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C O N T E N T S Sixteenth Series, Vol. XXV, Twelfth Session, 2017/1939 (Saka) No. 10, Friday, July 28, 2017/Shravana 6, 1939 (Saka)
S U B J E C T P A G E S
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Starred Question Nos. 181 to 185 8-49
WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Starred Question Nos. 186 to 193 and 195 to 200 50-119
Unstarred Question Nos. 2071 to 2102, 2104 to 2143, 2145 to 2259 and 2261 to 2300 120-572
The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the Question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. 28.07.2017 2
PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 573-591
MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA 592
BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE 45th Report 593
JOINT COMMITTEE ON OFFICES OF PROFIT 21st and 22nd Reports 593
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE 594-600
SUBMISSIONS BY MEMBERS (i) Re: Denial of permission by the Athletics Federation of India to Ms. P.U. Chitra, an athlete from participating in World Athletic Meet to be held in London 623-624
(ii) Re: Alleged violation of Hyperandrogenism policy of International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) by Ms. Dutee Chand, a sprinter, resulting in her disqualification 628-631
INDIAN INSTITUTES OF MANAGEMENT BILL, 2017 638-748 Shri Prakash Javadekar 638-640 731-743
Dr. Shashi Tharoor 641-652 Shrimati Poonam Mahajan 653-660 Prof. Saugata Roy 661-665 Shri Nagendra Kumar Pradhan 666-670 Shri Arvind Sawant 671-675 Dr. Ravindra Babu 676-680 Shri A.P. Jithendra Reddy 681-682 Shri M.B. Rajesh 683-686 Shri Dhananjay Mahadik 687-689 Dr. Kambhampati Haribabu 690-694 28.07.2017 3
Shri Sirajuddin Ajmal 695-699 Dr. Kirit P. Solanki 700-702 Shri Prem Das Rai 703-705 Shri Kaushalendra Kumar 706-708 Shri E.T. Mohammad Basheer 709-711 Shri N.K. Premachandran 712-715 Shri Harish Meena 716-719 Shri Rajeev Satav 720-722 Dr. Satya Pal Singh 723 Shri Deepender Singh Hooda 724-726 Dr. Mamtaz Sanghamita 727-728 Shri Ramesh Bidhuri 729-730 Clauses 2 to 39 and 1 744-748 Motion to Pass 748
MOTION RE: 35TH REPORT OF COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS 750
PRIVATE MEMBERS RESOLUTIONS (i) Steps to ensure welfare of Employees Provident Fund pensioners 751-772
Shri Bandaru Dattatreya 752-759, 771-772
Shri N.K. Premachandran 760-770, 772
Resolution – withdrawn 772
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(ii) Renovation of buildings located in the vicinity of various defence establishments
Shri Gopal Shetty 773-789
ANNEXURE – I Member-wise Index to Starred Questions 790 Member-wise Index to Unstarred Questions 791-796
ANNEXURE – II Ministry-wise Index to Starred Questions 797 Ministry-wise Index to Unstarred Questions 798
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OFFICERS OF LOK SABHA
THE SPEAKER Shrimati Sumitra Mahajan
THE DEPUTY SPEAKER Dr. M. Thambidurai
PANEL OF CHAIRPERSONS
Shri Arjun Charan Sethi Shri Hukmdeo Narayan Yadav Shri Anandrao Adsul Shri Pralhad Joshi Dr. Ratna De (Nag) Shri Ramen Deka Shri Konakalla Narayana Rao Shri Hukum Singh Shri K.H. Muniyappa Dr. P. Venugopal
SECRETARY GENERAL Shri Anoop Mishra 28.07.2017 6
LOK SABHA DEBATES
LOK SABHA ------
Friday, July 28, 2017/Shravana 4, 1939 (Saka)
The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock
[HON. SPEAKER in the Chair]
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BÉEÉ xÉÉäÉÊ]ºÉ lÉÉ, =ºÉBÉEä ÉÊcºÉÉ¤É ºÉä ÉÊVÉºÉ {ÉEÉìàÉæ] +ÉÉè® ÉÊVÉºÉ àÉèxÉ® àÉå ªÉä |É{ÉÉäVÉãºÉ càÉå ÉÊàÉãÉxÉä SÉÉÉÊcA lÉä, ´Éä =ºÉBÉEä +ÉxÉÖºÉÉ® xÉcÉÓ ÉÊàÉãÉä cé* So, we have written back to the petitioners. =xɺÉä càÉxÉä BÉEcÉ cè ÉÊBÉE +ÉÉ{É ºÉcÉÒ {ÉEÉìàÉæ] àÉå =ºÉBÉEÉä nÉÒÉÊVÉA iÉÉÉÊBÉE VÉÉä càÉÉ®ä ÉÊbVÉɪɮä¤ÉãÉ AºÉåÉʶɪÉãÉ µÉEÉ<]äÉÊ®ªÉÉ cé, =ºÉBÉEä iÉciÉ càÉ <ºÉBÉEÉä AäMVÉÉÉÊàÉxÉ BÉE® ºÉBÉEå +ÉÉè® càÉ ÉÊxÉhÉÇªÉ ãÉä ºÉBÉEå ÉÊBÉE càÉå <ºÉä àÉÉxªÉiÉÉ näxÉÉÒ cè ªÉÉ xÉcÉÓ näxÉÉÒ cè* as of now ªÉc BÉEÉä<Ç ÉÊ®BÉEÉìMÉxÉÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉä VÉÉiÉä cé, +ÉÉ{É =xÉBÉEÉä ®äMÉÖãÉä] BÉE®å* =xÉBÉEä ºÉÉlÉ BÉE½É<Ç BÉE®å +ÉÉè® VÉÉä càÉÉ®ÉÒ <Æ]®-ÉÊb{ÉÉ]ÇàÉå]ãÉ BÉEàÉä]ÉÒ +ÉÉ<Ç cè, =ºÉxÉä £ÉÉÒ ªÉcÉÒ iÉªÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ cè ÉÊBÉE càÉ AäºÉä BÉEÉäºÉæVÉ BÉEÉä ®äMÉÖãÉä] BÉE®åMÉä* càÉÉ®ÉÒ BÉEÉäÉÊ¶É¶É cè ÉÊBÉE ªÉä ®ÉVªÉ <ºÉä <à{ÉãÉÉÒàÉå] BÉE®å BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE càÉxÉä ®ÉVªÉÉå BÉEÉä <ºÉ ºÉƤÉÆvÉ àÉå Ab´ÉÉ<ºÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ cÖ+ÉÉ cè* +É¤É ªÉc ®ÉVªÉÉå {É® cè ÉÊBÉE +É{ÉxÉä-+É{ÉxÉä ®ÉVªÉ àÉå ´Éä <ºÉä ®äMÉÖãÉä] BÉE®å +ÉÉè® AäºÉä ãÉÉäMÉÉå BÉEÉä bÉìBÉD]® ]àÉÇ <ºiÉäàÉÉãÉ BÉE®xÉä ºÉä £ÉÉÒ ®ÉäBÉEå, ÉÊbOÉÉÒ ªÉÉ ÉÊb{ãÉÉäàÉÉ BÉEÉäºÉæVÉ SÉãÉÉxÉä ºÉä £ÉÉÒ ®ÉäBÉEå +ÉÉè® ÉÊBÉEºÉÉÒ £ÉÉÒ iÉ®ÉÒBÉEä ºÉä VÉ¤É iÉBÉE ªÉc Éʺɺ]àÉ ÉÊ®BÉEÉìMxÉÉ SHRI VINCENT H. PALA : Thank you, Madam for giving me this opportunity. Madam, in my constituency Shillong, in Meghalaya, there is a beautiful institute namely North Eastern Institute of Ayurveda and Homoeopathy. It has been inaugurated in the year 2016. I am not sure whether the hon. Minister is ready with the answer. I would like to know from the hon. Minister whether all the sanctioned posts have been filled up or not. If it has not been filled up, when is the target date? I request you to kindly look into this issue. You may not have the data, but, please give me the data. Thank you. SHRIMATI ANUPRIYA PATEL: Madam, Ayurveda and Homoeopathy, all these relate to the Ministry of AYUSH. I can just say that if you can write to the Minister of AYUSH, he will be able to give you an adequate reply. DR. KULMANI SAMAL : Madam, I thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to ask an important supplementary question. I have gone through the reply tabled by the hon. Minister regarding granting sanction to this 150 year old system of electro-homoeopathy medicine in India. Granting recognition to the system of electro-homoeopathy medicine should depend on its effectiveness to cure diseases in our country. So, my question is very simple and straight. I would like to know whether any study in all the States and Union Territories has been done by the Government to find out the effectiveness of the electro-homoeopathy medicines in curing the diseases and whether there is any court judgment in this regard. SHRIMATI ANUPRIYA PATEL: Madam, the hon. Member has said that it is a 150 year old system. I would like to say that we do not have any such data. We do not maintain such data centrally. This is a system which is not recognized by the Central Government. As far as the issue of granting recognition is concerned, it does not fulfill the desirable and essential criteria which are many like the system should have 28.07.2017 10 fundamental principles of health and disease. It should be a comprehensive system which means that it should not be related to certain specific diseases. It should have some substantial literature in the country of its origin or wherever it is practiced; it should be recognized. So, there are various criteria which the Committee has to examine before granting recognition and see whether those criteria are fulfilled or not. But as of now, it does not seem to fulfill those criteria. So, we cannot really say that we can recognize it right now. SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : Madam, to my limited information, the homoeopathy has no relation or connection with the electro-homoeopathy. It is entirely different. It is quite unfortunate that for the last 150 years, in the name of homoeopathy, electro-homoeopathy is being practiced. This has to be checked. That is my first submission. As regards medical education, homoeopathic medical education is being regulated by the Central Council of Homoeopathy but unfortunately the Government of India’s directions and stipulations - which are being issued according to the Act, rules and regulations of the Government of India - are not being complied with by the medical institutes, homoeopathy medical institutes, universities and respective State Governments. Though it is belonging to AYUSH, I would like to know from the hon. Minister of Health whether the Government of India will give a mandatory direction to the States concerned and homoeopathic institutes that all the directions and regulations of the Central Council of Homoeopathy should be complied with. SHRIMATI ANUPRIYA PATEL: Madam, as the hon. Member himself has said that the matter pertains to the Ministry of AYUSH, however, he could always write to us. We will talk to them and whatever appropriate is required to be done in terms of communicating to the States, we will do that. 28.07.2017 11 (Q.182) BÉÖEÄ´É® £ÉÉ®iÉäxp É˺Éc : àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ VÉÉÒ, àÉé ºÉ¤ÉºÉä {ÉcãÉä àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ |ÉvÉÉxÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ BÉEÉÒ |ɶÉƺÉÉ BÉE®xÉÉ SÉÉcÚÆMÉÉ +ÉÉè® =xÉBÉEÉä ¤ÉvÉÉ<Ç näxÉÉ SÉÉcÚÆMÉÉ ÉÊBÉE ªÉc ÉÊ´ÉÉªÉ =xÉBÉEä ØnªÉ BÉEä ¤ÉcÖiÉ ÉÊxÉBÉE] cè * ¤ÉÉãÉ ÉËãÉMÉ +ÉxÉÖ{ÉÉiÉ ¤ÉfÃiÉÉ VÉÉ ®cÉ cè +ÉÉè® <ºÉºÉä càÉÉ®É {ÉÚ®É ºÉàÉÉVÉ +ÉÉè® nä¶É nÖ|É£ÉÉÉÊ´ÉiÉ cÉä ®cÉ cè* c® ¤ÉÉ® <ºÉàÉå ¤ÉVÉ] BÉEÉä lÉÉä½É ¤ÉfÃɪÉÉ MɪÉÉ cè* àÉé àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ÉÊ´ÉkÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ BÉEÉä £ÉÉÒ vÉxªÉ´ÉÉn näxÉÉ SÉÉcÚÆMÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ ºÉä VÉÉxÉxÉÉ SÉÉcÚÆMÉÉ ÉÊBÉE 161 ÉÊVÉãÉä SÉÖxÉä MɪÉä lÉä, ÉÊVÉxÉàÉå ¤ÉÉãÉ ÉËãÉMÉ +ÉxÉÖ{ÉÉiÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ BÉEàÉ cè +ÉÉè® SHRIMATI MANEKA SANJAY GANDHI: The districts that have done not so well are in the last 10. They are Etawah, which has gone down from 953 to 916; in Farrukhabad, it has gone down from 913 to 876; in Saharanpur, it has gone down from 954 to 913; and in Etah, it has gone down from 984 to 942. You can see that most of these are in Uttar Pradesh. Then, in Bijnor, it has gone down from 944 to 894; in Champawat, it has gone down from 1027 to 961; in Pithoragarh, it has gone down from 977 to 908; in Haridwar, it has gone down from 964 to 885; in Dehradun, it has gone down from 1062 to 959; in Chamoli, it has gone down from 948 to 839 and in Kolkata, it has gone down from 1022 to 898. In fact, Kolkata is unfortunately the worst of 161 districts that we have taken. What are the challenges that we face? As the Centre has no feet on the ground, we are totally dependent on the local and the State administration. We do a huge backup with a sustained media campaign, with rewards and awards. We are working with the Ministry of Health, under the PCPNDT Act, to make sure that women are admitted into administrative hospitals in the early stages of pregnancy. There are many challenges that we face in districts that did not do well. One, the funds did not go from the State Government to the districts in time, especially in Bihar where we have a time lag of six to eight months and in UP, I do not think the funds have still reached. I do not know if it has reached now. Then, the DC/ DM leads the campaign and in many of the districts that have not done too well, the DC/ DM was changed every two or three months. There was lack of ownership and leadership. Some of the States are now doing better when the Government has changed. There was unrest and violence in some of the districts, for instance, in J&K. Now, what are the corrective measures that we took? In the year 2016-17, we revised the scheme and started the disbursement of funds directly to the District Collectors. Since then it has done much, much better. Then, special attention is being paid to the districts which showed declining trend and this is 28.07.2017 13 followed up by weekly and monthly conferences with DCs and nodal officers. We have trained 1668 master trainers, who have gone on the ground there. We have monitoring visits to the States and districts to motivate them. We have also improved the utilization of funds. The States that have been doing well have been facilitated. The districts, in which the Collectors have shown a great deal of innovation like Jalgaon, Cuddalore, Kathua, Raigarh, Jhunjhunu, North district of Sikkim, Gwalior, Osmanabad, Yamuna Nagar, Mansa, etc,. the Collectors have been given awards. The States of Rajasthan and Haryana have done the best. So, they have been awarded. We are now putting dedicated manpower in each district with a newly formulated scheme of Mahila Shakti Kendra in which these people will man from our side, of course, motivating the local people. It is a challenging process. But seeing that it is doing extremely well in most districts, we are very happy with the results. bÉì. 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MÉÖVÉ®ÉiÉ àÉå ¤ÉcÖiÉ ºÉä ºÉàÉÉVÉÉå xÉä |ÉÉÊiÉYÉÉ ãÉäBÉE® ‘¤Éä]ÉÒ ¤ÉSÉÉ+ÉÉä ¤Éä]ÉÒ {ÉfÃÉ+ÉÉä’ +ÉÉʣɪÉÉxÉ SÉãÉɪÉÉ lÉÉ* BÉE<Ç AäºÉä +ÉÉʣɣÉÉ´ÉBÉE cé, ÉÊVÉxÉBÉEä ÉʺÉ{ÉEÇ +ÉBÉEäãÉÉÒ ãɽBÉEÉÒ cÉÒ cè* AäºÉÉ +ÉÉʣɪÉÉxÉ ºÉàÉÉVÉ BÉEÉÒ £ÉÉMÉÉÒnÉ®ÉÒ ºÉä cÉÒ ºÉÆ£É´É cÉä ºÉBÉEiÉÉ cè* àÉé àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ ºÉä VÉÉxÉxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE <ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA ºÉ®BÉEÉ® BÉDªÉÉ |ɪÉixÉ BÉE®xÉä VÉÉ ®cÉÒ cè? 28.07.2017 14 gÉÉÒàÉiÉÉÒ àÉäxÉBÉEÉ ºÉÆVÉªÉ MÉÉÆvÉÉÒ : àÉcÉänªÉÉ, ªÉc |ÉÉäOÉÉàÉ <ºÉÉÒÉÊãÉA ºÉ{ÉEãÉ ®cÉ cè, BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE <ºÉàÉå ãÉÉäMÉÉå BÉEÉÒ £ÉÉMÉÉÒnÉ®ÉÒ cè, xÉcÉÓ iÉÉä ºÉ®BÉEÉ® +ÉBÉEäãÉä <ºÉ ÉÊn¶ÉÉ àÉå BÉÖEU xÉcÉÓ BÉE® ºÉBÉEiÉÉÒ cè* ªÉc ÉÊ®´ÉÉVÉ cVÉÉ®Éå ºÉÉãÉ {ÉÖ®ÉxÉÉ cè ÉÊBÉE we kill them either in the womb, or we kill them after they are born. To change the mindset, especially in patriarchal societies, as in Rajasthan, Haryana and other places, and the fact that we have been able to do it means that people have been involved at every step. Madam Speaker, to give some examples – for example, all birth statistics are put in public places in Gudda Guddi Boards and debate is encouraged on this in every village. For instance, Jalgaon district has installed Digital Gudda Guddi Boards in all offices and public places. We have had the brand visibility of BBBP logo. All Government buildings, public offices, official public vehicles, public transport, school buses are using the Beti Bachao Beti Padao logo, for instance in Haryana, Chandigarh, UTs etc. Then we celebrate the birth of the girl child and we dedicate special days on the value of the girl child linking Sukanya Samriddhi accounts with the birth girl children and felicitating parents who have had girl; plantation drives symbolising nurturing and care and we have also been strong in the prevention of child marriage. To give two areas of special interest – Cuddalore and in Jind where they had this amazing programme called the “Selfie with daughters” which the hon. Prime Minister also took part in and it sort of became viral. Then, we take local champions. We choose them from sports, academics, writers, lawyers, students. The district administration uses them as role models and these champions go to different blocks and spread the message of BBBP. For example, in Sikar district, Una, Gwalior, the role model way has been very successful. Then, we award best Panchayats. We award parents who value their daughters. We award community members, local champions and meritorious girls. For instance, Nagaland, Jammu, Gandhi Nagar have been very good at this. Then, we have enrolment campaigns focussing on child education and we have a lot of plays that every school is encouraged to do. 28.07.2017 15 ‘School Chalein Hum’ has been done in Jalgaon. ‘Aao School Chalein’ is done by Sikar. ‘Apna Baccha Apna Vidyalaya’ and ‘Collector ki Class’ is done by Jhunjhunu which has been an extremely innovative and good programme. Then there is Career Counselling Guide by Sirsa and other places. We have Special Gram Mahila Sabhas on the issue of declining child sex ratio in which women stand up and talk about themselves. Our media has been very strong. We use radio, cinema, digital media, mobile exhibitions and community engagement programmes like Nukkad Nataks, puppet shows, etc. Positive reinforcement of the girl child has been going on now for three years. We have reached out on 140 radio stations and we have got TV spots in every TV channel. We have contacted 4.5 crore people through mass SMS campaign. We have used the social media, MyGov and Facebook. We have a lot of NGOs involved in this including Grandmothers Associations and other ones. On the other hand, we are also using people to give us information on the sex selection machinery. We have tightened up the procedure in the PC&PNDT Act. So far, we have inspected 57,510 diagnostic facilities. The number of convictions has been 416 and the number of medical licences suspended has been 114. The largest number of cases filed has been in Rajasthan followed by 24 per cent in Maharashtra. So, we have been working on this issue through media, NGOs and changing mindsets. DR. MRIGANKA MAHATO : Madam, in West Bengal, our popular Chief Minister, Kumari Mamata Banerjee initiated the programme, Kanyashree, in 2011. On 24th June, 2017, the United Nations has awarded the West Bengal Government the first place for public service for the Kanyashree Scheme. The award ceremony was held at the World Forum at Hague, the Netherlands. Out of 552 projects among 62 countries, Kanyashree Scheme has bagged the first UN Award in this year. So, it is a great honour to our country. 28.07.2017 16 My request to the Central Government is, that the Kanyashree Prakalpa which is taken up by the West Bengal Government should be followed by other States and should be taken as a model initiative. I have another humble submission to make in this august House. I want to mention one incident which happened in Chandigarh a few days back. HON. SPEAKER: You do not have any supplementary to put. This is not a suggestion hour. This is Question Hour. SHRIMATI MANEKA SANJAY GANDHI: Madam, I would like to take this opportunity to speak on this subject. While the programme which the West Bengal Government has launched on their own is effective, it is the only State in India which has completely refused to implement the Beti Bachao Beti Padhao Scheme. As a result, out of 161 districts, Kolkata is showing a severe declining trend. On the scheme that they have started, many States have done equally well in implementing similar schemes. Madhya Pradesh has done extremely well in the Ladli Lakshmi Yojna. Haryana has got Ladli Yojna; Jharkhand has Mukhyamantri Laxmi Laadli Yajana; Rajasthan has got Chief Minister Rajshree Yojna; Goa has got the Mamta Yojna; Gujarat has got the Balika Samridhi Yojana; Karnataka has got Bhagyalakshmi Yojna; Chhattisgarh has got Saraswati Cycle Yojna; Maharashtra has got Majhi Kanya Bhagyashree Scheme; Andhra Pradesh has got “Bangaru Talli’ Scheme and Manipur has got Balika Samridhi Yojana. So, many States have got similar programmes and are doing extremely well as well. But I would urge the West Bengal Government to adopt the Beti Bachao Beto Padhao programme because it is not political. It benefits girls. I see no reason why the Chief Minister should not adopt the programme. SHRI E.T. MOHAMMAD BASHEER : Madam Speaker thank you. This Beti Bachao Beto Padhao is a flagship programme. It is focussing on a very important issue, that is pertaining to birth rate of girl children and their educational empowerment. The Minister, in her reply, has explained certain 28.07.2017 17 success stories and the hurdles in implementing the programme. It is high time that it should have been reviewed. Even the CAG Report, citing certain glaring examples, says that this scheme has not attained its real objective. Similarly, the Standing Committee on HRD with regard to educational empowerment of girl children has also said that our Budget allocation and expenditure is very less. The Minister said that there are certain problems in that. I would like to know whether we can have a time-bound strict programme for the adherence of guidelines with regard to implementation. That is number one. Number two is, we should have an effective mechanism for monitoring. HON. SPEAKER: You can ask only one question. SHRIMATI MANEKA SANJAY GANDHI: What the hon. Member has pointed out basically is the issue of girls going to school. My emphasis, when I talk about the effectiveness of the programme, is really getting the girls born, to begin with. In that we have been extremely effective. After that, girls going to school is a challenge faced by the State Governments. We have reinforced that, as I read out so many programmes where the Collectors have taken up the initiatives with regard to girls going to school. This list that I have read out of ladli yojnas are really to give incentives for girls to go to school. So, almost every State is offering incentives. 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In Central and Eastern India alone, some 22 million women reside in relief camps in the disturbed areas. Since 1992-93, three lakh people who are affected by ethnic violence are residing in camps there. Fifty per cent of them are women and children. There is no health facility, and there is no education facility. Even toilet facility is not available for these women and children. I would like to know whether the Ministry concerned has any role with respect to these women and children living in these shelter camps. If steps have been taken, what steps have been taken? If not, why? SHRIMATI MANEKA SANJAY GANDHI: I do not think this Question pertains to the Beti Bachao Beto Padhao programme. But I am glad you have raised the issue. I do not have a direct role on this. But if a compliant comes in – I would be happy to receive a complaint from you – on specific areas and where we could intervene I would be happy to intervene. SHRIMATI SUPRIYA SULE : Maharashtra is doing exceptionally well in this programme, and Statewide it is being implemented everywhere. But we do have cross-border rackets of illegal abortions. In your reply (d), you said that you have done a nationwide awareness and advocacy programme. But what more can we all do to make sure that these inter-State illegal abortions do not happen? Thank you. 28.07.2017 19 SHRIMATI MANEKA SANJAY GANDHI: Quite frankly, I am at a loss to give you an exact answer. Where the States are doing extremely well, as in Maharashtra, as in Haryana, people go outside the State and they then have their sex selection done; and then they do the abortion there. By better policing methods, if somebody can identify where they go to, we can take action. We have informed the police several times that this has become a centre or a hub for illegal sex selection through PCPNDT Machine. Then, they have taken action. We actually are taking a lot of actions everyday. So, if you can identify the place where they go out, then we can take action on that. Another thing that we do is, between the Health Ministry and us, under this programme ‘Beti Bachao’, we pay whistleblowers; we pay informers. We have strengthened the PCPNDT Cells. They can, now, go cross-border to check whether some problem is happening. 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So, there is a lot that we are doing. Of course, I would appeal to MPs here as well that you speak about the cause in your respective constituencies so that the level of awareness about organ donation increases. SHRI DINESH TRIVEDI : Madam, we all know that India is a very strong country and whatever we decide can be implemented. We have seen this during the Pulse Polio Immunization Programme. Dr. Harsh Vardhan is sitting here. He was one of the pioneers. At the outset, the Minister in the statement has mentioned that this is a State subject, which I understand. Dr. Shashi Tharoor mentioned that India has only one donor per million people. US have 26, Spain has 36, and France has 26 per million donors. We know that this is a question of supply and demand. While the demand is about two lakhs and the supply is about six thousand. I would like to know as to what is the progress on the National Organ Registry. I also would like to compliment the Ministry for making the research on stem cells because stem cells are the future. I am aware that the live embryo research was stopped for some reason. You have restarted it; I must compliment you. Future is stem cell. So, what is the Government and the Ministry thinking about that as well. Thank you. SHRIMATI ANUPRIYA PATEL: Madam, specifically talking about the progress in increase in the number of donors, we have increased it from 2.5 lakhs to 10 lakhs. Regarding the stem cell, I do not have an answer right now. 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VÉÉä +ÉÉÊvÉBÉEÉ®ÉÒ =ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA ÉÊVÉààÉänÉ® cé, BÉDªÉÉ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® =xÉ {É® ABÉD¶ÉxÉ ãÉä ®cÉÒ cè? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF CORPORATE AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): Madam, as per the parliamentary procedure, any report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, which is placed before the House, goes for consideration to the Public Accounts Committee. After the recommendation of the Public Accounts Committee, the Government takes appropriate action. If any action is to be taken in the matter, the Government will certainly take action. Since the hon. Member has asked this question with regard to the year 2012-13 and thereafter now, up to March 2016, the C&AG had made an observation with regard to certain ammunition. They have made it in 2013; and these relate to the availability as per a particular point of time. 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JITHENDER REDDY : Madam, I know that there is no time left for this. I do not want an answer to be given by the Minister. Even if he sends it in writing, it is okay. I just want to ask a simple question. How much ammunition is required by the Armed Forces? How much are we manufacturing in our country? How much are we importing? The reply may be sent to me even in writing. SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Madam, in larger public interest, these are some details which are never made public. Therefore, if the Member wants to know what the availability is and what the shortage is, I can tell him otherwise. But it is better in larger public interest not to make a disclosure of this. 28.07.2017 31 12.00 hours PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE HON. SPEAKER: Papers to be laid on the Table. Shri Jagat Prakash Nadda. THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI JAGAT PRAKASH NADDA): Madam, I beg to lay on the Table a copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under Section 34 of the Pre- conception and Pre-natal Diagnostic Techniques (Prohibition of Sex Selection) Act, 1994:- (1) The Pre-conception and Pre-natal Diagnostic Techniques (Prohibition of Sex Selection) Amendment Rules, 2017 published in Notification No. G.S.R.492(E) in Gazette of India dated 23rd May, 2017. (2) The Pre-conception and Pre-natal Diagnostic Techniques (Prohibition of Sex Selection) Amendment Rules, 2017 published in Notification No. G.S.R.599(E) in Gazette of India dated 19th June, 2017. 