1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 6331 Col. Thomas Edward de Shazo, 016479, On request of Mr. JOHNSTON of South clouCied the title of Massachusetts land, United States Army. Carolina, and by unanimous consent, the which claim is called 'paramount rights in Col. John Simpson Guthrie, 018228, Army and power and dominion over' the sea lands Committee on the District of Columbia 'an incident to which is full dominion over of the United States (lieutenant colonel, was authorized to meet this afternoon U.S. Army). the resources of the soil under that water during the session of the Senate. area.' (See U. S. v. California (332 U. S. at On request of Mr. MCKELLAR, and by p. 38), and these rights are asserted to tran­ unanimous consent, the Committee on scend those of a mere property owner (see Appropriations was authorized to meet p. 29).) SENATE this afternoon during the session of the "Now, therefore, the members of the exec­ Senate. utive committee of the Massachusetts Bar MONDAY, JUNE 11, 1951 Association urge upon the Congress the pas­ TRANSACTION OF ROUTINE BUSINESS sage of pending legislation to confirm the (Legislative day of Thursday, Y:tY 17, Mr. McFARLAND. Mr. President, I rights and title of Massachusetts within its 1951) historic boundaries." ask unanimous consent that Senators This resolution supplements the memorial The Senate met at 12 o'clock meridian, be permitted to make insertions in the of the Massachusetts Legislature of March on the expiration of the recess. RECORD and transact routine business, 18, 1948 (partly reprinted in the Massachu­ The Chaplain, Rev. Frederick Brown without debate. setts Law Quarterly for March 1950) and the Harris, D. D., offered the following The VICE PRESIDENT. Without ob­ resolution of this committee in support of jection, it is so ordered. similar legislation then pending in Congress, prayer: which was sent to the President and all Mem­ TIDELANDS-RESOLUTION OF EXECU­ bers of Congress in April 1949. Our Father God, in whose peace our TIVE COMMITTEE, MASSACHUSETTS Samuel P. Sears, President; Reuben Hall, restless spirits are quieted, the fierce BAR ASSOCIATION, BOSTON, MASS. Vice President, Newton; Thomas M. A. storms sweeping across our world have Higgins, Lowell; Paris Fletcher, Worces­ left us weary with watching; these test­ Mr. SALTONSTALL. Mr. President, ter; Fredric S. O'Brien, Lawrence; Ben­ ing times are revealing our every weak­ I present for appropriate reference, nett Sanderson, Littleton; Frederick ness. l:.1 these times of tension and and ask unanimous consent to have M. Myers, Pittsfield; Inez Di Persio, clamor, anxiety and uncertainty, we turn printed in the RECORD, a resolution Belmont; Fletcher Clark, Jr., Middle­ adopted by the executive committee of boro; William B. Sleigh, Jr., Marble­ to the infinite calm of Thy changeless head; Frank W. Grinnell, secretary, love that we may find inner sustenance, the Massachusetts Bar Association, at Boston. wells of living water springing up, Boston, Mass., on May 16, 1951, relat­ courage in battling for truth and serenity ing to the confirmation of the rights REPORTS OF COMMITTEES under strain. Give us a readiness for and title of Massachusetts within its The following reports of committees the severe disciplines of self-control de­ boundaries. · were submitted: manded by these days of crisis and des­ There being no objection, the resolu­ By Mr. JOHNSTON of South Carolina, tiny. So gird the lives of Thy servants tion was referred to the Committee on from the Committee on Agriculture and here in the ministry of public affairs Interior and Insular Affairs, and ordered Forestry: that thw may make all decisions greatly, to be printed in the RECORD, as follows: S. 684. A bill to amend the Bankhead­ walk on the high levels of noble purposes MAS£ ACHUSETTS BAR ASSOCIATION, Jones Farm Tenant Act so as to provide a Boston, Mass., June 6, 1951. more effective distribution of mortgage loans and with kindling sympathies as wide as insured under title I, to give holders of such human need in all things quit them like The President of the United States and the Honorable Members of the Senate and mortgage loans preference in the refinancing men. In the Redeemer's blessed name. of the House of Representatives of the of loans on a noninsured basis, to adjust the Amen. United States: loan limitations governing title II loans so THE JOURNAL As members of the executive committee of as to provide more effective assistance to the Maesachusetts Bar Association we re­ production and subsistence loan borrowers, On request of Mr. McFARLAND, and by spectfully submit for your consideration the and for other purposes; with amendments unanimous consent, the reading of the following resolution (adopted May 16, 1951) : (Rept. No. 387). Journal of the proceedings of Friday, By Mr. McCARRAN, from the Committee June 8, 1951, was dispensed with. "Resolution on tidelands on the Judiciary, without amendment: "Whereas Massachusetts received title to S. 885. A bill for the relief of Wong Thew MESSAGES FROM THE PRESIDENT its submerged sea lands from the English Hor (Rept. No. 388); Messages in writing from the Presi­ Crown by the Colony Charter of 1629 subject S. 1417. A bill for the relief of Lefrancois to certain reserved rights of the Crown, and & Chamberland, Inc. (Rept. No. 389); dent of the United States submitting said title and that of persons holding there­ nomin...ttions were communicated to the S. 1442. A bill for the relief of Marie Louise under were confirmed by the_ Crown by the Dewulf Maquet (Rept. No. 390) ; Senate by Mr. Miller, one of his secre­ Provincp, Charter of 1692 and all reserved S. 1443. A bill for the relief of Rev. Thomas taries. rights of the Crown were released and ceded K. Sewall (Rept. No. 391); MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE--ENROLLED to the Commonwealth by the Definitive H. R. 389. A bill for the relief of the State Treaty of 1783 and protected by the Consti­ BILLS SIGNED of Maryland (Rept. No. 392); tution of the United States, especially by the H. R. 616. A bill for the relief of Thomas . A message from the House of Repre­ tenth amendment, and were recognized by J. Zafiriadis (Rept. No. 393); sentatives, by Mr. Snader, its assistant the Supreme Court of the United States in H. R. 740. A bill for the relief of John reading clerk, announced that the Harcourt v. Gaillard (12 Wheat. 524), and Reginald Leat (Rept. No. 394); many other cases as specifically set forth H. R. 1268. A bill for the relief of Dr. Jiri Speaker had affixed his signature to the and explained in the Massachusetts Law following _enrolled bills, and they were Liska (Rept. No. 395); Quarterly for March 1950; and H. R. 1791. A bill for the relief of Joe signed by the Vice President: "Whereas by chapter 289 of the acts of 'Tortolini (Rept. No. 396); H. R. 652. An act for the relief of the estate 1859 (now sec. 3 of ch. I of the General Laws H. R. 1799. A bill for the relief of Bella and of Mattie Mashaw; and of Massachusetts) the territory was specifi­ Archie Kennison (Rept. No. 397); H. R. 2918. An act for the relief of Peter cally defined as follows: H. R. 1844. A bill for the relief of Capt. E. Kolesnikoff. "'SEC. 3. The territorial limits of the Com­ William Greenwood (Rept. No. 398); monwealth shall extend one marine league COMMITTEE MEETINGS DURING SENATE H. R. 2107. A bill for the relief of Edward from its seashore at extreme low-water mark. M. Chapman, Roland P. Davis, and the Fi­ SESSION If an inle':' or arm of the sea does not exceed delity & Casualty Co. of New York (Rept. two marine leagues in width between its No. 399); On request of Mr. HILL, and by unani­ headlands, a straight line from one head­ mous consent, the Committees on Armed land to the other shall be equivalent to the H. R. 2363. A bill for the relief of Mr. and Services and Foreign Relations, sitting shore line'; and Mrs. Emil Sbarbori, Edna Perfetti, and jointly, were authorized to meet this "Whereas the United States never acquired Anthony Perfetti (Rept. No. 400); afternoon during the session of the any title to the submerged sea lands of H. R. 2372. A bill for the relief of Michael Senate. Massachusetts, one of the Original Thirteen Post-Posniakoff and Zinaida Post-Posniakoff States, except by express cession, but the (Rept. No. 401); On request of Mr. HILL, and by unani­ Supreme Court of the United States, in re­ H. R. 2453. A bill for the relief of John R. mous consent, the Committee · on the cent cases to which Massachusetts was not Harris (Rept. No. 402); Judiciary was authorized to meet this a party, has confirmed a claim of the United H. R. 2852. A bill for the relief of Quon Mee afternoon during the session of the Stat '.:: s to such submerged sea lands of all Gee, also known as Loui Siu Lin (Rept. No. Senate. of the Original Thirteen States and thus 403); and 6332 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE JUNE 11 H. R. 3133. A bill for the relief of Chin A-1520684, Gonsalves, Christiano Fernan­ A:-61397669, Allen, Sonja Mildred Christel Yuen Ling, minor unmarried Chinese child des. Natacha (nee Fuhrmann). of a United States citizen (Rept. No. 404). A-5999281, Groshans, Anna (Anna Lola) A-7647958, Ashman, Gertrude Ione (nee By Mr. McCARRAN, from the committee on (nee Schmidt) (Schmidt or Anna Schmidt Hunt). the Judiciary, with an amendment: de Kardos or Anna Binder or Charlotte A-5367284, Bellinson, Lillian or Kellar (nee s. 530. A bill for the relief of Gerhard H. Leiter). Galica). A. Ant on Bebr (Rept. No.. 405}; · A-3171177, Guseloff, Asen or "Asen Gusel. A-7759521, Benezra, Elias. S. 580. A bill for the relief of Jean Marie A-7197984, Guzman, Marta or Martha. A-7247974, Bentley, Peter or Peter Kapic. Newell (Rept No. 406); A-1795888, Handas, Constantinos Leonidas A-4651822, Berger, Seloma (Solomon) or s. 674-. A bill for the relief of Arthur Koest­ or Gus Handas or Constantinos Hantas or Aleph Sol Berger or Sol Berger. ler (Rep t. No. 407); Costas Leonidas Handas or Costas Handas or A-6079543. Browne, Nancy Angelina or S. 1009. A bill for the relief of Ella Maria Gus Leonidas Handas. Nancy Henry Browne. Nyman (Rept. No. 408); A-7199031, Hernandez-Vera, Ramon. A-60'79548, Browne, Robert Henry. S. 1242. A bill for the relief of Salomon A-C029822, Heron, OWen Leonard. A-6079550, Browne, Jean Marie. Henri Laifer (Rept. No. 4-09); A-5356.~ 80, Hisayama, Yoshiro. A-6079553, Browne, WIIliam Henry Browne, H. R. 1103. A bill for the relief of Sidney A-4010890, Hronicich, Nick Anthony or Jr. Young Hughes (Rept. No. 410); Nicola Hroncich. A-5345849, BursUen, Pauline or Pauline H. R. 3229. A bill for the relief of Mrs. Al­ A-7a63561, Kilian, Karin Evelyn. Westler. bert W. Lack (Rept. No. 411); and A-4499146, Koch •.Joseph or John Monte. H. R. 3576. A bill to amenther Virginia :Barclay or Esther Virginia A-7416004, Stein, Judith (nee Judit Loef­ Donato Palumbo. Fredman. fler). A-3208302, Ramirez, Apolonio Estrada A-6843506, Baum, Gizella (nee Gizella A-1558544, stravelakis, Nicholas or Nick or nickname Gene Ramirez. Jakabovits or Jakabovitz). Nicolaos Panagiotis Stravelakis. A-2292547, Chang, Chsi Chur A-6611003, Struth, Aileen Emily or Alleen A-7675982, Ribas, Juan or Juan Ribas A-6848605, Chang, Ko Nan.. Emily Scott Plunkett. Farinas. A-6847892, Chang, Emily C. C. Chen (nee A-6199583, Thomas, .Antonia Sunecia Be· A-7679485, Ribas, Junior, Antonio or An­ Chen) . nito. tonio Ribas FarinaS' or Antonio Ribas Cal· A-6857745, Cipresso, Salvatore. A-6965417, Thomas, Marjorie Mona (nee deron. A-1641711, Dario, Tomaso Genera alias Shortland) . A-5769630, Sach, William P. or Wilblem Thomas Jerry Darty or Tomaso G. Dorio or A-7127546, Tom, Sam Lee or Tham Cham. Sack alias Fred Sacks. Thomas Genero Dareo. A-4640409, Uyeno, Giyu or Yoshio Uieno A-6771749, Saryan, Armine (nee Manou- A-4151075, Doria, Salvatore. or Joe Uyero (or Ueno). kian). A-6197800, Enom.oto, Taketaro. A-5461127, Yamakishl, Masui Shirichi or A-7115235, Schuler, Mary Josephine. A-7358981, Feliciano, Boswitha Anna. Ben Yamakishi. A-5460051, Seaward, Arthur Denis. A-7750394, Fountain, Eric ArthUl'. A-2994930, Yuzukl, Katsuto or Sadao Yu­ A-6341603, Slepnikoff, Christine .Allee or A-7351116, Franklin. Rose Marie. zuki. · Ch:ritstine Alice Kritz. A-7351115, Franklin, Rene. A-5545794, Adamovlch.- Samuel or Samuel A~94'Z45, Samay, SUleyman. A-4685496, Galdi,. Anna (nee Maddaloni). Adam.ovic. A-68?0332', Samra, Kartar Singh. :A.-7356368-, Gazzola, Lodovico or Nick or A-5834216, Alek.sovlch, stoian or Steve Alex A-4090316, Toikacz, Rosa or Rosa Pu- Nico Gazzola. or Stoyan Trifunovich. ga tch. 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 6333 A-7112639, Trotman, Walter Lambert or A-3499104, Taiariol, Felix or Felice Taiariol. A-7366932, Landis, Mary Ann (nee Camp- Rufus Tait or Taitt or Rufus Adolphus Taitt. A-7802691, Tatsumi, Hanaco. bell). A-7264789, Vasquez, Aurora. A-3141636, Vanvuris, Gust Manolis. A-2158807, Lavey, Ira Francis. A-6732401, Veski, Leonhard. A-6170648, Villanueva, Ana Altuve or Ana A-6432134, Layton, Carrie Marie. A-6732402, Veski, Hilda Alice (nee Hum­ Altuve Villeneuva (nee Ana Bautista Altuve · A-1506131, Lozano, Emilio Flores. berg). Carrillo). A-7126177, Machis, Nancy Amy (nee Gal- A-4855514, Wallus, Maria Flora Vanegas A-7137379, Voujoukas, Nicholas George or vin). or Maria Venegas Clarte. Vougioukas. A-7137730, Martinez, Lucrecia. A-4515267, Williams, Arthur Victor. A-6378734, Wang, Boardman Cheng or A-7286255, Martinez, Pablo. A-7450296, Williams, Georgette Jeanne. Cheng Want. A-7096161, Masters, John. A-6169090, Young, Soledad Ruiz. A-6663076, Wang, Mary Dah-Gin Hung or A-6685210, Mata-Villegas, David. A-6169094, Young, John Robert. Mary Dah-Gin Hung. A-7934359, Merder, Ara Serkiz. A-2771405, Zung, Ming Kwai Max. A-6504785, Welch, Mary Wong. A-7139568, Metzger, Lina (nee Lina Guen­ A-7280025, Zybarth, Ingrid. A-6978770, Wesell, Heidemarie Barbara, ther). A-5015321, Amann, Jakob or Jacob Amann formerly Hiedemarie Barbara Lachenmaier. A-9616577, Molina, Guillermo or Guillermo or Jack Amann. A-5127146, Wong, Mon Ben or Wong Ton. Lazaro Antonio Ramon Molina Y Galan. A-6077507, Ashton, Hilda Olive (nee Tom­ A-3484705, Kang, Bun Po. A-7350991, Molina-Rivas, Antonio. kins). A-7606671, Kang, Dora (nee Zoen-Kwang A-4967947, Mosisch, Walter William. A-4826626, Balla, Hargit (nee Schonberger) Hwa). A-5573980, Moustakas, lean Leonidas or or Margaret or Marget Balla. A-4199987, Ades, Farida (nee Esses). John Mustakas. A-7188716, Barker, Harry Paine. A-7140360, Alaniz-Cerventes, Olivia. A-7131017, Niapas, Demetrios Nickolaos or A-7188717, 'Barker, Kenneth Arthur. A-5471138, Avakian, Hagop or Jack Avakian James N. Niapas. A-7188718, Barker, Marry Edgar. or Jack Jacobian. A-9670771, Nilsen, Karsten Martin. A-1222188, Bartig, Walter George. A-5629276, Bandriak, John. A-4774990, Nishimura, Hisayoshi alias A-5665545, Bienkowski, Frank Joseph. A-7137904, Batista, Carlo. Heikicki Masa. A-6873359, Bouzios, Efstathia Theodore A-681307'1, Bedrylo, Wladyslaw. A-4959036, Nishimura, Mitsuru or Frank (nee Drouzia) . A-6306476, Bello, Elsa Altagracia (nee M. Nishimura. A-9623979, Carros, Theocharis Andre. Dominguez) • A-7014143, Palka, Mary or Marja (nee A-4821853, De Segobia, Juanita Gomez or A-7133036, Berry, Christel Erna (nee Zaetz or Zajac). Juana Gomez. Christel Erna Mattke). A-2307139, Pantelas, Kostas Manolis or A-5315619, De Souza, Jose da Rocha. A-7022485, Biggar, Sterling Russel or Ster­ Gus Pantelas. A-1525776, Drombrowsky, William. ling Russel Brown. A-6352418, Papavassilliou, George Christos. A-4809078, Donato, Guiseppe or Joseph A-7955663, Brandon, Dora, formerly Dora A-6441371, Pena, Vilma Garcia. Donato. Bounatian. A-6268905, Penniston, Chunchi Nying or A-9783230, Dos Santos, Antonio Rodrigues. A-1854085, Bowen, McAulay or Bowen Nying Chun Chi. A-5387185, Duncan, George Frederick Wil- McAulay. A-1484192, Pessetto, Domenico Emilio. liam. A-6985335, Bruneau, Marie Therese Mona A-1645625, Pessetto, Eliza (or Elizabeth) A-5024915, Ellerman, Helene Elsabe. Alice Hoogstraten. (nee Morosini) . . A-6568210, Foseid, Elnar Lorang. A-7119160, Busetti, Simone Canton (nee A-3814843, Petrou, Theofanis or Theofanis A-6505601, Foseid, Anne Lise (nee Hansen). Canton). Petron or Thero Petron. A-6764710, Golfi.dis, Dimitrios or James A-5571043, Caldarola, Maria Angelina A-6343135, Pordes, Paul or Paul Pordes Golfidis. Dinardo. Groshler. A-1080551, Greenberg, Sigman or Sam A-6794834, CardelU, Aldo Bruno. A-7280069, Ramsey, Rudolph Leofrice. Greenberg or Sam Green. A-9764820, Carmichael, Adolphus Standi­ A-7188169, Randall, Laura Bell (nee Mc­ A-5495968, Karttunen, Pola (nee Jurkin) • ford or John Charles or John Richardson Donald). A-5396466, Koloijieczyk, Anton or Anton Charles. A-7795656, Ravelo, Fernando Augusto or Pis. A-5882693, Carmosin, Eric Otto Albert. Fernando Augusto Ravelo y Franco. A-4955142, Kunisawa, Yaemi Taketa. A-3409250, Chan, Chun Fai or Paul Chun­ A-7203619, Rivera, Salvador or Salvador A-6808528, Leckie, Annie (nee Anna Fai Chan or Paul Chan. Terrazas. Adams). A-5450305, Chang, Sunru or Sun Ru Chan~ A-5568043, Robinson, Benjamin Augustus. A-5378992, Lewin, Maria Anna Rieg or Mary or Mrs. Jack T. Chao. A-1553113, Russo, Dolland Alice (nee Rieg or Maria Kellner. A-6513590, Coumantaros, George Polychro­ Therriault). A-6008182, Lo, Anna Yin-Chu. nis. A-6238479, Sanchez, Roberto or Roberto A-5606375, Lopes, Alberto Goncalves. A-4230984, Cozzarin, Emelia. Sanchez-Aguirre. A-2551627, Lunzer, Frank or Franz A-7081477, Delahaye, Ji:ric St. Anthony Liv­ A-6089788, Schell, Anna Bubryak (nee Luntzer. ingston or George H. Williams or John H. Anna Bubryak). A-7394046; Lumpe, Gertraude Berta. Ainsley. A-5625284, Schulzek, Frederick William or A-7392163, Lumpe, Christa Maria. A-7350992, De Molina, Isabel Marrufo. George Willig. A-7457939, Lynn, Grace Chung-Yu. A-7125347, Dovalis, Evelyn or Eftichia Kon- A-4099180, Shizuko, Otera or Hirasawa A-1867226, Ly-Yuen, Ho or Ly Yuen Ho. stantinos Kyriakopoulos Dovalis. · Shizuko. A-7196292, McClean, John Gerald. A-7249029, Elliott, Pauline Inge. A-7299343, Shofelinov, Alexander Dimitrov A-4.9480-M, Michalski, Sephanus (or Szcze- A-7173007, Engstrom, Reuben Walfred. or Alexander Dimitrof Chofelinov. pan or Szchepan) or Steve Malek. A-7140632, Eubanks, Michael Milton for- A-7203559, Skinits, Chrisostomos. A-5547061, Miller, Fanny (Fannie) (nee merly Cadd. A-5152147, Sou, Yee Wing. Burstock) (Berstok). A-5058166, Folz, Anna Marie (nee Anna A-5808715, Stipanov, Dragutin Emil or A-4817498, Monforte, Joaquin Cebamanos Marie Muth). Charles Papin. or Jack C. Monfort. A-6618067, Fuentes-Vallejo, Manuel. A-7240158, Stoehr, Richard EmU Walther A-4616715, Monforte, Francisca Anso Vera A-7886714, Gaeta-Perez, Jesus. • or Richard Emil Walther Stohr. or Frances Monfort or Francesca Anso Vera. A-7117920, Gouke, Etheline or Etheline A-7203119, Telfer, Joanne. A-4698604, Mulzet, John. Grant. A-7203575, Telfer, Junior, Charles Wilson. A-4298118, Muscatelli, Vito or Vito Deliso. A-5123965, Greenberg, Ida. A-7112572, Torres, Hector Justino or Hec- A-4999273, Nakamura, Tadashi. A-5614658, Guerricaechaverria, Nicholas or tor Justino Torres y Rodriguez. A-5424946, Nekat, Emma. Nicholas Guerrcaechevarria or Nick Eche- A-2131966, Touloumbas, Nickolas or Nico­ A-5142722, Perrotta, Antonino. varria. · las Touloumbas alias Nickolas Chelis or A-5142535, Perrotta, Giuseppina or Giu­ A-6361051, Haines, Mignon Christine. Nickolas Vagelis or Nicolas Mavri Touloum­ seppa Di Maio. A-1562641, Hayashi, Masao or Masao Fran- bas. A-9836240, Porterior, Crescencio or Cre­ cis Hayashi or Paul Hayashi. A-6924758, Vandenbergh, Jacob. scencio Porteiro Y Rial. A-7188375, Jung, Chee Ping or Jung You. A-6339069, Vandenbergh, Ellen Allee (nee A-1470595, Pessetto, Anita Gemma. A-5618249, Kahn, Warris. Elias). A-7203416, Ramondette, Blanca (nee Casas A-3743579, Kanzaki, Shigeo or Shigwo Kon- A-5707014, Vera, Marcial Asebes or Bera. Y-Pando). zaki or Shigews Konzaki. A-7249863, Viliar de Torres, Maria Reyes A-6668104, Sapountzakis, Themosticles. A-5878142, Kmicik, Bronislaw. De. A-7203618, Serrato-Rodriguez, Jesus or A-5448366, Kodani, Fumi (nee Azazuma). A-7249864, Torres, Jose. Jesus Serrato. A-4384367, Kozlowich, Andrew Boris or An· A-7704339, Wachsmuth, Berta (nee Wun­ A-4026346, Spitzwieser, Ferdinand or Fred. drew Bria Kozlowich or Andrew Kozlowick ner). A-4213572, Spitzwieser, Amalia (nee alias Henry Boris Kozlowski. A-7390748, Watson, Vincent. Aigner). A-5568820, Kropik, John. A-6760385, Wesselink, Leonard or Robert A-4817136, Springmann, Dorothea (nee A-4633123, Kropik, Anne (nee Wickie). Wesley. Frick). A-4855966, Kubota, Ryochei or Riyohei Ku- A-5180738, Wicker, Jack or Jankiel A-7274106, Stennett, Beresford. bota. · Wichnes. XCVII-399 6334 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE JUNE 11 A-9836721, Wiitainoja, Urho Ruben or the supreme court, Territory of Hawaii, By Mr. KILGORE: George Erickson. vice Hon. Samuel B. Kemp, retired. At Editorial entitled "President Must Have A-7134530, Wood, Anne Fernande or Anne the indicated time and place all per­ Controls Law," published in the Parkersburg Fernande Payot Meyer. (W. Va.) Sentinel of June 7, 1951. A-7138114, Woods, Edward Andrew or Ed· sons interested in the nomination may By Mr. JOHNSTON of South Carolina: ward Andreas Woods or Edward Woods or make such representations