David Curry Oral History Interview

ED METZLER: This is Ed Metzler. Today is the 13th of July,

2012. I’m in Fredericksburg, Texas at the Nimitz Museum.

And I am interviewing Mr. Dave Curry. This interview is in

support of the Nimitz Education and Research Center

Archives for the National Museum of the , Texas

Historical Commission for the preservation of historical

information related to this site. So let me start out,

Dave, by thanking you for coming up here and sharing your

experiences during the war with us. And so let’s get it

started by having you introduce yourself. Give us your

full name and where and when you were born.

DAVID CURRY: I’m David Alvin Curry. I was born in Travis

County, September the 30th, 1921.

EM: My golly -- 91 years old. Well, you’re coming up on 91,

aren’t you here?

DC: September.

EM: Well, congratulations.

DC: Yeah. First time in my life I ever had a broken bone.

EM: Is that right?

DC: My hip, yeah.

EM: Oh my goodness. Now, so you were born in Travis County but

not in Austin.

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DC: Austin.

EM: You were in Austin?

DC: Austin.

EM: Okay. What did your father do for a living?

DC: My father was a roofer and sheet metal contractor.

EM: Really? That’s hot work in Texas. And did you have

brothers and sisters?

DC: Yeah. I’ve got three brothers. There were five boys in

the family. Two of them are deceased. Right now there’s

only two brothers. I have two brothers left.

EM: And were you the eldest?

DC: I was second, number two.

EM: You’re second oldest?

DC: And all boys.

EM: All boys?

DC: My dad started numbering them. The youngest was named Tom,

but he said had the life of Riley. He named him wrong

because he had the life of Riley.

EM: So where did you go to school then?

DC: I went to a country school, at St. Elmo, for six years, had

the same teacher for six years.

EM: My goodness.

DC: Two-room schoolhouse.

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EM: Yeah, a little country schoolhouse, I guess. How far out

of town were you living? I mean, were you way out in the

country?

DC: Oh no, we were just about a half mile in the city limits.

EM: Oh, okay. So you’re close by.

DC: Yeah, but I had to walk three miles to school.

EM: My goodness. You had to walk out into the country to go to

school?

DC: Yeah.

EM: That seems backward, doesn’t it?

DC: That’s right.

EM: So you went there for six years. And then, what else?

What other schooling did you have?

DC: Well, I went to (inaudible) Junior High. Then I went to

Austin High. Then that’s where I graduated. Well, when I

got out of the service, I mean out of school, I didn’t know

what I wanted to do. So I wrote Lyndon Johnson a letter.

I got a job at the post office the next day. But I didn’t

like working at the post office.

EM: That wasn’t any fun, huh?

DC: So anyway, they were hiring people back over in San Antonio

at Duncan Field. My brother was over there. He said,

“Come over here. They’ll hire you.” So I went over there

and got on day shift. And then, I was in the metal wing

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and fuselage department. Well, they wanted sheet metal

work to go to Puerto Rico. Well, I turned it down.

EM: Why?

DC: I didn’t want to go down there by myself. I was young.

EM: Yeah, that’s right. You were.

DC: So the next job coming up was Louisiana. I still didn’t

want to go. So the foreman kept telling me the next job.

He says, “The draft is El Paso. We’re sending three out

there.” I said, “I’ll take that.” So I went to El Paso,

started at Biggs Field out there. I wasn’t but 21, 22

years old, had 54 employees under me.

EM: My goodness.

DC: I made three civil service jumps in one year. And you know

the FBI came and investigated me.

EM: Why?

DC: You want to know why? It’s those jumps.

EM: Oh, they thought maybe you’d gotten some sort of a

sweetheart deal. So anyway, I said, “it was offered to me.

Wouldn’t you take it?” So that’s the end of it. But I

know how it went because the shop superintendent, he was

from Austin. He lived right down the street. I knew him -

- good friend of mine. And every job that come up he said,

“You know you’re going to pass it out.” So anyway, the

navy planes land in there from East Coast and West Coast.

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And this commander ordered me to come to Ford Island to

work on their planes. I knew I was just going to get

drafted anyway. So me and the inspector, we go down and we

sign up. Well, we get to the navy.

DC: So where did you sign up?

EM: I signed up at El Paso.

DC: Mm-hmm. Now, had the war started?

EM: Oh, yeah, yeah. The war started, yeah.

DC: Where were you when Pearl Harbor was attacked.

EM: I was at Austin.

DC: You were in Austin. Do you remember that day?

EM: Oh yeah.

DC: Sunday morning, I was down at Robert Moore’s feed store

sitting on a feed sack. And anyway...

EM: So anyhow, you signed up and you went in the navy.

DC: Went in the navy.

EM: Why the navy?

DC: Well, I figured the navy -- I liked working on navy planes.

Well, when I got out of boot camp, I never did see that

commander no more. This big draft come up for all these

battle wagons. See, the , New Mexico and Idaho

was three sister ships. Well, they needed a big draft.

They took 500, put them on the Mississippi. They sent me

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off to Camp Pleasanton, and I was lost up there. It’s

about 30 miles...

EM: Where is that?

DC: About 30 miles from San Francisco.

EM: Okay, so that’s -- okay.

DC: So anyway, we had an overnight liberty. So a bunch of us

got a highway coach ride. I didn’t even know where I was

going because my wife was there.

EM: Oh, you were married?

DC: Oh yeah, I was married then. I got married then.

EM: Oh, okay. When did you get married?

DC: I got married in ’41.

EM: Oh, okay. So you’d been married for a year or so.

DC: Yeah. She traveled up and down the West Coast with me.

When I was in San Diego she worked in California’s motor

vehicle department. Then, when she went to San Francisco

she stayed with my aunt there. Anyway, we had liberty.

About 12 of us got on a hay truck. We got to the city

limits. He said, “This is as far as I’m going. There’s a

bus stop. Y'all catch the bus.” So we all got on this bus

to go to town. Still knew where I was at -- San Francisco.

I knew where I was supposed to go -- 957 Fell Street. So I

asked the policeman down there. He said, “You catch that

trolley right there and tell the conductor where you want

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off.” I said okay. So I got on that trolley. I just

walked about a block and there she was, had a car and

everything. My aunt couldn’t drive. And then, the

overnight liberty ended, and we had to go back to Camp

Pleasanton. Then that’s when they started putting these

people on ships.