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BÉEÉä ®q ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ MɪÉÉ cè iÉlÉÉ ABÉE ´ªÉÉJªÉÉiàÉBÉE YÉÉ{ÉxÉ* [Placed in Library, See No. LT- 7217/16/17] (16) ÉÊ´ÉkÉÉÒªÉ +ÉÉÉκiɪÉÉå BÉEÉ |ÉÉÊiÉ£ÉÚÉÊiÉBÉE®hÉ +ÉÉè® {ÉÖxÉMÉÇ~xÉ iÉlÉÉ |ÉÉÊiÉ£ÉÚÉÊiÉ ÉÊciÉ BÉEÉ |É´ÉiÉÇxÉ +ÉÉÊvÉÉÊxɪÉàÉ, 2002 BÉEÉÒ vÉÉ®É 31BÉE BÉEÉÒ ={ÉvÉÉ®É 2(1)(b)(iv) BÉäE ºÉÉlÉ {ÉÉÊ~iÉ +ÉÉÊvÉÉÊxɪÉàÉ BÉEÉÒ vÉÉ®É 31BÉE BÉEÉÒ ={É- vÉÉ®É 2 BÉäE +ÉÆiÉMÉÇiÉ |ÉÉ°ô{É +ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ ºÉÆJªÉÉ {ÉEÉ<ãÉ ºÉÆJªÉÉ 6/1/2016-´ÉºÉÚãÉÉÒ/bÉÒ+ÉÉ®]ÉÒ, ÉÊVɺÉBÉäE uÉ®É +ÉÆÉÊiÉàÉ ºÉÆ{É®ÉÒÉÊFÉiÉ iÉÖãÉxÉ-{ÉjÉ BÉäE +ÉxÉÖºÉÉ® 500 BÉE®Éä½ âó{ÉA +ÉÉè® =ºÉºÉä +ÉÉÊvÉBÉE BÉEÉÒ +ÉÉÉκiÉ ´ÉÉãÉä =ºÉàÉå =ÉÎããÉÉÊJÉiÉ MÉè® ¤ÉéBÉEBÉEÉ®ÉÒ ÉÊ´ÉkÉÉÒªÉ BÉÆE{ÉÉÊxɪÉÉå BÉEÉä 'ÉÊ´ÉkÉÉÒªÉ ºÉƺlÉÉ+ÉÉå' BÉäE °ô{É àÉå +ÉÉÊvɺÉÚÉÊSÉiÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ MɪÉÉ cè, BÉEÉÒ ABÉE |ÉÉÊiÉ (ÉÊcxnÉÒ iÉlÉÉ +ÉÆOÉäVÉÉÒ ºÉƺBÉE®hÉ)* [Placed in Library, See No. LT- 7218/16/17] º´ÉɺlªÉ +ÉÉè® {ÉÉÊ®´ÉÉ® BÉEãªÉÉhÉ àÉÆjÉÉãÉªÉ àÉå ®ÉVªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ (gÉÉÒ {ÉEMMÉxÉ É˺Éc BÉÖEãɺiÉä): àÉcÉänªÉÉ, àÉé JÉÉtÉ ºÉÖ®FÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉÉxÉBÉE +ÉÉÊvÉÉÊxɪÉàÉ, 2006 BÉEÉÒ vÉÉ®É 93 BÉEä +ÉÆiÉMÉÇiÉ ÉÊxÉàxÉÉÊãÉÉÊJÉiÉ +ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ+ÉÉäÆ BÉEÉÒ ABÉE-ABÉE |ÉÉÊiÉ (ÉÊcxnÉÒ iÉlÉÉ +ÉÆOÉäVÉÉÒ ºÉƺBÉE®hÉ) ºÉ£ÉÉ {É]ãÉ {É® ®JÉiÉÉ cÚÆ:- (ABÉE) JÉÉtÉ ºÉÖ®FÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉÉxÉBÉE (nÚÉhÉBÉEÉ®ÉÒ iÉi´É, VÉÉÒ´É ÉÊ´ÉÉ +ÉÉè® +É´ÉÉʶÉ]) {ÉcãÉÉ ºÉƶÉÉävÉxÉ ÉÊ´ÉÉÊxɪÉàÉ, 2017 VÉÉä 20 VÉxÉ´É®ÉÒ, 2017 BÉäE £ÉÉ®iÉ BÉäE ®ÉVÉ{ÉjÉ àÉå +ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ ºÉÆJªÉÉ 1-10 (2)/àÉÉxÉBÉE/AºÉ{ÉÉÒ (àÉiºªÉ +ÉÉè® àÉiºªÉ{ÉÉãÉxÉ =i{ÉÉn) A{ÉEAºÉAºÉA+ÉÉ<Ç-2013 àÉå |ÉBÉEÉÉʶÉiÉ cÖA lÉä* 28.07.2017 42 (nÉä) JÉÉtÉ ºÉÖ®FÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉÉxÉBÉE (JÉÉtÉ =i{ÉÉn àÉÉxÉBÉE +ÉÉè® JÉÉtÉ ªÉÉäVÉBÉE) 13´ÉÉÆ ºÉƶÉÉävÉxÉ ÉÊ´ÉÉÊxɪÉàÉ, 2016 VÉÉä 6 ÉÊnºÉà¤É®, 2016 BÉäE £ÉÉ®iÉ BÉäE ®ÉVÉ{ÉjÉ àÉå +ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ ºÉÆJªÉÉ {ÉÉÒ.15025/93/2011-{ÉÉÒA{ÉEA/A{ÉEAºÉAºÉ+ÉÉ<Ç/ àÉå |ÉBÉEÉÉʶÉiÉ cÖA lÉä * (iÉÉÒxÉ) JÉÉtÉ ºÉÖ®FÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉÉxÉBÉE (JÉÉtÉ =i{ÉÉn àÉÉxÉBÉE +ÉÉè® JÉÉtÉ ªÉÉäVÉBÉE) iÉÉÒºÉ®É ºÉƶÉÉävÉxÉ ÉÊ´ÉÉÊxɪÉàÉ, 2017 VÉÉä 14 {ÉE®´É®ÉÒ, 2017 BÉäE £ÉÉ®iÉ BÉäE ®ÉVÉ{ÉjÉ àÉå +ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ ºÉÆJªÉÉ A{ÉE.ºÉÆ.1- 10(7)/àÉÉxÉBÉE/AºÉ{ÉÉÒ(àÉiºªÉ +ÉÉè® àÉiºªÉ{ÉÉãÉxÉ =i{ÉÉn) A{ÉEAºÉAºÉA+ÉÉ<Ç-2013 àÉå |ÉBÉEÉÉʶÉiÉ cÖA lÉä * (SÉÉ®) JÉÉtÉ ºÉÖ®FÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉÉxÉBÉE (JÉÉtÉ =i{ÉÉn àÉÉxÉBÉE +ÉÉè® JÉÉtÉ ªÉÉäVÉBÉE) {ÉÉÆSÉ´ÉÉ ºÉƶÉÉävÉxÉ ÉÊ´ÉÉÊxɪÉàÉ, 2017 VÉÉä 19 VÉÚxÉ, 2017 BÉäE £ÉÉ®iÉ BÉäE ®ÉVÉ{ÉjÉ àÉå +ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ ºÉÆJªÉÉ A{ÉE.ºÉÆ.àÉÉxÉBÉE/03/+ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ(AãÉ.AºÉ.)/A{ÉEAºÉAºÉA+ÉÉ<Ç-2017 àÉå |ÉBÉEÉÉʶÉiÉ cÖA lÉä * ({ÉÉÆSÉ) JÉÉtÉ ºÉÖ®FÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉÉxÉBÉE (JÉÉtÉ =i{ÉÉn àÉÉxÉBÉE +ÉÉè® JÉÉtÉ ªÉÉäVÉBÉE) SÉÉèlÉÉ ºÉƶÉÉävÉxÉ ÉÊ´ÉÉÊxɪÉàÉ, 2017 VÉÉä 17 àÉ<Ç, 2017 BÉäE £ÉÉ®iÉ BÉäE ®ÉVÉ{ÉjÉ àÉå +ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ ºÉÆJªÉÉ A{ÉE.ºÉÆ.àÉÉxÉBÉE/AºÉºÉÉÒAºÉAºÉAhbASÉ/+ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ(02)/A{ÉEAºÉAºÉA+ÉÉ<Ç-2016 àÉå |ÉBÉEÉÉʶÉiÉ cÖA lÉä * (Uc) JÉÉtÉ ºÉÖ®FÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉÉxÉBÉE (JÉÉtÉ =i{ÉÉn àÉÉxÉBÉE +ÉÉè® JÉÉtÉ ªÉÉäVÉBÉE) {ÉcãÉÉ ºÉƶÉÉävÉxÉ ÉÊ´ÉÉÊxɪÉàÉ, 2017 VÉÉä 2 {ÉE®´É®ÉÒ, 2017 BÉäE £ÉÉ®iÉ BÉäE ®ÉVÉ{ÉjÉ àÉå +ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ ºÉÆJªÉÉ A{ÉE.ºÉÆ.àÉÉxÉBÉE/+ÉÉäAhbA{ÉE/+ÉÉÊvɺÉÚSÉxÉÉ(1)/A{ÉEAºÉAºÉA+ÉÉ<Ç-2016 àÉå |ÉBÉEÉÉʶÉiÉ cÖA lÉä* [Placed in Library, See No. LT- 7219/16/17] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF CORPORATE AFFAIRS (SHRI ARJUN RAM MEGHWAL): Madam, I beg to lay on the Table:- (1) A copy of the Memorandum of Understanding (Hindi and English versions) between the Security Printing and Minting Corporation of India Limited and the Ministry of Finance for the year 2017-2018. [Placed in Library, See No. LT- 7220/16/17] 28.07.2017 43 (2) A copy each of the following papers (Hindi and English versions) under Article 151(1) of the Constitution:- (i) Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India-Union Government (Defence Services) (No. 24 of 2017)-Air Force for the year ended March, 2016. [Placed in Library, See No. LT- 7221/16/17] (ii) Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India-Union Government (Defence Services) (No. 26 of 2017)-Performance Audit on Disbursement of Defence Pension for the year ended March, 2016. [Placed in Library, See No. LT- 7222/16/17] (iii) Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India-Union Government (No. 27 of 2017)-(Department of Revenue-Direct Taxes) Performance Audit on Assessment of Private Hospitals, Nursing Homes/Medical Clinics, Medical Colleges/Research Institutes, Diagnostic Centres, Pathological labs and other Medical supplies agencies/stores for the year ended March, 2017. [Placed in Library, See No. LT- 7223/16/17] (iv) Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India-Union Government (No. 28 of 2017)-Performance Audit on Recapitalisation of Public Sector Banks, Ministry of Finance. [Placed in Library, See No. LT- 7224/16/17] (3) A copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under Section 31 of the Securities and Exchange Board of India Act, 1992:- (i) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Foreign Portfolio Investors) (Second Amendment) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD-NRO/GN/2016-17/035 in Gazette of India dated 27th February, 2017. 28.07.2017 44 (ii) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Settlement of Administrative and Civil Proceedings) (Amendment) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD-NRO/GN/2016-17/036 in Gazette of India dated 27th March, 2017. (iii) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Payment of Fees and Mode of Payment) (Amendment) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD- NRO/GN/2016-17/037 in Gazette of India dated 6th March, 2017. (iv) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Payment of Fees and Mode of Payment) (Amendment) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD- NRO/GN/2016-17/038 in Gazette of India dated 29th March, 2017. (v) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Employees’ Service) (Second Amendment) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD-NRO/GN/2016-17/002 in Gazette of India dated 17th May, 2017. (vi) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Listing Obligations and Disclosure Requirements) (Third Amendment) Regulations, 2016 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD-NRO/GN/2016-17/025 in Gazette of India dated 4th January, 2017. (vii) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Alternative Investment Funds) (Amendment) Regulations, 2016 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD-NRO/GN/2016-17/026 in Gazette of India dated 4th January, 2017. (viii) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Employees’ Service) (Amendment) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD-NRO/GN/2017-18/001 in Gazette of India dated 27th April, 2017. 28.07.2017 45 (ix) The Securities and Exchange Board of India (Issue of Capital and Disclosure Requirements) (Second Amendment) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD-NRO/GN/2017-18/006 in Gazette of India dated 31st May, 2017 (x) The Securities Contracts (Regulation) (Stock Exchange and Clearing Corporations) (Third Amendment) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. SEBI/LAD- NRO/GN/2017-18/003 in Gazette of India dated 29th May, 2017. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7225/16/17] (4) A copy each of the following notifications (Hindi and English versions) under issued under Section 26A of the Securities and Exchange Board of India Act, 1992, Section 26A of the Securities Contracts (Regulation) Act, 1956 and Section 22C of the Depositories Act, 1996:- (i) The Securities Contracts (Regulation) (Third Amendment) Rules, 2017 published in Notification No. G.S.R.822(E) in Gazette of India dated 3rd July, 2017. (ii) S.O.1180(E) in Gazette of India dated 13th April, 2017 appointing Special Judge presiding over the City Civil and Sessions Court, Greater Mumbai for the purposes of the aforesaid Acts. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7226/16/17] (5) A copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under Section 241 of the Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code, 2016:- (i) The Insolvency and Bankruptcy Board of India (Information Utilities) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. IBBI/2016-17/GN/REG009 in Gazette of India dated 31st March, 2017. 28.07.2017 46 (ii) The Insolvency and Bankruptcy Board of India (Voluntary Liquidation Process) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. IBBI/2016-17/GN/REG010 in Gazette of India dated 31st March, 2017. (iii) The Insolvency and Bankruptcy Board of India (Inspection and Investigation) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. IBBI/2016-17/GN/REG011 in Gazette of India dated 14th June, 2017. (iv) The Insolvency and Bankruptcy Board of India (Fast Track Insolvency Resolution Process for Corporate Persons) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. IBBI/2016-17/GN/REG012 in Gazette of India dated 15th June, 2017. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7227/16/17] (6) A copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under sub-section (3) of Section 15 of the Government Savings Banks Act, 1873:- (i) The Post Office Time Deposit (Amendment) Rules, 2016 published in Notification No. G.S.R.51(E) in Gazette of India dated 19th January, 2017. (ii) The Post Office (Monthly Income Account) Amendment Rules, 2016 published in Notification No. G.S.R.52(E) in Gazette of India dated 19th January, 2017. (iii) The Post Office Recurring Deposit (Amendment) Rules, 2016 published in Notification No. G.S.R.53(E) in Gazette of India dated 19th January, 2017. (iv) The Post Office Recurring Deposit (Amendment) Rules, 2016 published in Notification No G.S.R.383(E) in Gazette of India dated 18th April, 2017. (v) The Post Office (Monthly Income Account) Amendment Rules, 2017 published in Notification No. G.S.R.384(E) in Gazette of India dated 18th April, 2017. 28.07.2017 47 (vi) The Post Office Time Deposit (Amendment) Rules, 2017 published in Notification No. G.S.R.385(E) in Gazette of India dated 18th April, 2017. (vii) The Senior Citizen Savings Scheme (Amendment) Rules, 2017 published in Notification No. G.S.R.386(E) in Gazette of India dated 18th April, 2017. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7228/16/17] (7) A copy of the Notification No. G.S.R.388(E) (Hindi and English versions) published in Gazette of India dated 18th April, 2017, notifying that the subscriptions made to the fund on or after the 1st day of April, 2017 and the balances at the credit of the subscriber shall bear interest at the rate of 7.9 per cent per annum issued under Section 5 of the Public Provident Fund Act, 1968. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7229/16/17] (8) A copy of the Senior Citizens’ Welfare Fund (Amendment) Rules, 2017 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. G.S.R.380(E) in Gazette of India dated 18th April, 2017 issued under Section 128 of the Finance Act, 2015. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7230/16/17] (9) A copy of the Specified Bank Notes (Deposit by Banks, Post Offices and District Central Cooperative Banks) Rules, 2017 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. G.S.R.611(E) in Gazette of India dated 20th June, 2017 under sub-section (2) of Section 11 of the Specified Bank Notes (Cessation of Liabilities) Act, 2017. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7231/16/17] (10) A copy of the Limited Liability Partnership (Amendment) Rules, 2017 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. G.S.R.470(E) in Gazette of India dated 16th May, 2017 under sub-section (3) of Section 79 of the Limited Liability Partnership Act, 2008. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7232/16/17] 28.07.2017 48 (11) A copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under sub-section (3) of Section 63 of the Competition Act, 2002:- (i) S.O.2039(E) published in Gazette of India dated 29th June, 2017, exempting every person or enterprise who is a party to a combination as referred to in Section 5 of the Competition Act, 2002 from giving notice within thirty days mentioned in sub-section (2) of Section 6 of the said Act, subject to the provisions of sub-section (2A) of Section 6 and Section 43A of the Competition Act, for a period of five years from the date of publication of this notification. (ii) S.O.988 (E) published in Gazette of India dated 29th March, 2017, exempting the enterprises, who control, shares, voting rights or assets are being acquired under Section 5 of the Competition Act, 2002. (iii) S.O.989 (E) (Hindi and English versions) published in Gazette of India dated 29th March, 2017 rescinding Notification No. S.O.674(E) dated 4th March, 2016. (iv) S.O.950(E) published in Gazette of India dated 24th March, 2017, exempting the Vessel Sharing Agreements of Liner Shipping Industry from the provisions of Section3 of the Competition Act, 2002 for a period for three months with effect from 31st March 2017. (v) S.O.1933(E) published in Gazette of India dated 16th June, 2017, exempting the Vessel Sharing Agreements of Liner Shipping Industry from the provisions of Section3 of the Competition Act, 2002 for a period for one year with effect from 20th June 2017. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7233/16/17] 28.07.2017 49 (12) A copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under Section 30B of the Chartered Accountants Act, 1949:- (i) The Chartered Accountants (Amendment) Regulations, 2017 published in Notification No. 1-CA(7)/178/2016 in Gazette of India dated 25th May, 2017. (ii) G.S.R.376(E) published in Gazette of India dated 17th April, 2017, making certain amendments in the Notification No. G.S.R.38(E) dated 19th January, 2011. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7234/16/17] (13) A copy of the Notification No. G.S.R.391(E) (Hindi and English versions) published in Gazette of India dated 19th April, 2017, making certain amendments in the Notification No. G.S.R.787(E) dated 15th October, 2015, under Section 40 of the Cost and Works Accountants Act, 1959. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7235/16/17] (14) A copy of the Statement (Hindi and English versions) on Quarterly Review of the trends in receipts and expenditure in relation to the budget at the end of the Financial year 2016-2017, under sub-section of Section 7 of Fiscal Responsibility and Budget Management Act, 2003. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7236/16/17] (15) A copy of the Notification No. G.S.R.387 (E) (Hindi and English versions) published in Gazette of India dated 18th April, 2017, notifying that the subscriptions made to the fund on or after the 1st day of April, 2017 and the balances at the credit of the subscriber shall bear interest at the rate of 8.4 per cent per annum issued under sub-rule (1) of Rule 7 of the Sukanya Samriddhi Account Rules, 2016. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7237/16/17] 28.07.2017 50 (16) A copy of the Notification No. S.O.1317(E) published in Gazette of India dated 26th April, 2017 appointing the 26th April, 2017 as the date on which the provisions of Part VIII of Chapter VI of the Finance Act, 2017 shall come into force issued under Section 145 of the said Act. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7238/16/17] (17) A copy of the Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code (Removal of Difficulties) Order, 2017 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. S.O.1683(E) in Gazette of India dated 24th May, 2017 under Section 242(1) of the Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code, 2016. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7239/16/17] (18) A copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under sub-section (3) of Section 12 of the Government Savings Certificates Act, 1959:- (i) The National Savings Certificates (VIII Issue) (Amendment) Rules, 2016 published in Notification No. G.S.R.54(E) in Gazette of India dated 19th January, 2017. (ii) The Kisan Vikas Patra (Amendment Rules), 2017 published in Notification No. G.S.R.381(E) in Gazette of India dated 18th April, 2017. (iii) The National Savings Certificates (VIII Issue) (Amendment Rules), 2017 published in Notification No. G.S.R.382(E) in Gazette of India dated 18th April, 2017. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7240/16/17] 28.07.2017 51 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRIMATI ANUPRIYA PATEL): Madam, I beg to lay on the Table:- (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of the Indian Council of Medical Research, New Delhi, for the year 2015- 2016. (ii) A copy of the Annual Accounts (Hindi and English versions) of the Indian Council of Medical Research, New Delhi, for the year 2015- 2016, together with Audit Report thereon. (iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and English versions) by the Government of the working of the Indian Council of Medical Research, New Delhi, for the year 2015-2016. (2) Statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers mentioned at (1) above. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7241/16/17] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (DR. SUBHASH RAMRAO BHAMRE): Madam, I beg to lay on the table a copy each of the following papers (Hindi and English versions):- (1) Memorandum of Understanding between the Hindustan Shipyard Limited and the Ministry of Defence for the year 2017-2018. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7242/16/17] (2) Memorandum of Understanding between the Mishra Dhatu Nigam Limited and the Ministry of Defence for the year 2017-2018. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 7243/16/17] ______ 28.07.2017 52 12.03 hours MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA SECRETARY GENERAL: Madam Speaker, I have to report the following message received from the Secretary General of Rajya Sabha:- (i) “In accordance with the provisions of rule 127 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to inform the Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha at its sitting held on the 26th July, 2017 agreed without any amendment to the National Institutes of Technology, Science Education and Research (Amendment) Bill, 2017, which was passed by the Lok Sabha at its sitting held on the 28th March, 2017.” 28.07.2017 53 12.03 ¼ hours BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE 45th Report THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI ANANTHKUMAR): Madam, I beg to present the Forty-fifth Report of Business Advisory Committee. 12.03 ½ hours JOINT COMMITTEE ON OFFICES OF PROFIT 21st and 22nd Reports bÉì. ºÉiªÉ{ÉÉãÉ É˺Éc (¤ÉÉMÉ{ÉiÉ) : àÉcÉänªÉÉ, àÉé ãÉÉ£É BÉEä {ÉnÉå ºÉƤÉÆvÉÉÒ ºÉƪÉÖBÉDiÉ ºÉÉÊàÉÉÊiÉ BÉEÉ 21´ÉÉÆ +ÉÉè® 22´ÉÉÆ |ÉÉÊiÉ´ÉänxÉ (ÉÊcxnÉÒ iÉlÉÉ +ÉÆOÉäVÉÉÒ ºÉƺBÉE®hÉ) |ɺiÉÖiÉ BÉE®iÉÉ cÚÆ* 28.07.2017 54 12.04 hours BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI ANANTHKUMAR): With your permission Madam, I rise to announce that Government Business during the week commencing Monday, the 31st of July, 2017 will consist of:- 1. Consideration of any items of Government Business carried over from today's Order Paper which contains consideration and passing of :- (i) the Indian Institutes of Management Bill, 2017, (ii) the National Bank for Agriculture and Rural Development (Amendment) Bill, 2017, (iii) the Banking Regulation (Amendment) Bill, 2017 - to replace an Ordinance, and (iv) the Indian Institute of Petroleum and Energy (IIPE) Bill, 2017. 2. Discussion on Statutory Resolution seeking disapproval of the Punjab Municipal Corporation Law (Extension To Chandigarh) Amendment Ordinance, 2017 (No.2 of 2017) and consideration and passing of the Punjab Municipal Corporation Law (Extension To Chandigarh) Amendment Bill, 2017 - to replace an Ordinance. 3. Discussion on Statutory Resolution seeking disapproval of the Central Goods and Services Tax (Extension to Jammu and Kashmir) Ordinance, 2017 (No. 3 of 2017) and consideration and passing of the Central Goods and Services Tax (Extension to Jammu and Kashmir) Bill, 2017 - To replace an Ordinance; 4. Discussion on Statutory Resolution seeking disapproval of the Integrated Goods and Services Tax (Extension to Jammu and Kashmir) Ordinance, 2017 (No. 28.07.2017 55 4 of 2017) and consideration and passing of the Integrated Goods and Services Tax (Extension to Jammu and Kashmir) Bill, 2017 - To replace an Ordinance; 5. Consideration and passing of the following Bills: - (a) The State Banks (Repeal and Amendment) Bill, 2017. (b) The Repealing and Amending Bill, 2017. (c) The Requisitioning and Acquisition of Immovable Property Amendment Bill, 2017 (d) The Central Road Fund (Amendment) Bill, 2017. (e) The Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Sites and Remains (Amendment) Bill, 2017. (f) The Public Premises (Eviction of Unauthorized Occupants) Amendment Bill, 2017 6. Discussion and Voting on Supplementary Demands for Grants (including Railways) for 2017-2018 and Demands for Excess Grants for 2014-2015. 7. Introduction, consideration and passing the Appropriation (No. 3) Bill, 2017. 8. Introduction, consideration and passing the Appropriation (No. 4) Bill, 2017. Thank you, Madam. SHRI ASADUDDIN OWAISI (HYDERABAD): How many Bills are being included in the next week? … (Interruptions) SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): There are so many Bills. This Business is for how many days? … (Interruptions) HON. 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ASHOK KUMAR (KRISHNAGIRI): Madam Speaker, the following item may be taken up for discussion during the next week’s business. Fishermen in Tamil Nadu reside in precarious terrain by the seacoast. They have distinct customs and lifestyle and they eke out a meager livelihood from their traditional occupation. Most of them are very poor. Therefore, inclusion of fishermen community in the list of Scheduled Tribes is necessary. 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This Burn Standard Company came into existence in the year 1781 at Howrah. The Burn Standard Company built up two important structures, that is, Calcutta’s St. Andrew’s Church in 1880 and Shaheed Minar in 1828. Madam, in 1976, following the nationalization, the Burn Standard Company was amalgamated with the Indian Standard Wagon Company and was renamed as the Burn Standard Company Limited. The Burn Standard Company is one of the oldest and the leading wagon builders in India. But, owing to various reasons, the Burn Standard Company has become a sick industrial company since 1995. Thereafter, restructuring schemes were evolved. Now, after the financial restructuring scheme, a sum totaling Rs.245 crore was approved in June, 2016 by the Ministry of Railways and was processed for the approval of the Cabinet. But, the same was not materialized due to non-recommendation of NITI Aayog. Now, what I am praying and requesting, through you, to the Ministry is that under the present circumstances, the Burn Standard Company Limited, being one of the oldest and leading wagon manufacturers in India, should be revived with the 28.07.2017 66 Central assistance to regain its lost glory and without any delay. Any disinvestment proposal of the same by the Government of India is really strongly opposed by us. I will request you to consider our prayer. HON. SPEAKER: Shri Md. 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SPEAKER: Shri Dushyant Singh, Shri Bhairon Prasad Mishra and Shri Pushpendra Singh Chandel are permitted to associate with the issue raised by Shri Sukhbir Singh Jaunapuria. PROF. SUGATA BOSE (JADAVPUR): Madam, this House should take note of and celebrate the 100th anniversary of the publication of Rabindranath Tagore’s famous book ‘Nationalism’. In it, Tagore recorded his conviction that “my countrymen will gain truly their India by fighting against that education which teaches them that a country is greater than the ideals of humanity”. Yeh insaniyat ke baat aaj yaad rakhna hai (We should remember this message about humanity today). He had something even more perceptive and farsighted to say in 1917 that is relevant in 2017. He wrote: “The social habit of mind, which impels us to make the life of our fellow beings a burden to them where they differ from us even in such a thing as their choice of food is sure to persist in our political organization and result in creating engines of coercion to crush every rational difference which is the sign of life.” Madam, you know that today, the engines of coercion are snuffing out life in the form of mob lynchings. It is our duty today to save the expression of rational difference that can nurture and nourish a healthy national life. Our Minister of HRD is present here today. He has given an assurance that Tagore will not be removed from our textbooks but he should go further and include more of Rabindranath Tagore in our textbooks so that our young students can learn the value of humanity. HON. SPEAKER: Shri Rajeev Satav, Shri M.B. Rajesh, Shri Arvind Sawant, Dr. Shrikant Shinde, Shri Rahul Shewale, Shri Pushpendra Singh Chandel, Shri Shrirang Appa Barne, Shri Md. Badaruddoza Khan, Shri George Baker, Dr. Kirit P. Solanki and Dr. Mamtaz Sanghamita are permitted to associate with the issue raised by Prof. Sugata Bose. 28.07.2017 73 gÉÉÒ nÉÒ{Éäxp É˺Éc cÖbÂbÉ (®ÉäciÉBÉE) : àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, àÉé +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä àÉÉvªÉàÉ ºÉä ºÉ®BÉEÉ® BÉEÉ vªÉÉxÉ ®É]ÅÉÒªÉ ®ÉVÉvÉÉxÉÉÒ FÉäjÉ ÉÊnããÉÉÒ AxɺÉÉÒ+ÉÉ® àÉå +ÉÉ FÉäjÉ BÉEä ÉÊãÉA VÉÉä àÉÆVÉÚ®ÉÒ ÉÊàÉãÉÉÒ lÉÉÒ, ´ÉcÉÄ £ÉÉÒ AªÉ®{ÉÉä]Ç ºlÉÉÉÊ{ÉiÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ VÉÉA* <ºÉBÉEä ºÉÉlÉ cÉÒ ºÉÉlÉ cÉÊ®ªÉÉhÉÉ BÉEä ÉÊcºÉÉ® +ÉÉè® BÉE®xÉÉãÉ àÉå 2 +ÉÉè® AªÉ®{ÉÉä]ºÉÇ àÉÆVÉÚ®¶ÉÖnÉ cé* SHRI GURJEET SINGH AUJLA (AMRITSAR): I thank you, Speaker ma’m, for giving me the opportunity to speak on a matter of urgent public importance. I would like to draw your attention to an important matter pertaining to Punjab. Ma’m, in the 1980s, barbed wire fence was constructed along the over 100 kms Indo-Pak border in my constituency. However, it spelled doom for the agriculturists of the area as cultivable land of farmers fell beyond the barbed wire fence. These farmers are given only 2 hours daily to tend and cultivate their land that falls beyond the barbed wire. One cannot do any worthwhile cultivation in 2 hours. Moreover, whenever tension increases between India and Pakistan, the situation here deteriorates from bad to worse. Hence, I demand from the Central Government that it should provide adequate compensation to these hapless farmers. They have been left in the lurch by the Central Government and are suffering due to no fault of theirs. So, I urge upon the Central Government to bail out these farmers at the earliest. Thank you. English translation of the speech originally delivered in Punjabi. 