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1 1 COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 2 VETERANS AFFAIRS AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS COMMITTEE 3 DELAWARE COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE 4 MARPLE CAMPUS 901 S. MEDIA LINE ROAD, MEDIA, PA 5 THURSDAY, MAY 30, 2019 6 10:07 A.M. 7 PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECTS OF PIPELINE SYSTEMS 8 BEFORE: REPRESENTATIVE, STEPHEN BARRAR 9 MAJORITY CHAIRMAN REPRESENTATIVE MATT GABLER 10 REPRESENTATIVE CHRISTOPHER B. QUINN REPRESENTATIVE FRANCIS X. RYAN 11 REPRESENTATIVE JENNIFER O'MARA REPRESENTATIVE JOE WEBSTER 12 MINORITY CHAIRMAN REPRESENTATIVE CAROLYN T. COMITTA 13 REPRESENTATIVE DAN K. WILLIAMS 14 15 ALSO PRESENT: REPRESENTATIVE DAVID M. DELLOSO 16 REPRESENTATIVE KRISTINE C. HOWARD REPRESENTATIVE DANIELLE FRIEL OTTEN 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 SARGENT'S COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. (814) 536-8908 2 1 COMMITTEE STAFF PRESENT: 2 RICK O'LEARY REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR 3 MICHAEL HILLMAN 4 DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR 5 SEAN E. HARRIS MAJORITY RESEARCH ANALYST 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 SARGENT'S COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. (814) 536-8908 3 1 I N D E X OPENING REMARKS 2 By Chairman Barrar 4 3 REMARKS By Dr. Black 4 - 5 4 INTRODUCTION OF REPRESENTATIVES AND STAFF 5 - 8 5 REMARKS 6 By Chairman Barrar 8 - 10 By Chairman Webster 10 - 12 7 REMARKS 8 By Representative Comitta 12 - 16 By Representative Quinn 16 - 18 9 PRESENTATION 10 By Tim Boyce 18 - 23 11 QUESTIONS 23 - 51 12 PRESENTATION By Bill Godsey 51 - 55 13 By Joseph McGinn 55 - 69 14 QUESTIONS 69 - 102 15 Presentation By David Padfield 103 - 109 16 By Gerald Bimle 109 - 119 17 QUESTIONS 119 - 133 18 PRESENTATION By George Alexander 134 - 139 19 By Nancy Harkins on behalf of Eric Friedman 139 - 146 20 By Bibianna Dussling 146 - 153 21 QUESTIONS 153 - 159 22 PRESENTATION By Chairman Gladys Brown Dutrieuille 23 and Robert Young 160 - 167 QUESTIONS 167 - 186 24 CONCLUDING REMARKS 25 By Chairman Barrar 186 - 187 SARGENT'S COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. (814) 536-8908 4 1 P R O C E E D I N G S ------------------------------------------------------- 2 CHAIRMAN BARRAR: I'm going to call this 3 public hearing to order at this time. I would ask 4 Representative Williams if he would lead us in the 5 Pledge of Allegiance. 6 --- 7 (WHEREUPON, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WAS RECITED.) 8 --- 9 CHAIRMAN BARRAR: Good morning, 10 everyone. My name is Steve Barrar. I am the Majority 11 Chairman of the House Veteran Affairs and Emergency 12 Preparedness Committee. 13 If you look at your agenda, I'm going to 14 go a little bit - before I make my remarks, I'm going 15 to go a little bit out of order. And we're going to 16 get a welcome today from the Delaware County Community 17 College President, Dr. Joy Gates Black. And Dr. Gates, 18 thanks for having us here. 19 DR. BLACK: Well, thank you so much, 20 Representative Barrar. Good morning, everyone. You 21 know, I have the privilege of serving as President of 22 this wonderful institution, so I want to welcome you 23 here. Some of you have never been to our campus 24 before. Those of you who have, welcome back. As you 25 can see, it's a wonderful place. We provide SARGENT'S COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. (814) 536-8908 5 1 affordable, high-quality education for teaching and 2 learning to our students here throughout Delaware 3 County as well as in Chester County. 4 We are excited to be the venue chosen 5 for this morning's hearing on Veterans Affairs - the 6 House Committee on Veterans Affairs and Emergency 7 Preparedness Committee for this important hearing on 8 pipeline safety. 9 You know, aside from our mission of 10 education and training, community colleges also have a 11 mission to provide opportunities for topics to be 12 discussed that are of importance to the greater 13 community, and so we're excited to have this discussion 14 here today on a topic that impacts us all. 15 Thank you for being here. I hope you 16 have a wonderful forum, an opportunity to learn more 17 about this exciting topic. And now I'll turn the 18 microphone back over to you, Representative Barrar. 