Elptll Serlel, Vol.XXIX, No. 55 Friday, July 31, 1987 Sravana 9, 1f09 (s.ta)
LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)
Eighth Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)
(Yol.XXIX contains Nos. 51 to 60)
LOIC SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DEJ,m Prb ' Ba. ,.oo (ORIGINAL ENGLISH PI.OCEBDINGS INCLUDED IN ENGLISH VBRSION AND ORIGINAL HINDI PltOCBBDINGS INCLUDED IN HINDI VBltSION WILL DB TB.BATID AS AUTBOlUTATIVE AND NOT THE TltANSLATIONTHEREOF.J CONTENTS
"[Eighth Series, VoI.,XXIX, Eighth Session - Second Part, 198711909 (SAKA)]
No. 55, Friday, July 31, 19871Sravana 9, 1909 (SAKA)
COLUMNS
Oral Answers to Questions: 1-36
Starred Questions Nos: 82 and 84 to 87
Written Answers to Questions: 36-238
Starred Questions Nos. 81, 83 and 88 to 100 36-47
Unstarred Questions Nos. 892 to 904, 906 to 929, 47-233 931 to 941,943 to 996, 998 to 1058 and 1060 to 1066
Papers Laid or. the Table 239-244
Business of the House 244-253
National Security (Amendment) Bill - 253-273
MotIOn to introduce -
S. Buta Singh 253
Shri Indrajit Gupta 254-259
Shri Hannan Mollah 259-260
Shri Basudeb Acharia 260-261
Shri Saifuddin Chowdhary 261-263
Shrimati Geeta Mukhe~ee 263-264
Shri Dinesh Goswami 264-267
Shri P. Chidainbaram 267-273
Statement Re. National Security (Amendment) 273-274 Ordinance.- 1987 - Laid • The Sign·t marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was aually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. Payment of Gratuity (Amendment) Bin -
Motion to consider. as passed by Rajya Sabha
Dr. G.S. Rajhans 274-2n
Shri Ajay Biswas 277-280
Shri Sriballav Panigrahi 281-284 Shri Indrajit Gupta 284-289
Dr. Phulrenu Guha 289-291
Shri Syed Shahabuddin 291-293
Shri K.N. Pradhan 293-296
Committe. on Privata Members' Bills and Resolutions - 296
Thirty-seventh Report - adopted
Bills Introduced-
Agricultural Workers (Minimum Wages and 296-297 Wa If are ) Bill
by Shrimati Basavarajeswari
Environment (Protedion) Amendment Bill 297 (Amendment of section 2. etc.)
by Shri Bhattam Srirama Murty
Public Employment (Field of Selection, Domicile 297-298 Requirement and Transferability) Bill
by Syed Shahabuadin
Destitute and Poor (Maintenance and 298 Rehabilitation )BiII
by Shri Apy Biswas
Con~. ution (Amendment) Bil 298-299 (Substitution of new article 263)
by Syed Shahabuddin (ii) CoLUMNS
Constitution (Amendment) Bill 299 (Amendment of Seventh Schedule)
by Dr. C.S. Verma
Constitution (Amendment) Bill 299-300 (Insertion of new article 333A)
by Ch. Lachchhi Ram
State of Goa, Daman and Diu Bill 300
by Shri Shantaram Naik - Withdrawn
Eradication of Unemployment Bill 300-327
by Shri G.M. Banatwalla -
Motion to consider
Shri Harish Rawat 301-303
Shri Yogaswar Prasad Yogash 303-305
Shri Shantaram Naik 305-307
Shri T. Basheer 308-310
Dr. Chandra Shekhar Tripathi 310-313
Shri P.A. Sangma 313-320
Shri G.M. Banatwalla 320-327
Prohibition of use of Religious, Communal, Regional 327-342 and Sectoral Nomenclatures for Political Parties and Prevention of misuse of Religious Places bill -
by Shrimati Basavarajeswari
Motion to consider-
Shr·Imatl . BasavaraJeswarl 1 . . 327-335
Shri Virdhi Chandar Jain 335 337
Shri Balasaheb Vikhe Patil 337-340
Shri S.B. Sidnal 340-341 LOK SABHA DEBATES
(b) if so, whether my survey in this regard The terms of reference of the Magisterial has bean undertaken or is proposed to be inquiry ordered by the Lt. Governor into the undertaken; fire incident are as under: (c) what action is prescribed against the i) To ascertain the causes leading to owners of such buildings as are found guilty the fire incident, for non-compliance of fire safety rules; ii) Adequacy of fir. fighting fitments (d) the number or casualties and other and other measures in the building, victims and estimated loss of property in the fire incident in] Ansal Bhavan, New Delhi iii) Adequacy of fire fighting and other which occurred on 29 June, 1987; arrangements made by Delhi Fire Service for combating the fir•• (e) the terms of reference of the anquiry ordered by the Lt. Governor into the fira iv) Part played by the Delhi Police and incident in Ansal Shavan; and other related agencies for meeting this emergency, (1) what long term measures are contem- platad by Govarnment to prevent such fire v) To fix responsibility, if any, in~ents in future ? 3 Oral ...... JULV31.1987 plat. aU the fire l8Curity meaauraa••• ,t- vi) To suggest remedial m•• ur. with where w. find them lacking in this thlng-.. • view to preventing recurrence of ..serving them notice and bySOlh Septem- such incidents, and ber their notice period will be over - then va) Any other matter relevant to the stringent action will be taken against an incident. those who are defaulting and violating the rul .. and regulations. SHRI V. SREENIVASA PRASAD: Mr. Deputy Speakar, Sir, fire accidents in Delhi [ Translation] are common feature. because of totalleni- ancy of all Gov.mment agencies towards SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGARWAL:. Mr. builders and occupants. It is not enough that Deputy Speaker, Sir, a high rise building legal notices have been issued. I want to cannot be constructed in some days or some know what preventive action Govammant months but it takes about 5 years to con- has takan against defaulters under the law ? struct it. Today it is being statad that action will be taken against such buildings. More- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TH~ over, the Govemment officers are alao re- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI sponsible for it bacauy these buildings CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): Sir, already it were constructed with their permission .. It has been stated in the Statement laid, that appears that the Fire Brigade people and 194 buDdings have been identified as build- those of the building department had bean Ings lacking in adequate fire safety meas- sleeping while those buildings were being ures. The.e buildings were constructed prior constructed because they did not raise any to 1983 .. We have passed an Ad in Parlia- objection at that time. I want to know from the ment. It was enforced on 30th March, 1987 hone Minister whether any action will be and it has since coma into force. all these taken against officers who allowed the build- strict measures have been included in the ers to construct such buildings? Such build ... Ad itself.. And. we are also giving them ings are hazardous for both life and property. notices that if by 30th September, they do not comply with the rules .and regUlations, [English) legal and stringent action will be taken against them. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: hope, our hone friend Shri Agarwal knows SHRI V. SREENIVASA PRASAD: As per that we have taken the strongest action the Minister's statement owners/occupiers against the DDA officers who sanctioned the have been directed to comply with the regu- building plans of buildings such as the lations in reg.d to fire safety measures Siddhartha Hotel. We had suspended five before September. 1987. Sir, subsequent to officers. If any officer is found violating build· September, 1987 if Govemment direction is ing bye-laws, we are taking strong action violated, will the defaulters be charged un- against the concerned. d.. cognizable offence? ( Interruptions) SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: Sir, as I have just put before the Hous., We have SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: When the given them notices, the rules were framed building on the Kasturba Gandhi Marg and the Ad. was enforced in March, 1987. caught fire recently, W8 saw on the te'evislon W. have given them the notice and that that the fire brigade parsonnel did a tremen- notice p8riod will extend up to 30th Septem- dous job of rescuing peopJa even at the risk bar, 1987 and in between we ara inspecting of their own lives. Have the Ministry awarded every high-rise building. Some of our staff is those people with substantial amounts? goingth.e and we are trying toteU them that before 30th s,,:tamber, they have to com- SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: V... SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) w. have 8110 awarded the labourer. and served that recently we have. put up aIgn contrackH'I who he~ in the rescue boards near these high-rise buildings with operations. regard to the deficiencies. W. are inspecting the.. bu:ldingl and w. are taking sufficient THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE pr..utionary measure. to ...that aIIthese MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN· deflciences are ramoved within thr.e ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF months. TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER): The International Airport Authority people also SHRI BHA~WAT JHA AZAD: I appreci- helped. ate and welcome the fact that the Gov.m- ment ..e getting wis. afterthe event and that SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: Yes, the officers are visiting every building. But, they also helped. may I know;Si'. howtheS8 moneyed people who construct tftase mansions and hUJband SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN huge amounts of money every month could SINGH: it is a wellknown fact that the water violate the provisions laid down by the Gov- hoses were not long enough to reach the emment for years? How could they escape uppermost storeys of these high-rise build- scotfree and how is it that they .e not ings. From the point of view of environment punished? Except the case of; those hi also, it is wrong to have the .. buildings side officers who were suspended, could you by aide. Ther. should be demarcation for give an example where thase hugemansion certain ground ares, certain parking ares waRas got some punishment? and also certain area under green cover. Now, these aspects are not taken care of at SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: I all in the city of Delhi and that is why, when share the anxiety expressed bv Shri Azad. the fire tenders reached the area, they could He must be aware fully wen that because not get near the building to put up their there are certain deficiencies on the building ladders and even to throw water. So, in bye-laws, the Parliament in its wisdom has future before these buildings are allowed to passed this Fire Safety Measures Ad.. The be constructed, will the Govemment see to it rules which are framed now are very strin- that certain area is dem.,-cated for parking, gent. As mentioned by the hone member, certain area is demarcated for green cover when we visit these buildings, we are trying and there should be demarcation for certain to register casas against the defaulting ground area. Also, there is always a lot of owners and authorised contractors of these litter and wiring on the fire escapes and no high-rise buildings. Some of tham are not ane can come down from these fire escapes here and they are trying to escape also. 1can if they ara inside tha building. It Is a assure that we ara taking the strongest weUknown fact that fire escapes should be measures possible and within three months, located outside the building. Will efforts be that is by 30th September, we see to it that made to see that this important aspect is these deficiencas are ramoved and such taken care of in all the high-rise buildings in accidents do not recur. Delhi? PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: ORIy the SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: In implementation part is left out. That is alii ,fact, wa have taken into consideration all the deficiencies that the hone member has just SHRIMA TI GEETA MUKHERJEE: Sir, in now pointed out. In all, 12 items are identified this Ansal Bhavan, we have our National and If h. wants, I can read them out. Our Federation of Indian Women', office. 0,. of officara are visiting the high-rise buildings our friends got caught there. So, I would Ike and inspecting whether all thesa items are to know two things from you. FIrStly, is II. being complied with or not. If not, notice are fact that the Helicopter that was .... far being served on them. You must have ob- rescuing had such draught that it increased 7 0taI AM...,. JULY 31. 1987 the fire? This was reported In tha press. May GANDHI): Sir. soma civlBans who wer. , know from you whether It was true or not? working at the site displayed extraordinary I so, what happened after the fir.? This bravery. W. have taken not80f it and W8 will building is closed now. We ara all thrown out do the needful. here and there. What happened to the compensation for thosa people who were PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Thank you. affected by this fire? Communal Violence SHRI CHINTAMANI PAN IGRAH I: The total loss of aU these things is being worked *84. SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA: out now. The figure of loss and acoount of SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZ ALI everything is not available now because the KHAN: entire thing is being processed and worked out. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: So far as the persons who were injured (a) the number of cases of communal are mncemed. they have already been violence that have occurred in the country compensated. Some relief has been given in during the last three months; State-wise; the case of three Persons who died and also to 52 persons w~o had been injured in this (b) the number of casualties and esti- Ansal Bhavan fire. mated loss of property in these incidents; and ( Interruptions) (c) the steps taken or being taken to SHRIUATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: What prevent such incidents in future? . about the use of the Helicopter? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGJt'HI: The MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC Helicopter came for the rescue operations. GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ( Interruptions> HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA .. RAM): (a> to (c). A Statement is given below: PROF. P.J. KURIEN: There were per- sons rescuing people from the Ansal Bha- van. Are you giving them some award or (a> and (b). As per available information. not? That should be noted. the particulars of major communal riots in the co.untry which occurred from 1st April, 1987 THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV to 30th June. 1987 are as under: STATEMENT
Date and Place No. of persons Loss of PlOpflrty kHled injured (Rupees in lakhs) 1 2 3 4
Gujarat
Virpur (April 9-12) 4 12 102.00
Brauch (May 17-18) 5 22 N.A.
Bamda (June 26 to July 2) 7 10 N.A. 9 Oral Answet8 SRAVANA 9. 1909 (SAKA) 0nJI AnIw.. 10
1 2 3 4
Uttar Pradesh
Meerut (April 14-18) 10 23 4.35
Meerut (May 18-24) 105 143* 232.80
*(including 8 police personnel) Delhi
(May 19.. 22) 11 75 N.A.
Maharashtra
Kasoda Jalgaon (June 8) 5 17 3.00
Total 147 302 341.95
(c) Even though the primary responsbil- visited Maeruton 30th May and gave instruc- tty of maintenance of peace rests with the tions for speedy relief and rehabilitation State Governments, the Central Govern- measures. ment have never been found wanting in the matter of providing asistanee to the State The State Government c;f Uttar Pradesh Governments in the shape of para-military has already ordered a judicial inquiry into the forces and equipment in restoring peace and Malliana incident. Another 3-Member communal harmony. The Central Govem- Committee under the Chairmanship of Shri ment have also been cautioning and alerting Gyan Prakash, former Comptroller and the State Government to keep a very close Auditor General of India, is conducting an watch on the communal, fundamentalist and administrative inquiry. The raport of the anti-special elements. Committee is expected by the end of July 87. State Govemment has al80 set up a Committee to go into the recruitment, train- When riots broke out in Meerut, Shir P. ing and .motivatlOn of the Armed Police Chidambaram alongwith Smt. Mohsina Kid- Constabulary, Special relief operations wai rushed to the spot to take stock of the were launched in Meerut so far more situation. This was followed by Home ana than Rs. 1 erore has been disbursed in Minister's visit to Meerut. Who had detailed monetary relief to the affected persons. discussions with the Chief Minister and other senior officials in Meerut. Home Minister Apart from induction of Central para- remained in constant touch with the Chief military forces and deployment of Army in Minister of Uttar Pradesh as also of some Meerut and Delhi to control the situation, a other States. Home Minister had also invited series of measures had been initiated to the leaders of opposition and sought the bring norrnalGy to the riot affected areas as benefit of their advICe. All present in the also to provide relief to riot affected victims meeting agreed to issue an unanimous and restore amity between the two commu- appeal for maintaining communal harmony nities. during the Id celebrations. It is a matter of satisfaction that Id was celebrated without A Special Commissioner (Relief) as- any untoward incident. The Prime Minilter sisted by a Deputy Commissioner (Relit) 11 Oral An.welS JULY 31, 1987 Oral Answers 12 was posted.at Meerut in order to expedite the Jit.ndra Narayan Commission's Report on reUefoperations. The Deputy Commissioner Jamshedpur riots, Madan Commission's (Relief) continues to be in position. A relief report on Bhiwandi riots and other places In contlal room has baan opened in the office of Maharashtra and Jagmohan Reddy the lila Parishad OffICe, Me.rut, where Commission's raport regarding riots in applications for relief and rehabilitation atc. Ahmadabad and othar places in Gujarat. All ara received in separate counters. In addi- these Commissions have said that there is tion, 12 teams have been constituted to some pattern waking behind these riots. disburse relief as well as to coned applica- tions for rehabilitation on the spot itself. Will the hone Minister throw light on this Similarly, speedy relief measures have also aspect whether he has s•• n any particular been taken in Delhi and Gujarat. pattern behind these communal incidents in these riots and whether any communal or- Communal situation in Gujarat has also ganisation is seen behind these riots? been constantly under review in consultation with the State Government. Baroda and THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS some othr parts of Gujarat witnessed com- (S.BUTA SINGH): Sir. it is a well known munal violence. The Minister of State in the phenomenon that whenever the riots occur Ministry of Home Affairs Shri P. Chidamba- in any part of the country, there are certain ram visited Gujarat and had discussions with elements who abet and who are at the back the State authorities as a result of which a of these incidents. Mostly they operate from· detailed plan of action had been drawn up the community based centres-quite often and put into action for Ahmedabad, Nadiad from the religious centres. But it is really and Baroda. Due to the efforts of Central and difficult to name the organisations as such. the Stata Government and the cooperation of the people. the Rath Vatra festival on 28th In the last Session also, the Speaker was Jun •• 1987 passed off peacefully in Ahme- very concerned about these religion based dabad. As a matter of fact, the occasion communal elements who have played a hell wltnesed a scene of communal harmony with the livas of our people in various parts of particularly in communally sensitive areas. the oountry under the names of various communities and political organisations. We The Walled City of Delhi also witnessed are keen and we are working on soma communal violence in the month of May agreed approach-both by the Opposition partly 81 a fall out of Meerut riots. The and this side of the House-that in this vary situation, however. was immediately Session, we will try to evolve some kind of brought under control though tension still approach to be chalked out in consultation persists in lOme areas of the walled city. with the Oppositon which would go a long Meerut also continues to·be tense though way in. separating the religion based oom- under Control. The State G&vernment has munal organisations to Ihave anything to do been asked to exercise utmost vigilance with our political set up in the country. particularly in view of some recent incidents. SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA: Sir. with SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA: Sir, the great respect, I must point out that certain statement placed before the House depicts Commissions have named certain commu- a very sorry picture in the sense that in the nal organisations like RSS to be the hand th.... montha, 147 lives were lost, 300 behind the riots. In the light of that and in the people wer. injured and property worth light of the National Integration Council's 3.41,000 were damaged or destroyed. recommendations. Prime Minister In\Jira Gandhi's 15 point programme, as revised by Now, Sir, in the light of that. I may put ana Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi. the Central supplementary question. The hone Minister Govemment has given a very good account must have been .ean the various reports- of itself. In fact. the hone Minister of Stat. for 13 Oral Answell SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Oral AnSWSIS 14 Home Affairs was in Ahmedabid on the day MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No; you have previous to the Rath Yatra, and personally already asked the sUpplementary. No; I monitored the arrangements, for which w. cannot .llow. Please take your seat. (Inter· are very gratefuf-without which things could ruption.) not have so peacefully passed. But may I ask whether the Central Government has set up [ Translation] any machinery to monitorthe adion taken by the State Governments to implement Prime SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZALI KHAN: Mr. Minister Indira Gandhi's 15 points, as re- Deputy Speaker, Sir, the most important vised by Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, and issue facing the country today is that of the recommendations of the National Inte- communal violence. Incidents of communal gration Council-in particular, to prevent violence have become a daily feature. Has communal propaganda, and the 27-point the hone Minister of Home Affairs come to communal propaganda themes stated by any conclusion in this regard? Has he got the Madan Commission? The Madan carried out any investigation to find out the Commission has pointed out that there are circumstances underwhjch and the raasGns 27 forms of communal propaganda being for which such riots taka place and to inden- carried on in various parts by certain com- tify the elements behind such riots? In regard munal organizations. That should be pre- to the Meerut riots, you stated that some vented. So, what monitoring machinery has people from Pakistan were residing in the Central Government set up, in order to Meerut evan aftar their visae and passports find out whether the State Governments had lapsed. Has the Government machinery take efficient and effective steps to prevent failed to detect those people who are stili recurrence of riots? \ living hara even though their visas and pass- ports have expired ? I want to know if you S. aUlA SINGH: Sofar as monitoring of have any solution to this problem? Keeping these incidents in various parts of the coun- in view the fact that in Meerut the riots are try is concerned, we keep in constant touch occurring everyday and the harassed with the Chief Minister-I myself do it; and people are crlicising the Govamment for Its also, in the Home Ministry, we have senior incompetence as is evident from the press officers detailed for coordination and moni- reports, may I know whether any solution toring of all such incidents in various States. has been found to put an end to thela communal riots. Sofar as the question of identifying the elements and the or.ganizations in these S. aUTA SINGH: Mr. Deputy Speaker, riots is concerned, the hone Member has Sir, the han. Memoer has raised a vary mentioned the Madan Commission's report. important question. It is true that in some As I said, already a Sub-Group in the Na- incidents, spqcially in Meerut, soma such tionallntegration Council is \VOrking on how people were in·lOlved who did not belong to to identify and how to take action against our countrY ana whose visas had expired. such groups and elements inside the States, Similarly, as Haroobhai Mehta; has stated. it in various communities, which are at the is true that the,. are certain organisations back of these communal riots. At the tim. we which are behind these riots and are helping again come to this House, we will definitely in finanCing and organising them. TINs, from take note of this aspect- which the hone what you have said, broadly speaking, two Member has highlighted. things become clear . Firstly, religious funda- mentalism ~nd secoundly, religious ...~ , MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now Mr. Ism are two dangerous tendencies flat are Mahfooz Ali Khan. behind most of the disturbances which have occurred in Gujarat. un.r Pradesh and SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA: One min- Delhi. Thesetwotendencias ar.fraugN with ute, Sir. dangerous consequences for our national 15 Oral AnswelS JULY 31, 1987 Oral Answers 16 unity and are increasingly asserting them- prevent occurrence of communal riots in selves today. future?
How to solve this problem specially s. aUTA SINGH: Mr. Deputy Speaker. when it is baing fanned by revivalist and Sir, in the point raised by the hon. Member, fundamentalist elements? There is no other the greatest hu,ple is that the reports of the way out except to curb and destroy these Judicial Commissions come after a long elements. Efforts should be made to keep time. Eve., if we fix a time-frame then also it the common people from every community, takes much time. Often the reports are re- the ordinary and the innocent people, who ceived after three or four years. You may become victims of communal violence, have noticed that in Uttar Pradesh, a special aW8!f from it and to make them work for the magistrate and a special judicial officer are unity of the country. All the political parties put on duty to made on the spot enquiries will have to work jointly in this respect. No law immediately and expedite the proceedings and order agency can solve this problem so that resutls are available at the earliest. alone, cooperation of all our communities As I have stated earlier that in case certain and our social and political organisations is, elements are found to be behind communal therefore, the need of the hour. riots in any region, strong action is taken against them as the hone Member has also [Eng/ish) suggested. The biggest hurdle for the law and order enforcing agency is that enquiries They must come forward to denounce cannot be conducted immediately. Firstly. It this kind of tendency in all the communities takes time to normalise the situation and W8 or the political parties which are influenced have to make all our resources and forces by communal thinking. available to control the situation. Curfew remains imposed in these areas for a long [ Translation] time which makes it difficult for any inquiry to take place. However, in spite of such difficul .. SHRI RAM NAG INA MISHRA: Mr. Dep· ties. the inquiries made so far have definitely uty Speaker. Sir. I want to request the hone been useful. In regard to Meerut and Ahme- Minister through you that communalism has dabad, we have decided with the Chief become an incurable disease like cancer. Ministers that in such cases expeditious The han. Minister is making efforts to find its enquiries should be conducted by designat- cure but so far no treatment has been effec- ing special magistrates and special judicial tive. I know that the Government has con- officers so that deterrent punishment can be ducted inquiries into the communal riots awarded to achieve good results in future. which have occurred in the various parts of the country. Will the han. Minister name the [English] elements found guilty in the reports of the inquiry commissions and indicate the pun- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: It is a ishm&nt awarded to them and the provisions suggestion for action. I have a suggestion to made to ensure that such riots do not occur make. Will you allow· a discussion on com- in future? I know the whole House is aware munal disturbances in Meerut and other and the hone Minister is also aware that there places? All the hone members would like to are some elements in the country which have it. openly raise the voi""e of revolt and incite mmmunal riots but no action is taken MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will dis- against them. I want to know whether any cuss about it in the Business Advisory arrangements will b. made by which the Committee meeting. strongest action can be taken against such elements regardless of the group to which s. SUTA SINGH: We are willing to have they belong? Will arrangements be made to a fullfledged discussion on It. We will bring 17 Oral AnSwelS SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18 out a factual note on this. We wfn initiate a ( IntlHTUptions) discussion on the communal riots as the han. member has suggested. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: As far as we are concerned, we are impressing upon the DR. SUDHtR ROY: How many officers State Governments that transfer is not a have been punished so far for their failure to punishment, that transfer is not an adequate curb communal riots? Against how many remedy. As and when the report is available, joumals and newspapers action has been the State Government mu::;t take action taken by the goverr.mentfor inciting commu- against the officers and I hope they will take nal violence? action against the officers and we wOl im- press upon the State Governments to take SHAI P. CHIDAMBARAM: As regards action against those officers. We ourselves officers', failure to take adequate adion to cannot take action. anticipate and curb communal riots is con- cerned, it is grave negligence and as we SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHAAY: What stated earlier in the Lok Sabha and in the are you doing? Rajya Sabha, we have advised the State Governments to take action against those SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: What officers. Those officers are working under is he saying? State Government in State cadres. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: We cannot. Recently, for example, in Meerut the You all know the law. We cannot directly take State Government has taken action against action. We can only ask the State Govern- the officers. All the officers were transferred, ments to take action. We will discharge our including the District Magistrate. Their role is responsibility in impressing upon the State being inquired into by a three member Governments to take action against officers, committee under Mr. Gyan Prakash and that and we will follow it up. report is expected by the end of this month. and when the report comes, the State Gov- SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: If the Minis- ernment will take action against the officers ter is there, why do you not take action? who were responsible, if they are found responsible for any incidents in Meerut. ( Interruptions)
As far as Gujarat is concerned, the State tv1R. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I cannot al- Government has taken action to transfer low. Do not say so. officers who were responsible for any failure and they are inquiring into their conduct. SHAI P. CHIDAMBARAM: As far as the journals are concerned, again this is a matter SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Transfer is on which the State Governments have to not punishment. take action and the last I have heard in this matter is that the State Governments are looking into certain writings which have ap- SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I agree that peared in Meerut. transfer is not a punishment. AN HON. MEMBER: Why do you not SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: They are take action? creating problems for others Take proper action. ( Interruptions)
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Banat- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: W. are going walla, let him finish, then if you want, .... to take up this next week. We are going to 19 OraIAnSweIB JULY 31, 1987 Oral AnswetS 20 have a discussion. leparately and w••• going to have a dis- cussion on all the things. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: We are taking action .. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Next ques- tion. Mr. Raghuma Reddy. He is absent. Shri SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: Wa Dharam Pal Singh Malik. All of you taka your have asked about punishment. seats.
(Interruptions) s. aUlA SINGH: I am willing to take action against lAS and IPS officers, cer- S. BUlASINGH: Saifuddin Sahib, as my tainly, if you allow. colleague has stated, the State officers ara under the State Government. We have no ( Interruptions) objection if you allow us to take action di- rectly from Delhi. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order, order, please. Take your seats. ( Interruptions) (Interruptions )- SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: We cannot, definitely. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing is going on record. I would not allow like this. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: What about Next question. the Chief Minister of U.P. who was there in Meerut while the riots were taking place? AN HON. MEMBERS: You have got the power. ( Interruptions) ( Int9fruptions)
AN HON. MEMBER: You can talk to the Supply of Awacs to Pakl.tan by US Prime Mi"ister. Government
( Interruptions) -85. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIKT: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please take SHRI M. RAGH~MA REDDY: your seats. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: Has be pleased to state: the State Government takan action against tha IPS and lAS officers? (a) whether Government are awaro that the US Government has since agreed to ( Interruptions) supply AWACS to Pakistan;
MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I request the (b) the reaction of Government of India Members to taka their seats. Please take thereto; and your seat. (Intenvptions) (c) the likely impaa of this step on the SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: The Chief sub-continent? Ministers have to be sacked. ( Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OFE)(fERNALAFFAIRS (SHRI MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Mr. Ban at- K. NATWAR SINGH): (8) Afthough the US walla, we •• going to discuss this matter Administration is known to support the trans- -Not recorded 21 0r8J AnsINtB SRAVANA 9, 1901 (SAKA) far of an Airbom. Early Wamfng (AEW) Washington in the month of April. I had system to Pakiatan, Govemment are not spoken to the United States leaders •.••• aware of any final decision on the type of system to be suppHed and the manner of its MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Whether we transfer. are in a position to check transfer of such a system. He wants to know that. (b) The acquisition of an AEW system by Pakistan would have serious security impli- SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH: This is what cations for India. The deep concern of the I am trying to answer. We have made known Government and Parliament has been suita- our views to the US Government. to the US bly conveyed to the US Administration and Congress. W. have mad. our views known members of the Congress. to the Pakistan Govemment and the Paki- stan leadership at the highest level that if this (c) The transfer of an AEW system to particular system was made available by the Pakistan would lead to an escalation of the United States, it will have serious repurcus- arms race in the sub-continent and divert sions in this part of the World and also in resources from development to defence. Pakistan. This would not be condUCive to the improve- ment of the political climate in the Indian THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV subcontinent. GANDHI): Let me just add that no time will be allowed for the situation to come about SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: In where our security will be compromised in the light of the reply given by the Hon. any way. Minister that the Government are not aware of any final decision on the type of system to SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: be supplied and the manner of its transfer, I May I know from the Hon. Minister Whether would like to know from the Hon. Minister we are taking all precautions to ensure full what do the Government propose to find out peace in the sub continent which is in great a final decision on the type of system and danger because of the transfer of the system manner of its transfer? Further, Sir, are we of AEW? Hso, please give details and further in a position to check acqUisition of an Air- Sir I want to know the details of the AEW borne Early Warning system by Pakistan? system for Information.
SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH: Sir, as I SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH: The Prime mentioned in my an~wer, we do not have any Minister has just assured the House that imformation about the final decision be- under no circumstances the security of the cause as far as ~ am aware, the final d&eision country will be comprom isad. With regard to has not been taken by the US Government the details of the system, I respectfully sug- about the manner, the timing and the type of gest the Hon. Member to address the ques- system that Is to be given. I did not gat the tion to the Minister of Defence. second part of the Hon. Member's question. Could he repeat it. SHRI G.G. SWELL: The Minister of Stat. has just now stated that the US Government SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALII<: Are has not finally made up its mind to supply W8 in a position to check acquisiti6n of an the58 AWAC aircrafts to Pakistan whether Airborne Early Waming system by Paki- on hire or sale. Would he be in a position to stan? Are we in a position to check the confirm or deny that it would be in the interest transf. of the system? of the United States of America to supply these AWAC system to Pakistan just as it SHRI K. NAlWAR SINGH: We have has done to Saudi Arbia? Do W8 have any conveyed our views to the US Govemment system in the world anywhere to which we at the highest level. I personally was in may resortto match this system? Or hav... 23 Oral Answers JULY 31, 1987 OraJAn.... 24 any other means of counteracting this 8YS'" tem in case the aircraft are in Pakistan? (b) Government's position on the various issues raised during the talks; and SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH: With regard to the policies of the United States Govern- (c) whether the talks hay", abo been held ment I am not in a position to say as to what with the Government of West Bengal in this precisely they are going to do, whether they regard? are going to repeat the performance of Saudi Arabia. What I wH1 assure the House is that THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. wa are fulfy vigilant about this matter. We SUTA ~INGH): <.) and (b). The Central have conveyed to them that whether it is a Govemment have initiated discussion with matter of outright sale, gift or lease it does the GNLF leadership for finding a peaceful not raally matter. It is a distinction without a solution to the agitation. Talks are continu- difference. The consequences on the secu- ing. Government have already made their rity of India and the sub-continent are the position very clear that the State of West same, they ana grave. We have made these Bengal will not be diVided. Efforts are under- views known. With regard to the question as way to find a solution to their demands. to what we carl: do in reply,. this is for the Minister of Defebce to answer. (c) Yes, Sir.
PROF. P.J. KURIEN: In case it is pur- PROF. K.V. THOMAS: It was in 1980that sued and acquired by Pakistan from the Mr. Gheising started this agitation. At that United States, what steps we are taking to time there was not much support. It was counteract that? clearly shown in 1982 when he asked to boycott the elections and people did not give SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH: The Prime any support to him. But later it got momen- Minister has given an answer. tum. One of the reasons apart from political is that Darjeeling is econom ically backward. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: I want to know There is a feeling among Gorkhas that they more details. are second .. rate citizens. They do not have equal opportunities in jobs. There is not SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN: Is the Govern- much opportunity for educating them. My ment aware of the capability of Pakistan to question to the Government is: what steps steal AWACS like it stole steel for the manu .. have been taken to develop Darjeeling area facture of atom bomb? Are you aware of their and to remove this feafing among the Gork- stealing capability? has?
SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH: Having S. SUTA SINGH: I would like to request served as the Ambassador to Pakistan I am the hone Member not to press for an immedi- fully aware of their capabilities. ate reply because these are the things we are discussing with the hone Chief Minister of Talks With GNLF Leader. West Bengal. Any solution to the problems of the areas of Darjealing will have to be initi- ated by the West Bengal Government. We *86 PROF. K.V. THOMAst: are working in full cooperation with them and SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: it will be premature for me to spell out the things that are being discussed. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: PROF. K.V. THOMAS: The Communist Party of India had asked for a separate State (8) the outcome of his recent talks with for Gorkhas as far back as 1947. But when GNLF leader in Delhi; GNLF started its agitation, thay said that it 25 Oral Answers SRAVANA fI, 1909 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26 was anti-people and anti-national. Has the ( Interruptions) State Government changed its attitude and whether it is helping to settle this issue? SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: The Gov- ernment of India has received a memoran- S. aUTA SINGH: Sir, I will still say th!JJet dum from GNLF. May I know from the Minis- us not rake up the things which are pre-1947. ter what is the reaction of the Government to There are many things which are facts of this memorandum? He has also received history. But at the moment I am telling the the reaction of the State Government re- august House that we are in consultation garding the memorandum submitted by with the Government of West Bengal. The Gheising and it has also coma out in the han. Chief Minister came here on 21 st. We newspaper that autonomy for Darjeeling dist;ussed some det,ils. More details are to district, for the hiIJ areas, is being be discussed. I would not like to comment on considered .... ( Interruptions). May I know the facts mentioned by the tlon. Member. I what is there in the memorandum. what is leave it and say that let us first go the re:\ction of the Government of India and th roug h...... (Interruptions) what is the reaction of the Government of West Bengal? (Interruptions). , SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: They are ,lot fapts. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Yes, he wants to know as a Member. S. BUTA SINGH: These are things mentioned by the hone Member. Let us not SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir. there really rake up these things because they will was a discussion betwe&n the Prime Minis- not be conducive to what we are trying to ter and the Chief Minister of West Bengal work out. before the Prime Minister met the 42-mem- ber delegation, and the discussion contin- SHRt BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, this is ued for about one hour. So. I want to know not a fact. The hon. Member has said that the reaction of the Government. Darjeeling area has been neglected since 1980. This is what he has stated. The per S. BUTA SINGH: Sir, if the hon. Member capita :'lliocation of funds for Darjeeling is wants to know the reaction to what tran- much more than ... (lnterruptions) spired between the Prime Minister and the hone Chief Minister of West Bengal. I have MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Acharia, said that we are working in close cooperation you put the question. You are answering to with th9 West Bengal Government. So far as his question. the reaction to the memorandum submitted by the GNLF leader is concerned, it has PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, his been widely published. Everbody knows. iirst question was to the Commum;st party. The hon. Members here know. The Prime He must r~ply. Minister categorically stated to the delega- tion that the question of Gorkhaland cannot SHAI BASUDEB ACHARJA: The Com- be discussed, there cannot be any division of munist party of India never adopted a reso- West Bengal, violence will have to be es- lution demanding a separate State for Gork- chewed, and any solution to the problems of has. The undivided cPt never adopted such Darjeeling area oould be done through ne- a res'Olution. They never demanded. Rather gotiation and at the initiation of the West we also still demand regional autonomy of Bengal Government. that area for the proper development of the district of DarjeaHng. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: Sir, the Chief Minister of West Bengal has made SMAIMATI GEETA ML'KHERJEE: a categorical statement to the press that the We demanded and stiH demand .... probJem can be solved if the Nepali lan- 27 Oral AnSW9ts JULY at, 1987 Oral AnswBfS 28 guage is incorporated in the Eighth Sched- Win the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be ule of the Constitution and if an autonomous pleased to state: district, including Darjeeling, is created. So, I would like to know what is the reaction ofth& (a) the number of incidents of violence of Government at least to the language prob- terrorism occurred in Delhi during the last lem and what about the autonomous district two months; which is being suggested by the Chief Min- ister of West Bengat.. .• (/nts"uptions). (b) the number of casualties and victims of injury in different incidents: SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: Not autonomous district, regional tutonomy for (c) the progress of investigation made so the hill areas. :ar in these cases and arrests made if any;
S. BUTA SINGH: The ,",on. Member has (d) the steps taken by Government to mentioned one of the issues i.e. the Na- curb such terrorist activities; palese language. As I said, all these issues are before us and we are talking to the West (e) whether Government of India had Bengal Government. The Chief Minister is received any forewarning about these inci- fully in touch with us. dents in general or about any particular incident; and I would like to say something on the regional autonomy. To us this regional au- (f) if so, the details thereof and what tonomy is nothing but first step towards action was taken on this warning? separatism. Therefore, the question of hav- ing regional autonomy also cannot be dis- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cussed. Whatever is there in the MINISTRY OF PRESONNEL. PUBLIC Constitution of India, within the frame work of GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- the Constitution of India, we are willing to ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF sort out the problems of Darjeeling area. HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA- RAM): (a) to (f). A statement is given below. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: There was a talk between the GNLF leaders and STATEMENT the Prime Minister on 22nd July. But after returning back from there Mr. Subhash During the last two months there have Gheieing made a statement on 25th of July been two incidents of violence by terrorisrts. that whatever may be the talk, the Indian In one incident, terrorists fired indiscrimi- Government is very much in favour of a nately in Greater Kailash and other places in separate State of hill areas. Is it a fact or not? South Delhi on 13th June, 1987. 14 persons What is the reaction of the Central Govern- were killed and 18 others sustained injuries. ment? The culprits involved have sinca been iden- tified and one of them has already been S. BUTA SINGH: I would like the hon. arrested by the Punjab Police. In the other Member to believe whatever is being said incident which took place in the early hours here and not in the press. of 30th July I 1987 in Kalkaji area in South Delhi two groups of terrorists shot at two Incident of Terrorism In persons who later succumbed to their inju- Deihl ries. One of the culprits has been identified.
*87. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD The coded message from ". Indian SINGtit: High Commission in Canada was received SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: by the Ministry of External Affairs in Delhi on 29 Oral AnswBIS SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) Olal Answers 30
12th Juns" 1987. The message did not con- LTranslation] tain any specific information, but only con- veyed general information to the effect that SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: Sir, it some rumours had been heard in a Gu- has been stated that the number of vehicles rudwara in Canada and that Sikh Extremists and wireless sets has been increased. Can would try to create disturbances in Haryana the incidents of terrorism occurring everyday and Delhi priorto and during the eledions by be curbed by merely increasing the number blasting a number of bombs. of vehicles and wireless sets? Only yester- day, a similar mishap took place in Kalkaji. I In any case, it had been anticipated that want to know from the hone Home Minister the extremists might create disturbances in whether strong steps are being taken to curb Delhi and at alert already existed since the terrorism? beginning of June, 1987. [English] In order to contain terrorism, the number of police control room vehicles has been SHRI P. CHIDAMBARArll1: Mere in- increased to 165 round-tha-clock. 100 pick- crease in wireless sets will not curb terror- ets armed with automatic weapons and wire- ism. The idea behind increasing the number less sets have been posted at stategic points of wireless sets is to ensure that the police Close vigil is being maintained. force is in communication with each other, and moves very quickly to the scene of the [ Translation] orrurrence. We have increased the number of mobile patrolling vans. We have in- SHAt KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: Mr. creased the number of static pickets. The Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to know from the idea is that once there is information about hon. Minister of Home Affairs whether it is a an orrurrence or a crime, the police wilt be fact that the Indian High Commission in able to move in very quickly. cordon off roads Canada had forewarned the Government of and try to apprehend the terrorists. For India, on 12th June 1987, about the occur- example, in the earlier incident which hap- rence of such inc;dents. and if so, the rea- pened in Greater Kailash, the police was sons for not taking any preventive measures able to converge on the scene and was able by the Delhi Administration? to reach the place where a car had been abandoned. [English] It is that which enabled the Police to SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: A coded identify one terrorist and arrest him also. The message from the Indian High Commission identity of the other terrorist is also now in Canada was received by the Ministry of known and we are making efforts to arrest External Affairs in Delhi on 12th June, 1987. him also. The idea of increasing the number The message did not contain any specific of wireless sets is only a part of the system information but only conveyed in very gen- to make the Police more mobile, more eral terms that some rumours had been communicative with each other and more heard in a Gurudwara in Canada that certain effective. extremists would try to create disturbances in Haryana and Delhi by blasting a number of By itseH, of course, it cannot mean any- bombs. In any case, since it had been antici- thing. pated that the extremists might create distur- bance in Delhi and in the neighbourhood SHRI C. MADHAV REDO': Sir, the report during the period of the Haryana elections, said that one of the culprits who participated an alert was in force in Delhi since the in the killings yesterday had been identified. beginning of June, 1987. May I know whether anybody has been 31 Oral AnswelS JULY 31, 1987 Oral AnsWSl'S 32 apprehended so far? Also, there was a news United States and they have been appre- item that some suit-case was found in a hended in the United States. Extradition railway compartment in which there was a proceedings are now pending in the United time bomb. Is there any connection between States and when they are extradited and that incident and the Kalkaji incident? when they are prosecuted in the court of law .... SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: My earlier answer referred to the incident which hap- SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: About two pened in Greater Kailash orne time ago, but and half years are already over. Ithinkthe hone Memberwallts to know about yesterday's incident. In yesterday's incident, SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: They were we have been able to establish the identity of apprehended about 2 months ago. I do not a person who may have committed the kr.ow the exact date. They were appre- crime. One other person has been appre- hendGd in the United States. Due to coop- hended on suspicion. We have to interro- eration between the Indian authorities and gate him and try to establish the links be- the United States authorities, we have been tween the person who has been identified able to apprehend them. Extradition pro- and the person apprehended. As of now, I do ceedings have started. I believe that the not have any information that the bombs case is posted for trial in the month of Au- which were defused at another place have gust. Our officers have gone to the United any connection with the terrorists attacks States and the US Government is cooperat- which took place yesterday. But it is too early ing with us. Extradition proceedings are not to establish any connection orto disown any very simple proceedings. It will take some mnnection. We will have to await interrog~ time. During the prose~ution, we will have to tion. establish whether the person is guilty of the crime. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Sir, terrorism and violence are increasing day by day. Sir, Sir, as far as mobile control vans are with regard to the terrorists activities which concerned, we have increased their num- took place in 1985 wherein one of the young- bers. rile numbers themselves add to effi- est, energetic and dynamic Member of this ciency because 1hey have 10 patrof and House, Shri Lalit Makarl and his wds were cover a smaller area. I think our Police force killed in day time, that too before their res;- like any other Police force can always do dence, , want to know whether the culprits better, can always do better with more train- involved have been traced so far. If it is not, ing and can always do better with more does it not reflect on tne efficiency of the equipment. But I think it is rather unfair to say Police and other people? Some time back, that they do nothing. The bomb blast case in the terrorists killed some innocent people in Delhi was investigated and solved and we Greater Kailash and now yesterday they have prosecutE:d people. In the Greater killed two persons in Kalkaji. So, Sir, the Kailash incident, within 14 days one of ttlem terrorists ~ctivities are increasing day by was arrested and the other has been identi- day. Of course, you have increased the fied and a search is going on. As regards mobiJe oontrol vans. But what is the effi- yesterday's kmings, one person has been ciency of the Police people? I want to know apprehended and the identity of the other whether their efficiency has been improved person has already been established within or not. I want a categorical answer from the 24 hours. While, I will not say, Sir, that hone Minister. everything is very good. I would most ear- nestly request that we should not· give the SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: As far as the impression that everything is bad and no- alleged assassins or suspected assassins of body is doing his job. I think like any other Shri Lalit Make" are concerned, the House is Police force we could give more training, aware that they have heen traced to the better equipment and we are constanily on 33 Oral Answers SAAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Oral An&WfJl'S 34 the job. the borders, in the border villages where village officers will be involved, people will be [ Trans/ation] involved. But let me say this, Sir, that as pressure mounts in Punjab the States SHRI MADAN PANDE\': Mr. Deputy around Punjab will face threats and the pe- Speaker. Sir. we are aware that Government lice administration in these States will have has not been successful in curbing terrorism to gear themselves up to a much higher level despite its best efforts. In view of the inci- of vigilance. It is unfortunate but true that dents of terrorism occuring outside Punjab. Delhi faces the severest pressure. The po- does the Government intend to adopt some lice force here is under severe pressure, precautionary measure so that terrorism is they are rising to the situation, but as I said contained and it does not affect the neigh- earlier with great humility. there are inade- bouring States? If such a measure is under quacies. We are conscious of the inadequa- your consideration and which you do not cies. Wepromis8,Sir, we will doourbest, we want to reveal in public interest, still you will are on the job and we will do our best. have to assure the people that strid vig- ilance is being kept on the movement of PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, I people who are entering or going out of the would like to ask a specific question regard- neighbouring states of Uttar Pradesh, Ra- i'1g the action of the terrorists on 13th July. jasthan. Haryana and Jammu & Kashmir. If He has no doubt made some clarification some persons are transporting arms and earlier, but I would like to have further clari- such other equipment in buses and other fication. As the news has already appeared vehicles, they must be apprehended and in a section of the newspapers in Delhi that checked. We want an assurance in this prior to 13th July episode, that is, atrocities regard. committed by the terrorists. violence committed by them, already one Sikh gentle- (English] man sensing that some conspiracy was going on in Ottawa to organise and'tOnspire SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, I am for violence in India and in Delhi, he went to grateful to the hon. Member for raising this the nearest telephone and rang up the question. I would most earnestly ask you, Embassy in Ottawa and gave them the infor- Sir, and the House to consider why are these mation that 'this is what is being planned'. He incidents now taking place outside Punjab. It did make reference to that. Now, , want to is because of the tremendous pressure know whether it is a fact that due to soma which the Punjab Administration and the communication gap actually the Ministry Punjab police have placed upon the terror- received that information after the murders ists. And after the President's Rule was were committed on 13th July and if it is so, imposed and the pressure was piled upon who is responsible for this communication the terrorists groups in Punjab, we antici- gap. Have you checked up from the Em- pated that this will have a spill over effect in bassy in Ottawa at which particular point of other States. About three weeks ago we time they were communicated the message called a meeting of Chl.f Secretaries, the and at which point of time you have got the Directors-General of Police and the Inspec- message? Will you try to S88 that those who toras-General (Intelligence) of the neigh- were responsible for this communication bouring States and we discussed very gap are dealt with? elaborately the kind of threats that their Statas will face and we worked out very SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, I want to detailed plans. some of which have ap- taka half-a-minute to explain the sources of peared in the newspapers. you might have information. . noticed, Sir. that some States have 181 up special terrorists cells; we have worked out PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: All right. asystam by which vigil will be maintained on we will start the Zero Hour later. 35 OraIAnSW8tS JULY 31, 1987 Written AnSW9l'S 36 SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: No, no. I will only on the 15th. We have now asked the explain. So, we get a lot of information. A lot' M.E.A. to look into what procedures are of messages come, a lot of i"formation there ..•... flows. It is raallyfor the Intelligence agencies to advise the Government about the quality MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Question of information and about the kind of steps Hour is over. that have to be taken. As I said earlier, a coded message from the Indian High Commission was received in the Ministry of External Affairs on 12th June. But that WRIITEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS message said this. I almost quoted from the [ Translation] cable. It said that some rumours had been heard in a Gurudwara in Canada that certain Incidence of Crime In Deihl extremists would try to create disturbances by blasting a numbarof bombs. This is a very general information which really does not *81. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: Will help the police to take any specific action the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased except to place them on an alert situation. In to state: fact, Delhi and Haryana had already been placed on alert in 1he beginning of June. (a)tl'1e number of incidents of loot, daco- ity. robbery and murder reported in Delhi PROF. MAOHU DANDAVATE:Thiswas ouring the last one year and consequent loss not what was communicated in the Embassy of life and property; letter. (b) the number of persons arrested in SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Mr. Dan- connection with these incidents; dawte, believe me when I say f this is exactly what was communicated to the Embassy, to (c) the steps taken by Government to our High Commission and it was exactly curb such incid9ns; and what was conveyed through the cable to the Ministry of External Affairs. I am not subtract- (d)the number of FIRs lodged during the ing or adding any word. last one year which were investigated and found baseless and the action taken against SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: Why did ~ not the persons concerned? reach the Home Ministry till the events were over? THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S.BUTA SINGH): (a) to (d). The requisite SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: This coded information about the number of incidents of message was received by the MEA on 12th L loot/robbery, dacoity and murder, the num .. of June. Delhi and Harvana had already ber of persons arrested, loss of life and been placed under alert. It is admitted that property, in connection with thesa incidents the Home Ministry had been given the cable in Delhi, during 1986 and upto 15th July, 198i is indicated below: STATEMENT Ysar No. of cases No. of persons Loss of Loss of property reported S"9st9d lifs {approximatsly} 1 2 3 4 5 DACOITY (As.)