28.07.2017 76 HON. SPEAKER: Shri P. Karunakaran – not present. SHRIMATI KOTHAPALLI GEETHA (ARAKU): Madam Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak about a very important issue regarding the tribal children studying in tribal ashram schools. Every year 30 to 40 children studying in these schools are subject to vector borne diseases like malaria and jaundice and are losing their lives. No accountability has been fixed on these ashram schools for the loss of lives of these children. It is a shocking fact that these children studying in tribal welfare schools are lacking the minimum amenities to live. They are being stuffed in one room without proper amenities to live. Not only that, they are all anaemic. They are suffering with bloodlessness and no medical care is provided to these students. Though there is a provision for providing an ANM or a nurse, it is not being provided by the Government. Not only this, the Class IV employees are not there in these schools and the students are subject to a lot harassment. They do the cleaning and all the sanitation works in the schools. It is a matter of fact that the Government has failed to provide safe drinking water. There are RO plants in some of these institutions. But these RO plants lack in maintenance and the children are being infected with a lot of diseases due to the contaminated water. Not only that, Madam, there are no wardens appointed on regular basis in these schools, and there is no budgetary provision for the Class IV employees in these schools. They do not have the responsibility fixed. In view of the above, I would request the Minister of Tribal Welfare to allocate more budget for the Tribal Welfare Schools and thereby provide these amenities of health and infrastructure in the Tribal Welfare Schools. Thank you. HON. SPEAKER: Kunwar Pushpendra Singh Chandel is permitted to associate with the issue raised by Shrimati Kothapalli Geetha 28.07.2017 77 12.56 hours SUBMISSIONS BY MEMBERS (i) Re: Denial of permission by the Athletics Federation of India to Ms. P.U. Chitra, an athlete from participating in World Athletic Meet to be held in London SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN (VADAKARA): Hon. Madam Speaker, I want to draw the attention of this august House to a grave injustice done to a most deserving athlete, Ms. P.U. Chitra, who won the gold medal at the recent Asian Athletic Meet held at Bhubaneswar for the 1,500 metre event. But it is extremely distressing to note that she has, for no reason, been denied opportunity to participate in the World Athletic Meet to be held in London. Ms. Chitra is the pride of our country and she hails from an extremely poor family of Kerala. Thousands of sports-loving persons are deeply agitated over the authoritarian attitude of the Athletic Federation of India depriving this most promising athlete of the opportunity to participate in the London Meet. Madam, Sports Federations are virtually becoming law unto themselves, and decisions are being taken at their whims and fancies. I would, therefore, request the Government of India to intervene in the matter and immediate steps should be taken to ensure that Ms. P.U. Chitra represents India at the International Meet in London. SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): Madam, we are seeking a clarification from the Government.… (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: You may associate with him. … (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: Shri M.B. Rajesh, Shri N.K. Premachandran and Shri Shashi Tharoor are permitted to associate with the issue raised by Shri Mullappally Ramachandran. 28.07.2017 78 gÉÉÒ ®ÉcÖãÉ BÉEº´ÉÉÆ (SÉÖ°ô) : àÉé +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä àÉÉvªÉàÉ ºÉä ªÉc BÉEcxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE |ÉvÉÉxÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ {ÉEºÉãÉ ¤ÉÉÒàÉÉ ªÉÉäVÉxÉÉ BÉEä iÉciÉ càÉÉ®ä FÉäjÉ SÉÖ°ô BÉEä +ÉÆn® BÉE®ÉÒ¤É ºÉÉfÃä iÉÉÒxÉ ãÉÉJÉ ÉÊBÉEºÉÉxÉÉå xÉä ¤ÉÉÒàÉÉ BÉE®´ÉɪÉÉ cè* ªÉc ¤ÉcÖiÉ cÉÒ AäÉÊiÉcÉÉʺÉBÉE ºBÉEÉÒàÉ ®cÉÒ ÉÊVɺÉàÉå |ÉÉÒÉÊàɪÉàÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ ãÉÉä cè +ÉÉè® ÉÊ®àÉÉä] ºÉåÉ˺ÉMÉ ºÉä càÉ <ºÉBÉEÉä näJÉiÉä cé* ´ÉÉÇ 2016 BÉEÉÒ JÉ®ÉÒ{ÉE {ÉEºÉãÉ àÉå BÉE®ÉÒ¤É ºÉÉfÃä iÉÉÒxÉ ãÉÉJÉ ÉÊBÉEºÉÉxÉÉå xÉä ¤ÉÉÒàÉÉ BÉE®´ÉɪÉÉ* ÉÊVÉãÉä ºÉä |ÉÉÒÉÊàɪÉàÉ BÉE®ÉÒ¤É 90 BÉE®Éä½ âó{ɪÉä Madam, 1.15 million metric tonne potential is there in Lakshadweep, but the so far exploited quantity is just 15,000 metric tonne. One and the only produce of the fishermen of Lakshadweep is ‘mass mean’ which is a local name there, and it is called Dry Tuna Fish. The consuming country of this Dry Tuna Fish is Sri Lanka. Now, all these years, it has been going to Sri Lanka through the middlemen. A large chunk of profit was being taken away by the middlemen. To stop that, the Lakshadweep Administration has thought of procuring this mass mean through its cooperatives. This year, they have started the procurement of dry Tuna Fish from the fishermen through the cooperatives. Around 250 metric tonnes is in the stock. Now, to topple that, the middleman has again started sending the same product in a mala fide manner without explicitly saying that this is a dry Tuna Fish. They are saying that it is the assorted fish. These middlemen are doing this just to topple the market and to disturb the price that the fishermen are getting. Therefore, I would like to request the Government through you, Madam, that those exports which are going by the name of dry fish, the product’s name should clearly be mentioned. If it is a Tuna Fish, it should be named as dry Tuna Fish. The disguise that these middlemen are showing is that it is the assorted fish. They are simply sending any material in the name of that and toppling the market. I would also like to submit two things in this regard. First, the Government – MPEDA is the controlling authority – should take note of it. The exported goods name should be there. Secondly, since this has been toppled, there is a chance of loss for the fishermen and the cooperatives. Therefore, my request to the Government is that, if such a request from the Lakshadweep Administration comes for compensation of the fishermen, it may be considered. 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BÉEèb® ¤ÉxÉÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ MɪÉÉ cè iÉÉä {ÉÆVÉÉ¤É +ÉÉè® cÉÊ®ªÉÉhÉÉ BÉEä <à{ÉãÉɪÉÉÒVÉ BÉEÉ ´ÉcÉÆ VÉÉxÉÉ ¤ÉÆn cÉä MɪÉÉ cè* VÉààÉÚ-BÉE¶àÉÉÒ® àÉå +ÉÉìãÉ {ÉÉ]ÉÔ bäÉÊãÉMÉä¶ÉxÉ MɪÉÉ lÉÉ, ´ÉcÉÆ ÉʺÉJÉÉå BÉEÉä àÉÉ ®äãÉ´Éä BÉEä +ÉxªÉ º]ä¶ÉxÉÉå àÉå ¶ÉÖ°ô BÉE®xÉä ºÉä ªÉÉÉÊjɪÉÉå BÉEÉä ¶ÉÖr, cÉ 13.04 hours SUBMISSIONS BY MEMBERS ....contd. (ii) Re: Alleged violation of Hyperandrogenism policy of International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) by Ms. Dutee Chand, a sprinter, resulting in her disqualification SHRI BHARTRUHARI MAHTAB (CUTTACK): Madam, it was in 2014, I had raised a matter relating to a budding athlete Dutee Chand. At that time, the then Sports Minister and the present Chief Minister of Assam Shri Sonowal had taken it up. Again, I am raising this issue because the Court of Arbitration for Sports is now going to reopen Dutee Chand’s hyperandrogenism case. The Government should challenge the IAAF’s latest finding with charges of conflict of interest and bias. It was done by IAAF’s researchers and leading scientists, Stephane Bermon and Pierre-Yves Garnier, both. Garnier was a part of the IAAF’s medical and anti-doping Commission for many years. Similarly, Garnier is the director of the health and science department of the IAAF. This is a case of conflict of interest since the World Anti-Doping Agency was a party of this research paper. These scientists should have been neutral, but they owe their allegiance to the IAAF. Dutee was barred from competing by the Athletic Federation of India – as in the case of Chitra that was mentioned by Shri Ramachandran – in September 2014. She challenged the decision at the Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS), which overturned it on July 27, 2015. CAS had given two years time to IAAF to come up with some new findings. But the situation here today is this. The Athletics Federation of India (AFI) had disqualified Ms. Dutee Chand, a rising sprinter, in 2014 due to violation of hyperandrogenism policy of the International Association of Athletics Federation. However, the Court of Arbitration for Sports had overturned the decision of AFI in 2015 and directed AFI to re-approach the Court after two years with more evidences on hyperandrogenism regulations. The IAAF’s research paper on the 28.07.2017 83 issue, however, is in question due to charges of conflict of interest and bias on the part of IAAF’s researchers and scientists. Both the researchers and the scientists who prepared this research paper were associated with IAAF for a very long time. It is a matter of prestige of our country. Dutee Chand is an aspiring gold medallist. That is what was proved in Bhubaneswar athletics and other athletics also. … (Interruptions) Let me complete. I, therefore, urge upon the Government to fight it out in the International Court, that is, in Switzerland where this was fought in 2014. Here is a case that we have to say that there is a conflict of interest and, accordingly, the respective Ministry or Minister may be approached to take up this case. This is for sex-based discrimination and undue harassment due to biased research paper of IAAF. I would be happy if the Government responds to this case, please. HON. SPEAKER: Kunwar Pushpendra Singh Chandel, Shri Bhairon Prasad Mishra, Dr. Kirit P. Solanki, Shri Sharad Tripathi and Shri Kamakhya Prasad Tasa are permitted to associate with the issue raised by Shri Bhartruhari Mahtab. THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI ANANTHKUMAR): Madam, earlier also, our hon. Members from Kerala have raised a similar matter. Now, my dear colleague Shri Bhartruhari Mahtab, who is a veteran Parliamentarian, has also raised this issue concerning the Indian athletes from two different States. If there is an issue of conflict of interest and if it has to be raised at the level of IAAF and if India has to represent that in the Court of Arbitration in Switzerland, then, I think, we will definitely take up this matter through our hon. Youth Affairs and Sports Minister. 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Speaker Madam, I have three points but I am praying the Central Government, through you, that in my Basirhat constituency area, there is no Central school. Several times I prayed but till today, the Government has not taken any action. Secondly, my prayer is this. My area is near Bangladesh border area which is within the jurisdiction of the Central Government. There the roads are in a very dilapidated condition. … (Interruptions) =ºÉ ®ÉºiÉä BÉEÉÒ £ÉÉÒ VªÉÉnÉ àÉ®ààÉiÉ BÉE®xÉÉÒ SÉÉÉÊcA* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : SHRI K. PARASURAMAN (THANJAVUR): I would like to draw the attention of the Railway Minister regarding some important Railway demands under my constituency. Train No. 16853/16854 Cholan Express is operated between Trichy and Chennai Egmore via mainline for many decades. Cholan Express is the only day time daily express via mainline and is widely used by passengers. Further, more patronage exists in this train between Chidambaram and Trichy from short distance travellers. 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BÉEä ~äBÉEänÉ®Éå uÉ®É cÉä ®cÉ cè, ÉÊVɺɺÉä ´ÉcÉÄ BÉEä ÉÊBÉEºÉÉxÉ U]{É]É ®cä cé* +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉä +ÉɶSɪÉÇ cÉäMÉÉ ÉÊBÉE ¤ÉÉfà ºÉä ¤ÉÉÆvÉÉå BÉEä ]Ú]xÉä ºÉä cWÉÉ®Éå ABÉE½ WÉàÉÉÒxÉ VÉÉä 1959 BÉEÉÒ ¤ÉÉfà àÉå ¤ÉÉãÉÚ ºÉä £É® MÉ<Ç lÉÉÒ, +ÉÉVÉ ÉÊ{ÉE® 28.07.2017 88 ºÉä ´ÉcÉÒ JÉiÉ®ä BÉEä cÉãÉÉiÉ cÉä MÉA cé* ºÉèBÉE½Éå ÉÊBÉEºÉÉxÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ {É®ä¶ÉÉxÉ cé +ÉÉè® ´ÉcÉÄ BÉEÉä<Ç ºÉÖxÉxÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ xÉcÉÓ cè* +É´ÉèvÉ ¤ÉÉãÉÚ +ÉÉè® ÉÊàÉ]Â]ÉÒ BÉEÉ JÉxÉxÉ àÉÉÉÊ{ÉEªÉÉ uÉ®É, +É´ÉèvÉ +ɺjÉ-¶ÉºjÉ BÉEÉ £ÉÆbÉ® ´ÉcÉÄ àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : gÉÉÒ £Éè®Éå |ɺÉÉn ÉÊàÉgÉ A´ÉÆ BÉÖEÄ´É® {ÉÖ{Éäxp É˺Éc SÉxnäãÉ BÉEÉä gÉÉÒ +ÉÉζ´ÉxÉÉÒ BÉÖEàÉÉ® SÉÉè¤Éä uÉ®É =~ÉA MÉA ÉÊ´ÉÉªÉ BÉEä ºÉÉlÉ ºÉƤÉr BÉE®xÉä BÉEÉÒ +ÉxÉÖàÉÉÊiÉ |ÉnÉxÉ BÉEÉÒ VÉÉiÉÉÒ cè* SHRI MD. BADARUDDOZA KHAN (MURSHIDABAD): Hon. Speaker,Madam, I am facing very much trouble to implement schemes under the MPLADS in my constituency. The District Magistrate is the implementing authority for the works in my constituency. Three years have passed but I got an allotment of only Rs.7.5 crore. It happened due to the non-cooperation of the District Magistrate. He is not releasing the fund properly on time. So the implementation is delayed. In the last three years, he has not convened any meeting to review the MPLADS works. So we got no chance to speak anything about the MPLADS funds. Recently, the Ministry of Statistics has noticed that Murshidabad is far behind so many districts at the State level. Hence I request the Government, through you, Madam, to please make an inquiry and take necessary action so that I can utilize the full amount of the MPLADS fund for the benefit of the people. gÉÉÒ £Éè®Éå |ɺÉÉn ÉÊàÉgÉ (¤ÉÉÆnÉ) : àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ VÉÉÒ, àÉé ABÉE +ÉÉÊiÉ MÉÆ£ÉÉÒ® ÉÊ´ÉÉªÉ BÉEÉÒ +ÉÉä® +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉ vªÉÉxÉ +ÉÉBÉEÉÌÉiÉ BÉE®xÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÄ* àÉä®ää ºÉƺÉnÉÒªÉ FÉäjÉ ºÉÉÊciÉ {ÉÚ®ä ¤ÉÖÆnäãÉJÉÆb àÉå ÉÊBÉEºÉÉxÉ <ºÉ ºÉàÉªÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ cÉÒ {É®ä¶ÉÉxÉ A´ÉÆ +ÉɵÉEÉäÉʶÉiÉ cé* {ÉÚ´ÉÇ BÉEÉÒ BÉEäxp ºÉ®BÉEÉ® BÉEÉÒ ®ÉciÉ ®ÉÉ榃 iÉlÉÉ ´ÉiÉÇàÉÉxÉ àÉå =kÉ® |Énä¶É ºÉ®BÉEÉ® uÉ®É 1ãÉÉJÉ âó{ɪÉä BÉEÉÒ BÉEWÉÇ àÉÉ{ÉEÉÒ ªÉÉäVÉxÉÉ BÉEÉ ãÉÉ£É ¤ÉÖÆnäãÉJÉÆb BÉEä +ÉÉÊvÉBÉEiÉ® ÉÊBÉEºÉÉxÉÉå BÉEÉä xÉcÉÓ ÉÊàÉãÉ {ÉÉ ®cÉ cè BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE ´ÉcÉÄ +ÉxªÉ FÉäjÉÉå BÉEÉÒ +É{ÉäFÉÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ cÉÒ BÉEàÉ {ÉènÉ´ÉÉ® cÉäxÉä BÉEä BÉEÉ®hÉ ´ÉcÉÄ ºÉxÉ 1971 BÉEÉÒ ®ÉVɺ´É ºÉÆÉÊciÉÉ àÉå ABÉE ÉÊxɪÉàÉ ¤ÉxÉɪÉÉ MɪÉÉ lÉÉ ÉÊBÉE ´ÉcÉÄ BÉEÉÒ fÉ<Ç MÉÖxÉÉ WÉàÉÉÒxÉ +ÉxªÉ FÉäjÉÉå BÉEÉÒ +É{ÉäFÉÉ ¤É®É¤É® àÉÉxÉÉÒ VÉÉAMÉÉÒ* ´ÉcÉÄ VÉÉä ãÉPÉÖ +ÉÉè® ºÉÉÒàÉÉÆiÉ BÉEÉÒ MÉhÉxÉÉ BÉEÉÒ VÉÉiÉÉÒ cè, ´Éc {ÉÚ®ä |Énä¶É BÉEä ¤É®É¤É® BÉEÉÒ VÉÉ ®cÉÒ cè, VɤÉÉÊBÉE =xÉBÉEÉÒ ®ÉVɺ´É ºÉÆÉÊciÉÉ BÉEä 28.07.2017 89 +ÉxÉÖºÉÉ® fÉ<Ç MÉÖxÉÉ VªÉÉnÉ WÉàÉÉÒxÉ àÉå =xÉBÉEÉÒ MÉhÉxÉÉ BÉEÉÒ VÉÉxÉÉÒ SÉÉÉÊcA* +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä àÉÉvªÉàÉ ºÉä àÉé +ÉxÉÖ®ÉävÉ BÉE®xÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÄ ÉÊBÉE =kÉ® |Énä¶É ºÉ®BÉEÉ® A´ÉÆ BÉEäxp ºÉ®BÉEÉ® BÉEÉÒ ªÉÉäVÉxÉÉ+ÉÉäÆ àÉå ´ÉcÉÄ BÉEä ãÉPÉÖ +ÉÉè® ºÉÉÒàÉÉÆiÉ ÉÊBÉEºÉÉxÉÉå BÉEÉä fÉ<Ç MÉÖxÉÉ VªÉÉnÉ, ªÉÉxÉÉÒ fÉ<Ç cèBÉD]äªÉ® +ÉÉè® {ÉÉÄSÉ cèBÉD]äªÉ® iÉBÉE BÉEä ãÉÉäMÉÉå BÉEÉä ãÉPÉÖ +ÉÉè® ºÉÉÒàÉÉÆiÉ àÉÉxÉÉ VÉÉA* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : BÉÖEÄ´É® {ÉÖ{Éäxp É˺Éc SÉxnäãÉ BÉEÉä gÉÉÒ +ÉÉζ´ÉxÉÉÒ BÉÖEàÉÉ® SÉÉè¤Éä uÉ®É =~ÉA MÉA ÉÊ´ÉÉªÉ BÉEä ºÉÉlÉ ºÉƤÉr BÉE®xÉä BÉEÉÒ +ÉxÉÖàÉÉÊiÉ |ÉnÉxÉ BÉEÉÒ VÉÉiÉÉÒ cè* 28.07.2017 90 13.20 hours INDIAN INSTITUTES OF MANAGEMENT BILL, 2017.....Contd. HON. SPEAKER: Now we will take up Item No.12. There is no lunch hour today. Now, the Minister. àÉÉxÉ´É ºÉƺÉÉvÉxÉ ÉÊ´ÉBÉEÉºÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ (gÉÉÒ |ÉBÉEÉ¶É VÉɴɽäBÉE®): +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, ¤ÉcÖiÉ-¤ÉcÖiÉ vÉxªÉ´ÉÉn* àÉcÉänªÉÉ, VÉèºÉÉ ÉÊBÉE <ºÉ ÉʤÉãÉ BÉEÉÒ ¶ÉÖ°ô+ÉÉiÉ BÉEãÉ cÖ<Ç cè iÉÉä àÉé BÉEä´ÉãÉ ÉÊ®-BÉEè{É BÉE°ôÆMÉÉ* {ÉcãÉä iÉÉä càÉÉ®ä nä¶É àÉå <ÆÉÊbªÉxÉ <ƺ]ÉÒSªÉÚ] +ÉÉì{ÉE àÉèxÉäVÉàÉå] BÉEÉ ABÉE JÉÉºÉ ºlÉÉxÉ cè +ÉÉè® =ºÉBÉEÉÒ ABÉE +ÉxiÉ®®É]ÅÉÒªÉ {ÉcSÉÉxÉ ¤ÉxÉÉÒ cè* Our institutes are not only famous in India, they are famous all over the world. The Institutes of Management at Kolkata, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Lucknow, Indore, Kozhikode, Ranchi, Rohtak, Raipur, Trichy, Udaipur, Amritsar, Bodh Gaya, Nagpur, Sambhalpur, Sirmaur, Visakhapatnam, Jammu, etc., are all working well. It is an ecosystem of IIMs, which is working; it is an ecosystem of quality. What we are proposing through this Bill is, as institutes are run by societies, we want to declare them as institutes of national importance so that they can award degrees. We want to bestow them with the power of awarding degrees. Hence, it will be a regular MBA and not a diploma. It will not be a fellowship but a PhD. So, these two things should be there. ÉÊbOÉÉÒ näxÉä BÉEÉÒ {ÉÉ´É® näxÉÉ ABÉE BÉEÉàÉ cè* ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ, =ºÉºÉä VªÉÉnÉ ¤É½ÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ cè ÉÊBÉE càÉ =xcå º´ÉɪÉkÉiÉÉ nä ®cä cé, BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE àÉÉänÉÒ VÉÉÒ BÉEä xÉäiÉßi´É àÉå ºÉ®BÉEÉ® ªÉc Éʴɶ´ÉÉºÉ ®JÉiÉÉÒ cè ÉÊBÉE +ÉMÉ® càÉ nä¶É BÉEÉÒ ÉÊ´ÉuiÉÉ {É® £É®ÉäºÉÉ xÉcÉÓ BÉE®åMÉä, nä¶É BÉEä VÉÉä +ÉSUä ºÉƺlÉÉxÉ cé, +ÉMÉ® càÉ =xÉ {É® Éʴɶ´ÉÉºÉ xÉcÉÓ BÉE® ºÉBÉEiÉä iÉÉä ÉÊ{ÉE® càÉ ÉÊBÉEºÉÉÒ {É® £ÉÉÒ Éʴɶ´ÉÉºÉ xÉcÉÓ BÉE® ºÉBÉEiÉä* 13.21 hours (Dr. Ratna De (Nag) in the Chair) Therefore, we must give autonomy to the educational institutes, which have achieved the quality benchmark, and which have achieved a reputation and have 28.07.2017 91 helped created an ecosystem for themselves as well as for everybody to follow. <ºÉÉÊãÉA, +ÉÉì]ÉäxÉÉäàÉÉÒ näxÉä BÉEÉ £ÉÉÒ <ºÉàÉå àÉÖqÉ cè* {ÉcãÉä, ºÉ®BÉEÉ® cÉÒ ¤ÉÉäbÇ BÉEÉä +É{´ÉɪÉÆ] BÉE®iÉÉÒ lÉÉÒ, ºÉ®BÉEÉ® cÉÒ SÉäªÉ®àÉèxÉ BÉEÉä +É{´ÉɪÉÆ] BÉE®iÉÉÒ lÉÉÒ, ºÉ®BÉEÉ® cÉÒ ‘ºÉSÉÇ Ahb ºÉäãÉäBÉD¶ÉxÉ BÉEàÉä]ÉÒ’ BÉEÉä +É{´ÉɪÉÆ] BÉE®iÉÉÒ lÉÉÒ* +É¤É càÉ ªÉc ºÉ¤É BÉÖEU xÉcÉÓ BÉE®åMÉä, ªÉc ºÉ¤É ‘¤ÉÉäbÇ-+ÉÉì{ÉE-MÉ´ÉxÉǺÉÇ’ BÉE®äMÉÉ, BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE MÉ´ÉxÉÇàÉå] BÉEä xÉÉìÉÊàÉxÉÉÒ ¤ÉcÖiÉ cÉäiÉä lÉä* +É¤É ´Éä xÉcÉÓ cÉåMÉä +ÉÉè® ¤ÉºÉ ABÉE cÉÒ cÉäMÉÉ* {ÉcãÉä +ÉÉ<Ç.+ÉÉ<Ç.AàÉ. BÉEÉ=ÆÉʺÉãÉ BÉEÉ £ÉÉÒ SÉäªÉ®àÉèxÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ cÉäiÉÉ lÉÉ, {É® càÉxÉä VÉÉä |ɺiÉÉ´É ÉÊnªÉÉ cè, =ºÉàÉå +É¤É àÉé =ºÉ BÉEÉ=ÆÉʺÉãÉ BÉEÉ SÉäªÉ®àÉèxÉ xÉcÉÓ ®cÚÆMÉÉ, BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE àÉé <ºÉàÉå Éʴɶ´ÉÉºÉ BÉE®iÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE VÉèºÉä càÉ +É{ÉxÉä PÉ® àÉå ABÉE {Éè®å]弃 BÉEä iÉÉè® {É® +É{ÉxÉä ¤ÉSSÉÉå {É® +ÉMÉ® ]ź] BÉE®iÉä cé iÉÉä ¤ÉSSÉä VªÉÉnÉ +ÉSUÉ BÉEÉàÉ BÉE®iÉä cé, ´ÉèºÉä nä¶É BÉEÉä £ÉÉÒ +É{ÉxÉÉÒ ºÉƺlÉÉ+ÉÉäÆ {É®, VÉÉä BÉEÉÉʤÉãÉ ºÉƺlÉÉ cè, ÉÊVÉxcÉåxÉä BÉD´ÉÉÉÊãÉ]ÉÒ +É]åb ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ cè, =xÉBÉEÉä +ÉSUÉÒ º´ÉɪÉkÉiÉÉ näBÉE® =xÉ {É® Éʴɶ´ÉÉºÉ BÉE®xÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA* ÉÊ{ÉE® càÉ VÉÉä {ÉèºÉä näiÉä cé, =ºÉàÉå càÉ +ÉÉ<Ç.+ÉÉ<Ç.AàÉ. BÉEÉä ºÉÉiÉ ºÉÉãÉ cÉÒ {ÉèºÉä näiÉä cé* càÉ =xcå <Æ|ÉEɺ]ÅBÉDSÉ® BÉEä ÉÊãÉA +ÉÉè® +É{ÉxÉÉ JÉSÉÇ SÉãÉÉxÉä BÉEä ÉÊãÉA ºÉÉiÉ ºÉÉãÉ cÉÒ {ÉèºÉä näiÉä cé* ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ, ¤ÉÉn àÉå ´Éä ºÉäã{ÉE ºÉÉÊ{ÉEÉʶÉAÆ] cé +ÉÉè® ªÉc àÉÉìbãÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ ºÉBÉDºÉäºÉ{ÉÖEãÉ cè* Therefore, we must trust our best institutes. ABÉE BÉEãSÉ® BÉEÉä càÉå ¤ÉfÃÉ´ÉÉ näxÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA* So, we, the Members of Parliament, as a nation should learn to believe in our people, to trust our best institutes and give them autonomy to conduct their affairs. <ºÉBÉEÉ àÉiÉãÉ¤É ªÉc xÉcÉÓ ÉÊBÉE VÉÉä {ÉèºÉÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ, =ºÉBÉEÉ BÉDªÉÉ BÉE®åMÉä, BÉÖEU {ÉiÉÉ xÉcÉÓ cè, AäºÉÉ xÉcÉÓ cÉäiÉÉ cè, BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE +ÉMÉ® càÉ ÉÊ®º{ÉÉìÉÎxºÉ¤ÉãÉ cé iÉÉä ´Éä £ÉÉÒ ABÉE ÉÊ®º{ÉÉìÉÎxºÉ¤ÉãÉ <ƺ]ÉÒSªÉÚ] cé* ´ÉcÉÆ ºÉÉÒ. Ahb A.VÉÉÒ. BÉEÉ +ÉÉìÉÊb] £ÉÉÒ cÉäMÉÉ* =xÉBÉEÉÒ ´ÉÉÉÌÉBÉE ÉÊ®{ÉÉä]Ç ªÉcÉÆ +ÉÉAMÉÉÒ* ÉÊVÉxcå BÉE£ÉÉÒ =ºÉ {É® SÉSÉÉÇ BÉE®xÉÉÒ cÉä iÉÉä ºÉƺÉn àÉå £ÉÉÒ =ºÉ {É® SÉSÉÉÇ cÉä ºÉBÉEiÉÉÒ cè +ÉÉè® +É{ÉxÉÉÒ º]èÉÏhbMÉ BÉEàÉä]ÉÒ àÉå £ÉÉÒ =ºÉ {É® SÉSÉÉÇ cÉä ºÉBÉEiÉÉÒ cè* <ºÉÉÊãÉA ‘SÉäBÉDºÉ Ahb ¤ÉèãÉåºÉäVÉ’ àÉå ´Éc cè* {ÉcãÉä MÉ´ÉxÉÇàÉå] VÉÉä bɪɮäBÉD¶ÉÆºÉ näiÉÉÒ lÉÉÒ, +ÉÉ<Ç.+ÉÉ<Ç.AàºÉ. BÉEÉä ªÉcÉÆ ºÉä SÉãÉÉxÉÉ, V´ÉɪÉÆ] ºÉäµÉEä]®ÉÒ ªÉÉ càÉÉ®ä ¤ÉÉBÉEÉÒ +ÉÉÊvÉBÉEÉÉÊ®ªÉÉå BÉEä uÉ®É +ÉÉ<Ç.+ÉÉ<Ç.AàºÉ. BÉEÉ ºÉÆSÉÉãÉxÉ cÉäxÉÉ, ªÉc BÉEÉä<Ç +ÉSUÉÒ ÉκlÉÉÊiÉ xÉcÉÓ cè* As matured democracy, we must trust our matured institutes. Therefore, this is an effort (a) to give them power to accord degrees and (b) to give them complete autonomy and freedom so that they can excel more. ´Éä +ÉSUÉÒ {ÉEèBÉEã]ÉÒVÉ ãÉä ºÉBÉEiÉä cé* {ÉEèBÉEã]ÉÒVÉ BÉEÉä ´ÉèÉÊ®A¤ÉãÉ {ÉèBÉEäVÉ nä ºÉBÉEiÉä cé* =xÉ {É® nä¶É BÉEÉ BÉEÉxÉÚxÉ ãÉÉMÉÚ cè* UÉjÉÉå BÉEä ªÉÉ |ÉÉvªÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉå BÉEä ÉÊciÉÉå BÉEä VÉÉä ¤ÉÉBÉEÉÒ BÉEÉxÉÚxÉ cé, ´Éä =xÉ {É® ãÉÉMÉÚ cé* ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ, c® SÉÉÒWÉ BÉEä ÉÊãÉA +É¤É ºÉ®BÉEÉ® BÉEÉÒ {É®ÉÊàɶÉxÉ xÉcÉÓ 28.07.2017 92 ãÉäxÉÉÒ {ɽäMÉÉÒ* =xcå <ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA ÉÊnããÉÉÒ xÉcÉÓ +ÉÉxÉÉ {ɽäMÉÉ, ÉÊSÉ]Â~ÉÒ xÉcÉÓ £ÉäVÉxÉÉÒ {ɽäMÉÉÒ* They will conduct their affairs themselves. I feel that this is a big change. <ºÉÉÊãÉA ªÉc ÉʤÉãÉ ABÉE AäÉÊiÉcÉÉʺÉBÉE ÉʤÉãÉ cè* càÉ ABÉE xÉA ªÉÖMÉ àÉå VÉÉ ®cä cé, VÉcÉÆ càÉ càÉÉ®ä ¤Éäº] <ƺ]ÉÒSªÉÚ]弃 +ÉÉè® AVÉÖBÉEä¶ÉxÉ <ƺ]ÉÒSªÉÚ]弃 {É® ]ź] BÉE®BÉEä =xcå +ÉÉì]ÉäxÉÉäàÉÉÒ nä ®cä cé* nÉäxÉÉå BÉEä BÉEÉ®hÉ ªÉc àÉci´É{ÉÚhÉÇ ÉʤÉãÉ cè* <ºÉ {É® SÉSÉÉÇ cÉäMÉÉÒ* ºÉ¤É BÉEä ºÉÖZÉÉ´ÉÉå BÉEÉ º´ÉÉMÉiÉ cè* HON. CHAIRPERSON : Motion moved: “That the Bill to declare certain Institutes of management to be institutions of national importance with a view to empower these institutions to attain standards of global excellence in management, management research and allied areas of knowledge and to provide for certain other matters connected therewith or incidental thereto, be taken into consideration.” DR. SHASHI THAROOR (THIRUVANANTHAPURAM): Madam Chairperson, I thank you for giving me this opportunity. I would like to thank the Minister for his eloquent introduction of this Bill. On the face of it, as he said, the Indian Institutes of Management Bill is a fairly routine one and he has presented it in a very unexceptionable light, but I do have some concerns which I would like to share with him. First of all, the legislation brings to the fore certain larger issues involved in our Government’s approach to the higher education sector and secondly, of course, there are specifics on the Bill that I would also like to address. The larger point is that we have in our country, a potential demographic dividend because of our youthful population, but it is very clear that if we do not revitalize our education sector, particularly the higher education sector, this demographic dividend potentially will transform into a demographic disaster. If we cannot train, educate, equip our young people to take advantage of the opportunities that the world economy and the national economy will offer them in the 21st century, then we will actually end up with a lot of frustrated unemployed or under-employed young people. We have seen the consequences of that in our tribal areas with the 28.07.2017 93 Maoist movement, the naxalite movement and we do not want to see that kind of a negative consequence amongst our youth at large in our country. I do fear that this seems not to have been given the importance that it deserves by our Government. I am not blaming my friend, the HRD Minister. The problem lies at heart in this Government’s inability or unwillingness to provide the necessary resources required to be able to drive our higher education sector towards the demographic dividend. If we were to look, for example, at the specific case of the IIMs, they were created many years ago very much as an earnest of the State’s determination to equip, train our bright young people to contribute towards their future by equipping them with management qualifications which were earlier unknown in our country. Management education has been around for 100 years or more in countries like America, but in our country, it really started with the IIMs. What is striking is that instead of investing in our future through strengthening our higher education, what have we seen in the share of budgetary outlay towards education? In the most recent Budget, it was stagnant at only 3.7 per cent and only a meagre 1.5 per cent has been allocated to higher education altogether, even though the need has risen year after year, the population is growing year after year and inflation is also reducing the value of the amounts year after year. The Standing Committee Report in March this year, which discussed the Demands for Grants of the Department of Higher Education, made very strong and pertinent observations and noted that though the Government claims to have increased the expenditure for IIMs and IITs, these institutions have been dealing with a chronic shortage of resources and funds that deters them from competing with the global institutions against which we must benchmark institutions like the IIMs. Only three of our IIMs feature in the list of Top-100 Management Schools in the world as per 2017 Financial Times’ ranking. Considering the quality of students that we get in the IIMs - we have very rigorous selection procedures in place in our country and strong competitive examinations - I must say that we are failing our young minds if we cannot offer 28.07.2017 94 them access to the best universities of the world in our country. There are young men and women who have to go out and compete with the world where in a globalising economy, Indian companies also hold their own with multinational corporations and against the best that the world has to offer. Why can we not offer them the best or even better educational facilities than are available in some of these western countries? I believe that having only three out of 100 is a travesty, and I think that it reveals that the Government is not doing enough to bolster their development. Now, the Government is proud to announce that it has created another institution of national importance. I welcome and applaud that, but the expenditure of the Government towards higher education in real terms is coming down, and in nominal terms it is increasing very modestly. I think that it is 2 per cent in the last couple of years. Now, when you have an institution of national importance, it must also be an institution of budgetary importance. But where is the budgetary importance that has been given? I think that my good friend, the HRD Minister, is not getting the support that he deserves from the Finance Ministry and it seems to me that for the Government to make understandably very ambitious claims about its efforts, these have to be matched with suitable budgetary allocations. I can see my friend, the Minister for Women and Child Development, has the same problem. This emphasis on fiscal rectitude is all very well, but not at the cost of the nation’s objectives and priorities. In fact, if I can just return to the HRD Ministry, having worked there myself for a brief period, if we see how the Government’s budgetary priorities are functioning with the Rashtriya Uchchatar Shiksha Abhiyan (RUSA), I know that it is not connected to the IIMs directly, but it reflects a larger problem that in the name of fiscal probity and controls you are starving the one thing that we have all created, that is, to promote excellence, equity and access to institutions of higher education in the States. We had hoped to upgrade those poor Universities 28.07.2017 95 through the RUSA, but by March of this year only 46 per cent of the total Central share of RUSA expenditure has been released and only 24 per cent has been utilised. My worry is that this shows either a lack of intent or a lack of monitoring of implementation or both, and I want to draw the Minister’s attention to this issue. We have a similar problem when it comes to teachers in higher education. The Government launched the Pandit Madan Mohan Malaviya National Mission on Teachers and Training, which is supposed to strengthen the creation and training of teachers in our educational institutions. But what do we see? There is no progress in the establishment of Centres in the Universities, and a tiny fraction of the fund has been utilised since 2014. In fact, coming back to the IIMs, let us look at the vacancies. Just recently, this very month, the Minister of State in HRD responded to an hon. MP’s question about vacancies in teaching positions and he stated that 26 per cent of faculty posts in the IIMs and 35 per cent of faculty in the IITs are lying vacant. Now, the race to create more institutions in numbers, which is definitely necessitated by our population growth, must not overshadow the aspects of quality of education. We cannot make up in mindless numbers the glaring lack of quality in higher education in India, but for quality we need resources; we need money; we need facilities; and we need faculty. This is where I am sorry to say that the Government is collectively lacking. The Government has also delayed the implementation of the Higher Education Financing Agency. How many years have we been hearing about this from the hon. Minister and we have actually not seen the establishment of this Agency? If we really want to have an effective higher education sector for our youth, then the Government has to be more innovative in its approach. We can have slogans, but those slogans must be