19 CHAIRMAN BARRAR: Thank you. Good to be 20 here. What'd like to do now is ask the Representatives 21 and staff that are here to introduce themselves. And 22 I'll start down there at the far end. 23 REPRESENTATIVE GILLEN: State 24 Representative Mark Gillen. I represent southern Berks 25 and Lancaster Counties and the legislature. I want to SARGENT'S COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. (814) 536-8908 6 1 apologize that I'm going to have shared time here. I 2 have to go back to my own community. Many of you 3 follow the news. We've had two tornados that hit, and 4 that's the community that I represent and also live in. 5 So I'm a little bit out of uniform today, but I'm going 6 to be picking up a chain saw in a couple hours and 7 continue the work of the Emergency Preparedness and 8 Veterans Affairs Committee there. Thank you, Mr. 9 Chairman. 10 CHAIRMAN: I have a spare tie in my car 11 if you'd like to borrow it. I don't think you'd fit in 12 my jacket, though. 13 REPRESENTATIVE GILLEN: I'm not 14 interested in your polka-dotted ties. Thank you. 15 REPRESENTATIVE GABLER: Good morning. 16 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's an honor to be here. 17 State Representative Matt Gabler from the 75th District 18 Elk and Clearfield Counties, and looking forward to the 19 discussion today. Thank you. 20 REPRESENTATIVE O'MARA: Good morning, 21 everyone. I'm State Representative Jennifer O'Mara 22 from right here in Delaware County. I represent 23 Springfield, Marple, Morton and Briar, but not this 24 part of Marple Township. Thank you. 25 MR. HILLMAN: Good morning, everyone. SARGENT'S COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. (814) 536-8908 7 1 My name is Michael Hillman. I am the Democratic 2 Executive Director for the House Committee. 3 REPRESENTATIVE WEBSTER: And good 4 morning. Joe Webster. I represent the 150th District, 5 which is just west of Norristown in Montgomery County. 6 It's West Norriton, Collegeville, Skippack, Upper and 7 Lower Providence. And I'm really grateful to be here. 8 CHAIRMAN BARRAR: Great. Thanks. 9 Sitting in for Chairman Sainato, whose 10 mother passed away recently, and today's her funeral, 11 and hopefully, if he's watching, I hope that he knows 12 our prayers are with him and his family today. 13 MR. O'LEARY: Good morning. My name's 14 Rick O'Leary. I'm the Executive Director for Chairman 15 Barrar. 16 MR. HARRIS: Good morning. Sean Harris, 17 Majority Research Analyst. 18 REPRESENTATIVE QUINN: Good morning. My 19 name is Chris Quinn. I'm the State Representative for 20 this area that we're in, and I want to thank everyone 21 for coming out today. Truly appreciate it. 22 REPRESENTATIVE COMITTA: Good morning. 23 I am Carolyn Comitta. I represent the people of West 24 Chester in Chester County, District 156. Thank you, 25 Chairman Barrar for bringing us here together to talk SARGENT'S COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. (814) 536-8908 8 1 about this important topic of pipeline safety. 2 REPRESENTATIVE WILLIAMS: My name is Dan 3 Williams. I represent District 74, also in Chester 4 County. That includes a portion of Downingtown, 5 Coatesville, Thorndale, Sadsburyville and Parkesburg. 6 I'm happy to be here this morning. Thank you. 7 REPRESENTATIVE RYAN: I'm State 8 Representative Frank Ryan, 101st District in Lebanon 9 County. And I want to go on the record as saying you 10 have more traffic here than we have in our entire 11 county. But I'm glad to be here. 12 CHAIRMAN BARRAR: I pulled up this 13 morning, and I pulled up this long driveway to the 14 college this morning, and I see this guy in a Marine 15 cap walking - walking down the driveway. And I asked 16 him, I said, did you break down somewhere? He says, 17 no, I'm just out for an exercise, so - and he walks - 18 he doesn't walk. He marches like a Marine. So you 19 know, it was good to see you this morning out there 20 exercising, but let's get this started now. 21 As Chairman of the Committee for the 22 past nine years we have conducted a hearing on the 23 emergency preparedness and public safety planning and 24 response measures for our nuclear power plants after 25 the Fukushima disaster in Japan, as well conducted a SARGENT'S COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. (814) 536-8908 9 1 hearing for the rail car movement for crude oil in 2 response to a few train derailments that had happened 3 across our country and also conducted hearings on 4 public safety aspects of pipelines across the 5 Commonwealth. 6 Today's hearing is a follow-up to our 7 prior pipeline safety hearing, ensuring - ensuring that 8 we as a state are properly planning and training for 9 these emergency responses' paramount function of our 10 standing committee. Therefore, I am pleased that we 11 are here today to continue this examination in the 12 latter stages of development of this pipeline.