Queensland

Parliamentary Debates [Hansard]

Legislative Assembly

TUESDAY, 4 DECEMBER 1979

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2154 Artificial Breeding, &c., Bill [4 DECEMBER 1979] Papers

TUESDAY, 4 DECEMBER 1979

Mr. SPEAKER (Hon. S. J. Muller, Fassi­ fern) read prayers and took the chair at 11 a.m.

ASSENT TO BILLS Assent to the following Bills reported by Mr. Speaker:- Po:nt of Brisbane Authority Act Amend­ ment Bill; Sawmills Licensing Act Amendment Bill.

PAPERS The following paper 'was laid on the table, and ordered to be printed:- Report on Net Surplus Profits of the State Government Insurance Office (Queens­ land) for 1978-79. The following papers were laid on the table:- Orders in Council under- Racing and Betting Act 1954-1978. Harbours Act 1955-1979. Ministerial Statement [4 DECEMBER 1979] Ministerial Statement 2155

Forestry Act 1959-1979 and the National take some cases over to Townsville. To date Pai'ks and Wildlife Act 1975-1976. there have been 102 cases, with 49 currently Regulations under- in Townsville Hospital and 13 in Palm Island Hospital. Forty-eight have been discharged Motor Vehicles Insurance Act 1936- and returned to their homes, and it is 1975. expected that a further number will be dis­ Queensland Marine Act 1958-1975. charged today. There have been no new By~law No. 11 of the Queensland Institute cases notified since Sunday afternoon. of Technology. My colleague the Minister for Health and Accounts of the State Government Insur­ I have been careful not to make scare ance Office (Queensland) for the statements that might confuse the Palm Financial Year 1978-79. Island community and make people unneces­ sarily apprehensive. But we did at the Report of the State Government Insur­ earliest stage take all the steps that modern ance Office (Queensland) for 1978-79. medical science suggested. Let me say now Statute under the University of Queens­ that even at this point, after extensive land Act 1965-1973. micro-biological studies, the experts cannot be positive as to a cause which is a common factor to all cases. These studies are SUP1PLEMENTARY ESTIMATES, 1978-79 continuing. Mr. SPEAKER read a message from His I am sure this House will agree that 11 is Excellency the Governor transmitting the a matter of concern to all of us when Supplementary Estimates for the year problems-especially those affecting small 1978-79. children-in Aboriginal communities are Estimates ordered to be printed, and exploited for political purposes. My col­ referred to Committee of Supply. league the Minister for Health and I were at pains to show true care and concern by VOTE ON ACCOUNT, 1980-81 what we did, rather than to merely sound noble. Not so other people, and I think Mr. SPEAKER read a message from His the best commentary on this situation comes Excellency the Governor recommending that in a statement I received, quite unexpectedly, the following provision be made on account from Mr. Jacob Baira, Chairman of the of the services of the year ending 30 June Palm Island Community Council, and the 1981- proper person to speak for his community. From the Consolidated Revenue Fund It states- of Queensland (exclusive of the moneys "Chairman of Palm Island Community standing to the credit of 'the Loan Fund Council, Mr. Jacob Baira, Jnr., today Account), the sum of three hundred and stated that the island town water supply fifty million dollars; was in excellent order, this being con­ From the Trust and Special Funds, the firmed by thorough testing by State health sum of three hundred and seventy million authorities during recent weeks. dollars; "He was referring to the mystery illness From the moneys standing to the credit currently striking at the island's children. of the Loan Fund Account, the sum of He severely condemned comments being fifty million dollars. made by the Aboriginal and Islander Com­ munity Health Service in Townsville and Message referred to Committee of Supply. said that such comments were totallv unfounded and were being made by unqualified people who had not visited the MINISTERIAL STATEMENT island for some months.

OUTBREAK OF CHILD SICKNESS ON "He claimed that their public comments PALM IsLAND had aggravated the situation and created general confusion among Palm Island resi­ Hon. C. R. PORTER (Toowong-Minister dents. He sugge~ted that such unfounded for Aboriginal and Island Affairs) (11.7 statements were being made for political a.m.): There has been an alarming outbreak reasons in an attempt by the Community of child sickness, mainly affecting three to Health Service to justify its existence. nine-year-olds, on Palm Island. Immediately "Mr. Baira stated that comments by the i't appeared this was likely to be more than Community Health Servke over recent a hot-weather gastric outbreak my depart­ weeks concerning supposed contamination ment, in conjunction with the Health of the town supply had encouraged resi­ Department, took action. I cannot speak too dents to open old wells, which had now highly of the excellent work done by been proved to be highly polluted and Department of Health Officers, by the may well be the cause of the illness. Townsville Hospital, and by the Palm Island "He claimed that some people and Hospital itself. organisations were being too quick to Because the illness manifested itself in crWcise in the current situation, and said vomiting and diarrhoea, with consequent ·that their efforts would be better spent dehydration, it was considered desirable to giving positive advice and assistance. 2156 Petitions (4 DECEMBER 1979] Removal of Coats, &c.,

"Mr. Baira praised the staff of Palm [A simi1ar petition was presented by Mr. Island and Townsville Hospitals in doing Austin (348 signatories), and this petition was a magnificent job despite hardships, and read and received.] stated that although they have not yet been able to identify the sickness they had SEX EDUCATION IN STA n: SCHOOLS the situation well under control. "He also suggested that people not scoff Hon. V. J. RXRD (Burdekin-Minister for so openly at recent suggestions that the Education) presented a petition from 998 mystery illness was caused by green man­ elector-; of Queensland, praying that the goes. This theory was one of the very Parliament of Queensland will not introduce few that actually fitted the pattern of the any form of sex education into the primary sickness in that it was striking mostly chHd­ or secondary levels of State schools, but ren aged three to thirteen years who pre­ will establish courses of instruction to assist dominently live in the mango-growing areas and encourage parents to adequately instruct of the community. their children in this matter. "Mr. Baira called on all organisations and Petition read and receive~!. individuals to act responsibly, particularly when making public statements, so that the RELOCHION OF GIBSON'S TANNERY OR present situation was not further aggrav­ AMENDMENT To CLEAN AIR AcT ated, and to allow State health personnel to complete a number of further tests at Mr. GYGAR (Stafford) presented a present under way." pet:tion from 795 residents of the Stafford area and others, shovving that the obnoxious I think that statement effectively disposes smell which emanates from Gibson's Stafford of the unpleasant suggestions and real non­ Road tannery is unacceptable in a residential sense that I or any other responsible person area, and praying that the Parliament of in this Government was not deeply concerned, Queensland will urgently amend the Clean that we were not doing all we should, or Air Act or take such other steps as are ,that we were failing in our duty. We were necessary to require the tannery to immedi­ in touch with Palm Island three to four ately institute procedures or processes which times a day, and they are well aware of my will eliminate the release of these odours or continuing concern and action. require the company to relocate its business But I want to make this point, for it is away from residential areas. something to bear in mind: of all those people Petition read and received. and organisations who made those attacks in the media, not one bothered to contact Mr. Baira to obtain his view on their points ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS TO PROTECT LIVES OF of criticism. Nor did any of the media oheck UNBORN HUMAN BEINGS with him. Hon. C. R. PORTER (Toowong-Minister But it goes much further than that. The for Aboriginal and Island Affairs) presented statement I have just read to this House a petition from 346 citizens of Que;?nsland, was issued on Saturday as a press statement praying that the Parliament of Queensland by Mr. Baira from Palm Island. It was a will demand that the present laws be made complete answer to the reckless accusations enforceable to protect the lives of unborn of people \\ ho should know better. It was human beings. issued to all T.V. stations, to the A.B.C., ,(o Petition read and received. A.A.P. and to "The Sundav Mail". Not one of those organs of the media saw fit to use any part of it. It is almost as though a REMOVAL OF COATS IN CHAMBER conspiracy exis,ts in media circles here to 1\h. AKERS: T rise to a point of order. always feature any charge that denigrates As the air-conditioning unit is not function­ the indigenous peoples and this Government's ing because of the strike by electricity involvement with them, but ignore anything workers, would it be in order today for that shows the other side of the coin. It is members to do as every other person in most regrettable that this impression should office buildings in Queensland is doing, that be given. is, to remove their coats in the Chamber? Mr. SPEAKER: This Parliament has PETITIONS always insisted on the maintenance of a certain standard of dress in the Chamber. PROTECTION OF UNBORN QUEENSLANDERS However, because of the oppressive condi, KILLED BY ABORTION tions, it would not be unreasonable for Mr. DAVIS (Brisbane Central) presented members to remove their coats. a petition from 221 citizens of Queensland, Honourable Members: Hear, hear! praying that the Parliament of Queensland will take all the necessary measures to protect Mr. WARBURTON: I rise to a further the lives of unborn Queenslanders being point of order. Does that ruling apply to kiHed by abortion. dress in the gallery also? Petition read and received. Mr. SPEAKER: Yes. Questions Upon Notice [4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice 2157

QUESTIONS UPON NOTICE possibilities and of the relative commit­ ments of all parties is necessary in view 1. GREENVALE NICKEL PROJECT of the large amounts involved. Lt is Mr. Casey, pursuant to notice, a:,ked the nnticipated that meetings will be held Deputy Premier and Tre:asurer- early in the new year between the various I refer to the announcement that the lenders nnd the Queensland Government Greenvale nickel project ran at a profit initially, and then with the joint venturers, for the six-month period from April to to consider these matters. September this year a'1d the comments by company chairman, Sir Thomas Webb, 2. ST. GEORGE POLICE STATION that current profitability could not be sustained in the face of massive oil price Mr. Ahern for Mr. Neal, pursuant to increases, and ask- notice, asked the Minister for Mines, Energy and Police- (!) As it is predicted that oil prices will increase faster than inflation, what assist­ With reference to the transfer of two ance is the Queensland Government offer­ police officers from St. George in July, ing the Greenvale joint \ enture for con­ and as only one vacancy has been filled, verting from oil to coal? when will the other vacancy be filled to bring the St. George Police Station to (2) What talks ha\"e been held between fuil strength? the company and the Queensland Govern­ ment to determine the most satisfactory Answer:- basis for financing the capital cost of It was decided, in the interes•ts of converting from oil to coal? efficiency, that a sergeant 2/c position at (3) Does the Government believe that St. George should be created in place of if there is not a satisfactory conversion a position for a constable. The second from oil to coal, a further restructuring vacancy for a constable was therefore not of the Greenvale debt will be necessary, filled and a position for a sergeant 2/ c with the pending OPEC increases in oil was advertised in the Police Gazette. The prices? appointee is expected to arrive at St. George about 17 December 1979. Answer:- (1 to 3) Greenvale has very complicated 3. MooNIE STATE ScHOOL financial arrangements and intricate debt restructuring involving lenders from four Mr. Ahem for Mr. Neal, pursuant to continents. In addition, the Queensland notice, asked the Minister for Works and Government has provided very substantial Housing- financial assistance by way of i•ts guarantee When will septic toilets be provided for of a sizeable portion of the total debt. the Moonie State School? The Greenvale project joint-venture companies, the lenders and the Queensland Answer:- Government as guarantor are very con­ P!ans and estimate of cost are being cerned to reduce •the burden to the project prepared for the provision of septic toilets of high oil prices, provided, of course, at the Moonie State School. It is expected that it proves to be economically feasible that these documents will be completed to do so. In this regard, consultants in the reasonably near future. engaged by the joint-venture companies Although no indication can be given at have recently completed an engineering present as to when this project will be and cos.t study of the possibility of con­ approved, the honourable member is verting treatment plant facilities, which assured that the work will be undertaken presently consume around half of the pro­ at the earliest possible date. ject's oil consumption, from an oil-fuel base to a coal-fuel base. It has been indicated tha·t substantial cost savings could 4. RAILWAY DEPARTMENT LAND, TARA be made if such a conversion wa; to be Mr. Ahem for Mr. Neal, pursuant to undertaken. However, very large capital notice, asked the Minister for Transport-- costs are involved. As the project is still Will he give consideration to a request unable to meet all of its debt-servicing from the Tara Shire Council for the commitments to lenders, further special acquisition of a portion of railway land arrangements need to be made with !enders adjacent to the triangle at Tara for use and the State Government if the necessary as residential sites? capital is to be obtained for the coal­ conversion proposal. Answer:- The joint-venture companies have now Subject to the Tara Shire Council's completed a presentation of their proposal agreeing •to· comply with the following to the various lenders and the State conditions, the Commissioner for Railways Government and each of the parties is in is prepared to accede to the excision of the early stages of e\ aluating that pro­ an area of railway land to enable the posal. Thorough investigation of the council to acquire it for the development feasibility of the: scheme of financing of a housing estate: 2158 Questions Upon Notice (4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

(1) The council would be required to I suggest that they advise the local district meet the cost of excision of the area and office of my department's Division of the amendment to the railway reserve, Occupational Safety of their concern. including survey costs and registration fees.

(2) It would be the responsibility of 6. DRUG SQUAD, GOLD COAST AREA the council to fence the northern and eastern boundaries of the proposed housing Mr. Bishop, pursuant to notice, asked the estate to a standard determined by the Minister for Mines, Energy and Police- Railway Department. In view of the repeated association of .(3) The provision of any filling and the the Gold Coast with drug activity, will carrying out of any earthworks on the he state if and when action will be taken area shall not cause flooding of railway by the Police Department to introduce a land during periods of wet wea,ther. drug squad to the Gold Coast as distinct from continuing to rely on the Brisbane (4) The council shall provide adequate Drug Squad? drainage of the area away from railway pmperty, submitting relevant plans to the Answer:- department for examination and approval It is not proposed to form a detach­ before the work is commenced. ment of the Drug Squad at the Gold Once the council has indicated that it Coast. The present Drug Squad is a State is willing to comply with these conditions, squad and, as such, operates throughout action will be taken to proceed with the the State as required. It is a departmental excision of this land. requirement of members who are ,trans­ ferred to Criminal Investigation Branches outside the metropolitan area to complete 5. SUPERVISION OF OPERATION OF CRANES six weeks with the Drug Squad before deoarting on transfer. These men are all Mr. Bishop, pursuant to notice, asked the experienced officers, and this period of Minister for Labour Relations- training is considered adequate. As the huge increase in high-rise con­ struction in Surfers Paradise has resulted in a proliferation of cranes on the con­ 7. EFFECf OF CHANGED SCHOOL HOLIDAYS struction jobs, resulting in an increase in ON TOURIST ACCOMMODATION materials falling from cranes to such an Mr. Bishop, pursuant to notice, asked extent that lives are being endangered, the Minister for Maritime Services and what action will he take to more cffectivelv Tourism- supervise the dangerous loads that are With reference to the Government's creating hazards to the public, and what decision to alter the school holiday breaks recourse do private citizens have to protect in Queensland, will he assure the tourist themselves and their property from the industry that the Government will careless actions of developers? encourage the Tourist and Travel Cor­ poration to take advantage of the pro­ Answer:- motional aspects of the change so that Whilst I agree that there has been a the rest of Australia will be a ware of higher increase in high-rise construction the greater freedom tourists \\ill have in in Surfers Paradise, I have no evidence booking accommodation in Queensland? to support a claim tha,t there has been an increase in material falling from cranes Answer:- in this area. Apart from the recent inci­ The Queensland Tou:rist and Travel dent in Old Bur!eigh Road, the inspectors Corporation welcomes the change in school o.f construction work, Southpor,t, have not holiday dates in Queensland and will act had cause to investigate any accidents to ensure that maximum benefit to the arising from material falling from cranes. tourist industry is derived therefrom. The recent incident in Old Bur!eigh Road was not the result of material fall­ 8. INSPECTORS APPOINTED TO ENFORCE ing from a crane, but was caused by a NOisE ABATEMENT Acr load suspended from a crane dislodging a timber handrail. Mr. Prest, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Local Government and Main All cranes used on construction sites are Roads- required to be regularly inspeoted, and can be operated only by a person holding With reference to the Noise Abatement the relevant certificate o.f competency. All Act 1978, which was assented to in June crane-chasers and dogmen directing or 1978- slinging loads handled by cranes are also (1) How many inspectors have been required to hold ceDtificates. appointed (a) for Queensland, and (b) in Should private citizens have cause to each division of the State? worry about personal safety or property (2) Where is each inspector stationed, damage as a result of construction work and on what date was each appointment being performed adjacent ,to their property, made? Questions Upon Notice (4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice 2159

(3) How is each inspector paid for work Mr. H. M. Hart, Deputy Director done outside his normal hours of duty? of Air Pollution Control, 19 January Is it by payment by way of normal 1970; overtime rates, or it is by way of Mr. J. Reynolds, Senior Air Pollution equivalent time off in lieu of payment Control Officer, 14 December 1970; for time worked? Mr. R. Wolff, Executive Engineer, ( 4) Have these inspectors any staff Division II, 17 February 1977; under their control to assist with office procedures and, if so, how many in each Mr. D. K. Garlipp, Executive Eng­ district and where are they stationed? ineer, Divisiun Il, 8 May 1978; Mr. I. F. Badham, Executive Engineer, Answers:- Division II, 17 April 1978; (! & 2) One inspector and one technical Mr. P. C. Kendall, Senior Inspector, officer have been appointed. The inspector 10 February 1971; was appointed on 18 June 1979. The tech­ Mr. W. J. Wardle, Air Pollution nical officer was appointed on 20 August Inspector, 19 January 1976; 1979. The positions of two inspectors, three technical officers and Deputy Direc­ Mr. P. A. Meiklejohn, Inspector, 28 tor of Noise Abatement are currentlv March 1977; being advertised. - Mr. B. R. Thiele, Chief Air Quality The staff of the Division of Noise Abate­ Assessment Officer, 30 September 1968; ment are stationed in Brisbane but mav Dr. P. M. Nimmo, Air Pollution be required to serve in any part of the Control Technologist, 23 September State. 1974; (3) The question of recompense to Mr. D. H. Wainwright, Chemist Divis­ inspectors for work performed outside ion I, 31 October 1977; normal office hours is currently under con­ Mr. W. A. Muller, Chemist, Division sideration by the Public Service Board. II, 14 November 1977; ( 4) The present office staff to service the Noise Abatement Division comprises Dr. K. A. Verrall, Chemist, Division a secretary to the Noise Abatement I, 11 June 1979; Authority and a stenographer, both stat­ Mr. R. G. Mclntyre, Laboratory Tech­ ioned in Brisbane. Additional staff will be nician Division I, 5 August 1968; sought as need arises. Mr. K. 0. Allison, Laboratory Tech­ nician, Division I, 1 July 1975; Mr. J. E. Stewart, Laboratory Tech­ 9. AIR POLLUTION MONITORING STATIONS nician, Division I, 27 February 1978; Mr. Prest, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Local Government and Main Mr. W. T. Jeffery, Instrument Maker Roads- and Repairer, 10 May 1971; With reference to the Clean Air Act- Mr. R. L. Williams, Professional Assis­ 1963- tant (Air Pollution), 1 January 1971; (1) How many air pollution monitoring Mr. E. H. Mumford, Laboratory stations are in Queensland? Attendant, 27 January 1972; (2) In what areas are they situated, and Mr. S. M. Weston, Laboratory \\hen were they set up? Attendant, 10 April 1978. (3) How many inspectors or operators Part-time assistance is obtained from a are in Queensland, in what areas are health surveyor of Mt. Isa City Council. these inspectors or operators located, and on what date did they take up their appointments? 10. DEATHS CAUSED BY DRUGS

Answers:- Mr. Prest, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Health- (!) Sixty-one. With reference to the growing problem (2) Brisbane, progressively since 1969; of abuse and illegal use of drugs in the Bowen, February 1972; Townsville, April community- 1972; Mt. Isa, October 1974; Gladstone, July 1979. (!) How many deaths are known to have occurred because of the abuse or (3) The technical and scientific staff misuse of (a) prescribed and (b) illegal of the Division of Air Pollution Control drugs during each of the last five years? comprises 21 officers. Twenty are based in Brisbane. One is based in Townsville. (2) Will he table (a) details as to The dates of their appointments are as the type of drugs associated with each follows:- recorded death, and (b) specific informa­ Dr. G. J. Cleary, Director of Air tion relating to the age groups of the Pollution Control, 4 January 1974; deceased? 2160 Questions Upon Notice (4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

Answer:- The details below relate to deaths in Queensland over the years 1973 to 1977 (! & 2) The precise details of the statis­ inclusive, resulting from: tics in regard to deaths due to drugs is (i) accidental poisoning by drugs and not recorded and therefore not able to be medicaments; supplied. (ii) suicide and self-inflicted poisoning No statistics are kept differentiating by solid or liquid substances. between deaths by prescribed drugs as Note that this second item extends to distinct from illegal drugs. However, for poisoning from substances such as alco­ the information of the honourable mem­ hols, cleaning agents, etc., and so must ber, the following st•atistics are supp!.ied. be treated with considerable caution.

CAUSES OF DEATH IN QUEENSLAND

1973 11974 : 19751197611977 1978

Accidental Poisoning {~-,-,-~-- By antibiotics and other anti-infectives

M-.. ~-.. ,-.. - .. ~-.. - .. By hormones and synthetic substitutes { F J ... , .... l .. r .. M-.. I_.. :- .. ~-.. - .. ~,-1 By primarily systemic and haematologic agents { F 1 "!"[" ....

By analgesics and anti-pyretics {; ----~-----:~--

By other sedatives and hypnotics {~ -:r:r::-1:1 : By autonomic nervous system and psycho­ therapeutic drugs {; -1---..-!- .. -,-.. -~-:1 ..

By other central nervous system depressants and stimulants {~ ' i 11 .. 1 .. rM .. .. ; ...... By cardio-vascular drugs

LF .. .. i .. 11 1 .. .. fM ----~------~-- By other and unspecified drugs and medicaments .. '\_ 1 .. I 2 ...... 1 TotaL-By drugs and medicaments ------1------]------·---{~ ~-:1:::1~ Suicide and Self-inflicted Poisoning 38 54 43 51 37 43 By solid or liquid substances .. {; 54 56 57 41 47 50

All of the foregoing information is available from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, and it will be noted that 1978 figures are provisional. Questions Upon Notice [4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice 2161

11. ADDITIONAL LAND FOR STATE SCHOOLS, 13. DIRECTION SIGNS TO BRACKEN RIDGE NORRIS ROAD, BRAY PARK AND 1\'lr. Akers, pursuant to notice, asked the MT. SAMSON Minister for Local Government and Main Mr. Akers, pursuant to notice, asked the Roads- Minister for Works and Housing- As the Brisbane City Council has at What is the present position regarding last discovered the existence of Bracken the provision of extr'" land for the State Ridge and i:: in the process of erecting schools at (a) Norris Road, (b) Bray direction signs on roads under its control Park, and (c) Mt. Samson? to assist visitors to that suburb, will he help resiJenls of this area and give direc­ tions for similar signs to be erected on Answer:- roads under his control? (a) The Land Administration Commis­ Answer:- s,ion has been requested to acquire an area of 1.94 hectares adjacent to the The Main Roads Department has adopted western boundary of the site of the Norris a system of using foca.J points for direc­ Road State School so as to enlarge the tion-signing on roads unde,r its control. The schoolgrounds. foca.J point for direction-signing from Gympie Road and Sandgate Road in the (b) Negotiations are presently proceed­ Bracken Ridge direction is Redcliffe. There ing with the Queensland Housing Com­ are over 400 suburbs listed in the Brisbane mission to acquire additional land for the U.B.D. and only a few can be focal points. Bray Park State School. A valuation of this land is ,presently awaited. 14. TowNsvrLLE TowN CoMMON (c) The ltand under consideration of acquisition for the Mt. Samson State Mr. Ahern for Dr. Scott-Young, pursuant School is the property of the Brisbane to notice, asked the M,inister for Culture, City Council and is part of an area National Parks and Recreation- resumed by that council as part of the Cl) Has his attention been drawn to water catchment

15. UNEMPLOYMENT STATISTICS Answer:- Mr. Ahern for Dr. Scott-Young, pursuant There are two matters which the hon­ to notice, asked the Minister for Labour ourable member has raised in this question. Relations- Action has been taken to expedite the issue of two titles by arranging for prompt With reference to his answer to a attention to the preparation of the neces­ question by the Leader of the Opposition on employment on 27 November- sary compiled plan based on ~he resump­ tion survey. With regard to the aspect of (!) Did he read of a claim by the compensation, it is understood that the Leader of the Opposition outside the solio1tor for the owner has been asked to House that he had completely side-stepped seek further instructions from his client. the question? 2162 Questions Upon Notice [4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

(2) Despite having given an entirely Despite all this, the Leader of the satisfactory and responsible answer, will Opposition has talked in the Press again he now inform the Leader of the Opposi­ in terms of Queens1and being on the brink tion of the changing nature of the work­ of economic 'collapse in regard to job force and the record Queensland perform­ growth. The Leader of the Opposi,tion ance, as compiled by the Australian either diS!,plays abysmal ignorance of the Bureau of Statistics? facts or is continuing to completely and deliberately mislead the people of Queens­ land. Whatever the reason, and no matter Answer:- how much I deplore unemployment, the (1 & 2) I refused to give hypothetical official ,figures I have quoted utterly 'answers to the honourable Leader of the destroy his last vestige of credibility. Opposition on Tuesday because I believe the people of Queensland prefer truth to nebulous prediction. 16. OUTBREAK OF SHIGELLA AT WOLSTON As the honourable member is obviously PARK HosPITAL completely ,ignorant of all the factors Mr. D' Arcy, pursuant to notice, asked the which must be taken into account in order Minister for Health- to conceive a total picture, I see it as With reference to a notice that appears my duty to enlighten him so that he can on the notice board at Ellerton House, make simple comparisons. Wolston Park Hospital, which informs Australian Bureau of Statistics figures artisans that due to an outbreak of show that, in the three years to August shigella in Section B they are to report 1979, 41,600 more men found jobs in to the senior nurse before entering the Queensland, as did 48,200 more women. area to obtain protective clothing, and on leaving the area tools are to be sterilised l am confident that figures for all of for four hours and electrical tools are to 1979, which I will report to the House as be wiped with antiseptic- soon as they are available next year, will show continued improvement. (!) How serious is the outbreak of shigella at Wolston Park? Two points which tend to be ignored are that Australia's population reached (2) How many cases have been a record level last year and there was a reported? record number of women in the work­ (3) What is the danger to staff at the force. It is significant, as ~I stated in the hospital? House in answer to a question recently, that Queensland's population is growing at Answers:- an annual rate of 1.14 per cent. This is (!) The recent outbreak of Shigella much greater than the rate in many other sonnei at Wolston Park Hospital is not St,ates. considered an exceptionally serious prob­ More women than ever before are rejoin­ lem as it is not life-threatening and all ing the national work-force and the com­ possible protective measures have been petition they are offering makes it harder taken. for teenagers, particularly junior girls, to (2) There were a total of six cases get jobs. The proportion of married detected and only one person has a positive women in the female wor,k-force in Queens­ result at present. Only one member of land last ye,ar increased to 60.6 per cent, the nursing staff was found to have the according to the Bureau of Statistics. symptoms of Shigella sonnei and W1as receiving treatment from her private prac­ At the end of August 1979, females rep­ titioner at Ipswich Ho;;;pital. resented 34.4 per cent of the work-force in Queensland. Married women represented (3) There appears to be no danger to 20.8 per cent. Last December there staff at the hospibal if contact with the were 152,700 more people at work in isolation area is kept to a minimum and Australia than in 1975, and civilian protective clothing is worn as per hospital employment reached a record high of regulations. Personal hygiene also pJ,ays 6,097,500. Yet there was also record an important role in the prevention of such unemployment. an illness. If these instructions are adhered to, it should significantly reduce the risk of This apparent paradox occurred because this illness. the number of people coming into the work-force went up by 283,800 to a record level as ,a result of rising population and 17. REFUSAL OF HEALTH DEPARTMENT the decision of so many more w,ives that TO NEGOTIATE WITH A.W.U. ~hey wanted to go back to work or to stay Mr. D' Arcy, pursuant to notice, asked the m the work-force. For ~the information Minister for Health- of the Leader of the Opposition and (1) Is he aware that the Public Service despite unemployment levels, about two­ Board filed an industrial agreement with thirds of this record Australian population the industrial registrar at the Industria! is now either working or wanting to wonk. Commission giving $10.50 for all purposes, Questions Upon Notice [4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice 2163

to members of the FEDFA, ETU and Certain analgesics are restricted as pre­ AMWSU employed in Queensland hos­ scription only drugs under the poisons pitals and that when the A WU asked regulations and ava,ilability is further for the same $10.50 for its hospital restricted as considered necessary by the employees it was opposed by the State Queensland Hospitals Drug Advisory Government and rejected by the Public Committee. Service Board? (3) No figures are available to demon­ (2) Why is he and his department strate comparable usage among the Aus­ refusing to negotiate with the A WU on tralian States of drugs and pharmaceuticals this matter? dispensed through hospitals and health institutions. Answer:- (1 & 2) Discussions on this matter have taken place between the Department of the Public Service Board and representatives of 19. BYPASS ROAD, MAREEBA the Australian Workers' Union. As a Mr. Ahern for Mr. Tenni, pursuant to resuJ,t of this, the union is to consider its notice, asked the Minister for Local Govern­ further course of action in relation to a ment and Main Rnads- claim which had previously been filed in the Industrial Commission. When will the alignment for the proposed bypass of the main road at Mareeba be available, as the Mareeba Shire 18. DRUG-DISPENSING, STATE HosPITALS Council and the Lands Department require AND HEALTH INSTITUTIONS this urgently for the purpose of sub­ division and development of industrial land Mr. D'Arcy, pursuant to notice, asked the now urgently required? Minister for Health- Cl) What measures are adopted by his department to monitor the prescribing of Answer:- analgesics and barbiturates in State institu­ Planning of the Mareeba bypass has tions and hospitals? been developed to the 9tage of initial (2) Is he aware of concern expressed selectinn of the alignmen>t of the centre that drug-dispensing through State hos­ line. Plans showing the details of this pitals and health institutions is reaching alignment and possible land requirements the situation where Queensland is fast were handed to the shire engineer on 14 becoming the "pill-taking" State of the November and a !otter of confirmation Commonwealth? sent to the shire clerk on 26 November. (3) Has he any statistical information It is considered that the informatinn made relative to this issue and, if so, is the available is sufficient for planning adjacent concern valid? subdivisions and industrial development. The honourable member will, of course, Answers:- be aware that there is no intention of (1) The new computer system recently constructing the Mareeba bypass in the installed at the Central Drug Store, Bris­ immediate future, and consequently no bane, is now recording all issues of drugs further refinement of the information given and pharmaceuticals to State hospitals and to da,te is considered necessary at this institutions. The system is capable of S>tage. storing the data as it is generated and collating usage figures for the various groups of drugs such as barbiturates and analgesics. 20. EDUCATION DEPARTMENT LAND, MAREEBA The computer is programmed to moni­ tor ,the ordering of drugs by hospitals by Mr. Ahern for Mr. Tenni, pursuant to imposing 1>imits on the quantities which notice, asked the Minister for Education- can be ordered and by the application of prescribing restrictions on certain drugs When will the old school building and as recommended by the Queensland site at Yorkeys Knob be declared surplus Hospitals Drug Advisory Committee. to his department's requirements? Print-outs are being prepared on a Answer:- monthly basis and routinely issued to all State hospitals boards showing drug It is not intended that the si,te and build­ expenditure for their hospitals. ings of the old Yorkeys Knob State School (2) No. Barbiturates are declared drugs be declared surplus to the requirements of under section 30 of the Health Act 1937- my department a't the present time. Cnn­ 1973, and records are required to be kept sideration is being given to the cnntinuing of barbiturates dispensed in accordance with usage of the old site and buildings thereon section H7 of the Poisons Regulabions of fm other educational purposes, such as 1973. environmental studies. 2164 Questions Upon Notice [4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

21. CAIRNs STATE HIGH ScHOOL licences of the offending fisherman or Mr. Ahern for Mr. Tenni, pursuant to close the southern end of Moreton Bay notice, asked the Minister for Works and to net fishing? Housing- ( I) What are the details of the building Answers:- prograr:1me at the Cairns State High (! & 2) I am not aware of any recent School? specific complaints of illegal netting on (2) Which jobs have been completed, the foreshores of the islands referred to. and what was the cost during the past (3) The officers of the Queensland Boat­ fiye years'? ing and Fisheries Patrol have been requested to take appropriate action in Answers:- regard to this complaint, and will be con­ tacting the honourable member for any (1) Prelimin wy planning is presently in specific information which might lbe in his hand for Stage 1 of upgrading the former possession. technical coilege buildings. Consideration will be given to approving this work when (4) I am prepared to consider appro­ the estimate of cos't is available, in rela­ priate deterrent action for persistent tion to the funds that can be allocated for offenders, rather than a complete closure works of this nature. of the area as ,the latter could seriously affect the livelihood of professionals who The Draft Forward Planning Programme have conducted their business in a per­ requests tha,t consideration be given to the fectly correct manner. following projects as funds become avail­ able:- Upgrading former technical college 23. DANGEROUS SwiMMING-POOL SALT buildings-Stage 2 CHLORINATORS Upgrading former technical college Mr. Ahern for Mr. Goleby, pursuant to buildings-Stage 3 notice, asked the Minister for Labour Rela­ (2) During the past five years, an amount tions- of $462,353 has been expended at this (1) Is he aware that some salt chlorina­ high school on such jobs as new library tors used in family swimming-pools are and class-rooms; external painting of "B" a danger to pool users? block; conversion of some of ,the technical (2) \Vill he have investigated certain college buildings; provision of showers and makes of chlorinators, in particular Auto­ general renovations, repairs and improve­ chlor and Watermaid, that are reported ments. to have exploded under some circum­ Presently, the future needs for secondary stances, which could cause considerable education in Cairns and the surrounding harm and injury to pool users? areas are being assessed. The outcome of this investigation will determine where Answer:- new high schools will be established and (! & 2) Whilst the Consumer Affairs ·the e~tent to which accommodation at Bureau does have an interest in this matter, the present Cairns High School will need I am advised that the Director-General of to be improved. Health and Medical Services has carried out investigations into the safety and health aspects of pool chemicals and, in 22. ILLEGAL NET FISHING, MoRETON BAY the circumstances, I suggest the honour­ Mr. Ahern for Mr. Goleby, pursuant to able member might direct his question to notice, asked the Minister for Maritime Ser­ the Honourable the Minister for Health. vices and Tourism- (!) h he aware of the blatant abuse 24. ROAD AcCIDENTS CAUSED BY INTAKE of fishing laws by some net fishermen OF DRUGS operating on the foreshores of the bay islands of Russell, Lamb, McLeay and Mr. Davis, pursuant to notice, asked the Karragarra? Minister for Mines, Energy and Police- (2) Has he been informed that these (!) What procedures are adopted to irresponsible fishermen are killing off huge assess the cause of road accidents? numbers of small fish and sand and mud (2) Is the Traffic Appreciation Squad crabs by illegal staking of nets? operating in all police districts in the (3) In view of this wanton destruction State? of fish and crabs, will he, through his (3) In how many accidents assessed in officers, take the necessary action to have each of the last three years has the the offenders apprehended? prime cause believed to have been associ­ ( 4) If this practice of illegal net fishing, ated with the taking of drugs other than which is causing · the loss of many alcohol? thousands of small fish and crabs, continues, ( 4) Is he able to provide statistical will he consider the cancelling of the information to demonstrate any increasing Questions Upon Notice [4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice 2165

trend in the number of accidents being Railway Department is selling a soft drink caused by the illegal use or abuse of drugs? called "Cheqers" manufactured by Speci­ ally Waters International Pty. Limited, Answers:- Melbourne, on the "Sunlander" and the (!) Police officers investigating traffic "Capricornian"? accidents report the cause, and these reports (2) As there are numerous soft-drink are transmitted to the Transport Depart­ manufacturers in Queensland, will he ment and the Bureau of Statistics. The ensure that the department conforms with latter department publishes a quarterly the campaign to "Buy Queensland Made"? detailed analysis of such statistics. (2) No. Answer:- (3 & 4) Accident statistics of the nature (! & 2) Yes. Following the calling of sought are not heM by this department. tenders for the supply of soft drinks, the Statistics are held as to the number of Railway Department did purchase some persons charged with drink-driving offences, of these commodities from Specialty but they do not distinguish between those Waters International Pty. Ltd. However, persons affected by alcohol and those the purchase of soft drinks is now affected by drugs. designed to meet the popular demand of rail travellers by offering a wide range of soft drinks from the various suppliers. 25. FEASIBILITY STUDIES INTO CONSTRUCTION The soft drinks will be Queensland made. AND ELECTRIFICATION OF RAILWAY LINES Mr. Davis, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Transport-- 27. EFFECT OF METAL PRICES ON With reference to his recent announce­ DENTISTRY ment about the findings in the consultants' Dr. Lockwood, pursuant to notice, asked report of the feasibility studies of the the Minister for Health- electrification of the Central Queensland (!) Have dentists expressed concern coalfields, Brisbane-Gladstone, Brisbane­ that the present record world prices for Toowoomba, and the rebuilding of the gold and silver will ultimately affect the Gold Coast line to Brisbane- cost of gold inlays and silver-mercury (1) Who were the consultants engaged amalgam fillings used by denti5ts? for these studies? (2) If the';e traditional metals become (2) What was the cost of each study? too expensive for dentistry, could acrylics (3) When will this Parliament be given and other substances be used just as the opportunity to view these reports? effectively? Answers:- Answers:- (!) (a) The main line electrification (!) It is understood that dentists are study \\as undertaken by P. G. p,ak-Poy concerned about rising costs of all kinds and Associates Pty. Ltd., in association including those resulting from the dram­ with R. L. Banks and Associates Inc., atic increases in the prices of gold and Elrail Consultants Pty. Ltd., Transmark silver. However, it would require further Ltd. and Gutteridge Haskins and Davey massive increases to make these metals Pty. Ltd. too expensive for dental use. (b) The Gold Coast transportation (2) I am advised that filling materials study was undertaken by P. G. Pak-Poy based on plastics similar to the acrylic and Associates Pty. Ltd., in association resins have gained greater acceptance in with Louis T. Klander and Associates, recent years due more to improved qual­ John Paterson Urban Systems, and Fred ities than lower price. There are many Affieck and Associates. situations where they cannot be used (2) (a) The estimated final cost is effectively in place of gold or amalgam. $507,666. (b) The estimated final cost is $120,000 approximately. 28. UsE OF LACTOSE AS SWEETENER Dr. Lockwood, pursuant to notice, asked (3) It is not proposed to release these reports at this time. the Minister for Health- With reference to the current advertising campaign which is actively promoting lac­ 26. OBSERVANCE BY RAILWAY DEPART­ tose or milk sugar as a substitute sweet­ MENT OF "BuY QUEENSLAND MADE" ener for use in food and drinks- CAMPAIGN (1) Has lactose any real advantage as Mr. Davis, pursuant to notice asked the a sweetener over cane sugar? Minister for Transport- ' (2) Since lactose is not as naturally (1) Is he aware of the Government's sweet as cane sugar, would not the con­ campaign entitled "Buy Queensland Made" sumer tend to use more lactose than and, if so, is he aware that the Queensland cane sugar? 2166 Questions Upon Notice [4 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Notice

(3) As lactose has approximately the 30. GOVERNMENT FINANCIAL AsSISTANCE same caloric value as cane sugar and as TO SPORT lactose is readily converted in the body Mr. Frawley, pursuant ·to notice, asked ·the to glucose, will he seek to alert diabetics Minister for Culture, National Parks and by having the advertisers include a warning Recreation- that lactose is not to be equated with synthetic sweeteners used by diabetics and, Cl) What amounts of money were made further, that unrestricted use of lactose by available by the Government for sport diabetics could be extremely dangerous? from 1972 to 1979? (2) What contributions were made by Answers:- previous Labor Governments in Queens­ (!) No, lactose has no advantage over land for sport in this State? cane sugar as a sweetener. Answers:- (2) If used alone, lactose is considerably (1) The annual reports of the Director less sweet than cane sugar and it would of Sport show that the subsidies and be necessary to use about 67 per cent grants paid to sporting assodat~ons and more of it for a similar sweetening effect, clubs throughout Queensland smce the but one gram of this product, yielding inception of the scheme for assistance and about 15 kilojoules of food energy, will encouragement to sport in late 1972 from replace about 10 grams of sugar which funds allocated to my department have yield 160 kilojoules, so the consumer will been- tend to lower his saccaride intake when using the product instead of cane sugar. Financial year (3) Since the quantity used is so small, 1972-73 $117,806.10 the danger of a diabetic significantly 1973-74 $468,615.58 exceeding his prescribed carbohydrate diet 1974-75 $824,995.45 is low. The label and literature accom­ 1975-76 $1,320,000.00 panying the product give quite satisfactory 1976-77 $1,560,000.00 information on its dietary significance. 1977-78 $2,422,964.45 Officers of my department have had this 1978-79 $2,238,265.16 product under examination for several weeks and an analysis was completed late Total $8,952,646.74 last week. The matter of the misleading advertising is now being taken up with The allocation for expenditure in the the manufacturers and the Australian present 1979-80 financial year is a further Broadcasting Tribunal. $2,916,41 0.00. In addition to these amounts, the Gov­ 29. WITNESSING OF SIGNATURES BY J.P.s ernment has also already paid $3,722,700 to AT SUPREME COURT the greater Brisbane Ci

32. SUBSIDIES TO SNRTING BODIES Hills, Brisbane, and which contains an Mr. Warburton, pursuant to notice, asked illustrated advertisement for what is the Minister for Culture, National Parks and described as artificial marijuana plants at Recreation- a cost of $5.95 each, obtainable by apply­ ing to Post Office Box 658, Manly, New Cl) With reference to subsidies payable South Wales 2095, and also mentions the to sporting associations and clubs from words "pot" and "insert"- funds allocated for assistance and encour­ agement to sport, and with particular refer­ (1) In view of the public concern over ence to the extremely large $215,667 sub­ drug-taking and trafficking in Queensland, sidy paid towards the cost of construction will he undertake to have the matter of an ice skating rink at Acacia Ridge, investigated as a matter of urgency? are there any restrictions placed upon the (2) Does he agree that this form of recipients of such subsidies by the Gov­ advertising must tend to promote an ernment so as to prevent the sale or inters! in the drug plant, and what action leasing of the project which has been will he take to have this obnoxious form subsidised from public funds? of advertising prohibited in this State? (2) What action does the Government take to protect large investments of this Answer:- kind? (1 & 2) There is no law in Queensland to prohibit advertisement for sale of artificial Answer:- marijuana plants. Whether this form of (! & 2) Sporting associat,ions and clubs, advertising would tend to promote an for the most part, construct their facilities interest in the drug plant is a matter of on Crown land or land leased from a conjecture. The article is, of course, local authority which cannot be re-leased not dangerous in itself ,and legislation to or solo!. Where a sporting association or prohibit this advertisement or sales of the club, by its own fund-raising efforts, has article would be impracticable and could acquired freehold property, as is the case raise constitutional difficulties in view of w,ith the Ice Skating Association of Queens­ the interstate nature of the operation. I land which has constructed an ice skating have suffident confidence in the good sense rink at Acacia Ridge, ,they are entitled to of Queenslanders to suggest that they will subsidy for projects which qualify within see the "toy" which is advertised as a the guidelines. Subsidy is not pa,id on the gimmick in the poorest of tastes. I con­ purchase price of land. sider that it should be treated with the Acpplications are accepted in good faith contempt it deserves. from reputable executive officers of the various voluntary non-profit sporting organ­ isations. It is improbable that any sporting 34. MORETON ISLAND INQUIRY association or club would or could lease or Mr. T. A. White, pursuant to notice, asked sell their sporting facilities erected in most the ,Premier- cases after a long struggle to raise the necessary finance and of which they are (!) Which Government departments and justifiably proud. authorities are represented on the inter­ departmental committee set up to advise In the most unlikely event of any sport­ on the future land use of Moreton Island? ling association or club seeking to sell facilities on freehold property which had (2) Has the committee requested sub­ been subsidised from sporting funds-to missions from the sand-mining companies date this has not occurred-the Govern­ involved on Moreton Island? ment would justifiably expect and demand (3) Have other groups interest~d in the the return of all or part of the subsidy future use of Moreton Island been like­ previously provided, having in mind, of wise contacted by the committee to present course, the length of time which had their views? elapsed since the facility was first con­ (4) When do they expect to have com­ structed. pleted their report? I might add that the department's experience to date has been that only an Answers:- ex,tremely small number of sporting organ­ (!) The Committee comprises­ isations have erected facilities on other Co-ordinator-General (Chairman); than Crown or local authority land. Under Secretary, Department of Mines; 33. ADVERTISING OF ARTIFICIAL MARIJUANA Chairman, Land Administration Com- ,PLANTS mission; Mr. Warburton, pursuant to notice asked Director of Local Government; the Premier- ' Valuer-General; With reference to the 22 November Director of National Parks and Wild­ is~ue_ of "People", which is a magazine life; d1stnbuted Widely in Queensland by General Manager, Queensland Tourist Queensland Newspapers Pty. Ltd., Bowen and Travel Corporation. 2168 Questions Upon Notice [4 DECEMBER 1979) Questions Upon Notice

(2) The committee has not requested Answers:- submissions from the sand,mining com­ (!) New licensing cr.iteria for otter trawl­ panies but has held discussions and ers were introduced in an effort to constrain obtained data from them concerning the a massive influx of new vessels into the relative importance of ore bodies on the fishery off the Queensland east coast. It island. was estimated that over 400 new vessels (3) When the Government released the were under construction or about to enter report of the Committee of Inquiry­ the fishery, and responses since the policy Future Land Use-Moreton Island, I was announced have confirmed the accur­ invited public comments on that report acy of this estimate. Many of these trawlers on the understanding that any comments being constructed in interstate shipyards would be considered by the present com­ are large vessels over 23 m in length, and mittee. A number of submissions have are being built specifically for the Queens­ been received from private individuals and land east coast, which was virtually the organisations interested in the future use last trawling ground of any con­ of the island. sequence in Australia not subjected to some form of restricted licensing until the intro­ (4) The Co"ordinator,General expects duction of the current policy. that a report will be completed early in the new year. (2) No. Closure of sections of the resource would only have intensified further the already high fishing pressures presently 35. WooDY POINT JETTY operating. There is also no information Mr. T. A. White, pursuant to notice, available on which closures could be based, asked the Minister for Maritime Services nor can such information be readily and Tourism- obtained. Is he aware of ·the deteriorating condition (3) Cabinet approved the new policy on of the Woody Point jetty 1and, if so, 24 September 1979, and the policy was what action does his department have in announced and came into force on the mind to maintain the jetty in the future? following day. (4) The policy was introduced without Answer:- warning to avoid an inevitable last-minute Yes. The jetty is quite safe Jor the and uncontrollable rush for licences which pedestdan traffic and occasional small­ would have negated the intent of the policy. craft use it receives. This use does not (5) Some such effects are unavoidable justify major expenditure on maintenance whenever entry to an industry is restricted, which would be appropriate if it were whatever the nature of such industry may heavily trafficked. My department will be. Discussions are going on with industry carry out annual inspections of the struc­ representatives with a view to determining ture. To ensure that the jetty remains a replacement policy which wiU keep such safe, any necessary maintenance ;will be effects within bounds. carried out by Redcliffe City Council and paid for by my department. (6) Queensland residents who can prove ,they committed .themselves to enter the fishery prior to 25 September will have no 36. LICENSING OF PRAWN TRAWLERS problem wilh the licensing of their vessels Mr. Innes, pursuant to notice, asked the when completed. It is not possible at this Minister for Maritime Services and Tourism- stage to provide special entry conditions for Cl) What are the reasons for the recent Queenslanders who mav decide to enter decision to impose a licensing system of ,the fishery for the first· time at some per­ all prawn trawlers? iod in the future. (2) If the reason was the protection of the resource, could it have been controlled 37. DANGEROUS SWIMMING-POOL SALT by closing certain areas to allow regenera­ CHLORINATORS tion, and does that control occur already? Mr. Shaw, pursuant to notice, asked the (3) On what date was that policy Minister for Mines, Energy and Police- introduced? With reference to reports some months (4) Was the licence policy introduced ago drawing attention to explosions in without warning? automatic swimming-pool chlorinators- ( 5) Is an eff eel of the policy the creation Cl) Is he aware that there has been of a vfry valuable and highly sought after another explosion in this type of equip­ windfall asset in the licence? ment and that hundreds of Queenslanders are unknowingly risking injury from (6) Could the policy be modified to exploding salt chlorinators? accommodate persons who are long-term residents of Queensland and persons associ­ (2) As this danger could be simply and ated with the industry, for example, deck­ cheaply eliminated by proper installation hands, boat-builders, designers of boats procedures, will he take action to have and naval architects, who wish to acquire appropriate regulations introduced at least one licence? urgently? Questions Upon Notice [4 DECEMBER 1979} Questions Upon Notice 2169

