1260 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. JANUA.RY 22, increase of salaries being granted to postal employees; to the The principal legislative clerk called the roll, and the follow Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads. ing Senators answered to their names: 673. Also, petition of the :Massachusetts Federation of Adams Ernst La Follette Robinson Churches, Boston, Mass., favoring the principle o:t the Dyer Ashurst J1'ernald Lodge :Sh< ppanl antilynching bill; to the Committee on the Judiciary. Ball Ferris Mc Kellar . Shicl
UNAUTHORIZED EXPENDITURES OF PUBLIC ~IO~YS BY THI: NA.VY. Aside from the requirements of the statutes hereinbefore referred to, it is the view of thls office that the maintenance of such a. force or The PRESIDING OFFICER laid before the Senate a com civilian employees as is attached to the board of survey, appraisal, munication from the Comptroller General of the United States, and sale should be subject to control by means of annual estimates transmitting a report relative to the use by the Navy Depart submitted through the Bw·eau of the Budget and appropriations made ment of public moneys, proceeds of sales of Government by the Congress. property, to pay certain expenses, including salaries of civilian Respectfully submitted. employees, of a board created without authority and law there J . R. Mc CARL, for, etc., which was referred to the Committee on Naval Affairs Oomptrollet· General of the United State&. and ordered to be printed in the REcoRD, as follows: NAVAL OIL RESERVE LE.ASE. COMPTROLLER GEX'ERA.L OB' THE UNITED STATES, Mr. CARAWAY. l\fr. President, I giYe notice that to-morrow, Wa&lUngton, January 17, 19f.t. just after the disposal of the morning business, I shall ask that The honorable the PRESlDENT Pao TEMPORE OF THE SGXATE. the Committee on Public Lands and Surveys be discharged from Sm : I ha>e the honor to transmit herewith report to the Congress the further consideration of Senate Joint Resolution 54, intro with reference to the use by the Navy Department or public moneys, duced by me for the purpose of canceling the lease on what is proceeds of sales of Government property, to pay certain expenses, known as the Teapot Dome-that is, oil reserve No. 3-and ask including salaries of civilian employees, of a board created without for its immediate consideration. authority of law therefor, copy of which report is this day being for PETITIONS AND MBMOPJALS. warded to the honorable the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Mr. SHEPPARD presented a petition of the Dallas Shakes Respectfully, J. R. McCA.RL, peare Club, of Dallas, Tex., praying for the adoption of suit able measures for peaceful settlement of international dl~utes, Comptroller Gene-raJ of the United States. which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations. l\1r. ROBINSON presented a petition, numerously signed, of C0MPTROLLJ;R G.&1'"EB.AL OF THE UNITED STATES, sundry citizens in the State of Arkansas, praying that the Waahinuton, Januar-v 17, t!JZ,+. United States participate in the Permanent Court of Inter national Justice, which was referred to the Committee on For To t11e Congress: eign Relations. In pursuance of the provisions of section 312, paragraph (c), of l\!r. DILL presented a petition of members of the Pioneer the act of June 10, 1921 ( 42 Stat. 26), directing the Comptroller Methodist Episcopal Church, of Walla Walla, Wash., praying General to specially report to Congress every expenditure made by an amendment to the Constitution regulating child labor, which any department in any year in violation of law, I have the honor was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. to report that the Navy Department is using public moneys, proceeds Mr. WILLIS presented the petition of Mrs. Anna W. Rom:; of sales of Government property, to pay certain expenses, including sel and 543 other citizens of Dayton, Ohio, praying that the salaries of clvilian employees, of a board created without authority of United States participate in the Permanent Court of Interna law therefor. tional Justice, which was referred to the Committee on For Said board is known as the boa1·d of survey, appraisal, and sale, eign Relations. with headquarters at the navy yard, Washington, D. c., and is under Mr. CAPPER presented a petition of sundry rm·al letter car stood to consist of four commissioned officers an~ a force of about 40 riers of Phillips County, in the State of Kansas, praying that or more civilian employees. It appears to have been created and estab an equipment allowance of 6 cents per mile per day be granted lished to perform certain administratirn duties incident to the survey, rural letter carriers, which was referred to the Committee on appraisal, and sale of surplus naval property located at Washington Post Offices and Post Roads. and elsewhere-duties which would appear properly t " belong to the Mr. CURTIS presented resolutions of McCook Post No. 51, Bureau of Supplies and Accounts, Navy Department. Grand Army of the Republic, of Iola, Kans., favoring the grant The use of public moneys to pay any part of the expenses of the ing of pensions of $72 per month to veterans of the Civil War board of survey, appraisal, and sale is prohibited by section 9 of the and $50 per month to their widows, which was referred to the net of March 4, 1909 (35 Stat. 1027), which reads: Committee on Pensions. ·· That hereafter no part of the public moneys, or of any appropria He also presented resolutions of the Horton Shop Federation, tion heretofore or hereafter made by Congress, shall be used for the of Horton, Kans., favoring the adoption of a progressive pro payment of compensation or expenses of any commission, council, board, gram to lighten the burden of the workers and farmers of the or other similar body, or any members thereof, or for expenses in Nation, which were referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. connection with any work or tbe results of any work or action in any He also presented a petition of sundry members of the Salina commission, council, board, or other similar body, unless the creation County Pharmaceutical Association, in the State of Kansas of the same shall be or shall have been authorized by law ; nor shall praying for the enactment of legislation stabilizing the retail there be employed by detail, hereafter or heretofore made, or otherwise prices on nationally advertised and trade-marked merchanuise, personal services from any executive department or other Gove1·nment which was referred to the Committee on Interstate Commerce. establishment in connection with any such commission, councU, board, He aso presented a resolution of Local No. 4, representing or other similar body." the Association of Carmen, Helpers, and Apprentices of the The salaries of the civilian employees attached to this board are Atchison, Topeka & Sante Fe Railway system, of Ottawa, paid from the p1·oceeds of sales of surplus naval material, and only the Kans., protesting against any amendment at this time to the .net amount of such proceeds, after deducting the amount of such so-called Esch-Cummins Transportation Act, which we1·e re salaries and the expenses of sale, are covered Into the Treasury. Tbe ferred to the Committee on Interstate Commerce. use of proceeds of sales to pay the salaries of this office organization He also presented resoutions of the board of directors of the appears to be In direct contravention of the provisions or section 3618, Chamber of Commerce of Newton and the Traffic Club of Revi ed Statutes, to the etrect that all proceeds of such sales "shall be Wichita, both in the State of Kansas, protesting against any deposited and covered into the Treasury as miscellaneous receipts on amendment at this time to the so-called Esch-Cummins Trans account of 'proceeds of Government property ' and shall not be with portation Act, which were referred to the Committee on Inter- drawn or applied except in consequence of a subsequent appropriation . state Commerce. made by law." This requirement was qualllied by a provision in the l\1r. FESS presented resolutions adopted by the Council of the act of June 8, 1896 (29 Stat. 268), authorizing the depositing and cover· State Pharmaceutical Association at Columbus, Ohio, pray Ing Into the Treasury of only the net proceeds of such sales after the ing for the enactment of legislation stabilizing the retail prices payment or the expenses of such sales "as approved by the accounting on nationally advertised and trade-marked merchandise, which officers of the Treasury." The powers and duties of the accounting were referred to the Committee on Interstate Commerce. officers of the Treasury with respect to the matter of approving ex He also presented resolutions of the Lions Club of Spring penses to be paid from proceeds of sale were transferred to and imposed field, Ohio, favoring the enactment of legislation restricting upon the Compt1:oller General of the United States by the provisions the production of narcotics to medical and scientific need::i, and of section 804 or the budget and accounting act of June 10, 1921 ( 42 suggesting that the Commission on Narcotics hold its inter Stat. 24). By letter dated August 28, 1923, the Secretary of the Navy national conference in the city of Washington, D. C., or in was advised tbat the Comptroller General does not approve the use or London, rather than in Geneva, which were referred to the proceeds of sales to pay salaries o! the office force of the Board or Committee on the Judiciary. Survey, Appraisal, and Sale. The Secretary of the Navy has expressed He also presented a resolution of the Retail Druggist Asso opinion that such use of the proceeds of sale is legal and proper and be ciation of Columbus, Ohio, favoring the enactment of legisla bas not discontinued the practice, which is clearly in contravention of tion repealing the tax on soda fountain sirups, which was re the plain provisions of the statutes. ferred to the Committee on Finance. _,,,,.
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TAX RED'UCTION. depended upon as safe places to deposit funds and sure places for l\lr. RALSTON. Mr. President, the Indiana Bankers' Asso aid in times of distress. It is a myth unmistakably emphasized ovet· ciation held a meeting at Indianapolis one day last week. At and over .again the last few weeks in New Mexico and other places. that meeting a series of resolutions were passed. Among If I properly interpret the rumbling suspicions from coast to coast, them is one on the subject of taxes which I ask to ha-rn made the national banking system seems to be doomed from an evident a part of the record of the Senate. It is short, and if there primary purpo ·e of the Federal reserve sy tem to wipe out the small bank and many of the larger ones. I am amazed that Congre s be no objection, I should like to have it read. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Indiana and the G-Overnment bas thus long permitted the Federal reserve asks unanimous con ent that the resolution may be read. Is sy tern to function pervertedly to its created purpose. I! I am t11ere objection? The Chair hears none, and the Secretary will informed correctly from my readings It is not unusual for the Fed eral re erve banks to make as high as 300 per cent, while banks read. The reading clerk read as follows: everywhere have been strained to keep on going, with no profits at all, and instead of being a big brother to encourage banks to push The reduction of burdensome Federal taxes, at a time when fiscal on and look up they have constituted them elves usurlous over conditions make reduction feasible and practical, is so ob>iously lords, demanding all the profits, assessing all kinds of penalties, and demanded by the people that political obstruction of such a policy of demanding the cream of the banks assets on large margins, and then reducti9n must react on any group of politicians fostering such ob leaving the bank to perish from the drain upon it by panicky de structfon. While we commend, in general, the policy of the compre positors. hensive plan of the Secretary of the Treasury for tax reduction, we A word from t he Federal reserve bank could stop any depo Hor arP. not unmindful of the fact that most of our legislation is a result panic that ever occurred, but neither words nor funds ar ~uppllecl of compromi e, and that there may be an honest and nonpartisan in times of great dist1·ess. The passing of a bank mean nothing to difference of opinion as to whether the maximum surtaxes should be the coterie of theoretical boys and novices running th Federal reserve 25 per cent or 44 per cent, both figures being a reduction from the system in these parts. amassing billions in usurious interest, build pre.·cnt maximum. We believe there is some percentage figure be ing palatial buildings, and employing hundreds of high-salaried ma twe<'n t he two maximums suggested on which there iray be a meeting chines to perform in droves and under stereotyped formula intended of minds aµd a revision of the present tax laws expedited. We be to serve as lighthouses or life-saving stations along the financial coast Jie>e both the Republican and Democratic Parties are patriotic, and in time of deep fog and storm. I fancy that the governing body of we iwlieve their leaders should lnsi t on their representatives in Con a city would not long tolerate a fire department organized and paid grei:i. getting together on this matter without delay. We believe the to extinguish fires who, when a fire started, would spray gasoline grC'atest reduction consistent with raising sufficient revenue should and then run from the explosion and destruction. For God's sake, come on incomes up to $15,000 annually, thus giving relief in the sound the alarm in Congress and balt this Federal re. e1'\e· octopu lnr~<' t possible way to those cla se to whom a tax may deny the before it succeeds in becoming the banking ystem in tcad of a san nece~ itles and comforts of living. itarium for si<'!k bank . Industry, under our system of finance, · is BANK SUSPENSION IN NEW MEXICO. dependent upon credit, and credit can only be supplied from the aggre ~fr. BURSUM. l\Ir. President, I am in receipt of a tele gate savings of all the people gotten together in local banks. Small gram from New Mexico relating to the closing of a bank. merchants, farmers, and stockmen can not find loans from large The telegram contains· certain statements purporting to be banks in large centers. The abolishment of banks in the rural sec facts relative to the treatment accorded this bank by the tions of the country means a blight and devastation beyond the Federal reserve sy •tern. I ask that the teleo-ram may be Japanese earthquake or the Near East relief needs. Congress must prlntert in the RECORD and referred to the Committee on Bank act. I suggest the following as axiomatic: The whole is greater than ing and Currency. any of its parts; therefore the interest of the whole Federal reserve TI1e PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New l\Iex district as reflected t hrough the sundry member banks is paramount ico asks unanimou ' con. ent that the telegram to which he to the fear of taking a chance to save a member bank, the failure refers may be printed in the RECORD and referred to the Com of which would mean, ip o facto, the destruction of thousands of mittee on Banking and Currency. Is there objection? The businesses, homes, farms. and ranches. Bank can not operate without Cliair hears none, and it is so ordered. deposits, and depo ~ its under the present f!tn.te of the public mind The telegram ls a follows : are impossible unle s the public is made to know that the Government FORT SUMNF.R, N. MEX., January 18, 191?4. supervision carries with it the assurance that bank mismanagement Senator H . 0 . BURSU~r, will be stopped in its incipiency and puni~hed, and that deposits are WasMnoton, D. 0.: safe in a national bank. Banks and its depositorR, and borrowerR, The First National Bank closes with thl significant notice on its too, for that matter. can not prevent drought and other misfortunes door: "This bank ls forced to close because of inadequate temporary that overtake communitie , and if experience is to teach them as aid from Federal reser>e bank in order to meet the con tant tem soon as a cloud threatens the Federal reserve bnnk is to demand more porary withdrawals of deposits occasioned by fright on account of the security for its pa t advances instead of coming forward with tem widt>Rpread bank failures in the Stat<'." Just a repetition of tho story porary relief to pass over the threatened crlsi , then it is inevitable from all failed banks. The Federal reserve system ha jumped the to prevent withdrawal of deposits and con. equent bank failnre. tra<'k of its created de ign, created to assuage panic and give elas Banks are es ·ential to the Industrial life of a community. The dev- ticity to money in times of panic and stress. It has come to be a astation occasioned by forced liquidation :ind cloRC'd bank i a domlnatlng dnd overlordh1g creditor demanding the cream of the calamity of such huge proportions that it justifies Government action a 'S<'ts on large margins and tben to I'lltblessly leave its vlctim 'Qank to remove the cause, alleviate the distre s, and reorganize tbe indus to shrivel into death ns the depositors in panic withhold or with trial machinery of the helple s victim . No institution, be it Gov draw deposits so es ential to the continuation of a bank and to the ernment or pri>ate, should be permitted to functlon only ou lead economic health of the community. Public confidence in banks has pipe cinche. and always for profit when the road gets muddy anti gone and with it goes all hope of lndu try so dependent upon credit. some must climb olf to pu b the old Lizzie along. Let the one A few years ago Debaca County had more tban a half million of de who has profited the most from the trip push along, too. If tile posits and prosperity on all sides ; to-day we have no banks and no Federal reserve system must never lose and alwa:y gain, then abolish deposits, distress and poverty driving the people out from their the damn thing quick. If it i · to be the instrumentality for accumulat homes until depopulation is threatened and property values neces ing fabulous f0t·tunes to be invested in open market, instead of serv sarily obliterated. All this while the country is still fundamentally ing t o give relief in clistre s through member bank in time of public sound, the people primarily honest, but only the victims of a panic peril. then its existence i not justified in law nor humanity. l\111- precipitated arbitrarily ns a policy of deflation by the Federal re lionl' of dollars- that have been invested in thi country for homeR, serve system that bas gone beyond all intents and now like a snow treei;:. well , f~ nces. cattle farming, etc., bnvc been utt<'rly Jo~ t sllde is crushing everything In its ever-widening path. I havn a becau ·e of the laclc of support to hold thing on: the force1l and statement issued by the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank a of December bottomless market. Good men, willing to farm and rnise rattle and 81, wherein it reports having purchased in open market securities sheep, with lands and rangei::, are forced to lea\e it nil aucl drag aggregating more than forty-nine million while in all its district their poor families off us tramps into other • ections where industi·y it advanced to its member banks only a little more than eight million. offers them a cbanco to survive. The Government lured them to With so much fund that resort to open market to find in>e tment come here to open the g1·eat West as pion er homesteaders. '!'hey for :;:ix time as much as it would advance to the member banks have fought, conquered, built home , towns, churches, and choo1. , and t hen standing by anrl seeing whole communitie die industrially reared families, and, ala , in three years, be<'ause the Government for funds that could be made available through their local banks urged them to expand to furnish ruents and supplies for tho need ot is n travesty on justice and humanity. The condition of the banks the war. tbey became involved with high-priced cattle and Rhe<' p. is pitiable, cru ·bed betwC'en public panic and Federal reser>e bank Then the same Government, t hrough its stupid or criminal F cdcrnl stupid supersnfety, and the people llave been taught to believe that reserve banking sys tem, nrbit1·arily set in motion a retrencluuent nntiCl nnl bnnk.s a"! members of the Federal reserve system could be policy tlm.t in a swoop devalued every llead of their catUe and
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sheep and rendered them broke, world without end, which, in its turn broke practically every bank in the cattle region. Drought can, the recommendations of the commltte.e, so that the Senate may be informed in ad-vance of the printing of the. report what for three years kept step with the Federal reserve policy, and an is legislation is contemplated. now chaos and ruin, for which they and none of them are to blame. Is thei.·e any wonder that there has been an utter breaking down of l\tfr. BALL. The report very thoroughly analyzes the hear confidence in Government in the minds of the people? They read ings held before the committee, takes up in the body of the how the Government adjusted with big business its investments in report and analyzes all of the recommendations and gives the cident to proposed contracts which the Government canceled after reasons why we are making the recommendation. Of course, the clo e o! the war. They remember how beneficently the. Govern· the report is too long to read all of it,. but I shall read the ment has treated the railroads in guaranteeing returns upon inflated final recommendations, which are given in concrete forIIL- inve tments. Thus was capital placed abo'le humanity. In all this In the first place the committee recommends that a traffic region homes, the bulwark of the Na.tion, have been rendered d~late court be organized, with officials and duties as outlined in without fault and now largely being left in heart-breaking fa.shrnn to the report. I do not know whether the Senator wishes me to wander, God only knows where. The Govei·nment through its agents read all the recommendations as I proceed? Induced the expansion of the. industry of this countcy as an appeal Mr. ROBINSON. If the Senator can state them concretely to the patriotism of our citizenship. I know, for I served on the I shall be glad to haTe him do so. I do not wish to have him draft board and all the other boards of the Government in this county consume a great deal of time~ but I would like to have a during the war, and the Government agency jUst as surely P_recipi summary of the recommendations. tated the retrenchment that destroyed the primary industries of Mr. BALL. r wru give just the recommendations. The our State and is now rapidly carrying with them the banks'" which reasons for them will be found in the body of the report. completes the devastation.. What is a country without industry ; how Second, we reeommend that the number of policemen in the industry with no capital~ how capital with no banks. with no de District be increased 200 ; that all policemen shall be directly posits? I urge that the Government either rehabilitate the banks under the authority and control ot the District Commissioners of New Mexico, Arizona, and west Texas aa, a matter of moral and paid by the District government; that the street railway ebligation, through approp.riatlon therefo:c, or amend the Federal coIIJpanies be no longer permitted or required to pay any of reserve act so as to effect s.eeurity ta depositors, who will then put the traffic policemen of the District and' be deprived of an their small furuls back into banks ~ or arrange for a system of authority over or- connection with such traffic police. receivership that will permit the operation. of banks under tt until An explanation of that recommendation might be required. such time as they be restored to 1.he stoekholde.rs. I urge some In 1899 a law was enacted c<>mpelling the trolley companies action, and please wire me, at my expense, what you think can. be to pay the salaries of all traffic policemen in the city to be done. Our people must have hope to a.~oid utter despair. To save stationed at crossings designated by the railway companies. expense, I ask that you JPndly serve a copy of this telegram upon While those men were appointed as members of the Metro Senator Jo~ and Congressman MORR.OW with the information that politan police fo-rce,. yet the police department had no controI I appeal to the.m as well as your.self. o-ver their assignments and the railway companies paid them. with it J. E. P anm:m. Now traffic conditions as they are in the District, is cert~nly not a wise policy foor the District to. continue, aod we REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. recrunmend that they c ll be placed under and appointed and Mr. HEFLIN, from the Committee on Agriculture and For paid by the District government. estry, to which were referred the following bilIS', reported them Mr. ROBINSON. How many policemen were- contemplated ~ach without amendment: under that plan? A bill (S. 2112) autho1izing the DeI>artment of Agriculture l\fl:_ BALL. The law authorized tlle appointment of 63. to f ue semimonthly cotton-crop reports and providing for but owing to the higher salnries paid by the trolley o_ffi their publication simultaneously with the ginning reports of cials being much greate~ than p:;µd to members of the Volice the Department of Commerce ; and force as traffic officers, the District Commissioners have never A bill (S. 2113) to amend the act entitled "An act authoriz been able to keep the full quota of 63 traffic- office.rs. l\Ie-n ing the Director of the Census to collect and publish statistics have preferred positions as motormen or conductors at the of cotton," approved July 22, 1912. higher pay. :M:r. SPENCER, from the Committee on Claims, to which Mr. SMOOT. l\fr. President--· were referred the following bills, reported them severally with The PRE..';ID~-G OFFICER. Does the Senator from Del out amendment and submitted reports thereon: aware yield to the Senator from Utah? A bill ( S. 55) making an appropriation to pay the State. of l\lr. BALL. I yield. · . Mas achusetts for expenses lncun~ea and paid, at the request Mi;. Sl\lOOT. Do the 200 additiooal policemen recommen~ed of the President,. in protecting tile harbors and fortifying the cover the 63 policemen which the Senato1~ speaks of as havrng coast during the Civil War, in accordance with the findings of been paid by the street railway companies? the Court of Claims and Senate Report No. 764, Sixty-sixth :Mr. BALL. They do. Congress, third session (Rept. No. 85) ; Mr. SMOOT. So that there would be an increase (}f on1~ A bill ( S. 85) to carry into effect the finding of the Court 13-77 of Claims in the claim of Elizabeth B. Eddy (Rept. Na. 86); Mr. BALL. Yes. 'l'bere are. howeverr only 42 of those men and oo. duty while the- autho.rities are authorized to appoint 63. A bill ( S. 353) for the relief' of Reuben R. Hunter (Rept. l\fr. it:cKELLA.R.. Mr. President, will the Senator from No. 87). Delaware yield to me? Mr. BAYARD, from the- Committee on Claims, to which was The PRESIDL~G OFFICER. Does the Senator :from Dela referred the biil (S. 970) for the relief of the De Kimpke Con ware yield to the Senator from Tennessee? struction Co., of West Ho~oken, N. :r., reported it without M.r. BALL. I do. amendment and submitted a report (No. 88) thereon. Mr~ McKELL.A.R. The facts about the traffic cro~ ii_ig P?· Mr. CAPPER, from the Committee on Claims, to which was !icemen are substantially these: The traetion comparues rn referred the bill (S. 1815.) for the relief of Capt. Murray A. consideration. of certain franchises and privileges given to them Cobb, reported it without amendment and ·submitted_ a report in their charters agreed to pay the traffic policemen. Un?-er (No. 89) thereon. their charters t~y are now taxed for the cost of the e police men. The Senator understands: that proof h:is been adduced 'llRAFFIC CONDITIONS IN THN DISTRICT" OF COLUMBIA. here time and again showing that z:io. traffic policemen are un?-er l\fr. BALL. l\fr. President, daring the· last Congress the the control of. the street car compames; that they flav~ notlung Committee on the District of Columbia was authorized to make to do with them; that they are all untler the police fur~e. a thorough inve tigation of traffic conditions in Washington, The only thing about it Is that the two street car comparnes and to make report thereon during last December. The Senate are taxed about $25,000 a year to pay the saluriei:i of these . was kind enough to extend the time through January in which traffic policemen, which they agreed to pay, as .r have st~ted. to submit the report. The committee now begs leave to make far franchises given. They have already obtamed the uan ifs. report, and I ask that the report be printed as a publle doc chises and now they propose to unload the payment of the:::e ument. police~en upon the city of Washington. That is the 'vhole The PRESIDD.~G OFFICER. The report will be received. truth of it. Is there objection to the request made by the Senator :from r will say to the Senator from Delaware that before be en Delaware? tered the Senate the last time, when 3:Ilot?er S.enator ~as the Ur. ROBINSON. I understand that the committee has spent chairman of the Committee on tlre D1sh"Ict of' Columbia, the conside11ab1e length of time it1 making rtsi investigations and street railway companies were then, just as tlley are now, has reached some conclusion which, if effectuated, will require seeking to get out of this payment, which is demanded in con legislation. I ask the Senator from Delaware to state, if he sideration of their charter privileges. 11264 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-S~N A.TE. JANUARY 22,
Mr. BAYAilD. Mr. President-- Mr. SMOOT. Does the Senator refer to tile recommendations Tl.le PRESIDING OFFIO:C:t. Does the Senator from Dela of the committee? ware yield to his colleague? Mr. BALL. Yes. l\fr. BALL. I presume we are both going to reply to the 3, That the engineer commissioner shaH, within the present fiscal same statement which has just been made by the Senator from year, have made a complete survey of the District with a view to Tennessee [Mr. MCKELLAR], but I yield to my colleagu0 for reporting upon the advisability and practicabllity of widening such that purpose. si:reets as now have a width of sidewalk in excess of width of roadway, Mr. BAYARD. Mr. President, I merely wish to state to the of designating certain narrow streets as one-way thoroughfare, and of Senator from Tennessee that I think he is misinformed in re designating as boulevards certain main arteries leading into the ~ea1i: gard to this matter. of tlie city, and requiring all vehicular traffic to come to a full l\lr. McKELLAR. 1'\'hat I have stated came out at the hear stop before entering upon or crossing such boulevards; the designat ings. The chief of police testified what I have stated, as I ing of those streets and thoroughfares upon which shall be painted tecall. white lines to guide and control the direction and movement of traf :Mr. BA.YARD. In 1899 Congress made it compulsory upon fic, both vehicular and pedestrian; the designating of parking spaces the street car companies to furnish a certain number of police and the time limits ·therefor ; and such other details of survey as are men-I think some 63. As a matter of fact, at the present mentioned in this report, together with those that may seem advisable time I think there are some 43 such policemen, who are paid and necessary to turn~h the most complete possible survey as contem by the street car companies. If 63 such officers were paid, it plated. would amount to some $130,000 a year. The present rate of 4. That all alleys in the business section of the city between Massa payment amounts to about $85,000 a year, which is paid by the chusetts and Pennsylvania Avenues and Fifth and Eighteenth Streets street car companies. be made one way, and that all vehJcles entering or leaving an alley I beg the Senator from Tennessee to remember this phase of be required to come to a full stop before reaching the sidewalk line, the subject : Those men are taken over by the Metropolitan and that within the same zone no parking in excess of one hou1· be police force ; they can only be used at street car cros ings permitted at any place. for traffic duty at those points, and for no other :Metropolitan 5. That the placing of regulation police traffic signs be considered police duties. They are absolutely confined to traffic work. notice of the putting into effect of a traffic regulation, and that all It is true that the street car companies pay their salaries, but parking signs except the official police signs be prohibited. their duties are circumscribed· and they can not pe used as the 6. That the owner <>f a vehicle, automobile or otherwise, be held ordinary force can be used. legally responsible for offenses against parking and other minor traffic Mr. l\IcKELLAR. I will merely say that what I have stated regulations. was the testimony which was adduced before the previous com 7. That a system of citizens' cards, such as outlined herein, be put mittee. I do not know what has been testified lately about into effect by the traffic bureau. it, but it was testified that every policeman in the city of 8. That all offenders be required to appear in person before the Washington was directly under the control of the pollce authori traffic court or traffic officer, and that no forfeiture of collateral be ties, and that the street car companies have nothing in the accepted, but that warrant issue for anyone not appearing as re· world to do with the crossing policemen except to pay their quired. salaries, which they agreed to pay in consideration of the 9. That the operator's license card plan in colors as herein outlined be franchises given to them. put into force and elrect, together with tho proposed revocation or Mr. BALL. Mr. President, I wlll reply to the Senator from operators' licenses or permits, and that the C-0ngress enact a law em Tennessee briefly. While these traffic policemen when ap bracing the fines and imprisonment penalties set forth in this report. pointed are really under Inspector Headley, of the traffic force, 10. That all-night parking in the streets and alleys of the built-up yet he has no discretion as to their placement. Under the residential and business sections be strictly prohibited. agreement with the street railway companies they are placed 11. That the time for the purchase of license tags be not extended at certain crossings, where they are needed during certain beyond January 1 of each year, but that citizens be required to ob- . parts of the day but are not needed during other parts of the taln same before that time, as is done in many other jurisdictions. day, when they could be used in other sections of the city. 12. That there be adopted a system of registration of automobile The police authorities, however, have no control over their titles in the District, under the direction of the traffic department, and that all owners of automobiles operated in the District be re transfer; they are placed only at those crossings, and can not quired to register the title thereto and obtain a certificate of title. be used in any other part of the city. 13. That the use of other than approved headlight lenses be pro l\Ir. l\IcKELLAR. l\Ir. President, I recall that five or six hibited and that persons selling automobiles be required to equip same years ago, when former Senator Smith, of Maryland, was chair with such . approved lenses as may be designated by the Bureau of man of the District Committee, he made exactly the same argu Standards; and that the use of dimme1·s or dim lights be prohibited. ment that the present chairman of the committee is now making 14. That all visitors to the District be required to obtain a visitor's upon a blll by which it was proposed to change the law. The tag, without cost, within 72 hours after notification from the police, matter went over, and upon investigation it was found that as outlined in this report. the traffic police were absolutely under the control of the 15. That bicycle riders be required to obey and observe all traffic police authorities, just as any other policemen were, and that regulations. the only purpose of the measure then pending was not to se- , cure a better control of the police force, but to allow the two The body of the report goes into all of these recommendations street car companies to avoid a provision of their charter which very thoroughly and gives the reasons for them. Mr. President, required them, for the franchise they received and which they I ask that the report may be printed. are still using and for which they are now taxing the street The PRESIDING OFFICER. The report will be printed car users of the city of Washington, to pay about $25,000 under the rule. (Report No. 84.) apiece, as I remember the amount, which they had agreed to BILLS AND JOINT RESOLUTION INTRODUCED. pay for their privileg~s and franchises. That is all there is Bills and a joint resolution were introduced, read the first to it. The street car companies have been attempting that for time, and, by unanimous consent, the second time, and referred years. • as follows: Mr. OURTIS and Mr. BAYARD addressed the Chair. By Mr. RALSTON: . . The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator from Dela A bill {S. 2155) to amend and modify the war risk insurance ware yield; and if so, to whom? act ; to the Committee on Finance. Mr. BALL. I yield first to the Senator from Kansas. By Mr. McKELLAR: l\lr. CURTIS. I merely wish to make a suggestion. A num A blll ( S. 2156) granting an increase of pension to Oharles ber of Senators have committee meetings, and they came here Connor (with accompanying papers) ; to the Com.mitt~ on for the purpose of transacting morning business. In the Pensions. morning hour debate is supposed to be limited, and, in view A bill ( S. 2157) providing for a report on the cost of im of the debate that is going on, I ask the Senator from Arkansas proving and maintaining a road running up Lookout Mountain if it will not be agreeable to him if the Senator having to Point Lookout, a Government reservation; to the Committee charge of the bill will ask to have the report printed, so that on Post Offices and Post Roads. it may be discussed at some other date? By Mr. LODGE: Mr. BALL. I was going merely to read briefly without dis A bill (S. 2158) to authorize the presentation of a medal of cussion or explanation the recommendations made which will honor to Technical Sergt. Levi E. Folk; United States Army, take a very few minutes more. retired (with accompanying papers) ; to the Committee on Mr. ROBINSON• .Very well. M111tary Affairs.