fulfilled in reality and that is not happening. The multi-pronged malaises have really held the Universities of India back from realising the aspirations of our young people, and I think that only 28.07.2017 96 a vision that goes beyond superficial change and that goes beyond slogans to real tangible action will work. Now, let me come to the specifics of the Bill. I want to agree entirely with the Minister that brand ‘IIM’ has truly come into its own and it is synonymous with the world-class management education with a distinctively Indian flavour. Even though, only 3 of those IIMs have made it to top 100, those 3 are, I think, a revelation of what the rest could be like. After all, the story of our country’s economic resurgence would be incomplete without acknowledging the critical role collectively played by the IIMs in providing our country with an amazingly talented, motivated and highly successful pool of managers who have gone on in many ways to transform every area of our society and our economy with their exceptional leadership. It is because they have done that and because we all have come across very distinguished IIM alumni and the difference they made to India, I also want to affirm that in my view, they have realised the hopes and vision of the man who established the IIMs – Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru – who had the vision to realise that India needed management education and brought it into this country. As in many other areas of our nation-building, we must pay homage to his far- sightedness in realising that if India is to meet its Tryst with Destiny, India would need world class leaders for business and industry as well. Now, let me turn to the specifics of the Bill because while applauding many good things about it, I do want to acknowledge that it is clearly an improvement on the earlier draft that was circulated by the Minister’s predecessor. That had been assailed by various legitimate controversies. I congratulate the Government on having been able to move past those issues and to come up with a very far- reaching Bill. I want to really congratulate Shri Javadekar Sahib because there is a significant degree of autonomy conceded for the first time. I think, it is really a remarkable moment when a Government Minister in our system actually surrenders powers and says, “please have more autonomy.” Many of us have been clamouring for this for some time. I want to congratulate the hon. Minister that he 28.07.2017 97 has taken this step. Though I support this thrust, I must say that I have some concerns. He has already summarised the Bill – Institutions of National Importance. One thing that is very striking is that the post of Visitor is abolished. The Visitor of these IIMs was the Rashtrapati. It is perhaps a slightly surprising welcome to our new Rashtrapati that he is being stripped of a function as soon as he takes over. But, Shri Javadekar Sahib will be answerable for that. It may be an odd welcome but nonetheless the result of this is that the Board of Governors has a lot more authority. They will select the Chairperson; they will select the Director; and neither the Rashtrapatiji nor the Human Resources Development Minister will now have a role in the selection of the top executives of these IIMs. I think, relinquishing Government control is an example that I am very glad he has set through the IIMs. I hope he will follow it in other institutions and create more autonomy for good, higher universities and institutions. May I request him in the Cabinet to encourage his colleagues in other Ministries to start doing the same thing? We really need to see some of this control and over regulation being moved aside. One particular feature, I want to congratulate the Minister for is that he has insisted that the Board shall comprise three women members. It is absolutely necessary. And five alumni, which is a very good thing. Those who are proud of being educated in these institutions will have an influence in how successive generations are also educated. It is an excellent idea. The Annual Report of IIMs will be tabled in our Parliament. The C&AG will audit their accounts. All of this is good because then we too can ask questions and do some oversight when we see the Report. The Coordination Forum is an interesting initiative. We had contemplated this in our time. I must say that you have taken a bold step that you are not the Chair, Mr. Minister but you have left it to an eminent person chosen by the Board 28.07.2017 98 to Chair the Coordinating Committee. I want to welcome all of these features. Where do I have some problems? The first issue is that the Bill is completely silent on the issue of – I have just five issues – reservation in teaching staff particularly. I have already mentioned about the 26 per cent vacancies in teaching staff and faculties. On top of that, you do not say anything about reservations for people in the faculty positions. I know that my good friend the hon. Minister has stated that the law of the land will always apply. But, I do not find a satisfactory mention of this in the Bill. Earlier, there was a specific provision. Today, it is no longer there. What is interesting is that there is a very vague language saying that IIMs shall try to recruit teachers from the weaker sections of society. I do not understand as to why as in the previous provision, it could not be explicitly stated as a requirement in the Bill. What is particularly worrying is that of the 233 faculty members in the six IIMs that we have information for, only two belong to the Scheduled Caste Community and none from the Scheduled Tribe Community. Now we are living in an era where more and more of our Scheduled Caste brothers and sisters are speaking of entrepreneurship as the way out of their lot in life. Dalit entrepreneurship is a major theme in recent years. And I think it is a worrying neglect of the legitimate aspirations for business leadership and business development on the part of our Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe communities that we have only two, amongst all of them, out of 233 faculty members. I would urge the Minister to give this attention. The second issue that the House must contemplate is a consequence of a good decision. The decision to give all 20 IIMs in the country the right to award degrees is welcome and I support it. Prior to this, IIMs like other universities used to offer something called a Post-graduate Diploma in Management which obviously was not universally accepted as an MBA, particularly in many foreign countries. If IIMs give MBA degrees, which now they are going to be allowed to, that will be very good. But it will now create a difference between the IIMs and all 28.07.2017 99 the other private and semi-private institutions of management which are still stuck with giving PGDMs. The Minister sahab has got to be aware that creating a new differential is not going to help the challenge of educating the large number of young people in our country who need management degrees. And it will be an unnecessary disadvantage placed upon these other institutions. Therefore, I propose that the Government in its next step should have a more ambitious Management Education Bill so that other management institutions can benefit from these reforms, create a National Management University to which they could all be affiliated and which can issue MBAs as well so that it is not only the IIMs giving MBAs as a result of today’s Bill but other management institutions can also do so. Singapore did something very similar with the Singapore Management University. It has been a huge success, improved management education in the country but has also gone very far in terms of global recognition. The third issue, Madam. The complete control of the Board that has been granted by this Bill over the fee structure worries me a little bit. I completely advocate autonomy of the university in other matters, IIMs and so on. But a lack of control of the Government over the quantum of fees may lead to disadvantages for the marginalised sections in our society. The needs of the nation could not be properly met if students from poorer families would have to undertake the burden of very heavy loans just to be able to study in a government institution, which is what the IIM is. They would then feel obliged to look for lucrative jobs in the business sector, they would not necessarily try and work back to their communities, and the chances of such an IIM graduate burdened with loans pursuing academics or research or even teaching in future IIMs would not be there. Therefore, I think it would defeat the purpose of the Bill if there was not some way in which we could retain some control. Fourth concern is lack of full-time Directors in the IIMs. In November 2016 the Minister has told us that 13 of the 20 IIMs are functioning without full- 28.07.2017 100 time Directors. The Government has failed to fill up these vacancies consistently, and this is creating a vacuum of leadership in the IIMs. Then there are two small provisions which I want to mention. One is your changing the name of IIM Calcutta to IIM Kolkata in this Bill. Actually I am a little worried about the erosion of the brand value of IIM-C as a term. But equally, I come from Kerala and we already have an IIM-K in IIM Kozhikode. How can you have two IIM-Ks? You will actually undermine the identity of both. I think this requires a rethink, and you might want to leave IIM Calcutta as Calcutta or call it IIM Kolkata but let it be known as IIM-C because that is a very distinctive brand. Finally, a rather petty thing has been done, Madam Chairman, in this Bill. With great regret I want to mention that the Government has decided to drop the prefix Rajiv Gandhi from the name of IIM Shillong. This is symptomatic of a pattern of attempting to demolish traditions and erase history. Of course, Rajiv Gandhi’s contribution to this country is something that does not need one name here or there to justify it. He has done a great deal to take India into the 21st century. But I must say it is rather petty of the Government to stoop so low in such a manner. To conclude, Madam, management education is extremely important in our country. These institutions have actually done a great deal for India. They have driven our nation forward. Many of the IIM products will hold key positions in our economy, in our society. Therefore, I hope that the Government will actually see this Bill as an opportunity to bolster the potential of these institutes, address these flaws, and give India the management leaders that it deserves. Thank you, Madam. Jai Hind! 28.07.2017 101 gÉÉÒàÉiÉÉÒ {ÉÚxÉàÉ àÉcÉVÉxÉ (=kÉ® àÉvªÉ àÉÖà¤É<Ç) : ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä àÉÖZÉä <ºÉ àÉci´É{ÉÚhÉÇ ÉʤÉãÉ {É® ¤ÉÉäãÉxÉä BÉEÉ àÉÉèBÉEÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ, <ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ-¤ÉcÖiÉ vÉxªÉ´ÉÉn* As hon. Member has just paid homage to Nehru and Gandhi family, I would like to pay my homage to, BÉEãÉ cÉÒ càÉÉ®ä +ÉÉn®hÉÉÒªÉ +ɤnÖãÉ BÉEãÉÉàÉ VÉÉÒ BÉEÉÒ {ÉÖhªÉÉÊiÉÉÊlÉ lÉÉÒ* àÉé =xcå ªÉÉn BÉE®BÉEä ªÉc BÉEcxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉÒ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE he spoke about India’s future for 2020 ÉÊBÉE ªÉÖ´ÉÉ BÉEèºÉä +ÉÉMÉä ¤ÉfÃä, how to ignite minds. I actually want to pay homage to hon. A.P.J. 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SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Madam, I am very happy to support this Bill, that is, The Indian Institutes of Management Bill, 2017. I would like to thank the hon. Minister for bringing this Bill. Madam, I will speak only for ten minutes. You give rest of the time of my party to Dr. Mamtaz Sanghamita. I will be very brief. Madam, I thank the hon. Minister for having brought this Bill. On this occasion, without going into contention, I would like to mention the name of Shri Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, our first hon. Prime Minister, whom the hon. President elected did not mention in his initial speech. He set up the first two IIMs in Calcutta and Ahmedabad in the year 1961. I would also like to thank Smt. Indira Gandhi, our then hon. Prime Minister, who set up IIM Bangalore in 1973. These management institutes have been harbingers of management education in this country. I will not agree with Dr. Shashi Tharoor that management is not a very old science. In America, the modern management started to be taught after Peter Drucker, who wrote his famous book called ‘Management.’ The top institutes in America have all come up after the Second World War. Madam, you have heard of the Sloan School of Management in MIT; Harvard Business School; Booth School of Management in Chicago University, where Shri Raghuram Rajan teaches now; Wharton School of Management; and Kellogg School of Management. The top management institutes are all in America having been set up after the Second World War. There is also the London Business School and there are good management institutes in Singapore, Japan and South Korea. But, I am proud to say that our top three management institutes – ABC that is, Ahmedabad, Bangalore and Calcutta, do compare favourably with the best institutes of the world. These three come within the top 200 management institutes in the world. You have to remember that in the top 200 universities in the world, not one Indian university is there. So, IIMs have made greatest strides as far as education is concerned. 28.07.2017 108 Madam, these institutes are being declared as the institutes of national importance according to 7th Schedule of Union List in Entry 64, under which we can declare any institute as institutes of national importance. The hon. Minister has clearly stated that this is done so that they can award degrees. Earlier they used to give Post Graduate Diploma in Management (PGDM). Now, they will give MBA degrees. Earlier they used to give fellow of the IIM, which was not recognized in many places as a Ph.D degree. Now, they will directly grant Ph.D degrees, which is a very, very welcome step. Madam, also the big thing about this is that the IIMs are being given complete autonomy. Apron strings of the Government are being cut by the Minister himself. Top five IITs are also world class. Since IITs are also under you, I would urge you to give autonomy to the IITs also. The top people always do IIT and then IIM. Shri Raghuram Rajan is from both IIT and IIM, Ahmedabad. So the best people go there. You give freedom to IITs also. Our friend, Shri Prem Das Rai, is also from IIT and IIM, Ahmedabad, which are the best institutions in the country. I congratulate him. Of the national level institutions, AIIMS is not under this Ministry. The AIIMS does not have so much autonomy. There is always a clash with the Government. The national law schools are also world class institutions but maybe, they are also not under this Ministry. Whatever is under your Ministry, you follow this policy of giving them autonomy which we will appreciate. The other thing to be mentioned is that many people speak of private sector in education but you would be surprised to know that very often different magazines bring out the list of top institutions in the country. Among the engineering colleges, first ten will be IITs. Among institutes of management, there are so many private institutes of management but still the IIMs occupy the top position which means that the institutions set up by the Central Government are still the best in the country. The private sector has thrived and they take a lot of fees but they have not come up to the level of the Government institutions. I 28.07.2017 109 want the Government to really maintain this pristine superiority which the Central Government institutions have achieved. As I said earlier, one of the objects mentioned is that the management education and research should reach top levels. Our IIMs have done very well as far as placement of students is concerned. Fresh graduates of 23 year old sometimes get salaries in crores of rupees from financial companies. Most of them get annual salaries in terms of lakhs of rupees but the research in management has not developed so much. So, I hope that this step will give thrust to research in management education which is changing every day. You would be glad to know that in IIM, Calcutta, apart from management, they are also teaching a course called IT-Enabled Management. It is because management and IT have become closely inter-linked and it is necessary for management experts to become IT-enabled. I would point out to the hon. Minister that he has given the Academic Council the freedom to form their own syllabus which is very good. He has given the Board of Governors the power to choose the Director and also their own Chairman which is very welcome. Now the question is that he has not put any control on the fees. Madam, when we were students, some of our friends went to IIM, Calcutta. At that time, the fees were very low. Now already the fees of IIMs are very high and unless the students get scholarship or education loans of around Rs.20 lakh, it is not possible for a bright boy even if he has cracked the Common Admission Test (CAT) for IIMs to really pave his way to IIMs. I would like more scholarships to be instituted by the IIMs so that no bright student is denied management education just because he or she does not have money to pursue management education. Please ensure this so that they can pursue management courses and money does not become a stumbling block for pursuing management studies. 28.07.2017 110 Madam, I also liked the speech by Ms. Poonam Mahajan, our young lady Member, very much. She was talking about the aspirations of the new generation of people. Our young educated boys and girls really want to do it. There is one Ms. Indira Nooyi, an alumni of IIM, Kolkata, who has now become the worldwide head of M/s Pepsi. Indian Management experts do have the capacity to go to the top. Madam, with these words, I would like to thank the hon. Minister once again for having brought forward such a progressive Bill. I hope that management in our country will improve. Previously we had management by the Rule of Thumb but now management has become a modern science and we should follow that rule to modernise the economy and the country so that we can become a big economic power in another 10 years. Thank you. 28.07.2017 111 SHRI NAGENDRA KUMAR PRADHAN (SAMBALPUR): Madam Chairperson, I am very much thankful to you for giving me this opportunity to express my views on this Bill. I would like to first congratulate the hon. Minister for bringing forward this Bill. It is because since 2003 onwards, first during the time of the previous BJP Government, the then hon. Minister for Human Resources Development, Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi, subsequent UPA Governments and then the previous hon. Minister of Human Resources Development, Smt. Smriti Irani had tried to bring this important Bill, especially to accord autonomous status. Finally, the present Minister has brought this Bill for discussion and passing. All aspects that have been there are all good but the present structure is somewhat different. For example, IIMs are elite institutions of our country. They are considered amongst the best institutions in the country. A management programme provides a holistic development of managerial skill through exposure to case studies, teaching, industrial training, consultancy, research and interaction with industry leaders. All these aspects in management education help students to cultivate practical and efficiency skill sets required in the industry. When management students enter the corporate arena they are expected to efficiently identify various issues and come out with the best of solutions. Only the most meritorious students finally make into these institutions. Additionally, the high fees charged at IIMs which is between Rs. 9 lakh and Rs. 20 lakh, also prevent several students from less privileged background from taking admission in these institutions. There are currently 20 IIMs across India. Based on reports IIMs put together have about 8000 seats. Compared to this, there are about 5500 other business schools that offer MBA degrees. They collectively have around five lakh seats as opposed to the mere 8000 seats in IIMs. While I commend the Government’s effort to further the standard of education and research at IIMs, I also ask whether the Government is aware of the fate of the other five lakh non-IIM MBA degree holders. 28.07.2017 112 I am putting this question because the hon. Minister and myself had the opportunity to attend the CoP21 in Paris. One situation happened that the Foreign Minister of USA, Mr. John Kerry, wanted to talk to him over phone. I was there. He told that we are committed for a certain cause as regards to CoP 21 Agreement. He did not talk to him over phone. Then Mr. John Kerry came, discussed – we were there – and he stood like a rock as regards the commitment of the Government of India. From that time onwards, I have been raising this point that IIMs are very best institutions of the country. Autonomous status and other things which are going to be implemented through the Bill are very good. But what about others? Five lakh non-IIM students are passing out. What about their future? According to reports, beside the 8000 IIM graduates, only 35,000 of the five lakh MBA graduates get jobs. Most of these jobs offer a salary of hardly Rs. 10,000 per month. How are these graduates to survive on this little salary? How are they going to repay students’ loans taken for getting an MBA degree? In such situations, investment certainly becomes higher than return. What about the fate of other graduates who do not even get a job? I urge the Government to take steps to improve the standard of these other B-schools as well as secure the future of such students. I am stressing on this point because the hon. Minister is a very decisive person. Increased fee in business schools and unavailability of placements are the two major reasons for less number of candidates applying for the Common Aptitude Test (CAT). Studies show that a large number of CAT aspirants who clear the exam with 80 per cent seek admissions in one of the top 100 colleges which only have a few seats to offer. This pool of candidates have nowhere to go as they are unwilling to settle for Tier-2 or Tier-3 B-schools. Every year, there is a drop in the number of candidates applying for CAT. One of the main reasons behind this drop is that a lot of students now prefer foreign universities over IIMs. In foreign universities, there is a possibility and a 28.07.2017 113 chance to get a scholarship but after this new Bill gets enacted, will there be a provision of scholarship so that the qualifying students will be able to study in these institutions? Before concluding, I would like to point out that certain recommendations of Expert Committees formed by Parliament have not been addressed in the Bill. This relates to (1) the Board having autonomy to determine faculty and pay; and (2) creation of an autonomous Standing Committee for management of education under an apex regulatory body for higher education. I ask the Government for a response regarding why these two recommendations were not considered and whether they would be considered and implemented in future or not. … (Interruptions) There is one IIM in my constituency Sambalpur which has been just established since 3 years. I want to draw your kind attention that by now IIM, Sambalpur. is running in a rented building. … (Interruptions) HON. CHAIRPERSON : Shri Arvind Sawant. SHRI NAGENDRA KUMAR PRADHAN : Please give me a minute. The management wrote a letter to the HRD Ministry for signing an MoU with the Sambalpur University for running the institution. … (Interruptions) The Odisha Government sanctioned a building for the said purpose and for the hostel accommodation for the students and staff. … (Interruptions) Odisha Government sanctioned 200 acres of land. … (Interruptions) HON. CHAIRPERSON: Shri Pradhan, please conclude. … (Interruptions) SHRI NAGENDRA KUMAR PRADHAN : My request to the hon. Minister is to clear the stand of the Government of India with regard to signing of the MoU with Odisha Government and IIM Sambalpur. 28.07.2017 114 SHRI ARVIND SAWANT (MUMBAI SOUTH): This entire week or the last ten days belong to our Minister. I think we are passing the fourth or the fifth Bill and all those Bills relate to education. It is very applaudable one. At the outset, let me congratulate the hon. Minister for bringing such a wonderful Bill. The most important thing which I liked in the Bill is the ‘autonomy’ given to these Institutes. That is what we required for a long time. Unless you give autonomy along with responsibility and accountability, we will not get the desired results. What is happening is that there is no autonomy. In the Government sector, not only in the institutes but also in the public sector enterprises, there is no autonomy. Make them accountable. Tell them, we will give you autonomy to run the business, but show us how much competent you are in the market and prove your mettle. Then, you will find that some of the PSUs also will work well. càÉ VÉ¤É <ƺ]ÉÒ]áÉÚ] +ÉÉì{ÉE àÉèxÉäVÉàÉå] ¤ÉxÉÉxÉä BÉEä ÉÊãÉA ºÉÉäSÉiÉä cé ªÉÉ VÉÉä +ÉÉìãÉ®äbÉÒ +ÉÉ<Ç.+ÉÉ<Ç.AàÉ. ¤ÉxÉä cÖA cé* ªÉÉÊn ´ÉcÉÆ º]É{ÉE BÉEÉÒ BÉEàÉÉÒ cÉäMÉÉÒ iÉÉä àÉä®ä ÉÊãÉA ªÉc ÉËSÉiÉÉ BÉEÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ cè* <ºÉ ÉÊ´ÉÉªÉ àÉå àÉÖZɺÉä {ÉÚ´ÉÇ ºÉÉƺÉnÉå xÉä VÉÉä ÉÊ´ÉSÉÉ® |ÉBÉE] ÉÊBÉEA* àÉÖZÉä ªÉä cÉÒ ãÉMÉÉ ÉÊBÉE càÉxÉä 20 <ƺ]ÉÒ]áÉÚ]弃 BÉEÉä xÉä¶ÉxÉãÉ <à{ÉÉì]çºÉ BÉEÉ nVÉÉÇ nä ÉÊnªÉÉ* Apart from these 20 institutions, there are hundreds of institutions which are functioning in the market. You go to any college. They offer all degree courses and all engineering courses. While traveling in the plane, you pick up any magazine and you will see advertisements for a number of engineering colleges and a number of management schools. We do not have any idea as to what sort of education they are imparting to the students who are studying over there. Are there standards equivalent to that of IIMs? We have IIMs which have global standards. One has to think about it very seriously. Secondly, it has come under the RTI also. You have brought this Bill where you have said that all these IIMs will be under the purview of the RTI also. So, we will have opportunities to know what is really happening. I will tell you what I have experienced in the past. Forget about IIMs. The IIMs have their own standard, syllabus, etc. My nephew had appeared for an examination to get into 28.07.2017 115 one of the management schools. Management colleges like Welingkar and other institutes are there. You have come from a place like Pune, which is the national hub of education. So, you know better than I do. That institute conducted an exam for the admission. That boy who secured distinction in the engineering, wanted to go in for management studies; and so he appeared in that examination. He got 99 plus per cent marks, but he still did not get admission. The management demanded money for his admission. This corrupt practice is still going on. Some institutes have got their branches all over the country. If you go for your boy to be enrolled in Mumbai, they would say that they do not have vacancy in Mumbai, and so go to Bangaluru. But if you want his admission in Mumbai only, you would have to pay money for that. This is the practice, which is going on. I would, therefore, request the hon. Minister that when he has brought forward such a wonderful Bill, he should look into this aspect also. We would have around 8,000 to 10,000 students studying in the IIMs but we would see more than five lakh students studying in other colleges, which are conducting MBA course only. They give MBA degree only. But is the MBA degree of those colleges equivalent to that of the IIM colleges? We will have to come out very openly on this subject. Sir, the second point is regarding fees and donation. The fees is very high, which one cannot afford. Forget about education alone. As we all know, NPAs of the banks are increasing. If you go through the records of the NPAs of banks, you would find that the students who had taken loan for their education are not able to repay their loan just because they have not got the job of that remuneration or of that quality. So, they are not able to repay their education loan. So, we have the increasing NPAs on this account also. While discussing on the IIIT Bill the other day I said the same thing of the students’ NPAs. This is again a matter of concern. Now, we say that Rs. 20 lakh is the fees. If there is a talented boy from a middle class or a lower middle class family, how would he be able to pay his fees? So, what is the Government going to do to protect such talented students? 