is not any reason what· on the composition of this board. I am informed that there are e"\'er why we should retain this advisory council. We should something like 12,000 different organizations throughout the save quite an item of expense, which would be paid out of country, some of them very small. Certainly the gentleman the equalization fund. This would e"\'entually come out of does not intend to include all of these 12,000 petty organiza- the farmer. It seems to me that it ought to be eliminated tions in the selection of the board. from the bill. l\Ir. JOHNSON of Texas. I do intend, and I think it would I now yield to the gentleman. be nothing but right, that every organization, whether its mem- j Mr. BURTNESS. The gentleman refened to the organiza· bership be great or small, should have some representation. Of tion of the Railway Labor Board and rather inferred that, course, they would not have equal representation, for it would because three members of the board are appointed by the oper­ depend upon its membership, and my amendment is so drawn ators and three labor members are appointed by labor organ­ as to require equitable representation. Does the gentleman izations and three by the public, that is the reason why it did · think it would be right because an organization is small that it not function. Of course, the gentleman did · not mean that. 1926 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9231 He was rather referring to the injustice, perhaps, of putting by and with the advice and consent of · the Senate, from the indi­ three of the various elements upon the board; namely, the viduals nominated by the council and appoint~d from States within public, the operators, and labor. Surely-- · each of the following groups of Federal land-bank districts : One from Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota. That was only one ~actor districts Nos. 1 and 2; one from districts Nos. 3 and 5; one !rom entering into it, but it illustrates this, that we set up m . the districts Nos. 4 and 6; one from districts Nos. 7 and 8 ; one from Railway Labor Board two distinct groups as repres~ntabves districts Nos. 9 and 10; and one from districts Nos. 11 and 12. of their distinctive groups. We restricted the President so Mr. KETCHAM. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the com­ that he could only appoint from nominees of those groups. mittee, I wish the members of the committee would first give The. scheme has not worked out satisfactorily, and we are attention to the simple amendment now pending. now changing it. The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the amendment. l\!r. BURT~TESS. But in this case you are not sett~ng up The Clerk read as follows : three groups of conflicting interests, but you a~e setting up -a board representing one group presumably havmg the same Amendment offered by Mr. KETCHAM : Page 4, lines ·25 and 26, general interest. Is not that the fact? · strike out the word " district " in each ·line and insert in lieu thereof Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota. There would not be a conflict the word " districts." like we have seen between the railroad management and the Mr. KETCHAM. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the com­ railroad workmen, but you yiolate the principle. You restrict mittee, the amendment which I have now presented and the the President of the United States i_n the appointment to an one which I intend to pre ent when the other ection is reached office so that he must appoint one of three that are dictated by if this amendment pre\ails, I regard as very material. You a special group from a special . geo_graphical regio~ ?f the will recall that section 4 provides for the set up of a board country. In making these ll?mmatwns the counc1~ 1s . not of 12 members. My idea is that this board should be reduced governed by any pro·ri ion laymg dow~ general ~ua~rf~.cations from 12 to 6, and I want to point out very briefly the reason~ of the nominees. They are free to nommate any md1ndual. for the amendment which I propose. Mr. BURTNESS. Do you call this strictly a public office, First, I do it upon the core of economy. You will find that these appoinbnents to be made under this section? · each one of the e board members is provided with a salary Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota. I ha,ve not investigated that, of $10,000. .That would re ult in the sanng of six members but they must be public officers: The boa:d members dra~_V of the board in the fir t instance, and save 60,000 for other money out of the Treasury. They are appomted by the Presi­ uses of the board. However, with each one of the members dent by and with the advice and consent of the Senate. They of this board there always goes a very considerable expense must be public officers. in the way of secretaries and stenographers and office rentals 'l'he CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Minne­ and other expeuses, which the chairman of the Committee on sota ha expired. The question is on agreeing to the amend­ Appropriations informs me amount in the total to more than ment offered by the gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. NEWTON], the salaries received by the board members. ·Now, the chair­ to strike out the section. . man of the Committee on Appropriations authorize me to say The question was taken, and the amendment was reJected. that he believes that the estimated expenses involved in the The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read. salary and clerk hire and rental and all that goes along with The Clerk read as follows: each member of the board would aggregate $25,000. There­ DUTlES OF COUNCIL fore, the· amendment which I am proposing makes, in the first SEC. 3. (a) The council shall- place, a saving . of $150,000. Therefore I present my amend­ (1) Meet and organize as soon as practicable after the passage of ment in the interest of economy. this act and select a chairman, secretary, and such other offic•·rs as In the next place, I present my amendment in the name of it deems necessary. efficiency. You check over the important boards under the (2) Nominate to the President three individuals from each of the Government and you will find that in any one of a number of 12 Federal land bank districts, eligible for appointment to the board. them in our Go\ernment, possibly with a single exception, (3) Meet thereafter at least once in each year at a time and Place the members do not number as many as 12, the number in this designated by the Secretary of Agriculture; or upon a petition duly set-up. The Federal Farm Loan Board is made up of six signed by a majority of the members of the council at a time and members, and if you take a number of other boards you will place designated therein. find that the membership ranges from 3 to 4, or 5, or 6, or 7, (4) Nominate in accordance with the provisions of section 4 three and in the case of the Inter tate Commerce Commission it runs individuals to fill any vacancy occmring in the board. to 11 members. Not only is this amendment in the interest (5) Submit to the board such' recommendations, and cooperate with of economy but in my judgment it is certainly in the interest the board in such manner, as the council deems most elfective to of efficiency; and for what reason? Because the duties of this carry out the purposes of this act. board are primarily administrative, and when gentlemen on (b) The individuals to be nominated to the President for appoint­ these boards sit around· the table more time will be expended ment to the board from any district shall be .selected by the members in talking when you have 12 members than when you have 6. of the council from such district. Any man who has been associated with such boards will tell you that better work is obtained when you have 6 members l\Ir. KETCHAM:. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. than if you have 12, with less difference of opinion and less The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from .Michigan offers an debate. amendment, which the Clerk will report. The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Michigan - Mr. KETCHAM. 1\Ir. Chairman and gentlemen of the com­ has expired. mittee-- Mr. KETCHMI. l\Iay I ask unanimous consent for five 1\lr. DOWELL. 1\lr. Chairman, we first want to have the minutes additional? amendment read. The CHAJRMA...~. I there objection to the request of the ~Ir. KETCHili. The amendment is not at the Clerk's gentleman from l\lichigan? de k. If the gentleman will withhold, I will explain to him. There was no objection. 1\lr. DOWELL. The gentleman is out of order if he has .Mr. KETCHAM. It has often been said that the efficiency not an amendment. The amendnient must be placed in \Yriting. of the Hou e of Representatives could be increa ed if the m~m­ 1\lr. KETCHAM. This can not be placed in writing, for the ber~hip were cut in two. I leave that to you. But it ne,er­ simple reason that it simply adds the letter "s" to the word thele s is true that the larger the board, the less the efficiency, " district" in lines 25 and 26. _If that amendment prevails and the tendency is to talk more and do less. Therefore my I will present later on, when section 4 is read, another amend­ amendment is not only in the interest of economy but also of ment, the purpose being to change the membership of ~e board efficiency. from 12 to 6. I now a k unanimous con ent that this amend­ In the third place, what is the real question that we are now ment be read for the information of the committee. attempting to weigh here? Is it a quePtion of having 12 men, The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Michigan offers an each with a salary of $10,000, or is it the real, vital, essential amendment to be read for the information of the committee. thing that that board hall do its work well? Now, mark this Is there objection? statement carefully, my friends. There \vas no objection. A little bit later in the bill you will find that $300,000 is The CHAIRUAN. 