Answers:- Between 1975 and 1977 the QCCA (1) I am aware of one explosion in an executed its responsibilities with the assist­ automatic swimming-pool chlorinator ance of a group of some 12 advis<;>rY earlier this year. I have no knowledge of teachers drawn from the State teachmg any further incidents of this type. Investi­ service. With the disbandment of the g3Jtions carried out at the time indicated QCCA and the advisory service in 1978, that the apparatus may have been misused. responsiblity for school-based programmes If the transformer /rectifier portion of the of alcohol and drug education reverted to unit is operated separately from the filter the Department of Education, such pro­ pump, there can be a build-up of hydrogen grammes being basically integral com­ and oxygen which does constitute an ponents of a comprehensive health explosive mixture. education programme. (2) The units are normally installed cor­ With the appointment of a Co-ordinator rectly and, provided there is no unauthor­ of Alcohol and Drug Programmes and two ised · interference with the connections, alcohol and drug advisory staff in 1979, there should be no hazard. Under the cir­ the department's approach has been cumstances; no additional regulations are re-structured, and alcohol and drug educa­ necessary. tion will be conducted in a number of sub­ ject areas on a school-based programme approach rather than centred on one 38. SCHOOL PROGRAMMES TO EDUCATE subject. STUDENTS AGAINST DRUG ABUSE (2) Yes. The natur~ and efficacy ?f Mr. Shaw, pursuant to notice, asked the Minister for Education- ,alcohol and drug educatwn programmes m Queensland schools was studied as part ( I) What specific programmes have two of the 1974-75 research study co,n­ been introduced in Queensland schools to ducted by my department and c<;>m~Is­ educate students on the important issue sioned by the Queensland Co-ordmatmg of abuse and illegal use of drugs, and Committee on Alcoholism and the Queens­ when were they introduced? land Health Education Council. These pro­ (2) Has any assessment been made of grammes were ,the alcohol education p_ro­ the effectiveness of such programmes? gramme based in the Alcohol EducatJ~:m (3) What training is given to trainee KJit prepared by the Queensla~d Co-ordm­ or student teachers and the teaching pro­ ating Committee on Alcohohsm (QCCA fession generally to enable them to par­ 1974) and the drug education programme ticipate in such programmes and to cope based on the Drug Education Guide pre­ with the drug problem as it relates to pared by the Queensland Health Educa­ school communities? tion Council (QHEC 1972). . Both programmes were in 1974 and were mform­ (4) What role does the Health Educa­ ation-oriented programmes, although there tion Council play in school programmes? was an increasing emphasis on values Answers:- education in the Drug Education Guide for the upper years of schooling. This second (1) Two bodies have been largely respons­ report of the study has not ~et been p~b­ ible for alcohol and drug education in this State, namely, lished as a consensus on the mterpretatJon of the findings has not been reached by (a) from 1963 to 1977, the Queens­ the Departments of Education and Health. land Co-ordinating Committee on Alco­ holism (QCCA); The department recently obtained for (b) from 1970 to 1977, the Queens­ some three months the consultant services land Health Educat,ion Council Drug of Professor Gerald Globetti of Alabama, Education Section (QHEC). a world authority in the field of alcohol and drug educat,ion. Dr. Globetti, who Both bodies have, however, now ceased had previously assisted in setti.ng UJ? the to exist as independent agencies. The QCCA programme in 1970, assisted. m an QHEC has been incorporated within the evaluation of previous efforts and m t~e Division of Health Education and Informa­ re-determination of the department's phil­ tion of the Department of Health, and osophy of approach, goals and priori.ties the communitv-oriented funct,ions of the crn relation to alcohol and drug educatwn. QCCA have also passed to the Department of Health. (3) Little or no training in relation to The office of the QCCA has been the drug problems as they relate to the school departmental function through which alco­ community is currently giv.en to teac~e:s­ hol education services and programme have in-training. However, cons1derable activity been planned and conducted. In the decade has been generated recently through in­ 1964-1974 the approach, which was State­ service programmes for teachers. wide, was recognised as a pace-setter and In 1978, the Curriculum Branch the innovative efforts attracted considerable developed an Alcohol Education Resource attention from interstate and overseas Package for secondary schools. In 1979, educational authorities and agencies spec­ resource teachers from each region were ially concerned with prevention of alcohol specially trained to promote the package problems. in Government and non-Government 2170 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

schools. Assisted by two alcohol and drug the Industrial Conciliation and Arbitration eduoat,ion advisory teachers, they con­ Commission by depriving the community of ducted seminars throughout the State for an essential service. They do not identify teacher librarians, and teachers of health, themselves, but aHempt to hide behind a English, home economics, cit~zenship and cloak of secrecy and hold the community to science. The seminars were necessary to ransom. They send others into the firing­ introduce the new materials and the possi­ line to do their dirty work and they skulk bilities of their use in subject areas other in the darkness, directing opemtions. than health and to the concept of respons­ For the information of honourable mem­ ible decis,ions about drinking. bers who are interested, these faceless men In 1980, the programme will be extended are: to education about drugs other than alco­ Mr. Kevin Byrne, of the Municipal hol. Officers' Association; Mr. Bill Stone, of (4) As I have previously pointed out, the the F.E.D. & F.A.; Mr. Ozzie Vaughan, Health Education Council no longer exists of the Amalgamated Me,tal Workers' & as such. The precise role of the Division Shipwrights' Union; Mr. Bill Stewart, of the of Health Education and Information, tinto Federated Ironworkers' Association; Mr. which the council was incorporated late in Gordon Bess, of the Vehicle Builders 1977, in relation to alcohol and drug pro­ Union; Mr. Fred Whitby, Secretary of the grammes in Government schools at least, Trades and Labor Council; Mr. John has yet to be defined by further consulta­ Thompson, of the Electrical Trades Union. tions between .the Departments of Health and Education. Mr. Neal Kane was also heavily involved behind the scenes, but at the present time Further information on the matter at this he is overseas-quite appropriately-in Russia. time should be addressed to my colleague Those are the men who have pulled the the Honourable the Minister for Health. strings and pulled the switches, thereby Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The time allotted causing the black-outs that we now have to for questions has now expired. The questions contend with. remaining unanswered will appear on In view of the Opposition's affiliations tomorrow's Notices of Questions. with the E.T.U., it is not difficult to under­ stand why the strikers enjoy the support of Opposition members. Mr. Warburton, Mr. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDERS Vaughan, Mr. Burns and Mr. Houston are all members of the E.T.U. In fact, Mr. STRIKE IN ELECTRICITY INDUSTRY Warburton and Mr. Vaughan were formerly Hon. J. BJELKE-PETERSEN (Barambah E.T.U. organisers. Mr. Burns and Mr. Houston were former Leaders of the Opposi­ ~Premier), by leave, without notice: I move- tion. All of them are wrapped up in this whole business. They are influenced and "Tha't so much of the Standing Orders directed by their E.T.U. masters. be suspended as would otherwise prevent the debating of a matter of urgent public As I was saying, these faceless men send importance." others into the firing-line to do their dirty Motion agreed to. work. They attempt to hide in the darkness while directing operations. These faceless men, the Trades Hall spokesmen, the Labor STRIKE IN ELECTRICITY INDUSTRY P'arty and those workers who have meekly 'followed directions to bring about chaos Hon. J. BJELKE-PETERSEN (Barambah through this senseless power strike have ~Premier) (12.1 p.m.): I move- shown a blatant contempt and disregard for "That all members of this House, the la\\, for the whole community and for representing all Queenslanders, deplore the the normal process of arbitration. misuse of indu!>trial power and the losses, The radical leaders of the power industry hardship, personal deprivations, and incon­ unions and their friends have turned back venience caused to the whole community the clock, using Stone Age tactics to hurt by the current unnecessary and unwar­ as many innocent people as possible. They ranted strike action by the electricity supply have done this to achieve their own selfish unions, and call on all unions concerned end. The people whom they are hurting are to end their strike immedia,tely." their fellow workers, women, children, Today we see the people of Queensland being pa,tients in hospitals, old people in need of bludgeoned and blackmailed by the Labor care, and babies. The safety, well-being and movement's revolutionary council-six face­ care of all those people have been ignored. less men who decided to plunge the State Every single member of the Opposition sup­ into darkness and back into the indus,trial ports the strikers. Not one of them has Dark Ages. spoken out against the strike. These men, who are aided and abetted by No doubt Opposition members ~will try to members of the Labor Party and members get out from under by saying that they opposite, have set out deliberately to bull­ suppor,t the 35-hour week, and that if we doze the State Electricity Commission and would grant a 35-hour week we would be Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2171 out of trouble. That is the irresponsible way stand. It is right that the public should in which Opposition members will act. They know where Labor Party members stand, will have some method or scheme by which and which side Labor members are on. they will try to slip from underneath. Never Labor Party members will not be on the once have we heard them come out on the side of the people, whom they always claim side of the public. They have never had to support. They will be on the side of the the courage, determination or the sympathy mill.tant union leaders, the six faceless within them to support the community as a men. Instead of st,anding by the community whole. It is disgusting to think that •they which elected them, Op]Yosition members will are elected by Queenslanders to represent be standing side by side, shoulder to shoulder, their interests. with the faceless six an:d their Trades Hall lieutenants. After this debate, the House Mr. R . .J. Gibbs: Get back to your notes will see quite clearly where they stand. and stop stuttering. The Government initiated this action this Mr. B.JELKE-PETERSEN: I should think morning to draw the attention of the House that the honourable member :for Wolston, and of Opposition members to the serious­ as a comparatively new member, would at ness of the situation; to the unbelievable least be mindful of the people who put fact that there are men in the community, him 1where he is. However, he is very men whom Opposition members support, who much under the influence of certain peo]Yle. are prepared to act like thugs and highway Opposition members are not prepared to robbers by setting upon the community to recommend, or say openly to their colleagues, gain some monetary benefit and greater that they should revert to the normal arbitra­ power for themselves. tion processes. The radical leaders of the The Trades and Labor Council secretary power industry unions and their friends (Mr. Fred Whitby) gave a hint in "The have certainly turned the dock back. Few Courier~Mail" this morning that anyone people in the community have been left who attempted to break the strike might not untouched by this unnecessary, unwarranted, have a job. If we can get ha}f an oppor­ flagrant abuse of power that is supported tunity under the new Act to substantiate by Opposition members, and is a pointless such an attitude, I assure .rank-and-file mem­ exercise of indust·rial muscle. bers of the union that the Government will The power union leaders, their Trades initiate action against people who threaten Hall backers (with members of the A.L.P. others. That is nothing less than standover supporting them) have sh'own a completely tactics and in:dustrial thuggery. contemptible disregard for the interests of The power unions have demanded the right the community. to do what they like, while expecting the Government and the community to do noth­ Mr. Kruger: You've been ·in Government ing in reply-to take no retaliatory action for 22 years, and things are getting worse. or to seek no redress on behalf of the Mr. SPEAKER: Order! community. Mr. Casey will be supporting them in their stand and their attitude. He Mr. B.JELKE-PETERSEN: I could quite •will not be saying that the Government ought easily answer the statement that things are to take •action against them. He will say getting worse. Things must get worse when that they should be let off scot-free, that they people similar to Opposition members are in should be allowed to raid the community and power and are supported by their A.L.P. that they be allowed to take the disastrous colle>agues in this Parliament. They are action that they are taking today. supporting and abetting them. It is bad The Leader of the Opposition says that the enough when peo]Yle outside act in this way, Government should engage in further dis­ but when members of Parliament back, cussions. Instead of saying that the attitude support and encourage them, it is worse. We of the unions is futile and wicked, he says will see shortly how Opposition members that we should have more discussions, when vote on the motion. talks have already failed to produce the What a wonderful Christmas present for results which the unions demand and when so many people of Queensland! Hundreds the Industrial Commission hearing of the of thousands of doUars-millions of dollars claims has been guaranteed. What more can -are being lost by the community so that we do? The way is open, the way is prepared, some people may benefit in a monetary way. for the Industrial Commission to hear the What a disgusting state of affairs that some matter. The unions completely disregard the members of this Parliament will do every­ wishes or the instructions of the commission thing in their power to excuse what is being and go their own way. done-to justify the action that the unions The Opposition Leader has once again have ·taken. I am sure that not one Opposi­ failed to speak up for the community. That tion member will reprimand them for what has come out crystal clear in the whole they are doing to the community. debate on this matter. The people whom we And so I ask: Where do Opposition mem­ all represent in this House are being unneces­ bers stand on this? I know where they sarily hurt. Not one member of the Opposi­ stand, and it is only right that the public tion has spoken up in their favour. Those should know. After this debate the people members will come up with some airy-fairy will be able to see quite clearly where they talk to try to overcome this problem, such as 2172 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry g1vmg shorter hours to these men at extra about the other thousands of workers through­ cost. That would put people out of work and out the State who have been inconvenienced cause chaos in the community. But that does by the strike and have lost money or their not concern Opposition members. Their atti­ jobs because of it? tude is to give way and to let the unions have what they want, irrespective of the Those people opposite have not come consequences. out and condemned the strike. They have not adopted any attitude or taken any Mr. Casey supports those who cause dis­ action other than to support the strike. Mr. ruption and loss. He says that the Govern­ Casey and his blackmailing friends in the ment and the community should give in to trade union movement are not concerned the standover tactics of these people. We will in the slightest about the plight of the people not give in to these standO\ .::r tactics. of this State. They are not concerned that there has not been a vote taken by the work­ There is no way in the world that the ers in this whole operation. The matter was Government \\ill adopt the Opposition's atti­ decided overnight without any consultation tude. We will act in the best interests of the with the workers. community. The Government is firm in its resolve that industrial matters must go ulti­ The Leader of the Opposition is one of mately to the Industrial Commission. That is those who support this strike, and he supports the only way in which such matters can be it very strongly. I am sure that I speak for resolved. Out of all this, there may be a most honourable members of this House, and possibility of the formation of a new union for the vast majority of people in the general which might ajopt a new attitude and take community, when I call on all the unions different action. concerned to end this unnecessary, unwar­ ranted and indeed v icked strike action, Mr. Jones: You'd put Wiley Fancher in and to end it immediately. We have appealed charge. to the members of the unions. I know that many in the union movement are deeply con­ Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: If the honour­ cerned about this matter. Many union mem­ able member were in charge, he would muck bers have returned to work, and we con­ it up. That is quite sure. gratulate them for that. They are prepared The Government will not be bulldozed into to work. Of course, in view of the decision giving way on this or any other issue and made by their union leaders, the six faceless allowing the community to be blackmailed men, a key section is perhaps unable to and bruised. It is becoming increasingly clear return to work. Those union members are that, in this State, there is a powerful and in a fix. We are concerned, as obviously they vocal minority within the trade union move­ must be. I can only appeal to them to adopt ment and its leadership, which is attempting a more positive attitude within their own to use that movement for radical political union and not let their leaders, with the purposes rather than for industrial ends. In support of the A.L.P., force them into the this regard, those persons are quite irrespons­ situation in \',hi eh thev and we as a Gov­ ible in their attitude to the laws of the land. ernment find ourselves." The current electricity strike has become ·we, as a Gtwernment, have met a number nothing more than a ploy-it is just kite­ of times. We have sought not to be pro­ flying-to gain increased wages by receiving vocative. We have sought to be positive i:1 the same money for less work, and to get our attitude. We have not directed any more overtime. action at the unions in a \vay that we could through the essential services legislation. Of Mr. Fraw!ey: They want 48 hours' pay for course, that it not to say that, should the 35 hours' work. situation continue, or develop, the Govern­ ment will not take such action. Cabinet has Mr. BJEJLKE-PETERSEN: They do want met on this matter. and it will meet again on 48 hours' pay for 35 hours' work. I have it later today and again tonight. In the mean­ suggested that they take 35 hours' pay for time, I deplore what has happened. I invite a 35-hour week and allow the other 12 per all honourable members on this side of the cent to go to other people so that they can House, and indeed on the Opposition side, get a job. Again honourable members oppo­ to state exactly where they stand on this site, who are smiling and laughing, will say very volatile issue that has resulted in so that that is ridiculous and that they will not much disaster and heartbreak for so many go along with it. They are not concerned people. about this problem. The Opposition Leader has clearlv come out Hon. L. R. EDWARDS (Ipswich-Deputy in favour of bypassing arbitratio;_. He no Premier and Treasurer) (12.17 p.m.): I longer has any interest in the processes of second the motion moved by the Premier, arbitration. That is quite obvious. Instead, which reads- he is supporting the unions in their stand. "That all members of this House, repre­ He supports the law of the jungle. He senting all Queenslanders, deplore the mis­ supports already highly paid workers who seek use of industrial power and the losses, to become th-e princes of the work-force by hardship, personal deprivations, and incon­ making paupers of the consumers. What venience caused to the whole community Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979) Strike in Electricity Industry 2173

by the current unnecessary and unwar­ The union movement then decided that it ranted strike action by the electricity sup­ wanted total information and was not pre­ ply unions, and oall on aJl unions con­ pared to negotiate any further. How could cerned to end their strike immediately." the State Electricity Commission negotiate with a gun held at its head? It was impos­ In seconding this motion that the Premier sible for the State Electricity Commission has moved on behalf of the Government, I to undertake to give any further information wish to draw to the attention of the people to the Industrial Commission at that stage. of Queensland the very serious situation In its wisdom the State Electricity Com­ in which the Government, and indeed the mission decided to Jet the matter go to community, finds itself today. There is a arbitration. The Government has repeatedly situation in Queensland that is causing grave placed on record that it would accept the concern to any thinking Queenslander. This result of arbitration. When the Government position has been brought about by the act­ was threatened with industrial disputtation ion of a small number of people who have some months ago, the Minister for Mines, been prepar;;d to take upon themselves the Energy and Police and I made a public com­ decision-making of the trade union move­ mitment on behalf of the Government that ment, without referral to the membership it would abide by any decision of the Indus­ of the trade unions involved. Over the l'ast trial Commission or the Industrial Court in couple of years-- regard to this matter. That commitment Olf the Government still stands. Opposition Members interjected. I wish to make it quite clear that, now that arbitration has commenced, action has Dr. EDWARDS: Honourable members been taken by these trade union leaders to opposite run to the defence of the trade bring the industry to a sttandstill. This union leaders. They know full well that morning we read in the Press of the six no vote has been taken over the last few .faceless men. I do not know about those days. Many union members have rung me particular people, but I do know that this today and indicated that they did not even decision was made over the week-end with­ know a strike was being held until they pre­ out referral to the members of the trade sented themselves for work. Others received unions. notification an hour before the strike was Mr. Davis: Rubbish! to take place. The member for Sandgate and the member Dr. EDWARDS: It is not rubbish; it is for Nu<;Jgee have said that a vote was taken. absolutely true. The honourable member Some time ago a decision was taken which for Brisbane Central would not even know left the matter in the hands of th~ trade woot day Olf the week it was, let alone ~mion .movement leaders to act in the way whether it is rubbish or not. m which they thought it was necessary to Let me make it quite clear that a number act. ?ut that .decision did not give them of the trade union members involved in this the nght to bnng this State into the situa­ industry have said that they knew nothing tion where all the services have stopped. about the union leaders' decision until after I~ gave them the opportunity to act respon­ the strike was called. Some even thought that Sibly, but they have acted irresponsibly, and the strike was to begin at midnight last they stand condemned by this Parliament night. That is an indication of how much for the situation in this State today. Anv infonnation the trade union leaders gave to member of this Parliament who does not their members in the work-force. sll:pport this motion stands condemned, along As a result of the unilateral action of the With those trade union leaders. union leaders, without reference of recent Let me speak tabout the history of the date to their membership, the community has trade union movement. For the last couple been brought to ra standstill. There is incon­ of years there have been threats from certain venience; there is loss of production; there members of the Electrkal Trades Uni·on is loss Olf salary to those people who have within the leadership of the movement. Trade wanted to go to work. There is also dis­ union leaders have tried to provoke situations comfort to old people, suffering and road to cause concern within the industry. At accidents. The cause of ail those disabilities last they bave stumbled upon the situation must be totally laid at the feet of those that could, in their opinion, create a division people who initiated this strike action. within the community and rwithin the industry I agree with the Premier when he says -the 35-hour week. Some weeks ago they that the Opposition stands condemned, as said they wanted negotiation, and the Gov­ do the trade union leaders. I will say more ernment said that it would be prepared to about that in a moment. I believe that every allow this rissue to be discussed within the thinking Queenslander must protest at the Industrial Conciliation and Arbitration Com­ action taken by the trade union leadership mission~and discussed it was. Then the at this time. I believe that the total concern Industrial Commission decided to refer the being expressed by the community today matter to the Full Bench. The issue was supports the Government's actions. I wonder left for a few days and then it was referred if the Leader Olf the Opposition is prepared back to the Industvial Commission for to identify himself and his party with this negotiation. motion, which any sensible member of 81365-74 2174 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

Parliament who truly represents his electornte in this Parliament today sitting on the must support, when it ,is put to the vote Opposition benches would like to see society later today. break down. Some trade union leaders Where does the Leader of the Opposition would like to bring anarchy into our com­ and the Labor Party stand on this particular munity. If proof of that is needed, one matter? As usual they are sitting on the has only to look at those countries in which fence. As usual they are afraid to speak there is no longer respect for the rule of law on trade union matters. What is the policy and of democracy. of the Labor Party when disputation such as Today a small group of trade union leaders this current matter confronts the people of have themselves decided that they no longer Queensland? Where are the rights and want to comply with the rules of society. liberties of thousands of Queenslanders who They no longer want to comply with the have been inconvenienced as a result of rules of responsible trade union activity. this unilateral action? They have decided that they want to act We see the hypocrisy of the Labor Party by their own set of rules and guide-lines, and the Leader of the Opposition, who has completely oblivious to any effect their said that he believes that the dispute should actions might have upon the community. be settled by the Industrial Commission. What would happen if the whole of the Well, let the trade union movement stay in community decided to see these things the Industrial Commission and let the matter broken down within society? The trade be settled. But, of course, all the Opposition union leaders have acted irresponsibly. Those wants is to cause more conflict and more responsible trade union members who are provocation within the community. The concerned about the future of their industry, threats of blackmail made by a few militant and the future of the community, are union leaders against the members of the ashamed of the trade union leaders who have trade union movement have brought a great initiated and promulgated this strike action. day of disgrace to Queensland. It is a very difficult industry for which to I believe that the majority of trade unionists within our community are respons­ legislate on trade union activi~ies: Let. me say again, as I have already smd m previous ible people. Let me repeat that: the majority debate in this Parliament, that it is not of trade unionists within our community are possible to legislate for industrial respons­ responsible. However, at present they are ibility. It is not possible to legislate to being overwhelmed by the opinion given by bning responsibility into the hearts and a very small number who are prepared to souls of those people controlling the trade break down our society, to break down ,the union movement. This must be the respons­ rules of responsibility and to give to our ibility of sensible, 'thinking Queenslanders. society chaos, anarchy, discomfort and suffer­ A small number of people is holding to ing. ransom the State of Queensland. I feel very If we as a community and as a Government sad that the day has come in the history are prepared to accept this, then we are of our State when the people see the Leader failing in our responsibility. If the Opposition of the Opposition not prepared to declare dares to vote against this motion, it, too, himself in line with the correct motives of will share in the irresponsibility of this responsible people in this Parliament. action. The time for political point-scoring The people of Queensland recognise the has ceased. The Leader of the Opposition long-term implications of the actions of a must identify himself either with this motion small group of trade unionists. These actions or with that part of the trade union move­ could have an enormous effect upon the ment that has acted so irresponsibly today. whole of our society. The divisions and We want to see peace returned to our communication breakdowns that result from community. We want to see this industry their actions compel us to oall upon the continue, as it did for many years, without Opposition to declare itself quite clearly. the disruptions that have occurred in recent times. I believe that that is possible. The Let us ask the public to ponder what Government has initiated certain moves that would happen if all people in the community it believes will bring democracy back to acted on the same principle as this small this society and to the area of responsibility number of trade union leaders. One of the in the electricity industry. prerequisites of civilisation, of living in a community, is that all people agree upo!'l a Finally, I say this: we live in an age in general set of rules, principles and standards which tremendous pressures are being put upon which they will act. Those principles upon the commun1ty. There are the pressures are determined by society and the rules are of the economy and the pressures of division made by the Parliament. All sections of the within society. The action taken by a few community-employers, public servants, people over the past few days has resulted trade unionists and professional people~are in divisions within our society that I believe expected to live by those rules for the benefit are unnecessary. The responsibility for the of the whole of society. discomfor,t and suffering that have been Without general compliance with those caused in the past few days lies fairly and rules, it would be impossible for society to squarely on the shoulders of the union operate. There is no doubt that some people leaders. They have been responsible for the Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2175

injustices that have been perpetrated on From the number of conferences that were both the community generally and the respon­ held and the number of attempts at concili­ sible trade unionists in our society. ation that were made before Commissioner Gibson, one thing came through loud and I call upon the Opposition to identify itself clear-that the breakdown was the result of with the Government's concern, but I expect the refusal by the State Electricity Com­ that honourable members opposite will play mission to provide the information required, politics and ,talk about everything except not by the unions but by the commission the meat of the subject. I challenge them itse1f. The dispute went back to t!he FuH to tell us where they stand. Bench of the Industrial Commission and was then again referred to a single commissioner Mr. CASEY (Mackay-Leader of the for the purpose of obtaining information. Opposition) (12.31 p.m.): There are two sides It was not forthcoming from the State Elec­ to every story. Unfortunately, the Gove:m­ tricity Commission. The reason for that was ment has put forward a motion designed that months ago, even before the matter deliberately to try to hoodwink the public went before the Industrial Commission, the of Queensland and convince the people that Premier laid the ground rules in relation to there is only one side to ,the dispute now this matter and stated that it was not nego­ occurring. tiable. That attitude became the attitude of the State Electricity Commission. One point that has not been mentioned to date by the Government, the media, the What were the questions asked by the Industrial Commission, or anyone else, and unions? They were as follows:- one that ~Stands out, is the political interfer­ (1) What additional cost would the ence of the Government, especia11y of the industry consider a reasonable cost in Premier of Queensland, in the power dispute. reducing the working hours to 35 a week The political interference of the Premier is, worked over a nine-day fortnight? of course, par for ,the course and follows Is that an unreasonable question for the union his record and the form that he has shown to ask? Was it unreasonable for the union over a long period in this State. It is further to request that information before pursuing evidence of the truth of the stories that have its case before the Industrial Commission? I come to us over ,the years of his interference stress the term "reasonable cost". There was in industrial matters. nothing wrong with that question whatever. The second line of the motion moved by (2) If the unions are able to convince the Premier this morning mentions "misuse the industry that the cost of implementing of industrial power". Again, there are two reduced working hours and a nine-day fort­ sides to the story. In this instance, the key night can be contained within the industry's to the dispute is ,to be found in the misuse estimation of a reasonable cost, will the of political power by the Premier and the industry agree to the unions' claim? Cabinet of this State. I have sa.id ,time and The unions sought from the industry a time again, both in this Chamber and out­ guarantee in return for an undertaking by side in the community, that the big stick the unions that they would contain any will not solve any industrial dispute, that increased costs. the use of the big stick tends only to (3) Will the industry supply details of aggravate a dispute. Disputes can be solved industry classifications, wage rates and work only by the parties concerned sitting round a locations for each of the suggested 1,074 table and making a co-operative effott to additional employees on a board-by-board find a solution. They wiH not be solved by breakdown, together with details of costs tihe use of the big stick, whether by the associated with each additional employee? unions, the employers or the Government. lts use will only create industrial insanity, That question was the most important of all, and probably that is the situation that is and again it amounted to a reasonable request. being reached in Queensland in the present Similar requests are made in other matters dispute. that come before the Industrial Commission. It followed the normal procedure in indus­ At one stage, the Leader of the Liberal trial relations. However, what was the point Party in this Chamber said that he would in making the request? The State Electricity endeavour to trace the history of the dispute. Commission refused point-blank to give the I am afraid that he did not go very far specific information that was sought. into ,that history before becoming side­ The unions' requests were reasonable. They tracked. The history of the dispute shows followed the normal guide-lines set down for that it began before the Full Bench of the the attempted settlement of any industrial Industrial Commission of this State. What dispute that comes before the Industrial Con­ happened? Because of the ,type of discussion ciliation and Arbitration Commission. In that took place and the type of argument other words, the unions were doing the that was put forward, the Fu11 Bench of the normal thing. The unreasonableness was on Commission decided that it would refer the the part not of the unions but of the State matter to a single industrial commissioner. It Electricity Commission. Before the Industrial was referred to Commissioner Gibson, who Commission it refused point-blank to provide convened conferences. the information. 2176 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

On 28 November, only last week, it was Kane, the State Secretary of the Electrical pointed out before the Full Bench of the Trades Union, the ma,n whom the Premier Industrial Commission that there were great tried to malign this morning, said, as one discrepancies in the information provided by of the key spokesmen for the unions- the State Electricity Commission and also ". . . whilst the claims have been for between the information presented by it and a 35 hour week there have been methods its annual reports, which are presented to of introducing it over various pe~iods of Parliament. The unions were able to see time. So long as the pl'inciple oan be immediately that the State Electricity Com­ established, it is a matter of the parties mission was endeavouring to mislead them then determining how it will be introduced, and also to mislead the Industrial Commission over what period of time the implementa­ and, . furthermore, the people of Queensland. 'tion of the p~inciple would take place." It misrepresented the position concerning the cost of implementing a 35-hour week and a That is the union's main point of argument nine-day fortnight. in having this matter determined by con­ One thing that is obvious is that somewhere oilkltion. along the line there has been political inter­ :The unions have made it quite clear that ference in these industrial relations. We have they do not wish to force the electricity seen a remarkable difference between the industry into imi)lementing a 35-hour week attitude of the State Electricity Commissioner and a nine-day fortnight immediately. They and that of the South East Queensland Elec­ want the principle adopted in exactly the !ricity Bo.ar~. In it~ annual report, at page 23, same way as it has been adopted and is It says this m relatwn to industrial relations- opemting in so many other States. Their "The Board takes the view tbat resolution whole pmpose was to have guide-lines laid of industrial issues with SEQEB should down properly by sane, sensible men siUing not be contested through direct industrial round a table working out exactly how it action where ~urtailment of supply will could be done. It was clear from the outset fo.llo~. Industn~l matters which lie solely of this dispute that the unions were not Withm SEQEB s operations should be demanding an immediate 35-hour week. They resolved by negotiation if possible with are very keen to have the matter determined r~course to arbitration if and when n~gotia­ by conciliation~by agreement between the twn has been exhausted." two major parties-;;o that it can 'be imple­ '!he attitude that is clearly expressed there mented progressively. IS that preference and priority should be At least the Minister for Labour Relations resolved by negotiation if possible. That is knows that 'anbitration decides a matter on what the unions sought to do and their a hard-and-fast basis, whereas conciliation is actions are in keeping with the thoughts a completely different method of dealing with expr.essed by a board that represents a major industrial relations. Conciliation fadlitates portion of the electricity industry in this a much smoother 'transition from one set of State.. '!he attitu.de. expressed by the State rules to another over a certain period, with E_lectncity CommiSSion, of course, is entirelv agreement being reached on the guide-lines different. - to the sa,tisfaction, more importantly, of . Another interesting aspect of this repor.t both par.ties and, in this case, the consumers IS to be seen on page 19, where it is stated of Queensland. that last year S.E.Q.E.B. made a profit of Another reason why a decision must be $26,200,000. Despite that increased profit made on an industry basis concerns the tariffs increased by 10 per cent from 1 July huge increase in productivity of the power 1979. industry. Instead of boring honoumble mem­ Today, the Premier told us that the reasons bers ,with figures, I ask them to look at past why the unions want certain information annual reports of ,the State Electl'icity ~hould J:'e given. The unions sought the Commission. mfo~matw_n but the State Electricity Com­ miSSIOn did not give reasons for increasing Mr. McKechnie: Pass it on to the com­ tariffs by 10 per cent. The people of the munity. State were not told that, for a start, S.E.Q.E.B. made a profit of $26 200 000 and Mr. CASEY: The Government responded had rpaid for all capital woclcs 'out of to that increased productivity by increasing revenue____,without the use of loan funds! tariffs by 10 per cent, without giving the When we talk about the problems of the consumers any reason for doing so. consumers, surely we should recognise that The other matter fm- consideration is the they are entitled to know why, in the light technological change tha:t has taken place of such a huge profit, it was necessary to in the industry. Any honourable member increase tariffs by 10 per cent. who has worked in an industry where tech­ Another very interesting rpoint that has nological change has taken place knorws the not been referred to in the House todav concern that workers in that industry have or in the media, and which the people of for their families and their homes-- Queensland should recognise as one of the Dr. Lockwoocl interjected. main points in the dispute, relates to a passage in the transcript of ,the case heard Mr. CASEY: Their homes, which is the by Mr. Gibson on 17 July 1979. Mr. Neal only major investment they have. Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2177

Dr. Lockwood interjected. and turn it into a political issue, the Govern­ ment should be using the House for a differ­ Mr. SPEA:KJER: Order! ent purpose. For that reason, on behalf of the Opposition, I move the following amend­ Mr. CASEY: They fear that they may be ment to the m

to the United Graziers' Association or to telephone convers,ation with the Pr.emier, with any union of employers as to what it should his old, antiquated ideas, or through the do. That is quite clearly the basis of the files of "The Courier-Mail" or "Telegraph". whole of the industrial legislation in Queens­ However, if they were to read the full land. Governments that want to make a transcript they would get a different view political football out of evel'ything are not altogether. The rank and file union mem· able to do so under the law of this State. bers took a hard line point of view because Unfortunately, that is what this Govern­ the Premier had publicly done the same ment is doing. in the first place. It was the ·Premier who laid down the There is now no further room in this guide-lines in this matter. He did that long dispute for emotional hard lines, and that before the commission began negotiations, is what the motion before this House is or before anything was commenced in the today. It is negative; it is emotional in its commission. Long before any evidence had content; and it is certainly hard line in its been submitted to the commission, the expression. The Premier has got onto the Premier quite clearlCY said, "They can t1alk bandwagon and spoken a lot of nonsense about it until they are blue in the face. about the six faceless men who, it is claimed, We won't give them a 35-hour week ever." brought about the current situation. That The State Electricity Commissioner went type of talk may have worked 30 years before the commission and followed the ago, but it will not work today. Those Premier's example. He just sat hack and persons are well known to the Industrial said, ' 1It is not going to be negotiated, and Commission and there has been no endeavour that is it." Who is the perpetrator of the whatsoever by any of those men to hide. one-sidedness of this dispute? It is none However, the Essential Services Act, passed other than the State Electricity Commis­ by this Government in another attempt to sioner. Perhaps, in doing the bidding of the use its big stick, has meant that those men P·remier of this State, he is trying 1o will not declare their names. ingratiate himself, ·because it was only last year that the Premier dedared him to be Of course, it is no wonder that the Prem­ untrustworthy and incompetent in regard ier wants to go back 30 years in his methods to the Tarong Power Station issue. Thrut was of operation. He stands alone in this Par­ the Premier's declaration about State liament as the only one who opposed the Electrioiey Chmmissioner Murray. Commis­ introduction of the 40-hour week, something sioner Murray is now just another political that is now enjoyed by every worker in this stooge of the Government, doing the bidding State. If one researched the speeches made of the Premier. He said straight out, "Not by the Premier in the Parliament over the negotiable", despite the fact that power years one would find that he is the one workers in most other States of Australia who opposed workers' compensation for the have this particular provision and that power workers of Queensland; and that he is the workers in the others are moving towards one who opposed the introduction of long getting it. They have obtained this provision service leave. That, too, is now enjoyed by through negotiations :with the power industry. almost all Queenslanders. He also opposed improvements in the superannuation scheme Another very interesting and important for public servants in this State. point to ,be considered in this matter is that, despite the absolute refusal of the negotiators They are examples of his attitude to of the State Electricity Commission to hear industrial relations. So far as he is con­ anything whatsoever from the unions on cerned, any benefit that might go to an this issue, those negotiators have enjoyed a ordinary worker is no good. However, he is 36;!--hour week for the whole of their work­ quite happy to do all he can to help multi­ ing lives in the Public Service of this State. national companies and wealthy corporations. Yet, at the bidding of this Government, they He has encouraged men such as Mr. Iwasaki are deliberately refusing to allow other to come to Queensland. A Press report workers to negotiate a shorter working week. of a few days ago stated that the people Goodness gracious me, how good they must in the tourist industry in Queensland are be! I believe that the statistics that have making a greater effort to get tourism off been asked for by the unions should now be the ground than Mr. Iwasaki has ever looked produced, not just for their sake and for like making. the sake of the Industrial Commission but The Essential Services Act is a classic for the sake of the public of this State. They example of the Premier's thinking. This are entitled to this information, as they are debate today is positive proof of the absolute the ones who have suffered the incon­ nonsense and ridiculousness that was spoken venience caused by this dispute. a month ago in this House when the Essential The decision in this matter is, and has Services legislation was introduced, because been, up to the rank and file members, if the Essential Services Act was as good as and they have voted on it. A reading of the Premier tried .to indicate, there would be the transcript of the hearing before the Full no need for this debate. Both he and the Bench of the Industrial Commission on rest of Cabinet know that the Essential 28 January reveals that the Industrial Com­ Services Act is an unworkable piece of mission also knew that. Unfortunately many legislation. members opposite prefer to do their research The Premier spoke of forming a new into industrial matters through either a union in an attempt to solve this problem. Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2179

When it comes down to knowing and under­ and the State Electricity Commission to take standing the thinking of the ordinary man a step to see what they can do to accept on the job, the ordinary employee who responsibility for solving this problem. That relies on a take-home pay packet to pro­ is the reason why we have put this amend­ vide the wherewithal for his wife and ment before the House. We believe negotia­ family, the Premier has absolutely no idea. tion to be the job of the Minister for Labour Other members of Cabinet have not, either, Relations. Of all in this House, he is the because for the past 10 years they have one who should be most concerned about introduced, one after the other, absolutely good industrial relations. It is his task useless amendments to industrial legislation. to obtain the figures that are required before They have been used purely for political calling together the relevant parties for mean­ propaganda at the time, in exactly the same ingful discussions. way as the Premier is endeavouring to use The Treasurer stated that the unions made this present motion today-merely as polit­ their decision over the week-end without any ical propaganda. further recourse to their members, and with­ When the Premier was speaking, a mem­ out a further vote of the members. I make ber referred to the number of hours that it quite clear, as a perusal of the transcripts people do and do not work. of all matters before the Industrial Com­ [Sit.ting suspended from 1 to 2.15 p.m.] mission would verify, that the union leaders had a clear indication from the rank-and-file Mr. SPEAKER: Order! Because of the members that there would be further indus­ trying and depressing conditions, I have trial action on this issue if the State Electric­ granted approval for the attendants to remove ity Commission continued with its pighead­ their coats if they so desire. edness and its refusal to give appropriate information to the Industrial Commission. Mr. CASEY: Mr. Speaker, I wish the The union leaders clearly indicated to the Government's industrial relations were as commission that that was their greatest con­ good as yours. cern; that they had already been directed by their rank and file about what they had to Prior to the luncheon recess I had referred do and what their line of action should be on to a comment that came, I think, from the this matter. However, the Government has Liberal Leader in relation to the number no real ~interest in delving into these things of hours worked and payment for hours. and finding out what is going on. This Members of the Government-and the Government's only real interest, desire and Premier particularly-should refrain from intention in this issue ·is to be provocative. referring to that matter. The Premier's It is attempting to cash ,in on an emotional pilot, who earns $25,000 a year, is a classic issue, one of great concern to all Queens­ example. If one averages the number of landers, for some type of political gain. hours flown by that aircraft, she receives her salary for nine hours' flying a week. As I said at the beginning of my speech, there are two sides to every question. There In Queensland today we see a senseless are two sides to every coin in the pocket deadlock, with employers refusing to negot­ of every member of this House. There are iate. !That is made evident by the transcript two sides to every story. Indeed, the other of a hearing before the Full Bench of the side of the story had not been put forward Industrial Court as recently as 28 November properly till I put ft before the House today. when the representative of the State Electric: ity Commission said, "This claim for a shorter The Opposition believes .that if Parliament working week is not negotiable." I emphasise is to become involved in this dogfight, the that: "not negotiable". How can there be Minister for Labour Relations should play proper conciliation in industrial matters in an important role, and I therefore commend this State when that is the deliberate attitude the amendment to the House. of the employer, reflecting, of course, the attitude of the Government? Is it any wonder Mr. HOUSTON (Bulimba) (2.21 p.m.): .that the unions are reluctant to go to arbi­ I second the amendment moved by the Lea­ tration? The Premier has already announced der of the Opposition. At the outset, Mr. the Government's findings, and he has been Speaker, let me say that of all strikes that supported by the Leader of the Liberal have taken place in the history of this land, Party (Dr. Edwards). this one will go down in the annals of this Assembly as the one that brought sanity All Queenslanders wish to see a fair and to the dress of members. I am sure, too, peaceful solution of this d:ispute. That is that you, Mr. Speaker, will be recorded the key to it: a peaceful settlement free of as the one who allowed members of this further political provocation. We see that Assembly to be reasonably dressed for the .type of political provocation in the motion State's climatic conditions, and I congratulate put before the House by the Premier. I have you for taking the action that you did. How­ spoken to the representatives of the unions ever, I regret that it required a strike on an involved in this dispute. They have given me an undertaking that there will be no entirely different matter to bring that about. more industrial unrest or disputation before I am sure that neither the standard of debate Christmas. There will be no more disruption nor the decorum of members will suffer to the public this year. If they are taking because of your decision. that attitude, at is up to the Government Government Members interjected. 2180 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The House will did the Government do? Last night, Cabinet come to order met and talked about the strike but failed to come up with a solution t? the J?roblems Mr. HOUSTON: If it had not been for that it helped create through 1ts seml-gov~~­ the strike, we would not have had the heat mental instrumentality, the State Blectnc1ty in the Chamber and Mr. Speaker would not Commission. This morning Cabinet met have agreed to a sensible standard of dress again. Suggestions were put forward con­ right from the word go. For years, the cerning the use of troops, the use of the women members of this Assembly have come police and the implementation of the pro­ into the Chamber dressed as they desired visions of the Essential Services Act. Other and, on most occasions, very attractively. I people and I said during the debate on that hope that the ruling will not change as legislation that it was nothing more than a industrial circumstances change. Let us ploy and could not work. The upshot was remain like this, particularly during the heat that the Cabinet meeting concluded without of the day, and carry out our duties in a decision being reached. Cabinet did comfort. not know where to go. It had created a So much for Nrat, Mr. Speaker. Let me monster, and did not know how to handle now get down to the nitty-gritty of the it. debate. The Government decided years ago Then the Premier got a brainwave. He that it was going to "take the trade unions on", in the words of the Premier, with the said, "Let's go into Parliament and try to show idea of using disputes as a political football the people of Queensland that we care, that for years to come. It has done that success­ we will achieve something." I ask: What will fully year after year. Every time an election this debate achieve? drew near, or every time problems arose Government members get up, beat their in the Government ranks, the Government chests, and say, "It is terrible that we have was able to stir up industrial trouble or, a strike." Of course it is terrible. No-one when a problem looked like developing, fan the flames. wants strikes. The workers themselves do not want strikes; but how far can people be Let us look at some of the headlines-not pushed? How far over the years has the all of them-going back as far as 1976. Government pushed people in the industrial Before a State election, we saw "Joh wants movement? The Government, having found a tough line with unions". Another one said no answer, came into Parliament and moved "Showdown on 'blackmai'l' ", and ,the articl~ this motion. The Opposition, on the other said, "The Premier yesterday declared war hand, has adopted a positive approach. We on 'union anarchy'." I reiterate that that have said, "Get the parties together." That was back in 1976. Another one said, "Bjelke is something the Government should have calls for troops to beat strikes." One could done ages ago. go through a whole host of them. An article that I have here said- The Government created a Labour Rela­ "It was time the Arbhration Commission tions portfolio, headed by the Minister for said 'no' to wage demands, the Premier Labour Relations. What is he supposed to (Mr. Bjelke-Petersen) said yesterday." be doing? I know that he sits in Parliament and that personally he is a nice fellow. But That was in 1977. In other words, the Prem­ what does he do in administering his port­ ier took it upon himself to try to direct folio? So far he has not entered this indus­ the Industrial Commission. trial debate. We have heard two Government Again in 1977, under the headline, "No speakers, the first of whom was the Premier. dole for sacked strikers", the Premier said Of course, it wasn't the Premier who intro­ that he wanted the dole refused to workers duced the Essential Services Bill. It is no sacked through union action-not just those good saying that the Minister will not have who were on strike, but anyone who happened time to speak. If this really were an indus­ to be out of work. That is the tough trial matter and not a political one, the line that has been developed. Minister for Labour Relations would have moved the motion. He should have told Let us look also at all the nonsense that the House what he and his Government have has taken place in recent months in relation attempted to do to bring about industrial to the Essential Ser¥ices Bill. The Govern­ peace. However, that is not the position. The ment introduced the Bill with the idea of Government is only trying to bring about saying, "There will be no more strikes industrial chaos. If it is unsuccessful in its now. We have fixed everything." Honourable attempt, it will stand firmly behind a body members will recall that the Essential Ser­ .that it has created. vices BiH was rushed through the House immediately after the last two-day power ,The electricity set-up in Queensland is strike. No reasons were given why that was the Government's creation. It is headed necessary; it was only to show the Govern­ by the State Electricity Commission. Talk ment's muscle. about faceless men in the unions! Who Now let me come right up to date. The really controls the State Electricity Commis­ Leader of the Opposition has gone through sion? various points relating to the actions of the unions and the Industrial Comm'ission. What Mr. Hartwig: Murray. Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2181

Mr. HOUSTON: Yes, he is the Electricity Mr. HOUSTON: That is right. Commissioner. Would the honourable m~m­ Mr. Miller: They were prepared to take ber try .to tell me that he alone is responsible for refusing to give to the unions the inform­ the 40 hours at a lower wage. ation that they require in order to present Mr. HOUSTON: They did. Will the their case? If he is, the Government should honourable member let me finish my speech. take positive action. It means, in effect, He can then get up and make his speech. that one man, not the union leaders, as claimed, is against the community. Mr. Miller: No, I can't. The Leader of the Opposition pointed Mr. HOUSTON: Can't the honourable out that the dispute arose from a desire of member make a speech? men and women to guarantee their security in the future in the belief that technology, Mr. Miller: I can't. computerisati~n and overall development. in Mr. HOUSTON: Has the honourable the electricity industry warranted a. r_eductJOn member been gagged? Now we are starting in working hours. The State Electnc1ty Com­ to get the story. No wonder Government mission has claimed that a reduction in back-benchers want to interject. We now working hours will cre~te a thousand. or more learn that the debate is to be kept in the jobs. Is there anythmg -:vrong w1t~ that? hands of the faceless hierarchy of the Wouldn't it be a great thmg for th1s State National and Liberal Parties. If that were if we could create another thousand jobs not so, the honourable member would be without causing any great financial problems? able to speak in this unlimited debate. The I have heard Ministers boast in this House honourable member can rise to speak if he about the Japanese taking over some major wants to, and I ask him to get up and make coal deposits and creatin~ 300 jobs. In ?rder his points. to give overseas compames an opportumty t? Mr. Miller: I'll try. establish themselves on the coalfields of this State the Government and the local authori­ Mr. HOUSTON: We will not stop the ties ~re paying out millions of dollars on honourable member getting up. If the gag the development of schools and roads and is applied, it will be applied by the Gov­ the provision of essential services. But ernment. the Government does not mind that. When The honourable member for Ithaca has at we asked about it we were told that 200 least worked in the industrial field. I am or 300 jobs would be created. I am not not arguing with his explanation. If I decrying the creation of those jobs, but were as old as he I could go back as far this on the words of the Electricity Commis­ as he can. But I cannot, and I will just sion'er is an opportunity to create over relate what hiSJtory tells me. 1,000 'jobs. However, the Government is not at all interested. In the years before the building workers got the 40-hour week agreed to by the On this occasion, the Government's employers-it did not come through legisla­ approach is the same as that adopted by ~he tion; the combined employers group agreed then Opposition .to the 40-hour week. With­ to it-there were many strikes. People in out retracing the history of the 40-hour week the industrial movement went on strike to or other matters concerning working try to persuade the Government of the day hours I think it is appropriate to recall and the employers that a 40-hour week was that the 40-hour week was introduced by a justified and in the interests of the State. Labor Government in 1947. At that time, Later on it proved to be in the State's the anti-Labor forces in Opposition argued interests. very strongly against it. They told the Gov­ For the honourable member's information, ernment of the day that it would break another industrial union got a 40-hour week, the State; that it could not work; that it for 44 hours' pay, a few weeks later. The would mean the sacking of workers and that coopers' union negotiated a 40-hour week, it would stifle industrial development. The without a drop in pay. Other unions followed then Opposition advanced every possible suit. Finally, in 1947, the industrial legis­ reason against the introduction of the 40-hour lation was passed. It is well to remember week, but the Government now boasts that that in 1947, 32 years ago, it was considered the 40-hour week is all right. When the that a 40-hour week was good for the State. Government came to power in 1957, it We should not forget that public servants endorsed-- and many workers in the electricity industry Mr. Miller: When the 40-hour week first wmk only 36! hours, while others work came in, what happened in the building even fewer hours. Many people in our trade? Wages were reduced because they community are working less than 40 hours wanted the 40-hour week. a week, so Government members should not think that we are talking about something Mr. HOUSTON: That is right. I am outlandish. Mark mv words: whether the not denying that. I am being completely Government likes it or not, unemployment, factual. advances in technology and advances in computerisation will force it and other Gov­ Mr. Miller: They were prepared to take ernments to legislate for a working week of 40 hours at a lower wage. 35 or fewer hours. 2182 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