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by four brothers and one sister of the :wife of Commissioner Glassie; By Mr. BUilSUM: A bill (S. 21G9) authorizing annual appropriations for the and further, that one of these brothers is the manager of the plan maintenance of that portion of the Gallup-Durango highway tation owned by the corporation ; and aero. s the Navajo Indian Reservation and providing reimburse Whereas this corporation is directly and flnanciaIJy interested in ment therefor; to the Committee on Indian Affairs. the hearings now proceeding before the Tariff Commission under A bill ( S. 2160) to cede unreserved public lands to the several the so-called flexible provisions of the Fordney-McCumber Tariff Act States; to tlle Committee on Public Lands and Surveys. of 1922 to determine what lncrea e or decrease in the existing Mr. BROOKHART. I introduce a bill dealing with inland duties upon sugar · shall be recommended to the President of the waterways, which I ask to haYe referred to the select com United States; and mittee of whlch the Senator from Illinois [Mr. McC01nncK] Whereas the property interests of Commissioner Glassie's wife and her brothers and sister in the results of the Tariff Commission's is chairman. investigations, findings, and recommendations concerning the sugar ~'he PRESIDING OFFICER. At the request of the Senator schedule of the tariff act constitutes for Wm a disqualifying interest introducing the bill, it will be referred to the select committee under the legal ma.rim that " a person can not be judge in his own dealing with the subject. case, and any interest in the subject of a suit will disqualify a judge . By Mr. BROOKHART: to preside in the trial thereof " ; and A bill ( S. 2161) providing for the construction of certain Whereas "the rule ·of disqualification on account of interest in public works, creating the inland waterways · corporation, the subject matter or result of litigation extends to every tribunal and for other purposes ; to the Select Committee on Nine-Foot exercising judicial or quasi judicial functions" (Encyclopedia of Waterway Channel from the Great Lakes to the Gulf; and Law and Procedure, l"Ol. 23, p. 5~0) ; and A bill (S. 2162) granting an increase of pension to William Whereas the Tariff Commission has declared in a case now pend· J. oan (with accompanying papers) ; to the Committee on ing before the Supreme Court of the United States that it is exer Pen ions. cising " quasi judicial power and authority confcned upon it by By Mr. McNARY: statute"; and A bill ( S. 2163) to authorize the erection of a Veterans' Whereas Commissioner Gla&sie has asserted, after admitting the Bureau hospital in Portland, Oreg.; to the Committee on property interest aforesaid, that he is the sole judge of his qualifi Finance. ' cation, ap.d that it is his intention to " continue to sit in this case Mr. NORRIS. I introduce two bills prepared by the Depart and in this investigation ' ; and ment of Agriculture proposing to amend certain laws, and ask Whereas Commissioner Glassie's right to sit in this case has been that they may be referrecl to the Committee on Agriculture and challenged by three members of the Tariff Commission ; and Forestry. Whereas his further participation in the case is repugnant to By l\Ir. NORRIS : every standard of justice, and will discredit any findings or recom A bill ( S. 2164) to repeal that part of an act entitled "An mendations made by the Tariff Commission as a result of this in· act making appropriations for the Department of Agriculture vestigation; and for tlle fiscal year ending June 30, 1912," approved March 4, Whereas the Tariff Commission has refused by a tle vote, with Com 1911, relating to the aumission of tick-infested cattle from ml sioner Glassie v
And now- the oppoTtunity is befoTe us to make an important~ con which should have been left beyond the seas and not carried into tribution to the lasting- peace of tl1e world. Municipal law :md its just the confines of this Republic. enforcement make for domestic peace, and international law and courts Distinguished· men from among our own people participated in the to interpret it are e sential to the peace and happiness of nations. formulation of. the articles which constitute thi.s court. Captious A world futernational court is projected, not as a vain but as p. objections and mere partisan opposition· are not valid in the condi practical and rational scheme; and we are invited and importuned to tions which confront us. To say that the articles or the World let the voice of America be heard in- the councils of the nations. Court. are not perfect is not a valid objection. The articles of the The Republics of Europe are as near to us as those of Latin America. World Court are su.fficient to brin~ tbe nations to"'etber for the pur The republican principle applied by the states of the Old World is as po e o!' peace, and of" justice without- which there ought to be no worthy of our approval and support as when applied t-0 the states of peace, and irin.. the plenitude of experience tt shall develop that these the Western Hemisphere. We have no fear of European aggression articles should be rectified and elaborated for their more- effectual upon American shores, either north or south or from east or west. operation, the power resides. in the nations to ord:'.lln proper emenda We have no design or intention ta enter into alUances against any tions. We have- only· to realize that the A'rticleEr of Confederation country, government, or people in the world. brought the . American colonies together fo.r the establishment of our The righteousness of America and the strength of our free people independence, and that after having accomplished this greltt: thing, are adequate to the protection of our political ind~pendence and these articles were· found not"" to be ·· effectual in administration, and territorial integrity. There are none who will deny or challenge the Congress ot. the. States in the Confederation pass d an act call this position. But we can not be truly happy by ourselves, we can ing a convention for the- m:nendment ot these articles ; and this great not be content" to hide the light of America under a bushel. The light convention, under the presidency of Washington, brought forth the of America must be exalted where all the world may see in our Constitution of the United. Stattl~ which i ar once the glory and the great country, not the strength of an aggressor against the rights strength of our country. From. ou:n Constitution have flowed the of those whom we recognize as our equals among the nations, but blessings of liberty and internal peace to all the generation - of our. shall see America revealed as the cliampion of peace and of. justice people. We can not stand in the way of the cstnbliSbJ:nent of" a in all that concerns the relations of equal states ln the modern world. judleial institution from which the blessings of peace and justice may Arrd if I wer-e in a word to denote the aspiration of America in t!ow to all the· peoples of the earth as they have orgnniried the mem. international atrairs, I would' say- that the aspiration of America bers into states and governments.' The order of the world may be is for peace !J.nd fOr justice- in all the world'; and if r were to denote satisfied with nothing less tharr this. In this great business the the objects for which the strength, the military a.nd naval strength, will of the country and the enlightened opinion of our leading men and tbe prowe s of America, in a:ll that that word comprehends, must not be thwarted by partisan.. prejudice, jealousies, and passions. were to be exernd and expended, I would say that the prowess of America mu t stand united before the world, and America may only America shoula be exerted in the defense of peace and justice in stand united before the world upon the foundation of peace and the world. But justice is not a matter of arbitrament by the sword ; justice- for· all the world. It is. enough for us to know that the nor iir peace to be found among the alarms of war. Justice and project for the- World Court of International Justice leads town.rd the peace are matters of law. They exist only in a state of· public light of liberty and peace, and in this light our footsteps must not · international order. The maxinr "inter arma leges silent" states falter, even though the goal is not; in.. it fullness, revealed to our a profound truth, and it is, of course, true that in the clash of arms vision. The course for progress toward peace is· clear befor us. there is no pence as· there ig no law. If, therefore, we are to have We should go forward in agreement and con.cord with the other States justice, and· have the peace- of justice, and no other status of peace which we recognize as eqµals in. the community of nations. To take is worth having, then must we· bring the disputations which provoke another course would be.. untru to our traditions principles; and pro war- into the forum- of reason, to be settled by the judgment, not fessions. Let us be true to the faith of the fathers in· the ultimate of men on horseback, clad in the armor of conquest and unrighteous establishment of.. an order- of peace- and justice- in. the world, and in force, but by the judgment of men who are learned in the principles this faith let us affix our accord to the Permanent Court of Inter of morality and the usages, customs, and comity of states, which national Justice as the most immediate and potential means for this are acknowledged by the community- of civilized nations, and which noble accomplishment. rest for sanction upon the eternal precept of· Almighty God, as far as these have been revealed to the minds of men, and have en THE CREATION OF THE AMERICAN GENERAL STAFF. lightened the- policy of governments-. It is only in a great world Ml'. WADSWORTH. I as.k unanimous -consent to pre ent to court that these principles may be applied, and that international the Senate an article entitled " The- creation of the .American disputes may be resolved and settled by their application. General Staff," by l\laj. Gen. William Harding Oarter, with the The peace of nations means the concord of nationir. The world further request that it be referred to the Committee on l'rint court must- accordingly be set up by the concord of nations. It ing, in order that that committee may consider the advis lJility must" be a process of peace. It must be a process of free national of having it printed as a Senate document acts by uncoerced states. Ir is not an ea y thing to bring the The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so nations ot the world into agr-eement. The will of independent ordered. The-morning business is closed. The-- calling of the states must be composed in this great project It is not for powerfiil calendar under Rule VIII is in order. states to dictate teTIDs to less powerful states. It is- not for any REENTRY OF DOMESTIC ANIMALS-C.ONFERENCE REPORT. state to interpose its separate will, arising out of traditional preju dices and racial antipathy, against the will of other states. The l\In. SMOOT. I submit a conference: report and ask for its world must have the will to peace, and the separate will of the immediate consideration. stams muira come into unison for th purpo e of peace, and the The report was read, as follows : projection and establishment of the processes of internaL justice, • from which alone peace may come to the- world and good-will reign The committee of conference on the di~mgreeing votes: of the among. the peoQles of the. earth. two Houses on the amendments of the· Senate to the jo:nt reso The Worlll, Court can not be set UI! by; any one nation.; the con,, lution (H. J. Res. 82) extending the- time during_which certain stitution. ot this court must be the joint act of all the nations, it domestic animals which have crossed the boundary line into must arise out of the agreement of. nations. To have. brought the foreign countries may be returned. duty free, having met, after nations into agreement- upon a project o! thi kind Is of itself a :Lull nnd free conference, have ag_reed to recommend and clo worthy consummation. Practically all. nations have agreed, but onr recommend to their resnective House as follows: own Government hesitates to affix the national seal to the. protocol That the Senate- recede from its amendment numbered 2. of adherence to the constitution of the "Permanent Court of Inter That the House recede from its disagreement to the: amend- national Justice," which has- been established at The Hague, and to ment of the Senate numbered 1, and agree to tbe srune. the bench of which a distinguished' jurist ft·om among our own REED SMOOT, countrymen has been elected. To refuse to ratify this protocol. will GEo. P. McLEAN, by many be re"arded as· a repudiation. ot the. projects foi: peace A. A. JONESi and justice, to which OUD country has been committed b:t those in Matwr1e1~s on the part of the Senate. authority, without_ regard to their partisan connections. The project W. 0. flA.wLEY, fon the Internal Court o! .Justice ls an American project. It was ALLEN T. TREADWAY; orlginaUy proposed by our Government, and haB had the. express JNo. N. GARNER, approval of Eresidents Cleveland, McKinley, Roosevelt, Taft, Wilson. Ma1wgers O'I the pMt. of the House. Harding, and Coolidge, and by the leading statesmen ot our country. If these men can not speak. for the country, to whom. shall we listen,? Mr. ROBINSON: Mr. P~esiclent, what is the effect of the Surely not the discordant voices appealing fqr a. constricted national agreement? . ! m; surely not the strident voices of alien prejudice, which a:re heard Mr. SMOOT: This has to do. with a measure autborizin1.;. fn different quarters of the land, and ba.ve. their imnulses in passiona the. i·efunding, of duties collected on.. cattle which had been 1924. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SE_;_ :r ATE. 1267 taken to Mexico in order to get feed for them. The time limit Lieut. Commander Richard E. Cassidy to be a commander in i extended to December 31, 1924. the Navy from the 5th day of October, 1923. l\1r. ROBINSON. I understand that fully, but what is the Lieut. Commander Riley F. 1\IcConnell to be a commander in effed of the agreement? the Navy from the 1st day of No\ember, 1923. 1\fr. SMOOT. The first amendment receded from by the Lieut. Commander Ralph R. Stewart to be a commander in Hou~e conferees is a change in the measure, striking out the the Navy from the 13th day of No\ember, 1923. words "the first paragraph of," to correct a mistake in the Lieut. Herbert K. Fenn to a lieutenant commander in the joint resolution as passed by the House. Navy from the 28th day of July, 1923. As to amendment No. 2, where the Senate conferees receded, Lieut. Paul Oas arcl to be a lieutenant commander in the the House provided that the tariff duties collected should be Na"Vy from the 26th day of October, 1923. refunded, but did not provide for a direct appropriation for Lieut. Frank L ..John ·ton to be a lieutenant commander in the the purpose. The Senate provided a direct appropriation for Navy from the 29th day of December, 1923. the purpose, but the House conferees took exception to it and Lieut. (Junior Grade) Alexander Stuart to be a lieutenant in the 8enate conferee yielded. The House conferees felt that it the Navy from the 31st day of December, 1921. was the prerogative of the House to make the appro The following-named lleutenants (junior grade) to be lieu- prin tion, and therefore the Senate conferees receded as to sec tenants in the Navy from the 8th day of June, 1923: tion 2. James Donaldson. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question i · on agreeing to George 0, Farns\>;·orth. .the eonference report. Elmer J. Tiernan . 'l'h report wa agreed to. Lieut. (Junior Grade) Earle C. Peterson to be a °lieutenant in the Navy from the 13th clay of June, 1923. H017RE BILL REFERRED. Lieut. (Junior Grade) Henry L. Burmann to be a lieutenant The follo"\ving bills were sewrally read twice by tlieir title. in the Navy from the 29th day of June, 1923. and referred as indicated below : Lieut. (Junior Grade) John S. Hawkins to be a lieutenant in II. R. 657. An act granting the consent of Congre ·s . to the the Na-ry from tbe 7th day of July, 1923. board. of . upervisors of Rankin and Madison Counties, Mis· .. Lieut. (Junior Grade) Reuben F. Davis tv be a lieutenant in to construct a bridge across the Pearl River in the State of the Navy from the 25th day of July, 1923. 1\fo~;:-;j>; ippi; The following-named ensigns to be lieutenants (junior grade) II. R. 3265. An act to authorize the con ·truction of a bridge in tbe Xavy from the 4th dar of June, 1923: beh ·een the Borough ~ of Brooklyn and Queens, in the city and Rhea S. Taylor. State of New Yorl· ; George L. Richard. II. R. 3679. An art to authorize the building of a hridge George H. Hasselmann. acro:::s the Peeclee Ri-rer in South Carolina. The following-named emdgn · to be lieutenant. (junior gt·ade) H. R. 3680. An act authorizing the building of a bridge in the Navy from the 5th clay of June, 1923: acros Kingston J,ake at Conwar, S. C. ; Carlton R. rl'odd. H. It. 3681 . .du act to authorize the building of a bridge .John H. Willis. ncro~s the Waccamaw Ri-rer in South Carolina; Gunner Clarence ~L ~laloney to be a chief gunner in the Kavy, H. R. 4706. An act to extend tlte time of the Hudson Ri'n'r to rank with but after en ign. from the 2<1 day of July, 1923. Connecting Railroad Corporation for the completion of its The following-named gunners to be chief gunner in the Navy, bridge Hero.. the Hud~on Ri-rer in the State of New York; to rank with but after ensign, from the 24th day of September, an
EXECL'TIVE SR, 'ION. I~DllNA. Mr. CURTIS. I move that the Senate proceed to tlle con Leroy Dearing to be postmaster at Winslow, Ind., in place sideration of executi've business. of W. J. Richardson. Incumbent's commission expires Januarr Tbe motion was agreed to, and the Senate proceeded to the 23, 1924. consideration of executiYe business. After 10 minute· spent in Harvey E. McNees to be postmaster at 'Yinchester, Ind., in execnti"Ve session the doors were reopened, and (at 4 o'clock and place of B. E. Hinshaw. Incumbent's commission expires Jan· 28 minutes p. m.) the Senate adjourned until to-morrow, \Yed uary 23, 1924. · ne. tlay, January 23, 1924, at 12 o'clock meridian. Charlie E. Smith to be postmaster at Coal City, Incl Office became presidential July 1, 1923. NO:MIXATIONS. KA.NSA.. Vertie 0. Booth to be postmaster at Birtl City, Kans., in place EJ'crutii:e no1ninatio11 received by tlze Senate Januar!J ;n, 19.~ - ~. of Kellie Waters. Incumbent's commission expires January 23, PR011IOTIONS IN THE NAVY. 1924. Ueut. Commander Robert C. Giffen to be a commander in the Elmer E. Hilton to be postmaster at Hunnewell, Kans. Office Nnvy from the 24th dny of August, 1923. became presidential April 1, 1923. 1268 OONGR.ESSIO.r:r .AL REOORD- SEN ATE. JANUARY 22,.
KENTlJCKY. ~\EW YOBK. Achsa Kinnett to be postmaster at Augusta, Ky., in ·place of V. H . Lytle. Incumbent's commission expired August 20, Jerome 1\1. Slater to be postmaster at Attica, N. Y., in pluce 1923. of Frank Timm, deceased. James Richtrnyer to be postmaster at Windham, N. Y. in MASSACHUSETTS. place of K. M. Cole. Incumbent's commission expires January l\.Iaud M. Mile to be postmastei· at South Sudbury, Mass., 31, 1924. in place of ID. A. Hunt, resigned. Nell S. Barclay to be postmaster at Hillsdale, N. Y., in pll.Lce MICfilGAN. 1924.of C. S. Mallery. Incurubenrs commission expire January 31. Martin C. Mussolf to be po tmaster at Tawas City, Mich., in William L. FuUer to be po tmaster at Ellerr\'ille, N. Y., in place of M. C . ...,1usolf. Incumbent's commission expires Jan- place of W. L. Fuller. Incumbent•s commission expires Janu- uary 26, J924. ary 31, 1924. Herbert . Gray to be postmaste1· at Saginaw, Mich., in place Stanley W. Par ons to be postmaster at Copenhagen, N. Y., of El 1\1. CosgrO'\-e. Incumbent's commission expirei:! January in place of S. 'V. Parsons. Incumbent's commission expires 26, 1924. Januai·y 31, 1924. Samuel B. Brant to be postmaster at Pittsford, l\1icb., in place Clare L. l\Iasten to be postmaster at Athens, N. Y., in place of of S. B. Brant. lncumbent's commission expire January 26, Korman Cooper. Incumbent's commission expire January 31, 1924. 1924. Benjamin F. Peckham to be postmaster at Pa11lla, l\Iich., in Jennie l\I. Steinhilber to be po tmaster at Beaver Falls, place of M. B. Hawes. Incumbent's commi ·ion expire Jan- N. Y. Office became pre. iuential July 1, 1922. ua ry 26, 1924. 1 Frank T. Swarthout to be postma ter at Laingsburg, Mich., in NORTH CABOLINA. place of F. T. Swarthout. Incumbent's commission expires Lat W. Purser to be postma ter at Vanceboro, N. C., in place January 26, 1924. of J. B. Brown. Incumbent's commission expire. January 26, Orville Dennis to be postma ter at Lake City, ~lich., in place 1924. • · of G. S. Stout. Incumbent's commission expires January 26, Alexander B. Berry to be postma. ter at Swanquarter, N. C., 1924. in place of William Watson. Jncumbent's commission expires .Floyd .J. Gibh to be postmnster at Ithaca, ~lich., in place of January 26, 1924. F. J. Gibbs. Incumbent's commi ion expires January 26, Cyril L. Walker to be postnrn ter at Roper, N. C., in plr.ce JU24. of C. L. Walker. Incumbent's commi..: ion expire January 26, Clara l\"oodrnff to be postmaster at Freeland, :\.Iich., in place 1924. of Clara 'Voo
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William D. McCormick to be postmaste1· at Lehighton, Pa., in Minnie Owens to be postmaster at Dickinson, Tex. Office be place of G. F. Rehrig. Incumbent's commission expired August came presidential October 1, 1923. 5, 1923. Cornelius A.. Ogden to be postmaster at Dewey>ille, Tex. Tillie Bradley to be postmaster at Loretto, Pa. Office became Office became presidential October 1, 1923. presidential October 1, 1923. Olive M. Nash to be postmaster at Damon, Tex:. Office be came presidential April 1, 1923. SOUTH C.ABOLINA. John C. Gee to be postmaster at Call, Tex. Office became Patrick E. Scott to be postmaster at Newberry, S. 0., in place presidential October 1, 1923. of A. J. Bowers, jr. Incumbent's commission expired January VERMONT. 21, 1924. H. Elizabeth Tolbert to be postmaster at Greenwood, S. C., Alfred C. Hooker to be postmaster at Hardwick, Vt., in 1n place of C. R. Calhoun. Incumbent's commission expired place of J. J. Gallagher. Incumbent's commission expired August 1, 1923. August 15, 1923. Katherine L. Buckley to be postmaster at Moultrieville, S. C. WISCONSIN. Office became presidential July l, 1923. Gertrude C. Grinde to be postmaster at Dallas, Wis., in placQ SOU'fH DAKOTA, of F. G. Johnson, deceased. Jessie A.. Gerrits to be- postmaster at Wentworth, S. Dale, WYOMING. in place of J. A.. Gerrits. Incumbent's commission expires James A.. Woods to be postmaster at Lingle, Wyo., ln place Janua.i;y 23, 1924. of J. A. Woods. Incumbent's commission expires January 23. Jennie D. Hansen to be postmaster at Valley Springs, S. Dak., 1924. in place of C. E. Running. Incumbent's commission expires January 23, · 1924. ... CONFIRl\1ATIONS. Bertha G. Moen to be postmaster at Toronto, S. Dak., in plac~ of B. G. Moen. Incumbent's commission expires January 23, E:xecittive nominations confirmed. by the Senate January i22, 11)24. 1924. Hugh H. Gardner to be postmaster at Ree Heights, S. Dak.. l\lEMBERS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD. in place of H. H. Gardner. Incumbent's commission expires Edward H. Cunningham. January 23, 1924. George R. James. Louis W. Carter to be postmaster at Highmore, S. Dak., in UNITED STATES l\lARSHALS. place of L. W. Carter. Incumbent's commission expires Janu Theodore W. Hukriede to be United States marshal, eastern firy 23, 1924. TENNESSEE. district of Missouri. Joseph Fritsch, jr., to be United States marshal, western dis William T. l\IcCown to be postmaster at Fayetteville, Tenn., trict of New York. in place of J. M. Eakin, resigned. JUDGE OF THE POLICE COURT OF THE DISTRICT OF CoLUMBIA. TEXAS. Gus A. Schuldt to be judge, police court, District of Columbia. Thomas H. Spilman to be postmaster at Mission, Tex., in COLLECTOR OF CUSTOMS. place of C. E. Dutro, removed. Andrew Wiedenmann to be collector of customs, district No. Thomas E. Williams to be postmaster at Matador, Tex., in 8, Rochester, N. Y. place of Claude Warren, resigned. PRO~{OTIONS IN THE ARMY. John B. Vannoy to be postmaster at McLean, Tex., in place Fred Winchester Sladen to be major general. of J. F. Faulkner. Incumbent's commission expires January Samuel Dickerson Rockenbach to be brigadier general, In- 31, 1924. fantry. Effie H. Briscoe to be postmaster at Hebbronvillej Tex., in Frank Parker to be brigadier general, Infantry. place of L. L. Luque. Incumbent's commission expires Janu John A.dams Balla.rd to be captain, Signal Corps. ary 31, 1924. Daniel Warwick Colhoun to be captain, Oavalry. Ca s B. Rowland to be postmaster at Hamlin, Tex., in place Abraham l\Iax Lawrence to be captain, Coast Artille~y Corps. of C. B. Rowland. Incumbent's commission expires January William Francis Coleman to be first lieutenant, Medical Ad- 31, 1024. ministrative Corps. Leo S. Spencer to be postmaster at Crowell, Tex., in place of Martin Hamlin Burckes to be second lieutenant, Field Artil- L. S. Spencer. Incumbent's commission expires January 31, lery. 1924. POSTMASTERS. William T. Mcl?berson to be postmaster at Ysleta, Tex. Office became presidential October 1, 1923. COLORADO. Lawson B. Fulgham to be postmaster at Voth, Tex. Office Charles D. Hathaway, Hugo. became presidential October l, 1923. Zina N. Cleveland, Julesburg. Henry E. Cannon to be postmaster at Shelbyville, Te:x:. Office CONNECTICUT. became presidential October l, 1923. Robert Montgomery to be postmaster at Ponta, Tex. Office James V. Golden, Noroton Heights. became presidential October 1, 1923. Albert E. Well.man, Torrington. George E. Neese to be postmaster at Penelope, Tex:. lncum DELAWARE. bent's commission expired October 1, 1923. Howard Sch\veitzer, Hartly. Nora 1\1. Kuhn to be postmaster at Paige, Tex. Office became KANSAS. pre idential October 1, 1923. Stella Sommers, Athol. Francis 1\1. Bell to be postmaster at North Zulch, Tex. Office Mattie L. Binkley, Brewster. became presidential October 1, 1923. George G. Griffin, Clearwater. Connie Stewart to be postmaster at New Waverly, Tex. Le,vis S. Newell, Harveyville. Office became presidential October 1, 1923. Harvey P. l\lcFadden, Natoma. Beulah W. Carles to be postmaster at Muleshoe, Tex. Office Cliff W. Weeks, Osborne. became presidential October 1, 1923. George D. Smith, Pretty Prairie. William R. Williams to be postmaster at Montague, Tex. Earl R. Gi'rnn, Randall. Office became presidential October 1, 1923. Lottie H. Rector to be postmaster at Mccaulley, Tex. Office MARYL.A.ND. became presidential October 1, 1923. Hattie B. H. l\Ioore. Marydel Edna Sirman to be postmaster at Grayburg, Tex. Office Lafayette Iln.ark, Westover. became presidential October l, 1923. NEBRASKA. Velma 1\1. Scott to be postmaster at Graford, Tex. Office be Elizabeth Hempel, Kilgore. came presidential October 1, 1923. Robert Greenwood, Nelson. Nora C. 1\1cNally to be postmaster at Godley, Tex. Office be came presidential October 1, 1923. NEW YORK. Daniel B. Bynum to be postmaster at Eustace, Tex. Office J. l\illton Hall. Brancbport. became presidential October 1, 1923. 1\1enzo K. Husted, Woodhull 1270 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD- HOUSE. JANUARY 22,
NORTH DAK01'A, York, Mr. GELLER, may have permission to address the House Selmar Erfjord, Buxton. for 10 minutes. Genevieve. Gregor, Dawson. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Tennessee asks unani James F. l\1cQueen, Pembina. mous consent that following the address of the gentleman from Porre t Daniel, Sykeston. New York, l\Ir. .MILLs, on Thursday, the gentleman from New York, Mr. GELLER, may have permission to addre s the House OKLAHOMA. for 10 minutes. Is there objection? William T. Utterback, Douthat. There was no objection. Harry B. Kelly, Hockerville. Mr. BOYCE. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to ad Alvin S. Gibson, Roosevelt. dre the House for two minutes. PEN ~ "' SYLV .ANIA. 'l'he SPEAKER. The gentleman from Delaware asks unani Will 0. Depp, Big Run. mous consent to address the House for two minutes. Is there Mary A. Kerr, Boyers. objection? Florence S. Davis, Harmarville. There was no objection. Benjamin F. Jenkins, Jeannette. l\1r. BOYCE. Mr. Speaker, I desire to place myself on rec Lionel W. Stm·ens, Knoxville. ord as firmly in favor of economy in the administration of the :Maurice G. Coffey, l\lill Hall. Federal Government in all of its departments, and also for Seth E. Sterner, Montgomery. tax reduction as far as can be effected consistently with the Agnes 1\1. Whalen, Morris Run. reasonable needs of the Government. Charles Lunden, Mount Jewett. And in this connection I wish to express my unqualified ap Clinton B. White, New Wilmington. proval of what President Coolidge is reported to have said in Teresa G. Burke, Renovo. an address yesterday at the sixth annual meeting of the Gov William M. Thomas, Ridgway. ernment business organization, held in Washington, this city, Albert S. Grosh, St. l\Iarys. as follows: Edward 0. Neubert, Saxonburg. Harry L. Kelley, Slippery Rock. I take tlli occasion to state that I have given much thought to the William A. Bailey, Southwest. question of Federal subsidies to State governments. The Federal ap Nell Blackburn, Trafford. propriations for such subsidies cover a wide field. They afford ample l\Iay Hoadley, Tunkhannock. precedent for unlimited expansion. Benjamin F . Edwards, Wellsboro. I say to you, however, that the financial program of the Chief E.x Helen L. Chaffee, Wesleyville. ecutive does not contemplate expansion of these subsidies. My policy Lewis E. Knapp, Westfield. in this matter is not predicated alone on the drain which these sub John G. McCune, West Newton. sidies make on the National Treasury. This of itself is sufficient cause Carl H . Borgeson, Wilcox. ·for concern. But I am fearful that this broadening of the field of GovE>rnment activities is detrimental both to the Federal Government Verner F . Eichholtz, Zelienople. and the State governments. TEN~ESSEE. Efficiency of Federal operations is impaired as their scope is unduly John W. Jackson, Columbia. enlarged. Efficiency of the State governments is impaired a they Samuel C. Patton, Dayton. relinquish and turn over to the Federal Government responsibilities Thomas E . Jones, Pro pect Station. which are properly theirs. John E. Davenport, Woodbury. [Applause.] WITHDRAWAL. PER CAPITA PAYMENT TO THE CHIPPEWA. TRIBE OF MINNESOTA. l\Ir. SNYDER. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to take E:recu.tive nmnination ·withdrawn froni the Senate Januor-y 22, up the bill (H. R. 185) providing for a per capita payment of 1924. $100 to each enrolled member of the Chippewa Tribe of Minne POS1'MASTER. sota from the funds standing to their credit in the Treasury of Charles C. Young to be postmaster at Jersf'y Shore, in the the United States. It is really an emergency measure. State of Pennsylvania, The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York asks unani mous consent for the present consideration of a bill, which the Clerk will report. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. The Clerk read the bill, as follows : A bill (H. R. 185) providing for a per capita payment of $100 to each TUESDAY, J an,r1.ta1:J 132, 1924. enrolled member of the Chippewa Tribe of Minnesota from the funds The House met at 12 o'clock noon. standing to their credit in the Treasury of the United States. The Chaplain, Rev. James Shera l\lontgomery, D. D., offered Be it enacted, etc., That the Secretary of the I nterior be, and he is the following prayer : hereby, authorized to withdraw from the Treasury of the United States Eternal God, Thou hast. aid that Thou art our Father. How so much as may be necessary of the principal fund on deposit to the we thank Thee, and may we be moved by the sincerest gratitude credit of t:he Chippewa Indians in the State of linnesota arising under and made more susceptible to divine influences. Arouse our section 7 of the act of January 14, 1889 (25 Stat. L. 642), entitled "An spiritual natures into action; awaken our moral affections and act for the relief and civll1zation of the Chippewa Indians in the State lead us into the-di cipline of righteousness. 0 bless and comfort of Minn esot~, " and to make therefrom a per capita payment or distribu the poor and the di. tressed of our land and open the hearts of tion of $100 to each enrolled member of the tribe, under such rules and the fortunate and lead them to alleviate human suffering regulations a s the said Secretary may prescribe: P1·ovided, That the wherever found Keep us loyal to our fathers' God, loyal to our money paid to the Indians as authorized herein shall not be subj<' ct to country, loyal to our -friends, loyal to our homes, and loyal to any lien or claim of attorneys or other parties. ourselves. Through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. The following committee amendments were read: The Journal of the proceedings of yesterday was read and Page 2, line 1, after the word " prescribe," insert " Pt·ovided, That approved. before any payment is made hereunder the CMppewa Indians of Minne sota shall, in such manner as may be prescribed by the Secretary of the RETURN OF DOMESTIC ANIMALS FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES FREE OF Interior, ratify the provi ions of this act and accept same." DUTY-CONFERENCE REPORT. Page 2, line 1, after the word "Provided," insert the word "ftwther." :\1r. HAWLEY, from the managers on the part of the House, Mr. SNYDER. 1\Ir. Speaker, these Chippewa Indians, about presented a conference report on House Joint Resolution 82, 11,000 in number, have in the Treasury of the United States to extending the time during which certain domestic animals which their credit over $6,000,000. The Committee on Indian Affairs have cros ed the boundary line into foreign countries may be have considered this measure carefully and have reported the returned duty free, for printing under the rule. same unanimously. The information we have received since the bill has been reported is of such a nature that we think LEA VE TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE. the measure should pass at once in the interest of humanity. lllr. GAilREY.rT of Tennessee. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous There are many of these Indians without clothing and without consent that on Thur day next, following the speech of tlle gen food, and as there is ample money for them for the relief of tleman from New York, 1Ir. lUILL , the gentleman from New their condition there i no _reason why they should not have it. 1924. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 1271