1986 21 75 1 41 lakhs 37 Wrlrten AnSwelS SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answefs 38
1 2 3 4 ,5
1987 (upto1SnI87) 13 37 Nil 4 lakhs
MURDER
1986 278 467 304 15 lakhs
1987 (up t01Sn187) 159 167 176 3 lakhs
ROBBERYIlOOT
1986 348 453 Nil 20 takhs
1987 (up to 15fT/87) 191 226 Nil 25 lakhs
In order to check crime and the threat of be made available; and terrorism, steps like increasing the number of police personnel, number of vehicles, (c) whether care has been taken or would improvement in the communication system be taken to ensure that the nlother-tongue and gearing up of intelligence machinery as recorded by the speakers are not clubbed have been taken. Intensive checking of ho- or classified into bigger groups as per the tels and guest houses, frequent raids on whims of the authorities but presented as per hide-outs of criminals, externment proceed- factual reportings? ings against known criminals, are also un- dertaken. Several gangs of dacoits, narcot- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS ics smugglers have been busted and a (S.BUTA SINGH): (a) and (b). The 1981 number of notorious criminals arrested. Census language data regarding the lan- guage mainly spoken in the household are During the period from 1stJanuary, 1986 now under printing for publication and in the to 15th July. 1987. FIRs lodged in 20 cases meanwhile. are available for consultation in were found false. or lacking in evidence. and manuscript form. There has been no delay hence were cancelled. Adion under Section taking into account the huge volume of work 182 IPC is taken against persons for lodging involved. false complaints. (c) The principles that were adopted for [English] presentation of 1971 Census language data have been followed for 1981 Census also. Publication of Mother-Tongue-Wise CenSU8 Data Repatriation of Bangladesh Refugees *83. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- ASHAR: Will the Minister of HOME AF- *88. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: FAIRS be pleased to state: SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK:
(8) the reasons for the delay in the pub- Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS lication of the figures regarding the speakers be pleased to state: of various mother-tongues as par census operations 1981; (a) whether Government have reiterated that Bangladesh should take back all the (b) the likely date by which the figures will 50,000 tribal refugees sheltered In Tripura 39 Written AnswslS JULY 31, 1987 Written Answ.1S 40 since April, 1987; Minister of'TEXTILES be pleased to state:
(b) if so, the response of Bangladesh (a> whether Government have assessed Government thereto; and the benefits obtained by the hand loom sec- tor after enforcement of the law for reserva- (c) the details of the discussions held in tion of cartain items for the handloom sector; this connection during the last four months and by which time the remaining refugees (b) if so, the details thereof; and will be sent back to Bangladesh? (c) if not, whether Government propose THE MfNISTER OF STATE IN THE to undertake such assessment? MINISTRYOF EXTERNAl. AFFAIRS (SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH): (a) to (c). Yes Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Gover-nment has been in constant touch MINISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI RAM with the Government of Bangladesh for the NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) to (c). Since the reser- early return of their tribal refugees since the vation notification has come into operation influx began in April 1986. only from 4th November, 1986, it is too early to quantify the benefits accrued to the hand- The Bangladesh Government has loom sector as a result of these Orders. oom mitted itself to receiving its nationals baok. The refugees however are unwilling to A large number of powerloom organisa- le~ve India as they fear for their safety and tions and mills have filed writ petitions security upon their return LO their oountry. against the Reservation Orders in various For this reason 1t has not been possible to fix High Courts and the Central Government a time frame for the return of the refugees. has moved the Supreme Court to transfer Inter-Stata Council the cases to itself so that they could be dealt with at one :o>lace and expeditiously. It is only *89. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Will after these Court cases are disposed off and the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased the Reservation Orders fully implemented to state: that their impact on the handloom industry can be realistically assessed. (a) whether Government have received any poposal to set up Inter-State Council as [ Translation] envisaged in Article 263 of the Constitution in order to institutionalise the interaction Indo- Park Bordar Incldants between the Centre and State as well as between the States themselves on all signifi- *91. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRI- cant issues; and PATH I: . SHRI H.N. NANJE GOWDA: (b) if so, the details thereof and readion of Government thereon? Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. aUTA SINGH): (a) and (b). No specific pro- (a) the number of border violations and posal has been received by the Government incidents of firing between Indian and Paki- in this regard. The Sarkaria Commission is stani forces along the border during the last going into this matter. six months; aen.flts of Handloom Sector Re.er- vatlon {bj the main causes of such incidents and the number of Indian Soldiers and civilians *90. SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: Will the kiDeci as a result th9reof; 41 Written AnSW813 SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 42 (c) whether Government of India have erad the recommendation of the National lodged protests to Government of Pakistan Police Commission about holding separate in respect of thesa incidents; and examination for I. P.S. ; and
(d) H so, the reaction of Govemment of (b) if so, decision taken in this regard? Pakistan thereon? THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (S.BUTA SINGH): (a) and (b). There is no K.C. PANT): (a) and (b). There has been on. proposal under consideration at present for case of intrusion across the Line of Control in holding a separate examination for direct . Jammu & Kashmir and three cases of inad- recruitment to the I.P.S. vertent crossing of the bordar by the Pald- stani military personnel during the last six Cotton Export months. *93. DR. DAnA SAMANT: Will the There .have also been some cases of Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: exchange of fire between the Indian and Pakistani troops across the Line of Control (a) whether Govemment have stopped during the same period resulting in some cotton export from last week of June. 1987; casualties on both sides. These incidents were a result of uprovoked firing by Pakistani (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and troops. It would not be desirable to disclose details. (c) the quantity of cotton exported during the year 1986-87 and so far? · (c) No, Sir. . THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (d) Does not ariss. MINISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) to (c). Under the long [English] term export policy on cotton,S lakh bales of Saparate Examination for I.P.S. long and extra long staple cotton and 50,000 bales each of Bengal Deshi and Digvijay varieties would be exported per year on a *92. SHRI SALEEM I. SHERVANI: Will continuous basis for a period of three years. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased During the current cotton year commencing to state: from Sept. , 1986. the exports against the quota released in 1986·87 are as follows:- (a) whether Government have consid-
STATEMENT
Variety Releases Registration Shipment
(1 ) Long and extra
Long staple cotton 4,57,357 3,91,864 2,95,898
(2) Bengal Deshi 50,000 46,052 37,203 43 Written AnswelS JULY 31,1987 Written Answe,. 44 Further releases of cotton for export are pleased to state: (emporarily frozen and would depend upon domestic availability, consumption and (a) the number of parsons killed in prices. Punjab by terrorists since the imposition of President's Rule in the State; Woollen Carpet Industry (b) the number of terrorists killedl *94. SHRI C. MADHAV REDO I: Will the rounded up in tl,. State during this period Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: and the quantity of arms and ammunition seized from them; (a) whether hand made woollen carpat Industry in Uttar Pradesh and elsewhere is in (c) the number of security personnel a crippled state due to high import dl:1ies, fall killed/seriously wounded by terrorists during in wool production and large scale export of this period; and sheep meat; and (d) the steps being taken to improve the (b) if so, the corrective steps Govern- law and order situation in the State? ment propose to take in the matter? THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (S.BUTA SINGH): (a) to (c). During the pe- MINISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI RAM riodfrom 12th May. 1987to 25th July, 1987. NIWAS MIRDHA): (8) No, Sir. 233 persons, including 22 policemen, were killed due to terrorist activities in Punjab. 107 (b) Does not artse. terrorists were killed, 951 were arrested and 447weapons, 15 handgrenadesJbombs and Export of Jute Products 3181 cartridges were recovered during ac- tion by police against terrorists in the State *95. SHRI LALITESHWAR PRASAD during the above period. According to avail- SHAHI: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be able information 14 security personnel have pleased to state: been wounded since the imposition of President's Rule. (a) whether steps have been initiated by Government in cooperation with Bangla- (d) The steps taken to improve law and desh to boost jute goods exports and to order situation and to curb terrorist activities divert the end uses of jute products; in Punjab include raids on the hide-outs of terrorists, their harboursrs and associates; (b) if so, the details thereof; and deployment of para-military forces; inten- sification of ponce patrolling and strengthen- (c) to what extent the export of jute prod- ing of security arrangements on the border. ucts will get the boost? SAARC Fund THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF TEXTilES (SHRI RAM *97. SHRI G. BHOOPATHV: Will the NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No, Sir. Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) and (c). Do not arise.
Law and Order situation In Punjab (a) the names of the countries which have contributed to the SAARC fund and the *96. SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA: amount contributed by each country; SHRI KRISHNA SINGH: (b) the steps being taken to persuade the Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be member countries of the SAARC to make 45 Written AnswelS SRAVANA 9. 1909 (SAKA) Written AnsW81S 46 adequate contributions to finance its activi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINI- ties; and STRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH): (a) While there is no (c) the main activities of the SAARC which SAARC FUND as such. the latest position will be financed out of this fund? regarding the pledges of contributions for SAARC programme activities is as follows:
STATEMENT
Bangladesh Bangladesh Takas 7.5 million (= Indian Rs. 3.36 million approx.) (1987-88) Bhutan Bhutanese Nu 2 million (=Indian Rs. 2 million) (1987-88) India Indian Rs. 15 million (1987-88) Maldives Maldivian Rufiyaa 252,000 (.Indian Rs. 420,000 approx.) 1987 Nepal Nepalese Rs. 7 million (=Indian Rs. 4.12 million approx.) (1987-88)
Pakistan Pakistani Rs. 12.5 million + Rs. 500,000 for scholarships (= Indian Rs. 9.33 (1987-88) million + Indian Rs. 373,000 approx.) Sri Lanka Sri Lanka Rs. 5 million (1987) (. Indian Rs. 2.22 million approx.)
(b) Contributions presently made by recently banned; member States are adequate, for the time being, to finance SAARC activities. (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and
(c) The contributions by member coun- (c) whether licence holders can import or tries are used for financing programmes not? included in the SAARC Calendar of Adivities and for other programmes agreed to by the THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS member countries to expand and (S.BUTA SINGH): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. On strengthen regional cooperation. receipt of reports from some Indian Missions abroad about an unprecedented spurt in the Ban on Import of Revolvers import of firearms as part of baggage by Indian tou{ists, which in the Prevailingcondi- *98. SHAt S.G. GHOLAP: Will the Min- tions was not considered desirable. a ban on ister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: such imports was imposed in public interest with effect from 13.11.1986. Under the said (a) whether import of revolvers has been ban, licence holders cannot import fire arms. 47 Written AnswelS JULY 31. 1987 Written Answers ,48. Haryana Stand on Punjab Accord [English]
*99. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Minis- Khanna Comm' ••'on Recommenda- terot HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: tion. and Rule. Under Deihl Fir. Pr.ventlon and Fir. Sa'ity Act, (a) whether the Haryana Government 1986 has declared its opposition to Punjab ac- cord; and 892. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the reaction of Union Govern- ment thereto ? (a) whether the recommendations of Justice D.R. Khanna Enquiry Commission were fully implemented before 29 June. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS 1987 when fire broke out in Ansal Bhavan in (S.BUTA SINGH): (a) The Government has New Delhi; if not, the reasons therefor; not received any communication from the Govern-ment of Haryana declaring its oppo- sition to Punjab Accord. (b) whether the rules required to be framed under the Delhi Fire Prevention and Fire Safety Ad, 1986 have been framed: and (b) D08s not arise. (c) if not, the reasons therefor and the [ Translation] time by which these rules are proposed to be framed and laid on the Table of the Houses of Parliament? U.e of National Calendar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI *100. SHRI KUNWAR RAM: Will the CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): (a) Most of the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to recommendations of Justice D.R. Khanna, state: Commission of Enquiry have been imple- mented before 29th June, 1987, However, (a) whether all the organs of Government 194 high-rise buildings, including Ansal I follow English calendar instead of national Bhavan, have baen deficient in adequate calendar; and five-safety measures.
(b) and (c). The Delhi Fire Prevention and (b) whether it is proposed to continue the Fire Safety Rules, 1987 framed under the practice indefinitely? Act have been notHied on 31.3.1987 and already laid on the Table of the Houses. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S.BUTA SINGH): (a) No, Sir. The Saka era Production of tea In DarJ •• llng ,has been adopted for the National Calendar I 893. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will the land is used for certain official purposes in Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to conjunction with the Gregorian Calendar. state:
\ (b) It will be necessary to continue to· usa (8) the quantum of tea production ham- the GregOrian Calendar which is in vogue in pered due to Gorlcha National Liberation other countries, for official purposes until a Front (GNLF) agitation; new world Calendar is generallY accepted and introduced, 10 as to avoid confusion. (b) the steps baing taken to revive the 49 Wrllten Answers SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 50 conditions of the affected tea gardens; and AFFAIRS be pleased to state:
(c) the foreign exchange lost in the 1983 21.8 per thousand populatIOn 1984 21.3 per thousand population 1985 21.0 par thousand population (Provisional) (c) Statement containing required popu- rate for the years 1983... 85, thetopUvestates lation figures is given below. that have recorded the highest growth rate are Haryana, Rajasthan Meghalaya, Bihar, (d) Based on the average natural growth and Madhya Pradesh. STATEMENT Population of IndialStates/U. Ts as per 1981 Census IndialStateslU. T. Population in 1981 Census 1 2 INDIA * + 66,52,87,849 STATES 1. Andhra Pradesh 5,35,49,673 51 Written AnswelS JULY 31, 1987 Written AnSwelS 52 1 2 2. Bihar 6,99,14,734 3. Gujarat 3,40,85,799 4. Haryana 1,29,22,618 5. Himachal Pradesh 42,80.818 6. Jammu & Kashmir 59.87,389 7. Karnataka 3,71.35,714 8. Kerala 2,54,53,680 9. Madhya Pradesh 5,21,78,844 10. Maharashtra 6.27,84,171 11. Manipur 14,20.953 12. Meghalaya 13.35,819 13. Nagaland 7,74,930 14. Orissa 2, 63,70, 271 15. Punjab 1.67,88,915 16. Rajasthan 3,42,61,862 17. Sikkim 3,16.385 18. Tamil Nadu 4,84,08.077 19. Tripura 20.53,058 20. Uttar Pradesh 11.08.62.013 21. West Bengal 54,580.647 UNION TERRITORIES 1. Andaman & Nioobar Islands 1,88,741 2. Arunachal Pradesh . 6,31,839 53 Written AnswelS SRAVANA9, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 54 1 2 3. Chandigarh 4,51,610 4. Oadra & Nagar Haveli 1,03,676 5. Delhi 62,20,406 6. Goa, Daman & Diu 10,86,730 7. Lakshadweep 40,249 8. Mizoram 4,93,757 9. Pondicherry 6,04,471 * Excludes Assam where census could not be held owing to distrubed coflditions prevailing there CCL the time ~f 1981 Census. + Excludes population of areas under unlawful occupation of Pakistan and China were census could not be taken. Africa Cultural F•• tlval Held In Ballet of Senegal presented items highlight- Deihl ing ritual and traditional items. 895. SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: Will the (ii) 10-member Ghana Dance En- Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be semble had a repertorie basad on ceremo- pleased to state: nial events in Africa. (a) whether an Africa Cultural Festival (iii) A 9-member cultural troupe from was held in Delhi; Ethiopia presented folk dances accom- pained by traditional musical instruments. (b) if so, the details of the African coun- tries represented in that festival and the (iv) A 10-member Mo-Mam-Twa group details of the programme shown; and from Mauritius presented traditional Sega, modern interpretations and African music. (c) whether it is proposed to organise such festivals in other parts of the country? (v) The 6-member cultural troupe from Burkina Faso presented percussion items THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE alongwith song and dance. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes, from 25th to (vi) A 4-member group from Nigeria led 28th May, 1987. by Ms. Oneyka Onwenu sang songs in English and Ebo. (b) Six African countries were repre- sented at the Festival. They were Senegal, (vii) A 16-member group of Siddhis of Ghana, Ethiopia, Mauritius , Nigeria and African Origin from Guiarat also presented Burkina Faso. The details of the programme ftems at the Festival. shown are: (c) Such festivals have already been or- (i) 15-member Sira Badral National ganised in other parts of the country. The 55 Written Answers JULY 31, 1987 Written Answ9fs 56 Africa Festival was held In Calcutta from (b) if so, the details of the plan and 29th to 31st May, in Bangalore on 2nd and the names of those places where such 3rd June and in Bombay from 5th to 7th centres are to be established; and June, 1987. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Convention Complex of Interna- tional Standards at Kovalam THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. 896. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: DAS MUNSI): (a) to (c). Some States like SHRI T. BASHEER: West Bengal, U.P., Rajasthan, Maharash- tra, Tamilnadu, Karnataka, J & K etc., have Will the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to shown interest in setting up exhibition com- state: plexes in their capitals. The Trade Fair Au- thority of India is in touch with these States. (a) whether there is any proposal to con- struct a convention complex of international Concessions For Manufacture of standards at Kovalam in Kerala and if so, the 'Sulabh' Fabrics details thereof; 898.SHRI PURNA CHANDRA MALIK: (b) whether the State Department of Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to Tourism in Kerala has also made any spe- state: cific proposal and if so, the details thereof; and (a) whether Government have any pol .. icy to extend concessions to private sector (c) the progress made in the implemen- mills for manufacture of 'Sulabh'fabrics; and tatiQn of the proposal and the time by which the convE!ntion complex is expected to be (b) if so, the details thereof? ready? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE KUMAR): (a) and (b). Government do not, at MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- present, have any proposal to extend the ISTER STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF OF scheme ~or production of 'Sulabh' fabrics to TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TVTLER): (a) to private sector mills. (c). The Central Ministry of Tourism had re- ceived a proposal from the Government of Holding of International Trade Kerala for construction of a Convention Fairs Outside Deihl Complex at Kovalam as a joint venture with the India Tourism Development Corpora .. 899.SHRI SyeO MASUDAL HOS- ticn. The feasibility study conducted by the SAIN: Will the Minister of COMt..1ERCE be India Touri5m Development Corporation pleased to state: has revealed that Convention Centre will not be a viable proposition. The proposal has, (a) whether there is any proposal to hold therefore, been dropped. international trade fairs and other interna- tional fairs at the centres other than Delhi; Permanent Trade Fair Centres Outside Deihl (b) if so, the details thereof; and 897. SHAI MATILAL HANSDA: Will the (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Minister of COMMF.RCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINI .. STERY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (a) whether there is any plan to estab- DAS MUNSI): (a) to (c). The Trade Fair lish permanent centres for trade fairs in Authority of India is scheduled to organise on different parts of the country; international leather fair at Madras during 57 Written Answers SRAVANA 9. 1909 (SAKA) Wrinen Answers 58 January-February. 1988. No concrete pro- from the deep sea by posals have emerged for organising intema- tional fairs at other place at present (i) identificati.on of the prospective for- eign parties to enter into agreement with In- Export Target of Marine Products In dian parties for joint ventures. Seventh Plan (ii) assistance to companies engaged in 900.SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: deep sea fishing by way of limited aquity WHI the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased participation through MPEDA. to state: (iii) assistance to entrepreneurs in ,r- (a) the target set for export of marine ranging finances by taking up cases with produds by the end of the Seventh Five year financial institutionslbanks. Plan; State Bills Pending for President's (b) the steps take:1 to achieve the target; Assent and 901. SHRt AMAL DAnA: Will the Min- (c) the steps taken to increase marine ister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: fishing from the deep sAa? (a) the names of Bills passed by the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE State Assemblies pending wkh Union Gov- MINI-STRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. ernment for President's assent, at present, DAS MUNSI): (a) Export of seafoods has State-wise; been envisaged at As. 446 crores by the and of t~e Seventh Plan at 1984-85 prices. (b) the dates on which these Bills were received; and (Source: Seventh Plan 1985-90). (c) the present position of these Bills? (b) Steps are taken to achive the target by augmenting the marine export by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE increasing production of cultured shrimp, an- MINI-STRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC couragement of production of value added GRIEVA-NCES AND PENSIONS AND items like IOF, setting up of Prawn Hatcher- MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY ies and prawn Seed Bandks. OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA- RAM): (a) to (c). 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SHAILESH: Will the Min- ister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to (b) the criteria that have been laid down state: to fix the price of yarn at which it is being supplied; and (8) whether the third session of the Council of Ministers of the South Asian (c) wnat steps are being taken to en- Association for Regional Cooperation sure regular yarn supply to the handtoom (SAARC) was held in New Delhi during industry? June. 1987; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- (b) if so, its achievement and the out- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA come of the call given by the Prime Minister KUMAR): (a) Handloom sector has to de- of India for closer SAARC co-operation; and pend on the organised mHl sector for its supply of yarn. This is supplied mainly (c) the steps suggested by the SAARC to through private traders although $Ome stop drug trafficking through bilateral ar- Cooperative Societies and State Handloom rangements and the follow-up action taken Development Corporations have made ar- in this behalf to curb drug menace ? rangements for supply of yam to the weav- ers covered by them. The National Hand- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE loom Development Corporation is also im- MINI-STAY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS plementing a scheme to supply yam to State (b) The meeting took a number of deci- (b) No criteria for fixing the price of yam sions which will have the effect of expanding has been laid down. and strengthening regional cooperation. These decisions are generally along the (c) Government of India have imposed lines suggested by the Prime Minister in his a statutory obligation on all mills to pad( at inaugural address. least 500/0 of their marketable yam in the form of hanks, 85% of which is to be in counts (c) The SAARC Technical Committee on 40s and below. the Prevention of Drug Trafficking and Drug Abuse has recommended the exchange of Controlled Clot.h to Economically operational intelligence and detailed infor- Weaker Sections mation on suspects and traffickers, improve- ment in communication and tele-communi- 904. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: cation links and frequent meetings of the Will the Minister of TeXTILES be pteased to agencies concerned to evolve ways and state: means to stop drug trafficking. Follow-up action is being taken in terms of these rec- (a) whether the Union Govemment's ommendations. scheme regarding distribution of controUad cloth to economically weaker sections and Agencl •• Supplying Yarn to Hand· villagers is being administered by the Food loom Factories and Civil Supplies Department of Maharash· tra Government since 1972; 903. SHRt AMARSINH RATHAWA: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to (b) whether a card holdar used to gat state: restrided quantities of dhoti sarae and long cloth at controlled prices every thr.. (d) if so, whether this has lad to misuse 907. DR. SUDHIR ROY: Will the Minister of the controlled cloth meant for the poor; of TOURISM be pleased to state: and (a) the names of the tourist spots in (e) if so. whether Union Government West Bengal which have been brought on propose to reimpose the "earlier restrictions the international tourism map; so that controlled cloth could be available to the poor at cheaper price? (b) whether some arrangements have been made for the development of these THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- places during the present plan period; and ISTRY OF TEXTilES (SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. (c) if so, the details thereof? (c) Restrictions were relaxed with af- fect from 21.1.1982. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- (d) It cannot be said that controlled cloth ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF has been unauthorisedly diverted because TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER): (a) to of this relaxation. (c). The places of tourist interest which have a reasonable level of infrastructure are (e) Does not arise in view of (d) aoove. publicised and promoted abroad by the Department of Tourism. SO~q of the follow- Installation of Computer In Passport ing places in West Bengal are popular with Office Hyderabad foreign tourists, such as Calcutta; Darjee- Iing ... Kalimpong .. Kurseong; Oigha; Shantini- 906.SHRI S. PALAKONDRAYUDU:WiII ketan; Jaldapara (Wild life sanctuary) and the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be the Sunderban; etc. pleased to state: The Department's print production pro- (8) whether there is any proposal to gramme for the year 1986-87 included the instal computer in the Regional Passport following special Folders and Directories on Office at Hyderabad (AP) during 1987-88; West Bengal which are distributed through and our offices overseas: (b) if so, the details thereof and the 1) Calcutta Folder amount sar -+ioned for the same? 2) Calcutta Directory 3) Shantiniketan, Vishnupur Durga- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pur Folders WaINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 4) Shantiniketan, Vishnupur Durga- (SHRI K. NAlWAR SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. pur Directory (b) The Ministry has made plans to During the 7th Plan period the Central computerise 16 of its passport offices in a Government has sanctioned an amount of phased rhanner. The Regional Passport As. 40.17 lakhs for construction of tourist Office, Hyderabad is being covered during lodge and 5 cottages at Digha. Out of Rs. 1987-88. The cost of computer system at 40.17 lakhs RS. 20.00 lakhs have already Hyderabadfor which order has already been been released to the Government of West placed is Rs. 4,15,000 (excluding local Bengal. 81 Written An... rs SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 82 Foreign Exchange Earnings from (d) whether any new border roads are Tourists under constructionlconsideration in this sector with the estimated cost and the target 908.SHRI P.R.S. VENKATESAN: Will date for completion? the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRi K.C. PANT): (a) and (b). No, Sir. (a) the increase in the foreign tourists traffic and earnings during the period 1980- (c) Does not arise. 81 to 1986-87; (d) No, Sir. (b) whether the earnings from tourism during the period have increased proportion- Funds for Cooperative Textile Mills ately to the increase in tourists traffic; and In Kefals (c) if not, the reasons therefore? 910.SHRI. P.A. ANTONY. Will the Minis- ter of TEXTILES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- (a) whether Union Government pro- ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF pose to make available funds for completing TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER): (a) the cooperative textile mills in Kerala; and (b) The increase in foreign tourist arri- vals excluding the nationals of Pakistan and (b) if so, the extent of assistance being Bangladesh during the period from 1980-81 provided? to 1986-87 is about 35.6 percent. As per the estimates available, the foreign exchange THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- eamings from tourism has increased by ISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI S. about 52.6 percent during the same period. KRISHNA KUMAR): (8) Union Government do not provide funds for the setting up of (c) Does not arise. cooperative textile mills. Development of Reads on Northern (b) Does not arise in view of (a) above. Bordar In Bihar Impact of Failing Price. on Earn- 909.SHRI SYEO SHAHABUDDIN: Will ings of Developing Countries the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: 911.SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased (a) whether the northern border of Bihar to state: has been surveyed recently to assess the roquirement of roads, bridges, and culverts (a) whethpr the commodity prices have for facilitation of mt'vement along the inter- been diving in developing nations, leading to national border; reduced earnings; (b) whether any existing border roads in (b) whether this is the result of manipu- this sector have been taken up for upgrada- lations by the developed countries or due to tion or renovation during the last three oversupply; and years; (c) what steps are contemplated by (c) Hso, the length of the road taken up developing countrit)s together to protect and the expenditure incurred thereon; and producer interests? 83 Written Answers JULV 31, 1987 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE this min; and MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI): Wllthe Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to (d) if so, when this will be imple- state: mented? (.) whether the attention of Union THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- Govemment has been drawn about the ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA closure of Kesho Ram Cotto" Milts in West KUMAR) : Government is not aware. Bengal; (b) to (d). In the past, India used to import (b) if so, the reasons thereof; sizeable quantities of long and extra long staple varieties of cotton from countries like (c) the number of workers employed in Egypt and Sudan. As a result of vigorous SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) efforts, India has already succeeded in pm- Progr... In ..ttlement of Bord.r ducing surpluses of acceptable quality of DI.put. with China cotton of long and extra long staple variety for exports. 915. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR: SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: Prime Min later'. Interview to AlMrl· SHRI LALITESHWAR PRASAD can Journalist SHAHI: SHRI T. BASHEER: SHRI KRISHNA SINGH: 914. SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: WiD the SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: pleased to state: SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESH WARt: whether the Prime Minister had SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: given an interview to the well known Ameri- DR. G.S. RAJHANS: can Journalist, Mr. Russel Warren Howe; SHAI JAGDISH AWASTHI: SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: (b) if so, whether the interview has CH. RAM PRAKASH: been published in IIPent House" magazin&; DR. B.L. SHAILESH: (c) whether this was as per agree- Nih the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ment; and be pleased to state: (d) if not. the steps taken in the matter? (a> the latest progress in the tab on ·"8 settlement of border issue with China including the brief outline of talks outcome of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the latest round of taks held by him during MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI the recent visit to Beijing; K. NATWAR SINGH): (a) to (d). The inter- view was granted by the Prime Minister to (b) whether any frash initiative would Mr. Russel Warren Howe for usa in a book be taken to resolve the border dispute-at an that Mr Howe stated he was writing on early date and another round of talks would "Statesmanship in the Twentieth Century". be held; and However. the journalist made unauthorised use of the interview and released it for pub- (c) if so, the likely date thereof? lication in the Penthouse magazine. The Embassy of India, Washington. has written to the Editor and Publisher of the Penthouse THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE magazine as well as to Mr. Russel Warren MINISTRYOFEXTERNALAFFAIRS(SHRI Howe pointing out the clear breach of jour- K. NATWAR SINGH) : Foreign Money R.celved by Reli- 1985 & 1986 Under computarisation. gious and Social Organisations 916. SHRI BHADRESHWAR TANTI: Attack on Assam Rifles Outpost Will the Minister of HOME 'AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 917. SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: Will the <8> whether there is a great flow of Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to foreign money into India through various state: religious and social organisations; (a) whether an Assam Rifles outpost (b) if so, whether any steps have been was attacked by hostile elements in the taken to check this flow of foreign money; Senapati Hill district of Manipur recently ; and (c) if so, the details thereof; and (b) if so, the details thereof? (d) the total amount of,foreign money that flew into the country during 1984.. 85, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1985-86 and 1986-87 ? MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA· GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN· RAM): (a) Yes, Sir. ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA .. (b) On July 9, 1987 around 1200 hrs. a RAM): (a) Substantial foreign contributions large group of Naga underground elements, are being received by various organisations allegedly members of the National Socialist including religious and social organisations. Council of Nagaland (NSCN) raid~d the Assam Rifles post at Oinam, near Tadubi (b) and (c) Foreign contribution (Regula .. (Senapati district), killing 9 AR personnel tion) k11976 was enaded to regulate the including the Post Commander, and seri- acceptance and utilisation of foreign contri- ously injuring 3 others. The underground bution by certain persons and associations. elements initially crippled the Signal Centre Whenever lapses are noticed in respect of of the Post before attacking the Assam Rifles any association receiving foreign contribu .. post itself. The insurgents carried away a tion, necessary action is being taken under sizeable quantity of arms and ammunition. the FC(R) Ad. At present fourteen associa- The Security Forces and the Police, both in tions are required to obtain prior permission Manipur and Nagaland have launched of the Central Govemment before accepting combing operations to apprehend the insur~ any foreign contribution and nine associa- gents. The Security Forces in the course of tions have been prohibited from accepting their combing operations have recovered any foreign contribution. In four cases prose- some weapons and ammunition, from out of cutions have been lodged with the CBI for the arms/ammunition looted by the under- violating provisions of the FC(R) Act In ground from the Assam Rifles post atOinam. another case, prosecution has been lodged These arms/ammunition were found buried with State Government. in the jungle area. 81 Wdtt.,An.... SRAVANAO.1908(SAKA) Written AnsweIs 8Q I Relmpo.ltlon of Em.fgency Regula. for OV8t'l8aS markets is clone at the Calcutta tlon. In South Africa Audion. Thus it may not be practicable to ask the tea companies to shift theirofficars to 918. SHRI KRISHNA SINGH: Will the Gawahati. Such a shift wUI deprive these Minister of EXTERNAt AFFAIRS be companies of the above-mentioned inf .... pJeased to state : tructural facilities. - (a) whether Governmenrs attention Closure of Textile Mill. In Nortll.,n has been drawn to the recent reimposition of Region 'emergency regulations in South Africa by the racist regime; and 920. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto? Ca> whether Government are aware THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE that the textile mills in Northem Region are MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI facing closure due to inadequate availability EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Government'ara" of cotton and also increasing cotton p"'; aware of the reimposition of emergency and regulations by the racist rr ~ime in South Africa. (b) ~ if so, the action taken by Gove~ ment to provide adequate supply of cotton at (b) Govemment condemns all such re- reasonable price to these mills to save them . pressive actions of the South African racist from closure jn the larger int.erest of millions regime which grossly violate the political and of worke(S ~mployed in these mills? human rights of the people. . THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- Shifting of H•• d Offle•• of Te. ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA Companle. to Guwah.tl KUMAR) : (a) The reasons which lead to closure of mills are varied and may be attrib- 919. PROF. PARAG CHALIHA: Will the uted to excess capacity, surplus labour. Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to sluggish demand, old and obsolete machin- state: ery, high cost of production. etc. (8) whether Union Government have (b) Does not arise in view of (a) above. received any proposal from State Govern- ment of Assam about shifting of Head Of- fices of the Tea Companies, having tea Reopening of Jut. MIlia In West gardens in Assam from Calcutta to Bengal Guwahati; and 921. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: (b) If so, the steps taken in the matter? SHRIMATIGEETAMUKHERJEE: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased., . MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. state: DAS MUNSI) : (a> Yes, Sir. (8) wh8ther it is a fact that large num- (b) Tea is a major traditional export ber of jute mills are cIof8d In West Bengal; commodity from India Calcutta being one of .. the major Indian ports has remained the (b) Hso, the number or closed mills in centre of export activities for a long time. A West Bengal as on 1st July, 1987 and how number of exporting firms are tocatad at many workers have been thrown out of lab CaJcuIa. Moreover, most of the tea buying as a result of this; . e~ wmran AnSMtnt JULY 31, 1987 Wllten AnI.... 92 (c) do Govanment propose to take Group of Experts on Terrorism and to con ... step to reopen these mills; and -vena a Group of legal experts to prepare a draft Regbnal Convention on Terrorism for (d) if so, what has been done In this consideration at ,.,. Ninth Session of the rargard? Standing Committee; THt: DePUTY MliUSTER IN THE MIN- (iill to establish a South Asian Food ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S.KRISHNA Security Reserve; KUMAR) : (a> and (b). There were 18 jute miDi lying closed in West Bengal as on 1st (iv) to proceed with the establishment July, 1987 affecting about 68,900 workers. of regional institutions and to share the insti- tutional costs of such institutions in terms of (c) and (d). Under the Industrial Disp·.. 'tes the recommendations of the Standing Ad., the State Government is the appropriate Committee and of the Working Group onthe authority for dealing with matters pertaining Sharing of Costs of Aegionallnstitutions; to industrial disputes and as such it is for them to take appropriate action in the matter. {v} to recommend that the Third Necessary assistance in this regard is al .. SAARC Summit in Kathmandu be held from ways extended by the Central Govemment. November 2 to 4, 1987; and SAARC Summit (vi) to lay down interim guidelines for the Secret~ry General of the SAAR'C Secre- 922. SHAI E. AVYAPU REDDY: Will tariat on the question of dealing wilH different the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be agencies outside SAARC and to endorse pleased to state: the Standing Committee's decisions on various matter, corr.eming the. SAARC (I) to implement fiV8 new schemes to (c) whether such subsidy is usually promote;eople to-people contacts among granted to the same persons who controltha the SAARC member countries; authority from the trade; (I) to take early measures to imple- (d) the steps being taken to ensure ment the recommendations of the SAARC that the iinandal assistance is not giYen to 93 WtitIM An..,. .SRAVANA9, 1909 (SAKA) Wrilten Ans.. " 94 same persons time and 8galn; and given below. (e) whether Government will ensure (c) and (d). No, Sir. Assistance under that Maharashtra also obtains such assis- various subsidy schemes is given once to tance from MPEDA ? those beneficiaries who are found eligible under the respective schemes. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (e) Eligible beneficiaries in Mahara-shtra MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. have received subsidy under schemes of DAS MUNSI): (a) and (b). A Statement is MPEDA. 95 _Anaws JULYS1, 1,.7 . W""'~III .. §~ 0 N Z=- 0 -Z ~ .... 0 i.. ·s I ! 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Ll) u.. .S Q N . . . o ..... an co ..... ~ 99 Written AnS"" JUlY 31. 1887 100 o N d N N '0 c~ -~c: Q) ... c» c .... c»"fi o E as -.s::..J:l SEa; ~U)i ~-5 .c N :2= .-"O=c:.D .!~G) In as ~ :;,_o .g-;;! cngJe; cn.C ....N ...... ; 101 Written AnetMS SRAYANA 9, '1909 (SAKA ) Wdtten MI.t'" 1'12 [Trans/lItion) country. ITDC Plan for. mora Accommo- (b) to (d). The I.T.D.C. wlbealkling221 dation to Tour.ats 'rooms by the end cf Seventh Frva Year Plan through the construction 'expansion of Its 924. SHRt MADAN PANDEY: Will the own hotels and joint ventura hotel projects Minister of TOURISM be pleased to state: taken up by it in collaboration with the Stat. Govem-mantslCorporations: A ateIament (a) whether the accommodation avail- giving the details of these projects is given able at present with I.T.D.C. is not sufficient below. for the incoming tourists every year; To encourage private sector to construc;t (b) I so, whether Government are hotels at tourist places an over the count". preparing any plan to make available more Government has extended several incenti- accomfilodation for the convenience of the ves/concessions to the hotel industry. These tourists; include exemption from the MRTP Ad in the matter of both new projects and expansion of (c) if so, full details thereof and the existing hotels; income tax hotiday to new amount likely to be spent thereon; and hotels; higher depreciation all~wance; cen- tral subsidy for construction of new hotels art (d) if not, the reasons therefor? specified backward areas; interest subsidy on hotel loans advanced by IFel; Foreign Exchange Incentive quota for overseas ad- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE veriisinglpublicity, promotional tours, import MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- of provisions, equipmont including vehicles ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF (upto two in a year) ; concessional customs TOURISM (SHRt JAGDISH TYTLER) : (a) duty on a number of items imported by hotels Hotel accommodation suit_Ie". for foreign for actual use; priority in the allotment of tourists is provided both by tha public and telephonet1eJex connections, etc. Besides, private sectors; the major share being in the some of the State Govemm9nts have also private sector. The overall position, how- accorded hotelsltourism the status of an ever, is that there is a general shortage of industry which entitles hotels to such con- good hotel accom~at:on at some of the cessions/incentives as are available to other major centres of tourist importance in the industries in the respective Stat'. ' Statement 51. No. Name of the Project Estimated Cost (Rs. in Lakhs) 1 2 3 1. Hotel at Gulmarg 153.00 30160 2. Expn. and Conversipn of TL at 48.00 20140 Bodhgaya into a Hotel - 3. Expn. of LVP Hotel at Udaipur 32.00 19& 4. Hotel at Ranchl 130.00 30160 (Joint Ventur.) 103 WiiIt." Answe,. JULY 31,1987 Written Ana.. IS 104 1 2 3 5. Hotel at Purl 190.00 44188 (~int Venture) 6. Hotel at Bhopal 190.00 38n6 . (Joint Ventur.) 7. Hotel at Itanagar 80.00 20/40 (Joint Venture) 8. Hotel at Pondicherry 81.00 20/40 (Joint Venture) 221/442 [Eng/ish] (a) whather there has been any prog- ress in the Bbatnagar Inquiry Committee Setting up of Ordnance Factory In set-up by Government into the alleged pay- Andhra Pradesh ment of commission by the West German firm in the submarine deal; and 925.SHRIMATI N. P. JHANSI LA- KSHMI: (b) if 10, the details thereof? DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: THE MINISTER OF STATE tN THE Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to DEPARTME.,T OF DEFENCE PRODUC- state: TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRArV. PATIL). (a) whether there is any proposal (8) and (b). The Committee under the chair- pending with Government to set up a military manship of defence secretary is not inquir· vehicle fadorylordnance fadory at Bhakar- ing into the allegations of payment of apet in 'Cuddapah district of Andhra commission in any cfefence deaf. Govt. Pradesh; and Order const~uting this Committee is given in . the Statement below. This committee com- (b) if so, the details of the proposal and menced functioning on 15-4-1987 and has the actiori taken by Govemment thereon? held five meetings so far. The Report of this committee is likely to be submitted to Gov- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ernment shortly. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY STATEMENT OF DEFENCE (SHAI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) (a) atKt (b). There is no such proDOsal under Government have decided to set up a consideration. committee consisting: (i) Defence secretary - Chairman EnquIry Into Allegad Paymant of commission In Submarine deal (ii) Secretary (DP&S) . Member 926. DR. D.N. REDDY: Will the Minist. (iii) Additional sacy (V) - Member of DEFENCE be pleased to state: eacretary 105 KtttM An...,. SRAVANA 9. 1909 (SAKA) Wtlten AM... 106 2. This Com"*," thal:- (b) if so, the salient f.atures thereof; (8) report on the modus operandi of and for-tgn and Indian agents in Oa- f.ta deals. It may approach vari- . (c) if not, when it is likely to submit Is OU8 Government intenlgenc8 agen- report? cies for ass~nce, as mecessary; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN lHE (b).. suggest (1ecessary steps elimi- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAlR~ (SHR' nating such .agents from Defence CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): (a> No. Sir. transactions; - (b) Does not arise. (c) review and make suggestions re- garding the streamlining of existing (c) The Commission is expected to procedures; submit its report by 31 st October, 1987. (d) recommend punitive and deterrent Closure of Textile MIUa action to be taken; and 928. SHRI UTTAMRAOPATlL: Willth. (e) evaluate the security threat which Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: such agents can pose by devsloping clandestine contacts within the De- (8) whether many textile mills have . fence set-up, securing access to been closed in the country and especially in sensitive information and capacity Maharashtra during the last three yaars; to blackmail. (b) if so, the details thareof including 3. The first meeting of the committee would the names of the mills closed and the num- be held at 9.15 A.M. on Wednesday. the 15th ber of workers who became unemployed as April. 1987 in the room of defence secretary. a result of the closure of the textile mills; and Sd/- N.N. Vohra (c) what steps Govemment have Additional Secretary (V) taken or proposed to taka to restart the 14-4-1987 closed mills to mitigate the suffering of the Secretary (DP&S) unemployed workers? Min of Oef 1.0. No. 3532/AS (V)/87. dated 14-4-87. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA .Copy to : FA(OS) - He may please attend KUMAR): (a) The number of cotton textile the meeting as a special Invitee. mills which have been closed in the country as a whole and in Maharashtra during the N.O.C. last three years upto 31 st May, 1987 was 66 Copy: Defence secretary. and 6 respectively. Sarkari. Commission (b) A Statement is given below. 927. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: (c) A Nodal agency has been consti- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be tuted to ascertain whether sid( mills are pleased to state: potentially viable or not. The Nodal Agency formulates and oversees the implementa- (a) whetharthe Sarkaria Commission tion of rehabilitation packages in respect of appointed to go into the Centre State rela- those mills found by it to be potentially viable. tionship has submitted any report; w.orkers of those mills which closed down 107 Written AnSwelS JULY 31, 1987 T Ktitten AnswetS 108 permanently on or after 6th June. 1985 will Textile Workers' Ra habilitation fund be entitled to financial assi~ance under the Schema. STATEMENT Detans of cotton textile mills which have been lying cfosed since 1st June, 1984, to 31st May, 1987 s. No. Name of the Statel Date of Spindles Looms Employ- ·Mill closure eeson roll 1 2 3 4 5 Andhra Pradesh Spg. Mills l. Shri Ramc~andra Spg. 10.8.84 7044 93 Mills Andhra Pradesh Compo~ite Mills 2. Dowan Bhadur Ramgopal Mills 29.3.87 34096 520 2658 Ltd., Secunderabad Assam :>pinning Mills 3. Assam Cotton Mills Ltd 13.3.87 34944 1079 Chariduwar Rest of Gujarat Spg. Mills 4. Gandhidham Spg. & Mfg. 25.7.86 15964 611 Co., Adipur, Kutch 5. Dharak Ltd .• Kalol 1.6.86 1600 NA (Wound up) Ahmedabad Composite Mills 6. Ahmadabad Cotton Mfg. 1:6.84 31764 545 1308 Co.Ud.No.1,Bag~ha Mills, Ahmedabad 7. Aryodaya Spg. & Wvg. 18.11.86 50048 980 1500 Mills Co. Ltd., Ahmd. 8. Prasad Mills Ltd., 26.11.86 25104 461 1384 Ahmedabad 109 Wtilten AnswetB SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 110 1 2 3 4 5 9. Sree Bansidhar Spg. 16.9.85 40712 416 1001 Wvg. Mills Ltd Ahmedabad 10. Commercial Ahmadabad 16.10.85 39160 744 2154 Mills Co. Ltd., Ahmedabad 11. New Gujarat Synthethics . 10.8.86 42592 644 2686 Ud., No.1, Ahmedabad 12. New Gujarat Synthetics 1.9.86 39400 561 2099 Ud., No.2, Ahmedabad 13. Omex Investers Ltd., 1.8.86 51800 1139 2758 Ahmedabad. 14. Bharat Suryodaya Mills Ud., 28.10.86 265618 540 3758 Ahmedabad. 15. Ahmedabad Mfg. & Calico 10.3.87 58788 900 7460 Ptg. Co. ltd. (Jubilee Mills) Ahmedabad. 16. Ahmedabad Sri Ramakrishna 19.3.87 31160 574 1754 Mills Co. Ltd., Ahmedabad. 17. Shree Vivekanda Mills Ltd., 13.4.87 31768 574 1387 Ahmedabad. Rest of Gujarat Camp. Mills 18. Gaekwar Mills Ltd., 11.6.86 38787 876 2031 Billimora. 19. Navjivan Mills Ltd .• 15.12.86 27660 570 800 Kalol. 20. P. G. Textile Mills Ltd., 24.2.87 34352 648 Baroda Karnakata Composite Mills 21. Sree Kishnarajendra Mills, 5.6.84 44974 476 3304 Mysore. Karnataka Spg. Mills 22. Sree Shankara Textile8 Mills. 9.10.84 23760 524 111 WItten Anftws JULY 31 , 1987 W,.."AnIWelS 112 1 2 3 4 5 23. Bellary Spa. & Wvg. MUls Co. Ltd. 25.12.86 1320 298 Bellary. 24. Bhoruka Textiles (Unit of T.O.l. Ltd.) 28.1.87 17024 1163 Dharwar. 25. Chandra Spg. & Wvg. Mills Pvt Ltd •• 8.5.86 12100 237 Bangalore. 26. Chigatari Mills. 18.4.87 11988 Davangare. Kera/a Spg. Mills 27. Thirupathi Mills P. Ltd .