Mr. Miller: Mr. Houston-- Mr. HOUSTON: I defy the honourable member-- Mr. HOUSTON: I do not intend to take Mr. Miller: You tell me what it will cost. interjections. The honourable member has the chance to make his own speech. Mr. HOUSTON: I do not know what it will cost. Mr. Miller: You know I haven't. l'H!r. Miller: What does the union think it will cost? lVIr. HOUSTON: He has. He has every chance. He is one of the Liberal members Mr. HOUSTON: It is not a matter of who get up in this House and say, "We are what I think it will cost. The State Elec­ free to do what we want to do. We, as tricity Commission has said that it will cost Liberal members, can do as we like." As $27,000,000, but the union believes it wiil I said before, I challenge him to get up cost much less than that. The union realises and open his mouth in this debate. He knows that it will create a tremendous number of that he has been gagged. It is possible that jobs, and that is what we want, amongst he might embarrass the Government because other things. The union wants the extra he is a truthful man. He would tell the truth, jobs. and that might embarrass the Government This morning I listened to a fellow on because it is relying entirely on half-truths. the radio. I have no reason to doubt what he said as his other statements were very It is quite remarkable that the greatest sound. He pointed out that at the power­ upheaval in industrial matters in this State house at which he is working-he did not took place in the short period between 1929 say which one, but it is obviously one some­ and 1932, under the Moore Government. where in the southern part of Queensland­ That is when all the industrial anarchy took one man was doing the work that was per­ uiace. That is when the seeds were sown. formed by four men at the other power-house Thank goodness a Labor Government was at which he worked. returned in 1932. This Government is again ,I know something about the elect.rical heading for trouble. It took a bit longer industry. I think that, with the exception but the Premier is setting out deliberately of some of my colleagues on this side of to put the unions into a position where they the House, I know more about that industry have little option but to fight. than most honourable members. In the Let us look at the background o.f this modern power-house, job after job is being dispute and what has happened in recent eliminated purely because of technological years concerning industrial disputes. Most of advances, computerisation ·and the various them have been between trade unions and circuits that have been introduced. Because Government instrumentalities. Very few of of these advances, men are seeing jobs going them have been between industrial unions all the time. Every time a new power-house and private enterprise. The private employer is opened, the number of men employed per understands the meaning of conciliation. All kilowatt hour produced is reduced. major employers today have public relations One of the factors that the unions have officers. Many o.f them employ former union to argue before the Industr~al Commission officials as their industrial officers. Those is cost. They are not in a positi'On to know union officials are very loyal to their present many cost factors. It is recognised British organisations but they are also very well justice that when two parties argue a case versed in industrial matters. Such employer in court, each party has to know the funda­ groups get round the table and avoid strike mental basis of the other party's argument situations. or defence. What is wrong with the State \Vhat a different story when it comes to Electricity Commission's telling the unions Government and semi-Government depart­ how it arrived at its figure? What is wrong ments such as the Railway Departmen! and with this Government instrumentality, this the State Electricity Commission. The Gov­ unit of Public Service, letting that figure ernment says to the public servants, "Stand be known? firm. Don't give an inch." The State Electricity Commission has no competitors. When I have asked questions In thL~ particular case, why is it that the in this House about the State Government State Electricitv Commission will not back Insurance Office or some other Government up its statemen't that it will cost $27,000,000 opemtion, 'I have been told, "We cannot a year to implement the 35-hour week? allow our competitors to know our field of Surely that figure of $27,000,000 was worked ope-ration or our cost structure." That may out. be a valid argument in some cases, but surely it is not an argument against letting Mr. l\iiller: Mr. Houston-- the unions and the public know the cost structures of the State Electricity Com­ Mr. HOUSTON: As I said before, the mission, the generating authority and the honourable member is wasting his time. He distribution authorities. There is no com­ should make his statement, and I will tell petition, and public money is being spent him all about it later on. in these operations. Also, the people are being charged various amounts for the supply Mr. ~'[iller: You can't tell me later. of electricity. . Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2183

·what our amendment seeks to do, and month's long service leave. Anything that what the Government should have dvne he achieved in England could have been months ago, not just last week~and it is done as well, if not better, by Sir Wallace not too late even now to do it-is tu get Rae. So he should not talk about the use t~e State Electricity Commission representa­ of public money. He has not been in Queens­ tiVes around the table with the Minister for Labour Relations and the unrons and land for the last month to witness this current find out what the whole score is. We all problem. seem to have forgotten the name of the legislation that we are discussing. It is the As the Leader of the Opposition pointed Industrial Conciliation and Arbitration Act. out, it was the union rank and file who The Government is talking about arbitration, determined the action to be taken in this yet if the unions were tu go to arbitration dispute. I ask Government members to cast now they would have to do sv with only their minds back, not just to yesterday but half a case, because so much information to when the initial decision was made to is available only to the electricity authorities. seek a 35-hour week. That deci&ion was This information is the crux of the whole made on the job by the workers. They made strike. If the State Electricity Commission the decision and relayed it to their union believes that it has an accurate figure and officials, who were told to come up with that that figure does not justrfy the granting some appropriate action and then take that of a 35-hour week in the power industry, action. That is what thev did. The Govern­ what is wrong ·with the commission's making ment argues that union~ officials should go that figure available to the other parties? back to their members on every issue, yet Of course, the Premier in his argument I have witnessed this Government do things said that the Government has never sought to and bring Bills before the House that it has be provocative. That is a lot of nonsense. never mentioned in any policy speeoh. In I think that the whole history of the Premier fact, I have seen the Government do cart­ indicates that he has tried to entice the wheels on its own policy within a matter of unions to take industrial action. He has hours. hoped that they would take industr~al action. I am very pleased to support the amend­ ment moved by the Leader of the Oppos­ Then there has been reference to ition. As I said, I regret that the Govern­ inconvenience to the public. No-one is ment has decided to try to gain some cheap more concerned about the welfare of the political capital by this motion before the public than the Australian Labor P•arty and, I believe, the trade union movement. As I House. Instead of doing that, it should have have said, it is the Government that has a got the Minister for Labour Relations to sit vested interest in causing industrial unrest. It in his office with representatives of the hopes that the public will be inconvenienced. unions and the State Electricity Commission If that was not the case, why was it that so that they could talk out the whole matter. after t·wo meetings of Cabinet, one last But, instead of doing that, the Minister for night and one today, all it could come up Labour Relations is content to sit here with was this pious motion presently before silent, when he should be voicing his know: the House? Even if it is carried lOO per ledge and demonstrating his ability. I know cent, what would it achieve? Does the the honourable gentleman has an ability to Government think it will affect the trade get people together and to sort things out. union movement or those on strike? The Of course, one can only come to the con­ Government knows as well as I do that the clusion that the Minister wants no part of strike will be over by midnight tonight. As it at all; that he is being forced -by the the Leader of the Opposition has said, the domination of the National Party to take a unions will make no further moves before back seat and do as he is told. Christmas. Once today's debate is over, I trust that Mr. W. D. Hewitt: Does that wipe the the Government will sit down with the parties slate clean? involved in the dispute. If it does not, the problem wiH not be solved. As it took years nir. HOUSTON: It does not wipe the slate for the workers to obtain a 40-hour week clean at all, as the member for Greenslopes and years to obtain the other natural advances knows. that they received, so this will go on. A The Minister for Labour Relations and the sensible Government should therefore decide Cabinet must do something positive. By that, to sit round the table and talk about it. I do not mean that they should impose pen­ That is what the Opposition amendment is alties on the unions; I mean that they should all about, and I trust that Government mem­ get the parties together. The Industrial Com­ bers will support it. If they do not, that will mission can go only so far, and that is not show clearly that their motion is purely and the answer. simply a propaganda move designed to hood­ Mr. Porter: There is always an answer wink the people into thinking that they care, when in reality the two meetings of Cabinet to everything. show quite conclusively that the Government Mr. HOUSTON: The member for Toowong not only does not care, but does not know d;d not contribute anything. He has had a wh~t to do in a situation that it helped create. 2184 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

Hon. R. E. CAMM (Whitsunday-Minis­ enjoy a 36.}-hour week. Then he says that ter for Mines, Energy and Police) (2.50 public servants should be the ones who p.m.): I have listened to the two speakers decide whether a 35-hour week should be on the other side. We intend to oppose introduced or not. We claim, and have the amendment and stick to our original aLways claimed-

before the commission by way of arbitration; request of the commission not to hold stop­ yet the last speaker from the Opposition work meetings or cause interruption io work benches said that the rank and file members while conferences were being held. had given their union representatives that At the stop-work meeting, the members authority. That was their excuse before the resolved- Industrial Commission, and it is on record "Resolution No. 1: Essential Services that they said it. Bill"- Were these people frightened of arbitra· now we have another issue coming into the tion? Are the leaders of the militant unions negotiations- involved in this electricity dispute afraid of "The Premier of this State be informed arbitration? Why do they noi go to the that any moves to restrain our democratic arbitration commission, where their evidence rights ,to withhold our labour by his or can be examined and they can be cross­ any other Government will be met by the examined, where the evidence submitted by strongest retaliatory action within our the State Electricity Commission and the power. electricity authorities, the distributing boards, and the figures submitted, can be examined by "This meeting of Queensland power the union advocate, and where the Industrial workers endorses the action previously Commission can itself require whatever infor­ taken by our officials in the 35-hour week mation it thinks is vitally important io the campaign and determines that, if satisfac­ tory replies are not received on 11 October hearing? Why will not the unions agree to the following questions put by our to go before the Industrial Commission and negotiating committee to the industry on press their claims? Are they frightened of arbitration? 5 September, namely:- '(1) What additional cost would ,the Following the plea by the unions that industry consider a reasonable cost in they had not had time to present their case, reducing work!ing hours to 35 per week the Full Bench of the Industrial Commission over a nine-day fortnight?' " acceded to their request and ordered con­ ciliation conferences under the chairmanship What a ridiculous request to put to any of Commissioner Gibson, provided-and this employer! What would an employer con­ is the important point-that the unions gave sider to be a reasonable cost? If the unions an undertaking that there would not be anv said $27,000,000, the employer would say bans, limitations or strikes during the course that that was not reasonable. If the unions of the conferences. said $10,000,000, the employer might say it should be haLf the figure, $5,000,000, and Conferences took place on 17 and 19 July, the unions might say that they would work 24 August and 5 September, at which time a 37~-hour week. There is nothing concise an opportunity was given to the unions to in that request. present their case in full. The information prov,ided by the unions was conveyed to Mr. Miller: Have the unions ever said the boards, which re-endorsed their previous .what they believe the 35,hour week would decision that the matter had to be heard cost? and determined by the Full Bench. In conference on 5 September the unions sought Mr. CAMM: Never. answers to three questions, which included The resolution continues- the cost to the industry of their claim and " '(2) If the unions were able to con­ further details as to how these costs could vince the industry thtat the cost of be reduced. The industry undertook to implementing reduced working hours and provide this information to a conference of a nine-day fortnight can be contained the parties on 11 October. within the industry's estimate of a Subsequent to 5 September, it came to the reasonable cost, will the industry agree notice of the industry that four-hour stop­ to the union's claim?'" work meetings were to be held on 25 and 27 I repeat what I have said before: it is not September to enable unions to report to the the prerogative of one industry 'in Queens­ membership. The unions organised four­ land to decide that a 35-hour week shall be hour stop-work meetings in defiance of the introduced. It has never been the prerogative instruction from the Industrial Commission of one industry to say that that would be that, during the conferences, no bans, limita­ widespread throughout industry. The intro­ tions or strikes were to be imposed. This duction of a 35-hour week in the electricity appeared to the industry to be a breach industry would affect every man, woman and of the undertaking given to the Full Bench child in the State, because the cost of of the commission on 11, 12 and 13 July. electricity would certainly rise. The commission was :advised of the pending To quote further from the resolution- stoppage and a conference was then held " 'What are the details as to work before the commission. locations employing Boards, classifica­ The conference failed to prevent the stop­ tiooo, ~ge rates, additional operating page and, as a result, four-hour stop-work costs and additional capital costs in the meetings were held on 26 and 27 September, case of each of the additional 1,074 resulting in widespread load-shedding on 26 employees argued by the industry as September. That was in defiance of the necessary if the claim was implemented?' 2186 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industr)J

"A 48-hour stoppage will be held in the Bench of the Industrial Commission directed industDy on Monday, 22nd and Tuesday, the Electricity Commission to supply the 23rd October. Also we authorise the figures, because that was done on the con­ respective unions to call additional stop­ dition that there would be no more bans, pages, as necessary, until we succeed in stoppages and industrial disruption in the our claim." industry. So there are the unions asking the industry A further conference was held under the to meet them and negot}ate and, at the same chairmanship of Mr. Gibson on 12 November, time, saying, "If you do not agree to our at which time the industry answered the terms, we will have a 48-hour stoppage." three questions. This is in reply to the That, in effect, is an attempt by the Leader of the Opposition who said that the militant unionists to bla:ckmail the electri­ unions were never given any information. In city industry of Queensland. reply to the three questions, Unions were At the resumed conference of the parties advised- on 11 October, the industry refused to pro­ "(i) The additional cost would be vide the information sought by the unions $27,000,000 in the first year and $20,000,000 on 5 September, on the basis that the per year thereafter. Since the claim was industry would not provide the information for a 35-hour week, the cost quoted is while it was under threat of a 48-hour stop­ the actual cost and the industry was not page on 22 and 23 October. Can anyone prepared to make any further cost on a blame the Electricity Commission or the hypothetical basis. industry f'Or refusing to divulge information "(ii) Question 2 is answered by question under threats such as that imposed by 1. militant unionists? "(iii) Details were supplied to the indus­ On 15 October, the Industrial Commission try of costs by each Board, additional convened a conference of the parties in an staff required and other details required by attempt to obviate the threatened 48-hour the unions." stoppage on 22 and 23 October. It recom­ mended that such stoppage not take place. Prior to the conclusion of this conference, unions sought answers to three further ques­ A further conference on 17 October failed tions. It should be borne in mind that the to prevent the dispute and, as a result, the unions met the Electricitv Commission. Industrial Commission issued an order res­ When they went before the Industrial Com­ training members of the union from taking mission they said, "We have not had time part in the stDike and also issued an order to present a full case. We want time to against the union president, secretary and reconsider it." They were then ordered officers preventing them from adYising, aid­ back into conference. They then asked three ing or instigating the dispute. In spite of questions. When the answers to the three this and in spite of the request by the questions were given, they came up with comm~ssion, the sroppages took place on 22 three further questions, which the industry and 23 October. As a result, the unionists undertook to seek authority from the boards breached the commission's order. These to answer. matters are on record-honourable members can get copies of them-and they refute Following the information given to the many of the statements made by the Leader unions on the three questions, a report of the Opposition. 'appeared in "The Courier-Mail" that a The Full Bench of the commission recon­ spokesman for the Trades and Labor Coun­ vened on 8 November, at which time Mr. cil of Queensland reported that the informa­ Commissioner Gibson tendered a report that tion provided by the industry was dishonest was read to the assembled parties. The and contrived. A spokesman for the Trades report gave a concise and accurate resume and Labor Council accused the Electricity of what had proceeded since the matter was Commission-after it had given the informa­ before the commission on 11, 12 and 13 tion which could have been checked with the July. Mr. Gibson expressed the opinion that auditor's report--of dishonesty and said that further conferences were unlikely to resolve the answer was contrived. the dispute and, as a result, requested that Some two days after the questions had the Full Bench consider the matter. That been answered and the claim had been made was the second occasion on which Mr. Gib­ by the Trades and Labor Council that the son requested the Full Bench of the Industrial answers were dishonest, by letter dated 15 Commission to consider the matter. November from the Trades and Labor Coun­ The Full Bench, after hearing the parties, cil answers were sought to four further ordered the industry to provide answers to questions. After the first three questions, the three questions posed by the unions on there were a further three questions, and 5 September, and also obtained a guarantee then an additional four. The industry met from the unions that they would not partici­ to appraise the situation and determined pate in further bans, stoppages or strikes that, in view of the attitude of the unions, pending further conferences which the Full it was not right or proper to give further Bench suggested might take place between the information to the unions on their claims. parties. Some of the unions claimed in the That is what I indicated at the start. Press that this was a victory. But it was If the unions want the full information, not a victory for the unions when the Full the proper place for it to be given is before Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2187

the Industrial Commission, where their accus­ replied that they had no mandate from ations about the information supplied being their members to proceed by way of arbitra­ incorrect can be answered by the advocates tion. That is in conflict wrth the statement for the Electricity Commission, and where made by the honourable member for Bul­ the figures quoted by the Electricity Commis­ imba that the union leaders had the approval sion can be examined by the advocates for of all members of their unions to go before the unions. The commission itself can the Industrial Commission, with the Elec­ require further information if requested by tricity Commission, and negotiate for a 35- either party. This is the way to have hour week. The union leaders replied to negotiations and discussions, not sitting round the Industrial Commission that they did not the table with a single commissioner and have a mandate from their members tn pl10"­ with the union being able to go away and say, ceed by way of arbitration. They had a "We weren't given sufficient information. The mandate to proceed with industrial turmoil information we were given is incorrect." Go but they did not have a mandate to proceed before the Industrial Commission, where by \\ay of arbitration. people can be cross-examined. The Electricity The bench advised the unions that, on Commission and the unions subsequently receipt of advice from them that they were advised accordingly. ready to proceed, the matter would be set On 21 November, it came to the notice down for hearing. That is where it stands of the industry that overtime bans were today. As snon as the unions are prepared to be im·oked bv the E.T.U. members at to indicate to the Industrial Commission that Toowoombf the House, be heard and determined. I realise that they know nothmg about the The Full Bench then asked if the unions suJbject. They know nothing about the would l:>e ready to proceed. The unions present situation. 2188 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

Mr. R. .J. Gibbs: Go on, then, read the A further conference was convened by the orders to us. commission at 2.15 p.m. yesterday, at which time the unions advised the commission Mr. CAMM: H I wished, I could say a thalt they were unalble to inform their few words about the honourable member members of the terms of the order because who is interjecting, to ind1cate how little of cu11tailment of electricity supplies. They he knows about things and how he has said, "We can't tell them because there is a learnt something in the last few days. strike on." It was a strike, of course, caused by themselves. They said that this The order outlines the employees con­ interrupted telephone communications, and cerned, and then states- that some unions were unaware of who ". . . be restrained from taking part their delegates were in the respective auth­ in any strike in connection with the orities. Such was the disorganisation among claim by the said Industrial Unions of the union movement leaders that they did Employees for an ordinary working week not know whom to approach and to tell that of 35 hours or any other claim of a the strike was over. In addition, they felt similar nature. that by giving too much information they "This Commission doth further order were incriminating themselves in the terms that the said Industrial Unions and their of the order. All they had to do was copy Secretaries forthwith take all reasonable the order and send it out. steps to advise their respective members The industry indkated to the commission employed by the said The State Electricity that its attitude in respect of the claims Commission of QueensLand . . ." was unchanged. To date, the strike is still Then it ment,ions all the employees. It current, except for one responsible gang then states- at Swanbank, whom I want to thank, who have made available one additional generator "This Commiss,ion doth further order piOducing 60 MW. They did th~t ~s a res.ult that the said Industrial Unions, their of the order issued by the commiSSIOn, wh1ch Presidents, Secretaries or Organisers and has been breached by others. other Officers of the said Industrial Unions be restrained from authorising, encourag­ The two speakers from the other side, ing, instigating, advising or directing any who obviouslv knew nothing about what they of the members of the said Industrial were talking. about, spoke about industrial Unions to take part in such strike and relations between the Government and the from aiding and doing any of such things. unions but did not get down to the nitty­ "This Commission doth further order gritty of the dispute involving the union.s that service of this Order on the Secretaries and the electricity industry and the turmoil of the said Industrial Unions shall be and hardship that has been caused to the deemed sufficient service on the said people of Queensland. I point o~t t?at employees of The State ElectricitY Com- Commissioner Gibson met the parties Just mission . . " · after 5 July, and on 17 July, 19 July, 4 August, 5 August and 12 November. On It then goes on to list all the employees, those dates there were discussions between and states- the unions and the commission. "This Commission doth further order The Full Bench sat in relation to this that service of this Order on the said matter on 11, 12 and 13 July, 15 and 17 Secretaries of the said Industnial Unions October 7 November and 3 December. shall be effective by tendering a sealed Despite' the fact that the State Electricity copy of this Order to the said Secretaries Commission has said to the Full Bench or by leaving a sealed copy of this Order that it has all the information to reply to with any person apparently above the age the union's claim and is prepared to defend of 16 years at the usual place of business its stand and answer any of the union's of the said Secretaries of the said Indus­ criticism, the union has refused to submit trial Unions." its claims to the Full Bench of the Industrial The order made it very clear to the leaders Commission. of the unions what they had to do. They In summing up, I say that the Govern­ had to tell their men to return to work. ment has given sufficient information to indicate the order of costs involved. Those iBut no. We heard on television a very costs are of such a magnitude as to con· pious expression from a man with a distinct firm the view of the industry that, as an Scottish accent. He is one of the leaders industry, it cannot agree to the claim. The of the industrial dispute. He said, "It would question of detailed accuracy does not arise be very difficu1t to get this information out because it is impossible to arrive at a precise to the unionists." It was not diffi,cult for figure on something as complicated as the him to advise them on Sunday afternoon introduction of a shorter working week. that they would finish work at midnight, That was borne out by the testimony of a but it was too difficu1t for him, in the same Mr. Selby at a recent hearing of the Full period, to advise them to return to work. Bench. In any event, the costs give no .AJf,ter all, there was radio and all the other indication of additional costs elsewhere in means of communication. the economy by virtue of the inevitable rise Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2189 in electricity charges, let alone the massive The member for Cook speaks of people costs should the 35-hour week flow to all associated with the electricity industry, but other industries. Obviously the unions have 99 per cent of the people of Queensland no case and are engaged in a fishing expedi­ enjoy the benefits of electricity, so 99 per tion to structure a case and to prevent cent of Queenslanders contribute to this an exposure of weaknesses in their arguments revenue financing of the industry. I't then in a formal hearing where expert witnesses becomes a cost on the community as a whole. can be called and cross-examined by both If we borrow money to build power-stations, parties. who pays for them? The electricity users, Honourable members would be aware that and the community as a whole. Of course employees in the electricity industry do enjoy the community as a whole is contributing. certain advantages over employees in other The Leader of the Opposition spoke about industries. redundancy in the electPicity industry. What a ridiculous statement to make about an Mr. Warburton: Which ones? industry in which consumption is increasing Mr. CAMM: The sugar industry. by 8 or 9 per cent a year. If there is one industry in Queensland .that is increasing, The State award rate for a mechanical and increasing in employment opportunities, fitter at the present time is $174.90 a week. it is the electricity industry. Because of the However, workers in the electricity industry industrial development that has taken place, receive an allowance for continuity of supply. more and more personnel are required in Some years ago that was recognised as being important, and the unions accepted that it that industry. was important and accordingly received an For all his talk, never once did the increase in their salary. Later on the Leader of the Opposition commit himself in workers received what is known as a his attitude towards the strike, other than powerhouse allowance and also a substation to say that he is on the side of the unions allowance. A mechanical .'itter after three who have fomented this trouble and are years in the electricity indu~

electric authorities and the authorities in completely weak in administering his port­ this State. It is a sad day for the State folio, and the sooner he retires from it, the now and in the future. The Government better. allows the current situation in this State .to A lot of hot air could be created in this continue unabated for purely politica'l pur- Chamber by honourable members talking poses. about the current situation. The fact is Two years ago, 1n September 1977, the that there is a dispute between the electricity Government introduced the street-march authorities and the employees of those legislation, for purely political purposes. I authorities. Honourable members opposite am firmly convinced that the reason we are can talk all they like about blaming elected debating this issue today-and the reasons officials. The blame for the situation that why we deb:~ted it on 24 and 25 October has arisen in this State must come back to last when the essential services legislation the Government. was introduced and passed in this House for the alleged express purposes of protecting Mr. Miller: Rubbish! ~~sential service indu~tries-is a purely pol­ Itlcal one. When he mtroduced this motion lVIr. VAUGHAN: I will tell the honour­ the Premier spoke about the present issue. able member why. In my humble opinion, he did not make one The Minister has referred to the exhaus­ constructive suggestion about what should be tive discussions that have taken place. I see do~e. The :vJ:inister for . Mines, Energy and Mr. Murray sitting in the lobby listening to Pohce made no constructiVe suggestion either. the debate. In this State, we have an Indus­ ~ expected a long time ago that, as the Min­ trial Conciliation and Arbitration Act. First, ISter respon9ible for .the electricity industry, there is the process of conciliation. If that he would do somethmg constructive. Had I process fails, there is the process of arbitra­ been the Minister for Energy in this State I tion. Although the process of conciliation would have taken the bit between my teeth was entered into initially, I should say that a long time ago. it was entered into rather lightly by the I have a little more experience than the electricity authorities and was not pursued Minister _in this field. I was a shop steward right through. That is one of the big prob­ on the JOb for seven years and a union lems with the Industrial Conciliation and official for 13 years. I make no beg pardons Arbitration Commission in this State. The about that. What has happened in this State State commission does not resolve issues and is that the Government has poisoned the disputes to the same degree as the Common­ minds of uhe people against workers. It also wealth Conciliation and Arbitration Com­ causes divisions bet,ween people in the country mJsswn. I think l am on record alreadv and people in the cities, and between people as saying in relation to the coal-mining indus­ m Queensland and people in other States. It try, with which I had a little bit of exper­ does this for purely political purposes. ience, that when Commissioner Mansini had people round the table, he kept them in Today we are faced with a dispute, just exhaustive conferences and discussions. One as we were on 22 and 23 October. The Gov­ of the big problems is that there is a tend­ ernment wa~ going to do aLl sorts of things ency for the State commission to adopt the then. l recall Government members saying attitude, "Well, we have gone as far as we in this House on 23 October, "It is a pity can in this conference. We will just adjourn that we didn't have the essential services the conference and leave the matter up in the legi&lation now. We could have done some­ air." That is not good enough, especially thing about this." The Government has had when dealing with an essential service indus­ the essential services legi~lation since 25 try such as electricity supply. October. It has it today, it had it last week but it has not sought to act on it. ' I made the point earlier that the Govern­ ment is responsible for the present situation. Mr. Campbell: You are disappointed, Let me go back a couple of years to the pro­ aren't you? posed rationalisation of the electricity indus­ try in this State. The primary aim of the Mr. VAUG.HAN: I am shocked at the Government was to get its hands on the impotency of the Minister for Labour Rela­ 38 per cent of the State's consumers who tions. Having in mind the feelings that the lived in the Brisbane metropolitan area, for honourable gentleman has expressed in past the purpose of financing capital development years, I would have expected him to step in, in the industry. If honourable members wish as he is entitled to under the provisions of to consider that issue, let them look at the the Industrial Conciliation and Arbitration recent annual report of the S.E.Q.E.B., the A,ct, take the bit between his teeth and annual report of the State Electricity Commis­ do something constructive. He has not done sion, and also the report of the State that. I believe that he is under pressure, Electricity Commission to Cabinet on ration­ as he has indicated previously. He cannot alisation. It will become evident that the act. I know for a fact that the attitude of sole purpose was to have access to sufficient the honourable gentleman industrially does funds to capitalise the industry. This year, not line up with that of the Premier and the S.E.Q.E.B. was able to meet 100 per the Cabinet. If he wishes to interject and cent of its capital commitments from tariffs make comments, I say to him that he is imposed as a result of the rationalisation. 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What did the rationalisation of the industry Mr. Miner: Is it wrong to amalgamate do? Of course, prior to the rationalisation, the all these unionists into one industrial union? Southern Electric Authority of Queensland, because of the hand-over of the Brisbane Mr. VAUGHAN: No. What was wrong metropolitan power-stations by the Brisbane was that the Government did that before City Council some years previously, controlled it dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's. Bulimba, Tennyson, Swanbank, Middle Ridge The Government is an infant when it comes and, to a lesser degree, Bulimba B, and, to industrial relations. previously, New Farm. The employees in those power-stations were covered by (a) the Mr. Miller: So we have a monster? Electrical Engineering Award-State and (b) the Shift Engineers and Operators' Agree­ Mr. VAUGHAN: The Government ment. Outside the Brisbane metropolitan created a m~nster and does not know how area, in the \Vide Bay area there was the to handle it. Howard Power Station, which was controlled by the Wide Bay board, where the mainten­ A series of discussions were held and ance employees were covered by the Electrical people went through the motions. The Engineering Award-State and the operators Electricity Industry Industrial Committee by the Regional Electricity Boards Award. was set up with the Electf'icity Commissioner, A little further up the coast, the Callide Mr. Murray, as its chairman. Ii contains Power Station, which was formerly called representatives of each of the regional the Calcap Power Station, was covered by electricity distribution boards and generat­ the same two awards, but the employer ing boards. In addition to creating the Jwas the Capdcornia Regional Electricity Queensland Electricity Generating Board, Board. Further up the coast, the power­ the Government recommended that the stations at Collinsville, Barron Gorge, and Cairns board, the Mackay board and the Kareeya were controlled by the Northern TownsviUe board be amalgamated to form Electric Authority. a Northern Electricity Distribution Board. lt was also recommended that a Central . In effect, there were four separate genera:t­ Queensland Distdbution Board, a South East mg boards: the S.E.A.Q., which covered the Queensland Distribution Board and a South southern part of the State· {he W·ide Bay West Queensland Distribution Board be board, which covered th~ little Howard established, but, owing to political pressure Power Station; the Capricornia Regional ,and the political climate, the Government Electricity Board, which covered the Callide decided to retain the Cairns board, the Power Station; and the Northem Electric Mackay board and the Wide Bay board. Authority, which covered the t~vo hydro stations, Collinsville and, at that time the Having done all that, the Gmernment set old Townsville Power Station. ' up the committee, and its purpose was to The Government's idea was to rationalise meet the unions. Because I was an elected the industry, to amalgamate it. It does not official of the Electrical Trades Union for believe in the amalgamation of unions, vet 13 years, I participated in quite a number it believes in the amalgamat•ion of the eleciri­ of discussions with that committee concern­ city authorities. It amalgamated the power­ ing problems in ,IJ.e electricity industry. We stations and formed the Queensland Elec­ used to appear be:-~ore the committee and tricity Generating Board. The result was present our problems with a view to having an amalgamation of not only power"stations them resolved. However, we ran into a but also workers and awards. It created a brick wall. situation in which there was one employer, The Essential Services Act provided for a whole host of classifications of employees settlement of disputes procedures, but the and a whole host of a:W..Jrds. For example, Government does not know the principles there were the Electrical Engineering Award behind them. It does not know how thev -State, the Regional Electricity Boards work in practice. - Award and the Shift Engineers and Opera­ tors' Agreement at Swanbank. As I said, we ran up against a brick wall. The Government deoided to construct the I remember that on certain issues, such as Gladstone Power Station and also decided the stand-by issue, that committee used to that the S.E.A.Q. would be the constructing adopt the same attitude a~ the State Electri­ authority with overall control. It brought city Commission has in this instance. We operators from virtually every other power­ would go before the committee, which would station in the State to Gladstone. It had say, "No. We have to report back to the an amalgamation of employees who worked dectri'c authorities." A matter would drag under a multiplicity of awards on both the on for months, and finally we would get a operating and the maintenance side. Opera­ reply saying, "We are terribly sorry. We tors were brought from Collinsville, Callide cannot agree to your claim. Take it to and Swanbank. Demarcation disputes arose arbitration if you believe you have a case." as unions competed to determine who would The electric authorities used to wait until cover the large membership in the largest about Christmas-time before making a final power-station in the State. The Government decision on stand..,by issues-winter-time was created the environment-it created the not of much consequence-and then say, monster, so to speak-by its amalgamation "Surely the rank and file will not hold the of the electricit•y industry. people af Queensland to ransom?" 2192 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

As my leader said, there are two sides to Our conciliation and arbitration sys~em an industrial dispute. Today, Government is based on unions of employers and umons spokesmen are castigating employees in of employees. But over the years the Govern­ the industry, but I prefer to level criticism ment has tried, for purely political exped­ at the industry itself. If the managerial staff iency, to denigrate elected union officials, to of electric authorities would leave industrial destroy their credibility in the eyes of the relations and the settling of industrial disputes community and the eyes of the rank and to the people whom they employ to do this file. It has succeeded so weH that elected job, we would not be in the situation we runion officlials are now super-democrats. are faced with today. From their point of view, they dare not direct the rank-and-file members. They must One reason for our debating this motion go back and report and obey the wishes today is to ailow the Government to make of the rank and file. political capital out of the issue. Here I We all know that from time to time refer to the introduction of the essential unions, like politkal parties, hold conferences services legislation. Today we are leading at which the rank and file are asked to up to a similar situation. The Government submit motions. is playing politics on this issue. So far no The 35-hour week campaign was the sub­ Government spokesman-neither the Prem­ ject of one of the resolutions slllbmitted ier, t'he Minister for Mines, Energy and by the rank and file to conferences of all Police, nor the Deputy Premier and Treas­ of the 15 or 16 unions involved in this urer-has made any attempt to do anything dispute. The rall!k: and file determined that constructive, as is proposed in our amend­ there should be a campaign for a 35-hour ment, to try to resolve the dispute. week, as happened with the oil industry which now has a 35-hour week and as H Government members want ro find out happened with the coal-mining industry the attitude of the rank and file to the dis­ which now has a 35-hour week. pute, they should not simply accept what they read in the Press about union officials. But the Government says, "H is those They should talk to the rank and file, just terrible union officials who have thought as I have done. I challenge any Government all of this up." The Government is so member to talk to a mass meeting of men wrong. This is one of the reasons why at the Gladstone Power Station and listen the Government is not game or has not to what they have to say. The Government is seen fit to hold a secret ballot of power equally guilty in holding the electorate to workers to determine their attitude. H a ransom. The Government is the second secret ballot were held, it would go the party to this political exercise. It is trying same way as the only two secret ballots to make political capital out of an industrial conducted in this State since that provision situation. was inserted in the Industrial Conciliation and Arbitration Act. If the Government The Deputy Leader of the Opposition sincerely wants to find out how the rank referred to certain articles in the Press dealing and file feel, it should conduct a secret with the extent to whioh the Premier has ballot. gone to break down the standing of elected union officials. I have a file on these matters Dr. Edwards: That won't resolve the which I have shown honourable member~ dispute, and you know it. on another occasion. The Premier is on Mr. VAUGHAN: Of course it will not record as saying, "It is not the rank and resolve it, but at least the Government file members whom we are concerned about; would know exactly what the situation is it is the terrible elected union officials." On in this State. I do not believe that the each occasion the Premier tries to turn Government wants to know how the rank facts around to gain political advantage, and file feel. whereupon the Press and other media snap up his accusations about Left-wingers, Com­ Dr. Edwards: I have talked to them munists and elected union officials. more than you have. In trying to play politics with indust,rial Mr. VAUGHAN: The Deputy Premier relations, the Government has been success­ has done nothing. He was in the trade once. ful in destroying the standing of elected I suggest that he go and talk to a few officials. I have told the Minister for Labour people in the trade. Relations what has happened. The Govern­ ment has destroyed the standing of elected Over the years, the Government has union officials to such an extent that it created a monster in the electric authorities. has now to wrestle with the rank and file. Because of its inexperience and imubility, An article in this morning's Press stated and the incompetence or reluctance of the that it would require a brave elected Minister to do something positive or con­ official-just as it would require a brave structive, the Government has allowed this elected member of this House-to tell his situation to arise. electors that he would not do something Mr. Miller: You have just challenged that they wanted him to do. Union officials the Government. As a member of the are no different from members of Parliament. Opposition, what would you do? Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2193

Mr. VAUGHAN: It is in the amendment panties involved. I would not have hidden moved by the Leader of the Oppos,ition. behind my ministerial portfolio and allowed the commissioner to be the front man. Last Thursday night, when I was dis­ cussing the Po1ice Superannuation Acts Mr. Innes: Would you have maintained Amendment Bill, I drew a comparison. On your membership of the union? 25 October last, the Essential Services Act Mr. VAUGHAN: I certainly would have, was passed. It defined those industries and I am not ashamed of it. Have you that the Government, in its wisdom, regarded maintained your membership of the Queens­ as essential service industnies. It is sig­ land &r Association? nificant that the Government did not include the Police Department. That is all very Mr. Innes: I am not a Minister. well. Possibly the Government thinks that that is not an essential service. I believe Mr. VAUGHAN: We know that you have it is. got ambitions. We know that a lot of people don't like your ambitions. I suggest that During that debate, I pointed out that if you want to do something about industrial the Bill formalised the agreement that the relat!ons, you should take the . industrial­ Government had negotiated 'with the relatiOns course at Kangaroo Pomt. Queensland Police Union to give police Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr. W. D. officers the option of retiring at 55 instead Hewitt): Order! The honourable member will of 60 years of age. The point I made direct has comments through the Chair. then and the point I am making a~in today is this: the Government introduced Mr. VAUGHAN: I cannot understand legislation to define the power industry as why, on the one hand, the Government an essential service. Why is it that the adopts a conciliatory attitude towards the Queensland Police Union and negotiates a Government entered into cooci1iation and reduced working life for police officers in negotiation with the QueensLand Police this State and, on the other hand, insists Union but will not do so with the elec­ that the employees of electricity authorities, tricity unions? As I said on Thursday who want a reduced wor\Qing week-from night, I agree with the Government's action my point of view, that is parallel to a reduced in negotiating with the Queensland Police worlcing life-----go to arbitration. Union. But why the differentiation? Why Mr. Warburton: And not exactly an inex­ tell the employees of the electric authorities pensive exercise. that there will be no negotiation? The Premier said that early in the piece when Mr. VAUGHAN: That is another point. this problem first arose. I wish that the Treasurer was here, because this point amazes me. In his Budget speech, I will not accept that the State Elect:t1icity the Treasurer said that the optional lower Commission or the electric authorities are retiring age for police officers would be not directed-! shall amend that and use introduced at no additional cost to the State. the word "advised"--1by the Government. I I am entirely in agreement with the scheme, say that they are adv,ised by the Government. but the Treasurer did not tell the truth. The statement by the Premier at that time Last Thursday night, when we were debating was that under no circumstances was there the Police Superannuation Acts Amendment to be a 35-hour week in the power industry. BiH, I asked the Minister, "How can it be Why go through the motions of negotiating? that there is not going to be any additional Why go through the exeroise? Does the cost, when you change it from a two-year Government believe that it is deceiving the calculation basis to a one-year calculation rank-and-file employees in the industry? It basis?" According to my advice, that must is not. That is why the Government is result in additional cost. looking into the mouth of the gun today. A couple of weeks ago the Minister said Mr. INNES: I rise to a point of order. that there would be no negotiation for a The matter with which the honourable mem­ 35-hour week, that it was a matter for ber for Nudgee is dealing is totaHy irrelevant arbitration. Why didn't the Government to the motion or the amendment. tell the Queensland Police Union that? I know that the Government has regular Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! The meetings with that union. That is the way honouralble member for Nudgee whll con­ it should be. The Police Force is an tinue. essential service. Mr. VAUGHAN: I thought that the hon­ I will answer the previous interjections of ourable member for Sherwood would have the member for Ithaoa, who is now absent known a little better. from the Chamber. If I had been a Minister However, the Minister's reply to me was in this Government, I would certainly have that, in effect, it will result in additional gone out of my way to call the parties cost. Yet in his Budget speech the Treasurer together before the whole of the State's said that there will be no addiNonal cost. power supply was disrupted. I would have Maybe the statement that the scheme would convened a conference and talked to the be introduced at no additionllll cost vindicates 2194 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry the Government's action in negotiating with the unions' case. Of course, once the State the Queensland Police Union for a reduced Electricity Commission had the full facts of working life for police officers, but I submit the unions' case, Mr. Murray staced that that it will impose an additional cost on this there was no way in the world that the State. Therefore, I am a little surprised that electricity authorities would give the unions the Treasurer made that statement in his any information to be used in a subsequent Budget speech. arbitration hearing. That is a wry nice old The negotiations that have gone on in tactic. this dispute were outlined here this afternoon The Premier and the Mjnister for Mines, by speakers on this side of the Mouse and Energy and Police have both stated that by the Minister for Mines, Energy and Police. there are to be no negotiations on a 35-hour There have been negotiations, if I can call week, that it must be arbitrated. The exer­ them that, between the electricity authorities cise that was gone through was that the and the unions representing the rank-and-file unions submitted their case, and once the members. I know for a fact that right at the authorities had that documentation from the outset, the unions were requested to present unions, they said they would not give the their case. They did not do too bad a job unions their case. On numerous subsequent at that. They produced this document that occasions, the Industrial Commission recom­ I have in my hand. It contains all the mended to the electric authorities that they relevant facts and comparative statistics produce the information for which the unions about the electricity supply industry m had asked. It is significant that although Queensland. the Industrial Commission can issue orders As requested by the electricity industry, and directions to unions and to the workers the unions presented their case to the industry. of this State, it is reluctant to or will not This is the whole basis of negotiation. A issue directions or orders to employers, par­ few members on the Government side have ticularly in this case. no idea whatsoever about negotiations. As I Mr. Miller: Could I ask vou what the say, the unions were asked by the electricitv unions believe a reduction in \vorking hours authorities to present their case. They pn;­ would cost the community? sented their case in toto. They presented all the re-levant facts. They had people specific­ Mr. VAUGHAN: If the honourable mem­ ally engaged for six to 12 months on research­ ber for Ithaca ..vants to have his say, he ing the information required for a 35-hour­ should get up and have it. week campaign. Today I am not arguing the case for or When those facts were presented to the against a 35-hour week; I am pointing out electricity authorities, they said that they to the people of the S.tate what the Govern­ wanted time to analyse them in accordance ment is doing and how it is e'l:ploiting an with the normal processes of conciliation. industrial situation for purely political pur­ They went through the facts, came back to poses. The sooner the people of Queensland the unions and, as I understand it, gave an wake up to whM is going on, the better. airy-fairy reply. I can envisage the sort of reply that the unions received, because I During the la't Parliamentary recess I took know the replies that I received when I the opportunity to visit the Gladstone Power was involved in negotiations with the elec­ Station. I will have quite a bit to ,•ay about tricity supply industry. that power-station at some other time. The Queensland Electricity Generating Board I was taken back by the performance of issued an invitation to me to in.;pect the the Electricity Commissioner (Mr. Murrav) Gladstone Power Station as I had criticised last night on television when he s?.t there it from time to time. I loot-ed over that and threw himself from one side of the seat power-station from where the coJl goes in to the other. right through to where the power comes oul. An Opjw.sWon Member: He might have I also took the opportunity to talk to some been hot. of the workers up there. As I understand the position, the Gladstone Power Station Mr. V AUGHAN: I know that he was in is completely off line during this dispute. the hot seat. The Government's introduction of the Mr. R. J. Gibbs: It was :;i,mificant that essential services legislation made the work­ he kept looking at the de~k. He was ers at the Gladstone Power Station more obviously reading from a prepared brief. determined than ever. It is significant that the Government has had the use of that Act 1\,!r. V AUGHAN: All I know is that he for all this time, but today we are in the was very shifty. same position as we were on 22 and 23 The State Electricity Commissioner said October, with the whole State affected by last night that there was no way in the a power dispute. On that previl'LlS occasion world the electric authorities would give the Government used the fact that it did the unions the information they required, as not have the Essential Services Act as an that could be used by them in subsequent excuse for not acting and why the com­ arbitration. However, in accordance with munity had to put Ul) with such a shocking the normal processes of conciliation, the elec­ situation. But we have exactly the same tricity authorities requested the full facts of position today. Why hasn't the Government Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2195