EM: So you didn’t know what ship you were going to be on. You

just knew you were going on a ship.

DC: Yeah.

EM: Were you excited about that?

DC: Not really. I was disheartened.

EM: Really, why?

DC: Well, I didn’t get what I was promised.

EM: Oh? What were you promised?

DC: I was promised to go to Ford Island from this commander.

He said, “You should get over there.” But the inspector

didn’t need me. So anyway, they put me on the Mississippi.

And you know, after I got on the Mississippi the old chief

come by. He said, “You don’t like it, do you?” I said, “I

don’t like being no deckhand, swabbing that deck.”

EM: Yeah, scrubbing it with a...

DC: He said, “How would you like to be a gunner’s mate?” I

said, “Anything.” So that’s what I wound up being, a

gunner mate.

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EM: Now, where did you first go on board the Mississippi?

DC: In San Francisco.

EM: In San Francisco?

DC: San Francisco.

EM: What did you think about it the first time you saw it?

DC: Big ship -- 2,800 on there.

EM: Wow. That’s a huge crew.

DC: We had everything. We had a laundry, cleaning person,

shop, everything.

EM: Barber shop?

DC: Barber shop.

EM: It was just like a city, isn’t it?

DC: Oh yeah, barbershop. Anyway, if I remember, we went out

for gunnery practice. Anyway, after I was on there three,

four months, Pete [Castelli?] was my chief ward officer.

EM: What was his name?

DC: Pete Castelli.

EM: [Giselli?] That sounds like a good Irish name.

DC: Italian, yeah. Anyway, his wife and my wife were real good

friends after they got acquainted. And my first battle was

at the Gilbert Islands.

EM: Now, so how long did you have for training and that kind of

thing before you set out into the South Pacific?

DC: Boy, it was three or four weeks.

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EM: And so, there was -- how many of you were new on the

Mississippi? There was a bunch of you guys.

DC: Oh yeah, I’d say 500.

EM: Out of 2,800, huh?

DC: Yeah.

EM: The rest of the guys were old hands, had already been out

and about?

DC: Yeah. Well, they come up right into Aleutian Islands, Fiji

Islands. But there wasn’t no battles yet.

EM: That’s right. So when you got on the Mississippi, she

headed out to the -- did you say the Gilberts?

DC: Gilbert Islands.

EM: Okay. So tell me about that first crew.

DC: The Marshall and Gilbert Islands, we bombarded it. See,

the Japs already hit it. And they shot torpedoes at us.

You could see the wake in those. We’d look at it. Those

captains just turned the ship, let them go on by.

EM: Now, where was this happening, all down in the Gilberts?

DC: Yeah.

EM: Were you with her ships, or was she...

DC: Oh, no.

EM: You were alone?

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DC: No, we had other ships with us, too. See, the New Mexico

and -- well, New Mexico, the east and two

as escorts.

EM: So you were doing what, bombarding?

DC: Bombarding.

EM: So the Japanese were still holding the island?

DC: They had all that, yeah.

EM: And which island was it? Do you remember the specific

island in the Gilberts?

DC: It was Marshall.

EM: Marshalls, I’m sorry.

DC: Marshall and Gilbert Islands are there.

EM: They’re kind of right together, aren’t they?

DC: There’s two together, yeah, Marshall and Gilbert Islands.

After we got that island back, then we kept working our way

down towards Leyte to get back out there, back into

Philippines.

EM: Mm-hmm. Well now, this book that you’ve got there...

DC: See this, the first, there at the mark, one of our turrets

had a flareback, one of those (inaudible) guys. They just

draw all that -- that’s what they call a flareback. All

that poison from that powder killed all 70 of them.

EM: How did that happen now? Tell me about that. Was that

when you were aboard ship?

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DC: Oh yes. See, those slugs weighed about 500 pounds. And

once that bag powder about this, that guy, that (inaudible)

must not have looked at the barrels. There’s still some

sparks in there. Then when they throw that bag powder in

there, it sets that powder on fire. And it just flashed

back all the way down the turret, all the way down to the

conveyor belt, killed all 70 of them there.

EM: My word.

DC: See, these even have his Purple Heart. I got the Purple

Heart later on.

EM: Now, is that right? Yeah, I’m just reading here about what

it says about the Mississippi. It says on the 6th of

December, after participating in exercises off of Hawaii,

she steamed with troop transports to the Fiji Islands.

Were you on her when...

DC: Not on the Fiji. That was before my time.

EM: Invasion of the Gilbert Islands, here it is. While

bombarding Macon on the 20th of November, a turret

explosion almost identical to the earlier tragedy, it says

here, killed 43 men. So this must have happened once

before.

DC: Yeah, it did.

EM: Earlier, what, before the war?

DC: Oh yeah.

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EM: Oh my gosh.

DC: It’s the second time that turret blew up.

EM: Was it the same turret?

DC: Yeah, same turret.

EM: That’s an unlucky turret.

DC: Yes, I know it.

EM: Now where were you?

DC: I was on five-inch broadside. I was on the five-inch gun.

EM: These were the 14-inch turrets that they were...

DC: That’s 14-inch, yeah.

EM: So tell me what you heard and what you saw when that turret

exploded.

DC: We didn’t know what to do.

EM: Well, you didn’t know what it was, I guess, to begin with.

DC: No. We didn’t know what happened because we were busy on

our gun.

EM: Hmm. So did you just stay at your stations then?

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: And then you found out what happened later, huh?

DC: Oh yeah. They let us know. It came over the speaker.

There the old admiral.

EM: My golly. Yeah, you’re looking at this book for the USS

Mississippi. And it’s got Admiral Nimitz, a big full-page

picture of our man.

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DC: Yes, sir.

EM: Did you ever meet him, ever have a chance to meet him?

DC: Well, when we signed the independence in Tokyo, the

Mississippi was there with the Missouri. Nimitz and

MacArthur, I know they were on the Missouri to sign

independence.

EM: Right. Missouri is where they had the actual signing.

DC: Yeah. And these are all the...

EM: The captains?