1\1r. TILSON. Will the gentleman yield? come back on the Treasury for supporting the schools and otber 1\lr. SNYDER. Certainly. things. l\Ir. TILSON. Is there any appropriation carried 1n the In Mr. BLANTON. Yes; but the gentleman from Oklahoma terior Department appropriation bill for these Indians? bases his willingness to withdraw objection because of this Mr. SNYDER. No; the theory was that inasmuch as the amendment, and he says he will put it up to the Secretary of money is in the Treasury to their credit, knowing their neces the Interior to protect the Government. Suppose he does not sity was great, we thought it could be immediately passed by provide a proper means for protecting the Government; then the Senate and the money would be made available at once the gentleman from Oklahoma knows that when this 50-year instead of waiting until the Interior Department appropriation period is up, just about 20 years from now approximately, these bill was signed. same Indians, or their posterity, can come 1n here and ask the l\Ir. TILSON. The ·appropriation bill cai-ries no provision? Congress to make good whatever amount of money is paid out. Mr. CRA1\1TON. If the gentleman from New York will 1\1r. CARTER. Surely they could do that. That supposi allow me, this is an item included in the Budget for the In tion would apply to the Secretary .of the Interior as to every terior Department, as I understand, and there was some dis· other dollar placed in his hands also. Some one has to be cussion in the committee when the Interior Department bill trusted to make these agreements. Congress can not call these was first reported to the House. It was stated at that time by Indians in and make an agreement witb. them. We must trust the gentleman from Oklahoma [l\fr. CARTER] and myself that that authority which has jurisdiction of the matter, which is one great reason for not including it in the bill was the situa the Interior Department, and I think we must assume, since tion with reference to the treaty of 18S9. The committee felt this discussion has been had, which I think will be beneficial, that it was desirable that the bill should not carry a provision that that department will not pay this money out until the that would definitely commit us to the payment, so that there Treasury is fully protected against any future claim. would be no chance in the future of a basis for a suit against Mr. S:NYDER. Mr. Speaker, I will say for the benefit of the the United States on the part of the Indians. I will ask the gentleman and others present that meetings of the councils . gentleman if he feels that the bill fully safeguards the Treasury have already been called for the purpose of regularly and in that respect. legally accepting this money. There is nothing new about this. Mr. SNYDER. Upon that suggestion which the gentleman This is not the first per capita payment by any means that has states the bill was amended to read " Provided, That before been made. It is the regular and orderly way of distributing any payment is made hereunder the Chippewa Indians of the money. Minnesota shall, in such manner as may be prescribed by the l\lr. LARSON of Minnesota. l\Ir. Speaker, if the gentleman Secretary of the Interior, ratify the provisions of this act and will yield-- accept same." 1\Ir. SNYDER. Yes. Ar. CARTER. Mr. Speaker, the objection that our sub Mr. LARSON of l\Iinnesota. A great many of these Indians committee had to this item in the appropriation bill, as was reside in my district. I have made a personal investigation of stated at the time, was that the treaty of 1889 provided for a their econe>mic condition, and I know from that investigation division of these funds 50 years thereafter; that time not hav that there is sore need of this money. I do not believe there ing arrived, and the money being divided among people who is a single Indian in Minnesota who is opposed to this payment. are now living, it was suggested that it might not be a com They all demand it. Whether this whole amount of $7,000,000 pliance with the treaty. Congress has plenary power to handle should be paid now is a matter at issue. It will be a long the tribal funds before a di vision is made, as it may deem time before that is determined. This, however, is an emergency proper and best for the wards. matter and there should be no delay whatever in the passage of nut that does not pre"Vent the contingency of these same this bill, because if there is a delay the probabilities are that wards coming back to Congress and getting a measure passed many of the Indians will die of starvation. sending the matter to the Court of Claims, that is always very Mr. BLANTON. l\Ir. Speaker, will the gentleman yield fur friendly to Indian claims, and should be. This would, perhaps, ther? entail in tbe end a charge upon the Federal Treasury which Mr. SNYDER. Yes. should not come about. Upon having that called to the atten l\1r. BLANTON. The gentleman from Minnesota [l\lr. LAR tion of the committee a few days ago, the gentleman in charge SON] knows that his constituent Indians want this money now. of tbe bill placed in this an amendment providing that before There is no doubt about that. They will be willing to accept any payment is made the Chippewa Indians of Minnesota the whole $7,000,000, but the gentleman does not know what should in such manner as may be prescribed by the Secretary is going to be in the minds of the posterity of tbe Indians, not of the Interior ratify the provisions of this act and accept the yet born, who may come in here 20 years from now and say to same. That leaves it squarely up to the department to pro Congress, pay us back our money. tect the Treasury. That shifts the responsibility from Congress Mr. S.NYDER. That would be impossible under the super to the department, and if the department does not do it then vision that will oversee and have charge of distributing this the department and not Congress is i-esponslble for any charge money. that may come on the Treasury hereafter. I felt that this Mr. KNUTSON. A per capita payment was made these In should be said in order that the department officials may know dians two years ago, and before the money was paid the White the sentiment of Congress when they undertake to make this Earth Indians, the Red Lake Indians, the Leach Lake Indians, agreement. That being the only objection I had to it, I have and several other bands of Chippewas were called into coun no further objection to it. cil, and at those councils they were asked to ratify the regula l\1r. SNYDER. That objection is overcome by the amend- tions laid down by the Secretary of the Interior to protect the ment. Federal Treasury against any comeback years hence, and the l\Ir. CARTER. Yes. same will be done now. l\fr. BLANTON. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? Mr. BROWNE of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, will the gentle Mr.· SNYDER. Yes. man yield?. l\1r. BLANTON. There are 11,000 of these Indians? Mr. SNYDER. Yes. Mr. SNYDER. Approximately ; a few more. Mr. BROWNE of Wisconsin. I have information from. the Mr. BLANTON. And they have $7,000,000 in the Treasury? Menominee Indians of Wisconsin that they are suffering, about l\1r. SNYDER. Between six and seven million dollars. 1,800 of them. They have a fund in tbe Treasury, have they l\1r. BLANTON. And the gentleman's bill permits the pay· not? ment of $100 each to them upon certain conditions by the l\Ir. SNYDER. Yes; it is small, nothing like this one. Secretary, which would aggregate a sum of $1,100,000. If the Mr. BROWNE of Wisconsin. It is a fund of several million gentleman can do that lawfully, why could he not also pay dollars, I understand. over the balance of the $7,000,000? 1\Ir. SNYDER. There is a fund of sufficient size to make a Mr. SNYDER. The balance could be paid in the same way, per capita payment. but it would be very bad judgment on the part of Congress to 1\1r. BROWNE of Wisconsin. Has the gentleman's committee permit any such thing to be done. had any information about that? 1\lr. CARTER. 1\Ir. Speaker, if the gentleman from New Mr. SNYDER. No; we have no bill pending before our com- York will yield to me for a moment, let me make this explana mittee in respect to that. tion, which the gentleman knows but perhaps has overlooked: Mr. CELLER. l\lr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? These funds are also being used in addition to this for the sup 1\1r. SNYDER. Yes. port of schools and the support of other activities about the Mr. CELLER. Do I understand that this money has been burealL If you disburse them all, then this other charge will raised by the sale of lands 1
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Mr. SNYDER. By the sale of timber. starvation without it. I am in favor of the bill [Applause.] Mr. CELLER. Have these Indians any right to bind future The SPEAKER. Is there objection? . generations by this pa3·ment? Mr. KELLY. Reserving the right to object, I would like to Mr. SNYDER. No. This bill simply provides that the In ask the gentleman a question, and that is bow much money dians shall accept this money in lieu of any moneys that may there is now in the tribal funds of the Chippewa Indians? hereafter become theirs. Mr. SNYDER. A tritle over $6,000,000. Mr. -CELLER. Is there anything to prevent future genera· Mr. KELLY. This money is to be paid out of that fund with tions from making a demand upon Congress? the understanding that the Indians in the future have no claim Mr. SNYDER. There is nothing that can prevent anybody against the United States Government? from making a demand upon Congress. In the last six or eight Mr. SNYDER. The gentleman is quite right. years we have held bearings endeavoring to close up the Chip· The SPEAKER. Is there objection? [After a pause.] The pewa Indian matters and to divide up their estate. • Chair hears none. They are outside of the Red Lake Chippewas, and will be The gentleman from New York asks unanimous consent to placed in this position, that there is very little more property consider this bill in the House as in Committee of the \Vhole of lumber or timber upon the land for them to recover, so the House on the state of the Union. Is there objection? [After a money in the Treasury must be very carefully guarded in the pause.] The Chair hears none. The Clerk will repoi.'t the. interest of those unable to take care of themselves. committee amendment. Mr. CELLER. If the gentleman will yield, I understand The Clerk read as follows : fully the need of conservation, but what I wanted to get at was whether there was anything in the nature of a legal binding Committee amendment: Page 2, line 4, after the word " prescribe" insert: "Provfrled, That before any payment is made hereunder the upon the Indian who received this money not to claim it in the Chippewa Indians of Minnesota shall, in such manner as may be pre future? scribed by the Secretary of the Interior, ratify the provisions of this Mr. SNYDER. I will say to the gentleman there is a move act and accept same : Pro'l:ided further." ment on now and has been for years, ever since I have beeu on this commit.tee, to force the Government to pay back to The question was taken, and the amendment was agreeu to. the e Indians whatever they paid out. These Indians do not The SPEAKER. The question is on the engrossment: and agree--the Red Lake Indians do not agree with the rest of third reading of the bill. them-and they maintain that they own more of this property The bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a third time, and are entitled to more of it than any other band of Indians. was read the third time, and passed. and it is a very complicated case. The Red Lakers have money On motion of l\.fr. SNYDER, a motion to reconsider the vote by of their own, and we are now considering a blll in addition to which the bill was passed was laid on the table. this that gives the Red Lakers $50 per capita because they need - MESSAGE FROM THE SE ATE. the money. Mr. OLIVER. The opinion has been expres ed that possibly A message from the Senate, by l\1r. Craven, one of its clerks, action should be taken in conformity with this that will bar announced that the Senate had pas ed bills of tlrn following these Indians from any claim in the future. titles, in which the concurrence of the House of Representatives Mr. SNYDER. So far as the money we are paying in this was requested : per capita payment, we think it will be surrounded by careful S. 49 . .An act for the relief of Elizabeth H. Rice; regulations so that no part of this band of Indians could have S. 113. An act changing the name of Keokuk Street, in the a claim against this money within certain legal limits. county of Washington, D. C., to Military Road; The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the present considera S. 1605. An act for tbe relief of Emma Kiener ; and tion of this bill? S. 1664. An act for the relief of Dr. C. LeRoy Brock. l\Ir. WEFALD. l\lr. Speaker, I want to say, in regard to the The me age also announced that the Senate had agreed to amendment proposed here by the chairman of the Indian the report of the committee of conference on tlle disagreeing Affair Committee, that at the beginning of this session I also votes of the two Hou es on the amendments of the Senate to introduced a bill upon the same matter and my bill was dif joint resolution (H. J. Res. 82) extending the time during ferently worded from the l>ill now under consideration. I hav~ which certain domestic animals which have crossed the bound here an amendment I intended to offer to the bill, but if the ary line into foreign countries may be returned free of duty. amendment proposed by the gentleman from New York is satis SEN A TE BILLS REFERRED. factory, I shall not do so, because I do not want to hamper it. I want this bill to go right through, and the amendment I bad Under clause 2, Rule XXIV, Senate bills of the following titles intended to offer differed from the amendment offered by the were taken from the Speaker's table and referred to their ap gentleman from New York, and I think his amendment is prob propriate committees as indicated below: ably adequate, so, as I say, I will not press my amendment. It S. 49. An act for the relief of Elizabeth H. Rice; to the Com differs in that my amendment would have to be ratified by the mittee on Claims. general council or tribal council, forbidding any claim in the S. 113. An act changing the name of Keokuk Street, in the future. county of Washington, D. C., to Military Road; to the Com Mr. SNYDER. I will say to the gentleman that is exactly mittee on the District of Columbia. what will be done under this provision, only we do not par S. 1605. An act for the relief of Emma Kiener ; to the Com ticularize just exactly what shall be done. mittee on Claims. l\Ir. .TONES. Why not offer it? S. 1664. An act for the relief of Dr. 0. LeRoy Brock; to the Mr. CARTER. Let me suggest to the gentleman the action Committee on Claims. of the council might not bind them. It may take a vote of the I TERIOR DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION BILL. tribe or some other act to bind them. We can not say exactly Mr. CRAMTON. 1\lr. Speaker, I move that the House resolve what is necessary to be done, so let us leave it to the Secretary itself into Committee of the Whole House on the state of the of the Interior, and put upon him the responsibility_of doing Union for the further consideration of the bill H. R. 5078, the thing essential to protect the Treasury. I think it is best the Interior Department appropriation bill. to leave it in the hands of those who have charge of th<.:l ad The motion was agreed to. ministration of this matter and know what is necessary to be The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Connecticut [Mr. TIL done better than we do in order to protect the Treasury of the SON] will please take the chair. United States. Mr. HOWARD of Nebraska. Mr. Speaker, I do not know Mr. WEF.A.LD. For that reason I did not want to press the whether this is the proper time or not, but-- amendment, but the suggestion was made to me by the Indians The SPEAKER. The House has already voted that we go themselves and tho e representing them. into Committee of the Whole, and it is not proper to take up Mr. HOWARD of Nebraska. Mr. Speaker, may I have your any other business. permission to add a statement? Gentlemen of the House, as a Mr. HOWARD of Nebraska. I was just asking for informa member of the Committee on Indians Affairs I was rather tion, so I thank the Speaker. inclined to be opposed to this bill, and here comes to me now Thereupon the House resolved itself into Committee of the your colleague from that district and he tells me and he tells Whole House on the state of the Union for the further con you that without this money many of these Indians will die sideration of the bill (H. R. 5078) making appropriations for of starvation. It is their money and I can not vote to with the Department of the Interior for the .fiscal year ending June hold it from them upon a statement that they will die of SO, '1925, and for other purposes, with Mr. TILSON in the chair.
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The CHAIRMAN. The House is in Committee of the Whole would be economy of time to go on for a little while. I belieYe House on the state of the Union for the further consideration it would be a saving of time to do that. of the bill H. R. 5078, the Interior Department appropriation Mr. BLANTON. Mr. . Chairman, will the gentleman yield! bill, whlch the Clerk will report by title. Mr. CLARK of Florida. Yes. The Clerk read as follows: Mr. BLANTON. There are approXimat.ely 24 States inter A bill (H. R. 5078) making appropriations for the Department of ested in this matter that is now under discussion. I think the Interior for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1925, and for other there should be some equal division of time for and against purposes. this proposition, there being some 21 other l\lembers of Con gress here seeking to change the bill. 'l'here should be some l\fr. CLARK of Florida rose. kind of a division whereby those who are backing up the com 1.'he CHAIRl\fAN. For what purpose does the gentleman mittee in keeping the bill just as the committee brought it in from Florida rise? here may be heard on the proposition, and not so many in Mr. CLARK of Florida. On a question of privilege. sistent l\1embers in favor of a change. '.rhe CIIAIRl\fA..."f. In the committee? l\lr. CRMITON. I will ask unanimous consent-and I, of Mr. CLARK of Florida. Yes. . course, have no disposition to insist upon it-to bring some The CHAIRMAN. If it has reference to the House, it should thing tangible before the committee. I will ask unanimous con be taken up in the House. sent that the debate on the pending paragraph be limited to l\Ir. CLARK of Florida. It has reference to the committee. one hour; the debate on the paragraph and amendments lim- The CHAIR~1AN. Is there objection? ited to one hour. . There was no objection. l\fr. CLARK of Florida. We could not consent to that. Mr. CLARK of Florida. I asked permission to address the There are 21 of us. House. Mr. CRA1\1TON. Well, I have some information that some Mr. CilAl\ITON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman first of the 21, even though the offices may be in their States, are allow me to inquire whether we can fix some time for debate? not opposed to the economy. Mr. CLARK of Florida. No. I want to state, l\Ir. Ohairman, Mr. CLARK of Florida. We do not concede that it is an that-and I completely exonerate the honorable chairman of economy, I will say to the gentleman. . this committee who has charge of the bill-a great number of l\ir. BLANTON. I ask unanimous consent, hlr. Chairman, us are interested in a provision of the bill providing for the that the time for debate on this paragraph and all amend a bolitlon of certain local land offices. The gentleman from ments thereto be limited to two hours and a half, one-half of Michigan agreed with us yesterday afternoon that the com that time to be controlled by the gentleman from .Michigan mittee would proceed until that item was reached and then [l\fr. CRAMTON], and the other half to be controlled by the would move to rise. The Clerk, of course, did not know of that gentleman from Florida [Mr. CLARK]. agreement, and read the paragraph, whereupon the gentleman The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Texas asks unani from Oregon [l\Ir. SINNOTT] offered an amendment. mous consent that the debate on this paragraph and all amend Now, Mr. Chairman, it seems to me that in all fairness to all ments thereto be limited to two hours and a half, one-half of of us, a number of whom had left the Ilall with that under that time to be controlled by the gentleman from Michigan and stm1ding, ,...,e ought to recur to the paragraph and read it for one-half by the gentleman from Florida. Is there objection? amendment. I do not think that the amendment offered yester Mr. SINNOTT. Mr. Chairman, reserving the right to ob clnr afternoon-- ject, it mny be that those who oppose the paragraph may not "Jfr. CRAl\ITON. :\Ir. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? be in harmony with the purticula.1· matter. In that case, ~1r. CLARK of Floricla. Yes. from whom shall we obtain time? ~fr. CRAMTON. I fear that the gentleman has an erroneous l\lr. CL.ARK of Florida. How much time does the gentle impression. The paragraph is before the House. Any amend man from Oregon want? ment that ever was in order to it is in order now. The gen Mr. SINNOTT. I should at least like to have 10 minutes. tleman has all the opportunity to offer any amendment that Mr. CL.ARK of Florida. I will grant the gentleman five be desires to tbe pending paragraph. minutes. ::\Ir. CLARK of Florida. I understand that, ~fr. Chairman; Mr. CRAl\lTON. And I will grant 10 minutes to the gen- but it may be possible that with the substitute, which I believe tleman from Oregon. the gentleman from Oregon calls it, pending, it might be that The CHAIRl\IAN. Is there objection? an amendment that we might want to offer would not be in Mr. GARRETT of Texas. I object. order with the pending substitute. Tbe CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Texas objects. l\fr. I ~lr. CRAl\ITON. I can not conceive of any amendment that CLARK of Florida. Mr. Chairman, desire to offer the gentleman would want to offer that would be cut out by the an amendment and have it read for information. fact that the gentleman from Oregon has an amendment pend The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Florida offers an ing. amendment. ' Ur. CLARK of Florida. Then, Mr. Chairman, with that l\Ir. SINNOTT. That is offered without my losing my right. understanding I am perfectly content. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Florida o:trers an l\Ir. CRAl\ITON. I am frank to say-and I am sure the gen amendment, which the Clerk will report. tleman from Oregon will assist me in this-that we will make The Clerk read as follows: any effort to see that the gentleman from Florida has no cau ·e Amendment offered by Mr. CLARK of Florida to tbe amendment for complaint. offere of tue· l}ill is a goed or bad example; as you may view it, of 1:94-0 an<1 1 which has allsolUtely no· rclat1un to present-dhy condi the danger of Iegi lating on an appropriation bill, even though tions. the language may be strietly within the provisions: of the The same- is tl·ue as to section 2250, which provides that'- Holman rule. Here we have a provision fu an appropriation bill consoli Whenever the cost of collecting the revenrre from the sales of the public lands in any land district :!s as much as one-third of the whole dating certain land offices. in1 a way directly contrary to the statutes pertaining to these land offices. amount oC revenue collected in S11Ch district it may be lawful for the Tu some cases tlifs change in law is made almost upon the President, if, 1n his opinion, not incompatible with the public intere t heels of a law which we pa..,sed1 a year or so ago defining the to discontinue the land office in such district and to annex the same t~ policy of Congress reg3!rding tlie consolidation of land offiC!es. some other adjoining land district. rt seems. to me it is a vicious· practice to legislate in the Now, that act was passed away back in 1853,, nine years prior blanket way, consolidating and aboirshing offices; as is· done to the passage of the homestead law. Why invoke an act of in the provision on page 12. that kind to close these otllces?· If the public lands were being But be that a it may; I have offePed an amendment which sold to-day in these various land officeg, instead of' being sub I do not want1 to be considered! irr any way as a 1 concession: that ject to home.stead entry, the revenue from the- sale of the very the committee was- right, but merely- in the ihterest of hru.·mcm~ lands that are being entered to-day- would probably exceed and in the interest of a compromise. Most o~ our legislation 10, 100, and, in some cases, 1,000 times the present revenue. here is a1compromi e-" and what I ba...ve offi red is merely a com So why fnvoke' statutes ot that- kind' which .are wholly· in promise that will enable the e offices to exist until June, 1925. applicable to the condithms of to-day? In any the meantime, office affected or any :Member whose dis The CHA.IRMA...~. The time of the gentleman. has expired. trict is affected may appeal to the proper legislatire committees l\Ir. SINNOTT. l\fr. Chairman, I asll: unanimous consent to and if he can make ru good showing and possibly get a further nroceed for five minutes more. c-ontinuationi of the office or defer eonsolidation. Now, I say this practice is a dangerous practice and I am The CHAIRllA...~ The gentleman from Oregon asks unani Is going to demonst1,ate to you that the committee, in inserting mous consent to proceed for five additional· mihutes there objection? [After a pause.] The Chair bears none. this language on page 12~ has misconstrued or misapplied tlle tatntes of tfle United States regrurding these land offices and lli. SINNOTT. 'rh:enr again, tfie committee has overlooked that the lic convenience, or in orde11 to close the land ystem in sucb State. And so forth. Tben the office may be- abolished. ~hen they invoke section L do not know how many other of these land offices are in 2250, which provides that- the same class witll the :Montgomery and the IUississippi land Whene>eD the co of collecting tile revenue from the eales of the offices, except that it is a matter whicb rests entirely in the public lands in any land di trict is as much as one-third of the whole d1 cretion of the President or tbe. Secretary of the Interior nmount oil re-.relllle collectoo. after consulting the public interest fn the State concerned. Then we ba ve another statute passed after the pns age of Then tne office may be abolished. Now, these statutes are the homestead raw which, it seems to me, if not technically, by nld nn.d ob olete statutes. If they have not been direetTy implication, at least by intent, repeals these ofd acts of 1840 repealed, they certainly Have no applicability to our present and 1853. There is section 2252 of tlie Revised Statutes: Jand Jaws. I will refer to the first one which I have read section 2248. That act waR passed in T840, before we had tb~ Upon the re ommenda.tion of the Commismoner of the Gener.al Land present land laws and before we had tlle homestea Let the President and let the Secretary act under these stat The CHAIR~L.\_._~. Tbe gentleman from Florida asks ununl~ utes and girn the various Members an opportunity to present mous consent to proceed for 10 minutes. Is there objec 'the situation and the claims of their particular land offices. tion? Then we hnxe another statute. Day before yesterday there There was no objection. was a good deal said on the floor regarding the pro,islon. on 1\Ir. CLARK of Florida. l\Ir. C'hairman and gentleman of the first page of the appropriation bill about the reclassification the committee, I have been at a loss to ascertain just what act. You were asked, Are you going to nullify the reclasslfl actuated the committee in undertaking the abolition of these cation act? The same question can be put with the same offices. It certainly did not come from any recommendation pertinency and the same relevancy to the consolidation of all of the Interior Department, the department which admin of the e land offices, except two, mentioned. in the first part of isters the public land laws of the United States. These this paragraph. people undoubtedly know better than Members of Congress l\Ir. ABERJ\'ETHY. Will the gentleman yield? in regard to the matter. They ought and presumably do fr. SINNOTT. Just let me conclude this idea. These land know better than anyone else just what offices are neces offices are all consolidated in the very face of an act approved sary and just wllat offices ought to be abolished. October 28, 1921, which sets forth the policy of Congress and A few days ago, on the 21st of this month, I addressed a provides when these land offices shall be consolidated. Th.at letter to the Commissioner of the General Land Office to see act provides that the land offices, or, rather, the office of re~1s how they felt on this subject. I will read the reply of Gov ter and receiver, shall l>e consolidated when the compensation ernor Spry, Commissioner of the General Land Office, dated of both the register and receiver falls below $4,000. Every one the same day, addressed to myself: of these offices, with the exception of two, proposed to be con solidated are what are known as maximum offices ; at least, DEPAilTME~T OF THE INTEUIOR, the compensation of the register and the receiver is over GENERAL LAND OFFICE, $4,000 and can not be consolidated under this act which I have Wa.shington, January fH, 1~4. cited. Ilon. FRANK CLARK, The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Oregon Hoiise of Rep1·esentathes. ha expired. MY DEAR MR. CLARK : This office is in receipt of your letter of Mr. SINNOTT. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to January 21, 1924, relative to the clause in H. R. 5078, making proceed for three minutes. appropriations for the Department of the Interior for the fiscal The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Oregon asks unani year ending June 30, 1925, providing for the closing of the la.nd mous cons{'nt to proceed for three additional minutes. Is there offices at Gainesville, Fla., and six other places. objection? [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. The provisos under the title, "Registers and receivers, district l\Ir. SINNOTT. If this provision goes through, so far as 1and offices," were not sponsored by this office, but were drafted the. ·e 12 offices are concerrred--or at least 10 or 11 of them by the subcommittee of the House Committee on Appropriations you h:we a practical repudiation or a nullification of this act handling the Interior Department. In my statement before the sub· of October 28, 1921, which marks and sets forth the policy of committee (p. 101 of the hearings) I said: Congress regarding the consolidation of land offices. "This office has no specific recommendation to make relative to Now notwithstanding the argument I have made against the the discontinuance or consolidation of land offices • • •. It committee action, in the interest of harmony and in the in must Le borne in mind that local land offices are maintained for the terest of a compromise that will give the Members a further convenience of the public and not primarily as money-making in year's opportunity to remedy any wrong that may be done I stitutions." Jun·e offered this compromise amendment. The Interior Department appropriation bill, as drafted by the House l\fr. ABERNETHY. Will the gentleman yield for a ques Committee on Appropriations, provides for the consolidation of the tion? offices of register and receiver at 14 land offices, for the al>olition of 11r. SINNOTT. Yes. 7 offices, each the last office in the State involved, and the closing of 1\1r. ABERNETHY. I understand the Appropriations Com 15 other offices, making a total of 22 offices to be abolished. If -the mittee by this act are really legislating these offices out vf bill passes in its present form, we wm; of com·se, consolidate the 15 existence. Is not that so? land districts above mentioned with other disfricts in the States in· Mr. SINNOTT. Yes; and they are consolidating 12 or 13. volved, but the public land business in the 7 States wherein the L'e l\Ir. ABERNE'l'HY. Is not that the practical effect of it? maining land offices are proposed to be abolished will necessarily have l\fr. SINNOTT. And legislating some 20 out of existence. to be handled here in Washington through correspondence with public l\1r. ABERNETHY. 'rl1is matter has not come before the land claimants. Public Lands Committee, has it? There are two laws governing the maintenance of district land offices. Mr. SINNOTT. No ; it has not been before our committee. Section 2248, Revised Statutes, provides that when the area of public Mr. PERKINS. Why do you say the committee is acting land remaining unsold in any land district is reduced to less than under the acts of 1840 and 1852? 