used i:s Essential Services Act? To find the Mr. VAUGHAN: No, not give in to them reason for the introduction of that legisla­ at all. tion one should read in "Hansard" what the Premier said when he introduced the What I am saying is that the Government second reading of the Bill. It was not the should get wise about how the processes of conciliation and arbitration work. No matter Minister fo~ Lz.bour Relations who intro­ duced the Essential Services Bill, but the how much it tries to make a political issue Minister for Local Government and Main of an industrial dispute, there will continue to Roads. be industrial disputation. After all, in the United States, where there is direct negotia­ Mr. .!ones: ·where is he today'? tion between the parties, far worse disputes than this occur. Disputes over there go on Mr. VAVGHAN: He is over in New for three months. This Government passes Zealand. There must be a trotting meeting essential services legislation, but then just on there. That is why he is not here today. sits on it. It does not use it. It knows it is The Minister for Lo·cal Government and not going to be effective because it is deal­ Main Roads did not introduce the second ing with something over which it has little reading. \Yhen the Premier introduced it or no control. he said- I will comment now on the statements "This Bill is to re.1ssert the rights o.f made by the Premier when he initiated this the people of Queensland. These rights debate. He referred to the six faceless men. have been bludgeoned by naked union Of course there will be elected officials who blackmail recently-and especially in the will carry out the directions and the wishes past 24 hours." of the rank and file. The Premier referred The Government now has that Act; why to six. He named seven, and then he included hasn't it u~ed it? The Premier further said- an eighth name. I will go back to what "The Essential Services Bill, which is I said earlier: if the Government really years overdue, is a reform to make unions believes that these six faceless men, as the accept their responsibilities as eagerly as Premier referred to them, are in complete they demand their rights." control and can direct all the people through­ out the length and breadth of this State who We have to look beyond what I submit work for electric authorities, let it test the are the views of the Premier and his interpre­ tation of unions. The newspaper headlines matter. read, "Strike Law Australia's Toughest". Over the years the Government has repeat­ That is typical of the Premier's propaganda edly amended the Industrial Concilitation and machine. This is going back to 29 May, Arbitration Act to introduce something new just prior to the commencement of negotia­ that would, in the Government's opinion, con­ tions. The Queensland Government has trol disputes. No amendment to the indus­ Australia's toughest strike law. During the trial legislation introduced by the Govern­ Committee stage it even went to the extent ment has worked. Industrial relations of amending the provisions. Because of the cannot be short-circuited. All the processes 48-hour strike on 22 and 23 October, the have to be gone through. The Government Government amended the legislation by included procedures for settlement of disputes changing "48-hour" stoppage to "24-hour" in its essential services legislation. I submit stoppage. The Government has the toughest that it does not really know how it will legislation in the country, but what has operate. The Government will not exhibit happened to it? such knowledge until it learns how industrial To back up my remarks about what the relations work and how the industrial scene Government is really all about with its prop­ functions, and until such time as it gives aganda, I point out that it embarked upon the Minister for Labour Relations the oppor­ shocking Hitler-style advertisements on tele­ tunity to handle his portfolio as he wants to vision. ,Then in the Press it had advertise­ and as he should do instead of being manipu­ ments headed "Strike me. Enough's enough". lated by the Premier. The Government exploits an industrial dis­ pute and lets the people of this State suffer I submit that what happens in this by allowing the situation to continue. By Cabinet is that Ministers are under the virtue of its inaction, it is allowing the dispute direction of the Premier. I will repeat what to continue. It can sponsor all of these adver­ I have said before: I believe that the Prem­ tisements-"Strike me. Enough's enough" ier is being directed by people outside this and "Why should my kids have to scramble State and that he is a tool for people who over rubbish?", and all of the other propa­ do not have the full interests of this State ganda (I will deal with propaganda in a at heart. By virtue of the power and con­ minute)-but it will not change things one trol he has over Cabinet, he has not allowed iota unless it does something constructive; the Minister for Labour Relations to handle unless it gets the parties into conference this industrial dispute in the way that it and convinces the rank-and-file members of should have been handled and, secondly, he the respective unions that it is prepared to do has not allowed the Minister for Mines, something about a 35-hour week. Energy and Police to intervene. I am firmly convinced that the reason the Premier gave l\1r. Porter: In other words, give in to the Minister for Mines and Energy the Police them? portfolio was so that he could have his 2196 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry finger on that also. Besides dabbling in a "Get out and find out what the people think, whole series of other portfolios, he wants find out what the rank and file in the unions to have his finger on that, too. think." ThM is the way in which the The f,aat that the Government has brought debate has gone today. The Opposition has this debate on for purely political purposes completely avoided-if it ever thought of is a shoc}\jing indictment of it. It will not them-the consequences of the industrial resolve the dispute. 1t may be good action on the third parties in this dispute, politics. It may gain politically out of this the innocent people of Queensland. issue, as there is no way in the world that ,Perhaps that is not unexpected when one the people are not upset about it. It is looks at the composition of the Opposition. understandable that they are upset. But Over half of them have been professional the sooner they understand the extent to union organisers or position-holders. which the Government has set about deni­ grating, by design, the elected officials of Mr. Vaughan: Not professional; I was an unions to try to break their authority and elected official. put power back into the hands of the rank Mr. INNES: All right; a professional, and file, the better. That happens with elected official. As I said, more than half monotonous regularity. On the one hand, of the members of the Opposition have, the Government asks elected officials, "Why for a significant part of their working life, don't you control your rank and file?"; on been dependent upon union positions, on the other hand, it says that elected officials which their election to Parliament has also should not dictate to the rank and file. The been dependent. Government caniJJOt have it both ways. It cannot put an elected official into the position Mr. Scott: What has that got to do with of having to direct his rank and file and it? then say, when it suits it to do so, that an Mr. INNES: I will tell the honourable elected official should not have control of the member. At a time like this, the people rank and file, that the rank and file should of Queensland should know the type of have control of unions. That is on record. persons who make up the claimed alternative The Premier is on record as saying-the Government of this State, and they should Minister for Labour Relations is not on know also the type of thing that they say reoord-- in debates in this House. They should know Mr. Warburton: He doesn't say much these that it took four speakers to get round days. to one Freudian slip-and it was a slip on the part of the honourable member for Mr. VAUGHAN: No. He is in semi­ Nudgee-and mention the outrage of the retirement; he is on the way out. I do people of Queensland who are affected by not blame him; but at least while he has the consequences of this industrial dispute. that ministerial povtfolio and while he is receiving a Minister's salary, he should take Industrial disputes of this type are not the initiative, notwithstanding the dictates of between two parties. They are not merely the Premier, the Leader of the Government between an employer and employees. A in this State, and try to resolve the dispute third party, the public, is affected. It is along the l!ries suggested in the amendment all very well to talk about withdrawing moved by the Opposition. Ia:bour when only an employee and an employer are involved. In this ins,tance, Honomable members opposite may talk money provided by the great mass of the about atbitration. One can lead a horse people has been used to elevate key perso~mel to water but one cannot make it drink. I to their positions and legislation has g1ven ask honourable members opposite whether those key personnel the immense power t~at they believe that, with the situation in the they have now abused-and I emphasise power industry over recent months, and, "abused"-to the detriment of the people indeed, over recent years, since the mtional­ of Queens.land. How could people in that isation of the industry, the dispute would be union accept in their pay for 19 years a resolved even if the processes of al'bitration loading for continuity of supply? That loa~­ were to be fo.Jlo:wed. ing was given to them bec~use they are .m (Time expired.) exceptional cixumstaoces m an essential industry. They are given it because they Mr. INNES (Sherwood) (4.7 p.m.): There are expected to maintain continuity of sup­ has been an element of unreality about the ply. How, in aU conscience, can they debate so far. It has taken four Opposition accept that? Clearly, they are prepared t.o speakers to get round to talking about people accept it under false pretences. Has the1r in terms of the people who are affected by union offered to relinquish that benefH at the consequences of this industrial action. any time since it went on strike in October? Mr. Miller: In the closing hour of the Mr. Warlmrton: It can be taken off them. debate. Mr. INNES: The union certainly has Mr. INNES: In the closing minutes of the not offered to relinquish it. It is something fourth Opposition speaker. Previously the the union sought because its members were word "people" was used in the sense of, asked to provide continuity of supply. 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One is dealing with people with double When the unionists at Gladstone put the s~andards. In fact, when we listen to Opposi­ la:bel "Gone fishing" on their doors, they tiOn speakers, we gain the impression that want to remember that many people are we are dangerously close to dealing with confined to their beds and mothers are people with no standards at aH. This matter locked in to the care of small infants who affects a third party-the people of cannot be taken fishing. Queensland. Mr. Scott: What has fishing got to do I will detail to the House only one story with it? concerning the distress that is wrought by this action on the people of Queensland. This Mr. INNES: "Gone fishing" is the explana­ story must be mirrored by thousands of tion given by unionists twice over the past others. two months for their inability to contact fellow-unionists or to have them return to Mr. Scott: Bleeding heart. work in Gladstone. That excuse has been given twice over the past two months. Some Mr. INNES: I shall take that interjection. people cannot go fishing. Some people cannot This is a bleeding•heart story. escape from the circumstances that the At 5.30 last night, the alderman for unions have imposed on them. As a result, Corinda (Alderman PhH Denman) and I lives are in danger, if not lost. went to a geriatric hospital in our area taking 'I ask honoumble members opposite to with us 2-! cwt. of ice. That ice wa; neces­ imagine the distress suffered by tens of sary because for only two brief periods yes­ thousands of Queenslanders. There are terday, one of one hour and the other of hundreds of old people of 80 years and more 10 minut.~, that hospital had power. The in my electorate and every other electorate ~nly auX!hary power available was for the in Queensland-people who are peculiarly ltft and for no other purpose. distressed by problems caused through the At Vhe of the day, although combination of heat and humidity yesterday. begmn~ng Who knows how many people were distressed man~ of . the patients ~n the hospital have terminal 1llnesses, not one of them was in or became unwell struggling between floors a critical state. By 5.30 last night however of buildings designed only for air-condition­ one patient had died. ' ' ing? The person who gave me ice yesterday Opposition Members interjected. owned the looal: iceworks. He told me that he has $4,000,000 worth of meat-if it is Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr W D still fit to be called meat-in cold storage. Hewitt): Order! I would have thought· that He gave me ice from a room in which the subject-matter touched upon by the hon­ 10,000 blocks had been stored awaiting the ourable member for Sherwood was of such Christmas rush. The people who wan1 block s~riousness that it would demand reasonable ice in my electorate are mainly workers. silence. Mr. Casey: If there were enough workers there, you wouldn't be here. Mr. INNES: ~ I say, by 5.30 p.m., ~ne person ~ad died. In the period immed­ Mr. INNES: Workers in my electorate Iately prec~mg. that, some of the patients would be very interested in that interjection. were suffermg distress caused by the intense They are ordinary people who will be affected heat. In fact, four other persons, none of by the consequences of this strike. The ice whom had shown symptoms of heat distress had started to melt. As soon as that block either 11?-e previous day or earlier yesterday, ice begins to freeze again, it will solidify and were bemg treated for it. They were being be useless. hand-fanned and bathed constantly because Mr. Jones interjected. of the concern that the people nursing them had for their lives. Mr. INNES: I saw that the honourable . I do n~t iJ?-tend engaging in the one-eyed, member for Cairns was asleep throughout biased diatnbe that Opposition members ha:]f of the debate this afternoon. engage in. There was the intercession and Mr. Vaughan: You weren't even here last help of a prominent member of the A.L.P., week. Alderman Harvey. I left Alderman Denman to try to contact people after hours at Mr. INNES: I was in the House through­ S.E.Q.E.B. while I went to the iceworks out last week. But that is irrelevant. to obtain the ice to help cool the patients. The point is that tens of thousands of Through the good offices of Aiderman Harvey Queenslanders were sorely affected. I have and because I was later able to speak to no doubt that the honoumble member for the management of the S.E.Q.E.B., arrange­ Cunningham will be able to tel:l a few truths ments were made to restore power to the about the distress in other areas. Owners hospital at 6 o'clock last night. I understand of cold stores, shopkeepers with deep that power was maintained this moming. freezers, people with home refrigerators and However, no fans were available during so on are losing or have lost foodstuffs, and yesterday, nor was cold water on tap for distress has been caused to the aged and the the benefit of those patients who were suf­ young. But I will ignore discomfort for the fering acute distress. moment. 2198 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

Before we got round to talking about the by Labor. Somebody applauded it today. problems confronting the people of Queens­ IBut the unions will not abide by an arbi­ land, we heard four speeches from Opposi­ trated decision. They will not go to and tion members. We have not talked about the utilise the provisions of that legislation or shut down of industry. the services of the commiss,ioners appointed Mr. Vaughan: You have had the essential under it. Opposition members want it all services legislation since 25 October. ways. In the last resort, what they really claim is that the laws do not apply to Mr. INNES: I will take that interjection. unions, that the unions can play in if they It shows the absolute hypocrisy and incon­ are succeeding and play out if they are not srstency of Opposition members. succeeding. Opposition members cannot have it all ways, but that is precisely what they This morning the Leader of the Opposition have been doing during the past 24 hours. said that big sticks will never solve industrial disputes. The Opposition says that the essen­ An Opposition Member interjected. tial services legislation rs a big stick and will not solve disputes. When the Govern­ Mr. INNES: I am not out of puff, nor ment stays its hands and does not use the am I out of sympathy for those who have big stick, Opposition members still complain. been distressed, damaged or destroyed by Who is playing politics? the actions of the unions whose position is ,I think it was one of the Opposition mem­ advocated by Opposition members today. ber's well-known mentors, Mao Tse-tung, Mr. YEWDALE (Rockhampton North) who said something about power coming (4.21 p.m.)': It would seem to me that the from the barrel of a gun. The honourable previous speaker used the argument that member for Nudgee and his union cohorts members on this side of the House are have found that power comes from the devoid of any standards. I take umbrage sockets of a power point. That is precisely at that statement and I am sure that my what is happening in this case. Union leaders Opposition colleagues agr.ee with me. That have found this to be the ultimate way to is the type of approach adopted by the hon­ try to blackmail the people of Queensland. ourable member for Sherwood with his sar­ That is exactly what it is about. The honour­ casm about people without standards. One able member for Nudgee represents, and could suggest that he came from a profession speaks for, people who are prepared to engage that lacks standards. Perhaps the reason for in false presences; who are prepared to receive that is thaf he did not have sufficient special allowances for ,which they are standards to stay in that profession, so he expected to maintain power throughout the has come into Parliament and is adopting State. the same sort of approach in his arguments I am reminding the House that we should in this debate, because he has nothing else let the people of Queensland know that to say about the matter. It is very easy for there are people who are prepared to air a person to introduce the human element their problems. The majority of Queens­ into an argument. He said that it was a faux landers could not care about the petty pas by the honourable member for Nudgee intrigue and posturing of the unions against to raise the question of the concern of people the employers. They will support the unions in the community. if they have a valid ,claim; they will main­ As it is in black and white in "Hansard", .tain and pursue the unions' claims coin­ I should like to reiterate what I said during cidentally with 1heir maintaining the power the debate on the Essent;ial Services Bill. supply. But the unions cannot and should Of course, I said it on behalf of the Opposi­ not cut off the power supply to get a resolu­ tion. In regard to the activities of the power tion of the problem. In many fields of work, nobody would expect workers to industry unions, I said- withdraw their services. For instance, nobody "I have in a number of respects, and would expeat nurses in hospitals yesterday I still do, but I do not give anything a to withdraw services from the sick and the blanket cover. But the situation is that dying. Nobody expects the Police Force, the the unions in the power industry have Army, the Navy or anybody else to withdraw argued and argued about the issue for their labour. Nobody has seen a situation months.'' in this State where so many members of the Later I said- Public Service have withdrawn their labour "We have heard a great deal of discus­ as to bring this place to a halt. But today sion about concern for the community, we are witnessing a union, for the first and I might say here that everybody is time in probably 20 years, being prepared to concerned for people in the community, use a most sensitive and a most responsible irrespective of their colour, creed or situation, which has been built in for it by politics. The Premier said here today that the community with community money, and trade union officials and trade union mem­ use community laws which oreated these bers were inhumane, callous and brutal. statutory authorities, the vulnerability of the That is the sort of thing the Premier says State and of the people of the State, to try when he describes the unions. But Gov­ to extmt industrial demands. ernment members and everybody else in The offer has been there. The Industrial the community-with very few exceptions Conciliation and Arbitration Act was set up -know that the very people who come Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2199

to the fore both physically and financially reasons decided that it was not going to when the community is in need, such implem~nt the legislation at this point. I as in time of war, are trade-unionists. If can only suggest that Ministers do not believe members talk to any organisation in their that to implement it would be of any advan­ electorate, such as an ambulance or p. taae to the Government. I believe they have and c. committee, they will find that the de~ided it is not advantageous for them to majority of its supporters are people who introduce it at this time. be1ong to either a white or blue-collar I return to what was said by the member trade union association. It is obvious that for Sherwood. While he was speaking he they are not inhumane m callous. They referred to the power supply in this old have kids, mothers, fathers and grand­ parents of their own, and they do not persons' home-I cannot think of its name­ take action with the intention of incon­ and he intimated that these old people were veniencing people; they take action in the without power and other n~eds. My personal interest of improving their job conditions impression of the power mdustry workers, and the future of their children. When in terms of supplying power, was that they Government members get that into their have retained sufficient power for emergencies thick skull>, they will get somewhere. They in hospitals and old persons' homes. I cannot have to be prepared to sit down and talk." understand why sufficient power was not provided to this home. It has been provided I reiterate that because I believe that they to many other places throughout the length majority of members of trade unions do and breadth of this State at times such as think of the people in the community and those we experienced yesterday and are exper­ consider their own families, relatives and iencing today. It would seem that, because aged people. of the rotation of power cuts, these people The member for Sherwood gave an were left without power. I am sure that ordin­ example of aged people and the television ary householders could have gone without programme "Today Tonight" last night dealt power for a longer period so that the people with a similar subject. The honourable mem­ to whom the member for Sherwood referred ber has tried to upstage the television pro­ could have received power. gramme, possibly to get a paragraph in the There is another pertinent point about the Press. Whether he gets it or not is debatable. supply of power to hospitais and ol~ pe:­ Irrespective of actions taken by the trade sons' homes. It has been pomted out m this union movement, we have been aware of a Pai'liament very clea11ly that aux±liary mach­ similar simation in the community for many inery to supplement the power supply was years. We have been aware of it at times provided to a hospital in Toowoomba some of war and of shortages. I do not believe months ago. However, it could not be used that trade unionists set out to cause incon­ simply because the wiring was not connected. venience and, as the honourable member It has been lyting there idle for many months suggested, possibly death. I agree that he waiting for the wiring to be connected. That qualified that statement and said that death matter was raised by a Government mem­ may have occurred, anyway. ber who represents a Toowoomba electorate. I return to the action that the Premier of He implied that it was the Government's this State took this morning to move this fault that there was no emergency power motion. It seems to me that it really is at that hospital in Toowoomba. There is going to be an absolute waste of the time trulk about emergency needs, yet that is the of this House because, in essence, it is not position that preva~led at a hospital in ~oo­ going to do anything at all about the cur­ woomba during the last 48•hour power stnke. rent issue. It is obvious, as many other People should provide their own emergency members have said, that it is a political power. exercise. Government members came in here this morning purely to use this arena In common with some of my colleagues in to further their political aims; to put the the Opposition, I believe that the blame for issue before the public in the terms that they the previous stoppages and that of yes!e~day decided. and today lies at the door of the Mmister for Labour Relations and the State Elec­ I turn now, as other members have done, tricity Commission. Although it may be to the essential services ·legislation. After repetitive I must reiterate the remarks of all the protracted processes with the legis­ my colle~gues that the Minist~r for La~our lation-the question of what Minister was Relations has completely forfeited all nghts going to introduce it, the amendments that as the Minister for that portfolio, particularly were to be introduced, and the amendments in the last few months. The Opposition that finally were not introduced~! am sur­ cannot stress enough that labour relations prised, as I am sure are Opposition members are the very essence of the problem in the and the community, that the Premier did power industry in Queensland today. !he not win the day in Cabinet. To my mind, meaning and interpretation of labour relatiOns that strikes a very interesting note in the are the things we have seen nothing of from minds of the members of this House and this Government, and from the Minister in of the community at large. Although the particular. Everybody says that the Mir~j~ter Premier still persists in saying that he will will retire, and they can hold that opmwn have his way, the Government, for its own if they wish. 2200 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

The leading lights in the introduction of the of the Industrial Commission, the functions Essential Services Bill were the Premier and of the trade union movement, the functions the Minister for Local Government and Main of the Electricity Commission, and all the Roads. The Minister for Labour Relations ramifioations of the industrial relationship took a back seat and only came into the between all those people and what has debate in a belated effort to try to justify happened over a period of some decades. I his position. I think he has to accept that do not intend to reiterate that, because I criticism as fairly valid, as circumstances show believe he covered it quite clearly and fully. that is what has been happening in this State. Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr. W. D. 1The whole crunch of this issue is the Hewitt): Order! I have been advised that question of the 35-hour week. When the the lights are out upstairs and that it is power unions indicated their intentions at impossible for the moment for the Hansard the beginning of this issue many months staff to operate. It has been suggested to ago, I watched very carefully an interview me that the House should adjourn until the with the Premier in front of the Executive ringing of the bells, and I intend to accept Building. The Premier was very definite that advice. when he emphatically stated, although I can­ not quote his exact words, that as far as [Sitting suspended from 4.35 to 4.45 p.m.] he was concerned the 35-hour week was never on. That has been his attitude from Mr. YEWDALE: I wish to make some the inception of this campaign. brief comments in relation to the activities I say very clearly here today, as a mem­ of the trade union movement in Queensland ber of the Opposition and its spokesman on surrounding the introduction of the essential labour relations, that I believe that the services legislation. Prior to the introduction tactics of the unions in the power industry of that legislation, many unions in Queens­ are incorrect. That is not to say that I land, both white-

Mr. ELLIOTT: He would be about on a Worse still is the position of people who par. are trying to dry grain. During the last four What really upsets me was mentioned by weeks of harvest time, there have been many the previous speaker. He said that all wages storms and a lot of wet weather. The grain personnel already receive a continuity-of­ growers have been drying a tremendous supply allowance of $3.40. That is obviously amount of grain which has been harvested a bonus paid for guaranteed supply. They with a high moisture content. Because people are breaking their contract by taking part are not able to keep the grain moving through in the present industrial dispute. What effect the driers, the grain is heating up and it 'Yill has this totally irresponsible action had? The go right off. The member for Warw1~k people who have been most disadvantaged indicated to me that he has a silo of gram are the dairy farmers and the fruh growers. which he is verv worried about. There is In our area this irresponsible action is a good chance that he wi1l lose the lot. That placing a tremendous impost on the dairy is the sort of consequence that flows from industry. the present action in the power industry. As I have said, rain has been falling Mr. Houston: How often was the power throughout the harvest period. Grass and off? For what period of the day is the summer weeds are growing up through the power off in your area? crop. Mr. Davis: You are not going to blame Mr. ELLIOTT: It is on and off all day. that on the power strike? Mr. Houston: For what periods? Be Mr. ELL!OTT: If the honourable mem­ faotual. ber listens, I shall explain the position to him. All that grass and those summer weeds are Mr. ELLIOTT: For half an hour at a mixed in with the grain, which has to be time in some cases and in one case an graded before it is stored in a silo. This entire area on the Downs was blacked out is another impost that is being placed upon completely. farmers. They are not doing anything about it. What about industry and the public in The honourable member for Bulimba is general? I am greatly concerned about the trying .to make out that our dairy farmers number of people who will be out of work are not really being disadvantaged. That is as a result of this industrial action. But the really not the case. Because of the heat, people about whom I am most concerned the milk vats cannot cool the milk in time are the little people who, in order to avoid and the producers are throwing their milk the Christmas rush, have bought their out. There is also a disruption to the milking Christmas supplies and put them into deep routine. That might sound very funny, and freezers. Quite a few cases have been quoted the clowns on the Opposition side tend to to us today. laugh. But the people who understand the dairy industry realise tha·t if cows are not Mr. Davis: That is untrue. milked regularly morning and night, their Mr. ELLIOTT: I can give the honourable lactation period could well be shortened. member some cases. Some of these people Earlier today I was speaking to the hon­ have their Christmas supplies in deep freezers, ourable member for Carnarvon. He told and they stand to lose everything. Many of me of ·the tremendous consternation on the them have saved in order to buy their granite belt. The growers there put a lot Christmas supplies, and I doubt whether they of fruit into cold storage, particularly fruit will be able to buy further supplies. that requires controlled atmosphere. Those Mr. Prest: How much does a deep freeze growers stand to lose one-tenth of their yearly income if the problem is not overcome. hold? That is absolutely catastrophic. Any fair­ Mr. ELLIOTT: The honourable member's minded person would admit that. In many lack of concern is absolutely incredible. cases, the fruit and vegetable growers are The present situation in the power industry unable to irrigate, and that places an added is absolutely unbelieveable. I call on all those impost on them. men who are on strike to think, for a change, The wheat and grain industries in my area of the people they are hurting. If they had are absolutely incensed. We are getting any common sense at all, they would realise phone calls every five or 10 minutes in regard that they are putting everybody offside. I to this problem. The State Wheat Board hope that there is some more intelligent facilities are unable to operate on any sort thinking on this matter. The only members of reasonable basis. People are queuing up of the Opposition who appeared to have trying to deliver wheat to the board. Any­ given this matter any thought were the mem­ body who knows anything about the augers ber for Rockhampton North and the mem­ in ~he old facilities would know that if an ber for Nudgee. auger is stopped when it is full, it becomes blocked. It has to be run backwards and Mr. WARBURTON (Sandgate) (5.3 p.m.): somebody has to use a Stillson wrench on It is because of the Opposition's concern the shaft before it can be operated again. about the industrial disputation in the elec­ There are tremendous problems. tricity industry and its effect on the citizens Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity lndustr_v 2203 of Queensland that we have put forward, in I will not dwell on this point for too long the limited opportunity that is presented to as I want to speak on other matters. I us here in Parliament, what we believe to do not know whether there are any women be a constructive proposition. I shall remind involved in the dispute, but there possibly honourable members what our amendment could be. However, the Premier referred seeks to do. It calls upon the State Govern­ to the people involved in the dispute as ment to instruct its Labour Relations Min­ thugs and highway robbers. I have mixed ister to immediately convene and chair a with people in this industry for many years, conference between the two parties to the as have some members on the other side dispute in order to resolve it forthwith. of the House who have been chairmen of the various generating, supply and distribution It was not our doing that this debate took authorities. The men involved in this dispute place today, although we welcome the oppor­ vary in ages from the young, who have just tunity at any time to debate matters of gone through their apprenticeship training to importance to the people of Queensland. We become qualified in certain areas, to men believe that the proposition that we have put of 60 years of age who have made huge forward could bear fruit. sacrifices during their lives, many of whom Whilst we are on the subject of what went to war for this country and, as I that amendment says, let me reiterate that indicated before, many of whom suffered the Opposition calls upon the State Govern­ the consequences of having to do that. I ment to instmct the Minister for Labour am not prepared to remind people of the Relations to do something about the current Premier's infamous history during that period dispute. With due respect to the Minister of crisis, but when I hear him denigrate the his performance over recent times has not people who are taking some action in what been in keeping with the position that he they believe to be a democratic way to get holds. We saw his performance when the what they consider to be their democratic Essential Services Bill was debated. Of rights, I just wonder where we are going. It course, one is led to believe that the reason does not stand the Premier in good stead to why he did not participate as fully as he persevere with that type of unreasonable and could have on that occasion was that he unreal criticism of people whom he does not did not fully agree with the propositions know. If he is critical of the decision made, that were then put forward. However he that is one thing; but he should not criticise is in the House today and one hopes 'that the worker-the man himself-for arriving at he will take the opportunity to address the that decision. He should not get personal Parliament to tell us his points of view. about the matter. For the benefit of those people who have I hark back to the history of this dispute seen fit to castigate members on this side that has caused the problems we face in for putting forward their opinions, I reiterate Queensland today. It has been reasonably that that has been for the very reason well covered by other speakers. I saw the that we have concern for the people of rationalisation programme as being the one Queensland and what is happening in an thing that brought about a tremendous industry that was hitherto almost devoid of change in all aspects of the electrical indus­ industrial disputation of any consequence. It try, an industry that I worked in and was is for that reason that the Opposition put very close to. Along with rationalisation came forward a proposition that it believes could the centralisation processes. This is something bear some fruit. that the Government likes to make people The Opposition has become used to some believe it does not agree with. In fact, the of the comments that the Premier makes process of rationalisation of the electrical from time to time, the manner in which industry brought about centralised control he denigrates certain people throughout the in many aspects. State of Queensland and his attitude towards The member for Nudgee covered the mat­ members of the Opposition. When I received ter of how politics stopped the amalgama­ an unfavourable mention from the Premier tion of various electric authorities in this that was not something that I did not think State. However, one important issue in the would occur. Be that as it may, in my process of rationisation sparked off the position I am prepared to cop that sort bitterness felt by many of the workers in of thing from the Premier at any time what­ the industry. Why do we have problems soever, as his utterances do not concern with us today that we did not have last year, me. But I do get upset-it seems to be the year before or 20 years ago? Basically, something that he repeats and repeats­ formerly the electrical industry was a peace­ when he starts to denigrate the workers ful industry. We were always able to resolve of this State whom I have known and been our differences by talking. 1957 was the mates with for so long, people who I am last year before this that I can recaH a prepared to say are so much better, so much dispute of any consequence. more presentable and much better citizens of Queensland than the Premier will ever Let us look at the reasons for the present be, despite his rather unconvincing remarks dispute. ·when the rationalisation programme from time to time. I would like to know was introduced, the employees were not fully if members of the Government support the consulted about their future. I recall the bit­ comments that the Premier made this morn­ terness at job level about that. Employees ing. lwere never really consulted about who 2204 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry their next employer was to be. If changes electricity industry came about. The fact were to be made, who was to be their that it is not working is one of the roots employer? Were they in fact to be forced of the problem. to work for an employer that they did not In this debate, much mention has been want to work for? That type of attitude made of the Essential Services Act, and I prevailed within the industry. wish to go on record as saying that, although I am making these points because I it has been thrown up at the Government believe that, if we are to have a discussion and the Premier that that legislation should in the Parliament of Queensland about a be invoked, I would be the last to wish to matter of such importance, for heaven's see the Government do that. I hope that sake let somebody on the Government side­ the Government will have the good sense and after all it is the Government that not to invoke the provisions of the Essential has the responsibility-listen to what is Services Act, because to do so would be being said by people who may know a little one way of bringing the State to a complete about the history of the matter, take note halt. of what is being said and see if he can The hypocrisy of the Government in rela­ assist in bringing about some sort of a tion to the Essential Services Act is conclusion to the present impasse. emphasised in today's news. I refer honour­ The trouble started with the employees able members to an article in an early being concerned a:bout their future. Even edition of today's "Telegraph" under the on the day that the rationalisation pro­ heading "'il11 keep UIP the figiht'-Joh". H gramme was introduced, many employees says- still did not know what their future was "The government obviously is powerless to be. There has been discussion here today­ to restore norma'! electricity supply before and I will not enlarge upon it-about how the workers' scheduled return to work at various people on different salary and wage midnight tonight. structures found themselves working together, "Mr. Bjelke.;Petersen said before the and the problems associated with trying to special C~binet meeting he would again sort those matters out. I agree that initially, ask ministers to order the implementation prior to the rationalisation, attempts were of the Essential Services Act. made to bring about an industrial situation " ~I won't give up on this. I'll naturally that the electricity authorities saw as a pursue it again this morning. I don~t solution to the problem, but they failed. Cer­ worry aboUit being rolled.' " tainly a few meetings were called to try That is the oid, old story. We have heard it to resolve the problem. since the early 1970s. I do not know how The present dispute really began a couple long the Press and other sections of the of years ago when the situation in the media in this State are going to put up with industry changed and employees found that that facade. The Premier is a "gunna"­ the people with whom they had been able he is going to do this, and he is going to to discuss industrial disputes were no longer do that. We read in the ne~WSpapers con­ available and that, in fact, the process of tinually the story that he is trying to put up trying to resolve disputation was more diffi­ to the Parliament and to the people of cult. The problem has grown, and someone Queensland-th~t he is fighting Cab!~et, with industrial nous must go into the indus­ that he is ,fightmg members af the coal1t1on try and sort it out. I do not intend to parties-but he is not really prepared to castigate particularly people who happen to do anythling about it. be in the higher echelon of the industry Mr. Seott: I don't think he even tried to today, but I have said in the Hoose before do anything aboUit it in Cabinet. that not many years ago the leaders of the trade union movement were able to sit Mr. WARBURTON: I take a contrary down with the leaders of the electricity point of view. I think it is a faoade. In _my supply industry and thrash out differences at opinon, each and every member of Cabmet that level. Pushing trade union representa­ talces equal responsibility for decisions that tives into discussions with lower management are made. I do not beNeve that he has the and people who cannot make decisions has iron rod that his publicity people would like never wol'ked, and it never will. It is up to to let us think he has. the higher echelon of management to be prepared to ta:lk with the representatives of In a later edition of today's "Telegraph", the workers for the purpose of endeavouring under the headline "No Government strike to resolve problems. move", this appears- "State Cabinet today again backed away I reiterate that, firstly, problems have from invoking the Essential Services Act arisen only recently and, secondly, thait they to break the 48-hour power strike. began because of the way in which the Government and the electricity-supply "Cabine't decided that letting the strike industry emibarked on the rationalisation pro­ run its course was the best way to handle gramme and the way in which people in an it." industry that was almost devoid of dis­ What's new? The Government had no inten­ putation were treated. They have not for­ tion of invoking the Essential Services Aot gotten. In addition, there was the way in against the trade union movement, nor did which the industda'l relations set-up in the it have any intention of tr;ring to resolve Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2205 the problem. Its only intention was to try associated costs if the claim were granted. to aggravate the position. We do not have Although the answers provided were more to be Einstein to work out that all the detailed than those given previously, the Government is doing is endeavouring to unions believed that further details were denigrate the Opposition and damage its necessary. Really that is the crux of the standing in the community. matter. As I say, I raise those matters Although Government members try to because of the confusion in the Government indicate that they have concern, they are not ranks. prepared to do anything about the situation. Whoever sums up for the Government Becau~e the Opposition members are con­ might care to explain what the Government cerned and believe that something should be e~pects in such a situation. It has been done as a matter of urgency, we urge Gov­ put to the Minister for Labor Relations ernment members to support our amendment. that under the Industrial Conciliation and The Minister for Labour Relations has cer­ A11bitration Act he has the right to inter­ tain powers under the Industrial Conciliation vene, but he has not done that in former and Arbitration Act, if he wants to use disputes. The honourabLe member for them. If he is not prepared to use them, Nudgee, my leader and other Opposition he should be instructed to bring the parties SJpeakers have said that the commission has together immediately. That could be done, the power to conduct a ballot to see whether not tonight, not tomorrow, but this after­ the workers truly believe in the justice of noon within half an hour. their cause. Surely that is stage one. Despite Today certain members referred to the the fact that we must be concerned about order of events. My information, which I the ordinary citizen, we must resolve the believe to be absolutely accurate, is that dispute. I am sure everyone agrees with on Monday, 12 November, acting under the that. However, we will not resolve it if order of the Full Bench of the State Indus­ we stick our heads in the sand and do trial Commission, the unions' negotiating not look to the cause of the problem. committee, which had been formed, met with the electricity industry representatives. Dr. Edwards: A ballot won',t necessarily That meeting was a recommencement of solve it. the negotiating conferences that were held prior to the 48-hour stoppage on 22 and Mr. WARBURTON: A ballot may not 23 October. At the direction of the Full so1ve anything, but it is certainly a stage in Bench of the Industrial Commission the elec­ the process of determining the facts, and we tricity industry was required to provide the head that people on one side or the other unions with detailed answers to questions do not believe that the facts are being put by the unions on 5 September. The laid squarely before them. Because we hear industry had previously undertaken to pro­ so many stories I thought I should put the vide those answers by 11 Ootober. That record straight and save the Government interesting point has not been brought out the bother of considering a ballot. Af,ter before. The industry gave a promise to pro­ doing that the Government should know vide certain information by 5 September, where to start in trying to put an end to but it was not forthcoming till a later date. the impasse in the electricity industry. I will not read the three questions asked While we were dealing with the essential by the unions; they have been read earlier services legislation, the Minister for Mines, today. They dealt with additional costs and Energy and Police referred to the resolu­ so forth. tions that were passed at meetings throughout In reply to those questions, the industry the State. So that it will be on the record advised that, based on a reassessment by each I shall refer to those resolutions. If we board of the costs of implementation of the act as a true Parliament we may be able cLaim, the cost would be $27,000,000 in the 1o get down to the nitty-gritty of the exer­ first year of implementation and $20,000,000 cise and come up with a satisfactory solution in each subsequent year. H added, of course, to the problem. Resolutions were passed at $680,000 to the original estimate of the a number of meetings throughout the State. costs. They were helrl at Brisbane, Ipswi'ch, Too­ woomba, Southport, Gladstone, Biloela, In reply to the first two questions, the Rockhampton, Mackay, Collinsville, Towns­ industry stated that the object of the claim v,il!e, Innisfail, Cairns, Nambour, G)lmpie, before it was a 35-hour week, with a nine­ Mary1borough and Bundaberg. I understand day fortnight. It believed that there was that the meetings were held at those centres no alternative to that, and it had not con­ to give all workers in the industry a reason­ sidered any alternative. able opportunity to participate in the meet­ I raise these points only because of the ings, understand the points and come t.o initial confusion in the Government ranks a conclusion in a reasonable, democrat!.: about the true facts of the matter. Follow­ manner. ing the assessment of the situation the industry furnished the unions' negotiating The first resolution read- committee with a paper that purported to "That the Premier of this State be explain what additional staff, with classifica­ informed that any moves to restrain our tions, etc. would be required, and ,the democratic rights to withhold our labour 81366-75 2206 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

by his or any other government, will be When that resolution was put to the vote, met by the strongest retaliatory action in 87 per cent of the total number of people our power." who attended those numerous meetings throughout the State said that that was what That was a simple resolution. I suppose that they believed in. By virtue of that resolution, those of us who have been round the woods they advised or instructed their unions to and have worked in various jobs have seen take whatever action was necessary to bring that type of resolution pop up from time to their claims to fruition. That is very time. It is interesting to record the result important. of the combined vote on that resolution. It must be remembered that the meetings were When the Premier and other Government held on 26 and 27 September 1979. The vote members denigrate people in responsible posi­ resulted in 95 per cent in favour and 5 per tions, it is only fair that truth should out. cent against. That is an overwhelming It is only fair to understand that in this majority. particular case the people involved in the industry were given the opportunity of I have made the suggestion that the determining whether they would participate Minister for Labour Relations, who will be in the dispute. I am not arguing here the speaking shortly, might be able to assist me rights or wrongs of the dispute, but I think by explaining how people holding responsible it is fair that the facts be laid squarely positions in unions overcome the problem before honourable members so that any of democracy among their rank-and-file criticism made is fair and reasonable. members. With the rank and file deciding 95 per cent to 5 per cent, I will be interested I conclude my remarks by again making to hear from anybody who can suggest any the point that if the Government heeds way in which the trade union movement what has been said by members of the can deter those members from taking tf1e Opposition here today-and I believe sin­ action they propose. cerely that every member in this House is concerned about any disputation that The second resolution read- affects the citizens-- "This meeting of Queensland Power Workers endorses the action previously Mr. Moore: Rubbish! taken by our officials in the 35-hour week campaign and determines that if satisfac­ Mr. WARBURTON: The honourable tory replies are not received on 11th member for Windsor had every opportunity October to the following questions put by to speak in the debate. Of course, at one time our Negotiating Committee to the he was involved in a dispute in the industry, Industry on 5th September, namely- and I give him credit for his stand on that "(1) What additional cost would the occasion. industry consider a reasonable cost in As I was saying before I was so rudely reducing working hours to 35 per week interrupted by the member for Windsor, the worked over a 9-day fortnight? position is that we are all concerned about "(2) If the unions were able to con­ this matter. That is the main reason whv vince the industry that the cost of the Opposition brought forward its amend­ implementing reduced working hours ment. It is not good enough for the Premier and a 9-day fortnight can be contained to come out and say in Press articles, as he within the industry's estimation of a did in today's "Telegraph", "We are not reasonable cost, will the industry agree doing anything because the power indus,try to our claim? dispute will be over to-night. We will wait "(3) What are the details as to work until next time." I believe that he should locations, Employing Board, classifica­ have the gumption and principle to stand tions, wage rates, additional operating up here some time today before this debate costs and additional capital costs in tli.e concludes-after all, he initiated it-and case of each of the additional 1,074 tell us what he intends to do about the employees argued by the Industry as problems that are confronting the State. necessary if the claim was implemented? We believe that the amendment that was then a 48 hour stoppage will be held in moved by the Leader of the Opposition and the industry on Monday, 22nd and Tues­ seconded by the Deputy Leader of the day, 23rd October. Opposition f>hould receive the fullest support "Also we authorise the respective unions not only of Opposition members but also to call additional stoppages as necessary of Government members who are sincere in until we succeed in our claim." the objective of bringing about industrial peace in Queensland. I repeat the final part of that resolution because everybody should understand the Mr. MILLER (Ithaca) (5.37 p.m.): I rise position in which the "faceless men" referred to sooak in this debate not because I to by the Premier are being placed by the was -challenged to do so by the Deputy people they represent. The final part of that Leader of the Opposition but because I want resolution read- to speak on behalf of the people I represent. "Also we authorise the respective unions First of all, the Premier and the Deputy to call additional stoppages as necessary Premier spoke in this debate on behalf of the until we succeed in our claim." Government and the State. The Leader of the Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry 2207

Opposition and many members of the Opposi­ Mr. Vaughan: Why don't you bring in tion have spoken on behalf of the unions legislation to alter the Act? involved in this dispute. I, as a member of this House, wish to speak for the ordinary Mr. MILLER: The honourable member rank-and-file people of Brisbane, indeed the for Nudgee spoke for the full time allotted to whole of Queensland, because they are him and in the dying moments of his speech the meat in the sandwich in this dispute. finally decided to mention the people whom I want to talk about the old people who he represents. He now has the hide to ask have no power when they get up in the me why the Government does not introduce middle of the night. I want to talk about legislation to give the third group a say. If the young parents who cannot heat milk the member for Nudgee is to continue in the for their young children at the right time. way he has today and speak only on behalf of the union that he used to represent instead 1 want to talk about the unemployed. I of the people he is supposed to be repre­ want to speak on behalf of those small senting, it is very necessary for the Govern­ pastrycooks in my area who had to put ment to look at ways of allowing the off their staffs yesterday because they did community-the third group of people not know the number of hours they would involved in all disputes-to have a say. have in which to bake their cakes. Yesterday Why should not the community have a say? morning they stood down their employees; They are not being represented by the and they have been stood down for two days. people on the other side of the House. As far Not only have they been unemployed for as I am concerned, they should be repre­ two days, but the community has not been sented. What is th1s all about? able to buy the cakes that they normally buy in these shops. Mr. Vaughan: If you had been in the Chamber all day, you would have heard. I also ;vant to talk about the butchers who are losing meat because it is going Mr. MILLER: The member for Nudgee bad in their freezers. The power supply has had the opportunity to tell me what he is not sufficient to maintain the freezers thinks this dispute is all about. Now I at the correct temperatures. I want to intend to tell the House what it is in fact talk about the local stores, where milk all about. is going off. This dispute has been brought about because the unions and the Trades Hall Mr. Vaughan: Well, get on with the decided, because the Government had intro­ subject. duced the Essentia:I Services Act, that this was the time to test out the Government; Mr. MILLER: The honourable member for this was the time to test out the community. Nudgee says, "Get on with the subject." So they decided that they would go on strike I say to the honourable member for Nudgee for 48 hours and cause the inconvenience that what I am talking about is the subject. they have caused just prior to the Christmas The subject I am talking about concerns vacation to see what the Government was the people in the community who have prepared to do. become the meat in the sandwich in this The Government has made a decision, and dispute. I stand by that decision. The Government I want to talk about the 73 people in the says that certain industries must be essential Redlands electorate who are unemployed industries. The Government says that workers because the abattoir had to put them off in those industries should not have the same when no power was available to carry on. rights and privileges as workers in other I want to talk about the man in the quarry industries. I would hate to think that the who lost his hands when cleaning out a people who supply water to the houses of machine that jammed when the power went Brisbane wouLd decide one day that they were off. He forgot to turn the switch off and the no longer going to reticulate water. I would power came back on again while he was hate to think that the responsible people working on the machine. I want to speak who work the sewage pumps would one day about all the innocent people who have been say that they were going to stop those affected by the actions of the unions. pumps. I recognise the right of unions to go What would happen in Brisbane? What on strike. I recognise the right of individuals would happen in my own electorate, where within unions to fight for their just rights. the suburb of Torwood is lower than the I recognise the right of Governments to fight high-tide Ievel of the Brisbane River? What on behalf of the community. But in all of would happen if the sewage pumps stopped? this there is one group that does not have I will tell the member for Nudgee what a say. I have heard it said over the years would happen. All that raw sewage would that there should be three groups involved erupt over the streets of Torwood. There are in any industrial dispute: there should be therefore certain industries in all States that the employer; there should be the union; have to be placed in a situation in which and there should be the community-the they cannot hold the community to ransom. third group who are never considered by any We cannot allow unions involved in essential union. services to say to the community and the 2208 Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Strike in Electricity Industry

Government, "We are going to govern this remove our coats on such a hot day in State." They will not govern this State. I a room where there is no air.;cond1tioning. firmly believe that the community is behind However, he did not say one wond about the Government. It realises that if this the old people out in the community who strike is successful, our lives and the future cannot put a fan on. He did not say any­ of the community could be threatened by thing about young children lying in cots so workers in every essential service. As far hot that they are uncomfortable. My as I am concerned, what the Government colleague the honomble member for Sher­ has decided to do is the right move. wood brought up a matter about a hospital in his electorate. Some members of the Mr. Vaughan: Wha;t is that? Opposition even ridiculed what he had to say. What he said was ti'Ue-----and a direct Mr. Scott: What are you doing? Tell us. result of what happened yesterday and is You have the time now. happening today. It is no good going behind a bush and trying 1Jo change the facts. At Mr. MILLER: I have been challenged to least the honourable member for Rock­ say what the Government is doing. I will hampton North had the decency to say that say what I am prepared to do as a back­ he did not know whether wha.t is happeruing bench member of the Government. I cannot is the right thing. say whM. the Government is going to do, My leader has asked me to allOIW the but I will support whatever the Cabinet Minister for Labour Relations the oppor­ decision is. tunity to speak be'fure the dinner recess. Mr. Vaughan: You're weak. I will allow him to do so. Hon. F. A. CAMPBELL (Aspley­ Mr. MILLER: The member for Nudgee Minister for Labour Relartlions) (5.49 p.m.): calls that weak. I do not know what else In the 20 years that I have been in this I can do but suppont the Government in any decision it makes. House, this is the first time it has been found necessary to adjourn because we did We heard a lot of talk when the Essential not have any power. My colleague the Services Bill was introduced. Opposition Minister for Mines, Energy and Police put members referred to it as the big stick. They before uhe House a very detailed sequence thought tha:t it would kill everything. We on of the events which led up to the dis­ this side said that ~t would be used only localtion of the community and the con­ in essential services at times of emergency. sequent grave hardship caused to so many That is the time it will be used. It will not citizens. What a tangled skein it is. be a big stick to be wielded at every oppor­ I listened with interest to the amendment tunity. This Government has shown a res­ ponsible attitude at this point of time moved by the Leader of the Opposi~ion. giving the unions the opportunity to chang~ Al:though it might be a novel approach, the their mind. Surely to goodness that is in Labor Party is surely naive in suggesting the best interests of the commun1ty and the that I, as Minister for Labour Relations, best intere~ts of the unions. Quite a lot of should be required to usurp the role and rank-and·file union members do not want tesponsibility of the Industrial Oommission to go on strike. They were not given the in an endeavour to resolve this difficult opportunity to have a ballot. problem. This preposterous suggestion casts a slur on the commission and is tantamount Mr. Vaughan: Take a ballot 1110w. to a motion by the Labor Party of no· con­ fidence in the members of the commission. Mr. MILLER: The member should have I suppose I should f.eel complimented. How­ suggested that to the unions before they ever, I do not possess the wisdom of Solomon decided to call a strike. and prefer to act in my own way in these Mr. Vaughan: The MiniSJter has the power matters, which usually meets with success. in his hands. I have complete confidence in the Industrial Commission and am satisfied that if the par­ Mr. MILLER: Never mind about what ties approach the commission in a spirit of the Minister has in his hands. I am saying good will and accept its decision, a way of that six men within the union movement unravelling this tangled skein will be found. decided to call the men out. The member The Leader of the Opposition is struggling for Nudgee says now that we should let them hard not only to retain his leadership of have a ballot. Why didn't they have a ballot the parliamentary Labor Party but also to prior to their being called out? disguise his lack of ability to influence the The Deputy Leader of the Opposition powerhouse workers to see reason and not referred to the faot that we were able to repeatedly inflict grievous hardship on the remove our coats in this Chamber. Of community. Much has been said in this course, it was a wonderful concession. He debate about the process of decision-making praised Mr. Speaker. He said that he was in the trade union movement. I have never a very learned Speaker for allowing us to been able to ascertain just where the Strike in Electricity Industry [4 DECEMBER 1979] Supply (Resolutions) 2209 decisi

ADOPTION OF RESOLUTIONS "6) That, towards making good the The Resolutions being taken as read- Supply granted to Her Majesty, on account, for the service of the year 1980-1981, a Hon. L. R. EDWARDS (Ipswich-Deputy sum not exceeding $50,000,000 be granted Premier and Treasurer): I move- from the moneys standing to the credit of "That the Resolutions be now agreed the Loan Fund." to." Motion agreed to. Motion agreed to. Resolutions reported, received, and agreed to.