• 18.3.87 1n60 537 Cannanore. Kera/a Compo Mills 28. Western India Cotton Ltd., 21.5.87 20180 388 816 Pappinseri Madhya Pradesh Camp, Mills 29. Shree Sanan MRls, Ratlam Feb.'S6 30092 3S2 3177 30. Hope Textile Unit No. 1 6.6.86 28936 748 2368 (Nandalal Bhandri Mills Ud., Indore) Madhya Pradesh Spg. Mills 31, Hope Textiles Unit No. 2 6.6.86 10120 268 (Rai Bahadur Kanahaiyalal 'Bhandari Mills (Indore). Bombay City Composite Mills 32. New Great Estern Spg. &Wvg. Co. Ltd., 13.3.87 59164 1042 2140 Bombay 33. Mod8rn Mills Ud .• No.2 16.3.87 58208 780 1800 Rest of Mahstrashtra Comp. Mills 34. Khandesh Spg. & Wvg. Mills P.. Ltd., 9.8.84 26572 462 2754 Khandesh, Jalagaon 35. Rajan (Textiles) Mills Ltd. 17.8.84 20108 228 113 ..... Ans.,.,. SRAVANA 9, 1801 (SAKA ) WItten AnsMHs 114 1 2 3 4 5 Rest of Maharashtra Spg. AlRIs 36. Yeshwant Sahakari Soot Girn; Niyamit, 8.3.85 13160 385 Bhor. 37. Amravati Growers Co-op. Spg. Mills Ltd.,23.3.87 25336 793 Amravati. Rajasthan Spg. MBls 38. Sindha Syntax Ltd., Udaiput. 3.3.86 14300 670 39. Sundarshan Textiles. Kota 6.3.85 33496 1675 40. Podar Spg. Mills, Jaipur 2.8.85 25056 620 Coimbatore Composite Mills 41. V.anta Mills Ltd., 13.11.84 44696 266 1283 Singnllur, Coimbatora 42. Radha Krishna Mills Ltd., 10.08.86 65264 300 1187 Coimbatore. 43. Dhanalakshmi Mills Ltd., 16.05.87 53336 470 1879 lirupur Rest of Tamil Nadu Comp. Mills 44. Mettur T8xtiles. Mettur Dam (TN), 16.08.85 29696 654 2514 Mattur. 45. (.aI(shmi Shanmuga Mills Ltd., 7.08.86 12540 354 Pudukottai. 46. Pullicar Mills. Ud., 19.04.87 29516 250 584 liuchangode Coimbatore Spg. Mills 47. Vankatesa Spinners P. Ltd. 29.05.87 12240 120 48. Shri Laxmi Durga Mills, 21.02.87 2400 201 Sulur. 48. Akshaya Textiles. 08.04.86 25328 581 Coimbator. SO. K. G. S. Spim.rs. April, '85 256b 168 Coimbator •• 115 Written Answers JULV31,1987 Written AnswelS 116 1 2 3 4 5 51. Coimbatore Popular Spg. Mills(P) Ltd., 17.03.87 11136 231 Coimbatore 52. Shri Theivasingmani Spinniers 23.08.86 1152 19 Lesses MIs. Sree Chenniandavar, Coirnbatore 53. G. T. V. Spinners, Coimbatore 24.4.87 13000 271 Rest of Tamilnadu Spg. Mills 54. Nagmal Mills, Nagarchil 23.10.86 20520 387 55. Tiruvatue Spg. Mills, Karur 18.11.86 2240 55 56. Kathinasam Mills, Pollachi 14.6.87 960 55 57. Kamalarn Oyg. Cotton Mills 19.12.86 5468 31 ss. Sree Urna Parmashwari Mills 8.2.87 21600 699 Thiruchipalli 59. Mahalaxmi Textile Mills Ltd., 25.11.86 38736 1237 Madura; U. P. Spinning Mills 60. Madan Industries Ltd., 3.8.84 25240 1017 Hastinapur 61. Vishal Syntax Ltd. (Modi Syntax Ltd., 3.10.84 25288 1059 Formerly Modi Yarn Mills C Unit of Modi Spg. & Wvg. Mills Co. Ltd. 62. U. P. State Spg. Mills Ltd., 25.3.87 50168 3074 Barabanki 63. Sant Kabir Sahakari Mills Ltd., 12.5.87 25080 NA Maghar 64. Swadeshi Cotton Mills co. Ltd., 15.5.87 64620 3163 Naini West Bengal Spinning Mills 65. Sri Hanuman Cotton Mills 2.7.84 21764 1245 · Fuleshwar, Howrach West Bengal Composite Mills 66. Kesoram Industries', Cotton Mills, Ud.,15.2.87 76424 1937 826 Calcutta. 117 WtftIen An..,.,. SRAVANA 9.1909 (SAKA) Wtilten Answers 118 Pak eaplon... Ganga Unearthed In Netherlands? Jammu THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 929. SHAt BALASAHEB VIKHE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. PAlll: .. DAS MUNSI) : (a) and (b). Possibilitie$ of SHRI KRISHNA SINGH: buy-back arrangements between Indian and . Dutch enterprises were broadly discussed at Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be the Indo-Netherlands Joint Business Coun- pleased to state: cil meeting held last month in the Hague. No. specific arrangements were finalised. Some (a) whether it is a fad that intelligence of the areas for such an arrangement sug- agencies and BSF personnel had un- gested by the Indian ,side included alcohols, earthed on 28 Jun. 1987 in Jummu two phenol, synthetic organic dye stuffs, turbo more Pakistani espionage rings operating pumps for liquids, telecommunications for the past severaJ years as reported in the equipment & accessories disinfectants, in- Statesman dated 29th June 1987; and secticides. fungicides and weedicides, etc. (b) it so, the facts thereof? (c) and (d). Selection of technologies is primarily left to the Indian entarpreneurs THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE who, after emploring the alternative source MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC of technology and techno-economic analy- GRIEVANCES ANI) PENS~ONS AND MIN- sis, seled wha.t suits them best,whereafter ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF they seek approval from Government. Soma HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA- of the areas considered for bilateral indus- RAM): (a) and (b). Government have,-seen trial collaboration at the Indo-Netherlands the news item in the Statesman dated 29. 6. Joint Business Council meeting last month 1987. The facts are being ascArtained from inclUded nylon lyre cord, metallic and semi- the Govt. of Jammu and Kashmir. metallic and cut gaskets. liquid nitrogen pla"ts, steel dock tugs, ultra-sound diag- Buy-Back Arrangements with onistic display instruments, conical mixing Netherlands vessels, industrial oolling systems, electro- lytic capacitors, etc. 931. SHRI VLJAV N. PATIL: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to [ Translation] state: Development of Telegrap Garden (a) whether Indian enterprises pro- In Garhchlraull In Mahar.shlra a. a pose to enter into buy-back arrangements Tourist Centre witn their oounterparts in the Netherlands; · 932. SHRI VILAS MUTIEMWAR: Wilt (b) if so, the specific items that are the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to proposed to be manufadured in India under state: such arrangements; (a) whether he is aware that Telegraph (c) whether Govemment propose to Garden/Park in Garhchirauli distrid of Ua- examine the scope of Indo-Netherlands hara-shtra is full of vega-tation and natural collaboration in specific fields where techno- beauty; logical transfer is of immediate interest to India; and (b) whether Govemment propose to develop this place as a tourist spot; (d) if so, the specific field chosen by Government for technological transfer from (c) whether Government have recei- 119 wnn.n Answers JULY 31, 1987 vad soma representations in this regard; and products; and (d) if" 90, the steps being taken in the (e) whether Govemment are aware matter? that the mufti-potnt tax has affected the cOir industry? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF ntE MINISTRY OF CIVil AVIATION AND MIN- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN..-HE MIN- ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER): (a) KUMAR) : (a> According to Coir Board, the and (b). The Ministry of Tourism, in consul- exports of coir and coir products during tation with Government of Maha-rashtra, 1985-86 amounted to 24672 tonnes. have tdantified 17 tourist centres in that State for development of tourism infrastruc- (b) Cash Compensatory support and ture in a phased manner. The Telegraph Import Replenishment are available on GardanlPark in Garhchirauli District does exports of certain coir products. Duty Draw- not figure In this list. schemes for develop- back for various inputs that go into the ment are taken up on the basis of proposals manufacture of certain coir export products received from the State Government subject is also allowed. Besides, the Coir Board .has to merits of the proposal, availability offunds been undertaking a number of steps for and inter-sa priorities. No proposal for de- promoting coir exports which inter-alia in- velopment of this place has been received clude sending trade delegation, conducting from the St~e Govemment sb far. market studies and market research. re- leasing advertisements in foreign trade (c) and (d). The State Government has magazines, distribution of publicity material received representations about develop- and participation in fairs in major markets. ment of Telegraph GardenlPark. The State Government has indicated that as a policy (c) Coir Board has carried out studies no new sites would be taken up for develop- in areas of fibre extraction, spinning of yarn ment without first developing the centres and manufacture of coir products with a view already identified. to reducing physical strain to workers and to improve productivity and quality. [Eng/ish] (d) and (a). Some State Governments levey sales tax on coir products. There h,ve Export of Colr been representations that the incidence of this sales tax adds to the selling price of coir 933. SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: Will products there by affecting marketabifity to the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to some extent. state: Women IPS Officer. (a) the quantity of coir exported in 1985-86; 934. DR. PHULRENU GUHA : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to (b) whether any incentives have been state: the present number of women IPS given to coir exporters; Officers in the country State-wiselUnion territory wise? (c) whether any study has been under .. taken to help the workers to reduce the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE manual work in the process of coir manufac- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI turing; CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHIt : The informa- tion is being collected and will be laid on the (d) whether there is any tax on coir Table of the House. 121 Written Answers SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 122 Development of Munnar and (c) whether any person has been se- Theckkedy as Tourist Centre. lected from small farmers interested in shrimp fishing; and 935. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Will the Min- ister of TOURISM be pleased to state: (d) if not, the guidelines for inclusion of members in the delegation? (a) whether Government are aware that Munnar and Theckkedy in Idduki district THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are important places of tourists attraction; MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRr P.R. DAS MUNSI) : (a) and (b). Marine Products (b) whether there is any proposal for Export Development Authority has spon- the development of these places as tourist sored a four member delegation to Australia, centres; and South Korea and Thailand for exploring possibilities of joint ventures in deep sea (c) if so, the details thereof? fishing. The delegation includes Chairman, MPEDA , Shri N.S. H. Prasad, Vice Chair- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE man, MPEDA, President, Association of MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- India Fishery Industries and Managing Di- ISTER OF STATE ~INISTRY OF TOUR- redor of Sriinivasa seafoods Ltd., Vizag - ISM (SHAI JAGDISH TYTLER): The Cen- Member, shri V. Vasant Kumar, Executive tral Ministry of Tourism, in consultation with Director, Star Marine Products Pvt. Ud .• the Government of Kerala, has identified Vizag, Member, and Corporation Ltd., Munnar and Theckkedy for integrated devel- Veraval - Member. opment of tourism infrastrudure with the co'mbined resources of the Centre, the State (c) and (d). the delegation has been and the private sector. sponsored to explore possibilities of joing ventures in deep sea fishing between Indian (b) and (c). The Ministry of Tourism pro- deep sea fishing companies and prospec- vides financial assistance to States on the tive counterparts in visiting countries. In basis of proposals received from State deep sea fishing the emphasis would be on Governments. The Ministry of tourism has exploiting fish species other than shrimps. sandioned two outboard engine Boats for Theckkedy at an estimated cost of Rs. 1.74 [ Trans/ation] lakhs. The Ministry has not received any proposal in respect of Munnar. Threatening Letter 10 PunJabl Un'verslty Teacher. Sending of a Delegation Abroad by MPEDA 937. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI:- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 936. SHRI D.P. JADEJA: state: CH. RAM PRAKASH: (a) the number of teachers of Punjabi Win the Minister of COMMERCE be pJeased University, Patiala who received threatening to state: letters during the last one year from terror- ists; and (a) whether the Marine Products Ex- port Development Authority is shortly send- (b) the action taken to ensure safety of, ing a delegation abroad to explore the pos- these teachers ? sibilities of joint ventures for acquisition of vessels; lHE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBliC (b) the likely composition of such de!e- GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- gation; 123 Written Answers JULY 31, 1987 ~en Answers 124 ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF (d) and (e). the headquarters of the HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA- Board will be at Jodhpur in Rajasthan. RAM): (a) and (b). Information !s being collected and will be laid on the Table of the [EngOsh] House. Itams In Handloom Sector Wool Development Board at Cantral Level 939. SHRI K. ~AMACHANDRA REDDY; Will the Minister of TEXTILES be 938. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN : pleased to state: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: (a) whether any demands have been made by the Handloom InGJstry to the (a) whether Union Government have Handloom Reservatior Protection Commit- decided to set up a Wool Development tee with regard to exclusive reservatioil of Board at Central Level; items like sarees, bed sheets, lunge88 and handkerchief in order to preserve the real (b) if so, the progress made so far in beauty and style of anciAnt handloom indus- this matter; try; and (c) the functions and jurisdiction of this (b) if so, the reaction of Government;. board and the capital proposed to be in- thereon? vested therein; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE M:N- (d) whether Jodhpur is being consid- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA ered as the most suitable place for locating KUMAR): (a) Yes, Sir. Representations the office of this board; and have been received from ~ome hand loom organisations for enlarging the scope of the (8) if so, the steps taken so far in this Reservation Orders. direction? (b) The Advisory committee set up THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- under the Handloom (Reservation of Articles ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA for Production) Act, 1985 considerad the KUMAR): (a) Yes, Sir. representations from handloom interests at its meeting held on 9th June, 1987. The (b) The Wool Dev'eiopment Board was Committee was of the view that any modifi .. constituted on 7th July, 1987. cations on the reservation Orders could await the judgement of the Supreme Court in (c) Its functions inter alia comprise:- the appeals pending against the Reserva- tion Orders and the results of the census of (i) Market intelligence; handlooms Government is yet to take a (ii) Monitoring and evaluation; decision on. the recommendations of the (iii) Price Stabilisation; Advisory Committee. (iv) Advice to the Government on policy matters; Acquisition of Ammunition from (v) Quality Control and Austria Regulations; (vi) Coordination. 940. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be Initially, provision of Rs. 5 lakhs in the pleased to state: Plan budget for 1987-88 has been made to meet its expenditure. (a) whether Government have ac- 125 Written AnsW9ts SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answ91S 126 quired huge quantity of 81 mm ammunition THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE from Austria recently; DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY (b) if so. the quanti!): and cost thereof; OF DEFENCE (SHAI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) No, Sir. (c) whether there exists indigenous capacl~Y for the manufacture of 81 mm (b) There has been only one case of ammunition; and violation of our air space in Rajasthan sector. (d) if so, the reasons for importing the (c) Adequate measures have been same. taken to safeguard our airspace. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PROD- Closure of Textiles Mill. In Bombay UCTION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINIS- TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) to (d). Although indigenous 943. SHRIVIJOYKUMAR YADAV:WiII capacity for production of 81 mm illuminating the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to ammunition had been established, only state: trickle production started in 1985 because this was still a development item. On the (a) whether it is a fact that the number other hand. there was a large deficiency and of closed textile mills in Bombay has in- stock level was criticially low. creased recently; Consequent"y: after holding trial evalu- (b) if so, what was the number of mills ation of technical and commercial negotia- closed at the ned of December, 1986 and as tions with a number of firms, a contract was on 1 July, 1987; and concluded with MIs Hirtenberger of Austria on 14th March 1986 on the basis of lowest (c) what is Government's proposal to acceptable offer. save the interest of workers in those mills? Violation of Indian Air Space by Pak Air force THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA 941. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: KUMAR): (a) and (b). The number of cotton SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: textile mills closed on 31 st December, 1986 and 30th June, 1987 was 3 and 5 respec- Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to tively. state: (c) Government have set up a Nodal (a) whether there have been frequent Agency to ascertain whether sick mills are violations of Indian air space by Pakistan Air potentially viable or not. The Nodal Agency Force aircraft during the last three months; will evolve and manage rehabilitation pack- ages in respect of mills found by it to be (b) if so, the number of such viola1ions potentially viable. Mills found to be non- in Jammu and Kashmir, Punjab, Rajasthan viable may have to close down permanently. and Gujarat sectors; and Workers of those mills which close down permanently on or after 6th June, 1985 will (c) the precautionary measures be entitled to financial relief underthe Textile adopted by Union Government in this re- Workers' Rehabilitation Fund Scheme. sped? 127 Written AnswelS JULY31.1987 Written AnswelS 128 Invastlgatlon In Criminal Ca.a. pointing out the provisions of the Criminal Procedure Coda which ted to unsatis-factory 944. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the Min- investigation has been received by the ister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to Government. state: Import of Fertilizer. by MMTC (a) whether the attention of Govern- ment has been drawn to courts observations 945. DR. T. KALPANA OEVI: in a numb9r of criminal cases regarding SHRI T. BALA GOUD : unsatisfactory investiga-tions which resualt in discharge or acquittal even in case of Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased heinous crimes; to state: (b) whether some rules or guidelines (a) the quantity of Urea, DAP r Sulphur have bee~ laid down for conducting investi- rockphosphate and other types of fertilizers gations by the officers according to the na- imported in 1985-86 and 1986-87 by the ture and gravity of the crime; Minerals and Metals Trading Corporation (MMTC) and tfie value thereof; (c) if not, whether Govemment pro- pose to set up some criteria according to (b) the apprvximate quantity of these which investigations of serious crimes be fertilizers to be imparted in 1987 from Jor- conducted by police officers of appropriate dan, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E ., Morocco and ranks according to the nature of crimes Senegal and the value thereof; committed; and (c) the quantity and type of fertilizers (d) whether some suggestions have purchased from the joint venture in Senegal been received from legal experts in this in 1985-86. 1986-87 anp to be purchased in regard and if so. the details thereof? 1987-88; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) the arrangements made for pur- DEPARTMENT OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI chasing fertilizers from such joint venture CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI) : (a) Yes. sir. abroad and whether Government have approved such arrangement for purchasing (b) and (c). As police is a State Subject. fertilizers? it is the responsibility of the State govern- ments/Union territory administrations to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE prescribe rules and regulations regarding MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. investigation of different crimes and to im- DAS MUNSI): (a) Details of Urea. plement provisions of the Criminal Proce- DAP MOP, Sulpher rockphosphate and dure Code. The guidelines are laid down in other types of fertilizers imported in 1985-86 the Police Manuals of all the States. special and 1986-87 by MMTC are given in the instructions are also issued by the Police statement below. Headquarters of States depending on the type of and gravity of crime situation in a (b) The quantum and sources of fertil .. particular area. In some cases of heinous izers imports is decided taking into account crime the investigation is entrusted to Crime the gap between domestic demand and Branch or Criminal Investigation Depart- production, availability in world market and ment of the State. special Investigation Cells other commercial considerations. are also sst-up for investigation of special cases. (c) and (d). No fertilizer have been pur- chased in 1985-86"& 1986-87 or are to be (d) No suggestion from legal experts purchased from joint venture in Senegal. 129 Written Answers SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 130 STATEMENT FERTILISERS AND FERTiliZER RAW MATERIALS IMPORTED IN 1985-86 AND 1986-87 Value As. Crores Qty. Lal 1985 - 86 1986 - 87 Qty. Value Oty. Value Urea 28.29 514.11 21.66 268.31 DAP 17.50 364.36 6.07 137.94 MOP 14.90 151.11 14.69 131.59 Sulphur 10.86 198.57 11.36 184.63 Rock phosphate 17.61 74.44 19.87 91.57 Others 0.08 0.16 3.~ 89.16 1302.67 73.81 817.37 Minimum Price Fixation for Carda- Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: mom with Guatemala (a) whether the Cotton Corporation of 946. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU:Willthe India has incurred loss in sa1e of cotton to Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to foreign buyers from USA, Hong Kong, Swit- state. zerland and England; (a) whether Government propose to (b) if so, the quantum of such loss and enter into an agreement with Guatemala the reasons therefor; with a view to fix minimum price for carda- mom; and (c) the outcome of enquiry, if held any, into these transactions and the action taken (b) Hso, the details thereof? or proposed against those found guilty; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) what steps have been taken or are MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. proposed to be taken to ensure that the DAS MUNSI): (a) Not yet Sir. Corporation and the country are not put to such losses in future? (b) Does not arise. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- Losses Incurred by Cotton Corpora- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA tion of India KUMAR) : (a) to (d). Under the long term export policy in respect of cotton the Cotton 947. SHRI Y.S MAHAJAN: Will the Corporation of India was allotted 1,82,357 131 Written Answers JULY 31, 1987 Written Answers 132 bales of long and extra long staple cotton (b) measures taken by Government and 10,000 b~les of Bengal Dashi for ex- for promotion of powerlooms; and ports during the year 1986-87. The Corpora- tion has made an overall profit in the exports (c) if no measure was taken, the rea- made against this allotment. However, on sons therefor? the basis of some complaints alleging lower value realisations in certain tr~nsactions the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- Govemment ordered a comprehensive ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA enquiry into these allegations by the Central KUMAR): (8) to (c). A statement is given Bureau of Investigation. Necessary action below. has ~Iready been initiated by the Govern- ment to ensure that comprehensive guide- STATEMENT lines are laid down in respect of exports transactions in order that such complaints (a) The production of cloth by power- do not arise in future. looms in the decentralised sector during 1985-86 was 5886 million metres. Import of Rubber (b) Registration of poweriooms has 948. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Minister been decentralised. Installation of new of COMMERCE be pleased to state: powerlooms is permitted subject to loca- tional conditions. Full fibre ~Iexibility has (a) whether Government have fixed been allowed for cotton and art silk looms. the quantum of import of tubber during NABARD provides refinance for both term 1987; loans and working capital to powerloom cooperative societies. lOBI also provides (b) if so, the details thereof; and refinance. Government have constituted a Task Force to study the present flow of cred:t (c) the basis adopted by Government and to suggest measures to augment the for import? flwo of credit both for working capital and term loans for modernisation. The State THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Governments have been requested to en- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. courage promotion of powerloom coopera- DAS MUNSI): (a) to (c). The Rubber Board, tives so as to facilitate the provision of credit afte" consulting growprs and users, as- and marketing facilities. Ascheme for estab- sessed in February, 1987 the quantum of lishment of powerloom service centres is Natural Rubber required to be imported in under implementation to provide technical 1987-88 at 35000tonnes. This assessment assistance to powerlooms and help in their was based on expected production and technologicpl upgradation and product im- anticipated consumption. Government provement. ha':e, so far, authorised STC to import 35,000 tonnes of rubber in the year 1987-88. (c) D08s not arise. [ Trans/ation] [Eng/ish] Cloth Production on Powerlooms Implementation of Punjab Accord 949. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RAWAT: 950. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: Will Wililhe Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased state: to state at what stage does the implementa- tion of Punjab accord rest in the context of (a) the extent of cloth production on Haryana Government's unambiguous rejec- powerlooms in Sq. metres dl:ring 1985-86; tion of the Punjab accord? 139 Written AnswelS SRAVANA9, 1909 (SAKA) Written AnSW8f 134 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE views in the matter. MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL. PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- The Government has made sincere ef· ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF forts to implement the Punjab Accord anc. HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA- further efforts in this direction are continuing. RAM): The Government has not received any communication from the Govemment of Setting up of a Propellant Factory In Haryana regarding rejection of the Punjab Andhra Pradesh Accord. Out of 11 items in the Memorandum of Settlement, 8 items (compensation to 951. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: WiD the innocent persons killed (item:1) ; Army re- Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: cruitment (item:2), Inquiry into November incidents (item:3); Rehabilitation of those (e) whether Government propose to discharged from Army (item:4); Disposal of set up a new propellant factory at Warrangal pending cases (item:6); Centre-State Rela- in Andhra Pradesh; tions (item:8); Representation of Minorities (item:10); and Promotion of Punjab lan- (b) if so, the de\ails and time schedule guage (item:11) have already been imple- thereof and when it is proposed to start; and mented. Action has been initiated to imple- ment the remaining 3 items (All India Gu- (c) the employment potential thereof rudwara Act (item:S); Territorial Claims and percentage of local persons? (item:7) and sharing of river waters (item:9), as well. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- Territorial Claims (item:7): On the basis TION AND SUPPL!ES IN THE MINISTRY of the Venkataramiah Commission's report OF DEFENCE (SHRt SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): submitted on 10.6.1986, tHe question of (a) No decision has yet been taken on the specifying the villages comprising about location of the new propellant factory. for 70,000 acres to be transferred from Punjab selecting a suitable site, some of the State to Haryana in lieu of Chandigarh, has on Governments including the Government of 20.6.86, been referred to Hon'ble Justice Andhra Pradesh were requested to offer D.A. Desai, retired Judge, Supreme Court of suitable siLes. Warrangal is one of th9 sites India and Chairman of the Law Commission offered by Government of Andhra Pradesh. of India. Sites offered by State ~overnments are being evaluated in accordance with the Sharing of river Waters (iter.7:9): A 3· prescribed procedure. Member Tribunal comprising Shri Justice V. Balakrishna Eradi, Judge of the Supreme (b) and (c). It is not possible to indicate Court as Chairman and Shri Justice A.M. any time schedule for setting up of the fac- Ahmad, Judge of the Gujarat High Court and tory and its employment potertial. at this Shri Justice P.C. Balakrishna Menon, Judge stage. of the Kerala High Court as two members of Tribunal, was constituted on 2nd April, Reported Detention of Ind lans In 1986. The Tribunal submitted its Report on U.K. Airport 30th January, 1987 and the same was for- warded bv the Ministry of Water Resources 952. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Will the to the concerned State Governments on Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 20th May, 1987. pleased to state: All India Gurudwara Act (item:5) The (a) how many Indian immigrants were Chief Ministers of all States and Union Ter- detained so far in UK Airports since the ritories have been requested to convey their imposition of visa restridions on visitors 135 Written Answers JULY 31,1987 Written Answers 136 from India; state: (b) the number of detainee who were (a) the number of tourist centres set up kept in police cells; and in Madhya Pradesh during 1985-86 and locations thereof; (c) whether any fine has been im- posed on Air India for taking the visitors (b) the total expenditure incurred on without valid visas? them; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether Government propose to MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHAI set up a tourist centre in Chambal Division K. NATWAR SINGH): (a) to (c).The informa- and by what time? tion is being ccnected and will be placed on the Table of the House at the earliest pos- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE sible. MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF [ Tra'1slation] TOURISM (SHAI JAGDISH TYTLER) : (a) and (b). During 1985-86, the Central Ministry Tourist Centres in Madhya Pradesh of Tourism provided financial assistance to the Government of Madhya Pradest\ for 953. SHRI KAMMODILAL JATAV: Will development of the following tourist the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to centres:- STATEMENT (Rs. in lakhs) Name of Scheme Amount Expenditure sanctioned insured 1. Cafeteria at Sanchi. 8.32 2.00 2. Wayside amenities at Keskal. 4.90 2.00 3. Wayside facilities with accommodation 13.71 2.00 at Oeori. 4. Tourist Complex at Jagdalpur. 31.86 5.00 5. Chandela Cultural Centre, Khajuraho. 22.00 5.00 6. SEL Show at Man Mandir in Gwalior. 28.83 25.00 (c) The Central Ministry of Tourism the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to has sanctioned Rs. 13. 711akhs for setting up state: wayside facilities with accommodation at Deori in Chambal Division. (a) whether Government are aware that all the Central trade unions in jute {English~ industry have decided to observe strike on July 23, 1987 to press ior the immediate Reopening of closed and Locked reopening of closed and locked out mills and out Jute Mills to Avert Strike their nationalisation by the Centre; and 954. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Will (b) if so, the steps taken by the Union 137 Written Answers SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 138 Government to avert the strike? 1985-86, Swatantrata Sainik Sam man Pen- sion had been sanctioned in 70 such cases THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- from Kerala. ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) During the years 1984-85 and 1985-86 pension had been sanctioned! (b) Under the Industrial Disputes Act, transferred in favour of 372 widows of free- the State Government is the appropriate dom fightersJfreedom fighter pens-ioners authority for dealing with matters pertaining from Kerala State. I to industrial disputes and as such it is for themtotakeappropriateaetion inthe matter. Setting up of Free Trade Zone at Vlaakhapatnam and In Andaman In safar as the question of nationalisation of jute mills is concerned, it may not resolve 956. SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA the problems of jute industry. Instead Gov- MURTY: Wilt the Minister of COMMERCE ernment have been taking various meas- be pleased to state: uresfromtimetotime to deal with each of the various aspects of the problems in the jute (a) whether Government have taken a industry. decision to set up a free trade zone in Visakhapatnam; Pension for Freedom Fig hters from Kerala (b) whether Government of Andhra Pradesh have made available the required 955. SHRII. RAMA RAI: Will the Minis- extent of suitable land; ter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) whether the proposal for creating a (a) the number of freedom fighters Free Trade Zone in Andaman is under who had applied for pension under Freedom consideration of the Union Government; ana Fighters Pension Scheme during 1984-85 and 1985-86 from Kerala; (d) the Free Zones working in the country? (b) the number of sanctioned cases and rejected cases; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the number of widows of freedom MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. fighters to whom pension was granted? DAS MUNSI): (a) Government have agreed, in principle, to the location of a possible THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE additional Export Processing Zone at MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Visakhapatnam. CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): (a) and (b). The last date fixed for receipt of applications (b) No, Sir. from freedom fighters under the Swatan- trata Sainik Samman Pension Scheme, (c) Suggestions forthe establish-ment 1980 was 31.3.1982. Applications received of a free port in the Andamans have been after that date are considered as delayed received. The varuious aspects require to be and their details are not maintained. Delay studied. in submission of applications is condoned only if the application is accompanied by (d) The Export Processing Zones that adequate documentary evidence from offi- have been set up in the country are:- cial records about the claimed suffering together with credible reasons of delay in 1) Kandla Free Trade Zone, Gandhi- applying. During the years 1984-85 and dham, Gujarat. 139 Written Answers JULY31, 1987 Written Answers 140 2. Santacruz Electronics Export Proc- (d) the assessment, if any, of the essing Zone, Bombay. Maharashtra. Government on the matter of foreign ex- change earnings? 3. Faha Export Processing Zone, Falta (Calcutta), West Bengal. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN· 4. Madras Export Processing Zone, ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF Madras, Tamil Nadu. TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TVTLER) : {a) The estimates of foreign exchange earnings 5. Cochin Export Processing Zone, from tourism during the last 3 years are as Cochln , Kerala. given bAlow: 6. Noida Export Processing Zone, Rs. crores Noida, Uttar Pradesh. 1984-85 1300 Shortage of Viscose Staple Flbr. 1985.. S6 1460 (P) 957. SHRI ftA.M BHAGAT PASWAN: WiD the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to . 1988-87 1780 (P) state: (P) : Provisional (a) whether Union Government have taken steps to reduce the shortage of Vis- (b) and (c). StatelUnion Te~ritory-wise cose Staple Fibre in order to facilitate small estimates of foreign exchange earnings units to reopen closed units trereof; and frorT" tourism are not available. (b) if not, the reasons thereof? (d) The foreign exchange earnings from tourism during 1987-88 are estimated THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- to be about Rs. 1970 ereres. ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR): (a) and (b). The availability of Assistance for Development of Viscose Staple Fibre through indigenous International Tourism In Karala production is supplemented by imports under OGL. the Government has issued 959. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA- letters intent for fresh capacity and Is keep- MAN: Will the Minister of TOURISM be ing a constant watch. pleased to state: (a) the extent of assistance given by Foreign Exchange Earnings from Union Government for promotion of trourism Tourism in Kerala under the scheme for Assistance for Development of International Tourism 958. SHR~SHANTARAM NAIK: Will the during the last three years, year-wise; and Minister of TOURISM be pleased to state: (b) the details of utilisation of the assis- (a) total foreign exchange of the coun- tance for tourism promotion in the State? try earned by tourism during lastthre9 years; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) whether Government are having MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN .. figures of States and Union Territories-wise; ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM (SHAI JAGDISH TYTLER): (a) (c) if so, States and Union Territories- and (b). Assistance under various schemes wise figures; and is given to the State Governments on the 141 Written AnswelS SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 142 /" basis of proposals received from the con- tional Tourism-. The details of other cemed State, availability of funds and inter- schemes takan up and funds released in se priorities. No funds have been released to connection with tourism promotion in Kerata Government of Kerala under the scheme of duriag the past three years, year-wise, is "Assistance for Development of Interna-· given below:- STATEMENT (Rs. in lakhs) s. No. Name of Scheme Amount Amount sanctioned released 1 2 3 4 1984-85 Nil 1985-86 1. Construction of wayside amenities 10.28 4.00 at Palghat. 2. Construction of wayside amenities 10.28 4.00 with accomodation at Cannanore. 3. Wayside facilities at Kottarakara .. 10.28 4.00 4. Wayside facilites at Alleppey. 10.28 4.00 5. Wayside amenities with accommodation 10.28 4.00 at Wynad. 6. Provision of boats for Cochin. Kumarakom. 50.78 25.00 Quilor. and Thekkady. 7. Promotion of Fairs & Festivals. 2.81 2.56 104.99 47.56 1986-87 1. Forest Lodge at Parambikulam. 12.42 6.00 2. Yatri Niwas at Quilon. 35.35 8.00 3. Yatri Niwas at Trivandrum. 26.43 8.00 4. Trekking Equipment to Kerala. 3.24 2.92 5. Water sports equipment for Kerata. 17.31 15.00 6. Assistance for fairs and festivals. 0.25 143 Written AnsW91S JULY 31,1987 Written AnswelS 144 1 2 3 4 7. Wayside facilities at Kottarakara 5.00 8. Wayside facilities at Alleppey 5.00 9. Wayside facilities at Cannanore. 5.00 10. Beach Resort at Kappad. 55.00 8.00 149.75 63.17 Impact of Jut. Packing on Plastic sian is to achieve a balanced growth both for Industry jute and synthetic packaging sectors within the country. The areas and percentage lev- 960. SHAI SATYENDRA NARAYAN els not covered by jute are available for SINHA: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be synthetic packaging sector. pleased to state: Import and Export Policy (a) whether plastic woven sack indus- try will have considerable idle capacity fol ... 961. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI: Will the lo\ving mandatory use of jute packing for Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to certain commodities; state: (b) if so, whether the industry will be (a) whether it is proposed to evolve facing industrial sickness and lay-ofts; and and adopt new system of five year import and export policy announcement in conso- (c~ the steps Government propose to nance with our Five Year Plan system; and take to help this industry? (b) if not. the reasons therefor? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHAt S. KRISHNA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE KUMAR): (a) to (c). As jute industry has MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. been passing through severge crisis in ra .. DAS MUNSI): (a) and (b). Suggestions have cent years mainly on account of stiff compe- been received to make import and export tition from synthetic substitutes, it has been policy co-terminus with Five Year Plans. The considered necess8iY to enact a legislation next import and export policy is underformu- on jute packaging to safeguard the interest lation, and no details can be given this stage. of jute sactor on which the livelihood of about 4 million jute farmers and about 2.5 lakh industrial workers is dependent. While the Implementation of Mizo Accord interests of jute sector are sought to be safeguarded, the Government is also 962. SHRI SHARAD DIGHE: Will the equally concerned wnh the problems of the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to synthetic sacks manufacturing sedor and state: that is why constitution of a Standing Advi- sory Committee has been provided in the Act (a) the latest position about the im- itself which would take into account a num- plementation of Mizo Accord; and ber of factors before recommending to the Govern .. ment percentage levels of packag .. (b) the terms which are yetto be impls· ing in jute. The objective behind this provi- mented and the reasons thereot? 145 Written Answers SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Written Answers 146 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE relief for a further period of five years w.e.f. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 1.4.1988. The extension has been sought CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI) : (a) and (b). In as the Mills have suggered heavy losses in so far as Central Government is concerned, spite of interest holiday and are not in a action as required to implement the provi- position to bear this burden for want of ca- sions of the Memorandum of Settlement on pacity to repay. Mizoram has already been taken . MNF personnel came overground and deposited arms and ammunition according to a time- Losses In Defence Stores bound. programme thus restoring normalcy in Mizoram. Steps for the resettlement and 964. SHRI NAR~ING SURYAWANSHI: rehabilitation of MNF personnel have been Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to taken. Legislative measures envisaged in state: para 4 of !~e Memorandum have already been taken by the Central Government. (a) whether the losses, written off due Elections were held to the 40-member State to theft, fraud or gross negled in stores in the Legislative Assembly and the elected Defence Sector have been progressively, Government has assumed office. The State increasiang over the past few years and of Mizoram has come into being with effect have crossed Rs. 10 crores during 1985-86 from 20th February, 1987. as per report of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India; and Grant of Interest Holiday to NTC (b) if so, the steps taken by Govern- 963. SHRI YASHWANTRAO GADAKH ment to avoid such losses? PATIL: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- (a) whether Government are consi- TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY dering a proposal for grant of interest holiday OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : to the National Textile Corporation for a (a) and (b). Yes Sir. Though there has been further period of five years; and af! increase in the amount of store losses written off due to theft, fraud ar gross ne- (b) if so, the details thereof and the glect, during the last three years, this has reasons therefor? been mainly due to increase in losses of Aviation Stores. Hthe amount of losses on THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- account of Aviation Stores ar:e excluded, ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA ~he amount of store losses due to theft, fraud KUMAR) : (a) and (b). National Textile \j()r- of gross negled does not show any increase poration had submitted a proposal to the during 1985-86 but has gone down com- Government which inter alia, seeks interest pared to 84-85 as shown below:- STATEMENT Total amount of store Losses due to Other.items losses due to theft, aviation stores of losses fraud or gross neglect 1983-84 5,12,75 4,64,05 48,70 1984-85 7,17,70 6,09,66 1,08,04 1985-86 10,19,24 9,78,95 40,29 147 WrittenAnsW81S JULY 31,1987 Written Answers 148 The main reasons for jncrease of losses on (b) if so, what steps have been taken in Air Force side are the magnitude of this regard; and operations, ageing of aircraft, escalation in the prices of aircraft/spares atc. (c) the specific plans of Union Govern- ment for the Seventh Five Vear Pian? As regards remedial measures, Air Force authorities have arranged "on the job" training, one day training in a week, briefing THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE of the crew on natural hazards, posting of MINISTRV OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- experienced supervisors and enforcement ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRVOF of correct technical practice by Air Force TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TVTLER): (a) personnel. Instructions have also baan is- to (c). The Central Ministry of tourism, in sued to keep close vigilance and carry out consultation with the Government of Karna- rigorous dual checks on the professionalism taka, has identified the following centres in of inexperie-nced pilots. Disciplinary/ad- Karnataka for integrated develop-ment of ministrative action against the concerned tourism infrastructure with the combined Service/Civilian parse-nnel have also been resources of the Centre, the State and the taken. private sector:- Development of Tourist Centres In 8elgaum, Bijapur, Badami, Pattadkal, Karnataka Amole, Hospet, Hampi, Bangaiore, Mysore, Bandipur, Nagarhole, Hassan, 965. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA NARA- 8elur. Halebid, Sravana-belagola, Mer- SIMHARAJA WADIYAR:Wiltthe Ministerof cara. Mangatore, and West, Coast TOURISM be pleased to state: beaches. (a) whether his Ministry has taken During the 7th Plan, the Ministry of Tour- keen interest in developing tourist centres in ism has sanctioned the following schemes in Karnataka; Karnataka: STATEMENT (Rs. in lakhs) Name of Scheme Amount sanctioned 1 2 3 1. Boats for Ulsoor Lake 1.23 2. Wayside amenities at Thalkadu 1.37 3. Wayside amenities at Jogfalls 4.25 4. Restaurant and toilet block at Shringery 6.00 5. Floodlighting of Srikanteswara Temple, Nanjangud. 3.09 6. Hoysala Cultural Centre, Halebid 33.00 7. Toilets and drinking water facilities at A;hole, Badami, 7.50 Pattadakal, Hampi and Bijapur. 149 Written Answets SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 150 1 2 3 8. Wayside amenities at Mulbagal 14.00 9. Wayside amenities at Belgaum 17.51 Development of Powerlooms and authorised powerlooms. The main areas of Sector for Raising Productivity powerlooms are Bhiwandi, Malegaon, Ichal- karanji, Chule, Sholapur, Bombay and 966. SHRIMATI USHA CHOUDHARI: Thane in Maharashtra; Ahmedabad and Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to Surat in Gujarat; Kishangarh in Rajasthan; state: Amritsar in Punjab; Meerut, Tanda and Maunath Bhanjan in U. P. ; Gaya.Bhagalpur (a) what steps Government propose in Bihar; Calcutta in West Bengal; Belgaum, to adop for development of powerlooms and Bangalore and Ooddaballapur in Kamataka promote domestic and export marketing; and Erode, Madras, Madurai. Komarapal- layam, Rajapallayam. Salem and Virudha- (b) the estimated number of power· nagar in Tamil Nadu. looms and the main areas of powerloom manufacturing fabrics; and (c) A scheme for establishment of Powerloom Service Centres is under im- (c) what are the schemes for raising plementation to provide technical assis- productivity and efficiency an~ workers wei· tance to powerlooms and help in their tech- fare in the powerloom sedor'? nological upgradation and produd improve- ment. In order to improve the working condi- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN· tions of the workers employed in the hand- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRr S. KRISHNA loom and powerloom sectors of the unor- KUMAR): (a) Registration of powerlooms ganised sector, the Government have set up has been decentralised. Installation of new a Tripartite Study Group. The State Govern- powerlooms is perm itted subject to loca- ments have been requested to take steps for tional conditions. Full fibre flexibility has the we Hare of workers employed in the been allowed for cotton and art silk looms. powerloom sector. NABARD provides refinance for both term loans and working capital to powerloom cooperative societies. lOBI also provides Study of conditions of Handloom refinance. Government have oonstituted a Weavers' Workers In Rajasthan '1 ask Forc~ to study the present flow of credit and to suggest measures to augment the 967. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: Will flow of credit both for working capital and the Minister of TEXTILE~ be pleased to term loans for modernisation. The State state: Governments h:Jv8 been requested to en- courage promotion of powerJoom coopera- (a) whether Union Govemmsnt have tives so as to facilitate the provision of credit se! up a committee to study the poor condi- and marketing facilit;tts. Incentives for ex- tions of handloom weavers/workers in Ra- port of cloth are also available for powerloom jasthan; fabrics. (b) if so, the details thereof; (b) As on 31.3.1986, there were 6.38 lakh powerlooms in the country. It is esti- (c) whether Government have re- mated that this figure will increase substan- ceived some memoranda from these work- tially due to grant of registration to un- ers giving details of their grievances; 151 Written AnSW91S JULY 31, 1987 Written Answ91S 152 (d) the steps being taken by Govern- Steel Export Through MMTC ment keeping in view the old craftsmanship of weavers in Rajasthan, which is famous in the Wrold; and 969. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be ~Ieased to (e) the details of financial assistance state: that Government propose to give to Rajast- han Govemment for this purpose? (a) whether consensus has emerged out at the fourth meeting of Central Liaision Committee of Steel consumers held at THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- Bangalore with respect to continuance of ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA export canalisation of steel through the KUMAR): (a) No, Sir. Minerals & Metals Trading Corporation (MMTC); (b) Does not arise. (b) whether the Committee also sug- (c) and (d). Yes, Sir, the Union Govt. has gested MMTC to expeditiously complete the received some memoranda from associa- process of computerisation of its steel im- tions of handloom weavers regarding their porting operation to bring further improve- grievances. These memoranda have been ment in consumer ser-vices, and forwarded to the State Government for nec- essary action. (c) if so, the steps taken by MMTC in that direction? (e) The Central Govt. has several schemes like Share Capital assistance to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE primary societies, apex societies and State MINISTRY OF ~OMMERCE (SHRI P. R. Handloom Development Corpons., Welfare DAS MUNSI) : (a) MMTC is the canalising Schemes, Assistance for setting up process agency for Import of iron and steel items houses and assistance for modernisation of listed in Appendix - SA of the. Import & Export looms for the benefit of handloom weavers. Policy' 1985-88. In tbe fourth meeting of These schemes are in operation in Rajast- Central Liaison Committee of steel consum- han as well. Financial assistance is provided ers held at 8angalore, most of the partici- on a matching basis, on the proposals re- pants representing consumers, their asso- ceived from the State Govt. ciations and federations appreciated the role of MMTC in servicing the industry's require- ment of iron and steel items to be met from Terrorists' Killing In Punjab . imports. A large number of participants also stressed the need for contiuance of steel 968. SHAr MANIK REDDY: Will the imports through MMTC. Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state the number of men, women and chil- (b) Yes, Sir. dren killed by terrorists in Punjab since the operation Blue Star till date? (c) A neVI' computer system with adequate capacity has recently been ac- quired by MMTC. The software for servicing THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the demand of iron and steel from the date MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC application is received until shipment is ef- GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- fected, has also been developed. ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHAr P. CHIDAMBA- Necessary training is being imparted to RAM): Information is being collected and the staff for smooth changeover from man .. will be laicton the Table of the House. ual to mechanised date processing. 153 Written Answers SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 154 R.pr•• entatlon of Tyr. There is also a Passport Liaison Office at Manufacturer. Trivandrum which provides only Miscellane- ous services on Indian Passports. 970. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of COM- (b) No, Sir. MERCE be pleased to state: Setting up Shrimp Culture Complex (a) whether Government have re- by MMTC ceived any representations from tyre manu- facturers for reduction of rubber prices; and 972. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of COM- (b) if so, the response of Government MERCE be pleased to state: thereto? (a) whether the Minerals and Metals THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Trading Corporation propose to go in for MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P. R. shrimp export: DAS MUNSI) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The Government are taking a series of steps, like (b) whether any contract has been increasing domestic production, import of entered into by the MMTC with any foreign rubber to meet the demand-supply gap and concern for setting up an artificial shrimp continuously interad with the Manufacturers culture complex, if so, the details thereof; and Producers to ensure adequate avaiiabiJ- and ity of rubber at reasonable prices. (c) the place where the shrimp culture Passports Issued from Kerala complex is likely to be located? RPO. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 971. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- MINISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI P. R. OAS- CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of MUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) No, Sir. (a) the number of passports issued by each aftha Passport Offices in Kerala during (c) Does not arise. 1986-87; and Haj Pilgrims (b) whether Union Government pro- pose to open any more passport offices or 973. SHRI MULLAPPALL V RAMA- issuing centres in Kerala and if so, details CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of thereof? EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the number of Haj pilgrims who left MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI India during 1986-87, State-wise; and K. NATWAR SINGH): (a) There are 2 Pass- port Offices in Kerala, one in Cochin (Er- (b) the number of applicants in the nakulam) and the other in Kozhikode. Pass- waiting list who could not go on pilgrimage ports issued by each of the Passport Offices this year? from April. 1986 to March, 1987 are as under: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRYOF EXTERNALAFFAIAS (SHRI (i) Cochin: 68,644 EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) A statement containing the number of Haj pilgrims who (ii) Kozhikode: 81,130 left India during 1986, State-wise. is given 155 W":ffen Answers JULY 31, 1987 Written Answers 156 below. Similar information re!ating to Haj lb) The required detail$ who be fur- pi:grims who left India during 1987 will be laid nished after all the pilgrims have Igft India. on the table of the House. STATEMENT The Number of Haj pilgrims who left India during 1986, State-wise s. No. Name of State No. 0' pilgrims who left during 1986 By Air 8ysea 1 2 3 1. Andhra Pradesh 805 261 2. AssamlManipurR :agaland/Meg"alayai 290 27F- Arunac~al Pradesh/Sikklm 3. Bihar 3€""7 548 4. GujaratlOadraINagar Havel! 1.721 180 5. Delhi 3R4 30 6. lammu & Kashmir 1.422 222 7. Karnatatk .... 995 232 8. Kerala 2,205 304 9. Ma~"ya Pradesh 459 143 1O. Mahara~htra/GoaIDaman & Diu 4,O~7 363 11. Orissa 41 16 12. Rajasthan 691 156 13. Tamil Nadu 950 148 14. L'ttar Pradesh 3,213 1,089 15. West Bengal 503 652 16. Haryana 123 27 17. Lakshadweep 37 ~o 18. Andaman & Nicobar Islands 10 4 157 Written Answers SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) Written An:: vers 158 1 2 3 4 19. Himachal Pradesh 4 20. Pondicherry 13 21. Punjab 45 10 22. Tripura J Total ~8,315 4,685 Grand Tot'll: 23,000 Uniformity in Income Slabs for ships to children of Defence Personnel and Scholarships in Salnik Schc,ols ex-Servicemen. Means criteria based on income slabs are applicable only to children of ex-Servicemen and are as under: 974. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- SHAR: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be i) Monthly income upto- Full scnolarship pleased to state: Rs. 1C~0/- (a) ~;lether Government have en- ii) Monthly income - Half sured uniform'LY in the income slab of the between Rs. 1001/- scholarship parents whose children are eligible for schol- to Rs. 1600/- arships in Sainik Schools in various parts of the country; iii) Monthly income - No scholarship above Rs. 16001- (b) if so, the exact slab of income fixed at present; These are uniformly applicable all over the country. (c) if not, whether any steps would be taken to introduce a uniform pattern in this Maximum nllmber of scholarships are, regard and the likely date by which it wou1d how"ver, awarded by the State Govern- be none; and mentsfUT Administrations under their own schemes. ·fhers is no uniformity in the in- (d) if not, the reasons ther~for? come slabs of paren~s to whose children scholarships may be awarded under these schemes. Laying down the terms and condi- THE MINISTER C:= STATE IN THE tions of scholarships undf:\r these schemes DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- are at the discretion of State Governmentsl TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY UT Administrations. OF DEF~NCE (SHRI S~'IVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) to (d). Governemnt of India and State Promotion of Tourism In Himalayan Governn,ents/Union Territory Administra- Regions tions have instituted separate scholarship schemes for students of Sainik Schools. 975. PROF. NARAIN CHANDPARA- Ministry of Defence awards a faw scholar- SHAR: Will the Mini~ter of TOURISM be 159 Written Answers JULY 31. 1987 Written Answers 160 pleased to state: [ Translation] (a> whether the High Power Commit- Naval Academy at Ezhlmela, Karel. tee set up to promote tourism in the Hima- layan States/regions has outlined any pro- 976. SHRI T. BASHEER: gramme for the provision of travelling. lodg- SHRI P. A. ANTONY: ing and recreation facilities in places of pil- grimage and scenic beauty In these areas; Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (b) if so, the main features of the pro- gramme and the likely course of its implem- (a) whether any progress has been entation; made on the Jawaharla Nehru Naval Acad- emy at Ezhirnala In Cannanore District, (c) whether the State Governments Kerala since the laying of the foundation and other voluntary institutions like Travel stone by the Prime Minister on 17 January, Agencies operating in these regions are also 1987; and to be actively involved in the process; and (b) if so, the details thereof? (d) if so. the nature of Involvement; and if not, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF (a) and (b) Yes. Sir. Thefollowmg steps have TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER): (a) been taken:- and (b). The Government has set up a Himalayan Tourism Council, as an apex (i) Arrangements have been finalised to body, to guide and co-ordinate the working conduct an all India.architec-tural com- of the State Tourism and other agencies In petiton for the planning! deSign of the the field of promotion of tourism to the Hima- Academy. layas. The Council would cover disciplines like mountaineering. trekking. water sports. (ii) Suitable advance action has been wild life and leisure tourism in the Himalayan initiated to ensure the timely commence- region. The Council would also coordinate ment of the oonstrudion work. matters relating to disemi-nation of inform a- tion. promotion, marketing of Himalayan [English] Tourism and other allied matters. A Task Force with Secretary (Tourism) MIlitary Stations In Hamlrpur and as Chairman has been appointed with a view UNA Districts of H. P. to ensure quick and effective implementa- tion of the deliberations of the Council re- 9n. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- garding development of tourism in the Hima- SHAR: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be layas. pleased to state: (c) Yes, Sir. (a) the latest progress as on 30 June, 1987 in the setting up of Military Stations in Cd) The Himalayan Sports OIganisa- liamirpur and Una Districts of Himachal tionl and Travef Agencies active in the field Pradesh; of Himalayan Tourism are closely associ- ated wIh the decision making exercise of the (b). the likely date by which the stations council. would be set up; and 161 Written Answers SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written AnsW913 182 (c) the reasons for delay? Migration from Punjab THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- 979. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA : OF DEFENCE (SHRr SHIVRAJ V. PATlL): (a) to (c). Army authorities are working out necessary details on the extent of land and Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be its location for submitting a proposal for pleased to state: sanction by Government. At this stage, it is not possible to forecast theli1 Review of Polyester Staple Fibre (b) if so, the number of families mi- Import Policy grated so far; (c) the steps taken by Govemment to 978. SHRt MOHANBHAI PATEL: check migration; and SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: (d) the measures being taken to reha- Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased bilitate the migrated families? to state: (a) whether Government have de- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cided to import polyester staple fibre during MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC 1987-88; GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF (b) H so, the quantity of polyester HOME AFFAIRS. (SHAI P. CHIDAMBA- staple fibre like I)' to be imported and the RAM): (a) and (b). According to available expenditure involved; information about 3200 families have mi- grated from Punjab to various States upto (c) whether it has been suggested that 21 st June, 1987. the policy be reviewed in view of the in- creased domestic capacity for pro-ducing (c) and (d). The steps taken to check polyester staple fibre; and migration from Punjab and to ensure the security of the lives and properties of such (d) whether Government propose to persons include strengthening of police ar- review such imports? rangements and deployment of para-mili- tary forces in the rural and other affected areas, introduction of village defence THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE scheme which envisages patrolling and MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P. R. guarding of villages by members of the DAS MUNSI): (a) No, Sir. public who are mostly ex-servicemen; raids on the hide-outs of terrorists. their harbour- (b) Does not arise. ers and associates, and arrest of terrorists and anti-social elements. According to tel and (d). The policy for the import of Government of Punjab steps are being polyester staple fibre has already been re- taken to bring migrants to their native places viewed and Its import has been canaUsed by making ava.lable additional factlitias to through STC with effect from 6.5.87. them. 163 Wrinen Answers J:.JL Y 31, 1987 Written Answers 164 Delay In Issue of Passports from THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ernakulam Papsport Office, Kerale MINISTRYOF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI 1\. NA TWAR SINGH): (a) to (c). The staffing 980. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Minis- of the Passport Offices is as per norms ter of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to established by the Staff Inspection Unit of state: the Ministry of Finance. Whatever delays are (a) whether it is afadthatthe passport these in issue of fresh passports in this office at Emakulam, Kerala is understaffed Passport Office, are mostly as account of and that there are long delays in issuirg of delayed police verification reports from passports from that office; State Police authorities and some due to inoomplete information in the application (b) whether any step has been taken forms. dunng the last three years to appoint more staff in That office and Improve its fundion- ing; and During the last three years the work load in Passport Office, Ernakula" has gone (c) if so, the details thereof? down considerably as shown below: STATEMENT Year No. ot fresh applications No. of Misc. applications received received 1984 1,19,523 96,347 1985 92,316 54,553 73,835 68,653 Thus, there is no justification to appoint MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. more staff In the Passport Office, Er- DAS MUNSI): (a) No, Sir. Earnings from nakulam. non-traditional exports such as readymade garments, leather and leather manufactures Export of Non-Traditional Goods (incl. footweat" gems and jewellery, chemi- cals and allied products, machir,ery, trans- 981. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: port equipment and metal manufactures Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased have increased s;gnificantfyduring 1986-87. to state: (b) and Ccl. Do not arise. (a) whether export of non traditional goods su!fered a serious set back in 1986- Opening of Sub-Branch of STC In 87, Orissa (b) if so, the factors responsible there- 982. SHRfMl\Tf JAYANTI PATNAIK: fore; and Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: (c) the efforts bttlng made to increase export of these goods? (a) whether Government propose to open a branch of the State Trading Corpora- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion (STC) in Orissa; 165 Writt., Answers SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 166 (b) if so, the time schedule therefor; t~ken up in two phases and each phase ;s and likely to take abOut 5 years (c) the steps belf1g taken in this re- Development of "aux. Ford" In gard? We.t Bellgel THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 984. SHAI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will the ~AINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. Minister of TOURISM be pleased to state: CAS MUNSI): (a) to (c). STC has de- cided to open a sub-branch at Bhubaneswar (a) the details of the steps taken by his in Orissa. Efforts are being made to hire Ministry .to bring HBuxa Ford- Alipurduar of suitable accommodation for this purpose. It West Bengal on the tourist map of India; is expected that the sub-branch will start functioning by end December, 1987. (b) whether the Government of West Bengal has asked to develop this historical Barbed Wire Fencing Along place of North Eastern region to attract tour- InCio-Bangla Border ists; and 983. DR. B.L. SHAILESH: Will the Min- (c) the details of the survey made, if ister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: any, in this rggard? (a) the progress made so far in the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE erection of barbed wire fencing along fhe MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- Indo-8angla boroer to check infiltration into ISTER OF STATE OF THE •. ·~INISTRY OF the country; TOURISM (SHAI JAG 0 ISH TYTLER): (a) to (c). Yhe Central Ministry of Tourism under- (b) whether this work had be9n dis- takes development of tourist centres in the continued for some time; and country on the basis of specific proposals received from the State Govemments. The (e) if so, the reasons therefor ana Ministry of Tourism has not received any when it is likely to be resumed and com- proposal from the Govemment of West pleted? Bengal for development of Buxa Ford. The Ministry has not made an) survtlY for the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE development of Buxa Ford. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): (a) Survey Competitive Price for Cotto" work for erection of barbed wire fence has Growers. ~en taken up in Assam and Meghalaya sectors of the Indo-Bangladesh border 985. DR. DATTA SAMANT: Will the along with survey for construction of roads. Minister of TEXTilES be pleased to statq: The field survC'y has almost been completed in Assam Sector. The work of erection of (a) what was the mill consumrtion of barbed wire fence will be taken up sector- cotton in the years 1985, 1986 and upto 30th wise after construction of roads. June, 1987; (b) and (c). Survey work which was Ini- (b) what is the stock position of cotton tially started in Dhubri Distt. of Assam in with the Cotton Corporation. of India and March, 1984 had to be stoilped due to Maharashtra State Cotton Growers Federa- unprovoked firing by Bangladesn Rifles. The tion as on 30-6-1987; and work has been resumed last year. (c) what measures Government pro- The project of construction of roads! pose to take to ensure that the cotton grow- fence along Indo-Bangladesh border will be ers get competitive price for cotton? 167 Written AnsweIS JULY 31, 1987 WrlltenAnswets 188 THE DEPUlY MINISTER IN THE MIN- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ISTAY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. KUMAR): (a) The mill consumption of cotton CAS MUNSI): (b) the steps Government are taking to [ Translation] solve the border dispute between Mahar- ashtra and Kamataka States? Computer. for Police THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 990. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHRI MATI MANORAMA SINGH: CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): The dele- SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: gation of Samyukta Maharashtra S8ema Samit; met the Prime Minister on the 18th Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be June, 1987 and urged the Central Govern- pleased to state: ment to resolve the long-standing border dispute between Maharashtra and Karna- (8) names of the States and Union Terri- taka. tories where the police has started using computers, the amount spent thereon and (b) The Government of India have the assistance given by the Union Govern- been of the view that this boundary dispute ment in this regard; can be reaolved only with the willing coop- 8IIIi7n of the States concerned and towards (b) the fields where the use of the com- this end the Central Govemment would puters have proved useful and those where extend all possible assistance to them. the computers have not done .wall; and However, the Government, on their part, are alia considering the lines on which initiative (c) whether the computers 10 pur- may be ••n to facilitate • solution of the chased were found defective and if .,. the 171 Written AnSMN'S JULY 31,1987 Written An.... 172 action taken against the erring parses faults, those were ractifiad by the engineers found responsble in this regard·? of Electronic Corporation of India Ltd. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEV- ANCES AND PENSIONS AND MINISTRY [English] OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM): (a) The States and Union Territories where the Seizure of Chin ••• Arms police department have start~ using com- puters are:- 991. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: 1. Andhra Pradesh 8. Punjab SHRI DHARM PAL SING H MALIK: 2. Gujarat 9. Tamil Nadu SHRI MANIK REDDY: SHRI SU8HASH YAOAV 3. Madhya Pradesh 10. Uttar SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: Pradesh Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 4. Maharashtra 11. West pleased to state: 8engal (a) whether Chinese made arms have 5. Karnataka 12. Orissa been seized in the country; 6. Kerala 13. Delhi (b) if SOt the estimated number of Chi- nese made arms seized during the last one 7. Rajasthan year; The computers in the 12 States were In- (c, whether any enquiry has been stalled at the cost of about Rs. 8 crores out made into the matter; and of the central assistance provided to the States under the scheme of modernisation (d) the steps taken to stop the smug- of State police forces. The expenditure on gling of Chinese arms into the country? the bu:ldings. air-mnditioning, co", munica .. tion lin.s~ and equioments, staffing and THE MiNISTER OF STATE IN THE magnetic media was incurred by the State MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Government. The Union Territory of Delhi is CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): (a) to (d). USing computer at the Directorate of Coordi- According to available reports about 26 nation Police Computers. arms of Chinese ongin were recovered from extremists in Punjab and three from insur- (b) The computers were ins~alled essen- gents in North Eastern States of Nagaland. tially for the crime -criminal and finger-prints Manipur and Tripura. Further out of the arms information system. It was meant to provide surrendered by Mizo National Front, follow- information to investigating officers of the ing the signing of Mizoram Accord, three police for investigation and detection of were found to be of Chinese origin. Most of crimes. -aoth thesa systems wherever imple- those weapons reportedly were smuggled mented have proved useful. from across the border. Preventive steps taken include surveillance over peraona (c) None of the computers purchased suspedad of smuggling and intensive pe- was found defective in any of the States. trofling of border areas. Whenever there have been breakdowns or 173 Written Answers SRAVANA 9. 1909 (SAKA ) Written Answers 174 Reported Supply of Combat Aircraft (c) what steps are taken by Govern- to Pakistan by China ment to help the Indians in Fulf countries in sorting out their problems? 992. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MALIK: MINISTRYOF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRt SHRI MANIK REDDY: K. NATWAR SING"-): (a) to (c). The requi- SHRI SUBHASH YADAV; site information has been called for and it will SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: be placed on the table of the House. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased tostata: Floating Dry Dock for Indian Navy 994. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: (a) whether the attention of Govern- SHRI V. TULSIRAM: ment has been drawn to the reports that SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: Cllina is to supply the latest combat aircraft. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: besides tanks' and the heavy artillery, to Pakistan; Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof; and (a) whather a Floating Dry Dock was (c) the reaction of Government commissioned recently for Indian Navy; thereon? (b) if so, its cost, capacity and othor THE MINISTEk OF STATE DEPART- details? MENT OF DEFENCE PRODUCTION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY OF DE- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE FENCE IN THE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- (a) and (b). Government have seen these TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY press reports and are aware that China has OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): been supplying combat aircraft, tanks and (a) Yes, Sir. artillery to Pakistan. (b) The Floating Dry Dock was built by (c) These developments are taken into a firm in Japan. This has a displAcement cf account in our defence planning exercises 11.500 tonnes and was purchased from Mis and taking appropriate counter measures. Escorts Ltd .• India at a price of Rs. 10.9 crores. Complaints From Indians Working In Gulf Countrl•• Deihl Banrlh 993. PROF. K.V.THOMAS: Will the Min- ~. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD ister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to SINGH: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS state: be pleased to state: (a) whether Indian Mission have re- (a) whether a call for Delhi Bandh or. ceived complaints from Indians working in 9th July, 1987 was given by certian political Gulf coQntries that they are being tortured parties; and harassed by their employers; (b) if so, ~he number of cases of vio- (b) if so, how many complaints have lence and arson reported that day; and bean received during the last three years; anet (c) the estimated loss ot life and prop- 175 Wtllt." AnsW81S JULY 31, 1987 Written Answers 178 Manipuri Handloom products? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- KUMAR):(a) The Government have sat up ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF Handloom Export Promotion Council HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA- (HEPC) as an apex body for promoting RAM): (a> Yes, Sir. handloom exports. Exporters registered with the Council can freaty export handloom (b) 6 casas were registered. products as handloom fabrics/mad.ups are not under quota. With a view to encourage (c) No loss of life was reported. The handloom exports, the Govemment have loss of property is reported to be about granted a number of export incentives like rupees one lakh. Cash Compensatory Support and Import Replenishment. Besides, the HEPC has Retrenchment In Textile Indu.trla. been undertaking regular export promotion measures such as participation in Exhbi- tionsAairs abroad, sponsoring BSMsI Dele- . 996. SHRI BASUDEV ~ACHARIA: Will gationslStudy Teams and conducting mar- the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to ket surveys. state: Acx:ording to HEPC, the value of exports (b) if so, the justification thereof; and 1985-86 1988-87 Cc) the remedial steps taken to prevent Fabrics 87.97 83.51 retrenchment? Made-ups 73.36 82.15 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA 161.33 165.66 KUMAR): (a) No, Sir. (b) and (e). 00 not arise in view of (a) (b) Mainpur Hand\oom products are above. eligible for benefits like other hand loom products. HEPC is trying to promote the Export F.c,ntl•• for H.ndloom exports of these items by displaying the same in intemational fairs. 998. SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: Will the [ Translation] Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: Missing Pak Nationals In Uttar Prade.h (8) the export facilities for handloom cloths and the agencies which have been given lance to export handloom products 999. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TAI- and the value of such export during the last PATHI: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS two years; and be pteased to state: (b) wMtherGovernmenthavespecific (8) whlther80mapaoplewhocamlto pnIpOI8II to export handloom products of Faizabad district of Uttar Pradesh fram the North-East with special reference to Pakistan are not traceable for the last m.wy 177 Written Answers SRA VANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Written Answers 178 years; p1easea to state: (b) if so, whether Govemment have (a) the number 01 major fire incidents made any efforts so far to get some informa- in Delhi which occurred during the last three tion about the whereabouts of these per- years; sons; and (b) the loss of life and property as a result (c) if 80, the outcome of those efforts? of these incidents; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the outcome of the enquiries, if held MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC any, into these incidents; GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF (d) the adian taken against those who HOME AFFAIRS (SHRt P. CHIDAMBA .. were found guilty of non~mpliance of fire RAM): (a) to (c). The information is being safety rules; and collected from State Government and will be laid on the Table of the House. (e) whether the building plans of the buildings involved in these incidents had Expulsion of Indians From Darban beEtn approved after the authorities con- cerned satisfied themselves with the provi- 1000. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TAI- sion of requisite fire safety rules in those PATH I: Will the Minister of- EXTERNAL plans; if not the adion taken against the AFFAIRS be pleased to state: concerned authorities or persons for sanc- tioning such plans? (a) whether his Ministry has given any instructions to Maharashtra State Govern- P: Provisional. ment to permit ttle mill owners from Bombay Source: DGCI&S, Calcutta. to sell their mills' land; (b) A series of initiatives have been (b) if so, what are these instruction; taken by the Government to promote ex- and ports. These are designed to generate sur- pluses for exports to induce the produdion of (c) the response of the StakJ Govern- goods contemporary in technology and ment to such instructIOns? competitive in prices and to make the ex- ports profitable. Simultaneously the Govern .. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ment has also initiated a series of steps to ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA promote er:cient import substitution, par- KUMAR): (a) Permission to dispose of sur- ticula~ly In the sphere of bulk imports. plus mill land comes within the purview of the prescribed urban Jand ceiling a~1hority andl Tea Trading Corporation of India or the State Government concerned. 1004. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Will the Min- (b) and (c). Do not arise in view of (a) ister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: above. (a) whether CBI enquiry was instituted Trade Deficit against the Tea Trading Corporation of India (TICI) some years ago for having indulged· 1003. DR. DATTA SAMANT: Will the in irregular safe of Replenish,nant Import Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to Licenses (REP) obtained by it from time to state: time as export incentives; (a) the figures of import and export a'K.I (b) if so, the results thereof; trade gap for 1986-87; and (c) whether it is a fact that following the (b) the measures taken to reduce the said enquiry the TTCI was kept in 'abeya.lCe list' in the matter of its REP entitlements but trade gap in 1986-87? recently its name has been withdrawn from - THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE such 'abeyance list'; MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (d) if so, the reasons thereof; and DAS MUNSI\: (a) According to the provi- sional data received from DGCI & S, the (8) whether Government have taken details of exports, impons and balance of adequate precautions to prevent recurrence trade during 1986.. 87 as compared to 1985- of such irregular acts and if so, the details of 181 Written Answers SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Written Answers' 182 THE tv1INISTER OF Sl ATE IN THE (a) whether the organised sectors of MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. the Textiles Industry is facing a crisis and a DAS MUNSI): (a) and (b). Yes Sir. The large number of textile mill have been closed enquiry is under progress. since the New Textile policy statement of June 6, 1985; (c) and (d). TTCI was placed under obey- ance list on 9th November, 1983. Later on (b) if so, whether any study has been debarment orders were issued w.e.f. made by Government regarding the causes 9.11.1983 to 31.3.1985. As per procedure, of these crisis in the textiles industry ; and as and when debarment order is passed an abeyance order has to be withdrawn. Hence (c) if so, the outcome thereof and the the order of abeyance dated 9.11.1983 was measures proposed to be tamen by Govern- withdrawn ment to prevent closure of textile units in its organised sectors? (e) The strict action taken by the Govt. against the nCI will be an adquate detar- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- rent against the recurrence of such irregular ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA acts. KUMAR): (a) The organised mill sector of the textile industry is prasently facing certain Illegal Arms Factories difficulties and 53 cotton textile units were lying closed (as on 31 st May, 1987) since the 1005. SHRI LALITESI-fWAR PRASAD June, 1985 Textile policy came into effect. SHAHI: SHRI MUKUL 'NASNIK: (b) Government have identified the causes of the problems being faced by the Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be textile industry. pleased to state: (c) A Nodal Agency has been set up to (a) whether ~ is a fact that a large prepare and imp;ement rehabilitation pack ... number of illegal arms factories have been ages in respect of potentially viabla textile unearthed in different parts of th9 country UflltS. T~e Textile ~Aodernisation Fund has during the last six months; beell set up to fiance the modernisation needs of vis able textile units to prevent clo- (b) if so, the details thereof and the sure. number of arrests mac.) in this connection; and Idenltity Card, to As.am... (c) the action contemplated by Gov- 1007. SHRI G. eHOOPATI-tY: \\ill the ernment against the persons involved in ~inister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to illegal arms ma"ufacturing? state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE la) whether the Union Govemment MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI are conSidering a schema to issue iae"ltity CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): (a) to (c).lnfo;·- cards to pe..>ple livi"'g in Assam; and matic" is being collected from State Govern- mantAJ.T. Administrations and will be laid on (b) if so. the details therefor? the tabla of lht1 House. THt: MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Crlala to Textile Units In Organised MINISTRY Or HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Sectnr CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI}: (a) and (b). A pilot scheme for ;ssueof identity cards in four 1006. SHRI G. BHOOPATHY: Will the selected bordertehsils of Rajasthan is pres- Minister of TEX TilES be pleased to state: 183 Wrilen Answers JULY 31,1987 Written Answsrs 184 ently undar implementation. It is rather early to decide about extending the scheme (b) Prime Minister as Chairman of the to oth,r areas including those in Assam. AFRICA Fund Committe. has written to Heads of State/Government of non-aligned Africa Fund as well as other countries, the Secretary General of the United Nations and the Sec- 1008. SHRI G. BHOOPATHY: retary General of Commonwealth and the SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI: President of EEC forwarding the Appeal and the Plan of Action and requesting their sup- Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be port. Similarly, EAM has also written to pleased to state: Heads of other international organisations. The matter is also raised in the course of (a> the names of the countries which bilateral visitts exchanged with seve,al have contributed to Africa Fund and the countries. amount contrbuted so far; and The Special Envoy of the f-#rime Minister (b) the steps being taken to persuade for Africa, has held talks with a number of other countries to contribute generously to the Africa Fund? Governments, as also with the UN and Specialised Agencies and the Common- wealth Secretariat to mobilise support for the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI AFRICA Fund. A meeting of the Senior Offi- cials of the AFRICA Fund Committee is EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a> An updated listot scheduled to take place in New Delhi from contributions so far pledged to the AFRICA ~ugust 4 to 7, 1987, when further adion to be Fund is given in the statement below. taken will be discussed. STATEMENT Contributions pledged to AFRICA Fund so far 1 2 3 India Rs. (Ind) 500 million (in kind) Nigeria US $/15 million (-do-) Peru US $/10 million (-do-) Algeria US $/10 million (-do-) Yugoslavia US $112 million ( .. do-) Argentina US $/3 million for 1987 ( .. do-) Congo CFA 100 million (-do-) France FF 20 million Balbados Bd $/100,000 Djibouti US $/10,000 in cash 185 Written Answers SRAVANA 9. 1969 (SAKA ) Written Answers 186 1 2 3 Italy Lire 4 billion (in food aid) Libya US $/10 million 50% cash 50% in kind Guyana US $/5,000 in cash USSR Roubles 65 million in kind Afghanistan US·1/5,OOO in cash Nicaragua U$ $/50,000 in cash Nauru Australian $/10,000 in cash Maldives US $/1000 in cash Mauritius Rs. (M) 500,000 in cash Bangladesh US $/10,000 in cash Norway Kroners 10 miliioA Uganda US $/100,000 in cash Pakistan Rs. (Pak) 50 million (in kind) Philippines US $1500 Sweden Project assistance ... US Supply of Sophisticated Waap- 100 million do lIors , including long range onry to Pakistan heavy duty gun and electronic counter measures; 1009. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: SHRI KRISHNA SINGH: (b) if so. the details of such deals; and SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZ ALI (c) the reaction of ~vemmentof India KHAN: in this regard? ·SHRI H.B. PATIL: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI pleased to state: EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Ves. Sir. Government are aware that in May and (a) whether Government have seen June, 1987 J the US Administration notified reports to the effed that US Administration the Congress of the proposed sales to PaId.. has recently decided to supply mora soph~ stan of 2386 Tow-2 missiles and 144 launch- ticated weaponry to Pakistan worth ovar a ers worth S78 million and 60 M-198155mm 187 WrlIt." Answers JULY 31. 1987 Written Answers 188 Towed Howitzers and support material tor the devAlopment of Mugs Silk 1,,"ust'1 in vvorth $ 44 minion. the region. (c) Govemment are alert to the secu- Further, the Government of India, in col- rity implications of the continuing transfar of laboration with State Governments, Includ- sophisticated arms to Pakistan. Such trans- ing Assam, is implementing a number of fars lead to an arms race in the region and schemes to develop the handloom industry. the diversion of resources from develop- Thase schemes ara designed to provide the ment to defance. necessary support in the areas of input- supply. design development, marketing, Moog. Silk Industry In Assam credit. etc., throught the State Apex Hand- loom Weavers' Co-operative Societies and 1010. PROF. PARAG CHALIHA: Will the Handloom Development Corporations. Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to State: Encounter aetween BSF Jawsn. and THV Guerillas (a> whether he is aware of Assam's abiding tradition in weaving, handloam and 1011. SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZ ALI sericulture with specialisation in producting KHAN: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS and rearing Mooga, which is an unique vari- be pleased to state: ety of silk, available only in Assam; (a) whether in May t 1987 some BSF (b) what staps have been taken to Jawans we,e killed in an ambush by the TNV encourage and step-up the gradually dimin- guerillas in Tripura and a number of other ishing retums in this traditional industry: and were wounded; and (c) whether any special attention has (b) if so, the number of BSF Jawans been given to help and encourage Mooga killed by TNV guerillas during the last one cultivation and reeling ? year and the TNV guerillas killed in encoun· ters with the BSF personnel? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE KUMAR): (a> Yes. Sir. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): (a) Yes, Sir. (b)and (c). In order to supplement the efforts of the State Government, the Central (b) During the last one year till date the SDk Board has estabHshed a Regional Muga TNV has killed 3 BSF Jawans. No TNV at Research Station Mirza (Assam) with a extremist has been killed during this period Research Extension Centre at Borahibari to in encounters. 8 TNV extremists have been provide Research & Extension support for arrested during the current year. dwalopmant of the Mugs Silk Industry. The Board has aleo set up a Mug. Raw Material Incre ••• In Cotton Price. bank at Sa.agar, with its sub-depot at Dhakuakhana, in order to ensure a fair price 1012. SHAI VISHNU MODI: Will the for the ..Mug. cocoons produced in the Minister of TEXTILES be pleasad to state: region. In additi"n, the Board has launched a Muga Seed Development Project covering whether the cotton prICes have the States of Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, registered an abonormal increase over 70 Meghalaya and NagaJand at a total cost of per cent during the last six months; and Re. 3.5 erores. The project aims at produc- tion of Commercial Muga Seed and creation (b) if 10. the steps taken or proposed to of infrastructural facilities, including reeling, be taken to check the lame? 189 Written Answers SRA VANA 9. 1909 (SAKA ) Written Answers 190 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- and if not, why? ISTAY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR): S.No State Total No. Total No. of Mills. of employees. 1 3 4 1. Andhra Pradesh 2 2751 2. Assam 1 1079 3. Bihar 1 500 4. Gujarm 28 46658 A. Ahmedabad City 19 38968 B. Rest of Gujarat 9 7690 5. Haryana 2 5292 6. Kamalak. 6 5970 181 WdIt." An...,. JULY 31, 1987 Witten An... 192 1 2 3 4 7. Kerala 2 1353 8. Madhya Pradesh 3 5813 9. Maharashtra 11. 21605 A. Bombay City 5 14011 B. Rest of Maharashtra 6 7594 10. Rajasthan 5 51n 11. Tamil Nadu 27 13284 A. Coimbatore 14 6996 B. Rest of Tamil Nadu 13 6288 12. Uttar Pradesh 7 12737 13. West Bengal 4 11480 Total 99 133699 Loan Llb.ran•• tlon for Modernisation private sector are not coming forward for of Textile Mill. modernisation of their mills; Cd) if so, whether Government would 1014. SHRI VISHNU MODI: consider liberalising these terms to attract SHRIVAKKOM the private sector textile miUs for such mod- PURUSHOTHAMAN: ernisation; and Will the Minister of TEXTILES be (e) if not, the reasons thereof? pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- (c) whether duato unfavourable terms (c) No, Sir. laid down for avaHing the facility of textile modemisation fund. said to be operated by (d) and (.). Do not arise in view of (c) the LD.B.I. most of the textile mini in the above. 193 WlfttenAn ...,. SRAVANA9. 1909(SAKA) WrIII"'~ 194 fresh InHlltive. to End Iran • Iraq nave conveyed our appreciation to the Wlr Government of Vietnam in this regard. 1015. SHRI E. AYY APU REDDY : Will Promotion of Winter Adventure the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be Tourl.m pleased to state: 1017.SHRI BHADRESHWAR TANn : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether private agencies concern- MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRr ing tourism ara also likely to be associated in EDUARDO FALEIRO} : (a) and (b). The this venture; and United States and the Soviet Union sup- ported a resolution recently adopted unani- (c) if so. the detailS thereof? mously by the UN Security Council which seeks to bring an end to the war between THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Iraq and Iran. The non-aligned mambers of MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- the Security Council also supported this ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF resolution. The members of the Nonaligned TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER) : 1016. SHRI E. AYVAPU REDDY: Will (b) and (c). The composition of the the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be Council is as follows :- pleased to state : Minister of Tourism - Chairman (a) whether the Government of Viet- nam has solicited the good offices of India for Secretary Tourism - Vice-Chairman settling the Kampuchian issue; and Director General of -Chairman, Tourism (b) if so. the re.dian of Govemment of Executive India thereto? Committee THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Chairman, ITOO - WOrking VICe- MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRt Chairman K. NAlWAR SINGH): (a> and (b). During the recent exchange of Ministerial leve' visits President. Delhi to Vietnam. the Govemment of Vietnam has Mountaineering suggested that India could play an important Association - Convenor role in ••ttUng the Kampuchean issue. We- 195 Written AnSwelS JULY31, 1987 Written Answers 196 The other members of the Council are· Cash Comens.tory Support Scheme representatives of the for Export of Cotton for Mah.r•• htr. State (i) Ministeries of Home Affairs, De- fence, Tourism, Civil Aviation, 1019. SHRI D. B. PATIL: Will the Minis- Surveyor General of India, Direc- ter of TEXTilES be pleased to state: torate General of Archaeology and Army Headquarters; (a) whether the scheme of cash com- pensatory support for export of cotton in (ii) Himalayan States - Himachal 1985-86 from Maharashtra State is under Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir, Ut- consideration by Union Government; and tar Pradesh, Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh and West Bengal; (b) if so, whether a decision has been taken in this regard and if so, the details (iii) Public Sector Undertakings - Air thereof? India, Indian Airlines, Vayudoot and India Tourism Development THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- Corporation. ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR) : (a) and (b). The proposal for grant (iv) Himalayan Sports Organisations of cash compensatory support to Maharash- - Indian Mountaineering Foun- tra State Co-oparativ8 Cotton Growers' dation, Himalayan· Car Rally, Marketing Federation on its export during Himalayan Mountaineering Insti- 1985-86 was considered and it has been tute, Oarjeeling and Youth Host decided not to give such assistance. Association of India. US Technology for New Indian Tank (v) Travel Agencies-Mercury Trav- els, Shikhar Travels, Explore In- 1020. SHAI M. AAGHUMA REDDY: dia, SITAWorldTravels, IndTrav- SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH els, Cox & Kings, Travel Corpora- MALIK: tion of India and Kai Travels. SHAI MANIK REDDY: SHRI SUBHASH YADAV: Achievements of New Textiles SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: Policy Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 1018. SHRI BHADRESDWAR TANTI : state: Will the Minister of TEXTilES be pleased to state: (a) wheth~r US Defence Department has released recently an important technol- (a) whether there are any differences ogy for use inthe new tank that India propose between the Government and the Textile to build as reported in the Times of India Industry over the achievements of the new dated 15th June, 1987; textiles policy as reported in the Indian Express dated 9th June, 1987; and (b) whether the technology relates to the stabilisation of tank Turret and is essen- (tV if so, the fads thereof? tial to accuracy in hitting a target; THE DUPUTY MINISTER IN'THE MIN- (c) if so, how the technology has been ISTRY OF TEXTilES (SHRI S. KRISHNA leaked out; and KUMAR): (8) No, Sir. (d) if so, how the technology has been (b) Does not arise. leaked out; and 197 WriI." Answers SRA VANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Wrilten Answers 198 (d) Whather Govemment have since oversee the working of textNe research as- conducted any enquiry into the matter and if sociations; so, the outcome thereof? (b) if SO, the main pointsofstudybytha THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE special study group; DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY (c) whether any recommendations OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : had been made by the study group; and (a) No, Sir. (d) if SO, the details thereof and the (b) to (d). Do not arise. steps being taken to implement the sugges- tions made by the study group? Export P.ckage for Export .nd Trading Hou.e. THE UEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA 1021. SHRIMATI BAS AVA RAJES- KUMAR): (a) to (d). The proposal for aetting WARI: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be up of a High Powered Committee to go into pleased to state: the working of textile research associations and suggest measures for their future (a) whether his Ministry is working out growth and development is under consid- a package to enable the Export and Trading eration. Houses to pay an important role in maximis- ing India's export earnings; Pak Firing on BSF (b) if so, when would be these pack- 1023. SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJES- ages implemented; and WARI: SHRI MUKUL WASNIK: (c) the extent these will helpthe Export DR. B. L. SHAILESH: and Trading How-as? SHRI PARASRAM BHARDWAJ: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P. R. pleased to state: DAS MUNSI): (el It is intended that new package ~) if so, whether any protest has been should help Trading Houses and Export lodged with the Pakistan Govemm8nt; and Houses play mora significant rola in boost- ing exports. (c) if so, the feadion of Pakistan Gov- ernment thereto? Study Group to Ovar.aa Working of Textile R•••• rch A ••~cl.tlon. "THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRf 1022. SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJEWARI: CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): (a> It is • fact Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to that a BSF Naka Party Ex-8OP DhariwaJ. state: Amritsar Sector was fll'ad upon by intruders wearing uniform of Pak Rangers. The inci- 1024. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will the Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: pleased to state: (a) whether any study has been con- (a) the subjects discussed with Soviet ducted about the economic conditions of the leaders during the Prime Minister'S recent handloom workers in West Bengal; and visit to the USSR; (b) if so. the action taken in this re- (b) whether any agreements were gard? also signed to promote cooperation between Indian and the USSR; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA (c) if so, areas of cooperation in which _ KUMAR) : (b) Does not arise. (b) It so, the details thereot; SAARC Breakthrough In Tackling (c) whether Union Government have Terrorism recently reduced its share number of share- able days of rebate; 1028. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be (d) if so, the details and the reasons for pleased to state: reduction thereof; (a> whether the seven nation SAARC (e) whether Union Government have conference held recently in New Delhi received any representations from Karala_ achieved a break-through in tackling the for increasing the number of shareable days menace of terrorism by agreeing on a com- of rebate? prehensive law; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- (b) if so, the details of the agreement; ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA and KUMAR) : (8) and (b). The 20% Special Rebate Scheme of the Govt. of India is an AU (c) the adion being taken in pursu- India Scheme being implemented with ance thereof? matching assistance from the Centre and the participating States, including Karala. It THS MINISTER OF STATE IN THE is offered for 30 days in a year plus National MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI Handloom Exhbitions approved and organi- K. NAlWAR SINGH): (a) and (b). The sed by the Office of the Development SAARC Council of Ministers held in New Commissioner for Handlooms on retails Delhi in June, 1987, had before it the raport sales of handloom fabrics marketed by of a SAARC· Group of Experts which suc- Handloom Cooperative Societies and Hand- 203 Written Answers JuLY 31. 1987 Written Answers 204 loom Corporations. Centrally funded. The pilot scheme in Ra- jasthan is likely to be implemented during the (c) No. Sir. There is no change in the current year. The State Government of scheme so far since April, 1986. Punjab and Gujarat having also been ad- vised to consider preparation of similar pilot (d) Does not arise. schemes in their respective border areas. (a) Yes. Sir. The Government of Ker- Committe. to Stuay Financial Condl· ata have requested for increase in the num- tlons of Handloom Weaver. In A.P. ber of rebate days to 60. 1031. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the Identity cards to Citizens Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: 1030. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: (a) whether Union Government have SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: recently set up a committee to study financial conditions of handloom weavers!workars in Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Andhra Pradesh; pleased to state: (b) if so, whether the organisations of (a) whether there is any proposal these workers have sent some memoran· under consideration of Government to issue dum giving details of their grievances; identity cards to the citizens of India in all the States to check infiltration and crimes on the (c) the action being taken for the lines of ration cards; rederesal of their grievances; and (b) if so. the details thereof; (d) the details of financial assistance to be provided to Andhra Pradesh in the (c) the time by which the scheme is respect? expected to be implemented; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- (d) the extent to which such personal ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA identity cards will detect the undesired KUMAR): (8) No, Sir. a'ements and decrease the crimes of all sorts in the country? lb) to Cd). Do not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Me.tlng of National Integratlon- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Council CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI) : (a) to (d). The government have approved a pilot scheme 1032. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: Will for issue of identity cards in four selected the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased tehsils in four bordar districts of Rajasthan, to state: which is undar implementation by the State Govemment. The scheme is aimed at (a) whether any meeting of the Na- checking infiltration and anti-national and tional Integration Council was held recently anti-social activities in border aress. Under and if so. when; this scheme identity cards are proposed to be isiued to permanent residents. tempo- (b) the subjects and issues discussed rary rasidents and visitors separately. Public at the meeting; and servants carrying duty authorised official identity cards and foreign nationals having a (c) the decisions made or conclusions valid passportlvisa andlor other valid travel arrived at the said meeting? documents will be exempted. The scheme is 205 Written Answers SRAVANA 9.1909 (SAKA) Wrillen Answers 208 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Tobacco Board pro- MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC pose to encourage the use of coal for to- GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- bacco bams in Andhra Pradesh; ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBA- (b) the policy of :he Tobacco Board RAM): (a> to (c). The National Integration with respect to the use of coal; and Council after its reconstitution in February 1986. has met twice so far. The last meeting took place on 12.9.86. It reviewed the wel- (c) the reaction of Government fare measures for the minorities in pursu- thereto? ance of the 15-point programme of the late Prime Minister. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P. R. Autonomy to MMTe and STC DAS MUNSI): (a) to (c). The Tobacco Board 1033. SHRI P. M. SAYEEO : Will the is encouraging use of coal for curing tobacco Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to as it emits heat uniformally in the bams state: resulting. in proper drying of gree leaf. A ql1antity of about 1.09.191 tonn88 of coal (a) whether Government have de- was supplied during 1986-87 crop session in cided to grant greater fundicnal autonomy Andhra Pradesh. The coal was delivered at to the Minerals and Metals Trading Corpora- barn sites of the farmers to avoid inconven- tion (MMTe) and the State Trading Corpora- ience. The Tobacco Board has been making tion (STO); arrangements for supply of coal to FCV tobacco farmers in close liaisen with MIs. (b) if so, the benefits the companies Singareni Collaries and Andhra Pradesh would derive as Government trading agen- State Trading Corporation. It has been de- cies; and cided to continue supply of coal directly to (c) whether these companies have growers through Government Agency dur- assured of certain specific targets which ing 1987-88 crop session also. they are likely to achieve after getting more autonomy and if so, the details thereof? Price of Rubber In Internatlona' Market THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P. R. 1035. SHRt P. A. ANTONY: WUt the DAS MUNSI) : (a> to (c). The working of the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to Minerals and Metals Trading CQrporation of state· India Limited and State Trading Corporation of India Umited vis-a-vis their respective (a) the quantity of natural rubber pro- performance targets is constantly monitored posed to be imported during 1987-88; and procedural changes necessary to give greater flexibility in their day to day (b) the gap between domestic availa- operations are introduced. in consultation bility and the demand for rubber; and with them. These measures are designed to bring greater efficiency in the functioning of (c) the difference of price of natural these Corporations and help them in fulfil- rubber obtaining in the international market ment of the,e performance targets. and in the domestic market during 1986and 19871 U•• of COl' In Toblcco alrns In Andhra Prad ••h THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P. R. 1034. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: WUI the DAS MUNSI) : and (b). At the beginning Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to of 1987-88 demand supply gap of natural state: 207 Written Answers JULY 31, 1987 Written Answers 208 rubber and import required was assessed at about 40000 tonnes. 35000 1onnes. However t due to drought the (c) The average prices of Natural rub- the produdion of rubber in months of April ber in Kuala Lumpur market and Kottayam and May. 1987 had been lower than the market during 1986 and 1987 have been as esti'!1ated ore and the gap may increase to under :- STATEMENT (In Rs. per tonne) Year Kottay • .." Kualalumpur 1986 16700 9930 1987 17540 11080 (Jan. - June) Naw .y.tam to avoid wast •• In ter of DEFENCE be pleased to state: Tlxtll•• Milia (a) whether Government are consid· 1036. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU : Will ering a proposal to establish a Naval base the Minister of TEXTilES be pleased to and Naval training centre in the west coast of state: Tamil Nadu; and (a) whether Gover,nment are aware of (b) if so, the details thereof? the new system being followed in Textiles in order to avoid wastes in textile mills; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC· (b) whether Government are introduc- TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY ing the Rottospin system in all the National OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATll): Textile Corporation Mills; and (a) No, Sir. (c) when such system ts likely to be (b) Does not arise. introduced? Jute Mills In West Bengal Locked THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- outJn June, 1987 ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR) : 1037. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Minis- (e) whether 10 of the said mills de- 209 Wrilten Answers SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Written Answers 210 clared bck-out only after Govemment or the Conference on the zone of peace be India announced its decision to help the mill postponed by another two years, viz to 1990; owners with modernisation funds; (b) if so, the reasons for such postpone- (d) whether he is aware that the work- ment and whfch countries we,. in favour of ers of the Iockad-out mills have been illegally postponement and which countries wanted deprived of their provident fund and gratuity to adhere to the previous deadlines of 1988; dues; and and (e) what steps are being taken to get (c) what was the stand of Government the mills reopened and to prosecute the mill of India? owners of misappropriating the workers statutory dues? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- K. NATWAR SINGH): (a> and (b). At its ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA recently concluded sum mer session, the UN KUMAR) : (b) As per information available with the (d) Only workers of those mills will be Government, no management had received eligible for financial assistance under the permission for closure under Section 25(0) Textile Workers Rehabilitation Fund of the Industrial Disputes Act. 1947. from any Scheme which have closed down perma- State Government! Union Territories Ad- nently on or after 6th June, 1985. STATEMENT List of Closed Sick Cotton Textile Mills in the Country State -wise as on 31st May. 1987. S.No State Total No. Total No. of Mills. of employees. 1 2 3 4 1. Andhra Pradesh 2 2751 2. Assam 1 1079 3. Bihar 1 500 4. Qujarat 28 46658 A. Ahmedabad City 19 38968 B. Rest of Gujarat 9 7690 5. Haryana 2 5292 6. Kamataka 6 597CJ 7. Kerala 2 1353· 8. Madhya Pradesh 13 25813 9. MaharashIrR 11. 21605 A. Bombay City 5 14011 B. Rest of Mat,arashtra 6 7594 10. Rajasthan 5 5177 213 Written Answers SRA VANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Written Answers 214 1 2 3 4 11. Tamil Nadu 27 13284 A. Coimbatore 14 6996 B. Rest of Tamil Nadu 13 6288 12. Uttar Pradesh 7 12737 13. West Bengal 4 11480 Total 99 133699 Identification of Ornamental Fish Spicas for Export (d) if so, the results thereof; and 1041. SHRI SOMNAJ"H RATH: Will the (e) the benefit India is likely to get Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to therefrom? state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Marine Products Ex- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRt P.R. port Development Authority (MPEDA) has DAS MUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. identified ornamental fish spices suitable for export; (b) A Statement is given below. (b) if so, the names of such spices: (c) Yes, Sir. (c) whether Netherland's centre for (d) and (e). Various ornamental fishes promotion of exports from developing coun- having markets abroad have been identified. tries has deputed exports to work with their The export of ornamental fishes has in- counterparts in India; creased to Rs. 9.14 lakhs during 1986-87 from Rs. 0.61 lakhs during 1984-85. STATEMENT List of Ornamental Fished Identified for Export 1 2 3 4 LBkshweep Acanthuridae Gobidae Alopiidae Holocentride Anthiidae Labridaa Apogonidae Ogocephalidae Atherinide Ostraciidae Balistidae Pemacantidae Blennid •• Pomacentridae Callyodontidae Soarida. 215 Written Answers JULY 31,1987 WrlIt." AnswetS 216 1 2 3 4 Canthigasteridae Scorpaenidae Chaetodontidae Signaida. Chremaiidae Syngnatidae Diedontidae Theraponidae Ephippiade Zanclidae Fresh Water Fishes Gold Fish Chanda Ranga Collisa Lalia Cat Fishes Stripped Macropodus Cuparms Extradition of As.as.'ns of General Valdya state: 1042. SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: Will the (a) whether Union Government pro- Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pose to take steps for the development of pleased to state: Sunderbans in West 8engal, as a tourist centre; and (8) whether the assassins of General Vaidya were recently appreh-ended in (b) if so, the financial assistance given United States; by Union Governmant in this regard? (b) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF CIVil AVIATION AND MIN- (c) whether any extradition proceed- ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF ings have been initiated to bring those crimi- TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER): (a) nals to India for prosecution? Yes, Sir THE MINISTER OF STA1 E IN THE (b) The Central Ministry of Tourism MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI has provided financial assistance of As. 7.00 K. NATWAR SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. Two lakhs to the Government of West Bengal for persons, wanted in connection with the construction of a Bare Barge for floating. assassination of Genera' Vaidya werA re- accommodation in the Sunderbans. cently apprehended in the USA. (b) On May 14, 1987, US lawenfor- Export of Spice. and Cashewnut. cement authorities put Sukhminder Singh Sandhu and Ranjit Sing Gill under detention in connection with this case. 1044. SHRr VAKKOM PURUSHO- THAMAN: Will the Minister of COMMERCE (c) Yes, Sir. be pleased to state: Development of Sunderbanl (We.t (b) 0'1. in Metric tannes Value in Rs. Crores. Exoorts 1984-85 1985-86 1986-87 Oty. Value Oty. Value Oty Value i) Spices: 89155 209.02 74500 282.52 83847 301.98 ii) Cashewnut : 35488 182.00 37333 216.77 44500 335.14 (Source: Cashew Export Promotion Council Spices Board) (c) The export during 1987-88 would There are only targets of cloth production for depend on the demand of the importing each sector to be achieved by the end of the countries and produdion in India. 7th plan period. The overall cloth production of the textile industry has gone up over the Cd) Government has recently sanc- last two years since the announcement of tioned a Scheme for market promotion in the new textile policy in June, 1985. How- West Asia and North Africa (WANA) Region ever, output of mill sector has been showing for boosting the export of Spices In that area. a down-ward trend which is being more than made up by the production coming from Target Achievement. by Mill, handloom and powerloom sectors. Powerloom and H.ndloom Sector. There is no proposal to change the over- 1045. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHO- all cloth production target of the Seventh THAMAN: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be Plan except for some intersectoral adjust- pleased to state: ments. (a) whether mill, powerloom and Textile Mills on Verge of Closure handloom sectors have already achieved their tragets for the first two years of the 1046. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: Seventh Five Year plan; and Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: (b) if so, whether targets for these sectors are being revised for the remaining (a) whether the texlile it:'dustry is fac- part of the Seventh Plan? ing serious crisis with the closure of large number of mills; THE DEPUTY MIISTER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA (b) whether many more textiles mil\S KUMAR): (8) and (b). There is no year-wise are on the verge of closure; target of cloth production for different sec- tors fixed auring the Seventh Plan period. (e) if SO, the reasons for the closure of 21 9 Written Answ.,.. JULY 31, .1987 Wrllten An,... 220 textile mills; and proposal far beautification af Chilika Lake in Orissa. BeautifICation schemes do not fall (d) the steps taken to revive those within the purview of the approved Plan mills and resolve the crisis? schemes of the Ministry of Tourism. How- ever. during the 6th and 7th Five Year Plans. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- Central financial assistance has been ex- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA tended for the following schemes at Chilika KUMAR): (a) and (b). The organised mills Lake: sector of the textile industry is presently facing cartain difficulties and 53 cotton tex- (Rso in lakhs ) tile units were lying closed (c) the amount earmarked to imple- (c) whether other defence equipment ment the beautification of scheme; and and weapons systems would similarly be thrown open to private sector? (d)'- the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- MINISTRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATll): TOURISM (SHRI JAGDISH TYTLER): (.) to (a). to (c) About 50% of the Systems re- (d). The Central Ministry of Tourism have no quired for the manufactur. of T-72 tanka in ~..21 Written Answers SRA VANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Written Answers the Ordnance Factories, have been ear- pleased to state: marked for indigenous development and production by the Civil Sedor industry which (a) the number of show-rooms of the comprises both public sector and private National Textile Corporation functioning at sector. present; This is not a departure from Govemment (b) the number of show-rooms incur- policy. The policy of the Government is that ring losses and the reasons therefor; the infrastructure and capability available in the Civil Sedor for manufadure of Defence (c) whether Government propose to items (excluding sensitive and lethal items) close the uneconomical show-rooms; and should be exploited to the maximum extent possible with a view to economising on the (d) if so, the detaiis thereof? new investments by making optimum use of available national resources. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA This policy can be followed for other non- KUMAR): (a) At present, there are 422 sensitive and non-lethal equipment and showrooms of NTC througout the country. weapon systems as well. (b) During the year 1986-87, 195 Export Target for Woollen Items showrooms incurred losses. The main rea- sons for losses are as below: 1049. SHAI YASHWANTR~O GADAKH PATIL: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be (i) Poor sales; pleased to state: (ii) higher overheads. (a> the export target for woollen items fixed for the year 1987-88; (c) and (d). There is at present no gen- eral proposal to close down unviable rat ail (b) t~e export performance during the shops of NTC. Cases for closure of individ- first quarter of the year; ual retail shops are examined from time 10 time. (C) wnetner the performance of the first quarter was according to the target, and Development of NagarJuna Sagar 8S International Tourist Centre (d) if not. the reasons therefor? 1051. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: Will THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA state: KUMAR): (a) The export target for woollen items for 1987-88 is Rs. 90 crores. (a) whether Government have taken a decision to develop Naga~una Sagar as (b) to (d). The estimated export perform- International Tourist Centre; ance during April-May, 1987, is about Rs. 16 crores which is as per the target for the first (b) if so, the details thereof; quarter of 1987-88 on pro-rata basis. (c) whether Government have de- Uneconomical Show·Rooms of cided to construct Yatri Niwas as at De- NrC verakonda in Nalgonda District of Andhra Pradesh; and 1050. SHRI YASHWANTRAO GADAKH PATIL: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be (d) if so, details if not, the reasons 223 *Iten An.... JULY 31. 1987' Wn1tenAns..,.. '224 thereon? COMMI:ACE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE <8> whether China has expra.88d a MIN~TRY OF CIVIL AVIATION AND MIN- desire to export iron ore fines as wen_Iron ISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF ore lumps; TOURISM 1060. SHRI P.A. ANTONY: Will the (b) It will not be in the public interest to Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to disclose information in this regard for the state: present. (a) whether Union Government pro- (c) and (d). They indulged in ads like pose to increase export of coffee and to killing of innocent persons, policemen, lead- ensure better prices to coffee growers; ers and workers of various parties; looting of cash/petrol pumps/shops, robberies, (b) whether Government are aware of snatching of scootersl weapons, etc. None the problems of coffee growers; and of them was declared a proclaimed offender. (c) whether the State Government of Revival/Renovation of Closed Kerala has submitted any representation on Textile Mills th, grievances of coffee growers? 1062. SHRI SYEO SHAHABUDDIN: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. state: DAS MUNSI): (a) to (c). Though no repre- sentation has been received from the State (a) the number of textile mills which Government of Kerala in the recent past, the closed down during 1986-87 and the total coffee growers are ensured remunerative number of such as on March 31, 1987; prices by way of fixation of Minimum Re- lease price and revision of export duty from (b) whether any progress has been time to time. Some of the important steps to made in revival or renovation of these IT'ills; promote coffee exports include participation in fairs and exhibitions abroad, C.C.S. on (c) the fall in the production in the mill export of Instant Coffee, duty drawback, sector during 1986-87; and sending trade delegations, etc. (d) the percentage utilisation of in- Terrorists Killed In Punjab stalled capacity during 1986-87? 1061. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: Will THE DEPUTY MINISTER ~N THE MIN- the Ministe! of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA to state: KUMAR): (8) The number of cotton textile mills which closed down during the period (a) the number of terrorists kifled in 1.4.86 to 31.3:87 was 38. There were a total Punjab during 1986-87; of 90 closed mills as on March 31. 1987. (b) names of the terrorists killed in (b) Government have set up a Nodal Punjab during April.June, 1987; Agency to examine sick ~extil. mills and to 229 Written AnswMS SRA VANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Written Answers 230 prepare and oversee the implementation of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- rehabilitation packages in respect of those ISTAY OF TEXTILES (SHRI S. KRISHNA units found to be potentially viable. Apart KUMAR): (a) and (b). The management of from this, a Textile Modernisation Fund has only one mill namely MIs. Kanti Cotton Mills, also been set up. Surenderanagar was taken over by the Union Government in Gujarat during the last (c) The fall in produaion in the mill five years. The Union Government along sactor during 1986-87 over 1985-86 was by can take over the management of textile 73 million metres. units under Section 18 AA of the Industries (Development and Regulation) Act, 1951. (d) The percentage utilisation of ca- pacity during 1986-87 was spindles: 7~k (c) MIs. Kanti Cotton Mills, Surender- and looms : 62%. anagar, was taken over on 12.10.82. It has 17,604 spindles and 3261oorns. It employs [ Trll.,slation] 1,803 persons. (d) The mill was nationalised by the Take Over of Mills In GuJarat Gujarat Government on 15.9.86. The Gujarat Govemment had spent Rs. 23.30 lakhs on its repairs and as restarting ex- "063. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN panses. RAMJIBHAI MAVANI: SHRI U.H. PATEL: (e) The mill has incurred losses of Rs. 328.22 lakhs during this period. Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: (f) The Textile Policy Statement of June, 1985, clearly lays down that take over (a) the number of mills taken over by by the Government or nationalisation of sick Government in Gujarat during the last five units does not provide solution to the prob- years; lems of sickness and the Government would not, as a rule, intervene in such cases. (b) the number of mills out of them taken over by the Government of Gujarat, [English] Central Govemment, National Textile Cor- poration and Gujarat r extile Corporation re- Export of Sea Fish spectively; 1064. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will· the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to (c) the details regarding these mills state: including the date of their taking over by Government; (a) whether it is a fact that Union Government have fixed targets for exporting (d) the amount spent on the renovation, sea fish by the end of the Seventh Plan and repairs. etc. of these mills; if so, the details thereof; (e) the economic viability of these mills (b) the actual export of sea fish during at prasaat. the number of the mills running in the last two years, wise; profit and bss separately and the amount of profit earned or loss incurred during the said (c) whether Govemment ara optimis- period; and tic to relliise export targets in view of the stagnation in production of shrimps; and (f) the number of mills proposed t9 be taken over now? (d) if so, the special efforts schemes 231 Written Answers JULY 31, 1987 Written Answers 232 undertaken to improve shrimps produc- Trom the coast; and tions? (8) if so, the steps taken to harvest THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE these rich resources? MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI): (a) Export of seafoods has THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been envisaged at Rs. 446 Crores by the MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHAI P.A. end of the Seventh Plan at 1984-85 price. DAS MUNSI): (a) Yes. Sir. (Sources: Seventh Plan 1985-90). (b) and (c). The distance at which vessels (b) Export of seafoods for the last two can operate is beyond 12 nautical miles in years ar:e as under:- the East Coast and 24 nautical miles in the West Coast from the shore The Indian a: in tonnes Coast Guard is empowered to enforce thas. V: Rs. crores restrictions. 1985-86 Q: 83651 (d) Yes, Sir. V: 398.00 (e) Promotional being steps taken to 1986-87 Q: 85843 harvest fisheries resources are V: 460.67 (I) identification of the prospective (c) and (d). Steps are being taken to foreign parties to enter into agreement with augment the marine export by increasing Indian parties for Joint ventures. production of culturred shrimp, encourage- ment of production of value added items like (ii) assistance to companies engaged ICF. setting up of Prawn Hatcharies arad in deep sea fishing by way of limited equity Prawn Seed Banks and measured for ex- participation through MPEDA. ploitation of deep sea fishing resources. (iii) assistance to entrepreneurs in ar- Joint Venture. In D.ep-Sea Fishing ranging finances by taking up cases with financial institutionslbanks. 1065. CH. RAM PRAKASH: SHRI T. BALA GaUD: Manufacture of Aircraft. Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased 1066. SHRJR.P. DAS:WilitheMinisterof. to state: DEFENCE be pleased to state: (a) whether Union Govemment have (8) whether there are any plans for decided to permit joint-ventures in deep-Sea building up a domestic aircraft manufactur- fishing involving foreign fishing companies ing industry; to use our waters; (b) if SO, the details thereof; and (b) the steps taken to ensure that these vessels fish at sufficient distance from (c) if not, the reasons for not having the coast; such a futuristic plan for the country? (c) the proposed distance at which THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE they are eligible to fish from the coast; DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- TION AND SUPPLIES IN THE MINISTRY (d) whether it is a fact that ample OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATlL): marine resources exist beyond 100 miles (a) to (c). There. already a domestic aircraft 233 Written Answers SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Wrilt,.n Answers 234 nldl1utaa"rlng Industry In the form at MIs, tie naa gIVen that. Shure Lars not. has been Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). Mis produced on which there are jottings of Mr. HAL's principal business is to design, manu- Brahma Dutt which are contradictory to what facture, repair and overhaul various types of he said in Parliament here ...... aircraft, helicopters and related aero-en- gines, avionics, instruments and accesso- ( Interruptions) ries. Its wide product mix ranges from rotary and fixed wing aircraft of indigenous design MR. DEPUlY -SPEAKER: Nothing will to licence manufacture, jet and piston en- go on record. I have already told that we will gines to power them, and matching avionics find out the facts. and acoossories. ( Interruptions) Some proposals have also been re- ceived for grant of licence for the manufac- ture of aircraftlhelicopters in the private MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing is sector. going on record. Nothing is allowed. 12.00 hr •. ( Interruptions) [English] MR. DEPUlY-SPEAKER: I will find out the facts and let you know. ( Interruptions) (Intsrruptions) SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO (Vijayawada): Sir, I have given a privilege PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: This is a motion. fit case for privilege. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura). MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It has already We have given privilege notices. been referred for findinca out the facts. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI (Adilabad): SHRI V. SOBHANADReeSWARA We have given a number of notices of RAO: I have given a notice of breach of breach of privilege. privilege against the Minister of Defence .... PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will go japur): We have given these privilege mo- through it and I will find out the fads. tions which are supported with documentary evidence in the case of Bofores and Fairfax SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: How much deal ...... (Interruptions) tim a will you take? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Acharia. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We will find what you have given has already been re- out the fads. We are not interested in mak- ferred for finding out facts. ing any delay. Why do we want to make any delay? SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: How much time will1t taka, Sir? SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Three days back, we gave it. MR. DEPUTV-SPEAKER: Wa will find out. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: As soon as W8 gat the information, I wH11et you know. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Even before the opening of Parliament Session, ( IntemJDtions} Not raoorded. 235 Wriften Answers JULY 31, 1987 Wr/It." An,... 238 PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Before tions) Sir, have you •••n the Bhure Lal's the beginning of the Parliament Session we notings? ~ Interruptions) had given the notices. (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We have re- SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): I ferred ittothe Minister for facts. I will find out. have given a notice of breach of privilege against Mr. Brahma Dutt on the basis of PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Hai8 documents which have been produced and you seen· Bhure tal's notings? copy has been supplied here to the Secretar- iat. ... ~R. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will find out. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI (Guwahati): I SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: This can be have also given a notice. inquired into only by the Privileges Commit- tee. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will find out. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Shri SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: In a noting, in Indrajit Gupta has referred to the particular his ONn handwriting. he has oontradicted point-Shri Brahma Dutt jotting on Mf. what he said in the House that Fairfax com- Bhure Lal's note? He has actually confirmed pany had not been engaged. He said in the that Fairfax was engaged, whereas here he House, Fairfax did not have the status of gave the untruth that it was not engaged. even a servant, a naukar. (Interruptions) This is a breach of privilege. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We will find SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: What are you out. finding out! please let us know. We are prepared to wait, if you kindly tell us what you PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: It is very are trying to find out. We are entitled to know serious. He has been untruthful to the what you are tryinp to find out. House. (/"terruptions) 'Let us clinch this issue. We cannot leave it like that. MR. DEPUTY- SPEAKER: I will let you know early. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI : We have given a notice of breach of privilege against PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Even Mr. Brahma Dutt. He has made certain Swedish Audit Bureau did not take so much comments to the hone Speaker that they did time. You are taking eo much time. Long not engage Fairfax. That has been proved to before the Parliament Session began, we be untrue. Therefore, I do not know what gave the notice against Shri Brahma Dutt further comments should be asked for. The and against Prime Minister. matter should now go to the Privileges Committee. [ Translation] MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will find out. SHRI SULTAN SALAHUDDIN OWAISI (Hyderabad): People wefe killed in bus in PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I had Meerut. The Gavt. should tell us about It. initiated that discussion and in the reply, he said .•.... (/nt.rruf1ions) [English} MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Professor, I MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Business assure you, I will find out the facts. Advisory Committee has recommended a discussion on communal disturbances and PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: There we are going to discuss communal riots. At cannot be a greater untruth ...... (/ntsrrup- that time, we will take up this matter. 237 Written Answers SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Written Answers 238 (InterruptIOns) (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Sait- SHRI T. BASHEEA (Chirayinkil): I had uddin Ghowdhary. given a notice of privilege against Mr. Ram Jethmalanl for the article in the Indian Ex- ( Interruptions) press "Programme for the Current Session-. It infringes the rights of the Members. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY (Katwa): You called me. But you do not listen MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will find out. to me. Why don't you listen to me? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I called you. SHRI T. BASHEER: It undermines the But you did not speak. So I called another status of the House. Member. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Already your ( Interruptions) notice has been disallowed. SHRI BASUDEB ACh.-\RIA: How much time will you take? (/nt9rruotions ) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Already we PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, will had sent reminders. We will send one more you tell us the time-table for disposing of the reminder. privilege motion7 SHAI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Documen- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will find out. tary evidence is there. ( Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE:We have produced documents. SHAI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT (Manjeri): Killings are taking place in Meerut and other places. Government is Jitting si- SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: How much lent. Babri Masjid issue is there. time will you take? By Monday, will you give your decision? ( Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I want to in- form you that already I have told Mr. Banat- walla yesterday when he raised it that we are PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Will you going to discuss the communal riots soon kindly lend your ears to us? and at that time this matter can be raised. Therefore, do not insist on it now. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I always lend ( Interruptions) my ears. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE:WiII you have given notice of privilege against certain assure us that by Monday, you will give us Opposition Members who were aquatting your ruling ? here in the well of the House. You have to give your ruling on the privilege notice agan- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER:Without find .. ist the Members of the Opposition parties ingoutfacts, I cannot assure anything .. Now, who squatting here. What is your rul- were Papers to be laid. ing? 239 Papers Laid JULY 31, 1987 Papers Laid 240 12.06 hr•. Notifications Under Customs Act and Under Centra. Excise Rul •• [Eng/ish] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARy): I beg to lay on Notification Under Governor. the Table- (Emoluments, Allowanca. and Prlvl- lega.) Act (1 ) A copy each of the following Noti-fica- tions (Hindi and English versions) THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S. under sadion 159 of the Customs BUTA SINGH): I beg to lay on the Table a Act, 1962:- copy of the Governors, (Allowances and Privilages) Amendment Rules, 1987 (Hindi (i) G.S.R. 581 (E) published in Ga- and English versions) publised in Notifica- zette of India dated the 17th June, tion No. G.S.R. 532(E) in Gazette of Ind;a 1987 together with an explanatory dated the 29th May, 1987 under sub-section memo-randum regarding exemption (3) of section 13 of the Governors '(Emolu- to polyur-ethanes leather when Im- ments, Allowances and Privileges) Act, ported into India for use in the manu- 1982 . [Placed in Library. See No. LT -45231 facture of footballs from the whole of 87.) the basic and additional duties of cus- Notification Under Goa, Daman and toms leviable thereon. Diu Reorgan1satlon Act (ii) G.S.R. 637(E) published in Ga- zette of India dated the 2nd July, 1987 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE together with an explanatory memo- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI randum making certain amendments CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI): I beg to lay on to Notification No. 179186-Customs the Table a copy of the Goa, Daman and Diu dated the 1st March, 1986 so as to Reorganisation (Removal of Difficulties) delete three chemicals viz Hexam- Order No. 1 (Hindi and English versions) ethyl Dichforosilane, Bismethyl silyl published in Notification No. S.O. 578(E) in Urea, N-Methyl Piprazine from the Gazette of India dated the 12th June, 1987 scope of notification which exempt under sUb-section (2) of section 71 of the specified drug intermediates from Goa, Daman and Diu Reorganisation Act, countervailing duty of customs. 1987. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-45241 87.] (iii) G.S. R. 641 (E) and 642(E) pub- lished in Gazette of India dated the Annual Report and Accounts of Indian 3rd July, 1987 together with an ex- Soclaty of Intarnatlonal Law, New planatory memorandum regarding Dalhl for 1985-86 exemption to scientific and technical instruments, apparatus and equip- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ments, including spare parts and MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI component parts thereof but exclud- ing consumable items required for K. NAlWAR SINGH): I beg to lay on the research purposes by Mis. Hindus- Table copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and a tan Aeronautics Limited from the English versions) of the Indian Society of basic customs duty in excess of 25 International Law, New Delhi, for the year per cent ad valorem and from the 1985-86 along with Accounts. [Placed in whole of the additional and auxiliary Lbrary. SfI(J No. LT-4525/87] I duties of customs leviable thereon. 241 P,.,.,. Laid SRA VANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Papers Laid 242 (iv) G.S.R. 648(E) published in Ga.. available to eellulose triaeetate and zette of India dated the 7th July, 1987 cellulose triacetats films and pre- together with an explanatory memo- scribe instead.an ad Valorem rats of randum making certain amendments duty aJ 10 per cent. to Notification No. 124186-Customs dated the 17th Fabruary, 1986 so as (iv) G.S.R. 614(E) published in Ga .. to replace ad valorem duties on Dry zette of India dated the 30th June, Dates by specific rates. 1987 together with an explanatory memo·randum regarding exemption (v) G.S.R. 649(E) published in Ga- to gases which are allowed to escape zatte of India dated the 7th July, 1987 into the atmosphere by flare system together with an explanatory memo- or other-wise from the whole of the randum making certain amendments duty of excise leviable thereon. to Notification No. 206187 -Customs dated the 12th May, 1987 so as te (v) G.S.R. 655(E) published in Ga .. exempt dry dates excluding seedless zette of India dated the 10th July. from the levy of auxiliary duty of 1987 together with an explanatory customs. [Placed in Library. 598 No. memo-randum regarding exemption LT-4526/87.] to all goods which are manufactured in workshops situated within the pre- A copy each of the foHowing Not-ifica .. cincts of mines and also are intended tions (Hindi and English versions) for use in the repair of maintenance of issued under the Central Excise machinery used in mines from the Rules, 1944;- whole of the duty of excise leviable thereon. [Placod in Library. 588 No. (i) G.S.R. 573 (E) published in Ga- LT .. 4527/87.] zatte of India dated the 12th June, 1987 together with an explanatory Notification Under Central Reserve mamorandum making certain Po lice Force Act amendments to NotHication No. 2211 86-CE'dated the 2nd April, 1986 so as S. BUTASINGH: I beg to layonthe Table to exempt Enamel frit from the whole a copy of the Central Reserve Police Force of the duty of excise leviable thereon. (Amendment) Rules, 1987 (Hindi and Eng- lish versions) published in Notification No. (ii) G.S.R. 579(E) published in Ga- G.S.A. 289(E) in Gazette of India dated the zette of India dated the 17th June, 25th April. 1987 issued under section 18 of 1987 'together with an explanatory the Central Reserve Police Force Act. 1949. memo-randum making certain [Placed in Library. 598 No. LToo 4528/87.] amendments to Notification No. 381 87 -CE dated the 1st March, 1987 so Notification Under Imports and as to extend concessional excise Exports (Control) Act duty (duty charg .. eable only on job charges) to platinum ingots recov .. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LCOMMERCE (SHRI P.R. ered from spent catalysts. DAS MUNSI): I beg to lay on the Table- (iii) G.S.R. ~80(E) published in Ga- (1 ) A Copy each of the following Notifica- zette of India dated the 17th June, tions (Hindi and English versions) 1987 together with an explanatory issued under section 3 of the Imports memo-randum making certain and Exports (Control) Ad. 1947:- amend-ments to Notification No. 1321 88-CE dated the 1st March. 1986 so (i) The Exports (Control) Eighth • to withdraw the fuD ex.motion 243 PBD9rs Laid JULY 31,1987- _. B.O.H. 244 Amendment.Ordar 1987 published in directing that commOdities specified in the Notification No. S.O. 27S(E) in Ga- Schedule annexed to the notification shall zette of India dated the 1st April. be packed in jute packaging material for 1987. supply or distribution in such minimum per- centage as specified in the said schedule (ii) The Exports (Control) Ninth with effeet from 1st June. 1987 under sub- Amendment Order, 1987 published section (2) of section 3 of the Jute Packaging in Notification No. S.O. 454(E) in Materials (Compulsory Use in Packing Gazette of India dated the 1st May r Com mLdities) Act, 1987. [Placed in Library 1987. See No LT-4530/87.] (iii) S.O. 488(E) published in Gazette of India dated the 15th May, 1987 making certain amendments in the 12.08 hrs. Open General Licence No. 11/87 BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE dated the 1st April, 1987. [Eng/ish] (iv) S.O. 489(E) publisbed in Gazette THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of India dated the 15th May, 1987 MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AF- making certain amendment~ in the FAIRS (SHRIMATI SHEILA DIKSHIT): With Open General Licence No. 16/87 dated the 1st April, 1987. your permission. Sir, I rise to announce that Government Business in this House during the week commencing Monday, the 3rd (v) S.D. 559(E) published in Gazette of India dated the 4th June, 1987 August, 1987, will consist of:- making certain amendments in Open (1) Further consideration of the motion General Licence No. 16/87 dated the 1st April, 1987. regarding appointment of a Joint Committee to enquire into issues arising from the Report of the Swed- (vi) S.O. 626(E) published in Gazette ish National Audit Bureau on the of India dated the 24th June, 1987 Bofors contract. making certain amendments in Open General Licence No. 1/87 dated the (2) Consideration of any item of Govern- 1st April. 1987. ment Business carried over from today's Order Paper. (vii) S.O. 627(E) published in Gazette of India dated the 24th June, 1987 (3) Discussion on the Resolutions making certain amendments in Open seeking disapproval of the following General Licence No. 3/87 dated the Ordinances together with considera- 1st April, 1987. [Placed in Library See tion and passing of the Bills in re- No. LT- 4529/87.] . placement of them: .. Notification Under Jute Packaging (a) The Conservation of Foreign Ex- Materials (Compulsory Use In change and Prevention of Smugg- Packing Commod!tlas) Act ling Activities(Amendment) Ordi- nance, 1987. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- (b) The National Security (Amend- ISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHAI S. KRISHNA ment) Ordinance, 1987. KUMAR): I beg to lay on the Table a copy of (4) Consideration and passing of the Air the Order (Hindi and English versions) pub- (Prevention and Control of Pollution) lished Notification No. S.O. 539(E) in Ga- zeUs of India dated the 29th May, 1987 Amendment Bill. 1987. 245 B.O.H. SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) B.O.H. 248 PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- (Interruptions) japur): At leut give us an assurance that on Monday you will tell us as to what has hap- PRO!=. MADHU DANDAVATE:Wewant paned to our Privilege Motion against Shri to know whether it is the hand-writing of a Brahma Dutt and Prime Minister. Why don't CIA Agent or ••••... you giye us an assurance? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing goes MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Sir. I am tel'- "' on record. ing you that after finding out all tha facts, I will lat you know. Without getting the facts, how ( Interruptions) •• can I say whether I will give the ruling on Monday? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I told you that PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: What is I will find out the facts. I cannot assure you anything now. the use of giving notices if they are not evan seen? (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Wa have al- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: is not ready sent reminders. It fair. PROF. MADHU nANDAVATE: Can we ( Intetr'Jptions) expect any ruling from you or from the hone Speaker on Monday? MR. DEPU1Y-SPEAKER: Now Shri Somnath Rath to make his submission. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That. I can- Nothing goes on record except the Submis- not assure you. sion of Shri Somnath Rath. I cannot allow any dialogue. (Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: What is the objection? Is he against a time-bound SHRI SOMNATH RATH (Aska) : Sir, programme for Privilege Motion? Tourism, being a labour-intensive industry it requires less capital and it is a number one MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No. Foreign Exchange aarner in the country today. Apart from cultural tourism, wHd-life tourism and adventure tourism should g~t encouragement. This is the only sector which' can provide the highest rural-urban PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: This is linkage. . not fair. We do not want to cast aspersions on you. But you should assure us as to when From time immemorial, Orissa has at- the Privilege notices will be taken up. tracted pilgrims and visitors from every oor- nar of India. Orissa has proved irr.listable to ( Interruptions) the pilgrims and tourists. The visitors are coming to Orissa not only for the purpose of SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): AU visiting places of pilgrimage but also to 18. what )fOu have to find out from Shri Br~hma the exotic art and architecture. h is rather Dutt is whether the fumished note is in his appropriate to say that Orissa is a Paradi~ own hand-writing or whether it is a forgery. for International Tourists. Find It out Jaugada in the Southem part of Orissa is MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will find out. an important piace of historical interest. The Not recorded. 247 B.O.H. JULY 31. 1987 B.O.H. 248 {She Samnattl Rathl besides promoting tourism. Government of India should come in a big way to explore extensively Jaugada. The [Eng/ish] rock edicts and the historical relic would unfold new dimensions in the realm of our SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA (Balasore): I rich past. request that the following be included in the agenda for the next week commencing from As Orissa has unique tourist spots, 3-8-87. Bhubaneswar-the Capital of Orissa-should be an International Airport. I had taken initia- Even though the Union Government is tive for the air service from Bhubaneswar to spending thousands of crores of rupees Port Blair. I would urge upon Govemment of every year for import of edible oil with the India to take steps for hopping of Vayudoot pious intention that the poor and the eco- at Rangailunda for the benefit of the public of nomically backward people may be bene- South Orissa during its flight between Shu- fited and to arrest the high price rise of baneswar and Jeypore and back. indigenously produced edible oils which (Trans/ation ] became a rare commodity for the common man due to its high price, yet, it is ineffedive SHRI MANKURAM SOOI (Bastar): Mr. due to faulty and ineffective public distribu- Deputy Speaker, Sir, the following item may tion system. Deserving persons, specially be included in the business for the next poor people in rural areas, are not getting week. imported edible oil like palmolive, etc. Be- Sides', the Union Government, instead of There is a lot of scope for tourism devel- increasing the allotment of such imported opment in Madhya Pradesh. Even today, oils to the States, is reducing it from the tourists are not able to see many tourist month of March, 1987, resulting in various spots of Madhya Pradesh while many other difficulties to the economically backward states have made oonsiderable progress in States. The allocation of such imported oil this regard. It has become a source of should be enhanced to States like Orissa, income for them and is contributing to their Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, etc., where the economic development. The development percentage of population below poverty line of road transport that has taken place so far is more. has also not been able to connect all the tourist places of this state. It we are able to Some of the passenger and express train give more attention towards providing road services in various zonal railways were links, we can ensure rapid tourism develop- stopped in the month of January, 1987, for ment in Madhya Pradesh. army movements. But for reasons best known to the railway authorities, some of Recently, State administration has de- such train services including 37 and 38 cided to grant the status of an industry to Howrah-Madras Janata Express and 397 tourism and certainly. it will ensure the devel- and 398 Asansol-Puri Passenger of S. E. opment of tourism. However, little attention Railway have not been resumed causing has been paid to the development of much hardship and difficulties to all sections Chhatisgarh region. Vayudoot Service for of rail-users. This action of the railway au- the tourist places there had been approved thorities is inviting various troubles and agi- but it ha. not started yet. tations like 'Rail-Roko Andolan' etc., in Kharagpur-Bhadrak section where about 80 The Central Government ;s requested to per cent of the Railway Stations have been take effective action to start the Vayudoot deprived of availing of a train to travel within service urgently. H Bastar is connected by 9-10 hours. Vayudoot service, it will pave the way for exploitation of the vast natural wealth avail- Considering the genuine difficulties able there and help development of industry faced by millions of rail-users every day, 249 B.O.H. SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) B.O.H. 250 these train services should be resumed [Eng/ish] forthwith. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): DR. G.S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur): I request that the following may be included in request that the. following be included in the the next week agenda:- next week's agenda:- (i) It is a known fact that the CIA have Whereas a large portion of the CX)untry is been trying to do their best to destabilise the reeling under drought, it is ironical that the democratically elected Government in the Mithila region of north Bihar is again ravaged country. In recent years they have been by floods. It is an annual feature there and found to be very adive in developing coun- the miseries of the people are beyond de- tries. Recent documentary proof published scription. by a Bombay weekly is a further concrete proof of the designs of such agencies. These The recurring floods in the Mithila region and other related matters should be dis- are primarily due to the fact that most of the cussed in a systematic manner so that the rivers originate in Nepal and there is no people of this country, who by and large may barrage or reservoir in that country to check not be aware of the evil designs of the the flow of water into north Bihar. outside forces, who, many a time use inter- nal forces too are kept fully informed of the The main tributaries of the Ganga in fads. Bihar are the Gandak, the Burhi Gandak, the Kosi, the B~gmati and the Mah~nanda. The (ii) There was a report the other day that Ganga is the main water drain in the State. a Chinese baloon landed in Sambalpur in Usually it remains in high spate in the mon- Orissa and allegedly distributed chooolates, soon and blocks the drainage of tributaries. sweets and some Chinese literature. Police Since 85 per cent of the catchment area of were reportedly, inquiring into the matter. the Ganga and its tributaries in north Bihar is This matter is quite serious one and should outside the State, the flood control meas- be discussed in the House, next week. ures within the State cannot provide full protedion to Bihar. For this, the Central [ Translation] Government should take initiative so that there is inter-State regulation of rivers and SHRI K.N. PRADHAN (Bhopal): Due to an understan.ding is reached with Nepal to uncertainty of monsoon many parts of the controlthese rivers at the pointoftheirorigin. country including eighty per cent area of Madhya Pradesh are in severe drought ( Translation) condition. Shortage of drinking water an_d fodder has made these conditions more criti- SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL (Kota): cal. It is for the first time that we have seen Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a demand drought in the month of Sravana. from different States for radical changes in Land Reforms Laws. The Union Govern- Whole of the State of Madhya Pradesh is ment- should motivate the State Govern- facing acute drinking water shortage. Drink .. ments for bringing about basic changes in ing water was supplied by tankers at many their respective land reforms laws. Many big places in summer. Now the situation is wors- Jamindars are still holding agricultural land ening and more villages will have to be beyond the ceiling because of certain lacu- provided drinking water. The situation in nae in the laws and posses ions of surplus cities is also not good. The capital of the land allotted to landless people has not been State, Bhopal. which is called the city of given in millions of cases. The Union Gov- ponds is also facing serious water problem. ernment should come forward and use its The watertable had never gone down to good offices in getting thaland reforms laws. such a extent in the living memory and half of amended. the ponds have dried up. Htimely adion is 251 B.O.H. JULY 31,1987 B.O.H. 252 rsh. K. N. Pradhan] the like. Multiplicity of grades is also against not taken the people of Bhopal will start the general policy followed hitherto. The leaving the city. Migration of population from government has als:> to etlsure simultane- villages has already started. During the first ous implementation of pay-scales through- rains appro~imately sixty percent land was out the country. It is distreSSing that some sowed. But It is feared that the same will also States had refused to implement even 1973 get destroyed. U.G.C. scales. The central government Madhya Pradesh suffered badly due to should provide 100% assistance to states. rev~sion drought, floor1s and hailstorm during 1984- The pay should be extended to librarians and disrectors of physical educa- 85, 85-86 and 86-87 also. Eve., after Central assistance the State had to do a lot of tion. too. It will be most unfortunate if our exercise. :t is estimated that atle.st twelve teachers are compelled to go on strike for !heir just demands. Negotiations must be cmre of ruPf:es per month will have to be immediately started for an amicable solu- spent on .relief works alone. Therefore, be Central Government should ;mmediately tion. The matter immediately discussed. give financial help to the State Government [ Translation] and also arrange for one lakh tonnes of cereals per month. it should also provide SHRI HARIS~; RAWAT (Almora): Mr. financial assistance for arranging drinking Deputy Speaker, Sir, while welcoming the water and supply rigs in large number along business for the next week announced by with drilling machines. the Minister for Parliamentary Affairs I want that the following items may also be included [Eng/ish] in the list. SHRI G.M. BANAlWALLA (Ponnani): , (1) The fatal attack on the Prime Minister request that the follow.mg may be included in Sri Lanka has once again proved in the next week agenda:- this apprehensions that some inter- national powers are conspiring. to More than 7,000 junior engineers and liquidate the leadership in India and 200 sectional officers of the horticulture wing to create chaos and destablity and of the CPWD are on strike since July 14, thereby diSintegrate the countrf. 1987. They are agitating for a reasonable Therefore, a discussion is necessary pay scale and better promotional avenues. It in the House on this issue. is shocking that many CPWO junior engi- 'leers have been working without any pro- (2) The pharmacists under Delhi Admini- motion for the last 26 years while CPWD stration and N.D. Municipal Comtnit- manual provides for at least one promotion tee have been on strike for a long in eight years' service. The government has period over their justified demands resorted to Essential Services Maintenance and are holding demonstrations at Act. tnstead of confrontation, the situation different places. The Delhi Admini- r~htly demands that negotiations be started stration is not prepared to accept t: leir with the striking junior gngineers for a just genuine demands. Therefore, this and amicable settlement. The matter be issue also needs to be discussed in discussed without delay. the House. [Eng/ish] ~.ar1y 2. ~ lakh of university and college teachers in the country are going on strike THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE from August 4. 