'Ihe Clerk will ·read the amendment pro­ provided for the expenses of this board. That ~s to pay posed for the information of the committee. salaries and all the incidental expenses that we call m general The Clerk read as follows: term.· overhead expenses. Just bear this in mind-$300,000. Amendment offered by :llr. Kl.'TCHHI, for information: Page 5, line 4, If $150,000 of that is saved in alaries and the unnecessa1·y ex­ strike ouf an after the word " of ': through line 8, and insert in lieu penses that go along with tho e 1p.en, _will not 150,000 ~ore thereof the following: " Six members, appointed by the President, be used for the real vital work of this board? I submit to 9238 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE MAY lf you gentlemen that that Is an argument worthy of your con­ Mr. BURTON. l\Ir. Chairman, the object of this amend­ sideration. ment is to strike out subsections 2 and 4. Subsection 2 gives Now, finally, I maintain that this is not only an amendment authority to the Federal farm council to nominate to the that speaks for economy, for efficiency, and for an increased President three individuals in each of the 12 Federal land­ appropriation for the real work of the board-which is not bank districts eligible for appointment to the Federal farm merely the multiplication of officers-but if the number is re­ board. Subsection 4 gives them authority to nominate, in duced just by that measure will it reduce the political com­ accordance with the provisions of section 4, three individuals plexion of this board. The larger your board and the wider to fill any vacancy occurring in the board. The provision in its ramifications the greater temptation for manipulation and regard to the substitution of numbers is merely to provide· for trading, to the end that these men, who get into these fine the renumbering of the sections which would be necessary positions, may mutually place themselves and continue them­ because of tlle omission of these two subdivisions. The amend­ sel Yes in office. ment also proposes to strike out, at the bottom of the page: So I say, members of the committee, that this amendment (b) The individuals to be nominated to the President for appoint­ and the one that shall follow it, if it is favorably received, is ment to ~he IMard from any district shall be selected by the members in the interest of economy, efficiency, and of advantage to the of the council from such district. work of the board itself; and it will, to a large degree, elimi­ nate the temptation to indulge in so much political trading as This House must face without evasion the question raised is sometimes done in connection with other positions. by the proposed creation of this council to nominate eligibles 1\Ir. FUNK. 'Vill the gentleman yield? from whom the President must make a selection. If we adopt 1\lr. KETCIIAM. Yes. the provision as contained in the bill we are entering upon a 1\Ir. FUNK. Did the gentleman vote to amend the Federal long road which means very serious consequences. I have no reserve act to increase the membership by one additional doubt that the farming communities, as represented by the member? cooperatives and other agricultural associations, would act as 1\Ir. KETCHAM. I did; and for this reason: Simply because wisely and as intelligently as any other class of our population. agriculture was not represented upon that board. But the Constitution vests the power of appointment in the 1\lr. RUBEY. Will the gentleman yield? President, with certain exceptions, such as subordinate officer· Mr. KETCH~1. Yes. who may be cho en by the President, with the advice and Mr. RUBEY. I just wanted to ask the gentleman one ques­ consent of the Senate. tion. I believe you have six members on the board in your Mr. CONNALLY of Texas. Will the gentleman yield? bill. What is the amount appropriated in your bill? 1\Ir. BURTON. If I can get more time I shall be glad to Mr. KETCHAM. I think it is $12,000. yield. l\fr. RUBEY. Fi\e hundred thousand dollars, $200,000 more This means the vesting of a great responsibility in the than it is in this bill. P1·esident. It means giving to him a prerogative, which is an l\lr. KETCHAM. I would be glad to have the gentleman sub­ essential part of our political system. The President stands mit an amendment to reduce the number in the bill which the supreme in this Government, higher than a monarch. It is gentleman calls my bill, as I have introduced an amendment thought he can not err, not because of any such maxim as to reduce the number in this bill. that the king can not do wrong, but that the people give to The CHAIRMAN. The- time of the gentleman from Michi­ him possibilities of action, give to him authority which must gan has again expired. place any one of self-respect, of commanding ability, beyond l\Ir. HAUGEN. l\1r. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the the po. sibility of corruption. President Cleveland once said amendment. The gentleman is much concerned about an ex­ that the President of the United States was the one person pense of $150,000. The purpose of this board will be to give whom any citizen of the Republic could approach with the the farmer the benefit of the tariff which, in the aggregate, thought that he might assert his right·, that he would be will amount to billions of dollars. Cut the number down to listened to, and that his rights might be secured. six and you impair the usefulness of the board. This country Mr. CONNALLY of Texas. I am sure the gentleman can is broad. We have 48 States in the Union. I think it will get more time if the gentleman will yield. require the services of 12, and possibly more. Are we going l\Ir. BURTON. I yield. to do anything for the farmer? If so, are we going to cripple Mr. CONNALLY of Texas. Does the gentleman contend the bill right from the start, or are we going to set up ma­ there is no power to limit the class of persons from whom the chinery that · will make it possible for it to function as it President can select? should and to accomplish the purposes we are undertaking here l\Ir. BURTON. No; and I will come to that in a moment. to-day? l\Ir. CONNALLY of Texas. For instance, we can establish 1\lr. LOZIER. Will the gentleman yield? courts, and can we not provide that the Pre ·ident shall ap­ Mr. HAUGEN. Yes. point no one hut lawyers as judges? Mr. LOZIER. With a board of 12 members you ha\e an 1\lr. BURTON. That is very different legislation from this, opportunity to give more of the commodities representation ; and I will come to that in a moment. if you reduce that number to six, you reduce the number of Under this great fabric of government the President has this commodities that can have representation on that board and power. Our Constitution has been termed by one of tbe you thereby impair the efficiency of the organization. greate" t statesmen the greatest instrument ever struck off at l\Ir. HAUGEN. Yes; and if it is found necessary to establish a given time by the mind and purpose of man. · se-ren di\isions, you haT"e six members. Of course, the gentle­ What is the tendency of this provision? To abolish govern­ man does not believe in the operation of this bill ; he is opposed ment of the people, by the people, and for the people, and to to it. Now, then, let us do the manly thing. · If it is going e tablish in its place government of group . by groups, and for to be defeated, why not do it in an honorable way? Why not groups. I gave yesterday in discm;sion this question a number set up the proper machinery that is required to accomplish of illustrations. Now, as regards the illustrations which, I the desired results? The gentleman talks about a board of six, understand, were gi-ren by my very good friend, l\fr. DICKINSON, and he is perfectly willing to increase the salaries. The last nigll t-- gentleman is much concerned over the e:A-pense, but he is in The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Ohio favor of making the salary $12,000 instead of $10,000. We has expired. have provided for a very moderate salary, and we believe they Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota. l\!r. Chairman, I ask that the are entitled to it, and we believe we need 12 men. But, as I gentleman may ba\e five additional minutes. say, if you are going to cripple the bill, very well. Tllis is The CHAIR:J1AN. Is there objection? one way of doing it. There was no objection. The CHAIRl\1AN. The question is on agreeing to the amend­ 1\Ir. BURTON. You may search the whole field of the ment offered by the gentleman from Michigan. statutes in regard to appointments and you will not find any The question was taken; and on a division (demanded by case in which an appointment is made by recommendation Mr. KETcHAM) there were-ayes 35, noes 55. except one, and that is section 304 of the Railroad Labor Board So the amendment was rejected. act, and that is really not an appointment to an office in the l\Ir. BURTON. 