as may be Article entitled "The Critical Shortage of Charles Woods or Ed Woods. pertinent. The subcommittee consists of Scientific and Technical Personnel," written A-3603217, Yung, Chiu Ging or Chiu the Senator from Nevada EMr. McCAR­ by William G. Torpey, and published in th~ Sheung Ming or Herbert Chew. RAN], chairman, the Senator from North Personnel Administration, bimonthly jour­ A-3066328, Chiu, Lee Gam Yoke or Lee Carolina EMr. SMITH], and the Senator nal of the Society for Personnel Adminis­ Gam Yoke. from Utah [Mr. WATKINS]. tration. A-1474387, Yutaka, Yeisai or Jack Yutaka By Mr. KERR: or Kesai Toyo. NOTICE OF HEARING ON NOMINATION OF Discussion between Senator KILGORE and A-6073384, Zapien-Reynosa, Conrado. INGRAM M. STAINBACK, TO BE AS­ Point 4 Administrator Henry G. Bennett on t h e poin t 4 program and its con tribution to BILLS INTRODUCED SOCIATE JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT OF HAWAII United states security. Bills were introduced, read the first Mr. McCARRAN. Mr. President, on THE FORTY-THffiD DIVISION AND CAMP time, and, by unanimous consent, the PICKETT second time, and referred as follows: behalf of the Committee on' the· Judi­ By Mr. DWORSHAK: ciary, and in accordance with the rules Mr. AIKEN. Mr. President, I ask S. 1639. A bill for t h e relief of Osvaldo of .the committee, I desire to give notice unanimous consent that I may make a Castro y Lopez; to the Committee on the that a public hearing has been scheduled brief statement relating to the Forty­ Judiciary. for Monday, June 18, 1951, at 9:30 a. m., third Division and conditions at Camp By Mr. MOODY: in room 424, Senate Office Building, upon Pickett. s. 1640. A bill for the relief of Cathy Dana the nomination of Ingram M. Stainback, The VICE PRESIDENT. Is there ob­ Besser; to the Committee on the Judiciary. of Hawaii, to be associate justice of the jection? The Chair hears none, and By Mr. ECTON: S. 1641. A bill authorizing the Secretary Supreme Court of the Territory of the Senator from Vermont may proceed. of the Interior to issue a p atent in fee to Lee Hawaii, vice Hon. Edward A. Towse, ele­ Mr. AIKEN. Mr. President, much Vance Sanders; to the Committee on Interior vated. At the indicated time and place comment has been aroused over the ar­ and Insular Affairs. · all persons interested in the nomination ticle on the Forty-third Division and t By Mr. LANGER: may make such representations as may Camp Pickett which appeared in the ~ S. 1642. A bill to amend the Armed Forces be pertinent. The subcommittee con­ June 4 issue of Time magazine. It is Leave Act of 1946 to increase to 120 days the sists of the Senator from Nevada EMr. unfortunate that the publishers of Time amount of leave which members of the magazine saw fit to print this story at Armed Forces may accumulate; to the Com­ McCARRAN], chairmr..n, the Senator from ·mittee on Armed Services. North Carolina EMr. SMITH], and the this time. Had it been used 8 months I S. 1643. A bill for the relief of Rowab Ullah, Senator from Utah EMr. WATKINS]. ago, the description of conditions pre­ vailing at Pickett would largely have ·Abdul Khalique, and Aklu Miah; and ADDRESSES, EDITORIALS, ARTICLES, ETC., 1 S. 1644. A bill for the relief of Gulam been accurate. Khan, Ghulam Khan, Khur Shad Wazeer, PRINTED IN THE APPENDIX The Forty-third Division was called Mohabit Khan, Ali Khan, Shear Bader, Zarif On request, and by unanimous con­ into Federal service last September and Khan, Ra him 'Shah, Noroz Khan, Alah Dad, sent, addresses, editorials, articles, etc., ordered to Camp Pickett for training. 'Abdul Razak, Havel Khan, Waras Khan, ;Rahim Shah, Said Miah, and Merullah; to were ordered to be printed in the Ap­ During the first 2 or 3 months there was 'the Committ ee on the Judiciary. pendix, as follows: a state of great confusion. The camp By Mr. SPARKMAN: By Mr. FERGUSON: itself was completely unready for occu­ S. 1645. A bill to amend the act incor­ Statement by him paying tribute to Mrs. pancy. Supplies of all kinds, even proper porating the American University; to the Loleta Fyan, St ate librarian of Michigan. food, were lacking for the first few weeks. Committee on the District of Columbia. By Mr. O'CONOR: The post was overcrowded within a short By Mr. EASTLAND: Statement by Senator IVES on June 5, 1951, time. Arrangements for family de­ S. 1646. A bill for the relief of Dr. Abra­ before the Subcommittee on Reorganization pendency allowances were faulty and ham Richard Best; to the Committee on the of the Senat e Committee on Expenditures Judiciary. in the Executive Departments, in support of many families did not receive their al­ By Mr. ROBERTSON: Senate bill 1166, pr'oviding for the appoint­ lotments for weeks or months after the S. 1647. A bill to amend section 13b of the ment of ~ commission to study the admin­ men were called into service. Members Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes; istration of the overseas activities of the of ..Congress from Rhode Island, Con­ to the Committee on Banking and Currency. Government. necticut, and Vermont received hundreds By Mr. HOEY: Editorial entitled "Shipping and Fish­ of complaints about conditions at Camp S. 1648. A bill for the relief of Jan de eries," published in the Nippon Times, of Pickett. Bakker; to the Committee on the Judiciary. Tokyo, Japan, April 19, 1951, dealing with The situation which prevailed at that LABOR-FEDERAL SECURITY APPROPRIA­ shipping and fisheries in Japan. time, however, was in· no way the fault TIONS-AMENDMENTS Letter written by William L. Marbury and of the Forty-third Division or its officers. published in the Baltimore Sun of June 4, Mr. DOUGLAS submitted amendments 1951, relating to universal military service. The Pentagon had simply ordered the Intended to be proposed by him to the • ·By Mr. BENTON: men into Federal service without making amendment of Mr. FERGUSON to the bill Article written by Lowell Mellett and pub­ preparations to receive them. This sit­ the railroad retirement trust ·fund. The Mr. BENTON. Mr. President, I do i The Senator from New Hampshire ' total for these purposes is $2,577,431,- not think the Senator has understood [Mr. TOBEY] is absent on official business 968. my question. of the Committee on Crime Investiga- ·. Orie hundred and ninety-nine million The VICE PRESIDENT. Does the tion. " eight hundred and twenty-eight thou­ Senator from New Mexico yield to the I The VICE PRESIDENT. A quorum is sand and seven hundred and eight dol­ Senator from Connecticut? pres~nt. lars is for the Department of Labor. Mr. CHAVEZ. No; I decline to yield LAP OR-FEDERAL SECURITY APPROPRIA· When compared to the total amount of at the moment. 1 The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator " TIONS, 1952 , appropriations carried in this bill, the 'appropriation for the Department of from New Mexico declines to yield. The Senate resumed the considera­ Labor is infinitesimal. · · Mr. CHAVEZ. Let us now reftect on tion of the bill (H. R. 3709) making ap­ One billion seven hundred and sixty­ the charges of the Senator from Illinois. propriations for the Department of La­ four million six hundred and three thou­ Mr. NEELY. Mr. President, let me bor, the Federal Security Agency, and sand two hundred and sixty dollars is for ask the able Senator from New Mexico related independent agencies, for the the Federal Security Agency. whether both the subcommittee and the fiscal year ending June 30, 1952, and for Six hundred and thirteen million dol­ full committee carefully considered the other purposes. .Jars is for the Railroad Retirement subject which the Senate is now dis­ r The VICE PRESIDENT. The question Board. cussing? is on agreeing to the amendment pro­ · On Friday, the senior Senator from Mr. CHAVEZ. Not only did we do posed by the Senator from New York" Illinois CMr. DOUGLAS] said the committee that, but the Senator would be surprised 1CMr. LEHMAN] to the amendment offered : has made very minor reductions in the to know that nine members of the com­ by the Senator from Michigan CMr. FER­ · appropriations carried in the bill as it mittee privately, in the committee room, GUSON], for himself end other Senators." came from the House of Representatives; voted to report the bill. Notwithstand­ 1 Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, as he said that the $112,867,530 by which ing that, only the other day nine mem­ chairman of the subcommittee which re-. the committee has voted to reduce the bers of the committee voted for cuts ported this bill, I fully realize and ap­ allowances made by the House is of in the appropriation. That, of course, preciate the fact that the Senate is pass- · little moment. Mr. President, the bill i::: their own business, and no one is com­ ing on the bill, but I wish all 96 Sena- " as reported to the Senate by the Appro­ plaining about it, except that I desire tors to realize what is before them be­ priations Committee carries appropria­ to give them a little factual information. fore they take action. For that reason, tions amounting to $112,000,000 less than The committee cut repeatedly. As a I have prepared a short statement in re­ the allowances made by the Hou8e of general rule, as the Senator from West gard to the effect of the amendment Representatives. When a reduction of Virginia knows, it is expected that the submitted by the Senator from Michi­ $112,000,000 is made in the committee, Senate committee will restore cuts made gan. I do not think it can be said that such by the House. In this instance, we cut · I want all Senators to realize that the a reduction is of very little moment. $112,000,000 more than did the House. budget estimates for all agencies em­ Let us reftect on the charges made by Mr. NEELY. Is it not true that the braced in this bill amount to $2,744,253, the Senator from Illinois. Senator from New Mexico and his sub­ 760, approximately $270,000,000 more Mr. BENTON. Mr. President, will the committee also decided, in effect, that than was appropriated for the current Senator yield at this point? the ma~ter to which the Senator from fiscal yea:r for these purposes. I should Mr. CHAVEZ. I yield. Connecticut has referred is one of reality like to have all Senators to follow these ; Mr. BENTON. Is it not fair to say that instead of bookkeeping hocus pocus? figures with me. the contention made by the senior Sen­ ... . Mr. CHAVEZ. That is correct. The substantial increase in the esti­ ·ator from Illinois was that these were '' '.· Mr. NEELY. Mr. President, in the mates over the 1951 appropriations is ·actually bookkeeping transactions, circumstances, since the Senator from explained, first, by the abandonment of rather than reductions in fact in the Connecticut, in def ending the opposing the contract authority provisions, for ·budget, and that they represented ad­ argument made by the distinguished which in the 1951 bill there was provi­ ·justments which could have been made Senator from Illinois CMr. DOUGLAS], has sion for $100,000,000-plus, whereas in next year or the year after that? indicated that it is so incomprehensible this bill the provision for new obliga- \ ,t- Mr. CHAVEZ. No; we are talking that the Senator from Connecticut, even tional authority is in the form of cash: ~­ about Uncle Sam's dollars, $112,000,000 with his unlimited education and un­ second, by the increase of $124,000,000· '. of them. ·surpassable ability, is unable to interpret plus for payment to the railroad retire- .. Mr. BENTON. But the contention of it without the assistance of its eminent ment trust fund; and. third. • by a $20,- the Senator from Illinois was, if I prop- author, I must- support the committee's 1951 CONGRESSiONAL RECORD-SENATE 6337, - - _r,t;.• 'Ii~ - 'if ··• • 1>_-,"" ·,- ,- ,. I comprehensible, logical, and impressive : After all, the Government must carry ·. -·. Mr. PASTORE. Is the junior Senator recommendation instead of the amend­ on. Of course, it would be possible for · from Rhode Island correct in assuming ment which is designed to impair it. us to save the entire amount. We could 7 • that the subcommittee has already re· Mr. CHAVEZ. I thank the Senator i?ave the entire amount, but I ask Sena.. '{ , duced the appropriation by 5 percent? i from West Virginia. . tors, do we not desire to do our duty? f •. Mr. CHAVEZ. The subcommittee, Mr. President, let us now reflect on _We took an oath of office that we would,~ ; joined in by the full committee, is recom·: the charges of the Senator from Illinois. under the Constitution, do certain ~ mending that kind of an amendment.1 The total estimates for grants and bene­ things, including providing funds for the \The amendment of the Senator from fits, not merely grants and benefits to operation of the Government. Yes; it ' Oregon [Mr. CORDON] is to the effect Alabama, Connecticut, Illinois, Arizona, would be Possible to save every penny ; : that 5 perceµt of the payroll items be New York, New Mexico, or Arkansas appropriated by this bill, but would that , deducted. • but the total grants and benefits-and be desirable? On the contrary, do we : Mr. FERGUSON. Mr. President, will I repeat, we are not now talking about< not want to carry on the orderly proc- the Senator yield? payrolls-are, as I outlined before, $2,- esses of government, without waste? Mr. CHAVEZ. I yield. 577,431,968, leaving for all other objects The full committee deliberated for · Mr. FERGUSON. That does not in· of expenditure-that is, for travel, per­ more than a week on the individual elude hospital services. sonal services, communications, the items, and finally approved a bill appro· Mr. CHAVEZ. We are trying to make transportation of things, for rents and priating $215,000,000 less than the esti· an exception of them. I think the Sen­ utility services, printing and · reproduc- · mate of the Budget Bureau and $112,- ator from New York [Mr. LEHlllANJ .is tion, other contractual services, sup­ 000,000 less than contained in the bill · trying to make an exception in that case. plies and materials, equipment, and for as passed by the House. It appears now Mr. PASTORE. While it may be a taxes and assessments-a grand total of that it would have been better, had the very expeditious way of accomplishing $166,000,000 plus. I repeat that the ap­ bill not been referred to the committee, . the result, what is the logic in recom­ propriation for grants to the 48 States but, instead, placed on the calendar to mending a reduction across the board? and our possessions is $2,577,431,968( be considered on the floor of the Senate, I am not trying to be critical at all; I while for personal service and other ob­ to be subjected to delicate surgical op- am seeking information. There may be jectives, to carry on the functions of erations. on the part of advocates of some offices in the Department which Government as provided in laws which economy, provided the move for economy have 20 percent more help than they we have passed, the appropriation is is publicized, so that due credit may be need. We would tolerate in such an of­ only $166,000,000. Had we disallowed all received by Members on this floor. The fice a 15 percent overstaftlng, but there requests for funds for these items, we amendment offered by the senior Sena- might be other offices which were under.. · would have saved $166,000,000, com­ tor from Michigan [Mr. FERGUSON] was staffed. It strikes me that that is a pared with the estimates. But we re­ presented to the full committee, where very unwise way of reducing personnel ported a bill appropriating $215,000,000 it received some support. The Senator appropriations. under the estimates, wWch to the Sena­ gave notice that he would offer such an Mr. CHAVEZ. It is not a question of tor from Illinois is a minor savings. amendment from the floor. That was whether it is even sound. I agree com­ Possibly it is a minor saving; but after entirely proper, and there is no com· .. pletely with the remarks of the Senator complete hearings to determine the plaint in that regard. ~~'. from Rhode Island, but I still believe in amounts necessary in order to carry on But there was no move in the com- supporting committee action. The com­ the functions of Government, or at least mittee to allow a lesser amount for the mittee approved the amendment pro­ ·in order to enable it to try to function, two items already reduced by floor ac- posed by the Senator from Oregon [Mr. I and in order to have the various tion-the immediate office of the Sec- CORDON] to place a cut of 5 percent ·on branches of the Government do what retary of Labor, and the Office of the So.. the payrol~ as to individual items. The they say should be done, we allowed a licitor of the Department of Labor. For Senator did not want to have the sum which is $215,000,000 under the esti­ the office of the Secretary the estimate amendment apply to the public health mates. Perhaps the strongest objec­ was $1,4'15,000, of which the House items. They are the only ones that tion to the committee action is that it allowed $1,425,000, and the committee would have been protected. But, out- . left for some of our vocal proponents $1,400,000. 1 repeat, no member of the side those exceptions, the cut is 5 per-l of economy very little ground for public committee suggested that more should cent. The committee reported the Cor­ demonstrations. have been cut from this allowance. For don amendment, and I think that is as The committee instructed the Depart· the Office of Solicitor, the estimate was far as we should go. That is why I am ment to tell us where to cut, inform­ $1, 750,000, of which the House allowed objecting to the amendment of the Sen­ ing them that, if they did not tell us $1,650,000. The subcommittee, of which a tor from Michigan [Mr. FERGUSON] that where to cut, the committee would do I am chairman, allowed an increase of would make a cut of 10 percent. I the cutting. But it appears that the $50,000, or $1,700,000. The full com- Mr. PAST~RE. If I correctly under­ only way by which it is possible to save mittee first disagreed to tWs raise, by a ~tand the seruor Senator_ f!om New Mex .. money is to allow the amounts of the tie vote but on reconsideration the sub· ico, he takes the PoS1t1on that that budget figures, and then refer the mat­ committe action was approved, allowing wou~d render the whole program inef.. 1 ter to the Senate, and let the Senate $1,700,000. There was not one word fect1ve. ! make whatever reductions it may see spoken to advocate less than the House Mr. CHAVEZ. It would appear to me fit. But when we provided $215,000,000 .allowance. Yet, the Senate on Friday, to mean complete ruination. under the estimates, I submit that when by a vote of 47 yeas to 29 nays, agreed Mr. PASTORE. If we s~r1:fice 5 P.er .. any Senator says that very little was to a motion to reduce the appropriation cent we do not render it meffect1ve. l done in the matter of saving money his for the Solicitor's Office to $1,575,000. ~, Why does the addition of 5 percent to statement is not well taken. I find that nine members of the com- the 5-percent cut recommended by the The committee held lengthy hearings, mittee on Appropriations voted in the committee make all the differe_nce? deliberated for more than a week be­ affirmative but none of them stated that Mr. CHAVEZ. It makes this differ­ fore the full committee on the individual they felt 'that too much was being ence: It would impose a limitation on the items, and finally reported a bill $215,- allowed to the Office of the Solicitor. I amount of m~ney that could be used for 000,0DO under the estimates, and $112,- have no complaint about that. All I for the services atiected. Under . the 000,000 under the appropriations pro­ am doing today is to advise the senate ~ordon ~m~ndment each and every item vided by the House. I ask Senators who about it. I believe in the majority of m the b1ll 1s cut 5 percent. As between have been in this body for some time, . . the two amendments, the Senator from When has it occurred before that the ~h1.s bod~ controlling. matters. Even i! New Mexico feels that the one providing Senate Appropriations Committee has i~ is agam~t a committee. re.commenda· for a 5-percent cut is sounder. I did not not restored cuts made by the House? t1on, I am m favor of maJor1t?' rule. . agree, but the committee did, that we But in this instance not only did we re­ Mr. PAST~RE. Mr. PreSident, will should cut the items 5 percent, but some- store them but we reduced the figures the Senator yield? thing had to be done, and the committee of the House bill $112,000,000. What Mr. CHAVEZ. I yield to the Senator took that action. I feel that a cut of 10 more can be expected of a committee? from Rhode Island. percent would be not only unsound, but 6338 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD---..SENATE JUNE 1.1 would be ruinous in the effort to carry from Rhode Island, that there might be voted. There is no measuring stick so on the functions of Government. one bureau in a department which did far as I know except in the minds of 1. Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will the not have sufficient personnel, and in an­ those who would like to see the Jensen Senator yield? other case there might be plenty of per­ amendment agreed to. It wa5 their idea Mr. CHAVEZ. In a moment. sonnel. In the final analysis, I believe that the resultant saving, if advantage '. It seems to me that the holding of it was felt that if we cut the appropria­ were taken of the Jensen amendment, Jengthy hearings on appropriation bills tion for the whole department 5 percent, might reduce the appropriations in is a meaningless task, and that the sub- the administrator could make allow­ dollars and cents by approximately 10 . committee markup and the full com­ ances to meet the very problem suggested percent. mittee markup are a waste of time, if by the distinguished Senator from Rhode Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, we favor Island. a saving. Of course, we do not want the 1!~: ~~~o:~=~~fi~~:. ofA~h:h~o!1~~~~~ Mr. CHAVEZ. That is correct. personnel situation to be thrown out of ·! are in executive session, perhaps due Mr. WHERRY. Even though many of gear in some particular places. We 'notice is not given of motions to reduce us felt that a personnel cut was the way figure it would be best to save in dollars 1appropriations. It cost $1,996.40, just to accomplish the objective, it seemed and cents without interfering with the under $2,000, for the stenographic re­ that that was not so practical as the way administration, if the necessity should port and transcription of our hearings. which the Senator from New Mexico has arise some time, of employing a stenog­ 1 discussed. 1It cost not less than $15,000 to have rapher or an analyst or some one for a I printed 750 volumes of the hearings, con­ Mr. CHAVEZ. That is correct. Let classified position. ~ sisting of 1,232 pages. me make another suggestion to the Sen­ Mr. HILL. Mr. President, will the r~ · Mr. President, I make these few re­ ator from Rhode Island. The Jensen Senator yield? marks, without complaining about what amendment is easy to understand. If Mr. CHAVEZ. I yield. 1the Senate may do, but, in. reflecting through retirements, deaths, resigna­ Mr. HILL. Is it not true that the ~upon the action of the Senate on Friday, tions, or otherwise, positions become va­ Jensen amendment was not considered and what appears to be a foregone con­ cant, under the Jensen amendment only or recommended by the House subcom­ fclusion of what will happen today, I have one out of four such positions could be mittee, and was not considered or recom­ tcome to the conclusion that it is useless filled. The subcommittee tried to devise mended by the full committee of the ~ to spend time in committee on these a formula that would not be so violent. House? bills. Members make no objection to the and we worked out a formula providing Mr. CHAVEZ. That is correct. approval of an amount for a particular that only one out of every two vacancies Mr. HILL. It was attached to the bill item, but in the well of the Senate, under should be filled. But, for the reason on the floor of the House. the eyes of the press and the public, which the Senator from Rhode Island Mr. CHAVEZ. On the floor; yes. .support is given to cuts proposed from has called to our attention, we finally Mr. HILL. An examination of the the floor. came to the conclusion that in order to RECORD will show there was very little leave some discretion as to what par­ ~ I know what the Senator from Michi­ debate and very little consideration given gan has in mind. He wants to cut waste, ticular positions a department should to it by the House. Is that not true? las does the Senator from New Mexico. fill-it might not need a stenographer, Mr. CHAVEZ. Yes. The subcommit­ '.But there is such a thing as cutting· but an analyst, or it might not need an tee which is handling the bill at this jmproperly. Of course we can cut the analyst, but a stenographer-we would moment did pay some attention to the 'number of employees on the floor of the make the cut in dollars and cents, and matter, and made some suggestions. 'senate; we do not have to appropriate leave discretion to the particular depart­ First, instead of one out of every four ment. It was finally decided that in­ there would be one out of every two. for them. But could the Government stead of filling one out of two or one out 'efficiently carry on? Of course we can of four of the positions which became Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will 'cut the number of Senate pages. Of vacant, 5 percent for personnel should be the Senator yield? course we can cut the number of elevator deducted under the bill, and that it Mr. CHAVEZ. I yield. operators. Of course, we can make cuts should be left to the department to de­ Mr. WHERRY. Is it not a fact that in many instances. But that is not the cide how it would use the money it ob­ the distinguished chafrman of the sub­ point. Cuts should be made on a sound tained. committee interviewed and contacted the basis. We can cut the number of our Mr. PASTORE. Mr. President, will Comptroller's Office and the Bureau of ofilce stenographers and save money, but the Senator yield? the Budget? does any Senator feel that if we should Mr. CHAVEZ. I yield. Mr. CHAVEZ. Yes. do that in the case of one who answers Mr. PASTORE. What formula was Mr. WHERRY. And labored rather the mail and the requests from back used in reaching the 5-percent figure? assiduously to try to modify the Jensen home, we would operate as efficiently as Mr. CHAVEZ. The formula used in amendment so the personnel limitation we do? We should get away from waste, reaching the 5-percent figure is strictly could be worked out on a practical basis. 'yes; I am in favor of that. But let us one of limitation, that out of the total This situation was encountered: It was try to behave as persons with reason. amount appropriated for personal serv­ stated that one office in the Department t· Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will ices no more than 95 percent can be used was more important than another, or the Senator yield? for payment of employees. That was the that one office was short of help or long !( Mr. CHAVEZ. I yield. formula which was used. of help. The subcommittee was r:ranted Mr. WHERRY. The question of the Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will certain additional days to work out a Senator from Rhode Island [Mr. PAS­ the Senator yield? practical formula. TORE] was a practical one, and while I Mr. CHAVEZ. Yes. Mr. CHAVEZ. Six days. feerthat the distinguished chairman of Mr. WHERRY. I should like to have Mr. WHERRY. It is my opinion that the subcommitee gave a very plausible the Senator from Rhode Island know the majority of the committee voted for answer, I think it should also be said. that the reason some Senators supported the Cordon amendment because they felt especially in the absence of the Senator the Cordon amendment-and I think I in the final analysis it would be more from Oregon [Mr. CORDON], that the shall support the Ferguson amendment-­ practical. I will say that I voted for :question asked by the Senator from was that the total saving in dollars and the Jensen amendment in an effort to Rhode Island was asked scores of times cents contemplated by the full applica­ make a saving. by members of the full committee. The tion of the Jensen amendment would Mr. CHAVEZ. Yes. It was felt the question was, "Why do it in this way?'• result in approximately a 10-percent re­ Cordon amendment would result in less H I desire to say to the distinguished duction in appropriation for personnel. damage. Senator from Rhode Island that the There was no measuring stick, as I un­ Mr. PASTORE. Mr. President. will chairman of the subcommittee worked derstand, but it was thought that result the Senator again yield? out a modified version of the Jensen might be accomplished. In order to go Mr. CHAVEZ. I yield. amendment in an attempt to make it at least a part of the distance the com­ Mr. PASTORE. I merely wanted to practical. That was very difficult to do. mittee accepted the 5-percent proposal. obtain information. I did not wish to for the very reason stated by the Senator At least that was the basis on which I appear critical. 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 6339

EMERGK.~CY FOOD AID TO INDIA­ purchase of food grains or equivalents in the appropriate agencies, institutions, or organi­ CONFERENCE REPORT United States. zations in India, for students, professors, "(b) No procurement of any agricultural other academic persons, and technicians who Mr. GILLETTE. Mr. President, I sub­ product within the United States for the are citizens of the United States to partici­ mit the report of the committee of con­ purpose of this Act shall be made unless the pate in similar activities in India, including ference on the disagreeing votes of the Secretary of Agriculture shall find and cer­ in both cases travel expenses, tuition, sub­ two Houses on the amendment of the tify that such procurement will not impair sistence and other allowances and expenses House to the bill nd relief packages and supplies of the American tors who are intensely interested in the unobligated is less than $90,000,000 an Red Cross. Funds now or hereafter available amount equal to the difference shall be ob­ during the period ending June 30, 1952, for measure are absent from the floor. Al­ tained from the issuance of notes in such furnishing assistance under the provisions of though a quorum call was had a short amount by the Administrator for the Eco­ th Ec-onomic CooperP:~ion Act of 1948, as time ago, I ask the Senator from Iowa nomic Cooperation Administration, who is amended, may be used to carry out the pur­ if he will yield in order that I may sug­ hereby authorized and directed to issue such poses of this section. gest the absence of a quorum, so it will notes from time to time during fiscal years "SEC. 7. (a) Any sums payable by the Gov­ not be necessary for him to repeat his 1951 and 1952 for purchase by the Secretary ernment of India, under the interest terms statement. of the Treasury, and the Secretary of the agreed to between the Government of the PRESIDING OFFICER. Does Treasury is hereby authorized and directed United States and the Government of India, The to purchase such notes and, in making such on or before January l, 1957 as interest on the Senator from Iowa yield for that purchases to use, as a public debt transac­ the principal of any debt incurred under this purpose? tion, the proceeds of any public debt issue Act, and not to exceed a total of $5,000,000, Mr. GILLETTE. I ask unanimous pursuant to the Second Liberty Loan Act shall, when paid, be placed in a special de­ consent that I may yield for the purpose as amended: And provided further, That posit account in the Treasury of the United of the Senator from Nebraska suggest­ $50,000,000 reserved by the Bureau of the States, notwithstanding any other provisions ing the absence of a quorum, without los­ Budget pursuant to section 1214 of Public of law to remain available until expended. ing the right to the :floor. Law 759 of the Eighty-first Congress from This account shall be available to the De­ The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there funds appropriated by that Act for expenses partment of State for the following uses. necessary to carry out the·provisions of the " ( 1) Studies, instruction, technical train­ objection? The Chair hears none, and Economic Cooperation Act of 1948, as ing, and other educational activities in the it is so ordered. amended, shall not be available for purposes United States and in its Territories or posses­ Mr. WHERRY. I suggest the absence of this section. sions (A) for students, professors, other aca­ of a quorum. "SEC. 4. (a) Funds made available for pur­ demic persons, and technicians who are citi­ The PRESIDING OFFICER. The poses of this Act shall bt- used only for the zens of India, and (B) with the approval of clerk will call the roll. 6340 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE JUNE 11 The Chief Clerk proceeded to call the While the language of the two bills Senate, but upon which I do not think roll. diifered, the conferees felt that there was it necessary to comment at this time. Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, I ask no diif erence as to the basic intent of Mr. MUNDT. Mr. President, will the unanimous consent that the order for the the provisions. It was our belief that Senator yield? quorum call be rescinded, and that fur­ the Administrator of the ECA in ne­ Mr. GILLETTE. I yield. ther proceedings under the call be dis­ gotiating the loan of funds to India Mr. MUNDT. If the Senator has con­ pensed with. should make every reasonable eifort to cluded his statement with reference to The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without seek repayment of the loan in part in the so-called Mundt amendment, I should objection. it is so ordered. strategic materials needed in the United like to ask him a few questions with ref­ · Mr. GILLETTE. Mr. President, as I States. We did not believe that specific erence to it. stated before the quorum call was start­ mention should be made of monazite, Mr. GILLETTE. Certainly. ed, I have a brief statement to make with a material whose export is embargoed by reference to the conference report, to the Indian Atomic Energy Act. The Mr. MUNDT. First of all, I desire to refresh the minds of Senators as to some mention of manganese in the Senate bill congratulate th3 Senator from Iowa and of the provisions of the measure. seemed unnecessary because at the pres­ his fellow conferees, especially the s~n­ On May 16, the Senate amended and ent time the United States receives about dor from New Jersey [Mr. SMITHJ, who passed S. 872. The House of Representa­ three-fourths of all the manganese which has been interested in the amendment tives subsequently amended and passed India exports. for a long time, on the very vigorous and successful battle which they made to re­ the bill and asked for a conf ere nee. The For these reasons the House language conferees met three times to resolve the tain the major portion of the Mundt on strategic materials was included in amendment in the bill. I realize, in view diif erences between the two Houses. section 2 of the report. For my part, In reporting to my colleagues, I am of the fact the House had not acted on however, I should not want the Admin­ the subject matter, and because the Sen­ glad to tell them that the diiferences istrator of this program to assume that between the two versions were not very ate Committee on Foreign Relations had the acceptance of the House language not had an opportunity to consider the great and they were resolved without by the Senate conferees in any way difficulty by the conferees. amendment, that under such handicaps lessens his duty to do the best that he the Senate conferees achieved a major LOAN OR GRANT can to acquire the strategic materials victory for the position supported by the On the basic question of whether our mentioned in the Senate bill. Senate. I should like to inquire, if I may, help to India should be in the form of MUNDT AMENDMENT as to the reasons which induced the con­ a loan or a grant, the two Houses were The Senate will recall that during ferees to take out of the original so­ in agreement. Both versions of the bill consideration of S. 872, we adopted an called Mundt amendment the provision provided for a loan. amendment proposed by the Senator dealing with the availability of money to It will be recalled that the original from South Dakota [Mr. Mu:NnTJ. That American eleemosynary institutions in bill presented to the Senate and reported amendment provided that interest re­ India. by the Foreign Relations Committee pro­ ceived from India on or before 1957 Mr. GILLETTE. In reply to the ques­ vided for half loan and half grant, but should be deposited in a special account tion of the Senator from South Dakota, we amended it in this body to make it for use in encouraging the exchange of let me say that, as he will recall, his all a loan. information, technicians, and academic amendment contained three subsections As Senators will recall, S. 872 author­ persons between the two countries. It with reference to the use of the money. ized the Administrator of the ECA would also have provided funds for the The first one was the section to which to negotiate the loan of $190,000,000 to use of American educational and phil­ he has referred, namely, the allocation the Government of India for the pur­ anthropic institutions operating in India. for designated educational, agricultural, chase of food grains, or their equiva­ No similar language was contained in experimental, scientific, medical, or phil­ lents, in the United States. The only the House bill, although a similar pro­ anthropic activities to American institu­ diif erence between the House and Sen­ posal was submitted but ruled out of tions engaged in such activities in India. ate in this respect concerned the source order. Subsection (b) provided for studies, in­ of the funds to be loaned. The House The conferees gave most careful at­ struction, technical training, and other version provided funds by means of a tention to the Mundt amendment. The educational activities in the United public-debt transaction, whereas the language finally agreed upon is in sec­ States, and for students, professors, and Senate bill provided that at least $100,- tion 7 of the report before us. It limits other academic persons and technicians. 000,000 of the amount should come from the funds to be available to $5,000,000 Subsection (c) provided for the ex­ funds heretofore appropriated to the instead of the sum of $23,000,000 which change of certain technical books, and ECA, the balance as necessary coming it was estimated would have accrued as so forth. from a public debt transaction. The interest prior to 1957, and as provided in The feeling in the conference commit­ House conferees accepted the Senate the bill as passed by the Senate. tee, which the Senator from Iowa shared, language embodied in section 3 of the Therefore, instead of approximately was that the language of subsection (a) report before us. $23,000,000 being provided, the sum was was so broad in its terms that it could REPAYMENT IN STRATEGIC MATERIALS cut to $5,0-00,000. include educational, agricultural, experi­ The language of the House and Sen­ That part of the amendment which mental, scientific, medical, or philan­ ate bills diifered with respect to pro­ would have provided funds for American thropic activities on the part of any viding for partial repayment of the funds institutions operating in India was also American institution, without limitation loaned by the shipment of strategic ma­ stricken. One or two clarifying amend­ as to the type of institution. Because terials ·to the United States. The Sen­ ments o1 the section were adopted. it seemed to the conferees that there ate version referred to "the immediate In view of the vigorous opposition of would be provided an open field for abuse and continuing transfer of substantial the House conferees to the Mundt of the purpose of the section, it was elim­ quantities of monazite and manganese" amendment and the fact that the Sen­ inated. required by the United States. The ate Foreign Relations Committee did Mr. MUNDT. I recognize that the lan­ House language did not refer to these not have an opportunity to give careful guage of the amendment could have been materials by name, but instead called study to the proposal at the time it was defined and clarified. It was drawn in for the transfer of materials "required considering S. 872, it seems wise to me haste. The Senate acted on the bill 24 by the United States as a result of defi­ that we have been able to agree upon hours earlier than I thought it would act. ciencies, actual or potential, in its own language which will provide limited I should like to ask one further ques­ resources." The House language di­ funds for a trial period. It may well be tion. As the Senator from Iowa knov.s, rected the Administrator of the ECA that if this program develops success­ the money is to be administered by the to "so far as practicable and possible, fully and to the mutual advantage of the division of the Department of State obtain for the United States the imme­ United States and India that additional which functions under Public Law 402, diate and continuin·g transfer of sub­ sums could be made available in the commonly known as the Smith-Mundt stantial quantities of such materials par­ future. Act, which provides that the Department ticularly those found to be strategic and There are a number of other minor of State shall have authority, whenever critical." changes in the bill which passed the possible, to utilize American volunteer • 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 6341 and philanthropic organizations in.carry­ Mr. GILLETTE. I think that is a of which we are in need. It is a direc­ ing out the terms of the act. fair statement. tive, and it has behind it the full force On the basis of what the Senator from Mr. DffiKSEN. I should like to ask of -action by both Houses of Congress. Iowa has stated, I do not believe it was a question. in regard to the am~ndment If that cannot be worked out, the loan the desire of the conferees to preclude which was offered on the floor of the does not have to be put into effect. It is that type of administration of funds in Senate by the Senator from New Hamp­ an attempt to protect the loan insofar the event the Department of State