DC: Yes. Kincaid come on there.

EM: Man, you’ve got some all-star names there, don’t you?

Halsey -- oh, these are commanders of the various fleets.

DC: Yeah.

EM: Who was the captain of the Mississippi when you went on?

Do you remember?

DC: I don’t know if it’s Crow, Hunter, all those.

EM: Yeah, Hunter was November ’42 to April ’44. And from June

’42 -- when did you go on her? What date? Do you remember

approximately when you went on?

DC: No.

EM: Was it says here Rear Admiral Cobb. Was he commander when

you...

DC: I’ve heard of Cobb.

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EM: Then later on you had Redfield, Captain Redfield. And

then, my goodness, he was only on there for, well, a little

bit over a year, and then Captain Crow.

DC: Crow. He was on it when I left, Crow was.

EM: Mm-hmm. So after the Marshall Islands Campaign, then where

did you and the Mississippi go? Where did she go at that

point?

DC: All those little islands, I don’t remember. I think it’s

in there later on where we all went. I don’t remember the

name of them islands.

EM: Ole Miss goes to war. Now here’s Kwajalein. That looks

like one of the islands. Now, did you go up to the

Aleutians on the Mississippi?

DC: No.

EM: She had already been there when you went aboard, huh?

DC: Yeah, she’s already there.

EM: Mm-hmm. So tell me about what it was like on the five-inch

gun during combat. You had a lot of combat on the

Mississippi, I think.

DC: Oh yeah. Well, see, you had a pointer, a trainer, gun

captain. You had a rammer man, the one that holds the

slug, the one that throws the powder in. Then you had all

these other people setting the fuses back there, high-

velocity fuses and timing.

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EM: Now, is this five-inch in a turret of its own?

DC: No, it wasn’t no turret.

EM: Mm-hmm. And so, what was your -- what were you doing?

What was your role on the group that was...

DC: Well, I was rammer man there for a long time. And then I

was rammer man. Then I started setting fuses. See, all

our orders come from the gun captains -- I mean, from the

gunnery officer up there. And all that gun captain had to

do down there was put that cap in there. And when he

closed that breech and he said, “Fire,” all he had to do

was push the little button. It’s gone.

EM: Okay. Was there a single gun there that you were working

with? Or was there more than one?

DC: There’s three on each side, three five-inch guns on each

side. And there was -- to maintain that gun, it was three

people to maintain one gun. We had to clean that gun every

day, fire and locks every day. And we used 190-proof grain

alcohol.

EM: To clean it out?

DC: To clean it out, to clean it, keep that salt water off of

it.

EM: So usually the five-inch guns, they were used for, what,

shore bombardment?

DC: Just bombardment.

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EM: Okay. You weren’t into anti-aircraft?

DC: Well, after we got a lot of them pilots back, after we took

Pearl Harbor back, we just shot all the linings out. They

were sticking out about that far. It wasn’t accurate no

more. So then we go up to Bremerton, Washington. And they

changed the five-inch 51s to 5/35, anti-aircraft. That’s

when we went back to Japanese territory.

EM: So you went -- after some combat, you went back to

Bremerton to be refitted.

DC: Yeah.

EM: And some of the guns were refitted.

DC: Yeah. We had a 90-day yard period there.

EM: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I’m just reading from some of the stuff that

I got off the computer about the Mississippi. It says on

31st of January she took part in the Marshall Islands

Campaign -- this is ’44 -- shelling the island of

Kwajalein. So that was one of them that you shelled. She

bombarded Taroa, T-A-R-O-A, on the 20th of February and

then another island I’ve never heard of, and New Ireland.

And then, due for an overhaul, she spent the summer months

at Puget Sound, which is Bremerton, up there in Washington

State. This overhaul increased the number of five-inch

guns from 8 to 14. So then she went back to Peleliu. So

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tell me what you remember about -- was that shore

bombardment again for you guys?

DC: Oh yeah. Well, no, they already took the 5/8ths. That was

Japanese territory down there. It’s mostly anti-aircraft

down there.

EM: Mm-hmm. So when you got the new guns, now you were able to

be anti-aircraft as well. Is that right?

DC: Yeah. And all I had to do there was set those charges, get

the ammunition to the guns. In other words, I was

communicating with the people in line at the conveyor belt.

EM: Mm-hmm. So did that system work a lot better than the...

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: A lot more modern, I bet.

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: Well, when you weren’t at your battle stations, where were

you stationed on the Mississippi? What was your post?

DC: We stayed at the gun shack.

EM: In the gun shack?

DC: They called it a gun shack.

EM: Now, where was it?

DC: It was right where all the guns are. It was right next to

where they sold the clothing. And you know they took 70

tons across and aboard ship one time. And when the control

people checked up they said they were 20 tons short. All

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those deckhands carried a can of peaches. If sailors

wanted -- give me that case -- they’d take that case of

peaches.

EM: And stick it down in a locker or something.

DC: A case of peaches would go nowhere.

EM: It’s amazing. 20 tons of supplies disappeared, huh?

DC: Yeah.

EM: It’s amazing how that works.

DC: And we was -- we had eggs down in our conveyor belt. And

the old skipper -- I forget which one it was -- he come

down to the storeroom to buy him some clothes. We’re

sitting there cooking breakfast. He ate breakfast with us.

EM: Now, who was this?

DC: One of those commanding officers.

EM: Really? You had a commanding officer came down and ate

breakfast with you?

DC: Yeah, didn’t say a word.

EM: And he knew those eggs weren’t legitimate eggs, right?

DC: I guess so. But he enjoyed it. And everyone says get

Pearl Harbor. Somebody says they’re getting sloppy drunk.

He said, “I don’t care how drunk they get just so you're on

the ship when we leave.”

EM: You can always sober up later.

DC: Yeah. We had good captains.

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EM: It sounded like he was. What was the food like aboard the

Mississippi?

DC: It was real good, I think. They’d make us canned hams. We

had a bakery there. They’d get that canned ham about that

big.

EM: About 18 inches?

DC: Oh yeah. You go down and get a fresh loaf of hot bread and

cut a slice about that thick.

EM: That sounds like a good ham sandwich.

DC: Yeah.