1\Ir. Chairman, I offer an amendment. general sense. It is the creation of a tribunal for the sake of The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Ohio offers an arbitrating differences beb.veen railways and their employees, amendment, which the Clerk will report. so that three may be chosen from eligibles suggested by the The Clerk read as follows: railway management, three similarly sugo-e ted by the em­ Amendment offered by Mr. BURTON: On page 4, section 3, sub­ ployee , and three by the President. There may be some ques­ divi ion (a), strike out subheads 2 and 4, and substitute instead of tion whether that is constitutional, but it is \ery strikingly Nos. 3 and 5, 2 and 3, respectively, and stl'ike out subdivision (b). distinguished from this provision here. 1926 CONGRESSIONAL . RECORD-HOUSE 9239 Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota. Will the gentleman yield there? I I am not a member of the committee, I know nothing about Mr. BURTON. Yes. what motives may have prompted them or what precedents l\fr. 1\~WTON of 1\Iinnesota. There are six to be nominated th~ may have followed, but it may be they followed the prece- f>y the railways, six to be nominated by the. employees, and the I dent set up by the Executive power itself; it may be that tliey Pre ident makes the appointments from those nominees. remember the Executive who ,...-anted to keep lip service Mr. BURTON. That is a case of eligibles. obedient to the civil service Jaw, who said to the members of the Now, in answer to the gentleman from Texas, it is undoubt- civil ervice, You need not recommend to me one single incli· edly true that the Congress may prescribe qualifications such vidual who makes the hi!!he t rating; you may pick out three; as that persons appointed to certain offices shall be learned in do not limit me to one; give me plenty of latitude; give me three the law, shall have had experience in banking, shall have a people, and one of the three I agree shall be the person named, knowledge of agriculture; anything pertaining to qualifica- upon whom I will bestow the power and prerogative of post­ tions may be provided in the statute. It. may also limit upon master or postmistre . So it may be that this wonderful a board or commission the number from a political party. I precedent, this marvelou example sought by the Executive think it a little more doubtful, but i:he law may also provide power himself, was the pathway that this committee, that has that there be certain appointments from certain localities, as struggled for life and wants to solve the agricultural problem, one from each or seven or eight districts, because this is a selected. country of almost infinite diversity of interests, of population, Mr. RAMSEYER. That regulation was placed there by Ex- and thus there may be a provision not only as to qualification but ecutive order itself. as to locality. But what is this? This·is taking the appoin- Mr. SPROUL of Kansas. Is it not a fact that the Congress tive power out of the President's hands. He has the bare, by virtue of the situation has plenary power to take away from meager, very unsatisfactory alternative of selecting one of the President all appointing power of subordinate officers? three, and just see how you might pack a board under that l\fr. McSW A.IN. Of cour e; but we are not bothering about provision. As I stated yesterday, you might provide that the that. Now, if there is nobody that wants me to yield, I will members of the Federal Reserve Board be recommended by the yield the floor. [Laucrhter and applau e.] American Bankers' Association; that the Secretary of Labor Mr. BURT!'I'ESS. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the com­ must be chosen f1·om eligibles named by the American Federa- mittee, if this bill contemplated a permanent continuance of tion of Labor. any powers that would permit the board to take money out of Now, it may be there would be no serious injury in this case. the United States Treasury or if it contemplated what in People may say-and I share that sentiment-you can trust the reality would be an official office or a governmental officeJ I farmers, the cooperatives, and others, but by this ·statute you would be dispo ed to follow the distinguished gentleman from would be establishing a precedent which I say with the utmost Ohio who has submitted this amendment, but this fact seems solemnity to the Members of this House is sure to come home to have been entirely overlooked in this debate. The fumla­ to plague you in the future. We have had too much of group mental purpose of the board has been entirely overlooked. control and group formation in this country, and let us not for Personally I think the subsidy from the Treasury will be a moment think of stimulating or encouraging government by taken out so we will not have that to contend with. But groups by saying that those who are to belong to this· very even if it were not, if it should remain for two years, what important board shall be chosen from a list of eligibles repre- is still the general and outstanding purpose of the bill? This senting certain groups of our population. board is not going to be a public body ; nothing of the kind. The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Ohio The p~rpose of. the bill is to establish a system of machinery . has again e::\.'J)ired. by which certam crops may be put into a national pool and Mr. FUNK. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that handled in the matter of marketing such crops. Where do the gentleman's time may be extended two minutes. they get the money? If they have an exportable purpose, the The CHAIRl\fA.N. Is there objection? producers themselv«;>s put it up. So, after all, all the bill There was no objection. does is to say that Congress c tablishes machinery by which Mr. FUNK. Will the gentleman yield? it might be possible to do the same thing that cooperative asso- Mr. BURTON. Yes. ciations might do if it ever should become possible for all of Mr. FUNK. The gentleman is a member of the Debt Fund- them throughout the United States to get into one organization. ing Commis ion, as I understand? So these men are not going to perform any governmental Mr. BURTON. Yes. functions. They are going to take the money from the pro- Mr. FUNK. Is it not provided in the law that created the ducers of certain crops, handle their products in the best way Debt Funding Commission that the President shall be limited in order to secure for the producers a price for the domestic in the appointment of the members of that commission at least consumption-the world price plus the tari.ft to the extent that two shall come from the House? This therefore is identical in principle with the proYisions Mr. BURTON. Yes; originally one from the House and one in the Federal reserve act which permits the election of the from the Senate. directors of the various Federal reserve banks by their mem- Mr. FUNK. Was not that a limitation? bers. Why is that done? Because they are the stockholders, Mr. BURTON. That comes under a head I have already they put up the money, they have the right to select their own named of qualification; that is, there mu;:;t be certain members directors. So in tl1is case, who puts up the money to crnduct of the Cabinet and members of the House and the Senate. this busine s? It is the farmers and the producers of the Mr. FUNK. That is a limitation on his power of selection. country. They therefore, it seems to me, reasonably have the Mr. BURTON. You may call it a limitation, but in any right to have some little say as to the type of men who are event that service is not an office in this sense. That subject going to handle it. was considered very elaborately in the Senate. If it had been Aside from that psychology of the provision is most ex­ an office in the ordi.nary sense, we who are Members of the cellent. We recall the storm of protest that went up House or of the Senate could not have served on that commis- from the agricultural sections when the Federal reserve sion; but it was decided after very elaborate discussion in the bank started its deflation policy in 1920. I am not here Senate it was not an office of the type contemplated. The to criticize or to commend that policy, to say whether it is commission can make recommendations, but their recommenda- right or wrong, but I am free to say that there -was 11 good tions must be approved both by the Pre ·ident and by Congress. deal of justifiable criticism and there was a universal feeling l'lfr. RAMSEYER. But that raises a,nother point. The point on the part of the agricultural classes that the interests of raised by the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. FuNK] was whether agriculture had not been properly represented on the Federal or not requiring him to take two from the House and two from Reserve Board. This was so strong that Congress did a rather the Senate was a restriction on his appointive power. unusual thing and provided that the qualifications of an addi- Mr. BURTON. You may call it a restriction, but everyone tional member of that governmental board, a public body dif­ knows perfectly well it was a designation of certain persons, fering from the one set up here, would have to be selected, just ~s \Ve designate certain committees here in the House to who had certain qualifications along agricultural lines. I perform certain duties. If it were an office, the Constitution think that is the big distinction between the cases given by the would forbiu Members of Congress from acting. distinguished gentleman from Ohio [Mr. BURTON] and the Mr. McSWAIN. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the House, situation that we have before us here to-day. The amemlment it is certainly interesting to see the solicitude with which some should be defeated. consider this limitation upon what is de cribed as the vast The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from North power of the President, incomparable in all history among Dakota has expired. • emperors and kings, and because there is a slight impingement Mr. RAMSEYER. Mr. Chairman, I spoke on this question in this heretofore unparalleled power tied up in one person we of the constitutionality of the S('lection of the members of t11e are urged to not even go this far. • board last night, and I do not care to repeat what I said at 9240 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE ~fAy 11 that time. In regard to the policy of selecting the board mem­ Mr. BLACK of New York. Mr. Chairman, will the gentle­ bers as the bill provides, I just wish to say that nearly every man yield? bill which has been introduced here for farm relief carries l\lr. RAMSEYER. Yes. the same kind of a provision, including the Haugen bill, the Mr. BLACK of New York. Is it the gentleman's opinion Fort bill, .the Dickinson bill, and the Tincher bill., the last of that the members of the council are public officers of the which, it is rumored here, has the support of the administra­ United States ; that they must take the oath of office and be tion. All of the farm organizations that ha~e been here are subject to the bribery statute? for something like this, so that this provision apparently has Mr. RAMSEYER. I do not think so. It has been held by the universal support of those in and out of Congress who a court that to limit the appointiT"e power to one individual are in favor of some kind of farm legislation. On the consti­ is unconstitutional. On the other hand, I think it is clear tutional phase, if you will concede that you can restrict the that Congress is not deprived of power to limit the field of power of the President's -choice, then you are up against the selection. Of course, the way this bill will work is this: If proposition of how far you can go in restricting the President's you present the names to the President and he nominates one choice. I concede it is difficult to determine the extent to of them, then that one becomes the President's selection. If which restrictions may be imposed within constitutional limi­ the President acts in compliance with the provisions of this bill, tations. I call attention to the fact that the same provision I do not think you can e¥er question that method in the courts. of the Con titution which empowers the President to nominate If the President fails to act, there is no way to compel him to and, with the consent of the Senate, to appoint certain officers act. I want to read just a few lines from what Attorney Gen­ also pro¥ides that Congress may by law vest the appoint­ eral Ackerman said in· a very able opinion back in the seventies ment of inferior officers in the President alone, in the courts on restricting the appointing power : of law, or in the heads of departments. If it is proper to Congress could require that officers shall be of American citizen­ restrict the President's power to appoint in one class, it is ship or of a certain age; that judges should be of the legal profession proper to restrict in the other class, and certainly any quali­ and of a certain standing in the profession, and still leave room fications that you prescribe by law that officers must possess, to the appointing power for the exercise of its own judgment and either as to professional qualifications or party affiliation or will, and I am not prepared to affirm that to go further and require indu ·trial, geographical, or governmental representation, and that the selection shall be made from persons found by an examining so forth, is a restriction upon the Executive in making appoint­ board to be qualified in such particulars as diligence, scholarship, ments. The Members of the House of Representatives and of integrity, good manners, and attachment to the GoYernment would the Senate are sworn to support the Constitution of the United impose an unconstitutional limJtation on the appointing power. Statefj, and every Member here is under oath to vote against any Vlll that he really thinks is unconstitutional. Last night When we created the Foreign Debt Commis ion we decreed by I called your attention to 70 laws passed by Congress im­ law that the President should appoint two members of that posing qualifications for offices filled by presidential appoint­ commission out of the House and two out of the Senate. That ment. Seventy times have the House and Senate gone on was not prescribing qualifications, it was a plain restriction ,record by the passage of bills re ·tricting the power of the on the appointing power, and the President did appoint two P1·esident to make appointments. Seventy times, probably with from ·the Senate and two from the House, men of the highest the advice of the Attorney General, the hand of a President of qualifications. But that was a restriction on the appointing the United States has signed a bill restricting his own power power and no one ever questioned its validity. In my opinion, to make appointments. Furthermore, so far as I am able to the issue raised by the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. BURTON] find out, not once has the constitutionality of a single one of against the constitutionality of this provision for the selection these statutes ever been questioned in the courts of the United of members of the farm board is entirely without merit. ~tates. Mr. LOZIER. Will the gentleman yield? Mr. BURTON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? 1\fr. RAMSEYER. I will. Mr. RAMSEYER. Certainly. Mr. LOZIER. As to the Executive power, there is power of Mr. BURTON. Does the gentleman not recognize that there appointment vested in the President coincident with the power is a perfectly plain distinction between the specifications of of removal, and yet we have enacted a law which attempts qualifications which may be necessary and appropriate for the to, or at least, limits the power of the President to remove the Yarious offices created requiring different qualifications, and Comptroller General. Is that a restriction upon the Executive absolutely dictating to the President by a committee. of three power? or of any number as to whom he shall appoint? Does the 1\Ir. RAMSEYER. The question of the power of removal gentleman not recognize a marked distinction there? is now pending in the Supreme Court of the United States in Mr. RAMSEYER. But I do not admit that anybody is the Myers case, and I do not care to anticipate the court's dictating to the President. Whatever qualifications are pre­ decision. scribed by law are restrictions on the President's power to The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment of­ appoint. You take these three names to the President if this fered by the gentleman from Ohio. bill passes. Suppose he says that he will not nominate any The question was taken, and the amendment was rejected. one of them. I admit that you can not compel the President 1\Ir. BLACK of New York. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amend- to act. . ment. 1\lr. BURTON. In other words, then your office will be The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the amendment. vacant. The Clerk read as follows : Mr. RAMSEYER. If the President approves the bill, it Page 4, line 6, after the word " district," insert " that any member is inconceivable that he will not comply with its provisions. of the council who accepts a bribe in connection with his duties under The CHAIRMAN. The ti~e of -the gentleman from Iowa this act shall be punishable by a fine of $1o;ooo or imprisonment for bas expired. five years, or by both such fine and imprisonment." l\fr. RAMSEYER. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent Mr. RAMSEYER. l\Ir. Chairman, I make the point of order to proceed for fiT"e minutes more. that it is not germane. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? 1\Ir. BLACK of New York. May I ask the grounds of the There was no objection. point of order? 1\lr. RAMSEYER. One can conceive of an office being -racant 1\fr. RAMSEYER. That it is not germane. in that way. If the President refuses to appoint an Attorney Mr. BLACK of New York. 1\fr. Chairman, may I be heard General; if he says he is not going to appoint one, you can on the point of order. [Cries of "Rule I"] 1\Ir. Chairman, the not compel him to fill the office. · chairman of the Rules Committee in presenting the rule on this Mr. WILLIAMSON. Is there any reason at all why in this bill notified the House that he anticipated the Chair would be particular case the bill coUld not just as well provide that very liberal in regard to the rule in reference to germaneness. cooperative associations select their own officers? Here is a bill with a section providing for a council that the gon­ Mr. BURTON. That is an entirely different situation. tleman from Iowa, in answer to a question of mine, just admitted Those are institutions with a corporate organization. was made up 9f men who are not public officials, who have charge Mr. RAMSEYER. Then, furthermore, Attorney Generals of of a fund of public moneys amounting to $375,000,000, and a the United States have at different times been asked for opin­ direction to the President to appoint certain officers. Now, ions as to these various restrictions. For instance, there is a in order to safeguard that fund and the adminish·ation of that civil-service rule limiting the appointive power, whether a act, and to make it a real working act, I am putting in a member of the Cabinet or other officer, or even the President, penal clause to make this bill protect the public-- to one of three names presented. This rule has never been 1\lr. COOPER of Wisconsin. Does not the gentleman think contested as unconstitutional. the general statute punishing embezzlement covers that1 1926 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9241 :Mr. BLACK of New York. I will say to the Chair and gen­ Mr. WINGO. The point of order ls that the bill, as alrea