shire [Mr. BRIDGES]. As I remember as we can do so. should decide that it could do it more ef­ the text of that amendment, it made Mr. DIRKSEN. Let me say to the fectively than it could be done by other rather specific provision that we could Senator that it seems to me this general governmental agencies. . expect something by way of importations language presents. the very problem Mr. GILLETTE. I am sure that such of monazite sand and manganese; I which disturbed the Senator from New was not the purpose of the conferees. It think those were the two particular Hampshire [Mr. BRIDGES], and which was their purpose that the comprehen­ items which were mentioned. disturbed me, at the time when the bill sive language contained in the subsec­ However, the conference report sim­ was before us on the floor of the Senate, tion referred to should not open the door ply provides, in that regard, that- prior to its passage by the Senate. further. The Administrator is directed and in­ If the Government of India is going Mr. MUNDT. Precisely. In other structed that in his negotiations with the to carry out its intention and is simply words, the conferees were perfectly will­ Government of India he shall, so far as prac­ going to say, "We are sorry, but in this ing to have the present type of admin­ ticable and possible, obtain for the United States the immediate and continuing trans­ atomic age we cannot afford to develop istration used, but it did not wish to any trouble with our neighbors, and con­ open the door any wider. fer of substantial quantities of such ma­ terials particularly those found to be stra­ sequently you should not press us on this Mr. GILLETTE. That is correct. tegic and critical. point," then, according to all the prac­ Mr. MUNDT. I was very happy to tical processes in Government with hear the Senator from Iowa say that According to that provision, the trans­ which I am familiar, the net result will this was a sort of trial run. That state­ action will not really be on a quid pro be that we shall not get any of these ment is also included in the statement quo basis, as we have heretofore expected materials, whether we like it or not, not­ made by the managers on the part of that it would be. In other words, the withstanding the fact that the words the House. It leads me to hope that if matter including, of course, the repay­ ''directed and instructed" are to be ap­ the work is satisfactorily and construc­ ment of the loan, will be wholly within plied to the ECA Administrator, because tively carried out, as I hope it will be, the discretion of India. It will be v:holly Mr. Nehru and the Indian Government in subsequent legislation, either through within India's discretion whether we get have indicated before now in their mes­ appropriation measures or some other any of those materials finally. sages which have come here that they device, it may be possible to project it Mr. GILLETTE. It will not be wholly do not propose to liquidate this under­ beyond the $5,000,000 limitation. within the control of India, because un­ taking with critical materials. Mr. GILLETTE. That was in the der the negotiations which are to be Mr. GILLETTE. I am not quite so minds of the conferees. In view of the arranged for the culmination of this pessimistic as is the Senator from Illi­ fact that the Senator from South Da­ transaction, the Administrator of ECA nois, Mr. President. The fact remains kota was kind enough to speak in ap­ is directed by action of the Congress that we are making available funds of proving terms with reference to the to make this effort. What will actually the United States, at the request of In­ work of the Senate managers, I may add be obtained of course will be a matter dia, as a loan to India, under terms that for a time it appeared that their under his control. which we specify, for the use of their House counterparts would not accept Mr. DIRKSEN. However, the point starving people. We had a perfect right the amendment in any form whatever, I make is that if Mr. Nehru or if the to include in the bill as it passed the because of the fact that it had been Go#'ernment of India were to say, "We Congress, as we have done, certain pro­ stricken out in the House on a point of are sorry, but it is not practicable to visions directing the Administrator of order. We felt quite pleased that we send you any jute or any monazite the ECA in negotiating the loan to re­ were able to draft a compromise which sand"-which is thorium-bearing, and quest and demand that repayment be the House managers were willing to ac­ which we need in our country at the made in certain materials. If India· • cept and which would open the door for present time-"and it is not possible or does not want the loan, India does not what the Senator from South Dakota is practicable, because we may get into l:ave to take it. attempting to do. difficulty _with some of our oriental Mr. MUNDT. I wish again to con­ neighbors if we do it, to send you any Mr. DIRKSEN. However, it is, in my gratulate the. Senate conferees for their manganese," that would end the story, judgment, a foregone conclusion that fine work. However, lest it be under­ so far as we were concerned, and we India will get the loan and that we shall stood that the entire House was ada­ would not get a pound of those criticaJ not g;et the things we need most. mantly opposed to the amendment, it materials, notwithstanding the largesse Mr. GILLETTE. Again I am not so should be stated that there were a few of the American people. pessimistic as is the Senator from valiant gladiators, members of the Mr. GILLETTE. That is true, but Illinois. House Committee on Foreign Affairs, es .. then India would not get the loan. We Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. President, there pecially Representative JUDD, of Minne­ provide that these negotiations shall be are two other questions which I should sota, who were in agreement on the pur- carried on "so far as practicable and like to ask in this connection, if the port of the amendment. · possible." That is one of the conditions Senator will yield further. Mr. GILLETTE. That is absolutely under which we make the loan. We Mr. GILLETTE. Yes; I yield. correct. On behalf of my associates I direct the Administrator of ECA to ob­ Mr. DIRKSEN. Subsequent to the wish to thank the Senator from South tain these materials "so far as practica­ consideration of this bill in the Senate Dakota for his complimentary reference ble and possible." and wher1 it was passed by the Senate I to them. Mr. DffiKSEN. How are we to express saw a statement by a responsible Indian Mr. DIRKSE.N. Mr. President, will the matter so that it can be put on a official to the effect that the fam:ine in the Senator yield? quid pro quo basis, so that we shall be India had been overemphasized and was Mr. GILLETTE. I am glad to yield. sure that we shall get some of these ma­ not nearly so bad as had been repre­ Mr. DIRKSEN. I notice that the only terials, which we need today? sented to the House of Representatives difference in the arrangement is that Mr. GILLETTE. It cannot be pressed and the Senate. Did that come to the under the Senate version, available ap­ under the terms of this measure, because attention of the conferees? propriations would be used, as distin­ as reported by the conference commit­ Mr. GILLETTE. Not during the guished from a public debt transaction. tee, it is simply a directive that the ECA meetings of the conference committee. However, if at a later time the ECA re- · Administrator, from whom the loans will It was not discussed in the conference quired a restitution of these funds, the .come, shall work out "so far as practica­ committee. It came to my attention impact on the public debt will be exactly : ble and possible" an agreement for the thereafter. I have been disturbed about the same. Is not that the Senator's es­ repayment of some of these funds in that matter. and I shall refer to it later timate of the matter? such materials as are in short supply and in the day. • ..6342 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE JUNE 11 .,,.,, ,,;~~.,f; , Mr. DIRKSEN. Then the Senator to me that we had been following a ·~ Mr. WHERRY. Wherein, then, was from Iowa did see the statement and was course of conduct by means of which wa the Senator from Nebraska incorrect? disturbed about it, as I was; was he? . would scarcely receive our fee while the The vote was unanimous, was it not? It Mr. GILLETTE. I saw the statement situation was emergent, and then later was a voice vote, it is true. subsequent to the conference commit­ the debt would be blithely forgotten and Mr. GILLETTE. It was a voice vote, tee's meeting. our people would be left to hold the sack. and there was no dissenting vote, as I t Mr. DIRKSEN. Are the concessions So, Mr. President, if there were to be recall. in regard to ocean freight and the ad· a record vote on this measure-although - Mr. WHERRY. That is correct. To vances which may be made by the RFC I shall not press for one-I doubt very my mind, that was as strong a vote for shipping, in case vessels are not avail­ much whether I would support it in its as there would have been had a yea-and­ able, to be added to the amount, or are present form. nay vote been taken, in view of the fact they included in the $190,000,000? From Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will that there was not a dissenting vote. the language of section 5 of the confer­ the Senator yield? I do not want the Senator to feel that ence report I cannot tell whether they Mr. GILLETTE. I yield. I am critical. I have participated in are included or are in addition to the Mr. WHERRY. I do not wish to be- conferences, and I know that is soine­ $190,000,000. labor the conference report, but I am times very difficult to resolve a situation. Mr. GILLETTE. Does the Senator very much interested in section 2, which But this amendment is so import::mt that ref er to the $20,000,000 item? was just brought, to the attention of the I am wondering whether the conferees Mr. DIRKSEN, Yes. Senator from Iowa by the junior Senator might not have come back to the Senate Mr. GILLETTE. I now read from the from Illinois [Mr. DIRKSEN]. That sec- to request further instructions on "it. It conference report, in section 5: · tion is the so-called Bridges amendment seems to me the Senate is completely l The Reconstruction Finance Corporation with respect to the procurement of ·stra- abandoning its position. Was any new 1s authorized and directed to make advances tegic materials. evidence presented to the conference, or not to exceed in the aggregate $20,000,000 to I remember that the Senate very anything of that kind? the Department of Commerce, in such man­ strongly favored that amendment. Mr. GILLETTE. No, there was not. ner, at such times, and in such amounts as There was considerable sentiment in Of course. the conferees on the part of the President shall det ermine, for activation and operation of vessels for such transporta­ favor of it, and it was accepted. The the Senate had in mind the circum­ tion, and these advances may be placed in vote was unanimous; there was not one stances under which the amendment any funds or accounts available for such vote against it. was included in the bill on the floor of purposes, and no interest shall be charged on Mr. GILLETTE. That is correct. the Senate. They also had in mind the advances made by the Treasury to the Recon­ Mr. WHERRY. It was taken to con- fact that there was a question as to the struction Finance Corporation for these pur­ ference. As the Senator from Iowa well availability of monazite, and the fact, poses : Provided, That pursuant to agree­ knows, I have a deep respect for him, and which was presented to us in conference, ments made bet ween the Reconstruction Fi­ I know that conferences are held in the that the Government of India had a spe­ nance Corporation and the Department of Commerce, t h e Reconstruction Finance Cor- attempt to resolve differences. But, with cific prohibition against the exporting 1por a tion shall be repaid without interest not . a unanimous vote, I ask the distinguished of monazite ~'.1nds. In view of that fact, ;later than June 30, 1952, for such advances Senator why it is that we must recede a the conferees feel .that they assisted in either from funds hereafter made available long way from the Bridges amendment, working out in conference an amend­ to the Department of Commerce for the ac- and write into the bill merely a pious ment which meets the purpose which , tivation and operation of vessels, or, notwit h­ hope? I think it comes to that. Upon the Senator from New Hampshire had standing the provisions of any ot her act, from what basis did the conferees on the part in mind, namely, the purpose of insist­ :receipts from vessel operations. of the Senate recede from the Bridges ing, and of expressing the intent of the When this matter was before the For­ amendment, and upon what basis are Congress to the effect, that in the nego­ 'eign Relations Committee, at the hear­ we now asked to accept a provision tiation of this loan the fullest considera­ ings, the evidence we had was that there which, to my mind, is certainly permis- tion should be given to strategic ma­ was little doubt that the entire cost sive and not mandatory, a provision terials, without at the same time naming would be repaid from the earnings of which, as I have said before, expresses the materials. • these vessels with return cargoes and merely a pious hope, if it does anything Mr. WHERRY. Except that the future charges. at all? amendment is certainly permissive in • Mr. DIRKSEN. But the repayment Mr. GILLETTE. Answering the dis- nature. The matter is left really to the .provisions in section 5 relate only to re­ tinguished minority leader, I may say decision of ECA, under the foreign-aid payments and reimbursements made by that I believe he is in error with ref- program. the Department of Commerce to the erence to the vote. I merely wish to make my position RFC; do they not? Mr. WHERRY. The Senator refers to clear. Time and time again an amend­ i· Mr. GILLETTE. That is correct. the vote on the Bridges amendment, I ment on the subject of strategic ma­ Mr. DIRKSEN. I am wondering take it. terials has been offered on the floor of whether there are to be reimbursements Mr. GILLETTE. There was no yea- the Senate, not only in connection with for the carrying charges, in addition to and-nay vote. In addition to that fact, this bill, but in connection with other the $190,000,000 that is involved? there was colloquy on the floor, in which measures. Each time it finally results in Mr. GILLETTE. It is difficult to tell. the Senator from New Hampshire, the the adoption of a permissive amendment, : Mr. DIRKSEN. Certainly the lan­ author of the amendment, asked the an amendment which really means guage of the conference report is not Senator from Iowa whether he would nothing so far as reciprocity is con­ clear as to that. accept the amendment. The Senator cerned, or so far as the maintenance of Mr. GILLETTE. My honest personal from Nebraska said, "I understand the a two-way street is concerned. I sup­ opinion is that they would not be in­ Senator from Iowa is accepting the ported and voted for the India food pro­ cluded, but I do not possess sufficient amendment." The Senator from Iowa gram, but one of the important consid­ knowledge to be able to answer that said, "No, I am not accepting the amend- erations which influenced my decision question. ment, but if the Senate directs that it was the Bridges amendment. To me, Mr. DIRKSEN. I simply wish to make be taken to conference, I am willing to the report of the conferees puts an en­ this concluding observation, Mr. Presi­ take it to conference." tirely different aspect upon the situa- dent: First, I say to my friend from Mr. WHERRY. And so we had a tion; and I have to adopt a new approach Iowa that I think the conferees have vote. in order to support the conference re- done a good job. Mr. GILLETTE. The question was port. . Mr. GILLETTE. I thank the Senator. put. Mr. GILLETTE. It is true, as the Sen- . · Mr. DIRKSEN. But, on the other Mr. WHERRY. That is correct. ator from Nebraska has said, that the hand, I have not been divorced from the Mr. GILLETTE. And, without a dis- language adopted by the conferees is not sense of disLess which I previously had senting vote, the amendment was taken compulsory. with respect to what we are going to get to conference. Mr. WHERRY. That is correct. in return. When this bill was under Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will the Mr. GILLETTE. But it certainly con- consideration on the floor of the Senate, Senator yield? stitutes a directive; it expresses the iri- prior to its i:ass'.:l.ge, I mid that it seemed Mr. GILLETTE. I yield. tent of the Congress that the adminis- 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 6343 'irMtve officer, in the negotiation of the Mr. LANGER. Does not the very fact floor today, those who are to negotiate loan, shall try to carry out the wishes that Red China has taken over Tibet are instructed to keep in mind that of Congress. - make a big difference? American needs certain strategic ma­ With reference to the shipment of Mr. GILLETTE. I think that is un­ terials, and that in negotiating the loan monazite sands, I do not believe there is doubtedly true. there should be an understanding be­ a Member of the Senate who would agree Mr. LANGER. Is it not also true that tween the two nations that the loan is that we should take a position by which today the Government of India is in to be repaid by permitting exports of we would knowingly consent to a-viola­ power simply because the Communists jute, magnesium, and certain other ma­ tion of the plain intent of our Atomic of India, up to the present time, have terials- Energy Act by permitting the shipment not overthrown the government? Mr. GILLETTE. Strategic materials. of plutonium or uranium out of this Mr. GILLE'ITE. I do not believe the Mr. FERGUSON. Without naming country. That is analogous to what we conclusion is justified, I may say to my them? would be requiring of India as the basis distinguished friends, that the present Mr. GILLETTE. Without naming of a loan, before we would make food Government of India is in power simply them. available to her. because of that factor. It is a factor, un­ Mr. FERGUSON. When I first Mr. CHAVEZ, Mr. LANGER, and Mr. doubtedly, of its continuance in power. drafted my amendment, which was de­ FERGUSON addressed the Chair. Mr. LANGER. The Senator is fa­ signed to provide a loan instead of The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. HUNT miliar, is he not, with some of the articles money, I used the words "so far as prac­ in the chair). Does the Senator from which have appeared recently in the ticable," in connection with furnishing Iowa yield; and if so, to whom? newspapers, stating that Nehru has lost strategic materials. .Mr. GILLETTE. I agreed to yield to practically all of his -power, and that the Senator from New Mexico. When I India is rapidly becoming a Russian Mr. GILLETTE. That is the identical have first yielded to him, I shall then satellite? language of the Senator's amendment. . yield to the Senator from North Dakota, Mr. GILLETTE. That is very disturb­ . Mr. FERGUSON. But that was and then to the Senator from Michigan. ing to the Senator from Iowa, and to amended by the Senator from New Mr. CHAVEZ. The country as a every other citizen of the United States. Hampshire [Mr. BRIDGES], who proposed whole is interested in monazite sand. It Mr. LANGER. In view of that situa­ to name the particular commodities, and so happens that in my State we are in­ tion, does the Senator believe that we to make it mandatory.- If our negotia­ terested in jute. Does the directive should send $190,000,000 to India? tors have the interest in America which which has been written into the bill by Mr. GILLETTE. That, of course, is a. they should have and if India has in the conference have anything to say in decision which the Congress must make. mind the fact that what is provided is regard to jute? I know that the Senator from Iowa, and a loan and represents an endeavor by Mr. GILLETTE. It covers all strate­ I feel sure every other Member of the America to furnish wheat for India's gic materials. It covers jute, as well as Congress, has had in mind, more than starving population, does the Senator other materials. anything else, humanitarian needs. feel that, with these instructions, they Mr. LANGER. Mr. President, will the While I have a deep interest in govern­ would agree there is no conflict with a Senator yield? mental philosophies and ideologies, I also basic principle? For instance, the Sen­ Mr. GILLETTE. Before I yield to the have a profound interest in aiding starv­ ator indicated that if some natio~tried Senator from ?