EM: Hmm. What about ice cream? I’ve heard that

had ice cream aboard.

DC: I never did see much ice cream.

EM: You didn’t see much ice cream?

DC: Or fresh fruit. I know when we come through the Panama

Canal after the war, four or five of us went together and

bought a whole damn stalk of bananas.

EM: Been a long time since you’d seen a banana, I bet.

DC: Oh yeah, that’s right. You don’t get no fresh fruit.

EM: Did you ever get seasick?

DC: Never did but I was scared one time because we had a -- we

was in a typhoon, 118-mile-an-hour wind out there. Those

waves were so high you couldn’t even see the other ships.

We’d go down, they’d come up, just like that, no ship rock.

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EM: Well, I guess it’s good to be on a battleship if you’re

going to be in a typhoon.

DC: Oh yeah, topside, too. I was topside the whole time.

Well, like that support hole, everything was sealed off.

It lasted about six hours. We just rode it out. That’s

the only time I was really scared.

EM: Really? You weren’t scared when you were...

DC: And I never did get seasick, never did.

EM: Well, that’s good. You know, they lost a lot of

destroyers. They just broke up and sank or just rolled

right over in some of those typhoons.

DC: That’s right.

EM: But the battleships tended to be able to weather.

DC: Those tin cans, they’re just floating around out there.

EM: Yeah, bobbing around, huh?

DC: Yeah.

EM: Hmm. Okay, well I’m reading here about the Mississippi.

She supported the landings at Peleliu and then assisted in

the liberation of the Philippines, shelling the coast of

Leyte. So you must have gone up and been a part of the

Philippines.

DC: Yeah.

EM: So was that, what, more of the same, shelling, bombarding

shore?

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DC: Yeah, Leyte is.

EM: What about airplanes? Were you being attacked by Japanese?

DC: Oh yeah. See, we took two suicide planes.

EM: ?

DC: In fact, I was standing watch out from 8:00 to 12:00 watch

-- I mean, 8:00 to 4:00 watch. I just got through eating

lunch. They got on this turret -- I was on the aft deck

right at noon when he hit the ship, cut them guns off just

like he was cutting a weed. And the impact blew me

backwards. It cut my head up here. I don't know what cut

it. I think that helmet I had when they hit that deck.

And all that fuel, hydraulic fuel and all that stuff is all

over you -- and, of course, they took me down to sick bay.

And there was people down there hollering, praying, legs,

arms cut off. And I had two rings on, a navy ring and a

high school ring. My chief come down and take care of me.

The sick people come by wanting to give me some blood

plasma. I said no, you have somebody worse than me. I

didn’t need it. And old chief got those rings off and put

them in his pocket. And that’s the only time we went with

K rations. They told chief, says, “You don’t eat the K

rations. I’ll bring you something to eat.” So he brought

me chief’s food that day.

EM: Really?

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DC: Yeah.

EM: Real food, huh?

DC: Real food.

EM: Now, so tell me about the cut on your forehead. I mean,

was it real deep, or you just -- right there at the brow

above your eye?

DC: Yeah, right through there, yeah.

EM: Mm-hmm. So you figure it was your helmet that just caught?

DC: I figure that’s what I figure it is.

EM: Now, did you see this airplane coming? Or did this catch

you by surprise?

DC: Oh no, it was a surprise.

EM: So you were on the aft deck. And all of a sudden, bang.

DC: Bang. It hit forward to aft.

EM: Kind of along the length of the ship.

DC: All on the starboard side. And then, they took another one

on later on in one of those operations. I forget which one

now. He would set right at dusk, which is the side of the

ship. And the only one killed was the chaplain.

EM: Really?

DC: Yeah, Floyd Woodrow, Woodrow Floyd. He was our chaplain.

EM: Killed the chaplain, and that’s the only person?

DC: That’s the only one.

EM: Now, this is all, what, during the Leyte Campaign?

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DC: It’s down at -- yeah.

EM: Mm-hmm. So the Mississippi is kind of drawing the

attention of the Kamikazes.

DC: Oh yeah. And then we got into that big sea battle down

there that night.

EM: That’s right. She was part of the big battleship battle.

DC: Yeah.

EM: Tell me about that.

DC: Well, we were bombarding Okinawa all day. They constantly

had three-foot walls. The Japs said we couldn’t tear it

down, but we tore it down. It’s in there. It shows you a

picture.

EM: Now, this is Okinawa now.

DC: Okinawa. The Japs said we couldn’t tear it down, but we

tore it down. We had 12 rounds of ammunition left. We

went back in Leyte -- that’s down in the gulf down there --

to take on some -- the ammunition ships was in there

waiting on us. We were going to take ammunition on that

next day. And the skipper come on and told us to be

prepared for a sea battle at midnight. So we didn’t know

what to do. We didn’t have but 12 rounds of ammunition

left.

EM: Twelve?

DC: Twelve rounds is all we had left.

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EM: That’s it?

DC: That’s it, 12 rounds, 14 ammunition.

EM: Boy, you’d better make each shot count.

DC: So anyway, back officer lit the bay up just like daylight.

The PT boats hit them first, and then the destroyers hit

them. And the cruisers hit them. The battle (inaudible)

finished them off.

EM: Now, this is the Battle of Surigao Strait, right, part of

the ?

DC: Yeah.

EM: So the Mississippi, did she use up her last 14 rounds?

DC: Yeah. We shot off 12 at one time -- direct hit.

EM: On what, a battleship?

DC: On a battleship, yeah. And the next morning you’d see dead

Japs all the way down.

EM: Really?

DC: Yeah. They was right into the mouth of the opening of the

bay, coming in on us.

EM: Yeah. Now, did they use the five-inch guns against them?

DC: No, we didn’t use the five-inch. We couldn’t shoot that

far.

EM: Yeah, you were out of range, huh?

DC: Yeah, out of range.

EM: And there were other battleships there too, huh?

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DC: Oh, I’m sure, yeah. I forgot how many. They’d have blown

that place all to pieces if they got in there.

EM: Yeah, they would have.

DC: With all that ammunition.

EM: That’s right, that’s right. So if your five-inch gun was

primarily used for anti-aircraft activity, how many

aircraft would you say you guys were able to shoot?