1987. They are agitating MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AF· against multiplicity of grades, abo1ition of FAIRS (SHRIMATI SHEILA DIKSHIT): Sir, promotional prospects, perpetuation of in- I heard with at: ant ion the various subjects of ter-state differences in pay structures and public importance that the Members have 253 B.O.H. SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) National Security 254 (Amdt.) Bill raised. We will try and put in as many as we Punjab of the Union Territory of Chandi- -can. garh·. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA(Bankura): SHRI INDRA.JlT GUPTA (Basirhat): I Are you allowing a discussion on the Junior wish to oppose the introduction of this Bill. It Engineers'strike? may be asked that why do you object to a Bill which is meant to strengthen the capacity of SHRIMATI SHEILA DIKSHIT; We will the administration to deal with terrorism. Sir, look into it. we have been seeing overthe past few years that this Government is by steps taking lag- SHAI INORAtrr GUPTA: Is the Home isiative measures, a number of them, tight- Minister making any statement on the kill- ening up the security regulation and every ings in Delhi yesterday of two Councillors? time these Bills are brought before the House, the explanation given is that unless AN HON. MEMBER: Yesterday he made these powers are given to the police and the the Statement. administration, it will not be able to curb the activities of the terrorists. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Is he adding anything further to it? It is rather a m .ltter of irony I should say that this Bill is being introduced today by the SHRt BASUDEB ACHARIA: He should Hon. Minister witt1in a few hours of the ~atest repeat it because we were not here in the exploits by these terrorists-not of course in House. Punjab or Chandigarh, ~ their extended activities which have now become a more or SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: Has any devel- less regular feature in the capital city also. opment taken place, has anybody been ar- Only yesterday in broad day light one Coun- rested, identified? It is a serious matte", cillor ard the brother of another CounciHor were gunned down in South Delhi. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (S.BUTA SINGH): In my statement I have We all know what has happened. It has already mace it clear that we have been able happened in previous cases also. The police to get the identification fo one of the possible is never fAble either to catch anybody or evan assailants and one person has been appre- to arrive at the scen. of the crime within a hended. He;s being interrogated. reasonable short time. Yesterday also people there have complained-as we see in the Press as they had complained a month ago when a mass killing of people took place in Greater Kailash area at some birth-day NAT10NAL SECURITY (AMENDMENT ) party-that the police tumed up aftar one BILL· hour, after one and a half hours or after two THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS hours. (S.BUTA SINGH): Sir, I beg to move for Therefore, I would like to ask whether lea"-. to introduce a Bill further to amendthe these terrorist outrages which are mounting National Security Act, 1980 in its application everyday are due to the fact that the admini- to the State of Punjab and the Union stration and police have not got enough Territory of Chandigarh. legislative powers to control them or to curb them. Is that the reason? We have got Dis- Mft DEPUTY.. SPEAKER: Motion turbed Areas Ad, National Security Ad, moved: Prevention of Terrorist Activities Act and so -That leave be granted to introduce a Bill many Ads which I don't remember. There is further to amend the National Security already a whole armoury of legislations. But Act. 1980 in its application to the State of I am saying that this legislation is useless so • Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part-II, Section 2, dated 31.7.1987, 255 National Security JULY 31.1987 (Amdt.) 811 256 [Sh, IndraJit Gupta] convinced from taka which I had WI,th 8lkh long as your administration is so inefficient friends and even those who are not pro- and your intelligence system is utterly use- extremists they have alao begun to balleve it lass. The intelligence system is failing com- at least partly. This is the propaganda which pletely. No amount of laws you pass in is going on that innocent youth are being Parliament are going to remedy that situ- tortured, harassed and killed. ation. This ;s only an effort by the Govern- ment to try to show to the people in the Sir, as you know recently when mas- country that they are very serious in the sacre of the bus passengars took place in matter of cnmbating terrorism. Haryana and Punjab a note was left s'Wing that if you continue to kill innocent Sikh youth Sir, I would like to point out here that in a then they will take revenge and kill 500 statement given by the Government in an- people for every innocent Sikh youth killed. swer to a question they have said that during This propaganda is going on. It has pene- the period from 12th May 1987 to 25th July trated into the minds of a large section of that 1987- that means a little more than 2 112 community. Therefore, when we bring thase months-233 persons inclu~ing 22 police- Bills we should at least try to see whether men were killed due to terrorist activities in something can be dona her•. I am not pre- Punjab. This Bill meant to be applied to the parad to give a guarantee for the police that State of Punjab and the Union territory of out of 100 cases there is not a single case of Chandigarh. Thase figures that the Govern- mistaken identity or innocent fellow- not ment has given in the statement 'show as to deliberately perhaps- being arrested, tor- what is the scale of these terrorist activities, tured and harassed. how they have ina-eased and spread over n8W araas. Of course, the Bill does not take Sir, the only safeguard in this Preventive into account the fact that Delhi itself has Detention Ad is this provision for review by become an arena for terrorists coming from the Advisory Committee which is included in Punjab to come and operate here. the NSA also. This is the only legislative provision providing some safeguard against PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): Bacause mistaken identity or harassment of innocent of too much pressure over there, they say. people. Advisory Committee is set-up by the Government. It consists of judg8s-eith8r sit- SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: So this Bill in ting or retired judges. There is no reason my opinion is completely useless. All it is why Government should have any suspicion going to do is to tighten up cartain security about the Advisory Committee appointed by regulations which are not implementabte at itself. What do I find in this Bill which the aRe Minister is now introducing? In this BHI, the powers and the activitie$ Of the Advisory I would like to say one more thing. Sardar Committee are sought to be further r. Buta Singh knows that one of the factors strictad and curbed. You are trying to restrict which is being utilised to instigate and in- and curb the activities of terrorists. But in this flame the minds of the Sikh boys in Punjab to Bill you are restricting the arena and the r880rt to these acts of terrorism is the con- powers of the Advisory Committee itself by tinuous propaganda carried on by the Ex- saying ..... tremists in. Punjab including thosa insida the Golden Temple that a large number of inno- SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK(Panaji): cent Skh youth are being arrested, tortured Point of order, Sir, at tha introductory stage, and even kHIed by the Police. That is what the scope of the discussion i8 very limited. they are saying. Of course, this has baen MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: You make a contradicted several times by the Govern- brief statement. ment and police sida also. Mr. Ribario said two days ago that no innocent youth is being SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Are you dis- tortured and harassed. Nevertheless I an'( cussing the m.it. of the Bill or what? 257 National Security SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA). (Amdt.) Bil 258 \Vhatharthe House. competam or not is the to change this. Please note this, Sir, that onlyqueationtobes88natthisstag8.Butthe inst.ad of .,hree weeks· from the date of hone Member is discussing the merits of the detention, they want to make it 'Within four Bill. months and two weeks·. -Four months and two weeks" shall be substituted. What is the MR. DEP.UTY -SPEAKER: Guptaji, point in this, I cannot understand. You don't please be brief. even want these detenus to be produced before the Advisory Board which is consti- SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I don't know tuted by you. Let the Advisory Board go into why the hon'ble Member is doing that. Hthe each case and decide. Then at least we have hon'ble Member wants to become the pre- something to tell these people who are siding officer of the House, he should apply continually saying that all innocent youth are to Mrs. Dikshit or somebody. I don't know to being harassed, arrested and all that. But whom so long as you are there, Sir. you are saying something here which will only antagonise people more and add fuel to We are not talking something which is the fire. It will help the terrorists. It will not go irrelevant. It is very important as it is affecting against them. Therefore, Sir, I am against the liberty of citizens .... (/nts"uptions) .. .I am this Bill because such Bills are quite useless only pointing out that in the National Security - it is being proved-in controlling the situ- Act-as it stands at present before amend- ation. . ment-it says that: Let them improve their inteHigence sys- • .•. the appropriate Government tem. Let them teach their administration and shall, within three weeks from the police to behave in a way which is required. date of detention of a person under Without that, all that is happening is that the the order. place before the Advisory terrorist activities are spreading all the'time. Board constituted by it ....the grounds Now, the people in Delhi are living in terror. on which the order has been Previously it was a matter of Punjab. Now made ..... • nobody knows in Delhi whose life win go the next day. And what is done about it? Just by MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Guptaji, mer- passing this Bill, they are not going to im- its of the Bill cannot be discussed here. prove matters at all. I know this Amending Anything regarding the competence of the Bill this will be passed because they have House to legislate can only be discussed majority. But this will not satisfy anybody just hera. like saying that we are going to hold elec- tions in Haryana. So. we are putting Punjab SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Merits or the under President's Rule as the people will feel competence of the House is not the ques- more secure. But what is the response of the tion. terrorists. to that? We know and we saw what happened. Therefore. they should not MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You can dis- try the short-cut method. It is not going to cuss other things at the time of consideration help. I am pleading. Sir, that the Advisory of the Bfli. Board's powers to review these cases of detenus should be enlarged instead of being SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: It is a funda- restricted so that we can answe, the propa- menta' question affecting the liberty of the ganda of the extremists that every case is citizens of this country. baing looked into impartially by an Advisory Board of judges. And only if they are con- Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No. no. You vinced that man should be detained, then can discuss the Bill when the debate comes they are confirming the order of detention. up. Otherwise, they are recommending his re- lease. But you are going in the opposite SHRIINDAAJITGUPTA: Now they want direction. This will only and fuel to the fir•. 259 National Securitv JIJLY 31, 1987 IAmdt.) BiU [Sh. IndraJ,t Gupta] ernmant have the will to contain and curb the Therefore, I am' opposi ng th is Bill add it terrorist and communal forces and , not should not be introduced. Let them recon- compromise with any such forces, and hon- sider it. estly implement them, the Government can sufficiently do it with the weapons that ·are MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please be already there in our laws. The failure of the brief. I don't want you to discuss the merits of Government is there because they have the the Bill. lack of political will. SHRI HANNAN MOlLAH (Uluberia\: Sir. In view of what I have stated, I oppose the I oppose t:'e introduction of this Bill because introduction of this Bill. mainly I agree with the points rais8d by my SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura): esteemed colleague, ~J1r. Indrajit Gupta. What I want to say is that in our country there Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I oppose the intro- is no lack of rules, laws, regulations, etc., to duction of the National Security (Amend- cul"b the activities of the extremists or crim i- ment) Bill. I oppose this ae; this Bill violates Article of the Constitution relating to the nals. But the lack of will is there. That is 22 fundamental rights of citizen. proved again and again. Whenever there is a a failure on the part of Government or When the original Bill was introduced Administration, they come before the and passed in the" 7th Lok Sabha, we all Hcuse. With their majority, they bulldoze opposed it at that time. We observe that this some Acts or pass some Bills. They promise type of legislative measures would not help that with that weapon every undesirable to curb these terrorist activities, rather this thing will be eliminated and everything will be measure would be misused. We have seen okay even when the ink has not dried up, it time and again that the State Government starts to show its failure and it has been have misused the National Security Act proved umpteen times that it is not the lack even to curb trade union activities as wc:.S of our Acts, but it ::; the lack of will on the part done in the year 1981 to curb the railway of the administration and Government, workers' strike. which is responsible for failure and this is the story all over the country, specially in the There are already a number of draconian terror:ststricken places like Punjab etc. We measures, black Acts in the hands of are now told that because there is pressure Govermment, like the Anti-Terrorist activi- in Punjab, therefore, it is spreading outside ties Act, Disturbed Areas Act, Essential PLnjab. This cannot be an argument. It is, in Services Maintenance Ad and the National fact, surrender before the terrorist activities. Security Act. In spite of all these measures, It is going on every day. Sir, you are also an the Government is not able to curb the elected representative of the people like the activities, rather it has been admitted that Councillor, Metropolitan Council. He was there had been no improvement in the sitting in front of his house and was killed. effective prevention of these activities and I Like that anybody can walk into anybody's doubt whether with this amendment, the house and kill him. Can the Government Government wi1l be able to curb the terrorist guarantee that such amendment, or the activities which are now spreading beyond draconian laws already in existence would Punjab to Delhi and other places. the be able to curb these things. Our objection President's rule was imposed on 11th May. basically is that the attitude of the Govern- Now it is under Central Rule. In spite of that. ment is to constantly erode the fundamental we have seen from 12th May to 25th July, rights of the people and they have always that 23 persons (including 22 policemen) aone that on one plea or the other. They were killed. So, by imposing President's have always taken the denlocratic rights of Rul~ in Punjab, situation has not been im- the people and have failed to curb the proved and I also doubt that this piece of extremist activites. We think that if the Gov- legislation to increase the period of deten· 261 National Security SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) (Amdt.) Bill 262 tion, without trial, without taking advice or has been laid by Mr.lndrajitGupta. How can opinion of the advisory council. without giv- you answer to that allegation that the person ing any information about the ground of has been taken in the custody and the detention, from 10 days to 15 days will help a~thorities are not partial? And can Govern- the Government to curbtheseterroristactiv- ment tell us that those who have already ity. So, Government should not introduce been in the custody for ccmmitting various this Bill and rather take other administrative offences, what kind of prosecution has been and political measures to solva the problem started tor them and what punishment has of terrorism in Punjab and other are:ls. been given to them. What is necessary is that this prosecutionarj machinery has to be SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY stimulated and you just cannot inform, within (KC'twa): Sir, many basic points have been a certain period of time that is already there, already covered and I fully agree with the to the particular person as to what are the idea that making the law more and more reasons, forwhat he has been arrested. I just strong, we just cannot effectively curb terror- cannot understand any more inefficiency ism. Now, what is the admis~ion by the Hon. than this. Minister in the Bill itself when he said in the Statement of Object and Reasons, "Al_ Another point I want to say is that the though the entire State of Punjab and the difference between the 1984 amendment whole of Union Territory of Chandigarh has and this amendfTtent is that in Article 14A(1) been declared as 'disturbed areas'. Under of this NSA Bill, Not Withstanding anything the relevant Disturbed Area Act there had containad in the foregoing provisions of this been no improvement in the effective pre- Act, thIS was there in the original and in the vention of this activity. While the deteriorat- '984 amendment. ing law and order situation has necessitated the imposition of President's Rule in the Now, they have added lor any jUdgment, State of Punjab. Further strong action was decree, or order any court or any other found necessary to prevent the terrorists authority'. This has been added now. This from indulging in actiVIties injurious to the means that the person is denied his right to security of State and the maintenance of appeal to the court. We have seen in many public order. Now, this is the clear proof that cases, when they approached the courts, the Disturbed Area Act or the President's the courts have ordered their release. They Rule has not effectively curbed terrorism. gave their verdict that the arrests were not proper. Now you are taking away that right Now, we have this NSA law since 1980. from a person to appeal to the court. What We had an amendment in 1984 and now can be more repressive than this? again they have come to extend the time by which they have to communicate to the person the ground for his arrest and to pro- We all want to fight terrorism and we duce before the Advisory body. Now I Sir, it is have to take necessary action in this regard. violative of the basic tenets of Constitution; I But this psychology of resorting to more and cannot say the whole of the Constitution, more stringent laws by itself will not be because the ConstitutIon over the years helping in any way. Vie have to utilise the through amendments has been studdea existing powers effectively and implement with many un-democratic sections, many the provisions properly. Our machinery to un-democratic articles. So, they can set prosecute the offenders should be strength- certain examples. But that is an exception ened and exemplary punishment should be and for that exception there are certain safe- given to those who are committing heinous guards; that you have to produce the person crimes. ThiS is the need of the hour. Sitting in before the Advisory Committee. Now, that the North Block or the South Block and time is beinp extended; that for 6 months you passing more and more stringent laws will cannot just produce him. A very vital pomt not help. 263 National SlCIJrity JULY31.1987 (Amdt.JBil 264 {Sh. Saifuddin Chowdhar/] bility. Our firends from CPI(M) also helped us I I oppose this Bm. in a big way. I would rather invite the atten-! tion of the ruling party as well as the other SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE (Pan- partias to their duty in rousing the people to skura): I oppose the introduction of this Bill stand against this heinous crime of terrorism on constitutional grounds because this Bill is which seeks to disrupt our country. This is violative of the Fundamental Rights. Now the answer to terrorism and not abridgment Sir, many points have been covered by our offundamental rights as is being proposed in friends and I would like to speak only a few various permutations and combinations of words or. how this law is being extended and this National Security Act. is being used for violation of Fundamental Rights. I will give you just one example. Therefore, I oppose this Bill at the stage of its introduction. Under Section 14{a) which is being pro- posed, relaxation is being given with regard SHAI DINESH GOSWAMI (Guwahati): to the Advisory Committee, etc. What are Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will not go to any the provisions for which this is being ap- political side because we will have an oppor- plied? It is stated herein that if anybody acts tunity when the Bill is discussed. But I op- in any manner prejudicial to the mainte- pose the introduction, on the ground that this nance of supplies and services essential to Amendment is violative of the provisions of the community, then he can be detained. In the Constitution and beyond the legislative 1982, Government had defined certain competence of this Parliament. My reasons essential services and description for 14 are that this amending provision-Section different kinds of essential services was 14A(1)-is sought to be amended and 14A given in the list. And in the last clause, they states that: have added 'any service in connection with the affairs of the Union or a State not being "Notwithstanding anything contained in a service specified in any of the foregoing the foregoing provisions of this Act, or in any categories can be an essential service'. That judgement, decree ororderof any court ...... a means, everything under the sun can come person may be detained for the defence of within the definition of these 'essential serv- India the security of India, the security of the ices'. If this is not a violation of fundamental State, the maintenance of public order" rights, what else can this be? which covers everything under the Sun. All these provisions are going to be In such detentions, the opinion of the counter-productive. These measures are of Advisory Committee will not be necessary. It no help in Punjab. I would rather point out is not necessary if the detention is for a that the Minister and the ruling party should period of three months orthe maximum of six months. . use their powers in a different manner. And I would like to give the example of what our This provision, it appears was struck own Party is doing in this regard. Though our down by the courts, if I am correct. Because party in Punjab is a small one, from 28th in your amending Bill which you have given, June onwards, for ten days we took 14 there is no mention of Section 14A. It is not Jatras covering 2,000 villages in Punjab. there in the original Act which you have Some of these villages are strongholds of produced. But whatever it is, what we are terrorists. Braving all circumstances, we trying to do by this Amendment is that even covered these villages and appealed for if the judgement is given declaring 14A as peace. Despite the fact that our comrades, violative of fundamental rights even then. other people and sometimes even whole 14A will be applicable. That means we are families are being murdered, we had under- trying to exercise a judicial function on giving taken this task. Despite the murderous at- a judgement. This is what we precisely tried tempts, we did not shrink from our respensi- to do in, the Indira Gandhi's case when we 265 National Security SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) (Amdt.) Bill 266 passed a Constitution Amendment by gencies, these Preventive Detention Acts amending an Act and saying that the judge- were declared valid, because of the safe- ment of Allahabad High Court was null and guards, the courts in all these judgements void and that part of the amending Act was upheld that though fundamentally and on declared null and void by the Supreme Court principle preventive detention was against because we have the power to legislate but these Articles 21 and 22 or against the we have no effective power to act as a principles of democratic polity and because judiciary and say that the particular judge- of these safeguards mentioned in the Act- ment of a court will not be operative. If we feel that means, the enquiry by an Advisory that a particular interpretation by a court is Committee and the various safeguards-we not correct, we may give the modality of the held t,he Act as valid. But by this provision we entire Act by giving different interpretations. are saying that there will be no nece.ssity to give grounds for four months and two weeks My second objection is that by an Act we and that detention can be held to be justified cannot encroach upon the fundamental and legal even if the courts decide to the rights. If a particular provision of the Act contrary under Section 14A, I believe. we violates the fundamental rights and thereby have no power to pass a similar Section. becomes null and void, can we pass an Act and say that the Court will have no right to 13.00 hrs. declare this Act as violative ofthe fundamen- tal rights, or even if it is declared as invalid That is why, Mr. Deputy Speaker, there being violative of the fundamental rights, is Section 14A and the conferment of power, that will not be affected? namely J that the reference to the Advisory Board is extended to four months and two I do not know how this Parliament can weeks or that a person can be detained for pass a law, an ordinary law, by saying that more than three months. Article 22 clearly even the Courts will have no right to declare says: a particular provision of an Act as violative of the fundamental rights. This we do not pos- IINo law providing for preventive sess by virtue of an ordir.ary law making detention shall authorise the deten- power. tion of a person for a longer period than three months unless- My third objection is that this is violative of Articles 21 and 22. Let us not forget. I do (a) an Advisory Board consisting of .... " not know that there is a possibility that be- etc. etc. Therefore, I submit. Mr. Deputy cause of this, the original National Security. Speaker, in respect of Section 14A which Act itself, may be declared as ultra vires says that no judgement will be operative- because the Supreme Court and the other even a judgement declaring an Act violative courts, right from the beginning, haye been of the Fundamental Rights-that we cannot very loathe and very reluctant to permit pass a law, an ordinary law. We can make a encroachment on the individual's freedom Constitutional amendment. But an ordinary by these laws. law passed by this Parliament has no power to over-ride the Fundamental Rights, No It is because the preventive detention power to undo the judgement of the court. law by itself, is a lawless law and you cannot And, therefore, this law is beyond the legis- curb lawless activities by lawless laws. In lative competence of this Parliament,-its fact, I may point out that Mr. Patanjali Shastri amending power. And that is why I oppose in the Supreme Court declared in the first the introduction. preventive detention law as a sinister look- ing fissure which is tensely out of place in the So far as the other parts are concemed, democratic which vests personal liberty with as I said, by lawless laws you cannot prevent sacrosancity. But if because of the contin- lawless activities-and I will deal with those 267 National Security JULY 31, 1987 (Amdt.) Bill 268 [She Dinesh GoswamiJ SHAI P CHIDAMBARAM: I will finish provisions at the appropriate time when the withing seven munutes. Bill comes up for discussion. These periods are being extended be- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cause of the special administrative difficul- MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL. PUBLIC ties one faces in Punjab today. for example, GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- the courts have held that strid campUace ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF with such a law is necessary. Even if we HOME AFFAIRS (SHAI P. CHIDAM'BA- delay by one day in delivering the grounds of RAM): At this stage. I believe I am called detention, even if we delay by one day the upon only to answer the objections raised on sending of the report to the Advisory Board I the ground that the Bill violates the the detention falls to ground: and then to re- Constitution, and that Parliament does not detain the person on the same grounds have the legislative competence to make a becomes very difficult. Because of the ex- law of this nature. treme pressure under which the Punjab Administration is working now, it is neces- As I listened to the submissions made by saryto give them a little more time, to comply hone Members, I believe the criticism is with the administrative requirements. That is really in respect of Section 14A which is why small extensions have been provided being introduced in this Act. The other provi- for in the periods which are there in the sions merely extend the time limit which is original National Security Act. I do not think provided for in many Sections. For example, there is any question of unconstitutionality or if you will kindly see the Bill, the crucial legislative competence tounching upon section is Section 3 of the amending Bill, and these small extensions. the attack is really on the first portbn of that Bill. In Clause 2, various t,me limits have been extended by a few days. For example, We can argue: "If you can do it in 15days, in Section 3(4), the words '19n days" have why can't you do it in ten days?" My answer been replaced by the words "fifteen days". is: "Of course, we will try to do it in ten'days; but because we find that there are serious administrative difficulties, we want a little SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: more time from Parliament. But our en- Why? deavour will be not to do it on the 15th day, not to do it on the 20th day; but our en- SHAI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I will answer. deavourwill be to do it as quickly as possible. You must be patient. You are here to ask This is purely an administrative problem." why. I am here to answer why. But you must listen. SHRI OINESH GOSWAMI: You said three months. "fifteen days" have been extended to "twenty days", "seven days" have been ex- SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I will answer tended to "fifteen days", "ten days" have it. That is a separate argument. I will have to been extended to "fifteen days", ''three deal with that. weeks" have been extended to..... (Interruptions) The burden of Mr. Goswami's argument, and that of the other hone Members is that SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: That is very Section 14A is unconstitutional because it important. violates Article 22(4) of the Constitution. Kindly see Article 22. SHRI C. MADHAV REDOI (Adilabad): You can take this up after lunch, unless you The scheme of Art. 22 is this. Under Art. are going to finish within ten minutes. 22, clause 2. it is stated as follows: 269 National Security SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) (Amdt.) Bill 270 . Every person who is arrested and Jimit of six months. This clearly falls under detained in custody shall be pro- 22(7). This law ;s competent under 22(7». duced before the nearest magistrate On the merits of the law, we will debate and within a period of twenty-four hours.· that we will answer. At the moment, on competency, this law is absolutely compe- That is the general rule and clause 4 is tent under 22(7). You may ask me why do we an exception to clause 2 clause 4 reads as say notwithstanding anything contained in follows: any judgment etc. I am ·conscious of that; that is because old clause 14(A) was struck IINo law providing for preventive de- down by a Division Bench of the Punjab High tention shall authorise the detention Court in a criminal writ petition No. 752 of of a person for a longer period than 1985. They held that 14(A), as it stood. did three months unless an advisory not strictly comply with the requirement of board has reviewed his detention: 22(7). In fact, the reasoning of the learned judges is - I say it with great respect - that Therefore, there is the rule of 24 hours merely enumerating (a) to (e) in clause 14(A) and there iC3 clause 4 providing that in a law would not satisfy the requirement of 22(7). of preventive detention, you need not pro- Now, this is purely a legal question. We no duce him within 24 hours; you can detain doubt lost the case in the Punjab High Court him for a period of three months; and if the we have filed an appeal to tRe Supreme Advisory Board has not reviewed that deten- Court and the Supreme Court has in a spe- tion within three months, it will fall to ground. cial leave appeal criminal No. 3838 of 1985 But then what the han. Member has over- by order dated 20.12.85 - the Bench con- looked is that clause 7 is an exception to sisted of the Chief Justice Justice Madon clause 4. (Interruptions) You kindly see and Justice Oza-had stayed the implemen- clause 7. VQu have not seen it 5hri Saifuddin tation of the judgment of the High court Chowdharyji. It reads as follows: holding 14(A) is invalid. Therefore. the mat- ter is pending before the Supreme Court. "Parliament may by iaw prescribe- Whether the existing 14(A) falls under 22(7) (a) the circumstances under which, or does not fall under 22(7) is a matter and the class or cJasses of cases in pending in the Supreme Court. If it is found which, a person may be detained for that 14(A) does not satisfy 22(7), we will a period longer than three months have to come forward with an amendment of under any law providing for preven- 14(A). But we are advised, our legal advice tive detention without obtaining the is that 14(A) is perfectly within 22(7) and opinion of an Advisory Board in ac- there is no infirmity and we will argue this cordance with the provisions of sub- matter before the Supreme Court. But there clause (a) of clause (4)". is no question of legislative competence arising at this stage because 22(7) contem- So, clause 7 is an exception to clause 4. plates a law to be made by Parliament ex- Parliament can make a law under clause 7 ceeding three months and 14(A) is such a giving power to government in specified law. cases, enumerated cases the power to de- tain beyond three months and not for comply SHAI DINESH GOSWAMI: As far as the with clause 4. Now, really • there in no legislati~ competency is concerned, can maximum limit. Here you may kindly look at you say that a particular judgment will bot be sedion 14(A). It is not as though we have operative? Hthat is so, then you are acting as said that he will be detained beyond three a superior court. months without any limit at all and without going to the Advisory Board. We have no SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: No, that is not doubt resorted to clause 7 to go beyond correct. HOIi. Members know, and hon. three months, but we have imposed an outer members certainly have access to legal 271 National Security JULY 31,1987 (Amdt.) Bill 272 [She P. Chidambaram] prospective, up to 1988June, one year from advice also. Parliament has the power to the date of the Ordinance. But we are en- pass a validating law; a validating law can titled to say that 14A is valid because 14A override a judgment of court except that it was introduced by Parliament, 14A has no -has to validate and cure the infirmity. doubt been struck by the Division Bench of the Punjab High Court but that judgment has SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: Even in a been stayed. Therefore. the merits of 14A fundamental right 8. whether it falls under 22(7). is a matter to be decided by the Supreme Court. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: A number of validating laws have been passed. land SHAt C. MADHAV REDOI: You are rest- legislation had been struck down. We have ing on the stay order. passed validating laws. A validating law is a SHAI P. CHIDAMBARAM: lam not rest- wel!-known partiamentary instrument. We ing on the stay order. I am resting on can pass a validating law. But then the parliament's power to make a law under question is academic here because we re- Article 22(7), I am now coming forward ask- alty need not validating any case which \ ing you to make a new 14A for a period of one arose under the old 14A. We are now re- year. I am not resting on the steyorder. I am introducing 14A . We really need not validate mentioning the stay order to say that the anything which happened before. In the matter is not final, the matter is still in the particular case a particular detention "as Supreme Court. The final court has not pro- been struck down on certain grounds. We nounced that 14A is invalid. If the supreme need not realty validate anything which Court says that 14a is invalid, then 14A will happened earlier, but we have absolute go. I am resting my Bifl.. ... powerto pass a validating law. I can give you hundreds of examples of a validating law. I am sorry. I said two years. It is wrong. It is only one year. June 1987 to 1988. Two SHRI OINESH GOSWAMI: You are not years is wrong. validating. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI: I feel that you SHAI OINESH GOSWAMI: How will the are not validating. Supreme Court inquire into the new 14A, when you have said, "Notwithstanding any- SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: That is the thing contained in 14A will be operative? answer to Mr. Goswami. Because, if the Supreme Court says tht 14A will show that the judgment of the Supreme SHRI C. MADHAV REDOI: I know. Court is not operative, SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: So, Mr. SHRI P. CHIOAMBARAM: This, "not- Goswami's point has been answered. withstanding anything, etc., " refers to the judgment of the Punjab High Court. SHRI C. MADHAV REDOI: that is a bad law because you are enacting a law under SHRI OINESH GOSWAMI: How? the shadow of a supreme Court stay order. . SHAI P. CHIDAMBARAM: That is the SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: It is not cor- only judgment which struck down 14A. We rect. cannot forget the history behind the legisla- tion. Kindly listen to me. When a High Court SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Your point-I strikes down a particular provision and now am sure you agree with me-is that we are we say, "Notwithstanding anything in that really not validating. We have the power to judgment, ...... " pass a validating law but here we are really not validating anything because we do not SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: That judg- have to validate. It is prospective. 14A is ment? 273 St. Re. National SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) St. Re. National 274 Sec. (Amdt.) Ordinance Sec. (Amdt.) Ordinance islation by the National Secunty (Amend .. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: That judg- ment) Ordinance, 1987. ment is the Punjab High Court judgment. That judgment had struck down a particular detention made before the 8th of June, 1988. 13.14 hr•• We have said "notwithstanding anything is that judgment" you can make a detention The Lok Sabha adjourned for Lunch tiB under section l4A. Now this judgment is fifteen Minutes past Fourteen of the Clock. under appeal to the Supreme Court. We have the power to make a validating law. Of curse, we are not really resting it on the The Lok Sabha fe-assembled after Lunch validating power. The power is there. We are at twenty Minutes past Fourteen of the resting this Bill on 22(7) read with Clock Parliament's power to make a law. We are- making °a new law. The old 14A was struck [MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER in the Chair] down but the judgment has been stayed and a new 14A has been added again. Whether PAYMENT OF GRATUITY (AMEND- 14A is valid or not, will have to be eventually MENT) BILL- CONTD.· pronounced by the Supreme Court. [English] Sir, I am absolutely clear in my mind and we have tagal advice, that Parliament has MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now. we take the competence to make this law. Whether upfurther discussion on the Bill funher to the law is valid or not -not the compe- amend the payment of Gratuity Ad. 1972. tence-whether 14A as it is worded now is valid or not will e decided by the Supreme [ Translation] Court. So, the question really does not arise. Now, we can debate the merits of the Bill. DR. G.S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, gratuity and provident MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question fund re two such items on which the future of is: a worker depends. It is weUl mentioned that for entitlement of gratuity I a [English] qualifying service of five years is necessary. My request to the Hon'ble Minister is that he SHRI AJOY BISWAS (Tripura West): should consider this point and reduce the The hone Minister has brought f~tw~rd a Bill, penod of qualifying service from five years' a peice of legislation on the shc£me for to one year. payment of gratuity. Another point IS that the concept of gra- SHRIINDRAJITGUPTA(Basirhat): It is a tuity has Ghanged. The present Ad was maiden speech after suspension. enacted in 1972. Between 1972 and till to- day, concepts of wage and sevices have MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Every day, undergone a sea change. But the concept of every one i5 making a maiden speech, i.e. gratuity still continuing in the same old way the first speech. as it was in 1972. If any worker wants to get the gratuity. he has to complete either 750/0 SHRI AJOY BISWAS: But I think what or 240 days compulsory service in a year. has been sug~ested in the Bin is a margtnal That is the crux of the problem. Is it possible benefitfortheworkers. Acomprehensiv9 Bill for a worker to complete a contin'Jous serv- 279 Payment of JULY 31, 1987 Gratuity (Amdt) Bill 280 [She Ajoy Biswas] raised the ceiling up to Rs. 50,0001-. But ice of 240 days in a year or 75% of the total many workers. particularly in the public working days in a year? The employers sector and other industries are getting more always try to break the services of the work- than Rs. 25001-. According to the provision if ers after two month or three months or four any worker is to get As. 2700/-, then he is not months of their continuous service. They entitled to the gratuity. so, my proposal is even break their service after 7 or 8 days of that the maximum gratuity should be Rs. their continuous service and again the work- 50.000. But you should ensure that no ers are taken into service. Under thase cir- worker is deprived of the gratuity and every cumstances, they will never complete a worker gets at least 20 months' wages as continuous service of 240 days in a year. I gratuity. Hyou ensure that, then all the work- know many workers have been woking for 8 ers will get proper gratuity. or 9 years. But they have not completed during these 8 or 9 years' period a continu- ous service of 240 days in a year. If the hone My last point is about the harassment for Minister wants to save the workers from the the payment of gratuity. In the case of provi- clutches of the employers, I propose that this dentfund there is a Provident Fund Commis- provision should also be amended, that is, sioner and the employers are bound to 75% or 240 days of continuous service in a deposit the money in the provident fund year should be changed to 500k or 150 days accounts maintained by the Provident Fund in a year. Commissioner. In spite of that, many work- ers are having trouble in getting back their My next point is about the calculation of dues after retirement. More than that, if any the gratuity. Now, gratuity is calculated on worker retires, there is no guarantee about the basis of 15 days t wage for each year after his gratuity even in the public sector con- completion of 10 years' service. I think it is cerns. In 1987, about Rs. 50 lakhs are due very meagre. At the same time, I know that from the public sector, as gratuity. If this is you are raising the ceiling upto Rs. 50,000. the position in the public sector, what will be But many workers get only Rs. 2000 or Rs. the poSition in the private sector? In resped 3000 or 4000 as gratuity. Now, this rise in of poorer section of the workers, if the em- ceiling will not change the position. I would ployers are not interested to give gratuity therefore submit that the workers should get after their retirement, it is not possible forthe one month's salary for each year of service poor workers to go to the court. So, my rendered by him in lieu of 15 days' wage. suggestion is that like the Provident Fund Otherwise the workers who are getting low Commissioner, you have to set up another wages will not get any benefit in their quan .. Board another type of such organisation, tum of gratuity. It will remain as As. 2000 or and employers should deposit the gratuity of 3000 or 4000. So, my request is that the the workers in the Fund maintained by that basis of calculation of gratuity should be Board, so that the workers will get the gratu- changed and it should be equivalent to one ity from that Fund, not from the employers. month's wage for each year of service. You can utilise that fund for the development of the country. After completing 30 years of My next point is that you have raised the service, the worker will get the gratuity from ceiling of entitlement of gratuity from Rs. that Fund. So, the amount of gratuity each 1600 to As. 2500. But, Sir, it will not improve worker is to get can be taken from the em- the situation. The maximum period fixed for pfoyer in advance and deposited in a fund calculation of gratuity is 20 month's wages. and that can be utilised for the development If you calculate taking into account the new of the country. By this, we can also ensure ceiling of As. 2500 multiplied by 20 months' the workers payment of gratuity in time. So, wages, you will arrive at a figure of Rs. I hope you will bring a comprehensive Bill in 50,000. the near future to save the workers from the clutches of the employers. So, what you have done is, you have 281 Payment of SRAVANA9, 190& (~AKA)Gratuity(Amdt.)Bill 282 SHAI SRIBALLAV PANIGRHI (Oeog- Now, it is at the enhanced rate. 1 he new ~rh): Mr. Deputy-Speaker. Sir, I rise to sup- amount will be Rs. 50000/-. There will be no port this Payment of gratuity (Amendment) difference. It can still be made higher. In this Bill wholeheartedly. connection, I would like to give some sug- gestions about the existing ceiling of 20 Sir, this is going to add another feather to months' wages. On what ba.3is was it arrived the cap which our hone Labour Minister is at? The calculation is made on the basis of putting on his head. During the last few 15 days salary for a working year. Based on months there have been a number of such this calculation, if a worker puts is 40 lorig welcome legislative amendments having years of service, he will be reaching this limit. been brought forward by the hone Minister in The highest limit i::i Rs. 50000/- that is, 20 charge of Labour Sir, this is, in fact, a simple months' wages. This he will be entitled to get Bill intended to improve different provisions ~nly after putting in 40 long years of service. existing in the Payment of Gratuity Aci, The question is: how many employees are 1972. And these amendments have been privileged enough to work for such a long proposed on the recommendation of the period? I would like to draw the kind attention Conference of Labour Minister held, I think of the hone Minister through you, Sir, to the twice before this, in 1982 and 1983. In fact, Bonus provisions as existing in the Bonus that way it should have come earlier, but of Act. It has been fixed at 8.33 per cent, i.e. a course, better late than never. In 1987, this month's salary. The minimum payable bo- Bill has ccm9 upfor discussion and this is nus is a month's salary. Why not this also be going t'l be passed and I congratulate the kept at per with that Le. the 15 days wages Minister for that. and in that case it will be doubled. As far as the non-s~asonal establishment is con- Sir, the payment of gratuity is at present cerned, it is for 15 days. In the case of . restricted to employeps drawing wages up to seasonal establishment it is as low as 7 As. 1600/- per month and the samf' is sub- day's wages. Naturally, this 7 days wages ject to a ceiling of 20 months' wages. will be doubled; 15 days wages will be Through this Bill, this wage-limit is going to doubled. It may be as we are now keeping at be enhanced to Rs. ~500/- If you recall, par with the Bonus Act in which the limit is ~arlier we had passed such a provision. We Rs. ?5001-. This should also be at par with have made such a procesion by way of an that provision. amendment, as proposed by the hone Minis- ter, in the Bonus Act. As I ar as Bonus is Further, the Central Government em- concerned, earlier the Jimit was As. 1600 pJoyee gets this gratuity up to a maximum of and that was raised to Rs. 25001- So, now it 16 1/2 mor.ths salary. There is also some is at per with that provision. I would suggest disparity between the two. This could be that all such Acts, with relevant provisions made up. About the period, unless an em- wherever they do exist, should be amended. ployee puts in a continuous service of 5 There is nothing to discuss about it. Of years, he is not entitled to gratuity. This is course. it is a question whether it could be also on the higher side. You know. Sir, we enhanced will further. It could still be raised. have a large contingent of casual workers Anyway, in the Bonus Act, we have ex· and the nature of work is permanent. The tended the limit up to Rs. 25001- and it is organisations are permanent. The Railways going to be at par with that. This is a welcome and the different public sector undertaking, feature. have got permanent nature of work. Such establishments are on a permanent basis. Secondly, the amount is raised to Rs. But to avoid or to debar the working class 50000 now. It is subject to a ceiling of 20 employees from getting the benefits they months' wages at the rate of-as the hone engage many workers as casual workers. Member Shri Biswas earlier said-As. 1600. As you know, aftel some time they do away The total comes to Rs. 320(J0 for 20 months. with their services and after some time they 283 Payment of JULY 31,1987 \ Gratuity (Arndt.) Bill 284 [She SribaHav Panigrahi] laid on right type of implementation, on again racruitthem. That way also, if a worker proper implementation of all the sa laws. I has put in one year continued service, I would suggest that there should be a moni- suggest, he should be entitled to gratuity. toring system in his own Ministry as in the About the time limit, a very welcome case of Provident Fund where it is monitored provision has been made. But we know that by the Provident Fund Commissioner. Un- the entrepreneurs, particularly the private less there is adequate staff, adequate moni- industrialists, try their best to avoid making toring arrangement, whatever laws we may payment and they engage themselves in pass here, however lofty the ideals which we may cherish, not really benefit the work- delaying tactics. Now there is a pen~lty. The will ing force in the country. penalty is that if, after such a payment has fallen due, they do not pay the gratuity within 30 days, they will have to pay interest, and With these words, I support wholeheart- the interest is only simple interest. This does edly this progressive piece of legislation not seem to be a punishment at all. As you brought forward by our hone Labour Minister. know, many of these industrialists, entrepre- SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA(8asirhat): Mr. neurs, employers, just manage not to pay Deputy-Speaker. Sir, this subject of social and the amount that is liable to be paid, that security for our workers is frequently dis- is due to be paid, to workers is invested by cussed in different forums, and the hone them in more profitable ways. Therefore, a Labour Minister knows that the trade unions stiffer, a more stringent, punishment is have been making a number of suggestions called for. I suggest that it should be com- over the years for the improvement and pound interest instead of simple interest. In strengthening of the social security system fact, the rate should be fixed; the rate should in our country. I am sorry to find that most of be on par with the rate given for fixed depos- those suggestions have not been incorpo- its in banks. I would requestthe Government rated in this amending Bill. Perhaps, the hone to consider imposing a more stringent pun- Minister feels that we should proceed cau- ishment with regard to this so that the indus- tiously or something-I do not know what. But trialists may not like to avoid payment to I find here that a number of han. Ministers, these people. irrespective of their political parties' alle- giance, are making very similar types of Provision is being make for compulsory suggestions for the workers' welfare in re- insurance of employer's liability to pay gratu- spect of gratuity scheme. That is a welcome ity under the Act or in the alternative for the thing because it shows that the weH are of the setting up of a gratuity fund under the provi- workers is in the minds of large number of sions of the Act in relation to establishments our members and I would request the Hon. employing five hundred or more employees. Minister to give more sympathetic attention This provision is welcome, but why is there to what has been said here. this restriction on the number, that only when the working force is SOO or more, it will be This is a country in which the social 'ipplicable? Why not bring down this num- security systems and funds available are ber to 100? I think, this number could be adversely affaded by two or three factors. brought down to 100. This is my humble One is the fact that there has been such a suggestion. drastic erosion in the value of the rupee, the As I was saying a little earlier, this Bin depreciation of the ruppee. For exxmple, adds another feather to the cap of our han. you say you are laying down a ceiling of Rs. Labour Minister. We have enacted several 50 000 for the gratuity which is payable to good and progressive laws. Several amend- an~ employee. But, today adually this Rs. ments which were awaited for long have 50 ,000 is worth about As. 8,000 or so. H we. been cleared by the House, have been take the Government calculation rupee IS passed by the House. But what about im- worth 16 paise or so. So, the man at the end plementation? Much emphasis should be of his service, even if he qualHies for the 285 Paym9ntof SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA ) Gratuity (Amdt.) Bill 286 wnola of Rs, 50,000, in terms of ad11alyalue of these funds which are contributions 'from today it is not an adequte figure to provide for the workers' wages are diverted by the his retirement or his old age. So, I think this employers for their own business and prof- Ra. 50,000 does not have much relevance itable purposes and workers are deprived. and this concept of ceiling should be re- This is a very serious matter altogether and moved. Why should there be a ceiling at all, since the Hon. Minister is also frequently I cannot understand? You are fixing a rate at having to go and attend these ILO meetings which he gets gratuity. As long as he is in and conferences where international stan- services, let him earn. There need not be any dards for social security and so on are laid cailing at all. down and we are supposed to adhere to those, it is very necessary in any way to see Similarly, this 20 months. 