-Torth Dakota, I desired ing children. There was a need in. that to ntake a deal for a loan with America to call attention to the language which regard which was presented to us as they should pay the loan by furnishing the Senator from Iowa used at the time being of extreme moment, and out of our strategic materials, if possible, or work the Bridges amendment was pending. resources I think the people of the out an arrangment for providing mona­ From the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD of May United States, and I know the Members zite sand if it would not interfere with 16, 1951, page 5411, I read: of Congress, are willing to contribute. a fundamental principle. Does not the Senator from Iowa feel that something Mr. BRIDGES. Mr. President, I should Mr. LANGER. Would the Senator like to ask the distinguished Senator from from Iowa be willing to send $190,000,000 of ~hat kind should be worked out, if Iowa whether he will be willing to accept my worth of grain to starving children in India really wants wheat? At times the amendment. Russia? Senator from Michigan has had some Mr. GILLETTE. Mr. President, I am not Mr. GILLETTE. That is a very tough doubt that India wants really to make willing to accept the amendment. I think question to ask the Senator from Iowa. a contract in relation to wheat, which it is fully covered in the general terms of If it could be sent to them without con­ might be for the reason that the great the amendment subtnitted by the Senator tributing to the Russian effort to com­ need in India today · is for rice. For from Michigan [Mr. FERGUSON], for himself centuries the Indian people have been and other Senators. However, I am w1lling munize the world, I think I would be to take the amendment of the Senator from willing to contribute food out of my accustomed to a diet of rice. When a New Hampshire to conference, to see if the own limited resources. . person gets very low on c.alories, he is language can be worked out. Mr. CHAVEZ. I would join the better able to digest and to assimilate Senator. a rice diet than a wheat diet. Therefore Mr. WHERRY. Then there was a vote what the Indians really need is rice, but on the amendment, was there not? Mr. DWORSHAK. Mr. Presi<'l ~n t, will the Senator yield? they cannot get it from Burma, China, Mr. CHAVEZ. That is correct. Indonesia, and some other countries, and Mr. GILLETTE. Yes, there was then Mr. GILLETTE. I yield. Mr. DWORSHAK. Does the confer­ they probably will want the money pro­ a vote on the amendment, because of the posed to be loaned in order to buy wheat fact that the Senator from Iowa did not ence report stipulate that our Govern­ ment will assume the transportation cost from America because of the condition accept it. The Presiding Officer put the of famine in India at the present time. question to the Senate on agreeing to the of the wheat, or whether the expense shall ·be included in the $190,000,000? Does the Senator feel that there is some­ amendment. thing to that statement? Mr. WHERRY. That is correct. Mr. GILLETTE. The reports of both committees, I think, make it clear that Mr. GILLETTE. I think the Senator Mr. GILLETTE. There was a voice from Michigan has made a very sound vote. India is to assume the cost of trans .. portation from our port of embarkation. and helpful statement, but I should like Mr. WHERRY. It had the same effect to amplify the statement he has just as though there had been a yea-and­ Mr. FERGUSON. Mr. President, will made by referenc.e to what I have said nay vote, as far as I am concerned. the Senator yield? on the floor of the Senate with reference Mr. GILLETTE. I think there is no Mr. GILLETTE. I yield to the Sena­ to the directive in the bill. In addition doubt about that. I yield now to the tor from Michigan. to that, the report of the House managers Mr. FERGUSON. Under the bill as Senator from North Dakota. to the House, and our report to the Sen-. Mr. LANGER. Has not the situation embodied· in the conference report; the in India changed very materially since money involved is all a loan, and not a ate, state as explicitly as language can this bill was passed by the Senate? grant. Is that correct? state what we want done, and I do not Mr. GILLETI'E. The Senator from Mr. GILLETTE. That is correct. believe any executive officer would re· Iowa has no direct information, but, Mr. FERGUSON. Under the word· fuse to carry out a dir.ective which is so judging from published reports, it has 1ng of the conference report, or, at least. clear and concise as is the directive we changed, according to the statements made on the have included. · 6344 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE JUNE 11 Mr. FERGUSON. Whether a deal is a record vote on the question of giving nations to keep a treaty. But I hope made between India and the United away $190.000,000 of the taxpayers' that every other nation that gives lip States will depend upon whether India money? service to democracy will feel that it is can really use the wheat and must have Mr. GILLETTE. We are not propos­ obligated to do as Finland has done, keep it, and whether we desire to serve the ing to give it away. It is a loan. Re­ its obligations. Finland has kept its ob­ interests of America. gardless of our sad experience with the ligations under the severest of condi­ · Mr. GilLETIE. That is correct. older nations of the world, India is a new tions. .While carrying on this colloquy with the Republic which may be anxious to keep Mr. President, I hope that what we Senator, I should like to say that his its credit good. We are making a loan say on the :floor today will mean to India, amendment with respect to the require­ for a wonderful purpose. I think there whether Mr. Nehru is in power, or ment that the President proclaim that is ground for entertaining a hope, not whether there be some other ruler or private shipping is not available before based on the record of some of the na- government, that we think she should additional ships are broken out of the · tions to whom we have loaned billions of repay her debt and keep her obligation. reserve :fleet was taken to conf.erence. dollars, but on the purpose behind the The Senator from Michigan has great Mr. FERGUSON. I am glad to know loan and on the reasonableness of our respect for the Indian people and likes that. expectation, that some of it will be re­ them, having been in India on several Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. Mr. Presi­ paid. occasions, he believe that if they are dent, will the Senator yield? Mr. LANGER. In view of the state­ given the power to speak, they will re­ Mr. GILLETTE. I yield. ment made by the Senator from Illinois pay this loan as soon as possible, and ·· Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. I wish to that he will not ask for a record vote, I will not look upon it as a gift from express my appreciation for the splendid may say that I am going to vote against America. · leadership which the Senator from Iowa the report, because I believe in first tak­ Mr. LEHMAN and Mr. LANGER ad­ , has shown. I have been closely identi­ ing care of the destitute in the United dressed the Chair. fied with him, and I am v.ery glad to States. Does not the Senator think we Mr. GILLETTE. Mr. President, be­ ·endor3e the report of the conferees. I should have a record vote when we are fore I yield I desire to say that I en­ 'appreciate the splendid exposition which to give away $190.000.000? Does he not dorse the statement just expressed by the Senator from Iowa has made on believe that we should go on record? the Senator from Michigan. As a Sen­ ~ "the :floor. Mr. GILLETTE. I am willing to go ator from Iowa I may add that I have ~ We considered the monazite question on record. I am not speaking for other not abandoned hope that there are in very carefully, and feel that the way the Members of the Senate. That is within 1 ·the community of nations, in the in­ 1House and Senate conferees reported the their province. ternational association of nations, some !'final bill is in the interest not only of Mr. LANGER. The distinguished remnants of the same principles of mo- ·India, but of the United States of Amer- Senator from Illinois stated that while · rality and honor and respect for obli­ ica as well. It was dealt with in a most he is opposed he will not ask for a record gations which I believe still exist in the effective manner in order to protect our vote. I want to say that the Senator vast majority of the individuals com­ interests, as well as those of the Indian from Nor th Dakota is going to ask for a posing this Nation. Even in the face people. record vote. of the fact that we see individuals vio­ I again desire to emphasize the impor­ Mr. FERGUSON. Mr. President, will late their spoken word, and fail to carry tance of feeding the women and children the Senator yield? out their obligations I am not willing ·of India, who are in no way to blame for The PRESIDING OFFICER ecause I thought my amendment was to be used to find cures for heart dis­ is gambling that we are going to spend 1clean cut and showed the ridiculous ease, cancer, and other serious diseases, $40,000,000,000 or $50,000,000,000 a year 'character of the move for false economy. some of which may kill some of the for 5 years. He puts his own money into I did not want to complicate the situa- . present Members of the Senate, and that gamble, and we obtain the produc­ ~tion. I think I was wise in not doing certainly they will kill many other per­ tion we need now, through the expendi­ so, because I can still vote against items ~ons. ture of his money, instead of by em­ ·as they are brought up. , I really am disgusted that the Senate barking on a socialized plan of govern­ 1 Mr. AIKEN. That would not be done. would seriously entertain a proposal to ment and then wiping out the entire in:. '.1 should like to ask the Senator from reduce these appropriations. After all, vestment after the war is over. ~Illinois whether the suffering of a 5-year- . _our Government spends more money in Mr. LEHMAN. Mr. President, the old homeless child is not of as much con­ taking care of cows than it does in taking Senator from Virginia knows very well cern to us as a person who has a bad care of babies. I think the Senator from that a war plant which is erected either ·heart. Vermont and the Senator from New York with or without the help of the Gov­ Mr. CHAVEZ. Certainly. are correct on this point. ernment has a normal life of 40, 50, or - Mr. AIKEN. Is not a cripple, who is Mr. ROBERTSON. Mr. President, 60 years or more; and a manufacturer a burden upon his community, but who will the Senator yield? who can depreciate such a plant in full wants to become self-supporting once Mr. LEHMAN. I yield for a question. in 5 or 6 years will certainly profit piore, as much our concern a~ any other I decline to yield for speeches until my th!'ough the generosity of the Govern­ person who is suffering from a disease? remarks are concluded. ment. I think they all ought to be included. Mr. ROBERTSON. I should like to Mr. ROBERTSON. Does the Senator Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, will the ask the Senator a question. from New York recall that in 1933, when Senator from New York yield? Mr. LEHMAN. Very well, I yield. the total capacity of our steel companies Mr. LEHMAN. I yield. Mr. ROBERTSON. I should like to. was approximately 70,000,000 tons, they Mr. CHAVEZ. From the bottom of commend the humanitarianism of the were operating at 50 percent of capac­ my heart I thank the Senator from Ver­ Senator from New York, but I should ity? N.:>w they are producing at the mont for his remarks. I know he belongs also like to ask him a question. Is it rate of 110,000,000 tons a year. Does the to the other side of the aisle, but he is true, as he said, that we are spending Senator think anyone can be certain true blue. He is an American. He rep­ millions of dollars to help millionaires that 110,000,000 tons of steel can be resents what I understand to be the con­ expand their war plants, or are we giv­ sold each year for the next 5 years or cept of our ideals, and a concept of what ing them certificates of necessity to 50 years, as the Senator has indicated? is American. I pay tribute to the Sena­ spend their own money? Certainly they are taking a gamble. tor from Vermont. Mr. LEHMAN. · That question has I think we owe more of a sacred duty nothing to do with the pending ques­ Mr. LEHMAN. Yes; I think they can. to the mentally ill. How can they pro­ tion, of cpurse. Mr. President, I wish to resume my re­ tect. themselves? The Senator testified Mr. ROBERTSON. So much misin­ marks. I have already referred to the before the committee that more than formation has been given out and so number of persons who are employed at 800,000 of them are in mental institu­ much distress has been generated there­ various health and research institutes tions. We are not talking about those by, that I think the Senator from New and the number of them who are en­ whose families can care for them, but York fell into error in using that point gaged in administrative work. I wish we are speaking only of those who are as an argument in favor of his amend­ tp continue my statement along those in public institutions. . Do we owe them ment to the amendment of the Senator lines. a duty? Should we give them some con­ from Michigan. In mental health activities, a total of sideration? Of course, we .know that Mr. LEHMAN. No; I do not think I 250 persons are employed, with an ad­ those who have heart disease can speak did. However, I should like to reply to ministrative staff of 36. for themselves and can make their own what the Senator from Virginia has The National Heart Institute has a complaints to Senators. However, that said. total staff of 367 employees, and only is not true of the poor unfortunates who Mr. ROBERTSON. I hope the Sena­ 12 of them are administrative employees. suffer from mental illness. So I am glad tor from New York will do so. The dental health activities have a that there are Members of the Senate Mr. LEHMAN. Under the certificates total of 222 employees, and only 7 of and there are people elsewhere in the of necessity, grants may be made to com- them are on the administrative staff. 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 6353 Mr. President, when it comes to the I feel so strongly about this question items which make up the bill which is question of saving money by reducing that it is hard to translate my feelings · now before the Senate. The committee appropriations for public works which into words. It is claimed that the , had in mind, both when examining the are demonstrated to be nonessential, I United States is an enlightened country, '.' justifications for the several items in will go as far as will any other Member and I know that it is. I am glad to say subcommittee, and in the markup by the of the Senate. However, Mr. President, we have done more in this country to ' subcommittee, as well as in the final ac­ in my opinion public health and research raise the standards of medicine, public . tion of the whole committee, the neces­ are essential activities in furthering the health, and sanitation than has been sities with respect to dollars which face safety and welfare of our people and done in any other country in the world; the Nation. The committee made cer­ of our Nation. If we are not convinced and in doing that, we have helped the tain severe reductions in many of the that by means of research and public whole world. We have not been selfish. items of the bill. When I say severe, health services we can save lives, and We have not reserved our advances, our I mean severe, so far as the committee can advance the health of our people, we discoveries, or the development of our within its limited time, could determine should not make any appropriations for sciences merely for the use of our own the facts. those purposes. However, we are con­ people. We have been glad to share I desire to be perfectly frank in dis­ vinced that appropriations for those them with other people. But we have a cussing the pending bill. I have said purposes will result in the saving of lives very long way to go. We have found before, and I now reiterate, that it is and in improving the health of our peo­ neither the cause nor the cure of many humanly impossible for the several sub­ ple, because history has demonstrated of the most deadly diseases known to committees of the Appropriations Com­ the value of these activities. mankind. We have conquered smallpox, mittee to make the careful, comprehen­ In New York State we have splendid yellow fever, typhoid fever, the plague, sive investigation into the executive de­ research facilities. We have there one ·and typhus, but we have not conquered partments of the Government which of the best research laboratories in the heart disease, mental disease, cancer, alone would permit the committee to United States. New York has long been · poliomyelitis, or the many other deadly do a fully advised job on appropriations. very active in the fight against pneu­ diseases with which human beings are The staff of the committee are devoted monia, particularly through the devel­ beset. and competent in their work, though in­ opment of serums. Our State has made I said Friday on the floor of the Sen­ sufficient numerically, and if the com­ large appropriations in that connection. ate that 1 .out of every 20 people in mittee, with its staff, cannot probe deep­ I am sorry that my distinguished col­ · this country either has suffered, is suf­ ly and comprehensively enough into the league, the senior Senator from New fering, or will suffer from some phase several justifications fully to understand York [Mr. IVES] is not now on the floor, of mental disease. I think the sufferers how much money is absolutely essential for I wish to state that I am very grate­ from mental disease are among the most to carry on the activities of Government, ful to him for the help he gave to me "Qnfortunate in the world, quite as un­ and what requests may be properly de­ when I was Governor of New York and fortunate as those who die more quickly nied, how much less able are the Mem­ when he was the leader of the majority from cancer or heart disease, because, bers of the Senate, with all deference in the New York State Assembly. He as has been said, they cannot help them­ to them and to their ability to do that gave me a very great deal of assistance selves, they need the help of others. work? That does not mean, Mr. Pr.esi­ in securing the necessary appropriations We are making progress in research dent, that the Senate should not at the for carrying on this work. and in the treatment of mental disease. appropriate time act, if it desires to act. The research work done in New York New York State today is spending more I believe, however, that it does mean and the various areas which are devel­ than $150,000,000 in the care and cure that the action of the subcommittee, oped, manufactured, and provided to the of the insane, in State institutions and followed by that of the full Committee doctors and hospitals in New York are of probably two or three times that sum on Appropriations, should at least carry tremendous service to the people of New is spent in private institutions and by some weight on the floor of the Senate York, and constitute a great protection families. when appropriation bills are presented. to their health and safety. But, Mr. We are making progress, though slow· Otherwise, perhaps we had better get rid President, let me say that I am quite as of the committee and legislate on the ly, it is true, in the study of heart dis­ ·floor of the Senate.