DC: It’s in that book there.

EM: Oh, it’s in the book? It’s a bunch, huh?

DC: Well, it’s right at the end. It’s some of the last pages.

It shows how many -- no, that’s too far.

EM: Back at the end?

DC: Yes, right at the end, right there.

EM: And what about your ? Did you guys feel like you

got some of them?

DC: You mean aircraft?

EM: Yes, sir.

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: How did it feel when you shot one down?

DC: You’d holler.

EM: You did?

DC: Yeah.

EM: What would you holler?

DC: Well, this emotional thing.

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EM: Well, I guess it felt good to be on the winning side on

these battles, huh?

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: So how many guys worked with you on this gun? You guys had

a team, didn’t you?

DC: Oh, there’s about 10, 12.

EM: Were you pretty close to these guys?

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: Were you guys real brothers?

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: Did you stay in touch after the war?

DC: Yeah. That’s why we had this reunion, yeah.

EM: And where was the reunion?

DC: This year it was in Branson, Missouri.

EM: Okay. That was the last one, huh?

DC: You’d get a $39 room for a week.

EM: That’s a great deal.

DC: Yeah.

EM: So how many of you guys went to this?

DC: Oh, it started out pretty good. It was usually about 250.

And then I’d say the last one was about 75. They have a

big hot tamale deal one night and visitation. Do what you

want to.

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EM: Mm-hmm. So you got a chance to see some of the old guys

again, huh?

DC: Oh yeah, all those ones you used to take liberty with.

EM: Really? You guys didn’t swap a bunch of stories, did you?

DC: No. But, you know, most of them drank beer then. They

don’t drink beer now. They drink coffee. Most of them all

quit drinking beer.

EM: Did you?

DC: I don’t drink beer no more. I haven’t had a drink since

five, six years.

EM: Really? Well, alcohol’s hard on you.

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: When you’re young you can take it. But when you get old

you can’t.

DC: Oh yeah. That’s when you get down there. It’s that old

(inaudible) beer down there for, I don’t know, 15 cents a

bottle, I guess.

EM: Really?

DC: Pearl Harbor.

EM: Yeah. Now, did you go back to Pearl Harbor at all during

the...

DC: Oh yeah. We’d go back and forth to Pearl Harbor.

EM: Mm-hmm. And so, you got liberty and were able to go into

Honolulu?

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DC: Oh yeah.

EM: What was Honolulu like during the war?

DC: Well, it was -- of course, they had a blackout every night.

And my uncle, he was in charge of one of them tugboats. So

I’ve sat two or three stretches with him. Old skipper let

me go over there. If he was there for 30 days, I’d go over

and stay a couple of days with him. All they do is tell

them where he’s at.

EM: Well, I guess if it’s liberty you can do pretty much what

you want to do as long as it’s not illegal.

DC: That’s right.

EM: So riding on a tugboat with your uncle’s okay.

DC: That’s right. And the (inaudible), you know, when I got

out of the service with the money I made, the money that I

saved, sent my wife, and her working, I had enough money to

build me a house.

EM: Wow. That is something.

DC: I never owed a nickel in my life.

EM: That’s a good record.

DC: I never borrowed no money.

EM: Didn’t have to.

DC: Didn’t have to.

EM: That’s good. That’s good.

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DC: Over there you’re not just -- you go fourteen months, and

seven months I didn’t even get off the ship, stayed right

on the ship for seven months.

EM: Well, there’s a whole city there, so you don’t really have

to get off.

DC: Anyway, I’d draw -- we got paid every two weeks. And I

withdrew maybe $5, just enough to buy soap, toothpaste,

that kind of stuff.

EM: Did you ever gamble with any of your money?

DC: No.

EM: Some of the boys did, didn’t they?

DC: Oh, you bet.

EM: Some of those poker games got pretty wild, I heard.

DC: The only gambling I done was anchor pool. That was a

dollar. It’s for the minute they drop the anchor. They

would come over. And I won it one time.

EM: So it’s people guessing on what the time is that they drop

anchor?

DC: They said only 60, 60 minutes.

EM: Yeah, okay. So you won? How much did you win, a bunch?

DC: Fifty-nine dollars.

EM: That’s a lot of money back then.

DC: Sure it was.

EM: That’s a real jackpot.

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DC: Yeah. That’s the only thing I ever gambled on.

EM: Hmm. Now, the Mississippi, you were telling me earlier,

she was at Okinawa. And she shelled the Shuri Castle that

was -- I think you made reference to it.

DC: Yeah. What, have they got a picture in the book here?

EM: Yeah, somewhere in here. When did they give you this book?

This is the USS Mississippi.

DC: You know, I don’t remember.

EM: There’s some great photographs in there.

DC: That’s the castle right there.

EM: A German map of Shuri Castle. There’s not much left after

you guys got through with that castle. I’m just looking,

for the purposes of the recording, at some photographs from

the book USS Mississippi, ’41-’45, which David has here at

the interview. It has photographs of Shuri Castle. And

there is not much left after the bombardment by the great

naval ships, including the Mississippi. Man, that’s

something. So did you get close enough to Okinawa to see

the island?

DC: No.

EM: So you guys were...

DC: Well, we could see the island, but we couldn’t...

EM: See anything else?

DC: The only thing you could see is smoke.

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EM: Can you -- is it true that you can actually see the shells

from those big 14-inch guns when they go in?

DC: You could see, but you couldn’t see where it hit because...

EM: It’s too far away.

DC: See that shoot 20 miles. On a ship, you could see 22 miles

from here to the horizon. That’s what they claim. I don't

know. They said you can see 22 miles. But that’s on a --

we never did see many ships on there that night. Most all

of it was anti-aircraft.

EM: So you did a lot of bombarding, what, at night or during

the day or both?

DC: During the daytime, daytime. See, we had a lot of

reconnaissance planes. They’d fly around, get our targets

for us.

EM: Now, you weren’t using the five-inches for these either.

You were using the 14-inch?

DC: Fourteen-inch, yeah.

EM: Yeah. So your primary role is looking for enemy aircraft.

DC: Yeah.

EM: Now, according to what I’m reading here, a hit the

Mississippi at Okinawa also.

DC: Yeah.