100,000 acres it shall be the duty of the Secretary of the Interior to l\lr. SINNOTT. The act of 1840 provides that whenever discontinue the land office, and the land involved shall be subject to the quantity of public land remaining unsold in any district sale at some one of the district land offices most convenient. Section is reduced to less than 100,000 acres, and so forth. That is 2250 provides that whenever the cost of collecting the revenue from the rule that they invoke in some cases, but I contend, of the sale of public lands in any land district is as much as one-third course, that that statute is not apposite to to-day's conditions of the revenue collected in the district it may be lawful for the ailfl the administration of the land laws to-day, because we President. if in his opinion not incompatible with the public interest, no longer sell the public lands, and whenever an acre of land to aiscontinue the land office in such district and annex the same to 1s entered by a homestead entryman they class it for their some adjoining land district. u e in the committee as land sold. Of course, I contend it We· believe that the interests of the pulllic and also the Government i not sold. can best be served by the maintenance of land offices at convenient ::\Ir. PERKINS. You claim it ought not to be taken out points, so long as the expenses are not in excess of the e11rnings. until the title vests in the entryman. There are less than a dozen offices where the expense exceed the l\Ir. SI:NNOTT. It should not be taken out until the title earnings. vest or until final proof is made. There is herewith inclosed a photoslat copy of. a statistical state :\Ir. LARSON of :;)Iinnesota. Will the gentleman yield? ment which wa furnished to the House Committee on Appropriations Mr. SINNOTT. Yes. at its request, showing the entries made and expenses incurred at l\Jr. LARSON of Minnesota. Is it the purpose of the gen all of the local land offices during the fiscal year ended June 30, 1923. tleman's amendment to give an opportunity to those interested The statistics relating to Gainesville will be found in the statement. to present the matter in a businesslike way to the Secretary Yery respectfully, of the Interior or to the Commissioner of the General Land WILLIAM SPRY, Oommissirmer. Office? Mr. SINNOTT. It will give them an opportunity to pre l\lr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to print in the sent it to tlie commi. sioner or to the Secretary or to the proper RECORD the photostat copy referred to. legislative committee of the House. The CHAIRMA..~. Is there objection to the reque. ·t of the Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time. gentleman from Florida? 1\11'. CLARK of Florida. l\fr. Chairman, I nsk unanimous Tltere was no objection. consent to proceed for 10 minutes. Tile matter referred to is printed on the following page. 1276 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. J .ANU.ARY 22,; E'nlTia made and npmses inc11.rred at district land Offict during jiicrzl year ended J11,'M SO, 19". Num Area. 'Expenses. berof1~----~-~~--r---'---r--~---l : appli- Num- .ra Entered. p - Num- ber t10ns, l------,------1 Ex- centage Indian Total Salaries Office nnd State. '?er of ~n- Unappro lands and cmn pcnses of 1n offi... tr10s, earnings. abovo expense Patented. priated sold. mlssions, lnci Total. State. cials etc. and un registers dcntals. romings. to rev · (orig and enue. inal Original. Final. reserve.i. and receivers. final). Acres. .Acru. Aerts. Acres. Alat:~gofilei-Y~:: .... ~. -- .. i · · · · 246 · · .. '6;7'.zo:oo · ·· -·s; 954:37 · · --·9; .u9:100 · .....s7;i00 --··150: 25 · ·· ·i6; iiai: 23 · ·12: ci.35: 33 · ·1.3~~i5 • ·i5; 2.59:48 · : : :: ::::: ····iii·· Alaska...... 3 ·•···· ·•····• ...... •··•··•····•·• ...... ····•··••·• ...... ____ ...... ·- ...... == Fairbanks...... 2 23 1, 295. 61 888. 97 2, 274. 234 .•.• ·-•••••.. _...... 12, 306. ~' 448. 2-! 2, 60S. 00 3, 0.53. 21 . _ •••••• _ 25 Jnne:iu1...... 1 499 13,110.45 10,389.33 10,125.528 ·-·······-·· .•••••••••• 33,877.59 3,000.00 3,671.65 6,67L65 20 Nome ...... -...... 2 57 .•..••...... l,56t.37 13,036.379 ...••...... ···--······ 5,281.18 617.23 ...... ·-··- 617.23 12 State total...... 579 14,'100. 05 12,842. 67 15, 436.141 51, '165.30 ~055.47 6,276.6S 10, 342.12 Arirrti~~::::::: .... ~ ..... 2· · i;oo7 · · · 4i6;G66:14· .. i63;6i5: 55- i;oi6;ssi ... 73 · ·i4;9.5i;sw· :::~:~::::: · · ·1(3.52..ss · ··6;000:00· ·i3; 390:09 · ·i9;sw:oo · :: ::::::: ·· · ·23 · · .Aikll~a-en ~::: :: : .. _. ~. ·.. ·i · · .. i92 · · · -·4; i7.i: 7i · · · · ·9; 237:43 · · -· io; 269:380 · · · .. ·2c181 · ~: :: ::: : :: : · --i6,'317:9r ·-i;&5i:15· · ·i; 932:05 · · ·i,.. 783." 80 · · · · · · · ·· • · •· ·2.1 · · R rrison·-·-··- ...... 2 47! 21,54 .05 lll,517.84 20,009.lm() 107,026 ·······-··· 4,830.07 2,656.65 3,23-1.50 5,891.15 si;osi.03" 122 Lit.tleRock ... _ ...... 2 4.62 1 ,977.25 20,0'25.40 23,237.320 HG,213 ....••.••.. 8,483.43 2,850.61 4,43!.-18 7,285.09 s tetota1 ...... 1,128 44,700.02 4 ,780.67 53,G00.700 275,025 ...... 29,661.&3 7,359.01 9,601.03 16,960.01 ======l=====t-======r======il======F======l======l======l======l======I======~=====~===== Cali!ornia...... 8 ...... -----·· ...... -· ····--·-· ...... ···-··· .... - ...... ElCentro.... - ...... 1 171 15,129.71 '!l,443.71 H0,099.977 3,479,10-i ...... 13,923.07 2,436.0-! 4,707.14 7,143.18 ...... _. 48 EITTeka...... • . . 2 2'2.'i 14, 347. 81 12, 475. 23 12, 855. R0.3 60, 911 .••• _...... 6, 236. 33 2, 375. 50 1, 237. 83 3, 613. 33 58 Independence .. .. • . . 2 349 S4, &.12. 3li 27, 722. !J9 .a, 971. 81)3 7, 3.51, 967 . . . • • • • . •• . 20, 775. 13 6, 000. 00 2, 364.. 24 8, 364. Z4 JO Los An~elos...... 2 1, O'iS 222, 928. 03 67, 5.'12. 83 300, 743. 331) 4, 315, 596 . . . .•• .• . • . 332, 773. 87 6, 000. 00 ll10S3. 23 17, OS.1. 23 .3 8acramento...... 2 652 45, 903. 13 63, 771. 35 74, 3!'0. 400 474, 283 ....•. _.... 26, 007. 58 6, 000. 00 5, 45L 37 11, 451. 37 44 San Frandsco. ·-···· 2 790 91,02'.?.36 82,850.39 84,261.537 !!22,#4 ...... 39,6t6.75 6,000.00 5,U'3.60 11,2t3.60 28 Susanville...... 1 243 29, 9.55. 29 21, 136. G4 28,339.40t 1, 2ll0, 1(1() •• ··---·-·. 13, 700. 00 2, 920. 01 3, 051.19 5,971.20 « Vi.alia...... 2 375 42,98-1.88 63,7i6.21 63,i00.H4 205,082 54.S,2.55.37 6,000.00 7,312.27 13,312.27 2.4 Indian and nri- v ate land grants_.·-- ...... ···-...... __ ....•. ·-· ..••...... •.. 9, 711. 720 tatetotal...... '3, 3 515, 136. 57 341, 729. 41 761,080.184 18,091, 187 ·····-···-- 998! 288. 19 37, 731. 55 40, 450. 87 7 'l 2. 42 ...... ===- Colorado···-··--·· 9 ...... ··-······ · -··- ...... ·······---· ...... - ...... Del Norte...... 1 179 3 , 005. 21 17, 300. 55 30. 97 .105 472, 946 . . . . • . • • . .• 4, 50'2. :'l 2, 912. 82 1, 674.. 30 4, 5R7. t 2 84. 27 102 Dem-er...... 2 733 w, S.<:U. os ~ 635. 6-! 76, 174. 201i 381, sno ...... ZR, 757. 85 6, ooo. oo 5, 272. 91 11, 272. 91 39 Durnogo...... • . . . 1 '.:Co 19, 197. 80 23, 005. 47 28, 437. 533 419, 453 5, 793. 41 17, 434. 29 3, 250. 00 4,'°34. 94 7, 28-L 94 42 Glenwood !;prtngs...... 2 972 lOO~OM. 46 135, 269. 67 202, 912. 979 3, 70.«, 11~7 46, 911. 93 77, 731>. 20 6, 000. 00 6,3fi9. OS 12,369. OS 16 Lamo.r ...... 1 731 40,'69t. 62 134,90'..J.37 162, 9.14. 100 3,528 13,839. 45 3, 750. 00 3, 791. 21 7,Stl. 21 54 Lead,-ille ...... 1 315 5 ,356. 79 32,002.01 29,519.R.57 100,044 7, 622. 24 4,515.19 .3 5,300.55 71 MontroS-O ...... 1 32 181, 44.'3. R4 66, ~95.45 69,l't7 .521 2, 17"!, 4f>4 31, $30. 33 3, 250. 00 5, 63{). 50 8,1\.~.50 2 Pueblo ...... 253,876. 37 413, 69-1. 35 439, 454. 444 420, 763 69, 900. 95 6,000.00 s, 675. 92 14,675. 92 21 Sterling...... i 2,~ 6, 770. 70 31,667. 24 43, 437.190 7,583 3,368. 38 2,436. 2, 127. 66 4,5&!.&1 136 Indian and private land grants ...... -...... SO, ()(X). 000 oc tate tot.at ...... 6, fl9S 799, 005. 87 920, 138. 75 t, 083, 606. 937 7, 753, 129 63, 766. 51 254, 992. 54 3 , 114. 99 38, 4"J(). 8 .~ 76, 57.i. R7 ...... •• Fim~~k5'iiie:::: .... ~ ..... i · .. ·sro · ·· -~:oos: 59 · · --ii;sii: ·9 · .. · ·5; iso: RiiJ. · ··- ·87; oi--~ --·13; :;8:.IB- ··a~ 25.s: 56 · · ·4;os5:&S· --1: aii."4i · :: ::: ::: : ·· ··@·· I Kan-.a ...... 1 ·-·· -- ...... ·-············ ...... Topeka ...... ____ 1· 6,346.64 17,835.7' 20,214.140 2,l-'.42 44..00 1,981.62 1,512.50 2,131.06 3,M:J.56 l,661.94 184 Louisiana .. _...... 1 ~ ...... --·-·-····· · - ...... ········- .•. ~ ...• Baton Rouge .. ----- 1 l~ 9, 943. 09 5, 478. 17 9, 724. C63 9, 084 ...... , , 035. 45 1, 876. 1 6, fui. 80 7, 923. 61 . . • ...... 66 ].fkhigan...... l ...... ······-·--··· ····---···· -··········· ...... )farquctt.e ..... ______1 157 6,034.03 5,910.64 7,772.230 97, l ....•..•... 6,214.71 1,560.62 2,066.16 3,626.78 ...... _ 58 Indian and private land grants ...... ·-· ...•. _.•..•... 3,016.3W State to1ul .. +...... 157 6,034.03 5,910.64 10, 788.550 97, 851 6,214. 71 1,560.62 2,066.16 3,626. 78 i :\!oYed to Anchorage at dose of business on June 30, 1923. ~ T ransferrcd to and consolidated with Little Rock at close of business on June 30, 1923. 1924. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 1277 Entria made and erpenus incurred at dtstric.t land offl,cu during :ftical ~ear ended Ju'™ SO, J'9.BS---Oontinued. Num- Area. Expenses. ber of, ______-:---~--=----~• 1lppli- N Num- .ca- Entered. Per- Ex- centage ber ti~:_s, 1-----.,..----...1 Indian =- Total Salaries penses of Office and tate. lands in ~- tries, Unappro earnings. and com above expense priated sold. missions, State. c:ials. e~. Pa.tented. Inci Total. earnings. to rev and un registers dentals. enue. cru~~- Original. Final. reserved. and and receivers. final). Acres. Acres. Acres. A.cru. Minnesota...... 3 ..•...... •..••••..•....•..•...... ___ . __ ···--·--...... _..•.•...... •••••••...... _..•... _..... _... _..•••...... _-·-· CassLake .•...... 1 54 1,092.71 1,519.59 12,116.040 103,920 $4,507.05 $5,232.84 $849.81 $4,111.90 $4,981.71 .••••••.. 95 Crookston...... l 27 349.57 1,365.51 27,476.860 133,100 13,425.60 15,832.29 1,854.74 1,327.00 3,181.74 --·-···-· 20 Duluth...... 1 186 4,198.73 4,398.52 13,548.285 41,332 8,733.75 16,104.42 2,047.52 1,966.65 4,014.17 .••...•.. 25 In New Mexico...... 5 ...... ~ -····-······ ...... •...... •.•...... -··--·····- ...... --····-·-·· ...... Clayton. __ .. _... _. _. 2 591 50, 092. 36 g; 118. 09 95, 201. 940 60, 259 _...... 10, 315. 88 6, 000. 00 4, 953. 80 10, 953. 80 637. 92 106 Fort Brunner. . . • . . . . 2 828 152, 421. 06 101, 478. 91 118, 889. 780 SUI, 550 . • • . • • • • • • • 15, 315. 00 6, 000. 00 5, 256. 92 ll, 256 . .92 73 LasCruces...... 2 1,030 257,273.45 1-01,106.41 128,780.809 8,156,746 ········-·· 30763.94 6,000.00 6,57.01 12,578.01 il Roswell .•..... _.. .•. 2 1, 516 324, 81.5. 82 203, 408. 51 2'23, 633. 240 3, 726. 380 . • . . • • • • • . • 85, 301. 24 6, 000. 00 8, 013. 75 l~ 013. 75 4.-0 Santa Fe...... 2 2,201 435,035.12 219,549.45 ~,283.511 4,028.629 .••.••••••. M,621.10 6,000.00 11,!160.50 lt,460.50 't7 Indirul and ' private land grants ...... _ ...... _..•••.•...•.....•.•...... •.. _..... 33, 739. 070 .••...... _...••...... ••...... _. _... _..... __ . _. _. _..•. __ .. _.• __ •..•.. ___ ..•.•.• 1 5 1 1 1 Nort:::~ :: :- .; : :: ::: . ~· ~r~·: ~7. ~ •• '.":::37 .. -""'- ~.3'0 .. ~:~ : 7. :::: ::::: :: . ~' ~'· ~. . ~.. :.~ ~.. :. ~ • ~.. 262:~. :: :: ::::: :::: ::: Bismarck...... 1 359 13, 016. 39 22, 319. 46 28. 767. 463 22, 657 39, 585. 00 49, 203. 71 8, 000. 00 4, 156. 83 7, 156. 83 • •• • . . • • • 15 Dickinson .•... -····- 1 209 ~.631J.41" 29,100...58 36.439.970 90,279 -·----····- 4,657.33 8, E'Tltries madt and expenses incurred at district land offices during fiscal year endtd June SO, 1923-Continued. Num- Area. Expenses. berof1 ______,.-----.,------t appli- Num- .ca Entered. Per Num- ber t10ns, t-----...,..-----1 Indian Ex- centage ber . of en- Total ·Salaries penses of Office and State. Unappro lands earnings. and com in offi- tries, priated sold. above expense State. cials et~. Patented. missions, Inci Total . earnings. to rev · (ong and un registers dentals. enue. inal Original. Final. reserved. and and receivers. final). Acres. Acres. Acres. Acres. ma~1;1i.iake ci.iY.·.... -~. · · · ·2 · · i; 474 · · · 297; 657: 73 · · · io2; 759." 94 · · ·ios; 9ii." 274 · ·23: 76i;oos · : : : : : : : : : : : ·$iis;211: 45 · ·$6;000: oo · $ii;773: 95 · $i7 ;11s: 95· : : : :: : :: : ····is·· Vernal...... 1 · 193 16,425.73 16,547.90 · 17,409.353 1,481,300 $2,634.75 16,661.40 2,983.23 2,192.01 5,175.24 •••.....• 31 Indian and private land grants ...... ••.•.••.....•...••.•..•.. 160.000 Etatetotal...... 1,667 314,083.46 j 119,307.~ 126,480.627 25,242,338 21 634.75 134,838.85 8,983.23 13,965.96 22,949.19 ••..••••••....••• Washington...... 6 :;r= ~cattle ...... · · · T · · · · 67 · .... 8," 36i." ~ ..... i; 7o2." oo· ... 25; 467." 822 ..... ii3;78i ... : ...... • 6," 400." ii ... i: ii7." 73 ... 2; 936." oi ... 4; 353." 74 ...... "68 .. Spokane...... 2 142 9, 959. 32 8, 882. 02 24, 337. 994. 375, 542 ·ii; 067: 66 · 18, 693. 35 3, 414. 37 3, 539. O! 6, 953. 41 . . . . 37 Vancouver...... 1 69 30, 066.15 1, 942. 61 8, 162. 700 153,663 . • ...... ~ 493. 45 1, 542.19 1,829. 00 3, 371.19 $377. 74 · 135 Walla Walla...... 1 153 14,265.32 14,9-16.86 17,79.180 10!,645 ..•...... 1,ll0.83 2,305.53 1,482.25 3,787.78 53 Waterville...... 1 210 21,768.32 14,652.69 46,079.752 242,197 19,142.92 26,4 98 3,749.70 2,449.15 6,19.85 23 Yakima...... 1 186 66,238.83 19,396.23 73,626.590 194.,760 .•..•.••... 5,734.18 3,001.10 a,112.16 6,233.26 ··4ii9:os· 109 Indian and private land grants...... 3, 755. 500 .•••••••.•••..••.•••..•..•••••.•.••....•••••••..•••.••.....••••••••.....•..••....• . •.• State tot.al ...... 822 140, 659. 16 I 61, 523. 07 199, 228. 538 1, 184, 588 30, 210. 58 66, 920. 90 15, 4.90. 62 15, 407. 61 30, 89 . 23 ...... ••.•.....• Wisconsin...... 1 ...•...... ----· ...... wausau...... 1 10 1,495. •Land Service as a whole. Mr. CLARK of Florida. Of course each gentleman ls more though it would not be the proper thing to have this office closed nnd famillar with his local land office than he is with others. I the reeords transfened to Washington. However, I am sending a want to state that there are to-day in the land office at Gaines copy of this to the balance of the Florida delegation, and I hope that ville, tLe only land office in my State, applications for 2,000 we may be able, with your assistance, to keep the Gainesville land office patents to the public lands, upon which these officers must pass. open. In the .first place, we have over 96,000 'acres of public land in Thanking you for this and past favors, I am, the State of Florida to-day. I can not understand the reason Yours truly, for any arbitrary rule that fixes the particular number of acres GEORGE C. CROM. as a criterion to determine whether an office should be abol ished. We haYe ornr 96,000 acres of public land undisposed of. We called upon the ted States land office at Gainesville, Fla., Last year the receipts of that office-and mind you, my friends, and find that the land office is located on the third floor of the Gov ~ the officers must get their compensation out of the receipts of ernment building in three very comfortably furnished rooms, with all the office-the receipts of the office last year were over $13,000, and more fine fixtures than are actually needed. They have no inci and the expenses were about $7,000. We actually turned into dental expenses except $6 per year post-office box rent, and the force the Treasury of the United States over $6,500 as absolutely net consists of a register at a salary of $500 with commissions, both not profits from the operation of this office. The offices of the regis to exceed a total of $3,000 ; one chief clerk at a salary of $1,620 and ter and receiver at that office have been consolidated, and there bonus; one law clerk at a salary of $1,500 and bonus; and one tem is but one officer filling both places. Now I want to call your porary stenographer-clerk at a salary o:! $1,020 and bonus, who is to attention for a moment to a letter from the gentleman who is be dispensed with on January 31, 1924. acting now as register and receiver: The report of the General Land Office, Washington, D. C., !or the year ending June 30, 1923, shows that there were 563 applications, DEPA.nTMl!lNT OF THl!l INTERIOR, etc;, made this year, involving over 83,000 acres of land. That the UNITED ST.A.TES LAND OFFICE, cash receipts were $13,818.48, with expenses of $7,311.41, which shows GainesV'ille, Fla., Jan-uarv 16, 1924. the office to be paying. Since that time the offices of the register and Hon. FRANK CLARK, M. C., . receiver have been consolidated, thereby doing away with the receiver's Washington, D. 0. salary; also that there are still over 85,000 acres of the GoveJ"nment DEAR Mn. CLARK: I hand you herewith a little more information on surveyed land and over 1,100 acres of unsurveyed land in Florida. the condition of this office; also, I want to say that there are ~ome The business of December, 1923, as compared with De02mber, 1922, thlng over 2,000 patents pending on our records and it looks to me as is as follows, showing about 75 per cent increase: 1924. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 1279 l\Ir. PERKINS. But the letter that the gentleman read indi· 1922 1923 cates that the statutes are still in force. Mr. CLARK of Florida. The statutes are still on the books. 35 55 Mr. PERKINS. And they are acting under those statutes. ~=~ I~~c;_~~~:::::::::::::: :: ::: ::: ::: :: :: ::: ::~:: :: :: 114 165 Mr. CLARK at Florida. Possibly; but the point I make is Contests initiated...•.•.••••.••.•••.•••••••.•••••••••.••••••••• 2 14 this : That primarily the offices were not established for profit, Letters received .•.••••••.• ·-.•••••••••.•••.••••••••••••••••••. 714 f{l2 Letters mailed...... ••.•••••••••.••••••••• ••• ·-.•••••.•••.••. 900 1,220 but for the convenience of the people seeking homestead rights Money received...••••••..•••••...•••.•••••••...••..•••.••.•... $682.38 $1, 039.41 in this country. It was recognized and it is still recogniied that they are This office is doing more business than 60 other land offices out of people of limited means. The Rockefellers and the Vanderbilts and people of that type do not take up homesteads in Florida, the 02 land offices in the United States. With this record we can not see why this office should be closed. Oregon, and elsewhere in the country. They are taken up by People having business before the land office will have to go to Wash· the poorer class of people, the people who have to dig their ington or employ an attorney there to attend to their business. We livelihood out of the soil, people who raise families, people who tru t that our citizens of Florida and those of other States who con are the mainstay of the Government not only in time o! peace template locating in Florida will write their congressional delegation but in time of war. They go upon the farms and rear their to retain this land office at Gainesville, Fla. families and make their living out of the dirt itself. I am speaking for that class when I am asking that the whole busi Mr. Chairman, Florida is a big State. l\fost people do not ness of the Government be not transferred to Washington. look on· it in that way; but let me tell you when you travel [Applause.] from Pensacola to Key West you ba ve been as far as you Mr. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? would in traveling from Jacksonville, northern Florida, to Mr. CLARK of Florida. Yes. · Philadelphia. It is the biggest State territorially east of the :l\1r. BLANTON. Can the gentleman name a millionaire in Mississippi River save one, and that is Georgia, which has about the United States to-day who is not down in the gentleman's a thousand square miles more. Look at the in.convenience, State of Florida? trouble, and expense it would be to the people who desire to Mr. STEVENSON. Oh, there are some of them in New get a homestead in that State to come to Washington to trans Orleans. act their business, to try their contests, and try every question l\lr. WILSON of Louisiana. And some have gone to Europe. arising affecting a patent on a homestead. It is often neces l\lr. KNUTSON. And perhaps the gentleman from Florida sary that the homestead applicant, the contestant, and the eon can inform the gentleman from Texas how many millionaires testee, must go in person to the office where their rights are to there are in Florida who are doing business with the land be tried and determined. You can not transact all the busi office. ne by mail, and these people as a general rule are too poor l\fr. CLARK of Florida. Not one, but let me read the gentle to 11ndertake the expense of this long trip to determine their man why they go to Florida. The poor people go there, the rights. rich people go there, and the time is not far distant when all l\lr. ALl\.ION. Will the gentleman yield? of them will be there, at least as many as we can entertain, l\Ir. CLARK of Florida. I will. and we welcome them all. Mr. ALl\fON. Would it not cost the Government as much to I read from Vanity Fair of February, 1924: administer the matters from Washington as it does now in these respective States? Nature made Florida hea>en. America. divided heaven up like an Mr. CLARK of Florida. A good deal more, because the clerks apple pie--each piece different. You can get life as modern as next in the General Land Office are paid a salary out of the Treas minute, ln Florida-as ancient as the Everglrules themselves. But ury, and officers in the local land offices are paid out of the there·s not a commonplace mile on the peninsula • • •, and it's receipts of the office. as American as jazz • • •. l\1r. CRA.l\iTON. They are paid out of the receipts if the Palm Beach-the diamond hub of a platinum nniverse--enormous, receipts are sufficient, but sometimes they are not and they brilliant past belief, vital as a newspaper, young as life, the ricbest get the balance out of the Treasury. winter resort in the world. Golf under summer skies. Seas as blue as l\1r. CLARK of Florida. But why abolish an office where they heaven with the foa.m on. Bathing, boating, flying, motoring--spend are turning their receipts into the Treasury over and above the ing1 expenses? Miami-the climate of the Garden of Allah, the links of one's fondest lli. MORROW. Would not there be a great inconvenience to dreams. the people if the office were transferred to Washington? And I now want the very particular attention of the gentle l\Ir. CLARK of Florida. Certainly there would. man from Texas. The CHAIR.MAN. The time of the gentleman from Florida ha expired. Bimini-45 minutes from Broadway. Daytona and the .million-dollar hlghway to Tampa, and the speedway at low tide. • * • St. Mr. CLARK of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I ask for five min ute more. Petersburg-goldenest orange on the tree--growing faster than any The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the of the rest, with ambitions that end nowhere and a climate to corre gentleman from Florida? spond. For the soul wlth a different tempo there's St. Augustine-Old l\1r. BLANTON. Reserving the right to object, I want to ~k a question. World, appealing, pleasant, shady, comfortable-a city that even a li>e l\fr. CLARK of Florida. There is no need of that. I yield board of tmde couldn't spoil. And Key West, at the other end of the to the gentleman. magic carpet, Key West that the train runs boldly out across the sea Mr. BLANTON. I did not want to take it out of the gentle to get to, marvelous mother of pearl, rose coral, and sapphire sea, man's time. Mr. Chairman, I want to ask about the time for with a town at the end that ls only itself and no other, quaint, the few of us who are supporting the provisions in the bill and full of low houses, an American city (perhaps) with a Spanish accent against the amendment. Of course, we should be granted an (certainly). And Long Key, where the tarpon jump. • • • equal division of the time, and I hope the gentleman will be as .And off the end of Florida, Nassau, and Cuba, blue, bluer, bluest, liberal with us. and gold. Ir. CLARK of Florida. I never objected to a man's talking The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Florida in my life. has expired. The CHAffiMAN. Is there objection to the request of the l\lr. CLARK of Florida. l\ir. Chairman, I ask for two mim1tes gentleman from Florida? more. There was no objection. The CHAIRl\IAN. Is there objection? l\1r. PERKINS. Will the gentleman yield? There was no objection. Mr. CLARK of Florida. Yes. Mr. CLARK of Florida. And would the gentleman from Mr. PERKINS. The argument of the gentleman from Oregon Texas [Mr. BLANTON] destroy a land office in so beautiful a was that the statutes of 1840 and 1852 were repealed by impli climate? Would be depri--ve the poor people of the sand-ridden cation. Is it not true that the department considers the stat end of Texas from going down there where there is no drought, utes now operative? where the cattle can eat the grass every day in the year, and Mr. CLARK of Florida. I do not know what the department where water flows from a million springs and a million clear considers. I think the gentleman from Oregon is right ; I think water lakes dot the landscape? Will my friend deprive his the statutes were passed to apply to a time very different from own constituents of that privilege? Not only are these benefits the times now. to be found there, but the land office there is actually paying 1280 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JANUARY 22~ -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~,-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 in dollars and cents to the Treasury of the United States, and 1\Ir. CLARK of Florida. What about Colorado and Idaho? · · there is no excuse whatever for its abolition. . Mr. BLANTON. You see that the gentleman from Michigaif l\lr. STENGLE. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? [l\Ir. CRAMTON] is in the same situation as the gentleman from' l\1r. <::LARK of Florida. Yes. Florida [Mr. CLARK] is in ; only he has not all of these winter.' Mr. STENGLE. I think it is only fair in connection with frivolities up in his State, such as the gentleman has down in. the question of the gentleman from Texas to keep the record gay and popular Florida. straight. He asked if the gentleman can name a milllonaire Mr. CLA1:-K of Florida. Did the land office in Michigan pay, who is not there now. For his edification I may say that he any money mto the Treasury last year? will find a millionaire at the other end of this building who is Mr. BLANTON. I presume it did not pay as much as the fighting for tax reduction for the average citizen-Senator law required or the gentleman from Michigan would not be COUZENS. seeking to abolish it now. l\Ir. CLARK of Florida. And I wager that he is not in favor Mr. CLARK of Florida. Did they pay any net receipts int<>. of abolishing these land offices, either. [Laughter.] the Treasury? Mr. CRA1'ITON. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent l\Ir. CRAl\ITON. If my friend will yield- that the time for debate upon this paragraph and all amend l\1r. BLANTON. Briefly. ments thereto be limited to two hours, one-half to be controlled l\1r. CRA1\1TON. If the gentleman will permit, I want to. by myself and one-half by the gentleman from Florida [Mr. speak about Michigan. In Michigan there was a net return of CLARK]. 42 per cent. • The CHAIRMAN (Mr. GRAHAM of Illinois)-. The gentleman Mr. CLARK of Florida. How much? from Michigan asks unanimous consent that debate upon the Mr. BLANTON. Forty-two per cent. I do not yield further. paragraph and all amendments thereto be limited to two hours, The gentleman from Florida will find the gentleman from ' one-half to be controlled by himself and one-half by the gentle Michigan one of the fairest and frankest men on the floor of • man from Florida. Is there objection? this House [applause], and I am backing him up in trying There was no objection. to save the Government all needless expense. Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I yield 10 minutes to the Oh, my friend from Florida says there is no recommendatioq gentleman from Texas [1\fr. BLANTON]. here from the Commissioner of the Land Office. He should Mr. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, whenever the expenses of a have read all the hearing instead of a part. There never ha!f land office exceed one-third of the revenue, Congress has been but one real recommendation from the Commissioner of adopted the policy of discontinuing that land office. Yet with the Land Office to abolish offices, and that came from Mr. Tall that policy declared by Congress we have one of the most man, who also sought to abolish the 13 surveyor general offices, novel situations that ever existed in the Nation demonstrated and would have done it if he had had his way, if they had not on the floor this morning. That is the most remarkable letter been forced back in the bill on him, just as you colleagues are that any Government official has ever written, and I refer now now forcing back these land offices. I want to say this, there to the letter of Governor Spry, Land Commissioner, to the gen is a recommendation from the American leader here which the tleman from Florida [Mr. CLARK]. What does he say in that gentleman from l\Iichigan is following. I noticed this morning letter? Notwithstanding the fact that the Congress has ex a distinguished Democrat from Delaware read that recom pressed its policy of discontinuing land offices whenever the mendation into the RECORD. It is a recommendation which expense of the land office exceeds one-third of the revenues, came from the President of the United States yesterday that Governor Spry says that he is in. favor of continui.ng every we must cut down the expenses of this Government. How are land office so long as the expenses do not exceed the revenues, you going to do it? You have to make a beginning somewhere. and the revenues are the returns from the sale of public land. How are you going to do it, I ask my colleagues, if every time Could there be a situation more remarkable? I know that there is an attempt to cut expenses you come in here organized I will take a most unpopular position iµ resisting the placing to the teeth and break dawn such a proposal? You must make of these 21 land offices back into the bill, and that I shall be a start somewhere. Here is the time, place, and opportunity, come the target of the delegations from these nearly 20 States and if you do not back ·up this committee now we are never affected. But I feel impelled to perform my duty as I see it. going to reduce expenses. The only way on earth that this Now, what are the receipts of the land office; are they just Government bas to reduce expenses is to cut out needless the patent fees or the other charges that are made upon the men offices. It is the needless offices and surplus employees in this who take up land? No, no. The main receipts of the land Government that takes the people's money from them in taxa office embrace the actual money that is paid by the people of tion. It is the unnecessary expenditure of public funds and the this Government for the land itself. And yet the Land Com extravagance and waste in this Government, and every time an missioner of the United States says that so long as the actual attempt is made to retrench we can not give up the little pork expenses do not exceed the actual money that is paid for the that is in our district. I really think that our colleagues who land itself he is in favor of continuing all of these land offices are to lose these land offices can go back to their States and get indefinitely. In other words, he is willing for the purchase the approval of the majority of the citizens of their States on price of all the public lands, he is willing for the value of the the proposition of public economy. property of the people of this Government, to be dissipated in l\Ir. PERKINS. Will the gentleman yield for a question? expenses just to suit our friends from Florida and Arkansas Mr. BLANTON. How much time have I remaining? and Michigan and Oregon and other places in the United The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman has two minutes remain States. I want to say this: I have not yet seen the fight that ing. the chairman is going to make on this proposition, but I l\fr. BLANTON. I will gladly yield to the gentleman. imagine he is going to make a good one. I do not believe he is l\fr. PERKINS. Those who oppose the committee on this making any straw fight on this proposition, because I see that think it will cost more to have these records in Washington. he now has his floor leader sitting over there by him. I be What does the gentleman say about that? lieve that any man who would bring a bill on the floor of this Mr. BLANTON. That is exactly what I was intending to · House to take the land office out of his own State of Michigan, discuss. Handling the business here will require only a few as the gentleman from Michigan [1\1r. CRAMTON] has done; I extra clerks, and will save over $100,000 annually. The. believe any man who can bring a bill on the floor of this House State of Texas, where I live, has owned as muC'h State land to take a land office out of his own State of Idaho like our that has had to be sold out to its settlers as any.other State friend [Mr. FRENCH] has done-- in this Union. There is my colleague from El Paso, Tex. [Mr. Mr. CLARK of Florida. Will the gentleman yield? HUDSPETH], living out in the extreme west, living several hun Mr. BLANTON. I believe any man who is on the Appropria dred miles from the capital of his State, and lf asked he would tions Committee, like our friend from Colorado [lUr. TAYLOR], doubtless tell you that he hns handled many, many land cases,: · who will permit the Committee on Appropriations to bring a he and his friends out in the West, with his State land office bill in here to take a land office out of the State of Colorado- at Austin, Tex., through the United States mail. He did not' I believe those men are in dea,d earnest for economy in this have to get on a train and travel several hundred miles to. Government, and I am backing them to the limit. Austin every time he handled a land matter for one of his 1\.1.r. CLARK of Florida. Will the gentleman yield for a constituents out there. He attended to it in most instances question? through the United States mail. What would have been the l\1r. BLANTON. I will. difference if he had been required to carry on his business Mr. CLARK of Florida. Are there any land offices left in with Washington? Only just a little longer delay, that is all. It Colorado and Michigan and Idaho after those are taken out? would have been handled jnst as efficiently and just as cheaplY, Mr. BLANTON. Well-- to the settler almost here in Washington as it would have l't1r. CR.Al\ITON. If the gentleman will yield; there- will be been in Austin, Tex., and the system worked well there. There none left in Michigan. have been millions of acres sold in that State to the poor 1924. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 128f people who sent their files by mail to Austin, and allow me perfect their title. I ask you, gentlemen, to let us keep the to say to my friend from Florida some of the poorest people office at Cass Lake until we can have a fair hearing upon this in Texas have taken up that land, and the great majority of matter. There has been no hearing upon any of these land all of their land transactions have been handled through the offices that has brought out any information that will enable. United States mails. The matter of these Government lands can this HolJ.se to act intelligently. The Commissioner of the Gen be handled in Washington in just the same way. I want to eral Land Office says he has no recommendation to make, and say that there must be consolidations and abolishments if we furthermore he says it is the conception of the General Land ever expect to keep this Government from becoming bankrupt, Office that these land offices are not conducted for· profit, but and I am in favor of backing up the committee on this the for the convenience of the people who have business to trans first effort that has been made in this Sixty-eighth Congress act at the land offices. Why not also abolish the Post Office to reduce expenditures. Department? That is not paying, either. The CHAIRl\!AN. The time of the gentleman from Texai::; Now, gentlemen, my time is about consumed, but I am going has expired. to appeal to this House to adopt the amendment offered by Mr. MOREHEAD. Mr. Chairman, I would like to have the the gentlemen from Florida. [Applause.] I think it is a just gentleman's time extended for a few minutes. one. If the General Land Office feels that these offices should be. The CHAIRMAN. There is no time remaining. The time has abolished, let the Committee on the Public Lands of the House, been allotted. which is the proper legislative committee, bring in the necessary Mr. CLARK of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 10 minutes legislation. Let us not keep on surrendering a little and then to the gentleman from Minnesota [l\1r. KNUTSON]. a little more of our authority to the Committee on Appropria The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Minnesota is recog tions, because If you do you will find that the rest of you nized for 10 minutes. will become nonentities in five years, as then the Committee l\Ir. KNUTSON. Mr. Chairman, I wish to direct attention on Appropriations will become all powerful [Applause.] to this map which I have placed before you. Mr. COLTON. l\Ir. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? Mr. BROWNE of Wisconsin. Mr. Chairman, will the gentle Mr. KNUTSON. Yes . .PJan submit to a question? Mr. COLTON. Has the gentleman any information as to Mr. KNUTSON. For a question merely. how many of these offices have been consolidated heretofore, Mr. BROWNE of Wisconsin. I wonder whether the gentle or are now sought to be abolished? Have any of them been? man can talk to his constituents behind that map and still l\lr. KNUTSON. I do not know, I will say to the gentleman. be seen. [Laughter.] Mr. COLTON. Has your office been consolidated hereto l\Ir. KNUTSON. I will change the position of the map. fore--the office of register and receiver? [Laughter.] Mr. KNUTSON. Yes; it was consolidated a year or two Mr. Chairman, the action of the committee, if ratified by ago. I am perfectly willing that this office should be abolished the House, will abolish the land office at Cass Lake. The after we are given an opportunity to appear before the com public lands that are subjected to homestead entry in Min mittee and present our side, but I am not willing to have land nesota are situated in a circle like this [indicating on map]. offices or any other institutions in my district played with In addition to that, the Government has recently instituted like pawns behind closed doors, by the Committee on Appropri a suit against the State of Minnesota to recover several ations or any other committee of this House. hundred thousand acres that it is alleged were erroneously If, after an open and fair hearing, a proper committee of this classified as swamp lands and which the Government contends House should determine that this office should be abolished are agricultural lands. The Indian Department informs me then I will acquiesce in such action and have nothing to say. that there is little or no question as to the outcome of that Gentlemen, Cass Lake is the logical location for the land suit, and that the lands will be restored to the Federal Gov office in Minnesota. As I have shown you by this map, it is ernment. If that is the case, we would have tributary to centrally located with excellent railroad facilities. The Gov Cass Lake, the office which the committee proposes to abolish, ernment maintains there its chief Indian office in Minnesota, several hundred thousand acres of agricultural land in addition also a forestry office. The rent paid for quarters for these to the 103,000 acres of public lands that are now within the activities is nominal, and if the committee wishes to really jurisdiction of that land-office district. economize without doing so at the expense of public conven Of course, if the Government maintains land offices merely ience let it bring in a proposition to consolidate the land offices for profit, as the gentleman from Texas [Mr. BLANTON] wou1cl at Cass Lake, one of the finest little cities in all the United have you believe, then there can be no justification for con States. Gentlemen, I thank you. [Applause.) tinuing the office at Cass Lake, because it costs almost as Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I yield five minutes to the much to run it as the receipts are. But if the Government conducts these land offices for the convenience of the people, gentleman from Texas [Mr. BLACK]. then there can be no justification for the action of the com Mr. CLARK of :inorida. Does the gentleman from Minne mittee. I defy the committee to produce any evidence showing sota [Mr. K UTSON] yield back the balance of his time? that the General Land Office has asked for the abolition of Mr. KNUTSON. Yes. • the land office at Cass Lake. Mr. CLARK of Florida. How much time did the gentleman Mr. CilAl\fTON. l\fr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? from Minnesota use? Mr. KNUTSON. Yes; I yield to the gentleman for a brief The CHAIRMAN. He yields back one minute. question, not for a speech. The genteman has taken four hours Mr. BLACK of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment on this biil, and if he keeps on he will be subject to prosecution which I desire to offer. under the antitrust act. [Laughter.] The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Texas offers an J\Ir. CRAMTON. The gentleman knows that only 410 acres amendment, which the Clerk will report. are entered as of general swamp land. The Clerk read as follows: l\1r. KNUTSON. I have a telegram here from the receiver Preferential amendment olrered by Mr. BLACK of Texas: Page 12, that gives the very latest figures. They are 360 entries that lines 17 and 18, strike <>ut the words "Montgomery, Ala.," and have not been perfected, embracing 120,000 acres. Number of "Gainesville, Fla." entries from July 1 last year, 180. Subject to entry, 103,000 acres. In addition to the 103,000 acres there will be the 200,- l\Ir. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, reserving a point of order, 000 acres of so-called swamp land which the Federal Govern I did not notice the beginning of the gentleman's amendment. ment is going to recover. Mr. BLACK of Texas. I will say to the gentleman that the Now observe the location of Cass Lake here [indicating] ; effect of my amendment would be to discontinue all the offices a railroad coming this way. We have another coming right which the bill as now drawn seeks to discontinue except the down from the heart of the homestead country up here [indi one at Montgomery, Ala., and the one at Gainesville, Fla. I cating], and here. If you abolish Cass Lake you are going to think these two offices should be continued, for reasons which I compel people who either wish to prove up or file on land to go shall presently state. 200 miles to Duluth or over to Crookston. Mr. CR.A.l\lTON. l\Ir. Chairman, without taking it out of the Now, I ask the gentleman if he thinks that is his conception gentleman's time, I would like to make a parliamentary inquiry. of fair legislation. The people up there are entitled to some The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will state it. . conveniences. They should not be compelled in case of contest Mr. CRAMTON. Is the amendment offered as an amendment to take their witnesses a couple of hundred miles to present to the text of the bill? their cases to the land office officials. All of these homestead Mr. BLACK of Texas. It is. ers are poor, because if they were not poor they would pay for Mr. CRAl\fTON. So it is a preferential motion? the land outright instead of spending five years before they can Mr. BLACK of Texas. Yes; offered to the text of the bill. ,_. 1282 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JANUARY 22, l\Ir. Chairman, the effect which my amendment would have 101,000 acres of land subject to entry, and we clearly fall within 1f it were adopted would be to discontinue all of the land the limit as to acreage established long ago, to wit, 100,000 acres. offices named in the bill with the exception of the one at Close by this land office is a forest reser\te, known as the Ozark Gainesville, Fla., and the one at Montgomery, Ala. Of course, Forest Reserve, in which at least 100,000 acres of agricultural it goes without saying that as a Member of the House I have land sooner or later will be opened to homestead, especially if no preference for any of the land offices named in the bill. I we ~re. going to adopt the policy, which we should adopt, of want to view each case on its merits. In others words, I have abohshmg these reserves. The re erve in Arkansas does no one no bias in favor of or prejudice against any of these land any good. It would be a thousand times better if farms were offices. nut there is a reason that ls satisfactory to me why cleared up on that reserve than to keep it as it is. the one at Gainesville, Fla., should be continued, and that is The old idea of a forest reserve was to provide a place for because it· is the only land office in the State of Florida, and kings to hunt in. That nonsense has given way to a more there are something like 90,000 acres of public land in that sensible system. · _ State. A similar reason applies to the land office in Alabama. In order that the committee may have all the facts upon There is only one land office in that State, and there are, I which to base a decision in thiB case, I want ta point out that believe, about 37,000 acres of public land in that State. the railroads running through and serving this particular part Mr. COLLIER. Does the gentleman know how many there of the State run east and west; one runs through Harrison are in Mississippi? Has the gentleman found out, aside from the l\lissourl & North Arkansas-and the Missouri Pacific runs the one at Ja&~on? within 12 miles of Harrison. They pass near this forest Mr. BLACK of Texas. There are much less acres of public reserve and the public lands. The road that the people would land in the State of Missl sippi than the two States I have have to take to get to Little Rock ls first, the Missouri & just named, but since the gentleman has inquired-- North Arkansas, or the Missouri Pacific, then the Iron Moun 1\fr. COLLIER. I thought the gentleman had found out tain road, running in this direction [indicating] to Little Rock. something I do not know anything about. If you transfer this office to Little Rock, it would take these l\Ir. BLACK of Texas. I shall be glad to give the gentle citizens or contestants, contestees, witnesses, and intending man the information he inquires about. There is one land of homesteaders a day or two to come from the country up in here fice in the State of Mississippi and of unappropriated public where they live, over to a connection with the Iron l\Iounta~ lands there are 19,216 acres. road, lose time at junction points, and be put to great expense Mr. COLLIER. All I wanted to do was to let the gentleman and a great expenditure of time. know that there ls only one in the State of Mississippi, be '.l'wo years ago this office was a revenue producer. It is not cause he seemed to base his statement on the fact that he was now. We are still within the limit as to acreage, as I have not striking out offices in those States which have only one said, but the office does not take in as much revenue as it did office. and is some trifiing expense to the Government, but here is th~ Mr. BLACK of Texas. No ; the gentleman did not quite reason for that: In order to furnish the committee with facts understand my position. My position is that where any State as I always like to do, I asked the register and receiver t~ has less than a townshJp of public lands, it would not be a justi furnish me all pertinent information bearing upon this issue. fiable expense to continue a public land office in that State. They say approximately 101,000 acres are vacant in the district, Also let me emphasize, that in most of these other States and that there are 1,500 unperfected homestead entries pending. where it is proposed to dJscontinue certain offices there are People, whether they are compelled to do lt or not, always go to more than one land office. There are, for instance, in the the land office to perfect their entries. They are poor people, State of Arkansas, where Harrison, Ark., ls to be discon generally. They are unable to pay large amounts of railroad tinued, two others, I believe, where the people can be accom fare or other expenses to go down to Little Rock and chru:i<>'e modated. cars a time or two going and coming back. l::) l\Ir. SUl\fMERS of Washington. Will the gentleman yield? The reason why there have not been many entries in this 1\Ir. IlLACK of Texas. Yes; I yield to the gentleman. section for the last two years is because we had a disastrous l\.'.Ir. SUMI\IERS of Washington. I do not see that State railroad strike on the Missouri & North Arkansas Railroad lines would make a great deal of difference, and, therefore, which lasted a year or more. This road begins at Joplin, in th~ why would you abolish on office like the one at Yakima, Wash., State of Missouri, endlng at Helena, in the State of Arkansas. which has 197,000 acres yet to deal with? During the strike business was paralyzed everywhere ; no tim Mr. BLACK of Texas. Well, I shall be very glad to answer ber entries were made, and that accounts for the expense item the gentleman as to why I favor that, and I will do it from over and above the revenues of the office. The Mis ouri & the record. You take the State of Washington-- North Arkansas Railroad finally obtained a Federal loan of Mr. SUl\Il\IERS of Washingon. There would be no other thl·ee and a half million dollars, is again in operation, is serv office closer than 150 miles. ing these people, and timber entries are being resumed. We l\.'.Ir. IlLACK of Texas. I will answer the gentleman. There have no swamp lands here. Much of these lands are good are in the State of Washington public land offices at Seattle, enough for homestead entry and will be entered. We have at Spokane, at Vancouver, at Walla Walla, at Waterville, and fine oak timber in that section, and timber of thi kind is getting at Yakima. Now, I think if the committee's bill is carried out scarce and valuable. I saw some facts :published the other to abolish the offices at Vancouver and Yakima, there will be day by the Chief Forester, in which he declares that the Ameri sufficient land offices left in the State of Washington to ac can timber supply is rapidly vanishing. The original supply he commodate all the people of that State. estimated at 5,200,000,000,000 board feet and the present sup Now, here is the position I take, gentlemen, as to this ply be e timates at only 600,000,000 board feet. propo ition now pending: There is a well-known maxim which It would be outrageous, in my judgment, with 1,500 unper • says, " any unnecessary taxation is unjust taxation," and if fected homestead entries pending there, with 100,000 acres of these land offices are unnecessary and if the people of those land subject to homestead entry, with no swamp lands, the land States can reasonably be accommodated at other land offices covered with good timber, and with 100,000 acres more in this why should not we save the people the more than $100,000 forest reserve, some of it fair agricultural land which will soon which will be required to run them if they are continued? come to be entered and can now be entered under certain con I h11ow in the eyes of these gentlemen $100,000 amounts to a dJtions, to abolish this land office. small sum, yet if we do not begin saving somewhere we are I have great respect for the gentleman from Texas [Mr. not going to get very far on an economy program. [Applause]. BLACK]. He is one of the bravest and best men on this floor, The CHAIRl\fAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. but be says if we do not begin to economize with these little l\lr. CLAilK of Florida. l\Ir. Chairman, I yield 10 minutes to items we will never begin to economize with the big ones. Let the gentleman from Arkansas [Mr. TILLMAN]. us begin the other way. The trouble has always been that Mr. TILLl\1AN. l\lr. Chafrman and gentlemen of the House, economy begins with the little fellow. I want to make an ap I know the Members want the facts with reference to this con peal for the little fellow-the homesteader-because he has troYersy. Therefore I shall endeavor to point out some reasons made this country what lt is. He is a pioneer. At one time which appeal to me, and I think will appeal to you, as to why everybody who opened up a farm was a homesteader. the paragraph abolishing the 21 land offices scattered over the It was intimated here by one gentleman c.n the floor to-day South and West should be stricken from the bill under consid that the Appropriations Committee is getting quite arrogant and eration and the land offices mentioned continued. self-centered. That is true. We have to go to this gilded office Of course, I am vitally interested in my own land office, which over here at the west part of the Capitol with our hats in our is sought to be abolished by the bill. This [indicating] is a hands and almost " bow the knee in worship " before we can get fair map of the State of Arkansas. The Harrison land office is a hearing at all. located up here in the northern portion of the State [indicating This paragraph is a matter· of great importance to many .<>n map], in Boone County. Contiguous to that land office are Members in this House, but no intimation was ever given to 1924. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 1283 any of us whose land offices they seek to abolish that they and industry he has the quicker he will get up. If he possesses these were even considering doing so. Two years ago they had up qualities, and 1f his constituents wm keep him in the House, he is as this identical question, and on a square and fair stand-up fight certain to rise as the sparks are to fly upward. No human power in this body they were defeated, but they come again, without can keep him down. It is only fair and rational to assume that every giving anybody an opportunity to be heard, and again ask Representative's constituents desire to see him among the " top the Congress to abolish them. We have developed a good many notchers." watchdogs of the Treasury. We can usually stand one watch Let us take the present House and see how long the men who hold dog ; he is a necessity and should be encouraged, but a whole the high places have served. I ca n not name alJ, but will cite a few kennel of them barking in concert to protect the pennies, but as samples. cross-eyed and nearsighted when it comes to guarding bigger Mr. Speaker Cannon is serving his fortieth year. He holrts the sums, gets on our nerves. There is the big watchdog of them record, or, in pugilistic parlance, " he holds the belt," for length of all, my genial and splendid friend from Chicago, Mr. l\liDDEN, service in the House in our entire history. In several Congresses he but Illinois has had all she needs. She has her public buildings was chairman of the great Committee on Appropriations and then was and -hundreds of millions have been spent on her rivers and Speaker eight years, only one man, Henry Clay, having been Speaker harbors. There is likewise the watchdog from Michigan [Mr. longer. CRAMTON], who bas had many millions spent in his State on I run serving my twenty-second year; Minority Leader Mann is rivers and harbors and on public buildings. The watchdog serving his twentieth ,Year; Mr. Kitchin, chairman of Ways and Means, from Idaho [Mr. FRENCH] perhaps has not had so much, and his sixteenth; Mr. Fitzgerald, chairman of Appropriations, his eight yet he is all the time asking Congress for something for irriga eenth; Mr. Moon, chairman of the Post Office and Post Roads, his tion and reclamation; but we come to the watchdog par excel twentieth; Mr. Jones, chairman of Insular Affairs and "father of the lence of this kennel, the gentleman from Oklahoma [l\fr. House," his twenty-sixth; Mr. Flood, chairman of Foreign Affairs, his CARTER], who said a few minutes ago, "I want it understood sixteenth; Mr. Hay, chairman of Military Affairs, his twentieth; Mr. that the Treasury has a few friends over on this side of the GLASS, chairman of Banking and Currency, his sixteenth; Mr. Adam House," meaning to include himself in the count. Look at the son, chairman of Interstate and Foreign Commerce, his twentieth ; bill itself, five or six pages devoted to pouring money into the Mr. Stephens, chairman of Indian Affairs, his twentieth ; Mr. Slay· State of Oklahoma. Ever since I have been here I have loved den, chairman of the Library, his twentieth; Mr. Henry, chairman of my friend like a brother and have worked with him shoulder Rules, his twentieth ; Mr. Lever, chairman of Agriculture, his six· . to shoulder, but Oklahoma with her appetite for public money teenth; Mr. Padgett, chairman of the Navy, his sixteenth; Mr. Lloyd, still unsatisfied keeps on asking for more, more, more, and get chairman of Accounts, his twentieth; and Mr. Sparkman, chairman of ting it all the time. [Laughter and applause.] Rivers and Harbors, his twenty-second. There are other big chairman 1\Ir. KNUTSON. What page is that on? ships, but these will su1fice to show that as a rule the big places go Mr. TILLMAN. On page 15, and on many pages following to old and experienced Members, for most oi the men who rank close you will find it. This watchdog of the Treasury [Mr. CARTER] to the chairmen are old timers. The same thing holds good with insists that he is a friend of the Treasury. You have heard of reference to members of the minority. As an illustration, Messrs. the watchdog's honest bark baying a deep-mouthed welcome GILLETT and COOPER, who are serving their twenty-fourth year, are when you draw near home. Very welcome if you are bringing the ranking Republicans on Appropriations and Foreign Affairs, almost in the bacon of home appropriations, but these watchdogs bay certain to be chairmen thereof should the Republicans ever again have a deep-mouthed defiance when anybody else wants anything a majority in the House, as in that event, in all probabiJity, Mr. Mann that they think he ought not to have. As the gentleman from wm be Speaker, unless he is nominated for President next June. New York said yesterday, an assistant librarian in one of this Go through the whole list and you will find, with few exceptions, committee's appropriation bills is raised from $4,000 to $5,000, that the men of long service have the high places. and the superintendent of the reading room from $3,000 to New England and the cities of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh have $3,800. They are raising salaries right and left ; they are not understood the value of Jong service all along, and, having elected a taking it away from the big fellows, but discriminate against fairly good man to Congress, they keep him in the harness. the little ones. The Member of longest consecutive service is called " the father of One of the splendid things about service in this body is the the House." Five Philadelphians in immediate succession bore that cooperation, the unselfish friendships that obtain here. I was honorable title--Randall, Kelley, O'Neill, Harmer, and Bingham. Then impressed by the courtesies extended me during and at the con it went to Mr. Dalzell, of Pittsburgh. When General Bingham an clusion of a little speech that I made yesterday. They practice nounced the death of General Harmer, his immediate predecessor as a great amount of courtesy over at the other end of the Capitol, "father of the House," he stated that the five Philadelphia "fathers perhaps too much, and a little more of it here will not do harm. of the House" had served a total of 147 years, and he served 8 or I am sure this House will not be so discourteous as to inflict 10 years after making that interesting statement. this proposed wrong on us and our people. [Applause.] In the second and third Congresses in which I served, Maine, with only four Members, had the Speakership and the chairmanship of the THE MAKING OF A REPRESENTATIVE. great Committees on Ways and Means, Navy, and Public Buildings and l\lr. TILL1\1A..1\f. Mr. Speaker, I am now doing what many Grounds-a most remarkable circumstance, giving the Pine Tree State of my colleagues in this Hov.se have done--:-printing as a por an influence in the House and the country out of all proportion to her tion of my remarks at this time an address delivered by Champ population and wealth. These four men-Reed, Dingley, Boutelle, and Clark, then Speaker, at the Washington Press Club reception Millikin-each served in the House 20 years or more. Other States to newly elected Congressmen, on l\Iarch 16, 1916. This speech might profit by her example. was printed the next day in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD and No man should be elected to the House simply to gratify his am· has been many times reprinted by Members. bition. All Members should be elected for the good of the country. The address is as follows : The best rule, it seems to me, is for a district to select a man with THE MAKING OF A REPRESEiNTATIVll, at least fair capacity, industrious, honest, energetic, sober, and coura geous, and keep him here so long as he discharges his duties faith REMARKS OF CHAMP CLARK AT THE WASHINGTON PRESS CLUB RECEPTION, fully and well. Such a man will gradually rise to h!gh position and THURSDAY, MARCH 16, 1916. influence in the House. His wide acquaintance with Members helps [Printed in CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, March 17, 1916.] him amazlngly in doing things. It is a high honor to be a Representative in Congress, if for only I can speak freely on this subject without violating the proprieties, one term, and with the number of terms the honor increases in geo for my constituents have kept me here 22 years, and for 20 years metrical rather than in arithmetical proportion. A Member's useful have given me nominations without opposition, for alJ of which favors ness to bis country should increase in the same proportion. A man I thank them from the bottom of my heart. Their generous action has to learn to be a Representative just as he must learn to be a and unwavering friendship have enabled me to devote alJ my time blacksmith, a carpenter, a farmer, an engineer, a lawyer, or a doctor. to the public service. I have not been compelled to spend any portion " Poeta nascitur non fit "-a poet is born, not made--says Horace; of my time in "mending my fences." My constituents have attended but Congressmen-that Is, useful and influential Congressmen-are to that. God bless them! made largely by experience and practice. One other thing, I do not know what committee assignments you The old Charlotte district in Virginia knew this and kept John Ran new Members secured. If they are good, you are to be congratulated. dolph, of Roanoke, in the House till he l::!ecame a great national figure. If bad, do not be cast down. No congressional tenderfoot ever hai Then the Old Dominion sent him to the Senate and General Jackson poorer assignments than I had-Claims and Old Pensions-but l sent him to St. Petersburg. Tbei·e are sporadic cases of similar action never complained or kicked. I went to work as though those com· Ju other districts. mittees suited me exactly. Here is an illustration of what may hap It is an unwise performance for any district to change Representatives pen and how luck plays an important part. I was next to top Demo at short intervals. .A new Congressman must begin at the foot of the crat on both Foreign Affairs and Patents for eight years-never ad class and spelJ up. Of course, the more brains, tact, energy, courage, vanced a peg so far as committees went. Just when, at the begin· 1284 . CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JANUARY 22, rung of the ninth year on those two committees, I was about to Mr. CLARK of Florida. I mean a net return. become top Democrat on Foreign Affa.lrs, Hon. John Sharp Wil Mr. CARTIDR. And probably most of the money would be liams, then minority leader. a lgned me to tfle foot of Ways and turned in without the office. Means, and at the end of four years through the happenings of Mr. KNUTSON. Does not the gentleman from Oklahoma politics in flve different States I jumped fTom the foot to the bead consider the matter of convenience to the people who wish to of the Democratic minority on Ways and Means. So it may be with prove up? you. Events over which you have no control may advance you more Mr. CARTER. Oh, yes; certainly. But in the gentleman•s rapidly than you dream of or hope for. My advice is this: " What own district, as has been shown by the gentleman from l\Iichl· ever your hand finds to do, do it with your might." gan [Mr. CRAMTON], I do not think the Government ought to INTERIOR DEPARTMENT .APPROPRIATION BILL. go to the expense they do at the Cass Lake ofllce of keeping the office just in order to keep two of the geii.tleman's friends in [:Mr. KNUTSON by unanimous consent was given leave to ex 'Office, and where there are only 240 acres of land involved tend his remarks in the RECORD.] other than swamp land. l\Ir. CRll1TON. 1\ir. Chairman, I yield 10 minutes to the Mr. BLANTON. But the gentleman's hunting loclge is out gentleman from Oklahoma [l\fr. CARTER]. in that section. · Mr. CARTER. Mr. Chairman, the consideration of this mat Mr. CARTER: Of course that ls a very important matter ter reminds me very much of a statement I heard made by our which I had overlooked. good friend, Adam Bede, of Minnesota, who was a member of Mr. KNUTSON. Oh, the gentleman is in error. There are the House when I first came here. He said that the Democrats 103,000 acres there. I do not know where the gentleman gets and Republicans may have some differences of opinion on such his information. superficial matters as taxation and tariff, but, he said, when Mr. CARTER. Why, I got it from the statement of the it comes to a great question involving the ftag and the Con gentleman from Michigan [l\ir. CRAMTON]. The gentleman stitution, like the public buildings bill, we stand together with would have heard where I got it from had he only been paying the strength of Gibraltar. [Laughter.] That is what this mat attention. ter disclo es. I am greatly indebted to my friend from Arkan The only thing that this change does is to strike out 21 land sas [l\1r. TILLMAN], a fine, genial gentl~man that he is. I re offices, and I am sure that everyone will agree, if they go into member one time baYing gone on an investigating trip with the matter as our commlttee did, that they are useless. Thut him. We had a former distinguished Member of the House reduces the appropriation to the extent of the payment made from the Republican side who was a great wag. When we for these land offices about $170,000. This is a real attempt at came back from the trip he said, "There is one thing of which actual economy, and the men who oppose it, the men who vota I run convinced after going on this long, trip, and that is that against it, must not in the future come upon the floor of the there is one gentleman in this party, and that is Judge TILL House in advocacy of any plan of economy without expecting MAN." [Applause.] I said, "I try to be a gentleman myself." to have this thing brought up against them. He said "Yes you have symptoms occasionally, but you do not Mr. MOREHEAD. How about the raise in salary here yes get ver~ far w'ith it when anyone opposes something you want." terday? Would one who did that be placed in the same attitude My friend from Arkansas paid me a fine compliment. A of opposing economy? gentleman suggested after he got through that if I can make Mr. CARTER. Oh, if the gentleman had listened he would the people in Oklahoma believe all he says I should never have known that the reason for the raising of those salaries need to make another campaign in my State. I could never was that it effected an economy, because while raising the expect to do so. salaries it reduced the number of employees by 50 per cent, I am surprised that the gentleman should make ·the state making an actual reduction in the total of 20 per cent. ment that he did after his long service on the Indian Afl'.airs l\1r. MOREHEAD. Where they were raised from $2,500 to Committee. The gentleman lmows that from the day he entered $4.000? Congress to this good day in my service on the Indian Affairs Mr. CARTER. Yes. That has nothing to do with this. Committee and in my service in this House I have tried. to Mr. MOREHEAD. Does not the gentleman think that the reduce the appropriations from the Treasury for the expendi same inspectors will be retained that are now serving there? ture of funds for Indian affairs in Oklahoma. When I came J:\fr. CARTER. Oh, if the gentleman had but listened to the here they were spending over a mllllon dollars, and now that debate, be would neve1· ask that question, becau e both the amount has been reduced by more than one-half. In this very gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRAMTON] and myself stated bill we have made a cut on my suggestion in the administra that we had been assured by the department that just that thing tion of the affairs of the Five Civilized Trlbes--a cut in the would not happen. There were eight officers, at $2,500 a year. probate attorneys for the Five Civilized Tribes-and we have We reduced the number to fonr and made the salary $4,000, and cut practically every appropriation from the tribal funds. So thus sa"\ted $4,000 of the total amount which had been thereto the appropriations are being decreased every year for Okla- fore appropriated. The department head ~aid in answer to a homa, perhaps. · direct question that the same men would not be retained but The bureau claims we hav-e cut to the extent of embarrassing that they would get men who were better equipped and who the bureau in its service rendered in that State. could do the worlt which the men they have now could not do. When I came to Congi·ess there were seven land offices in 1\1r. TILLMAN. Why was it necessary to give this assistant Oklahoma, as I now recall Sil of those offices have been librarian $4,500? abolished, leaving but one, and in the last elimination the last Mr. CARTER. I do not recall about that, but if the gentle remaining land office at Guthrie was consolidated. When we man wants to move to cut it out I will go with him on it. took up this matter of abolishing and consolidating land offices l\:Ir. CRAMTON. There ls nothing of that kind in this bill in making up this bill, while knowing that I might incur the Mr. CARTER. l\Ir. Chairman, my good friend from Oregon; displeasure of the gentleman representing that district [Mr. Mr. SINNOTT; who boasts that be is one of the best hands in SWANK], I made inquiry o.f the bureau head to ascertain if it the world to jimmy into the Treasury of the United States- would be possible to abolish the Guthrie Ian I can understand how gentlemen on the Repnbliean side favor at Sweetwater, in Nolan County, in his district, and doubt this amendment, because Republicans are naturally extrava less the people of that splendid little city neeo the post office gant and careless with the people's money, but we Democrats there. I know the people, and they are very good people. are expected to be economical I can understand that those Mr. SUMMERS of Washington. A post-office building? gentlemen have their friends in some of these offices and do Mr. HUDSPETH. A post-0ffice building. not want them abolished; but how on earth our good Demo Mr. KNUTSON. How big a town is it? cratic friends can go to all the trouble they do to continue use 1.fr. HUDSPETH. Some four or five thousand. I do not less Hepublicans in u eless offices is beyond my feeble compre know it exactly. It is a good town. I like Sweetwater-not hen ion. So it seems to me that this amendment ought to ha\e the Vol tead kind-but the town of Sweetwater in western the unanimous support of the Democratic side of the House. Texas. It might be that people like my friend Mr. KNuTso~. and a few ?t.Ir. BLANTON. The gentleman has buf one town in his en others on the Republican side who have appointees in office, tire 50 counties larger than Sweetwater. would feel constrained to oppose the abolishing of an office, Mr. HUDSPETH. Yes; possibly two or three. Let us see but the same thing certainly does not apply to Democratic again where the gentleman lost his snickersnee. Tbe gentleman Cougressruen under this administration. asks an appropriation of $80,000-- ~Ir. LEAVITT. I am wondering whether it ls not very un 1\lr. KNUTSON. 