28.07.2017 116 Though loan option is there, yet we have to look into this aspect and see what best we can do. Thirdly, I appreciate the hon. Minister. His job is really laudable. No one in the political field or even in the social field loves to leave his chair. Prakashji is a person, who loves to leave the chair. I really and heartily congratulate you. Alumni of these IIMS are working throughout the world. Some of them are getting very handsome salaries. They show the gratitude to the institutions from where they had studied. They are also helping people by paying their fees. I have one thing in my mind. Apart from the existing institutions, suppose a new IIM is to be opened, who would form the Board? Who has got the power to form the Board? There are the existing Boards, who are running the existing institutions. But if you have to form a new IIM, who has got the power to form that Board and give delegation of power? àÉé ABÉE UÉä]ÉÒ ºÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEcÚÆMÉÉ, gÉÉÒ ¶ÉÉ榃 lÉ°ô® VÉÉÒ xÉä VÉÉä ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEcÉÒ, ´Éc àÉÖZÉä lÉÉä½ÉÒ +ÉSUÉÒ xÉcÉÓ ãÉMÉÉÒ* In the education field, we talk about reservations and other things. We have the talented people from our SC/ST categories also. Very high talented boys are there; and they are securing very good marks. We should go in for the talents only. Be it from any class, caste, creed, religion, tribes, Scheduled Caste or Scheduled category, or whatever. Do not go for that. Go in for talent. We want to bring the future of this country and that of the students very high. Therefore, we should impart a very high and standard level of education to our students. +ÉÉÉÊJÉ® àÉå ABÉE cÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEcÚÆMÉÉ, {ÉÚxÉàÉ VÉÉÒ xÉä £ÉÉÒ +ÉSUÉ £ÉÉÉhÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ* =xcÉåxÉä VÉÉiÉä-VÉÉiÉä ABÉE ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEcÉÒ lÉÉÒ ÉÊBÉE càÉÉ®ä {ÉÆJÉ àÉiÉ BÉEÉ]Éä, iÉÉBÉEiÉ nä ®cä cÉä iÉÉä àÉé =xcÉÓ BÉEÉä ¤ÉiÉÉiÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä +ÉSUÉ {ÉÆJÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ cè* “ àÉÆÉÊVÉãÉå =xcÉÓ BÉEÉä ÉÊàÉãÉiÉÉÒ cé, ÉÊVÉxÉBÉEä ºÉ{ÉxÉÉå àÉå VÉÉxÉ cÉäiÉÉÒ cè, {ÉÆJÉÉå ºÉä =½ÉxÉ xÉcÉÓ cÉäiÉÉÒ, cÉèºÉãÉÉå ºÉä =½ÉxÉ cÉäiÉÉÒ cè*” +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉ cÉèºÉãÉÉ ¤ÉÖãÉÆn cè, <ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA àÉé +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉ +ÉÉÊ£ÉxÉÆnxÉ BÉE®iÉÉ cÚÆ +ÉÉè® <ºÉ ÉʤÉãÉ BÉEÉ ºÉàÉlÉÇxÉ BÉE®iÉÉ cÚÆ* vÉxªÉ´ÉÉn* 28.07.2017 117 DR. RAVINDRA BABU (AMALAPURAM): Madam, I am thankful to your for giving me this opportunity to speak on this important Bill. First of all, on behalf of our Telugu Desam Party and our leader Chandrababu Naidugaru, we fully support this Bill. This Bill correctly fits into the slogan of our Government, which is, ‘Less Government, More Governance’. This is the slogan of our Government, and I think, the HRD Minister has definitely and befittingly gave this autonomy of these institutions thereby decreasing the Government interference and increasing the autonomy of the institutions. Out of track, I would like to tell something to the Javadekar sahib. He may not be aware of what his reputation is among the MPs. He is known as a very dynamic Minister not only for his work but also for his liberal attitude of giving KV seats other than the allotted quotas to the MPs. We think so great about him. He has been very liberal. Please continue to do the same thing because we have a lot of obligations relating to our constituencies about the KV seats. Our State, Andhra Pradesh, has unfortunately got bifurcated. So, we have been suffering a lot. But, we never knew that in this bifurcation there would be a blessing in disguise. We got an institute of national importance. A lot of Central universities are also coming into the bifurcated Andhra Pradesh. Had Andhra Pradesh been together, I do not think, we would have got these many Central universities in the residuary Andhra Pradesh. Therefore, we feel lucky that we are getting a lot of Central universities. Maybe, it is because of bifurcation. Of course, it was very scientifically done. But, as far as these Central universities are concerned, we feel very lucky that they are coming up in Andhra Pradesh. We, especially, feel lucky because Shri Javadekar sahib is at the helm of affairs. At this point, a small discordant note is there. We have started IIMs in Visakhapatnam. A campus has been identified. The walls have been erected. Everything is done but as Dr. Shashi Tharoor and others said, there is no fund. This Institute is working like a surrogate Institute. It is working like Andhra 28.07.2017 118 University. Therefore, try to allocate more funds. It is not because it is a Central University but after bifurcation Andhra is suffering a lot due to fund crunch. Therefore, you are requested to allocate more funds. Apart from this ABC, IIM Ahmedabad, IIM Bangalore and IIM Calcutta, which are well-known, to provide autonomy to other institutes is also a very good step. But out of the total number of faculties, which are 233 or something, only two or three are from the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes category under the reservation policy. This is very unfortunate. We have been celebrating the 125th Birth Anniversary of Dr. Ambedkar. We have also recently elected one of the best Presidents befitting the memory of Dr. Ambedkar. But, this type of representation of SCs and STs in our higher institutes like IIMs and IITs is most unfortunate. Even my colleague Shri Arvind Sawant was also giving a lot of importance to merit and less importance to caste. Let me also tell him through this august House that SCs definitely require a big push. They have been neglected for centuries. They have been sidelined culturally, politically and economically. Therefore, they are handicapped. They cannot be treated on par with other. They, definitely, require reservation. We cannot treat them on par with others students. There has to be some amount of relaxation at the entry level. The reservations are always at the entry level. At the time of passing out, they have to be on par with other students. We are not giving any reservation for passing them. Merit would be the same. Therefore, this disparity of talent or recruiting less talented does not arise at all. My dear Sawant ji, please try to rectify, if at all, you have that concept of less merit. They will have more merit at the exit level. … (Interruptions) SHRI ARVIND SAWANT : One moment, Madam. Kindly allow me.… (Interruptions) I have never said: “For the entry.” Madam, it will be accusation on me and it will be on record. I have no objection for reservation for the students at the entry level. This is a teaching profession.… (Interruptions) 28.07.2017 119 HON. CHAIRPERSON : Nothing is going on record. Dr. Ravindra Babu, please continue. … (Interruptions)… DR. RAVINDRA BABU : Yes, Madam. After this LPG – the liberalization, privatization and globalization – these IIMs, especially, business schools gain a lot of significance also. When we think of business in India, when we think of trading in India, we cannot help them. But, remember, in the East India Company, the way they came here as a trading company, how they occupied. We also have a lot of recent examples. It is called neo-imperialism. In the form of trading, a lot of forces are coming in India, for example, China. My colleague, Rahul was telling me how many bulk drugs, how many important drugs are being imported from China. China is almost there in every nook and corner of India. Therefore, we have been subjugated. Financially and economically, we are getting weaker also. But the IIMs, being the beacons of knowledge, are the ones who can create prosperity through business, trading, manufacturing and enough financial activities. These are the people who are heading the international institutes also. For example, Indra Nooyi is from an IIM and she is heading PepsiCo. Therefore, these IIMs definitely need to be boosted and more quality faculty need to be also given. Of course, the Minister sahib is already doing it by giving autonomy. Regarding accountability, there is some problem. I do not know what the accountability of these autonomous institutes is. Also, please see to it that they do not enhance the fees on account of their capacity to award degrees. There are certain other institutes also who are not having the power to award degrees. Take for example the National Institute of Design. They also have the problem of not being able to award degrees themselves. Therefore, the students are becoming only diploma holders. If they want to appear for Civil Services and other examinations where a degree is required, they are being disqualified on the ground Not recorded 28.07.2017 120 that they have only diploma. Though they are studying for four to five years and they are eligible for a post-graduate degree, they are still not being given a degree. Therefore, I urge upon the Minister – of course this does not come under you – to give the same facility to NID also to award the degrees at par with IIMs. Thank you, Madam. We fully support this Bill. 28.07.2017 121 SHRI A.P. JITHENDER REDDY (MAHABUBNAGAR): Thank you, Madam Chairperson for giving me an opportunity. I, on my Party’s behalf, welcome the Indian Institutes of Management Bill. My colleague Dr. Ravindra Babu was mentioning that because of bifurcation, they have got good Central Universities and good institutions. I congratulate them. I really say good luck to them. Also, I would have been very happy if the Central Government also gives them a separate High Court. At present, there are 20 Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs). The earliest IIMs were set up in 1961 in Ahmedabad and Calcutta and the latest was established in Jammu in 2016. Being societies, IIMs are not entitled to award degrees like a university or an institution of national importance. Hence, students have been awarded post-graduate diploma and fellow programme in management. While the PG diploma in management and the fellow programme are treated as equivalent to MBAs, it has not been universally accepted as eligible degrees for enrolling into Ph.Ds. Coming to the highlights of this Bill, what I have seen, the Indian Institutes of Management Bill 2017 declares 20 existing IIMs as institutions of national importance and confers on them the power to grant degrees. The Board of Governors will be the executive body of each IIM, comprising up to 19 members. It will nominate 17 board members including eminent persons, faculty members and alumni. The remaining two members will be nominees from the Central and State Governments, respectively. The Board appoints its own Chairperson. The Board of Governors will appoint the Director of each IIM. A search committee will recommend names for the post of the Director. The Director is eligible for variable pay to be determined by the Board. Currently, the Central Government has a role in the functioning of IIMs which includes appointment of the Chairperson of their Boards, their Directors and pay to the Director. In contrast, the Bill extends greater autonomy to the Board in the performance of these functions. 28.07.2017 122 Under the Bill, the autonomy envisaged for IIMs exceed the autonomy granted to other institutions of higher education such as IITs and AIIMS. Certain recommendations of expert committees have not been addressed in the Bill. This relate to the Board having the autonomy to determine faculty pay and creation of an autonomous Standing Committee for management education under an apex regulatory body for higher education. So, all these points are welcome but the only thing what we would also request IIM was promised in the State Reorganisation Act. So, we wish that the Government sanction us an IIM also. 28.07.2017 123 SHRI M.B. RAJESH (PALAKKAD): Madam, IIMs are our best and prestigious institutions of specialized higher education. Madam, there are criticism from certain quarters that these IIMs, though the best in our country, are far below the international standards but this yardstick of international standard itself is highly complicated and problematic. So, I do not think that applying this complicated yardstick and arriving at conclusion that our IIMs are below international standards or of low quality is not very good. I just want to draw your attention to the fact that independent evaluations of research outputs including preferred articles in high quality journals published case studies and teaching notes have shown that IIMs have been improving significantly. Madam, this Bill seeks to declare the IIMs as institutions of national importance and it is good that this Bill will empower the IIMs to award degrees which they could not do in the last sixty years. One of the major objectives of this Bill is to give complete autonomy as addressed by the Minister in his introductory remarks on IIMs. Yes, academic autonomy is not a bad idea and I support the idea of academic autonomy with adequate safeguards and accountability but still there are some issues related to this concept of autonomy. Number one, who will appoint the Members of Board of Governors? Number two, when the Government is focusing on this academic autonomy and when this Bill was tabled on 9th February, 2017, the very next day, the Government did something which is completely against the spirit of this Bill. Why I am saying this? On 10th February, 2007, a day after tabling this Bill in Parliament, the Government appointed Directors to 10 IIMs. They will serve for the next five years. Madam, 14 out of 20 IIMs were working without a full time Director. I am coming from Kerala. The IIM, Kozhikode has not had a Director for over two years and the IIM, Ranchi has not had a Director for more than three-and-a-half years. So, why was the hurry? Why did you hastily appoint the Directors to the 10 IIMs immediately after tabling of this Bill? So, that raises some questions about 28.07.2017 124 the intentions of this Government and its commitment to the so called academic autonomy. The Government should have refrained from doing so and should have allowed these IIMs to appoint Directors. The IIMs are not only to be made autonomous but also to be made more inclusive, both socially and economically. I do agree with Dr. Shashi Tharoor, who made a wonderful speech here, and with many of my other colleagues who stressed on the importance of reservation in teaching posts. If you can have reservation in teaching posts in the IITs and still maintain the excellence and standards, why cannot you have reservations in the IIMs? Why are you not explicitly providing for reservation? As one of our colleagues pointed out rightly, we are busy in celebrating the 125th birth anniversary of Dr. B.R. Ambedkar. Why are you not showing the courage to make explicit provision for providing reservation in teaching posts in the IIMs? Another issue is that I would like to ask the hon. Minister whether the Government believes that this reservation and excellence cannot co-exist. Does the Government believe in that argument? Another issue is regarding making the IIMs inclusive economically. It is to be ensured that autonomy will not result in converting these IIMs into money making machines. These IIMs should not be solely guided by the commercial principle of making money. No student, who is otherwise deserving, should be denied the opportunity to study in the IIMs only because he cannot afford the cost. I request the hon. Minister to ensure that there is substantial number of merit-cum- means scholarship. I am specifically making this demand because this is not happening in many other institutions of higher learning. Take the case of IISER. What is happening there? In the IISER for Ph.D programme, the tuition fees alone have trebled from Rs.7,000 to Rs.24,000 per semester within a period of one year. This trebling from Rs.7,000 to Rs.24,000 has taken place within a period of one year. To be precise, there is a hike of 243 per cent within a period of one year. These hikes were effected even as scholarships like INSPIRE scholarships are reduced. 28.07.2017 125 HON. CHAIRPERSON : Please conclude. SHRI M.B. RAJESH : I am concluding in two minutes. The Government has cut allocations for research and science education. So, given the experience of IISER where you have trebled the tuition fee and reduced the number of scholarships, I am requesting the hon. Minister to please make sure that no student is denied the opportunity to study. HON. CHAIRPERSON: Rajesh Ji, please conclude. SHRI M.B. RAJESH : I am concluding in two minutes. HON. CHAIRPERSON: No, I am not giving two minutes. SHRI M.B. RAJESH : Madam, this is an important aspect. This is my final point. Madam Chair, I support this Bill but, of course, with these reservations. I hope the hon. Minister will address the concerns raised by me and many other hon. Members. With these words, I conclude. Thank you very much. 28.07.2017 126 SHRI DHANANJAY MAHADIK (KOLHAPUR): Thank you Madam Chair for allowing me to speak on the Indian Institutes of Management Bill, 2017. On behalf of my Party, I support this Bill. The hon. Minister, Shri Prakash Javadekar has taken initiative to make each of the 20 Indian Institutes of Management as institutes of national importance and to empower them grant degrees to students. It is really the need of the hour, as currently all the IIMs are, owing to their separate bodies, registered under the Societies Act and are not authorized to award degrees. Currently, the students admitted to Master’s programme are given a Postgraduate Diploma in Management or PDGM. Similarly, those pursuing doctoral studies are awarded the title of a ‘Fellow’ at the end of their research. Although the PG Diploma and ‘Fellow’ titles are recognized by the Association of Indian Universities and the Ministry of Human Resource Development to being equivalent to MBA and Ph.D degree, respectively, the equivalence is not universally accepted, especially for the Fellow Programme. Thus, the Bill bestows more autonomy than what the IIMs currently enjoy and aims at making the IIMs first set of institutions of national importance in which the Government will have no direct role. I would like to congratulate the hon. Minister for this initiative. Madam, Chairman, I would like to highlight some of the grey areas of the Bill, which need attention. Our hon. colleague, Shri Shashi Tharoor has already mentioned about the vacancies and the situation of faculties in our country. The Bill only has a vague enabling provision on faculty reservation. So, while the proposed law categorically states that IIMs will have to provide reservation for SC/ST and OBC students, it has a clause which only says that IIMs shall try to recruit teachers from weaker sections of society. In the Bill there is a provision of regular review of the performance of IIMs by independent agencies. However, there is no clarity regarding the performance metrics and agencies shortlisted. 28.07.2017 127 The Bill should resolve the issue of status of the Post-graduate Diploma in Management (PGDM) currently being offered by the business schools once the Bill is through. This is important since the PGDM institutions offer 75000 management graduates every year to the industry, which is 10 times that of the 20 IIMs. Of all PGDM and MBA programmes run in the country, Government institutes account for just 13 per cent of the total students enrolled. However, the Bill is highlighting only IIMs not the other institutes, which is a matter of concern. The most important aspect the Bill should address is removing the procedural bottlenecks while setting up the educational institutions. Currently, setting up an educational institute requires affiliation, approval, No Objection Certificate (NOC), permission, recognition, etc. However, the global scenario is only accreditation matters in setting up of institutes. This is a unique opportunity for the Government to bring in procedural reforms in setting up of new management institutes. Madam, the Government should facilitate practical business internship during MBA programmes with local, Indian and foreign companies for students. The curriculum should also include organisational development and behaviour courses, which are critical to deal with people and to develop soft skills in addition to the core technical courses, such as marketing, finance, operations, etc. Students should also be compelled to work together in groups with other groups so as to increase collaboration and to mimic the real world working environment during their business school programmes. Professors for business schools must be requied to produce independent research and consulting work with other companies in addition to their academic work in order to increase and improve the local business ecosystem in the country. 28.07.2017 128 Part time visiting faculty from industry must be included in the school curriculum to get more real world experience for students. A difficult entrance exam must be created for individuals to become full time MBA faculty and then must be paid well. This needs to be done to increase the prestige of professors in our country since they are often overlooked and not given respect and importance they deserve. With these words, I conclude. Thank you. 28.07.2017 129 DR. KAMBHAMPATI HARIBABU (VISAKHAPATNAM): Thank you, Madam, for giving me this opportunity to speak on this very important Bill. The main objective of this Bill is to declare the Indian Institutes of Management to be the Institutes of National Importance. The other objective is to give the power to these institutions to award MBA and Ph.D. degrees instead of Post Graduate Diploma in Management and Fellow Programmes. The other objective is to give autonomy to these institutions. I think, these two are the major objectives of this Bill. As far as autonomy of the institutions to be given by the Government is concerned, still I am not able to believe the proposal of the hon. Minister for HRD, Shri Javadekarji. Now-a-days, the human instinct is to keep all the powers in his own pocket. Even a Panchayat President is not willing to delegate his powers to the ward members, but the Union Minister for HRD is relinquishing the chairmanship of the Board of Governors and giving autonomy to those institutions. This is really a very welcome step. People talk about giving autonomy, but practically, there will be no autonomy. Here, really total autonomy is being given to these institutions and it is a very welcome step. In 1961, the IIMs were started in Kolkata and Ahmedabad. I think, it took another 12 years to start another IIM in Bangalore in 1973. Similarly, another 11 years passed to establish one IIM in Lucknow. In 1996, Indore IIM came up and in 1997, an IIM at Kozhikode came up. Six IIMs were set up between 1961 and 1997. In the 11th Plan, seven new IIMs were established in the years 2008, 2010 and 2011. In last three years of NDA rule, the Government of India has taken a decision to set up seven IIMs. Five new IIMs were started in 2015. The sixth IIM is being established at Visakhapatnam in the State of Andhra Pradesh in my constituency as per the Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Act. The latest one is established in Jammu. Seven IIMs were established during these three years. Another important aspect about establishment of these institutes is that always the Government will announce the establishment of an IIM, but they will wait for two to three years to complete the infrastructure, but the Government of 28.07.2017 130 India and the hon. Minister for HRD has taken a decision to start the classes immediately from the temporary campus. In my city of Visakhapatnam, IIM has started functioning in the premises of Andhra University and two batches have been admitted and class work is going on. This is a very good initiative taken by the Government. Madam, I would like to point out four issues about this Bill. The first issue I welcome is that the Board of Governors are being independent and five members of the Board of Governors are going to be alumni-members. I think, this is one of the very good initiatives taken as far as the formation of the Board of Governors is concerned. Social inclusion is also taken care of as SC/ST faculty members are being included in the Board of Governors. Similarly, woman members are also included. This is a socially-inclusive Board of Governors for IIMs. This is a very welcome step. I would like to foresee an anomaly. In addition to IIMs, which are being formed as societies, which are giving only diplomas, there are private institutes in the country like the prestigious ISB, Hyderabad, XLRI, MDI, SPJMR, IMT and K.G. Somaiya Institute of Management. They also give only diplomas. When IIMs start giving degrees, what will happen to these institutions? If they are not giving degrees, what will be the future of students coming out of these institutions? I think, there may be a non-level playing field between private sector institutions and the government institutions. We should be able to remove this anomaly, whether we force them to be affiliated to universities or we compel them to come under AICTE regulations. I think, already those institutions have approached the Supreme Court on the ambit of AICTE being thrusted upon them. Madam, I foresee another advantage as a result of this Bill. When the IIMs are being given autonomy, IIMs will have the flexibility of establishing their campuses abroad in other countries. 28.07.2017 131 15.00 hours If they establish campuses abroad, then the mutual collaboration with world-class institutions will be possible and it will benefit our institutions also. Another issue is about the Financing Agency. So many institutions have come up for which the infrastructure has to be built-up. I have heard that the Government of India is thinking about forming a Financing Agency for higher education in collaboration with Canara Bank and other banks. I would request the Government of India and the hon. Minister to expedite this process of creating a Financing Agency so as to complete the basic infrastructure for these institutions. I would like to suggest that every IIM should have an Incubation Centre to encourage the students coming up with bright ideas to become entrepreneurs. Incubation Centres should be collaborated with venture funds to finance the good ideas coming out of the students. Lastly, I would like to request the hon. Minister and thank him. After the bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh, the Ministry of HRD was very kind enough to already sanction five institutes, namely, IIT at Tirupati, IISER at Tirupati, NIT at Tadepalligudem, IIIT in Kurnool and IIM at Visakhapatnam. It is a very welcome step. I thank the hon. Minister for helping Andhra Pradesh. Still, there are two institutions to come up as per the Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Act, namely, establishment of Tribal University and establishment of Central University that are pending. I would request the hon. Minister to take the decision at the earliest and establish those two Universities also in the State of Andhra Pradesh and start the admissions from the next academic year itself. I will be very much happy, and the people of Andhra Pradesh will be thankful to the Government of India, the NDA Government led by Shri Narendra Modi. Thank you very much. 28.07.2017 132 SHRI SIRAJUDDIN AJMAL (BARPETA): Respected Madam, thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to speak on IIM (Amendment) Bill, 2017. I would like to congratulate the hon. HRD Minister, Shri Prakash Javadekar ji, for introducing and getting passed various Bills related to higher education and institutions like IIT, NIT and now IIM related Bills. In addition to that, the Indian Institute of Information Technology (Amendment) Bill is also to be introduced soon. These are all laudable efforts, and I really appreciate these efforts of the hon. Minister. 