I· 192G CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9243 MT. DICKINSON of Iowa. I have had a good deal of ex­ have some leeway by which that class should be represented, perience with farm organizations. If .you can find any Dlll;n of and not ha Ye all of the ·e offices monopolized by men and officers a higher type than Sam Thomp on m the State of OhiO, I of the organized farmers? would like to see his photograph. You can go all through the Mr. BEGG. No; the gentleman is not correct yet. The board personnel of the farm organizations and they are not looking could still be made up out of the organization; in fact, it will for this legislation in view of prospective jobs. ha\e to be, but the officers of the organization could not sene l\Ir. BEGG. I am not thinking of Sam Thompson, I never because they are officers. The very fact that they are officers saw the man. a.·emoves from them eligibility. 1\fr. DICKINSON of Iowa. You are indicting the man by :Mr. WINGO. The thought I had in mind "was embodied ·by your statement. the gentleman's amendment which has been defeated, and the 1\Ir. BEGG. Ko; I am not indicting him at all. It is a committee has indicated that it does not want the farmer who peculiar situation that when you undertake to exclude the does not belong to the cooperative to be represented on this selfish intere ts somebody jumps to his feet and comes to the board. defense of Sam Thompson. [Laughter.] I do not know him. Mr. BEGG. No. He may be the finest man on earth. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered l\Ir. DICKIN"SON of Iowa. You ought to know him. by the gentleman from Ohio. l\Ir. BURT~"'ESS. Will the gentleman yield? The question was taken ; and on a di\ision (demanded by l\Ir. BEGO. Yes. Mr. BEaG) there were-ayes 46, noes 72. l\Ir. BURTNESS. If you attribute that motive to the pro­ So tile amendment was rejected. ponent.· of the bill-· - Mr. !\"'EWTON of Minnesota. l\Ir. Chairman, I offer the fol­ l\Ir. BEGG. I am not attributing motives to anybody. I am lowing amendment, which I send to the desk. removing the temptation. [Laughter.] The Clerk read as follows: l\Ir. BURTi'l"'ESS. The Tincher bill, which the gentleman Amendment offered by Mr. NEWTO~ of Minnesota : Page 5, line 8, favors, carries substantially the same provision. after the word "council," insert "Pmt·idcd, That not more than six 1\:lr. BEGG. If the gentleman doos not have his information shall be members of the same political party." from a better source than he bas when he comes to state my l\lr. NEWTON of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, two or three position, he lacks qualification. days ago I had occasion to call the attention of the com­ l\Ir. WEFALD. Will the gentleman yield? mittee to what I believed were the political possibilities in l\Ir. BEGG. I yield. the set-up of the · machinery of the bill that is before us. l\Ir. 'VEFALD. Will the gentleman kindly l"ropo ·e some If there is anything that I believe the farmer does not want, kind of an amendment so that we can get some Harry Daugh­ it is to have the question of his production and marketing erty on the board? become the football of partisan politics. l\Ir. BEGG. The gentleman makes light of a man who has 1\Ir. BURTNESS. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield had· misfortune, but let m·e call the gentleman's attention to for a question? the fact that to-day Harry Daugherty, with all the slime hurled 1\Ir. NEWTON of Minnesota. Not•at this time. It seems in his direction, has not been found guilty of a thing. A man very clear to me that there are great possibilities in the bill should not be accused of crime until he has been found guilty as written for that very thing to happen. It ought not to in court. I think little of the man that will assault a man's happen. That we can say, regardless of the question of our reputation and character without any ground on which to party affiliations.. This amendment will, in part at least, baRe it. prevent that very thing from happening. I take it partisan Mr. WEFALD. I did not assault his character; he as­ politics should not enter into the question of appointments to saulted his character himself. the board. I yield to the gentleman from North Dakota. 1\lr. BEGG. Oh, no; and the gentleman does not help the l\lr. BURTNESS. I agree with the gentleman that the bill when he takes that attitude. political equation should not enter into it, but when you adopt l\1r. LOZIER. Will the gentleman yield? a provision that would make it necessary for the people who Mr. BEGG. I will. gather in these conventions to ask the question whenever any l\Ir. LOZIER. It is generally understood that the ablest name is submitted as to whether he is a Republican, a Social­ men in agriculture are to-day at the head of these farm ist, or a Democrat, are you not putting the whole matter into organizations as officers. . politics instead of keeping politics out of it? l\lr. BEGG. From the information I have heard on the floor l\Ir. NEWTON of Minnesota. Not at all, because here is .a in general debate I would say that some of them were capable restriction not upon those who shall be nominated but a re· of turning a flip-flop o\er night. striction upon the appointment. l\Ir. LOZIER. The effect of the gentleman's amendment Mr. BURT!\""ESS. Then, how are you going to insure six would be to deny to agriculture the further services of those people from any one particular party being nominated, unless gentlemen on this board. you are going to have that question raised in the convention l\Ir. BEGG. No; if they wanted to give up their position as to such an extent that the organizations meeting in convention president or secretary, they could resign. It has come to a must pick them out as Republicans or Democrats or as mem- pretty pass if we have not more men in all the farm or­ bers of some other party? -.._ · ganizations than these officers qualified to be members of this l\Ir. NEWTON of Minnesota. If I thought for one moment board. I submit it to you sincerely that members of the board that the passage of this amenument would in itself bring this ought to have the temptation removed from them. You want matter into politic , I would not be for it, but every bit of the to go out into the broad field and get qualified men and not machinery that we haYe put into effect to-day does put it make it a selfish purpose for any man to ad\ocate this bill for into politics. Here is an attempt, after the machine is going a position. along, at least to equip it with a set of brakes that will work l\Ir. WINGO. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the about 50 per cent efficient. amendment. I think perhaps I misunderstood the gentleman's l\Ir. BURTNESS. And make politics the leading issue in amendment. He proposes that the President may select half '· the convention. of the board from farmers other than those that belong to 1\lr. NEWTON of Minnesota. Not at all. farm organizations? l\1r. CARTER of Oklahoma. Mr. Chairman, will the gentle· Mr. BEGG. The gentleman needs some more information. man yield? That amendment was \Oted down quite a while ago. Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota. Yes. 1\fr. WINGO. I understand the gentleman reoffered it. l\Ir. CARTER of Oklahoma. Does not the gentleman thinlt :Mr. BEGG. Oh, no ; I have offered an entirely different his object might be obtained by placing a provision in the bill proposition. which would not require any man to place his resignation in Mr. WINGO. There is so much confusion that I could not the hands of the appointing power before he is appointed? bear what it is. Mr. NEWTON of 1\finnesota. If the gentleman want to Mr. BEGG. If this amendment were adopted, I would make offer that amendment, of course he is privileged to do so, but ineligible any of the officers of the farm organizations to nomi­ I dare say he would not be able to get · any support for it nate themselves to the President to be elected on the board. from the members of the committee. In other words, I leave all of the membership open to eligibility, Mr. SCHAFER. If one of these men were to come from but I make the officers who control the organizations and the the great State of Iowa, how would you be able to ascertain machinery of the organizations ineligible. what his political affiliations are, for instance, if he was a Mr. WIKGO. The gentleman's theory is that the equaliza­ Republican and supported Senator STECK, the Democratic tion fee will be leYied-and I have cotton in mind, because I candidate? 1."""low about that-upon the products of the man who does not Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota. Oh, I would leave that ques­ belong to the organization, and, therefore, the President should tion to the gentleman from 'Visconsin. 