WAYS AND MEANS APPROPRIATION BILL (No. 2) OPENING OF COMMITTEE (Mr. Kaus, Mansfield, in the chair) FIRST READING A Bill, founded on the Resolutions H~n. L. R. EDWARDS (Ipswich-Deputy reported from the Committee of Ways and Premier and Treasurer): I move- Means, was introduced and read a first time. "(a) That, towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty, for the service of the year 1979-1980, a further SECOND READING sum not exceeding $1,158,831,362 be Hon. L. R. EDWARDS (Ipswich~Deputy granted from the Consolidated Revenue Premier and Treasurer) (7.23 p.m.): I move­ Fund of Queensland exclusive of the moneys standing to the credit of the Loan "That the Bill be now read a second Fund. time." "(b) That, towards making good the This Bill is the second and final Appropria­ Supply granted to Her Majesty, for the tion Bill for the current financial year. It service of the year 1979-1980, a further seeks parliamentary approval to cover sum not exceeding $1,221,754,284 be expenditure included in the Budget Estim­ granted from the Trust and Special Funds. ates for this year, unforseen expenditure "(c) That, towards making good the incurred during 1978-79 and expenditure for Supply granted to Her Majesty, for the the first two months of the financial year service of the year 1979-1980, a further 1980-81 to maintain Government activities sum not exceeding $139,129,810 be granted until further Supply can be granted. from the moneys st•anding to the credit of An amount of $4,404.7 million is provided the Loan Fund. for 1979-80 to cover anticipated expenditures "(d) That, towards making good the for Supply services from the Consolidated Supply granted to Her Majesty, for the Revenue Fund, Trust and Special Funds service of the year 1978-1979, a supple­ and the Loan Fund and represents the mentary sum not exceeding $87,478,498 total of Parts Ill, IV and V of the schedule be granted from the Consolidated Revenue to this Bill. Fund of Queensland exclusive of the The amount represents the appropriation moneys standing to the credit of the Loan for the full 1979-80 financial year, apart Fund. from $184.5 million a;ppropriated under "(e) That, towards making good the specific Acts for special secvi·ces and ~hown Supply granted to Her Majesty, for the in Parts I and II of the schedule to the Bill. service of the year 1978-1979, a supple­ mentary sum not exceeding $71,316,244 lt also incorporates the amount of be granted from the Trust and Special $662 million for Supply services appropriated Funds. in the Appropriation Act 1978-79 (No. 2) and the funther amount of $1,223 million "(f) That, towards making good the appropriated in the Appropriation Ad Supply granted to Her Majesty, for the service of the year 1978-1979, a supple­ 1979-80 (No. 1), which was assented to on mentary sum not exceeding $10,513,500 10 August to provide for Government ser­ be granted from the moneys standing to vices until the passing of this Bill. the credit of the Loan Fund. Unforseen expenditure for 1978-79, totall­ "(g) ,That, towards making good the ing $169.3 million is also inco.rporated in the Supply granted to qer Majesty, on account Bill. This amount had Executive authority for the service of the year 1980-1981 ~ hut now requires parliamentary approval. sum not exceeding $350,000,000 be gran'ted Full details of this amount are set out from the Consolidated Revenue Fund of in Parts VT, VII and Villi of the schedule Queensland exclusive of the moneys stand­ to this Bill. ing to the credit of the Loan Fund. The Bill also provides for an amount of "(h) That, towards making good the $770 mi1:1ion to provide Supply for the Con­ Supply granted to Her Majesty, on solidated Revenue Fund, the Trust and account, for the service of the year 1980- Special Funds and Loan Fund for the first 1981, a sum not exceeding $370,000,000 two months of the financial year 1980-81. be granted from the Trust and Special Adequate provision has been allowed to Funds. cover cost escalations in the interim period. Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2211

As has been the practice in the past, I Given both the magnitude of the sums would like to use this opportunity to speak and the principle involved, I intend to raise briefly to the House on a matter of con­ this matter at the forthcoming Premiers' siderable financial importance to this State. Conference later this week. It is my hope Under an anomaly in the tax-sharing arrange­ that the Commonwealth will modify its ments, Queensland is being greatly disad­ current intransigence on this issue and that vantaged with respect to the other States. Queensland's relativity will be restored to its rightful level. Prior to the introduction of the current tax-sharing arrangements, Commonwealth The other matter I wish to mention very general purpose revenue was distributed to briefly is the decision taken by the Govern­ the States by the financial assistance grant ment, in the light of its Budget formulation, formula. This took account of population to reduce the number of working hours for growth, wage increases and a betterment teacher aides within the Education appropria­ factor. Over the years, Queensland's position tion. The Government made a decision, quite under this formula was significantly eroded deliberately, that it would review the whole by population under-estimations. The 1976 of the expenditure of the Education Depart­ census revealed that the under-estimation ment and its activities and that, if any for Queensland was 3.93 per cent in the savings could be made within the depart­ period 31 December 1970 to 31 December ment's appropriations, then every effort 1977, compared to the average of 1.65 per would be macde to retain the services of cent for the other five States. teacher aides at the present level. We have been able to achieve that. While the new tax-sharing arrangements Also, as a result of our being able to take account of the new population figures, make further appropriations, I am able to thus correcting the relativities between States, announce, as I did yesterday, that Cabinet they also provide for a "guarantee" by which has decided that the working hours for no State will receive less under the new teacher aides will not be reduced and that tax-sharing arrangements than it would have the principle of new working hours and under the old financial assistance grant entitlements will be applied in the future formula. when new teacher aides, janitors, grounds­ Unfortunately, the basis on which Queens­ men, etc., are employed. I believe that this land's guarantee has been calculated has not move will be welcomed by all people in tbe taken into account the effects of the statis­ community. I wish to pay a tribute to my tician's under-estimates of Queensland's colleague the Minister for Education for his population. The guarantee calculated for co-operation in this matter. Queensland thus retains the old incorrect I commend the Bill to the House. relativities. Queensland is therefore offered a much lesser degree of protection under Mr. HOUSTON (Bulimba) (7.29 p.m.): the guarantee arrangements than are the This Bill gives the Treasurer of the State other States. an opportunity to talk on matters of great purpose and interest to the State as a whole. As I indicated when introducing the I was rather surprised that the Treasurer Budget, this will mean that Queensland will sought only to restate what he had already receive approximately $22,500,000 less than stated in his Budget speech, that is, that the our just entitlement in 1979-80. This is in Liberal/Country Party Commonwealth Gov­ addition to the $12,800,000 that this anomaly ernment had refused to listen to him and cost Queensland in 1978-79. to previous Treasurers when they complained about the formula. It is a matter of continuing regret to the Queensland Government that the Common­ Mr. Frawley: Do you want him to have wealth seems unwilling to correct so glaring verbal diarrhoea? an anomaly that is to this State's disad­ vantage. The Commonwealth's response­ Mr. HOUSTON: No, I would like him that, as Queensland is a claimant State, the to talk on matters that concern the State. matter should be resolved before the Grants Commission-is quite unsatisfactory. Not Dr. Edwards: If you had read the Budget only do we not believe the Grants Com­ speech-- mission to be the appropriate place to com­ pensate for this anomaly but, as the processes Mr. HOUSTON: I not only read it, I of the Grants Commission operate, it can paid the Treasurer the courtesy of listening mean a two-year delay in receiving our just to it. I must say that is more than the entitlement. Premier and he did to my reply. The Queensland Government is seeking Dr. Edwards: You know the Premier was a simple adjustment to the financial assistance ill that day. grant formula-an adjustment that would increase Queensland's guarantee so that it Mr. HOUSTON: That is the first time will bear the same relativity to its share of I have been told. I am sorry that he was the tax pool as is the case with New South ill, but he w:~s not ill today when he missed Wales. This is itself slightly lower than the the vote on his own motion. He cannot all States' average excluding Queensland. have it both ways. 2212 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

The Budget is a reflection on the Govern­ the news media as a whole is relied on very ment of the day. This Government is now heavily to report the activities of this Par­ 22 years in office and a study of its Budgets liament to the general community so that over the years indicates that it lives from debate can take place in public and also day to day. That is something that has so that the public can let Ministers or happened over the years. Some of the members of the Parliament know their earlier Budgets whose introduction I heard opinions. were long-range Budgets-forecast Budgets. There have been two recent examples of They were Budgets of initiative that the that. The first was at the time of the amend­ Government hoped would help carry on pro­ ment to the Justices Act. The news media jects for years. But of latter years, particu­ to{)k this up and gave the people information larly with the present Budget, which was that they would not have been aware of but passed by virtue of the Government's for the news media itself. Irrespective of numbers, there have been day-to-day Budgets. what some eminent person may &ay about The Government lives by political oppor­ any piece of legislation, if it was not taken tunism, not by long-range planning. The up by the news media the public would statement today by the Minister for Mines, not be aware of it. Energy and Police on the power dispute is a clear example of the way in which the Then there was the statement tonight by Government tries to seize every opportunity the Treasurer about the Education Depart­ to take the mind of the public away from the ment and Cabinet's decision on teacher aides. Government's incompetence and lack of fore­ I am sure that that decision was greatly sight. Over the years this Government has influenced by the media coverage of the been one to boast of future actions and reduction in teacher aides. It is significant hope that something will happen to bring th3!t the media featured only the reduction those boasts to fruition. It actually exists in teacher aides. In the original and foll{)w­ on other people's planning and actions. In up stories, the reductions affecting secondary fact, in many cases it then turns around schools, groundsmen, cleaners and others ~nd bites. the hand that feeds it. Actually, included in the original Government decision 1t stays m power because the news media were not featured. does not sufficiently report its incompetence Dr. Edwards: They were not in the orig­ and its tiredness in operation. inal decision. In the Budget I said that we Dr. Edwards: That is a bit unfair to the would undertake a review. media. Mr. HOUSTON: I am talking of the Mr. HOUSTON: They went out to schools. media as a whole. If the Treasurer listens The schools have known of these things for for a while, I will give him some examples. quite some time. The media does not report the waffling and Dr. Edwards: Following a review. inability of Ministers to answer questions. Would the Treasurer deny the fact that Mr. HOUSTON: I am not endeavouring quite often in this House questions asked in any way to mislead the House or the by the Opposition are not answered? The Treasurer, but I am saying to him that the Opposition often gets some kind of a waf­ news media took up the case of teacher fling answer. In fact, the only questions aides but did not do so to the same extent without notice that are answered and then for other Educaii{)n Department emplQyees. reported to the public are those of the Doro­ The Treasurer and his Government have thy Dix type that the Government itself changed only that part of education spend­ arranges. The news media does not report ing cuts to which the news media gaYe the challenges to ministerial statements. Of prominence. I will deal with that later in course, this House is unique in that a Minis­ ter can ask leave of the House to make more detail. a ministerial st,atement. Once he makes I want to devote some time to the types that statement, the news media have copies of completely misleading answers to ques­ of it and no opportunity is given to the tions that we are given in this House. On Opposition, or anyone else for that matter, 27 November 1979 the Premier was asked to dispute the validity or accuracy of that this question without notice by Mr. Bertoni- statement, or whether it is in the public "Is he aware of the A.L.P.'s electoral interest. As far as the public is concerned, redistribution proposals based on the it is completely one-sided. principle of one vote, one value? Would When there is a Parliament that operates the implementation of such a proposal as this one does, the news media has a slash the representation of rural Queens­ tremendous responsibility to inform the people landers in this Parliament? What would be of what happens here. Far too often one the overall effect of the proposal if it were reads in the Press stories about amusing implemented?" incidents or statements that are critical of someone. However, I think the public really That is a typical, good old Dorothy Dix wants to know what is going on in our question. In usual form, the Premier said State and what the Government is doing. that he was amazed that the Leader of Unfortunately, in a democracy such as ours the Opposition would talk about one vote, Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2213 one value. I do not wish to go into that The point that I wish to emphasise is in detail, but I do refer to this part of the that the Minister said in his answer- Premier's answer- . "Long before the Leader of the Opposi­ "However, quite apart from that, I twn rais~ the drug question in the House, believe that the people of the inland areas the Police Department of Queensland, are fully informed of the A.L.P.'s attitude including the Drug Squad, had been very to the elimination of death duty and gift active in North Queensland in trying to duty. It intends to reintroduce those duties. search out and destroy the growing and As well it intends to implement other distribution of drugs in that area." policies that would have a detrimental He made no mention of the aeroplanes, the effect on the people who live in our inland boats, or the foreign drugs coming into this areas." State. However, he continued his answer That is a completely untrue statement. The by trying to castigate the Leader of the Premier just plucked it out of the air. He Opposition, and he used these words, which made the statement in this House as the I believe would be very offensive to any Premier of the State. It is a completely Queenslander and, in particular, to any untrue statement-yet the news media did member of this Assembly- no·t pick it up at all or, if they did, they "Judging by some of the statements of thought it was of little significance. It is members of the Opposition, one would not the issue itself that matters so very think that they are the cohorts of the much: iot is the deliberate attempt of the criminals in opposing the Police Force Premier of this State to mislead Parliament in Queensland." and, consequently, to mislead the people What a complete denial of justice and fair of this State. I can emphatically deny that p1ay that is! the Labor Party intends, or ever intended to reintroduce death duties or gift duty. That Mr. Wright: The Premier went on to is the type of answer to questions we aet name some members of the Opposition as from the Premier. "' if they were involved in drug-running. It was all lies. Another example is the answer given by the Honour1!1ble R. E. Camm, Minister for Mr. HOUSTON: That is the point. ParHa­ Mines, Energy and Police, in reply to this ment is supposed to be a responsible body question without notice by the Leader of in which meaningful debate takes place. the Opposition- Let us look, Mr. Speaker, at what the "! refer to last night's debate on the Drug Squad in North Queensland, about drug issue and the matters that were raised which the Minister for Mines, Energy and by me during that debate, and po·int out Police was so intent on boasting, comprises. that the Federal Department of Transport The report of the Commissioner of Police has already initiated an inquiry into certain states- air activities with drug implications in the "The Drug Squad is presently corn­ Cairns and Cape York areas. I now ask: prised of 27 officers and has responsibility Have similar investigations been started for the inve~tigation of drug offences today by the State Police Depal'tment and throughout the State." will the Minister now take steps, in view of the intense drug activity in the North, to Twenty-seven officers! H the Treasurer have a branch of the Drug Squad estab­ wishes to put money to good use, I suggest lished in Cairns?" that he should make many, many thousands of dollars available to the Police Depart­ Surely that question implies that the Opposi­ ment. tion was referring to the importation of narcotics and other dangerous drugs from Dr. Edwards: We are providing for an overseas. I think that would be a fair additional 300 police over the next two interpretation of the question. years. The Minister for Mines, Energy and Police Mr. HOUSTON: I am pleased that the gave a long ans.wer, telling honourable mem­ Treasurer is interested and has raised that bers what a great job the Police Force is point. One of the things wrong with the doing, and suggesting that the Opposition Government is that it is hitting and missing, is more interested in criminals than in the and it cannot afford to hit and miss the police, which, again, is completely untrue. drug situation. It must take positive action H is an answer by a Minister in this Parlia­ to stamp it out in every shape and form. ment, and I am showing how the Parliament It certainly will not be stamped out when can come into disrepute because of the the Government relies on only 27 eJCperts. answers given to questions. Surely the first I am aware that the Minister for Mines, thing that we ought to demand of our Energy and Police said in replying to the Ministers is that they give truthful answers question to which I referred earlier that and do not introduce into them other every policeman is doing his duty in that matters that have no association with the respect. I do not dispute that. However, question. Only by doing that will the it must be remembered that the police are standing of this Assembly be raised in the not operating against amateurs or children minds of the public. who are out of work and who break into 2214 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) a house. They are operating against world­ Police claims a 100 per cent clear-up rate. wide, professional organisations. To have Mt. Isa had 26 offences and 146 were only 27 officers on that type of work is reported in the Townsville area. ridiculous, and that situation should not be I am not knocking the policemen or allowed to continue. policewomen. They are severely handicapped My first suggestion to the Treasurer is in doing their job. They suffer from lack that some of the millions of dollars he of training and lack of numbers. The fact has put aside-and I am sure that he will is, however, that dmg"trafficking is going not deny that he has put aside quite a few on. miilion dollars to cover possible increases Again I make a call to have more police in salaries and wages under Public Sevvice employed, not on the occ~ions o:f street awards-should be used now. He should marches or rallies, but m fightmg the not wait till election•time and then announce criminal element. The cniminal careers of a big works programme, as his predecessors many persons begin when they are yo~g. did. I say that the Treasurer is a faithful At a comparatively early age they decide servant and he is following the lead set by to steal something that they value. Unfor­ his predecessors. However, I urge him tunately the opportunity is there. It is well to use that money now and to get on with known that it is handed down from one the job of increasing the Police Force. person to another th~t bhe chan~e of getting caught for ~reakmg ~nd enten:n~ of I note his comment 1Jhat he will increase dweUings is very shght. While the .Mmister the Police Fiorce by 320 personnel, or 8 per in charge of police, through the Pohce Com­ cent, over the neX't two years. But why missioner's report, was very happy to boast wait nwo years? I know that it takes time that 52 per cent of cnimes wer~ clear~d up, to train police officers. Surely, however, in he did not emphasise (and netther d1d the uhe community there are sufficient yuung news media) that the clear~up rate for people who could be trained quickly to do breaking and entering of dwelhngs was only many of the less-fashionable but neverthe­ 19 per cent. In other words, of 8,381 .such less essential jobs in the Police Force, leav­ crimes reported, only 1,611 could be claimed ing the more eXJperienced officers to get on to be cleared up successfuJly. The clear-up with combating the drug problem. If thrut rate for the breaking and entering of shops were done, the Treasurer would not have was a little better. Of 3,126 reported cases to wait !Jwo years before he could attain 966 or 30 per cent of such cases, were his btcrease of 320 police officers. clea'red up. For other premises, the.re were 'I take it that the Treasurer is basing the 6 391 repoDted breaking and entenngs, of number of 320 on the fact that, if the ~hich 1,682 or 26 per cent were cleared up. Police Superannuation Acts Amendment The Opposition will be pleased to support a Bill becomes law in the near future, a sub­ deliberate development programme to stantial number of senior expenienced police increase the number of men and . wom~n officers will decide to take advan~age of its in the Police Force and imi?r~>Ve their tram­ provisions and retire early. I have no quarrel ing. That is one way of gJVmg. many good with that at all. If the Treasurer has !Jhat young Queenslanders a professi?nal . oppor­ in mind, he should set about training the tunity and, at the same time, It w:II help successors to those police officers in combat­ to reduce the minor offence of breakmg a~d ing the drug problem. entering of dwellings which, in tur!l, will I notice from the Police Department's prevent many young people from takmg the repo11t that a total of 3,598 drug offences road of no return to criminal activity. were reported in this State in the year In referring to the speech mad~ by the under reVIiew. Allthough the report gives Minister for Mines, Energy and Police when that number, it does not pretend, nor should presenting his Estimate~, I wish to refer irt pretend, that that is the total number of particularly to his boastmg aJ:o!-lt the Gov­ drug offences that were comm~tted. T!ha,t ernment's activities in the mmmg field ..In number represents the number of which the making his comments, he went back _P~JOr poLice were aware. Of that number, 3,592 to 1957. When talking about coal mmmg, are classified as having been cleared. As I he said that prior to 1957 there were no said the other night, the Minister for Police exports of coking coal. That is quite t~ue. claims that the clear-up rate was 100 per No-one would deny it. In fact, at that time cent. That was tota,lly misleading. It is there were no buyers; prior to 1957 no-one easy for a police officer to arrest a persnn was interested in buying coking coal. But for a drug offence and then claim that he the Minister did not tell us that the first has cleared up the case. What about the real coal agreement with Japan for the thousands of other people who use drugs sale of coking coal, which was announced and who have not been broug1ht to the with a great fanfare by the Government, notice of police or arrested? was in 1962. It took the Government five In rep1y to the question, the Minister years to do anything about it. made out that North Queensland receives The Minister for Mines, Energy and special attention. Of the 3,598 recorded Police also said that, under Labor, we received offences, only 339 occurred in North Queens­ virtually nothing for our coal. I make the land, including Cairns, Innisfail and Mareeba. point again that there were no coal exports. Again it is significant that the Minister for The coal mined in Queensland was used Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2215

mainly by public utilities. It was used to $6,000,000. At that time, the Mines Depart­ manufacture gas and operate our railway ment expenditure amounted to $6,000,000. system and power-houses. Would the present The State's total mining income from all Government expect any Government, particu­ mining, including coal and land rents, larly a Labor Government, to impose high returned $6,114,000 and the Mines Depart­ royalties on coal used by public amenities? ment was costing $6,000,000. What a great profit! And plenty of propaganda was going Mr. Bourke: Would you say that we had a out. It was not until 1974-75 that we obtained steam-train economy? a substantial return. It increased from Mr. HOUSTON: We had an economy that $6,000,000 to $36,944,000. was very buoyant. The coalition Govern­ Mr. Fraw!ey: What are you complaining ment was indeed fortunate to come to power about? at that time. All the groundwork had been done. All the hard slogging had been done. Mr. HOUSTON: I am not complaining. All this Government had to do was carry I am pointing out how the Government is on. It did just that for a few years while prepared to sell out our assets. the results of our planning lasted. In later years the Government fell by the wayside. How did the Government achieve that If it had not been for issues completely out­ enormous increase? It was attributable to one side the Government's control, we would be person whose name is used so often by in a very sorry state today. Government members, but not in the correct manner. Whitlam decided to impose an At that time the royalty on the first export levy on coal. This Government million tons was 6d or 5c a ton. For all immediately increased its royalty on coal production after that, the royalty was 3d or from 5c to $1 a ton. It did that overnight. 2c a ton. But the coal, particularly after That is how it got $36,944,000. It was the first million tons, was used for rail trans­ only because Whitlam, through the Federal port, gas conversion or electricity production. Parliament, decided to show this Government It would have been completely wrong to that Australians were at least going to get charge excessively high royalties on coal something out of the natural wealth of used for those purposes. The Minister did Australia. And they did get something out not convey the true situation. He tried to give of it. the idea that the Labor Government was giving coal away. That particular year was a good year for income, because we received $36,944,000 Mr. Moore: You couldn't even give it from mining royalties and land rents and away; that's how bad it was. the Mines D~partment cost $7,S80,000. That is not a bad return. Mter all, the Mines Mr. HOUSTON: We were not giving it Department has many important things to away. We were using it in this State, as the do, including looking for other fields and honourable member knows. the safety of mines. Of course, the Treasurer After all, it took this Government until knows that last year this State received an 1962 to negotiate its first agreement for the income of $S7,347,000 from mineral royal­ export of coal. What did it charge? It must ties and land rents, and the Mines Depart­ not be forgotten that that was five years ment co~t just over $10,000,000. after the change of Government. This Government charged the magnificent royalty Mr. Frawley: That is not a bad profit. of Se a ton. That is all it charged the Japanese. That is the same rate of royalty Mr. HOUSTON: It could have, and should that we were charging our own users. have, been more if the Government of the day had not sold out our State so cheaply. That was one of the great sell-outs by this Government. It started the pattern of Mr. Frawley: Under your Government, it doing everything that this Government can would have been nothing. to encourage foreigners to take our wealth. Look at the profits that are being made and Mr. HOUSTON: That is a completely will continue to be made out of our natural erroneous supposition, as I have shOiWil. resources. Very little stays in this nation. I now deal with anO'ther Minister, the More and more of it is being exported Minister for Industry and Administrative overseas. Under the agreement entered into Services. Agwin, he made big claims in the by this Government, the royalty could not news media uhat Queensland is going ahead be renewed until the year 2001. In 1962 in leaps and bounds; so much so that 60 this Government bound the State to Se a ton /South Australian firms have mov,ed to until 2001. Queensland in the last few years. That In 1973-74, the State's total mining income, is fair enough. But if the Minister is going including that from Mt. Isa, amounted to to make a statement, surely he should check just over $6,000,000. Mt. Isa, which the out the facts. Surely he would be able to Government boasts about, was established find out from someone in a responsible because of the faith that the Labor Govern­ position the names of the firms, what they ment had in a Queensland company. How are doing here and where they are located. many Queensland companies are operating I believe that the Minister plucked the figure today? As I said, in 1973-74, the total out of the air, like other MiniSlters have done mining income amounted to just over in this House. 2216 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

When I asked him a question about this that a company is taken over does not rest matter, the said- just there. Of course, the honourable mem­ "I do not see any good purpose being ber for Lytton has mentioned Provincial served by oompiJing a dossier along the Traders Holding Ltd. and other companies. lines suggested by the honourable mem­ Not only are there take-overs of retail ber." establishments. Dozens of other take-overs I did not ask for a dossier; I only asked have affected companies such as those at him to justify the statement that he had Mt. Morgan, Blair Athol Coal and Timber made. Of course, ~t is quite significant Co. Ltd., Blair Athol Open Cut Collieries that the Minffiter who should be encouraging Ltd. and other companies involved in coal­ companies to come here, stay here and look mining. Those are the types of operations a£ter our interests has been so very silent that are lost to the State. It is not only in recent times about the take-overs that the jobs of those who were working there have been occurring in this State and are that are lost when these take-overs occur. doing tremendous damage to it. I do not The companies introduce what may be termed want to interfere with tlhe free progress of modernised methods, but the resul.t always IS private industry. I go along with the state­ that fewer employees are needed. More mach­ ments that some Ministers have made­ ines and more computers are claimed to rep­ perhaps they have made them anonymously, resent technological advancement, but it is but they have been reported as making them progress at the expense of the work-force. -that they bdieve that some action should ·I am surprised that the Minister for Industry be taken to make sure that our people and Administrative Services did not come are not badly affected by take-overs. It wiJl up with arguments and seek support to be interesting to see if, at some future time, stop these things going on. It ~11 . be the Government takes some positive action interesting to see the type of legiSlatiOn in this regard. I know that Minis·ters beat that is introduced. their breasts and say a lot of things. There was a typical example of this when the As I said at the outset, this Government Thiess organisation looked like being taken has Jived from day to day. In other words, over. Special legislation was going to be it has fired from the hip. If there was put througih, but it never saw the l'ight of something that it hoped would take publi.c day. attention away from its own problems, 1t would have a shot at it. Dr. Edwards: Would you have supported the legislation? Let us have a look at some of the tax cuts that the Government ha:s brought in­ not, I am sure, with any great foresight Mr. HOUSTON: If it had followed the Lines that I wanted, yes. I believe that we or with any great determination to analyse have to protect the jobs of Queenslanders. exactly what effect they would have on the But the f1aot remains that, over the years, State Budget. Death duties, gift duties many take-overs have greatly affected this and succession duties are among the taxes State and its employment opportunities. Let cut. The Premier earlier accused the Labor me take the retail industry for a start. One Party of wanting to reintroduce those taxes. does not have to be very old to remember I assured him, the Government. and the Allan & Starks, the B.C.C. stores, T. C. people of Queensland that that IS not so. Beirnes, Pinney IsJes, John Hicks, But the Opposition can ask the same ques­ McWhirters and Overells. When they tion that the Government asked of Mr. openated here, they employed locrul people Whitlam when he was Prime Minister: Did at the top. Tihey were owned exclusively you go too far too quickly? in Queensland and all the top positJions were Mr. l\1oore: No. hekl by Queens1anders. There were Queens­ landers in all their out[ets. What is more Mr. HOUSTON, Maybe that is so, but impoi1tant, most of the commodities tlh~t the fact remains that the Government did they sold in their shops were made m it. Queensland. Many small firms supplie.d The abolition of transport licences and them with the items that they sold. Their advertis[ng was done in the local news taxes was done to embarrass the New South media by locrul advertising agencies. Wales Labor Government. I am pleased that the honourable member for Windsor One could go on and on talking about supports me in that view. the effect that these take-overs have. In fact, now the local people cannot even Mr. Moore: On half of your statement. make decisions; the matters have to be Mr. HOUSTON: He accepts that part. referred to the South. If one goes to some Of course he does. When it comes to that companies, not only those I mentioned but type of thing, I JQnow that he is an honest also the others that have been taken over, man. I am not arguing against that. Of and asks for advertising for some sporting course, the Govemment hoped that the organisation or the like, or asks for a don­ Federal Government would pick up the tab. ation of any sizeable amount at all, one is Under the Prime Ministership of Mr. told that the matter will have to be referred Whitlam, the Government was really spoilt. to Melbourne, or to the advertising agent in Sydney or Melbourne. So the mere fact Dr. Edwards: You must be joking! Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2217

Mr. HOUSTON: I am not joking at all. Mr. HOUSTON: No. It is right. I can prove it to the Treasurer. Instead of Strange as it may seem, I completely sup­ allowing propaganda to be the main function port the Treasurer in his attitude towards of his parliamentary career, the Treasurer our receiving additional money because of should do his homework. He would then our population. I do not think he is wrong realise that what I am saying is true. As at all. However, I do believe that he is I said, the most important speeches of the whipping a dead horse. To my knowledge, year for any Treasurer are the Budget the previous Treasurer tried to get some­ speech and his speeches on the Appropriation where with Mr. Fraser and Mr. Howard. He Bills. failed. All I can say to the present Treas­ Mr. Moore: Who said so? urer is, "Good luck. I hope you can suc­ ceed." The additional money will make a Mr. HOUSTON: I am saying so, because difference. When he gets it, there will surely it is the finances of the State that make be plenty of people to tell him how to it go. Without money, the State cannot spend it. operate. If the money is not spent wisely, it is wasted. I return to my claim that the Whitlam Government was a generous Government to Dr. Edwards: You could not really call this State. Firstly, I deal with the railway Whitlam a good manager, could you? electrification programme that this Govern­ ment so unfortunately stopped in the 1960s. Mr. HOUSTON: I am telling the Treasurer In 1957 it was under way. It was a reality that Mr. Whitlam was very generous to the of life. By the end of the 1960s, we would States. If the Treasurer will listen, I will have had an electrified suburban railway prove it to him. The Treasurer can reply system running right throughout Brisbane later on, if he wishes. Mr. Whitlam was a to Ipswich, to Lota and up to the North lot more generous than Mr. Fraser is. Will Coast. the Treasurer deny that Mr. Fraser has already suggested that the current guaran­ Mr. Moore: It was a D.C. system. We teed formula is too generous? Will he deny would have had to replace it. that that is factual comment? But for the Whitlam formula, we would be down Mr. HOUSTON: Perhaps technology has $44,600,000 from the Commonwealth th!s changed, but that change could be made financial year. If he has a look at his without changing a whole system. figures, as I am sure the Treasurer has done Mr. Moore: We would have had to change many times, he will realise that that is a from D.C. to A.C. fact. I meant to point out to the Treasurer Mr. HOUSTON: I know the difference during the Budget debate that on page 11 be'tween A.C. and D.C.-and it's got nothing of his tables relating to the Financial State­ to do with gmwing hair or anything like ment he omitted three noughts in Table 5. that. I think most people would understand what When this Government made its decision is meant. According to that table and to to change, it did so in the belief tha~ dieselisa­ the entitlement distributed, Queensland tion was the thing for submban railways. It would be entitled to $903,200,000; but, was told at the time that that was ridiculous. because of the amount guaranteed under Many people in this House, including me, the financial assistance grants formula, we told the Government that it would regret will receive $947,800,000---not a bad sum. the day that it made the dieselisation deci~­ In his speech the Treasurer complained ion, because it was obvious that the Oil about an additional $23,000,000 he believes barons would not let the Western World he is entitled to. What I am saying is that forever get oil and petrol at the price then Mr. Whitlam's base formula is giving this being asked. Anyone at all interested in State $44,600,000 more. world affairs and the development of coun­ Dr. Edwards: You are saying Queensland tries knew that. is on the Whitlam formula? Mr. Moore: What did you say about it? Mr. HOUSTON: I am not saying that. Mr. HOUSTON: I said that, as "Han­ What I am saying is that, if the table for­ sard" will show. mula is followed strictly, Queensland's entitlement would be $903,200,000; but, In this State we had such an abundance because of the other formula, we will receive of steaming coal that we could have had that additional amount. powerhouses on every known coalfield. How­ ever, it was this Government's dec_ision not Dr. Edwards: I will say a bit more about to proceed. It was Labor Party policy State­ that later. wide from that day on to reintroduce elec­ Mr. HOUSTON: The Treasurer can do trification as soon as it became the State that, but I have made my statement based Government. It was the La:bor Party in this on the Treasurer's own figures. State that persuaded Gough Whitlam and his Government to get on with the job here. Mr. Moore: Have another look at that, It was that money that was available to Jack. I think you've made a mistake. this State Government. 2218 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

Dr. Edwards: What happened to the of thanks to the Labor Government in Can­ money they promised? berra, but there were many attacks on it on other issues. Mr. HOUSTON: Most of it was available. The Treasurer should not forget that it was Let me turn to the hospitals programme. his colleagues-! do not say the Minister How often were new hospitals promised personally, because he was in the health because of the decision of the Federal Gov­ field-who would rise in this Chamber and ernment to make money available? Today, publicly abuse the Whitlam Government. How the people of this State are still waiting for often did the Minister for Local Govern­ the four hospitals promised by the Govern­ ment and Main Roads rise in his place in ment during the last State election campaign. the Chamber and yell and scream about the If there is one thing that is badly needed Federal Government wasting money? Will the it is new hospitals. Treasurer deny that it was Federal Govern­ No-one has ever criticised the Govern­ ment money and Federal initiative that made ment for speaking about development pro­ it possible? grammes, especially in the fields of education How many millions of dollars has the and health. The criticism voiced by the Government saved because of the funds Opposition is that the Government is not made available directly to local authorities delivering the goods. It promises a great by the Whitlam Government? The situation deal, but that is as far as it goes. It refers is similar in the field of education. to the lack of Federal money and the tight economic situation. As a former Minister Dr. Edwards: Rubbish! for Health, the Treasurer knows full well that, because of the breakdown in the Medi­ Mr. HOUSTON: The honourable gentle­ bank system, many more people are going to man can say "Rubbish!" as much as he public hospitals and a tremendous burden wishes. The facts are there. How much is being imposed on the out-patient depart­ money went directly to local authorities before ments at the few hospitals that are avail­ the Whitlam era? able. Dr. Edwards: The State has not reduced On the Treasurer's trip overseas seeking its commitment. loan money-- Mr. HOUSTON: I did not say that it had. Mr. Mackenroth: Which one? That is what honourable members opposite tend to do. Mr. HOUSTON: I am referring to the one Dr. Edwards: You said it saved the State to Japan. I hope that the Treasurer obtains money. additional loan money, because the State certainly needs it. He should ensure that it Mr. HOUSTON: It did save the State is not used to send Ministers on pre-retire­ money. Does the Minister think that if the ment trips round the world. He should ensure Federal Government had not assisted local that it is used to build hopsitals so that authorities as they are being assisted now, people may attend a hospital close to where local authorities could have survived with­ they live. That will not only save them a out further State money? Surely that is great deal of money in taxi fares but also logical. I did not say that the Treasurer had reduce greatly the time they have to wait. In reduced payments to local authorities. If my opinion, to ask people to support the he had done that, I certainly would have Government in the electorates in which been complaining about it. The fact remains it promised to build hospitals but did not that the State Government has saved money deliver the goods is a very cheap political because, under the system now operating, trick. local authorities cannot function purely by I no.w want to refer to spending on relying on rate revenue. education. The Treasurer has now come Let us look at spending on education. up with tlhe idea of retaJrring teacher aides. Honourable members will recall the Govern­ Perhaps the Government has suddenly ment's boast that it was going to develop rewlised that an election is to be held next pre-school education and education generally. year and that this would not be an It did that, but a big percentage of the appropriate t:ime to decrease the number of money needed came from the Federal Gov­ teadher aides. However, v.lill it cost ernment. Once there was a reduction in $6,500,000 to retain teacher aides? After Federal moneys available to this State for all, uhat is the figure quoted by the Minister education, the Government found itself in for Educa!tion as being the shortfall! in the trouble in the field of education. education allocation. What about the other services that will be cut out? What about When I knew that the Federal Govern­ the janitors? ment was making substantial sums of money available to this State for education, it Dr. Edwards: No, we are not. I have always annoyed me to read what was put told you what we are doing. out by the State Government's propaganda machine and to see Government members Mr. HOUSTON: If a janitor retires, he going to schools, opening new buildings and will not be replaced by a full-time janitor. talking about the Government's great spend­ That wihl happen in certain schools; is that ing on education. There was not one word true? Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2219

Dr. Edwards: In some schools. when the school-leavers come onto the labour market? Up will go the number again, and Mr. HOUSTON: That is true. Why deny 'it will be higher than last year's number. it? At present, there is a shortage of trades­ Mr. Moore: You said in all schools. It's men. Most of the advertisements in the one of the most important positions in the "Positions vacant" columns call for qualified schools. tradesmen. Year wfter year, particularly when I was responsible more for the indus­ Mr. HOUSTON: I agree with the honour­ tr,ia[ and education aspects of the Opposi­ able member. The Government is adopting tion's role, I made speech after speech a pinch-penny attitude and saying that it pleading with the Government to encourage will cut down on services. employers to take on more apprentices. My Mr. Moore: I don't mind that, as long colleagues have made similar pleas since. Yet, as they don't get rid of the janitor. at present we are faced with a shortage of tradesmen, and that shortage has been Mr. HOUSTON: In schoo[s there are created by the Government's inability to do other persons employed whose services its job. It is up to the Government to train should be retained, too. It all goes to quality apprentices. 01f education. Trained teachers are specialists I warn employers that if they do not train and they should not be required to do the apprentices-! do not agree with all the janitor's work. Years of training are required before a teacher becomes proficient. nonsense about it costing employers money­ our nation will be in trouble. If an employer I can wcll remember the Government's is capable of training apprentices properly propaganda before former State elections. they will be an asset to him. I do not agree It claimed that it W10uld aJPpoint fuH-time that an apprentice is a liability to an janitors, fu11-time groundsmen, full-time employer. It is a matter of proper super­ secretaries and fuU-time adm'inistration vision and training. Over the years I have officers. What has happened? As soon as trained hundreds of them. the Federa[ Government tightens the purse­ strings, this Government loses its initiat,ive It is shocking, in our young State, that thousands of young, middle-aged and elderly and sends out memorandums to ~chool prin­ cipaJs stating that certain procedures are to people who want to work, cannot get a job. be followed. The fact is that in many The Government must take the initiative. instances the persons who retir,e will be It must get on with the job of building replaced not by full-time employees but by hospitals, which would provide work for parHime employees. That is not good quite a number of people. It must get on enough. with rail electrification and with the job of building the bridge in the lower reaches I have drawn to the attention of the of the river. Such initiatives to help provide Treasurer some of the matters that I bdieve employment would be taken by a progressive are of importance in relation to the State's Government. Jobs must be created to give financial position. I wou1d be remiss if I the people more spending power, which would sat down without mentioning the most be self-generating and help us get back onto serious problem confronting all State Gov­ the road to prosperity. ernments in Australia, that is, unemploy­ ment. Mr. K. J. HOOPER (Archerfield) (8.26 H is quite strange to see the number of p.m.): In rising to speak to this Appropriation jobs listed in the "Positions vacant" columns Bill I think it timely to make some comment df the newspapers. From the statistics of on the value for money we receive from the number of persons who are out of work, the judicial system. I honestly do not think it is a,pparent that tlhe majonit'Y of we are getting value for money in Queens­ unemployed persons have no chance in the land. The Queensland Supreme Court is immediate future of finding a job, let alone regarded widely as being extremely con­ a worthwhile job. servative. Its honesty and integrity have Mr. Scott: On the Government side of never been questioned but, unfortunately, the House they don't care, either. I am not over-impressed with the perform­ ance of the District Court. That opinion is Mr. HOUSTON: Of course they don',t. shared by many members of the legal pro­ If they cared, they would take action instead fession. The calibre of some members of merely talk,jng about it. of the Bench is not very high. Their legal Dr. Edwards: Haven't you read about the expertise leaves ,a lot to be desired. $98,200,000 addibional funds? Recently, one senior member of the legal profession told me that, in his opinion, one Mr. HOUSTON: AU we hear is a lot of the present incumbents would be hard of talk. The statistics show that the number pressed to do a simple conveyancing job. of people out of work is increasing. While discussing the District Court I will Dr. Edwards: It's a decreasing rate. mention the results of a recent case heard in that court. I refer to Finance & Com­ Mr. HOUSTON: It is not. A decrease merce Co-operative Society Ltd. and the can be expected at tll'is time, the end of decision of the court in relation to Desmond the year. But what hlllppens early next year Paul O'Shea, Clarence Edward Coulsen, 2220 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

Peter Fleming and Hugh Gemrd Carron. Two person could afford to t'ake civil action? Any­ or three weeks ago those four gentlemen way, why should he when fraud has been were charged in the District Court-after a committed and redress can be obtained delay of almost 19 months-for falsifying through a criminal prosecution at, I might a balance sheet. When the balance sheet was add, no cost to the person defrauded? falsified it ruined 2,000 Queensland investors in the company. They will be very fortunate In regard to the silly statement that no indeed to get a return of 10c in the dollar. person was forced, let me say that of course Thanks to smart legal counsel and a very no person was forced. White-collar crooks weak, inexperienced District Court judge they do not act in that way. They use false were fined only $2,000. representations to induce people to purchase their land. Anyway, force is not required As the Treasurer well knows, Desmond to commit an offence under the provisions Paul O'Shea has assets in the vicinity of of section 427 (1) of the Criminal Code. I $10,000,000, but he was fined only $2,000. would have thought that a Police Minister He could have paid the $2,000 out of who claims to be so in touch with the work­ the office boy's petty-cash tin. The whole ings of his department would have known decision was a disgrace to our judicial system. that. Obviously he does not. I suggest that if an ordinary member of the public had been on this charge he As I have pointed out in this House on would have gone to gaol, but because white­ innumerable occasions, if we are to get on collar crooks like Desmond Paul O'Shea top of white-collar crime in this State we can pay the best legal counsel and can need a highly educated, highly competent afford to allow the case to be drawn out Fraud Squad. Unfortunately, this is not so for 12 to 18 months, they get off virtua:lly at present. scot-free. Detective Senior Sergeant Jack Donoghue Last week, when I asked the Minister for was in charge of the Fraud Squad. In my Justice and Attorney-General a question opinion he is a very competent officer and about this matter, he virtually said that the a very good investigator. He was transferred Solicitor-General found that there were no from that squad and placed with internal grounds on which to lodge an appeal. I say investigations for the purpose of investigating to the Attorney-General through you, Mr. stolen-car rackets. I point out also that he Speaker, that the Solicitor-General should is the only senior sergeant on internal have got another opinion. To my mind, when investigations, together with Inspectors he gives such an opinion the Solicitor­ Quinn, Joe Keen, Pat Swan and others. I General is not fit to hold his job. I say regard those officers as highly educated, com­ categorically to the Minister for Justice and petent and efficient officers. Attorney-General that the Crown should have Sergeant 1/c Terry McMahon was left in lodged an appeal against the inadequacy of charge of the Fraud Squad. He is an excep­ the sentence. tionally good officer but he is not quite up As I said in my question, it was a travesty to the standard of Detective Senior Sergeant of justice. The paltry penalty is a serious Donoghue. He was promoted to detective set~back to the Queensland Police Force senior sergeant and transferred on promo~ in its attempts to control the booming white­ tion tv' Ipswich. collar-crime industry in this State. Next to the Hasenkam was promoted to detective senior prostitution racket in Queensland the white­ sergeant and was transferred on promotion collar-crime industry is the fastest-growing from North Queensland to Brisbane. I make industry in this State. The decision given, I it quite clear that he knows nothing about think by Mr. Justice McCracken, gave the fraud. Common sense and good management green light to the white-collar crooks in would have leDt McMahon on the Fraud the State to rip off Queensland consumers Squad. He is an extremely able police to their heart's content. As I have said officer. before on many occasions, this is the fast­ est-growing industry in Queensland. It will The Fraud Squad is now in the charge of continue to be so as long as the Premier Detective Sergeant 1/c King and/or Detective keeps saying that in Queensland we operate Sergeant 1/c Plint. Without denigrating under the dictum of caveat emptor which, in either of these officers, let me state that their plain English, means "Let the buyer beware." fraud experience is almost nil. The plain fact of the matter is that the Fraud Squad The Minister for Mines, Energy and has been, by accident or design, left to Police obviously subscribes to this philosophy stagnate. because, on radio 4BC news on 25 Septem­ ber 1979, he was quoted as saying, "No A capable, experienced and competent person was forced to buy 1and on Russell supervisor would not have let the Deens of Island. No person has taken action." What slave labour camp fame get off scot~free. inane comments from a senior Minister of Brian Maher would not have escaped; the the Crown! Of course no person has taken correct charges would have been laid. I civil action, for the simple reason that the should like to refer briefly to the manner in co9t is so prohibitive. The cost of litigation which Brian Maher was let off. It would in this State has be.come prohibitive for the almost seem that certain members of the ordinary man in the street. What ordinary Police Force let him off on purpose. 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He had the best legal counsel in this State, shows just how hollow his statements were. Des Sturgess, who charges like a wounded The whole tragic result in this State is that bull. Maher was charged at South Brisbane people get fleeced right and left and the afiter I had exposed this white-collar crook's white-collar crooks laugh all the way to the depredations. He was charged under the bank and to their big eX'pensive homes on New South Wales Companies Act. Even a the Gold Coast. person with the limited legal knowledge of During a speech in this House in 1978 the Minister for Justice and Attorney­ I spoke of my concern about the interlocking General would have had more nous than to directorships of the Northern Permanent charge Maher under that Act. Nevertheless Building Society and the building firm of he was charged under that Act. Kern Bros. I will just recap that briefly. He was taken before the Chief Stipendiary Magistrate, Mr. Latchford, who was well Mr. Lee: Did you ever mention building known for having a nervous tummy, par­ societies before? ticularly when Des Sturgess was at the Bar Mr. K. J. HOOPER: The Minister for table. The charge was struck out. I industry and Administrative Services is inter­ expected the Crown to lodge an appeal but jecting. He has probably the most junior no appeal was forthcoming. Obviously Brian portfolio in the whole Cabinet. If ever there Maher is an extremely wealthy man who has was a decent reshuffle of Cabinet, he would contributed quite heavily to the Bjelke­ not be there. Petersen Foundation. Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I ask the honour­ Dr. Edwards interjected. aJble member to continue with his speech. Mr. K. J. HOOPER: The Treasurer can laugh. Mr. K. J. HOOPER: Regarding the mooted shopping centre development at Lang Park Mr. Glasson: You're a crook yourself, by Kern Bros., it is a fact that the area sport. needs another lavge shopping complex like it needs a hole in the head. Apart from Mr. K. J. HOOPER: I do not mind taking this, I sound a note of warning to the Lang interjections from some of the heavyweights Park Trust and the Queensland Rugby but that interjection from the paperweight League organisation for the reasons that I member for Grego·ry is the second longest will outline. From my understanding of speech he has made since entering Parliament financial matters, the measure of any com­ in 1974. pany's viability is to relate its current assets Brian Maher was let off scot-free. He to its current liabilities. I hear the Minister should have been charged. There was no for Industry and Administrative Services appeal by the Crown. It was a travesty of laughing. I can also remember the events justice. He certainly would not have leading up to 1977 when I was exposing escaped if this had happened in New South the depredations of certain building societies Wales under a decent Labor Government in this State, and the laugh was on the other and where there is an eXitrernely capable side of the Minister's face then. Because and competent Attorney-General in Frank of my expose of the building society move­ Walker. Both episodes are nothing short of ment and the Minister's lack of expertise and a fiasco, and do little to enhance the reputa­ ability in handling that particular industry, tion of the Queensland Police Force. he was relegated to his present junior port­ I make it quite clear that, in my opinion, folio. As I was saying, the financial affairs the squad should be in charge of a com­ of Kern Bros. leave a lot to be desired. petent inspector or a senior sergeant who If we apply that well-recognised formula to can give leadership and guidance. An that firm, we see a recipe for severe financial organisation such as this can operate at full disaster. efficiency only if the team leader is eX'peri­ Mr. Moore: You are doing a lot with enced and competent. I can see the Treasurer other people's writing. nodding in agreement. Perhaps he would make a better Attorney-General than a Mr. K. J. HOOPER: At least I can write Treasurer. A capable experienced team my own speeoh. I do not get up and stutter, leader would also provide on-the-job training. stammer and splutter like the honourable This is most essential, particularly in the member for Windsor does. Fraud Squad. At the present time, this is non-existent. No member of the squad Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I ask the honour­ is capable of organising and carrying out able member to come back to the Bill. a really worthwhile on-the-job training session. Mr. K. J. HOOPER: Yes, I will, but I I can also remember quite vividly that have been severely tested. the present Assistant Commissioner (Crime This company resembles a finance com­ and Services), Les Duffy, was very vocal on pany or a highly geared land developer that his appointment to that illustrious rank in encountered problems and collapsed during saying that white-collar crime in this State the heady land deals of the early '70s. A would be dealt with. The fact that the perusal of its latest balance sheet shows Fraud Squad has been allowed to deteriorate Kern Bros. 1current assets at around 81365-76 2222 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