15.03 hours (Shri Hukmdeo Narayan Yadav in the Chair) I appreciate the Government for introducing the IIM Bill, 2017, which will address a long pending demand of the academia to give degree-granting power to the IIMs and also give them academic freedom in pursuit of excellence. I would like to give my comments on the Bill very briefly. I am happy to note that the new Bill will address most of the autonomy-related concerns of IIM fraternity and it will make each of the 20 IIMs an institute of national importance. It is good to note that the institutes will be managed by an independent Board and each will have a Chairperson and Director, which will be selected by the Board instead of the Government. The terms and conditions of appointment of the Board that are proposed are determined by the institutions themselves. It is very good. A new Clause 17 -- institution of inquiry -- has been inserted where the Board can initiate an inquiry against the institute, which has not been functioning as per the provision and regulation of the Act. This need to be thought in-depth and specific grounds must be enunciated in advance so that no arbitrariness creeps in. While supporting the Bill, I have got five suggestions. Firstly, IIMs were established to help the nation and help the country in managing its resources. However, in the rat race for bigger salary package and promotion of ‘IIM’ brand based on such salary and placement figure has diverted the original intention of 28.07.2017 133 setting up the IIMs. It was not by chance that these were called ‘Indian Institutes of Management’ and not ‘Indian Institutes of Business’. I think the new Bill should incorporate some provisions where IIMs will be engaged as a management think tank for the local governments. IIMs can also be used as hubs to train, plan, monitor and help management of social service initiatives. Secondly, in the same spirit, there must be a provision for providing Extension Services by IIMs. Extension Services of IIMs should be in a partnership mode. IIMs with State, Central, and local Government institutions have to provide management knowledge and expertise for larger public interest. Beyond the 'paid consultancy' mode that IIMs might be providing at present, the Bil1 should stipulate that a formal IIM Extension Service is opened as al1 IIMs through which faculty members, educators, administrative staff, and volunteers, all associated with an IIM in a particular State wil1 provide solutions for real life and local issues. Thirdly, education and training opportunities of an IIM which are now limited to a select few through CAT admission or through highly priced Management Development Programs (MDPs). It is high time that recognizing the ever-changing face of education, educators, and students, IIMs should launch outreach education services. This wil1 redefine the IIMs as gateways to the local communities, reaching out to learners in an ever-expanding service area. Sir, IIM Outreach Centres should provide them a platform to try innovative experimental educational ideas and build templates of how these programs are offered, partnerships are formed, and quality programming and services are delivered. IIM community outreach 28.07.2017 134 services should be incorporated as a specific provision in the Bil1 so that IIMs are geared to provide a wide array of specialized educational opportunities including capacity building enrichment opportunities critical to young students in the surrounding communities, management training customized to meet the needs of workers in nearby businesses, striving to compete in the high-tech work place, and showcasing of the educational talent and expertise of IIM's faculty and students through distance education, integration of academic services, and research and development of cutting-edge programmmg. The absence of Indian universities among the top five ranking institutions of the world is often highlighted as a criticism of our high education institutions. In case of IIMs the Government spends a large amount of tax payers' money to build them but the research output in terms of publication and patents is minimal. The positions of Research Professors should be created so that they devote exclusively on research; at least five per cent of them should handle research work. Fifthly, many of the IIMs raised concerns about their 'autonomy' very strongly. … (Interruptions) Before I conclude my speech, I would like to bring to the notice of this august House that it is very unfortunate that there is no IIM in Assam as well as in most of the North-East except one in Shillong established in 2007, ten years back. Sir, Assam has been demanding the establishment of IIM at public level as well as at the Government level but 28.07.2017 135 unfortunately the request is still pending. Assam is one of the most educationally backward States in the country. One of the main reasons is lack of educational opportunity and lack of educational institutions. … (Interruptions) I would like to request hon. Minister to kindly propose the establishment of IIM in Assam particularly at Barpeta. With these words, I wind up my speech. 28.07.2017 136 bÉì. 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I rise to support the Bill. My Party the Sikkim Democratic Front Party supports this Bill fully. Through you, Sir, we would like to congratulate the hon. Minister and the NDA Government for bringing in this historic Bill. First of all, let me thank the hon. Minister on behalf of the pan-IIM community. This is a community, a huge community, of alumni all across the world, all across India. Since I am the only representative of the IIMs in Parliament, I find this a very historic and an opportune time to be speaking on the granting of autonomy to the IIMs. I would like to just start by saying, why is the IIM such an important institution; why is it that 20 IIMs today are through this Bill being granted the kind of importance as institutions of national importance? It is because there is a brand association of the IIMs. Just like the IITs have a brand association, the IIMs is a brand which is recognized the world over. It is on account of institutions which have been built on solid foundations like the IIM Ahmedabad, through which I had graduated way back in 1978. This is an institution which is built on solid foundation of teaching, of their research, and of their consulting. Through the process of consulting and through the process of teaching they were able to impart cutting edge thinking into the young minds that go through these IIMs. All the speakers from different parties have welcomed this Bill. Sir, this Bill will be the harbinger for the next generation of IIMs that will be built, of IITs that will be built. And perhaps, as many across the board have stated, many other institutions under government control can also be given the freedom. I would like to just say that in the case of IIM Ahmedabad, there has been a lot of concern expressed today regarding how teaching can be made to service the rural people. Why should IIMs be such an elitist organization that only then we think of the Nooyis of the world or Raghuram Rajan’s of the world. There are 28.07.2017 139 several examples of people coming out of IIMs who have gone into different streams, have become entrepreneurs, have now started giving back through building of angel funds. Today if you see, some of the biggest angel funds within the country are actually directed and managed by the IIM alumni. I would also like to refer to the Jawaja Experiment of Ravi J. Matthai, the first full-time Director who was brought into IIM Ahmedabad by none other than Dr. Vikram Sarabhai in 1965. He created the first institutional mechanism in which a Director would be there only for one term of six years. He felt that a Director should not stay for more. He felt that it was the faculty who would actually drive these institutions. The Jawaja experiment which was carried out in a remote part of Rajasthan led to the formation of the Institute of Rural Management at Anand. So, this is the kind of experiments in rural areas that have been done and this is just one of the examples. Let me also talk about the collaborations. One of our friends here talked about incubation centres. I recently visited the Indian Institute of Management, Calcutta to see their incubation centre and they have one of the top class incubation centres which has been established there and which is actually giving fillip to start-ups in the State of West Bengal, Odisha and the entire Northeast of India. I would again like to state that across the world, there are the MITs, the Harvards and the Ivy League institutions. You have given the Indian Institutes of Management the autonomy that they will be able to propel themselves forward in this direction. Since I am in touch with the Pan-IIM Alumnis Association, we assure you that through collaboration and research, we will take brand IIM to the rest of the world and indeed to the rest of India as well. There will be a lot of reservation from people and it has already been expressed. But there is ample 28.07.2017 140 evidence to show that there will be innovative means by which no student who is worthy of an IIM would be left behind. With these words, I would again thank you for bringing this wonderful exercise in liberalizing not only the Indian Institutes of Management but also acting as a harbinger that the entire higher education ecosystem would get this kind of a fillip as well as the kind of inspiration as to how to propel themselves in future. 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MOHAMMAD BASHEER (PONNANI): Sir, this is a most welcome legislation which seeks to declare 20 existing IIMs as institutions of national importance. Sir, another progressive part of this legislation is that the Board of Governors comprising upto 19 members will appoint the Director of the institution. We all know, Sir, that we had done an experiment on the engineering side earlier. The then RECs were declared as NITs. This has really resulted in improving the standards of education and that was a bold experiment. I hope that the attempt made here will also be successful. The power of the Academic Council has been categorically defined here. Formation of a Coordination Forum giving due representation to different IIMs has also been properly defined in this Bill. Yesterday, I was closely listening to the hon. Minister’s very brief speech. In that speech I could see his vision which is to make our IIMs high quality institutions. He was talking about giving them autonomy also. I hope that his dream will become a reality and his wonderful ideas are translated into action. The number of members comprising the Board of Governors has been reduced to 19. In some IIMs it is 23 but the number has been reduced. Similarly, the representation of the Government in the Board has also been reduced. That is also a most significant recommendation. I would like to say only one thing. ®ºÉɪÉxÉ +ÉÉè® =´ÉÇ®BÉE àÉÆjÉÉÒ iÉlÉÉ ºÉƺÉnÉÒªÉ BÉEɪÉÇ àÉÆjÉÉÒ (gÉÉÒ +ÉxÉxiÉBÉÖEàÉÉ®): ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ àÉcÉänªÉ, VÉ¤É iÉBÉE <ºÉ ÉÊ´ÉvÉɪÉÉÒ BÉEɪÉÇ BÉEÉ ºÉàÉÉ{ÉxÉ xÉ cÉä VÉÉA, iÉ¤É iÉBÉE BÉEä ÉÊãÉA <ºÉBÉEÉ ºÉàÉªÉ ¤ÉfÃɪÉÉ VÉÉA* <ºÉBÉEä ¤ÉÉn MÉè®-ºÉ®BÉEÉ®ÉÒ ÉÊ´ÉvÉäªÉBÉE ÉÊãɪÉÉ VÉÉA* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ : ªÉÉÊn ºÉnxÉ BÉEÉÒ ºÉcàÉÉÊiÉ cÉä, iÉÉä <ºÉ ÉʤÉãÉ BÉEä {ÉÉºÉ cÉäxÉä iÉBÉE <ºÉBÉEÉ ºÉàÉªÉ ¤ÉfÃɪÉÉ VÉÉA* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉnºªÉMÉhÉ : ºÉcàÉÉÊiÉ cè* SHRI E.T. MOHAMMAD BASHEER : I must congratulate the hon. Minister for a particular thing, that is, he is showing a good model. The Government is not 28.07.2017 144 interfering in appointing the head of the institution. It is with the Board of Governors. I want to say that this is a good signal. It is because we had a lot of controversies in several universities, like the Indian Institute of Advanced Studies, IIT Mumbai, NCERT Directorship, Vice-Chancellors of Banaras Hindu University, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Indian Council of Historical Research, Indian Council of Cultural Relations, National Book Trust and such other institutes. Now, the Government is not going to interfere in that way. That is a good signal. I specially congratulate you for that. Sir, what exactly is the analysis of our IIMs. We are having a very powerful situation because this century is knowledge-driven. This society is knowledge- driven. As far as India is concerned, we are having more chances than any other country in the world to get employment in the market. Of course, that strength is there. Similarly, the medium of instruction in higher learning, that is, English, is also a favourable situation for us. As to what exactly is our weakness, we have to realize this. We all know that this is internationalization of education. This era is that of internationalization of education. What we have to do to make all our institutions match up with the world standard? What is wrong with us? We have no exposure to R&D institution and industries. The linkage with industries and linkage with R&D institutions is the need of the hour. Sir, I would like to say only one thing in the end that is with regard to the reservation. The Sachar Committee is known as the Magna Carta of the minorities in the country. They have evaluated as to what is the reason for the backwardness of the minorities. In that case, they have also observed that in the higher education institutions such as IIT, IIM and the Central University, the representation of the minorities is negligible. That is to be corrected. I hope that the hon. Minister will show boldness in this respect. When we talk about inclusive development, these kinds of issues will have to be addressed properly. With these few words, I once again congratulate the hon. Minister for taking such a bold initiative. Thank you very much. 28.07.2017 145 SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): Thank you very much hon. Chairperson for giving me this opportunity to take part in this discussion on the Indian Institutes of Management Bill, 2017. Sir, I also take this opportunity to congratulate the hon. Minister for bringing a good Bill to protect the academic standards in our Indian Institutes of Managements in the country. The sole purpose of this Bill is to give effect to a statutory recognition and also to give autonomous status to the higher educational institutions in the country. The main concern of the higher education scenario in the country is regarding the quality of higher education. Definitely the House has to discuss about the quality of education which is being imparted in our country. That is a major concern which the academic field is now facing. In the period of LPG – Liberalisation, Privatisation and Globalisation – we have to compete with the global standards, just like the academic institutions in the western world. We know that thousands and lakhs of students of our country are going abroad for having better quality higher education. Sir, if we try, and take initiatives, and make earnest efforts, definitely, India can be the best destination for higher education or quality education. My suggestion for that is that the Government have to strive or endeavour in such a way that India becomes the best destination for having higher education and quality education. That is the first point which I would like to make. Sir, my second point is my reasonable apprehension. Last time also when we took part in the discussion on the Bill regarding private partnership in IIMs, I had expressed the same apprehension. Here also, just go through the Clause 9(2), which says “every institute shall strive to raise funds for self-sufficiency and sustainability.” After seven years, every Institute shall have its own capacity and resources to run the Institute. As regards fees determination, it is stated in Clause 7(i). I am not going to read it because of paucity of time. There also it has been specifically stated that 28.07.2017 146 the fees should be as per the whims and fancies of the Institute concerned. It would be decided by the Institute concerned. Now after seven years, what would be the fate of the poor students belonging to the rural areas who would not be able to pay the higher fees? This is the apprehension which I would like to express. I would urge upon the hon. Minister to take this aspect into consideration because higher fees means that the poor and common students will be denied the right to have access to higher educational institutions like Indian Institutes of Management in our country. That should be taken care of. Otherwise, the poor, down trodden and rural students will be denied the opportunity to have higher and quality education in the country. This is the second point which I wanted to make regarding Clause 7(i) and also regarding Clause 9(2) of the Bill. Thirdly, last time also I had appealed to the hon. Minister regarding governance of the Indian Institutes of Management in the country. By virtue of this Bill, we are providing the statutory status to 20 IIMs in the country which is a good thing and I fully agree with this. The hon. Minister may kindly see that he has to come again to Parliament to have an amendment. If you want to avoid that fait accompli in future, please consider my suggestion and amendment in this regard. As per Clause 10, the Board of Governors of each Institute shall be the principal executive body of the Institute. The Board of each Institute shall consist of the following members. But it is practically not possible to constitute a Board. Who is appointing the Chairperson? A Chairperson shall be appointed by the Board but where is the Board? There is no Board. Secondly, there will be one nominee of the Central Government and one nominee of the State Government. Only two persons are there. Who are the other persons? Four eminent persons shall be appointed by the Board. Where is the Board? Two members from the faculty of respective Institutes shall be nominated by the Board. But there is no Board. One person from Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes shall be appointed by the Board and five persons to be co-opted by the Board. 28.07.2017 147 You kindly understand my point. The governing body or the Board of Governors is the executive body of the Institute and the Board will consist of the following: Chairperson nominated or appointed by the Board. Except the Central Government representative and the State Government representative, all other representatives are being nominated by the Board. Then what is the constitution of the Board? This is a technical issue. How do you constitute a Board by virtue of Clause 10 since there is no Board? So, at least, convince this House as to how this Board is going to be constituted. As regards receiving donations and gifts from foreign countries, it has to be restricted and some condition should be there. SHRI PRAKASH JAVADEKAR: FCRA is there. SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : All right. FCRA is there. I will withdraw my amendment at the time of clause-by-clause consideration. Finally, regarding land, suppose the State Government or the Central Government is providing land for the establishment of an Indian Institute of Management. If the Board or the Institute wants to dispose of the land, the provision is that the permission of the Central Government is required. Suppose the State Government is providing the land without any cost for the establishment of an Institute, definitely the approval of the State Government should also be obtained. Otherwise, it will be an injustice to the State Government. So kindly look into the amendments which I have moved. With these words, I support this Bill and congratulate the hon. Minister, Shri Prakash Javadekar ji, for taking such an initiative. 28.07.2017 148 SHRI HARISH MEENA (DAUSA): Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak on this important Bill. First of all, I would like to thank the hon. Minister for bringing this progressive and innovative Bill. This was the need of the hour. It is a welcome Bill. In keeping with the change in the global scenario and the educational standards and educational requirement, this Bill has been brought forward. This is the most opportune time. What does this Bill proposes to do? This Bill proposes to declare all the 20 existing Indian Institutes of Management as institutions of national importance and confers on them the powers to grant degrees. Apart from this, the Bill also proposes to give functional and financial autonomy to these educational institutions. The institutes should be able to decide their own curriculum, manage their own funds and administration and this is a progressive step. Other than this, the Government also proposes to reduce the size of the Board, earlier it was 28 and now it has been brought down to 19. This is a welcome step because smaller the group, easier and faster it is to take decisions. Sir, I would like the hon. Minister to consider a few suggestions. Firstly, the two Members to be appointed by the Government, one has to be a nominee of the Central Government and one of the State Government. Amongst these Members, the Government may please ensure that they are from academic background with academic excellence and should not be like Government nominees like a Deputy Secretary or a Joint Secretary. This would then be an injustice to the educational institution because these are institutes of educational importance and excellence. This aspect should be taken care o. Apart from this, these are supposed to be institutions of educational excellence. They should not be centers of educational excellence in isolation. They should have extension centers in rural areas and backward areas and isolated areas. I come from a backward constituency, namely Dausa in the State of Rajasthan. The Government can try out an experiment there, otherwise excellence will remain confined to a few urban areas and a few rich people. 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I am very glad that more or less, for the first time, institutional autonomy in an educational institution, is going to be there. It will be away from the Government influences, political influences and red-tapism. Sir, various stalwarts of this august House have already spoken on this Bill. Due to paucity of time, I would be very brief in my speech. It is very good to have autonomy of such institutions. But I am not sure whether total autonomy is very good for any of the institutions or a person even. I would only express some apprehensions that I have in my mind about this Bill. As many of my colleagues have already spoken, the formation of the Board itself is fallacious. So, how can the Board appoint the persons? In case some illegality, irregularity, corruption or nepotism goes on in this Board, how would the Board be accountable? Who is going to look after it? This is my first apprehension. As Dr. Shashi Tharoor and some other colleagues have said, what about the disparity between the educational systems, at least, in these two not to say about the private ones? How will all these 20 institutes be upgraded and taken as institutes of national importance? The educational parity should be there. How are we going to do it? I think, only Coordination Forum cannot do it. Everybody has said about the students’ fees. That is also my apprehension. Who is going to decide the fee structure? The Bill says that the Board will be responsible for the fee structure. But, the contribution of the Central Government or whatever budget is there, that will be decided by the Board. That means, the budget should not be the same for all 20 institutes and the fee structure will also be different in all these institutes whereas the entrance exam will be same for all. I would like to know as to who will decide that which student will go to which 28.07.2017 157 college. That is another apprehension. Admission of students shall be based on their performance. I would like to have some clarification on that. These are some of my points which I would like to mention here. 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In the year 2000, I was appointed in the Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s Government as Chairman of Working Group on IT for Masses. We went to MIT to negotiate MIT Media Lab Asia project. When I returned, Atal ji asked me: “What is that we are importing?” I said, “Sir, we are importing the freedom of research, culture of research, freedom of ideas, freedom of curriculum, inter- disciplinary studies, experimentation and freedom of governance.” That is what freedom is all about. Now, we have nothing to import. nÖÉÊxɪÉÉ näJÉäMÉÉÒ ÉÊBÉE +ÉÉ<Ç.+ÉÉ<Ç.AàÉ. VÉèºÉÉÒ ºÉƺlÉÉ+ÉÉäÆ BÉEÉä ºÉcÉÒ àÉÉjÉÉ àÉå º´ÉɪÉkÉiÉÉ näBÉE® <ºÉ nä¶É xÉä ABÉE xɪÉÉÒ {ÉcãÉ BÉEÉÒ cè, ãÉÉäMÉ <ºÉBÉEÉ WÉ°ô® º´ÉÉMÉiÉ BÉE®åMÉä, ªÉc ÉÊxÉÉζSÉiÉ cè* So, we are actually giving real freedom to our institutes. As I said earlier, we must trust our best brains; we must trust our best institutes. They have proved – and you have also rightly said, Sir – that over so many years IIM ecosystem, IIM culture and institutional character have been on the display that they are institutes of excellence. When they are institutes of excellence, we must accord them the status of institutes of national importance. That is so correct. ¤ÉcÖiÉ ãÉÉäMÉÉå xÉä BÉEcÉ ÉÊBÉE +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä {ÉÉ´É® UÉä½ nÉÒ, +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä bäãÉÉÒMÉä] ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ* ãÉÉäMÉ BÉÖEºÉÉÔ xÉcÉÓ UÉä½iÉä, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ àÉä®É º´É£ÉÉ´É lÉÉä½É +ÉãÉMÉ cè* àÉé {ɪÉÉÇ´É®hÉ àÉÆjÉÉãÉªÉ àÉå lÉÉ* When I was working as Minister 28.07.2017 161 of Environment, there were so many cases coming to me. Every day, I used to get these many files regarding one hectare forest diversion, two hectares forest diversion for road, transmission line, rail line, drinking water canal and irrigation canal. They were simple things, public utility things but for that diversion also, for one or two hectares also, files used to come to the Central Minister. I decided that we will do away with this. We established 10 regional centres/offices and we gave participation to the States also into that. It is because, States were just applicants otherwise. We said that States are also a part of the process. ºÉ¤ÉBÉEÉ ºÉÉlÉ ºÉ¤ÉBÉEÉ ÉÊ´ÉBÉEɺÉ* So, for this, we called States also to make them participants. I delegated all my powers as a Minister to those ten committees. There were experts also. One of my senior officers, for the last three-four days when we were taking that decision, used to come and say, Sir, what you are doing. Then will we not have any file? càÉÉ®ä {ÉÉºÉ BÉEÉä<Ç {ÉEÉ<ãÉ +ÉÉAMÉÉÒ cÉÒ xÉcÉÓ* àÉéxÉä BÉEcÉ ÉÊBÉE àÉÖZÉä {ÉEÉ<ãÉ +ÉÉxÉä ºÉä àÉiÉãÉ¤É xÉcÉÓ cè, àÉÖZÉä BÉEÉàÉ cÉäxÉä ºÉä àÉiÉãÉ¤É cè +ÉÉè® <ºÉÉÊãÉA càÉ <ºÉä BÉE®åMÉä* We did it with determination. And, that decentralisation has actually brought down the average time period for granting environmental clearance from 600 days to 180 days. It was with that one single basic policy decision. So, I believe that we must +ÉÉÉÊJÉ® càÉ BÉDªÉÉ ãÉäBÉE® VÉÉiÉä cé? BÉÖEU xÉcÉÓ* ºÉÉä, {ÉÉ´É® UÉä½xÉÉ +ÉɺÉÉxÉ cÉäiÉÉ cè, àÉxÉ +ÉMÉ® ´ÉèºÉÉ cè iÉÉä* <ºÉÉÊãÉA àÉÖZÉä ãÉMÉiÉÉ cè ÉÊBÉE they are the best guardians and we are experimenting. As I said, there will be a parliamentary accountability. {ÉÉÉÌãɪÉÉàÉå]®ÉÒ ABÉEÉ=Æ]èÉΤãÉ]ÉÒ cè* But regarding the Minister’s power, I told all the IIM Directors, when we met in Shillong seven or eight months ago, now there is a Bill, we are ready and that will be passed by Parliament unanimously; and, therefore, this is our last meeting with me as Chairman. So, next time, if you call me for tea, I will come. Otherwise, I said all the best. So, I have already done that. Setting the system is the issue. We must set the system in order and then, things role out automatically. nÖÉÊxɪÉÉ àÉå cÉ´ÉÇbÇ, BÉEèÉÎà¥ÉWÉ, AàÉ.