EM: Is this the one that killed the chaplain, you think?

DC: Killed the chaplain.

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EM: My goodness. And where were you when that happened? Were

you at your battle station?

DC: No. We weren’t even at battle quarters.

EM: You were in the gun shack?

DC: No. I think I was eating dinner, I believe.

EM: Oh, really?

DC: Yeah.

EM: My goodness.

DC: He hit us right at dusk, about 6:00, I guess.

EM: Mm-hmm. Now, during the time you were in the South

Pacific, did you get letters from your wife? And did you

write letters? I mean, how was the communications going --

pretty good?

DC: Well, she could spot pretty close where I was everywhere

when I was in South Pacific. The simple reason was because

when I left I says the closest island I’m at, I’m going to

start with that letter. Like, if I’m at Okinawa I’m going

to start with an O. If I’m in the Philippines I’m going to

start with a P. She could spot me.

EM: So your little code let her know kind of where you were?

DC: Yeah.

EM: I’ll be darned.

DC: And see, we had a memorandum every day, visited old Tokyo

Rose every morning give all that propaganda.

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EM: So did you actually listen to Tokyo Rose?

DC: Oh yeah, we listened to her.

EM: Really? What did you think about what you heard?

DC: Bunch of baloney.

EM: But how in the world she found out all that information...

DC: I don’t know either. All of it’s false.

EM: Well, sometimes she knew stuff that was right, though. It

was the spin she put on it that was the problem.

DC: And you know, when we was in Japanese territory, they paid

us in Jap money.

EM: What?

DC: Yes.

EM: Really?

DC: Yes. They paid us in Jap money when we was in Japanese

territory, yens and [cents?]. I’ve still got some of that

old stuff at home.

EM: Not worth much.

DC: It ain’t worth nothing.

EM: Well, I am surprised they wouldn’t pay you in American

money. Maybe that was so that if -- well, you weren’t

going to be going ashore to spend money then because the

war was still on. Now, when they dropped the atomic bombs,

that’s when I guess you knew the war was just about over,

huh?

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DC: Yeah.

EM: How did you find out about that? I guess it came in over

the loudspeaker or what?

DC: Yes, one of the memorandums, I think.

EM: So these are, what, almost like a -- those memorandums, did

you get those every day?

DC: Oh yeah, every day.

EM: So it was kind of like the newspaper?

DC: Newspaper, yeah.

EM: Were you ever figure that you might have to be part of the

invasion of Japan itself?

DC: No, because we knew we were just -- well, we really didn’t

know because we were prepared to go to Tokyo, yeah. We

were prepared to get in there.

EM: And then the great day came when the Japanese surrendered.

DC: Uh-huh.

EM: Now, was there a party? Did you guys have a celebration

when that happened?

DC: Oh, yes. There’s a big picture show that night, movie

picture show. They opened the back deck, turned that big

camera up there and it all got back at you. We had a

picnic.

EM: They didn’t give you any beer, though, did they?

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DC: No. You had to get it from them islands, and I never did.

They’d go to New Hebrides down there. All them sailors

would give you half a day. But they’d give you two stubs

for a beer, two beer tickets. And all them natives wanted

was cigarettes. I pulled shore patrol one time. Them

sailors tried to dig under the fence, climb the fence,

damnedest things you’d ever seen.

EM: People do silly things during the war, don’t they?

DC: Yeah. And them old sailors down there had sores all over

them. They didn’t (inaudible) me.

EM: Sores all over them?

DC: Yeah, they had sores. You’d see the big old sores on the

leg. They didn’t have no clothes on. Them sailors, they’d

get down on their hands and knees trying to dig underneath

that pit. Shore patrol walk up on them, make them get up.

And then, for the ship, we come through the Panama -- after

the war, we come through the up the

Mississippi River to New Orleans. That’s where I left the

ship -- New Orleans. Well, I had pulled -- I liked about

ten days getting out. So I pulled shore patrol every

fourth day. So me and my running buddy -- he was a half-

Indian out of Oklahoma -- we pulled shore patrol together.

And of course they pushed you as a (inaudible) patrol. And

all the sailors coming in from the submarines and all that,

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they had a big fight up there. And they’d go get

(inaudible) paddy wagon. They’d go and put on in the paddy

wagon. We’d let him out. They’d go get another, put him -

- we couldn’t hold that guy. You’d be seeing all the time

where I put him in the jug. So anyway, they’re pretty nice

in New Orleans.

EM: Mm-hmm. Now, that was in, what, November when you actually

got off the ship and...

DC: See, my wife was there. I forgot -- it’s the St. Charles.

I believe it’s the St. Charles Hotel. They only let you

stay in a hotel three nights, then move you from this room

to one across the hall for three nights. It didn’t make

sense to me, but that’s what they’d done. She stayed there

a week, and then she come on back.

EM: So Okinawa, the biggest problem there was the Kamikaze that

sideswiped the ship and killed the chaplain.

DC: Yeah.

EM: And after Okinawa, the war was pretty soon over after that.

DC: It was pretty well over, yeah.

EM: So the Mississippi went on to Tokyo Bay to be part of the

exercises.

DC: Yeah.

EM: So tell me what you saw there in Tokyo Bay.

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DC: We were scared we were going to hit one of them mines, is

what we were scared of.

EM: Well, hopefully they did send a minesweeper in.

DC: They had minesweepers there. But that’s what we was -- all

the sailors were scared of hitting one of them mines,

because we knew they was there.

EM: Now, did you ever go ashore on Japan mainland?

DC: No.

EM: Did you ever see any of the Japanese?

DC: Just very few.

EM: And I guess you didn’t really see any Japanese aboard the

ship because you weren’t taking prisoners of war.

DC: The Missouri was outside. It was 500, maybe 1,000 feet

beyond us at another pier.

EM: So was everybody on the Mississippi up on deck watching?

DC: Well, not everybody. Some of them were.

EM: Were you?

DC: No. Well, I could see them, but I never did stay up there.

EM: At this time you’re probably thinking, “Gee, I want to go

home.”

DC: Yeah. Of course, they had them bunks. When I first got on

the ship I slept in one of them hammocks. In the South

Pacific, at 4:00 in the morning you’re still sweating. So

then I got me a bed, one of them laid-out beds, bottom one.