$21,200,000 with current liabilities of around chairman and still a building society director. $18,000,000. I think that all honourable Another 'director is Mr. S. J. Ariotti, chair­ members, even the Minister for Industry man of the Northern Permanent Building and Admini~trative Services with his limited Society. Even that name "Ariotti" has a knowledge, would agree that this is a bit sinister connotation to it. too tight for comfort. I have spoken my piece on the Northern H is a bit more disturbing when one reads Permanent Building Society in this House on into the small print and sees that the previously, but it still leaves a lot to be company's single biggest item of assets is desired. When I see that that firm and residential land and commercial and indus­ Kern Bros. have a common director, Mr. trial proper,ty acquired for development or Ariotti, and I witness how highly geared sale worth $7,600,000. It is also a fact they are financially, quite frankly I shudder. of life that this property is not readily saleable. To show it under current assets Mr. Scott: Would you say it is on the at that figure is totally misleading. nose? Mr. Lee: Where is it? Mr. K. J. HOOPER: That is saying the least. It is certainly on the nose. Mr. K. J. HOOPER: A search of the Titles Office will reveal that. I suppose that these people feel they are so far North that they are out of sight of To qualify for this definition it should be the registrar of building societies. I say to capable of being sold within 12 months. The the Minister for Justice and Attorney-Gen­ notes to the accounts say that the company eral, who administers the Corporate Affairs does not ex.pect a sale before 1984. I think Office, that he should have a good look at this is a scandalous state of affairs, and I the Northern Permanent Building Society. believe that the firm should be the subject I would be interested to know just how of an immediate query from the Stook much supervision there is of the societies out­ Exchange. I am pleased to see that the side of Brisbane. The annual report of the Minister for Justice and Attorney-General Northern Permanent Building Society is an is in the House tonight because I feel exercise in deception. That report is avail­ that the Commissioner for Corporate Affairs able to any member of this House from the should immediately carry out an investigation Corporate Affairs Office. The report refers into the matters I have raised. This land to that society having a charge over the assets should be classed as a long-term fixed asset. of another building society. I would like to ,This is just another indication of the highly pose the questions: Which society and why? suspect management and trading situation of I will be asking some questions of the Minis­ Kern Bros. What disturbs me even more is ter at a later date. that the auditors permit it. But it will come It seems to me that North Queensland is as no surprise to the members of this House the place to go if one wants to be out of when I tell them that the auditors for Kern sight and out of mind and to get into the Bros. are none other than our old friends, drug business or any other shady business Hungerfords. As honourable members will deals. recall, that was the company that presided I will now return to Hungerfords for a over the accounts of the now defunct Great moment. Over the years, I have had a lot to Australian Permanent Building Society. say about that firm of acountants. I might Heaven help Kern Bros. if they stay with have a very suspicious mind but I note that that company. Not only do they show a the new chairman of the S.G.I.O. Building remarkable lack of management ability, but Society is Sir Rod Proctor, retired director their auditors, to say the least after the of Hungerfords. He is also a director of Great Australian Permanent Building Society the Jennings housing group. In my opinion fiasco, can be classed as questionable. It that is certainly a conflict of interest. He is seems that in this case the accountants have also a former director of the failed Alfred not advised the firm to follow basic account­ Grant group. But apparently all is forgiven, ancy principles. I think it is high time as he is a trustee of the National Party. that the acountancy profession was cleaned When one talks of jobs for the boys the up. The accountancy profession, along with National Party leaves political parties in other the legal and medical professions, should no States for dead. longer be sacred cows. They are as fallible as any other discipline. I know the Treasurer Who is the Government trying to fool? agrees with that. What chance does the man in the street have of getting straight answers from Ministers There should be a hard crack-down on part­ about the dealings of Kern Bros., the North­ ners of accountancy firms who, by being on ern Permanent Building Society or the the boards of companies that are clients of S.G.I.O. Building Society when there is such the firm, have a conflict of interest. Such a an old-boy network? The National Party situation just invites disaster. network makes the Oxbridge old-boys look Let us look at the directors of Kern Bros. like very small potatoes. We all know this One of them is Sir David Nicholson, a former Government has a shocking record on Government member and Speaker of this company and corporate crime. Is it any House. Another is Mr. B. E. Riding, a wonder when so many of its friends are former S.G.I.O. and S.G.I.O. Building Society involved that it cannot afford to dig too Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2223 deep? I wonder if Kern Bros. and the also made a donation of $10. I am glad that Northern Permanent Building Society have the Minister for Justice and Attorney­ hit the National Party can, as they would General is in the House, because a senior say at the Queensland Club. member of his staff made a very large I was also appalled to see on the staff of donation. The Licensing Commissioner, Mr. Kern Bros. our old friend, Mr. Lloyd Vivian Leo McQuillan, obviously agr,eed with the Price, former incompetent managing director other gentlemen, because he weighed in of the failed Queensland Permanent Build­ with $20. ing Society and great friend of the Govern­ If I may use the Premier's adage, if one ment. Need I say more? Mr. Price is now flies with the crows, one must expect to be Manager, Management and Leasing, for Kern shot as a crow. The contributions to the Bros. Is it any wonder that I question the National Oivic Council, which as we all know business acumen of Kern Bros.? is an extreme, Right-wing organisation, I would hope that the Commissioner Jlor proves what I have been saying for years: Corporate Affairs and, to a lesser degree, this is an extremely Right-wing, conserva­ the Stock Exchange will take note of my tive, out-of-touch Government. words. We all know the benefits of an ounce Mr. R. J. Gibbs: Would you have any of prevention taken at the right time. It is idea how much, for example, they then certainly better than a lot of cure. donated to the recent re-elec!lion in the Another financial matter that I wish to clerks' union? ra:ise concerns the conflict of interest where directors or senior officers of a buhlding Mr. K. J. HOOPER: No, but I believe society are either on the board of or have they did make a substantial donation. a very close relationsh~p with the building Mr. Austin: Would you like to make a society. I have previously mentioned Kern comment on how Mr. Gibbs went with his Bros. and the Northern Permanent, but attack on the clerks' union? apparently nothing has been done. Every time I have asked questions in this House Mr. K. J. HOOPER: He did very well. the Minister for Justice and Attorney­ He made a very illuminat,ing and enlighten­ General has given me an answer, but one ing address in this House and exposed the that begged the question. I make it clear clandestine operations of the National Civic while J am on my feet here tonight that the Council in the internal affairs of some trade directors of the now defunct Queensland unions. Permanent Building Society are being pro­ I would like to close on a lighter note. I tected by certain high-ranking members of understand tha,t the letters of acceptance the Government in this State. are back from those people to be honoured Another matter I WOUJld rike to raise in the New Year's honours list. relates to donations to a clandestine organi­ Honourable Members interjected. sation. Last week I happened to get a copy of a recent donation Vist of the Nat1ional Mr. K. J. HOOPER: Honourable mem­ Civic Council. It makes quite interesting bers can laugh, but it is true. reading. We have rull seen the feigned surprise on Mr. R. J. Gibbs: That group! It is a New Year's day from the blue-rinse set. I shocking group of people. suppose it looks good if a person gets up and says, "I oan't understand why Her Mr. K. J. HOOPER: Wait till the honour­ Majesty wants to confer such an honour on able member hears what I have to say. Every me.", except that he happens to be a friend member Wlill be l

Honourable members wiU recall that on In October 1976, a compulsory 2t per 25 February this year the Premier announced cent health-insurance levy was imposed, with that he had thrown his Government's full compulsory membership in private health support behind the Fraser Government. The funds for those who would not pay the newspaper report said that Mr. Bjelke­ levy. Twelve months later that scheme was Petersen had asked all members of the scrapped. Fraser then undertook to pay coalition Government to work closely with 40 per cent of scheduled fees, and now the Mr. Fraser. 40 per cent rebate has disappeared. Fraser [,et us look closely at Mr. Fmser, because altered Medibank in October 1976, July Mr. Fraser is the man whom Mr. Bjelke­ 1978, November 1978 and September 1979. Petersen wanted as Federal Prime Minister. On Thursday, 8 November 1979-only a He worked assiduously to have Mr. Fraser few weeks ago-"The Courier-Mail" head­ in office. He spent all his time cam­ lined "Health Plan No. 7 being considered". paigning for Mr. Fraser and running around So the man who said, "We will maintain the State for him. In fact, he used public Medibank and ensure that the standard of money and the people's aeroplane to run health care does not decline" has scrapped round the State to he1p Mr. Fraser. it, destroyed it and, by regular changes, made our health system so confusing that no-one What did Mr. Fmser promise? In Novem­ understands it. You can't trust the Tories! ber 1975, the election before last, he said­ As to interest rates-on 21 November "We have a comprehensive strategy to 1977, Mr. Fraser said- restore prosperity." "Interest rates have begun to fall-and That was his promise-a straight promise. they will keep on falling." Can anyone tell me that that strategy has On 6 December 1977, he said- worked, that prosperity has been restored? I say that my father was right-you can't "Once the election is over, we will trust the Tories! start to move to the consummation of a 2 per cent reduction in interest rates On 22 February 1979, Mr. Fraser said- -and that means about $500 a year for "! believe that 1979 is the year in which someone on an average home loan." the fruits of our policies will become clearly apparent, a year in which the Another Fraser promise; another broken economy will take another step on the Liberal-National Party promise. Families road to recovery." paying off their homes will know that this broken Fraser promise is another reason Can anyone tell me that Mr. Fraser's promise why you can't trust the Tories. of 22 February is correct? My father was right-you can't trust the Tories! Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr. Kaus): Mr. Fraser said, "We will take politics off Order! The House is not discussing the the front pages." Do honourable members Federal Budget. remember the Garland affair, the Robinson affair, the Withers affair, the Lynch affair, Mr. BURNS: Mr. Deputy Speaker, under the Sinclair affair, the V.I.P. junket fleet, the Appropriation Bill, honourable members Mr. Fraser's in-laws and the tax dodges, the have been allowed to speak on any matter. Sir Robert Menzies' Memorial Trust, and That has been the ruling in this Chamber the extravagant new High Court? Of course by every Speaker while I have been a member you can't trust the Tories! of this Assembly. I am speaking on matters that affect the Budget, because the promises Dealing with inflation, on 12 September made in relation to housing, income tax 1978 Mr. Fraser said- and interest rates all affect the money "Inflation at an annual rate of 5 per that is spent in this State. I submit that cent is within our reach by mid-1979. It I am in order according to the procedure will go on falling under the policies of that has been followed by former speakers. this Government." The Brisbane "Telegraph" on 1 September I ask honourable members to remember the 1977 reported that a telex message from words, "It will go on falling ..." the then Federal Treasurer (Mr. Lynch) On 24 September 1979, one year later, had indicated that the Premier (Mr. Bjelke­ in "The Courier-Mail" Mr. Fraser warned Petersen) was instrumental in keeping interest that inflation would get worse before the rates at a high level. So much for the end of the year. So Mr. Fraser's promises Premier's interest in working men and women again show that you can't trust the Tories. paying off their homes! Now let us have a look at Medibank. As to taxation-in 1975, Mr. Fraser said- On 27 September 1975, Mr. Fraser said­ "We will encourage people's initiative "We will maintain Medibank and ensure and enterprise, not batter them into the that the standard of health care does not ground with punishing taxes. We will decline." reduce. the taxation burden." That was a positive promise by Mr. Fraser. In 1979, the Premier warned the Prime Within six months of gaining power in Minister by saying, "If you don't cut taxes, 1975, Mr. Fraser modified the scheme. He we will kick you out." Let us see what broke the promise immediately. happened. Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2225

In 1977, Mr. Fraser said- plan to reduce the Consumer Price Index "We have reduced taxe6, revived incen­ by removing increases resulting from Govern­ tive and restored fair reward for achieve­ ment policy, such as indirect taxes and oil ment. We have ended the big tax rip­ prices. off." When speaking of Australia, the authori­ I am reminded of a cartoon that appeared tative International Currency Review says- in "The Australian Financial Review" last "Formal wage rises have been lagging week. It showed a man ta'lking to his wife considerably behind the new surge in and saying, "This tax reduction reminds me prices-with the result that the rate of of the time when my wallet was stolen. The increase in real consumer spending has been bloke who stole it brought it back, all the declining." money in it had gone, and he asked for a You can't trust the Tories! reward." That is a fair comparison to make winh the tax deductions that we are getting In relation to unemployment-on 27 from Mr. Fraser. November 1975, Mr. Fraser stated- Mr. Fraser also said- "Only under a Liberal Natiornal Country Party Government will there be jobs for "The Government will bring taxes down all who want to work." further-not increase them." This is what independent commentators said Mr. KaJtter interjected. about t!he last Federal Budget- "The Government has budgeted for an Mr. BURNS: The Federal Liberal/ increase of 16.5 per cent in taxation National County Party Government hasn't revenue. Indirect taxes are estimated to done it. The member for Flinders supported increase by 17.2 per cent to $8.6 billion his father's campaign and he supported the accounting for 31.7 per cent of totai Fraser Government. revenue. Individual income tax payments On 21 November 1977, Mr. Fraser said­ are budgeted to rise by 18.2 per cent to "Unemployment will fall from February $15.2 billion." (1978) and keep faHing." You can',t trust the Tories! What are the facts? Every single commen­ As to tax indexation, Mr. Fraser said­ tator of any note who reported on the last "We will fully index personal income Federal Liberal/National Country Party :tax." Budget said that unemployment would be worse. Roman Catholic bishops have made In Federal Parliament in May 1976, he scathing attacks on the Government's said- unemployment-creation programmes. Even "The Government's commitment to tax the Confederation of Industry president has indexation is firm and unequivocal." said he was ashamed that so little had been In his Budget ~peech in August this year, done to tackle unemployment. the Treasurer smd- The Liberal/National Country Party has "Tax indexation will not be restored for deliberately set out to falsify the figures. It 1979-80." has continually changed the method of collect­ How could he be firm and unequivocal ing the figures. It has introduced new sets of about tax indexation when he could not figures. It has dropped the official figure6 even keep his promise in either this Budget collected by the Department of Employment. or any of his previous Liberal-National Par,ty and Youth Affairs and introduced a new Budgets? set collected by the Bureau of Statistics. It has cooked the books. It has slashed funds The Melbourne Institute of Applied for the special youth employment training Economics and Social Research said- programme. "Taxes outstrip earnings. Income tax It has deliberately created two classes of has risen faster than wages over the past unemployed: the first being its own two years for the majority of Australians. official unemployed; the second being those The tax increase has hit hardest at single­ who dropped out of the work-force income families." altogether. The second class of unemployed I turn nOIW to wage indexation. The Govern­ includes children who went back to school ment promised full support for wage index­ because they could not find a job, married ation. The Prime Minister said tha,t the women who gave up looking for work, and coalition Government "will support wage men who retired early and would like to indexation". He went on to say- continue working but found that no jobs "Our reforms will maintain the pur­ were available. Those people are not counted chasing power of wages and ease the in 1he official statistics. Their rapidly pressure for excessive wage demands." growing numbers are reflected in a decline in the work-force participation rate from The Government, in national wage case 62.3 per cent in 1975-76 to 60.8 per cent hearings before the Conciliation and Arbitra­ last year. During this per,iod the number of tion Commission, has consistently advocated wmking-age people in Austraiia has the awarding of less than full indexation. increased by over 500,000, while the number Workers need not be reminded of Fraser's employed has risen by only 68,000. 2226 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

According to Dr. Peter Sheehan, Senior He was campaigning then. He was not Research Fellow with the Melbourne talking about dole hludgers, reducing Institute, there are now more than 350,000 unemployment benefits, taking people off the hidden unemployed. This means that about benefits, or appointing inspectors to spy on 12.5 per cent of the potential work-force, people. He was out looking for votes. or 670,000 Australians, are out of work. In 1974, the then Leader of the Opposi­ It also means that official statistics are tion (Mr. Fraser) said he accepted the becoming increasingly misleading as a guide principle that as unemployment rose, so, too, to the real dimensions of unemployment and should unemployment benefits. That is a the state of the economy. statement of fact taken from "Hansard". The Premier suggests that unemployment It is there for all to see. wi_ll be overcome when another couple of The Liberals have already suggested that mmes are opened. I remind him and the young, single men a.nd women should receive House that the total number of employees no unemployment benefit until they are over at 30 June 1978 employed by the giant 25 years of age. When attacked about that M.I.M. Holdings Ltd. and its subsidiaries in Parliament, they said, "We are not think­ was 6,998, according to the report, which ing about the over 25s, only those up to was 341 fewer than the number employed 19 years of age." Working families will four years before. That company, I might have to look after kids from when they add, made a profit of $46,500,000, so when leave school until they turn 19 years of w_e talk of big money we are not talking of age. b1g numbers as far as employment is con­ The present Federal Government has cerned. introduced pinprioking rules to make it Let us look at another mining company, harder to qualify for benefits. There has Utah Development Company. In its financial been no increase in unemployment benefits statement of December 1977, it announced for 18-vear-olds since the Government came that its net income was $158,304,000. It to power. Recipients with dependants have also made the point that its total work-force also failed to receive proper increases during 1977 was 2,851. So, whilst the although inflation has run rampant during company makes multi-millions of dollars those years. it employs fewer than 3,000 Queenslanders: What is worse is the snide, evil campaign Mr. Scott: I wonder what its gross income the Government and its supporters have was? undertaken to convince the majority of Aus­ tralians that those out of work are bludgers; Mr. BURNS: I do not know. The com­ that they are lazy and uneducated; that it pany's financial statement referred to its is all their own fault if they cannot get a net income. job. Even now, the Federal Governm~nt The Premier has promised a large number is talking about bumping up the educatwn of mining projects, many of them on a programme. That will make our students dozen different occasions. The same pro­ a little better educated, but it will not help Jects are referred to over and over again. them find new jobs. No jobs are available. If we do not create new jobs, it will not On 22 July 1979, it was reported that matter what the Government does with the the controversial $200,000,000-plus Oaky education programme. Creek coking coal project had been placed in mothballs, and that about 30 men had Mr. Katter: What is your solution? been laid off. On 23 Augus1t 1979, it was reported that, last year, employment in the Mr. BURNS: The solution has been put Queensland coal industry increased by fewer forwa.rd on a number of occasions. The than 100 to 6,328, despite record production honourable mernber should read Mick in the same period. These extra 100 Young's book in the Parliamentary Library employees correspond with an increased pro­ if he wants to read solutions offered by the duction of 2 000 000 tonnes and i1lustmte Labor Party. Not one solution was con­ quite clearly the low labour intensity of tained in the Treasurer's Budget, and not the indu&try. If the Government is counting one solution has been offered by the Gov­ on the mines becoming large enough to ernment as a positive proposal on the issue. employ the many thousands of unemployed 'I now turn to prices. In opposing the people in the State, it is living in a fairy­ case for control! in the wages and price con­ tale world. trol referendum, Liberal and National! Party On unemployment benefits, Mr. Fraser members in Queensland and their spokesmen said, on behalf of the Liberal and National at all levels said that compet

It allowed the M]Jk Board to introduce then before an election $2. Each year, bus­ regulations that added 5o and 6c a pint to loads of pensioners travelled to Canberra to the price of milk for children. Government plead for more money. members screamed all over the State about the need for free milk for school children. The introduction of twice-yearly indexa­ tion by the Whitlam Government provided The same members supported the intro~ duc.tion of regulations that allowed the pensioners with at least the assurance that Milk Board to increase the price of milk so they woU!ld receive an increase twice a year that each day a pensioner or a housewife so that the value of their pensions did not could not go into a shop in the Brisbane diminish and was kept in line with either suburbs without paying 17c more for a loaf average weekly earrnngs under the Whitllam of bread and a bottle of m'ilk. That hap­ Government or the consumer p11ice index pened because of the action of the Liberal when the ;present Prime Minister (Mr. and National Parliies in this State. Malcolm Fraser) gained office. In the period that Labor was in power, by twice-yearly In the nine months to June this year, 40 adjustments, pensions rose to 25 per cent of per cent of the rises in prices were due to average weekly earnings. various Liberall/National Party Govern­ ments' actions. The price of petrol is an What did the [jberai/National Country example, with a barrel of Bass Strait oil, Party Government do? It formalised the that costs 65c to produce, costing nearly $19 six-monthly adjus1Jments into a separate law. when it gl"ts to the petrol wholesaler as a It formalised indexation; that is alll that it result of savage Federal Government tax did, yet it failed to do this during its period pol'kies. of government of 23 years. For 23 years it did nothing. After we gained office in Can­ A selection of food items at average cost berra and acted, the Liberal/National 1975 against 1979-and it was in 1975 that Country Pa~ty Government formalised the this Government heilped to have the Fraser arrangement. They wanted to get back to Government elected--shows- the old Liberal system again. For a while, Bread has gone up 50 per cent the Liberals could not see a way of doing Milk 40 per cent it. Then they abolished the six-monthtly Steak 100 per cent pen~ion adjustment last year. Previously, Potatoes 55 ,per cent they had tried to abolish the funeral benefit Baby food 50 per cent for pensioners, too. Justice has now been Canned fruit 50 per cent restored to pensioners and the Liberal/ National Country Party Government claims That does not include health charges. some sort of credit for it. All it has done is Doctors' fees have gone up 136 per cent in correct an injustice which was perpetrated the last seven years, and there have been upon the pensioners of this country. 221 price rises in the last five weeks in grocery lines. The Government has done I now want to tailk about Meals on nothing about it except to prescribe that Wheels. Mr. Fraser, Liberal spokesmen and certain goods cannot be so1d below a given IJiberal and NationaJ Country Party adver­ pr[ce. tisements said, "We will assist those who help themselves." The Federal Budget pro­ In "The Courier-

The Treasurer admitted recentily that It was abolished in 1976. $433,000,000 in tax will be avoided under I look now at sickness benefits. In the schemes that the Government has declared last election campaign, Uberal spokesmen unlawful, but that the Government does not said that they would ensure that sickness expect to coLlect the money this year. He benefits were indexed so that those in need also admitted that a further $250,000,000 will did not fall behind. That appeared in a be lost through tax-evasion schemes which Liberal pol~cy statement. The Federal Bud­ are stiLI legal. The Government lost between get provided no increase in sickness benefit $400,000,000 and $2,000 million because it for those who are temporarily unable to work acted too late to close previous tax loop­ through sickness or accident, who are single holes. and under 18. On 30 August 1979, a group of Li!beral In regard to legal aid, Mr. Fraser promised and National Party back-benchers caiied on in 1975- the Federal Government to review plans to clamp down on fam~ly trusts, as the tax "We will ensure that no ,person is denied debate raged inside and outside Parliament. legal aid because of lack of means." What happened? Even the old "Fruit and In practice, the legal aid service was foisted Vegetable" news produced by the C.O.D. sent onto the States and sharp restrictions on out an article saying that people should not access to legal aid have been imposed. In dismantle their family trusts even though recent Appropriation Bills in Canberra, pay­ the Liberals had suggested they were out ments to the States for legal aid provided to stop tax evasion. We now know that in the Federal area were cut from $7,000,000 they watered down the proposal. to $3,500,000. In addition, six weeks after the Federai We heard a lot about the fertiliser bounty Budget the Federal Liberal/National Country in 1974. The former Deputy Leader of Party Cabinet moved to reconsider its the National Country Party and Milllister for decision to limit depreciation on luxury cars Primary Industries (Mr. Sinclair), speaking to $18,000. No wonder we say they look during the election campaign prior to coming after their own! Luxury cars and tax evasion into Government, quite ironically, in Mackay for the rich-dole and misery for the worker in Queensland, said- and his kids. "I can give an unqualified assurance on I turn now to allowances. The Government behalf of the National Country Party, promised new assistance for the family unit. that in Government with the Liberal Party, Members opposite annually beat the1r we will restore the bounty on superphos­ breasts in defence of the family. vhe family phate and ensure that the nitrogenous fer­ allowance scheme, introduced by the Govern­ tilizer bounty continues." ment, was a wicked hoax. If the old child endowment scheme had been kept and tax I repeat: he said: deductions allowed for dependent children, "I can give an unqualified assurance the average Australian family would have . . . in Government . . . that the been dollars a week better off than under the nitrogenous fertilizer bounty continues." family allowance scheme. Ask the North Queensland cane farmer if A family with one child loses $2.60 a week. that Tory promise has been kept. Similarly, the tables show that a family Let us have a look at the Budget deficits. wit~ two. children loses $4.20 per week, a The l:iberals said they would get rid of faJmly w1th three chHdren loses $5.80 per "big government" and look for "little gov­ week, and so on. If a family has six child­ ernment". In November 1977, Mr. Fraser ren, it loses over $10 per week because of said- the Government's attitude to family "We have brought Government spending allowances. under control." . This Gover~ment has attacked the family The National Farmers' Federation this year m every poss1ble way. It has made it very said- difficult for single..Qncome families to con­ "It has been overlooked that despite the tinue to exist in this country. The Treasurer Government's efforts the size of the Gov­ (Mr. Howard), on 28 August 1979, admitted ernment sector . . . is higher now than that single-income families were disadvantaged in 1978 1977, 1976 or at any time during under the present taxation scheme. He told the Whitlam Government. It is not an Institute of Directors luncheon gathering 'smaller government' that the present Gov­ here in Brisbane that the Government could ernment has sought and which farmers have eased the tax disadvantage on the single­ ,income family in the 21st August Budget but support." opted for "previous commitments" instead. That is a quote from its own supporters, Those "commitments" were tax evasion for the National Farmers' Federation. The total the rich. receipts for the last Labor Budget were The other day someone mentioned the $15,300 million, and in this Fraser's Budget Australian Assistance Plan. On 27 November they are $26,300 million. 1975, the Prime Minister, Mr. Fraser, said­ I move now to the subject of roads. The "The Australian Assistance Plan wlill be Minister for Local Government and Main maintained." Roads is not here. I think he is in New Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2229

Zealand at present. The point is ·that all I could go on and on. In June 1973, the through the years of the Whitlam Govern­ cost of overseas borrowing was $96 for each ment he complained and cried tears of blood man, woman and child in the country. In over the alleged failure of the Whitlam Gov­ June 1974, the amount was $77; in June, ernment to give him all the money he 1975, it was $88; and today, it is $355 wanted. He 1old people to vote for Fraser, per head. There has been a dramatic Nixon and the rest of his National Party increase in the burden of overseas borrowing colleagues and Queensland would then have on the Australian people. I will suggest that plenty of money for its roads. Let us look in the next couple of days Mr. Fraser will at what happened. again be saying to State Government and local authorities that they should borrow The 1978-79 Budget papers stated- overseas. As he passes the load away from "The Budget provides for $508 million­ his own responsibility and back onto us to an increase of 7 per cent or $33 million pay the interest rates, the national debt will over 1977-78 to be made available to increase. the States under the State Grants (Road) Act 1977." Let us now have a look at the farmers whom they profess to represent. People in The 1979-80 Budget speech disclosed that the country areas for years have voted Lib­ inflation for the year 1979 was 8.8 per eral/National Party because they live in cent, so it did not even keep up with inflation. the country and they believe they should The 1979-80 Budget papers stated that the support country representation. Government had announced that road grants would again be maintained in real terms in The Federal Budget slashed $24,000,000 1979-80 when $546,000,000, an increase of from the rural adjustment funds. It cut the 7.5 per cent on the 1978-79 Budget speech, 1979-80 allocation of funds to the Common­ showed that the promise is, once again, to wealth Extension Service Grant by 50 per be broken. The Treasurer announced that cent. It has failed to hold prices, as this for 1979-80 as a whole the C.P.I. is presently example will show- estimated to increase by a little over 10 1979 1969 per cent. So on one hand he is saying that $ $ he will give a 7!- per cent increase in road I tonne single super 56 17.65 money, but on the other hand the cost 1 tonne urea 187.55 59.13 will go up 10 per cent. The Liberal Treasurer Tractor 60 hp. 9,312 3,325 says he is maintaining ~he level of expendi­ Utility 6,500 2,600 ture, but I say that the Tories cannot be I turn now to the question of Aborigines. trusted. The Prime Minister promised in 1975 to In relation to health insurance, Govern­ maintain present levels of assistance to ment members promised to retain all tax Aborigines. In the first year of his Govern­ deductibility for heal~h insurance schemes. ment, expenditure was cut by $24,000,000. That was rejected this year in the Federal There is also the matter of sub-nmmal Budget. children. The Liberal/Na1ional Party con­ Let us have a look at overseas borrowing. tinually talk of their concern for the dis­ I can remember all the stories in this Par­ advantaged, but the Queensland Sub-Normal li<:ment about that subject. In 1975, every Children's Welfare Association president (Mr. Liberal spokesman in the na,tion attacked W. G. Woolcock), has said that his associa­ the Labor Government proposal to borrow tion's operations were jeopardised by the $4,000 million to buy back Australian mining Federal Liberal/National Party Govern­ and mineral resources that had been sold ment's cuHing funds. out to foreigners. The Liberals promised that international reserves would be built up and . Whe';l will the Li?t?ral/National Party stop overseas borrowing reduced. Liberal leaders I~s policy of penahsmg voluntary organisa­ ~Ions that help the sick, the injured and the were most violent in their c6ticism but mfirm? si~ce July 1976 they have changed 'their mmd and borrowed $4,000 million. Let us have a look at the State Govern­ In 1976, the Government borrowed ment. In 1957, Mr. Nicklin and Mr. Morris ~279,000,000. In the financial year 1976-77, promised coalition harmony and an end to It borrowed $459,000,000 but in 1977-78 it factional fighting and personalities. I am borrowed $1,760 million. In September 1977 indebted to the member for Toowong the Government received loans from th~ (Hono1:1rable C. R. Porter), who was the United States and Germany involving campaign director at that time, because tliis amounts up to $518,000,000. In 1978-79 this is under his name. By 1960 he said it had Liberal Government borrowed $1,566 mi'nion happened. They promised an end to govern­ with almost monthly bmrowings. Let us look ment by "fear and favour" with just and at them. In August, it borrowed $192,000,000 impartial administration, based on unques­ from Switzerland and $120,000,000 from tioned ministerial integrity. It makes me West Germany. In September, it borrowed laugh. That was the Liberal and National $127,000,000 from West Germany. In Party promise on coming into Government. October, it borrowed $187,000,000 from T~ey promised to restore the dignity of Japan, and in November $183,000,000 from parl~amentary pr'?cedures and thereby Japan. parliamentary prestige. Mr. Porter promised 2230 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) that. This year the Speaker of this Parlia­ Dr. Edwards: That's a lot of rubbish. ment resigned, saying that the House had deteriorated-and it had deteriorated Mr. BURNS: Yes, he has. He has been because of the actions of the Government. continually proposing it by statements such Ministerial lurks and perks of this Govern­ as, "We won't be able to continue to protect ment far exceed those in any other similar all areas of the reef." State parliamentary democracy. In May 1972, the Government promised free pre-school education for all 4-year-olds. Mr. Porter: That is absolute nonsense. Seven years later we are still waiting for the completion of the scheme. If the Govern­ Mr. BURNS: The rubbish that the mem­ ment is asked now about pre-schoots in some ber for Toowong put down as promises, and areas, it cannot say when they will be built. then had the hide to suggest had even been carried out, makes it a joke. In his 1977 policy speech, the then Liberal Leader, now Sir William Knox, promised In 1957, Mr. Nicklin promised the State 40-bed hospitals at Salisbury, Sandgate, a Bill of Rights. After the Parliamentary Wynnum and Ferny Grove. I might advise Counsel and a southern constitutional the Treasurer that the then National Party lawyer had produced the Bill, it was intro­ member for Wynnum, Mr. Lamond, was duced in December 1959 and never reached telling people about the medical staff-- its second reading. In the 1957 campaign, the National Party leader, Mr. Nicklin, said Dr. Edwards: Wait and see. that working hours, wages and industrial conditions were matters for cold, calculated Mr. BURNS: Is the Treasurer going to decision by the Industrial Commission and tell me that what Mr. Lamond said is right? were not a red-hot plaything for politicians. Dr. Edwards: Yes, I am. What did the Government do here today? Today provided a classic example of how that promise has been broken. Mr. BURNS: Good, because that will give us out-patient facilities which the Treasurer In 1960, the then Premier promised that has said we won't get. the Liberal/National Party Government would not increase the size of Cabinet. He Dr. Edwards: I didn't say that at all. promised small government. He said there would be no Cabinet increases. At that Mr. BURNS: Mr. Lamond said it, and the stage they had 11 Cabinet Ministers. Now Treasurer has just said that what Mr. they have 18. Quite truthfully, they perform Lamond said is right. He can't withdraw worse than the 11. that statement. He does not know what Mr. Lamond said. These people were out making In the 1960 campaign, Mr. Nicklin and promises on behalf of the Liberal and Mr. Morris promised to take action on a new National Parties-- State for North Queensland. Where is the boundary? Where is the new capital that Dr. Edw<.'.rds: Our policy was that we was promised by Nicklin and Morris on would provide a 40-bed hospital at Wynnum, behalf of the Liberal and National Parties? and you know full well that the plan is almost completed. In May 1972, Sir Gordon Chalk, then Liberal leader, promised that Brisbane rail Mr. BURNS: Tomorrow I will show the electrification would be undertaken under Treasurer a Press statement by Mr. Lamond, a five-year plan so that all of Brisbane should who said that the Wynnum people would have been travelling on electric trains two get a medical superintendent, out-patient years ago. They have only just started facilities-- running, and it will not be finished until 1984 or 1985, if ever. Dr. Edwards: That wasn't the Govern­ ment's promise. During the Redcliffe by-election campaign the Premier virtually promised to complete Mr. BURNS: He was a Government mem­ the Brisbane-Redcliffe rail link by 1982. ber-and the Government did not deny it Remember? He told them that he would at the time. have it built in time for the Commonwealth Games, because Redcliffe was going to be a Dr. Edwards: You made a lot of promises, major accommodation area. After the too. by-election, when his candidate ran third-he was wiped out-he reneged on the promise. Mr. BURNS: The Treasurer can answer On 25 April 1969, the Minister for Mines, that later on. Energy and Police (Honourable R. E. Camm) Let us have a look at the State Bank, said that the Government pledged itself to which the Treasurer has promised us so protect the Great Barrier Reef. I cannot help often. Remember the State bank? Federal laughing when I read some of these. They Liberal and National Party leaders are now are such jokes. He was referring to oil­ suggesting that we ought to allow more drilling on the Barrier Reef. Since then he foreign banks to operate here and that we has made 10 years of statements saying that ought to have more foreign bank control we should start to do something about of the money of this country. Nothing is drilling the reef. said now about the State bank. Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2231

What about working conditions? One Mr. :CURNS: I have them jumping now, Liberal policy statement produced in the Mr. Deputy Speaker. We have never heard last election was that workers would have any more of that coast watch organisation nothing to fear from the election of a to keep out drugs. Liberal Government. Since then Mr. Howard The Premier promised tax reductions, but has suggested the removal of the 1n per his colleague the Federal Liberal Treasurer cent holiday pay loading. The Liberal and has said that Mr. Bjelke-Petersen had the National Parties have undertaken a campaign power to reduce income tax for Queensland to remove penalty rates. In other words, if a if he wished to do so. The Premier failed person then worked overtime or at the to respond, so his promise in that respect week-end, he would only be paid the ordinary was just so much hot air in another election rate. campaign. Dr. Edwards: That's a lot of rubbish. In his 1976 advertising comment "The Premier Reports", which was paid for by Mr. BURNS: That is what the inquiry was the public of this State, the Premier said­ about. The Government would not have "Queenslanders can be well pleased at had the inquiry for no reason at all. The the outcome of the Premier's Conference Treasurer could not say that the Government in Can1berra." wants to retain penalty rates. Let him get up in this Chamber and say that he believes He said that there would be no begging in their retention. The Liberal and National Canberra for a fair dool, that Queenslande.rs Parties have appeared against the workers' would know exactly how much money the interests in every case before an arbitration State would receive. I thought I heard the commission. Treasurer complain earlier tonight that the Government of this State was not getting a Liberal and National Party politicians fair deal, that it was not getting the money promised to ctWb wasteful expenditure. to which it was rightly entitled. Dr. Edwards interjected. Dr. Edwards: The Deputy Leader of the Opposition supported what I said. Mr. BURNS: I am pleased that the Treasurer is interjecting, because on 22 Mr. BURNS: I am not disag.reeing with July 1979 it was reported that he had that. I am saying that the Leader of the appointed the Federal president of the Young Government, the Premier, said that the LiberaL~ to a State Government paid position State would not have any more of those as administration officer only nine days after problems. He promised that in advertise­ he had announced a continued zero growth ments paid for out of the people's money in the staff of Queensland's Public Service. in 1976. The Treasurer has told us tonight It is all flight for Young Liberals, but it is that the Premier did not tell us the truth, not all right for working-class kids to get that he misled the people of this State. a job. As honourable members a.re aware, in When the Premier is talking about buying a letter to State Premiers on 12 July this a new aeroplane, there is talk of having year, the Prime Minister said- teachers carry out the garbage in schools. "I must reiterate that the Common­ wealth considers that the current guarantee Road accidents occurred today while the formula is too generous, and makes the strike was on. The Government could find obvious point that any proposal for con­ 700 policemen to turn out for street marches t,inuation in its present form would not be but it could not find one to handle pedesrtria~ acceptable. I would also wish to reiterate crossings in this city. No policemen were that an important aspect of the tax put to work on dangerous crossings, because sharing arrangements is the emphasis on it was not in the Government's interes,t to responsibility for the States, including res­ do that. It welcomed any inconvenience ponsibiLity for raising revenue themselves or danger for its s.hort-term political in line with their own priorities." advantage. In other words, State taxation. Let me get back to some of the broken promises and why I say, "You can't trust ,In the February 1976 edition of "The the Tories!" In March 1969, the Premier Premier Reports", the Premier promised a was promising a wool-selling oentre at new era for local government, a new deal Longreach. Has the honourable member for for municipal and shire councils. On 21 Gregory now got in his electorate the wool­ March I 979, the Treasurer had to admit, selling centre that Wlas promised 10 years in answer to questions, that local authorities ago? were experiencing difficuhies in mising their loan programmes. If necessary, I can pro­ On 2 May 1978, the Premier announced duce the relevant copy of "Hansnrd". Every the planning for a giant coast watch from local authority in the State has expressed volunteer organisations across Northern concern about the wav in which its finances Australin. and the rates paid -by its ratepayers are being affected. In 1976, the Premier said, Government Members interjected. "Don't worry. Now that I have my 2232 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) colleagues Mr. Fraser and Mr. Anthony For the purposes of my argument, I want down there in Canberra, everything is going to discuss two groups of local authorities, to be hunky-dory." both of which affect my electorate. Firstly, On 12 July 1977, it was announced in I want to discuss the cities of Bundaberg, "The Courier-Mail" that the State Govern­ Cairns, Mackay and Maryborough. Secondly, ment had approved the Burdekin River I want to discuss the city of Gympie, the hydroelectric scheme. I attended the town of Hervey Bay, the town of Warwkk symposium held in Ayr this year, and the and the shire of Woongarra. Water Resoui'ces Commission played down Dealing firstly with the larger cities­ that promise and gave the hydroelectric pro­ Bundaberg received a total grant of $344,000; poSials a low priority. Cairns received $640,000; Mackay received •I thinrk I have shown honourable members $275,000; and Maryborough received the more than 50 broken promises. If I went same as Bundaberg, namely, $344,000. back through the history of the Government, I could produce another 50. They do When we look at Element A, which is not take into account the promises made taken on population and size, we note that by back-bench members, who go out into Cairns received the highest of the four cities their electorates and say that the Govern­ in that category. It received $156,219, ment is going to build bridges, dams, schools, whereas Bundaberg received $140,246, Mary­ and so on. borough received $96,325 and Ma.ckay It is no good the Deputy Premier's saying received $94,925. later that what Mr. Lamond said in Wynnum H is in Element B, the 70 per cent, that is not so, because at that time Mr. Lamond the greatest discrepancy is found, and it is was campaigning with .the .Premier in in that area of the report that I find the Wynnum, attending luncheons organised by greatest criticism. Of those four cities, the National Party. Mackay is completely landlocked and, (Time eXjpired.) according to the Bureau of Statistics, has a Mr. POWELL (Isis) (9.30 p.m.): We have population of 22,000; Cairns has a population just been treated to the ravings of a poli­ of 36,200; Maryborough, a population of tician who is totally devoid of any original 22,050, and Bundaberg a population of thought. From the rubbish that we have 32,500. It must be a:ccepted that the cities heard from Opposition members, it is quite of Bundaberg and Cairns have roughly obvious that they haven't an original thought similar populations. The area of Bundaberg in their heads. One of the stupid statements is 45 sq km and that of Cairns is 56 sq km. that were made was that the Queensland It is reasonable that the Element A amount Government has not reduced income tax. for Cairns ought to be larger than that for Of course it hasn'•t! It doesn't collect income Bundaberg. Bundaberg, like Cairns, is a tax. So how could it reduce income tax? very progressive and fast-growing city, so I Quite obviously, Queensland is the lowest­ do not believe that Bundaberg should receive taxed State in Australia. half the amount that is given to Cairns. My contribution will, I hope, be con­ The disabilities faced by all fast-growing structive, and totally unlike those made by cities are similar. Bundaberg and Cairns are members of the Opposition. I want to growing at roughly the same rate. The address myself to the Local Government neighbouring shires must be discounted. In Grants Commission and the third interim any event, the growth rate in the shires report that has been received from that body. adjoining Bundaberg and Cairns is approxi­ I preface my remarks by expressing the hope mately the same. that nothing that I say by way of constructive criticism is taken personally by any member If we go deeper into the matter and look of that commission. The commission works at the figures that were recently released within certain guide-lines and I am criticising by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, we not the commission or the members of that find that the city of Bundaberg has a total commission but those guide-lines. loan commitment of $7,688,000. Mary­ The Local Government Grants Commission borough has a total loan commitment of works within the guide-lines of two elements, $6,188,000; Cairns has a commitment of namely Element A, which is to comprise 30 $18,780,000 and Mackay $11,384,000. per cent of the availa:ble funds, to be dis­ It ·is fairly obvious that the Grants Com­ tributed on the basis of five-sixths according mission has looked carefully at the loaJll to population and one-sixth according to raisings in local authority areas, and that is area, and Element B, which is to comprise why it has come down heavily in favour of the remaining 70 per cent of the available Cairns. On comparing Maryborough and funds, to be distributed upon the recommen­ Bundaberg it will be seen that Bundaberg has dation of the commission according to the a populattion of 32,500, and Maryborough financial needs of the individual authorities. has 22,000. There is no way in which the As in the case of every other commission and two cities should receive a similar a'!Il(Junt body set up by the Government to advise it, overalJ or that Maryborough should receive the Government does not have to accept the a greater amount of Element B. The Bunda­ advice of the Local Government Grants herg Oity Counci[ loan raisings are greater Commission. than those of Ma,ryborough; Bundaberg is Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2233 a fast-growing area whhle Maryborough is be regarded as luxury items. It should be not. It is important that these matters concentrating on the rate-revenue-raising should be taken into account. possibilities of the shires in question. On going through the figures available I could go through most of the local from the Bureau of StaHstics it is seen that authority areas in the Wide Bay /Burnett Burndaberg provides greater services. Whi1e division and show that each has not received Bundaberg is a developing city, it may have a very generous allowance under Element B. problems in providing water and sewerage It is high time that this Government looked services. In the cincumstances I do not very carefully at the guide-lines that have believe that Element B has been recom­ been given to the commission. I reiterate mended correctly for Bundaberg compared that I have no intention of unduly criticising with the other three cities. the members of the Local Government Grants Commission. They are following the MovJng on now to Gympie, Hervey Bay, guide-lines handed to them. What I am Woongarra and Warwick, which I have asking is that their guide-lines be either more selected because each has a similar popula­ liberal or stipulated differently so that recog­ tion, I point out that Gympie has a popula­ nition is given to the vast growing areas with tion df 11,500, Hervey Bay a population of growing pains and the areas containing a 11,800, Woonga:rra a population of 10,250 large population of retired people or and Warwick a population of 9,310. In area, pensioners. Gympie is 18 sq k!m, Hervey Bay 1,608 sq km, Woongarra 732 sq km and Warwick The other matter that I wish to raise is 26 sq km. When I ascerta'ined how muoh education spending. Many members and a each received from the Local Government large number of people in the community Grants Commission I sww that Gympie have complained because the State Govern­ received $214,000, Hervey Bay $134,000, ment has decided to reduce the amount of Warwick $197,000, and Woongarra a measly money available for teacher aides in Queens­ $126,000. land. A fair sort of debate has been raging in the community. It has probably raised My point is that Element A is based on more heat than light. an almost fixed formula, while Element B Opposition members have been telling us allows for movement-an area where some that Queensland spends the lowest amount weightage ought to be given in favour of per capita on education in Australia. They districts that are growing very quickily. Both do not back their statements with figures. Hervey Bay and Woongarra are growing I should like to present some figures that I very quickly, yet they received the lowest had the Parliamentary Library prepare for amounts of the four that I have mentioned. me. Both Gympie and Warwick have static popu­ lations. They do not have a major growth The per capita recurrent expenditure on factor. Widgee Shire surrounds Gympie, pre-school education in each State was as and has a growth factor, but I am not using follows: Queensland $724; New South Wales, it for comparison purposes. Victoria and South Australia, no figures available; Western Australia $93. The capital Hervey Bay has about an 8 per cent expenditure in Queensland was $287. That growth factor yet it received only $134,000, gives Queensland a tota:l $1,011 per capita whereas Gympie, with a very small growth on pre-school education. The only other factor, received $80,000 more than the State for which figures were obtained was Hervey Bay Town Counci~. There is a great Western Australia which spent $170. discreparncy. Primary school education is the cause of If the Local Government Grants Commit­ some question marks in the community. The tee were to look carefully at the services recurrent expenditure per capita for each provided it would find that Hervey Bay pro­ State was: Queensland $1,029; New South vides serV'ices sim]lar to those proV'ided by Wales (the great Labor State) $890; Victoria the Gympie City Council. Hervey Bay does $1,032; South Australia (another great Labor not have a flash, rather large civic centre. State) $823; Western Australia $838. Capital Because it is a new area these things will expenditure (for which Queensland is come later. The Hervey Bay Town Council criticised so much) was: Queensland $167; has been very frug~ in spending its money. New South Wales $157; Victoria $143; South It is very careful with its rate revenue. Australia $119; Western Australia $169. The lYJPC df people living in an area must Grand totals in primary school education per be considered carefully. A considerable capita were: Queensland $1,196; New South number of retired people and pensioners live Wales $1,047; Victoria $1,175; South Aus­ in the Hervey Bay Town Council area. Such tralia $942; Western Australia $1,007. matters must be considered by local author­ The secondary education per capital ities when they are raising their rates. The recurrent expenditure was: Queensland Local Government Grarnts Commission $1,561; New South Wales $1,498; Victoria should take careful note of the number of $1,870; South Australia $1,523; Western elderly and retired people in a local authority Australia $1,581. Capital expenditure was: area when considering the amount of money Queensland $265; New South Wales $228; that should be given under Element B. It Victoria $206; South Australia $272; Western should not be encouraging local authorities Australia $310. The grand totals for to throw their morney away on what might secondary education expenditure per capita 2234 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

were: Queensland $1,826; New South Wales I do not think it has been spelt out clearly $1,717; Victoria $2,076; South Australia enough that the thrust of the Treasury and $1,795; Western Australia $1,891. Education Department in this field has been to lessen the amount of money spent on The totals for per capita recurrent expen­ teacher aides so that more trained teachers diture for pre-schools, primary schools and could be employed and the pupil-teacher secondary schools were $1,169 in Queensland; ratio could be improved. $1,113 in New South Wales; $1,352 in Vic­ toria; $1,067 in South Australia; $1,006 in Mr. Scott: A spurious argument. Western Australia. The totals for capital expenditure were: $203 in Queensland; $183 Mr. POWELL: The noisy gentleman on in New South Wales; $168 in Victoria; $173 my right says that that is a spurious argu­ in South Australia; $204 in Western Aus­ ment. He probably knows nothing about tralia. That makes a total as follows: $1,372 this matter at all. That particular thrust in Queensland; $1,269 in New South Wales; ought to be supported. I am very suspicious $1,520 in Victoria; $1,240 in South Australia; of trained teachers who say that they need $1,210 in Western Australia. a lot of assistance from teacher aides. When they say that, they are acknowledging their Those figures show very clearly that own shortcomings. A teacher's job is not Queensland has a very proud record in expen­ an easy one and, as a teacher, naturally I diture on education. Of course, the figures accept the need for and applaud the use of are for 1977-78, which I forgot to mention teacher aides. But I also say that the earlier. They are the latest ones available. teacher aide is less necessary in the larger Therefore, the criticism that is levelled at schools than in the smaller schools. In the Queensland Government, that our spend­ secondary schools, teachers already have a ing on education is lower than that of the preparation and correction period, and teachers in primary schools do not have such other States, has been proved, once again, a period. Therefore, there is even less cause to be fallacious, like the rest of the Opposi­ for teacher-aide hours to be as high as they tion's arguments. It is a shame that it does are in secondary schools. Consequently, the not stick to the facts instead of making claim that the Government is lessening the a lot of half-truths and innuendoes, as its standard of education in the State by cut­ previous speakers in this debate have done. ting the hours of teacher aides, particularly I turn to the subject of teacher-aides. I hap­ in the larger schools, is completely false pen to be one of those who can remember because, in fact, it should have absolutely the time when there were no teacher aides no effect at all. It will mean that some in schools, and when the teacher-aide system teachers will have to do more work than was being introduced. I can remember that they have been doing to date. the request of the teaching service \vas that As I go around the schools and talk to if teacher aides were to be introduced into teachers, I find 'that they are quite happy Queensland schools, they should be introduced with the proposition that more teachers into the smaller schools where there was a should be employed within the system. They multi-grade situation. I think everybody certainly appreciate teacher aides. I applaud understands that in the one-teacher, two­ the attitude of Cabinet, which i1 expressed teacher, three-teacher right up to the six­ only yesterday, that teacher aides already teacher schools there has to be a multi-grade employed will not have their hours reduced. situation to some degree. It was recognised Surely it is unfair to take something away that teachers in those schools had a heavier from a person who is already employed. burden placed upon them than did teachers in the single-class situation. It was also recog­ However, I view with a great deal of nised that the teacher aide was most needed concern the determination of the Education in those schools that had roughly the equiv­ Department to carry on with the cuts in alent of classes 6, 5, 4 and 3. I agree whole­ the provision of replacement teacher aides heartedly with that concept. I cannot find any and teacher aides to new schools. I have argument with it at all. a new school opening in my electorate in However, when the teacher-aide system 1980. It will be a class 3 primary school. was introduced into Queensland schools, it If one looks at the scale supplied by the was introduced on an across-the-board basis. Minister for Education, one finds that that The number of hours for the various schools class of school has been very badly done by in was set. One wonders whether that was the supply of teacher aides. I hope that done so that there was a bias in favour of the Education Department and the Treasury the large primary and secondary schools in will look at this matter a little more sympa­ which each teacher had only one grade thetically, particularly in small schools in a in front of him. Some years ago, teachers muiti-grade situation, because they are the in the larger schools did have fairly large ones with the problem of so much prepara­ classes and that, of course, was a limiting tion and correction. factor. However, because of the progres­ sive attitudes of the Queensland Govern­ The other areas of rumoured cuts in ment, the class-size situation has improved. spending were those of cleaning, clerical and Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2235 school administration. I disagree whole­ Grants Commission, and that the Education heartedly with the proposal that clerical Department, when it ex:amines its Budget in and administration assistance to grades 1 the future, pays a great deal of attention to and 2 secondary schools should be cui. That the quality of teaching, the quality of is not work that should be done by teachers. teachers and the fact that teachers ought The assistance is in plain clerical and admin­ not to be called upon to do clerical and istration work, work that should be done by admini•stra:~ive work when they are not so people trained in clerical and administrative trained. matters. Teachers are trained to teach; they are not trained to administer. I have already Mr. WARBURTON (Sandgate) (9.56 said that I have no great argument with p.m.): Some weeks ago I direoted questions cuts in spending on teacher aides, but it is to both the Premier and the Treasurer about absolutely foolish to out the amount of money the power of the State of Queensland to give being spent in an area that is not profes­ tax rebates. Those questions were relatively sional. I reiterate that teachers are not close ~n text. Both the Premier and the trained to do administrative or clerical work. Treasurer showed an abysmal ignorance of That work should be retained for people who the facts. Tonight it was somewhat pathetic are trained to do it. I urge the Minister for to hear the honourable member for Isis, in Education to look very carefully at where his brief reference to the powers of the the cuts are made, because the clerical assist­ States to impose taxes or give tax rebates, ance in ·the class 2 and 3 primary schools make a comment very similar to that given and in the grade 2 and smaller grade 1 to me by the Premier in answer to my ques­ secondary schools is extremely valuable. tion when he said something like this: "If Teachers in those schools do not want to we don't impose taxes-if v.oe don't colle·ct be burdened with the extra administrative 1taxes-then we can',t in fact give tax and clerical work that is being thrust upon rebates." !hem by the Education Department because It continually wants to change assessment As a result of what I have said following procedures in secondary schools. my questrions to the Premier and Treasurer, I hope that they have taken the oppontunity Special education is another area that must to educate themselves about Fraser be considered. There was absolutely no federalism, and particularly Stage II of indication in the Budget papers that there Fraser federalism. I hope that they have would be any cuts in the special education become famiEar with the Act dealing with area. If there are, it is disgraceful. The special education people have been providing tax-sharing arrangements, which I believe an extremely valuable service, especially in was introduced in 1978 and followed a c:mntry areas. They give valuable help in deferral of -the Bill to give the Premiers and c1t~ areas where parents and children can the States a greater opportunity to have a easily get to them, but in country areas look at those mntters. There is such legis­ whe~e _only two or three children may need lation on the CommonweaJlth statute,book. spec~ahst and. remedial teaching they play a There is no question that under Stage II of part1c~larly YI1al role. To my mind any cut­ Fraser federalism Queensland has every right back m that area at all will be detrimental to give tax rebates to each and every work­ to .·the future ed~cational prospects of those ing persons in this State, indeed each and children and their mental health, and add every resident, if it so desires. It does no.t to the problems that their parents have to face. have to introduce legislation for that pur­ pose. It can do so in co-operation with the There is no doubt that the Education Commonwealth. The Commonwealth has "f?epartment's thrust ought to be equal educa­ invited each and every State to enter into tion opportunities for each and every child such a par,tnership. in the State. Any cut-back that affects that The imposition of additional tax would a•im ought to be considered very carefully require legislation of some type, again in indeed. co-operation with the Commonwealth. It is absolute rubbish for members on the Gov­ The Education Department shou.Id be ernment benches to suggest that the Queens­ lookin_g far mc:re carefully at the staffing land Government cannot give tax rebates to estabhshments m the large schools in city the residents of this State. I hope that the areas compared with those in country areas. member who made that comment is li!>tening If a large number of teachers are to be con­ at the moment. gregated in city areas to the detriment of country areas, that is to be great~y deplored. Another matter that concerns me was the That app1ies pa~ticula11ly to the specialist Treasurer's reference to teacher aides. field. I absolutely refuse to accept that Reference was made to it by the previous there should be any cut-back at all. I believe speaker, and an appropriate an:>wer was that the money is being spent wisely a>J.d given by the Deputy Leader of the Opposi­ well. tion. The Treasurer endeavoured to make the point that the change in attitude was I would hope that the Government takes brought about because it had suddenly been into consideration the changing of the gu.de­ discovered tha:t the department had been Iines laid down for the Local Government 1ble to save some money. 2236 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