20 months and that this kind of malpractices are firmly put As. 50,000 comes to the same thing. There down and also that implementation of what- is no difference in the two. But for Rs. 50,000 ever is good and positive in our legislation, is the maximum amount for which he can be tightened up. For example I can tell the eligible at the rate of 15 days wages per Minister what I find here and what they have month-it is a matter of arithmatic- a man will incorporated in this Bill as th~ explanation. h have to work for 40 years. Hhe completes 40 reads that: years at 15 days wages per month, then only he can earn Rs. 50,000. Well, who can work 15.00 hr •. for 40 years? Nobody works for 40 years. It is too much. Therefore, I would say, please Uln the ca_se of a monthly rated em- give a second look at this. These two ceil- ployee, the fifteen days' wages shall ings, the Rs. 50,000 ceiling and 20 months be calculated by dividing the monthly ceiling, are really very unreal and have no rate of wages last drawn by him by relevance to the actual economic situation twenty-six and multiplying the quo- and the financial situation today. So, these tient by fifteen." ceilings in my opinion should be removed. There is no need for these ceilings. The This is a small point on which we have removal of ceiling is not going to have an been agitating for so long. The question is upsetting effect except that the employer, whether you divide this monthly wage by 30 the private sector employer is reluctant to or by 26. When the matter went to Supreme pay. They don't want to pay. That is all. I Court, the Supreme Court held that it should regret to find that unpaid gratuity ;s also be divided by 26 and not by 30 in order to mounting up as public sector units are in- work out the daily wage and then multiply it volved in that also. I find from some figures by 15. But you would be surprised to know that Rs. 58 lakhs of unpaid gratuity can be perhaps; you should not be because I per- attributed to the public sedor units alone. In sonally also have written several letters the case of private sector, it must be much about a public sector unit in West Bengal, more. I have no figures with me. I don't know. Braithwaite a well established and one time 14.59 hr •. British owned big engineering concern which consistently refused to implement [SHRI SHARAD DIGHE in ths Chair] even that Supreme Court decision. They are continuing to calculate the gratuity by divid- The Hon. Minister knows that in the case ing the monthly wage not by 26. but by 30, of provident fund and employees state insur- while other units round about are doing the ance, a huge amount running into lakhs have correct thing. {'jow you have put is as a been defautted by the employer. h was clause here. 1 welcome that. deducted from the workers' wages but no deposit in the corresponding social security But you will have to tighten up your im- fund was made. I don't know whether in any plementation machinery to see that this is oIhercountry. on such a large scale, this kind really adhered to. Because what happens is of default, this malpradice by the employer 287 Payment of JULY31, 1987 G~atuity (Amdt.) Bill ~88 [She Indrajit Guptal going to get, the whole suspension period is that the worst sufferers are the dependants deducted from his service. This is not fair at of the workers who have retired earlier or all. This is worth looking into. may have died. I have seen before the gates of the Braithwaite factory in calcutta that on I would strongly plead with the Minister the pay day a number of widows and depen- thatforthe entire period of his actual employ- dants·the old fathers and mothers-of the ment, he should be paid gratuity. There dpceased workers juS! come and helplessly should not be any deduction. sit there before the gates of the factory and I also support another Member's sugges- try to somehow or the other get their full tion with regard to the interest that is payable share of the gratuity which is to be calculated by the employer for inordinate delay in pay- correctly according to the law; but it is not ing the gratuity. This is a frequent complaint. done. Thousands of workers are complaining I support the other thing that some other about it. They have retired, but they don't get Hon. Members have suggested that why their gratuity. It is not a question of 30 days should not you oonsider the rate of gratuity only. If they get it in 30 days, they can as 8.33% of his annual wage instaad of 15 consider themselve9to be lucky. It is not 30 days per year. This is the thing which we days, it may be 30 months also. Are the have already accepted in the case of bonus. employers to be penalised for this at all? 8.33°04 works out to one month's wage. So, They are keeping their money with them; instead of 15 days wages, I also feel that the they are using it for their own business rate of gratuity should be raised to 8.33% purposes. I regret to say that even the public which wil1 be roughly one month's wages per sector units do this kind of a thing. I don't year. know why do they do it and what do they want to do with this money. So the penalty The qualifying period is now put as fivp should not be payment of simp!9 interest. years. I cannot understand this also. H The big employers will be willing to pay somebcdy has worked for four years orfour simple interest. They do not bother. They and a half years continuously, he is not liable have got much money. The penalty should to get gratuity unless he has completed five not be payment of simple interest but interest years. Why should he be put on a sort of rate normally paid on fixed deposits in probation? I don't understand it. Whdt fault banks. Afterall the employer mf'V be using bas he committed ? I am totally against the the money for his profitable business. So qualifying period of five years. I think for the why he should not be forced to pay fixed entire period of his employment, whatever it deposit rate? is, for the total period during of his employ- Finally I would say that the Gratuity Trust :""ent, whatenver it is, for the tatal period Fund is a welcome suggestion in tr:3 new during whi(:h he has been an employee, he Bill. But it has been provided that this Gratu- should be paid gratuity without any deduc- ity Trust Fund is to be applicable to units only tions on account of other things. which are employing 500 or more workers. I For example, some employers may sus· think it is an arbitrary distinction. I do not see pend some workers and keep them under any reason why it should be applicable only suspension for one or two years. They are to units which are employing 500 workers. I often doing that. Often you find that workers think it should be reduced to units employing are suspended and the suspension orders 100 workers. Further these moneys should remain in force for two-three years. The not be allowed to be somehow or other employers are supposed to hold a domestic diverted for other purposes and the poor inquiry within the shortest possible time and workers made to suffer. eit~er to withdraw the suspension or take Sir, these are some of the suggestions any other action on it. But I think in a number that I have to make. I suppose it is not pos- of cases the wOrke;s remain in suspension sible to hope for any improvement in the Bill for two, three or four years and when it which has already come for discussion in the comes to calculating the gratuity that he is 289 Payment of SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA ) Gratuity (Amdt.) Bill 290 House yet I expect the Labour Minister to tion for one year and he is entitled to get give some assurance on the many positive bonus. So why not an employee is entitled and concrete suggestions which have been for gratuity after he completes ene year? , made. I hope action will be taken sooner feel a period of five years for getting gratuity rather than later so that further amendments seems to be rather on the high side. can be brought about. It is not a difficult job otherwise in the next meeting with the trade It is mentioned in the Bill that interest will union representatives he will have to face to be paid on the amount of gratuity for the face a lot of criticism. delayed period. Other hon'ble Members have suggested compound interest and all DR. PHULRENU GUHA (Contai): Mr. that. But I strongly suggest to you to amend Chairman, Sir, I support Payment of Gratuity the Bill or to frame some rules so that if the (Amendment) Bill. I wholeheartedly wel- employer does not pay the money within 30 come the Bill which intends to give wider days, he should be punished. There is no coverage to workers. The amendment will punishment for the employer. When he pays benefit the workers though I strongly feel even the interest, he is not paying from his that there are some short-comings in this pocket. He is paying from the workers' hard- Bill. earned wages. We should not forget that. Some punishment must be included so that The first thing is that time-limit has been the employer does not go scot free. Sir, I fixed for the purpose of payment of gratuity. would like to say that many of the workers do Secondly if the amount is Dot paid within the not get their gratuity during their lifetime. stipulated period the employer is liable to What is the use of getting interest after their pay interest for the amount which is due to death? I strongly suggest again that punish- the employee. Thirdly this scheme of gratu- rnent should be added either in this Bill or in ity will help the working class. The amount of some rules. A delay of four to five years for gratuity is equivalent to the pension paid to a payment of gratuity is quite common. Sir, retired government officer. So I feel very excuse me when I say that I may not be strongly that 15 days wages is very little. It working in the trade union field. But I have should be raised to at least one month if not seen a number of workers who did not get more. I would like to suggest that the their gratuity during their lifetime. Their wid- scheme may be applicable to casual labour ows have complained to me. also. There are lot of casual workers in the public sector undertakings, railways and Sir, I would like to say that a majority of other government departments. So it is the workers are illiterate. Many of them do necessary that Labour Ministry should see not know what benefits tl"tey can get out of all that the services of the casual workers are these Ads. So, there must be some arrange- regularised. This cannot be kept pending for ment so that they know about all their claims long since they have already suffered for too and they do not suffer unnecessarily. Some many years. protection to avoid them inconveniences is required. Gratuity is paid subject to the ceiling of 20 Sir, it has been said that industries months wages. This is ceiling or that was the employing more than 500 employees will ceiling. The limit of 20 months wages is have the benefit of insurance. I think this is proposed to be replaced by the limit of Rs. too upper a limit. I suggest that industries 50,0001-. I do not understand what is the employing 50 persons may be permitted til basis of changing this replacernent of the have insurance for gratuity fund. ceiling of 20 months to Rs. 50,000/-. Nobody bothers about the seasonal Apart from that, I again say that the workers. There is hardly any record also. gratuity should be shared at least on the· Everybody is registered as 'temporary'. After basis of one month. A man is kept on proba- working for 15-20 years, one remains a 291 Payment of JULY 31, 1987 Gratuity (Amdt.) Bill 292 [Dr. Phulrenu Guha] has been revised to include 'dependent temporary worker. I humbly rgquest the parents of his wife'. Now, it is possible, the hon'ble Minister that this problem must be Han. Minister has in his mind, to have a looked into. situation in which the in-laws are dependent upon the worker and, therefore, subsequent With may limited knowledge I have gone to his death may continue to be dependent. through this Bill a number of times and I find But this is a bit contradictory, if the workers one thing lacking and that is that there is no in-laws may be dependent upon their own provision for the small scale industry. Am I son or other children and, therefore, not right or wrong, I do not know. The point is, dependent upon this particular family. That Sir, in our country small scale industries are clarity is not there and, therefore, the lan- in large number and thetime is coming when guage needs to be slightly revised. more small scale industries will be estab- Ushed in our country. So, the workers of Then, Sir, "20 months' wages· has been small scale industry should getthe benefit. In replaced by Rs. 50,000. One questions why the village or in the small towns the,. are this ceiling ought to be there. Afterall if a large number of small scale industries where person has worked for more than 20 months workers are limited ranging from 5 or 6 to 9. or has a salary of more than Rs. 2500, in that So, I would request the minister to look into case there should be no monetary loss. He and give the benefit of the gratuity to the should receive whatever is due to him. ac- workers who are working in the small scale cording to the principles laid down in the Bill, industries. I find that this As, 50,000 ceiling is a rather unfair ceiling. Sir, with these words, I support the Bill but I expect the Minister to consider the I would hope that the han. Minister takes points mentioned by me and my other away the very concept of ceiling, but if he friends. So, I would request the Minister does not, this needs to be revised and I once again if not possible to include all this in would prefer to have the earlier formulation. Bill, in the next Session he should bring i.e. 20 months wages. some other amendments and at least give I certainly agree with the view expressed some more kbenefits to the workers, who on the floor of the Housethatthe IimitatiORfor have suffered for a long time. the aeation of the Gratuity Fund to estab- lishment employing 500 or more persons is SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDJN (Kishan- rather arbitrary. I can appreciate the fact that ganj): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I broadly support this concept cannot be extended to all estab- the Bill. I think it ;s good as far as it goes, but lishments without any restrictions as to their perhaps it khas not gone far enough. I would size because every establishment has a like to make some brief comments where I certain accounting capability. Therefore, I feel that the Bilt is inadequate. would suggest that there should be a com- The ceiling has been raised from Rs. promose land the ceiling should be limited to 1600 per mensem to Rs. 2500 per mensem. an establishment employing 100 persons or But the statement of objects and purpose of more. Hundred is big enough and with in- the Bill does not provide any rational for this creasing mechanisation, we would have figure. H we take it that Rs. 1600 was the many more factories in which. while the ceiling fixed in 1972 then in r.latiOn to the output ramains.'the sam.. the number of rise in the cost of living corresponding de- workers goes down. Therefore, I would cR,. in the value of the rupee, the ceiling suggest that for the creation of Gratuity shouldb have been at least As. 5,000 be- Fund, this figure of 500 should be reduced to C8UI8 between 1972 to 1987 the rupee 100. value hili certainly become tl3 or even 1/4. I have another comment on SeoIIon 7 of thll 81. It is not dear when II eaya. 'The SIr. I find that the definition of the f.. 1v 293' Pwment of SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA ) Gratuity (Arndt.' 8"71 employer shaH arrange to pay the amount of laws. It is a step in the right direction. gratuity within thirty days from the data It becomes payable to the person to whom Mr. Chairman, there is no doubt that gratuity is payable'. It is good to have this these efforts have helped the workers a lot limit. But my question is this. Since this and the industrial relations in our country amending Bill is to come into force on a have improved considerably over the past particular date that the Government may years. There was a time when we used to appoint and publish, one does not know hear that the workers covered by Trade . what happens to the claim for gratuity which Union Act and Industrial Dispute Ad had became payable before this Bill comes into resorted to strike. But, Now if we go throught operation and has not been paid. 50.1 would the newspapers, we find that some doctors, suggest that if a particular claim for gratuity teachers and engineers are on strike. This is pending on that day when this Bill or this sows that today at least in those place, provision comes into force, then this particu- where Trade Union Act and Industrial Dia- lar provision 'that it should be paid within 30 putes Act are applicable, the atmosphere days and if it is not, then interest should be and the industrial relations are far bett... The payable' should be made applicable to such government employees have given notice cases also. of strike, the University teachers and engi- neers are on strike and the doctors have just On Section 8, I am certainly in agree- called oft their strike. They might not be ment with that view that the employer who registered under the Trade Union Act, but has defaulted in the paymant of gratuity they are pursuing the lines of trade the should not be lat off so lightly. He should not unions. Then, why don't you bring them also be permitted to use his employee's money. under any such Act'. Hthey come under the There should be a penal provision. I would labour Minister, their industrial relations can suggest that when the government fixes the improve and their problems solved. I want to rate, it should keep in view that the rate congratulate the llon. Labour Minister for his should be somewhat higher, say, one per endeavour to improve the industrial relations cent higher, than the bank rate prevailing at in this country. that particular time. I suggest this because in Section 8, it seeks to substitute the words 'at Sir, so many things have been said and the rate of 9 per cent per annum' with 'at such all of us agree that you have made a good rate as the Central Government may, by effort but it is not sufficient and is still away notification, specify'. from our expedations. All have said some- thing about the ceiling and you have en- With these suggestions, I would like to hanced it from Rs. 1600/- to Rs. 2500/- but I generally support the Bill and express the want to point out that when the limit of As. hope that we shall continua to maintain the 1600/- was fixed, there were very few execu- tradition of having an enlightened labour leg- tives it can be verified from the records of islation in our country and we shall refine our establishments who were drawing above social security system as we go along and as Rs. 1600/-. So, almost all the workers were we gain more experience. eligible to get this amount. Now. with upward revision of wage structure it was felt neces- [ Translation] sary to increase the limit of eligibility. The question of increasing the limit under Bonus SHRI K.N. PRADHAN (Bhopal): Mr. Ad came up, it was raised to As. 2500/. Chairman, Sir. I welcome this Bill. I would Our base, our basic law and our basic ap- like to congratulate the hon'ble Minister of proach of fixing the limit of As. 16001-. Labour for bringing this Bill in a very short are no more valid. There were very few ex- time. Thera..may be some shortcomings in it, ecutives at that time who we,. not but h. has made efforts to update the labour covered and most of the workers used to 295 Payment of JULY 31, 198t'~' PMBR Committee 296 Gratuity (Amdt.j Bill Report [She K.N. Pradhan] such a provision has been made now but the get it. Therefore, either you raise the limit or workers are not going to benefit with this scrap it totally. Under the existing limit of Rs. provision also if they were not made timely 1600/- only a few workers are benefited. payment. We have so many concerns where Similarly, several hone Members have spo- a number of workers work. ken on the lim it of 20 months and Rs. 50,000/- but no body has understood the [English] complexity. I am surprised to note that our hon'ble Labour Minister has not seen the MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Pradhan, you may game of the capitalists. This is in fact bar- continue next time. We now take up Private gaining between the workers and employ- Membersl Business: ers. It can be 15 days gratuity today and one month's gratutity tomorrow and you may Shri Janga Reddy. also accept it now or it may be accepted in our next conference, but we have given the capitalists a handle to compel us to have 15.30 Hrs. talks with them for increasing the upper limit. If you continue the limit of 20 months salary, COMMITIEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' it will not solve the problem. You may say BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS that one even does not complete 40 years service and therefore there is no meaning of [English] upper limit. But I would like to say that these days nobody below the age of 18 years Th Irty Seventh Report edars service. If a person gets employment at the age of 18 years and retires at the age SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Hanam- of 58 yearcs, only then he can complete 40 konda): I beg to move: years service. Previously, people used to enter service at the age of 16 years or 15 "That this House do agree with the years but the number of such persons is not Thirty·seventh Reportofthe Commit- much. Only two, three or four persons may tee on Private Member's Bills and be found who might have completed 41 , 42 Resolutions presented to the House or 45 years service. Then what wrong have on the 29th July, 1987." they dona. Why should they be denied their gratutity for two-four years? In view of this I MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: think this limit is not justified and you will have to reconsider it. ""'81 this House do agree with the Thirty-seventh Report of the Commit- Now, all the hon. Members who have tee on Private Members' Bills and expressed their views on 15 day's gratutiy Resolutions presented to the House are unanimous that 15 day's gratuity for a on the 29th July, 1987." completed year of service is not justified from any angle under the prevailing condi- The motion was adopted. tions. You must reconsider it and raise it to one month. Similarly, all of them have spo- Now, Bills to be introduced - Shrimati ken about the payments not being made on Basavarajeswari. time and interest being paid if payments are delayed. I want to that this provision should be deterrent so that the employer is forced to AGRICULTURAL WORKERS (MINIMUM make timely payment. If a person retires and WAGES AND WELFARE) BILL * dies, and his children do not get the gratuity, then what is the use of gratuity. Earlier. you SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI (Bel- had not provid,ad for payment of interest and lary): I beg to move for leave to introduce a * Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II, section 2, dated 31.7.1987. 297 Ag. WorlcelS Bill SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Det. and Poor Bill 298 Enve. (Profile.] Amdt. Bill ConstItution (Arndt.) Bill Bill to provide for the payment of minimum employment. . wages and for weffare of agricultural work- ers. MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: MR CHAIRMAN: The question is: "That leave be granted to introduce a Bill to provide for determining domi- "That leave be granted to introduce a cile requirement and transferability of Bill to provide for the payment of public employment." . minimum wages and for welfare of agricuhural workers.· The motion was adopted The motion was adopted. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: I intro- duce the Bill. . SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI: I in- troduce the Bill. DESTITUTE AND POOR (MAINTE- NANCE AND REHABILITATION) ENVIRONMENT (PROTECTION) BILL* AMENDMENT BILL * SHRI AJOV BISWAS (Tripura West): I [English] beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill to provide for the maintenance and rehabilita- (Amendment of section 2, etc.) tion of destitutes and poor. SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA MURTY MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is : (Visakhapatnam): I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill to amend the Environment "That leave be granted to introduce a (Protection) Act, 1986. Bill to provide for the maintenance and rehabilitation of destitutes and MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: poor." "That leave be granted to introduce a The motion was adoptgd. Bill to amend the Environment (Pro- tection) Act, 1986.· SHRI AJOY BISWAS: I introduce the Billt The motion was adopted SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA MURTY: I introduce the Bill. CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL t [English] PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT (FIELD OF SE- LECTION, DOMICilE REQUIREMENT (Substitution of New Article for Article -263). AND TRANSFERABILITY) BILL * [English] SHRI SYEO SHAHABUDDIN (Kishan- ganj): I beg to move for leave to introduce a SHRI SyeO SHAHABUDDIN (Kishan- Bill further to amer.d the Constituition of ganj): I beg to move for leave to introduce a India. Bill to provide for determining domicHe re- quirement and transferability for public MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: * Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II, section 2. dated 31.7.1987. • Introduced with the recommendation of the President. 299 Constitution (Amdt.) Bin JUlV 31, 1987 State of Goa, Daman & 300 , Diu Bill "That leave be granted to introduce a [ Translation] Bill further to amend the C()nstitutiOn of India." CH. LACHCHHI RAM: I introduce the Bill The motion was adopted SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: I intro- duce the Bill. 15.34 hr•• STATE OF GOA, DAMAN AND DIU BILL CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL • [English] [English 1 SHAI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji)i I beg to move for leave to withdraw the Bill to (Amendment of Seventh Schedule) provide for the establishment of the State of Goa, Daman and Diu and for matters con- DR. C.S. VERMA (Khagaria): I beg to nected therewith. move tor leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of India. MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: "That leave be granted to-withdraw the Bill to provide for the establish- "That leave be granted to introduce a ment of the State of Goa, Daman and Bill further to amend the Constitution Diu and for matters connected there- of India.- with." The motion was adopted The motion was adopted SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: I withdraw the Bill CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL- (Insertion of • neW' .rticle 333A) 15.35 hr•• [Translation] ERADICATION OF UNEMPLOYMENT CH. LACHCHHI RAM: I beg to move for BILL leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the constitution of India. [English] [English] MR. CHAIRMAN: The House now shall take up further consideration of the following MR CHAIRMAN: The question is: motion moved by Shri G.M. Bantwalla on the 10th April, 1987, namely:- "That leave be granted to introduce a Bill further to amend the Constitution 111at the Bill to provide for a scheme of India.- for eradication of unemployment from the country, be taken into con- The motion was adotped sideration-. Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II, aection 2, dated 31.7.1.7 301 Eradication of . SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) Unemployment 8111 302 1Translation ] lacuna.. On the on hand we claim that our industrial growth is ina"easing and on the SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Mr. other hand un-employment is increasing at Speaker. Sir. In 1980 the number of such the same proportion. There should have people as were either underemployed or been some mntrol over it. but just the op- were not employed at all, was above 16 posit is happening. It means that some crora. There were about 16 million unem- where there are shortcomings in our plan- ployed people registered with Employment ning which ara giving rise to un-employment. Exchanges in 1981 which has risen to 28 Or there are some short-comings in our ntillion in 1986, which shows that inspite of industrial policy and we have not been able all of our programmes and efforts, the num- to set up such sectors wherein people could ber of un-employed persons goes on in- be provided with employment. We have creasing. It is also a fact that of the total given severa' exemptions to the industrial number of unemployed persons, very few houses in the name of modernisation, in the people go to employment exchanges for name of technology up-gradation and by registering their names, because the rural taking advantage of these exemptions, they people neither have this facility nor do they are adopting such methods as are respon- have this much of money that they could go sible for rendering people un-employed to the cities and register their namas. The every year. I would like to urge upon you to unemployment problem in the coutry 1s impose some restridions in this regard. I! gradually becoming a threat to our social, should be mandatory on those who are given political and democratic strudure and the big loans that they should create employ- Government and all of us must find a solution ment potential proportionate to the arr.punt to this problem before it is too late. Otherwise of loan they receive from Government and we all will have to hear the cosequences. H financial institutions and they must not resort the people do not get some sort of employ- to retrenchment. Until you do ti-is. and they ment. it will prove disastrous for the society continue to retrench more and more people as well as for the Government. The Govern- in the name of modernisation. in the name of ment must come forward to tackle the prob- setting up of new technology, I am afraid .. the lem. In this connection, I would like to sug- un-employment problem will beoQma more gest that all the people registered with the acute. According to the Natio.lal Sampte employment exchanges, should be given Survey. 80 percent people in the villages ara un-employment allowance. -It has also baen un-employed. The condition of marginal noticed that those people who are caned for farmers is very deplorable. You must im- interviews are required to attend 10 to 15 prove their condition and give ttMt agriculture interviews because it is very rare that one a right reorientation. Until and unless you can get a job on the first chance. Therefore, bring reforms in the rurallenging system anrl they have to spend a lot of money in attend- strictly enforce the land reform laws. you ing the interviews. I would suggestthat either cannot think of providing employment to the the Central Government or the institution large number of unemployed villagers. I which calls for interviews should bear the would like to submit that Government should expense of candidates attending interviews take initiative in this regard and enforce the on the lines of the Government of Haryana land reform laws strictly. Efforts should be which has issued such orders. Since the made to formulate more and more program- sources with the Government are limited. a mes and policies for the welfare of marginal national fund should be set up for this pur- and small farmers. We spend huge amounts pose and those who can contribute. such as on R.L.E.G.P., N.R.E.P.. I.R.D.P. or the people of private industries. should be TRYSeM and such other programmes. But compelled to contribute to this fund. our objective to provide jobs to un-employad people is not beingf.ttlfilled. The main reason The main reason for unemployment for that is that the machinery entrusted with appears to be that somewhere there is some the responsibility of implementing these 303 Eradication of JULY 31, 1987 Unemployment BIll 304 [She Harish Rawat] clos_ed or are Dn the verge of closure. 1also schemes, is not dedicated to the objectives. want to draw the attention of this august We have to ensure that the machinery work- House towards Bhaily Refractory where ing in the rural areas works with a sense of 1500 labourers are working. When these dedication and see that the loans granted for labourers demanded the right of trade union. this purpose are paid in full to people and are the management of the refractory started properly utilised and the recipients should be retr anching them and when they resorted to able to support their families. There is a strike the management removed the work- scheme to grant bank loans to educated un- ers from service, got them beaten by mus- employed. But the amount given is so small clemen and instituted false police cases that they; cannot make any profrtable use of against them, besides perpetrating many it. It has bean observed that instead of any atrocities on them. Not only this. The Labour sign of improvement, the condition of the Department has also been neglecting them families of such educated un-employed and as a result their problems have aggra- persons is becoming more deplorable. The vated further. Recently. when the man- financial institutions should be asked to agement wanted to declare lock-out the modify their policy of granting loans in such Government granted permission. Similarly. a way that loans become beneficial to people when the management wanted the Govern- both rural and urban. Then only will we be ment permission for declaring the strike ille- able to solve the problem of unemployment. gal, Government granted that permission With these words I support the Bill of Shri readily. And when the workers returned to 8anatwala. work after having suffered all kinds of ha- rassment, the management felt uncomfo- SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD YO- rtable and began throwng them out of jobs GESH (Chatra): Mr: Chairman, Sir, while I with the intention of retrenchment. Today, express my thanks to the hone Minister of the situation is that the factory owners have Labour and the Department of Labour for closed down their factories and one reason bringing such an important Bill, I want to for it is that they want to evade taxes. They draw the attention of the Government to- do not want their black money to be taxed wards the un-employment problem in the which they spent on hiring goondas, or in country which is aggravating day by day. As framing criminal cases or for indulging in several hone Members have drawn attention such other corrupt practices. I want that towards this problem, the way big factories! Government should make an impartial in- establishments are being closed one after quiry into their condud so that the workers another, it is creating the problem of bread are able to get their rights. If the rights of the and butter for the labourers working in them workers continue to get neglected in this and for their families and also for a large manner all our efforts towards better plan- number of other people including shop- ning will get jeopardised. keepers of township areas. This problem is becoming more acute and complicated day The problem of rural unemployment can by day. be solved to a great extent by encouraging cottage, artisan and traditional industries. In the areas predominantly inhabited by adi- I want to draw the attention of this August vasi and harijans like Chota Nagpur, huge House towards Dalmia Nagar Factory where mineral deposits are available and we can 15 to 20 thousands labourers were working. establish many small and large industries Due to the closure of this factory. lakhs of based on the minerals found there. I want to people are faced with the problem of em- submit that traditional industries should be ployment and livelihood. Similarly. 4500 set up in thosa areas, as It will considerably labourers were working in Japla Cement help in solving the problem of unemploy- Factory. Due to closure of 1hat factory lakhs ment. Cane baskets are widely used in the of people have been affected. Not only that. coal mine$ and in other mines. erar.s of A number of factories in Bihar have been baskets are required in the mines. More- 305 Eradication of SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Unemploy~m9nt Bill 306 over, no special skill is required for preparing where the lacuna lias. There ara some Bills such baskets. H the work of weaving cane with notional idea of amending an existing baskets is encouraged it will provide em- law or giving a new legislative idea alto- ploymentto thousands of people and conse- gether. But whenever legislative proposals quently help in removing their unemploy- are to be backed by financial proposals, then ment problem. I want to inform the hone the matter is quite serious. Unless and until Minister that in the coal mines especially, a Mr., Banatwalla shows in a clear and respon- large number of bamboo mats worth crores sible manner how the legislation can be of rupees are required. This work does not effective from all fronts, how the finance ihvolve any special skill. Bamboo mat is an would come, what will be the additional taxa- essential requirement in the mines. Hwe can tion on the common man and all classes of make efforts to encourage this work a large people that will have to be imposed in order number of landless labourers can be gain- to give doles of unemployment, the Bill has fully employed and we will be able to solve no effect. A Bill can be drafted or the process the problem of unemployment i" the rural of thinking can be done. But here more than areas to some extent. the Bill as such, there is the financial aspect of this Bill. And the BiD is lacking in this regard Crores of rupees are spent in buying altogether. material for tools' handles. The rural unem- ployed young carpenters can be employed Hyou go to the clauses of the Bill, you will in large numbers for making handles of see that the substantive aspects of the Bill spades etc. Sim ilarly, there is the work of are left to the rule-making. Hyou see clause carpet weaving. tailoring. etc. The big organ- 7, it provides for making of rules on the rate isations, for example, Bharat Coking Coal. of contmution to the Unemployment Insur- Sindiri, Hatia or such o~i1er large establish- ance Scheme under section 6, the rate of ments need uniforms worth crores of unemployment allowance referred to in rupees. A large number of people can be section 4 and different rates may be pre- gainfully employed if they are provided with scribed on the basis of qualification and tailoring work. skills, the necessary details of the unem- ployment insurance scheme. So, everything Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am very grateful to is to be decided by subsequent rule making you for giving me time to be able to draw power. Therefore, what is the idea of the Government's attention to this issue. mover? How the scheme is going to be adumbrated, how is -the finance going to [Eng/ish] corne, how we are going to eradicate unem- ployment by virtue of such a legislation, is SHAI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): I am not given in this Bill. Therefore, to that extent sure, unemployment is not a new problem. the Bill is incomplete or rather suffers from all This House, in some form or the other, has the implied defects. Secondly, what is re- discussed unemployment a number of quired today is not an effort to give dole or times. It is not that with the introduction of a anything of that sort because this country Bill by Mr. Banatwara or my addressing to the cannot afford, however we may like. 'lie will problem it is going to be solved. The problem not Iik9 an unemployed person to go without is ci a vast magnitude and despite efforts any money in his pocket, we would very from all of us it may still remain unsolved for much like that he sno~ld have something in many years. It is a bitter truth which we his pocketbut presently, 8S per our ec0- cannot side-track. nomic status, this is just not possible for a big country like ours. So, what is to be done is to Whe~ lev~r a Member introduces a Pri- improve our employment system that is ex- vate Member's Bill, the idea behind is to give isting today. For instance, we have put a to the Government a skeleton of a new law or blanket ban on recruitment. I still do not know to amend the existing law and to show as to what is the ration::tle behind it. I have sated it SJJ7 Eradication of JULY 31.1987 UnempIoymllflt sm 308 [She Shantaram HaM] does the House agree that the tim. should; earlier also. Today the system is that every be extended by one hour? department has to apply to the Government to lift that ban on individual cases. If there are SOMe HON. MEMBERS: yes. exceptional circumstances, then the ban is lifted. Tharefore, I would say that we should MR. CHAIRMAN: So. the time is ex .. not have a blanket ban altogether unless tended by ona hour. Now Shri T. Basheer. thera ara very strong reasons in a particular department where the staff is there very 16.00 hr•. much in excess. Secondly, what is required is that in all the employment exchanges of SHRI T. BASHEER (Chirayinkil): Mr. the States and the Union Territories we have Chairman. Sir, I support this Eradication of to see that corruption is minimised. I will not Unemployment Bill brought forward by Shri say that we should ramove all sorts of co!'- G.M. Banatwaffa, in its spirit. The unemploy- ruption existing in all the exchanges be- ment problem is one of the biggest problems cause practically it is difficult to do so. It is in our country. In every session we discuss very simple to make a statement to that so many problems with urgency-the commu- effect. But I would say that whatever corrup- nal situation in thacountry, the voilence and tion is there in the employment exchanges, so on. But Ifeel sometime that we do not give it should be minimised so that every peson importance to this subject of unemployment who is seeking employment knows what is as it deserves. We know the magnitude of his poistion in the register, by what time this problem in our country. Our members of roughly his name is likely to be sent to the the Palnning Commission are now finaliSing concerned department for interview, etc. so the broad parameters of the Eighth Five that people are taken into confidence. Year Plan. So, I hope they will consider this Thirdly, we have got laws on recruitment of problem of unemployment as ona of the all sections or all departments. Today litiga- major central elements in the development tions ara in the courts because our recruit- strategy of the Eighth Pian. ment laws ara with flaws. If recruitment laws are clear, evary man, right from the person I had been a worker in the Youth move- who is seeking a job for a peon up to the man ment of course in the Youth Congress and who is seeking a job in higher grade, knows many wings associated with it. I know the what is the law which will give him employ- feelings of the young-sters in the country, the ment. Then only we can educate our people. educated people and uneducated rural. Then the discontent with respect to that will youth. They are st~gling for their bread. be V8IY much minimum. Therefore. by doing The figures of unempioyment are increasing this, we will be educating people on this in a staggering manner. Our Sixth Plan has aspect of employment. No doubt these are closed with a back-log of 12.3 million edu- short-term things but if we implement these cated unemployed. The number of unem- things. it win mean that we will be taking into ployed people in India at present is more confidence our people who are seeking than 30 million. It is increasing by ha" a employment, who are on the wait list. With million every year. The problem of under- these wordS, I thank you for giving me this employment is also th,tre.1t would not be opportunity to speak on this Bill. wrong to say that we have mass unemploy- ment. Everbody will agree that this mass unemployment is a threat to the harmony of MR. CHAIRMAN: Now the time allotted our country. This mass unemployment canl tothis BiD is over. StiD there are two Members cause disruption in the soio-economic proc- who have expressed their desirato speak on ess of this country. So, the magnitude of the this Bill. Then there is to be intervention by problem is v8r/ clear. the Minister and reply by the mover. So, I think we should extend the time by one hour. I do not ... to take much time of thiS Already we have taken seven hours. So, House. But I would •• to point out if we do 309 Eradication of . SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) U".mploy'!ment Bi. 310 not handte this problem with ~rg.ncy then of Exchanges in one year. The job opportuni- COUI'88 the future of this country will be very ties, I have to say, Sir, are at a ridiculously much bleak. Our young people are very low rate in that State. I would also lik. to say much disturbed. We know many trends in that employment in farm sector in the State the various parts of the country are very haa.. reached a saturation point. So far as disturbing. The unemployment situation Kerala is concerned, the solution is rapid also contributes to such things. industrialisation of the State. So. I would like the Minister to keep this point in mind so far Sir, in this connection, I would like to urge as Kerala is ooncemed. upon the Govemment that in a country like ours, a country which aims at socialistic Sir, in the Bill it is suggested that employ- society, right to work should be made a ment allowance should be given. I can say fundamental right. I would also like to point that the Kerala State is giving unemploy- out that the Government must take the re- ment allowance for the unemployed per- sponsibility of providing at least one job for sons. Similarly, some other States are also one family. I have said that this kind of giving unemployment allowance. In this ·unemployment" can be called ·mass unem- context, I urge upon the Central Govemment ployment". The mass unemployment could to come forward with. a scheme to provide be solved only with the execution of projects unemployment allowance to all the unem- and schemes on a mass scale so that mass ployed persons until they get employment. employment is possible. Sir, we have intro- duced so many schemes like IROP, RLEGP With these words, sir, I join my col- and seH-employment schemes for the edu- leagues in supporting this Bill. cated youth. These schemes help a lot in providing jobs to the rural poor. But these [ Translation] schemes alone will not help solve the prob- lam on a permanent basis. It will help only DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI temporarily to ease the situation but it will not (Khalilabad): Mr. Chairman, Sir, Shri Banat- be a permanent solution. wala has presented a very significant Bill. Sir, about self-employment scheme, I The number of unemployed people is would like to say that poor banking service is constantly increasing in our country. In 1980 a great concern for all of us. You will agree the total number of the people registered with me on this point that to create entrepre- with the employment exchanges was 16.2 neurial spirit among the educated yoiuth it is million which increased to 25.2 million in necessary that there should be cooperation 1985. Thus, unemployment ;s growing at the and assistance from the banking system. rate of 62 per cent annually. Again, hardly 25 The attitude of the banks is not satisfadory or 30 percent of our unemployed people get at all. It is very disappointing. So, the Gov- themselves registered and there are crores emment should take this into consideration of unemployed people who have not en- and take steps to make the bank assistance rolled themselves with the employment and their cooperation available to the unem- exchanges. In this Bill it has been proposed ployed youth of this country. to provide unemployment allowance. I think the steps which the Government has takan Sir, I come from a State where unem- or is taking to remove unemployment have ployment rate is very high. I come from helped in providing employment to a large Kerala State. Sir, in Kerala, the number of number of people. The proposal of giving the educated unemployed persons regis- unemployment dole will be a heavy burden tered in the Employment Exchanges, upto on the govemment exchaquar and it will December 1984 ;s 24,58,000. I would also increase inflation and result in price rise. On like to point out that only 11,500 persons the whole, frustration will be many times we,. able to get job through Employment mora than the reI. provided. Hence,ldonat 311 Eradication of JULY 31, 1987 Unemployment Bill 312 [Or. Chandra Shekhar Tripathij w~rk.rs are employect There are serious support this provision. Instead of solving the power shortages due to which two shifts are problem it will create new problems and the running instead of the regular three shifts or people will have to bear the burnt. one shift is running instead of the regular two shifts. Ther&fore. Government should Regarding the ~easures initiated by the pay attention to the fact that unemployment Government for removing unemployment, is increasing due to power shortages and efforts should be made to remove the short- highest priority should be accorded to gen- comings wherever they occur and make eration of electricity to reduce unemploy- them more useful. So far as the question of ment. increasIng social and economic tension on account of unemployment is concerned, I tt is true that agriculture is a big industry want to submit that as the number of unem- in our country. But the reason of migration of ployed people increases, criminal tenden- rural population to the urban areas which cies will also increase and t"'at is why we induced Shri Banatwala to bring this Bill is should work with the maximum possible that there are more employment opportuni- speed in this regard. In the employment ties in urban areas than rural areas. The programmes of the Government it has been development of urban areas has not taken seen that a definite ratio does not exist place to the desired extent and the facilities between productive and unproductive serv- are not available there to the extent these ices and in the name of social welfare and are available to the urban people. If all these law and order, unprodudive services are facilities are made available there and the being expanded while limiting the scope of people get only a little lower wages than they productive services. are available in urban areas, large scale migration of labour to cities in search of I do not agree with han. Shri Ban'atwala employment will stop. ThiS will help develop- on the point that imported and up-to-date ment in urban areas to the maximum extent technology will increase unemployment. and reduce population burden on cities. This is not !rue because in the international market our products have to be competitive In this connection, I would like to state and economical. Only then will we be able to that the Government should develop mod- sell our products and earn foreign exchange. ern villages and some nodel points be devel- Hence, modern technology is required for oped within 10 Kms or 15 Kms. each which our development and for having a balanced should have all facilities like education, economy and maintaining our industrial medical, small scale imdustries, communi- reputation in the international market. But cation, transport and entertainment Qtc. along with it we should not neglect our cot- Thereby Government can check the migra- tage industries which are essential for pro- tion of population >to cities, and we will not viding employment to crores of people. only be able to solve the problem of unem- ployment but the '1i11ages will also be devel- I think. Government has made all efforts oped. the whole country will be developed. under the 20-point Programme, the Khadi Gramudyog programme and through such The Government has created develop- other schemes to provide employment op- ment authorities and housing boards in portunities to all the people living in the rural small tehsils and distrids and has st::trted areas. other schemes. It will solve the housing In this connection, I want to say that the problem of the people living in rural areas industry whether it is the smafl scale or the and at the same time rnany persons will get large scale sector or the heavy investment employment opportunities. But I want to based industry, all are facing acute powe make a request. We already have so many shortage. Take any industry in which eror. schemes, namely I.R.D.P., N.R.E.P. and have been invested and where thousands of R.L.E.G.P. All these programmes are our ,313 Eradication of SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Unemployement Bill 314 crash programmes. They are meant for the SANGAMA): Sir, I am grateful to Banatwal- benefit of small, poor and unemployed per- laji for having brought forward this Eradica- sons in rural areas. They can get work on tion of Unemplo),ment Bill and he has given, daily wages and better their standard of by this, an opportunity of spending almost living. Sir, these schemes are very good eight hours discussing the problem of unem- schemes and their objectives are to provide ployment on the floor of the House. Unem- train facility, road facility, primary schools, ployment is a very big problem for us, it is a health centres and job opportunities and national problem for us. I have no quarrel at daily earnings to labourers and to constrlJct aU with Banatwallaji at all in this that we dams, godowns for fertiliser and seeds etc. should try to eradicate unemployment from But unfortuntely the funds are being mis- our country. It is the wish of every one of us. used throughout the country. Instead of giv- But where I have difference with Banatwal- ing jobs to labourers on muster roll basis, laji is about the method by which we will be contractors have come in a ig way in these able to eradicate unemployment in ourcoun- schemes and these middleme11 are taking try. away the wages of the labourers and em- ployment of the unemployed. The Govern- The discussion in the House has gone on ment must look into this and ensur£; that the the figure of the unemployed registered with schemes meant for giving employment to the various Employment Exchanges in our the unemployed are utilised properly. country ason 31 st December, 1986-which is 301 lakhs. I want to make it clear in the In this connection, I want to point out one House that, as far as the Government is more thing. Under the self-employment concerned, the figure of the unemployed scheme, the limit of loan has bsen fixed at registered with Employment Exchanges is Rs. 25,OOO/-Just now, it has been stated that not taken to be an authentic figure because the limit has been raised to Rs. 35,000/-, but all those who are registered with Employ- even this is not sufficient for constructing ment Exchanges are not necessarily unem- building, purchasing machinery and making ployed, and this has been proved by a spa.. production. Therefore, I requestthat the limit cial survey conducted by the Government. It should be raised further so that unemployed is because the Employment Exchange reg- graduates would get employment under the isters are reviewed after every three years. seH-employment schem9. Similarly, im- ana within this period of three years so many provement should be made in the working of people get employed. We have also found those institutions which lend money to un- that there are so many students who are in employed persons so that they get loans on the colleges and in the schools who register time. themselves and yet they pursue their stud- ies. Therefore, we don't take the figure of the employment exchange as the authentic fig- In the end, I would like to submit that the ure. We depend on the figure of the Plan problem of unemployment will not be solved Document itself. Now. according to the Plan simply by making laws or speeches. We will Document which is based on the 38th round have to check the increasing population. All of the National Sample Survey Orgar.isa.. the programmes of population control have t.on, the number of unemployed people at proved ineffective. The country is being the end of the Sixth Five Year Plan was 9.2 misled by presenting false reports. The million. During the Seventh Five Year Plan, population control programmes require the ~here will be a net addition of work force to maximum attention and only then will we be the tune of 39.38 million. That make the total able to solve the problem of unemployment. number of unemployed people in our coun- try for the period of Seventh Five Year Plan [English] to 48.58 million, roughly 48 million. The Plan Document provides for the generation of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE employment during the Seventh Five Year MINISTRY OF LABOUR (SHRI P.A. 315 Eradication of JULY 31. 