9244 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE ~fAy 11 The CHAffiMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. (g) The provisions of section 1701 of the Revised Statutes shall not Mr. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the gentleman apply t&. any person appointed as an original member of the board, it have two more minutes. such appointment is made prior to December 1, 1926. Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota. The gentleman from Minne­ 1\fr. WINGO. 1\Ir. Chairman, I move to strike out the last sota is not asking for more time. If his time is up, he has no word for the purpose of getting some information. What is desire to ay more. section 1761 of the Revised Statutes? The CHAIRMA.N.· The question is on the amendment offered 1\Ir. HAUGEN. It prevents the payment of salaries to an by the gentleman f-rom Minnesota. appointee under a recess appointment. The question was taken, and the Chair announced the noes :Mr. WINGO. I see. appeared to have it. Mr. HAUGEN. Mr. Chairman, I move that the committee l\fr. NEWTON of Minnesota. I ask for a division. I want to do now rise. find out how the Democrats are going to vote on this question. The motion was agreed to. The que tion was taken ; and there were--ayes 33, noes 55. Accordingly the committee rose; and t11e Speaker having re­ So the amendment was rejected. sumed the chair, Mr. 1\IAPES, Chairman of the Committee of the 1\lr. RANKIN. Mr. Chairman. a parliamentary inquiry. The Whole Hou e on the state of the Union, reported that the gentleman from :Minnesota [Mr. NEW'ION] wanted to know the committee, hating had under consideration the bill H. R. 11603, political line-up on this vote to see how it balanced. had come to no resolution thereon. . 1\lr. WINGO. l\Ir. Chairman, I offer an amendment. F .ARM RELIEF The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will. report the amendment. · Mr. JENKINS. 1\Ir. Speaker, may I ask leave to revise and The Clerk read as follows : extend my remarks? Page 5, line 4, after the word "members," insert " not less than The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio asks unanimous seven of whom shall be actively engaged in agricultural pur~uits." consent to revise and extend his remarks. Is there objec­ tion? [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. :Mr. WINGO. 1\Ir. Chairman, I hope there will be no serious Mr. JENKINS. Mr. Speaker, while it is generally conceded objection to this amendment. Let us see, you have a board that the American farmer felt more financial depression during which is going to be a supervising board. Their chief activity the reconstruction period than persons engaged in any other will be in determining the conditions in reference to marketing line of work, and while it is generally conceded that we have the basic agricultural products of the Nation. Now, you cer· in the United States a "farm problem," still there is no gain4 tainly ought to have on that board at least seven of them who are saying the faet that the financial condition of the farmer is actively engaged in agricultural pursuits. I deny the sugges· better to-day than it was a year ago. However certain we are tion I heard some one make in a low tone of voice that you that there is a farm problem, more certain yet are we that this could not find farmers who had business ability. I can farm problem is gradually working itself out. The farmer will show you some of the ablest farmers, business men who are never be able to evolve a plan to control his products and his actually engaged in farmqtg in my district, and I can show you surplus as readily as the manufacturer. The manufacturers tllem in every State in the Union. 'Vhy, one of the ablest and are very few In number as compared with the farmers. The be t farmers, practical farmers, among the agricultural men of manufacturer's factory is a thing separate and apart from his this Nation at this how· is prominently spoken of as a candi· home. The farmer's business and his home are generally date for Pre~ident. You can find plenty of capable business closely related and connected. The manufacturer generally meu actively engaged in agricultw·e who ought to be and are manufactures very few different articles, usually only one cia s willing to give their time to the practical operation of this bill of articles. The farmer's products_are numerous and diversified. which you are going to put into eff.ect, and I hope there will The manufacturer usually has no concern for the weather. not be a vote against the amendment [Applause.] The farmer's product depends upon the weather conditions to The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered a very large degree. For these and various other reasons the by the gentleman from Arkansas. farmer will never be able to correlate his business with the The question was taken, and tile amendment was rejected. other farmers as readily as will the manufacturer. The Clerk read as follows : For many years it has been well accepted by statesmen, econ4 APPOINTME~T AND QUALIFICATION OF MEliBERS omists, and thinkers that the farmer's greatest loss was some­ Sxc. 5. (a) The terms of office of the appointed members first taking where between the point of sale by the farmer to the point of office after the enactment of this act shall expire, as designated by the purchase by the consumer. In other word , the problem that President at the time of nomination, four at the end of the second has confronted him has been one of marketing. Large profits year, four at the end of the fourth year, and four at the end of tho have been made by brokers and middlemen who have furnished sixth year, after the date of the passage of this act. A successor to no actual benefit to the farmer or to the consumer and have an appointed member shall be appointed by the President, by and contributed notlling to the growth or value of the product. with the advice and consent of the Senate, from the individuals nomi­ That this problem has been thoroughly recognized is evidenced nated, as provided in subdivision (d) of this section, for a term ex· by the fact that all over the country in the last few years piring six years from the date of the expiration of the term for which marketing organizations of various kinds have sprung up. his predecessor was appointed. Various State legi ·latures have recognized the problem and (b) Any peiS'on appointed to fill a vacancy occurring prior to the have sought the solution of the same in the pas age of legislation expiration of the term for which his predeces or was appointed shall permitting the organizing of cooperative as ociation . Such be appointed for the remainder of such term. legislation has been pas ed by the State of Ohio and the same (c) Any member in office at the expiration of the term for which has been found highly satisfactory. be was appointed may continue in office until his successor takes office. The corn farmers of the country have never fully recovered (d) Whenever a vacancy occurs in the board or whenever, in the from the rapid and unfair deflation of the prices of corn which opinion of the chairman of the board, a vacancy will soon occur in the occurred early in the deflation program. Likewise, the wheat office of a member from any Federal land bank district, he shall notify growers have suffered because of the high cost of production the council thereof and request that the council nominate three indi­ and high-interest rates on land purchased at the peak of infla­ viduals from such district qualified to fill such vacancy. Upon receipt tion periods. It should have been recognized by the farmer of such nominations he shall submit their names to the President as as. well as by all other persons that the high prices which ob­ the nominees for such vacancy. tained in war times could not always obtain. I mention these (e) Vacancies in the board shall not impair the powers of the re­ facts to show that the farmer mu t naturally expect to bear a maining members to execute the functions of the board, and a rna· portion of the burdens of deflation. After granting that the jority of the appointed members in office shall constitute a quorum for farmer is willing to bear his portion of deflation, still there is the transaction of the business of the board. The approval or authori· no gainsaying the fact that this great industry is so clo ely zation of any matter by the board shall require the affirmative votE~ related to the welfare of the Nation that the welfare of the of a majority of the appointed members in office. Nation demands that it be not starved and stifled, and that all (f) Each of the appointed members shall be a citizen of the United other branches of industry could well afford to contribute some­ States, shall not actively engage in any other business, vocation, or what in order that this industry might be put upon a more sub­ employment than that of serving as a member of the board, and shall stantial basis. receive a salary of $10,000 a year, together with necessary traveling Just how this should be done is a que tion of real statesman­ expenses and expenses incurred for subsistence, or per diem allowance ship. The small farmers of the country who are equipped to in lieu thereof, within the limitation prescribed by law, while away engage in diversified farming have not felt the depression as from the principal office of the board, or from