The attitude of the Deputy Leader of the current financial year ds $4,309,093, which Opposition-and it is also my attitude-was is $706,880 wbove the amount expended in that the matter has received a great deal of 1978-79. Although the salaried staff is to publicity recently. I see that the Treasurer be increased by five, the service remains is shaking his head. The honourable mem­ heavily under-staffed, partly, I believe, because ber for Lytton spoke for quite some time it was formed during an earlier period of about the broken promises of Tory Govern­ State Government cut-backs. ments throughout the land. I remind the Treasurer that, as recently as 27 November, I suggest that the total Vote of $18,710,677 which is only a few days ago, the Minister for Culture, National Parks and Recreation for Education, dn answering a question by 1979-80 is a drop in the ocean when the the honourable member for Merthyr, said- total expenditure from the Consolidated Revenue Fund is to be almost $2,000 miHion. "The following guide-lines have been When we look at the funding of this ministry, laid down for schools in effecting the we can only make the comment that it has reductions in teacher-aide hours. been treated very badly indeed. As I indicated "The rearrangements and reductions for a short time ago, although there has been individuaJ aides should be determined by an increase in funding, which, no doubt, is a committee set up dn each school to acceptable and wiH be welcomed by the advise on the appointment or dismissal of departments, it started off with a very low aides. This committee is to consist of budget indeed. I hoped to see a much more the principal of the school, a member of significant lift in order to enable it to carry the staff of the school and a representative out the various works that I would Hke to of the parents and citizens' association. see carried out under that ministry. "In making reduct,ions where two or more aides are employed in the school, With only seven wildlife rangers and two special consideration must be shown to police officers attached to the Fauna Squad those who are sole supporters of a family

Similarly, when the honourable member New South Wales, Victoria and South Aus­ for Cooroora, in his capacity as chairman of trallia ensure the provision of adequate a National Party committee, spoke out and national parks during the developmelllt of gave his and his party's support to sand­ regional plans. They have a regional plan­ mining on Moreton Island, not one word to mng system that works. In Queensland the contrary did we hear from any Queens­ there is no such approach. land Minister. That is a sorry state of affairs. Most States have a vested responsibility for The design of the ministerial portfolios is pollution prevention, monitoring and control such thrut no buffer exists against the anti­ through statutory bodies, authorities or environmental utterances and activities of depa~tments. These include the Pollution Ministers. The divisions of responsibilities Control Commis5ion in New South Wales, within the ministry are such that environ­ the Environment Proteation Authority in mental concerns are conveniently chopped Victoria and the Environment Protection up and distributed in such a way as to Authority in Western Australia. However, ensure that no one person in the Cabinet is again, Queensland has no such agency over­ directly responsible for planning in the seeing pollution prevention, monitoring and environment. controL In Queensland, environmental monitoring and control are dispersed through a variety To carry on in another vein-and many of agencies within various Public Service honourable members have spoken about this departments. For example, the Clean Waters on other oocasions-~f the people of Queens­ Act is administered by the Minister for land are to receive value for money, it is Local Government and Main Roads, who important to recognise the necessity to is advised by the Water Quality Council, and inst'itute a S:YStem whereby the proc~ses the Clean Air Act is administered by the of investigation, planning, evaluat~on, Minister for Health, who is advised by the execution and review of lrund-use optwns Air Pollution Council. allow proper environmentai objootiv.es to be put into effect. When we taLk I~ terms Most State Governments have seen the of developing national parks and Wilderness merit in establishing specific ministeries in areas we should realise that the benefits recogrr1ition of the importance of integrated to be derived are not necessarily the planning, conservation and pol'J.ution control. immediate Yl!l'lues to be placed on them by New South Wiales has a Minister for contemporary society, but their \II'Orth for Planning rund the Environment, Victoria has future generations. a Minister for Conservation, Western Aus­ tralia has a Minis,ter for Conservation and the Environment, and South Australia has Mr. Austin: Who wrote that for you? a Minister for Planning. I simply indicrute to honourable members that that is the Mr. WARBURTON: The honourable !>ituation in other States. They are to be member is always quoting various parts of commended on their approach to suoh A.L.P. policy that he dislikes. ~ am ref_er­ important matters. ring to some o:f the A.L.P. policy relatmg to the environment. When the honour3Jble The responsibiUty for generating regional member was absent from the Chamber I land-use plans has usually been allocated to said that it is a sad day, indeed, when we statutory bodies more or less independent note that both the Liberal and National of the Public Service. Such bodies include Parties have no publicly stated poLicies in the Planning and Env

In making any recommenda1ions, the com­ allow him to continue with the type of work­ mission would have regara to the preserva­ force structure that he has now. Unfortun­ tion of areas as wilderness, the preservation ately, I cannot see him adding many people of areas that are ecologically significant, the to the work-force as a result of the expendi­ conservation of areas of natural interest, ture of the additional money that he says he beauty or historical interest and the creation has. and preservation of areas as national parks. I believe it is the Queensland Govern­ Should the Natural Resources Utilisation and ment's responsibility to see that our national Planning Commission consider that environ­ parks are ready to accept the tourist. Why mental impact studies were required for any cannot we learn from the experience of proposed development, it should have the others? This is where I want to introduce power under some form of legislation to some ideas to the Government, to overcome have them conducted. Queensland's disastrous unemployment situa­ lf we are to put a stop to the .type of tion. I repeat: why cannot we learn from conflict that we have seen on too many others? occasions in this State between the Govern­ There is a story to tell. For example, the ment and persons or groups of persons who Government has said time and again that it have shown concern for the environment, is sincerely desirous of developing our State's we need to have the public kept fully national parks. It has certainly expanded the informed and able to participate to the fullest areas that have been set aside for national extent in matters affecting, or likely to affect, parks, although we can be somewhat critical our environment. I cannot stress that point of its failure to develop management plans too earnestly. It is of the utmost importance as quickly as some people wish. If we are that we have public participation in all desirous of developing these national parks, aspects of the environment. Unfortunately, certainly the Government should examine the that participation is sadly lacking in Queens­ success story in North Mmerica. I refer to land. what was called the Roosevelt plan, which The importance of the development of came about after the years of the great properly managed national parks cannot be Depression in 1933 to 1940. This is not old underestimated. Such development goes hand hat; this is not something that cannot apply to in hand with our bid to improve and promote the present day. We have economic problems, the tourist industry. If local authorities are and I think that we have to look at any to get any return from the loss of rateable suggestion that comes forward to try to over­ lands that are required for national parks, come the unemployment problems. those parks must be open to some sort of What Roosevelt did was to provide useful control and well-managed public usage. We and exhilarating work for 300,000 people in have heard this matter raised ·in this House that country's national parks and forests at by numerous honourable members. There that time in the Depression period. Today, can be no doubt about the dollar-earning those facilities are acknowledged as being capacity of our State if our national parks the world's best. When we talk about national can quickly develop the type of allure that parks of world fame, I do not think there is is required and if the Government ensures anybody who is interested in this sort of that our parks are reasonably accessible. thing who has not heard of Y ellowstone or There is no hope at all of this happening of some of the other great national parks unless the Government departs from its tired throughout the American continent. Their old ways or, alternatively, a Labor Govern­ facilities are acknowledged as the world's ment is given the opportunity to carry out best, with the numbers of visitors to those its publicly stated programme relating to national parks being reckoned in millions. the matters to which I have referred. The authorities in America have great The other point I want to make •in the difficulty in assessing the numbers of visitors platform I have talked about or the policies from year to year, but in 1972, which was I have enunciated is that •the programme the last occasion on which they made an that I am referring to is pointed directly assessment, the number of visitors to the towards easing the unemployment problem, North American national park system was which this Government exacerbates by its estimated at the staggering figure of inaction. Little has been said in this House ;212,000,000. In other words, 212,000,000 about unemployment except that in previous people visited those national parks that were debates the Treasurer has alluded to the fact developed under the Roosevelt scheme during that some of the finance he has so con­ the Depression period. veniently found will be put to good use The development of the national park giving many more hundreds of people jobs system in America required a great diversity in the State of Queensland. of skills, and this is important. I am not talking about pushing people only into Dr. Edwards: An additional $98,000,000. labouring jobs because, I reiterate, this type of national park development requires a Mr. WARBURTON: That is certainly very diversity of skills. Roosevelt achieved a acceptable. I hope the Treasurer succeeds. number of objectives. His actions not only However, I hasten to say to him that it ensured the preservation of a major part appears to me that the money that he has of that country's heritage and boosted the been talking about on occasions will Jimply tourist potential, which we are all interested Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2239 in, but also, above all, put unemployed which some people could not cope with. How­ people to work. He restored their pride and ever, the type of work I envisage would cer­ gained the nation's respect for what he did. tainly cater for a divers1ty of skills and Many of Roosevelt's emergency relief pro­ would encourage people, if they so desired, grammes were conservation orientated. to continue with some form of eucation. Within three months, the 300,000 workers What I have said is not something that were housed in what he referred to as 1,000 has just been dreamt up; it is quite factual. camps in the national forests and parks. They History shows that Roosevelt's scheme was helped to develop camp sites, buildings, trails, tremendously successful. As a result of bridges, etc. They installed utility systems, that foresight, as a result of pouring that and visitor-use facilities and constructed or finance into national park devebpment, and improved roads. They restored historic build­ as a result of easing the very serious unem­ ings and monuments. On that occasion ployment situation in the process, 1he Roosevelt found the huge sum of American nation now has the most well $220,000,000 to inject into the project over known and frequently visited national parks the period of seven years between 1933 and in the wol1ld. 1940. Mr. UNDERWOOD (Lpswich West) (10.29 Mr. Moore interjected. p.m.): I rise this evening to speak about a matter that is of growing concern to me and Mr. WARBURTON: In other words, he should be of growing concern to all mem­ bers of our community. It is time that the ~howed some initiative and entenprise, which Is more than I can say for the honourable Government took action to ensure that Aus­ member for W•i.ndsor. He accepted what I tralians become masters of their own destiny. regard as the Government's responsibility at In particular, the control of our economy is a time when the rate of unemployment was increasingly coming under the conitrol of the worst in his nation's history. internabionaJ. companies. The States of New South Wales South This is not a problem solely of our age, Australia and Tasmania have ail o~ occa­ but one belonging to earlier decades. How­ sions diverted numbers of their unemployed ever, in the age in which we live it is a and speciad funds, to the development of problem that is growing to immense pro­ nat·i.onal parks. They have certainly not done portions. In fact, the control of our States it to the extent that Roosevelt did in the and nation is passing out of the hands of period of the Depression between 1933 and our Governments directly into the hands of 1940. But that is a story that deserves to the multinationals. be read, and one that the Government I shall not cast the net so wide as to should heed. Most of the 300,000 people in cover all facets of our life controlled by Roosevelt's scheme were young pepole, many the multinational companies, but I do wish of whom had advanced education. My to dwell briefly on the food-processing understanding is that after most of the work monopolies that are increasingly gaining in was completed some of the young people strength within our economy and affecting were able ·to continue on to become the way we live. Food-processing monopolies, botanists, geologiSJts and so forth, and to of which there are only a few in this continue their work in the area of nationwl country, are taking over the small processers parks that they had come to like so much. and controlling the working conditions and There is no question that others had to go the number of jobs available for Australians. back into various areas of the work-force They are gaining greater control over Gov­ following those bad years. ernment decisions. They definitely control to a very large degree the prices that primary However, we cannot kid ourselves that producers receive in the market-place. They .there is not a like situal'ion with us today. definitely control the health of our com­ Certainly the stage of deep depression that munity by deciding the contents of pro­ Roosevelt found his nation in between 1933 cessed foods being sold. There is very little and 1940 has not been reached. I ask the Government control, if any, over what is Treasurer to look closely at that situation. contained in processed food. Just the other It is a logical direction in which to divert dav an honourable member referred in funds. If the Government were to adopt a this House to the rubbish that is put into scheme simhlar to that of R.ooseveH, it processed foods and the fact that Govern­ would be doing something cons·tructive to ments are prepared to take little or no hehp ease the unemployment problem. action to protect the health of the com­ In saying that, I believe that, in particular munity. There are many environmental and the young and certainly the unalitacheci other factors which these monopolies are people in our society who find themselves inflicting upon the welfare and standards of out of work would welcome the opportunity the community in general. to venture into this type of employment Power needs to be taken away from these where a diversity of skhlls is required. That czars of the shadowy world of the inter­ is very important, because too onten in national corporate body. I wish to look at schemes that are mooted to help the unem­ one particular group of companies, which is ployed the work required of these people is increasingly gaining in strength in the Aus­ the ordinary type of labouring work, which tralian food business. I refer to the group na·turally would not suit many people and of companies taking in Henry ]ones (IXL) 2240 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2)

Limited and, I suppose I could add, Pro­ blunders. Unfortunately, that was one of vincial Traders Ltd. In their financial year the reasons for its downfall. The Treasurer ended 29 September 1978, Australian canned has told honourable members that that was and frozen foods contributed 41 per cent of why the Government was not prepared to group net operating profit, overseas food consider providing assistance to the interests in South Africa provided 26 per cent co-operative. and special businesses, including timber, hops, I wonder how much information was sup­ media and jam, provided 33 per cent. plied by the Commercial Bank of Australia This is a major international company to Treasury officials when they were seek­ controlling the food industry of this nation. ing information on which they could decide In fact, Henry Jones (IXL) Limited proudly whether or not to recommend that a guar­ boasts that there are only three major frozen antee be given to the Lockyer Valley Fresh food processers in this country, of which Foods Co-operative Association Limited. I it is the principal one. It is interesting to suggest that because the C.B.A. is a major note that the C.B.A. Bank has a 50 per lender to Henry Jones (IXL), which now cent shareholding in Henry Jones, of which includes Provincial Traders, and also a major there are 27 subsidiary companies. They shareholder, it definitely gave a biased opinion cover a wide spectrum of food processing. to the Government against the Lockyer Their competitors are Wattie Pkt, Edgells Valley Fresh Foods Co-operative. and others. This group of companies has had and will have a major effect on Queens­ Dr. Edwards: No information was provided land primary producers. by the C.B.A. The honourable member knows full well that it was provided by the Lockyer A sad item appeared in "The Courier­ Valley Fresh Foods Co-operative. The Gov­ Mail" on Saturday 1ast, I December 1979, ernment had no power to go to the C.B.A. in the Public Notices section. Notice was given that a petition had been filed in the Mr. UNDERWOOD: Surely the Govern­ Supreme Court of Queensland for the ment would have sought advice from the winding-up of the Lockyer Valley Fresh co-operative's bank. Foods Co-operative Association Limited. It Dr. Edwards: The information was provided is interesting to note that the banker of totally by the co-operative. that co-operative is also the C.B.A. Bank. In 1975-76, when the canning industry of Mr. UNDERWOOD: I accept that. Australia was in extreme difficulty, particu­ The Treasurer went overseas to protect larly in southern States, we saw headlines the Greenvale project. Of course, that pro­ such as "Co-op canners and IXL on opposing ject involved much more money and many sides"-IXL is Henry Jones-and "AIDC more jobs, but surely the honourable gentle­ versus IXL". Since that time that firm has man could have done much more to protect grown from strength to strength, and will an industry which, in the relatively small continue to do so. It does not care about township of Laidley, had on its books 90 the community in which it makes its profits. full-time or part-time employees. Perhaps It is interested only in the profits that it he could have got the creditors and others makes. That is borne out not only by its round a table and negotiated some sort of annual reports but also by reports on its a settlement under which the industry could activities that have appeared in the Press. continue to operate. It also is relevant to look at the Govern­ The situation now is that, because the ment's treatment of the Lockyer Valley Fresh Lockyer Valley Fresh Foods Co-operative has Foods Co-operative Association Limited. I collapsed, the kibosh has been put on a have raised the matter in the House pre­ similar industry starting up in this State viously, so I shall not go over all the details for some time. That is a very sad state again. However, I make it clear that I of affairs for the West Moreton area, in believe that the shadowy world of finance which an increasing number of job oppor­ has crushed that co-operative. tunities is required to assist in overcoming a serious unemployment problem. It is the only instance in this State, or, to my knowledge, in this country, in which The Henry Jones (IXL) group does not farmers involved in vegetable growing have care where it leaves its debris. In "The got together and made a success of such Queensland Times" of 26 November, the a venture. Initially, the co-operative received member for Lytton (Mr. Burns) reported the a relatively small amount of financial assist­ loss of 60 jobs through the sale by Henry ance from the Commercial Bank of Aus­ Jones (IXL) of Provincial Traders' poultry tralia, which looked upon it as a motley division to Ingham's Enterprises. The article group of farmers who were tinkering around said- with the processing of vegetables. However, "Last night, Mr. Burns said PTL's because of the initiative shown by the plumbing division, J. R. Wylie and Sons, farmers, the co-operative was able to make was being 'wound down'." significant inroads into the frozen-vegetable Such companies do not care who they squash markE't in this country without advertising. or what problems they inflict upon household Initially, it had packaging and production budgets. Their only interest is in profit. problems, and with only a small financial base It is time they were pulled into line and to work from, it made some financial some of their unfettered powers taken from Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2241 them, and Governments should have more nation. We face the prospect of becoming power to control the financial banditry that nothing more than the serfs of the inter­ they practise on the economy. national czars, who have no responsibi11ty to I turn now to another sector of this anyone in this country or any other. They group's operations, namely, its interests in are driven by the profit motive. They have the pineapple industry. Strong rumours are no concern whatever for the social debris circulating to the effect that the Henry Jones that they leave behind. It is time that the (IXL) group is planning to set up a cannery Government looked into the Henry Jones and plantations in northern New South (IXL) monopoly and did something about Wales and to mix the pineapples grown reducing its control. there with imported pineapples from its South African holdings. It is planned to Mr. PREST (Port Curtis) (10.45 p.m.): impoTt large quantities of semi-processed I support the remarks made by the hon­ bulk pineapple from South Africa, where ourable members for Bulimba and Lytton the bulk pineapples are produced by cheap about Queensland being worse off today black labour. than it was under the Federal Labor Gov­ ernment between 1972 and 1975. ~he The prablem is, of course, that .'bhe present Tory Federal Government has cut imported product costs less than half the back on the assistance granted for education, price of the Australian product. The fruit local government and main roads. Those can be landed in this country for $55 a are three of the main areas that concern tonne, compared with the cost of the local us. product of $155 a tonne. Quite naturally, this company will create tremendous diffi­ I am concerned particularly about main culties for our local pineapple industry, which roads in Queensland. Because the assi~tance employs thousands of people directly and given by the Federal Government this year thousands more indirectly. is somewhat down, it will not pay for the necessary road maintenance work in Queens­ I am informed that, to operate efficiently, land. The amount allocated by the Federal a cannery needs an annual throughput of Government under the States Grants (Roads) 20 000 tonnes of pineapples. Approximately Act of 1977 increased this year by 7 · 5 per 10,000,000 pineapple plants are required each cent, but inflation will be running at 10 year to produce that quantity. The quanti­ per cent. In 1978-79, the allocation was ties of pineapple plants that Henry Jones increased by 7 per cent, but inflation was (IXL) Provincial Traders is buying through­ running at 8.8 per cent. In the two years out the country is nowhere near that required since Labor was defeated in the Federal to give 10,000,000 producing pineapple plants. sphere, the Queensland Government has Both the State and Federal Governments become 6 per cent worse off than it was should immediately investigate these rumours under the Whitlam Labor Government. and stop the operation of this group. There Motorists in Queensiand are being ripped is no doubt that the continued unfettered off in no uncertain manner. The Queens­ import of pineapples will bring about the land road system is extremely extensive. demise of the Queensland pineapple industry. It is very costly to con~>truct new roads and I now want to quote from some Press maintain existing ones. Recently, when I articles concerning the pineapple industry. travelled on the Madborough-St. Lawrence Firstly, on 15 January 1976, under the head­ section, I noted that insufficient money was line "Union acts to stop African pineapples" being ~pent on it to seal a section that had it was reported- been repaired last year. It is eV'ideiJJt that "The Storemen and Packers Union took major expenditure wiH be required to bring action yesterday to turn back a ship loaded this road back to a standard suitable for with canned pineapples bound for sealing. It is wrong that road cons~ruotion Australia." should be brought to a peak and that insufficient money is then allocated for seal­ On 14 February 1979 the same union was ing it. When a noad deteriorates, it becomes reported as saying that the Queensland pine­ very costly to res,tore it. At the same time, apple industry was under serious threats bv it is very costly to shift construction camps Filipino imports. Three days later, on 17 and bring them back to complete the job. February, the Press reported that Senator Banner called for a pineapple imports ban. Roads in country areas should receive more attention than they are geMing. I point out that, because of a shmtfall in Country people pay their taxes. Indirectly, pineapple production last season, Golden they probably pay more than city Circle did import high-quality pineapples dwellers. New motor cars do not last very from Hawaii to enable it to meet its com­ long when driven on badly corrugated roads. mitments. The Government shou!Jd be more considerate of country people who travel on unsealed Anyone who reads the annual reports of roads, some of which are barely formed. this group of companies can see the serious plight in which the producers in Australia We are concerned because locai govern­ will find themselves unless both the State ment and semi-government bodies are finding and Federal Governments step in to control it difficult to raise loans to cover the wollks those activities that are detrimental to this programmes approved by the Treasury. By 2242 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) the end of this financial year, many of them morning I asked the Minister for Local will be looking to the Government to help Government and Main Roads the following them fill their loan programmes so that question- they can complete their works programmes. "(!) How many air pollution monitoring As the honourable member for lsis said, stations are 'in Queensland? some local authorities are not happy with (2) In what areas are they situated, and their allocations from the States Grants when were they set up? Commission this year. In some instances (3) How many inspectors or operators they have just cause for dissatisfaction. are in Queensland . , ." Dr. Edwards: Some of them are very It must be remembered that this Act was happy, of course. passed in 1963. In the Estimates, $698,000 has been set aside to defray salaries and con­ Mr. PREST: I am talking about the ones tingencies in connection with air pollution that are dissatisfied. control. According to the Minister's answer, there are 61 monitoring stations located at The allocation under Element A is all Brisbane, Bowen, Townsville, :\H. Isa and right. It is on a population basis. That Gladstone and- amount of money can go into the General Fund. But the amount allocated under "The technical and scientific staff of Element B should be used for specified pro­ the division of Air Pollution Control com­ jects. These people put 'in the same sort of prises twenty-one officers. Twenty are programme each year claiming deficiencies based in Brisbane, One is bn:

I am very pleased that the Government prepare children to stand in dole queu~. beHeves great progress will be made in our In my opinion, that is one of the ma;or rail system. I sincerely hope that, con­ problems that must be overcome. currently with an increase in the tonnage If we neglect education, we neglect our carried, some of the railway buildings will responsibilities as parents and as members be upgraded. The Gladstone Railway Station of Parliament. Therefore, I believe that the should be of a very high standard. The car Government should be doing more to honour park is a disgrace. The daylight rail tours its promises to provide pre-school education pass through our centre. Passengers are for all children throughout the State. Even taken by bus from the unsealed car park at today, many children will not have access the front of the station for a tour of the to pre-school education. city. If progress is to be made, such facilities Mr. Powell: Have you any idea what the should be upgraded. figures are? Mr. Davis: Clear the track from there to Mr. PREST: No, but I know that in my Brisbane. Fourteen hours-what a joke! electorate the Minister for Education promised that a pre-school would be built Mr. PREST: That is so. The trains must at South Gladstone in time to take enrol­ be speeded up. ments for 1978. It is now almost 1980 but With the proposed improved facilities there no pre-school has been built. He stated also will be greater responsibility on the railway that pre-schools would be avaHable at the work-force. At a function last Saturday Gladstone Central and Gladstone West State night a traffic superintendent said he wished Schools for an intake of pupils in 1979. to get the co-operation of the railway In 1980, a pre-school will be available at workers because what the railway was doing Gladstone West to cater for 100 children. would create jobs and do wonders. I am a 'fhey wiU be selected from an area in close believer in the railways. However, I would proximity to the school. like to see amenities upgraded and accommo­ Mr. Powell: I would say that it is poor dation for all railway workers improved. representation. For too long they have put up with bond­ wood huts and other accommodation that Mr. PREST: The honourable member would not be tolerated under any other would be better off in the Scouts. He would award. Considering the great opportunities enjoy that much more. When one hears for the Railway DepaDtment, I sincerely hope the honourable member for Isis expressing that the wages for workers are increased his opinions on education, it is easy to under­ accordingly. stand why people in industry say that children are not being prepared to enter the work­ We have heard much about cuts in teacher force. If the honourable member was any aides, supply A teachers, janitor I grounds­ younger, he would be called a juvenile men, cleaners and clerical staff. In primary delinquent. schools, cuts in teacher aides were to be The Government is also neglecting the from nothing in very small schools to 33t Works and Huosing portfolio, and police per cent in class Ill schools (down 20 hours stations and police and teacher accommoda­ a week). Larger schools were also to be tion are sadly lacking. Court houses that severely affected, being down 25 hours a have been in need of upgrading for a 'long 'Week. The cuts were to be 30 per cent and time have been neglected. The Opposition 25 per cent for enrolments of 601 to 1,000 realises that the Works Department has a and in excess of 1,000 respectively. There wide range of responsibilities, but an effort were to be cuts in pre-schools. should be made to overcome the prO'blems to which I have referred. Dr. Edwards: Haven't you read today's I have here a copy of a very glossy booklet paper? entitled "Queensland Development". Mr. PREST: If changes have been made, Mr. Powell: A good book. they would only have been brought about Mr. PREST: lt is a very good publication by pressure-pressure from parents and and has achieved good publicity for the cit,izens, pressure from the Queensland Government. Unfortunately, recently I Teachers' Union and pressure from the received a 'letter from a local authority-it public. We have heard that cuts are not wrote not only to me but also to the State going to be made in teacher aides, supply Public Relations Bureau-claiming that the teachers and so on at the moment. How­ booklet was very misleading. It mentioned ever, as the cleaners and clerical staff leave, instances in which the book,let states that the cuts will be put into effect. certain work has been carried out where in We should not go back to the dark ages fact there has been no activity, and other of 1972 and 1975, when the bigger boys or instances in which the estimated cost of parents and citizens were looking after the schemes to be implemented has been very grounds. People were doing voluntary work. much over-estimated. Surely we want to stay abreast of the times I am concerned particularly about a and prepare our children to a standard statement in it relating to the Rundle oil-shale where they can take their place in society project in the Calliope Shire. It says that after leaving school. We do not want to $2,000 million wiU be spent on the project Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 19791 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2245

and that by 11981-82, $200,000,000 will be spent people like myself but also by those who on stage I, which is the instalilation of a have the expertise to !mow what is plant with a production capacity of 23,000 happening. barrels a day. I refer to a statement that appeared in ,Jn answer to a question asked by the "The Sunday Mail" on 13 August 1978 member for Nudgee, the Treasurer said attr'ubuted to Mr. M. J. Cal1aghan, the gen­ he had some reservations about the pro­ eral secretary of the PoLice Union. He jeot. He said that the companies were still stated that Queensland faced a lawless society moving to be in a position to start develop­ in which mob control would be normal and ment as ~oon as possible amd had approached the law of the jungl'e wou!Jd be the only possible customers and participants. I respected authority. Those are harsh words betieve that his cautious use of the word and they must make every thinking Queens­ "poss'ible" signifies that a lot of "ifs" are lander stop and wonder what is going to associated with the projeot and that its happen in the future. He has clearly stated ftla:s~bility has yet to be established. that we face a lawless future. I believe that the Rundle oil-shale project He went on to say that the fight against could be another Poseidon, with investors crime involving violence, juvenile delin­ sending company share prices sky-rocketing quency and white-collar criminals already on the basis of pure s·peculation rather tham was being lost. Those are words that I proven economic v'iabiHty. hope the Treasurer and members of the Gov­ ernment will heed. He went on to say that In speaking to his Estimates, the Minister many things were needed in the Police Force for Mines, Energy and Police said that the if it is to do anything to combat the menace. establishment of any plant to extract oil He referred briefly to motor vehicles, police­ and other fuels from raw matetials could men in outlying centres, renovation of build­ involve the eXJpenditure of millions of dollars. ings, facilities and so on. The essence of He added thllit no such plaiJJt could be his comment was that Queensland faced a successful without some measure of Gov­ lawless future. The other aspect is that the ernment support a,nd the guaranteed market­ fight against crime is almost lost. ing of its products. I noted another release of more recent He went on to say that the OPEC times by the Assistant Commissioner (Crime countries could reduce the pnice of crude oil and Services), Mr. Les Duffy, who said that to make .the operllitions of such an extraction there is a real problem in street crime. plant uneconomic. I wholeheartedly agree. He made the point that some 30 years I.f the OPEC countries saw a shale-oil plant ago assault, robbery and mass rape were as a threat to them they cou1d immediately unheard of to any large degree, but that drop thelir price of oH, ther{'jby turning that is not so today. He also commented a shale-

I wonder if Cabinet Ministers and those This was the cost simply of the machinery people who have a say in the final distri­ of law enforcement, insurance against bur­ bution of money have paid much attention glary and the value of stolen money and to what Mr. Lewis said. He went on to property. It did not include the loss of say- profit suffered by victims of crime and their "The total number of offences recorded employers, replacement of damaged property, in the past 12 months was 147,381 ... security costs and many social costs. That This was an increase of 12,512, or 9 per is a massive sum of money. cent, which was much higher than the I state this because it is important. It increase of reported offences of 7,722 or is easy for Opposition members to kick the 6 per cent of 1977-78." Government, but in 1976, based on a survey He then listed the categories of crime and carried out in 1972-73, Queensland had made the disturbing statement that the clear­ the second-lowest crime problem in the up rate fell slightly from 42 per cent to nation and the second-highest per capita 40 per cent. He stressed that the force expenditure on law enforcement. That is must be provided both with numbers and an interesting correlation. If it is taken equipment to meet the challenge posed by further, it will be found that Tasmania had the current crime trends. the lowest crime problem and the highest expenditure on law enforcement. I suggest It could well be said that the Govern­ that there is a very clear correlation between ment has taken these points into consideration moneys expended on law enforcement and as I note that there is to be an increase the combating of crime and the results of 2! per cent in the strength of the force. achieved. That is commendable, but nowhere enough The fact is that there is a serious crime in the light of the remarks made by those problem, one that I do not think enough in the know-those in the front-line of the members of the Government are aware of battle against crime. or are concerned about. It is very easy to Mr. Lewis's report goes on to stress- talk about young offenders, drunks, statistics "The high incidence of involvement by on the number of Aboriginal people appre­ young people in criminal offences, men­ hended and domestic problems, but in doing tioned in my last report, is still causing this we are not getting down to many of me concern." the real problems. We are not giving our Police Force the opportunity to combat this Later he referred to juvenile crime and problem. then moved into the area of drug off~nces. He wrote- One previous speaker, I think it was the honourable member for Bulimba, mentioned "! regret to report that the growth of that only 27 officers were involved in com­ drug use and abuse in Queensland shows bating the drug problem in Queensland. no sign of abating . . . There was a 24 While the other 3,000 members of the per cent increase in the number of offences Police Force naturally involve themselves in detected as a result of police action." this area, that is too few for such a serious I have developed very quickly a clear picture problem. The report of the Commissioner of crime trends in Queensland. To be statis­ of Police shows it to be increasing by at tical, I will turn to the selected crime cate­ least 24 per cent a year and costing this gories dealt with on page 5 of the report State many millions of dollars. It is a prob­ where the commissioner said- ' lem that is destroying the lives of hundreds, "Homicide showed a disturbing increase if not thousands, of young Queenslanders. from 121 to 167 this year, serious assaults The police are unable to combat prostitu­ were up from 721 to 945, stealing and tion and massage parlours, mainly because unlawful use of motor vehicles rose from of lack of manpower. Whatever the area 5,617 to 5,892 ... of crime, the police are undermanned and . "I am deeply concerned at the persistent unable to do their job. It is time that some­ high level of breaking and entering thing was done for the police, not only offences." from the point of view of manpower or, as recently mentioned in the Press, the use In whatever category we look into the selected of computers to combat crime, but to crime area, there is an increase and the encourage community support. Commissioner of Police said that is deeply h~ I agree with Vern MacDonald and a few ~o~cerned about i~. He referred to the high of the other experts in the police field that Incidence of certam types of crime. He is the greatest need at the moment is com­ concerned at the overall crime picture in munity support. It is some years ago that this State yet, when it comes to the allocation the then Minister for Police, Mr. Hodges, of funds, really little has been done to cope put out a special release on the apathy of with the problem. the public towards law enforcement in this It might be said that money does not State. I concur with his remarks. The solve everything, but a lot of evidence shows general public are apathetic and, unless some­ that when money is spent on combating thing is done about it and attempts are crime, results are obtained. In 1976, it was made to develop a social consciousness among estimated that crime in Queensland cost the the community, Australia will end up like State the exorbitant sum of $220,000,000. the United Kingdom and especially like Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2247 the Statec of America where people are There is the same problem in Australia. A not game to do anything about crime. study was carried out in my own city of People i.n the streets of New York will Rockhampton by a police officer. He found walk by when someone is being assaulted. that at least one-third of the students in They just take no notice of any crimes one class-room in one school were regular users of marijuana. Other studies have been that occur. They want no part of them. carried out. One was carried out by an They do not want to be involved. institute in the central region, and it was That is the sort of situation that will found that one-third of the students had develop here. Australia may be a few years used marijuana prior to going to the in~ti­ behind these other countries but the situa­ tute, and that another third of the students tion :s such that it will soo~ be like them. used marijuana once they got to the insti­ This has happened in the types of crime tute. But no-one told. that have come here. It has happened in In faat, when an organisation ca!Jed Drug so many other areas, such as the involve­ Dependency was set up in the area, that ment of women in crime and the decreasina age of juveniles involved in crime and it institute, that student body, put out an will be reflected, too, in a total 'lack of article in its magazine that implied that this co.~munity involvement and community organisation was made up of police clobbers, w1lnngness to help the police. I have spoken and the students were told not to go near to some police officers and they have told it for help because they would get dobbed me that they have known of instances where in to the police. That was completely untrue. one police officer has had to take on 13 When we coiJJfronted the representatives of or 14 young louts-they used the term the student union about the matter, they "louts"-and other people have just stood said that they were sorry but that they had by and watched; no-one was prepared to no control over the articles printed in the help. It may be that these people did not magazine. want to mvolve themselves because it was no:1c of their business, but I believe that The point I make is that, in the drug area, Ln; e:1forcement is the responsibility of no-one will tell. If the spread of drugs and everybody, and that when it comes to crime the concerning aspects of the drug trade in somehow we have to create a community this State are to be overcome, it will not be awareness and responsibility. done just by increasing the number of officers in the field from 27 to 270. That is This applies not only in the area of assaults no-t the only answer. The only way to do it and bashings in the streets, but more so in is to convince the public that they have the area of drugs. Recen:tly I had the oppor­ a responsibiHty to help. The Government tunity to travel in other parts of the wor1d. is the only body with the opportunity and I took the opportunity to speak to the the finance to wage such a public campaign children in one class at a school. There in order to create that community respon­ were some 40-odd students in that class. I sibility and to remove community apathy. asked them to be very frank with me and tell me how many of them knew of other I a':k these questions on behalf of tbe young people in that school who were on young people who will be caught up in the drugs. Every young person in that class­ drug trade in the future. There will be room put up his hand. We then discussed thousands of them in the years to come. In the matter further, and found out that they this Parliament in 1971 I asked the Premier believed. there were some 300 to 400 young a quesuion about the drug problem, and he people m that school of 111bout 1,300 pupils said there was none. However, it was not who were regularly using drugs. They also long after that that the then Minister for stated that they estimated that about 100 Health, Mr. Tooth, came out and said that of the young people in that school were on there was a drug problem. Since that time, hard drugs. But no-one was ever caught. it has escalated to such prOIPOrtions that tens of thousands of young people are They also admitted to me that the drugs involved. It is a multimililion doHar busi­ were spread in those schools not by the ness involving, as it is now claimed, busi­ pusher, as we seem to think, but by friends. ness people, police and so many others in It was the friends who encouraged others the commul1lity. The faot of the matter is to get involved in the drug scene. It was the that it has to be fought. Other countries friends who passed out the LSD, the piHs are having great trouble fight~ng it but, if and the marijuana, and then these people the people can be brought on side, some­ were caught on drugs. Maybe we should thing can be done aJbout it. start describing these people as rattlesnakes, because 1:hat is what they are. Whilst they I suggest that the comments being made are seen to be friends in one instance, in the by the Commissioner for Police (Mr. Lewiis), longer term they will destroy the future of Assistant Commissioner Mr. Les Duffy, and these young people. But the point I make is the secretary of ~the Queen~land PoHce that these young people, regardless of the Un1ion (Merv Ca~llaghan) should be noted and consequences and of the deterioration in that action should be taken o!o do something the he111lth of their own friends, were not about these problems. In 1976 crime cost prepared to teil anyone who was giving out $220,000,000. With the problem of white­ these drugs. coLlar cnime I 'would not be surprised if