'How much? usual for a Democrat to look at these things from the angle of l\Ir. HUDSPETH. $80,000. public policy instead of political office? l\1r. K .. TUTSON. Good God t Mr. CARTER. Oh, no; that is a very usual thing for a Mr. HUDSPETH. Just a small sum to build a small po t Democrat to do. In fact, it is unusual for them not to do so. office in the town of Sweetwater, Nolan County, State afore I arn not surprised that the gentleman's side of the House is said. Now he introduced a bill December 5, in which he a ked not for ~conomy; but I think the Democratic side should ftand for the modest sum of . 100,000 to erect n post-office building for economy now and in the future as it has in the past. at Breckenridge in Stepllens County. Ir. RICHARDS. What is the gentleman's position so far l\Ir. KNUTSON. Ho~'' big is Breckenridge? a the Elko office with it 18,000.000 acres is concerned? The The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. receipts of the Elko office exceeded the expenditure by l\Ir. HUDSPETH. Will the gentleman yield me five minutes $231. more so I can complete the story of the J0st snickersnee? fr. CR.AMTON. Yes; it took 97 per cent of the receipts to l.\lr. CLARK of Florida. I will yield th'e gentleman tbree p ny the expen ~ es. minutes additional. Mr. CARTER. The reason that office was cut out wa~ be The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman is recognized for three cause it took practically all of the receipts to pay the sa!aries. additional minutes. lr. 13LAFTON. And the President yesterday filled th2 last Afr. HUDSPETH. At Bi-eckenridge the judgP asks an ap , 12,000 position that was available, and he has to retain the....c::e propriation of $100,000 for a post-office building. That is in other little offices for the smaller fry. an oil country and it is probably needed. I want to show you Mr. CARTER. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the remainder -0f how fast and furious the jndge barks when he gets close to my time. home. [Laughter.] Again on December 5 the judge in l\lr. CLARK of Florida. Afr. Chairman, I yield fiye minutes trodured anotber bill to establish a post office in Enstland, in to the gentleman from Texas [ ~ fr. HUDSPETH]. Eastland County, State aforesaid. for which he asks the molle::it Mr. HUDSPETH. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the com um of $100 000. Again on December the same day, you re mittee, I make bold to say I am not always in favor of economy, member, he is going to make a raid on the Treasury at the if by practicing that economy it works to the detriment or the same hour, the same clay, he asks for an appropriation for the incon'\"cnience of the people as a whole. Now, I am asked why erection of a post office at Ranger in Ea. tland County, both am I interesting myself against the abolishment of these land in the same county, to be paid out of the public funds, of offices. Well, we have no public lands in my Stnte. We were '100,000. Again on the same day and the same hour, the wise enough when we went into the Union to re erve the great judge introduced a bHl asking for an appropriation for a post body of land which we donated to the school fund of our State, office building at Cisco, Eastland County, with nn appropr ia mo. t of which has been sold for the benefit of that school fund. tion of $100,000. Again on tlle same day, December the 5tl1, nut, gentlemen, I live within 2 miles of the New Mexico line. the judg-e asfo;; for an appropriation of $30,000 tn complete a I ha ve practiced law in New Mexico and I have ranched in po t-office building at Comanche, in Comanche County, Tex. New Mexico. I know the benefits of these braneh land offices. They already had appropriated a certain sum for a public You take the lancl office at Las Cruces, N. Mex., and if you buildin.g, but the judge said it was not -sufficiem. abolish that land office, which this bill does not provide, .but l\Ir. BLANTON. Will the gentleman yield? it does abolish the Clayton land office, then you force a poor Mr. HUD~PETH. I will yield. man who takes up Government land if he had a contest, which l\1r. BLA.i.""{TON. l\Iay I ask my friend from Texas if he he can now go and settle at Las Cruces or Santa Fe or Clayton, was the Representative of my district would he have done le:-:s? witlwut the aid of a lawyer-you force him to employ a lawyer J\lr. HUDSPETH. I want to state now that I think the to prepaTe his contest, thereby saddling upon him an expense judge probably needs most of these offices in his district, and that he can ill afford to pay. Now, I have to differ, gentlemen I want also to state that T ti.link it will he amply shown that of the House, with the statement of my colleague from Texas, the people want and need 1hese Jand offi<'es retained through Judge BLANTON, just made in reference to the abolishment of out that country. [Applause.] .A.nd I want to state ro you, the e offices. Now, I agree with the judge in his policy of .Tudge. that in case you are going to ask the gentleman repre- economy in some instances and in some I do not, and I was f'Dting the sixteenth district if he also did not introduce some rather amused at the statement where the judge referred bills, I will say, "Yes, I jntrodured three," and if my friend to the pork being distributed by the retention of these from Kentucky [Mr. LANOI.EYl shows any symptoms of bring office throughout the country. Well, I recall when Judge ing out an omnibus public building bill I shall introduce several Ih:.A. TON made his successful race for Congress for the first more. We need them in that rapidly growing district of time, in whieh he had my consent to win, that he told the rural mine. But, Judge, you must indol'Se my acts here, , because population throughout the district, part of it in my distlict at you are on record as bavinJr indorsed me beretofore, becnuse the 11re eut time, that he sprung from the soil; that he used to you tood on the streets of Miles, on the line that divides my plow a bob-tailed filly over there in Fayette County, in the district from yours, and made a ·peecl1 last year, in which you di trict now represented by Mr. Buca.A:-.AN,_ and that he was said that I was "the bigge::it thing in Congress." [Laughter.] one -of the real farmers. Well, I notice, my friends, that the I do not know whether you meant physically, mentally, o ~· judge in riding that bob-tailed filly around o\er the domain of morally. I am not going to try to deceive myself; but I am economy when be struck the seventeenth district the filly fell, going to try to make the people believe that he meant mentally. you see, so the judge lost his snickersnee. [Laughter.] _.,.ow, [Laughter.] let us ee where he lost it. I took occasion when the judge Mr. BLANTON. I think the former State senator from made his statement in regard to cutting off the little land offices Texas, whose district adjoins mine, is one of the most \aluahle that most of them did not pay a revenue into the Treasury men thflt we lrnve in Congress. to look it up, and all the land offices in the United States pay l\fr. HUDSPETH. Now, my friends, I have not time to enu I a net revenue into the Treasury of $8,000,000 over the ex merate and analyze the work -0f all the land oflices this bill J penditures, and they were created for the con"\"enience of the seeks to abolish, but I want to mention the land <>ffice at Harri people. [Applause.] Now, let us :: an kinds of incenvcnie aes in doing without an a-dequate post in wfiieh the- Government of the United States owns the coal oftlc!e: building. But tbey all know. my position on this ques rights, making a sum total of 121,100 acres in the land district tion, and they are willing: to wait untl1 such a time a:s the of tlie- land; office of :Montgomery. So the land office at Mont Government is financially able to weather a public-building gomery has over 100,000 acres in its district. And let me sa:v program. . this to· you: That these coal lands,. some 68,000 acres in ~ l\Iy colleague: fl:om Te:'m.S [:Ur. R'UDSPETH] represents 38 State of Alabama, are of great- importance. and a great amount counties:; yet. accorcli:n~ to the last eensuSj they embrace only of money is received from them in the way of rents, leases, or 230,{S77 people, there being. 83,137 more people living in my bonuses. Of the money thus derived, 10 per cent goes into the district than li.'Ve in his. And let me tell my colleague further, Fe-deral Treasury, 52! per cent into the rec:amation :fund of there are exactly 6.330 moi:e people living in my district, a:c tlie United States, and 37! per cerrt to fue State in whicli the cor Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I yield six minutes to the continued were actuated by the single purpose of saving the gentleman from Tennessee [l\1r. BYRNS]. public money. From the knowledge which came to us as to 1\lr. BYRNS of Tennessee. Mr. Chairman, I dare say the the uselessness of these offices and that these officeholders gentlemen representing the districts in which those offices are could be dispensed with we have recommended the cutting located can offer some particular reason for the retention of down of this appropriation. We have made our recommenda either one of the land offices that the committee recommends tions. If the House in its wisdom decides to continue thi be discontinued. The proposition confronting us here to-day expen e upon the taxpayers, of course that is for you gentle i. simply whether or not we will save $173,000 per annum men to determine; but I appeal to you, gentlemen, upon the for the taxpaye1·s of this country. [Applause.] We hear Republican side, whom the people of this country are going to much of tax reduction. The people in all of our districts are hold responi::ible for these appropriations, to vote down these demanding that Congress give them a material and a general motions and to sustain the effort of the Committee on Appropri tax reduction, but you can not reduce taxes unless you reduce ations to s..1.ve $173,000 of the people's money. [Applause.] the expen ne essary to save expense by consolidation of the office of these offices ought to be eliminated. Of course you are going register and receiver. to do what you please. We come to you with the recommenda Mr. HUDSPETH. Will it disturb the gentleman 1f I inter tion that we believe to be justified by all the facts in the rupt him? case. There is not a thing in the world that can justify the Mr. MORROW. No. continuation of these facilities, not a thing, except it be a l'tfr. HUDSPETH. If they abolish the land office in New justification that some individual may want it. Kow that does Mexico-and you have lands all over your State-how far will not appeal to me at all. The only thing that appeals to me the people have to go to the next land office to file their appli is what should we do. We have done what we ought to do cations for patents for homesteads, for desert entries, defend and we present the case to you. You are the court. You ing contests, and getting mineral rights? decide. We are the servants, and we hope you will concur in l\fr. MORROW. If the Clayton land office is abolished, a dis what we recommend. If you do, you will be serving the best tance of 150 miles and by railroad 200 miles to Roswell, interests of the American people. If you do not, why we will N. :Mex., the nearest adjoining land office. have to concur with you, but we will realize that we are not l\lr. HUDSPETH. You have no great railroad facilities and doing what we ought to do. [Applause.] have to go across the country by dirt roads? The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman bas expired: Mr. MORROW. That is true; and the only land office in my Mr. CLARK of Florida. l\Ir. Chairman, I yield five minutes district affected is the Clayton land office. I am willing that to the gentleman from Louisiana [l\Ir. FAVROT]. the offices of register and receiver should be consolidated. l\Ir. FAVROT. l\fr. Chairman, as I understand it, these land The public lands should be so administered in every way offices were established in the different States, not for purposes as not to hamper settlement and not to increase the expense of profit, not to make money for the Government, but for the of the homesteader or settler upon the public domain. This is accommodation of the public. It should be the policy of Con e pecially true of the · lands still remaining in all the public gress, and especially when we can do so without undue ex land States. It is also true that the expense in the operation pense to the Government, to continue them for the benefit of of these offices that are established-that when the lands are the public. Thls proposal to abolish these offices, as I under reduced so that the expen~e of operation far exceeds the rev stand it, did not originate in the Interior Department, did not enues the same be discontinued. originate with the General Land Office, under whose control These land offices, favorably located, have assisted very these offices are and whlch bas to deal with the matters handled materially in the settlement of our at one time vast public by these offices, but it did originate, ·as I am informed, with domain. this committee, that proposes to abolish these offices not be Criticism can not be directed against the committee; it meant cause they are not needed, not because they are a burdensome a saving of public funds. Yet while it might put a few thou expense to the Government, but because they have not made sands into the United States Treasury, it in turn would take what the committee deems to be a sufficient profit. In other a much larger amount from the settlers in larger expenses in words, these offices are abolished because they have not made their efforts for filing and in making their proof of title to the what the committee thinks is sufficient money for the Govern land. ment. I submit that should not be the policy of Congress. What the Government would gain in retrenchment by doing These offices were not established for the purpose of profit away with these offices, as has been argued by some Members and should not now be treated as mere instrumentalities of who are opposed to the retention of certain land offices, would profit. They should not be treateu as mere money-making be lost in additional expense and inconvenience to the settler. concerns, to be continued just so long as they make money The settler upon the public domain is entitled to every con and discontinued the moment that they fail to make money. sideration. This committee has adopted a rule, as I understand, to abolish Tbe establishment of the great western country has been due an office when its expenses exceed a certain percentage of its to the agriculturist The great public domain has called the revenues. In short, the continuance or discontinuance of a . etUer westward. With the passing of the past half centu1·y land office, the continuance or the discontinuance of a public nearly all, if not all, the agricultural land within the area of convenience, the continuance or discontinuance of an accom that part of the United States where crops can be grown with modation for the public is to be dependent solely upon the size out irrigation has passed into private ownershlp. There re of its pro~ts, and these offices are to be continued so long as mains only the arid and semiarid lands of the Mountain and their profit reaches a figure fixed by this committee but to be extreme Western States and swamp lands in a few of the other abolished the moment their profits fail to reach that amount. public-land States. Then why hamper the further settlement In determining the continuance or the discontinuance of a And occupation of the remaining and cheaper class of lands land office, the determining factor should not be profit. The belonging to our Government? It has been the principal policy convenience of the public, the public interest, should be the of our Government to assist in the settlement of our public test. As I have said, these offices were established for the con lands. venience of the public. They were established for the accom The retention of many of these land offices means a service modation of the public. They were established to facilitate the to the citizenship who have braved the hardships of settlement transaction of the business of the citizens with the Govern in a new field, and whose citizenship is worthy of the country ment, and for that reason we should continue these offices even : 111 which they have chosen their future home. at some expense to the Government. Certainly we should con In my opinion, the reducing of the opportunity to secure tinue them when we can do so at no expense to the Government. quick, adequate, and proper title to their lands, in reducing Furthermore, some of these offices are the only land offices tllei r conveniences for obtaining title, is wrong and should not in certain States, and if they be abolished all the land busi prevail. ness of those States must be transacted at and with Washing [By unanimous consent, l\Ir. HUDSPETH and Ur. BLANTON ton, and all information concerning public lands must be sought ·were given leave to extend their remarks in the RECORD.] at Washington. l\Iany of these land offices have a number of i\fr. CRAl\ITON. l\fr. Chairman, I yield three minutes to uncompleted entries, a number of contests. That business also the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. MADDEN]. must be transferred to Washington, and it is a long distance l\fr. MADDEN. l\1r. Chairman and gentlemen of the com from some of these States to Washington. Tbe transfer of mittee, I conceive it to be the first duty of the Appropriations this business would mean no little inconvenience, and weuld Committee to treat e\ery subject that comes before it on the work a real hardship to many of the citizens of those States. oasis of the facts presented. The committee has no friends [Applause.] to serve and no enemies to punish. It has only one client, and Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I yield two minutes to the that is America. [Applause.] We present the case to yon gentleman from Maryland [l\fr. H.rLr.. ]. after caref ul consideration and deliberation. We present every Mr. HILL of Maryland. Mr. Chairman, the bill as drafted 1.:ase on the facts, and we present this case on the facts. We consolidates 9 land offices in the Interior Department and tlnd tile facts to be in the case of the public-land offices that eliminates 16 offices, thus doing away with 25 offices and saving tlwse recommended to be abolished are not needed. That is the roughly $102,787.55 a year. It is very natural that the Mem fact. Those intended for other treatment are treated on the bers in whose districts these offices are should object to their lmsis of the facts. being removed, but this is a type of reform that applies not only Now if facts have no weight in the consideration of the to land offices-and I say this as a member of the Committee prol>lems that come before us an Acres. If you could but see the condition and ·the service the Elko 0 14,951,860 office renders, the paternal hand of the Government would be ~~~ :ri~i1co::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 16,491, 564 18,091,187 extended rather than withdrawn. Compare my request to the California ------18, 717, 183 cost and the loss to the Government in the instances of a ~{:~~~:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 25,242,338 bombing and scrapping of an obsolete battleship. I do not take Nevada------52,690,645 opposition to such things. It may be good business conducive Grand total (24 States>------185,933,242 to good government and proper protection to our people, but" compare the difference in the results of the dollar spent. The Unappro fighting ram is a loss to start with covering an expenditure of priated millions, an engine of war created for the purpose of extermi Nevada. Entries. and unre served. nating our fellow men, while the dollar spent in assisting a ...... homesteader to make a home for himself and family is not only conducive to good citizenship and a building from within Acres. that is just as essential as protection from without, but it is a ~'ti~~~-~!~:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: r~;~~: ~ living asset of happiness and wealth -to our people for all time 1----m1---- and a monument to good government. State total...... • . . . • • • • • • . • . . • • • • • • . • • • • • . • • • . . . . • . 576 62, 690, 645 Give us the price of a few battleships and we shall make a desert a blooming paradise, creating millions of wealth and Expendi homes for thousands of people. Receipts. tures. Profits. Consider the public funds for rivers and harbors. No one objects to this. It is a governmental policy in conserving and Elko...... • • . . • . • • • • • • • . • • ...... • .. • . • • . • • . $6, 631. 39 !6, 400. 00 $231.31 protecting its natural resources. We all contribute to the same willingly. The Government has no desire to commercially ex ploit the same for its welfare, but does this big thing for the Nevada contains nearly one-third of the total public-lands good and welfare of its people. This is as it should be. acreage in the United States. I appeal to you men to forget politics and to vote for this Elko office has jurisdiction over 18,538,443 acres, one-tenth of amendment. To you of ·the Democratic side I appeal most ar the total public lands of the Government. dently to reflect upon your inherent Democratic faith. There Jurisdiction of Elko office embraces the following counties: is not one of you who has not sworn allegiance to foster and All of Elko, all of Eureka, all of Lander, all of White Pine, approve legislation that is beneficial to the under man. My part of Nye, and part of Lincoln. colleagues on the other side of the House are forever asserting Serving an area of 40,000 square miles, this office has become their desires and ambitions to legislate for the good and welfare a cherished business asset to the people of this section of my of their fellow Ame1ican. This is an opportunity for all. I State. It is a part and parcel of the economic structure of appeal to all of you in whom the teachings and the spirit of the things and essential from all angles as much as their post office. Nazarene has permeated your soul in the slightest degree to Deprive my people thereof and you bribg upon them great exemp1ify that Great Emancipator and evidence those teachings inconvenience, suffering, both in a physical and financial way, by doing a little charity for a handful of people in a section of and retarding the State in its development. our country who are in need of it. Should you abolish this office you sweep into the office at The CHA.IRl\IAN. The time of the gentleman from Neyada Carson City a mass of applications and contests for{!ign to its has expired. territory and far removed from the scene of activity. The l\lr. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, I· ask permission that the officials would be unfamiliar with the matters litigant, to say gentleman from Nevada may extend his remarks in the nothing of the additional inconvenience and expense to the RECORD. claimants from a viewpoint of prohibitive cost. This would l\fr. RICHARDS. Mr. Chairman, I ask that permission. I result ofttimes in disaster to all parties concerned and great am only a suckling in this aggregation of intellect, virtue, and detriment to our State. A miscarriage of justice is easily con sob1iety, but I expect some day to absorb those charming hu ceivable under such circumstances, because the rightful claim man characteristics to any extent that I am not now possessed ant might be unable to finance a showing before the proper of them. [Laughter and applause.] official and thereby be deprived of his rights by one otherwise l\lr. CLARK of Florida. Mr. Chairman, we represent the not entitled thereto. affirmative. I thought the gentleman from Michigan. [Mr. There are but two land offices in the State of Nevada, the CRAMTON] should conclude. one in question serving over 18,000,000 acres and one in Carson The CHAIRMAN. It is customary that the gentleman in City serving over 34,000,000 acres. They are over 300 miles charge of the bill shall have the opportunity of closing. apart, the railroad expense between Elko and Carson City being l\ir. CL.ARK of Florida. l\1r. Chairman, I yield to the gentle about $25, and the overland travel is upon the roughest of man from Mississippi [Mr. COLLIER] five minutes. roads. The people situated farther east, north, and south of The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Mississippi is recog Elko must of necessity suffer additional hardship of a similar nized for five minutes. nature. Why deprive my people of this governmental function that does not cost our country a cent? I say this in the face Mr. COLLIER. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the House, of the fact that the argument is made by our opponents to the I think I can with some truth say that in the 15 years that effect that the Government is being deprived of its land and I have served as a Member of this House I have been to a not being properly remunerated therefor. The land in my large extent an advocate of economy. But I believe, my State is absolutely worthless without the hand of man, and the friends, in a common-sense economy, an economy that brings Government should encourage entry upon such lands, thereby about economy. We have heard it stated here time and time bringing into existence taxable wealth, a home for an Ameri again during this discussion that a saving of $170,000 would be can citizen, and more people and more prosperity for our sec brought about by the abolition of these offices. I deny it. I tion. Again, this is a governmental policy and should not be deny that it will save half of that sum. I deny it because if measured by the dollar rule. work done heretofore at these local offices is to be transferred Gentlemen, I wish to say we are fortunate enough to have elsewhere and done at other places it will require additional engaged in a new industry in and about the vicinity of Elko ; forces elsewhere, and therefore I deny that it will produce a namely, that of prospecting for oil by drilling, together with saving. the extraction of that commodity from oil shale. Every con But, 1\Ir. Chairman, I am not basing my objection to the pend fidence is had and every hope held out for producing wells, in ing paragraph of the bill on the ground of economy. I think which event the Elko office will be a boon to my people, as well this debate itself well shows that economy is very much a local as a source of great income to the Government. The produc issue. I have sat here all day and heard my good friend from tion of oil from oil shale is passing through the experimental Texas [Mr. Br.ANTON] declaim about economy. stages ; wonderful results have been accomplished ; and from Yet I beard it stated here to-day that he had introduced into latest information I obtained people are confident that it will this House in one day a number of public building bills at a soon be a practical - industry, which, again, will renew the proposed cost that would run the Jackson land office for a activities of the Elko office to the great benefit of our Govern century and a quarter, even if it never took in a cent of re ment. We possess mountains of shale within our public lands. ceipts. But the Jackson office turned into the Public Treasury Always keep in mind that it is at present serving a pioneering last year about $4,000. The gentleman from Oklahoma [Mr. and deserving people of the farming and mining world. In CARTER], a man \vhom I not offly regard with friendship, but fact, they are pioneering in every activity nature bas favored with affection, threatens this House, and issues an ultimatum, us with. It is known as a State ot few people and magnificent and says that any Democrat who votes against this item in the . ·distances, which shows we are still pioneering. bill will be estopped fore-rnr from coming back here and talking 1292 CONGRESSIONA.L RECORD-. HOUSE. J .A.NU ARY 2 2, and voting for economy. And then he takes up all the re state in each case how much it cost during the last :fiscal year mainder of his time in explaining why he had helped to take to operate the office and then what were the receipts. Now. land offices ont of other men's States and had left one in the I want to emphasize this : That when we speak ot receipts w~ State of Oklahoma. are .not talking about fees for the service performed ; we are :Mr. CARTER. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield for ta lkmg about all the receipts that come into the office, every n question? dollar taken into the ti1l, whether it was the price of land l\fr. COLLIER. Yes; I yield. sold, and whether the money represented returns from leases. l\lr. CARTER. Does not the gentleman know that .when I For instance, paralleling my friend's illustration if I owned first came to Congress there were seven land offices in Okla a million acres of land scattered over the West, a~d in Nevacla homa, and that an of them have been discontinued except one, I had an agent who was costing everything he got for the land and that bas been consolidated? [Applause.