· much interested in· saving the lives of ease, of cancer, and of other diseases those in the poorest of our States as I am Mr. President, the committee, in with which we are coping. Let us not examining the bill in full session, felt in saving the lives of the people in my call a halt to it. Let us not retreat. Let own State of New York; and we know that there had been one particular in us not tell the world that the study of which Congress had failed to do its full that many of the States have inadequate the diseases of chickens and cattle and duty in reporting appropriation bills in facilities, and, in some cases, no facili· pigs is more important to this country the past. That was in attempting to ties whatever, for research. than the study, u·nder proper research indicate in reports what portion of ap­ The Senator from Vermont asked what conditions, of the deadly disease which propriated funds should be used for the ·was the price of a child's life. It was a. beset mankind. We are going to get employment of personnel and what moving · and pertinent and timely ques­ at the seer.et of their prevention if pos­ should be used for other purposes. Such tion. Let me say that if we saw a chance sible, and, in those cases where pre­ a report can never be more than ad­ to save thousands or even hundreds of vention is impossible, the secret of cure visory. There is no legal obligation upon the lives of our fighting men or our other or at least of amelioration. We are not the departments to follow it. Substan­ citizens or protect. them against the haz­ going to do this by chance. Teamwork tially all items of appropriation carry­ ards of accident, catastrophe, or illness, on the part of hospitals, private insti­ ing funds for personal services have we should consider that no expenditure tutions, our colleges and universities and combined in the items not only payments within our means was too large. But it laboratories, working in cooperation with for personnel but also the amounts nec­ is now proposed that we cut down on the Federal Government and with State essary to meet estimated expenses of the medical and public-health expenditures, governments, will be required. If we particular agency or division of the fields in which we have demonstrated maintain that teamwork, and if Gov­ agency in question. Such an item usu­ that what we are doing is of direct ben­ ernment does its utmost, not sparingly, ally appears under the heading "Salaries efit, not only to thousands, but to liter­ not grudgingly, but with deep conviction and expenses." In many other items the ally millions of our people. The sav­ that we shall be able to make progress, two factors of salaries and expenses are ing at best is relatively small, less than we will win the battle. combined with various other proposed $1,000,000 for the various services which Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, today expenditures, sometimes including con­ are covered by my amendment and less I find myself in opposition to both the struction, sometimes funds for the farm­ t:P,an $2,000,000 if we were to include all amendment of the Senator from Michi­ ing out of efforts to other agencies, some- the services connected with public­ gan [Mr. FERGUSON] and the amendment times funds for grants. · health activities. That saving is rela· of the Senator from New York [Mr. It is most difficult to understand the tively small compared with our total ex .. LEHMAN] to the Ferguson amendment. final disposition to be made of appopri­ penditures. The suffering and loss of With other members of the Appropria· a ted funds. Understanding cannot be life because of that cut may be large be­ tions Committee, I had the opportunity had in that field without a most careful yond calculation. to go rather carefully into the several study, first, of the President's budget 6354 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE JUNE 11 I itself, a volume of more than 1,000 pages upon the expenditure of appropriated . action of the committee in fixing a ceil­ of statistical data, and then, Mr. Presi­ funds for personal services. The amend­ ing of 95 percent of the budget figures dent, there are presented before the ment provided-I say ''provided" because for personal services be changed to make committee for each agency for which at least in one instance it is no longer the ceiling 90 percent? an appropriation is asked, and for each effective in detail-for a ceiling on all Mr. AIKEN. Mr. President, will the activity within that agency, tables of expenditures of appropriated funds for Senator yield? justification of the several amounts re­ personal services of 95 percent of the Mr. CORDON. I shall yield to the quested. Broken down, we may find, at amount estimated for that purpose in Senator from Vermont- in a moment. last, personnel; we m~y find expendi­ the President's budget. That means Under the Ferguson amendment hos­ tures itemized; we may find reimbursa­ that in no instance can more than 95 pitals and direct medical care would be ble items, contractual service items, and percent of the budgeted item for per­ excepted, because they were excepted by so on, all in detail. sonal services be expended for that pur­ the committee. The legal effect of the Representatives of the several agencies pose in the fiscal year. Heretofore any Ferguson amendment, therefore, js appear before the subcommittees, and, portion of any appropriation which in­ simply to c.im.:ble the 5 percent which was after having made their own original cluded personal services might be used the amount of the reduction under the presentations, are examined by members ;for personal services unless some por­ so-called Cordon amendment, which is of the committee. The hearings are tion was statutorially earmarked and the committee amendment. available to the full committee. Special thus excluded. Generally the money I now yield to the Senator from Ver­ compilations, termed "side slips," are provided for the two items, salaries and mont. prepared by the staff of the committee. expenses, might be used for salaries to Mr. AIKEN. Is it not a fact that the In this instance, the side slips comprise the extent that the head of the depart­ Cordon amendment, the 5-percent some 220 pages. So the committee does ment in his judgment decided. That, amendment, was not exactly an across­ have some idea, at least, of what is be- . the Congress had failed, in my opinion, the-board cut? Did not the subcommit­ fore it. It has some basis for its de- · to exercise its full authority and respon­ tee increase some appropriations before cision. It has before it last year's ap­ sibility in that particular field. applying the 5 percent? I have in mind propriation for the several items, the Mr. President, the amendment appears particularly the appropriation for the appropriation for the year before, and not as a single amendment in the bill, Children's Bureau, for which I believe so on. · but throughout the bill wherever there the House allowed $1,450,000 for per­ Reverting now to my first proposition, are appropriations which include per­ sonal services, and I believe the Senate Mr. President, the necessity for some sonal services. It applies to every item committee increased that somewhat be­ control over appropriated funds with re­ in the bill for personal services except fore applying the 5 percent, evidently on spect to personal services, the committee the items for hospitals and direct medi­ the theory that the amount that was left this year adopted a motion which the cal care. With respect to those items was the amount needed, which happens Senator from Oregon happened to pre­ there is no ceiling fixed by the bill. to be the amount the Bureau had last sent and which was fully discussed by They were excepted by unanimous vote, year, and, I believe, the year before, and the committee, for statutory control over I believe, of the committee. for some time before that. In other funds appropriated with respect to the Mr. McCLELLAN. Mr. President, will words, evidently the committee thought application of · such funds to the pay­ the Senator yield? this particular Bureau was entitled to ment for personal services. In my opin­ Mr. .CORDON. I yield to the Senator $1,500,000. So in that respect it was not ion, the principle adopted is a long step from Arkansas. exactly an across-the-board cut, cer­ forward in sound appropriative practice. Mr. McCLELLAN. Do I 'Cmderstand tainly not an across-the-board cut (tS For the first time in the history of appro- ' correctly that the items in the bill which the bill came from the House. priations, so far as I am aware, and the amendment of the Senator from New Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, I think definitely for the first time since I have York would eliminate from the Fergu­ the Senator from Vermont is slightly been a member of the committee, the son amendment, were eliminated by the confused with respect to the legal effect ·committee has recommended a statutory amendment of the Senator from Oregon? involved. 'ceiling on the amount of appropriated Mr. CORDON. Not all of them. For­ Mr. AIKEN. I concede that. money which may be used for the pur­ eign quarantine was not eliminated by Mr. CORDON. I shall be glad to do poses of paying for personal services. my amendment; the Heart Institute the what I can to clarify the situation. Mr. THYE. Mr. President, will the Cancer Institute, and the like, wer~ not Mr. McCLELLAN. Mr. President, will Senator yield? eliminated, except as within those cate­ the Senator yield? Mr. CORDON. I am happy to yield gories there were items for hospitals and Mr. AIKEN. May I say for the REC­ to the Senator from Minnesota. direct medical aid. ORD that I did not have the bill or any • Mr. THYE. The 5-percent provision, Mr. McCLELLAN. Yes, where they material in my hand when I discussed as it would relate to personal services, apply to direct personal service in hos­ the matter. was really a substitute for the Jensen pitals and in providing direct medical Mr. CORDON. The Senator made amendment, was it not? aid. That is the distinguishing differ­ himself perfectly clear. I had expected 1 Mr. CORDON. The Senator is cor­ ence between what tqe amendment of to advert to that particular matter be­ rect. It was so treated by the committee. the Senator from New York would do cause, I may say to the Senator from Mr. THYE. And the committee, after to the Ferguson amendment, and the Vermont, initially the amendatory pro­ much study, and after having given con­ amendment adopted by the committee vision did not operate as a reduction in sideration to the explanation by the which was sponsored by the able Sena~ an appropriation. It operated as a ceil­ General Comptroller's Office relating to tor from Oregon. ing on expenditures and as a ceiling on the Jensen amendment and the impos­ Mr. CORDON. The Senator is cor­ expenditures it does operate on every sibility of making the Jensen amend­ rect. item in the bill-on every item. In ment administratively workable, gave Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will those instances where the action of the the Cordon . amendment consideration. the Senator yield? Appropriations Committee was a recom­ Am I correct in that statement? Mr. CORDON. I yield. mendation of the budget request in an Mr. CORDON. The Senator is correct. Mr. WHERRY. I ask the distin­ amount, the total sum of which was Mr. THYE. The 5-percent provision, guished Senator from Oregon if it is not greater than 95 percent of the budget as it relates to personal services, was a fact that the Ferguson amendment, so request for personnel, there was a re­ adopted as a means of controlling and far as its purpose is concerned, and its duction. If the committtee had made a reducing personnel expenditures in the full force and effect, is identical with reduction greater than the 5 percent of various Federal agencies as a substitute the Cordon amendment except that it the personnel budget ·item, then there for what was known as the Jensen rider makes an additional 5-percent reduction was no dollar reduction in the bill, but in the House appropriations bill. 1n the ceiling? the limitation would still be there. Mr. CORDON. The Senator is correct Mr. CORDON. That is my under­ Mr. AIKEN. Mr. President, will the as to one of the two major purposes of standing of the legal effect of the Senator yield? the amendment. . Ferguson amendment. The Ferguson Mr. CORDON. I yield. I have said, Mr. President, that the amendment presents this question, and Mr. AIKEN. I find on examining the amendment serves as a statutory limit I think only this question: Should the bill itself that the committee increased 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 6355

the appropriation from $1,450,000 to $1,- Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, the bill W ~th what informatio:i I have at this 500,000 before applying the amendment. as it now stands carries a specific dollar time-and I have endeavored to inform Is that correct? ceiling on personal services for each myself as best I could on this particular Mr. CORDON. Yes. item. That being so, each of the ceiling bill-I am of the considered opinion that Mr. McCLELLAN. Mr. President, will provisions will be in conference. The it would be dangerous to cut this appro­ the Senator yield? legal effect will be in conference. The priation in the personnel field more than Mr. CORDON. I am happy to yield amount will be in conference. The con­ the committe has cut it. I can under­ to the Senator from Arkansas. ferees might, of course, either delete all" stand that other members of the com­ Mr. McCLELLAN. Irrespective ....of of a particular item, change the lan­ mittee may take a different view. I can that amendment, that does not change guage, or change the figure. So the con­ only present my views and, so far as I the Budget figure, and the Senator's ferees would have complete control of all can, the reasons for such views. amendment relates to the Budget, and the items in the amendment offered by Mr. President, we have before us a not to what either the House or the the Senator from New York to the Fer­ $2 ,000,000,000 bill, with about $117,000,- Senate placed in the bill. guson amendment. 000 of it for personal services. Before Mr. CORDON. Exactly. Mr. McCLELLAN. Mr. President, will the bill came to the committee the Bu­ Mr. McCLELLAN. I wish to ask the the Senator further yield? reau of the Budget had scanned it. I am Senator one more question so that the Mr. CORDON. I am glad to yield. not one of those who believe that the point may be made clear. As I under­ Mr. McCLELLAN. I wanted to get the Bureau of the Budget is wholly an agency stand, if the Ferguson amendment is situation clear in my mind. I intend to of extravagance. I have worked with the adopted it will carry with it the iden­ support the Ferguson amendment. I Bureau of the Budget in the years I have tical exemption as the amendment believe that the time has arrived to make been in the Senate. I am personally ac­ which was sponsored by the able Sen­ reductions. We all talk economy, but quainted with many of its personnel. · I ator from Oregon, which the committee when an effort is made on the floor of know that that agency strives to send to adopted. Is that correct? the Senate to do something about it, we the Congress as sound a series of esti­ Mr. CORDON. My understanding is say, "I believe in economy, but-." mates as it can, not only with reference that that would be the case. The I shall vote for the Ferguson amend­ to personnel, but with reference to other amendment does not purport to change ment, just as I voted for the 10-percent items. the language, and the limitation ap­ cut in committee. But the point I wish It is easy to stand on the floor of the pears as a language change in each ap­ to make is that there are some services Senate and, in sweeping generalities, say propriative item for personal services. which none of us want to curtail. We that all the employees in the executive Mr. McCLELLAN. If that is the cor­ do not want to retard or hamper them. departments are lazy louts and wastrels, rect interpretation of the Ferguson I am unwilling to make a cut which or that all the supervisory group seek amendment and the effect it will have, would do so. only selfish interest, and to pad payrolls. then the issue, and the only issue ac­ I am not so certain but that a number We can.make such statements, Mr. Pres­ tually before the Senate in voting for of cuts could be made without any actual ident, but we are a bit reckless when we or against the Ferguson amendment is curtailment of service. Jn this period of do so. They cannot be borne out by the whether in the judgment of each indi­ crisis, when we are drafting the young facts. vidual Senator we can safely reduce the men of the Nation and sending them to Certainly in any organization SG> vast amount to be expended for personal foreign battlefields to fight and die, there and stupendous as is the American Gov­ services another 5 percent; making it 10 is not an employee of the Government, ernment, employing personnel at an an­ percent instead of 5 percent, as now pro­ not a Member of Congress, who ought nual cost of more· than $4,000,000,000 a vided by the bill, under the amendment not to be willing to work a little harder year, exclusive of the national defense, of the Senator from Oregon. Is that not and a little longer, and make a little sac­ there must be room to reduce personnel. correct? rifice toward the contribution which is The committee has sought, in connec­ Mr. CORDON. ·I am entirely in now necessary by effectuating some tion with this first bill, to approach the agreement with the Senator from Ar­ economy throughout the various agencies reduction with a statutory limitation kansas. He has stated the legal effect when American boys are making such reducing the estimate of the Bureau of of the proposed amendment. great sacrifices. the Budget by 5 percent across the board, Mr. McCLELLAN. So, what we are I am going to vote for economy. I am exempting only hospitals and direct talking about is the difference between 5 going to vote to cut appropriations not medical aid. and 10 percent. We are all agreed on only in this bill, but in the legislative Mr. HAYDEN. Mr. President, will the a cut. I presume the 5-percent cut has bill. I think I could work an hour longer Senator yield for a question? been adopted in the bill, by acceptance a day, or 2 hours longer a day, if neces­ Mr. CORDON. I am glad to yield. of the Senator's amendment. sary. I think the staff in my office could Mr. CORDON. Yes. Mr. HAYDEN. I should like to inquire do so. If we are unwilling to do that of the Senator whether a representation Mr. McCLELLAN. So the only issue for the sake of the country, for the pur­ with respect to the amendment is wheth­ which has been made to me is correct, pose of effectuating some economies, then namely, that a 5-percent cut or a 10-per­ er we will extend that cut to 10 percent. we are not willing to make contributions Mr. CORDON. Yes. cent cut would actually amount to more comparable to those which we are call­ than that in cash, by reason of the fact Mr. McCLELLAN. I should like to ing upon the young manhood of America ask one further question. If the bill that the personnel removed would be en­ goes to conference with the Ferguson to make in defense of freedom. titled to receive pay which they had amendment adopted, without the I believe that appropriations can be earned for their accumulated leave, so amendment of the able Senator from cut. I believe that as a matter of moral that the total amount of money actually New York [Mr. LEHMAN], providing ex­ right we ought to cut them. We ought taken out would be not only 5 percent, emptions for certain functions, the con­ to demand of those who work for t:le but perhaps an additional amount be­ ferees may include in the conference Government a small measure of sacrifice yond that. report one or more of the items in which in this period of crisis. Mr. CORDON. If I correctly under­ the Senator from New York is interest­ Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, let me stand the Senator-- ed. So there would be an opportunity say to my friend from Arkansas-and I Mr. HAYDEN. I am referring to for further study in conference. There say it from the bottom of my heart-­ terminal leave payments which person­ would be opportunity to include any of that he has just said something which nel involuntarily removed are entitled to the other agencies which the conferees ought to be said again and again receive in cash. might wish to include, and which are throughout the country, something Mr. CORDON. I think I fully under­ which should be said and reiterated covered by the amendment of the able stand the Senator. If I do, I am in Senator from New York. I think I am time and time again by the Executive agreement with him. Under the law as correct in that statement. I ask the able head of this Nation to the people of the country. I join the Senator from Ar· the Congress has put it on the books, em­ Senator if that is not a correct state­ ployees of the Federal Government may ment. If not, I should like to be cor­ kansas. I am willing to go as far as my rected. I should like to have the situa­ judgment will permit me to go in making accumulate unused annual leave. If tion clarified. reductions. they are detached from the Govern:roent .6356 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE JUNE 11 :they are entitled to be paid at the reg­ felt that to make an additional cut of one who recommended to the committee ular rates for all of the period of ac­ 10 percent in the appropriations would the 5-percent cut in the appropriations, cumulated leave which they have earned. be dangerous at this time. and I think he should be allowed to We have had various estimates from I should.like to have the Senator from inform _the Senate why he favors such time to time before the committee with Oregon show-as he no doubt intends.to a provision. respect to the total amount of such ac­ do-the justification for making a 5-per­ We are not complaining about the cumulated leave. Although I am not cent cut in the appropriations, and also attempt of ·the Senator from Michigan certain, my memory is that it averages why he believes it would be dangerous to to have a 10-percent cut made--or even 'close to the limitation of 60 days per make a further cut. In other words, I a 15-percent or a 20-percent cut made; .person. That means that if we apply should like to have him present the argu.. but we are trying to convince the Senate , a 5-percent limitation on the estimates ments in favor of making a 5-percent cut that the sound course for it to follow, 1for personal services as they appear in and in opposition to making a 10-percent in making the proper kind of savings, · the budget, as a result of the necessity cut. is to adopt the amendment of the Sen­ 'of paying for 60 days, or one-sixth of Mr. ROBERTSON. Mr. President, ator from Oregon. Therefore, we wish 'a year, of salary to each of the indi­ will the Senator yield? the Senate to have the benefit of hear­ . viduals who are detached, we actually Mr. CORDON. I yield . ing the Senator from Oregon present .increase the separation by considerably Mr. ROBERTSON. I should like to his views and arguments, and then vote. more than 5 percent, because we would ask the Senator from New Mexico Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, I · make a reduction in money, not in num­ whether he would have any objection to· should like now to give as direct an an­ bers of personnel. If we attempt ·to a unanimous-consent agreement limiting swer as I can to the suggestion of the make a reduction in numbers of person­ the time for debate both on the amend­ minority fioor leader. Let me say first nel we are in a field of guesswork. We ment of the Senator from New York to that I cannot indicate with respect to may take 10 percent of the personnel the amendment of the Senator from any item in the bill specifically where in the lowest brackets and hardly affect Michigan and, subsequently, on the a 5-percent cut can be safely made and the budget. However, when we make amendment of the Senator from Michi­ a 10-percent cut cannot be made. My a reduction in money-and that is the gan. I should think we could conclude judgment is based to a very great extent only way to cut down on personnel, if action on one of these amendments to­ upon the fact that 5 percent is 1 in 20, that is what we want to do-we do not day, and then, tomorrow, conclude ac­ and 10 percent is 1 in 10. Among other appropriate the money. In that way the tion on the other one. I certainly hope things, the committee had before it the department must cut its suit out of the that will be done. The independent of­ itemized list of the personnel, including cloth we provide. With the 95 percent fices appropriation bill will be ready for the activities in which the several per­ provided it must pay, first, those who consideration by the Senate tomorrow sons were expected to be engaged, and are separated. If sufficient money is evening. including the number of additional per­ . not available to pay · for accumulated Mr. CHAVEZ. Certainly I have no ob­ sonnel, if any, requested in the proposed ' leave that must be taken into consid­ jection to concluding action on the pend­ estimates, and I believe that when a care­ eration when the personnel factor is ap­ ing bill by means of any agreement which ful scrutiny has been made by the Bu­ ' plied to the money which is made avail­ is satisfactory to the Senate. reau of the Budget, and another careful able. Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will scrutiny made by the committee, and all tion to having an agreement reached in less we are willing to gjve up our present Mr. CORDON. Mr. President­ regard to limitation of debate at any system of appropria.tion by subjects and Mr. WHERRY. . Mr. President, will time the Senate desires. However, be­ return to an itemized appropriation. If the Senator yield? fore that is done, I feel that both the we return to that system, we shall have Mr. CORDON. I yield. amendment of the Senator from New an apprppriation bill consisting of per­ Mr. WHERRY. A few minutes ago York to the amendment of the Senator haps 300 pages in the place of one con­ the Senator from Oregon made several from Michigan, and the amendment of sisting of 50 or 60 pages. We shall then observations in regard to the work which the Senator from Michigan itself should have absolute control of the personnel, has been done by the committee and in be voted on, because they involve the en­ the expenses, and so forth, under an regard to the work done by the Bureau ' tire basis for the cuts in appropriations itemized list. In that way we could do of the Budget. I agree with the Sen- ., which may be proposed by any other a far better job than we do when we ator as to that. I myself know of sev­ amendments; and when we conclude ac­ make single appropriations covering a eral men in the Bureau of the Budget tion on the so-called Ferguson amend­ great number of objects. who are very well qualified for the work ment, we shall then be in a position to One might ask the same question they are doing, and who are doing a take up similar amendments. which has been asked with respect to good job in attempting to bring to both Therefore, I hope no limitation will be the difference between a 5-percent cut branches of the Congress a budget which placed on debate until we have completed and a 50-percent cut. The difference they feel is justified. action on the so-called Lehman amend­ again is, of course, 1 in 20 as against 1 in I was not present in the committee ment and the so-called Ferguson amend­ 2, and it is a matter of judgment for the at the time when the Senator from Ore­ ment. Then I am satisfied it will be Members of the Senate, most of whom gon proposed his 5-percent-reduction perfectly agreeable to Senators on this have not had access to the detailed data, amendment. It was presented at the side of the aisle to have the Senate limit and it is a matter of judgment for the meeting of the full committee, after I debate in any way that is desired. members of the committee, all of whom had to leave, just before the committee Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, will the have had access to the data, although voted to report the bill. Senator yield? many have not had the opportunity to Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, let me Mr. CORDON. I yield·. make the study which should be made. say that I am fully aware of the re­ Mr. CHAVEZ. Of course, I wish to Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will sponsible position the Senator from Ne­ have the so-called Ferguson amendment the Senator yield for another question? braska has on the fioor of the Senate, and also the so-called Lehman amend­ The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. and of the fact that frequently he is re­ ment voted on by the Senate without SMITH of North Carolina in the chair). quired to be in the Senate Chamber at undue delay, but I do not wish those Does the Senator from Oregon yield to a time when he would prefer to sit with amendments to be voted on until the the Senator from Nebraska? his own subcommittee or with the full Senator from Oregon, who heard the Mr. CORDON. I am glad to yield. committee; but it simply cannot be testimony and who participated in the Mr. WHERRY. I am not sure that helped. attempt in the committee to make a the Senator has even attempted to figure Mr. WHERRY. I thank the Senator,. proper recommendation to the Senate, .it out nor am I sure that it can be done; I highly respect him. He said he was has an opportunity to present his views but I should like to ask, if it were pos­ presenting his own views, and he said he in regard to the amendments. He is the sible to translate into dollars and cents 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 6357 the saving which is proposed in the Jen­ tion until the last minute, when the bill Mr. CHAVEZ. Because the commit­ sen amendment, as the committee is passed. Had we been able this year tee wanted to arrive at some method of finally modified it, what would the sav­ to carry that into effect, we could have approach. Is not that correct? ing be, if it could be made-and I am done this year what we did last year. Mr. CORDON. That is correct. not sure that it could be-as compared, when we added section 1214 to the bill, Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will let us say, to a cut of 5 percent? and, in that section, cut the total appro­ the Senator yield? Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, our priation by $550,000,000; which sum was Mr. CORDON. I yield. study indicated that we were in a field impounded and was not used, because Mr. WHERRY. I think the questions of guess, after we had obtained all the not appropriated. In addition to that, we are asking the Senator are bringing information we could get. I do not as­ there was $30,000,000 more which was out all the issues and the f 1:1icts involved. sume to speak for the entire membership impounded, and I do not recall that there Mr. CORDON. I shall be happy to of the committee, though I heard some have been any great outcries because answer every question I can answer. I of the members discuss the matter, but any essential activity was hurt. We do not want to delay the Senate, because the view of some of us was that the best cannot do that now. We are going to I think that what the Senator from that could be hoped for under the Jensen have our whole apple brought to us in Oregon has to offer .is not of too much amendment was substantially a 5-per­ some 12 or 13 segments. We must OP-· value. cent reduction throughout the personnel erate on each of the segments as it Mr. WHERRY. If I did not think it level. comes. I should prefer the other ap­ was of value, I would not be asking ques­ If I may revert for a moment to the proach. I thinl{ it is the soundest ap­ tions; but I know the Senator from Jensen amendment, the testimony be­ proach. I think it fs the one way Oregon is one of our most industrious fore the committee was that separations whereby the entire Senate, despite the colleagues, and I appreciate his judg­ throughout the Government service run fact that many Senators never have the ment. from approximately 18 percent in cer­ opportunity to work on the Appropria­ Mr. CORDON. I thank the Senator. tain agencies to as high as 36 percent tion Committee, can still use sound judg­ Mr. WHERRY. I desire to associate in others. Those separations, of course, ment in its final action. It can in that myself with his very pertinent remarks would begin immediately after the fiscal way look at the total necessities, the just made about the one-package appro­ year, and would end with the close of total expected income, and determine priation bill, or the so-called Butler­ the fiscal year. If we assume a steady what relationship one should bear to Byrd bill, or however it may be identi­ rate of separations distributed through­ the other, and, in one short section of fied. I think it was the proper way to out the year the average separation rate such a bill, it can execute its judgment. legislate, and I am sure the Senator from for the year would be these percentages That is the way it should be done. It Oregon knows, as a member of the Ap­ divided in half, and we could then have is not being done in that way, and we propriations Committee, I was in favor a reasonable idea of the number of man­ must do the best we can with what we of it. I think that method of appro­ years, or average, to be gained if others have. priation should be reinstated. It would could not be employed to take the place Mr. WILLIAMS. · Mr. President, will be a great boon in helping the members of those who were separated from the the Senator yield? of the committee and getting before the service. I mean that, with respect to Mr. CORDON. I yield to the Sena­ whole Senate in one package the total the agencies in which the separation is tor from Delaware. appropriations. around 18 percent, the average in man­ Mr. WILLIAMS. Did the Comptrol­ I should like to ask the Senator one years would be 9 percent, and that, with ler General endorse the Cordon amend­ question. What is the difference be­ respect to those in which the separation ment? tween the amount of saving which might is around 36 percent, it would be 18 per­ Mr. CORDON. The Comptroller Gen­ be effected by the so-called Jensen cent. eral made no appearance and advised amendment and the saving which might However, we must have in mind, when the committee not a'.i all. Representa­ be brought about by the committee's we consider that matter, that the Jensen tives of the Comptroller General's office modification of it? How much differ­ amendment as contained in the House were before the committee. Those who ence would there be if we could translate bill, and the modified Jens en amend­ appeared bef.)re the committee joined it into dollars? The provision will be in ment which the committee considered, with the Bureau of the Budget in the conference, a;nd that is why I am ask­ differed with respect to a specific pro­ statement that the most logical method ing the question. So long as it will be vision for a ceiling which would be per­ of making reductions in this or in any in conference as the Jensen amendment, mitted in each agency before the amend­ other appropriation bill would be the I am wondering what the difference in ment could become operative. method of writing the reduced specific saving might be between the Senate pro­ Mr. LANGER. Mr. President, will the figures throughout the bill. vision and the House provision, no matter Senator yield for a question? Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, will the what happens here in the final determi­ Mr. CORDON. I shall be glad to Senator yield? nation of the question. yield. Mr. CORDON. I yield. Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, will the Mr. LANGER. Why would it not be Mr. CHAVEZ. Is it not a fact that Senator yield? much simpler, I may ask the distin­ neither the representatives of the Comp­ Mr. CORDON. In a moment. guished Senator, merely to adopt the troller General's Officer.or of the Budg­ Mr. President, there was no estimate budget which the Senator from Virginia et Bureau made any recommendations? before the committee from anyone as to [Mr. BYRD] recommended, cutting it $7,- We asked them what the approach the savings which would be effected by 000,000,000 or $8,000,000,000, instead of should be. Is not that correct? It was the Jensen amendment as it appears in arguing about a little 5-percent cut on committee action; it was not the action the House version of the bill. It is $117,000,000? Would it not be better? of the Budget Bureau or of the Comp­ wholly a matter of speculation. When A moment ago, the Senator from Ore­ troller General. one approaches consideration of the gon suggested that we might take up 300 Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, I do effect of an amendment, one is compelled different agencies or items. I ask again, not want to dispute with the able chair­ to be wholly practical and to realize why not take the Byrd budget, debate it, man of the subcommittee. I am perfect­ that if there is to be an average of 18 argue it, and settle it once for all in one ly clear in my mind that representatives percent separation in a given agency­ debate? of both agencies were responsible for that is, if 18 percent of the total person­ Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, I shall the statement to the committee that the nel at sometime during the year is to be glad to endeavor to answer the soundest approach was the approach of be separated under the conditions set Senator. In my opinion, there is much specific figures. forth in the Jensen amendment-the to be said for that approach. I am one Mr. CHAVEZ. That is correct; but head of any agency, where that kind of a of those who last year supported the did not the committee ask them for that separation would result in a chaotic con­ one-package appropriation bill. I still information? dition in the handling of the work of the believe that it is the soundest approach Mr. CORDON. Oh, yes. agency, would, at the beginning of the to appropriations which the Congress Mr. CHAVEZ. It was not voluntary year, do everything he could do so to will ever evolve, because it is the only on their part. arrange his whole personnel pattern as procedure by which the Congress can Mr. CORDON. They were _brought to: First, keep as many of his personnel maintain control of the total appropria- before the committee. on the payroll as he could, and second, 6358 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE JUNE 11 reemploy those individuals who are the Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, the some other year. When we arrived at most necessary in his particular employ­ agreement does not relate to a vote. As that figure we would still be faced with ment pattern. I understood the request, it relates only the fact that it was not worth a conti­ In the consideration of the effect of to limitation of debate. nental in considering the same amend­ that kind of provision it must be remem­ Mr. McFARLAND. That is correct. ment applied prospectively because we bered that it is not a matter of law; it Mr. WHERRY. And the limitation would not have the same result, inas­ is a matter of good common horse sense. applies first to the so-called Ferguson much as the amendment in itself would We may assume, I think, that the Gov­ amendment, on which it is proposed that be a factor in determining future separa­ ernment agencies in general are not ex­ a limitation of an hour be placed, with tion rates. travagantly overstaffed. They have 30 minutes to the side. Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, will the not been culled as fully, perhaps, as they Mr. McFARLA~. That is correct. Senator yield? · should be, and we know there are places Mr. WHERRY. Which I understand Mr. CORDON. I yield. where we could make reductions. We is agreeable to the Senator from Michi­ Mr. CHAVEZ. If the Cordon amend­ know that the average employee of the gan. Then as to other amendments to ment goes into effect, the savings under Federal Government and the average the Ferguson amendment debate would the bill will be $2,318,190. employee in industry, like the average ·be limited to 30 minutes on each amend­ Mr. CORDON. That would be the employee of the United States Senate, ment. It is not proposep to place a lim­ savings over and above the recommenda­ is trying to do a good job and is a faith­ itation on any other amendment to the tions of the committee at the time the ful servant endeavoring, to the best of bill. amendment was finally adopted. his ability, to do the work he is called Mr. McFARLAND. No. Mr. CHAVEZ. Yes. upon to do. But, Mr. President, when Mr. WHERRY. I wonder if the dis­ Mr. CORDON. That is correct. we consider the practical aspects of the tinguished Senator from North Dakota Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will the situation, we are bound to come to the will reconsider. The request applies Senator yield? conclusion that if the supervisory head only to the Ferguson amendment. Mr. COROON. I yield. of any agency is faced with the applica­ Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, I am Mr. WHERRY. I understand that. tion of an amendment along the lines willing to yield the 30 minutes controlled That figure is shown in the report. of the Jensen amendment, and realizes by me to the other side. What I am trying is, if possible, to get that he can never know throughout the Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, will an approximate figure of savings that year when there will be a sharp change the Senator from Oregon yield to me for would be produced by the Jensen amend­ in his personnel because of resignation, another question? ment. death, or because of any of the reasons Mr. CORDON. I am happy to yield Mr. CHAVEZ. It would result in em­ indicated in the amendment, he will do to the Senator from Nebraska. ployment of 1 person for every 4 vacan- · everything he can to keep on the job Mr. WHERRY. My question does not cies, but what that would mean in sav­ those who are now employed under him. relate to the unanimous-consent request. ings in dollars and cents, I could not To do that he will be willing to take less I appreciate that the Senator from Ore­ tell the Senator. Under the Cordon than able, faithful service from them. gon ~s rendering a real service in bring­ amendment there would be a saving of Only in that way can he protect his ing out all the facts and in trying to $2,318,190 a year. agency and its integrity in carrying out show what the end result might be under Mr. WHERRY. I understand that. its assigned duty. either the original Jensen amendment Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, I shall We must bear that in mind, because which is in the House language of the detain the Senate but a few minutes when we consider 18 percent of man­ bill with which we will have to deal in more. I desire now to direct my re­ years out in a given year, we realize that conference, or the modified form, the marks to the amendment offered to the many agencies could not function, and proposed 5-percent cut. I wish the Sen­ Ferguson amendment, by the Senator they would strive to do everything they ator would venture an opinion. I have from New York [Mr. LEHMAN]. I fully could to change the percentage of sep­ heard various suggestions made, trans­ realize the views which have been ex­ aration. We do not know what that lated into dollars, with respect to what pressed by the Senator from New York change will be. We do know that the the original so-called Jensen amend­ as being sincere and coming from his percentage is bound to be less than it ment would produce, and what the modi­ heart. I realize that the only thought has been. fied form would produce. Will the Sen­ in his mind, and in the minds of other Mr. McFARLAND. Mr. President, ator from Oregon furnish us with a guess Senators who agree with him with re­ will the Senator yield for the purpose of as to what, in his judgment, the Jensen spect to this matter, is that of maintain­ propounding a unanimous-consent re­ amendment would save? I realize, of ing the integrity of the humanitarian quest? course, that it is all a guess. A guess only efforts which are now being made in the Mr. CORDON. I shall be happy to can be made as to what the modified name of the Government to promote yield, if, by so doing, I shall not lose the form of amendment would do. But when health and to protect life. I find my­ :floor. the bill goes to conference the conferees self, however, in disagreement, not with The PRESIDING OFFICER. With­ will be obliged to deal with the matter the views or the desires of the Senator, out objection, the Senator from Oregon of dollars and cents. Would the Senator but only with respect to the effect of the may yield for that purpose. care to express himself percentagewise? Ferguson amendment, if adopted. Mr. McFARLAND. Mr. President, I If he does not wish to do so, very well. Let me say that I do not believe the ask unanimous consent that, beginning But I believe it to be highly important to Ferguson amendment should be adopted tomorrow at 12 o'clock, the time for de­ find what would be the saving as trans­ and applied to any provisions in the bill. bate upon the Ferguson amendment be lated into dollars, if possible, under the I am of the opinion that if the Senate limited to 1 hour, to be divided equally so-called Jensen amendment as it came should adopt it, however, its adoption between the Senator from New Mexico to the Senate, even though it be only a would not more seriously affect the sev­ [Mr. CHAVEZ] and the Senator from guess, and also what would result from eral activities rr.entioned in the Sena­ Michigan [Mr. FERGUSON]; and that the a 5-percent cut. tor's amendment than it will seriously time for debate upon any amendment to Mr. CORDON. I wish I could hazard affect the other activities denominated the Ferguson amendment be limited to even speculation with respect to the Jen­ in the bill. 30 minutes, to be divided equally be­ sen amendment, but I cannot do so. I call attention to certain figures taken tween the proponent of the amendment Mr. WHERRY. Very well. from the budget in support of that state­ and the Senator from New Mexico if he Mr. CORDON. I do not think anyone ment. For the National Institute of is against the amendment, and, if not, can do so. One could take the records Health the bill contains an item of $15,- between the proponent of the amend­ of separations in years past of the several 800,000. Personal service accounts for ment and the distinguished minority agencies and cut them in two, to allow $4,800,532 of that amount; grants ac­ leader; and that all amendments must for the fiscal effect of the known separa­ count for $9,650,000 of it. Then there is be germane. tion rate spread over 12 months, then an item for other expenses. The Fergu­ The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there take average salaries with that weighted son amendment would not attach to the objection? average, and finally arrive at a rough grants of $9,650,000, but only to the per­ Mr. LANGER. I object. figure of what would have happened in sonal services it~m. 