the office established by much as tho e who engage in the production of one or two of the board to which be bas been assigned, on business required. by this the staple products to the exclu ion of others. They are not act. No person shall, dmin~ his term of office as a member of the much concerned in any Government program for farm relief. board, serve as a· member of the council. The Haugen bill in its original form is a patchwork constructed 1926 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9245 to please the various farm groups and to please the various system." If we establish the subsidy system with agriculture, sections of the country. u -is very evident that this bill is a there is no reason why we sllould not do the same with the sort of a carry-all, and that while it sought to please everyone, miners in the coal industry. In my ·d\strict there are probably it is not entirely satisfactory to anyone. That it provides for 10,000 coal miners who have not worked more than three a subsidy there is no question. Its financial relief is purely a months in the last three years. The whole coal industry of the subsidy. Never in the history of the country has the American Hocking Valley coal district is threatened. The same is true farmer demanded a subsidy. If there has ever been a real of the Pomeroy Bend district. A GoYernment subsidy such as independent American and one to stand on his own feet and that provided in the Haugen bill would probably put all those fight his own battles it has been the American farmer. The mines in operation. These miners and mine owners have asked great bulk of the Amedcan farmers to-day do not want any for no subsidy. What theY. want are equitable freight rates subsidy. What they want is a more certain market. A high so that their product can reach the market on a fair footing price i~ not as desirable as a constant price. The Haugen bill with the products of the miners of other sections. They have seeks to provide this constant price by legislation. This brings put up a valiant fight in that direction, but to no avail as yet. into play a new principle. Price fixing by the Government is The miners are fast learning that the amount produced must .. absolutely un-American. Therefore the farmer's relief must be be kept close to the requirements of the consumer. The farmer ·- had from a better system of markets. He can not change the has not thoroughly learned this lesson yet. For reasons afready weather. 'l'he Government must not control the price. The given it is much more difficult for the farmer to put this theory remedy, therefore, must be in a proper control by the farmer into practice than it is for the miners or the manufacturers. It himself of his manner and method of marketing. is a question of marketing and not one of subsidy. · Probably the most statesmanlike course to pursue with re­ The farm organizations and fruit growers and grain dealers gard to these three bills would be to recommit them all to the of the State of Ohio are well in unison in their opposition to the Agriculture Committee for further consideration. But the fact Haugen bill. The following is a quotation from a letter to me that a great deal of agitation has been carried on all over the written May 1, 1926, by Mr. L. B. Palmer, president Ohio Farm country, together with the further fact that certain branches Bureau Federation: of agriculture are in need of a ·sistance, argue that this Congress Our people in Ohio took action and are still opposed to impractical should furnish some relief. This should be done partly for the equalization fees. The expression of the dairy groups haSJlOt been in good that will enure from it and also partly as a protection favor of the Haugen bill. No organization action has been taken on against the harm that might result from the failure to grant it. the Capper-Tincber bill, owing to its recent presentation, but it has No subsidy should be paid, and the cause of the farmers who been the expression of our Ohio leaders that they favor cooperative really stand in need of assistance should not be jeopardized marketing and extension of intermediate credits acts for the handling in a program of trading for votes. Their cause should rise of cooperative products, as we believe is expressed in the Tincher bill, or fall on its own merit. thinking that this will tend to the orderly distribution of farm products Whatever relief should be granted should be along safe and and maintain a high average price by eliminating dumping at harvest sane lines. Tllis question has brought forth much comment. season. Many misleading an~ inaccurate statements find their way into the press. Many speeches are made without regard to the facts. The following is a copy of quotation contained in a letter Statements are made to the effect that the farmer is getting written to me by Mr. C. A. Dyer; legislative agent of the Ohio less for his products and paying more for what he buys than Farm Bureau and the Ohio State Grange. 1\lr. Dyer is one of he paid before the passage of the Fordney-McCumber tariff the best-posted men in this country on matters of agriculture: law. These tatements are misleading and not true. Mr. Both the Ohio State Grange and the Ohio Farm Bureau Federation TINCHE1l on the floor of the House a few days ago challenged at their annual delegate meetings expressed their wishes as to national these statements, and his challenge has not been acceptoo or farm legislation in plain terms. Both organizations are clearly on rec­ answered. The challenge, as given by Mr. TINCHER, has drawn ord as opposing price fixing, subsidies, equalization fees, or anything of much comment, editorially and otherwise. The Washington that character. Post llas the following to say about it: These general resolutions passed by the delegate bodies in regular In view of the oft-repeated statement that the farmers are being session plainly indicate the stand of the membership on the legislation "robbed," that they are obliged to sell their commodities at a low pending before the Congress. The original Haugen bill was not objec­ price and buy their commodities at a high price, all because of the tionable, but bas become so with the "riders., attached. All the other tariff, it is interesting :o read Representative TINCHER's challenge. He proposed legislation, with the exception of the Tincher bill in its pres­ said: ent form, comes under the condemnation of the resolutions of the Ohio farm organizations. And with the exception of a very few professional " I invite any man to furnish me a list between now and midnight and political farmers I find no sentiment in the State for any of the of any commodity that be buys that is as high to-day as it was when you passed the Fordney-McCumber tarifl' law, and I will print it in so-called relief measures. my remarks. There is not a farm commodity to-night but what is As to the Tincher bill, the Farm Bureau Federation is not opposing worth more money on the market than it was on the day the it, but, on the other hand, is rather favorable to it as a solution of the Pordney-l\IcCumber ta.:iff law took efl'ect." present situation at Washington and as an aid to cooperative mar­ keting. So far this challenge has not been met. Apparently it efl'ectually disposes of all the talk about the tarifl' being responsible for low farm Bon. A. C. Robison, one of the largest fruit growers in the products and high manufactured products. State of Ohio and a member of the board of directors of the The tariff bas nothing whatever to do with the distress of the Ohio Farm Bureau, and -a former member of the Ohio Legisla­ farmers. But it is not difficult to see that their distress would be far ture, where he rendered conspicuous service, writes me in part greater without the tariff. as follows: In the district that I have the honor to represent there is not The Capper-Tincber bill more nearly expresses the Ohio idea than the much sentimeLt among the farmers for the enactment of any others. Personally I hardly see the need of either of the three bills. so-called farm-relief legislation. They are chiefly engaged in Personally I feel tbat the fact that since the farm leaders diYersified farming. While one who sells corn or wheat may from the corn and wheat sections are so far apart in their be benefited, his neighbor who feeds that corn or wheat to his diagnosis of the farmer's troubles, and further apart yet in dairy cows will pay the increased price. A stecdy, certain mar­ their prescription for a remedy for his troubles, these three ket would suit both parties better than a fluctuating market at bills-the Haugen bill, the Tincher bill, and the Aswell bill­ higher levels. should all be recommitted and reconsidered. The Agriculture M:y district is a large apple-producing district. My home Committee of the House is composed of the best-posted agri­ county of Lawrence is the home of the famous Rome Beauty culturists in the House, and more thought and more discus­ apple. The Haugen bill does not to my mind devote itself so sion will bring them together upon some agreement. But much to the relief of the fruit growers as it does to the growing as this program seems hopeless, and as the fariner will accept of other classes of farm products. The value of the orchard failure of this Congress to legislate as a refusal to legislate, and vineyard products of our country is enormous. No farm­ I am in favor of the enactment of a law that will be at least relief program is scientific or equitable that ignores this