Mr. Houston: The Government gained giving them too much power, as there is time. always the danger of a breaking down of civil liberties. Mr. WRIGHT: I am not sure what the I say over and over again, at the risk of reason is, but the point of the member for sounding like an echo, that 57 majm recom­ Bulimba could be very valid. mendations from the matter of vagrants to the poHce badet system to recruitment, have There is also a recommendation that the simply been cast aside. The report goes on Law Reform Commission should consider an on. It suggests that police should not be whether it is desirable to create a statutory involved in the licensing area; that they tort of unlawful search. I notice that some should not have any responsibility in the of the ideas have been implemented in the administ.ration of the Liquor Act. We have recent firearms legislation in relation to the heard no more of this. We have had no taking of footprints. There are also a amendments coming before the Parliament. number of recommendations that the We have had nothing said about recom­ Criminal Code be amended to allow arrest mendations to the Law Reform Com­ without warrant for offences. Th'at applies mission. I have heard of no notations sent to sections 427 and 428 of the Criminal to the Law Reform Commission that it Code. These matters ought to be open to ought to consider a number of aspects that debate. That is what should happen when a have been raised in this report. Why not? Government goes to such expense to obtain In my opinion, the Minister for Justice and a report. There ought to be wide public Cabinet have let the people of this State debate on it, and then there should be down. They have wasted time and p;o­ implementation of it, well within the 2_! crastinated, and they ought to do somethmg years that have elapsed since the report was about it. I make the point th_at there are submitted. some aspects of the report with which members of the Opposition would not agree; As to detention-the recommendation in but we do say that something ought to be the report is that police should be given done to finalise it, to fully debate it and to power to detain suspects for questioning, implement aspects of it. subject to certain controls. This matter On ·another subject, the honnura:ble ought to be the subject of extensive debate member for Ly.ttcm made the point and of further recommendations to this that this State has been the victim Parliament. There is also the recommenda­ of the broken promises of the Federal tion that the drawing of no adverse inference Government. I do not think that there will from a suspect's silence in response to poHce be any argument from the Treasurer about questioning should not apply. I would be that, because on page 5 of the Financial greatly concerned if that was implemented, Statement he said that it has been calculated thus removing the right of silence of any that Queensland's financial prospects person under challenge or being questioned deteriorated to the e~tent of $38,800,000 in by police. about two months as a result of Common­ wealth policies and actions. Mr. Miller, I could go on at length, Mr. Houston: His colleagues. because the document covers many pages as you, having studied it, would be well aware. Mr. WRIGHT: That is the amazing thing H ought to be the subject of further dis­ about it. In another part of the Financial cussion, statement and recommendation in Statement he makes the comment that the this House. I challenge the Minister for relative disadvantage Queensland has experi­ Justice to tell us what is going on. What enced is further illustrated by the fact that has happened during these 2_! years? Who the increase in Queensland's general revenue are the members of the committee set up assistance this year will be 8.6 per cent, by the Government? Haw many times have compared with an average of 10.5 per cent they met? For what duration have they for the other States. met? Haw many submissions have they Dr. Edwards: Our honesty, of course, is made to Cabinet? What implementation of quite important. the many recommendations has taken place? They are important. Some of them are far­ Mr. WRIGHT: I accept that. I am not reaching. Some of them are major initiatives. doubting that for one moment, but I am asking what the Government is doing about I refer to the release of prisoners to it. For many years honourable members assist in the investigation of offences, as long opposite castigated the Whitlam Government; as the consent of the prisoners concerned yet we never hear boo out of them about has been obtained. There are also suggestions the present Federal Government. about special laws to allow police officers Dr. Edwards: That was righteous criticism. to form road-blocks. Rules for powers of entry are suggested, as well as new sugges­ Mr. WRIGHT: That might be the honour­ tions for issue of warrants directing entry able gentleman's view. In my opinion, it and search for viotims of kidnapping and was unfair criticism, and earlier in the debate abduclcions. This is the sort of crime we are the honourable member for Lytton and the getting in our community. The Government honourable member for Bulimba clearly ought to update the rights of police, without stated what the Whitlam Government meant 2250 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) to this State, what it did for the people of They have suggested many schemes to create Australia, and what has happened in the industry, but not much assistance has been last four years under the Fraser Government. forthcoming. Mr. Cascy: That was without the co-opera­ I would make the comment that the tion of the State Government. What could Government could experiment from a tourist it have done if the State Government had point of view, and I recommend that con­ been prepared to co-operate? sideration be given by the Government to a special allocation of funds to establish Mt. Mr. WRIGHT: That is a very valid com­ Morgan as a major tourist centre. The ment. I should like to know what the Government is willing to give Mr. Iwasaki Treasurer is going to do, because the people massive areas of land; it is prepared to give of Queensland are suffering. No longer can him great privileges in regard to liquor honourable members opposite blame the licences, the freeholding of land and the socialist Government in Canberra, because raising of cattle; it is willing to let him the present Government is of their own break his own promises and contracts. But political colour. when it comes to something that is really Queensland, the Government does nothing But it is not only the Federal Govern­ about it. ment which has broken promises. Not There is a sound reason why a tourist so long ago this Government made a centre could be established at Mt. Morgan. wonderful promise to the people of Mt. The main street could be reconstructed to Morgan. Now I am told that there is simply portray it as it existed at the turn of the no money available to assist them. If ever century. Alternatively, Mt. Morgan could there is a case for reviewing our approach be restored to depict it as a typical mining to the way in which the State is run, I town at the turn of the century. We may think it is to be found in Mt. Morgan. There be talking about hundreds of thousands of has been talk about the need for regional dollars. However, the expenditure of that development. Mt. Morgan would provide an money could be worth while because the ideal opportunity to experiment with regional tourist industry in Central Queensland would development. The people of Mt. Morgan greatly benefit. have been totally frustrated by the policies of the State Government and the Federal Unlike the people of Mt. Morgan, Liberal-National Party Government. They the Government seems to have thrown have made promise after promise in relation in the towel. This has been shown by the to what they will do to establish industries fact that the Treasurer, in his Financial there and to assist the people, but nothing Statement, talks about revenue being down has been done. They cannot even build a by $38,800,000 in two months, but has done road between Rockhampton and Mt. Morgan; nothing much about it. they cannot even come good with reasonable subsidies to help promote the tourist industry. Dr. Edwards: That is unfair and untrue. In the Banana Shire and other National Mr. WRIGHT: The Treasurer made the Party-held shires, there is no difficulty in comment. I invite him to tell the people of finding money for water supplies and water Queensland what he has done. I am sure reticulation. In Mt. Morgan, it is up to the they would like to know what he is trying council to provide the funds needed. I would to do to overcome the difficult situation that ask that the Treasurer look at that problem. the Liberals in Canberra have created for Dr. Edwards: Where did the Government the State of Queensland. fund water resources in the Banana Shire? As I say, the Government has thrown in the towel. It has bowed down to the Mr. WRIGHT: It is on record. I will send Commonwealth. The long-term result will the honourable gentleman the letters, if he be a diminishing role for this State Govern­ wishes me to do so. I do not know whether ment and other State Governments to play. it was Mr. Neville Hewitt or Mr. Hartwig PersonaHy, I think that is a pity. who finally obtained the money, but the Mt. Morgan Shire is ropable about it because Hon. L. R. EDWARDS (Ipswich-Deputy it had proof that State Government moneys Premier and Treasurer) (I 1.51 p.m.), in reply: were made available for that water supply I thank honourable members for their con­ but not for the Mt. Morgan water supply. tributions to the debate. Firstly, the Deputy The honourable gentleman can answer that Leader of the Opposition raised some import­ later. I will send him the letters, because ant matters. He indicated that my speech I do not expect him to have all the details this evening was rather short and not of at his fingertips. much significance. The reason for that was I suggest that the Government ought to that in presenting my Financial Statement experiment with the town of Mt. Morgan. I made a very lengthy speech to cover all The people certainly have not given up. aspects, thereby giving all honourable mem­ They are a hardy type of people, as the bers an opportunity to engage in a full Budget honourable member for Port Curtis, who debate. represented them so well for a period, will The Deputy Leader of the Opposition tell the House. They are die-hards. They will referred to question-time. The blame for fight and fight, but they need some assistance. certain things that he complained about rests Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) 2251 upon the Opposition. The questions without four hospitals. To make the position clear, notice asked by Opposition members are very at Ferny Grove planning is well advanced, few in number. and we will honour our commitment about that hospital. The Wynnum hospital is Mr. Houston: 'vVe can't get the answers. also well advanced. Tenders will be called Dr. EDWARDS: That is not my judgment. in the very near future. In relation to the The opportunity is given to Opposition mem­ Sali~bury hospita'l, the Government decided bers to make the most of question-time. I to convert the Mt. Gravatt hospital from urge them to accept that responsibility. a maternity hospital to a full general hospital. As a result, the needs of the Salisbury The Deputy Leader of the Opposition also area will be met fully by the revitali,.d Mt. talked about the early retirement of police. Gravatt hospital. That decision has been I make it quite clear that the Government's welcomed by the Salisbury people. Diffi­ intention will be honoured. Despite what cult>ies have arisen in the acquisition of the honou~able member for Lytton says, the the hospital site at Sandgate, but the Gov­ scheme will come into operation from 1 ernment will honour its commitment about January. The Government has made that decision and will stand by it. That fact is that hospital. The Government has also appreciated by the Police Department and committed itseLf to a hospital at Dysart, members of the Police Force. and that proposition is well advanced. The honourable member paid a tribute As to the honourable member's statement to the Whidam Government. It seems to about teacher aides and janitors, the Gov­ me that Opposition members have suddenly ernment position is penfectly dear. I make found a new hero. Mr. Hayden has been it dear again that on all ocoasions-in the such a disaster for the Opposition that quite Budget speech, in the Budget discussions suddenly everything that Mr. Whitlam did and in the summing up on the Budget­ assumes great importance. The honourable ! indicated that an undertaking would be member for Bulimba stated that Mr. Whitlam given by the Education Department to review was generous t? the States. He may have ex,penditure as quickly as posSiible and, if been generous m some ways; but ·this State there was any way in which the Government and country have never recovered from the oould review the situation in the light of Whitlam era. savings in Education Department S;Pending, action would be taken to reconsider the Opposition Members interjected. proposed decrease in the hours of work for people in those fields. Dr. EDWARDS: I thought that would stir up Opposition members. The inflation Mr. Houston: Why did you peg education problem, the high interest rates and other baok $6,250,000? difficulties were created by the Whitlam Governmen!. It _is pleasing to see Opposition Dr. EDWARDS: Education got an increase mel!'bers Identify themselves with Mr. of $49,000,000. The Budget allocation this \Yhitlam. In 1974, there were only 11 Opposi­ year for education is $521,000,000---an tiOn members in this Parliament. It is well increase of $49,000,000 on last year. Educa­ kno:wn that their identification with Mr. tion has not been cut back at all. The Whitlam was not acceptable to the people percentage of 'increase is above the inflation of QueenslaJ?d. ~o tonight I am happy to rate and above the percentage increase given see them Identify themselves with Mr to other departments. Whitlam. · The honourable member for Bulimba It was disappointing to me to note that raised two or three other matters and asked the Leader of the Opposition did not even about the cross-river bridge. Tenders for bother to take part in the debate. That that bridge have closed. It is hoped that shows, of course, how little importance he in the very near future a final assessment places on the policies of his ,party. of tenders will be made and a decision !he Deputy_ Leader of the Opposition also reached. The Government will be fuifilling sa1d that Whitlam was responsible for the its obligation. Govemm~t's raising of royalties. What The honourable member commented on utter rubbish! The royalt'ies were increased the Government's rail electliifiootion pro­ wt?Il. be~ore Whitlam did anything to the gramme. It is well known that those who m~mng mdustry. The honourable member were able to ride on the electric train a said that we were on the Whitlam formula couple of weeks ago fully support what and he corrected himse]f later. Queensland has been undertaken. The Government is has never at any time been on the Whitlam committed to an eXij)enditure of $200,000,000 formula. to complete the programme over a four-year period. The honoumble member for Mr. Houston: You were on it this year. Archerfield delivered his usual diatribe about Di!>triot Court judges and so forth. I am Dr. EDWARDS: This is the first year sure that the Minister for Justice and that we wiH reach the base. What the Attorney-General will look into these honourable member said indicat,ed that he matters. I was very interested to hear his was not fully aware of the situation. comments on the Lang Park Trust. I am The honourable member also said that sure that his colleague Senator McAuliffe the Government committed itself to building will be very interested to hear some of 2252 Appropriation Bill (No. 2) [4 DECEMBER 1979] Appropriation Bill (No. 2) his comments about the Lang Park Trust. We have been through this maHer time and No doubt he will have oomething to say time again. The reason why the Govern­ to the honourable member about them. ment could not assist with a Government I was very interes,ted to hear the hon­ guarantee is that the co-orperatlive could not ourable member for Lytton say that the meet the c11iteria laid down. The resuJts honourable mernber for Ancherfield does not speak for ~hemselves. The honourable have his support on the matter. I feel sure member referred to the pineapple industry that the honourable member for Lytton is and no doubt my colleague the Minister for aware of the dire ~traits in which the Lang Primary Industries will look at that matter. Park Trust finds itsetf. Indeed, Mr. Deputy The honoumble member for Port Curtis ~eaker, is well aware of the proposal. I raised varlious matters which I believe have am hopeful that, as a result of discussions been covered. The Government's road pro­ we can come to a solution that will b~ gramme is something that the Minister for aocep_table to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, in Local Government and Main Roads has con­ the light of the strong representations you tinually brought to the attention of the have made, and that will a'lso be aoct11)table Federal Government and we have achieved to the Lang Park Trus,t and the community some benefits. whom you have represented so well. The other matter raised by the honourable I was very interested to hear the com­ member was noise wbatement. I have made ments made by the honourable member for specirul funds available for this authority and Lytton, but I am sure that they were just it will be set up

$13,800,000 has been advanced. In ~xcess of [Wednesday, 5 December 1979] 14,000 applications have. been ~eceiVed and advice given for techmcal asststance only FARM WATER SUPPLIES ASSISTANCE during the same period. D~mand fing common law rights through the behalf of the Opposition, I have no objec­ COUI'ts. However, e:&perience has shown that tion to the provisions ,of the Bill. Earlier it is not clear to some sections of the com­ in the year the same type of provisions ,were munity that recourse to 'Common law exists State Government [4 & 5 DECEMBER 1979] Insurance Office, &c., Bill 2255

as an alternative to arbitration. The pro­ A difference is being made, however, in posed new subsection ·will clearly state the relation to the investment policy of the alternative procedures available in cases of S.G.I.O. As little information is available disputed claims. as to what the Workers' Compensation Board I commend the Bill to the Committee. is doing with its investment money, I should like the Treasurer to indicate whether any Mr. HOUSTON (Bulimba) (12.22 a.m.): change has occurred in policy and whether The proposals put forward by the Treasurer the investment board handles its money as appear to be quite simple. The first is that the S.G.I.O. did. the reference to the General Reserve Fund The S.G.I.O., as an insurance company, should be deleted, and that is a natural competes with private insurance companies. follorw-on from the separation of the .workers' Their policy-holders demand that their money compensation function from the State Gov­ be invested at a reasonable rate of interest. ernment Insurance Office. I believe that the S.G.I.O., being a State Perhaps I should spend a moment or two Government instrumentality, also has an considering whether or not the change has obligation to its policy-holders. I can well worked ·out in accordance with the great imagine that it is not easy to strike the most hopes df the Government. From the satisfactory balance, but I would ask the worker's point of view, I am sure that he Treasurer to indicate whether the investment wonders what was in it for him. The Gov­ policy has changed. ernment has not seen fit to increase the pay­ In this debate a member could cover a ments available at the time of the separa­ wide range of insurance business. I do not tion for the various injuries that workers intend to do that. I know that one of my suffer, and I think that the amounts should colleagues wishes to speak on motor vehicle be updated quite regularly, i!f only to take insurance, so I will reserve further comment into account cost-of-1iving increases, infla­ until I have seen the Bill. tion, and so on. Dr. Edwards: I think that the claims are Mr. MACKENROTH (Chatsworth) (12.27 indexed up. a.m.): I rise not to attack the policies of the S.G.I.O. but to speak about comprehensive Mr. HOUSTON: Yes, but more than that motor vehicle insurance and third party is required. Lndexation is one thing, but the property damage policies. I am concerned realities of living on workers' compensation at the manner in which a lot of people in are completely different. One comes back to this State are being rippeil off by insurance the situation that if a person requires $100 companies, including the S.G.I.O. The most for groceries, and so on, and he receives common insurance policy today contains an $110, he has only $10 to play with, whereas excess clause, whether it be related to age, a fe1low on $200 a week has $100 to play the fact that the insured has not had a with. There is a fixed base, and I believe licence for two years, or somthing else. Some that the Government would be warranted in people accept a $50 excess to keep their considering an increase in workers' com­ premiums at a low level. pensa:tion payments for various injuries, par­ What is happening is that if somebody ticularly to workers in the lower income has an accident and is not to blame, and if bracket. his insurance policy contains a $50 or $100 I point out to the Treasurer that amounts excess, he claims against his insurance com­ awarded by the courts for injuries of a pany and is paid the cost of repairs less the certain type have reached such a high level excess. Normally, his insurance company that it would almost pay workers through writes to him saying that he can claim the their unions to claim at common law instead balance from the other driver's insurance of settling for workers' compensation. But, company. What happens in almost all cases, of course, we do not want that to happen. however, is that the other driver's insurance If it does, the courts will become bogged company writes to the person making the down and the litigants will be put to unneces­ claim saying that, because it considers him to sary expense. However, workers' compensa­ be partly to blame, it will not pay him the tion payments must be related to payments money. made by the courts. I believe that people in Queensland are In workers' compensation claims there is being ripped off because the insurance com­ no need for an applicant to prove negligence panies have formed a cartel. Most insurance on the part of his employer. Workers' com­ companies have signed an agreement that pensatic:n is, in effect, a payment arising from they will not take one another to court to ~~ accident. If negligence is present, the apportion blame in an accident. If a person ll1J~red person has redress at common law. has a car accident and claims on his insur­ It IS of no great comfort to an injured ance company, it automatically pays out person to be told that because he suffered an the sum claimed, and the other insur­ ~ccident he is entitled to so much, whereas ance company then pays it a certain amount. If he had, say, slipped in a different manner But the excess is not apportioned by the he would be entitled to receive much mme: companies. It is up to the private individual However, I do not want to labour that to take legal action to try to get blame point. I cannot see that any great change apport:oned. That should not be the has been made in that respect. responsibility of any person. 2256 State Government, &c., Bill [4 & 5 DECEMBER 1979] Motor Vehicles, &c., Bill

I cite the case of a young lady who was for the Government to adopt. I will approach driving her car into the city when another the Minister to see when a re\ciew was car came through a red light on her right last made and to ascertain whether one is and collided with her. When she claimed being conducted or will be conducted in against her insurance company she was told the near future. The honourable member that it would not pay her excess, and the spoke about investment. I inform him that other driver's insurance company said that it the Treasurer advises the Workers' Com­ would not pay the excess because she was pensation Board on its investment policy. partly to blame. She was held to be partly I am not sure whether the Workers' Com­ to blame because the vehicle came through pensation Board has its own investment a red light on her right! If a car goes through board to give it advice, but I do know a red light and hits another car on the that Workers' Compensation Board funds right-hand side, I do not believe that any are invested mainly in loan programmes for blame should be attached to the person local authorities. I will get some further proceeding correctly through a green light. information and, at the second-reading stage, The only way this woman can get the $50 give the honourable member more detailed back is to spend quite a lot of money in information. legal fees trying to get the insurance com­ pany to pay up. The insurance company The honourable member for Chatsworth in this instance is the Ajax Insurance raised some significant questions. I am sure Company which, I understand, is quite often that every honourable member has had involved in ripping $50 off people in this similar matters drawn to his attention. I manner. share che honourable member's concern. Whilst it may not be relevant to the S.G.I.O. Mr. Powell: Did the police make a report specifically, as I indicated I will be quite on the accident? happy to discuss the matter with the Insur­ ance Commissioner and advise the honourable member later. Mr. MACKENROTH: Yes, they did, and breached the man for going through a red The big difficulty with these policies is light. the amount of insurance that Dne gets for the amount of premium that one pays. The Mr. Powell: And the insurance company problem raised by the honourable member still would not act? has caus,ed a great deal of concern to many people. I will raise it ,with the Insurance Mr. MACKENROTH: It would not act Commissiioner because, as the honourable because it knew that a person would not member said, it applies to all insurance com­ spend a couple of hundred dollars to take panies involved in the industry. The S.G.I.O. it to court to get $50. caters for something like 70 per cent of all comprehensive motor vehicle insurance The S.G.I.O. is just as much to blame and a much higher pevcentage o.f 'third­ as Ajax Insurance or any other company. party insurance. I will take the matter Insurance companies should pay this money. up and get back to the honourable member If a person is not breached for an accident, at a later date. he is not to blame and the insurance com­ pany should pay out in ft,JI. Insurance com­ Motrion (Dr. Edwards) agreed to. panies are not doing the right thing when they demand an excess. Certainly they save Reso1ution reported. a lot of money in legal fees, but they are not doing the right things by those who insure with them. FIRST READING As the Government is concerned with Hill presented and, on motion of Dr. consumerism and with looking after the Edwards, read a first time. people of the State, it should look very closely at this matter. While I know that the matter I have raised is not related MOTOR VEHICLES INSURANCE ACf directly to the proposed amendments, I felt AND AN011HER ACI' AMENDMENT that this was an opportunity for me to BILL raise it, and I thank the Treasurer for affording me the opportunity. INITIATION IN COMMITI'EE (Mr. Row, Hinchinbrook, in the chair) Hon. L. R. EDWARDS (Ipswich~Deputy Premier and Treasurer) (12.33 a.m.), in Hon. L. R. EDWARDS (Ipswich-Deputy reply: I thank the two honourable members Premier and Treasurer) (12.38 a.m.): I for their contributions. The Deputy Leader move- of the Opposition referred to the Workers' Compensation Board. I will take this matter "That a BiH be introduced to amend up with the Minister for Labour Relations. the Motor Vehicles Insurance Act 1936- I think the points made by the honouraBle 1975 in certain particulars and for a related member are relevant, especially the matter pmpose and to amend th~ V.I.P. Insur­ of the regular review of benefits. That is ances Limited r(Motor Vehicles Insurance) a fairly reasonable and rele\ ant position Act 1978 in certain particulars." Motor Vehicles Insurance [4 & 5 DECEMBER 1979] Act and Another, &c., Bill 2257

Honourable members will note that this Act provides for the promulgation of appro­ Bill amends the Motor Vehicles Insurance priate regulations; in practice, such condi­ A:ct 1936-1975 and the V.I.P. Insurances tions, including insurance requirements, as Limited (Motor Vehicles Insurance) Act might be appropriate in each particular case 1978. would be applied. Three amendments to the Motor Vehicles There is a clear consensus that air-cushion Insurance Act are involved. The first amend­ vehicles are incompatible with other vehicles ment relates to untraceable insurers. Under using roads and that they should be excluded our compulsory 'third-,party insurance system from the normal insurance requirements of for motor vehicles, compensabion in respect the Motor Vehicles Insurance Act. The Bill of personal injuries received as a result of provides for this exclusion. the negligence of the driver of an identified motor vehicle is paid by the insurer of the The third amendment is of a technical vehicle or, if the vehicle is uninsured, by nature. Since the Nominal Defendant was the Nomina'! Defendant (Queensland). created in 1961, the Act has referred to the Nominal Defendant becoming liable to meet An 'injured person, particularly if a child, claims in cases where the owner of an uniden­ may not be able to pursue his claim until tified or uninsured vehicle would be legally some years after the accident. In a few liable "under this Act were it insured here­ cases during recent years, it has been found under". In most cases, however, an owner that during this delay both the departmental does not become legally liable under the records and the personal records of the Act; instead he becomes legally liable at owner that establish the identity of the common law. To correct this defect, the insurer have :been destroyed and that the words "under this Act were it insured here­ insurer has become untraceable. In such under" will be changed to "were it insured civcumstances, the claimant cannot proceed under this Act". This correction will apply with success against the Nominal Defendant, retrospectively to the commencement of the because he cannot prove that the vehicle was Nominal Defendant's operations. uninsured. His only recourse is against the owner of the vehicle who, not remembering Turning now to the V.I.P. Insurance his insurer, is personally liable to meet the Limited (Motor Vehicles Insurance) Act 1978, claim. ,Possible cons,equences are the financial this Act provides for a rescue operation ruin of the nwner or non•payment of the under which the Nominal Defendant assumed claim. liability for certain of the compulsory third party motor vehicle insurance claims of It is considered that the Government, hav­ V.I.P. Insurances Limited, whioh went into ing set up a system of compulsory third party liquidation on 19 April 1978. insurance for the benefit of the public, ought to ensure that all valid claims will be met. The Act limited the aggregate liability of Accordingly, the Bill extends the liability the Nominal Defendant to a maximum sum of the Nominal Defendant (Queensland) to of $500,000 plus any recoveries it obtained include claims arising in circumstances where from the reinsurers of V.I.P. Insurances the insurer of the offending vehicle cannot Limited and from policy-holders who had be found after due inquiry and search. This breached their policy conditions. The extension of liability will apply to claims $500,000 was fixed on the basis of incomplete that arise from accidents after the passing information available shortly after V.I.P. of the Bill. The Bill also provides that went into liquidation. This suggested that the normal recovery rights of the Nominal about 80 claims would emerge, but actually Defendant in respect of uninsured vehicles 138 notifications have been received. will not be applicable to the owners and drivers of vehicles with untraceable insurers, The Act gave the Nominal Defendant but the corporation is granted a right of rights of direct recovery against the rein­ recovery if a policy condition has been surers in respect of reinsurance agreements breached by such owner or driver. subject to Queensland law. It has since been found that the reinsurance agreements Arrangements have been made with the were effected between the head office of V.I.P Police and Main Roads Departments for the in Sydney and reinsures in the U.S.A. The fullest possible retention of existing and agreements are therefore not subject to future records, within the bounds of practic­ Queensland law and the Nominal Defendant ability, so that the number of "untraceable has no recovery rights against the reinsurers. insurer" claims in the future should be very Any reinsurance will be paid to the liquidator small. No immediate increase in the levy and eventually distributed among all creditors, of $3 per registered owner per annum is including the Nominal Defendant, as a liquid­ contemplated as a result of the suggested ation dividend. extension of liability. This complete inability to recover substan­ The second amendment relates to air­ tial reinsurance means that the Nominal cushion vehicles. The control of any air­ Defendant, if it is to fulfil the intended cushion vehicles or hovercraft that may be rescue operation, faces an outlay of the order used in Queensland is covered primarily in of $1,250,000. This outlay will eventually the Marine Act. Insofar as these vehicles be subject to a proof of debt against the may be used on or across roads, the Traffic V.I.P. liquidator. 2258 1'vlotor Vehicles Insurance [4 & 5 DECEMBER 1979] Act and Another, &c., Bill

As it is not in the public interest that I am sure it would be worth while for the Nominal Defendant should compensate the Government to consider hav[ng another only those injured persons whose claims can look at the question of third-iparty insur­ be frna!ised before an aggregate outlay of ance, because so many aspects of it worry $500,000 is reached and leave all other claim­ people. One is the tremendous size of some ants unsatisfied, the Bill provides for the awards that are now being made in court limit of $500,000 to be increased to cases, particularly in New South Wales. The $1,250,000. The Nominal Defendant holds other day I noticed a judgment for nearuy adequate funds to cover this increase without $500,000. requiring any increase in the annual Nominal Defendant fee levied on motorists. Dr. Edwards: Almost $600,000. It was the intention of the Act that claim­ Mr. HOUSTON: That is right. I know ants must notify the Nominal Defendant not that no-one would argue agwinst the justHlica­ later than 31 December 1978 of their inten­ tion of it as it resulted from the proper legal tion to claim. This time limit follows pre­ procedures. Awards of $200,000 are now becoming quite common. But it does not cedents set by previous legislation dealing matter how buoyant an insurance fund is with failed insurance companies and springs when only one company is carrying almost from a desire to quantify, as quickly as the whole 'burden. There is a limit to the possible, the Nominal Defendant's liability ,premiums that can be charged, partkularly m an "ex-gratia" rescue operation. Some when it is a type of compulsory insurance. doubt has arise~ as to whether the wording After wll, people should not be forced into of. th~ A~t . gives adequate expression to driving unregistered and uninsured vehicles. this time-limit and the Bill provides the Although the Nominal Defendant Fund was necessary clarification. set up to help injured persons in cases where the injury was caused by an unknown Fi~ally, the Bill involves small changes in or unmarked vehicle, or a vehicle that did ':"ordmg, of academic interest only, to correct not stop, we do not want to encourage the madvertent errors in the original legisiation. driving of cars that al.'e not registered or covered by third"party insurance. Of course, I commend the Bill to the Committee. payment of registration includes the third­ party insurance premium. Mr. HO~STO.N (BuLimba) (12.45 a.m.): I am concerned wbout the way in which Th.e Com~1ttee ~s alwa;vs interested in legis­ the large amounts tha.t are paid out ~m be l~tlon deah~g with alarms by innocent vic­ financed. I notice that recently the insur­ !Ims of accidents.. I s~pose the law requir­ arrce premium for the ordinary motorist in mg compulsory thir?-party insurance would a private sedan rose from $46 to $49.68. On be _one of the mo~t Impol'tant pieces of legis­ a •comparison of that figure with those of Ja.tiOn ~or the assistance of victims of events New South Wales and Vktoria, I suppose to. which they 'themselves have not con­ QueenSilanders are weLl off, because the tnbuted. premiums in those States are close to, if not exceeding, $100 at the present time. From . The constant rises in costs are reflected memory, I think only Tasmania has a lower m the operation or t!J.il'd-party Jnsurance. figure than Queensiland. When one con­ ~ne notices that. It IS not the ,type oif siders the size of 'Erusmania and compares ~nsurance that brmgs great profits to the the distances that can be travelled in Tas­ msurance company concerned. Unfortun­ mania with those that can be travelled in atel,:y, that means that most of the business­ Queensland, I think Queenslanders come out ! thmk O\ er 80 per cent of it-is left in this fairly welt The S.G.I.O. should be corn­ St~te to the S.G.I.O. to carry. I well recwll mended on the premiums it charges. this Government's setting up quite a few years ago what would have been one of If high damages claims are being paid out, the first of the all-patty committees. Unfor­ people get the idea that it is only the insur­ tuna!ely, it did no·t have the backing of ance company that is paying and it does not P~rhament.. Its task was to investigate matter. In fact, of course, the companies thard,party Insurance with a view to mod­ depend on the policy-holders for their money. ernising it and bringing it to such a stwte When we talk about a high pay-out figure, that :there was not a constant increase in we are really talking about the motorists premmms and the S.G.I.O. was not the paying in combination. I am concerned that orrly company carrying ·that type of insur­ the motorist is being priced off the roads. I ance. But that co:nm!ttee of inquiry broke do not want to get into an argument about down because, as •It did not have the back­ who is responsible for the high petrol price. ing of Parliament, it could not ask for or I know, Mr. Row, that you would not let obtain a lot of the books and information me do that. However, the fact remains that that it wanted. The Treasurer at that time every increase adds a little to the cost of (Mr. Tom Hiley, as he then was) •led that motoring. committee, and I had the privilege of repre­ The person so badly injured that he ,is senting the Oppositrlon on it. Although we virtually a vegetable and can take no further did not achieve anything great at that po~nt part in life is the one who receives the very of time, our knowledge of third.party insur­ high judgment. I have no fight with that at ance was certainly increased. all. In fact, I completely support the concept JVfotor Vehicles Insurance [4 & 5 DECEMBER 1979] Act and Another, &c., Bill 2259

that a person who is injured in a road kind of early instalment-because obvious,ly accident through no fault of his own should judgment would eventually be given for a be sustained by the insurance company-in larger amount. As the Treasurer knows, other words, by the motodsts. I have no when a judgment is given, the time factor is objection to his being allowed to live a life taken into account-how long it is since a comparable to that which he would have person worked, and so on-and if a perseon lived but for the injury. That is only just is so badly injured that he cannot work, an and right. amount, not necessarily the whole amount, On the other hand, I cannot see any could be paid. That would assist to over­ justice in the fact that when the person who come some of the problems of people living has received the large amount of money in substandard conditions after they have dies as a result of the injury-the $200,000 suffered injuries. It must also be remem­ or $500,000 does not do him any good from bered that at a later stage persons who are then on-the money finishes up in the hands injured often have additio:1al medical expenses that are not provided for when the judgment of someone who had no responsibility at all is given. for the injured person. In that sense it is a type of windfall to that person at the expense I should like the Treasurer and the of the general motorist. insurance companies to have a look at the situation-naturally, the matter would have Another weakness we find today-it has to come back to the courts, so ,legislation been with us for years, but I would like would be required-in which it is obvious something done about it~is the tremendous that a person will never work again and time lapse between injury and settlement of is not capable of going into business or claim. At the present time "settlement of declares that he does not want monev to claim" means the final claim. I can appreci­ establish a business so that he mav become ate that with some injuries doctors and self-supporting, and consider providing an solicitors will suggest that, because the injury annuity, payable weekly or fortnightly, instead is not stable, the person should wait a while of a lump sum payment. The injured person longer. It is common knowledge to the lay­ would then receive an amount of money man that some injuries, particularly muscle that would enable him to maintain the Efe­ injuries-the Treasurer would know more style to which he had been accustomed, and about the possibilities of arthritis and other it would eliminate the possibility of money matters than I would-can deteriorate over being handed over in the future to someone a number of years. Once judgment has been who may not ha1'e been responsible for the given, there 'is no coming back for a second welfare of the person concerned. attempt. Therefore, it is general for people not to seek redress in third-party cases until There must be a certain amount of cash some substantial time after the original involved in the transaction because of the injury. shortening of life. If the bread-winner is im olved and he has dependant~, he is That brings me to the fact that for years entitled to receive something that will be people who have been injured have to live of assistance to them. My main concern, on what is virtually a pittance. They have to of course, is that tremendously large sums live on sickness benefits or the like, when in of money should not go to people who are fact there could be hundreds of thousands not involved in any way. On the other hand, of dollars waiting for them. Therefore, I if a person who is injured is a tradesman suggest that the degree of guilt or involve­ and he is incapable of carrying on his trade ment of an injured person should be quickly or calling, it may well be possible to retrain established. That has many advantages. him and put him into some other form of Firstly, it would quickly establish whether a business. Those are the two points that I person is entitled to a claim or not. wish to make at this stage in relation to third I well recall one case in which a person party insurance generally. was knocked down on a zebra crossing. One The Minister referred to untraceable would think that there would be no argument insurers. I was quite surprised to hear that about that person's entitlement to a claim. records are not available. If premiums are However, the judgment was that, because paid annually, a considerable period must the weather conditions were so bad and the elapse between the time of the accident and injured person wore dark clothing, the driver the time of the claim. Consideration may could not be held responsible. There is no have to be given to setting a reasonable time doubt about it: he drove the car and com­ for the notification of a pending claim to plained that he did not see the person. The enable records and files to be earmarked for judge upheld his version. Although the future use. I am not saying that the case injured person was not negligent, as the should proceed immediately, but it would be driver was held not to be negligent the a r!Ood idea to trv to determine the degree injured person received no award of damages of -Eegligence very early in the piece, when at all. That was some years after the event, the memory of police and other people and the person believed that eventually there i11Yolved is very good. would be a judgment in his favour. I agree that an injured person should not If it could be established quickly that a be penalised because of some formality in person was completely innocent of any respon­ an insurance office or because of failure sibility for an accident and was entitled to carry out some procedure. I wondered to damages, an amount could be paid-a why the Treasurer said that the provision 2260 Motor Vehicles Insurance [4 & 5 DECEMBER 1979] Act and Another, &c., Bill will apply in this instance only after ~he The premium for a utility used exclusively passing of the Bill, whereas in the case of for private pu11poses is $45. A utility is V.I.P. Insurances Limited it is virtuaHy retro­ approximately the same weight as a motor spective. I ask the Minister to ascertain car. If they are both used for private whether many people would be affected if pu11poses, their premiums should be approx­ retrospectivity was provided, because if only imately the same. a small number of people are involved, I should like to see them included. After all, The premium for a taxi-cab is set out as it was their cases that made the proposed $150. That will just about put a taxi-cab amendment desirable. proprietor off the road. The premium for a bus is $136. The premium for certain As to air-cushion vehicles, this provision motor cycles is $33, but a farmer or a grazier must have been prompted by yesterday's pays only $7.50 for the same t)1pe of motor auction of the hovercraft. I do not know cycle. Finally, for a semi-articulated vehiicle, whether it was sold. However, the Govern­ a farmer pays only $32. ment is wise in declaring very early that there is no place on our roads for a hover­ I hope that the Treasurer can answer craft. We have enough problems on our some of the queries I raised. In many roads without adding to them. Hovercraft instances the rates have not been changed would be very slo,w and cumbersome. If for years. If a farmer or a grazier pays $40 they are not to be used on the roads, they less than other pe.ople, I think it stinks. could hardly be included in this legisiation. Hon. L. R. EDWARDS (Ipswich-Deputy The matter 'concerning V.LP. Insurances Premier and Treasurer) (1.6 a.m.), in reply: Limited is totally different. In connection The Deputy Leader of the Opposition raised with this we have seen a great deal of some ,~airly important points about large misinformation, as it were. The maximum pay-outs under third party insurance claims. amount was considered to be half a million His suggestions about the payments being dollars. I am not saying that the Govern­ made to relatives who are not necessarily ment gave that figure to Parliament in other dependent on the person who dies are worth than good fa,ith. However, ,J am sure that looking at. If his suggestions were to lead it has learnt a lesson from aocepting that to a decrease in overall premiums, we should figure from a company that has gone into certainly look into them. the red. I agree with him that enormous difficulties The estimate of 80 daims has now jumped are suffered when a lengthy time elapses to 138. That is a tremendous increase. between an injury and a settlement of claim. It is just as weH that the Nominal Defendant When I was in general medical practice I Fund has been in operation for a number saw that one of the wmst problems was of years without many claims being made faced by people who were under treatment upon ;t, I :believe that it contains for three to seven years and received little $20,000,000 at this stage. The annual turn­ or no income, knowing that, eventually, their over is pretty well at par, so there is no claims would be successful. In the inter­ need to increase the premiums. vening time they lived almost on the poverty The unsatisfactory aspect of all this is line. If they received social security pay­ that it is now very hard for the Nominal ments they had to pay them back when the Defendant Fund to claim back. I suppose claim was settled. I share the honourable this is fair enough in private enterprise with member's concern about this matter. If we freedom of 'investment. If it was not for can do something to decrease the time Jag in the Nominal Defendant Fund and the like, getting a case to court, or put the honour­ 'Vhich are contributed to by the general able member's other suggestions into prac­ public, very litt'le would be thought of tice I will certainly be taking an interest in insurance companies today. it. I am not sure that the annuity payments are worth while, but that is a novel approach. I do not want to rehash the matter of I shall be quite happy to look into it. V.I.P. Insurances Limited. The Opposition supports the introduction of the Bill. The honourable member for Brisbane Cen­ ral can never resist being sarcastic towards country people. Quite obviously persons in Mr. DAVIS GBrisbane Central) (1.3 a. m.): passenger vehicles on the roads are at far I want to refer to some of the insurance more risk than those who drive farm vehicles premiums that are set out in the Queensland mainly on properties. Obviously more Government Gazette of 17 November 1979. passengers are carried in a passenger vehicle The premium for a motor car is $52. How­ than in a utility. I forget the honourable ever, the premium for a motor car owned by member's comparison relative to the bus a fanmer, a grazier or a prospector and but, obviously, the difference is again related used exclusively in connection with his farm­ to the dangers involved. I am sure that the ing, grazing or prospecting work is only $12. difference could be explained quite easily. Mr. McKechnie: Are you against that? It certainly does not relate to giving con­ cessions to the farming community who, I Mr. DAVIS: My word I am! It's not believe, deserve a fair go. right that some of the rich cow-cockies and graziers should pay a premium $40 less than Motion (Dr. Edwards) agreed to. the one I am paying. Resolution reported. Dairy Produce Act (4 & 5 DECEMBER 1979] Amendment Bill 2261

FIRST READING the honourable member stated, major renova­ Bill presented and, on motion of Dr. tions were implemented with the introduction of bulk milk in the late 1960s and early Edwards, read a first time. 1970s. The redistribution of market milk access under the Milk Supply Act to dis­ advantaged areas has seen an increasing DAIRY PRODUCE ACT AMENDMENT interest by producers in updating older BILL buildings. SECOND READING The amendment to provide for the under secretary, the director or an inspector to Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine­ define standards where they are not speci­ Minister for Primary Industries) (1.10 a.m.): fied is necessary to provide the legal authority I move- for such determinations. Members will "That the Bill be now read a second appreciate that there are some circumstances time." where no published standards are available, and the decision of a qualified person is Honourable members will recall that this necessary. I referred to some of these in my Bill provides for several minor amendments introductory speech. to the principal Act to ensure more effective supervision of the manner in which dairy Materials to be used in containers for produce is produced, treated, manufactured, dairy produce, location of dairy premises, stored and sold. drainage from premises and keeping of records are some of the areas where it is I thank the honourable member for Bunda­ envisaged th'is discretion could be used. Other berg for his general support of the provisions items, such as the use of tainted milk not of the Bill. During his remarks he sought fit for market milk, the method of storage clarification of the provision for the dis­ of samples, and the protection of dairy pro­ cretion which has been introduced with duce from dust and such, are matters which respect to determining fees. In the present require the approval of an inspector. By their Act, registration of the following premises training and experience, officers of the Divi­ is necessary: cold store, dairy, depot, factory, sion of Dairying are competent to make these milkshop, vendor's vehicle, vendor's cold judgments. There is no intention to intro­ room and laboratory. duce matters or standards which are not There will be circumstances where, because currently adopted by the industry or my of the initial costs of starting up operations department. or where abnormal conditions such as drought I commend the motion to the House. cause a severe loss of production, the waiv­ ing of the annual fee for that period would Mr. BLAKE (Bundaberg) (1.16 a.m.): be reasonable and just. There is also the There is little need to prolong discussion on case in our present-day economic situation the second reading of the Bill. As intimated where the costs involved in the collection in the introduction, and as I commented and administration of a fee can exceed the myself, the provisions of the Bill provide value of the fee which could normally be for more effective supervision of the produc­ charged. tion, manufacture, treatment, storage and sale of dairy produce. The Opposition Because of these special circumstances, an accepts the explanation and the example of amendment to the principal Act which per­ the possible waiving of registration fees in mits a discretion in the prescribing of fees times of drought or as an incentive during in regulations has been proposed. the initial establishment-cost period of an enterprise. Some concern was expressed with regard to the issuance of permits to perform cer­ I was concerned at the standard required tain skilled duties whilst awaiting the issue of or, as I said, the lack of standard required, a certificate of competence. The procedure to enable a recommended person to get a which will be followed will require an appli­ permit to perform certain skilled functions cant to undergo a test of his skill under pending his or her qualifying for a certificate practical conditions after he is recommended of competency. I am relieved to know that by his factory manager. The examining a recommendation by a factory manager is officer will only recommend the issuance only a prelude to an examination of his or of the permit by the director where the her skills by the director's examining officers. person demonstrates substantial skill. The I say "his or her" because I do not think interests of both the consumer and manu­ that there is any sex discrimination in the facturer will be protected. Dairy Produce Act. The provisiOns authorising the under The honourable member for Murrumba secretary, the director or an inspector to raised the question of standards for dairy define standards where they are not specified produce premises. I assure the House that is still a slightly grey area. The Opposition no changes to current practices are to be accepts that rules cannot be legislated for introduced. There has been extremely close every circumstance, and occasions do arise co-operation between my department and the where a trained officer has to exercise his producing and processing sectors of the indus­ discretion. We accepted this aspect of the try in the matter of dairy buildings. As Bill after examining .the details. 2262 Artificial Breeding [4 & 5 DECEMBER 1979] of Stock Bill

Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine­ Regarding the provision of the Bill con­ Minister for Primary Industries) (1.18 a.m.), cerning training, I would point out that in reply: I thank the honourable member for there are two main objectives. Firstly there Bundaberg, who is the Opposition spokesman is the training of persons who perform the on Primary Industries, for his ready accept­ operation of collection, processing, insemina­ ance of the measures contained in the Bill. tion, transfer and handling of semen or ova. Motion (Mr. Sullivan) agreed to. These people are required to hold a certificate of competency.

CoMMITTEE Secondly, the people who provide the training for the certificate holders will have (Mr. Row, Hinchinbrook, in the chair) to meet specific standards, both in relation Clauses 1 to 8, both inclusive, as read, to their own qualifications and the course agreed to. material they provide. As I previously Bill reported, without amendment. indicated, this will ensure that persons who pay substantial fees for training will be protected. I thank the honourable member THIRD READING for Bundaberg for his tribute to officers of Bill, on motion of Mr. Sullivan, by leave, my department for their training of pro­ read a third time. ducers on farm courses. Next week another course is being held in Crows Nest. At present my department operates two ARTIFICIAL BREEDING OF STOCK centres, at Wacol and Ormiston, fnr the BILL collection, processing, storage and distribu­ SECOND READING tion of cattle semen. It is proposed that operations will continue under the authority Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine­ of the director. They will provide through Minister for Primary Industries) (1.20 a. m.): artificial breeding the desired strains of the I move-- different breeds. This will ensure genetic "That the Bill be now read a second improvement of the cattle of the State. It time." is also correct that these centres will provide training in artificial breeding techniques. Honourable members will recall that the Bill will update the provisions of the Stock The honourable member fur Warwick Act in providing appropriate legislation for expressed concern that the provisions of the a wide range of activities associated with Bill would affect the commercial operations the artificial breeding of stock. of licensed distribution centres. He is It provides for the registration of a correct in noting that the training of number of premises and the issuance of producers can influence the commercial certificates to skilled persons. operation of these centres. However, the Government has a responsibility to assist Changes in the legislation were not intro­ primary producers who wish to improve their duced earlier in view of the discussions being technical skills. This type of training is held by the Animal Health Committee and widely practised in Australia. their subcommittee on artificial breeding. Interim regulations had been introduced In a recent survey requested by the A.I. under the Stock Act and this was sufficient Advisory Committee it was found that con­ as a temporary cause. ception results from many owner-inseminators were the equal of commercial operators. At the outset I would thank the honour­ However, I feel that contract insemination able member for Bundaberg for his favour­ can still provide a valuable service within able support on behalf o.f the Opposition. In the industry. I believe there wi11 always reply to a question raised by the honourable be situations where it is not economical or member, I should correct an error of inter­ practical for an owner of stock to engage pretation concerning the artificial breeding in artificial insemination on his own behalf. of species of stock other than cattle. While It is situations such as these that the contract the Act defines stock as a wide range of inseminator will be left to fill. species of animals, there has only been a general acceptance of the practice within The honourable member for Brisbane the cattle industries. Artificial breeding of Central asked for information of the effects stock in Queensland was pioneered in the of the Bill on the thoroughbred horse cattle industries. industry. The Bill does not require owners of any species of stock to participate in Because of expected requirements of pig the practice of artificial breeding. This producers, goat breeders, sheep breeders and particular industry will make its own decisions horse breeders, additional emphasis has been and determine whether or not it will register given to these species in my remarks. I would animals bred by artificial breeding. point out that while some species lend them­ Has the honourable member taken that selves readily to artificial insemination tech­ on board, or would he like me to write him niques, others present some very difficult problems. Probably lack of progress with a letter? any one species has been due to technical Mr. Davis: No, I won't worry about it. difficulties rather than legislative problems. I won't put my gelding up this week. Artificial Breeding [4 & 5 DECEMBER 1979] of Stock Bill 2263

Mr. SULLIVAN: I would point out, The penalty provisions of the Bill are quite though, that horses are one of those species sensible. The general penao!ty of $500 applies that I mentioned previously that do not to quite a number of offences, and I notice lend themselves readily to artificial breeding. that the heaviest penalty, $1,000 or 12 Perhaps this will be the limitation on the months' imprisonment, is provided for forgery industry in this field rather than any admini­ of a certificate to enable a person to operate strative decisions. The legislation does reflect under forged credentials. I do not think the current practices undertaken within the that any honourable member could object industry, and the provisions of the legislation to that, because the whole purpose of the have been requested by the industry. Act would be defeated if a very serious The Bill anticipates the wider use of voiew were not taken of that offence. artificial breeding and makes appropriate The Opposition is not concerned about the provisions. It brings Queensland legislation power of inspectors to inspect premises, up to date with legislation in other States. plant, machinery, equipment, apparatus, I commend the motion to the House. utensils or any vehicle or vessel used, or suspected of being used, in the process of Mr. BLAKE (Bundaberg) (1.28 a.m.): The arVificial insemination. However, it is Bill is indeed a large one and took quite an obvious that power to inspect and, if amount of study. After wading through it, necessary, seize semen or ova is required. we found that, although it is substantial its provisions are in the main comma~ I was pleased to note that a warrant is sense and practical. I thank the Minister needed before an inspector may enter what for the explanation that, although in practice is exclusively a home or dwelling-place. artificial breeding in the Stock Act related I take it that if a person were carrying out mainly to cattle, it did in fact relate to a some manufa-cturing process or some wide range of stock. This Bill clarifies the inseminating process within his home, it relationship to stock other than cattle. The would not be exclmively his dwelling-place. Minister also pointed out that departmental As is the case with all provisions relating centres will breed by artificial means to the to rights to enter a home, human rights desired strains of different breeds, as well as must be protected very zealously, and it provide training. That is a further olari­ is a relief to know that in this instance an fication of a matter in doubt at the intro­ inspector must have a warrant before he ductory stage. can enter what is exclusively a home or a Some concern was expressed by the mem­ dwelling-place. ber for Brisbane Central and others to whom The provision making a warrant current I have spoken about the Bill's effect on the for a month is fairly lenient. I cannot stud horse industry. As the Minister has see why it would be necessary for an pointed out, the horse is not an animal that inspector to inspect over a period of a lends itself well to artificial insemination. month. On ref!ect,ion, if he were inspecting Perhaps stud practices and stud economics in horse breeding will not be greatly affected. an improvement, or something of that nature, it might take time for the improve­ Naturally, whether horses or animals of ment to be built or the omission to be some other type are involved, fees and ser­ rectified. The Opposition accepts the pro­ vices will be determined by the demand in voision that a warrant may last for a month. the market~place. It wHl determine whether Probably it is merely a machinery provision insemination by natural means or artificial so that an inspector does not have to con­ means will prevail; it will also determine the tinually make application for a warrant to impact that further artificial insemination enable him to carry out his duties. I am training and services will have on what I pleased that, irrespective of the time the might call the contract artificial inseminators warrant is current, a dairy inspector or a now operating. Irrespectdve of events, time nominated person must have a warrant marches on and techniques change, and no before he can enter a private home. doubt the market-place will determine the survival rate of the owner inseminator and The main provisions of the Bill have been the contract inseminator. adequately covered. The Opposition sees no reason why ,it should object to them. I should like to deal particularly with a couple of aspects of the Bill. As I read Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine­ the Bill, it means that an owner can artifici­ Minister for Primary Industries) (1.36 a.m.), aHy ·inseminate his own herd irrespective in reply: Again I thank the honourable mem­ of the merit of the genetic strain that he is ber for Bundaberg for his acceptance of the using. I suppose it means that a person measure on behalf of the Opposition. That can do as he likes on his own property, is quite understandable, of course, as we do at least to his own stock, and that is in the have a committee comprising veterinarians spirit of a man being master of his own and people from the pastoral industry who destiny or boss in his own castle. It is investigate matters such as this and make debatable whether anyone would be fooHsh recommendations. I should imagine that, no enough to go to the trouble of artificially matter which Government is in office, that inseminating without using a good genetic committee's recommendations would be the strain. Apparently it is to be his privilege same. They are acceptable to the industry at to do so ·if he wishes. all levels. 2264 Ministerial Statement (5 DECEMBER 1979] Questions Upon Nottce

The hour is late, and I suggest that that might be the reason why other honourable members who made comments at the intro­ ductory stage have not participated in the debate tonight. It is a pleasure to me and a tribute to the officers of my department that the Bill is accepted so readily. Motion (Mr. Sullivan) agreed to.

CoMMITTEE (Mr. Row, Hinchinbrook, in the chair) Clauses 1 to 56, both inclusive, and sche­ dule, as read, agreed to. Bill reported, without amendment.

THffiD READING Bill, on motion of Mr. Sullivan, by leave, read a third time. The House adjourned at 1.39 a.m. (Wednesday).