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I liked it. And then finally I moved up to gun sec, slept

on a workbench, but my mattress on that workbench, slept

better up there. Nobody’s bothered me up there.

EM: That’s a good idea. So how big was the gun shack, I mean,

physically?

DC: Oh, it was, let’s see, maybe twice as big as this room.

EM: Okay. So this room’s maybe 12x8. So it was maybe 12x16?

It’s a good-sized room then.

DC: Yeah. We kept all our earphones and everything up in

there, earphones. We had to keep them all operating all

the time.

EM: Mm-hmm. What do you think about the Japanese after having

fought them during World War II?

DC: Oh, I didn’t think much of them. In fact, I still don’t

buy much Japanese stuff.

EM: Yeah. So you’re not driving a Toyota, huh?

DC: No.

EM: Do you ever think about the war years after the war was

over?

DC: Well, not too much. Today I think everybody ought to go in

the service. Young people ought to go to the service just

to learn something. I mean, that’s my thinking.

EM: Mm-hmm. Well, what did you learn during the service?

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DC: Well, I learned -- one thing, I learned how to take care of

myself.

EM: Mm-hmm -- self-sufficient.

DC: Yeah.

EM: So when you came out of the service you were a different

person?

DC: Oh yes. Well, I can say I was a little bit, I guess. See,

there everybody takes a crap at the same time. It

literally ought to be 50, and they’re sitting on that one

pot at one time.

EM: There’s not a lot of privacy, is there?

DC: Privacy? They dreaded all the -- I don't what to say. But

it’s all the different wording, you know? They talk about

the head and all that kind of stuff.

EM: Yeah, they have their own language, don’t they?

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: What was your classification when you left the Mississippi?

DC: 3rd class lieutenant, 3rd class gunner’s mate. I was

getting ready to go up for second class, but this Pete

Castelli was at Pete Orchard, Washington. When we went to

Seattle, we went to Bremerton. I come home for 30 days.

Seattle, you couldn’t find no place to stay. So one of my

buddies I went to school with at St. Elmo, he was in the

navy. And they had a house up there with three other

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people. So my wife and I stayed with him two nights. And

I had to get up at 5:00 in the morning and ride that ferry

over to Bremerton. Well, they had that big navy project up

there at Port Orchard. So a bunch of us got into Port

Orchard, Washington at the Port Orchard Navy Project. And

they furnished linen seats and everything -- $28 a box.

EM: What was that big project? Was it a naval base they were

building?

DC: Oh yeah. Pete Castelli and his wife, they had a big USO

party up there one night. And Pete Castelli, dozens of

people from Idaho went. When they bring a beer up to you,

they bring you a whole case, take all the caps off at one

time.

EM: Good gracious.

DC: Yeah, all the caps. So we got ready to leave. Pete says,

“Dave, get that case there. We’re going to take it with

us,” because we had to go around the island in the car to

get to Port Orchard, which is about 50 miles. So I picked

it up, boy, and all that beer went all the way down there.

I said, “We ain’t got no beer, Pete.”

EM: Oh my gosh. You didn’t need any more beer anyhow, right?

DC: No. We had enough that night. That was young days.

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EM: What was the funniest thing that ever happened to you

during the war that you think back on and you chuckle about

the most?

DC: Gosh, I guess the most happiest was when I seen my wife

when we come into Port Orchard.

EM: Now that was worth a smile, wasn’t it?

DC: Yeah, because I had a -- she was at Pearl, Panama. They

had a USO party down there. And I lost my liberty card

there. And I come back and I told the captain, and then I

told the chief. And they said, “Well, it’s too late to

make another. You don’t need it. You won’t get out.” So

anyway, I didn’t know if I was going to get back on the

ship or not if I got off. So anyway, I wrote my wife a

note -- wait for me. As soon as I change clothes, I’ll be

there. When I spotted her I threw it overboard. What did

you throw that note overboard for? That’s the only time

they ever got on me.

EM: Oh, really?

DC: You ain’t supposed to throw nothing over ships. I did. I

just told her to wait for me.

EM: Yeah, and she did.

DC: Yeah.

EM: And what was the scariest moment you had, the toughest

moment?

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DC: The typhoon.

EM: The typhoon was worse than the Kamikaze, huh?

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: You thought it was curtains during the typhoon?

DC: Boy, I thought that was the end of it.

EM: Really?

DC: Fifty-foot, 60-foot waves. Sometimes that ocean was just

smooth. Next time, man, it could be rough.

EM: I guess that makes you respect the ocean, doesn’t it.

DC: And all those people that get killed in that flareback,

they buried them at sea, put a 40-pound slug in each leg,

but them in a sack, put them on a gangplank, call your

name, down they went. That’s the way they buried them at

sea.

EM: There goes a life right there. That’s sad.

DC: Yeah. I tried to grow a beard when I was in the navy.

About three or four days, it started itching. I couldn’t

take it. I had to cut mine off.

EM: But they would let you grow a beard if you want?

DC: Oh yeah. Yeah, you could grow a beard. A lot of them

tried to drink that 190-proof alcohol, too, in Coke. I

never did taste none of that stuff. It didn’t look right

to me.

EM: That sounds like a good way to get seriously ill.

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DC: One of them got sick. We had to put him in the brig for --

he’d get bread and water for three days.

EM: Well, I guess he deserved it, didn’t he?

DC: Yeah. You’ll take a shower, there’ll be about 10 or 12

taking a shower at the same time.

EM: Hmm. Well, that was a long time ago, wasn’t it, David?

DC: Oh, yeah. I know it’s all different now. But, I was glad

I went in the -- I didn’t want to dig no foxhole or

nothing.

EM: So how did it feel when you got back to the States and got

out of the navy? Did it feel like a big weight lifted off

your shoulders?