+ÉÉ<Ç.]ÉÒ. +ÉÉè® ¤ÉÉBÉEÉÒ ºÉƺlÉÉxÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ +ÉSUä ºÉƺlÉÉxÉ cé* How did they become world class? Thousands of years ago, if there 28.07.2017 162 would have been the ranking, Nalanda, Takshashila and the Indian Universities would have been first, second, third, fourth and all ranking would have been with the Indian Universities. But we lost that. Now, today, other universities have become famous because they are independent, they are free, they are autonomous and that is the basic strength of educational institutes to survive and flourish. I am very sure, with this historic decision in which we are participating today, we will really make a change and our IIMs will go to the next level and the whole education sector will aspire to be more quality oriented. It is because not only this, we are also reforming the UGC; we are reforming the AICTE regulators. The whole reform is about, you achieve quality and you will get more freedom. It is a graded autonomy for other higher educational institutes also. So, that is the direction in which they want to go. Regarding research, what was happening earlier? It is because the fellowships of IIMs were not regarded by many as Ph.Ds and that was the problem and therefore, there were less students for Ph.Ds to become Fellows. They used to go after doing Diploma here. They used to go to foreign countries and do research. Now the research will be here. That is the basic game. The research management is very important because it is a complex world. It is a changing world and we will get that research now based in India, done in India and used in India and world over also. So, I can say now, because today’s debate is being seen by all the IIMs all over the country and all those who are listening and who are interested in this kind of higher education autonomy, now it is yours. We believe in you. It is yours and we believe in you. That is how, let us make a definitive change. That is the basic thing. And, this is the vision of Prime Minister Narendra Modi Ji. He wants to make a difference and give real autonomy to the higher educational quality institutes so that they flourish and reach to their optimum. That is the vision with which this Government is working. Now, I will come to the issues. Yes, people talked about Jawaharalal Nehru Ji, Indira Ji. Here our Prime Minister, Narendra Modi Ji has umpteen times said 28.07.2017 163 that for the last seventy years, we were not ruling. Every party has ruled and everybody has done something good. So, it is a contribution of everybody. We never denied any such thing. So, we are not mean-minded. There are two or three main issues. My friend Dr. Shashi Tharoor asked what happened to HEFA which was hyped. No, it is not hyped and it is on the ground and the Higher Education Finance Agency has started functioning. The first meeting was also done. Now, within one month you will have the first application cleared and also the first loan granted. So that is the beginning of the Higher Education Finance Agency which will put in nearly three billion dollars in the next three years into the higher education sector to essentially upgrade and create new world class research infrastructure. That is the aim with which the Higher Education Finance Agency will be working. There are many number of quality initiatives which this Government has taken. RUSA helps. We give Rs.2 crore to good colleges and Rs.20 crore to good universities. So we have invested in RUSA more than Rs.4,000 crore, and it has resulted in good development of infrastructure. TEQIP, Technical Education Quality Improvement Progamme, has three phases. Now the third phase is all about hilly States, North-Eastern States, Andaman and the so-called earlier BIMARU States. Now they are good progressing States. Odisha, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and West Bengal—all these States will now get the benefit of TEQIP. It is a Rs.2,800 crore worth programme. IMPRINT is a research initiative in which we ask proposals in 10 domain areas from all the professionals, working people, students, teachers and faculties from everywhere. And, we received 1500 proposals. Sir, 200 were finalised. The Government is going to give Rs.600 crore and it has already started rolling out, and the research is on. Uchhatar Avishkar Yojana is relating to industry-academia interaction. Many people talked about incubation centres. Yes, incubation centre are there. There are very good centres in the IIMs, IITs and in all these higher learning 28.07.2017 164 institutes. We have also started one proposal of Gyan where 600 professors from 58 countries had come last year and each one conducted a course here by remaining here for 2-3 weeks. That has benefited hugely the students and the teachers. There was more interaction. This year 800 foreign professors from 60 countries are coming here. This type of exchange was needed, and that is happening. We are recording it also. These courses will be available on SWAYAM also. That will be always there. So these good courses will not only be limited to one institute but also will be available to all. So there are many number of initiatives of quality improvement. Therefore, we aspire for that. Also, new guidelines will be issued. The Cabinet will soon take a decision about the world class universities. Sir, 10 institutes in public sector and 10 in private sector will be today called as institutes of eminence but after a certain time we aspire that in a decade they will acquire the ranking of the first 200. They will come into that bracket of the first 200 and then they will also go up in the first 100. So that is how we are going ahead. ABÉE nÚºÉ®É àÉci´É{ÉÚhÉÇ <¶ªÉÚ =~ɪÉÉ MɪÉÉ cè ÉÊBÉE {ÉEèBÉEã]ÉÒ BÉEÉ BÉDªÉÉ cè? Yes, faculty is an issue. But that is all over. We have to inculcate teacher-ship also. We have started right from that point. Sir, you are a good professor yourself. There are 60 professors and teachers in Parliament and we must be proud of that. Last year I felicitated on Guru Purnima and this year also Guru Purnima was on a Sunday and there was no Parliament Session. So I felicitated our former President, Pranabda. àÉéxÉä MÉÖ°ô |ÉhÉÉàÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ* It is because I believe that this is what the Parliament is all about. Sir, these 60 are our strength. So faculty is an issue. So we have to imbibe and inculcate the teacher-ship. Further, more importantly, regarding vacancies in the IIM, Ahmedabad, the Governing Chairman of the Board, Kumaramangalam Birla called me last week. They have found out so many good people. They want to recruit somebody as the Director of IIM-A. So they were asking since today’s pay structure is very limited 28.07.2017 165 and, therefore, if we want to give variable package, we are not allowed by the present Act. I said, ‘Just wait for one week. I am very sure that Parliament will pass this Bill. After passing of this Bill, you will get the freedom to give variable packages.’ So, that is the way we want to attract good faculties. We are also attracting bestest of the best Indian researchers, who are doing research work in foreign countries. Last fortnight I was at Indian Institute of Science, Bengaluru (IISc), where I met with three very talented Indian youngsters, who had done research in foreign countries at very good offers, have come back to India to work in IISc. I talked to them for one hour as to why this is happening. That is why I believe that this is the new trend. People want to come back. They want to serve the country. As there will be more and more people returning, there will be more and more people available as faculties. This is how we are going ahead and the faculty issue will be done away with. Then, Dr. Shashi Tharoor asked about the expenditure. I would like to inform the House that in 2013-14, on this issue the expenditure was Rs.284 crore; in 2014-15, it was Rs.320 crore; in 2015-16, it was Rs.460 crore; in 2016-17, it was Rs.722 crore and in 2017-18, it is going to be 1030 crore. This is the progression of the expenditure, which is not getting reduced. Then, you said that Indian Institute of Management, Calcutta (IIM-C) is a brand. That is what exactly the amendment is about. When the Bill was drafted, the draft Bill was about IIM-Calcutta. In the meanwhile, Calcutta has been changed to Kolkata. Now, we will be saying it, again with the original name, that is, IIM-C. That is what the amendment is. There was a little confusion about it. But this is what we are bringing in and I hope you will be happy. You also mentioned that there are 14 institutes which do not have appointed directors. No, it is not so. There are only four institutes where the post is vacant. At Bodh Gaya institute, the person selected for the post did not join the institute. The proposals in respect of Kozhikode and Jammu institutes are at an advanced stage. In respect of Amritsar, the Search and Selection Committee is working on it. 28.07.2017 166 This is being addressed. So, we cannot say both the things at the same time. nÉäxÉÉå iÉ®{ÉE ºÉä BÉEèºÉä ¤ÉÉäãÉåMÉä ÉÊBÉE bɪɮäBÉD]ºÉÇ xÉcÉÓ cé +ÉÉè® bɪɮäBÉD]ºÉÇ A{´ÉÉ<Æ] BÉE®xÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA, ´ÉcÉÒ iÉÉä càÉ BÉE® ®cä cé* Then, reservation has been a major issue. There is also one more issue about fee. After these two issues, I will conclude my speech. So far as fee is concerned, let me be very clear that no merit student or a student who is eligible for admission will be denied education anywhere. That is the affirmative action, which the Government has promised. The Government has very well taken care of that. BÉEÉä<Ç £ÉÉÒ UÉjÉ, ÉÊVɺÉBÉEÉä MÉÖhÉ´ÉkÉÉ BÉEä +ÉÉvÉÉ® {É® |É´Éä¶É ÉÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ, +ÉMÉ® ´Éc {ÉEÉÒºÉ xÉcÉÓ nä ºÉBÉEiÉÉ cè, MÉ®ÉÒ¤É cè, <ºÉ BÉEÉ®hÉ ´Éc ÉʶÉFÉÉ ºÉä ´ÉÆÉÊSÉiÉ xÉcÉÓ cÉäMÉÉ* <ºÉBÉEÉÒ BªÉ´ÉºlÉÉ càÉ ºÉÖÉÊxÉÉζSÉiÉ BÉE®åMÉä* <ºÉàÉå iÉÉÒxÉ-SÉÉ® |ÉBÉEÉ® cé* ABÉE iÉÉä ºBÉEÉìãÉ®ÉʶÉ{É cè, àÉäÉÊ®]-BÉEàÉ-àÉÉ ºBÉEÉìãÉ®ÉʶÉ{É +ÉÉ<Ç+ÉÉ<ÇAàÉ àÉå +ÉÉVÉ £ÉÉÒ cè* VÉÉä £ÉÉÒ MÉ®ÉÒ¤É º]Úbå]弃 cé, =xÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA ªÉc cÉäiÉÉÒ cè* +ÉxÉÇ BcÉ<ãÉ ªÉÚ ãÉxÉÇ ºBÉEÉÒàÉ £ÉÉÒ cÉäiÉÉÒ cè* AVÉÖBÉEä¶ÉxÉ ãÉÉäxÉ £ÉÉÒ ¤ÉcÖiÉ àÉÉjÉÉ àÉå ÉÊàÉãÉiÉä cé* +ÉÉVÉ ªÉä ºÉÉ®ä SÉãÉ ®cä cé, ´Éc <ºÉÉÊãÉA cè, BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE +É{ÉxÉä {ÉèBÉEäVÉäVÉ ºÉä ´Éä ®ÉÒ-{Éä £ÉÉÒ BÉE® ºÉBÉEiÉä cé* This is how things will continue. We will ensure that no genuine student loses the chance of getting higher education because he does not have money. ªÉc xÉcÉÓ cÉäMÉÉ* +É¤É VÉcÉÆ iÉBÉE ÉÊ®VÉ´Éæ¶ÉxÉ BÉEÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ cè, UÉjÉÉå BÉEÉ ÉÊ®VÉ´Éæ¶ÉxÉ iÉÉä cè cÉÒ* Only last week we have issued a specific direction in terms of reservation. I hope that this would be the last direction because after the Bill is passed, we are not going to issue any direction. They will be done at their own. But what direction we have issued is very important. We have said that we must take positive and affirmative action to fill up SC/ST and other reserved vacancies of faculties. That is very important. We must make positive efforts. We have lined up five to ten methods of how we can do it. It may be a walk-in interview type of thing. It may be a 24-hour advertisement on display. If you need any affirmative action, you can do it. If you want to prepare somebody, you can do it. But there is also a problem. The best of the best Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe students get so many offers elsewhere also. So, they also compare packages. Naturally, anybody will do. Now, with this flexibility getting in, I think, more and more such students also will join as faculty because àÉé càÉä¶ÉÉ ºÉä àÉÉxÉiÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE ¤ÉÖÉÊràÉkÉÉ ÉÊBÉEºÉÉÒ VÉÉÉÊiÉ BÉEÉÒ ÉʴɮɺÉiÉ xÉcÉÓ cÉäiÉÉÒ cè, 28.07.2017 167 ¤ÉÖÉÊràÉkÉÉ ºÉ£ÉÉÒ BÉEä {ÉÉºÉ cÉäiÉÉÒ cè, <Ƕ´É®-+ÉããÉÉ VÉÉä £ÉÉÒ +ÉÉ{É àÉÉxÉiÉä cÉä, ´Éc ÉÊBÉEºÉÉÒ BÉEÉä BÉEàÉ xÉcÉÓ BÉE®iÉÉ, VÉÉä £ÉÉÒ ¤ÉÖÉÊr ÉÊàÉãÉÉÒ cè =ºÉBÉEä +ÉÉvÉÉ® {É® ´Éä BÉE®åMÉä +ÉÉè® ¤ÉcÖiÉ ãÉÉäMÉ +ÉÉMÉä +ÉÉ ®cä cé* We will have the best of things. 28.07.2017 168 àÉé ABÉE =ããÉäJÉ BÉE®xÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE càÉ ABÉE bÉ SHRI DEEPENDER SINGH HOODA : What about its tenure? SHRI PRAKASH JAVADEKAR : I will just confirm it and I will get back to you. … (Interruptions) It has a tenure of four years and only two terms. So, maximum eight years, but after that it will be a continuous process in an automatic way. So, I will request that do not worry about it. MÉ´ÉxÉÇàÉå] BÉEÉ ¤ÉÉc® +ÉÉxÉÉ cÉÒ +ÉSUÉ cè* <ºÉ nä¶É àÉå BÉEä¤ÉãÉ ÉÊ®´ÉÉãªÉÖ¶ÉxÉ cÖ+ÉÉ* nºÉ BÉE®Éä½ PÉ®Éå BÉEä ]ÉÒ´ÉÉÒ BÉEä¤ÉãÉ ºÉä VÉÉä½ä MÉA, BÉDªÉÉå cÖ+ÉÉ, It is because there was no Government. If there would have been a Government in the process, <ºÉ AäÉÊiÉcÉÉʺÉBÉE ÉʤÉãÉ BÉEÉä ºÉ¤ÉxÉä ºÉàÉlÉÇxÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ cè, <ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA àÉé ÉÊ{ÉE® ºÉä vÉxªÉ´ÉÉn näiÉÉ cÚÆ, <ºÉ ÉʤÉãÉ BÉEÉä {ÉÉºÉ BÉE®xÉä BÉEÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEciÉÉ cÚÆ* 28.07.2017 171 HON. CHAIRPERSON: The question is: “That the Bill to declare certain Institutes of Management to be institutions of national importance with a view to empower these institutions to attain standards of global excellence in management, management research and allied areas of knowledge and to provide for certain other matters connected therewith or incidental thereto, be taken into consideration.” The motion was adopted. HON. CHAIRPERSON: The House will now take up clause-by-clause consideration. The question is: “That clauses 2 to 6 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. Clauses 2 to 6 were added to the Bill. Clause 7 Power and functions of Institute. HON. CHAIRPERSON: There are Amendment Nos. 2, 3 and 4 given by Shri N. K. Premachandran. Are you moving your Amendments? SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): Sir, I am not moving Amendment No. 4, but I am moving Amendment Nos. 2 and 3. I beg to move: “Page 4, lines 13 and 14,-- for “payment of, fees and other charges as the Institute may deem fit,” substitute “payment of reasonable and affordable fees and other charges”. (2) “Page 4, line 24,-- after “Central Government” insert “or the State Government, as the case may be”. (3) 28.07.2017 172 Sir, I have moved amendment Nos. 2 and 3 because ‘reasonable and affordable fees’ is my amendment so that the institutes may not impose unaffordable and unreasonable fees. This is my amendment. Kindly allow it. HON. CHAIRPERSON: I shall now put Amendment Nos. 2 and 3 to Clause 7 moved by Shri N. K. Premachandran to the vote of the House. The amendments were put and negatived. HON. CHAIRPERSON: The question is: “That clause 7 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. Clause 7 was added to the Bill. Clause 8 Institutes to be open to all irrespective of sex, race, creed, caste or class HON. CHAIRPERSON: There is Amendment No. 5 given by Shri N. K. Premachandran. Are you moving your Amendment? SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : Sir, I am not moving Amendment No. 5. HON. CHAIRPERSON: The question is: “That clause 8 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. Clause 8 was added to the Bill. Clause 9 Institute to be not for profit legal entity. HON. CHAIRPERSON : Mr. Premachandran, are you moving your Amendment No. 6? SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : Yes, Sir, I am moving the amendment. This Amendment is about the budgetary support to the IIMC and that is the provision about which I would like to bring an amendment. I beg to move: “Page 5, lines 14,- after “and sustainability” 28.07.2017 173 insert “with the grant and financial support from the Central Government”. (6) HON. CHAIRPERSON: I shall now put amendment No.6 to Clause 9 moved by Shri N.K. Premachandran to the vote of the House The amendment was put and negatived. The question is: “That clause 9 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. Clause 9 was added to the Bill. Clause 10 Board of Governors HON. CHAIRPERSON: Shri Premachandran is a very prolific amendment mover, which is very good. SHRI PRAKASH JAVADEKAR: He is an amendment king. HON. CHAIRPERSON: Mr. Premachandran, are you moving your Amendment Nos.7 to 17? SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : Hon. Minister has now clarified that Board of Governors is being constituted or nominated by the Board. I do agree. Kindly go through the definition of clause 2(b) – `Board” means, `in relation to any institute’ means the Board of Governors referred to in sub-section 1 of section 10. What is sub-section 1 of section 10? The Board shall consist of the following. So, as per the Minister’s observation or version, in his reply he has stated that the present Board can nominate. SHRI PRAKASH JAVADEKAR: No, I haven’t said this. The present Board is there but what will happen is, after the law is passed, and comes into effect, immediately the composition of the Board will change, our representatives will come out; there will be new alumni and other representatives coming in. That will be the first Board under the new law and that Board would create next Boards after four years. 28.07.2017 174 HON. CHAIRPERSON: Shri Premachandran are you satisfied? SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : With the explanation of the hon. Minister, I am not moving my amendments. HON. CHAIRPERSON: The question is: “That clause 10 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. Clause 10 was added to the Bill. Clauses 11 to 39 were added to the Bill. The Schedule Amendment made: Page 18, in column (5), lines 7 and 8,- for “Indian Institute of Management Kolkata” substitute “Indian Institute of Management Calcutta”. (1) (Shri Prakash Javadekar) HON. CHAIRPERSON: The question is: “That the Schedule, as amended, stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. The Schedule, as amended, was added to the Bill. Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Long Title were added to the Bill. HON. CHAIRPERSON: The Minister may now move that the Bill, as amended, be passed. SHRI PRAKASH JAVADEKAR: I beg to move: “That the Bill, as amended, be passed.” HON. CHAIRPERSON: The question is: “That the Bill, as amended, be passed. ” The motion was adopted. 28.07.2017 175 SHRI ANANTHKUMAR: I compliment the Chair, especially Prof. Saugata Roy, for smooth passage of this Bill by adorning the Chair. HON. CHAIRPERSON: Now, Government Business is over. I thank the Members because they allowed Government Business to go into Private Members’ time but we had the duty to pass the Bill as a whole. We have done it. Now, we shall take up the Private Members’ Business. 28.07.2017 176 16.40 hours MOTION RE: 35TH REPORT OF COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS gÉÉÒ ®ixÉ ãÉÉãÉ BÉE]ÉÉÊ®ªÉÉ (+Éà¤ÉÉãÉÉ) : àÉcÉänªÉ, àÉé |ɺiÉÉ´É BÉE®iÉÉ cÚÆ: “ÉÊBÉE ªÉc ºÉ£ÉÉ 26 VÉÖãÉÉ<Ç, 2017 BÉEÉä ºÉ£ÉÉ àÉå |ɺiÉÖiÉ MÉè®-ºÉ®BÉEÉ®ÉÒ ºÉnºªÉÉå BÉEä ÉÊ´ÉvÉäªÉBÉEÉå iÉlÉÉ ºÉÆBÉEã{ÉÉå ºÉƤÉÆvÉÉÒ ºÉÉÊàÉÉÊiÉ BÉEä 35´Éå |ÉÉÊiÉ´ÉänxÉ ºÉä ºÉcàÉiÉ cè* ” HON. CHAIRPERSON : The question is: “That this House do agree with the Thirty-fifth Report of the Committee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolutions presented to the House on the 26th July, 2017.” The motion was adopted. 28.07.2017 177 16.41 hours PRIVATE MEMBERS' RESOLUTIONS (i) Steps to ensure welfare of Employees Provident Fund pensioners HON. CHAIRPERSON: The House shall take up further discussion on the Resolution moved by Shri N.K. Premachandran on 11th December, 2015. Shri Jugal Kishore Sharma to continue. gÉÉÒ VÉÖMÉãÉ ÉÊBÉE¶ÉÉä® ¶ÉàÉÉÇ VÉÉÒ, +ÉÉ{É ¤ÉÉäÉÊãÉA* BÉDªÉÉ +ÉÉ{É ®äbÉÒ cé? +ÉMÉ® +ÉÉ{É BÉÖEU ¤ÉÉäãÉxÉÉ SÉÉciÉä cé iÉÉä ¤ÉÉäÉÊãÉA* +ÉMÉ® BÉÖEU xɪÉÉ xÉcÉÓ ¤ÉÉäãÉxÉÉ cè iÉÉä +ÉÉìxÉ®ä¤ÉãÉ ÉÊàÉÉÊxɺ]® BÉEÉä ÉÊ®{ãÉÉ<Ç näxÉä nÉÒÉÊVÉA* gÉÉÒ VÉÖMÉãÉ ÉÊBÉE¶ÉÉä® (VÉààÉÚ) : ºÉ®, àÉÖZÉä ¤ÉÉäãÉxÉä BÉEä ÉÊãÉA nÉä ÉÊàÉxÉ] ºÉàÉªÉ SÉÉÉÊcA* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ: ~ÉÒBÉE cè, àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ BÉEÉä ¤ÉÉäãÉxÉä nÉÒÉÊVÉA* Hon. Labour Minister may now reply. 28.07.2017 178 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND EMPLOYMENT (SHRI BANDARU DATTATREYA): Hon. Chairperson, Sir, at the outset, I would like to commend the hon. Senior Member Shri N.K. Premachandranji for raising his valid concerns through this Private Members’ Resolution. There are particularly a large number of employees provident fund pensioners and subscribers. The issue raised by Shri Premachandranji is about this pension scheme. This pension scheme has been framed under the Employees Provident Fund (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act of 1952. Now, this is totally administered by our EPFO and our Ministry. First of all, I wish to assure this august House that concerns raised in the Private Members’ Resolution have been receiving sympathetic consideration in the Government. I would like to inform this House that the EPFO and the Ministry of Labour and Employment have been receiving a large number of representations from individual pensioners of PPS 1995 as well as from many associations about introducing the benefits of commutation and return of capital which are available under this scheme. About the important points raised by Shri Premachandranji, the first point relates to restoring the benefit of commutation and return of capital to the employees provident fund pensioners. The second point is about providing pension to the beneficiaries of employees provident fund pension on the basis of average salary of 12 months immediately preceding retirement. The third point is about ensuring payment of full pension to pensioners after realization of full amount of commuted pension as per the Employees Pension Scheme of 1995. Another issue was about increasing the minimum pension to Rs.3000 per month under the EPF Scheme of 1995. Another issue was about implementing the welfare scheme of pensioners including housing, utilizing the unclaimed provident fund amount of Rs.27,000 crore. These are the major concerns of the hon. Member. 28.07.2017 179 I want to put the matter in perspective. Pensioners under EPS 1995 earlier had the provision of taking benefit of commutation as well as return of capital. Under commutation, the member could opt to commute up to one third of his pension so as to receive an amount equivalent to 100 times of the commuted value that was paid lump sum at the time of credit itself. Under the benefit of returned capital, the member had three options to receive certain sums of money in lump sum in the event of certain eventualities by preferring to receive resumed pension to avail these benefits. EPS 1995 did not have any provision for restoration of commuted value of the pension because these provisions were withdrawn in 2009 at a time when the fund valuation over several years had shown a large deficit. That is why it had become necessary to arrest and curtail the deficit and this commutation has already been deleted vide notification No. GSR.NO.688/E dated 26/9/2008. Sir, the demand of the Members for pensioners for the restoration of the commuted value of pension has been based on the premise that since a value of 100 times the commuted amount of pension was given upfront, the pension should be restored after 100 months as the amount so paid is recovered through monthly deductions in that period of 100 months. However, the principle that had been adopted for commutation in the provisions of EPS 1995, which is self-funded contribution scheme, was that the commuted amount that is paid upfront is in the nature of payment of a portion of core corpus. Therefore, the amount of reduced pension was not restored and continued for life. The actual valuation of the fund was also carried out. Accordingly, the restoration of commuted value was considered in such valuation. When the valuation took place, on 16/11/1996 the surplus was Rs.1,689 crore. When it came to second year and third year, it had come from plus to minus. In 2008 it had become Rs.54,203 crore minus. Again in 2009 it has increased to Rs.61,608 crore. After 2009, the recent actual surplus has come on 31st March, 2015 to Rs.5,026 crore 87 lakh surplus. That is why now it is in surplus condition. 28.07.2017 180 So, in our Central Board of Trustees meeting we reconsidered the matter after consultation with the Actuary who has worked out a cost-neutral commutation factor for future cases which involves restoration of commuted value of pension after 15 years. However, the restoration of the commuted value in respect of the pensioners who had availed commutation earlier involves a financial impact of approximately Rs. 750 crore. That has to be absorbed in the fund. Based on this, the Central Board of Trustees has recommended the re-introduction of the provisions of the commutation as well as the restoration of commuted value of pension under Employee’s Pension Scheme 1995 after 15 years. This proposal involves financial implication and the matter including the necessary amendment in Employee’s Pension Scheme 1995 is being considered by the Government. The restoration of the benefit of return of capital was not found to be financially viable. Hence, it was not recommended by our Board of Trustees and we have not considered it further. As regards determination of pension under Employee’s Pension Scheme 1995 on the basis of 12 months’ salary immediately preceding retirement, I would like to inform that the pension is presently determined based on the average of 16 months’ salary prior to the exit of the employee. The Ministry of Finance has advised to rationalize it. So, the Government has recently made amendment to the Employee’s Pension Scheme 1995 and introduced provision of minimum pension that is Rs. 1,000 per month. Earlier the pension was Rs. 30, Rs. 80, Rs. 200 and Rs. 250. But we have taken a decision that the minimum pension should be Rs. 1,000. To give the benefit of the minimum pension of Rs. 1,000, the Government of India is now providing Rs. 825 crore annually and this is also in perpetuity. The Employee’s Pension Scheme 1995 is a contributory scheme where the obligations of all the payments are met from the assets of the fund only and the Government is not required to finance any payment obligation. That is why accepting the request for increasing the minimum pension to Rs. 3,000 per month is not possible without compromising the financial viability of the scheme. 