} which he sold for me, everything he got for any leases of Mr. COLLIER. I will let the gentleman from Texas [Mr. land and then 50 per cent more; bow much longer would I IlLANTON] do the applauding on that statement. keep that agency? [Applause.] I would give somebody the Now, gentleman, I want to say another thing, and say it land rather than to maintain the agency, and I suppose that sincerely and from the bottom of my heart. I regret very much would meet with wide response in the West. that this great Appropriations Committee of 35, clothed with Mr. SUMMERS of Washington. Will the gentleman yield? more power than a few years ago was thought possible for the l\fr. CRAl\.fTON. Yes; for a brief question. House ever to give-I regret to see that on every bill which Mr. SUMMERS of Washington. It must be :remembered . they introduce they encroach upon the juri diction of other that these agents are selling no land, but that these are home committees, and to-day they are encroaching upon the Juris steaders with whom they are dealing, and they are only col diction of the Committee on the Public Lands. [Applause.] lecting a small fee from tllem. I have not the time, in the limited time as my disposal, tb go Mr. CRAMTON. Well, that is more or less true. Ilut the into the land-office situation in my own State in detail I only Yakima office, for which the gentleman is appealing, took in refer to the law in force to-day that provides that even when a total of $5,734, and the cost to operate the office was $6,233, the acreage of the public land is under 100,000 there should be 109 per cent of all its receipts. During the la.st flscal year the one land office situated in that State. What are you going to do? earnings of the Montgomery, Ala., ofiice were $6.000 plusr and Are you going to abolish a land office that has been in existence the expenses $5,259, 87 per cent. But the gentleman from Ala for over 100 years 'l What are you going to do with the records bama [Mr. HILL] comes here with the pictm·e of a check, not in for that period? Are you going to pile up those record~ and that fiscal year bnt in this one. That check represented the send them to Washington, when in doing that some of them fncome received by the Go>ernment for coal leases- and wn.s may be lost or destroyed? Talk about economy! Everyone for $87,000. Now, that $87,000 wonld have come into the has access to the records at Jackson, and they can go and look Treasury just the same i.f that office bad been abolished. That at those records, while if this change is made they will have office has nothing to do with the supervision l\Ir. CRAMTON. I will have that figure in a moment; yes. The CHAIRMAN. The time bas been fixed by order of the Louisiana, we have heard from them. They have 9,000 acres, committee; and unless the committee sees flt to change that less than half a township, and it costs 00 per cent ?f the rev_e order, the time can not be extended. nues to maintain it. The office at Cass Lake, Mmn., I will The question is upon the motion of the gentleman from I say to my friend, the former whip, required 95 per cent af the Texas [lli. BLACK], which is in the nature of a perfecting revenues to maintain. Mississippi, Jackson, we just heard ~ amendment of the origlnal text. appeal about. ':'here are 19,000 acres, less than a township, Mr. EVANS of 1\Iontana. Mr. Chairman, I ask that it be I with 58 per cent of the revenues to maintain it. read for the benefit of the House. Mr. KNUTSON. Will the gentleman yield? Why does not The CIIAlllHAN. The Clerk will r eport the effect of the the "'entleman give the acreage in the Cass Lake office? amendment. M~. CRAMTON. Well, I do not know . that it helps the The Clerk read as follows : ! Treasury very much to have two or three hundred thousand Amendment offered by Mr. BLACK of Texas: Page 12, line 17, strike acres of swamp land that nobody is going to enter upon. out the words "Montgomery, Alabama," and In line 18 strike out the 1 Since the gentleman is on his feet, I will tell why I do not pay words " Gainesville, Florida." I much attention to the acreage in connection with Cass Lake. rrhe report shows that of the five counties in the district that Mr. CRilfTON. A parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman. have any acreage, there are Beltrami and Cass, where it is The CHAIBl\IAN. The gentleman will state it. said to be "generally swampy.'" Then there is Itasca~ Mr. CRAMTON. That is offered as an amendment to the Mr. KNUTSON. I challenge that statement. text of the bill? ·I1 l\fr. CRAMTON. I am just reading the official report of ~e The CHAIRMAN. As an amendment to the text of the bIIL Land Office. Koochiching " swampy, but generally timbered ; Mr. CRAMTON. I would be glad to have it reported again ; then there is Hubbard, "agricultural," 240 acres. And I have for the benefit of the committee. done my friend an injustice, there is also Itasca County, 84.0 The Clerk read as follows: acres, " agricultural" There is a total of 1,080 acres of agri Amendment offered by Mr. BLACK of Texas: Page 12, line 17, strike cultural land left in that district unentered. out the words "Montgomery, Alabama,." and in line 18 a.trike out t:ha l\Ir. SNYDER. Will the gentleman yield? words "Gainesville, 11'1orlda." l\Ir. CRAMTON. Yes. Mr. SNYDER. In that connection, I might suggest we have The CHAIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the amend just sent a million dollars up there to those people so the ment offered by the gentleman from Texas [Mr. BLACK]. land can not be worth very much anyhow. The question was taken, and the amendment was rejected. Mr. KNUTSON. That was for the Indians. Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment to 1\Ir CRA1\1TON. I am sorry I can not yield further. My perfect the text. time is about up and I think you need this further information. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Michigan offers a I can not go through this in d~tail The full details appear preferential amendment, which the Clerk will report. on pages 102 to 106 of the hearmgs. The Clerk read as follows : It is charged there is to be no saving in this proposition. Amendment offered by Mr. CRAMTON : Page 12, lines 10 and 11, strike One gentleman has said that by reason of this economy in t?e out the words "and Sacramento," and on page 12, line 21, strike out field we have added many thousand dollars to the appropria the words "Great Falla and" before the word "KalispelI," and also tion here in the District. I say to yon that we have not added strike out the words "Alliance and" before the word "Lincoln." one penny to the bill in the District by reason of' these econ omies in the field. I say to you further that after the com 1\1r BL.AJ\TTON. A point of order, Mr. Chairman. That mittee made up the list of offices that were to be abolished and would leave in the bills the names of the States where those to be consolidated we called in Mr. Bond, of the Land Office, towns are situated. The gentleman does not want to leave them in, I presume. and asked him what would be. the savings we could make fn the bill· and I have them listed here. It runs a little better l\lr. CRAMTON. There are other offices in those States. than $100,000 that the Land Office says will be the saving from l\1r. CLARK of Florida rose. this action. Further, if you check up the 21 offices that are The CHAIRMAN. For what purpose does the gentleman rise1 .to be abolished, you will find the total receipts of the 21 Mr. CLARK of Florida. I want the paragraph read, Mr. o.ffices--that is, all the land fees, the leases, and everything Chairman, as it would be with the amendment offered by the amount to $132,949 and the expenses $115,000. gentleman from Michigan. I did not catch it very clearly. Mr. ALLGOOD. Will the gentleman yield? The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the Clerk will again Mr. CRA~ITON. So that practically everything taken in f'or report the-amendment and the gentleman may follow it in the .the 21 offices was paid out, and there is one feature of that to bill, because it is perfecting the original text. remember, if my friend will pardon me a moment; that $132,000 Mr. CLARK of Florida. I was asking that it be: read as it. did not go into the Treasury of the United States. These land would appear if it was adopted. offices are in· the main supported out of the Treasury itself, The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Florida asks that the because 90 per cent of that $132,000 went into the reclamation amendment be read as it would appear if adopted. Without tund and in other funds to the States themselves and only one objection, the Clerk will so read the text. tentb, $13,000, went into the Treasury and $115,000 went out of Mr. BL.ANTON. I object, l\fr. Chairman. We can under the Treasury to maintain these 21 offices. stand the elimination of those- three words. l\fr. ALLGOOD. Will the gentleman yield? The CHAIR.MAN. Objection is heard and the question is Mr. CR.AMTON. I will yield for a very brief question only. on ag1·eeing to the amendment offered by the gentleman from Mr. ALLGOOD. Very well. You say there is no additional Michigan. expense by moving this work to the city of Washington. If Mr. WINGO. l\fr. Chairman, I make the point of order that you are doing this for the sake of economy, why did you not, it is not only proper to read the amendment, but to read the in your bill, do a way with all the offices? text as it would read if the amendment was adopted. Mr. CRAl\fTON. I will tell you frankly that if I could have Mr. BLANTON. The gentleman would be correct if the my way I would go further than we did in this bill amendment had not been once reported. Having been once Mr. ALLGOOD. Why did you not recommend that? reported by the Clerk, the gentleman's point of order is not Mr. CRil!TO . I am trying to get something accomplished well taken except it can be done by unanimous consent. and offer something that will go through. I knew I could not The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will state that the amendment get by with a sled-length proposltion like that. was read when offered, and without objection it will be again Here is the situation as to the saving. The Land Office has reported. Is there objection? contemplated transfers of clerks from an abolished office to a There was no objection. neighboring office where the business will go. The Clerk read as follows: Mr. ALLGOOD. Will the gentleman yield for another ques Page 12, lines 10 and ll, strike out Ute words " and Sacramento." tion? Page 12, line 21. strike out the words " Great Falls." Also strike Mr. CilAMTON. In just a moment. The savings that we out the words "Alliance and." report are the net savings as figured by the Land Office, keeping Mr. COLLIER. .A. parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Ohalrman. 1n view the neces ary transfer of some land-office clerks. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will state it. The CHAIRMAJ.~. The ttme of the gentleman has expired. Mr. COLLIER. Did the agreement as to the extension of Mr. STENGLE. Mr. Chairman, I move the time of the time refer to all amendments to the paragraph c gentleman be extended two minutes, in order that I may ask The CHAIRMAN. The Chair is informed that it covered him a quei:rtion. the paragraph and all amendments thereto. 1294 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JANUARY 22, ::Mr. WINGO. Does the Chair ru1e that the House has no The CHAIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the amend i·ight to have the full report show how the text would read ment. with the amendment adopted? The question was taken ; and on a division (demanded by Mr. The CHAIRMAN. It is in the power of the House, but CRAMTON) there were-ayes 125, noes 25. until otherwise ordered the Clerk will report the amendment. So the amendment was agreed to. l\lr. WINGO. What is the object in preventing the House Mr. COLLIER. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to ; from knowing what it is voting on? extend my remarks in the RECORD on the matter that we have The CHAIRMAN. The committee can do it at any time. been discussing by inserting therein an article from one of the l\lr. WINGO. Then I move that the Olerk read the text Jackson papers. as it would read if the amendment was adopted. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Mississippi asks The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Arkansas moves that unanimous consent to extend his remarks in the RECORD by in the Clerk read the text as it would read as amended by the serting therein a certain article from a newspaper. Is there amendment offered by the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. objection? CRA:MTON]. Mr. LINEBERGER. Mr. Chairman, reserving the right to The motion was agreed to. object, is this article of a political nature? The Clerk read as follows: l\Ir. COLLIER. It is on this land business, and it is not very long. Itegisters and receivers : For salaries and commissions 6£ registers The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? of district land offices and receivers of i>ublic moneys at dis Mr. 'UNDERHILL. Mr. Chairman, I ask the gentleman if it trict land offices, at not exceeding $3,000 per annum each, $232,000: is his own composition or something else? Pro1>ided, That the offices of the registers and receivers at the Mr. COLLIER. Mr. Chairman, I withdraw my request and following 11Ul4 offices are hereby consolidated, and the applicable pro ask unanimous consent to extend my own remarks in the visions of the act approved October 28, 1921, shall be followed in RECORD. e1!ecting such consolidations : Little Rock, Ark.; Eureka, Cali!. ; The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? :I Denver, Colo.; Hailey and Blackfoot, Idaho; Bozeman, Mont.; Las 'l'here was no objection. Cruces, Roswell, and Fort Sumner, N. Mex. ; Burns, La Grande, and Vale, Oreg. ; and Rapid City, S. Dak. : Provided ftirther, That the fol TAX-EXEMPT SECURITIES-PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. lowing land offices and the offices of register and receiver thereat are Mr. LITTLE. Mr. Speaker, under leave to extend my re- 1 hereby abolished, effective not later than .July 1, 1924: Montgomery, marks, I have the honor to present House .Joint Resolution No. ! Ala. ; Harrison, Ark.; Lamar and Sterling, Colo. ; Gainesville, Fla. ; 147, which I hope may have your earnest consideration, and. Lewiston, Idaho ; Topeka, Kans. ; Ba ton Rouge, La. ; Marquette, Mich. ; omitting the formal opening, it reads as follows: 1 Cass Lake, Minn.; .Jackson, Miss.; Kalispell, Mont.; Lincoln, Nebr.; The United States shall have power to lay and collect taxes on I Elko, Nev.; Clayton, N. Mex.; Dickinson, N. Dak.; Vancouver and income derived from any securities issued by or under the . authority of Yakima, Wash. ; and Wausau, Wis. the United States or any State before or after the ratification of this ; Mr. CARTER. Mr. Chairman, I think Gainesville, Fla., article whenever said income so derived shall exceed the sam of $12,500 ought to be included in the amendment. per annum. l\Ir. CRAMTON. I will accept that. If this proposed amendment to the Constitution should finally '. Mr. JOHNSON of Washington. I make the same suggestion be adopted by the people, the holders of the great fortunes . in regard to Vancouver. invested in tax-exempt securities will at once be encouraged to . The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentleman from Oklahoma make begin paying taxes on them or sell them and invest their money tpe motion? There is one amendment to the text, and only one in some way more conducive to the maintenance and extension 1 other can be offered. of general business. Tllis is the purpose of all the propo ed Mr. CARTER. I move to amend by adding Gainesville, Fla. taxing laws now before us, and I am able positively to assure The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the amendment. you that that end will be reached at once whenever this shall The Clerk read as follows: go into effect. It will absolutely solve and dispose of that . .Amendment by Mr. CARTER to the amendment of Mr. CRAMTON: In o-igantic problem which is wracking the country from cellar to Une 18, page 12, strike out the words "Gainesville, Fla." garret and threatening the prosperity and perhaps the exist ence of our republican, self-governing civilization. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment to the There has been some criticism of it offered by the suggestion · amendment offered by the gentleman from Oklahoma. that it is retroactive taxation. I have taken full cognizance of The question was taken ; and on a division (demanded by Mr. the seriousness of that suggestion and met that difficulty. Cr..AMTON) there were 75 ayes and 88 noes. Under this plan no change will be made concerning incomes of So the amendment to the amendment was rejected. $12,500 and less. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered The improvement will be entirely with regard to taxes on by the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRAMfoN]. incomes above $12,500, but there will be no change in the taxing The question was taken, and the amendment was rejected. attitude toward incomes of $12,500 or less. Those people ot The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered small means or moderate means or ordinary fortunes have in by the gentleman from Florida [Mr. CLARK] to the amendment vested their hard-won dollars in these State, county, municipal, of the gentleman from Oregon [Mr. SINNOTT], and the Clerk and Federal tax-exempt securities and, in my judgment, it will again report the amendment. would be very unjust and wholly unnecessary to cast any The Clerk read as follows : 1 further burden of taxation on those people. We are out to I Amendment by Mr. CLARK of Florida : .Amend the Sinnott amendment reach the great fortunes and great incomes and there is abso I by striking out the second proviso. lutely no other way proposed that will make them tax:a!Jle, but that does not compel us to shift burdens onto smaller people l The CHAIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the amend who already are carrying as great a load as they possibly can. \ ment to the amendment. 1 I do not wish to increase the taxes of men who already pay The question was taken; and on a division (demanded by Mr. their just share, which great fOrtunes do not. CLABK of Florida) there were 88 ayes and 83 noes. If we should undertake to compel everybody to either begin l\Ir. CRAMTON. I ask for tellers. payment of taxes on those bonds or sell them, such vast quan I Tellers were ordered, and the Chair appointed as tellers Mr. tities would be thrown on a market without any resources as CRAMTON and Mr. CL.ARK of Florida. would cripple the business of the country and lose us millions The committee again divided; and the tellers reported that and millions of dollars. I should be against that unnecessary there were 139 ayes and 109 noes. violence. So the amendment to the amendment was agreed to. Furthermore. if this should become the law of the land, the I The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered States, the cities, the counties, and the Government col}ld ~till by the gentleman from Oregon as amended by the amendment avoid the tremendous increase of their debts which would of the gentleman from Florida [Mr. CLARK]. follow an attempt to put all these bonds under additional taxes. The question was taken; and on a division (demanded by Mr. If, however, we permit these bonds to be held in amounts as \ 1924. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-ROUSE. 1295 yet, and I present this in the hope that thoughtful and studious here on the floor to 'help enforce the -action of his committee. men may consider it carefully, fully bearing in mind that the with reS}Ject to economy demanded by his President yesterday?, tremendous fortunes and incomes of recent years ha-ve chal 1\Ir. CR.AMTON. Now will the gentleman yield? lenged the masters of business to formulate new plans. Here Mr. BLANTON. '.In just a moment. ts an opportuiiity to figure on one in which I have endeavored Mr. ORAMTON. But I am afraid that I shall never get an to avoid a total destruction of the methods under whlch money answer to my question. bas been borrowed by the Government and the States, or the Mr. BLANTON. Oh, I shall give an answer to the gentle total destruction of all business by the accumula_tion of such man's -question in a moment. The gentleman fust offered an fabulous fortunes as ride the modern world like a Colossus. amendment following this vote of 136 to 1.09, to do -what? To Unless something of this kind is attempted yon will soon face add nearly $100,000 to one paragraph of the bill, and to the-very the same problems that now menace the ifuture of Great next paragraph of the bill that is read he adds $25,000 mora Britain. There must be somewhere, somehow, a limitation on of the people's money, giving the -foragers just what they the e stupendolliJ aggregations of wealth of whlch our ances wanted. tors never dreamed when they fought for our liberty in the The gentleman is going to llave to defend that action upon days of the great Revolution a:nd established the Constitution the hustings of the country between now and November next. of this mighty R~ublic, which sets an example of self-govern He is going to have to bi-ing to bear all of the ingenuity of the ment for the whole world. We must not permit that experi distinguished leader from Ohio [Mr. LoNGWORTH] if he over ment to fail, yet the threats of destruction a1ready almost have comes the feelings of the American people with respect to such reached the throat of tws Nation whlch we have inherited a wasteful disposition of their funds collected out of their from all the ages and by all the sacrifices humanity has made money 1n taxes. to make men equal before the law. You conscripted men when 1\Ir. CRAl\fTON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? you needed them; let wealth take .heed. We need it now as Mr. BLANTON. Now I can yield. never before, and as never before it is shlrking its duty. I Mr. CRAMTON. In the first place I shall be frank with the run .in fa-rnr of making the great fortunes and incomes pay gentleman and tell .him what is .in the mind of the chairman their taxes according to the graduated-income system. Are of the subcommittee. you? Well, here is your chance. Mr. BLANTON. Oh, the ,gentleman wm tell me too much, INTERIOR DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION BILL. because there is too much in bis mind. Mr. CRAMTON. When the committee rises the House wlll Mr. CRAMTON. MT. Chairman, I ask unanimomi consent have an opportunity for a record vote on the whole proposi to extend my remarks in the RECORD with .reference to this tion, and next-- paragraph. Mr. BLANTON. Oh, I can not yield to him further, because The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? my time iis limited. I want to show how unwise the chairman There was no objection. was. If he had not required a recard vote in the .House, I The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read. w.as going to do it myself by forcing a .roll call on a separate The Clerk read as follows : vote on this Sinnott amendment, but I am glad to hear that 1Contlngent expenses of land offices: -For clerk hire, rent, and 'Other he Js ,going to do it. However, after he gets enough -votes to incidental expenses of the district land offices, including the expenses knock -out the Sinnott amendment, in what situation will he of depositing public money ; rper diem, in lieu of subsistence., ot clerks find himself? Then he will have his two am€ndments adopted, detailed to examine the books and management of di-strlct land o:ffi.ces with $100,000 additional added to one paragraph and $25,000 and to assist in the operation of said offices, and in the opening o'.f more added to another. You are then going to have to get new land offices and reservations, when aUowed 'J1Ursuant to ·section action on two more propositions, asking ,us to vote down his 13 of the sundry civil appropriation act approved August 1, 1914, own amendments, either by a separate vote on them or in a and for actual necessary traveling .expenses of ·said clerks : Provided, motion to recommit, to strike out those sums from the bill. That no -ex.pen-see cbargeable to the Government e'ha11 be incurred by Why did he not leave the bill ~sit was? registers and receivers in the conduct of lo-cal -land office except upon Mr. CRAl\lTON. Unless the gentleman from Texas objects, previous specific authorization by the Commissioner of the General I will .have the three voted on together. Land Office, $3"30;000. Mr. BLANTON. I do not care to take 12p any more time of l\Ir. CRAl\ITON. Mr. Chairman, I offer the following amend ithe committee. If you will have the votes here, you will be ment, which '.I send to the desk. doing .fine business. The Clerk read as follows : Mr. CRAMTON. Will not the gentleman be perfectly frank? Amendment by Mr. CRAMTON : Page 18, line 14, after i:he word He -spoke of th"C whip getting Members in. :Will he not state " office," strike out " $330,000 " and insert " $355,000." that .nine out of 'ten of the votes that made up the 136 were seeured from his -side of the aisle a:nd not fvom this side? Mr. CR.AJ.\..ITON. Mr. Chairman, I am \ery sorry to be Mr. BLAI\"TON. Oh, I am goillg to be perfectly :frank with obliged to offer this amendment, but it is necessary in view of the gentleman. The remarks I am now making were made the action just taken by the committee. The -restoration of to stir up the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRAMTON], the tho e offices makes necessary the increase in this item as well gentleman from Ohlo [Mr. Lo'.NGWORTH], the gentleman from as in the preeeding item. Illinois [J\Ir. J.\lim>EN], and the Republican whip {Mr. VESTAL], 1\Ir. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the so that they would be sure to get the votes in here in tha amendment. I do this to call the attention of the country to interest of the people of America. [Laughter.] the fact that they have very sadly misplaced their confidence l\Ir. WINGO. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the last in the _present administration. I am sorry to see the chairman wo1·d. Well, the.re is one thing very evident, Mr. Ohairman, of tlris subcommittee -'' lay down " in the face of a little opposi and that is .that " me and Nancy--CRAMTON and BLANTON tion. Why, the time to fight bardest is when opposition con killed a bear." I do not know which is the real leader in this fronts us. What if they did carry the amendment? The carry- rivalry between too gentleman from Texas and the gentleman 1ng of the amendment to restore these twenty-odd land offices from Michigan. They talk about what they are going to do in 1n itself, without any .money, would have i'orced fhe land com the future. They are just aoout as badly confused as the gen missioner to do what the committee wanted him to do-abolish tleman from ~Ilchigan was about his mathematics. He said these offices in accordance with law-because he would have that 9 out of 10 men who 'Voted just now and went through been forced to do this if he had not been given any money ; but the tellers came from this side of the House. I suppose that bere we find the chairman of this subcommittee coming in here he meant the Democratic side. Well, that is an interesting and helping his enemies who routed him with their vote by mathematical problem with 435 Members, less than 300 ot giving them the necessary money to carry on these various 24 whom voted on that vote, for me to figure it ont. But enough land offices. of tllat. You talk about rea1 economy. They are quibbling Mr. CRAlVITON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? over the gentleman submitting to the decision of the committee. Mr. BLANTON. Yes, in .a moment; but I want to say a few That is all the chairman did. Wben tbe committee divided on words first. It is in my system and I want to get it out, and the main qn.estion, then the gentleman c11d not want to put it is likewi e in the system of the people of this counb.·y_ They him elf in the attitude of llis great committee really usurping are going to have tax reduction, sooner or later, by the stop legislative authority. He did not want to be put in the atti ping of needless e:q:>enditures. The chairman of this subco.m tude ot refusing to Qbey the decision of the committee, a legisla mi ttee was routed by the foragers' vote, because ·he could .not th'e decision. He said, " When we have to we will appropriate muster more than 109 votes to overcome 136. Where a.re his the money!' ! aommend the gentleman from Michlgan for . .men, in whom the people of this countr:y have placed their con being a law-abiding 1\Iember of this House as w~ll as a law fidence? Why has lie not had the whip busy to get them in abifilng citizen. I do not think it less reprehensible for a; 1296 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JANUARY 22,: Member of Congress to refuse to obey a law in considering an money requested for expenditure in each reservation, school, ol' appropriation bill than for him to refuse .to obey a la~ with other activity, whether gratuities from the Treasury, withdrawals reference to liquor. I did not say an~thmg about this .land from Indian funds, needed items, or otherwise, together with a de~ office business because the gentlemen directly interested m it tailed statement of the total expenditures from all sources an(J had a lot of time, but I am like the last gentleman ; I want funds for such reservation, school, or activity for the previous fisca1 to get a little something out of my system and I want to year." philosophize a little. You laid down the proposition, you who l\1r. CRil1TON. Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order1 represented the " battle-ax brigade," a little while ago, and I on the amendment on the ground that it is legislation and accord you sincerity-I am not going to debate whether it is not in order on an appropriation bill. wise-you laid down the proposition a while ago you were Mr. KELLY. The same sort of amendment was adopted going to abolish a public service that did not yield a revenue. last year and declared in order. I hate to see you adopt that standard because I know you Mr. BLANTON. It is clearly a limitation. are sincere ; you do not want to abolish the office ir;t my Mr. CRAMTON. I only heard the reading of it, but it BJ)" colleague's district [Mr. TILLMAN], you do not want simply peared to me to involve not a necessary saving on the face to abolish the office of the gentleman from Nevada, that is not of the bill but to involve Executive action. what you want to do. You simply want to follow this theory Mr. CARTER. As I heard the amendment read, it provide I I, 1924~ CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 1297 reau of Indian Affairs-statements which have never heretofore Mr. KELLY. Well, why should the gentleman object to a been furnished. The amount carried-$388,640-is an increase mandate, so that it will be done without fail? of $80,000 over last year. We have had several hours of debate Mr. CARTER. I do not object to it, except I think it should on a matter involving about $100,000, while here is an item be done without placing it in the law, that is all. As far as I increasing the appropriation $80,000. That $80,000 might very am: concerned, I shall insist on such inf-0rmation going into well be eJ...!>ended if from it we would get the actual facts as to the record next year, and I ask that the gentleman call om· the expenditure of a $13,000,000 fund in this bureau. My attention to it in order that we may not forget it. amendment seeks to provide that when the Bureau of Indian Mr. KELLY. I thank the gentleman. Affairs comes to Congress with its estimates next year it will l\fr. BLANTON. Will the gentleman yield? have statements as to the expenditures of these lump sums. 1\fr. KELLY. Yes. There are lump sums carried throughout this entire bill, in Mr. BLANTON. .As the gentleman from Oklahoma admits some cases running to millions of dollars and in other cases that what the gentleman from· Pennsylvania requests ought to lesser sums, but there is no person in Congress who can say be done, why should it not be done? Is there any good reason where those sums are spent. The bureau brings in very adroit why it should not be done now? explanations of certain expenditures, but never are they itemized l\Ir. SNYDER. There is only this about it, if the gentleman so that they can be grouped for real information. fr-Om Pennsylvania will permit, that it will add 20 more em There is provision in this bill, for instance, of $220,000 for ployees in the Indian Office and you will not get anywhere. wearing apparel in the schools. I want to know what reserva Mr. BL.ANTON. No; if they d-0 not know how they spend tion or what school gets that money. There is a provision for this money they ought not to have it. motor vehicles, $150,000 ; that is the sum carried in this bill for The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Penn automobiles during the coming year, and that has been carried sylvania has expired. for many years. Where is that money expended? I want to 1\Ir. CRilITON. 1\Ir. Chairman, in substance I agree with know the reservation and the school getting that money. I the suggestion of my colleague from Oklahoma [1\Ir. CARTER] want to lmow what the Chippewa Indians really get from the and I know the subcommittee is very glad to pursue any prac Government and from their tribal funds; what the Winnebago tical line of inquiry that may be desired, but the language Indians get, what the .Apaches get, and what the Pueblo Indians that the gentleman proposes in the bill goes much further than are getting out of all these lump sums. the committee would want to go and much further than the The last time I introduced this amendment it was stated by bureau could go without, as the gentleman from New York members of the committee that the Budget carried the informa [Mr. S~YDER] bas suggested, a large increase in expenditure. tion, but when we came to look at the Budget not a single bit What the gentleman from Pennsylvania wants, as I under of information was developed there. That is the information stand it, boiled clown, is this : He wants to know in advance I de ire. wllen the estimates are made, which is nearly a year before The general education item carried in the bill is $2,000,000, the fiscal year begins and nearly two years before it closes which includes $697,000 for salaries. There is an item of sup he wants to know just to a nickel how much of that money plies and materials, $650,000. Now, it is not a radical thing out of every lump sum in the bill is to be spent on each reser to say that those um ought to be segregated according to res vation. Now, as to irrigation, that is quite simple; as to erv-ations, and I do not see why the committee is not in favor schools, that is quite simple; but you take an item here such of my amendment. I should think the committee would be as the purchase of goods and supplies and the freight upon glad to accept an amendment of this kind, so that when the them, who can tell a year or two years in advance how much, next bill comes in we would have those details before us and be to a nickel, will be expended for freight upon goods for each able to understand them. It is purely a matter of business nccounting, and I think the chairman of the subcommittee him reservation? ·elf in the hearings questioned a member of the bureau enough Mr. KELLY. Will the gentleman yield? to show him that there have been mistakes in the calculations Mr. CRiliTON. I am sorry. Second, the pay of five In given. As I say, it is simply a matter of business finding out dian Service inspectors. Who can tell nearly a year in advance where this $13,000,000 goes, to what reservations and schools, what occasion will require an inspector to be one day on this and then we shall be able to find out whether or not too much reservation and a week upon another? Who can tell even as money is being spent. Therefore I would like to see my amend to the construction and repair of buildings just how much ment adopted. is needed on each building? It is a mathematical impossibility, i\lr. WILLIAMSON. Will the gentleman yield? and if they ever did make up the figures and present them l\Ir. KELLY. Yes. to Congress a year in advance you would have that bureau Mr. WILLIAMSON. .Are not all of these items set out in so tied up in strings that they could not function properly. uetail in the annual report of the Secretary of the Interior to l\fr. KELLY. Will the gentleman yield? the House of Representatives? Mr. CRilITON. Yes. l\Ir. KELLY. They are not. The report of the Secretary of l\Ir. KELLY. Of course, my amendment provides that a the Interior and of the Commissioner of Indian Affairs give year previous these figures shall be given and that is part of i1ractically no information at all. There was a time when the it, but the other part is to be an approximate estimate as to Bureau of Indian .Affairs made a report showing every dollar the money needed. of expenditure, and sometimes there were two volumes of in Mr. CR.AMTON. It will take them weeks to prepare that; formation regarding the expenditure of the $6,000,000 or $7,000,- and suppose this is adopted and suppose they do this in the 000 appropriated. But the last i·eport, and the reports for the bureau; then what happens? Why, that information does not last six or eight years, contained a few pages of tables without necessarily come to Congress. It goes from the Indian Service giving this information at all. to the Budget Otnce, and in this amendment there is nothing I think it is all the more important, in this day of economy to bind the Budget Otnce to send the Information to Congress. nnd retrenchment, that we should at least know where this So the gentleman might better ·1eave it to the committee to money goes. get that which it is possible to get, without insisting upon the Mr. CAR'l'ER. Will the gentleman yield? impossible and getting nothing. I hope the amendment may Mr. KELLY. I will yield to the gentleman from Oklahoma;· not prevail. yes. The CH.AIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the amend Mr. CARTER. .All the gentleman seeks to do is to have the ment offered by the gentleman from Pennsylvania. same information laid before the House with reference to all The question was taken; and on a division (demanded by matters as is now carried in the bill for irrigation? M:r. BLANTON) there were-ayes 22, noes 44. Mr. KELLY. The same thing exactly. So the amendment was rejected. Mr. CARTER. So as to have detailed information before the The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read. House? The Clerk read as follows : l\fr. KELLY. Yes. For pay of special agents, at $2,000 per annum ; tor traveling and Mr. CARTER. That has been somewhat eliminated by the incidental expem,es of such special agents, including sleeping-car fare, new arrangement of the bill, which I think is a good thing, but and a per diem of not to exceed ·$3.50 in lieu of subsistence, in the I agree with the gentleman that more detailed information discretion of the Secretary of the Interior, when actually employed should be furnished as to the amount appropriated for and ex on duty in the field or ordered to the seat of government; for trans pended on each reservation. Now, if the gentleman will not portation and incidental expenses of officers and clerks of the offic~ insist upon his amendment and let us get along, I think I can of Indian Affairs when traveling on official duty; for pay of em J I assure him that the committee will insist on that being done at ployees not otherwise provided for ; for telegraph and telephone toll the next Congres~ messages on business pertaining to the Indian Service sent and re- J J 1298 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-ROUSE. JANUARY 22, celved by i:lle Bureau of Indian A'fl'airs at WaShington; and for other there -for 1'7 days without being informed as to the chnrge necessary expenses of the Indian Service for which no other appropria- against mm. in fact, all the rights .guaranteed every human fion is available, $100,000 : Provided, That not to ·exceed $5,000 ot 'thia being in America were violated. appropriation may be used for continuing the work .of the Com- That is only one of many cases that have occurred. [n the patency Commission to the '.Five Ciivilized 'Tribes of Oklahoma: Pro- genera:1 debate I gave instances in California where 53 Indians vided, '.Dhat not to exceed $15,000 at the amount herein appropriated were seized by Indian police, under the superintendent's orders may be expended out of a.pplic: ble iunds in the ·work of deter:min- thrown tinto jail without notice of the chairges against them; lng the competency of Indians on Indian reservations outside of ,the and they were held withont right .or justice. I belie;ve that Five Civilized Tribes in Oklnlloma. Congress should go into these violations of rnndamental rights l\lr. HASTINGS. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the and see what authority there is for Congress to Cle1egate to any last word for tbe purpose of asking the chairman of the sub- executive ·officer t'he power of a judge, jury, and executioner. . committee a question, directing his attention to 11.ine 15 en We have no right to give an executJve officer the power of a page 15, wbere $3.50 is allowed in lieu of subsistence where judicial officer, and that is :t>eing exercised on all the reserva special agents are traveliug about over the country. If th'e tions. SnCh power leads to abuse, and through tbis abuse the gentleman will turn baCk to page 5, IJ.ine 23, he will find that lfudians have been den1ed their fundamental irights. $4 is allowed there in lieu of subsistence, a.nd I believe that he Mr. S~TYDER. Wm the gentleman yield? will find $4 is allowed in every other department of the Gov- 1\lr. KELLY. I will. ernment for this puTpose. l\fr. S~"YDER. What type of men are the judges and bow :Mr. SNYDER. And that is not enough. much are they paid? l\Ir. HASTIN-GS. And as the chairman of the -Committee l\fr. KELLY. Oh, their pay is very small. The 'SU:perin- or Indian Affairs says, that is not enough. I tllink this shoula ten.dent has to 0. K. the decisions, so they are but figureheads be uniform and if we allow $4 in lieu of subsistence to other to shield the superirrtend~mt. The superintendent bas to ap a.epartmerrts, I think this ought to '.be increased from $3.50 to $4. prove every or in any of our laws that relate to what might be termed a BOO. A communication fl"om the President of the United drug under that name, and therefore, inasmuch as it is not ·States, transmitting supplemental estimates of appropr·~tions authorized and there is no statute w.ach provides that it for the Department of Agriculture for the fiscal year ending should be included in the category of deleterious drugs, I do June 30, 1924, amounting to !!:48,550 ; also a draft of propn ed not see how it can be included in this bill without authoriza legislation extending and making available the appropriation tion ot law. of $150,000 contained in the first deficiency appropriation Mr. CRAl\fTON rose. act until December 31, 1924, for the prevention of loss of Mr. BLANTON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman from timber from insect infestations on public lands in Oregon and Michigan yield for a moment while I ask whether we will California (H. Doc. No. 163); to the Committee on Appropri have this point of order pending to-morrow? tions and ordered to be printed. The CHAIRMAN. If the chairman of the committee moves 301. A communication from the President of the United to rise, we will have the point of order pending. States, transmitting deficiency estimates of appropriations for Mr. CRA.MTON. Mr. Chairman, I move that the committee the Treasury Department for the fiscal years 1922 and 1923, ao now rise. amounting to $173,282.54, and supplemental estimates of appro-: · The motion was agreed to. priations for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1924, amounting to Thereupon the committee rose; and the Speaker having re $107,475,052.35; amounting in all to $107,648,334.89 (II. Doc. No. sumed the chair, Mr. TILsoN, Chairman of the Committee of 164) ; to the Committee on Appropriations and ordered to be .the Whole House on the state of the Union, reported that that printed. committee, having under consideration the bill (H. Il.. 5078) 802. A communication from the President of the United making appropriations for the Department of the Interior for States, transmitting a deficiency estimate of appropriation fot the fiscal year ending June 30, 1925, and for other purposes. the fiscal year 1920, $125.29, and supplemental estimates of bad come to no resolution thereon. apropriations for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1924, 328,· MINORITY REPORT ON AUTOMOBILE TAG RECIPROCITY. 555, for the Department of Labor, amounting in all to $328, 680.29 (H. Doc. No. 165); to the Committee on Appropriations Mr. BLANTON. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that and ordered to be printed. I have until Saturday to file a minority report on what is called the automobile tag reciprocity measure. I have this permission from the committee. I have been delayed in prepar REPORTS OF COMMITTEES ON PUBLIO BILLS AND ing the report. RESOLUTIONS. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Texas asks unanimous Under clause 2 of Rule XIII. consent that he may have until Saturday in which to file a Mr. NEWTON of Minnesota~ Committee on Interstate and minority report on what is known as the automobile tag reci· Foreign Commerce. H. R. 4366. A bill granting the consent of procity measure. Is there objection? Congress to the Great Northern Railway Co., a corporation, There was no objection. to construct, maintain, and operate a bridge across the 1\fls ORDER OF BUSINESS. sissippi River; with amendments (Rept. No. 78). Referred to Mr. GARNER of Texas. Mr. Speaker, may I inquire of the the House Calendar. gentleman from Ohio [Mr. LoNGWORTH] whether Calendar Mr. BULWINKLE: Committee on Olaims. H. Il.. 3386. A Wednesday will be continued to-morrow? Will you do away bill authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to pay war-risk with Calendar Wednesday to-morrow, or will you take up insurance to Elizabeth Thornton, foster mother of Edwru·d ' Calendar Wednesday business? Short; without amendment (Rept. No. 77). Referred to the Mr. LONGWORTH. We will take up Calendar Wednesday Committee of the Whole House. business. I understand the Committee on the Judiciary have some bills on the calendar, and they desire to consider some PUBLIC BILLS, RESOLUTIONS, AND MEMORIALS. of them. Under clause 3 of Rule XXII, bills, resolutions, and memorials ADJOURNMENT. were introduced and severally referred as follows : Mr. CRA.MTON. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now By Mr. KNUTSON: A bill (H. R. 5934) to pension soldiers adjourn. and sailors of the war with Spain, the Philippine insurrection, The motion was agreed to; accordingly (at 5 o'clock and 5 or the China relief expedition; to the Committee on Pensions. minutes p. m.), the House adjourned until to-morrow, Wednes By Mr. HOWARD of Oklahoma: A bill (H. R. 5935) to day, January 23, 1924, at 12 o'clock noon. amend section 26 of an act entitled "An act making appropria tions for the current and contingent expenses of the Bureau EXECU'.rIVE COMMUNICATIONS, ETC. of Indian Affairs, for fulfilling treaty stipulations with various Indian tribes, and for other purposes, for the fiscal year ending Under clause 2 of Rule XXIV, Executive communications June 30, 1922 " ; to the Committee on Indian Afl'airs. were taken from the Speaker's table and referred as follows : By Mr. FULBRIGHT: A bill (H. R. 5936) to extend the pro 200. A letter from the Secretary ot State, transmitting an visions of the pension act of May 11, 1912, to the officers and en· abstract of disbursements on account of the appropriations for listed men of all State militia and other State organizations that the Fifteenth International Congress against Alcoholism rendered service to the Union cause during the Civil War for made in the diplomatic and consular acts for the fiscal yea.rs a period of 90 days or more, and providing pensions for 1915, 1916, 1917, and 1918, as well as on account of the ap their widows, minor children, and dependent parents, and propriation for the sixteenth congress, made from the unex for other purposes; to the Committee on Invalid Pen ions. pended balance of these appropriations in the diplomatic and By Mr. HAUGEN: A bill (H. R. 5937) to empower certain consular act, approved March 2, 1921 ; to the Committee on officers, agents, or employees of the Department of Agriculture Foreign Affairs. to administer and ·take oaths, affirmations, and affidavits in 297. A. communication from the President of the United certain cases ; to the Committee on Agriculture. . • States, transmitting estimates of appropriations for the De Also, a bill ( H. R. 5938) to increase the subsistence and partment of Justice, amounting in all to the sum of $237,667.69; per diem allowances of certain officers and employees of the also a draft of proposed legislation authorizing the u e of Department of ..Agriculture ; to the Committee on Agriculture. the appropriation, " Detection and prosecution of crimes, Also, a bill (H. R. 5939) to facilitate and simpll:fy the work 1923," for rental of necessary quarters in the District of Co of the Forest Service, United States Department of Agriculture, lmnbia (H. Doc. No. 160); to the Committee on Appropria and to promote reforestation ; to the Committee on Agriculture. tions and ordered to be printed. Also, a bill (H. R. 5940) to amend an act entitled "An act 298. A communication from the President of the United for preventing the manufacture, sale, or transportation of adul States, transmitting deficiency estimates of appropriations terated or misbranded or poisonous or deleterious foods, drugs, for the United States Veterans' Bureau, vocational rehabili medicines, and liquors, and for regulating traffic therein, and tation, for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1923, $900,000, and for other purposes," approved June 30, 1906 (34 Stat. 768) so for hospital facilities and services. $5,000,000; in all, $5,900,000 as to authorize the Secretary of Agriculture to define and fix (H. Doe. No. 161) ; to the Committee on Appropriations and standards for articles of food, and for other purposes ; to the ordered to be printed. Committee on Agriculture. 299. A communication from the President of the United Also, a bill (H. R. 5941) to complete the construction of the States, transmitting deficiency and supplemental estimates of Willow Creek Ranger Station, .Mont.; to the Committee on appropriations for the legislative establishment of the United Agriculture. ' States for the fiscal year ended June 30, 1923, and for the By Mr. COLTON (by request) : A bill (H. R. 5942) to rec fiscal year ending June 30, 1924, amounting in all to $49,500 tify, coordinate, and decimalize the weights and measures of ,(H. Doc. No. 162); to the Committee on Appropriations and the United States; to the Committee on Coinage, We:lghts, and .ordered to be printed. Measures. · 1924. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 13011 By Mr. WEAVER: A bill (H. R 5943) amending chapter thei·eon at Onaway, Mich.; to the Committee an Publre Build 209, Thirty-se"enth Statutes, approved July 6, 1912, relating ings and Grounds to the Olmstead lands in North Carolina; to the Committee .Also, a bill ( H. R. 5965) to provide for the erection of a on Agriculture. Federal building at Boyne City, Mich. ; to the Committee on By 1\1r. WILLIA.MS of Illinois: A bill (H. R. 5944) to amend Publie Buildings and Grollilds. sections 301, 303, 305, and 306 of an act to regulate interstate Also, a bill ( H. R. 5966) increasing the limit of cost for a and foreign commerce in livestock, livestock products, dairy Federal building at Cheboygan, Mich. ; to the Committee on products, poultry, poultry products, and eggs, and for other Public Buildings and Grounds. purpo es, approved .August 15, 1921; to the Committee on By Mr. MARTIN: Joint resolution (H. J. Iles. 150) · re Agriculture. garding the classification of mosquito netting under the tariff By Mr. HAUGEN: A bill (H. R. 5945) to authorize the act of 1922 ; to the Committee on W y and l\Ieans. Secretary of Agriculture to issue licenses for the preparation By l\Ir. WOLFF: Resolution (H. Res. 156) providing for an for sale and transportation in interstate and foreign commerce investigation of Walter Reed Hospital concerning the white of viruses, serums, toxins, and analogous products for use in and colored ex-service men being placed in the same wards the treatment of domestic animals and to repeal so mueh of the and in adjoining beds at said hospital ; to the Committee on act of March 4, 1913, as relates to such products; to the Com Rules. mittee on .Agriculture. By Ur. PATTERSON ~ Mem-0rial of the Legislature of the Also, a bill (H. R. 0046) to amend section 84 of the Penal State of New Jersey asking Congress to examine the coal in Code of the United States; to the Committee on Agriculture. dustry and to suggest a remedy for the present insufferable Al o, a bill ( H. R. 5947) to authorize arrests by officers and conditions ; to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Com- employees of the Department of Agricultm-e in ertain cases merce. · and to a.mend Se<.'tion 62 of the act of J\Iarch 4, 1909, entitled "An act to codify, revise, and amend tbe penal laws of the PRIVATE BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS. United States"; to the Committee on Agriculture. By !\Ir. EDl\IO:NDS : A bill (H. R. 5948) to amend sections Under clause 1 of Rule XxII, private bills and resolutions 11 and 12 of the merchant marine aet. 1920; to the Committee were introduced and severally referred as follows: By Ur. ALDRICH: A bill (H. R. 5967) for the relief of on tlle l\1erchant 1\1~ rine and Fisheries. Grace Buxton ; to the Committee on Claims~ By Mr. SUTHERL~l): A bill (H. R. 5949) to establish an Ala ka game commission, to protect game animal land fur By Mr. ALL&~: A bill ( H. R. 5968) for the relief of Adah beari.ng animnls, and birds, and for other purp es ; to the Lee Mapel; to the Committee on Claims. Committee on Agriculture. By Mr. AR....~OLD: A bill (H. R. 5969) granting a pension By lr. YATES: A bill (H. R. 5950) to appropriate $500,000 to Nancy A. Viekery; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. for additions to and enlarging the Federal building, an $15,000 By Mr. BLAND : A bill ( H. R. 5970) for the relief of B. for the erection and equipment of an observatory for the use of Jackson; to the Committee on Claims. the Weather Bureau at Springfield, Ill, d for other purposes; By Mr. IJROW~'E of Wisconsin: A bill (H. R. 5971) grant to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grnunds. ing a pension to Emma J. Tobey; to the Committee on Invalid By Mr. REED of New York: A bill ( H. R. 5951) authorizing Pensions. R. the Secretary of the Treasury to contract for th~ enlargement, By Mr. CABLE: A bill (H. 59J2) granting a pension to extension, remodeling, and improvement of the present Federal Mary J. Noland; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. building in the city of Jamestown, in the State of New York; By Mr. CANFIELD: A bill (H. R. 5973) granting a pension to tlle Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. to Vance K. Stewart; to the Committee on Pensions. By Mr. COLLIEH: A bill (H. R. 5952) to provide for the Also, a bill ( H. R. 597 4) granting an increase of pension to erection of an addition to and the remodeling of the Federal Louise Landers; to the Committee on Pensions. building in th city of Jackson, comity of Hinds, and State of Also, a bill ( H. R. 5975) gran ting an increase of pension to Mississippi, and for other purposes; to the Committee on Public Lucy Jane l\fcGrayel; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Buildings and Grounds. .Also, a bill (H. R. 5976) granting a pension to Lida O'NeaI; By l\1r. CROWTHER: A bill (H. R. 5953) to increase the to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. cost of construction of the Federal building at Fort Plain, N. Y. ; By l\1r. COLTON: A bill (H. R. 5977) for the relief of H. R. to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. Payton ; to the Committee on Claims. By Mr. GALLIVAN: A bill (H. R. 5954) providing for a By 1\lr. COOK.: A bill (H. R. 5978) granting, a pension to site and public building for post-office and other Federal pur Lina Bahr; to the Committee on Pensions. poses at Boston, Mass. ; to the Committee on Public Buildings P.y l\!r. CROSSER: A bill (H. R. 5979) granting an increase and Grormds.. of pension to Daniel F. Stocker; to the Committee on Pensions. .Also, :i bill (H. R. 5955) to provide for the enlargement, ex By l\fr. DEAL: A biTI (IL R_ 5980) for the relief of the P . tension, and remodeling of the Federal building at Boston, Dougherty Co. ; to the Committee on Claims. Ma s.; to, the Committee on Public Bui1ding and Grounds. By Mr. DICKINSON of l\Iissouri: A bill (H. R. 5981) grant By Mr. HOW ARD of Nebraska: A bill ( H. R. 5956) to in ing an increase of pension to Nancy C. TJ.·oupe-; to the Committee crease the limit of cost of the public building in Central City, on Invalid Pensions. Nebr. : to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. By Mr. ED1HONDS: A bill (H. R. 5982) for the relief of the By Mr. KELLER: .A bill ( H. R. 5D57) authori'Zi.ng the city East La Have Transportation Co. (Ltd), etc.; to the Com of St. Paul and the city of Minneapolis, Minn., to jointly con mittee on Claims. struct a bridge across the Mississippi River- between said cities; By lli. ELLIOTT: A bill (H. R. 5983) granting an increase to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. of pension to Amanda J. Alford; to the Committee on Invalid By Mr. SAL.MO T : A bill ( H. R. 5958) for t:p.e purchase o.f a Pensions. post-office site and the erection thereon of a suitable public Also, a bill (H. R. 5984) granting an increase of pension to building at Waverly, Tenn.; -to the Committee on Public Hulda J. Gilmore; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Buildings and G'round.c:i. By Mr. FULBRIGHT: A bill (H. R. 5985) granting a pension By JI.fr. WATSON: A bill (H. R. 5959) to provide for the to Sarah J. Boone; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. enl rgement of the public buildillg for po t-oftice and other .Also, a bill (H. R. 5986) granting a pension to Sarah E. Fet governmental purposes at Norristown, Pa.; to the C:ommittee ters; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. on Public Building; and Grounds. By l\Ir. FULLER: A bill (H. R. 5987) granting a pension to By l\1r. PERKINS: A bill ( H. R. 5000) to provide for a site Casper Ilunz; to the Committee on Invalid Pensfons. and the erection of a building thereon at Ridgewood, N. J.; By 1\1r. GALLIVAN: A bill (H. R. 0088) granting a pension to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. to John Gately; to the Committee on Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 5961) to provide for a site and the erection Also, a bill (H. R. 5989) granting an increase of pension to of a building thereon at Phillipsburg, N. J.; to the Committee Mary E. Davis; to the Committl"e on Invalid Pensions. on Public Buildings and Grounds. Al ". a bill ( H. R. 5990) granting an increase of pension to Also, a bill (IL R. 5962} to provide for a site and the erection Harriet E. Waterman; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. of a building thereon at Rutherford, N. J.; to the Committee Also, a bill (H. R. 5001) for the relief of Thomas Hurley; to on Public Buildings and Grounds. the Committee on Military Affairs. Also, a bill ( H. R. 5963) to provide for- a site and the erection By Mr. GARRETT of Texas: A bill (H. R. 5992) for the of a building thereon at Englewood, N. J. ; to the Committee relief of the Houston (Tex.) Chamber of Commerce, and the on Public Buildings and Grounds. Hermann Hospital estate, and Bertha E. Roy and Max A. Roy, By Mr. SCOTT: A bill (H. R. 5964) to provide for the ac and Emma Hellberg and Laura. Lackner, and F. W. Laclmer; quirement of a site and the erection of a Federal building to the Committee on War Claims. ) 1302 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JANUARY 22, Also, a bill ( H. R. 5993) for the relief of Charles T. Clayton, Also, a bill (H. R. 6025) granting an increase of pension to l\lrs. E. A. Thompson, l\lrs. Ira D. Raney, Mrs. A. R. Carstens, Virginia J. Sawrey; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. 1\lrs. E. l\I. Jones. Mrs. D. R. Patton, Mrs. S. Satton, Mrs. Al;m, a bill (H. R. 6026) granting an increase of pension to Horace Moody, William J. Drucks, Mrs. El J. Meineke, Mrs. Alice Darr; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. 0. W. Wright, G. W. Butcher, T. Binford, Mary E. Winkler, Also, a bill (H. R. 6027) granting an increase of pension to W. H. Burkett, Mrs. F. H. Sherbert, W. A. Wise, and Almer Eleanore 0. Akers; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Reichart; to the Committee on War Claims. Also, a bill (H. R. 6028) granting an increase of pension to By Mr. GLATFELTER: A bill (H. R. 5994)' granting an in Angeline Lacey; to the Committee on Inrnlid Pensions. C'rease of pension to Vestiana A. McKinney; to the Committee Also, a bill (H.. R. 6029) granting an increase of pension to on Invalid Pensions. l\Ielissa D. Ellis ; to the Committee on Invalicl Pensions. By l\Ir. GOLDSBOROUGH: A bill (H. R. 5995) to authorize Also, a bill ( H. R. 6030) granting an increase of pension to a preliminary examination and survey of Wicomico River, in Mary Jane Brown; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Maryland; to the Committee on Rivers and Harbors. Also, a bill (H. R. 6031) granting an increase of pension to Also, a bill (H. R. 5996) to authorize a preliminary examina Amanda Baird; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. tion and survey of Choptank River, in Maryland; to the Com Also. a bill (H. R. 6032) granting a pension to Sophronia O. mittee on Rivers and Harbors. Hubble; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By Mr. GRAHAM of Illinois: A bill (H. R. 5997) granting u Also, a bill (H. R. 6033) granting a pension to Jennie J. pension to Susan A. Wilsey; to the Committee on Invalid Pen Dickey; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. sions. By Mr. RANSLEY: A bill (H. R. 6034) granting a pension to Also, a bill (H. R. 5998) granting a pension to l\fary Ann Eugene F. Clements; to the Committee on· Pensions. Harper; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 6035) granting an increase of pension to Also, a bill (H. R. 5999) granting a pension to Frances A. Bridget Trainor; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Harris; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 6036) awarding a medal of honor to By Mr. HOWARD of Nebraska: A bill (H. R. 6000) for the Albert S. Denning; to the Committee on Military Affairs. relief of the city of Columbus, Nebr.; to the Committee on Also, a bill (H. R. 6037) for the relief of James B. Connor; Olaims. to the Committee on Claims. By Mr. HUDSON: A bill (H. R. 6001) for the relief of John · Also, a bill (H. R. 6038) for the relief of Christopher P. E. Walker; to the Committee on Military Affairs. Rhodes ; to the Committee on l\Iili tary Affairs. Also, a bill ( H. R. 6002) granting a pension to Carrie M. By 1\1.r. ROBSION of Kentucky: A bill (H. R. 6039) grant Doucette; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. ing an increase of pension to Syntha Black; to the Committee By l\fr. JOHNSON of West Virginia: A bill (H. R. 6003) for on Invalid Pensions. the relief of The Old National Bank of Martinsburg, Martins Also, a bill (H. R. 6040) granting an increase of pension to burg, W. Va.; to the Committee on Claims. Nancy Jones; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 6004) granting a pension to Eliza M. Also, a bill (H. R. 6041) granting an increase of pension to We1L'3; to the Committee on Pensions. Elizabeth Sizemore ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 6005) for the relief of l\lrs. Gill I. Wil Also, a bill ( H. R. 6042) granting an increase of pension to son; to the Committee on Military Affairs. Mrs. L. R. Standley; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 6006) granting a pension to Christopher By Mr. ROMJuE: A bill (H. R. 6043) granting a pension to C. Pratt; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Julian A. Wheeler; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill ( H. R. 6007) granting an increase of pension to By Mr. SANDLIN: A bill (H. R. 6044) authorizing the Sec Helen Calvert; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. retary of the Interior to sell and patent certain lands to Also, a bill (H. R. 6008) granting a pension to Emma Taylor; Lizzie M. Nickey, a resident of De Soto Parish, La.; to the to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Committee on the Public Lands. , Also, a bill (H. R. 6009) granting an increase of pension to Also, a bill ( H. R. 6045) authorizing the Secretary of the Sarah J. l\IcCulloh: to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Interior to sell and patent certain lands to Flora Horton, By Mr. LANGLEY: A bill (H. R. 6010) granting a pension a resident of De Soto Parish, La. ; to the Committee on the to Mary Caudill; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Public Lands. By 1\Ir. LEHLBACH: A bill (H. R. 6011) for the relief of By l\Ir. SCOTT: A bill (H. R. 6046) granting a pension to the High Clothing Co. (Inc.) ; to the Committee on Claims. Edwin A. Dunton; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By Mr. LINEBERGER: A bill (H. R. 6012·) to confer juris By Mr. RAINEY: A bill (H. R. 6047) granting an increase diction upon the Court of Claims to ascertain the cost to the of pension to Mary J. Lawson; to the Committee on Invalid Southern Pacific Co., a corporation, and the amounts expended. Pensions. by it from December 1, 1906, to November 30, 1907, in closing By Mr. SNELL: A bill (H. R. 6048) granting an increase of and controlling the break in the Colorado River, and to render pension to Cleopatra Soper; to the Committee on Invalid Pen judgment therefor as herein provided ; to the Committee on sions. · Claims. By l\Ir. STRONG of Kansas: A bill (H. R. 6049) for the re- By Mr. MILLER of Wa hington: A bill (H. R. 6013) grant lief of V. E. Schermerhorn, E. C. Caley, G. W. Campbell, and . ing an increase of pension to Rebecca C. Cotton ; to the Com Philip Hudspeth ; to the Committee on Claims. mittee on Pensions. By Mr. SWANK: A bill (H. R. 6050) granting a pension to By l\fr. MOORES of Indiana: A bill (H. R. 6014) granting a Joseph A. Branstetter; to the Committee on Pensions. pension to John Gearns; to the Committee on Pensions. By Mr. THOMPSON: A bill (H. R. 6051) granting an in By Mr. MORRIS: A bill (H. R. 6015) granting a pension to crea e of pension to Mary Myers; to the Committee on Invalid Sallie Dewitt ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Pensions. Also, a bill ( H. R. 6016) granting an increase of pension to Also, a bill (~. R. 6052) granting a pension to Mattie Baker; Sallie Hager; to the Committee on Pensions. to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By Mrs. NOLAN: A bill (H. R. 6017) for the relief of Mary By Mr. VINCENT of Michigan: ~"1. bill (H. R. 6053) granting Curtin; to the Committee on Military Affairs. an increase of pension to Floyd L. Green ; to the Committee on By Mr. O'CONNELL of Rhode Island: A bill (H. R. 6018) Pensions. granting an increase of pension to Sarah Adams; to the Com By Mr. WELSH: A bill (H. R. 6054) for the relief of Mary mittee on Invalid Pensions. Ellen Tiefenthaler; to the Committee on War Claims. Also, a bill ( H. R. 6019) granting an increase of pension to By Mr. WOLFF: A bill (H. n. 6055) for the relief of tbe Maria L. Westgate; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. heirs of Samuel Richeson, deceased ; to tlle Committee on Also, a bill ( H. R. 6020) granting an increase of pension to Claims. Clarice Fly ; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Also, a bill (H. R. 6056) granting an increase of pension to Also, a bill (H. R. 6021) granting an increase of pension to Harry L. Hoff; to the Committee on Pensions. _\ugie 0. Allen; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By Mr. WURZBACH: A bill (H. R. 6057) to authorize the By Mr. PEERY: A bill (H. R. 6022) to reimburse A. B. appointment of Trumpeter Sol Black, retired, to tbe grade of Buchanan, formerly postmaster at Tazewell, Va., for war sergeant, retired, in the United States Army; to the Committee snving stamps destroyed at Tazewell, Va., and repaid by him to on Military Affairs. the po t office at Coaldan, Va.; to the Committee on Claims. By l\lr. RAINEY: A bill (H. R. 6023) granting an increase of PETITIONS, ETC. pen ion to l\1argaret D. Wise; to the Committee on Invalid Under clause 1 of Rule XXII, petitions and papers were laid Pensions. on the Clerk's desk and referred as follows : Also, a bill ( H. n. G0~-1) granting a pension to Etta Van 684. By l\fr. ALDRI H: P etition of Ladies' Auxiliary of the Zaut; to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. North End Talmud Torahs, of Providence, R. I., opposing • 1924. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SEN.A.TE. 1303 " further restriction of immigration; to the Committee on Immi- Conference on Immigration October 24, 1923, and urging that grati-On and Naturalization. , the Senators and Representatives in Cong1•ess endeavor to have 685. By Mr. CR~ITON: Petition signeCI by the trustees of that method made a part of House bill 101; to the Committee -on tJ1e Evangelical Church, of Capac, Mich., urging passage of i'he .Immigration and Naturalization. bill to give relief to the needy of Germany; to the Committee 704. By Mr. TREADWAY: Petition of the Hampden County on Foreign Affairs. (Mass.) Polish Citizens' Club, through Thadeus .Marczak, presi- 686. By Mr. CR01VTHER: Petition of A. M. Brown, of dent, in favor of a modification of the so-called Johnson immi Gloversv:ille, N. Y.; Edw. A. Johnson, of 1002 Eastern Avenue, gration bill; to the Committee on Jmmigraticm and Natnraliza Schenertady, N. Y. ; and C. H. Crockett, 639 Te1Tace Place. ti.on. Scheuecmdy, N. Y., urging a tax Teduction along the line recom- 705. By Mr. YOUNG: Resolution of Community Club of "Bor mended by the Hon. Andrew W. Mellon, Secretary of the Treas- dnlac, N. Dak., Ul'ging passage of House bill 4159; to the Com ury of the United States; to the Committee on Ways and l\1eans. mittee on Agriculture. 687. Ily Mr. FULLER: Petitions of C. E. Bradt, E. P. Ell- wood, and sundry other citizens of DeKaib, ~Il., favoring the plan of Secretary :Mellon as indorsed by the President, for tax SENATE. reduction; to the Committee on Way.sand Means. 688. Also, petitions of tbe Busin~ss Men's Association. of Ot WED::!'IBSDAY, J anuar·y ~, 19Z4. tawa, ill, and sundry citizens of Ottawa and Streator, Ill., The Chaplain, Rev. J. J. Muir, D. D., offered the following favoring pending bills to increase the salaries of ·postal em prayer: ployees; to the Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads. 689. Also, petitions of A. E. Hoge, 2d, and sundry other Dear Lord~ there are times when our hearts cry ont after citizens -0f .Morris, Ill., fa-voring House bill 4123, ta reclassify Thee. We believe there is no real rest excepting in the confi and increa e the salari~s of post-office employees; to the Com dences between Thee and Thy children. W~ humbly 'J)r.ay that mittee on t11e Post Office an