DC: Well, I really didn’t know what I wanted to do. My job was

offered to me back in El Paso. So I go out there. See,

they paid me per diem at El Paso, but I come to Austin. I

said I’m not going back to El Paso to my draft board,

seeing what they paid me. So me and my wife go out to

Biggs Field. Of course, people had more seniority than I

did. It wasn’t the same. So I come back, went to work for

my dad, which had been one of the biggest contractors in

Austin. It was me and my oldest brother and him. My dad

said, “Don’t build a big forest. Get a little one and stay

with it.” So that’s what we did. Of course, in the

meantime, my dad, he worked in a lumberyard. That’s how

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come I wound up getting that house so cheap. The inside

walls, he’d take a 2x6 and drip it, take a 2x3, had 2x3

walls. He says, “You don’t need a 2x4 inside. 2x4 on the

outside.” That’s what I’d done and done all the work

myself. He gave me the land, two acres of land. I had to

dig the well. That was a dollar a foot then. And then

when the land was high in ’84, I sold out. It was at Oak

Hill. That house cost me less than about $5,000. In ’84 I

sold that whole two acres and that house. I sold it for

$2.25 a square foot, $100,000 an acre. So I figured it was

a good deal. Then I come in and bought that place on

Buckskin -- cash deal all the way through. The man who

bought my place paid me cash. I paid him cash. The post

office bought his place, so he got cash money.

EM: Now, when you got wounded, got your cut on your head, that

qualified you for a Purple Heart, correct?

DC: Right.

EM: And so, you are a Purple Heart recipient. Tell me how you

got the Purple. I mean, what did they do, present it to

you in a ceremony, or did they just mail it to you? How

does that work?

DC: They mailed me -- the first thing they did, mailed my wife

-- my mother -- mailed my mother a letter that I was

wounded. Then they mailed her the letter where I was going

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to get the Purple Heart. And they mailed it to her. It

never was presented to me. It was mailed to me. I’ve got

the Purple Heart at home.

EM: Did they tell her you weren’t seriously wounded?

DC: No. They didn’t say how bad or nothing. It just says

“wounded.”

EM: For all she knows you’ve got one leg left and no arms.

DC: That’s right.

EM: That must have worried her sick.

DC: Yeah. In letters I write, I couldn’t write with my right

hand at all. I had to write left-handed. And they

couldn’t read it, because all this was black, blue.

EM: So you were kind of bruised up on your right arm then.

DC: Oh yeah. So I wrote left-handed. And half that letter was

cut in half, in two where they censored it when I mailed

it. They cut half of it.

EM: Oh, just because of censorship?

DC: Censorship.

EM: So they made paper dolls out of it, huh?

DC: Yeah.

EM: Golly. Well, what else can we talk about -- about the war

years?

DC: There was four of us from Austin on there. I went in from

El Paso through Austin. There was Charles Henry Dahlstrom,

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Charlie Delaney, Marvin Christopher and myself. Well,

Delaney, Dahlstrom and Curry, we were the same division,

same division. And Christopher was in the 6th Division, I

believe. Anyway, and then Charles Henry, they say he lives

here in Fredericksburg. Whether he does or not, I don't

know. (inaudible). So then, he was young. They’d take

him down to take a shower, and that old boy would get a

hard-on. They’d run him around there, and he’d holler

(inaudible) and all that kind of stuff.

EM: Ah, the navy.

DC: It was something.

EM: Well, what else comes to mind about your war years? We’ve

covered a lot of ground.

DC: Well, when I see them old boys now, when we took -- see, we

took everything on board ship at sea except ammunition and

some groceries. We took most of the fuel at sea. And then

we had to refuel the destroyers because they’d run out.

EM: That’s what I’ve heard, yeah.

DC: And then, we’d have to give -- they’d run out of food.

We’d have to send some food over to them. And then when

them destroyers are throwing TNT, you can feel it when you

hit the deck down there. It’s a little jar in the hip.

EM: Really?

DC: Yeah.

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EM: My goodness.

DC: If you made a direct hit, though, you could see that black

oil come up.

EM: Hmm. Okay, what else?

DC: I guess that’s about it.

EM: Whatever happened to the Mississippi? Did she get -- she

got sold for scrap, didn’t she?

DC: Well, it went to Gulfport after, and once it’s in Gulfport

I don’t know. I know when I left it there, the Mississippi

River went down, and the propellers got stuck in that mud.

And I forgot how many tugs it took to pull it out. It

weighed 32,000 tons.

EM: Well, she’s a big ship, big ship.

DC: Yeah, 32,000 tons. And it’s about 12 stories down.

EM: That’s a big ship.

DC: I had to pull a shore patrol -- not shore patrol -- yeah,

shore patrol when I was in Bremerton, Washington one time,

carry a pistol, watch the people working on it. I went all

over that ship, down...

EM: You could see the whole thing while she was in -- was she

in dry dock?

DC: Yeah.

EM: That’s when you realize how big they are, how much of it is

under the water.

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DC: That’s right. But I never did go overboard. They say the

deckhand has to go overboard, get all the little scales off

so they can repaint it. But I never did go overboard.

EM: They never made you scrape barnacles, huh?

DC: No. And that was that holy stone. It’s a brick with a

hole in it.

EM: I’ve heard stories about the holy stone. Not your favorite

tool, huh?

DC: No. I crossed the equator five times.

EM: Did they do the whole shell-back thing with you the first

time?

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: And then you did to the guys the next time, huh?

DC: Yeah.

EM: Have you ever been back to the Pacific after the war? Did

you ever go back?

DC: Yeah, my wife and I, we went down to Pearl Harbor in 40 --

no, ’72. I believe it was 1972 we went back there.

EM: That was before they put the Missouri there.

DC: Oh yeah.

EM: Yeah, that’s where she is now. Okay, well I’m going to go

ahead and end recording here. And I want to thank you for

spending the time with us, David. Like I told you before,

I don’t think we’ve got very many interviews of guys that

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were on the BB-41. And so, it’s really interesting to hear

your stories. And I want to thank you for what you did for

us during the war.

DC: Well, I enjoyed it. After I got in I was happy. Gunner’s

mate, I was happy that I could be that, because when I

first got on I was sick -- disappointed, really,

disappointed.

EM: Yeah, that kind of sick, yeah.

DC: But anyway, after I got on I enjoyed it. I’ll still say

it. Every young person ought to be in some kind of

service.

EM: I agree with you. I think it would make all of us better

people.

DC: That’s right.

EM: Okay. Well, thank you again.

DC: Okay.

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