28.07.2017 181 However, as a Minister, I have directed that a complete valuation of the Employee’s Pension Scheme 1995 be done. I will see to it that a high-powered monitoring committee is formed and I will take the cooperation of our hon. Members to have a complete review of the scheme. Regarding the implementation of welfare schemes, our Government is proactive. The hon. Member asked about the health, housing and other benefits as far as our PF subscribers are concerned. Our Prime Minister has launched a programme called Housing for All. He has appealed that housing for all should be there by 2022. In that perspective, EPFO is formulating a new credit-linked subsidy scheme for housing for the EPF subscribers. The scheme has been notified in 2017. Under the scheme, a minimum of 10 members can form a cooperative society and they will be eligible for availing the benefit under the Pradhan Mantri Awas Yojana. Under this scheme they will get Rs.2.2 lakh subsidy on the interest. The beneficiary of the interest subsidy at the rate of 6.5 per cent for a period of 20 years will include economically weaker sections as also the low income group people. So, this credit linked subsidy scheme will cover two segments of the society; middle income group-1 with annual income between Rs. 6 lakh to Rs. 12 lakh will get three per cent subsidy and middle income group-2 with annual income between Rs.12 lakh to Rs. 18 lakh will get four per cent subsidy on the housing loans availed by them. With regard to EPFO, a person can withdraw up to 90 per cent of the balance in his account. Within two years we will have a housing scheme which will cover 10 lakh workers. With regard to the Employees Deposit linked Insurance Scheme, EDLI, we have increased the maximum amount from Rs.3.5 lakh to Rs. 6 lakh and the minimum amount from Rs.0 to Rs.2.5 lakh. This is a new initiative which our Ministry and EPFO have taken. Shri Premachandran was asking about the health of the workers. Health of workers is our top priority. We are going to cover retired pensioners also. In 28.07.2017 182 association with the ESIC we are going to formulate a medical benefit scheme for all the pensioners who are EPF members also. This will be a contributory medical benefit scheme. Its details are being worked out. HON. CHAIRPERSON : Are you happy with this, Shri Premachandran? SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (KOLLAM): It is a very good announcement, Sir. SHRI BANDARU DATTATREYA: We are providing pension to 59 lakh pensioners in the country out of which 23,23,148 pensioners have been Aadhaar seeded. Now, disbursement of pension will be done by core banking system. We will issue instructions to all the field officers to ensure that on the first working day of the month pension is credited in the pension accounts only. All the nationalized commercial banks HDFC, ICICI, Axis bank, our nationalized banks and all the post offices allover India can also avail this. 17.00 hours Hon. Prime Minister has announced the Pradhan Mantri Rojgar Protsahan Yojana. Under the said Yojana, the Government of India will be paying the 8.33 per cent of PF contribution of the employer which would be an incentive for the employers for creating new jobs. For that, Rs.1000 crore have been provided in the Budget. With this, the employment generation will be taken care of. Then there are two more important things which I would like to mention. We have started portability through the Universal Account Number (UAN). With this Universal Account Number, if a worker shifts to another factory or another area, he can transfer the funds lying in their previous accounts. We have issued around eleven crore UAN numbers. These are some of the many initiatives which have been taken and which I wanted to mention here. I have taken note of the valuable concerns raised here. I have taken many new initiatives. I have also gone through them with a positive frame of mind. Now 2-3 things are under active consideration. Around 25-26 hon. Members have taken part in this discussion and have given many suggestions. I will keep these 28.07.2017 183 things in mind. The pensioners should get justice because retired people need more incentives. I would request the hon. Member to withdraw this Private Members’ Resolution. I will look at all other things that are likely to severely compromise the long term financial viability of the EPS, 1995. That is why, I would request the hon. Member to withdraw the Resolution. HON. CHAIRPERSON : Now, Shri Premachandran Ji has a right to reply. My time is over, so I will request Shri Suresh C. Angadi to take the Chair. 17.03 hours (Shri Suresh C. Angadi in the Chair) SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : Thank you very much hon. Chairperson for giving me this opportunity to reply to the debate in your august presence as the hon. Chairperson of this august House. Sir, in this Private Members’ Resolution, as has been rightly stated by the hon. Minister, twenty-six hon. Members have participated in the discussion and this Private Members’ Resolution took six days for having a detailed debate about the Employees’ Pension Scheme, 1995. Sir, you may kindly note that more than nine hours have been taken for having a detailed discussion on the Employees’ Pension Scheme, 1995. I am thankful to the hon. Minister for giving the reply. Though all the matters have not been addressed, he has agreed and assured the House that a high-level committee will be constituted to review and revamp the entire Employees’ Pension Scheme of 1995. I am thankful to the hon. Minister for that. One of the demands of the Resolution was also to have a re-look into the Employees’ Pension Scheme. So, you may kindly see that the Employees’ Pension Scheme has come into existence in the year 1995. Now, twenty-two years have elapsed. At the time when the Employees’ Pension Scheme was presented in the House, the then Labour Minister, the late Shri P.A. Sangma, had assured the House that once in every ten years, this Employees’ Pension Scheme will be reviewed and appropriate changes and enhancements will be made in case of 28.07.2017 184 pension and all other benefits. But, it is quite unfortunate to note that so far, even after twenty-two years, this Employees’ Pension Scheme is not being reviewed and revamped. So, the suggestion or the assurance of the hon. Minister to have a revamping of the entire Employees’ Pension Scheme by constituting a high-level monitoring committee or a supervisory committee to look into all the aspects of the Employees’ Pension Scheme is a welcome suggestion. I am thankful to the hon. Minister for having constituted such a Committee to have a detailed look for revamping the entire pension scheme. This is the first point which I wanted to make. Sir, I express my sincere thanks to all the hon. Members who have participated in the discussion. One thing the Government may kindly note is that the hon. Minister of Parliamentary Affairs was also very supportive of this Private Members’ Resolution. Almost all the Members across party lines and without any political barriers have supported this Resolution. I think no other Resolution has received such a support. Even the hon. Minister has supported this Resolution. So, that much importance and gravity have been there for this Resolution. So, I am thankful to all the Members and all the political parties who have supported this Resolution. I express my sincere thanks to them. Now I would like to touch upon some of the major issues. The hon. Minister has addressed some of the issues. I would like to place it on record that this Resolution was presented in this House on 11th December, 2015. During the course of discussion, hon. Minister has given 2-3 assurances before the House. As per one of the assurances, two year weightage has been provided. The hon. Minister has now given another assurance that the housing facilities will be provided with a nominal interest of 6.5 per cent to all the pensioners. Another assurance has been given by the hon. Minister that all the pensioners would be given the medical benefit. This was one of the demands of this Resolution. He has assured the House that the Employees Insurance Scheme will be extended to 28.07.2017 185 all the pensioners which means it will be beneficial to 58 lakh pensioners for which I am thankful to the hon. Minister. Sir, the Minister has also given an assurance on one of the major issues and if I am wrong, kindly correct me. In my opening remarks also, I had made this point. Suppose I have commuted an amount from my pension account. Now even after payment of the full amount which I have commuted, deduction will be there till my life time. Sir, I am from cashew sector where I am a trade union leader. There are poor cashew workers. One cashew worker had come to me. She is 85 years old. She had come to me. She told me that she had taken an advance of Rs.18000 from her pension fund. Now she has repaid Rs.48000 by way of deductions from her pension. Even after recovering Rs.33000 in excess of what she had taken as advance, still the deduction is going on. I took up this matter with the PF organisation. I have got so many replies from them but due to paucity of time, I am not going to read those responses from the PF organisation. In all the replies, they have said that there is no provision in the Employees Pension Scheme to stop it and that this will be deducted for life time. In my personal talks with the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs, he has also said that this is too much. This is a little bit draconian. The hon. Minister has assured that it will be looked into. Immediately after the realisation within 15 years, the pension should be restored. It is a good announcement which has been made by the hon. Minister for which I express my sincere thanks to him as also to the Government. Then the commutation benefit has to be restored. That is one of my demands. The commutation benefit was taken away not by this Government but by the then UPA Government and also the benefit of return of capital which we call in our constituency as death fund. That was available to the poor workers. These two benefits have to be restored. This is also one of the demands in this Resolution. 28.07.2017 186 Another very contentious issue which I would like to express before the hon. Minister and the Government is that on 23.03.2017, during the course of discussion on this Private Members’ Resolution in the House, I had made a suggestion in this regard because there is a Supreme Court verdict. What is the verdict? Those who have opted for higher pension on the basis of actual salary, they are entitled to get higher pension. But unfortunately those workers who were not able to opt on the basis of actual salary, they are not entitled to higher pension. This was position. So many pensioners approached the High Court and the Supreme Court. The hon. Supreme Court has finally delivered a judgement which said that though they have not opted for a higher pension on the basis of actual salary, yet they are entitled to opt even afterwards. This was the judgement. I am not going into the details of the judgement. This judgement was delivered in response to Writ Petition 322 and 323. On the basis of the Supreme Court judgement in these two cases, the Government issued an order on 23.3.17 that even though those who do not have any judgement in their favour, all pensioners are entitled -- if they fulfil the criteria, even though they are not supported by any judgement. The Employees Provident Fund Organisation was providing higher pension only to those who had obtained the judgement either from a High Court or the Supreme Court. Those who did not go to the court, they are not entitled for higher pension. So, the order of 23.3.2017 order is there. According to that order, it has been made applicable to all. But according to that order also those people who jointed after 2014 does not become eligible for pension. This matter has become a big national debate in the country. Subsequently, on 31.5.2017, another circular had been issued by the Central Provident Fund Organisation in which there is a classification between exempted establishments and non-exempted establishments. Exempted establishment means those establishments, especially the newspaper industry and some Public Sector Undertakings, like FACT and Cochin Shipyards and others. In those industries they are having their own Trust, 28.07.2017 187 that is exempted Trust. Non-exempted Trust means it is directly being administered by the PF organisation. So, on 31.5.2017, Employees Provident Fund issued a Circular stating that the 23.3.2017 order is only applicable to the non- exempted establishments. According to me that order is against the spirit of the judgement of the Supreme Court and against the assurance given by the hon. Minister in the Parliament. This needs to be re-looked. I know one newspaper industry in Kerala, namely, Malayalam Manorama, it is a big newspaper industry where 14 employees retired. They fall under the non-exempt establishment category, they have given the option, even then they are not being provided with pension. Most of the Regional Provident Fund officers are confusing the issue. They are making this issue more confusing. It is very difficult for the poor pensioners to get their pension. Subsequently, on 21.6.2017 another circular was issued by the Chief Provident Fund Organisation. What did the Circular contain? In this Circular the classification of exempted and non-exempted was removed. But another new provision was incorporated. What was the new provision? Only those pensioners or those members of EPF scheme who have paid 8.33 per cent of actual salary to the PF organisation are only entitled to higher pension and option was only available to them. So, what is the final result? Only the exempted establishments are not entitled to get higher pension on the basis of actual salary. This is only applicable to the non-exempted establishments. This is wrong. This is not the judgement of the Supreme Court. The judgement of the Supreme Court is entirely different. The Kerala High Court has given a verdict. There is no classification about exempted establishments or non-exempted establishments. The judgement of the Supreme Court is very clear. The Kerala High Court also has given a judgement that those who could not opt at the time of joining the Employees Pension Scheme, they should be given an opportunity to join by paying the arrears of the contribution. Against the judgement of the High Court, Employees Provident Fund has approached the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court has 28.07.2017 188 said that there is no merit in the case to interfere and so the Supreme Court is not interfering in this. So, the judgement of the High Court is final. I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Minister to the High Court judgement. We can discuss it even after this discussion also. We can have a meeting and discuss this definitely. The High Court judgement is very clear and many exempted establishment workers, many pensioners who are in the exempted establishments, are also getting higher pension on the basis of actual salary but when the circulars of 21/6 and 31/5 are there, in the exempted establishments also, these pensioners are getting higher pension on the basis of their actual salary. So much confusion is there in respect of higher pension on the basis of actual salary. That has to be clarified. I know that it is a very complicated subject. It is even very difficult to understand the terms and conditions of the Pension Scheme. An ordinary common man cannot understand it. I have worked a lot in this field. Even then I am not fully convinced with the facts and figures. Even the Regional Provident Fund Commissioners are not aware of it. Even the officials are not aware of it. It is such a complicated and confusing subject. Lakhs and lakhs of poor workers are being affected. So, kindly look into the matter. Higher pension on the basis of actual salary should be provided disregarding exempted or non-exempted establishments. Otherwise, we will be again forced to approach the Supreme Court for getting an order so as to get a higher pension. Instead of avoiding litigation, this matter may kindly be once again reviewed under the leadership of the hon. Minister. I know that the hon. Minister is from the background of poor workmen. I hope that he will definitely look into it. That is the submission which I would like to make. Let me come to another point. What was the provision in 1995 Scheme? A person or a worker who has completed ten years of service is entitled to get pension. Shri Ananth Kumar may kindly note this point. A worker who has completed ten years of service or contributed for ten years is entitled for a pension. 28.07.2017 189 But after this Government has come to power, you have made an amendment in the scheme. Ten years of continuous service has been amended as ten years of continuous contributory service. Ten years of continuous contributory service means a worker is entitled to pension only if he has attained the attendance of 3650 days. Hon. Minister for Labour may kindly examine it. That means a worker has to work for 365 days in a year. Is it fair or is it proper? A worker has to work for 365 days and only then he is entitled to pension after ten years of service. Suppose 3650 days provision is there, what will be the fate of the cashew, coir and traditional workers? In cashew industry, maximum work will be for 100 to 120 days. Coir sector will work like that. For the poor downtrodden people who are working in the traditional industry, maximum working days will be 100 to 120 days. Even if a worker who has completed 30 years of work with 100 days of work, it will become 3000 days. Even after completion of 30 years of service, a poor workman is not entitled to pension. He has to complete 3650 days of attendance. It means it is highly anti-labour. I know that it is from the PF organisation. Some bureaucrats or executives are simply making amendments. What is the pension that you are providing? You are providing a minimum pension of Rs. 1000 and in my State, almost all the working class workers are getting welfare funds of a minimum amount of Rs. 1000. If that be the case, I appeal to the hon. Minister on this point. Organised industry will get their attendance. They will get 3650 days of attendance by virtue of ten or 15 years. But as far as the poor seasonal industry is concerned, they are suffering. So, you are denying pension to lakhs and lakhs of traditional workers in the country. That has to be reviewed and that is my suggestion. THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI ANANTHKUMAR): Mr. Chairman, through you, I want to appeal to Shri Premachandran that during the course of 28.07.2017 190 entire debate on this issue as well as his personal persuasion with the hon. Minister, with me and other hon. Members of the Government, whatever points he has made have been very well taken by the Government and hon. Minister of Labour and Employment, my dear colleague Shri Bandaru Dattatreya garu has already assured also of setting up a high powered Committee to review the entire structure of various facilities including pension. Therefore, I would request him to conclude his speech so that the next Resolution can be taken up. I also would request him to withdraw the Resolution. SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : I will conclude within five minutes. There are a lot of points to be discussed. … (Interruptions) I will conclude within three minutes. HON. CHAIRPERSON : Please conclude within two minutes. SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : The Resolution which is to be taken up after the next Resolution is mine. I am also very much interested in that. That is about the issues of the NRIs. That Private Member Resolution is my Resolution. I will conclude within two or three minutes. I have one more very important point. All the industrial workers are watching the live telecast now. I know it very well. It is because they are all totally agitated by so many of these amendments to this Employees’ Pension Scheme. The Minister made a mention about 12 months. You will kindly see, prior to 2014, pension was calculated on the average of 12 months. Now, it has been changed to 60 months. That has to be re-looked and that has to be reviewed because the existing benefits cannot be curtailed. Nowhere in the world it is done. That is my point. Also, pension is being calculated on the formula, pensionable service multiplied by pensionable monthly amount divided by 70. That is the formula. So many other issues are also there. I have pointed out all these issues in the beginning. 1.16 per cent is the contribution of the Government of India which has commenced from the year 1971. Around 45 years have elapsed. So far it has not been increased. So, the contribution of the 28.07.2017 191 Government of India to the Employees’ Pension Scheme should be increased. The BMS suggested that the Government of India’s contribution to the Employees’ Pension Scheme should be not less than six per cent. That was the suggestion made by the BMS. That may also be looked into. If the Government is constituting a high level Committee, then we can discuss it as the hon. Minister has said. … (Interruptions) HON. CHAIRPERSON: Please conclude. Already the hon. Minister has given the answer. So, please conclude now. SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : I am concluding. The hon. Minister of Parliamentary Affairs and the hon. Minister of Labour and Employment have assured the House that such a Committee will be constituted and the revamping of the entire Employees’ Pension Scheme will be done. On the basis of that assurance I am concluding. If the hon. Minister of Labour and Employment could comment on any of the issues that I raised, then I will withdraw my Resolution. 28.07.2017 192 SHRI BANDARU DATTATREYA: Already I have replied to many of his questions. Regarding the restoration of pension commutation, I have given a very positive answer. I have told him we will revamp the scheme. This high level Committee will take your help also. Definitely it will restore the scheme. As far as the Supreme Court judgement is concerned, we are implementing that. Last time in the Parliament itself I have indicated that to you. I will examine the circulars which may not be in line with the Supreme Court judgement. The other important aspect, which he raised, was about the cashew workers. As I have already told, I would look into it. This Government is a very sensitive Government. It is a pro-workers Government. That is why we have taken many new initiatives. Lastly, I compliment and thank Shri N.K. Premachandranji and all the 25 hon. Members who have participated in this important discussion. I will definitely see that all the pensioners are regularly get their pension. I also understand the issues pertaining to the pensioners. That is why we have come to give a minimum of Rs. 1,000 per month as pension. Sir, the hon. Member, Shri Premachandran has demanded that a minimum of Rs. 3,000 per month should be there as pension. But as I have already told in the House that when the actuarial valuation comes, I would see as to what can be done. Sir, now, I would once again request Shri N.K Premachandraji to withdraw his Resolution. SHRI N.K. PREMACHANDRAN : Sir, the hon. Minister has assured that a High Level Supervisory Committee will be formed to review and revamp the Employees’ Pension Scheme of 1995; all other issues, which we have discussed, will be positively considered by the Government; and enhancement of pension will be considered after the actuarial valuation. On the basis of all these assurances, I am very happy to withdraw the Resolution, which I had moved before this august House. 28.07.2017 193 HON. CHAIRPERSON : Very good. Is it the pleasure of the House that the Resolution moved by Shri N.K. Premachandran be withdrawn? 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BÉEÉÒ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® +ÉÉxÉä BÉEä ¤ÉÉn, àÉÉänÉÒ VÉÉÒ BÉEÉÒ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® +ÉÉxÉä BÉEä ¤ÉÉn ´ÉcÉÆ ¤ÉcÖiÉ ºÉÉ®ä ÉÊ®Éκ]ÅBÉD¶ÉÆºÉ +ÉÉA* àÉé àÉÉxÉiÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE ªÉc ¤ÉcÖiÉ +ÉSUÉ cè* càÉ ãÉÉäMÉÉå BÉEÉä lÉÉä½ÉÒ-ºÉÉÒ {É®ä¶ÉÉxÉÉÒ cÉäiÉÉÒ cè, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ nä¶ÉÉÊciÉ àÉå ªÉc ¤ÉcÖiÉ +ÉSUÉ cè* ´ÉcÉÆ {É® VÉÉä ÉÊàÉÉÊxɺ]® BÉEÉàÉ BÉE®iÉä cé, £ÉÉàÉ®ä VÉÉÒ ªÉcÉÆ ¤Éè~ä cé, iÉÉä 28.07.2017 199 +ɤÉ, àÉé +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉä ¤ÉiÉÉiÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE 9 àÉÉSÉÇ, 2017 BÉEÉä =xcÉåxÉä ABÉE {É®ÉÊàɶÉxÉ nä ÉÊnªÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉé =ºÉBÉEÉä ÉÊ®BÉEÉìbÇ {É® ãÉÉxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ* “The Executive Engineer, Building Proposal II, Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai, Near Raj Legacy Bldg., Paper Mill Compound, L.B.S. Marg, Vikhroli (W), Mumbai – 400083. NOC-03/2017-NOC for proposed residential building on plot bearing CTS NOS. 596, 596/1 to 6, 597, 597/1 to 7, 598, 598/1 to 3, 599A, 599A/1 to A/81, 601, 602, 602/1 to 9, 603, 604, 605, 605/1 to 17, 606, 606/1 to 83, 607/1 to 31, 607A & 607D of village Kanjur at LBS Marg, Kanjur(W), Mumbai. 1. Refer to this Headquarters letter WK/3031/NOC17 dated 09 Dec 16. 2. The restrictions around naval stations/area at Mumbai have been reviewed and “No Objection Certificate” is hereby issued for the proposed residential building on plot bearing CTS No. CTS 596, 596/1 to 6, 597, 597/1 to 7, 598, 598/1 to 3, 599A, 599A/1 to a/81, 601, 602, 602/1 to 9, 603, 604, 605, 605/1 to 17, 606, 606/1 to 83, 607/1 to 31, 607A & 607D of Village Kanjur at LBS Marg Kanjur Mumbai. 3. It may be noted that the proposed residential building on plot bearing CTS No. CTS 596, 596/1 to 6, 597, 597/1 to 7, 598, 598/1 to 3, 599A, 599A/1 to A/81, 601, 602, 602/1 to 9, 603, 604, 605, 605/1 to 17, 606, 606/1 to 83, 607/1 to 31, 607A and 607D of Village Kanjur at LBS Marg Kanjur Mumbai for which No Objection Certificate is issued, will be undertaken at your own risk, subject to the condition that the Department/Indian Navy/Ministry of Defence/Government of India is totally indemnified against any claim, whatsoever, under all circumstances. ” 28.07.2017 200 ªÉc ABÉE {É®ÉÊàɶÉxÉ nä ÉÊnªÉÉ MɪÉÉ* +É¤É BÉÖEU ãÉÉäMÉÉå BÉEÉä àÉÉãÉÚàÉ {É½É iÉlÉÉ VÉ¤É =xÉBÉEÉä {É®ÉÊàɶÉxÉ xÉcÉÓ näiÉä lÉä, iÉÉä ABÉE BªÉÉÎBÉDiÉ xÉä BÉEà{ÉãÉå] BÉE® nÉÒ ÉÊBÉE +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä {É®ÉÊàɶÉxÉ BÉEèºÉä nä nÉÒ? You will be surprised +É¤É VÉÉä =xcÉåxÉä =ºÉBÉEÉ =kÉ® ÉÊnªÉÉ cè, ªÉc £ÉÉÒ VÉ®É {ÉfÃxÉä VÉèºÉÉ cè* “Issue – the project is in Ghatkopar suburb which is in the list of Part A of Annexure of MOD circular dated 21st October, 2016 and therefore, eligible for NOC from the Western Naval Command Mumbai.” “Clarification – IHQ MOD(N)/ACNS(P&P) vide Fax WK/1000/ NOC/WL Dated 17th November, 2016 has clarified that the MOD letter dated 21st October, 2016 is applicable to Army only and hence not applicable to Navy. Therefore, the complainants claim is invalid.” ´Éä ABÉE ¤ÉÉ® BÉEciÉä cé ÉÊBÉE ´ÉÉÇ 2016 BÉEÉ xÉä´ÉÉÒ BÉEÉä +ÉÉÎ{ãÉBÉEä¤ãÉ xÉcÉÓ cè +ÉÉè® +É¤É =ºÉxÉä +ÉÉMÉä {ÉÚUÉ ÉÊBÉE “And if suppose we accept the stand of the Western Naval Command that MOD circular dated 21st October, 2016 is not applicable to them, in this circumstance, we are supposed to be eligible for NOC as our plots fall at a distance of 168 metres which is in between the two plots situated at a 72 metres and 200 metres for which NOC was granted by the Western Naval Command. More importantly, recently, NOC was granted by the Western Naval Command for the project situated at a distance of 36 metres at Kanjur Marg, Naval Base, LBS Road, Mumbai.” 36 àÉÉÒ]® àÉå £ÉÉÒ nä ÉÊnªÉÉ* +É¤É <ºÉBÉEÉ =kÉ® ´Éä <ºÉ |ÉBÉEÉ® ºÉä näiÉä cé* “The reason for denial of NOC was intimated to the headquarters, PWD vide letter dated 9th May, 17. Copy annexed for ready reference. 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