1987 UnemploymentBHI 316 (Sh. P .A. Sangma) SHAt P.A. SANGMA: I do not want to go Plan to the tuna of 40.36 million standard into this detail. persons years. H we achieve that target of 40.36 million standard persons years of ( Interruptions) employment generation by the end of Sev- enth Five Year Plan. we would be left with a MR. CHAIRMAN : No dialogue like this. smaller backlog of the unemployed. So, that Please address the chair. is a position of unemployment in our country. SHRI P.A. SANGMA: I will clarify this. I When we talk of employment in our am just reading all the documents which country 1 it has to be realised that the problem have been published by ILO. The word of unemployment does not confine to a 'unemployment' itseH has different defini- country like India alone. It is a world phe- tions in different countries. nomenon and every country in the world whether developed or the developing coun- For example, our Plan document says try, face this problem of unemployment. that around 48 million people unemployed during the seventh Five Year Plan are those AN HON. MEMBER: What about the people in the age group of five plus-those communist countries? people who are aged five years or more. This is what we have taken. There are countries 'SHAI P.A. SANGMA: Yes, of course. who don't consider people who are ten years China is facing a very big problem of unem- and be:ow to be unemployed because they pbyment. There has been a big article in the are not supposed to be employed at all. magazine. I will not touch that. Some countries take it as ten plus and some other countries take it as fifteen plus. We, for Now if we take the p(oblem of unemploy- our purpose, have taken it as five plus. So, it ment as a percentage to the total labour is not very much comparable. It differs. I am force in the country lour position is not bad. just quoting this figure to give you some idea. It is quite comparable to the rest of the world. But because of the size of the popLilation of I am conceding freely that unemploy- our country, when we come to an absolute ment is one of the biggest problems that the terms, to absolute numbers, it is a very big country is facing today. The formulae which figure. I have a document which is a docu- have been suggested by the Han. Member ment published by ILO, where they have to face this problem are; firstly by granting brought out the unemployment problem all unemployment allowance, secondly to have over the world. I will not cite all the thing. a compulsory insurance scheme and thirdly Spain has the highest rate of unemployment to have an Unemployment Allowance Fund. which is 2~1o to the total labour force. Italy These are the three solutions that the Han. 10.6%, Canada 10.50/0, Denmark 9.2%, Member has suggested in his Bill. I can Japan 2.6%, Philippines 6.10/0 , Australia assure him that all these suggestions have % 8.3%, U.S.A. 7.20/0 1 India 3.04 • Therefore, been thoroughly examined by the Govern- if you take the number of unemployed ment of India. people as a percentage to the population. 16.32 hr•• ( IntBrruptions) SHRI UTTAM RATHOD (Hingoli): One [SHRI SOMNATH RATH in the Chai~ ~ication, Sir. May I know the per capita incDme per annum of the people of alt the As far as the unemployment allowance is countries that you have said as compared to concerned, this question was gone into as India? far back as 1970-73 when the Government 317 Eradication of SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) Unemployement Bill 318 of India appointed a Committee which IS House that the Government do not, and known as Bhagawati Committee. ihe repeat do not, consider it at this stage to be Bhagawati Committee in 1970-73 went into a feasible proposition. this question. I quote the operative part of their Report. They said: The policy of the Governm9nt of India is to invest whatever resources we have got in l'The grant of unemployment allow- productive employment. Our aim should be ance to the unenlployed would call tor to generate employment and utilise what- mobilisation of substantial resources ever small resources that we have within our and also raise very difficult issues country in productive employment and not to such as determination of criteria for spend over Rupees thirteen thousand giving relief, quantum and duration of crores in an unproductive manner by giving such relief, organisational arrange- an unemployment allowance. I do not want ment needed for satisfactory to go into the success or failure of the operation of such a scheme and the scheme as such. Kerala and Maharashtra inflationary pressures likely to be built have the experience. I do not want to make as a result of the implementation of any comment. But there are many countries such a scheme. in the world including developed countries which have gone in for this unemployment This is the finding of the Bhagawati allowance including USA, Australia, Den- Committee which was appointed by the mark, Sweden and U.K. This matter was Government of India in 1970. also discussed this year in ILO conference and their experiences are not happy experi- Mr. Banatwalla in his financial memoran- ences because if a man is given a job he dum has said that if this is accepted, the does not accept that job as he is going to get financial implication will be to the tune of As. money without working. That implication is 100 crores. With utmost respect I beg to there. Therefore, the experienc~ of other differ from the opinion of the Hon. Member. countries who have adopted this scheme is Without co'lceding the number of unem- not a happy experience. This is what I have ployed people as appeared in the employ- been told. I want to make it very clear that I ment exchange, as I have said we don't have not gone into the working cf the accept it, and just fa. argument's sake if you scheme thoroughly. But this is what has take that figure as 301 lakh people whose emerged in discussion in IlO. Of course, I names are registered in the employment did not participated in that discussion my- exchanges as unemployed as 0'1 self. Some of our officers represented us. 31.12.1980, and if you give a lumpsum of Rs. 100 per month to these unemployed people, The second PQint raised by the hen. the total financial implication would be Rs. Member is about unemployment insurance 3612 crores. This is what Mr. Banatwalla has scheme. Even this point was gone into by the proposed. Therefore, it would not be just As. Government of India to see whether it is 100 crores. Nobody is going to accept As. feasible or not. 100 per month, it is very clear. If you think of giving unskilled work and if the cost of pro- SHRI RAM RATAN RAM (Hajipur): Mr. viding a manday of unskilled work is As. 151 Chairman, I want to seek a clarification from - a day for 300 days in a year to all the the hon. Minister. There is a Constitutional unemployed on the registers of Employment provision for the reservation of 'scheduled Exchanges, that is, by taking that figure castes and scheduled tribes. May I have the again as the figure of the unemployed figures as to what is the total percentage of people in our country. the total financial employment amongst the scheduled castes implication would come to Rs. 13545 crores and scheduled tribes? in one year. I must respectfully submit to the 319 Eradication of JULY 31. 1987 Unemployment Bill 320 SHRI P.A. SANGMA: Weill do not think the proposals which have been put forward I have this figure with me because it does not by the hon'bt. Member have been examined directly r.latestothis Bill. The Department of by the Government of India. I want to empha- Personnal and the Ministry of Welfare will be size that at this stage of our economic devel- having this figure. (/ntenuptions) I can col- opment, we do not find it feasible. But I can led the information and supply it to you. only assure the hon'ble Member that the (/ntenvptions) Government is really concerned about this problem. In fad, the whole Seventh Five- Sir. the question of compulsory insur- Year Plan document has been based on the ance was gone into by the Government. The principle of food, work and productivity. question of introducing unemployment in- Prime Minister himself has been talking on surance scheme was considered by the these issues. I would like to remind the working group set-up by the Economic House that on the 1st of May when Prime Administrative Reforms Commission and it Minister addressed the workers at Salem in submitted its report in June 1984. This is Tamil Nadu, he had declared that it will be what they have said: the endeavour of this Government to create more and more employment. In fact he has "Comprehensive unemployment in- given a slogan. "Bekari Hatao· would be one surance has not been found feasible of the slogans of the Government of India. in India's present state of develop- When Government of India is so much con- ment given the magnitude and the cerned about this and so much investment is nature of the problem although this being made to create prodl;Jctive employ- issue cannot be ignored in principle". ment, I would request the hon'ble Member to withdraw this Bill. Thank you, Sir. So this question has been gone into by the Economic Administrative Reforms Commis- SHAI ANADI CHARAN DAS (Jaipur): sion itseH. They have also come out with a Sir, I have an amendment. finding that at this stage of our emnomic development, it is not practicable. MR. CHAIRMAN: Amendment? The third suggestion of the hon'ble SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS: Ves. Member was for the creation of Unemploy- ment Allowance Fund. Even this has been MR. CHAIRMAN: I think it was disposed gone into by the Govemment. Such a pro- of. posal was recently examined by the Ministry of Fnance and a view was taken that the SHAI A'NADI CHARAN DAS: That's dif- proposal would imply levying of an additional ferent. But I want ...... charge or a kind of tax by the Central and State Governments and would involve the MR. CHAIRMAN: Let him reply. issues relating to its form, the level of inci- dence and the class of people, commodities SHRI G. M. SANA TW ALLA (Ponnani) : or economic adivities on which it should be Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am grateful to the levied. Various complex issues, such as, Members who have participated in the di$- administration of the Fund so created, its cussion on the Bill. A very large number has disbursement. monitoring. etc .• would also participated in the discussion. I am very arise. The proposal to constitute the Unem- grateful to them. I am also deeply grateful to ployment Allowance Fund was, therefore, the hon'ble Minister for his very enlightened not favoured. intervention. He has raised several ques- tions and has also assured that the problem That is the report. So, I am just saying this of umemployment is engaging the serious consideration of the Government to emphasize to the hon'ble Memberthat all 321 Eradication of SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Unemployement BiN 322 Sir, indeed a man cannot be allowed to nHies. Today t you shudder at the phenoma- languish in want. This question of unemploy- nal figur8s of unemployment but then be- ment has to receive our most serious atten- cause there is no responsibility upon the tion because of its potentialities for serious Govemment to provide work as a matter of political, social and economic tensions that law or to provide the financial assistance by can ba created. way of allowances, therefore. I must say, we find a kind of laxity in the working of bureauc- Sir, 40 years after Independence what is racy. the position? A fr88 citizen of India does not enjoy the right which even a prisoner enjoys. Sir, we are being told about the paucity of Even a convict in the prison has a right to resources. On the one hand we are being proper food, clothing, shelter and medical told about the paucity of resources and on facilities. Even a prisoner, even a convict has the .other hand we have a shocking phe- that right, but the free citizen does not pos- nomenon of the failure of Government to sess it. He is left to languish in want. That is utilise the full amount of Plan allocation for the state of affairs. You heard that the the purpose. That is the situation which I han.Minister presented to this House so would like to highlight. What commant many difficulties which appear very insur- should I make upon the phenomenal figures mountable but then amidst those difficulties that have baen presented by the Hon. Minis- the misery of the people continues and they ter and the various Members and about the' have to receive out attention. Sir, the pay- excuses of paucity of resources when one ment of unemployment allowance, I must finds that aven Plan allocations for Labour emphasise, will make the Government vig- and Labour Welfare have not been fully ilant in its policies of creation of job opportu- utilised years after years. I may present a few figures over here: Plan Allocation Actual Utilisation 1981 - 82, Rs. 11.50 crores Rs. 6.22 crores 1982 - 83, Rs. 10 crores Rs. 6.61 croras 1983 -84, As. 15 crores Rs. 8.38 crores 1984 - 85, As. 16.50 crores Rs. 13.23 croras 1985 - 86, Rs. 18.30 erores Rs. 14.03 crores This is the state of affairs. We say that we here giving all those figures which are thera ara applying ourselves seriously to the prob- with me, I am only making a point. Sir, I could lem of unemploiment and here we have sea the Hon. Minister a little impatient. I figures that even the Plan allocations are not know, I have the other set of figures ready being fully utilised. And this is what the case with me. Take only the case of approved is. I will come to the other figures also. This outlays and actual expenditure at the Centre is not the case with the Central Government on employment services alone. For aeating only; that is the case with even with the State employment services what is the position Governments also, under whichever politi- with respect to the approved outlays and the cal colour they may be. If we take the total actual expenditure in the case of the Central Plan ,Hocations and Utilisation by the Government? Th1s exactly refers to the du- Cantre, the States and the Union Territories, ation. There too the position is same. again the same trend will be visble. I am not 323 Eradication of JULY 31, 1987 Unemployment 811 324 {She G.M. Banatwalla] mente So that reorientation, for which vari .. In the year 1984-85, approved outlay for ous suggestions have been made during the -employment services was 112 lakhs, course of the discussion - and in my opening whereas the actual expenditure was only remarks also I made that suggestion - should 70.87 lakhs. While 112 lakhs wore kept be taken note of. Take the case of reorien- aside for employment services, the aaual tation of the policies. Of course, before I go utilisation in 1984.. 85 was 70.80 lakhs by the into that, I may say that the hone Minister has Government. pointed out several difficulties in having employment allowance programme or em- In 1985-86, once again, it was 100lakhs ployment insurance programme or creating or one crare and the anticipated expenditure unenlploymentfunds and soon and so forth. was only 52.00 lakhs. Therefore, I would But where there is a will there is away. suggest .. I am not here in a spirt of confron- tation .. that this is a subject where everyone There are several States, like Maharash- is very seriously concerned. tra, Punjab, Gujarat, Karnataka, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, etc wnere, financi~1 assistance My first suggestion would therefore be is provided to the educated unemployed, that at least the plan outlays must be fully registered with the employment exchanges utilised. We must gear up our Departments for more than three or five years. In the case for this particular purpose. of the educated unemployed who are regis- We have contradictions in our policies. tored with the employment exchanges for a W. talk about creating employment opportu- particular number of years and still have not nities and at the same time we have a got employment, we have some scheme or blanket ban on recruitment. There is need to the other in Maharashtra, Punjab, Gujarat, reconsider this blanket ban on recruitment. Karnataka, Rajasthan and Tamil Nadu. Since the discussion has started I have received sever. tetters from varIOus parts of AN HON. MEMBER: Nothing of that sort the country pointing out that appointments is there in Karnataka. are kept in obeyance even though candi- SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: I based my dates are selected for different posts. From remarks on the Government's literature that the last Session till date, I have tieen receiv- I have, but I stand correct. It is based on ing several letters but now I do not want to read them. I have brought them and these literature supplied to us by the Government. are kept in my brief case ovar here. That is Hthe income of a family does not exceed a the situation which needs to be attended to. particular amount and a member of that family is registered with the employment There are various other small points that exchange for a particular number of years, ar8 to be taken care of. For exampfe, we say three or five years, in that case, we have must not insist on postal orders with applica- a scheme in Karala. There is also a scheme tions for services. Here this is the social in West Bengal. In Kerala we have unem- phenomenon, you should at least give as ploym8At assistance scheme for job seekers much refief as is possible. Something should between the age group of 18 years and 40 be done in this regard. years who are registered with employment exchange for more thJln three years, if their need a double strategy. I con- w. am family income does not exceed Rs. 4000 per scious of that and I fra,,~Jy say that we need annum. a double strategy. Only one strategy will not do. We cannot merely do by making the right In Kerats unemployment problem is very to work a legal right without a corresponding high. But look at this Govemment policy: atndegy of reorienting the plan programmes This is just an example which I am quoting and policies for a total strategy offuH employ- from the State that I represent. While un-tm- 325 E~ication. of. SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) Unsmployement BiB 326 ployment IS ve!" high In Kerala, the percent- 17.00 hr•• age of centrallnvastment in Kerala is on the d~lin~ for the past ten years or so. It is very Therefore, the time is not to think of snacking, that here is an area, here is a excuses. Have a beginning somewhere· region where we have very - very high identify some areas, have a phased pro~ percentage of unemployment for various gramme in order to march towards the reasons, which I do not want to mention concept, at least march towards the concept hera, the central investment is on the de- of total employment. Take the sphere of aine. Instead of increasing your central in- educated unemployed. Take the question of vestments in Kerala, we find that over a having at least one member of the entire decade the percentage of central invest- family duly employed. Some criterion can ment in Kerala as compared to total all-India be fixed, and in my Bill t have laid down that investment is persistently, continuously and this can be worked up in the rules: but then obstinately declining. There are the areas the time is now here - the situatiOn is grim: where corrections have to be applied. and the need of the hour is that a step be taken with confidence within, and God over- I may say that we have to take up the head. The necessary corrections have alfo question of our policies in various respects. to be applied in various places. Plan alloca- The performance of the manufacturing in- tions have to be actually and fully utilized, dustries in creating more employment op- and I am sure that with confidence and with portunities and thus easing the unemploy- p~oper re-orientation of our programmes, W8 ment phenomenon is also very dismal and wtll face this problem of unemployment that unsatisfactory. The worst performers are is th,ne in our country. cotton textiles, jute textiles, wood and wooden products and gas and steel. None of Today, the Govemment has come for- these could absorb extra labour at an annual ward with so many problems with respectto rate of mar. than one per cent. So what is the schemes suggested in the BiD. But I am wrong with these industries? We will have to sure that more and mor. consideration will make a study on this and than we should see be given, that they will try to work it out if not to it that the corredives are applied ave, wholly, if not taking up the entire population there. Take the question of small scale in- as such, at least takil'g up certain identified dustries and look at the percentage of spheres and sections of the population employment growth in the industry groups where the problem is very grin, and th.nthe where smaH industries are mostly found. rest in a phased manner. They give us a very sorry state of figures. Government has indeed expressed a Regarding food products, the percent.. serious concern. I also know that the Prime age growt~ is only 7.8 in employment; Minister has given slogans about 'Bekari Cotton textiles, 0.9 per cent; Woollen and Hatao'. But let us not remain content with synthetic textiles, 5.9 per cent; Jute textiles, slogans. The slogans have to be translated 0.4 per cent: Machinery except electricals, into reality. 3.3 per cent; Wood and wooden products, 0.4 per cent and Repairs & Services, 1.9 per With these hopes,l-seek leave of the cent. This is the case with small scale House while thanking aU who have partici- industries where we have put a lot of empha- pated in the Bill - though a few may have sis. Therefore, my suggestion is that these taken a little narrow attitude towards the Bill figures show that our emphasis on the small and have not been very generous with the scale industries has not been strong very idea of raising a discussion. that apart enough. More and greater attention is - and thanking the han. Minister for his needed, so that the small scale industries enlightened intervention, I seek the leave of are in 8 position to meet the question of the House to withdraw the Bill. generation of mort and more employment. 327 Proh. of R.,. Com. Reg. & Sec.JUL Y 31, 1987 Nomenclatures SRI 328 I beg to move for for leave to Nithd:-aw find out the causes of such clashes. The the Bill to provide for eradication of unem- Government after finding out the causes pIoyment from the country. should take firm and immediate steps to check the communal clashes in the country. MR CHAIRMAN: The question is: This has become very urgent in the interest of the unity and integrity of our nation. '1"hat leave be granted to withdraw the Bill to provide for a scheme for Ours is a vast nation. It has its own eradication of unemployment from cultural heritage. It has its own history and the country.· tradition. The, father of our nation has shown the path of peace and non-violence. We The motion was adopted have to follow this path and protect our democracy. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: I withdraw the Bill. Our country has huge national.. re- sources. It has vast area of fertile land. Irrigation facilh. as are abundant and there is 17. 04 hrs. rich storage of ores. These resources have to be exploited to the maximum extent forthe PROHIBITION OF USE OF RELIGIOUS, all round development of the country. Then COMMUNAL, REGIONAL AND SEC- only each citizen can fee' happy about his life TORAL NOMENCLATURES FOR POLITI- and the nation will be a model to the ~rld. CAL PARTIES AND PREVENTION OF Unfortunately this is not happening. On the MISUSE OF RELIGIOUS PLACES BilL. other hand we find communal clashes taking place almost everyday. This should corneto [English] an end. MR. CHAIRMAN: Now Shrimati Basav- In our country there are different kinds of arajeswari. people. The regional differences of our countrv were manipulated and misused by SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI * the Britisher who ultimately managed to rule our country for about three hundred years. (Bellary): I beg to move: During the freedom struggle there was unity in the country in spite of several differences the BUI to prohibit the use of re- -That like language differences, regional differ- ligious communal, regiona' and sec- ences, community differences etc. At the toral names for parties and to political time of freedom, there were different groups prevent the misuse of religious of people who were demanding separate places, be1aken into consideration." nations, like Khalistan, Pakistan and a separate country for the Harijans. We fought [ Translation] two important wars after independence. Victory in these wars once again demon- Mr Chairman • Sir, I have brought this strated our strength of unity to the world. We very important Bill in this august House with have the history of working unitedly for pro- the main objective to check the use of reli- tecting the country and for its progress. In gious, communal, regional and sectoral fact our late Prime Minister Pandit Jawahar- nomenclatures for political parties and to lal Nehru has said that India is a country of prevent the misuse of religious places. unity in diversity. Ours is a socialistic demo- Especially in the present time, when there is cratic republic country. There are several a steep increase in the number of commu- religions. People have the ~readom of ex- nal dashes this Bill assumes greater impor- pression. From Article 25 to 30 there are tance. It has to be discussed thoroughly to provisions for the people to practice their • The Speich was originally delivered in Kannada 329 Proh. 01 Rei. Com. SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) NomenClatures BiR 330 Reg & Sec. own religions but we cannot build the nation to follow the way of life of the majority. This and strengthen it on the basis of religion or has created tension in the minds of the community. Similarly political parties also minorities in our oountry. They have their cannot take shelter under religion, commu- bwn religious instituti~)(ls, which are being nity etc. Religion and politics can never be strengthened day by day. It may be ArIa mixed, if they are mixed the country will be in Samaj or Hindu Maha Sabha, or Jana great danger. Sangh, or Shiv Sena. We have heard the speeches and the argument of these reli- 1f we analyse the reasons for oommunal gious leaders. In fact some of them go to the clashes we arrive at the following important extent of saying that we should get Pakistan causes: back, merged with the Wast Hindustan. This kind of treatment to the minorities cannot be (i) Vested interests; allowed in the larger interest of the country which is the biggest democracy in the world. ( ii) Foreign intereference; It is the duty of majority communities to (iii) Separation and isolation protect their religion and cultural heritagte. among minorities; Ai the same time they cannot ignore the interests of the minorities. They should pra- (iv) Linguistic provinces; ted the interests of the minorities as well. Both majoritY-and minority people shouid (v) Religious orthodox ideas; join hands in protecting the culture of our coun,ry. They should work hard together for (vi) Economic backwardness; the progress of the country. No community can be neglected in a set up like ours. (vii) Hindu chaunaism. I come from a rural area of Hyderabad Karnataka province. There Hindus, Mus- Many po~tical leaders forget their re- lims, Christian and all others join together to sponsibilities and duties. They indulge in so celebrate Muslim . festiv3.ls like Ramjan, many activities just to get votes from the Muharram etc. In a similar way all Muslim people. Atthetimeofelections they take the and Christian brothers will join Hindus in name of religion and give provocative cel~brating Dussehra festival, Mahana- speeches. Thus vested interest create dis- vami, Wagadi festival etc. We find peace turbance in the minds of the people. and amity every where. Peopla belonging to all religious of that area take part. in the Regarding foreign interference with our procession~ of religious fest.ivals. There is country's affairs the press is giving elaborate no room for any kind of communal distur- explanation every day. Some countries poke bance. their noses in our affairs even though they cannot solve their own problems. Some of One cannot come to the conclusion that them are trying to·provote minority commu- only persons born in a major community are nities of our country against our country. intelligent and good. Similarly a person born This kind of misleading attempt by foreign in a so called_'ower community cannot be countries must be condemned and stopped less intelligent. This kind of .Iow and high for ever. status by birth should e:'ld. There are good and lntelligent people in all religious and Some of our religious leaders are also communities. The political leaders should contribUting to the process of foreign inter- find out such people and they should be ference by isolating the minorities. Some of given responsibility of maintaining peaceful them are of the opi.~ionthat only their religion atmOsphere in the society. This should be a should survive. They expect the minorities coordinated effort. It cannot be done by the 331 PrOh. of Rei. Com. JULY 31. 1987 332 Reg. & Sec. ($mt. Basavaraje....q _ the law. There should be provision in the people belonging to only one religion or Representation of Peopl. Act to punish community. those who deliver political speeches in reli- gious place to gain votes. OUr Government We cannot build educational or political should take keen interest in this regard to institutions only on the basis of religion. It curb misuse of religious places and nomen- may be Jamal A Islam. Muslim League or clatures by political parties. An amendment Majtis. These institutions instead of giving should be brought forward in this direction courage to minorities are creating a sense of immediately. fear in their minds. This has mntrbuted to the increase in the number of communal Periodical meetings of the Nationallnt8- clashes. In this 20th century we have seen gration Council are being ·held. Most of the the maximum number of communal Chief Ministers and the hone Home Minister clashes. Thef. were clashes in Bihar, took part in these conferences. They have Gujarat, Meerut, and other places resulting condemned the incidents dusring 1976 in in deaths and huge loss to property. This punjab. Religious places are not to protect tendency has to be curbed. If a communal the criminals and to dump arms and ammu- clash QCalrs at a place then the leaders of nition. Emotions and sentiments for narrow aJl communities should visit place to sort out sectoral affinities tend to blur the enlight- the problem and to spread peace in that ened public opinion and balanced judge- area. This responsibility should not be left ment of the people while deciding the destiny only to those community leaders who took of the nation through elections. Nation's part in the clash. Community living and unity and integrity have to be protected. The brotherhood should be encouraged. This principles of sovereignity, socialism, secu- would create a sense of security among all larism and democracy have to be respected the sections of society. Political leaders and followed. should realise this major responsibility. An religions have the same goal. It may Kamataka is a peace toving State. In be Buddhism, Hinduism, Chr!_stianity or Is- many parts people do not know how does a lam but the essence remains the same. No clash or agitation occur. Even in such a religion is in favour of roberry and terrorism. peaceful State there wer.2O deaths due to All religions have the same objective of communal clashes within a short span of five taking humanity towards bliss. This is like to six months. These deaths occured at different rivers submergir.a in one ocean. Bangalore, Ramanagram and Mysore. This is not only astonishing but also shameful. Many senior leaders like Shri Bahuguna. Some leaders' on the one hand say thet Shri Jyoti Basu have condemned the vio· political leaders are responsible for .such lence which took place at Amritsar. ComMl- clashes and on the other hand they say that tees have been set up anctthey have giwn political leaders should try hard to put an and their reports. The Centre is doing its best10 to such brutal communal killings. However, impress upon the States and Union terrfto. we have to take the lead to find out the ries to take firm steps to check communal causes and to stop such clashes. clashes. In this regard my suggestion is to appoint a peace Committee in each district. This Committee should include mambers of Political parties should not be anowed to all religions. The Committee should find out have nomenclatures in the name of religion. the places which are prone to communal They cannot deliver political speeches at clashes. It should taka the opinions of the worshiping places. Provocative speeches people and stop atl kinds of clashes. 'are the main cause for communal dahes. Hencethe Election Commission shoutd go a My colleague Shri Sanatwala was ...ex- steptorward to ban election speeches from pressing his case about cIashn at Meerut religious places. This has to be done under a few minute. ago. Our country II facing the 333 PlOh. of ReI. Com. SRAVANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) NomenclaturtlS BIB 334 Reg & Sec. problems of illiteracy. unemployment drug democracy, they would be cursing us later. ~diction etc. Women are being exploited. Dowry deaths are taking place and every Our Prime Minister is young in age but day its number is on'the increase. Some of has vast experience. He is making all pos- the blind traditions are forcing many young sible efforts to maintain peace and amity in and innocent girls to take to prostitution. In the country , by following the path of non- fact soma people go to the extent of killing violence shown by Gandhiji, He is serving female children as soon as they are born. the nation day and night. He wants our They want only mal. children to be born. nation to usher into a new era of progress How can our country progress amidst such and prosperity. We have to strengthen his blind beliefs. Therefore, there is greater hands. No one should try to'indulge in dis- responsibility not only on the Government tracting his attention by making some frivo- but also on the religious leaders. Leaders of lous charges against him. atl religions should take up this challenge. Each leader can select one problem. Law Unfortunate communal clashes hap- itseH cannot solve the crisis. People have to pened in Ahmedabad the birth place of cooperate. leaders have to take the respon- Mahatma Gandhi. This should not have sbility of mass awakening. In Kamataka happened. Gandhiji may not be living today there are several religious insti~utions with us. But this soul will be expecting a lot (MUlTS) rendering yeoman service to from us for maintaining peace and brother- humanity. These religious institutions have hood. Yesterday some of our Muslim friends established engineering colleges, Medical were raising the Meerut issue in this House colletes, Teachers Training Colleges etc. In Who are to protect these MusHms brothers? addition to running these educational institu- Our Government and all of us should take tions efficiently to spread education, they up this responsibility. We see and read the also feed lakhs of students free. Religious story of Ramayana. Kaikei sends Rama to institutions' can get the help from the Govt. 14 years of Vanavas. In spite of this: Rama but they should spread education and respects Kaikei like a Goddess. Ther. is a peace in the society. galaxy of characters like Kaushalya, Sumi- tra , Sita ate on one side and Janaka, Younger generation has to be guided Dasaratha, Rama, Bharata on the other proparely. side - each one of them excelling in their virtues of seHlessness, tolerance, sacrifice, 1100 not open their eyes to differences tover and affection. because they caflot see them. Open their eyes to love and not hatred.· This should be These characters should be the model the objetttve of all religions and educational for our citizens. To achieve this goal, al the institutions. In fact it should start from the religious leaders should work together. All mother because mother is the first teacher. religions are the same in the ayes of God. Bas.vanna the greatest ever social re- Science, modernisation and technology former of Kamataka created histoty in the have to be utilised for the weHar. of the 8th Century by breaking all the barriers country. Blind beliefs and traditions should between people. He wiped out the differ- not find any place in our society. Nations ences and spread broptherhood not only in intorest should be our prime concem. I too Karnataka but throughout the country. He have my own religion but I practise it in my conducted inter caste marriages especially hous~. Kindness is the essence of an relig- between Brahmins and Harijans and ions. As Basavanna has said, there is no brought revolution of equality in the society.. religion without Kindness. W. should be kind not only to human beings but also to If we do not I.ad ouryOUIIg8r generation animals, birds and other living beings. Then in • .proper WIll and If we do not pt'Otect our only the society can progress in the path of 335 Proh. 01 Rei. Com. JULY31, 1987 336 Reg. & Sec. [Smt. Basavarajeswarij lim league is also a religious party. The peace and amity and communal clashes will names themselv.. raveal that the parties comato end. are meant tor certain communities or refig ... ions. We have adopted a secular I hope and trust that our hone Minister will constitution and W8 should not recognise look into all the points that I have raised here regional parties. They should be banned. and take immediate steps to stop misuse of religious and communal nomenclatures and We are a secular State, but still we are religious places by political parties. I also tolerating such political parties. If we think of expect more contribution from my col- banning them, many difficulties arise, the leagues on this vital issue. idea is opposEtd vehemently and the reason is that we have become slaves of caste ism Sir, I thank you for giving me 1his oppor- and regionalism. We think that only our reli- tunity and with these words I conclude my gion is good and other religions are not good. speech. W9 always harbour this feeling. We cannot ban such parties till we are having this SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER ~AIN feeling. This is the difficulty before us. (Sarmer) ; Mr. Chairman, Sir. I welcome the Bill moved by Smt. Basavrajeswari providing H we really want to move forward and for banning the use of religious, communal, make our country a country of Mahatma provincial and regional names and checking Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru, we shall the misuse of religious places by the ptllitical have to take some concrete steps. We wiH parties. Our contstitution specifically says have to face the opposition boldly. We will that we shaD have a democratic, socialist have to take these steps to preserve the and secular State. fibre of our constitution. In fact, the communal riots which we are To constitute a secular State. it is very facing today cannot be stopped, till the necessary that the people of all communities political parties shed their religious and and aH religions should respect the religion communal stance. Dispite your best effort, of one another. H we do not show respect the riots will continue to take ~:dC8 in some to all the religions we shall not be able to parts or the other, and r(;,;.glous sentiment, constitute a secular State; not shall we be will continue to be farmed. Therefore, if we able to strengthen it. Therefore, it is neces- want to stop these communal disturbances, sary that C'.=r political set up should not be we will have to take firm steps for banning based on any relipion or Community. If the religious parties which are fundioning as political set up iF basad on religion and political parties and for this the leaders of all communalism, it will be a disregard to our political parties shall have to sittDgether and constitution and that cannot be a secular State. . take some firm steps. Only than can we maintain the unity and integrity of the coun- try and check communal riots. It is necessary in a secular State that poltical parties are not formed on religion Today, different regional parties are and caste and even on regional basis. If a coming into existence in the country. It is my political party is religion basad, region or conviction that these regional parties caste based, it will cost us our unity and cannot maintain national integrity. We can- integrity. There will be a persistent danger not stop the formation of regional poUt;d81 to our unity. We have such political parties parties by law. Therefore, it is neces"r.t in our country and they are conspicious by that in future we should not allow sueft their names.. One is Telugudesam party, parties to come up. We should strengthi\,f which is regional party. Similarly. there is our political set up and be ready to face an; DnMda Munetra Kazhagam. Th. AkaU situation any opposition.' If we fail in th. Party is a religious party and similarly, Mus- effort, the spirit of our Constitution wli 937 · Proh. ot Rill. (;oil'. SHA VANA 9, 1909 (SAKA) NomlJncliltures Bilf 338 . Reg & Ssc. r€celve a great set back. Therefore. I would taking recourse to religion. Political parties urge upon you to give a serious thought to are formed on the basis of religions and this. sects. What does it indicate? Our Constitution provides for a secular State. But It is seen that temples, mosques and our hearts do not accept this. We talk of even the Golden Temple of Am ritsar have secularism. But we must translate this into become the seat of politics and offerings action. Our programmes should show that hpve become sources of income for the we aru "ec!Jlar; we respect all religions. We political parties. We do not have laws to have no objection to whatever belief one prevent these things. It is seen that when practises in ones house. But it should not be spetJChes are made in temples, mosques brought to streets. We are against conver- and gurudwaras, efforts are generally made sion. Today there is exploitation in the name to attract the people of a particular commu- of religion, though there used to be eco- nity and by their speeches, the speakers nomic ex~loitation because of capitalistic create communal feelings in the minds of policies. The poor has no religion. An the those people. In these circumstances, poor have one religion, the religion of pov- national unity and !ntegrity cannot be pre- erty. There is no religion and there is no served. In this connection. you can make society which has no poor and has all the rich legal provisions to see that during election people. time, no political parties are allowed to make speeches in temples and mosques. The Just now, the Unemployment Bill was Central Government should have talks with being discussed. People are facing great all the parties because all the political parties difficulties on this count. Prices have risen. are against communal riots. At the end, I will The basic problem before us is how to request the Government to take concrete eradicate poverty. We have to take our steps to preserve national unity and integ- country towards socialism through our rity. programmes. But we have failed in our endeavour because religion has taken main place in our society. We are using our reli- SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATll gious places, mosques, gurudwaras or (Kopargaon): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to temples for our political gains. We can support the Bill introduced by Smt. Basav- understand their use for teaching purpose. arajeswari. This ;s an important Bill. This is They are meant for teaching humanity, the reason that we are discussing this Bill in fraternity and integrity. All the religions, this House. The whole country is concerned Hinduism, Sikhism, Islam. christianity teach over this issue. Our Prime Minister is also us the lesson of brotherhood. The people worried aboutthis. We talk much of the integ- are being exploited in the name of religion rity and unity but I do nC't see it anywhere. and disruptive forces are baing encouraged Today everbody wants to gain political ends to distintegrate the country. No religion ever by taking recourse to religion and casteism. teaches such things. We are very much But the need of the hour is to keep religion concerned about it. Common people are the away from politics. There are so many worst sufferers of these activities. Today. socialist countires in this world where poli- every person, every party is thinking about tics and religion are not mixed at all. Even themselves only. Nobody is worried about in England politics is not mixed with religion. the poor. It should be considered as to how The Britis,hers ruled our country ior a long effectively the programmes made for the period and sowed the seeds of discord in poor such as 20-p0int programme, IRDP. or the name ot religion. That is the reason why any other such programme can be imple- ~munal riots spread here. We should mented. Religious places are not meant tor ~liink only about our country and its interest. political purposes. They are meant for the Religion and politics should be separated. spiritual upliftment of mankind. But the raIi- ~ut at the tim. of elections 8veryody starts gious places of this country are being UMd 339 PI'Oh. of ReI. Com. JULY S1, 1987 . Nontlinclatures 8171 340 Reg. & StIc. [She BaJasaheb Vikhe Patil] ti8~. The more the regional parties the more for dahumanisation, which is • matter of the communal riots. We should be a little great concern. It is a serious problem. , cautious in this respect. I suppose all agree would suggest that election laws should be that religion should not be combined with amended keeping in view the amendments politics, but ~hen it comes to implementa- made by our late Prime Minister Smt. Indira tion no actioriis·taken in this regard. There is Gandhi in the Constitution to secure secular- a lot of difference between saying and doing. ism and no political party should be allowed Therefore, people are losing faith in this to be formed on the basis of religion and didum. People are fed up with communal sect. Hinduism has four vernas. Islam has riots and disturbances. Through this august two sects, Shia and Sunni, the Christianity House I want to submit that people who are has catholics and Protestants. It means that against communalism and favour social every religion propagates the development reformes, and who want to build a new of mankind. Every person should help in the society based on secularism and humanity upliftment of fellow beings so that thwe is no must join hands and work for the betterment poverty. The means of produdion are con- of the people of India so that our country centrated in the hands of a few people in the emerges as a strong, united and developed country. The rich try their best to instigate nation. Otherwise foreign aided disruptive others to fight with one another. I am at pains and separatist elements will weaken our to say that the people of this country are counrty. We must not fall pray to disruptive drifting away from their aims in the name of powers. dowry or religion. There are many parties which do believe in secularism. They want Mr. Chairma", Sir, I support this Bill and secular India. We a!1 must sit together and ... thank you for giving me time to speak. This pledge for the well being of humanity and is an important Bill. No politicking should be r.'igions. We must not allow human exploi- allowed in any religious place and if some tation. All are humanbeings. There is noth- one Indulges in such activity, he should be iflg to fight on this count. All the religions are punished severely. With these words I con- good. Therefore, I would like that there must clude. be some amendment in the election laws. We have not been able to bring the sched- (English] uled castes and scheduled tribes into the mainstream even after 37 years of Inde- SHRI S.B. SIDNAL (8elgaum): Sir, it is pendence. It is a matter of great shame for us very dih icult to distinguish and separate that when a scheduled caste contests elec- politics and relig:on in this country because tion for general constituency the caste-Hin- the leadership we have inherited since long dus do not vote for him. Similarly, if a Hindu is the same. The scope is limited in the static contests trom predom inentty Muslim inhab- society and the scope is unlimited in the ited areas he is not elected. We should not moving society and even all the religious select candidate on the basis of religion and places have become the centre of political ~e. We shall have to change this concep- activities. Regularly. we are all proceeding tion. The leaders of like minded parties in the same direction. Therefore, politics it should come forward and bring some also made out of religion and other things. If changes tn this thinking. any party deviates from this path as a re- formist party, that party will fail to win the elections and that party will not prosper. That There is mushroom growth of the re- has become a concept of now-a-days poli- gional parties. These parties are constituted tics through-out the country. Every one of us on regionalism and language basis which is wants that we should practise secularism. a very dangerous thing. There are talks of Every one preaches secularism to the whole decentralisation and more powers to the world. Every one of us expects that the States. This win weaken the Centre and others should be secular and that he should encourage communalism and regional par- always practise communal things, more so Dill PtDh. of ReI.I Com. SRAVANA 9,1909 (SAKA) Nomenclatur. Reg & Sec. sectarian things. Ther.fore, it is very difficult 11.00 a.m. to do away with all these things ... 18.01 hr. MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Member will continue his speech on the next occasion. The tok Sabha thsn adjourned till Eleven The House stands adjourned to reas- of the Clock on Monday, August 3, 1987/ semble on Monday, August 3, 1987, at 5ravana 12, 1909 (Saka). P. intecJ at: S. Narayan & Sons. DeIhi-11 0006. 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