a step in the direction of furnishing relief. I think the Tincher great industry. The farmers of my district do not ask for plan provides this step. The amount provided for in the u subsidy. Tincher bill should be reduced from $100,000,000 to $25,000,000. The question, therefore, is whether the proper method of con­ If the plan works well, the American Congress can be de­ serving the farmer's surplus for use in the times of shortage is pended upon to continue to support any good program that by subsidy or by a system of orderly production and marketing. carries relief to the farmer. If the Tincher bill is adopted, If the former plan is adopted, we will find ourselves in the same great care should be taken to see to it that the money pro­ position as _Great Britain is now finding herself under her" dole vided for therein is not wasted to build up privately owned 9246 CONGRESS! ON AL RECORD-HOUSE MA_y 11 businesses, such as elevators and canneries, that are upon an The Clerk read as follows : unsound financial basis. The wheat farmer has been exploited A bill (H. R. 4547) to establish a department of economics, govern­ by would-be friends whp have drawn him into many unsound ment, and history at the United States Military Academy, at West projects. That there are a great many of these business pirates Point, N. Y., and to amend chapter 174 of the act of Congress of April standing by now a waiting the passage of one of these· bills 19, 1910, entitled "An act making appropriations for the support of there can be no doubt. Should either of these pending meas­ the Milita.I'y Academy for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1911, and ures be passed, the continued support of the measure by Con­ for other purposes." gress and the people will depend upon the honesty with which it is enforced. A great field for graft and fraud will be The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the gentleman's re­ opened, and no one but safe anq experienced men of affairs quest to disagree to the Senate amendments and ask for a con­ should be selected to dispense and distribute these funds. It ference? should be as much the business of this proposed board to weed There was no objection ; and the ,Speaker announced as the conferees on the part of the House l\1r. JAMES, Mr. HILL of out crooked, unsound, and unfair organizations as it will be Maryland, and Mr. FISHER. to build up square, safe, and sound organizations. At all times it should be the aim of this board to see to it that not one MORONGO INDIAN REBER \.ATIO'T IN c.ALIFORNI.A penny of the money provided under this propo 'eel legislation, if enacted into law, be loaned or spent except upon such Mr. LEAVITT. Mr; Speaker, I .ask unan~mous con~ent to terms as will insure its return into the National Treasury. 1 take fr~m}he Speakers t.able the .bill (S. 270-) to T'~OVId~ for I expect to upport the principle of the Tincher bill, but I do the set~~~ apart of certam lan~s m the St~te of Ca~orma as so with the mental reservation that I feel that those intrusted I an addition to the l\Iorongo Indian Reservation, to i.nsist on the with the distribution of the money provided thereunder will so amendments of the House, and agree to the conference asked 1 administer this trust that the benefits shall all go to the farmers 1 by the Senate. for whose benefit this leO'islation is enacted and that exploiters The- SPEAKER. The gentleman from Montana asks unani­ 0 will not be encouraged ~r profited. A combination of some of 1 :U ?-s consent to take from the Speaker's table the bill S. 2702, the best features of the Aswell bill with the best features of the msist on the amendments of the House, and agree to the con­ Tinchel· bill might be made that would be workable. Assist- f~rence ~sked for by the Senate. The Clerk will report the ance witliout subsidy, and a higber price by encouragement of . bt~hby ~~tl~ d f • . the natural laws of supply and demand, and without a fixed I e er rea as 0 11 ows · price by the passage of statutory laws is a safe program. In- A bill (S. 2702) to provide for the setting apart of certain lands in crease in price generally means increase in production, and the State of California as an ~ddition to the Morongo Indian Reserya­ increase in production generally means decrease in price. These · tion. conditio.ns chase .eac~ o~her i? an endless cycle. 1 Co~trol of The SPEAKER. Is there objection? production and dtstnbution will more ~early brea~ this cyc.le There was no objection; and the Speaker announced as the than a~y oth e ~· progr~m .. In~rease in pnc~ alone .will not do It, conferees on the part of the House Mr. LEAVITT Mr. SPROUL of for ~Is conditiOn will mev1tably result m an mcreased pro- Kansas, and Mr. H_ -:nEN. ' ductwn and surplus. .ALLOTMENTS TO THE CHILDREN ON THE CROW RESERVATION, MO "'T. FLIGHT OF COMMANDER BYRD Mr. LEAVITT. l\1r. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to Mr. McLEOD. I ask unanimous consent to extend my re- take from the Speaker's table the bill (H. R. 8313) to allot marks. living children on the Crow Reservation, Mont., with a Senate The SPEAKER. Is there objection? amendment, and concur in the Senate amendment. There was no objection. The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report the bill by title. 1\Ir. McLEOD. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, the The Clerk read as follows : · feat of Lieut. Commander Richard E. Byrd, which electrified the world this morning, is another and perhaps one o:f the most A bill (H. R. 8313) to allot lands to living children on the Crow conclusive bits of evidence that the day of aviation has ar- Reservation, 1\lont. rived. That which has for more than a century been tlied in The SPEAKER. The Clerk will repo:t the Senate amend- vain by the use of sailing and steam-driven vessels yesterday ment. was accomplished in a three-motored airplane in 15 hours and 1 The Senate amendment was read. 30 minutes. Men who had previously suffered agonizing hard- The SPEAKER. Is there objection? ships during tedious dog-team expeditions into the polar regions There was no objection. yesterday established an unprecedented deed in COmparative SENATE BILLS .AND SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTIONS REFERRED comfort, making observations from the air which were impos- sible previously to make, covering more territory than could be Senate bills and Senate concurrent resolutions were taken covered in eight months of mushing through the treacherous ice. from the Speaker's table and referred to their appropriate This deed which had been regarded by many as at most a fool- committees as indicated below : hardy undertaking if not a sheer impossibility, has been done by S. 115. An act for the relief of the owner of the steamship an American naval officer who is now only 36 years old. This fact Neptune; to the Committee on Claims. suggests that the explorers, like the methods which they use, S. 248. An act for the relief of the Central National Bank, are of the new generation, and it is warning to those of a Ellsworth, Kans. ; to the Committee on Claims. passing age that their methods are being left behind, because S. 255. An act for the relief of Rosa E. Plunimer ; to the they can no longer compete successfully with the new. It Committee on Claims. means that where land is smooth and solid, man can travel S. 491. An act for the allowance of certain claims for extra

fairly well on foot or on wheels, that where the water is deep 1· labo.r above the legal day of eigbt hours at certain navy yards enough and not obstructed by rocks, ice, or storms, men can certified by the Court of Claims ; to the Com!llittee on Claims. sail very well in ships, but that by sa.iling through the air S. 3259. An act authorizing the enrollmE-nt of Martha E. man has a medium of transportation which is traversed with Brace as a Kiowa Indian, and directing issuance of patents to almost equal ease in any direction anywhere on the face of her and two otbers to certain lands of the Kiowa Indian the earth. To Americans in particular, this memorable achieve- Reservation, Okla.; to the Committee on Indian Affairs. ment means even more. It means that' we have in this country S. 3330. An act for the relief of Thomas G. Peyton, to the men who are dauntless navigators of the air; men who like Committee on Claims. the invincible father of the American Navy, John Paul Jones, S. 3382. An act to appropriate tribal funds of the Klamath can if necessary take command of frail ships and in the face Indians to pay actual expenses of delegate to Washington, and of apparently insurmountable difficulties, proclaim, "We have for other purpo es; to the Committee on Indian Affairs. just begun to fight." S. 3545. An act to amend an act entitled "An act to provide compensation for employees of the United States suffering in­ DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMICS, ETC., UNITED STATES MILITARY juries while in the performance of their duties, and for other ACADEMY purposes," approved September 7, 1916, and acts in amendment Mr. JAMES. Mr. S~aker, I call up tbe bill H. R. 4547, thereof; to the Committee on the Judiciary. disagree to the Senate amendments, and ask for a conference. S. 3555. An act fo.r the relief of the Rochester Merchandise Mr. SPEAKER. The gentleman from Michigan asks unani­ Co.; to the· Committee on Claims. . mous consent to take from the Speaker's table the bill H. R. S. 3571. An act for the relief of Ada Brown-Hopkins; to the / 4547, with Senate amendment