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE 6359 With respect to dental health we have section 1214, which was a rescission of the Federal Government and the region­ a somewhat different picture, in that of $550,000,000. That rescission was made al agencies to locate their central offices the total estimate of $1,750,000 personal effective by the Bureau of the Budget as somewhere near the center of the par­ services would represent $1,053,848. a result of the knowledge which that ticular region? For example, take the The total estimate for the Heart In­ Bureau had, from its inspection and Office of Price Stabilization. The re­ stitute is $10,150,000, of which personal study, of all the departments of govern- gional office was located at Minneapolis. services account for only $1,540,351, with ment through past years. We can make The result is that in some cases a man grants representing $7,591,000. The dif­ such a reduction in this bill if it is the from Montana must travel 1,200 miles ference represents other expenses. will of the Congress to do it. I present. or more to go to the regional office. In In the case of mental health activities, that problem to my colleagues so that Minneapolis the rents are very high. the total estimate is $10,800,000; of which they may study it. · They could be cut in two by locating the personal services represent only $1,240,- In that connection, I should like to office in South Dakota or North Dakota, 515, and grants $8,182,000. place in the RECORD the following figures: somewhere near the center. Two or For the Cancer Institute the total esti­ In the civilian employment of the Fed- three more regional offices are being es­ mate is $15,122,000, of which · per­ eral Government we have for 1952 an tablished in that area. One is an office sonal services represent only $2,836,590, estimated total payroll of $4,232,727,846. under the Department of Labor. It with grants representing $10,315,000. That is exclusive of the Department of seems to me that the committee, or who­ In the case of foreign quarantine, Defense. ever is in charge of this matter, ought where the whole operation almost is in For travel for 1952 the total of to call in whoever is responsible and try personal services, the total estimate is $151,599,312. to have the regional offices located $3,000,000, with personal services repre­ For transportation of things, $555,- somewhere near the center of the area. senting $2,639,430. 893,085. It seems to me that such a plan would Mr. President, it is, of course, easy to For communication services, $36,895,- save a considerable sum. · make an argument in favor of each of 738. Mr. CORDON. I appreciate the sug- these items in the bill, and certainly no For rents and utilities services, $118,- gestion. I think that somewhere along one can deny the high purpose of the 423,916. · the road the committee could well set Congress in enacting the legislation pro­ For printing and reproduction, $59,- a rental pattern for the United States viding for them, nor deny the necessity 837,795. _ and have shown on it the divisional for work in the several fields. But, in For other contractual services, $809,- headquarters of all the agencies, so that all seriousness, I call the attention of 146,855. we could get the picture of where the my colleagues on the fioor to what I be­ For services performed by other agen- principal offices are located and the areas lieve is a demonstrable fact. The ad­ cies, $132,387,712. which they serve. vances made in the medical sciences For supplies and materials, $565,523,- Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, will the have resulted not from the expenditures 263. Senator yield? of Federal dollars, but from the work For equipment, $308,929,742. Mr. CORDON. I yield. done by a great number of devoted mem­ For lands and structures, $1,036,- Mr. CHAVEZ. I think we could go bers of society working entirely on their 493,894. further. I am not so much worried own-working in the hospitals, in the For grants, subsidies, and contribu- about the old departments, such as the clinics, in the great laboratories of the tions, $3,431,746,126. Department of Labor and the Depart- pharmaceutical groups, in the universi­ For pensions, annuities, and insurance ment of Agriculture. It is the new agen- ties, and in the medical schools. That is losses, $3,862,666,255. cies which establish the pattern. They where all the advance occurred until the For refunds, awards, and indemnities, get employees from the other depart- last decade. We except only the work­ $17,575,156. ments. Such employees probably were and it has been a good work-done by For interest, $5,897,757,683. class 8 employees. All of a sudden they the Public Health Service. But prior to For taxes and assessments, $1,339,793, l;>ecome class 14 employees. It is the that time that work was solely in the For investments in lands, $1,099,- new agencies which cost the Govern- nature of instruction to local agencies in 159,180. ment money. I refer to OPS and simi- the several States. We have come from There is an unvouchered amount of lar agencies. They pay more money to an average life expectancy of 35 years $20,045,000. the average employee. They take em- in the earliest years of the country to 70 There is a sum not distributed by ployees from the Department of Labor at present. I think we can give credit to budget class of $72,796,273. and from other old departments of the the men of medicine and surgery who There is a total of direct obligations, Government. They are ·taking them were working in their private practice to exclusive of national defense, of $22,477 ,- right now by the thousands. I think accomplish the job which has been done. 944,623. we should watch that sort of thing. We It is altogether proper that the Gov­ Mr. LANGER. Mr. President, will need not worry about the old depart- ernment should come into the picture to the Senator yield for a question? ments. We do not let them get by with some extent, because our tax system has Mr. CORDON. One moment, and I anything. The new agencies are the guaranteed that there will not again be shall be happy to yield. ones who are actually getting the money. created in this country the great per­ With a total of $22,000,000,000, cer- Mr. CORDON. In conclusion, Mr. sonal fortunes from which endowments tainly we can find places to wield the President, I suggest to my colleagues were made in the past, which permitted economy ax. If we can do it, then we who are interested in some sort of logical much of this work to be done. Unless must start here. In connection with approach to the problem that a study funds are now provided through tax­ each bill as it comes up we must do that be made of the committee's report on the ation, we shall not continue to have sup­ which, when we finish the last bill, will bill. In that way it is possible to deter­ port for these activities. We shall not represent what we could have done much mine the action which was taken last continue to have the type of endowment more easily and logically had we been year by the President's Bureau of the which we have had in the past. able to operate on a single figure of :eudget in applying to each of the agen­ In the last analysis we shall not seri­ appropriation. cies what the Bureau of the Budget felt ously injure these programs-if we in­ I now yield to the Senator from North was the respective proper share of the jure them at all-by the kind of reduc­ Dakota. $550,000,000 rescission. I refer to the ta- tion which is here proposed, beyond the Mr. LANGER. Mr. President, would bles beginning at page 19 of the report. injury which would come from disloca­ the distinguished Senator mind reading The tables are headed "Comparative tion in connection with any of the other the item for rents again? statement of appropriations for 1951, activities covered by the bill. I am of Mr. CORDON. For rents and utility amounts as reduced under section the opinion that when we make a 5-per­ services, $188,423,916. .. 1214," and so forth. cent reduction we make all that we Mr. LANGER. Mr. President, will the ~'.;. I wish to say to my colleagues that should make, until we can reach the Senator yield for a question? i' overnight I shall give some attention to problem item by item. Mr. CORDON. I am happy to yield. ·:~ the tables. I believe that the proper ap­ One further point, and I am through. Mr. LANGER. Has the Senator ever proach to the bill would be to take the In the one-package bill last year we had considered the question of compelling amendments which the committee has ~6360 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE JUNE 11 ~ ~ 'Offered and make a rescission along the to the distinguished chairman of the contagious diseases today are practically lines of section 1214 of last year's general subcommittee that I think he has more nil. It is due to the magnificent work ·appropriation bill in the amount that the or less broken with a custom and rule of the research men down through the Senate feels the reduction should be of the Senate, in that he has cut $112,- years. made, and then leave it to the Bureau 000,000 from the House recommenda- The amendment would drive away of the Budget to apply the reduction so tion. u' from their test tubes many scientists that there will be used in that applica- Mr. CHAVEZ. That is correct. ·~· and technicians at the National Cancer , tion all the accumulated knowledge of -.· Mr. HUNT. It is something in the and Heart Institutes who are trying to ·the one agency in the Government of the nature of an entirely new procedure, as find means of preventing or curing

1 United States which has the necessary I understand. those two great killers, cancer and heart information to make that kind of appli- Mr. CHAVEZ. As a general rule the disease. The highly skilled, dedicated cation wisely. Senate restores or raises appropriations men of mental disease, of cerebral palsy, During the delivery of Mr. CORDON'S acted on by the House. In this instance of arthritis, and blindness, are unfortu- speech. we have cut $112,000,000. nately also included among the bureau- Mr. HUNT. Mr. President, will the Nil'. HUNT. And the committee has crats which the amendment seeks to Senator from Oregon yield? cut $215,000,000 from the budgetary re- purge. Mr. CORDON. Mr. President, I should quests. I wish to congratulate the Sen- These are the types of men and women like to speak for a few more minutes. I ator from New Mexico and the commit- who have been serving our Nation and understand that the Senator from Wy- tee for having done a splendid job. humanity in the laboratories of the Pub­ oming must catch a train. Therefore I Mr. President, I believe that in cut- lie Health Service-men and women ask unanimous consent that I may yield ti.Im' various appropriations we must who, if we adopted the Ferguson amend­ to him for a brief period of time. take great pains that we do not inad- ment in its present form, would be told Mr. HUNT. I ask for only 4 minutes. vertently destroy programs which are of that their work is no longer needed, that Mr. CORDON. I am glad to yield 5 great value to the Nation, whether it is the Congress does not approve what they minutes to th-e Senator. I do so with at war or at peace. We must be sure are doing. the understanding that I do not lose the that when we strike at nonproductive Mr. President, I know that is not the :tloor. bureaucrats, we do not inadvertently intent of Congress. I know that when we The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there drive from Government public servants move to cut down the size of the army objection? The Chair hears none, and whose contributions to the health of all of Federal employees we want to do so it is so ordered. our people and that of our armed serv- selectively and with intelligence and on _ ' Mr. HUNT. Mr~ President, I greatly ices far outweighs the cost of their serv- the basis of knowing just what each pla­ appreciate the courtesy of the Senator ices. A fiat percentage cut in all funds tOon in that army is engaged in doing. from Oregon [Mr. CORDON]. I assure to pay employees in a large department By all means let us make cuts in the him that I shall keep within my '5-min- of the Federal Government is a blind swivel-chair commandos, but let us not ute limitation. First of all, I wish to and unreasoning way to go about the make cuts in the platoons which are out send to the desk an amendment to the matter. It would harm essential serv- in front on the firing line-the men and Lehman amendment. I ask that the ices as much as it would reduce non- women who have dedicated themselves to clerk read the amendment to the amend- essential services. the continuous war on death and disease, ment. I say to the distinguished Senator the men and women who could command Mr. WHERRY. Mr. President, I &m from Michigan that it would drive out of far greater salaries and could live far less interested in the parliamentary situa- Government the efficient and essential dangerously if they had not chosen to tion. Is it not a fact that an: amend- employee more quickly than the ineffi.- put public service ahea-d of private gain. reent offered to the Lehman amendment cient and nonessential employee. Let us tell the men and women who are would be an amendment in the third For example, the amendment offered doing the research, and the planning degree? If so, I believe it would ·be out by the senior Senator from Michigan and the testing at the National Insti..; of order. would cut off men at the National Insti- tutes of Health that we will give them Mr. HUNT. If it is out of order, I tute of Dental Research whose work has the opportunity to continue in their shall withdraw it. been under constant observation by the careers of self-sacrifice. We can and we The PRESIDING OFFICER. The ' American Dental Association, and which should do so by voting in support of the Chair understands that it is out of order. has won the continued approval of that amendment offered ·by the Senator from , Mr. HUNT. Then I withdraw my knowledgeable and highly tax-conscious New York to the amendment of the Sen- amendment. organization. It would cut off some of ator from Michigan. Mr. WHERRY. Of course, the Sen- the men who helped find out that a few Mr. President, I wonder whether all ator understands that I am not object- - cents' worth of fluoride placed in city · Members of the Senate realize that ing to his amendment. I merely stated wateJ.· supplies would halt tooth decay by when our Nation was founded, 161 years my understanding of the parliamentary 60 percent. Tooth decay has forced our ago, the average life expectancy was 35 situation. I am quite certain that he Armed Forces to reject tens of thou- years. whereas today it is 70 years. In­ can propose his amendment in another sands of potential servicemen during the cidentally, let me say that many of the way. two World Wars and the present Korean present Members of the Senate are now Mr. HUNT. Mr. President, I believe incident. enjoying that added life expectancy, due that by the votes which were cast on _Mr. WILLIAMS. Mr. President, will to the work which the scientists and re-· last Friday it was indicated that the ma- the Senator yield? · search workers have done in years gone jority of the Senate are in total agree.. Mr. HUNT. I would prefer not to by. ment with the necessity for greater econ- yield at this time. I am racing against Just at the turn of' the century the omy in the Federal Government, espe- time in an attempt to catch a train. average workingman was absent from cially at this particular time. I think Therefore, I decline to yield at this time. his jo"1 21 days a year because of illness, we are obligated to cut every single pro- Furthermore, the amendment would whereas today the average workingman gram which is not needed. I believe we cut off some of the already all-too-few loses only 8 days a year because of illness. must join together to reduce any Fed- physicians at the National Institutes of Only 15 or ·20 years ago in my own eral activity which benefits only a few Health, who also happen to be the scien- State I often visited local hospitals and of the people, and to wipe out com-: ; tists who inspect and thus insure the saw men who suffered from spotted fever, pletely any Federal activity which would · ·safety and effectiveness of the vaccines a disease caused by the bite of wood ticks. permit an increase of employment in· which protect our children against diph- The Public Health Service established at the Federal Government. Let us cut and theria and smallpox, and our soldiers Hamilton, Mont., a laboratory for the cut drastically programs which have overseas against typhus and yellow fever. sole purpose of developing a vaccine for gone beyond the intent of Congress, and , .Tho5e vaccines now are the purest and tick fever. That was done. Whereas in those which can be deferred until a time' the most potent in the entire-world. It Wyoming 15, 20, -25 or more years ago, when the problems confronting us are is absolutely necessary that they be kept there were hundreds of deaths from far less urgent than those which now · ·so. I may say, Mr. President, that spotted fever, today there are no deaths command our attention. I wish to say deaths in Korea from infectious and from that disease, a result which has 1951 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD--SENATE 6361 been accomplished because of the work Mr. CHAVEZ. Mr. President, will the ·Mr. President, I ask unanimous con­ done by the scientists who have engaged Senator yield? sent to have printed in the body of the in research on spotted fever. Mr. McKELLAR. I yield. RECORD at this point in my remarks the Mr. President, I am most hopeful that Mr. CHAVEZ. I shall not object to summary to which I have referred. the Senate will not adopt blindly the the request, but I wonder whether we There being no objection, the sum­ proposed meat-ax approach, by which it should make a 10-percent reduction in mary was ordered to be printed in the is proposed to cut off the heads, so to the appropriations carried in this RECORD, as follows: speak, of the scientific and research measure. Public Health Service workers in our Government establish­ Mr. McKELLAR. No; for it applies ment. to the present fiscal year. Year Appropria­ Average ; I thank the Senator from Oregon for The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there tion employees yielding to me. objection to the request of the Senato:.· The PRESIDING OFFICER